Today, Dan and Jordan take a much needed break from Alex Jones to try to recapture some of the magic of talking about space weirdos a little. In this installment, the gents learn that a long-dead celebrity may still be alive and discover a new way to power your home.
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I have great respect for knowledge fight. | |
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Dan and Jordan. | |
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Andy in Kansas. | |
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| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
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| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| How do you feel about steroids in baseball? | ||
| Do you think they should be in the Hall of Fame? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't really have a strong position on that. | ||
| I think on a human level, I don't like people using steroids in competition, but I also have no... | ||
| You don't have a rooting interest in that. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I think it's up to the people who are in charge of the hall, let's say, or the MLB or whatever. | ||
| If they want to allow people to juice, then... | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| I mean, I think it's bad. | ||
| I think you'd end up with people, like, you know, you'd end up with a lot of people really severely harmed by that. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| I think it's not a good thing to do. | ||
| But if it's, you know, are you going to let them in the hall or not? | ||
| That's up to you guys. | ||
| Ah, fair. | ||
| How about the Astros sign-stealing scandal? | ||
| Are you paying attention to that? | ||
| We talked about this already. | ||
| Have we? | ||
| Yeah, and my response was, I don't know anything about that. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Well, it's continuing on, is my... | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| It's never ending. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| More and more people are calling for the series to be taken away. | ||
| Jeez. | ||
| Rob Manfred. | ||
| The commissioner is calling the trophy, which has his name on it, a little piece of metal. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Yeah, that does sound pretty shitty. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't really have any strong feelings about that. | ||
| I'm torn because my sort of chaotic side is like, let him cheat. | ||
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There is a part of me that's like, fuck sportsmanship. | |
| If you're crafty enough to get away with cheating, go for it. | ||
| But then the other part of me knows that that's no way for... | ||
| Like, it sets a bad precedent. | ||
| Like the cyclists with motors on their bikes for the Tour de France? | ||
| That would probably... | ||
| That might be too far. | ||
| That does have a very serious effect on the purity of the turf, as they say. | ||
| So yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think if it were up to me, if I were in charge... | ||
| Yes, that's a good question. | ||
| I would not allow it. | ||
| You wouldn't allow it. | ||
| But I will never be in that position where I'll have any impact on that. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| So I don't really have a strong feeling. | ||
| Cut to the world being stranger in 30 years and you're the commissioner of MLB. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, that would be insane. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| I could see it happening. | ||
| Give me a plausible series of events that would lead to you there. | ||
| I apply. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| On LinkedIn. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Monster.com. | ||
| ZipRecruiter, I think. | ||
| Oh, that's the new one? | ||
| I think they're looking for ZipRecruiter, yeah. | ||
| No, it probably won't happen. | ||
| I do not know much about this stuff, but Jordan, I do know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, and I know a lot about the former and nothing about the latter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So today, Jordan, what I thought we would do here on this here Wednesday episode is I think that our last episode was a little too much. | ||
| A little murdery? | ||
| A lot of murder. | ||
| A lot of Alex calling for that Cambridge professor to kill herself. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He needs to go on timeout. | ||
| We've kind of turned into a preemptive true crime podcast. | ||
| It does feel that way. | ||
| We're watching true crime happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, the present day has so much stuff going on in it that you feel like it's really felt like you need to keep up with what Alex is doing. | ||
| And I still do believe that. | ||
| I need to put him in timeout. | ||
| Yes, please. | ||
| So we need to... | ||
| We need to take an excursion off into something completely different. | ||
| Good. | ||
| And, you know, it could have been a Bill Cooper episode, but I almost feel like that's too close. | ||
| I'm waiting for you to be like, and John Wayne Gacy was on Bill Cooper's show, so let's talk about that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That seems too close. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I wanted to even go far afield of that, and so I've got something fun. | ||
| I think. | ||
| Good. | ||
| To go over. | ||
| But before we get down to that, Jordan, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| So first, Abby, thank you so much. | ||
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| Just Hal won? | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level, and we appreciate that very much. | ||
| So John with no H, P, John P, you are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Jeffrey, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, John P., and thank you so much, Jeffrey. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much to the both of you. | ||
| And also thank you to Hal. | ||
| I forgot to say thank you. | ||
| Oh, yeah, very rude of you. | ||
| Yeah, it was very rude. | ||
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| It would be lovely. | ||
| So, Jordan, back in 2017... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When we were young. | ||
| Well, you know, that's when we... | ||
| I mean, we started the podcast in January of 2017. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then a little ways down the road, we started doing Project Camelot episodes because I wanted to tell you about the wonderful world of Wacky Space. | ||
| It was a wonderful, wonderful world for a short period of time. | ||
| Along the way... | ||
| It has become less fun. | ||
| It has become less fun. | ||
| As we learn more things about the sorts of people that hang around and get interviewed by Carrie Cassidy and some of the opinions that Carrie may herself hold. | ||
| Scratch a scammer and it turns out they hate Jews. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| And maybe not hate, but have weird feelings about. | ||
| Maybe hate. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It became less fun, and it's become a thing where I want to do more space weirdo episodes in Project Camelot, but also it only makes sense really when Mark Richards comes around, who is a guy who's a murderer, and he is a space captain who has a... | ||
| A living spaceship in Minerva that flies around with and raptors will kill you for chocolate. | ||
| And they like antiquing. | ||
| Occasionally he has a lieutenant in jail with him. | ||
| Who might be his cellmate. | ||
| Yes, but he's never mentioned again. | ||
| Brought up once and then disappeared. | ||
| So I was thinking about it and when we started this it was in 2017 also. | ||
| That was when we first had our Project Camelot thing. | ||
| And it was not a Mark Richards episode. | ||
| That was our second episode. | ||
| The first one was about Randy Kramer. | ||
| Who is a super soldier, allegedly, who has access to holographic medbeds that will regenerate you and what have you. | ||
| And I started to think about it. | ||
| I was like, why did we do that? | ||
| It couldn't have just been that I thought something was weird about space and I wanted to tell you about it, even though there is some element. | ||
| That wasn't what precipitated that. | ||
| That wasn't what prompted it. | ||
| What was Randy Kramer in specific there for? | ||
| Here's what I want to tell you. | ||
| I remembered that the reason that we did that episode in the first place was that Alex Jones had an interview with a guy named Robert David Steele. | ||
| Who had come on his show and said that kids are being kidnapped and taken to Mars bases. | ||
| Yes, that's true! | ||
| And it caused a severe backlash for Alex with everyone being like, you think there's Mars bases? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I never said that! | ||
| So here is that clip from Alex's show back in 2017 where Robert David Steele came on and was talking about how kids are being kidnapped and taken to space. | ||
| Let me see what Robert David Steele has to say. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| No, I agree with that. | ||
| And let me just point out... | ||
| Let me just point out that pedophilia does not stop with sodomizing children. | ||
| It goes straight into terrorizing them to adrenalize their blood and then murdering them. | ||
| It also includes murdering them so that they can have their bone marrow harvested as well as body parts. | ||
| Pedophilia is much bigger. | ||
| This is the original growth hormone. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's an anti-aging thing. | ||
| And this may strike your listeners as way out, but we actually believe that there is a colony on Mars that is populated by children who were kidnapped and sent into space on a 20-year ride. | ||
| So that once they get to Mars, they have no alternative but to be slaves on the Mars colony. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| Look, I know 90% of the NASA missions are secret, and I've been told by high-level NASA engineers. | ||
| You have no idea. | ||
| There's so much stuff going on. | ||
| But then it goes off into all that. | ||
| I mean, that's the kind of thing the media jumps on. | ||
| But I know this. | ||
| We see a bunch of mechanical wreckage on Mars. | ||
| And people say, oh, look, it looks like mechanics. | ||
| They go, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Clearly, they don't want us looking into what's happening. | ||
| Every time probes go over, they turn them off. | ||
| Alex, you're one of the most original guys on the air. | ||
| And you asked, what should you do? | ||
| I think you should be the truth channel in America. | ||
| There was a real lack of any kind of pushing back or anything. | ||
| Alex was like, hey man, look, often these theories go into this sort of thing, but hey man, everything's secret and they're doing crazy shit. | ||
