#399: February 12-14, 2020
Today, Dan and Jordan discuss some recent affairs on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex calls for a whole ton of murders, passive-aggressively abuses his own lawyer, and is just generally wrong about things.
Feb. 17, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
03:04:54
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| We all know that you're a... | ||
| Appreciator of dunks. | ||
| This is quite a setup. | ||
| Last night was the dunk contest. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Oh shit, was it? | ||
| When was the last dunk contest you watched? | ||
| Aside from the YouTube clips that you watch all the time. | ||
| I don't know, ever. | ||
| I mean, back when I used to watch basketball when I was like 15 or something. | ||
| So you haven't watched any? | ||
| Not current ones. | ||
| I've seen clips of the more recent ones. | ||
| Whenever I go back and I watch Dunks, I'm watching 90s Dunks Contests. | ||
| Not because I think that they're bad now. | ||
| There's something magical about those terrible uniforms that the NBA had in the 90s. | ||
| With the short shorts? | ||
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Yeah, there's just some aesthetic about it that's really exciting to me. | |
| And I know it's probably because I was a young man when I was watching those things. | ||
| But yeah, there's just something... | ||
| There's an air to it. | ||
| There's just a certain something that the present day of the NBA doesn't capture for me. | ||
| Who's your favorite 90s dunker? | ||
| Rex Chapman, baby! | ||
| I know Rex Chapman is... | ||
| Okay, what do you got? | ||
| He can't be your favorite dunker! | ||
| It just can't be! | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Vince Carter was really innovative with a lot of his... | ||
| I remember back when I was younger, I don't know if he was ever a really relevant player, but I remember Isaiah Ryder was somebody that was always talked about as a great dunker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the Dee Browns of the world who were like a little tiny guy at Spud Webb. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| When Spud Webb dunked, it was a miracle. | ||
| We all... | ||
| Yeah, everybody got off the bench and we were going crazy. | ||
| Look at that tiny guy dunk. | ||
| Got on our knees, raised our hands, holy ghosted. | ||
| But weirdly, Muggsy... | ||
| Bogues never went that route. | ||
| He was a tiny man, but he never went the dunk route. | ||
| Maybe he didn't, I just don't remember. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| But he also was on the same team as Alonzo Mourning and Larry Johnson. | ||
| Those guys were dunkers. | ||
| World-class dunkers. | ||
| So this has been dunk talk. | ||
| Dunk talk. | ||
| There was just some controversy. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| I was unaware of this. | ||
| Please, fill me in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One dude got five rounds, all 50 points. | ||
| Perfect scores, five straight rounds. | ||
| Then he jumped over Taco Falls for the finals. | ||
| Taco Falls is a 7 '5". | ||
| He's a big dude. | ||
| He's real tall. | ||
| And grabbed the ball out of his shoulder. | ||
| Managed to dunk it. | ||
| Jumped over. | ||
| Tacko fall. | ||
| Seven foot five. | ||
| Dunked it. | ||
| Wound up getting a 47 and losing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Perfect up to that point. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently the story was the judges were trying to set up a tie for the final. | ||
| Of course they were. | ||
| Both of them get 48. But they couldn't do the math right, so he got 47 and wound up losing. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
| That's an interesting conspiracy theory. | ||
| I'm not sure if I buy into it. | ||
| I was trying to pay attention to your story, but I kind of got lost in thought because I can't decide. | ||
| Rex Chapman can't dunk over Taco Falls. | ||
| Rex Chapman could do anything. | ||
| He cannot. | ||
| The thing that I was lost in thought about was... | ||
| I can't decide whether or not I'm opposed to when people dunk over cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I think that I'm against it. | ||
| Because I think that I don't like the novelty prop aspect of it. | ||
| It should just be you and the ball and maybe another person you're jumping over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How is the person any different than the car? | ||
| Am I being a stick in the mud? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Maybe walking over a car is really cool. | ||
| Should you be allowed a trampoline? | ||
| I think not. | ||
| I agree with the trampoline. | ||
| Although, do you remember that... | ||
| That's a performance-enhancing drug situation. | ||
| Do you remember Slam Ball? | ||
| No, what is Slam Ball? | ||
| That was a league that got started. | ||
| I think it was on, like, FX or something like that. | ||
| One of those... | ||
| Spike TV, probably. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| And it was just a basketball league, but it was a whole court of trampolines. | ||
| All right, now I want that. | ||
| It didn't last, but it was pretty fun. | ||
| I want Taco Falls on a... | ||
| It was a recipe for neck injuries. | ||
| It's a terrible idea. | ||
| So anyway, this is a podcast where apparently I have a lot of feelings about dunks, and I was unaware of the controversy from last night's dunk contest. | ||
| I hope everybody is being sued appropriately. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But I do know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I know a lot about the former and nothing about the latter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting meaty episode in front of us. | ||
| We are going over February 12th through 14th. | ||
| That is Wednesday through Friday of last week. | ||
| 12th through 14th, 2020. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| This is 2020. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| And it's interesting, man. | ||
| This show has so many different tone shifts throughout it that you're going to probably get whiplash. | ||
| This is whiplash. | ||
| Yeah, there are like real serious moods that change from day to day. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| And it's interesting. | ||
| A lot of the times we end up focusing on like one episode or maybe two episodes. | ||
| Sometimes it's kind of difficult to trace the like, this show has no connection to what it was yesterday. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And I think you'll experience quite a bit of that today. | ||
| Okay, so I'm going to get a symbol. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, but before we get down to any of that, we've got to take a moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| So first, Alex, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Alex. | ||
| Next, Vincent, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much, Vincent Carter. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Great dunker. | ||
| Great dunker. | ||
| Vicious, malicious dunks from Vince Carter. | ||
| He revitalized it. | ||
| That's a J5 lyric. | ||
| He revitalized the dunk contest. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Next, Craig. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Craig. | ||
| Next, Nicole. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Nicole. | ||
| Thank you, Nicole. | ||
| Next, Ryan. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Ryan. | ||
| Thank you, Ryan. | ||
| Next, Elizabeth. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much, Elizabeth. | ||
| The big dunk, that is. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| That was a stretch. | ||
| That was bad. | ||
| Finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate that very much. | ||
| So first, Christoph with a K. Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Jennifer, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare... | ||
| Thank you so much, Christoph, and thank you so much, Jennifer. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I like what these gents do, I'd like to support it, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Particularly because, you know, we don't say this all that often, but it is maybe nice to remind people we have foregone the option, even, of taking any advertising on this show at any point. | ||
| So it is all your support that makes this possible, and we appreciate it, and thank you. | ||
| Yes, very much so. | ||
| So here is an out-of-context drop from today's show, which gives you one of the tones that we're going to be experiencing. | ||
| Trump should fire everyone who hasn't already shown themselves to be loyal. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There is a theme of consolidation of autocratic power that is definitely running through these episodes. | ||
| Trump should remove anyone that he murders from a photo. | ||
| That is the rule. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also, I forgot about this, but I need to take care of a couple things really quick before we get into the show. | ||
| One, there's a couple side issues. | ||
| What I wanted to do is make a sound drop of a bunch of times Alex saying, side issue. | ||
| And then introduce this segment of side issues, but I forgot to do that. | ||
| One is I'm getting a lot of people who have tweeted at me and sent messages about Coach Dave Dobbenmeier, because apparently he's suing the NFL or wants to sue the NFL because he got too horny during the halftime show. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| And people are like, you should check in on your bully and stuff like that. | ||
| First of all, not my boy. | ||
| Second, I have made a conscious decision that I don't want to cover that. | ||
| I have no interest in it. | ||
| Even though it's getting... | ||
| A lot of attention was put on making fun of that dude for this. | ||
| And one of the things I recognized is that he has probably a couple hundred viewers on his YouTube show. | ||
| It's not like he has a syndicated radio show that's out widely. | ||
| We would, at this point, be amplifying him by covering him getting horny for the Super Bowl. | ||
| And it just dawned on, like, I have no interest in that. | ||
| This is something best left alone. | ||
| Yeah, I don't care. | ||
| No, so that isn't going to happen, and I'm sorry if that's disappointing to people. | ||
| The second thing I keep getting messages about is Jim Baker and his silver sales. | ||
| Yes, I have received... | ||
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Yes. | |
| Because it's running the same path as Alex. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's trying to sell his silver solution as a way that you can fight the coronavirus. | ||
| And I'm pretty excited about that. | ||
| Not because I think Jim Baker is going to get in trouble, but because of something that you notice. | ||
| And that is that... | ||
| That was everywhere. | ||
| That was all over Twitter. | ||
| People posting the video of Jim Baker selling the silver and just people like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Now, what didn't you see on Twitter? | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We have been covering this goddamn story. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And I'm not mad about that. | ||
| I'm not saying we deserve more attention or anything. | ||
| No. | ||
| I see tons of people talking about Jim Baker doing this. | ||
| Literally no one talking about Alex Jones doing it. | ||
| And that tells me that Alex Jones is less relevant than Jim Baker. | ||
| It does seem that way. | ||
| And that to me is satisfying, even if it is a bad sign for our careers. | ||
| I don't like Jim Baker just being allowed to be on the internet. | ||
| I think he should be kicked off. | ||
| No, I mean, it's not great that anyone, you know, Jim Baker is more relevant than anyone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if we're grading it on a sliding scale, it's good that Alex Jones... | ||
| Is so unimportant to people that they don't even notice that he's doing this exact same thing that they're clowning on Jim Baker for. | ||
| That's good to me. | ||
| That tells me that his impact and his reach is minimal. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| This has been Side Issues. | ||
| Side issue. | ||
| Side issue. | ||
| So, we got out of business here on February 12th, and what has happened at this point is that Trump has, you know, he's fired Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, Ambassador Sondland, and... | ||
| Alex is really exaggerating this. | ||
| He's in a mood where Trump is fucking clearing house. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Everyone's gotta go. | ||
| Get him out of here. | ||
| There can no longer be any doubt. | ||
| President Trump isn't waiting until he wins the election in 264 days to launch not the red wave but the red storm. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Now engulfing the swamp in D.C. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of globalist operatives inside the State Department and the Justice Department and other agencies are being purged as we speak. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| So, we got the air raid siren very reminiscent of Bill Cooper. | ||
| And Alex is saying that there's hundreds and hundreds of people in the government that are being purged because they're globalists. | ||
| And these are the people who have been impeding Trump's agenda this whole time. | ||
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Of course! | |
| So that's the narrative we've been going with. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| This has been a talking point on Alex's show at this point for a couple days. | ||
| And honestly, it definitely sounds like something Trump would do since it's an outrageously anti-democratic move and it would help scapegoat why he's a shitty president and all that. | ||
| The problem is that I can't find any evidence that this is actually happening. | ||
| The hundreds and hundreds of people. | ||
| Trump did fire Sondland and Vindman, as well as his brother. | ||
| And prior to that, former Ukrainian ambassador Marie Yovanovitch had resigned at the State Department. | ||
| Beyond this, I don't really see any proof that there's a mass purging of people within the government. | ||
| And you'd think people would make a big deal out of that. | ||
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They would! | |
| A post on Raw Story mentions an advisor to Mike Pence leaving her position and Trump withdrawing a couple of people he'd nominated for the positions of the Pentagon's comptroller and chief financial officer and the Treasury Department's Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Crimes. | ||
| So there are those, but that's still not really that much. | ||
| Outside of these examples, I can't find any other globalist purges that are happening. | ||
| And interestingly, all of these people that have been purged from the government really seem like they're just instances of Trump retaliating against people who weren't 100% on board with his clearly criminal and anti-democratic agenda. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| But see, Alex's show starts with a voiceover of a guy saying, you want to fight against corruption? | ||
| Well, so does he. | ||
| So it'd be painfully off-brain for Alex to just be like, hooray for explicit corruption! | ||
| He has to reframe it. | ||
| And this is the easiest way to do that. | ||
| This isn't Trump retaliating against government employees. | ||
| It's getting Soros globalist people out of the administration. | ||
| And it's not like five or six really egregious examples of retaliation. | ||
| No, it's hundreds of embedded globalists he's giving the boot. | ||
| This is what Alex has been waiting for all along. | ||
| The indictments are unsealed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Kind of. | |
| There's a serious downside to this strategy that Alex is employing, and that's that it kind of leaves him without any plausible excuses for why Trump still sucks and isn't getting anything done. | ||
| Forever, the excuse has been that there's globalists in the mix who are sabotaging things and leaking. | ||
| But if he's now kicking out hundreds of ne 'er-to-wells, that really easy and readily accepted excuse is going to be off the table, and that seems like a bad play. | ||
| So it seems like the reality of what Alex is talking about, because it's not like... | ||
| What he's actually talking about is there was a story that came out on February 8th about National Security Advisor Robert O 'Brien announcing some cuts to the National Security Council staff. | ||
| The feeling was that the council staff had gotten too big in recent years, so there was an interest in streamlining things. | ||
| O'Brien had been interviewed by NPR on January 11th, and he said that he'd hoped to have 60 to 70 staffers off the council by the end of February. | ||
| But it's important to point out that they're specifically staffed Right, right, right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think this is what Alex is talking about. | ||
| He says the hundreds and hundreds of people. | ||
| I think he's talking about these people who Robert O 'Brien is eliminating their role on the National Security Council, but not purging them. | ||
| They're just going back to the Pentagon or the State Department. | ||
| I'm going to go with he's just making it up. | ||
| Well, I think that he's making it up based on this as the story he's riffing from. | ||
| I doubt he even knows. | ||
| Does he bring up that story? | ||
| I think it does come up, definitely. | ||
| I don't remember if it's Alex bringing it up or a guest, but I know that the story eventually does come up on the show. | ||
| But what's important here is not that this is a purge of all dissent in the government. | ||
| What's important is that Alex is reporting it as if it is, and he's normalizing that idea. | ||
| He's making his audience comfortable with the idea that a president like Trump should be able to fill all government positions with people who are blindly loyal to whatever he wants, whether or not they're qualified for the position. | ||
| This should not be a surprise, because this is what Alex does all the time, and he is not into democracy or a functioning government. | ||
| It shouldn't be a surprise from Trump either. | ||
| He's already appointed how many justices to every fucking possible court that he can, all of them unqualified and insane. | ||
| So why would we be surprised that he wants this or is doing it? | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So on our last episode that came out on Wednesday of last week, we discussed how Alex had talked about Roger Stone. | ||
| The sentencing recommendation was seven to nine years. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Immediately after we put out that episode, things went a little bit wild. | ||
| Nope, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Bill Barr, Attorney General, came out and they made an amended... | ||
| Sentencing recommendation. | ||
| He's like, hey, you should do less than that. | ||
| Hey, just let him out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Alex is super into that. | ||
| He's really into this, and here he talks about that a little bit. | ||
| Here's what President Trump had to say yesterday after U.S. attorneys resigned because they want to give Roger Stone a record-long sentence. | ||
| So real quick, also, the sound is terrible because at this point, Alex is using one of his wandering mics. | ||
| Infowars does not know how to get this sound right. | ||
| Whenever he wants to stand up, he has a different mic, and it's just a disaster. | ||
| There are a couple of segments. | ||
| Over the course of these three episodes that I was like, the sound is just not good enough to even use. | ||
| Dan, have you ever been hired to work on a professional show as a sound guy? | ||
| I have not. | ||
| Do you do all the sound for this show? | ||
| Yeah, and I fuck up sometimes. | ||
| I'm not a professional. | ||
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You do fuck up sometimes. | |
| Right. | ||
| However, you are better than the entire staff of InfoWars. | ||
| I mean, I wasn't like seven years ago. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| But, I mean, I've learned. | ||
| Yeah, and you're not getting paid as much. | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| Then, of course, you've got... | ||
| The head prosecutor who thought she was going to get a job at the Treasury who then resigned only to learn that that nomination was withdrawn. | ||
| Here's President Trump talking about Roger Stone yesterday afternoon. | ||
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Yeah, I thought it was ridiculous. | |
| No, I didn't speak to the Jets. | ||
| I'd be able to do it if I wanted. | ||
| I have the absolute right to do it. | ||
| I stay out of things to a degree that people wouldn't believe. | ||
| I don't listen to anything he says, and every time he talks, I want to light this entire country on fire. | ||
| It's so amazing, those, like, turns of phrase. | ||
| And the way he's talking, I have zero doubts that he spoke to the DOJ. | ||
| Oh, absolutely! | ||
| What did we do? | ||
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What did we do? | |
| What are you even doing? | ||
| Why would the press even pretend that he didn't? | ||
| That's pathetic. | ||
| When you're saying things like, people wouldn't believe the conversations I don't have, and I didn't talk to them, but I totally could have, it feels familiar, and you kind of know what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't commit a crime, but even if I did commit a crime, it would be fine, and also, in two weeks, I'm going to tell everybody that I did commit that crime, and nobody's going to care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So anyway, as it relates to Roger Stone, he was found guilty of a ton of crimes by a jury. | |
| And his sentencing is coming up at the end of this month. | ||
| I'm editorializing here, but I assume this is partially inspired by his career of destroying people's lives, his long track record of playing shady political games to help authoritarian rulers here in the United States and abroad, and his consistent behavior of trying to derail that trial that he was in as it was happening. | ||
| Yeah, that is... | ||
| And one of his charges was witness intimidation. | ||
| Yes, he did tamper with witnesses. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I'm editorializing. | ||
| I'm just guessing that maybe if I were a prosecutor, I'd be like, hey, look, he's not been punished for a lot of really shady shit that he's 100% done. | ||
| You know, hey, maybe he doesn't have a criminal record, but you bet he does. | ||
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But whatever the reason, Roger had this sentencing request from the prosecution. | ||
| Then Trump tweeted out that his recommendation was, quote, horrible and very unfair. | ||
| And what do you know? | ||
| Just after that, the DOJ overruled its own recommendation and suggested Stone get less time in jail. | ||
| Honestly, it's a pathetic move on Attorney General William Barr's part, since that recommendation doesn't dictate the actual sentencing. | ||
| That's still the judge's decision. | ||
| All this does is send a message, and that message is that the law isn't really real, even in terms of the Department of Justice, and Trump doesn't give a fuck about any rules. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That is, yeah, I'm going to go with, I'm calling it. | ||
| Democracy! | ||
| Done! | ||
| The message is clear, and as such, in response to the revised sentencing suggestion, all four of the prosecutors on Stone's case withdrew from their positions in the case, and one of them straight up resigned from the Department of Justice. | ||
| All that is fairly serious stuff, because they're sending a message with these withdrawals, and that is that this is a corrupt operation that they can no longer be a part of. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We've touched on the Rogers stuff, like I said in the last episode, but that was before all this news broke. | ||
| I said then that I don't really care about his seven to nine year sentence recommendation because I had no faith that he would have any punishment at all. | ||
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No. | |
| I have a strong suspicion that this move by Trump and the Department of Justice is to trap the judge. | ||
| So if she sentences Roger to a term in line with the initial recommendation, Trump can have a pretend justification to pardon him. | ||
| I have to pardon him. | ||
| I told you this was an unfair sentence and you guys didn't reduce it, so I have no choice but to pardon him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It gives cover to that. | ||
| That's kind of how I see this and what I feel is the case. | ||
| I have no idea if my sense of it is accurate, but that just... | ||
| That seems to be what purpose this would serve. | ||
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Right. | |
| To give cover and justification for like, oh, this activist never Trump or judge. | ||
| We gave a recommendation. | ||
| It would have been fine if he did six months in prison. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But I gotta just get rid of this. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I gotta pardon him. | ||
| I hesitate at any time to attribute any reasonable motivation behind... | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Like, that sounds so reasonable. | ||
| But I think Bill Barr would come up with that. | ||
| Bill Barr would come up with that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Bill Barr is a rat fucker on the level of Roger Stone, so of course. | ||
| Or Roger Stone would come up with that. | ||
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Yes, exactly. | |
| He's intimidating the Department of Justice! | ||
| For now, larger picture, Trump is making moves and shoring up power. | ||
| He's clearly indicating that dissenters and people who he perceives as crossing him will suffer consequences, and that for people he perceives as allies, he'll attack the foundations of the law to defend them. | ||
| We're entering seriously fucked up territory, and Alex is cheering for all of it. | ||
| Because of course he is. | ||
| Alex isn't into democracy or functioning governments. | ||
| Yeah, if there's any way that they... | ||
| There's no way that the election is not fucked with. | ||
| Man, I don't know. | ||
| That's just the end. | ||
| That's just the end, man. | ||
| I used to push back a little harder on your claims of that. | ||
| You did. | ||
| I'm still pushing back on it a little bit. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I don't want alarmism here. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| The problem is, over time... | ||
| Things have gotten more to what I was being hyperbolic about. | ||
| A little. | ||
| I was trying to be hyperbolic back then, and now it seems like a... | ||
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Yeah, I mean, who knows? | |
| Who knows? | ||
| Anyway, Alex is thrilled. | ||
| There's a purge going on. | ||
| He's super into it. | ||
| Get all non-Trump loyalists out. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Trump has done it. | ||
| He's launched a massive legal lawful purge. | ||
| Legal lawful purge? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's true, Trump is an outsider. | ||
| He'd never been elected to even dog catcher. | ||
| He didn't realize it's customary to remove the political apparatus of the party that was in power. | ||
| Even if you're in the same party and you get into office, you remove the adjuncts that were working even for your own party usually because they are loyal to who put them in power, not even to the party itself or the people. | ||
| And so Trump had a major, major, major blunder. | ||
| When he did not remove those individuals. | ||
| And so they were working against him the whole time as Obama and Hillary and neocon deep state moles. | ||
| So now Trump says he's firing all Never Trumpers. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| And he is going to fire anyone that's worked for Soros, excellent. | ||
| And anyone that's worked for the Clintons, excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent. | ||
| So here we have a very clear-cut signal that Alex is fully aware that the behavior he's hoping to see Trump engage in is the very definition of a dictator consolidating power. | ||
| The fact that he needs to stress this is a legal and lawful purge of people, that's what you call a dead giveaway. | ||
| I can find no evidence that what Alex is describing is actually happening, that Trump is carrying out a large-scale purge of all the globalist Soros types in the government, but that's what Alex is reporting, and he's reporting it as a good thing. | ||
| So I consulted InfoWars' website to see if they could give me any clues about this situation. | ||
| And I found one interesting article about a guy in the State Department who was, quote, fired by President Trump as part of spring cleaning in the State Department. | ||
| The article goes on, quote, President Trump has taken a more active role in running the day-to-day affairs of the White House by grabbing the reins. | ||
| Trump is preventing himself from being isolated by his own staff, a real danger given how others have acted as gatekeepers by preventing information from flowing to the president. | ||
| And they have been drugging his Diet Cokes, I believe. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Are they still doing that or did they stop doing that? | ||
| Well, it's interesting you say that because that article that I just read from was posted in March 2018. | ||
| Ah, there we go. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I looked around a little more and I found out about Trump purging dissent in the White House. | ||
| This one written by Paul Joseph Watson. | ||
| Quote, President Trump is about to take the gloves off in a purge of White House advisors that could begin as early as today. | ||
| That article is from May 2017. | ||
| Alright, how we doing? | ||
| It gets really funny when you start poking around a little deeper on their website. | ||
| They really need to hire someone to clean up all that shit. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| From a January 26, 2014 article with a shared byline from Alex and Paul Joseph Watson with the headline, Obama launches chilling purge against political enemies. | ||
| From the article, quote, Throughout history, every culture has had maxims in law denouncing the openly corrupt sitting in judgment. | ||
| The Obama Justice Department is openly launching a night of long knives-style purge of their political enemies that should send chills up the spine of all Americans. | ||
| This article is mostly about Dinesh D'Souza being prosecuted for campaign finance crimes, which he absolutely did commit. | ||
| A little bit of a sliding thing here. | ||
| It's really a struggle. | ||
| It's really a struggle not to just, like, scream all the time. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| It is a real struggle. | ||
| I hear you figuratively and literally when you scream all the time. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Or how about this article from November 1st, 2013? | ||
| Quote, In Obama's America, the military must forsake their constitutional oath in favor of blind allegiance to their new commander. | ||
| I'd be really interested to hear Lieutenant Colonel Vindman's take on that. | ||
| Well, he was, of course, terrified of the Obama purges that were going on. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| Obama was consolidating power as the dictator we all knew he was. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The point here is that this is a super common feature of the Infowars rhetorical canon, and it turned on its head a little bit in the Trump era. | ||
| In the preceding years, every single thing that Obama did was considered an unconstitutional purge, an attack on patriots or some shit. | ||
| Well, he was black, Dan. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But as soon as Alex joined up with Trump, the tone completely changed, and the editorial line has been one of demanding Trump fire everyone who doesn't agree with him. | |
| That's because he's orange. | ||
| Well, this is because at its core, Alex's ideology is not libertarian or Americana or whatever he pretends it to be. | ||
| He wants to serve a dictator. | ||
| And honestly, he couldn't have been more clear about this throughout his career. | ||
| Yeah, he's a fascist. | ||
| It just has to be the right dictator. | ||
| And Trump is that because he believes that his class of person is safe. | ||
| I'm not sure if Trump said he's going to fire all Never Trumpers, all Soros people, and anyone who worked with Hillary. | ||
| I can't find proof of that, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point. | ||
| The reason Alex is presenting things this way, however, is because if Alex says that Trump is doing these things, what could otherwise be seen as reorganizing of the Security Council staff is now framed as the long-awaited wish fulfillment. | ||
| In the form that they've been begging for. | ||
| Who's now going to purge all their perceived enemies from office. | ||
| It's what Q wants. | ||
| It's all this stuff. | ||
| And there are two possibilities. | ||
| Either Trump is doing that and Alex is cheerleading an authoritarian ruler consolidating power and silencing all voices of dissent. | ||
| Or Trump isn't doing that. | ||
| And this cycle will just repeat all over again. | ||
| See, I think The one thing that Alex | ||
| should be going on with Trump about is the recent release of all of the Pentagon stuff about how they've got alien UFO research going on and everybody's like... | ||
| Whoa, they might actually have something. | ||
| That's the one thing. | ||
| Doesn't come up. | ||
| That's the one thing Alex should be like, Trump, release all the UFO shit. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
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Just do it. | |
| He's done that in the past. | ||
| He's called for that in the past. | ||
| And I seem to recall even Roger was saying that Trump's going to do that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But yeah, that's not a standard feature. | ||
| I want it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, maybe, I mean, within the next week, who knows? | ||
| Alex is, by the time we get through this, Alex has been on quite a roller coaster. | ||
| He might need something like that. | ||
| But Alex, you know, his position on this is like, Trump can do whatever he wants. | ||
| Tell the DOJ to do whatever. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Tell the independent DOJ that is totally independent that he does not have control over. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Trump signaled that he's going to be pardoning Roger Stone. | ||
| Pelosi says that she thinks it's illegal, that the DOJ, who does standardize and have recommendations from the top, on what should be reasonable sentencing. | ||
| Trump's whole justice reform movement is about having non-violent people not serve as much time. | ||
| So the idea that he can't, through the Justice Department, say, I want you to not give this person a longer sentence than you normally would in the sentencing guidelines is 100% in his purview. | ||
| Alex is just muddying up the issue here. | ||
| And that's, like, it's... | ||
| It's a question of abuse of power for Trump to have the DOJ change their sentencing recommendations in this case. | ||
| It's not like the prosecutors in that case were just out to get Roger for no reason and Trump is trying to defend an innocent man he has no connection to. | ||
| Roger was found guilty in a jury trial and the prosecutors had their recommendation. | ||
| Clearly, Trump tweeted his disapproval and Barr made moves to adjust the sentencing recommendation. | ||
| That's all very clear, and it's a very overt case of corruption, and the most likely reason it's going this way, as best I can tell, is because someone explained to Trump that he couldn't just pardon Roger. | ||
| That would almost certainly cause a severe reaction because Roger was sentenced for interfering in a case related to Trump. | ||
| It does seem like that would be corrupt. | ||
| So instead, you have your corruptest shit attorney general meddle in the sentencing recommendation to create a pretext where Roger either gets a super light sentence, possibly no time at all, or the judge ignores the new recommendation and gives him nine years and you can easily justify a pardon. | ||
| That's all the game that's being played here. | ||
| And it's very lame. | ||
| It's super important, though, that like... | ||
| All these issues about whether or not criminal justice reform can be something a president does, advising the DOJ on general guidelines, that sort of thing is not even the conversation here. | ||
| It's a case that specifically involves the president. | ||
| Okay, so you're telling me that if Roger Stone killed a guy directly at the command of Trump and then he were to pardon him, that would send a bad message? | ||
| That is the issue. | ||
| I would imagine that if the election is free and fair and the results are respected, he's just going to pull in H.W. and pardon everybody who committed a crime. | ||
| Like everybody. | ||
| Like H.W. did. | ||
| And if he did that... | ||
| I think everyone would be like, fuck you. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But it would be a thing where, like, all right, let's move on. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Go! | ||
| Go! | ||
| Just go! | ||
| And some of them would then probably face other charges, because you can't pardon state-level charges. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So there might be some... | ||
| Prosecutions that still end up happening. | ||
| But yeah, that would be the time when that could happen and be like, alright, whatever. | ||
| You're in that period where you lost the election but you're not out of office yet. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Just leave now. | ||
| Just leave now. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| But it's not going to happen because he would go to jail whenever he loses the election. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| So anyway, Alex is really thrilled about this imagined purge of all the globalists and Soros and Clinton people and the government. | ||
| And look, man, we can celebrate that. | ||
| But there's something else that needs to happen. | ||
| And so we can sit here and celebrate going after the Democrat deep state and all these horrible people, but is Trump just going to replace himself at the head of that? | ||
| Because Tim Cook comes over and has dinner with him and Ivanka and Jared and... | ||
| You know, oh, maybe Apple's got a couple hundred plants over in China and he'll bring two or three over here. | ||
| So for that pat on the head, we're just going to let Apple and Tim Cook control everything and censor and block and not let people's information be available in the market of ideas? | ||
| Put me back on Facebook. | ||
| That isn't dangerous. | ||
| That's destructive. | ||
| I want to be on Twitter. | ||
| That is tyranny playing out and taking place now. | ||
| That is basically... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Let me back on iTunes. | ||
| You were kind of joking with your prediction, but yeah, that is kind of what his point was. | ||
| I went back on Facebook. | ||
| I went back on Facebook. | ||
| Look, the purge that you're doing on Globalist is great. | ||
| Love a purge. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Love a purge. | ||
| I need back on Twitter. | ||
| For 24 hours, all crime is legal, but put me back on Facebook. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, you know, Alex says, firing hundreds and hundreds, and hey man, it's fine because other people have done things. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| And I don't gloat about the fact that Trump's finally purging a lot of the scum. | ||
| It's hundreds and hundreds. | ||
| It's just pouring in so fast. | ||
| Who? | ||
| He's getting rid of any Obama people, any Hillary people. | ||
| So fast. | ||
| When Clinton got in in 1993... | ||
| He fired every U.S. attorney. | ||
| Trump didn't fire any, and they said that he was misusing his power. | ||
| Alex is absolutely, completely lying. | ||
| No, no, I remember Obama did all of that. | ||
| So, let me talk about Clinton. | ||
| But for one, I need him to substantiate this flood of firings he keeps talking about. | ||
| Because even now, days later, I still have no idea who these deep staters are that Trump is allegedly firing. | ||
| More importantly, though, Alex is definitely gaslighting his audience about the firing of U.S. attorneys. | ||
| Let me just read to you from a March 10, 2017 article in Politico with the headline, Trump Team Ousts Obama Appointed U.S. Attorneys. | ||
| Quote, President Donald Trump's administration asked remaining U.S. attorneys appointed by President Barack Obama to offer their resignations Friday. | ||
| Huh, that's weird, because I just heard Alex say that Trump didn't fire any of them. | ||
| He didn't! | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They... | ||
| It's a forced resignation. | ||
| No, it's not a firing. | ||
| That's what all the fucking presidents do. | ||
| No, come on. | ||
| This is a super common thing for presidents to do. | ||
| So it isn't some kind of horrific thing Trump did or anything is worth getting up in arms about or anything. | ||
| And anybody who did was kind of being disingenuous because they were just trying to take shots at Trump. | ||
| Interestingly, this strategy of pointing the finger at Clinton's firing of U.S. attorneys to justify governmental firings has a very specific origin. | ||
| And that is the George W. Bush Justice Department. | ||
| In 2006, they wanted to get rid of eight U.S. attorneys who they didn't like. | ||
| And to deflect criticism, the talking point they deployed was to say that Clinton broke with tradition and fired all the U.S. attorneys when he took office. | ||
| This is disingenuous and also not true. | ||
| From the Bush administration? | ||
| Right. | ||
| For one, it was Reagan who began the practice of replacing attorneys back in 1981 when he replaced 71 out of the 93 U.S. attorneys that were in place. | ||
| The 2006 firings were a bit of a different situation, though, because they weren't being done as part of a transition. | ||
| Since you might recall, Bush took office in 2001. | ||
| This was very out of the ordinary, and the inspector general ended up releasing a report of an investigation that found that the firings were politically motivated, which was still frowned upon back then, the whole mingling of the Justice Department and partisan politics. | ||
| Oh, we were all so young. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So in order to deflect from what ended up being a pretty big scandal for Bush, they used the talking point that Clinton fired all the attorneys when he took office, and since then, it's just been repeated ad nauseum in right-wing media whenever they need to justify a politically motivated firing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Facing people in these positions as part of a transition is a normal part of running a presidential administration these days. | ||
| But firing a bunch of people for political reasons three years into your term is not. | ||
| That is very abnormal. | ||
| And you can't just say, what about the Clintons and make all these troubling aspects disappear. | ||
| But that's what Alex is doing. | ||
| And what's fascinating is that this is what right-wing hacks do. | ||
| This is what Alex pretended he wasn't. | ||
| This is what Glenn Beck would have done back in the Bush era. | ||
| This is what, I don't know, Rush Limbaugh would do. | ||
| Not me, man. | ||
| I'm above the political divide. | ||
| No, you're just using hacky GOP talking points. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if in 2003 he went after Bush for doing that. | ||
| It would not shock me at all. | ||
| It would be an easy place for him to score some points. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And he hates the Bushes, so... | ||
| So Alex gets to some interesting territory here. | ||
| He starts talking about not liking Q, QAnon. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which we've noticed in the past couple months he's been going pretty hard against Q. And he also admitted when he was talking to, I think it was Steve Pchenik he was talking to, he said that he tried to co-opt it from the inside so he could make money off it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Well, this clip has a little bit of both of those things in it. | ||
| And then, by the way... | ||
| I think the Q thing's been disinformation from the start and, you know, makes ridiculously easy predictions like the vote for impeachment will be along party lines. | ||
| That's very easy to predict. | ||
| But I'm not going to fight with folks that are into Q and like it and like to research things. | ||
| That's healthy to do. | ||
| There's a sticker in the package that says I am Q. Infowars.com. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Q's wonderful. | ||
| I've never been about infighting, so I'm not going to get into infighting with... | ||
| Well, the god of the universe, Q. So, I bow to Q. You are all powerful. | ||
| And we just have the sticker there now that says it. | ||
| I am Q. Infowars.com. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| It's wonderful. | ||
| So Alex is now selling these stickers that you put on your mouth at rallies, and one of them says IMQ. | ||
| So he's trying to profit off of... | ||
| It says IMQInfowars.com. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So he's like, ah, fucking Q's bullshit. | ||
| It's all nonsense. | ||
| But hey, man, let's make a few bucks. | ||
| Five bucks. | ||
| Five bucks a pop. | ||
| And you get to, I guess, carry out my weird little vendetta against nonsense. | ||
| If you need any indication of how insincere and full of shit and crass marketing motivates... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we get another example of the first clause being demolished by the second clause. | ||
| I've never been a big fan of infighting. | ||
| But Q sucks. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Lord Q! | ||
| I've never been into infighting. | ||
| It's also just patently hilarious. | ||
| I just hate Glenn Beck! | ||
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Go fuck yourself, Glenn Beck! | |
| You piece of shit! | ||
| You rip off all my stuff! | ||
| Hey, look, man, I don't like to fight. | ||
| I don't like infighting. | ||
| I'm not that guy. | ||
| So, Alex keeps calling this thing that Trump is doing, this purge, the Red Storm. | ||
| He's really trying to brand that pretty hard. | ||
| Trump has launched the Red Storm. | ||
| Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of firings. | ||
| They're whining. | ||
| They're complaining. | ||
| They've got their little boxes waddling out of the federal government. | ||
| The National Security Council, the State Department, the Justice Department. | ||
| They were leakers. | ||
| They were liars. | ||
| They were America haters. | ||
| And now, finally, Trump is becoming president. | ||
| So, I hear things like that, and first of all, I hear, like, man, there's some branding going on with this Red Storm thing. | ||
| That might have something to do with Q, because the storm is a Q thing. | ||
| Is it a Q thing? | ||
| That is a big Q thing, yeah. | ||
| The storm is upon us, that sort of shit. | ||
| I'm so glad I'd never look into Q shit. | ||
| Those guys are crazy. | ||
| And the second thing I think when I hear a clip like that is, like, Alex would be so fine with, like, the Night of Long Knives. | ||
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| He would be all about it. | ||
| He would buy into whatever the state propaganda was surrounding it and repeat it. | ||
| He would not be worried at all. | ||
| He'd just be like, look at this! | ||
| Hitler's great. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| He's purging the bad guys, everybody. | ||
| The Stasi is wonderful. | ||
| Ernst Romm was gay. | ||
| He was. | ||
| He was. | ||
| The end. | ||
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| We can't have that in the right. | ||
| Here he is at the sentence. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He was within. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Just replace that with that we're globalists. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's the same thing. | ||
| It's unfortunate that we used Nazi too much in the previous 12 years because now... | ||
| We really are living in Nazi shit, and it's been overdone. | ||
| We can't even call them Nazis in a way that matters. | ||
| Well, yeah, and I think that there's an interesting distinction between the specifics of Nazism and all that, not necessarily matching up, but the larger themes being very reminiscent. | ||
| Descent into fascism, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and the precision that's required with that language is something that I think even we aren't really necessarily equipped to handle. | ||