| 90% of NASA's missions are secret. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| What Alex's response was to Robert David Steele saying that kids are being kidnapped and taken to Mars bases was like... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| It wasn't like, show your work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex deserved all of the criticism that he got for that. | ||
| And that is what precipitated us to go down the road of looking at Project Camelot to begin with. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, recently, Carrie got interviewed by Robert David Steele. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Within the last week or two, I believe. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty recent. | ||
| And so I decided, why not? | ||
| If we... | ||
| Have this lack of joy in going through these Project Camelot episodes. | ||
| Why not see if we can recapture some of the magic by going back to the beginning? | ||
| Let's flip it around. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| To move forward, you must go back. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Start at the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, Robert David Steele has his own YouTube channel that he's putting up videos on. | ||
| And spoiler alert, the interview that he did after this one. | ||
| The most recent interview, when I just checked, was with Jim Fetzer. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| The Holocaust denier who wrote the book No One Died at Sandy Hook, that he just lost a lawsuit over. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| So he has some pretty good ability to pick out the guests. | ||
| We can't all be heroes, dude. | ||
| So I wanted to go over this, and there's some stuff that might be a little bit meh, but there's a couple things in here that I found to be like... | ||
| This is what I'm looking for. | ||
| This is the Project Camelot stuff that I've been missing. | ||
| So we'll get to that as we go along. | ||
| But Robert David Steele opens this up by just giving Carrie a glowing intro. | ||
| Carrie Cassidy, several years ago, I started reading in the extraterrestrial paranormal nonfiction. | ||
| Excuse me? | ||
| And I also started researching online, and your website, Project Camelot, immediately popped up as one of the top websites in the world. | ||
| And I remember getting in touch with you, and I remember us having conversations over time. | ||
| I've been just tremendously impressed by what you have accomplished and what you're trying to communicate to people. | ||
| So please tell us a little bit about just how you got started very, very briefly, and then talk about some of your classics that are available on your website. | ||
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Some of the classics. | |
| People have introduced Mandela with less glowing reviews. | ||
| I bet Robert David Stewart would. | ||
| This guy's a communist. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Classics like Mark Richards is 13 or so. | ||
| 13? | ||
| No, probably 11. Oh, man. | ||
| But he's been interviewed a lot. | ||
| Eddie Page being a racist alien. | ||
| Classics. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That one's in the top five. | ||
| Guy with telescope. | ||
| Classics. | ||
| So, anyway, Gary gets into talking about some of the big hits from the past, and I have some thoughts about a couple of them. | ||
| We were very lucky. | ||
| In other words, we not only were approached by top witnesses and people of that nature, but we also went seeking the very top people, and for some reason, we were able to get through to them. | ||
| quickly and easily and in the first year we must have talked to some of the best people that ever have come out on this topic. | ||
| Or people who said that they were the best sources on this topic. | ||
| It's kind of indistinguishable at a certain point. | ||
| Dan, at some point, you've got to give people your trust, Dan. | ||
| You've got to open yourself up. | ||
| To trusting people. | ||
| I agree with you in theory, but this isn't going to be the time. | ||
| So we get into some specifics, and one of them is a name that we haven't talked about, but actually it's someone with a fairly interesting bit of backstory. | ||
| We've got a very long segmented interview with myself, my former partner Bill Ryan, and David Wilcock, all interviewing one person, Dr. Pete Peterson, who has since passed away as of about a year ago. | ||
| But he was a sort of a Dr. Strangelove in the secret space program and very instrumental behind the scenes. | ||
| Also involved in the creation of what you call super soldiers today. | ||
| So those are a few. | ||
| Captain Mark Richards came much later in our Camelot history, but he's also one of the top witnesses. | ||
| Sure he is. | ||
| So he's a Dr. Strange. | ||
| So Dr. Pete Peterson was also a Nazi. | ||
| Please define your terms. | ||
| You can't just call someone a Dr. Strangelove. | ||
| He's a Nazi, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So, Pete Peterson is a bit of an old school name in the paranormal conspiracy type worlds. | ||
| Not super old school. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, we're in 2020 now, so it's a ways back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think the Project Camelot interview was like 2009 or something, so it's a decade old. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm going to call that old school. | ||
| Old enough. | ||
| Maybe not 1950s, 1970s alien guy, but anyway. | ||
| He's made a whole ton of claims over the course of his career, a bit of it having to do with his alleged former employment when he was reverse engineering alien technology. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Interestingly, I was looking into him a little bit, and I was able to find a message board thread from September 2017 on Project Avalon, which is the website that carries former partner Bill Ryan. | ||
| He's been running since he made a split with Camelot. | ||
| Okay, so now they're just two different projects. | ||
| Yes, they parted ways. | ||
| He might have been running Project Avalon prior to that too, but it's like his space. | ||
| And I'll be honest, I don't know a fucking ton about Bill Ryan. | ||
| I've tried to watch some of the interviews that he does, and I find them incredible. | ||
| Incredibly boring. | ||
| Like most of this stuff is, quite honestly. | ||
| But there are a few things that make me think, like, alright, this guy is not great, but at least he's not the worst. | ||
| Because he doesn't believe the Mark Richard stuff. | ||
| That's a low bar. | ||
| I found this thread, and it shows a little bit of character, at least. | ||
| So here's the first line that sticks out to me in this thread, in this post. | ||
| Quote, there's strong reason to believe that Peterson was lying knowingly or confabulating when he told David Wilcock about the presence of armed police, how his belongings, including his truck, were being seized and much of it was being bulldozed into a pit. | ||
| So, as it turns out, Jordan... | ||
| This guy's house, Pete Peterson's house, was being foreclosed on. | ||
| And that story ended up getting told as a secret government attack on him for spilling truths or something. | ||
| In reality, it appears that he was basically a hoarder. | ||
| And when his house ended up getting taken care of, they ended up finding three dead cats inside in just like a complete chaos, toxic environment. | ||
| So that should give you some idea of what was going on. | ||
| This is not the situation where there's a secret government bulldozing order with armed guards. | ||
| Trying to keep Pete Peterson away from his house. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| He wasn't even living in that house at the time. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's all very complicated and wild. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So that main post that I was reading to you from on this message board, it was written by Bill Ryan. | ||
| It's not just some user on the board saying it. | ||
| It's Carrie's former partner. | ||
| He goes on to say, Put simply, this post is basically Bill Ryan saying that their interview with this guy was bullshit. | ||
| He says, quote, we did not see documentation, his DD214, any devices which he had or had made, never saw his laboratory, and never even visited his house at the time. | ||
| We did, and this is in capital, this word is in capital letters. | ||
| A great job. | ||
| No due diligence. | ||
| I saw that going a different way. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's even reason to question his educational credentials. | ||
| So apparently some folks who looked into the college that Peterson claimed to have a degree from found that it's a degree mill that likely wasn't even in existence at the time when he was supposed to have been in school. | ||
| So he didn't even get his fake degree? | ||
| It's unclear. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm taking a little bit of this from the patchwork investigation that these people on the message board have done. | ||
| Because I don't really care all that much. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| It speaks volumes that Bill Ryan made a follow-up post. | ||
| After a bunch of people had shown even more reason to doubt Pete Peterson's story, and Bill said, Uh, man, I don't like how you need each day passing. | ||
| I feel like you didn't need the day, so you could have just... | ||
| Yeah, maybe an hour. | ||
| Maybe an hour is what it takes. | ||
| Suffice it to say that this was a situation where it appears that Peterson was not a mentally well person who was elevated and used to validate space weirdo theories based on things he was just making up, which seems like a pattern with these people. | ||
| Seems like there's a lot of these folks that we end up running into. | ||
| So you're saying they took advantage of a guy who had mental issues in order to support their own narratives and continue their own grips? | ||
| It seems like that is a very high possibility. | ||
| That's so out of character for them. | ||
| As it turns out, Peterson's main booster was David Wilcock, who is a top-to-your-space weirdo con man who believes himself to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. | ||
| And he's too prolific of a dude to get into as a side note on this episode. | ||
| One day we'll eventually actually do an episode about David Wilcock, but he's so prolifically... | ||
| He's done so much. | ||
| There's so many speeches to try and figure out, all right, which one should we cover? | ||
| He's just too... | ||
| He's ubiquitous. | ||
| And he's like a buckshot. | ||
| It's all over the place. | ||
| There's so much to it that I would have such a hard time sitting down and figuring out, all right, here's what's important. | ||
| I imagine it will still only take me about an hour to disbelieve anything. | ||
| No, maybe like a minute. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it very much seems to me, from what I've been able to suss out, it seems like David Wilcock was using Peterson. | ||
| And an article that I found on a website called Bended Reality really reinforced this feeling. | ||
| This article is from December 21st, 2019, which is a little bit after Peterson had died. | ||
| Apparently, after Pete passed away, David Wilcock did an interview where he was claiming that Pete had given a deathbed confession, where he was getting ready to come forward about, quote, his experiences visiting 60 to 65 different off-planet locations, among with other sensational tales. | ||
| So close to giving that deathbed confession. | ||
| So close. | ||
| So close. | ||
| So, the thing I want to point out here is, like, some of these space weirdos, like, some of it's fun and dumb. | ||
| But some of these people are really fucking shady. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| They'll profit off you as long as you're useful to the grift and their industry, but then when you die, they'll try to profit off you after. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What, are you going to stop trying to profit off the golden goose? | ||
| It just really bums you out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a real bummer. | ||
| If the golden goose dies, you just sell tickets to see the dead goose, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| So Carrie has this interview that they did with Pete Peterson. | ||
| I was like, this was a grand thing that we did. | ||
| And then another one is Mark Richards. | ||
| Like, your list is not great. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So Robert David Steele gets down to talking about, like, what the topics he wants to cover are. | ||
| There are four quick things I want to ask you about. | ||
| The whole human trafficking thing, the bases on Mars and elsewhere, the kinds of spaceships that we seem to have had for the last 20 years. | ||
| I think the President's secret Space Force is actually a way of justifying, legitimizing a force that has always existed without congressional approval. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Which is why I think Donald Rumsfeld did not lose $2.1 trillion. | ||
| It was spent on the secret Space Force and underground bases. | ||
| And then I want to end up by asking you about super soldiers. | ||
| So let's take these one at a time, very brief, the Carrie Cassidy understanding. | ||
| I want to give Robert David Steele a tiny bit of kudos. | ||
| And that is, again, in terms of the interview styles that I end up seeing. | ||
| He's all business. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| He is at least, like, he's, you'll see, I don't know if you'll be able to tell just because these are clips as opposed to, like, listening to the whole interview, but he does try and stay on focus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is something I... | ||
| I find novel. | ||
| Yeah, I can't remember the last topic. | ||
| Is he going to stick to these four topics? | ||
| Yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| Okay, see, now this is wild because Alex usually will give you a list of topics and then never touch on any of them. | ||
| It almost feels like this dude has notes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, here are the bullet points. | ||
| He's got bullet points! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So it's faint praise, though, because I also think he's a little bit nutty. | ||
| You know, I mean, it would be, you know, it's faint praise to say that... | ||
| That Donald Trump could write a hamburger essay, for instance. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He couldn't, but it would be faint praise if he could. | ||
| The thing that I find is like, okay, so these four topics are going to be like, those are all like right where Carrie can hit a dinger out of the park. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But like the... | ||
| When you have like, okay, I think that Trump is making this space force in order to legitimize the secret space program. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| That's a good angle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, that is one possibility. | ||
| Another possibility is he wants space wars. | ||
| Yes, that is also possible. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| The behavior is indistinguishable. | ||
| Someone doing something completely loony and someone legitimizing the secret space program. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very similar in terms of external appearances. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| That's tough to me, even. | ||
| It's hard to parse whenever all things are possible, I guess. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Chaotic evil can manifest in many different ways. | ||
| And that's why you have to take things with external context. | ||
| In issues like that, I can't tell you why Trump is doing that. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But if they're going to make that argument... | ||
| Then I will rely on other things that are said in order to help me deduce whether or not I should trust what they're saying. | ||
| You should be listening to what is unsaid, Dan. | ||
| It's like jazz? | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| It's the notes you don't play, buddy. | ||
| So they're talking about aliens abducting people. | ||
| Right? | ||
| From Earth? | ||
| Sure, yes. | ||
| By the way, so much happier to be talking about aliens. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So much happier. | ||
| I need a break from Alex. | ||
| So they're talking about the, you know, and I'm not here to be Mr. Squaresville and say that no one gets abducted by aliens. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| That's not my business. | ||
| That would be lame. | ||
| That would be lame. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I do think the scale that they're talking about here, pay attention to, like, what... | ||
| You think it might be noticeable? | ||
| I think what Carrie is saying is impossible. | ||
| What's your understanding of the degree to which human beings are traded as a food source and as a chemical high source? | ||
| The degree is very high. | ||
| Are you talking about a percentage of humans that are taken off planet, etc.? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're missing 8 million people a year. | ||
| What? | ||
| Is it in that range? | ||
| I would say it's around 20%. | ||
| It could be higher than that. | ||
| One in five conservative estimate. | ||
| One in five people have been abducted or are abducted or are being abducted as we speak. | ||
| They are specifically talking about a food source, so I don't think they're coming back. | ||
| I would doubt it. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| Or so aliens can get high off their blood. | ||
| I don't think they're going to be like, hey, you do five years as a hallucinogenic blood source, and then we'll bring you back. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| Everybody goes about their business. | ||
| It's not like a year abroad or whatever. | ||
| You just come back with stories about your time in London. | ||
| I feel like I'm in a 101 class where the professor's like, look to your left, look to your right in front of you and back. | ||
| One of the five of you will be abducted before the end of this class. | ||
| One of you will be food. | ||
| That seems tough. | ||
| It does seem high, yeah. | ||
| Because, you know, Robert David Steele is saying, like, there's 8 million people that go missing. | ||
| Like, 8 million is way lower than 20% of the world. | ||
| Yeah, what's that, 1.5 billion? | ||
| I'm not entirely sure, because if it was 20%, those people are probably not on the census. | ||
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Or, like, they're not included in the population of the Earth. | |
| So you'd have to assume... | ||
| So now we don't even know how many people there are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it should be 20% more. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This, to me, seems tough. | ||
| And this indicates either just an inability to estimate. | ||
| 20% of the entire population. | ||
| Or she actually believes there's a billion people that are being taken. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does that mean that our memories are being wiped so we don't remember any of these people? | ||
| I assume. | ||
| Because in this aspect, there's no way that it would not affect each and every person on the planet in some way. | ||
| Well, I mean, assuming you know five people. | ||
| I mean, even assuming you know one person who knows another person who knows another person, like, there's no way not to be affected by the six degrees of Kevin Bacon's abduction. | ||
| I don't believe stories of friends of friends. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| I don't believe any of it. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| That's because they've been abducted. | ||
| Probably. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, I obviously think this number's a little high. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I also think these people might be a little high. | ||
| So what do you think? | ||
| 10%? | ||
| 12%? | ||
| Some of those who are out there? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's reasonable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| 20? | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Ridiculous! | ||
| Gary justifies this number by pointing to, like, how this could happen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're talking about also during wartime. | ||
| This is a perfect, war is a perfect cover in which, according to Mark Richards, the reptilians can come in through the portals in the Middle East and abduct large numbers of humans to be used as slaves and for these other purposes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| It's pretty fascinating. | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| I guess that's one way to not have to emotionally wrestle with the fact that humans do wars against each other. | ||
| Because that's pretty hard. | ||
| That's tough to deal with. | ||
| It really is difficult to explain when you get down to it, right? | ||
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Sure. | |
| And the feelings of culpability that you would naturally maybe have to deal with about the things that your country's foreign policy is involved in. | ||
| That's hard. | ||
| So instead, aliens are coming through Stargates and snatching up a billion people. | ||
| I still, I don't know which one's worse. | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| I think on the whole, we might be better off with the wars, I guess. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| There'd be fewer casualties. | ||
| But, assuming that the alien one isn't real. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| It is better to believe that one. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| It feels better. | ||
| That does feel a lot better. | ||
| Right, because it's not real. | ||
| We're all united against a unified enemy, Dan. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Just somebody doesn't. | ||