| And certainly Twitter isn't. | ||
| No. | ||
| What is Twitter equipped to handle? | ||
| Not much. | ||
| Fake joke formats? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think that's a good one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And getting everyone like me to say fleek. | ||
| Things are on fleek. | ||
| You never did that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You're not going to start now. | ||
| So Alex goes to calls and he takes calls. | ||
| And some of these people are pretty upsetting. | ||
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I think it's time to put the military in here. | |
| I think it's time to get going. | ||
| You know, we... | ||
| We can't deal with these people in the court system. | ||
| We just went through what Trump just went through And you know they're not going to stop. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| They were Americans doing it. | ||
| It's one thing. | ||
| But they are CHICOM and globalist funded. | ||
| As an ethos, they say America shouldn't exist. | ||
| So when you're a citizen that says the country shouldn't exist, and you're working to bankrupt it, and you're working to suppress other people, and all these Bernie Sanders people say they want to put us in death camps, Bernie's going to kill all of us! | ||
| You just outlaw it. | ||
| I mean, because listen, I'm not an authoritarian. | ||
| I'm the opposite of that. | ||
| Outlaw the Democratic Party. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm not an authoritarian. | ||
| I'm the opposite. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm the opposite of an authoritarian. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So we hear there, too, though, just to keep track of it, Alex is still pushing the outlaw the Democratic Party narrative, which is deeply upsetting. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| No, what we want is definitely for the military to cross the Rubicon, because as we know, that worked out fine. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| So Alex wants not only to outlaw... | ||
| Democratic Party people existing, or that party itself existing. | ||
| He also, as mirroring that caller, he wants due process revoked for enemies of Trump, which is upsetting. | ||
| They brought the authoritarianism. | ||
| They brought the cancer. | ||
| They brought the war. | ||
| And you're right, these aren't Americans. | ||
| And so how do you address something with normal means, normal measures, when it's not normal? | ||
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They already committed treason here. | |
| Of course they did. | ||
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From Obama all the way up to Hillary, these people have committed treason. | |
| And we can't go to the courts and try these people. | ||
| We need military tribunals. | ||
| Plain and simple. | ||
| Well, it is true. | ||
| That's what happened to the Nazis, but actually, it's real. | ||
| When a political system works in unison to destroy a country, you don't put them on criminal trial. | ||
| You have the military arrest them, and you have tribunals. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| So you're right. | ||
| So Alex is kind of right that after World War II, there were military tribunals for the Nazis, which is the Nuremberg trials. | ||
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Right. | |
| Those were technically military tribunals, but they're also held under the authority of international law, which I don't think Alex would be so into. | ||
| And I've actually heard him speak disparagingly of the Nuremberg trials for that exact reason. | ||
| Why were they so mean to those Nazis, Dan? | ||
| You know, a lot of people who maybe have cryptosympathies for Nazis. | ||
| Also, do make the argument that it's international law and I'm against that. | ||
| Yes, of course, of course. | ||
| But the Nuremberg trials weren't some kind of the summary kangaroo court nonsense Alex wants to use to send his enemies to Siberia or Guantanamo or whatever. | ||
| Military tribunals are appropriate for matters related to military justice, which is to say crimes committed by enlisted persons. | ||
| There's a very specific term for the use of military law enforcement or courts on civilians, which is what Alex is advocating here. | ||
| That term is martial law. | ||
| Which you'd think Alex would understand considering he's made an entire career yelling dire warnings about it. | ||
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| He's against it. | ||
| No, Alex is in favor of martial law. | ||
| Well, of course he's in favor of it, but he's against it. | ||
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| He's in favor because he thinks with Trump in charge of it, people like himself are in the clear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is pathetic stuff, but what it really reveals is how surface level any of his understanding is about even the main topics he covers or any of his positions. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| They all want an authoritarian fascist dictator. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex wants murder. | ||
| This is where things take a real weird turn. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Instead of the Marines, if Trump's going to do it, he needs covert action. | ||
| All he's going to do is the top leadership of the globalists, maybe 20 people, they all die in kayak accidents this week, and they'll stop right, cut the head off. | ||
| And I'm not going to do that myself, but I would support covert action. | ||
| I would support the president. | ||
| Anybody that's taking Chi-Con money, send in the teams and kill them. | ||
| But can you trust the people that will actually do that? | ||
| There's people that can be trusted to carry it out. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| That's upsetting. | ||
| Why would you even play that music? | ||
| They know they're not the good guys. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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| Oh, God. | ||
| That's why Alex quotes Palpatine all the time. | ||
| He knows that he's the bad guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's the bad guy. | ||
| So we now have Alex saying that he would support Trump enlisting assassination teams to covertly murder the heads of the globalist structure or whatever. | ||
| I guess David Rockefeller's already dead, so he's not going to be a target. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But if you're a regular listener of the show, you know what this means. | ||
| It means George Soros. | ||
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It means, of course, Brian fucking Stelter is in the mix. | |
| Stelter is gone, man. | ||
| He's in my list. | ||
| That was the first name I thought of. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You also have Bill and Melinda Gates. | ||
| You have Hillary Clinton, Obama. | ||
| And here's the thing. | ||
| All of those people are U.S. citizens. | ||
| Alex is explicitly calling for the targeted murder of U.S. citizens by a president. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It just can't be clear that what Alex wants is to live in the most brutally repressive dictatorship imaginable, just with his class of person not affected by that dictatorship. | ||
| All he wants is the secret police to become death squads and covertly murder all of his political enemies. | ||
| I don't understand what the problem here is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This is normal behavior. | ||
| Sending in the Marines, using military tribunals, martial law, outlawing rival political parties, assassinations of citizens who you politically disagree with. | ||
| This stuff is all pretty classic anti-democratic stuff. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It's time to get real about things. | ||
| Alex Jones doesn't hate liberals. | ||
| He hates liberalism. | ||
| He's against it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Anybody who took Chinese money. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| Kill them. | ||
| Including, I guess, all of us? | ||
| I don't know how you can not... | ||
| Where do you draw the line? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| When you say all of us, this podcast is not taking Chai Con money. | ||
| No, no, no, but... | ||
| Don't kill me. | ||
| I won't be in a kayak. | ||
| Anyway, Alex, you know, he gets down to talking about this, and he really starts talking about a lot of murders. | ||
| He's really on a murder kick here on the 12th. | ||
| 70 years ago at the end of World War II. | ||
| Was 97% rural. | ||
| Maybe 2% of them had electricity. | ||
| Maybe 10% had running water. | ||
| He's talking about China here. | ||
| Sorry, I should have set that up better. | ||
| And now they've got more industry than we do. | ||
| That was because globalists made deals to build them up artificially. | ||
| Because globalists own China. | ||
| That was their own investment going straight up. | ||
| That said... | ||
| Anybody that is in bed with the CHICOMs, once they got more arrogant in the last 20 years or so, they make you put one of their officers in your company. | ||
| What? | ||
| And so anybody that's got a Chinese intelligence agency operative in their deal, we don't need to sit there and let that damage the economy. | ||
| Let's just talk about what you actually do. | ||
| We kill the Chinese agents. | ||
| Not me. | ||
| I'm talking about Trump needs to have the military go kill him. | ||
| That's what you're supposed to do, okay? | ||
| Just kill him. | ||
| This is not acting tough. | ||
| It's not, oh, I'm a big man guy. | ||
| That's the default. | ||
| You got a foreign intelligence operative inside the Senate, inside the House, inside a U.S. corporation, kill him! | ||
| My God, it's not a big deal. | ||
| Go grab him out of their house at night and slit their damn throat. | ||
| That's what you're supposed to do. | ||
| Stop playing games here. | ||
| Kill the Chinese agents now. | ||
| Let's start there. | ||
| I don't really trust Alex to have a good gauge on who is a Chinese spy and who maybe is a Chinese business person or just a Chinese person. | ||
| Could be anybody. | ||
| I think this is a pretty bad departure down a weird road. | ||
| Alex is really just straight up calling for a lot of murders on this episode. | ||
| I don't know whether or not to be terrified of everything or just remember that he's a ridiculous Nonsense figure. | ||
| Like, you know? | ||
| Like, he's a clown, but at the same time, so was Pennywise. | ||
| Like, I don't know what to do here. | ||
| I think of, like... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I have a difficult time with... | ||
| Because I can't... | ||
| I don't take... | ||
| It can't take him too seriously. | ||
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Right. | |
| Of course not. | ||
| Because if you did, you'd just be like, I don't know what I would do if I took this seriously. | ||
| I mean, I take it seriously on a certain level. | ||
| Yeah, I just, like, it's one of those things where if we're, I've always said that he's like the weakest link of the right-wing propaganda chain. | ||
| And what worries me about this bullshit is how far up the chain does this kind of thinking go? | ||
| I don't think this goes very far. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| But I wouldn't have thought yesterday, before we started doing this show, that he was going to outright call for military tribunals and secret murders. | ||
| But I think that he's touched on that in the past, just not as overtly and insistently as he is on this episode. | ||
| I can't stress this enough. | ||
| We're going to hear a lot about killing people. | ||
| I really don't feel comfortable with that. | ||
| It keeps going. | ||
| Kill the foreign agents now, Trump. | ||
| And I know you've got the people ready to do it. | ||
| And don't be scared that, oh, they'll leak it to the media and then everyone's going to back you. | ||
| Kill them. | ||
| Kill them now. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Did he get some bad news about Sandy Hook? | ||
| See, that's what I kind of feel. | ||
| That's where I'm coming from right now. | ||
| It seems to me... | ||
| Of course, Alex is a gigantic narcissist, so whatever negative things are happening in his life get manifested as severe things that need to happen externally. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I stubbed my toe so Trump needs to murder people. | ||
| I wonder about that, but it would probably be irresponsible to assume that without any kind of evidence. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| But it does feel like... | ||
| Something personal is going on. | ||
| You're acting out in some way. | ||
| That's really weird. | ||
| Because he's a child. | ||
| And I think when we get to the 13th, we'll have a little bit more information to go on even from there that something might be going bad personally. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I have no idea what that would be. | ||
| For now, it's just murder talk. | ||
| You turn loose the U.S. military on known Chinese agents inside the United States. | ||
| It's legal. | ||
| It's lawful. | ||
| They're involved in espionage in our country. | ||
| We're not going to have trials or big, long events or a bunch of crying about it or wringing our hands. | ||
| You do what the Chi-Coms do. | ||
| If they catch U.S. agents over there, they kill them. | ||
| I really don't think it's cool to kill these people because China would do it. | ||
| I don't think that's a strong argument. | ||
| If I'm not much mistaken, I believe that Alex constantly talks about how the Chinese government is satanic and evil. | ||
| So it seems dumb to justify your own behavior by saying that China would do it. | ||
| Perhaps there are better countries to aspire to when you want to compare yourself to something. | ||
| Well, they're satanic and evil, so it's a good idea for us to be satanic and evil. | ||
| That makes perfect sense. | ||
| That's basically the argument that Alex is making. | ||
| Haven't you ever read the Bible, Dan? | ||
| Alex loves the Bible, and clearly in the Bible it says... | ||
| Jesus mentioned a sword once. | ||
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Turn the other cheek to evil. | |
| Anyway, more murder talk. | ||
| Kill them. | ||
| Kill them now. | ||
| Let's just start there. | ||
| Let's just start there. | ||
| And you watch the Democrats in the deep state, yellow bellies, as soon as their controllers are all dead, let's stop playing games. | ||
| It's so easy. | ||
| It's so easy. | ||
| It's like pumpkin pie, man. | ||
| It's like eating a piece of pumpkin pie with whipped cream on top. | ||
| This is not hard to do, and it needs to be done, and America needs to stop rolling over to this BS. | ||
| It feels good saying that, doesn't it? | ||
| Because that's what we're supposed to do. | ||
| So I think this is obviously a more real version of Alex that we're seeing here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's why he says it feels good to say things like, kill them now. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He thinks that Trump is doing this. | ||
| He's executing a purge of hundreds of globalists and dissenters in the government, and Alex knows what comes along with that historically. | ||
| Targeted killings. | ||
| Trump is not firing all of Alex's imagined enemies, but Alex is operating as if that were the case, so what he's doing is creating a pretext for and justification for Trump to carry out political assassinations, which would be the next logical step down this road. | ||
| Alex is even creating a rationale to ignore the very understandable backlash that would come from Trump doing something like this. | ||
| Alex is saying that the Democrats would freak out, which naturally they would if the president were carrying out extrajudicial assassinations, but Alex is pre-framing it. | ||
| Is them freaking out because their supposed handlers are being taken out? | ||
| If Alex were specifically trying to prepare his audience to accept a dictator, he could barely ever do a better job than what he's doing now. | ||
| I think one of my biggest problems here is that not only is he normalizing this language and this kind of thought process for his listeners, but I can feel it hitting me. | ||
| Like, oh, is this the level of conversation that we're at? | ||
| We're not. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying, but I can feel that... | ||
| Desire to participate in it. | ||
| That's our conversation now, you know? | ||
| That might be you. | ||
| No, I don't mean that in a... | ||
| I'm just... | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| There's an effect that it has. | ||
| It's fucking with my head, at least. | ||
| Right, because it's so far outside the realm of acceptable that it's like a shift. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's a jarring shift that happens. | ||
| It's like the Overton window just got exploded and everybody's getting murdered. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| There's more. | ||
| Push the lawyers out of this discussion. | ||
| Because the lawyers will lose this country for us real fast. | ||
| Lawyers didn't start this country. | ||
| Lawyers didn't win World War II. | ||
| They didn't win the War of 1812. | ||
| They won't do anything but lose the country. | ||
| What? | ||
| Now is the time to kill. | ||
| And to have the killer instinct and to stop worrying about it. | ||
| Chai comms came here. | ||
| They expect... | ||
| To overrun us and defeat us. | ||
| Instead, they die. | ||
| Now, I'm going to stop talking about that and go to your phone calls. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| I do recall it was lawyers specifically who allowed Canadians to burn down the White House. | ||
| That was the lawyers. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They were like, hey, I'm sorry. | ||
| We passed a law just recently. | ||
| Everybody has to uphold the law. | ||
| The Canadians get to burn down the White House. | ||
| It's just the rule. | ||
| Yeah, so we... | ||
| That was a bad chunk of this episode. | ||
| A lot of murder. | ||
| Alex really wants Trump to dole out some murder. | ||
| But he does get to some calls. | ||
| All of his callers want to dole out some murder, too? | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| I wouldn't say they universally don't, but some of them have other points. | ||
| And one of them brings up something that would normally cause Alex to really freak out, but weirdly doesn't. | ||
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I discovered you on, of all things, A shortwave radio. | |
| And I've been listening to you ever since. | ||
| So that was back in the William Cooper days. | ||
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No kidding, my friend. | |
| That's weird. | ||
| Because generally when a caller brings up William Cooper, Alex gets mad at them. | ||
| So Alex now refers to the shortwave period of the William Cooper days. | ||
| That's very weird to me. | ||
| I don't know what it means, but I always try and point out any time his name comes up. | ||
| I always take notice of it. | ||
| And it's usually anger. | ||
| In this case, it's just like, ah, William Cooper. | ||
| Hey, those were the days when I was stealing everything from him and he was still alive. | ||
| Salad days. | ||
| Now I'm just stealing everything after his death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A caller wants to talk about the coronavirus, which is suspiciously much less important on the show. | ||
| Well, he's out of food. | ||
| It seems like maybe the products have sold out, and no need to scare people about that anymore. | ||
| That was important. | ||
| Leave that on the back burner for when the supplies come back in. | ||
| I can rebuild those narratives. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You know, whatever. | ||
| We'll keep the plate spinning a little bit, but no need to freak everyone out by saying shit like... | ||
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It's over for humanity. | |
| There will only be lone survivors. | ||
| So this caller wants to talk about it, and he has a theory about what's going on. | ||
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I'd like to bring up the virus over there in China. | |
| I don't know if this has been discussed, and I'll try to make it quick, my friend. | ||
| This over there, what's happening with this virus, do you think they are using that as a false flag in the manner of now they're rounding up the protesters that were protesting over there and saying, oh, these people are loaded with a virus, but we're going to make it look like we're taking them out of their homes because of the virus. | ||
| Are they arresting these people and never to be seen again? | ||
| I mean, it's confirmed what you said. | ||
| They were losing the fight with the Hong Kong and Taiwanese protesters. | ||
| The Chinese government lost its fight with Trump on the economic war. | ||
| And so this is a giant face-saving measure, and we know they're using it. | ||
| As a pretext around the political incident. | ||
| So Alex has got this caller who suggests that the coronavirus is not real at all. | ||
| And it's just a pretext that's being used to round up the political dissent. | ||
| And Alex says that's been proven. | ||
| I thought it was a race-specific bioweapon. | ||
| Well, it was. | ||
| But now it's a false flag. | ||
| It's not even real. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| Don't even worry about it. | ||
| Anyway, Alex has Francis Boyle coming back on the show. | ||
| Hooray. | ||
| And it's interesting to me about this. | ||
| This interview is completely set up based on a lie. | ||
| The next hour, we've got Francis Boyle popping in to talk about how he called Friday for Trump to come out and say it may be a bioweapon. | ||
| Trump did that hours later, and now the Chinese ambassador has responded, so that's all coming up. | ||
| This is a lie. | ||
| Isn't he talking about Cotton? | ||
| Didn't Tom Cotton, Senator Lunatic Tom Cotton, come out and say that it's a... | ||
| Bioweapon or something? | ||
| No, Tom Cotton's speech, I'm not sure if he said it was a man-made thing, but the speech that Cotton gave... | ||
| That Alex has played has to do with it not coming from the seafood market. | ||
| The origin not being specifically known. | ||
| But Alex is completely lying about the Francis Boyle thing. | ||
| That announcement from Trump's science guy was the day before Francis Boyle's interview on Infowars. | ||
| This whole timeline is fucked in order to make it be like Trump is listening to Infowars so when Boyle was last on we made that happen. | ||
| And for Boyle to not push back on that is deeply fucked up. | ||
| So anyway, he has an interview coming up. | ||
| Alex comes back into break. | ||
| It was some music. | ||
| This is kind of funny. | ||
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Don't know much about history. | |
| Oh, you're a Democrat. | ||
| What? | ||
| Oh, you're a Democrat. | ||
| I think men are women. | ||
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Oh, you're definitely a Democrat. | |
| That's right. | ||
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But I do know that I love the devil. | |
| What a wonderful pedophile. | ||
| All right, at the end there, the meter didn't quite work. | ||
| Didn't work out, no. | ||
| Too many syllables. | ||
| I think that it's really funny, the you love the devil part. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That is fantastic. | ||
| That's prime Alex karaoke. | ||
| That's wonderful. | ||
| But I think that what's really funny is, along the way, is like, I don't know much about history. | ||
| Oh, you're a Democrat. | ||
| When it gets to the French I took, don't know much about the French I took, he doesn't know where to go with it. | ||
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Nothing. | |
| No clue. | ||
| He doesn't say, oh, French, Democrats don't know French. | ||
| Fries? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Toast? | |
| He gets thrown. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Just keep the riff going. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| It is a classic. | ||
| Democrats don't know French. | ||
| Just say they don't know French. | ||
| But the French are weak and they love the Democrats and the globalists. | ||
| He's trapped by the lyrics of this song. | ||
| Because all the Democrats have to know French. | ||
| Makes perfect sense. | ||
| So we get into a new coronavirus conspiracy thing going on here at the behest of another caller. | ||
| It's interesting this one hasn't come up yet. | ||
| It's really dumb. | ||