| Some people don't know it. | ||
| Yeah, we should be. | ||
| But a lot of people have the scales over their eyes. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| So you got Carrie saying war is probably how it's done. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| All these wars are just the aliens snatching people. | ||
| Robert David Steele has another possibility. | ||
| I've been very interested in the illegal alien issue ever since 2002 when I predicted that there would be a mass migration into Europe. | ||
| And I realize as you're speaking that there's no way of tallying up the number of refugees that leave the Middle East and the number that arrive in Europe. | ||
| There's a delta in there. | ||
| Ah. | ||
| So you see, people leave a country, try and migrate somewhere. | ||
| We don't know how many people left, how many people arrived. | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| Aliens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Aliens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Snatch. | ||
| I don't accept his premise. | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe we can't get an exact tally, but people who are good at estimating things might assume that it's fewer than 1.5 billion who are migrating. | ||
| But it's also probably more comfortable to assume it's aliens snatching people up than people die trying to flee countries. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's probably much easier to play around with alien ideas than to recognize, like, Some people end up completely displaced. | ||
| They end up in a place that they didn't intend to go to. | ||
| There's some crazy circumstance. | ||
| Someone kidnaps them and human traffics them along the way. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Those things do happen, and they're terrifying. | ||
| There's only one type of... | ||
| Fake aliens. | ||
| Only one type of refugee, and that's a space refugee, Dan. | ||
| Everybody else is kidnapped or abducted or is an alien, I guess. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| So this, I guess... | ||
| Steel, I guess, is just sort of like, that's good enough for this topic. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| Let's move on to Mars bases. | ||
| Put a check mark there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here we get into the bases. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And remember, Robert David Steele, three years ago... | ||
| Was on Alex's show saying that he believes that Mars, there's bases, and they're taking kids there. | ||
| Enslaved children. | ||
| Where do you think, based on all the witnesses you've talked to, that we have bases? | ||
| Actual bases with small cities and fully functional, you know, whatever. | ||
| Alright, well, as far as I'm concerned, we have bases on the moon and Mars. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Multiple witnesses. | ||
| I mean, this is very, very common knowledge at this point. | ||
| Two or three at least. | ||
| Everyone knows. | ||
| Two or three at least. | ||
| Everyone knows. | ||
| Multiple witnesses. | ||
| Common knowledge. | ||
| We've got moon and Mars bases. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Also the moons of Saturn and Jupiter. | ||
| We've been terraforming those. | ||
| Which moons? | ||
| So I'm not sure how far along we are, but apparently that's quite a substantial colony or colonies. | ||
| And then also off-planet, not only off-planet, but out of the solar system. | ||
| Going interstellar, in essence. | ||
| According to Mark, for example, the raptors have taken around 200,000 humans that are on a planet that is much farther away from our solar system. | ||
| There are many, many Earth-like planets, even conventional scientists will admit. | ||
| And those Earth-like planets out in the multiple solar systems out there are where humans would be taken. | ||
| I find that fascinating. | ||
| He's fascinated. | ||
| He finds a lot of things fascinating. | ||
| I'm sensing that he has a very standard response. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say that if I'm recalling things correctly, Mark Richards is friends with the Raptors and they're supposed to be the good guys, but now they've kidnapped 200,000 people and taken them to some sort of a... | ||
| They all worked for Hershey's, Dan. | ||
| They were all carrying chocolate at the same time. | ||
| What's the population of Hershey, Pennsylvania? | ||
| Ooh, that's a good question. | ||
| It's 200,000 less than it should be. | ||
| Solved the case. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I think that that makes them bad guys. | ||
| I'm not into an alien group. | ||
| You are coming over to my side. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if I was ever opposed to it. | ||
| I just try and stay neutral. | ||
| You can't stay neutral in the raptor-reptilian battle. | ||
| I take information as it comes to me. | ||
| And Carrie is a raptor sympathizer. | ||
| And even she... | ||
| It's saying that they've taken 200,000 people to some weirdo alternate Earth planet. | ||
| And to me, I find that troubling. | ||
| It does seem like even in the fake reality, these guys are always on the side of the bad guy. | ||
| It does seem that way. | ||
| So that's enough for bases, because we've established it's common knowledge. | ||
| There's bases all over the place. | ||
| And so now we get into the super-soldier question. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Now, what about super-soldiers? | ||
| I've read about anti-aging. | ||
| I've read about age reversion. | ||
| So tell me about your sense of the technologies that have been used to create super-soldiers, not only in the outer space context, but here on Earth. | ||
| Okay, well, we're talking about transhumanism in that case, and this is something that they are doing and have been doing since my understanding is the Duncan O 'Finian was the first model super soldier in which he was enhanced, also had additional psychic abilities and powers, and making use of what we call orgone. | ||
| It's also called Kundalini in the East. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| Duncan O 'Finian is someone that Carrie and Project Camelot interviewed a while back, and you can find a bunch of people who have dug into him and been like, this is all bullshit. | ||
| No, come on! | ||
| He's got psychic ability! | ||
| According to Carrie, he's the first super soldier. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| She was able to talk to the first one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I still think it's Kurt Russell, but okay. | ||
| So you got this guy. | ||
| He's been augmented. | ||
| It's transhumanism. | ||
| None of this is very specific. | ||
| It's all very just like saying words. | ||
| Yeah, well, he has other psychic abilities as well. | ||
| I'm not sure what they are. | ||
| It seems like any and all psychic abilities would be something I would list to. | ||
| You know what's really fucked up? | ||
| In his Project Camelot interview, I was listening to it, and he's like, 10 years from now, there will be a podcast that makes fun of me. | ||
| He was a psychic. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| That bit did not go well. | ||
| You don't need to be a psychic to have predicted that that bit would not land. | ||
| That's like your opening bits on our guest appearances on the show. | ||
| So, you know, we got this. | ||
| Carrie talked to the first super soldier. | ||
| The program's been going on ever since that dude. | ||
| But hey, man, look, it's not just the U.S. that makes super soldiers. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Nazis wanted it, too. | ||
| The Nazis were also the first people, at least in this... | ||
| Sort of century, I guess, in the last hundred years that went down the road of creating a super soldier. | ||
| So we were not the first. | ||
| It came from the Nazis. | ||
| Universal Soldier, in fact, is a movie that... | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I forget which Universal Soldier. | ||
| Progressively, there's a sort of series of Universal Soldier movies. | ||
| Some Dolph Lundgren in there. | ||
| That really goes back and depicts the Nazis and the progression of the development of the super soldier. | ||
| You know, they like to hide in plain sight. | ||
| So if any, this helps also when there are leaks. | ||
| Because... | ||
| What they can basically say is they can say, oh, it was just a movie, or the person just saw it, they have a big imagination in a movie. | ||
| So I have no idea which Universal Soldier movie Carrie's talking about here, but I assume it would have to be one of the direct-to-video sequels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which you kind of have to forgive me, I didn't watch those. | ||
| Yeah, no, me neither. | ||
| This seems like a weird plan to me. | ||
| I kind of understand if your predictive programming stuff is in popular media, like the original Universal Soldier movie, but it doesn't really make sense for that plan to extend to the horribly unsuccessful stuff that no one's seen. | ||
| Admittedly, I don't believe in this kind of shit at all, but I also insist that if you're going to play that game, you have to at least have some kind of a standard. | ||
| Not everything could be predictive programming. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like an unpublished script can't be predictive programming. | ||
| A failed pilot cannot be predictive programming. | ||
| You have to have a line. | ||
| What about Time Cop? | ||
| I feel like that's in between Universal Soldier and Universal Soldier's directive DVD. | ||
| Time Cop came out in theaters. | ||
| Fair, fair. | ||
| I will give you a pass. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| I don't agree with you that you're playing a fair game. | ||
| You heard it here. | ||
| You're not playing fair if you're using... | ||
| Direct-to-DVD sequels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is not good. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| No. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| So I'm glad we're in agreement there. | ||
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| So Robert David Steele's like, hey, you know, like, super soldiers, I've heard of steroids. | ||
| Is that like steroids? | ||
| Are they giving them steroids? | ||
| That's a reasonable question. | ||
| Super soldiers die a young age? | ||
| Do they kind of like, you know? | ||
| No. | ||
| We've had a problem with steroids in the NFL and in the military, and if you take enough steroids, your spine ends up collapsing. | ||
| Does the super, super technology basically eat the beast, or do they survive it? | ||
| You can call them, people. | ||
| Well, my understanding is we're talking about technology that is enhancing, creating cyborgs, and this is to actually better the human body so that it's... | ||
| It can live longer, be more durable, and obviously fight and do all the things they want it to do. | ||
| So bigger, faster, better, that sort of principle. | ||
| You know, Jordan, there's a documentary that came out a while back about steroids called Bigger, Stronger, Faster, which is shockingly close to the words Care used to describe these definitely not steroid super soldiers. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But maybe, maybe, maybe? | ||
| That documentary was Predictive Programming, so I would think that she's actually talking about steroids when she uses almost the name of that documentary. | ||
| Yeah, that could be. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| Where do you stand on cyborgs getting into the hall, Dan? | ||
| Look, it's up to the hall. | ||
| I don't have a strong position on it. | ||
| I'm not involved. | ||
| I'm going to go with Interstellar 9999 is Predictive Programming because that had Daft Punk's great song, Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger, in it. | ||
| It must be. | ||
| Yes, that must be it. | ||
| So when we first did our first Project Camelot episode, it was about Randy Kramer, Super Soldier. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And of course, now they're having this conversation. | ||
| He comes up. | ||
| And would you know, I don't remember this, but it does seem like he probably did talk about it. | ||
| He's had magic limbs replaced. | ||
| Okay, sorry. | ||
| I don't know if that's ever been documented or proven, but he's had magical limb regrowth or something. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This gets to carry down another path. | ||
| We've already had universal soldier predictive programming. | ||
| And what do you know? | ||
| We get another instance of that. | ||
| It's just all fucking movies and TV shows. | ||
| There are a number of super soldiers out there. | ||
| Randy Kramer talks about even having the technology exist to replace limbs or parts of the body that get destroyed in a battle. | ||
| He says that it's happened to him, that he's had certain parts replaced and so on. | ||
| An advanced form of cloning, so you can basically grow an arm back. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But there's also, I don't know if you've seen the television series Fringe, in which this was started back in the time of the Nazis. | ||
| It has to do with parallel Earth. | ||
| It's a great show. | ||
| And going over to parallel Earth, where you have a double. | ||
| All of us have doubles in parallel Earth. | ||
| This is, in essence, you might say in the yin and yang of the being we call Earth. | ||
| That would be the dark side of Earth. | ||
| in essence you have to go to another dimension to cross into that dimension to access those individuals but they like in the movie fringe or the TV show they're being brought across to to to | ||
| like the person in this dimension has been close to death or dying and they will be replaced by one that crosses over in fact there's also a television series called counterpart which did pick Jesus thing in a After, since Fringe. | ||
| I'm not sure if you're going to be able to really strengthen your argument that life is like Fringe by pointing to another TV show. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, it's a lot like the first TV show because you saw the second TV show, Dan. | ||
| That doesn't help me, really. | ||
| It's double predictive programming. | ||
| Although, I will say that Fringe is at least more popular than the Universal Soldier sequel. | ||
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That's true. | |
| So, at least you're playing the right game here. | ||
| I'm not going to be too mad about it. | ||
| I liked Fringe. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| I liked Counterpart. | ||
| I've never heard of Counterpart. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Showtime. | ||
| Fringe at least. | ||
| I think it was a little bit maybe too ambitious from what I recall. | ||
| It was interesting. | ||
| There was a lot of really interesting stuff. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Cast was great. | ||
| It is never... | ||
| Well acted. | ||
| Joshua Jackson. | ||
| He was great. | ||
| Showing people he's still got it. | ||
| I don't know if he did that, but he did show people he's still there. | ||
| I am not just Dawson's Creek and Skull and Bones or The Faculty. | ||
| Which one was it? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| Was it The Faculty? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Not even Devin Sawa. | ||
| They just do not have the creativity necessary to write their own shit. | ||
| Well, that's why... | ||
| It's such Carrie Cassidy is a bad... | ||
| She's a failed screenwriter. | ||
| She talks about that quite a bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trying to get work in Hollywood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She just can't do it because she's not creative enough to lie her own lies. | ||
| I'm not sure if that's all that the phenomenon is, but it is fascinating to me how just this, like... | ||
| What I can't get around is, like, the picking and choosing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, okay, yes. | ||
| You've taken Fringe to be reality. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What about that one? | ||
| Dawson's Creek. | ||
| What about that one show where there wasn't electricity? | ||
| Do you know that one? | ||
| What about that one? | ||
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No. | |
| Is that real? | ||
| What? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The 100. | ||
| Let's just go with that one. | ||
| Lost. | ||
| The Dome. | ||
| Is Lost real? | ||
| Can I pretend Lost is real? | ||
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I think you can. | |
| Yeah, I mean, like, okay, there's an island that has regenerative properties and no one can find it on a map because it's constantly moving and time travel. | ||
| Can I do that? | ||
| I assume so. | ||
| Why doesn't Carrie? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I want to pretend that Ally McBeal is real, but I just can't live that life, Dan. | ||
| Well, but that's the thing, the picking and choosing. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why is it fringe? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And it's not even like it's quality-based. | ||
| Because I thought Fringe was good, but we just came from the Universal Soldier direct-to-video shit. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You know, quality seems like it should matter. | ||
| I want a good television. | ||
| Here's my point that I was trying to get to. | ||
| I was having a tough time putting my finger on it. | ||
| If I were to make arguments, probably to Carrie, that Lost is real, she would not go along with it. | ||
| Well, maybe she would. | ||
| Ah, that's a good question. | ||
| I'd rather not know the answer to that. | ||
| If you were making them to Carrie, I think she would go along with them. | ||
| If you were making them against Carrie, I think she would say that Lost is bullshit. | ||
| Well, right, right. | ||
| It's like, I just, I don't understand. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| Now, this next clip is probably the reason that I decided to do this episode. | ||
| Yeah, this is the crux. | ||
| This is where it gets real. | ||
| So we're talking about like... | ||
| Don't use that phrase. | ||
| It gets real. | ||
| I'm into this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you got this fringe and other show counterpart. | ||
| You got this other reality where there's another version of you that you can get body parts from or whatever. | ||
| If you can get through a portal or something. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| They don't get specific. | ||
| But there's other ways that these super soldiers can have like super bodies or something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Put your mic down for this because you're never going to believe a piece of information that we get told about here. | ||
| And then I have a whistleblower that talked about people like Mark Twain. | ||
| And others that have been reverse aged. | ||
| So they have this reverse aging. | ||
| And in fact, William Tompkins, we talked about him earlier, he was doing what he was doing in exchange for hope. | ||
| Hopefully getting, for himself and his family, reverse aging pills that then would allow him to stay alive much longer and go to a younger age. | ||
| Generally, from what I understand, they reverse age someone to around to their 20s. | ||
| It's younger for women. | ||
| They're like 23 or something, I was told, if I recall correctly. | ||
| And then men, it's a little bit older, 28 or so. | ||
| So, look, I totally understand in this fictional reality why you'd want to reverse age some important scientist or someone who's doing secret work behind the scenes that you know you want it to continue. | ||
| But why the fuck would you reverse age Mark Twain? | ||
| Because he's brilliant, Dan. | ||
| Have you not read Letters for a Man? | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I appreciate the Americana classics of old Sam Clemens. | ||
| One of our great authors. | ||
| I don't see what the point would be of making him immortal. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| Mark Twain was important to our country's history because he was a great writer, he had a sharp wit, and he was an engaging public speaker. | ||
| Which are three There are three things he would not be able to continue doing if you were to have a second lifetime. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I guess he could start writing under an assumed name, but people would be like, hey, man, you look a lot like Mark Twain. | ||
| You sound exactly like him, and honestly, your writing style is identical. | ||
| Aha! | ||
| I am Mark Twain's grandson. | ||
| Are you Mark Twain? | ||
| You taking reverse aging pills? | ||
| No, I am not. | ||
| I am Samuel Clemens. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Also, Mark Dwayne died in 1910, so even if he took reverse aging pills and went back to the age of 28, he would be 138 years old right now. | ||
| He would be dead again! | ||
| Naturally, you have to ask yourself if maybe he took more reverse aging pills at some point and just kept cycling. | ||
| But if so, what the fuck did he do in his second lifetime? | ||
| I see literally no tangible effects in the world that could rightly be attributed to Mark Twain in the years since his death. | ||
| So it seems like if he did live again, he probably was just pretty low-key about it, maybe just wandering around Missouri. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| I mean, look, he lived a rich, full life. | ||
| He's earned a retirement. | ||
| Of another life? | ||
| Of a whole rich, full retirement. | ||
| That's complicated. | ||
| It seems like maybe not the best use of this miracle technology for a shadowy group to be doing. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably no good. | ||
| That's probably no good. | ||
| I have a suspicion that this whistleblower of Carrie's just knew that one of Mark Twain's pithy quotes is, quote, life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of 80 and gradually approach 18, which I guess was then transformed into him being some kind of reverse aging operation kind of thing. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| If he wasn't doing a reverse agent thing, why would he say something like that? | ||