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If you go to Healthline, how flu and HIV meds may help fight the new coronavirus. | |
| Come on. | ||
| How is a HIV medication supposed to help this bat virus or whatever you want to call it? | ||
| This is man-made meds. | ||
| This is man-made. | ||
| It has the HIV delivery system. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And they're like, oh, don't worry. | ||
| HIV medicine helps. | ||
| So this is one of the coronavirus conspiracy talking points. | ||
| Like I said, I'm surprised we haven't heard it come up yet. | ||
| The basic idea is that some medications that are used to treat HIV are also being used to treat cases of coronavirus, and thus they must be the same condition, or at very least, coronavirus has parts of HIV mixed into it. | ||
| This is a really sloppy conspiracy, and it's pretty easy to explain why medications that are used to treat persons with HIV would also have applications in this context. | ||
| It sounds like they don't know much about biology, Dan. | ||
| That seems like... | ||
| Maybe they're Democrats. | ||
| One of the big issues here is that the list of FDA-approved antiviral drugs is not a long list. | ||
| And a lot of the ones that do exist are used as part of normal treatment plans for people with HIV. | ||
| When a new virus pops up, oftentimes doctors will try the existing antivirals to see if they work, and this will ultimately always be someone that you could claim is quote, treating the new virus with HIV meds, since almost all antivirals could reductively be called HIV meds. | ||
| The issue here is that these drugs will not likely be effective in the treatment of coronavirus. | ||
| The issue is that the heightened panic surrounding the virus, there's a real fear that the demand for the antiviral drugs will increase to the point where people with HIV could have a more difficult time getting their meds. | ||
| The concern is that there are people pushing misinformation, like these antivirals are a cure or solid preventative measure against the coronavirus. | ||
| People will take that misinformation and rush out to buy out the antiviral meds, which will leave the supply not able to meet the demand of people who actually need them. | ||
| The actual picture of the situation is pretty complex. | ||
| There are some doctors who are experimenting with using medications that are used to manage HIV with patients who have the coronavirus. | ||
| But that absolutely doesn't mean that they're a treatment for the virus. | ||
| Nor is it proof that there's some sort of coronavirus conspiracy going on here. | ||
| Coronasphere. | ||
| Coronaspiracy. | ||
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Right. | |
| Can't make it work. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, so that's all just a bunch of nonsense. | ||
| But again, I'm surprised it hasn't come up yet, and it's weak shit. | ||
| So Alex gets to this interview with Francis Boyle, and he once again repeats that timeline lie in the introduction, which again, I have to stress, if you're Francis Boyle, you can't allow yourself to be presented like this. | ||
| It's disqualifying. | ||
| All right, he joined us last week and said it needs to be investigated as a bioweapon. | ||
| And we've had one of Trump's spokespersons come out and say the same thing just a few hours later. | ||
| So I wanted to get an update from Dr. Francis Boyle, who wrote the U.S. Biological Weapons. | ||
| So everything is wrong about that timeline in the intro. | ||
| Like we pointed out a hundred times, the interview that he did was after Trump's science guy came out and made that statement. | ||
| But the other problem with the timelines here is that Alex is saying that Boyle's draft of the U.S. Bioweapons Act was adopted into the U.N. Biological Weapons Convention. | ||
| After. | ||
| But that's backwards. | ||
| It is. | ||
| The U.N. version was adopted on March 6th. | ||
| 1975, whereas the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act was adopted by the United States on May 22, 1990. | ||
| The US version was built from the UN version, not the other way around, but Alex doesn't want that to be the appearance. | ||
| If Alex allows reality to exist here, he has to admit that his guest was someone who took international law and applied it to our own sovereign nation, which is globalism and the very definition of evil, according to Alex. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| If it's the other way around, that Boyle wrote the law, which the UN then adopted, then he can pretend that it's just good Americana, that they ended up forcing the UN to enact. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| If it weren't for us, the UN never would have done it, Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're the heroes. | ||
| These are the little things that most people probably wouldn't see and think that Alex is stupid or has no idea what he's talking about. | ||
| And I agree. | ||
| He is stupid and he doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| But it's important to understand that there are reasons when he makes glaring errors like this consistently. | ||
| If Alex had said that Boyle's law became UN law once, I probably wouldn't think twice about it. | ||
| I'd just say it was a slip-up or he's being stupid. | ||
| Alex says that all the time, and the reason is to cover up for the fact that Boyle is in favor of international law, and by Alex's rubric... | ||
| He's a globalist. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| He's bad, except for when he's good. | ||
| And when he's good, he's on my show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The end. | ||
| So that timeline issue, though, with the interview and Trump's spokesman coming out is murky. | ||
| Because, if you'll recall, Alex didn't read the article about Trump's spokesman. | ||
| And he took one of the people who gave comment for that article, Anthony Fauci, and decided that he's Trump's top science advisor. | ||
| And he's coming out, he's blowing the whistle that this thing's man-made. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And he's a hero. | ||
| Unfortunately, Francis Boyle has some news about Anthony Fauci. | ||
| Tony Fauci has been up to his eyeballs in this Nazi biowarfare work for years. | ||
| The same is true for the Center for Disease Control. | ||
| So now, Anthony Fauci is now, according to Alex's big special expert, someone who's knee-deep in Nazi science projects. | ||
| Right, so I imagine Alex is going to... | ||
| This hurts the narrative! | ||
| He's going to immediately agree with him and then scrub the article from Infowars off of his site. | ||
| Well, it's a difficult position that this puts Alex in because the whole narrative was that Anthony Fauci is this hero who's coming out... | ||
| Prompted by Francis Boyle's interview on Infowars that Trump heard and he forced Anthony Fauci to come out and blow the alarm. | ||
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Yep. | |
| All of this. | ||
| So Alex tries to save this a little bit, but I don't think he does it well. | ||
| So, without me asking the questions here, you're the expert. | ||
| Right after you come on, right after Senator Cotton says he should be looked at as man-made, the Indian Institute saying it looks man-made, showing where it's clearly been gene-edited. | ||
| Not getting into whether Fauci's good or not. | ||
| I respect you. | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| They are responding, and Cotton's come out again, and now the Chinese ambassador will say, hey, no big deal if Fauci's a Nazi scientist. | ||
| Hey, look, I respect you. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Hey, let's leave that aside. | ||
| Separate the art from the artist, Dan. | ||
| That's weak shit. | ||
| That's what you gotta do. | ||
| That's real weak shit. | ||
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You know what? | |
| It's about what he's doing now. | ||
| Sure, he's a Nazi biological warfare science, but you know what? | ||
| Even the blind squirrel finds the occasional lie. | ||
| What Nazi projects have you done for me lately? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So Francis Boyle has nothing really to offer. | ||
| It's a really boring interview. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
| And so we're not going to listen to any more of it because Alex gets back to murder. | ||
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Why doesn't he utilize the black ops teams, the mercenaries? | |
| Those are the trained killers he needs. | ||
| The problem is he's surrounded by traitors. | ||
| He can't trust any of them. | ||
| But we're entering a wheelhouse now where the deep state keeps trying to overthrow him where he won't have a choice. | ||
| Which, I don't think we should even be happy about this, but it is what it is. | ||
| They're bringing us to a place we don't want to go, but we didn't take us there, so it's not our fault once we get there. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Not our fault when we politically assassinate people. | ||
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We didn't. | |
| You guys have wanted to murder for a long time. | ||
| Now you just get to say it. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| This is just cowardly. | ||
| Yeah, just stop it. | ||
| Don't blame it on us. | ||
| You want to murder people you disagree with, so fucking say it. | ||
| But they can't, because even Alex knows that that isn't appropriate. | ||
| Yeah, well, yeah. | ||
| So anyway, this leads to Alex just listing people that Trump needs to kill. | ||
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Yes, Alex, you were talking about it before. | |
| I'm sorry, the caller. | ||
| It lists people who Trump needs to kill. | ||
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The guys we gotta get out of there are Zoros, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, and the Clintons. | |
| And then the rest are gonna fall like dominoes. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We don't need a big Marines invade DC. | ||
| We just gotta go after the snake. | ||
| And I'm not saying we're gonna do it. | ||
| And don't say that for a place of fear. | ||
| It's not our place. | ||
| Trump needs to cut the head off a snake. | ||
| So this caller lists specific people that Trump needs to kill, and Alex says, yup. | ||
| He doesn't like Obama's work with Netflix. | ||
| He's not a big fan. | ||
| That's probably what this is about. | ||
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that's what's going on. | ||
| So we have one last clip here from February 12th, and then Alex is, like, getting into this weird headspace about, like, they've come at me. | ||
| They've come at me. | ||
| You know, he's already been in this, like, you need to murder all these people. | ||
| And this feels like slightly a justification, like, I've been wronged. | ||
| And it's just such bullshit. | ||
| It was probably, like, eight, nine months ago that the Department of Justice under these people investigated my dad, who did nothing. | ||
| He's not even involved with the company much. | ||
| He does some bookkeeping and then product development. | ||
| But they knew I loved my dad. | ||
| Okay, what else? | ||
| I told them, I said, Dad, you ready to go to prison? | ||
| He goes, yeah, I'm ready. | ||
| I go, yeah, we're not backing down. | ||
| And the system was like, really? | ||
| You don't care about your daddy? | ||
| And I said, he's an old man. | ||
| He's ready to go. | ||
| I said, you can literally... | ||
| I went crazy, actually. | ||
| But I'm not going to get into what happened behind the scenes. | ||
| But they realized, I don't care about me. | ||
| So they thought they'd mess with my dad. | ||
| And my dad was like... | ||
| Destroy me. | ||
| It was totally made up. | ||
| They're like, we're going to indict your father. | ||
| And that's the level of the scum. | ||
| You cannot even imagine the filth. | ||
| So there's a good reason the people from the Department of Justice might have been making inquiries to Alex's dad a while back, and that's because Roger Stone was on trial and he was an employee at InfoWars. | ||
| Now, as much as Alex wants to say his dad's barely involved in the company, on many occasions, Alex's dad, David Jones, has been presented as the head of HR, Human Resources, at InfoWars' parent company, Free Speech Systems. | ||
| When Alex was facing EEOC complaints from Ashley Beckford and Rob Jacobson, David Jones was the human resources director that he fielded media requests. | ||
| In other news stories, he's been given that title, and by all appearances, he's the person who's in charge of staffing and employee-related issues for the company. | ||
| On December 18, 2018, Alex's dad was deposed in the Pepe the Frog lawsuit. | ||
| But what's this? | ||
| He wasn't deposed as himself. | ||
| He was the corporate representative of free speech systems, which led to this exchange, which when I went back and read the deposition, I read it a while back, but now after the Rob Du deposition, this is particularly funny. | ||
| Here's a question from the lawyer. | ||
| You understand you've been designated as the corporate representative of free speech systems at today's deposition, correct? | ||
| Response, who designated me that? | ||
| I suppose I was advised by email some time ago that they were going to have a corporate designate, and I had agreed at the time that I'd be willing if it was prudent. | ||
| Question. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And did anyone advise you that you were, in fact, going to be the corporate designee for free speech systems? | ||
| Answer. | ||
| I think I was advised, but I didn't really realize the full impact of that, but yes. | ||
| It seems like this is a pattern for Alex and his lawsuits, just making someone he thinks he can trust be the corporate representative for his company and having them go into the deposition completely unprepared and stonewalled the whole thing. | ||
| He did that with Rob Dew in the Sandy Hook trial, and he did it with his own fucking father in this case. | ||
| It's a very clear strategy Alex and his lawyers employ to derail and slow down trials that they know they're going to lose. | ||
| And man, it's just wild to read that transcript of the 2018 deposition and realize that Alex was willing to put his dad in the position of being a pawn in that kind of a game. | ||
| He's a real piece of shit. | ||
| They know I don't care about myself, so they went after my dad. | ||
| Surprise! | ||
| I don't care about him either! | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Nobody! | ||
| I don't like anybody! | ||
| I want to kill! | ||
| I just want to kill! | ||
| The globalists and I were trying to take out Alex's dad. | ||
| for his human resources so he could have a person he trusts in that position. | ||
| And there are consequences to moves like that. | ||
| when one of your employees is facing federal charges, it may be a thing where your dad ends up getting a message from the prosecutors. | ||
| Or, I don't know, let's say another one of your former employees, let's just call him Jerome Corsi, tries to sue you, and his contention is that he was wrongly terminated as part of the discussion and might end up getting your head of human resources, in this case, your father, involved in that legal matter. | ||
| This is how narcissists operate. | ||
| When they're facing the consequences of their own actions, they're not able to accept them on reality's terms, so the consequences themselves become a part of a larger attack, thereby allowing Alex to maintain and even expand his own fix. | ||
| That is completely normal and a predictable thing to have happen. | ||
| But to Alex, this becomes the globalist trying to investigate and take out his poor, innocent, completely uninvolved father because they're sick and they target your loved ones. | ||
| This is just really sad levels of Alex acting out his own issues on his audience. | ||
| It's wild to think that his dad hasn't checked this stuff by this point. | ||
| Just allows it to continue. | ||
| I just don't think he gives a shit. | ||
| It must be a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah, it's gotta be. | ||
| Or his dad must be way crazier on the John Birch tip than we know. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| It's very plausible that he is far more of a zealot than we know because he keeps such a low profile and refuses to come on Alex's show. | ||
| It might just be that he's a smart version of that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, obviously, if you're the head of HR, there's a tacit endorsement of whatever it is Alex says. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I mean, if you don't... | ||
| It becomes murky whenever it's like your family, and maybe you didn't want to be a dentist anymore or whatever. | ||
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Sure, yeah, yeah. | |
| Who knows? | ||
| So we jump to the 13th, and Alex is feeling real good about Roger's chances, and he makes a little bit of a prediction here out of the gate. | ||
| Massive outrage across not just the U.S., but the world. | ||
| No one is buying this miscarriage of justice. | ||
| And I predict that within two weeks, Roger Stone will be back co-hosting this broadcast and the war room. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And the silencing of this American patriot who was punished for helping advise President Trump, getting President Trump to want to run for office, making President Trump believe he could win. | ||
| President Trump would not be president if it wasn't for Roger Stone. | ||
| So this is a very dangerous mentality that Alex is expressing, because at its core, what it does is it makes it so anyone on your team can commit any crime they want. | ||
| When Alex says that Roger is being prosecuted because he helped Trump get elected, on one level, what he's saying isn't true. | ||
| But on a deeper level, it's also very not true. | ||
| It's, uh, yeah. | ||
| The issue is that Roger is not being prosecuted for that. | ||
| He's going to prison for actual crimes he committed and was found guilty by a jury for. | ||
| I've never actually even heard Alex discuss the real charges that Roger was convicted of. | ||
| Not once have I heard Alex discuss the very clear, open-and-shut witness intimidation that Roger engaged in with Randy Credico. | ||
| He never talks about the reality of the charges because the reality of Roger's actions has been replaced with a facade. | ||
| Which can be easily summed up as, it doesn't matter what the charges are because he didn't do it, and even if he did, they're only charging him because he supports Trump. | ||
| No matter what you do, if you're on the team, it doesn't matter. | ||
| I've heard that the ends justify the means, and I can't think of any possible morality that would contradict that. | ||
| It's important to understand this dynamic, because it's the way Alex needs to present this person. | ||
| They have to be a pure hero. | ||
| So whatever the reality of this stuff that is actually happening, don't even talk about it. | ||
| Alex knows what charges Roger's been convicted of. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| He knows that a jury found him guilty. | ||
| He knows all of these things. | ||
| But he can't discuss any of that because he's a good guy. | ||
| He's on the team. | ||
| This is important. | ||
| I need to make a point of this because it is relevant later. | ||
| Oh, I just can't believe that he still hasn't figured out that Roger Stone has greatly contributed to ruining his life. | ||
| It's insane how severe... | ||
| You can't possibly want Roger Stone back. | ||
| He ruined your fucking life, man. | ||
| Yeah, but if he ruined his life, maybe he can save the ship. | ||
| No! | ||
| He doesn't care about you. | ||
| So Alex predicts that Trump's going to pardon Roger, and that's cool. | ||
| Trump is currently preparing to pardon... | ||
| Roger Stone. | ||
| And CNN and MSNBC are up there spinning going, he can't do that. | ||
| That's obstruction of justice. | ||
| No, that's why you have an executive branch that's co-equal to the legislative and the judicial, so that when those get out of control, it could be a check on the other. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And vice versa. | ||
| It's called separation of powers, and it's part of our federal system. | ||
| Oh, I apologize. | ||
| This is just good old-fashioned separation of powers stuff. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's not separation of powers when the executive branch intervenes to overrule the judicial on a matter that's specifically related to the criminal affairs of the head of the executive branch. | ||
| What Alex is describing is how a normal pardon might work. | ||
| But in this case, Trump would be absolutely out of line to pardon Roger given that his conviction, again by a jury, was related to impeding the investigation into the criminal affairs of Trump. | ||
| Pardoning Roger would be more or less just Trump. | ||
| It'd be him sending out a very overt message that if you commit crimes to protect his crimes, he's got your back and you won't do any time. | ||
| It's the definition of corrupt. | ||
| And I suspect that's why, again, they're going with the Bill Barr route first. | ||
| There needs to be a pretext for this, since it really feels like, as eroded as our system is now, it still seems like that would be a breach of norms. | ||
| Like, using a presidential pardon to get your friend who's in prison for lying to impede an investigation into your actions, it seems like even as bad as things are now, that's still too on the nose. | ||
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Nope. | |
| You're probably right, but... | ||
| It is getting really frustrating that nobody in the media is willing to just point out that the big reason Trump is getting away with all of this shit is because we're all kind of afraid that if we hold him accountable, his supporters will start murdering people in the streets. | ||
| Like, that is kind of a big deal that is unspoken underneath. | ||
| I'm not saying they will, but there's the fear of it that's very real. | ||
| I don't know if that's motivating as much as you think. | ||
| It might be a piece of it for some folks, but I don't know how widespread that is as a motivating factor for the people in the media. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| I have no knowledge. | ||
| I think I would prefer that to the admission that both the Democratic Party and the media are essentially useless and pointless. | ||
| I just really wish that that wasn't true. | ||
| It could just be that obsession of appearing neutral. | ||
| The Democrats love that obsession with appearing neutral. | ||
| You have to present climate change denial as... | ||
| Teach the controversy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That mentality does impede people to an extent or even probably more than a fear of Trump supporters murdering people. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Alex has decided that he's probably going to maybe, I don't know, possibly go to CPAC to cause a publicity stunt. | ||
| And he complains about CPAC a little bit here. | ||
| Seems like a new obsession. | ||
| He talks about it a bit on this episode, like how much he doesn't like CPAC and how they're all cowards. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll give him that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, CPAC's so cowardly. | ||
| the Republican blue bloods that still control it, that people like Roger Stone aren't even welcome there, or people like myself that actually got Trump elected. | ||
| That shows you what Trump's up against, though. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| If I show up at C-SPAC, we'll just totally steal the show and take the whole thing over. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I don't need to do that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ah, yes, Jordan, the notoriously restrained and cowardly CPAC. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who could forget how cookie-cutter and safe their speaker list was in 2019 when they had Sebastian Gorka, Diamond and Silk, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Glenn Beck, Dennis Prager, and, oh, who's this, Donald Trump as speakers. | ||
| I can think of maybe two or three people on that list who haven't outright committed crimes. | ||
| CPAC is not afraid to have complete shitheads and conmen as speakers. | ||
| They just don't want ones who are bad for the brand. | ||
| That's why they disinvited Milo after people started talking about those pro-pedophilia comments he'd made in the past. | ||
| That's why they disinvited Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft after he started spreading conspiracy Yeah. | ||