| Why would he say something like that, Jordan? | ||
| He said it himself. | ||
| He admitted it. | ||
| It's in the white papers. | ||
| I do like weird random quotes being taken out of context to be like, see, obviously this guy knows the secret. | ||
| Duh. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It's like Universal Soldier. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's predictive programming. | ||
| Externalizing the method. | ||
| Why would he say that if he didn't already have some sort of Benjamin Button technology? | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| I referenced another movie. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Why would he say that if he wasn't like Merlin? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's another fake thing. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So Mark Twain maybe still walks among us and has been reverse-aged with pills. | ||
| What is he, Thomas Pinchon now? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that makes no sense to me, but Carrie has other examples. | ||
| There are different ways of... | ||
| Dealing with a super soldier and also keeping a human being alive and bringing them back. | ||
| So there are ex-Nazis, well not ex, there are Nazis like Wernher von Braun for example who have been reverse aged and in essence are young men now. | ||
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Don't tell me it's Karl Rove. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm making a joke. | ||
| It's a terrible joke. | ||
| See, that makes sense. | ||
| Wernher von Braun is who you would say in this game. | ||
| Not Mark Twain. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Wernher von Braun is exactly who you would reverse age. | ||
| He's like a genius rocket scientist guy. | ||
| He's really spooky and evil. | ||
| I mean, he's literally a Dr. Strangelove, if you will. | ||
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If you will. | |
| He's who you would use as your reverse age. | ||
| Why is he the second example after Mark Twain? | ||
| Well, you gotta try it on somebody first, and if you're going down the list of who... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Absurd. | ||
| So they get to talking about interstellar travel, and apparently it's mostly wormholes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's the only way to get past the whole tricky light speed thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or the Van Allen radiation belt or whatever. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You got issues. | ||
| Apparently there are spacecrafts, but they're used to transport other spacecrafts through wormhole something. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| It's very convoluted. | ||
| But there are a bunch of dimensions in the world, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then there's portals that you can go through or something. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Carrie is talking about that here a little bit, and she reveals a secret power that she has. | ||
| Okay, I love a secret power. | ||
| That I find to be unimpressive. | ||
| What we're talking about is... | ||
| A sort of a path to ascension, a path to return to source, as they call it. | ||
| And there are hierarchies that one must go through and levels of frequency that you raise your frequency and you're able to go to other dimensions. | ||
| And if you've ever gone to Sedona and you go to the portals, if you want to know what a portal is like, go to Sedona, although they have them all over the world. | ||
| And in fact, rivers and lakes are natural portals. | ||
| I happen to be an Earth-sensitive. | ||
| I can feel these things in my hands. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I could walk around and tell you where on your property there might be a portal, for example. | ||
| Okay, if your superpower is being able to tell you where a portal might be, that is not a definitive power. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Maybe there's one here. | ||
| There's not. | ||
| Well, I just told you there might be one. | ||
| I didn't say there was. | ||
| That is a soft power. | ||
| She is a maybe divining rod. | ||
| That is a reliable tool. | ||
| Also, I've been to Sedona. | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| She could be right. | ||
| I've been to lakes. | ||
| I think she just revealed that at one point she was probably a Scientologist. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| That whole source thing, that's straight out of Elrond. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| No, not necessarily. | ||
| It's all over the place. | ||
| In the paranormal community. | ||
| No, that's very, very ubiquitous. | ||
| I don't think it necessarily comes from him, from Hubbard. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if she was still... | ||
| Look, I'm not going to disagree with you necessarily, but I don't think that you could use that as proof of it or anything. | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I think on some level she's just expressing exactly what I feel, but I don't think is portal related, and that is that nature is great. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Yeah, you get a different feeling when you're out and about, and you're not around concrete. | ||
| Being at a river does have some sort of... | ||
| Because you can, you know, the sunset, if you're out by a river. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| All the bugs that start making noises. | ||
| It's very atmospheric. | ||
| The natural air. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot to it. | ||
| The sounds. | ||
| It feels entirely different. | ||
| And I understand, I think, what she's trying to express, or what she's expressing, but in the form of, like, there's magic portals. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I think it's just a very... | ||
| The call of the wild is what some people call it. | ||
| You could call it being Earth-sensitive, or you could call it being sensitive to the Earth. | ||
| Being able to feel the things. | ||
| Right, but then you're interpreting that feeling as being portals. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| So, Kerry just recently talked to a guy, though, that he lives on a ranch, and that ranch is above a military base. | ||
| A lot of portals? | ||
| There's an underground military base. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| And there's probably a portal involved. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I think there is a portal. | ||
| Good. | ||
| The military base is being shared with Ashtar Command. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's a bad idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't trust them. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I just re-interviewed John Edmonds who lives on a ranch that's located on top of a military base in Arizona that's also being shared by the Ashtar Command, which is an off-planet race. | ||
| And he has a tremendous number of portals on his property where beings are always coming through and basically disturbing their life in a multitude of ways. | ||
| See, I heard that and I heard a sitcom. | ||
| I heard a damn sitcom. | ||
| A guy just trying to mind his business on a ranch. | ||
| Having a great time. | ||
| All these aliens keep showing up and meddling. | ||
| It's episodic. | ||
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You could have different alien groups coming through. | |
| Yeah, the whole time. | ||
| And you heard even Carrie laugh a little bit because I think she was thinking, hey, that's a sitcom. | ||
| She's a writer. | ||
| The way you describe that is... | ||
| There's all these portals coming on in this guy's ranch, and it's really messing with their life. | ||
| It's a nuisance. | ||
| He's having trouble. | ||
| They're turning the water off. | ||
| The electricity goes haywire every time they portal in and out. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Oh, yeah, and aliens are real. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if I'd watch that show, but there was a time in my life when I watched more TV that I would have watched that show. | ||
| I'd give it a chance. | ||
| That sounds a little bit like Fringe. | ||
| Write the show. | ||
| Write that show. | ||
| Just write the show. | ||
| That's your ticket. | ||
| Called Dan Harmon. | ||
| We know the answer to this question that Robert's about to ask, Carrie, and that is that is there an interstellar war going on? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| Is there some kind of intergalactic war going on right now? | ||
| I mean, I hear about reptilians, Palladians. | ||
| You know, I'm just a village idiot living in Oakton, Virginia. | ||
| But I find this fascinating, and I find you a very credible, interesting person. | ||
| So is there some kind of conflict going on right now, and who's winning? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's kind of funny to hear you say that. | ||
| I mean, even people that follow the Bible, which does not necessarily tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth, tend to understand that we're in a war of worlds. | ||
| You know that the whole truth and nothing but the truth is followed up by, so help me God. | ||
| Left that part off. | ||
| I just like the idea that Robert David Steele is like, I think that you're a credible and interesting person. | ||
| After, minutes earlier, she said, Mark Twain has been reverse-aged. | ||
| I'm enjoying his foghorn leghorn manner of... | ||
| I say now everybody knows you're a brilliant woman and I'm just a down-home country lawyer. | ||
| God, it's so funny. | ||
| Is that Foghorn Lakehorn's thing? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was doing Futurama. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, you know, hey, there's an Earth Star War going on, but it's really like all of this is not humans. | ||
| It's all E.T., like all wars are. | ||
| Anytime you see a war on Earth, what I've found out after all these years of investigating is that... | ||
| All of those wars have an ET basis. | ||
| So these are not just wars between humans the way we conventionally think about war. | ||
| It's very popular to think about humans as a warlike species. | ||
| Actually, that's not true. | ||
| Humans are not warlike in the way that these other species are. | ||
| We're talking about the negatively based species. | ||
| There's so much of this that constantly pops up. | ||
| There's this hiding behind attributing things to aliens that you don't want to recognize humans are capable of. | ||
| It's very weird to me. | ||
| It also hides their fundamental fascination with war and their desire to talk about all of the heroism and all that shit that we associate with war without having to feel bad about being one of the primary Drivers of it, I guess. | ||
| Not her specifically, but war in general. | ||
| Right, because you can have Randy Kramer as a celebrated murderer of tons of aliens. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's protected the Earth for decades. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a very strange worldview to me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So Robert David Steele asks if Trump knows about this stuff. | ||
| Does he know about these aliens? | ||
| And I will say that Carrie's response... | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Is it fascinating? | ||
| It's credible. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And credible. | ||
| My sources say that, yes, Trump is very knowledgeable. | ||
| In fact, according to Mark Richards, his wife is used as an alien conduit to a certain race, which he will not reveal to me which race that is, except to say that it isn't the lion beings and it... | ||
| I believe it's not the reptilians. | ||
| I'm going to pause there really quick because there's more revelations, but I would guess if Mark Richards is not telling her which race Melania is a conduit for, that implies that is not a good race of aliens. | ||
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I feel like he would just come out and say it if it was the feline Contessa. | |
| If it was the Pleiadians or whomever. | ||
| It's got to be the mantis beings or the reptilians. | ||
| If it was the raptors, he would just be like, yeah, Belania's got a one-to-one hotline to the raptor princess. | ||
| Everything is cool. | ||
| Our president is in touch with our allies in space. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's got to be one of the bad... | ||
| It's the Draco or some shit. | ||
| She's actually Mako Shark Rampant. | ||
| It has to be like a bad alien right now. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| There's no other... | ||
| Like, why wouldn't he tell her which one it was? | ||
| Yeah, that's a really good question. | ||
| All we know is it's not the lion. | ||
| Because I didn't know there was a lion alien. | ||
| Oh, of course there was a lion alien. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| What about the dog traders? | ||
| Well, the mercantile dogs. | ||
| The mercantile dogs. | ||
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Right. | |
| That sounds like who Trump would be interested in, Dan. | ||
| He is a businessman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know that there are mercantile dogs, and then there are the feline contestants who are into archaeology. | ||
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Right. | |
| I love days like today. | ||
| I didn't think that those feline Contessas were lions. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I feel like that's slightly different. | ||
| Well, I guess that's a good question. | ||
| When we're talking about feline contests as a whole, does that mean everything in the feline, what, phenotype or genus? | ||
| You know, like everything from a lion all the way down to a little tiny? | ||
| But isn't it the case that a lot of those species came into being by virtue of, like, natural pressures that exist on Earth? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| They have common ancestors in the feline family. | ||
| You would assume that if there's feline aliens, they wouldn't have had the same pressures that would lead them to... | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I'm going to go with genetic engineering. | ||
| They make all of themselves from the different inspirational series of cats. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| The point is, Melania is probably in touch with some evil aliens. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| And I'm just going based on what Carrie is saying. | ||
| I cannot stress this enough. | ||
| The assumption has to be, if Mark won't tell her, it can't be good news. | ||
| Yeah, because he always tells her... | ||
| Specifics. | ||
| That's always one of his things. | ||
| There are certain areas where he's like, I'm going to be 100% specific. | ||
| And then others where he almost like, she writes down that he turned and looked and gave me a knowing glance. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, why didn't she ask him what race he was talking about? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And his silence speaks volumes. | ||
| That's what I would say. | ||
| Anyway, there's more news on the geopolitical alien front. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So, this is sort of a... | ||
| Opponent of what you're talking about. | ||
| Yes, Putin has been read in. | ||
| And even Putin's clone. | ||
| It is said that he's been a clone for a while now. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Apparently Putin's a clone. | ||
| Just carpet bombing. | ||
| Just carpet bombing. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Putin's clone. | ||
| Drop it in there. | ||
| Well, and I mean, at the end there, she said Putin's been a clone for a while now. | ||
| There is no Putin anymore, I guess. | ||
| Is this the clone from the alternate universe that they brought over, or is this a clone? | ||
| Is this a Nazi clone? | ||
| Did Werner Von Braun make this clone? | ||
| This is the problem with this interview style, is that even though Robert David Steele is on target and focused, not a lot of follow-up questions, which I would be interested to know. | ||
| What are you saying about Putin? | ||
| He's the head of state for one of the largest countries in the world. | ||
| And you're saying he's a clone? | ||
| That's a recipe to get a bogged down interview, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So we learned in that last clip also that there are lion aliens, which is cool. | ||
| And in this next clip, we find out about another race of aliens that I think actually has come up in the past. | ||
| But it's really funny to hear. | ||
| When you're called on to give evidence for these things existing, where do you go? | ||
| There's also what you call the dragon moths that are very diabolical. | ||
| And there's an airport in Sydney, Australia, that has a gigantic plaque carving of a dragon moth. | ||
| And so you have to put two and two together on that one. | ||
| So there's a plaque in an airport in Sydney, apparently, that has a dragon moth. | ||
| And therefore, diabolical aliens. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Alright, so, okay. | ||
| Dragon moths. | ||
| Diabolical. | ||
| Here's how you prove them. | ||
| There's a plaque. | ||
| There's a single plaque in one airport. | ||
| As far as I know, yeah. | ||
| In the world. | ||
| Put two and two together. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| There aren't even two. | ||
| There might be. | ||
| But we know of one. | ||
| Because I have one source of information. | ||
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I can't even put one and one together. | |
| So, they get off the topic of some of these aliens, and Robert David Steele wants to know about free energy. | ||
| He wants to kind of end this interview getting into free energy. | ||
| And it turns out there is free energy. | ||
| It has to do with vortexes or something. | ||
| Ah, that's trouble. | ||
| Tesla is in play. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why didn't we DH him? | ||
| He's number one on the list, right? | ||
| You'd think. | ||
| DH Tesla! | ||
| Fuck, that guy was a... | ||
| A thousand years ahead of his time! | ||
| He had wireless energy before anybody! | ||
| This is incredible! | ||
| Bring Tesla back! | ||
| Mark Twain. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He wrote some books. | ||
| He's clever. | ||
| He used the N-word a lot. | ||
| So, apparently, we learned how you can get some free electricity. | ||
| And put your mic down for this one, too, because I need you to hear the specifics of this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The specifics. | ||
| I will say, one thing about Carrie that you can really count on is that she does not get bogged down in detail. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She's not into the specifics. | ||
| Free energy comes out of the energy vacuum, the black hole. | ||
| And by the way, apparently there are black holes in each of us and in the center of the earth, which is more information than I've been getting lately. | ||
| So in essence, free energy is all around us. | ||
| In fact, I've been told by one person you can stick something in the ground and in essence... | ||
| Access electricity. | ||
| So there are lots of different types of energy. | ||
| Okay, so if I understand correctly, someone told Carrie recently that you could put something in the ground and access electricity. | ||
| Dan, it turns out that the black holes were inside us all along. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Somebody. | ||
| Somebody. | ||
| A non-specific person. | ||
| Somebody. | ||
| Told Carrie. | ||
| You could take a thing. | ||
| Something. | ||
| Who knows what that thing is? | ||
| It could be anything. | ||
| You could put it in the ground. | ||
| Electricity. | ||
| And then access free energy. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| I really think she should get a patent on that quick. | ||
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Somebody needs to tell her to get a patent on that thing. | |
| Date the stamp and mail it to yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the kind of sentence that, like, if you're doing an interview, you just can't let that slide. | ||
| Somebody told me you put a thing in the ground and you got free energy. | ||
| Electricity. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Who told you that? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Anybody interviewing the president? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we allowing you to get away with here? | ||
| Yeah, this is... | ||
| So apparently we have black holes in us and we poke the ground and you get electricity. | ||
| So that's free. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Cool. | |
| As long as you find the thing, though. | ||
| That's the struggle. | ||
| It's going to take you a lot of energy to find that thing, I think. | ||
| I have a strong suspicion. | ||
| I don't think it's energy neutral. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| Also, it turns out, Mark Richards has something he's been telling Carrie about. | ||
| Another source of energy. | ||
| And this is how the interview comes to an end. | ||
| They wrap it up. | ||
| Also, another thing, too, is that Robert David Steele is very clear. | ||
| I'm trying to keep this interview tight. | ||
| This is going to be about 35 minutes. | ||
| We're not going to go. | ||
| In the same way, sticking to the business. | ||
| That's why you don't ask, what's that thing you poke the ground at? | ||
| That's another 10 minutes. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| You're not going to get an answer. | ||
| What thing is it? | ||
| It's something. | ||
| Who told you that? | ||
| I can't tell you who it was. | ||
| It was a classified situation. | ||
| There's another source of... | ||
| Energy. | ||