| Also, CPAC might not want to invite Roger because in 2018, he was involved in the first year of a rival conservative conference called the American Priority Conference, which was trying to brand itself as the CPAC for Trump people. | ||
| That conference probably coincidentally was held at a Trump hotel and involved a whole lot of shitheads saying dumb conspiracy stuff and selling idiots' knickknacks. | ||
| Nah, I can't think of any problems there. | ||
| Incidentally, along with Roger Stone, the American Priority Conference 2018 also had speakers like Stefan Manu, Laura Loomer, Mike Cernovich, and Anthony Scaramucci, whose speech apparently was mostly about how QAnon is real. | ||
| This is the lane that Roger belongs in. | ||
| And even fucking CPAC understands that. | ||
| They aren't afraid to have him come speak. | ||
| It's just that he's an embarrassing criminal asshole who belongs at a conference along with other losers like Laura Loomer and Stefan Molyneux. | ||
| Yeah, we prefer other embarrassing criminal assholes. | ||
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Right. | |
| The funniest thing here, though, is that Alex probably wouldn't even be invited to speak at the American Priority Conference. | ||
| Too toxic. | ||
| Yeah, his brand is too bad. | ||
| He's not even on Facebook. | ||
| For the Junior Varsity Super Toxic Brands Welcome version of CPAC. | ||
| And that's a good call on their part. | ||
| You can't invite Alex because then he would make your event all about himself. | ||
| He's so desperate at this point that he could be completely welcome somewhere and he'd still show up in a tank with a bullhorn acting like he's breaking in. | ||
| No one needs that. | ||
| He steals focus to a point where it's just like, just calm down, dick. | ||
| Whatever benefit or gain there could be from having Alex anywhere is far outweighed by having Alex anywhere. | ||
| So at this point, Alex, it's actually a little bit refreshing in some ways, even though what he does is terrible and awful. | ||
| But we've been so starved for any different content because of all the obsession about the coronavirus. | ||
| And now, like, okay, you got the Roger stuff really taking over, and the DOJ and Trump pardoning, which leads him to the murder obsession on the last episode. | ||
| I do kind of regret wishing for a change from the coronavirus stuff if the change is... | ||
| Murder the Chinese! | ||
| Murder the Chinese! | ||
| I do regret feeling a little desire there. | ||
| It seems like it's been a long time since there have just been, like, stray headlines and stuff. | ||
| And Alex gets to one here, and I think it's a teachable moment. | ||
| I saw a story yesterday where two... | ||
| Somali migrants went on a spree robbing, stabbing, attackings for days. | ||
| Well, you got to give it up to them. | ||
| And the judges said, you can go free. | ||
| It's a religious virtue signal sacrament. | ||
| And you say to yourself, why are they doing that? | ||
| It's a plan to bring down the civilization. | ||
| So I think this is a perfect example of how bad Alex is at his job. | ||
| Like, what is he talking about? | ||
| No clue. | ||
| You hear him telling a story about some Somali immigrants who went on a spree of crimes but were let go because the left is into letting non-white people get away with crime so as to bring about the end of civilization. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's what Alex always does. | ||
| But when you take a step back, what do you know about the underlying story that he's telling? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Based on the details Alex provides, we don't know anything about this. | ||
| I don't know where they're at. | ||
| We don't know what country it took place in. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| This isn't covering a story. | ||
| This is gossiping about a headline he might have skimmed, or more likely, it's just Alex making up a story in order to justify him going into a xenophobic rant, which is what he was going to do whether or not he had a story to base it on or not. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Why are you even pretending anymore? | ||
| You can't track down this story based on the details Alex provides, and that's intentional. | ||
| He doesn't want to portray reality or help his listeners come to a better understanding of the world. | ||
| He wants to reinforce and harden their fear of the left and people who don't look like them. | ||
| I decided to see if I could trace down the story that Alex is covering, you know, for fun. | ||
| InfoWars website was no help. | ||
| There wasn't any story like this on there, so I started Googling. | ||
| I just like that sentence. | ||
| InfoWars website was no help. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Put that on my tombstone. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| So here's the most recent story that matched some key words. | ||
| From February 2nd, 2020. | ||
| Quote, Judge refuses to vacate Somali pirates' sentence. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Gotta give it up to him. | ||
| This was a story from the Elko Daily Free Press, covering a federal judge's ruling in Virginia that a Somali pirate could not have his sentence thrown out, which he was seeking because he claimed that his lawyer was ineffective in the underlying trial. | ||
| The judge said, nope. | ||
| And that Somali man is still in prison. | ||
| And they let him go free. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| So that's kind of the opposite of the story that Alex is telling. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| You'd think that based on the narrative that Alex is selling, this pirate would be exactly the sort of person the federal judge would release as a perfect religious virtue signal sacrament. | ||
| But it looks like the reality is the opposite in this case. | ||
| I kept looking. | ||
| And there's only one Somali pirate, I believe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just kept looking. | ||
| I couldn't find any evidence of judges releasing any Somali immigrants for stabbings. | ||
| So I started searching for Somali and spree, those words, to see if anything came up. | ||
| And there was one story from September 2019 out of Minneapolis. | ||
| But this wasn't about a Somali immigrant going on a stabbing spree. | ||
| It was about a guy named Harlan St. John getting arrested for going on a vandalism spree, smashing out the windows of Somali-owned businesses, because, as he told the police, quote, Somali people are selling meth and heroin to Native people. | ||
| So that's not the case Alex is talking about. | ||
| I also don't think that guy was talking about First Nations. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think he was. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think he was talking about a different kind of, quote, Native people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wanted to be cute about this, but honestly, I have no idea what story Alex is talking about. | ||
| And that's kind of my main point. | ||
| If I, someone who's actively trying to figure out what story Alex is talking about, have no idea, people who are just passively listening have no clue what's going on and what's real and what Alex is just making up. | ||
| When people in positions like Alex are vague, it's because they're making things up. | ||
| If Alex really had a case of a Somali spree stabber who'd gone free because it was a religious sacrament of virtue signaling for the left to let immigrants commit crimes, It would probably be in his interest to actually cover the details of the story. | ||
| What's the name of the alleged stabber? | ||
| What's the name of the judge? | ||
| What city did it happen in? | ||
| Fuck, what country did it happen in? | ||
| What are the circumstances of the case? | ||
| He doesn't do any of that because he's not covering the news. | ||
| He's creating a feeling. | ||
| And that feeling is supposed to be purely anti-left and anti-non-whites. | ||
| Details just get in the way of that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That could really mess things up. | ||
| When you're talking about the truth, there's a lot of nuance and context that goes into it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that really makes it hard to just hate. | ||
| You know, you have to wade through all this stuff, and then you're tired at the end of it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Your eyes hurt because computer screens are... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's tough. | ||
| Maybe just hate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hate. | ||
| So Alex has another headline. | ||
| North Korea shoots dead coronavirus patient after he's seen at public baths. | ||
| This is a race-specific bioweapon. | ||
| It is man-made. | ||
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| It's confirmed. | ||
| That's why governments are freaking out. | ||
| I hope it's not as bad as they're saying. | ||
| But this is mutating, and it's very, very serious in my view. | ||
| So wait, the day before, Alex got a call from a guy who was saying that the virus was just a cover-up to round-up people who were protesting against the Chinese government, which would lead you to think that it's not a race-specific bioweapon that got released, and Alex agreed with them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Those two narratives seem slightly at odds with each other, but now here on the 13th, Alex is back to saying it's a man-made race-specific bioweapon. | ||
| He has no consistency, which is by design. | ||
| This is so much Andy Daly as L. Ron Hubbard for the Dead Authors. | ||
| I didn't say this. | ||
| Dead Authors podcast of like, well, yeah, I said it. | ||
| But I didn't say it. | ||
| Well, I didn't say it. | ||
| Yeah, I listen to this show all the time, and honestly, I don't even think that I could tell you what the show's position is on the coronavirus. | ||
| I really don't know. | ||
| I think he's rooting for the coronavirus. | ||
| I think he's pro-virus. | ||
| Some days it's a race-specific bioweapon. | ||
| Some days it's a bioweapon. | ||
| China wanted to use on us that got loose accidentally. | ||
| Sometimes it's all a cover for something completely unrelated to public health. | ||
| Sometimes it's not even real. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| His show makes no sense. | ||
| It's abusive to his listeners, like this day-to-day whatever. | ||
| It's abusive to me! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's not saying anything, but he's also suggesting a whole lot of stuff with the presentation that he is saying these things. | ||
| And that's not cool. | ||
| No, it's not great. | ||
| Also, that story about the North Korean official may or may not be true. | ||
| It was from a South Korean source, and I can find no confirmation about it. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I have no idea if it's true, and neither does Alex. | ||
| He's just reading a headline and asserting it as fact without getting into the details of the story, which is kind of irresponsible. | ||
| Alex has another caller here. | ||
| And the virus is now maybe not a race-specific virus? | ||
| This is immediately after. | ||
| This is immediately after. | ||
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The only people who have died outside of China were people who were in China when they got the disease. | |
| But I don't even think it was the disease that killed them. | ||
| Something else is killing them. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I tend to agree with you. | ||
| This is clearly a man-made virus. | ||
| I think it does kill some people, but there's no doubt. | ||
| That they're putting some fake videos out in China of like a man and woman laying there to create fear. | ||
| They're letting everybody videotape it to create fear. | ||
| Where's the race-specific part now? | ||
| You just said it was a race-specific bio-webbing a minute ago and talking about North Korea, and now you have this caller who's saying that, nah, it wasn't the disease that killed them. | ||
| They're trying to crank down on dissent. | ||
| I tend to agree with you. | ||
| Yeah, of course, of course. | ||
| This is so inherently incoherent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's intentional. | ||
| It's really... | ||
| Yeah, believe whatever it is you believe. | ||
| I agree with you so long as you buy my shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex gets to talking a little bit about the purge that Trump is doing of people in the government, which I still don't know is accurate. | ||
| And he's really trying to make this red storm thing work. | ||
| What I do know is the red storm's here. | ||
| Trump is purging the traitors and he's accelerating in the attack. | ||
| And I love it. | ||
| And we have lived to see it. | ||
| And I hope it continues on. | ||
| Man, I love it. | ||
| So, at this point, I was really marveling at how desperately Alex was trying to make the Red Storm happen. | ||
| I was curious about what was going on here. | ||
| Like, obviously, he's trying to evoke the storm, which, as I said, gets QAnon stuff. | ||
| And probably also the Red Terror, which, of course, is the period of political terrorism that preceded the Russian Civil War back in 1918. | ||
| However, I have a slight suspicion this might be a Steve Pchenik thing. | ||
| I base that on the interesting coincidence that there's a Tom Clancy novel called Red Storm Rising, and the company that licenses Tom Clancy properties for video games is called Red Storm Entertainment. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| Steve had nothing to do with any of this, the Tom Clancy stuff, but he's notorious for pretending to be the real-life Jack Ryan, and he associates himself heavily with all things Clancy. | ||
| This is probably, on my part, a complete stretch. | ||
| And I have no reason to believe that this theory even makes sense. | ||
| But there's something super weird about Alex incessantly trying to brand this the Red Storm, which happens to be a term that's only really widely associated with a former business partner of Steve Pachenex. | ||
| Most likely, it's just Alex trying to launch a phrase that he can put on some shirts. | ||
| But you have to forgive me if my mind wanders sometimes. | ||
| Alex's show often is very boring. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I'm going to go with it is Steve Pachanek and also Steve Pachanek is Rasputin. | ||
| I'm going to say that 100% positive. | ||
| You heard it here. | ||
| First. | ||
| Rasputin never died, and he'd been to Korea a bunch. | ||
| I just heard all this Red Storm stuff, and I'm like, wait, that's the name of this Tom Clancy shit. | ||
| Steve's got to be looming in the background somewhere. | ||
| You have this whole thing with Roger and the Department of Justice. | ||
| This is prime Pachenik stuff. | ||
| I'm just like, he's coming. | ||
| He's coming. | ||
| Is he coming? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| At this point, I had no idea. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| I was like, I don't know if Steve, but Alex has to be talking to him. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Red Storm would be a phrase that is related to Steve. | ||
| Now, I'm like putting yarn up on the wall. | ||
| I like how Steve, you can hear Steve Pachenik's footsteps behind you at all times. | ||
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Steve. | |
| He's coming. | ||
| He's somewhere. | ||
| He's always looming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, Red Storm is also the nickname for the sports teams at St. John's University, so it's probably trademarked. | ||
| And I really hope Alex tries to launch some Red Storm merch and then gets sued by St. John's. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| God, I want it. | ||
| More lawsuits! | ||
| So Alex takes a call from a guy, and this guy is like, hey man, the streets should support Trump more, and the rationale is bad. | ||
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I believe the streets... | |
| They are conservative, Alex. | ||
| The streets in your average thug is not for gay marriage. | ||
| They're not for transgenderism. | ||
| They're not for drag queen story hour. | ||
| We just need to crack these streets and get to the people that are in these streets, and I truly believe that they will get behind Trump 100%. | ||
| Well, I think it's already happened. | ||
| That's why the left's trying to re-energize racism is. | ||
| Trump has record of black support, and that's why they're freaking out. | ||
| Because they're losing control of the plantations. | ||
| If I understand this caller's argument, he seems to be saying that, quote, the streets should be supporting Trump because they're also homophobic, transphobic, and opposed drag. | ||
| I don't know if that's a good argument when you're trying to present the idea that Trump is a uniting force. | ||
| He's a uniter! | ||
| Go ahead, whatever. | ||
| As to Alex's point about Trump having record black and Hispanic support, it's good that he's not being specific about that, because if he was, he'd probably be lying. | ||
| If you go back to a speech that Trump gave on the campaign trail back in 2016, he said, quote, at the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will have over 95% of the African American vote. | ||
| I promise you, because I will produce. | ||
| This is in stark contrast to a November 2019 Hill-Harris X poll that found that, quote, an overwhelming majority of black voters, 85%, said they would choose any Democratic presidential candidate over Trump. | ||
| In reality, he's probably never going to get anywhere higher than, like, 10%, and that might even be generous. | ||
| That is not record-breaking, unless you're talking about it being a record for Trump himself, which is a little disingenuous. | ||
| I think this is all a little bit silly for Alex, a devout white identity advocate, to be bragging about Trump's non-white support while discussing with a caller how, quote, the streets and Trump can find common ground over their agreement that trans people shouldn't be allowed to exist in public and non-heterosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to marry. | ||
| It's a weird pitch. | ||
| He was talking about the British rapper The Streets, Dan. | ||
| He wasn't talking about the streets he was talking about. | ||
| And I didn't know that guy was that homophobic, but it turns out if you've got The Streets playing your rap... | ||
| That's why I prefer Lady Sovereign. | ||
| So this caller goes on to talk about how great Alex's iodine is, and I don't trust him. | ||
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Without the Survival Shield X2 and without Donald Trump, I'd still be a liberal left-wing crazy believing the mainstream media, pop culture, and Hollywood. | |
| You guys helped me. | ||
| The X2 gave me the clarity and the focus to read between the lines and understand what's really going on out here. | ||
| By the way, that's not just hype. | ||
| My IQ... | ||
| That's what the study show went way up when I finally got on clean iodine eight years ago. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So, except in cases where someone is severely iodine deficient, Alex's products aren't going to do anything other than a placebo effect. | ||
| So long as his listeners are eating salt, there's nothing these products can do for them except trick them into thinking they're somehow seeing through the matrix. | ||
| Alex is being a real shithead when he cites these studies about iodine increasing IQ because he knows, or has every reason to know, these studies are not saying that if you take iodine, it will make your IQ go up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a classic case of Alex creating a fake problem for his products to solve. | ||
| He tells his audience that the globalists are trying to dumb them down and iodine can fight back against the onslaught. | ||
| The listeners take the iodine, have that placebo effect, which is accompanied by listening. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| They adopt his narrative without looking into any of it themselves and pretend that that's them seeing through the Matrix, which they were able to do thanks to the miracle brain-boosting power of iodine. | ||
| It's all just a really sad grift, but you can see that it definitely does work sometimes. | ||
| I mean, the scams. | ||
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The scams. | |
| The scams work, not the iodine. | ||
| Those aren't going to do shit. | ||
| So, Jordan, I have given you a stout. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| We're going to crack open here a morning latte from the Toppling Goliath Brewing Company out of Iowa. | ||
| Normally I am staunchly against Iowa, but I will make an exception. | ||
| Not sponsors of the show, but I felt like it would be appropriate for us to have a mid-show. | ||
| It's been a while since we've had a novelty beverage. | ||
| I think everybody's been clamoring for new novelty. | ||
| And they do want to know specifics. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So that's why I gave up. | ||
| But another reason that we're having a little stout here is because I am pretty convinced that Alex ends up drunk. | ||
| Oh, does he fall off the wagon? | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A lot of people suggested over the course of the last months, like, oh, Alex is drinking on this episode. | ||
| And I don't really necessarily agree, based on certain behaviors that I find to be uniquely in the times that I think Alex is drunk. | ||
| Alexian, if you will. | ||
| And I believe it is my conjecture that Alex is drunk towards the end of this episode. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He has Norm Pattis. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| His lawyer on the show. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And I don't think Alex and Norm Pattis like each other. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| And I think, well, I mean, certainly that time that Alex put out a bounty from the Sandy Hook lawyer. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| A million dollars for his head on a pike! | ||
| And Norm had to sit there. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| Lends itself to a friendship. | ||
| No, no, not usually. | ||
| I don't think that they like each other very much, and I think that Alex knew that he's going to be coming on the show, and we're going to talk about Roger Stone-related legal issues. | ||
| I might need a drink for this. | ||
| I think that's what happened, because Alex and him, holy shit, this goes bad. | ||
| It starts bad, because Alex makes an announcement that Norm has to immediately retract. | ||
| We should go ahead and make this announcement. | ||
| You've been talking about this for a few days with me. | ||
| We pulled the trigger earlier. | ||
| We are going to intervene in the Roger Stone case, and we're also going to be working with Mike Cernovich on this, but I'm going to finance it to go in and show in the court records, which are very expensive to get all the particular records, with these jurors bragging to their Democrats, this other juror whose husband was a top lawyer on the Mueller probe. | ||
| I mean, conflicts of interest that are incredible. | ||
| Remember they called a few months ago for my arrest in the Washington Post. | ||
| Even though the Supreme Court's rule, it's totally normal to put out who jurors are for the intent of finding out they have a conflict. | ||
| I wasn't trying to intimidate anybody. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This whole house of cards, Norm Pattis. | ||
| It's starting to collapse for them. | ||
| Well, it does, and I just want to correct the record. | ||
| When you say intervene, that's a term with legal significance. | ||
| We're not a party, but my office is right now attempting to locate and obtain a copy of the trial transcripts. | ||
| We're just trying to get the transcripts. | ||
| Alex, do not say we're intervening. | ||
| Alex, words have meanings in the world of the law. | ||
| Consistently throughout this interview, Alex keeps saying things, and the Norm's like, here is a supercut of Norm responding to Alex. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I can't go that far. | ||
| I'm still an officer of the court. | ||
| I don't know anything about that. | ||
| That's news to me. | ||
| Again, I'm going to just comment on a case-by-case basis. | ||
| There's a lot of just like... | ||
| What is he, Alex's dad, giving a deposition? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So it's interesting because, I mean, what's going on here is that they're trying to create this argument that these jurors were biased in Roger Stone's case. | ||
| And, like, Norm is on here and he even said, I don't even have the transcripts. | ||
| I'm just requesting them. | ||
| And if you listen to the language that's used here, it's very clear that they're just guessing. | ||
| You're entitled to a jury of your peers and that's a fair and impartial jury. | ||
| Historically, what that's meant is that these are jurors who have not formed views of the case so significant that they're likely to affect how they evaluate the evidence. | ||
| In some courts, that means people don't know anything about the parties or the participants. | ||
| That's rare in a high-profile case. | ||
| Typically, they just have to be impartial. | ||
| They have to set aside whatever they've heard and commit to being able to try the case based on the evidence in the courtroom. | ||
| However, the participants are entitled to an honest answer with respect to sources of bias that jurors may have. | ||
| Now, Mike Cernovich is reporting that one of the jurors had run for Congress as a Democrat prior to the trial. | ||
| It's unclear to me as I sit here today whether that was disclosed to the lawyers in the case. | ||
| This juror has now come forward and written about her outrage over the resignation of the four trial prosecutors this week, suggesting that, in fact, she had very strong views at the time of trial. | ||
| So, if you listen to that, he's saying nothing. | ||
| His language is completely clear that he has no idea if that person who ran for office disclosed in the jury selection phase of the trial that they'd run for office. | ||
| He has no idea. | ||
| Norm is just speculating that it wasn't, but guess what? | ||
| Anybody who wants to speculate that it was brought up has as much ground to stand on. | ||
| They're not saying shit. | ||
| This isn't a claim. | ||
| It's just a narrative that's being built out of thin air, which makes sense, considering all of this is just information coming from Mike Cernovich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Cernovich is going after the jurors in this trial, trying to show proof that they should be disqualified and I guess get Roger out on a technicality. | |
| It seems, or you'd have to have a new trial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| effort on something when you have a pretty good sense that Trump's probably just going to pardon him. | ||
| But that's where it gets important to understand what this is really about. | ||
| Cernovich and Alex aren't trying to get the case retried. | ||
| They're not trying to get overturned as a verdict. | ||
| They're trying to create narratives that provide cover for Trump to pardon Roger. | ||
| Because, hey, all these jurors are all biased. | ||
| I have to pardon him. | ||
| Still larger than that to essentially say that Trump is the arbiter of justice. | ||
| No juries are... | ||
| If anybody... | ||
| It's because they're partisan Democrats. | ||
| There is no rule of law. | ||
| It is purely Trump wins. | ||
| That largely and then more specifically give Trump the political cover that he needs to pardon Roger. | ||
| And that's all just weak shit. | ||
| Like, I went and looked at what Cernovich was putting out. | ||
| And one of Cernovich's gotcha moments is showing that a juror had mentioned Roger Stone on Twitter in the past, though the jurors were asked if they'd posted on social media about the subject of the case, which would be Roger. | ||
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Right. | |
| The smoking gun that's shown here is a juror, this one juror, retweeted a Bakari Sellers tweet that said, quote, Roger Stone has y 'all talking about reviewing the use of force guidelines. | ||
| Not Alton Sterling, not Eric Gardner, not Walter Scott. | ||
| Not Sandra Bland. | ||
| Not Keith Lamont Scott. | ||
| Not Philando Castillo. | ||
| Not Terrence Crusher. | ||
| Not Deontre Hamilton. | ||
| But Roger Stone. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| This is clearly not a tweet about Roger Stone. | ||
| It's about the treatment of African American folks by the police. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, she just retweeted it. | ||
| That wasn't even her tweet. | ||
| I think you could very accurately say that you'd never tweet about Roger Stone, even if you retweeted that. | ||
| This is thin fucking broth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The rest of his proof is that she tweeted some negative things about Trump in the past, and to that I say, so what? | ||
| This wasn't a trial about Trump. | ||
| It was about Roger committing crimes. | ||
| It's very possible for a human adult to not like Trump and remain unbiased about a legal matter involving one of Trump's associates. | ||
| Just because Alex could never be impartial if he were a juror in a case involving a friend of Hillary Clinton's doesn't mean that normal people are incapable of that. | ||
| Like, for instance, I fucking hate Alex Jones, but I could be totally impartial in a case involving his cousin Buckley, for instance. | ||
| Yeah, that wouldn't be hard. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would not be able to be biased in a case. | ||
| Actually, I'd probably be. | ||
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Because I hate the criminal justice system so much. | |
| It's a real catch-22. | ||
| I honestly think that I could be impartial in a case even involving Alex, but I think that me saying that, no one would believe it. | ||
| So I'm going to make that claim and also not stand behind me. | ||
| I don't think I could be impartial in any case. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I don't think that's possible for me. | ||
| You do not belong on a jury. | ||
| Zero, zero possibility. | ||
| So this Cernovich stuff is really stupid and it would never hold up in court, but that's okay because it's not designed to. | ||
| It's meant to be a play for a public opinion narrative that provides cover for Trump to abuse his power and pardon his friend for trying to obstruct an investigation into him. | ||
| Which makes it particularly sad for Alex's lawyer to debase himself by lending this weak shit credibility. | ||
| Like, Barnes really needs to give Norm a call and get him up to speed that it's time to bail. | ||
| This isn't going to go where you want it to. | ||
| So Alex is like, you know, he wants Norm to talk about the case and Roger being innocent and all that. | ||
| But also he's fixated on a headline that he's read about this Cambridge professor who's written a book basically making the argument that humans should stop reproducing it would be an ethical thing for humans to stop reproducing because of all the systems that we've brought into the world that are destructive and that you know unpackaging unpacking all of the things like capitalism Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| All the systems that we have are foreign to nature, and we need to dismantle those things, and the only way to do that is through our gradual getting gone. | ||
| That's an interesting... | ||
| People have made these sorts of arguments. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| No, I mean, the idea of an extinction by choice? | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's the voluntary human extinction movement. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure. | |
| That's existed for a very long time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I just don't think it's possible for any organism to cause its own extinction. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| I mean, it can kill itself. | ||
| It is possible, but it's also all voluntary. | ||
| It's not like a forced thing. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's not about murder. | ||
| It's not about telling you to kill yourself. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And it's not even something that I would guess that this Cambridge professor believes could be implemented. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's just an ethical dissertation that she's putting out. | ||
| Also, she has tattoos and kind of looks like a witch. | ||
| Oh, well, there we go. | ||
| There's our bigger issue. | ||
| There's our bigger issue. | ||
| It's surprising to me that he isn't talking about all of these types of books that have been written about that. | ||
| There have been a lot of them. | ||
| Yeah, why did he choose this one particularly? | ||
| Well, because it's current. | ||
| He read a headline about it, and this lady looks like a witch. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| So Alex gets fixated on this and insists that she needs to kill herself. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| And Norm is not happy about this, and we will learn why in a little bit. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Cambridge academic says human race must become extinct to save the planet. | ||
| That's that whole extinction rebellion. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| She's got Medusa on her arm and devil tattoos and is into nihilism and destruction. | ||
| Well, hey, here's the deal, honey. | ||
| You just get yourself a big old tank of vodka and some barbiturates and kill yourself. | ||
| Because you're into death, you're into destruction, you've given up on humanity. | ||
| I don't want you to kill yourself. | ||
| I'm just simply telling you, you got that broadcast? | ||
| Go take care of it. | ||
| Get in the bathtub, slip those wrists, go see Jesus. | ||
| Now, Norm has got to be thrilled that he showed up. | ||
| He's got to be at the point where after Alex got drunk and yelled about wanting a bounty on the opposing council, he had to be like... | ||
| It always goes bad when I show up. | ||
| And he's like, hey, we're just talking about Roger. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| Alex is being a little bit, you know, saying we're going to intervene. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| But I can correct him. | ||
| You know, we can get by on this. | ||
| Now he's talking about how this professor needs to kill herself. | ||
| Norm, can I get your take on this? | ||
| She should kill herself, correct? | ||
| Alex does try and get him in on it. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| So again, lady, lead by example. | ||
| I'll give her some respect. | ||
| If she jumps off a building today or slits her wrist, and again, I'm not saying she should do that. | ||
| She just says we should all die. | ||
| Well, her first, Norm. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what to make of that. | ||
| Norm, he doesn't like her argument, and he actually has a pretty good response to it. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| About love being transformative. | ||
| He has a position that... | ||
| It's like, hey, don't hate on her baby. | ||
| If we all show compassion and love, it'll change her perspective on this. | ||
| That's kind of the angle he's coming from. | ||
| If you say that on Infowars, Alex throws a fucking hatchet at you. | ||
| Well, he does. | ||
| He does make that point. | ||
| This goes so bad. | ||
| And look, dude, Norm in this next clip says something that Alex should take as a fucking stop it. | ||
| But he doesn't. | ||
| I'm just telling her. | ||
| I hope she doesn't commit suicide. | ||
| Lady, you go first! | ||
| I just had someone close to me commit suicide, so I don't wish that on anyone. | ||
| That is the point at which you immediately start practicing empathy towards the person who's sitting next to you. | ||
| That is the point where you're like, alright, sorry, look, I'm making some jokes. | ||
| This is disrespectful. | ||
| I'm sorry for your loss. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| I apologize for inviting you onto this episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, apparently, is how this is going. | ||
| Human decency dictates that you take that as a sign. | ||
| Norm is being very polite and saying, I just lost someone to suicide, so I'm not into this. | ||
| What he's really saying is, stop. | ||
| He's putting a boundary. | ||
| I don't like him, and even I went, oh! | ||
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It's immediately a human, empathetic response. | |
| Alex doesn't take it quite the same way that humans might. | ||
| Again, I just want her to go first. | ||
| Trying to pour gasoline all over herself. | ||
| Go easy, Alex. | ||
| We're all in need of Grace. | ||
| She needs it more. | ||
| Go easy. | ||
| She wants us all to die. | ||
| I'm just saying, let's go! | ||
| You know that song from Elvis? | ||
| Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go! | ||
| Let yourself go! | ||
| Come on, honey! | ||
| You ain't got no place to go! | ||
| Just put your arms around me real tight! | ||
| Yeah, it was around here when I realized these are the drunk behaviors that I haven't seen in a while. | ||
| This sort of stuff is very in the Alex drunk... | ||
| 100%. | ||
| The inability to understand the slight cues that are actually screaming out of Norm about, like, Alex, cut it the fuck out, are insane. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex just won't stop, and I really get the sense that Norm hates Alex. | ||
| She's up there flapping around like a vampire bat, telling us to kill ourselves. | ||
| I'm just simply saying, I just say, kill yourself. | ||
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Well... | |
| That's giving her what she wants. | ||
| The power of love and the power of grace is overwhelming. | ||
| It certainly has transformed my life and I hope it would hers. | ||
| Gasoline would too as well. | ||
| Norm, I'm having a little bit of fun today. | ||
| You got me and it takes a lot to make me speechless. | ||
| You have that gift. | ||
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That is a guy who fucking hates me. | |
| Alex, I hate you. | ||
| That is the most lawyer way of saying, I hope you light yourself on fire. | ||
| I represent fucking murderers. | ||
| Jesus, man. | ||
| I hate you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God, he must need that money. | ||
| He must be getting paid so much. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| I think maybe also like high profile case. | ||
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Could be. | |
| You get a lot of publicity out of it. | ||
|
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Could be. | |
| Conceivably as it gets closer to when it goes to trial, it could pay off huge. | ||
| If he really thinks that there's a chance he could. | ||
| Weasel through this case on a technicality. | ||
| It could be a huge thing for his searcher. | ||
| And even if he loses the case, it's not like it hurts him. | ||
| You can get whatever publicity you get out of it. | ||
| You get a lot of money from Alex. | ||
| But you can get in those little moments. | ||
| I am almost never at a loss for words, and you have that gift. | ||
| That's a very polite, fairly smart person's way of saying, fuck you. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| I told you five minutes ago that someone near me committed suicide recently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you won't stop taking every single, like, hey, polite deflection that I make and weaving it right back to, poor gasoline on yourself, bitch! | ||
| Man. | ||
| Like, it's crazy. | ||
| Alex is so out of line. | ||
| That is... | ||
| That is... | ||
| It does kind of point to the obsequiousness of the right. | ||
| Just like, there's no way that I'm just going to sit there. | ||
| That's... | ||
| After that, and he keeps going, it's like, cool, Alex, this is as good as we're going to do. | ||
| I'm going to let you go. | ||
| Man, I don't know. | ||
| Like, that's easy. | ||
| Well, there's also the employer-employee relationship, or at least, like, there's the business relationship, and, you know, if you're Norm, you also recognize, like, there's some performance on Alex's part that, like, maybe after the mics went off and they went to commercial, he apologized. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Maybe there's like, I'm so sorry. | ||
| Look, I just got out of control. | ||
| I was on a riff. | ||
| It was too good. | ||
| I couldn't stop. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| The bit was great. | ||
| The right is too good at comedy for me to stop. | ||
| So I had a suspicion that Alex was maybe back in his drunk behavior. | ||
| And that was kind of like, this next clip is where I was like, oh boy. | ||
| Let's go ahead and take a caller here. | ||
| Who's been holding the longest for Norm Pattis? | ||
| That would be... | ||
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That's kind of a fun noise. | |
| Let's tune into what's going on in her head. | ||
| Sounds like a soundtrack from The Exorcist, you know? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Steve in Florida, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Maybe Alex just did some acid or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a fun noise. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that's the level he's at. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I want to say, these are the behaviors that I find in times when he's very clearly drunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, I could see it as a possibility that he's not drunk, he just hates Norm. | ||
| Like, the two of them just hate each other, and they only exist because Alex can't get any other lawyers. | ||
| Even fucking Barnes quit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, you know, he can't... | ||
| Carry out his case without some sort of a lawyer who's willing to represent him, and Norm is that. | ||
| So they're stuck with each other in some way, and they fucking hate each other. | ||
| That's a possibility that he's so checked out and like, I hate this guy, but he doesn't want to act like that on air. | ||
| But he also needs some lawyer to come on and talk about Roger's situation. | ||
| He needs a lawyer to come on and talk about Roger's situation, which they are absolutely not doing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's not much of it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So yeah, this ends not all that dramatically or anything. | ||
| Alex lets him go, and then he comes back from break, and he has another guest. | ||
| And when he had another guest, I was like, okay, it's got to be Steve. | ||
| Alex has been saying these red storm things. | ||
| This is when you expect Steve to come in. | ||
| And when he announced who the guest was, I was like, goddammit. | ||
| All right, for the rest of the hour, then I'm going to host Summit of the Fourth Hour. | ||
| And cover all the other news. | ||
| Sticks joins us. | ||
| And I've been watching this guy for six, seven, eight years on YouTube. | ||
| He's got billions of views racked up there. | ||
| He's an author, editor, video creator, and gardener. | ||
| And he goes by Sticks 666 Official. | ||
| And I think that's just more of an obnoxious handle. | ||
| But he can describe that for you. | ||
| This is a hilarious booking for Alex on his show. | ||
| Considering all Alex does is yell about Satan, that is. | ||
| Do you know who this dude is? | ||
| No, I have no idea. | ||
| So his full handle is SticksHexenHammer666 and he's a real shithead on YouTube. | ||
| He's just one of these YouTube commentator guys. | ||
| Alright, so if he was on the left, that handle would be 100% the thing that Alex screams about for hours. | ||
| See, look at how devilish he is! | ||
| They have to be obvious about it. | ||
| They have to tell you that they're so evil. | ||
| That's what they have to do because there's no consequences for them anymore. | ||
| They know that they have to do. | ||
| That's what there's going on. | ||
| Oh, he's on my side? | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
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Love him. | |
| It's just an obnoxious handle. | ||
| Yeah, it's annoying. | ||
| I should tell you, he is a legitimate Satanist. | ||
| Or at least he... | ||
| He used to be. | ||
| He left the Church of Satan a few years back and is now a self-described pagan and occultist, which Alex would still describe as Satanist. | ||
| He calls people that are just regular... | ||
| Christians are Satanists. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| So that... | ||
| I would say no. | ||
| His 666 handle is not just being abrasive or obnoxious. | ||
| It's a name he chose when he was a real Satanist. | ||
| Unlike all the Democrats, Alex calls Satanists just because they believe in liberal policies. | ||
| Hey, the great beast, Aleister Crowley. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| So Styx is a real dum-dum. | ||
| He used to post videos on YouTube of himself doing drugs, which he called trip reports, but he stopped that after he overdosed on fake weed back in 2010 and got clean. | ||
| He's advanced some real fun conspiracies, like he believes that Charles Manson is innocent, and some real not-fun ones, like arguing that the Nazis didn't use Zyklon B in the gas chambers. | ||
| He's since walked that one back a little bit, but in my book, if you're using your platform to spread Holocaust revisionism, that stays with you, even when you walk it back. | ||
| Good on you for realizing you were wrong, but the problem is that you didn't realize you were wrong before you started preaching that shit. | ||
| Realizing your position was wrong doesn't change the fact that you were still the same person. | ||
| Even afterwards, after you made up your mind that you were wrong, you are the same person who thought it was a great idea to question well-established history of the Holocaust. | ||
| So go fuck yourself, Sticks Hexenhammer 666. | ||
| I think one of the big problems with YouTube creators being self-employed is that the only person who can fire them or punish them for their bad behavior... | ||
| Doesn't particularly care that much. | ||
| Seems that is a problem. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So beyond that sort of stuff, like some weird conspiracies and Holocaust revisionism that he's since pretended, ah, I didn't mean that. | ||
| Beyond that, he's just pretty much a run-of-the-mill YouTube reactionary right-wing commentator. | ||
| Except that he has a satanic aesthetic. | ||
| But that means he has long hair, he has a leather jacket, and he often wears no shirt under that leather jacket. | ||
| Uh-oh! | ||
| The right's getting cool, Dan! | ||
| Dan, the right's getting cool! | ||
| They just watched Easy Rider recently. | ||
| This dude just straight up sucks. | ||
| But honestly, I would have thought that he would consider himself above coming on InfoWars. | ||
| I've known who he was because of YouTube. | ||
| I've accidentally watched a couple of his condescending ass videos in the past. | ||
| And the sense that I got from him would be like, no, I wouldn't go on. | ||
| Alex is a crazy person. | ||
| Why would I do that? | ||
| The fact that this interview is happening is embarrassing for both parties engaging in the interview. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| Anyway, the interview is just stupid. | ||
| Maybe Styx is just doing some bucket list shit. | ||
| Like, he got the call from Infoars. | ||
| He's been on War Room a couple times. | ||
| Oh, he has? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that makes sense to me. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Because Owen Schroyer's show is definitely more tailored towards the younger reactionary crowd. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so, like, he'll have a lot of these people who exist in fringe spaces on YouTube. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Because you want to reach out to those audiences more. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure, sure. | |
| Have the cool Owen Schroyer guy. | ||
| Demographics. | ||
| The cook destroyer. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| You know, you have him on. | ||
| It makes some sense. | ||
| But being on with Alex is just... | ||
| Not good. | ||
| No, it's a bad look. | ||
| Especially a drunk one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the whole interview is really just... | ||
| Exist so Styx, Hexenhammer, 666 can come on and bash the left. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Talk about Bernie being bad. | ||
| Everyone's bad. | ||
| Bernie's gonna murder all of us! | ||
| Bernie's gonna murder Styx! | ||
| The band, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a very unimpressive interview. | ||
| And I just... | ||
| The only clip I'm going to play from it is Styx explaining that, no, his handle is from back when he was a Satanist. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| Alex's response to this is, it's up there. | ||
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As far as the username goes, that actually dates back many, many years to when I was actually an atheistic Satanist. | |
| I left that behind long ago. | ||
| I have nothing to do with it anymore, but the name stuck, so I just kept it the same. | ||
| Sure makes sense. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| God, I just hate the double standards. | ||
| So pointing it out is passe and cliche, but goddammit, it's so annoying. | ||
| Well, it was a Satanist, but the name, you know, I had it back then, it stuck. | ||
| Oh, cool. | ||
| I'm surprised he barely, like, I imagine that in his head was like, that means you're still a Satanist, and what's a Satanist always, and then he's like, oh shit, he's on my side. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He probably has way more of a reach than Alex, too, at this point. | ||
| He's pretty popular on YouTube, so I would assume that Alex would want to enlist him as part of the fold. | ||
| So best not to be like, you're still a Satanist. | ||
| Look, once you got the donk, once you got the meme machines, you're going to need a Styx guy. | ||
| That's just the rule. | ||
| That's it for the 13th. | ||
| The rest of the show is mostly Alex having this interview with Sticks. | ||
| Like I said, it's just very standard bashing the left stuff. | ||
| It's not interesting. | ||
| I expected more. | ||
| I had higher hopes for Sticks, Hex, and Hammer. | ||
| That's a phrase that I've never heard. | ||
| That's a sentence I've never heard before. | ||
| Or at least maybe Alex asked him about ODing on fake weed. | ||
| Now that would be interesting. | ||
| How do you OD on fake? | ||
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Whatever. | |
| I mean, some of that stuff is not good. | ||
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It's not good for you. | |
| I totally believe that. | ||
| And none of this is to make fun of people who've had bad drug reactions or anything. | ||
| It's just kind of funny, given him. | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't want that to be my rock-bottom moment, though. | ||
| Of all the rock-bottom moments whenever you're in N.A., that's not the one I would want to share. | ||
| Fucked up on fake weed. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It's a weird look. | ||
| Much like a leather jacket without a shirt. | ||
| Weird look. | ||
| Weird look. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Cowboy. | ||
| We get to the 14th, and now something interesting has happened. | ||
| And that is that an interview with William Barr has come out where he's trying to do damage control about the fact that these prosecutors removed themselves from the case. | ||
| So now... | ||
| Alex has an interesting dilemma on his hands. | ||
| We know that Attorney General Barr has really come out against the president. | ||
| Some people are saying that it's elaborate theater kabuki and that it's to get Democrat heat off the Attorney General. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're saying don't send its stone to an exorbitant amount of time. | ||
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Correct. | |
| Well, Dr. Steve Buchanan is a smart guy. | ||
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No. | |
| And he does know a lot of people in the deep, deep state. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| Not the lawyer bureaucracy, but the folks in the military and those areas. | ||
| And he really has a big problem with Barr. | ||
| And he particularly wanted to come on the show today, so I told him anytime he wants to come on, there's an open door. | ||
| He thinks Barr needs to resign, and he thinks Barr is going to make a move on the president. | ||
| And I think I agree with him because of the pedigree of Barr. | ||
| You know, Barr is up to his eyeballs. | ||
| In Jeffrey Epstein stuff. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So, like I told you, I knew that Steve was looming in the background somewhere. | ||
| You feel his footsteps. | ||
| You're like a quarterback with Brian Urlacher running down. | ||
| I got my Steve sense. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was triggered. | ||
| So, by the 14th, William Barr had sat down for a highly staged interview where he basically made the point that Trump's tweet about Roger Stone's sentencing recommendation made it impossible for him to do his job as the Attorney General. | ||
| You can kind of see what he means. | ||
| That tweet put him in a very bad position. | ||
| If he sincerely did believe the recommendation was too severe, he then had to choose to either not amend the recommendation for fear of appearing compromised by Trump's tweet or amend the recommendation and give literally every appearance of being compromised by Trump's tweet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's a no-win situation. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| For Barr, it'd be amazing for him to be in a complex situation where he's protecting the president. | ||
| I've never heard of him doing that before. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| For multiple presidents. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And look. | ||
| I don't fucking trust Barr in the slightest. | ||
| The dilemma he's describing is a real problem, though. | ||
| That is sincere. | ||
| Trump's tweet does introduce that possibility. | ||
| The way Trump acts makes every decision completely complicated and suspicious. | ||
| There's no action that Bill Barr can take. | ||
| Particularly in cases that affect Trump directly, they can never really be seen as independent or legitimate because of the way Trump behaves. | ||
| I don't believe that this is like Trump, I'm sorry, Barr is really concerned about that. | ||
| But just looking at it from a neutral position, person one does this, person two has to respond. | ||
| It does make sense. | ||
| Trump's tweet. | ||
| Just put him in a fucked up pickle. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| I just get frustrated whenever they have to pretend. | ||
| Like, just say that he told you to. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| It's already done. | ||
| We all know he told you to do it. | ||
| You're going to do it. | ||
| Just say it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just be done with it. | ||
| I have a strong suspicion that the interview he did was intentional, and it was a calculated act designed to cut off criticisms that, as Attorney General, he was basically just acting as Trump's personal attorney and doing his bidding as opposed to protecting the interests of the country. | ||
| That's my suspicion. | ||
| Which is why he was fucking hired in the first place. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whatever the reality of it, Alex is pissed. | ||
| He sees the interview as a broadside attack on Trump, and now Barr is on the outs with the Patriots, which is hilarious considering how much Alex loved Barr not a few days ago. | ||
| Steve is going to come on and bash Barr, which makes sense. | ||
| Barr is associated with the neocons who Steve fucking hates, so this is standard stuff. | ||
| Just Steve working in some of his own material, going into business for himself on Alex's show, as they say in the world of wrestling. | ||
| But what I want to bring sharp focus to is how now Alex doesn't like William Barr. | ||
| And because of that, a whole new set of facts are available to him, like that Bill Barr is up to his eyeballs in the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Alex didn't just learn that Barr's father was, quote, the headmaster of an elite New York City school that hired college dropout Epstein to teach math and physics. | ||
| That line I just read to you was from an August 2019 article in Time, and it wasn't news then. | ||
| Alex has known that all along. | ||
| But he strategically doesn't mention it ever, while he's in the cycle of presenting Barr as a hero, doing the heroic work of backing up the arch-hero Trump. | ||
| Now that he's said something in the interview that Alex sees is going against the dear leader, all of a sudden, Alex is aware of this long-reported piece of information. | ||
| Super weird how that works. | ||
| Wait, he's genuinely mad at Barr? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does he not get the game? | ||
| Is he that stupid? | ||
| Barr is doing this in defense of the president. | ||
| Well, that's our sense of it. | ||
| That's because it's what it is. | ||
| It does feel that way. | ||
| It is that way. | ||
| That is what it is. | ||
| How is he mad at him for doing the best possible? | ||
| Alex thinks that he's turned on Trump. | ||
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No, he's making the best possible move for Trump. | |
| God, these people are so fucking stupid. | ||
| God, I hate him. | ||
| He's made an attack on Trump in this interview because Alex thinks he's trying to save himself for something. | ||
| God, I hate it that stupid and violent wins. | ||
| So, I was listening to this, and all I could think about was pro wrestling. | ||
| You may not know this, Jordan, but there are different styles of wrestling that heels and faces generally engage in because they're trying to elicit different reactions from the crowd. | ||
| You don't want a crowd genuinely cheering for the heel, so you typically don't allow them to do moves that are too exciting. | ||
| A good recent example of this is Seth Rollins. | ||
| When he was a heel, he didn't do any of the high-flying moves that people really pop for. | ||
| But once he turned face, he started breaking out the superplex into a falcon arrow and the phoenix splash. | ||
| Now he's jumping off the top rope and everybody's like, oh my god! | ||
| Yeah, people love it. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| So when Seth was a heel, he knew how to do those moves. | ||
| He was perfectly capable of pulling them out at any point in any match, but he didn't because his goal was different in those circumstances. | ||
| That's what Alex does with information. | ||
| In that interview, Alex thinks William Barr has turned heel on Trump, and now the move set has opened up, and he can now connect Barr with Epstein. | ||
| Alex could have done that at any point, and it would have been just as true, but he never did, because that would jeopardize the face reaction that he wanted the listeners to have towards William Barr. | ||
| This little thing is a gigantic tell about how Alex operates. | ||
| He knows so much more than he says on air, particularly about the people he's trying to paint as good guys who are actually trash. | ||
| It also strongly indicates that he was totally fine with having an attorney general in office who was up to his eyeballs in the Epstein stuff, so long as they didn't dare question Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Kind of makes you think about how much Alex knows about Trump that he pretends not to know so he can keep presenting him as a I just... | |
| I'm mad that I'm mad at him. | ||
| For not doing this the right way. | ||
| I'm mad that Alex is not being the right kind of corrupt. | ||
| That is bumming me out. | ||
| He should be smart enough to realize... | ||
| You're bummed that he's not on the script. | ||
| He's doing a bad job. | ||
| God. | ||
| But it's what he knows to do. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| And it's the knee-jerk kind of defense thing. | ||
| He doesn't have time or... | ||
| He's not really that smart. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| And so, like, yes. | ||
| This appears to be an attack on the president. | ||
| We will respond as if it is. | ||
| It's just such an own goal, man. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| So Alex also has learned on this February 14th, by the time this episode airs, he's learned that the Department of Justice has come out and said that they're not going to pursue prosecution against Andrew McCabe. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because he didn't commit any crimes. | ||
| That's one argument. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Another argument might be that it is also another placating move. | ||
| This prosecution wouldn't have worked out, but you could have left it hanging, but you dismiss it in order to also appear more fair in the face of all these prosecutors. | ||
| This will get rid of all the criticism of four prosecutors. | ||
| There's possibilities. | ||
| There's a lot of possibilities. | ||
| Alex thinks that it's more William Barr trying to save himself, and he's pretty mad about this. | ||
| And he starts complaining. | ||
| About John Brennan? | ||
| And Brennan literally goes... | ||
| And he walks around Congress and stuff when he's there. | ||
| Just everyone's scared. | ||
| He walks around just... | ||
| Can you imagine as a full-grown man walking around like this? | ||
| Are you scared of me? | ||
| I'm a bureaucrat and it's my government. | ||
| I mean, you know, that's a certifiable lunatic right there. | ||
| Couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. | ||
| Bernie's going to kill paperback! | ||
| America's back forever. | ||
| All I want is to get these dishonorable scumbags out of there. | ||
| Things won't be perfect, but they'll be a hell of a lot better. | ||
| If you hate America and you were in the Communist Party, you shouldn't be the CIA director. | ||
| Yeah, no, he voted Communist twice because he's a sack of filth. | ||
| So because of the Andrew McCabe news, Alex is just ranting about all his standard enemies, but John Brennan's in that bucket. | ||
| He has a couple of rifts he knows how to do, so that's what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's all pretty boring for the most part, except for that clip. | ||
| At the end there, you hear Alex claim that Brennan voted communist twice. | ||
| This is a wild piece of information, that our country's former CIA director voted for a communist twice. | ||
| In reality, John Brennan has discussed publicly how he voted for the Communist Party candidate for president in 1976, Gus Hall, but he was never a member of the party. | ||
| In fairness, Gus Hall got over 58,000 votes in the 1976 election, and if we want to get petty about things, he actually beat Lyndon LaRouche, who was running on the U.S. labor ticket that year. | ||
| Regardless, it's super interesting that a guy who in his younger life would have voted for a non-mainstream candidate in a general election, that they could eventually end up in charge of the CIA. | ||
| I don't think it means anything in the larger sense, but it's pretty fascinating as trivia. | ||
| Yeah, that is fun. | ||
| Anyway, the reason I pulled this clip is because it's another prime example of how Alex cannot help himself. | ||
| He has to embellish everything to make his narrative sound bigger and more convincing. | ||
| There's no evidence that Brennan voted communist twice, but the fact that he voted communist once just doesn't do it for Alex. | ||
| He has to take an already interesting and surprising piece of information and turn it into a lie by exaggerating it because he knows his arguments suck. | ||
| On some basic visceral level, Alex knows that you can easily write off a guy voting for the Communist Party once in the mid-70s as a quirk, a whim. | ||
| Or maybe if you feel this way, you could call it an indiscretion of his youth. | ||
| If he voted for the Communist Party twice, that begins to form a pattern. | ||
| And Alex's argument sounds better. | ||
| He knows he doesn't have the information to make his argument sound better, so he just lies. | ||
| That's all he's doing. | ||
| These exaggerations are such fingerprints of, like, you know your shit sucks. | ||
| You know it's weak. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Commune me once. | ||
| Shame on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Commune me twice. | ||
| I am the evil CIA director who is coming after Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex has Steve on. | ||
| Steve Pchenik, my boy, comes in. | ||
| He's not my boy. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| So Alex has Steve come in, and of course, it's all just kind of like, bars gotta go. | ||
| He does reveal that... | ||
| Now that you bring it up, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve did vote for Lyndon LaRouche. | ||
| He probably did. | ||
| He was probably working with LaRouche in Reagan's fucking cabinet. | ||
| He probably would say he was. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I am Lyndon LaRouche, yes. | ||
| He does reveal that Daniel Ellsberg releasing the Pentagon Papers was a limited hangout. | ||
| That was CIA. | ||
| What else is Forrest Gump doing now? | ||
| I wanted to cut clips of that, but it is just way too long of a ramble. | ||
| I can just tell you he said it. | ||
| Now we can move on. | ||
| The rest of it is largely just Bill Barr sucks. | ||
| He's got to go. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| The way they start the interview. | ||
| So the balance of the hour, Dr. Steve Pachenik joins us, and I know you'll get into the whole history of it in the background, but there's a good chance Trump will end up seeing at least five minutes of this. | ||
| He calls it the clips, and people bring it to him. | ||
| I'll just leave it at that. | ||
| What is your just quick synopsis in five minutes, Dr. Pachenik? | ||
| I know the president knows who you are and your background, the things you've done in different agencies and things. | ||
| And as a private citizen, what is your five-minute synopsis for the president? | ||
| The five-minute synopsis of the president is very simple. | ||
| Number one, William Barr has to go. | ||
| I've said it a year ago. | ||
| The reason for it, not only has he really insulted the president and said an inappropriate thing, that the president can't, in fact, tweet and interfere with the Department of Justice. | ||
| He can do whatever he wants. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So maybe some of this is coming from Steve. | ||
| Alex is like, bar is turned on. | ||
| Maybe some of that's coming. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| All this is just, whatever. | ||
| I wonder what he's saying on, we're recording this on Sunday. | ||
| I wonder what is, as somebody had to have explained to him between Friday and Sunday, anybody? | ||
| His children, Dan? | ||
| His employees don't know shit. | ||
| Yeah, but his kids are smart enough to... | ||
| Well, maybe not. | ||
| I imagine that Rex, in between being told very weird sexist information, is like, hey, Dad, this is a smart move. | ||
| I think anybody who is interviewing Gavin McGinnis and is excited about it, maybe doesn't get it. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| So Alex is interviewing Steve, but that doesn't stop him from taking some breaks to sell some shit. | ||
| This is Texas A&M 2007, and it's Homeland Security, it's the Department of the Army Headquarters, United States Special Operations Command, and it's all the letters right here to show TV viewers. | ||
| And this is the nanosilver that we have put out by one of the top companies in the world, American Biotech Labs, LLC. | ||
| And this is the silver that the Pentagon found with the wound gel and all that we private label was the best for taking out all sorts of bacteria and viruses, including the SARS family that is the coronavirus. | ||
| And I'm not saying it's a panacea or a silver bullet, though it is silver. | ||
| It's one of the best silver systems you'll find. | ||
| We sold out of the 16-ounce. | ||
| We have the 1-ounce and 3-ounce left. | ||
| That is selling out quickly. | ||
| It also funds the InfoWars. | ||
| So get yours today. | ||
| It's for topical. | ||
| You can also ingest it. | ||
| Infowarsstore.com. | ||
| Consult your physician, obviously, because even though it's approved for that, you still need to find out what's happening personally in your own life. | ||
| You gotta find out what's going on personally in your own life. | ||
| You gotta. | ||
| You gotta. | ||
| So first, repair your relationship with your wife and then take the... | ||
| At the end there, Alex is saying it's approved for that. | ||
| And he's specifically talking about the gargle. | ||
| So now he's implying that there is FDA approval for this immune gargle. | ||
| And what you end up seeing here is really like, I've seen a progression of Alex testing the waters, no consequences happening, and it just getting more explicit the lies that he's telling about the silver product. | ||
| And I mean, I don't know if there's ever going to be any consequences for it, but I mean, eventually he's just going to be saying... | ||
| Crazy shit. | ||
| He's just going to be making factual claims that aren't true because he'll be able to get away with it. | ||
| Well, there's two things that I think he's thinking of, which is one, Trump's agencies are not going to care. | ||
| It seems unlikely. | ||
| Unless he directs them to, which is totally legal. | ||
| And two, he must be stoked that Jim Baker is getting all of that attention, because if anybody is going to be... | ||
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That'll hog up all the regulation enforcement. | |
| Alex gets to go under the radar, sell it as evilly and as inexplicably as he likes, and Jim Baker is going to be the one who gets fucked over for it. | ||
| I didn't look into this, but it might be a completely different product that Jim Baker is selling. | ||
| That might be just the colloidal silver, as opposed to the nanosilver. | ||
| Whatever the case, like... | ||
| I mean, I get really self-conscious about, like, I don't fully understand a lot of the laws, you know? | ||
| Like, am I suggesting that Alex is out of line when he's not? | ||
| And then I realize, like, no. | ||
| I found very specific cases where the FDA has told, like, Dr. Rima Labo to stop doing exactly what Alex is doing now. | ||
| So, it's all, I mean, who knows? | ||
| We'll see if any consequences come. | ||
| And I'm on this weird position because, like, Some people have reached out and been like, are you going to tell the FTC? | ||
| Are you going to? | ||
| No, I'm not going to. | ||
| But I also don't care if other people do. | ||
| Generally speaking, I have such a non-engagement policy with Alex, but if other people are going to take the information that we're putting out and act on it, nothing I can do about that. | ||
| I'm not going to not cover this for fear of someone might. | ||
| Right? | ||
| If there were a situation where I had good reason to believe what Alex was doing could actually hurt the people who were buying his supplements, then I would. | ||
| Then I would definitely make a report myself. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| But this hasn't crossed that line. | ||
| It's just like unethical scam. | ||
| Anyway, Alex gets to talking to Steve, and this is really interesting to me because the term deep state, you know what that means, right? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| It means nothing. | ||
| Well, but in the world of Infowars, what does it mean? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Anybody who's secret. | ||
| Just fucking regular. | ||
| Anybody in the Secretary of State position. | ||
| But they're bad. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| They're bad. | ||
| They're working against Trump. | ||
| Well, there are good deep staters who are working against the bad deep staters. | ||
| He has made that clear. | ||
| Yeah, but they're not called the deep state. | ||
| Oh, they're called the patriot state? | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I guess they are. | ||
| I mean, I guess our conversation here is highlighting the ambiguity. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It is always like these white shoe, as Alex calls it, the intelligence folks. | ||
| Entrenched in the government. | ||
| They all went to Harvard and what have you. | ||
| Alex is in this next clip. | ||
| He seems to be trying to reclaim the term deep state and apply it to something completely different. | ||
| Obviously, there was a big organic... | ||
| Populist deep state. | ||
| I mean, a mom taking care of her children in the morning, making them biscuits and gravy is the real deep state. | ||
| Or a cop doing his job changing an old lady's tire. | ||
| Or a doctor doing their job. | ||
| That's the real deep state. | ||
| It's just rubber meets the road. | ||
| But obviously, if the corrupt elements of the deep state keep trying to start a fight and get the fight they want... | ||
| They should pray for Donald Trump's success. | ||
| America's so awake now. | ||
| The military's so awake. | ||
| Everybody I know is so awake. | ||
| And they don't want to go out and start having a civil war. | ||
| But if the communists and the Democrats and the Bernie Sanders of the world think they're going to have this big happy hunting ground in America, it's not going to go the way it did in Russia or other places. | ||
| Bernie's going to kill the ground. | ||
| How much danger they're in. | ||
| Can you speak to that? | ||
| If things were to go into a civil war, I don't see it going well for the other side. | ||
| There won't be a civil war. | ||
| Number one, there aren't enough people on the democratic or the socialist side. | ||
| Bernie Sanders will probably win, but as I've said a long time ago, and I've heard Bernie... | ||
| You have to be a multimillionaire to be able to say you're a socialist or a communist. | ||
| I've never met any communist or socialist who was not a multimillionaire. | ||
| I'm here. | ||
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Hello. | |
| You should meet a lot of people. | ||
| Hi, Steve. | ||
| You want to look through the... | ||
| I'm not even a thousandaire. | ||
| You want to meet some of the people in the DSA roles, or what do you want to do? | ||
| What do you want to do, Steve? | ||
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I am a negative thousandsaire. | |
| The thing I really love about that clip, and probably the only reason I kept it in, is because Alex is like, there's going to be a civil war. | ||
| Steve's like, there's not going to be a fucking civil war. | ||
| You idiot. | ||
| And his reasoning is just, the left can't put up enough numbers. | ||
| Just the slapping down of some of Alex's most basic fear narratives is hilarious. | ||
| The real deep state is the moms and the cops. | ||
| Making biscuits and graves for the kids. | ||
| Making the biscuits and graves. | ||
| That's the deep state. | ||
| Cops changing an old lady's tire. | ||
| If that's the real Deep State, then the evil version of the Deep State would be a cop popping someone's tie. | ||
| I guess? | ||
| Oh, do you mean the real cops? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's all silly. | ||
| So, Steve, how is it like to have at least one really insane thing that he says per appearance? | ||
| Because he never disappoints. | ||
| And here is that one. | ||
| He's talking about the education department in the United States. | ||
| And to his credit, he does say that there should be better education. | ||
| Good on you, Steve. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Interesting recommendation that I actually also agree with him on. | ||
| Shoot Devos into space. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, she hasn't come up. | ||
| But he has a recommendation that I agree with, but Alex should hit him for. | ||
| And I will mandate that every young person has to serve our country, not necessarily in war, but I don't care where their service is, but like Israel, you will serve us for two years. | ||
| I would reinstitute a service to this country. | ||
| And thank you. | ||
| Dan, who has also advocated... | ||
| Oh, we'll get into that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan, there was somebody in specific, I remember, who advocated for just something similar to that. | ||
| See, Jordan, it's really interesting that when you listen to Alex for long enough, it just becomes a farce. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything is internally inconsistent, nothing means anything, and things that were once seen as the words of villains expressing their evil plans are now the wise guidance of heroes you hope the president puts into motion. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| In that clip, Steve is saying that when he takes over the Department of Education, he would... | ||
| compulsory service to the country, not necessarily to the military, but in service to the country. | ||
| This is legitimately one of the first things that Alex covered in the Obama deception. | ||
| The idea that Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, had written a book called The Plan, Selling Big Ideas for America, which proposed that all Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 would do three months of some form of community service. | ||
| Steve wants them to do eight times that much service. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In the Obama deception and in Alex's narrative sense, Rahm's plan was clear proof of Obama trying to create the Obama youth. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| His own gigantic team of indoctrinated young persons who would do his bidding. | ||
| That was his plan and it takes three months. | ||
| Naturally, in the film, the argument was accompanied by shots of young black men in ROTC exercises that drive home the racism that was behind this narrative. | ||
| But let's not get bogged down on that very obvious aspect of the narrative. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex never thought that the act of suggesting some kind of mandatory community service was the same thing as creating the Obama youth. | ||
| Because if he did, he would have the same response to Steve, suggesting a more severe version of what Rahm proposed. | ||
| This was never sincere. | ||
| It was always just a cheap way Alex could attack Obama and a way he could stoke racist fears in his audience that they already had about a black president. | ||
| Not only is the president black, he's also creating a gigantic army of young black men. | ||
| Get scared! | ||
| It's an easy way to get away with this sort of shit, and this case is a really good example of why. | ||
| Because if you really listen, it does make a lot of sense to explore some kind of mandatory public service program for the country. | ||
| And not just for the country's sake, but also for all the individual citizens. | ||
| The experience of volunteering at a soup kitchen or cleaning up a forest can be transformative for people. | ||
| And a lot of times, folks need a little push to do things that benefit themselves as well as the larger society. | ||
| Because this is an intuitively pretty decent idea, it doesn't sound nuts for Steve to be suggesting it. | ||
| And unless you've listened to Alex for years and actually paid attention, you'd never remember that this was a major talking point of his anti-Obama coverage, that he was going to enslave your children. | ||
| Clearly, a philosophical opposition to mandatory public service isn't what was motivating Alex's coverage of Raw. | ||
| Whoa, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that raises the question, what was it? | ||
| Oh, well, I mean, he was black. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The end. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why is it so hard for everyone to just be like, Obama was black! | ||
| The end! | ||
| But that's what allowed the narrative sort of traction, but it was also easy. | ||
| It's also an easy thing to attend. | ||
| That is what this all is, especially now in the light of this, is it's so easy for these people. | ||
| It's just so easy. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I think some of that's the case for anti-Trump rhetoric, too, though. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| I think there are parties who are guilty of similar... | ||
| I don't remember any specifics of people who did this, but I'm positive they did. | ||
| What we talked about earlier, the idea that when he came in during the transition, firing the attorney. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| I'm positive that there were people who pointed to that and was like, look at this! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| When it's a normal part of a transition. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| That is the same thing in terms of like, that's easy. | ||
| That's an easy thing to do. | ||
| Agree. | ||
| The same way Alex is like, oh, Rom wants people to do mandatory service. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| It's an easy narrative to build. | ||
| I think what frustrates me for those easy narratives is if we want on the left an easy narrative, we have 10 million of them that he has provided us instantly. | ||
| Like, if you want an easy narrative, he came into office violating the Emoluments Clause. | ||
| Done. | ||
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Bingo. | |
| If you want another easy narrative, it's that he stole the election. | ||
| If you want another easy narrative, we can just do one. | ||
| We can just do one and repeat it over and over and over again. | ||
| Instead, everybody has to talk about the new du jour thing that he's criming. | ||
| That's why he's getting away with his crimes. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| So, I agree with you. | ||
| And we now say goodbye to Steve. | ||
| Now that he has made this very rational suggestion that Alex should punch him for. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| We now get another guest. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And I might have just ignored this guest, except he said a couple of really stupid things. | ||
| And also, Alex does his introduction along with You Belong to the City. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we always need some nice tasty grooves. | ||
| So is it Sexmaster 6969? | ||
| Is that what we're... | ||
| No. | ||
| Is he a YouTuber? | ||
| This guy's not a Satanist, but these grooves are sick. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| God! | ||
| Saxophone is amazing. | ||
| It's called victory. | ||
|
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You can face it. | |
| You can hear it. | ||
| Ivan Raiklin is a former Green Beret and formerly worked with the Defense Intelligence Agency. | ||
| He's also a recovering lawyer, as he calls him. | ||
| He joins us to talk about a whole host of subjects. | ||
| So we got Ivan Raiklin coming on. | ||
| We got Ivan Raiklin. | ||
| I've never heard of this guy. | ||
| Not Ivan Reitman, the director. | ||
| No. | ||
| I've never heard of this guy. | ||
| And Alex is introducing him as a guy who's with the Defense Intelligence Agency. | ||
| I was like, that's a legitimate kind of thing. | ||
| Well, he is a recovering lawyer. | ||
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True. | |
| Ha ha. | ||
| Funny. | ||
| I'm not sure if I necessarily believe that this guy, Ivan Raiklin, was ever employed by the Defense Intelligence Agency. | ||
| That's something that is bio claims that Alex is reading, but in the world of InfoWars, I've learned that oftentimes claims of working in intelligence are not to be taken at face value. | ||
| In 2018, Ivan was a guest on the John Batchelor Show podcast. | ||
| In his bio, he doesn't mention working for the DIA. | ||
| However, there is this bit. | ||
| Quote. | ||
| Ivan holds a BA in Russian, Spanish, Russia, and East European Studies, a JD, and attended the MS in Strategic Intelligence Program at the Defense Intelligence Agency. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, that phrasing is interesting. | ||
| It's a little bit different than saying you worked for the DIA. | ||
| It is a little bit. | ||
| It's a little bit different. | ||
| For one, the Russian and Spanish degrees, as well as the JD, the lawyer degree, those are stated as degrees that he completed. | ||
| He holds those degrees. | ||
| Conversely, it just says that he attended the MS in Strategic Intelligence program, which tends to imply that he never completed it. | ||
| So also, the MS in Strategic Intelligence, that's a Master's of Science degree, which would be conferred by a school, generally speaking. | ||
| You can get that degree at a bunch of schools. | ||
| A quick Google search finds programs available at Northeastern, Georgetown, St. Louis University, among others. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| The Defense Intelligence Agency is not an academic entity. | ||
| It doesn't make sense to claim that you have a degree from the DIA since they're not a degree-granting institution. | ||
| He also has a degree of the hard knocks, Dan. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| The correct version of this claim would be to say that you have a Master's in Science in Strategic Intelligence from the National Intelligence University, which is a school that's meant to prepare people for work in organizations like the Defense Intelligence Agency. | ||
| That is where he would get the degree, or he would have got it at another establishment of higher learning. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| This kind of leads me not to trust this piece of Ivan's backstory. | ||
| I have no idea, though. | ||
| Maybe he just botched his bio, but that doesn't seem like something an intelligence professional would do. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Disinformation is sometimes important for enemies and allies, Dan. | ||
| Have you been reading up on QAnon? | ||
| That's a way that QAnon rationalizes being wrong all the time. | ||
| Misinformation is part of the plan. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's like Sun Tzu level. | ||
| That's art of war shit, man. | ||
| Yeah, Q is Sun Tzu. | ||
| It rhymes! | ||
| Cue Sun Tzu. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| I think you solved it. | ||
| You solved the puzzle. | ||
| That makes Trump Confucius? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So even if that piece of Ivan's story is a little murky, some pieces are a little clearer. | ||
| He's probably most notable publicly for trying to run for Tim Kaine's Senate seat in Virginia in the 2018 midterm elections. | ||
| Ivan had gauged the viability of his campaign by doing a 1,776-mile run through all the towns and cities in Virginia back in August 2017. | ||
| Apparently that went well, so he decided to throw his hat into the ring. | ||
| Ultimately, he was denied inclusion from the ballot for the Republican primary, with the Virginia GOP saying that he failed to gather the required number of signatures. | ||
| Ivan claimed that he had enough signatures and he was being kept off the ballot for some unknown political reason. | ||
| According to the Richmond Times-Dispatch, the Virginia Republican Party contacted Ivan on his Facebook page, which seems a little weird. | ||
| Seems like communications like this might be appropriate somewhere else. | ||
| Maybe? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Anyway, they contacted him saying, quote, Unfortunately, many of the signatures collected in the 9th Congressional District were not valid, and for that reason, you were disqualified. | ||
| Odds are, this isn't an issue of fraud or anything like that. | ||
| It's likely that a ton of signatures he got were fake names or non-registered voters, so they wouldn't make it past the verification step that the party goes through when putting people on a ballot. | ||
| To get on the ballot in Virginia, you have to gather 10,000 signatures, but more importantly, you have to have 400 from each of the 11 districts in the state. | ||
| It's entirely possible that he had over 10,000 total signatures. | ||
| But like 450 in the 9th District and 100 of them were bogus, and that'll end up getting you disqualified right there. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So that's probably along the lines of what happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyway, Ivan decided to sue the Virginia Republican Party, a suit he would end up losing. | ||
| Things got a little bit ugly, with Ivan claiming that the party had told him just go vote for another candidate, which prompted the Virginia GOP to release a statement saying he was full of shit. | ||
| They didn't use that kind of old English, but that was their main point. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So while Ivan was going through all this, it just so happened to be around the same time that Alex went to D.C. to do that press conference of his. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| And that press conference is so inconsequential in hindsight that I really don't remember what the goal of it was. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| I think it was about Alex getting sued and maybe kicked off Facebook. | ||
| Was that what it was? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's usually about Facebook. | ||
| In some way or another. | ||
| I can't remember exactly what it was. | ||
| But our friend Jared Holt... | ||
| And there's an interesting blurb in his article that he wrote about going to the event. | ||
| Quote, Okay. | ||
| Ranklin told the crowd that, contrary to reports, he had actually earned enough signatures to run in the Republican primary, but Republican Party officials had unfairly disqualified him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It appears that this is where the two men's paths first crossed, and they met. | ||
| And Alex, not knowing this guy at all, he just let him get up and speak. | ||
| I can't believe that. | ||
| At which point he complained about not getting on the ballot. | ||
| I can absolutely believe that. | ||
| Ivan's speech was followed up by Jerome Corsi giving a speech that included this line, quote, QAnon is military intelligence and close to Trump. | ||
| Hey, there we go. | ||
| Because back then, Corsi was trying to write a book about QAnon. | ||
| He loved it. | ||
| Loved Q. It's hard to remember these things. | ||
| There's so many different narratives that contradict each other that shouldn't, that they just keep coming up. | ||
| Yeah, it is a bummer. | ||
| But him speaking before Corsi defending QAnon might have been foreshadowing. | ||
| Because in August 2019, Raw Story reported on a conference that was being organized to raise money for Mike Flynn's defense that had a real heavy QAnon overlap. | ||
| The organizer had posted a ton about Q on Twitter. | ||
| The conference's logo was just a U.S. flag with the stars rearranged to form a Q. Speakers included Q weirdos like Bill Mitchell and Joy Villa, and one of the other speakers, you guessed it, Ivan Rankin. | ||
| There we are! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| It's clear that Ranklin did serve in the National Guard. | ||
| I can find evidence of that. | ||
| As of 2010, he was a captain in the Guard. | ||
| And I don't have any reason to necessarily doubt his claims that he was a Green Beret. | ||
| But a lot of the other stuff in his bio just doesn't sit right with me. | ||
| A lot of it seems pretty dubious. | ||
| The Defense Intelligence Agency particularly. | ||
| Oh, also in 2015, he tried to kickstart a documentary about Vladimir Putin called Putin, 15 Years Riding the Russian Bear, the cover of which is just a shot of Putin shirtless. | ||
| Oh, I would have gone with Putin on the Ritz. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| That's not a bad one. | ||
| By Taco. | ||
| I watched the trailer for his documentary, and I read a press release that he put out trying to raise funds, and honestly, I have no idea what the angle on the film was. | ||
| I don't know if it's pro-Putin, I don't know if it's anti-Putin, I don't know if it's neutral, I have no idea. | ||
| He's just a bear, you're riding a bear. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Anyway, all of this stuff is irrelevant. | ||
| Ivan's just on the show today because he tweeted that Trump should pardon Roger Stone, and that got Alex's attention, so here we are. | ||
| Anyway, here's the intro to the interview, which is bad news. | ||
| Thanks for joining us. | ||
| I see you're there in your car. | ||
| Probably somewhere in Virginia or something. | ||
| Not a great start to this interview. | ||
| Ivan is Skyping in from his car. | ||
| I see you're in the car. | ||
| Are you driving right now? | ||
| Because that's safe. | ||
| That's almost like Alex being like, what are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Well, I can't leave my dog in here, and I was going to go to Target, but you called me a little quick. | ||
| Well, Alex, I'm in the middle of errands, but I thought I'd fuck around with you a little bit about how Roger Stone should be pardoned. | ||
| Well, Alex, I've been living here about three weeks, and it's mainly due to the wonderful and perfect economic policies. | ||
| Well, Alex, I don't have an office and my wife won't let me call fascists at home, but how you doing? | ||
| Car's pretty cool. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| No, you will not call fascists in this house. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I am the primary moneymaker here. | ||
| Honey, are you calling fascists again? | ||
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We had a conversation about this. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems like... | ||
| So anyway, it's mostly just about how you need to pardon Roger. | ||
| Trump needs to pardon Roger. | ||
| Did nothing wrong. | ||
| All this horse shit. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And then also, he really specifically wants to talk about Mike Flynn getting let off the charges. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And some of this has to do with... | ||
| There's a clear association with him and Mike Flynn. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure what it is. | ||
| Mike Flynn's son, Mike Flynn Jr., endorsed him when he ran for that Senate seat. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And, you know, that conference that he spoke at that was QAnon adjacent also was in order to raise money for Mike Flynn. | ||
| There's some sort of a connection there, but I honestly can't be bothered to figure it out. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| But they get to talking about, like, the Democratic race, right? | ||
| And Ivan, he speculates that if Bernie runs, Tulsi Gabbard's probably going to be his running mate. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Sorry. | ||
| Sorry for the laughter. | ||
| I apologize for laughing at Tulsi Gabbard, who refused to condemn fucking Syrian war crimes. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Apologies. | ||
| So that's one thing that he speculates about, and you can laugh at that, but I don't really care to deconstruct it. | ||
| It's not really interesting. | ||
| No interest. | ||
| Now, his theories about Bloomberg, on the other hand, far more interesting. | ||
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Love it. | |
| If it's Bloomberg, we have to take a look and see. | ||
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The biggest indicator... | |
| Of my hypothesis being accurate is that if Hillary Clinton takes her residency and moves it from New York to Arkansas or elsewhere, that's going to be the biggest indicator that she's going to be the running mate with Bloomberg. | ||
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Because if you look at Bloomberg... | |
| Yeah, you can't have two people from the same... | ||
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Correct. | |
| Explain that. | ||
| You can't have two people from the same district. | ||
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Right. | |
| According to the Constitution, I can't cite the exact section right there. | ||
| You can't have two people from the same state. | ||
| Oh, you can't? | ||
| Surprise. | ||
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Same state. | |
| You cannot have that. | ||
| So the president and the vice president have to be representatives from the residents of two different states. | ||
| So if she says Illinois or Arkansas, you know it's Dundale. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
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It's a Dundale. | |
| She's going to jump in the race immediately after the convention. | ||
| It might surprise you to learn that noted constitutional scholar Alex Jones and his Defense Intelligence Agency guests are completely wrong about the Constitution. | ||
| Why don't they know the Constitution? | ||
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You scream about it all the time! | |
| Just read it! | ||
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Fuck! | |
| They're just making shit up to have fun speculating about how they might get to yell about Hillary Clinton again. | ||
| That's insane! | ||
| So this is just a very basic misunderstanding of Article 2 of the Constitution, which says, quote, The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. | ||
| It's important to understand that until 1804, members of the Electoral College would vote for two candidates, and the top vote-getter would be president and the runner-up would be vice president. | ||
| And that's why we had so many great, wonderful presidencies. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson loved his time as the president. | ||
| After that point, the process changed. | ||
| And now electors vote separately for president and vice president. | ||
| Which is to say that just because in 2016 Hillary was running with Tim Kaine, that doesn't mean that every elector who votes for her for president has to vote for Kaine for vice president. | ||
| This actually happened in the 2016 election. | ||
| There was an elector in Texas who voted for Mike Pence for vice president, but Ron Paul for president. | ||
| This is kind of rare, but