| This is just a silly end to this interview. | ||
| Mark Richards talks about the energy from neutron stars that we are now able to fuel our craft with that ETs did not want us to have access to. | ||
| That goes beyond free energy. | ||
| So that's what I have to say about that. | ||
| And I believe that airlines are using it right now for their planes. | ||
| I believe airlines went bankrupt and have to use free energy to get their planes off the ground. | ||
| What? | ||
| You know, I'm worried about radiation sickness. | ||
| Entire plane loads of people are being quarantined because flu presents the same way as radiation sickness. | ||
| We have to stop because I've made a commitment to my audience that I do 30-minute, not one-hour interviews. | ||
| Stick by that commitment, my friend. | ||
| Can't do a part two? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I enjoy the strong assertion that she believes... | ||
| That airline companies all went bankrupt and so now have to use free energy. | ||
| Which is from space or something. | ||
| Now, answer me this, Dan. | ||
| Why wouldn't they have used free energy in the first place? | ||
| Well, they have to go bankrupt in order to get access to the free energy. | ||
| Because once they go bankrupt, then the reptilians have them right where they want them. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They become compromised to the lion-alien-raptor alliance with the mantids. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And by virtue of that, now all these aliens can fly free. | ||
| And that's how they get 200,000 people out of here every day. | ||
| That's the whole idea. | ||
| You know how they have that, like, curtain that goes up first class? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there's mantids up there. | ||
| It's all fucking mantids up there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Yeah, you're just sitting in the back. | ||
| You're like, why do they need that curtain? | ||
| Is it because they don't want to look back at us dirty poor people back here? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's because they're... | ||
| It's mantid beings and then... | ||
| It's a big party of aliens. | ||
| I think Mohammed bin Salman is there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| It's a bit strange. | ||
| So I was curious about what Steele was saying there at the end about the radiation sickness that he's worried about. | ||
| I found it fascinating. | ||
| I watched another video of his and apparently he believes the coronavirus situation. | ||
| Radiation sickness? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| From free energy. | ||
| Well, I believe it probably has to do with 5G, because I think that's another popular area of the conspiracy world that, weirdly, I haven't heard Alex talk about, which is why we haven't talked about it on the show. | ||
| He's talked about it a little bit. | ||
| You know, we have to go to somewhere in Virginia where there's one... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He's talked about 5G, but not in relation to the coronavirus. | ||
| Oh, no, that's true. | ||
| There are some people who have been like, it's all, because China has 5G, this is all just that, and they're trying to cover it and say it's a virus. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So Robert David Steele, I think, is a little bit on that tip. | ||
| Because I watched another video of his where he was saying that, like, these people, they're on the planes and they get sick. | ||
| And then you think it's flu. | ||
| But then you get them off the planes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So that's his theory. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I don't think that one's valid for a lot of reasons, but I like that he's trying. | ||
| Again, you take things based on context. | ||
| You can't take any real argument. | ||
| That's made seriously. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because you're also discussing Mark Twain de-aging through pills, perhaps. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You're talking... | ||
| To the age of 28, by the way. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're talking about fringe being real. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And we can just go and get our doppelganger from another dimension. | ||
| Ah, but they're evil. | ||
| Putin's a clone. | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
| Why wouldn't he be? | ||
| You put a thing in the ground to get electricity. | ||
| Just put a thing in there. | ||
| Put a thing in the ground. | ||
| Just put a thing in there. | ||
| This is absurd. | ||
| I do love it when she just carpet bombs assertions that I've literally never heard anybody ever even consider as a possibility before. | ||
| It's non-stop. | ||
| This was a tight half-hour interview, and there was nothing but gold there. | ||
| When you only have to watch a half-hour interview, and you get Mark Twain, you get Thing in the Ground, that's a good day in my book. | ||
| If Project Camelot could stay just that, and of course it can't. | ||
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It can't. | |
| Because, you know, nothing good in this world stays good. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, especially not now. | ||
| We can at least look at this new interview and see the ways in which it has those similarities to what gave us a break in the past. | ||
| And I'm glad for that. | ||
| So thank you, Carrie. | ||
| Even if we are making fun of this entire everything about... | ||
| 100% of it. | ||
| At the very least, 20% of it, which is how many people we are missing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh yeah, I forgot about that too. | ||
| 20% of the population being eaten by aliens. | ||
| What I don't understand is like... | ||
| It seems like it's easier to just believe that the problems are aliens. | ||
| Wars are aliens. | ||
| And it's so hard to stay informed about everything that's going on and really trace the root causes behind these problems and solve it. | ||
| So if you're choosing to go the easy route, why are you then making it really complicated and miserable to live inside? | ||
| Like, if we're going on ignorance is bliss, why is it so miserable to take the easy route, man? | ||
| Well, because it's not miserable. | ||
| This stuff isn't real. | ||
| So you're not actually facing any of the effects of, like, what the downside of, if aliens were really taking people all over, like, 20% of the world, like, what she's describing is terrifying. | ||
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Right, but I don't see her, I don't see, she doesn't seem happy to me. | |
| No. | ||
| Like, wouldn't the whole point of doing this is to avoid the bad feelings of, instead of just instead feeling miserable and helpless in the face of aliens stealing 200,000 people that ostensibly you like? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| That's a real bummer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I don't have an answer for that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I hate my government doing things in my name that I find reprehensible and evil. | ||
| But I am fine if raptors steal 200,000 people. | ||
| I'm still friends with them. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It's chocolate. | ||
| You know, you got to look out at this on a sliding scale sort of thing. | ||
| Yeah, but at least they haven't abducted 1.5 billion people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this has been a little bit of a fun break. | ||
| We'll be back with another episode. | ||
| But, you know, there's a secondary aspect to this, too, which is, like, really pointing out that there is... | ||
| Less of a wall between the worlds of Alex Jones and Project Camelot than necessarily appears to be the case. | ||
| You have this interview where Carrie's saying this stuff about Mark Twain got de-aged. | ||
| I know I keep going back to that, but it's because I love it. | ||
| It's my favorite thing. | ||
| Much like the last episode of Fringe, you are my favorite thing. | ||
| Mark Twain was de-aged. | ||
| It's my version of Josh Jackson. | ||
| Spoiler alert for Fringe. | ||
| I think it's past its time. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| If you were going to watch it, you were going to watch it. | ||
| It's too late. | ||
| I regret nothing. | ||
| So, you have Carrie saying stuff like that, and it is really out there, and obviously you'd have to be just completely incredulous to not be like, hey, what are you talking about? | ||
| Show me any kind of evidence of any of the things that you're saying. | ||
| And, you know, it's silly, and you can write it off as like, oh, these are just people saying they're just talking shit. | ||
| But she's being interviewed by a guy who was a frequent guest on Alex's show until he said, I believe children are being taken to Mars bases. | ||
| So, like, the connection is closer than it might feel comfortable to recognize. | ||
| I kind of feel like the only difference in worldview between Alex and Carrie is taste in movies. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Depending on the movies that they want to believe are predictive programming, that's where they go. | ||
| Are you more into sci-fi? | ||
| Are you oblivion or are you a universal soldier? | ||
| Which one do you want to go with? | ||
| I'm talking less about worldviews. | ||
| I'm talking more about what standards do you apply to what you're putting up. | ||
| Alex was perfectly comfortable having Robert David Steele on. | ||
| Presenting him as an expert in stuff until he went a little too far. | ||
| And then he had to be like, he had to be excised because everyone was making fun of Alex for believing in Mars bases. | ||
| And so you gotta take a step back from that. | ||
| Whereas, like, it's the same level of... | ||
| That leads to Project Camelot doing an episode with Pete Peterson where they now, in 2017, Bill Ryan has to come out and say, we did no due diligence on this interview. | ||
| It's the same level of work that's being done by these two things. | ||
| Just one is political espionage and one is... | ||
| Magic space stuff. | ||
| And I guess that gets back to what you were saying. | ||
| It's the taste in movies. | ||
| Which do you prefer? | ||
| The Manchurian Candidate or Universal Soldier? | ||
| If you apply that level of just like, I don't give a shit, let's do this, then whatever your taste in movies will dictate the product that you make. | ||
| We live in a sad world. | ||
| That's the saddest thing I think I've ever thought. | ||
| And on that note. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| We will. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Nat, go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| And if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes or wherever podcast you'll have. | ||
| So download, leave a review, et cetera, share. | ||
| You know the whole deal. | ||
| Donate. | ||
| It'll be great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am Putin's other clone. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |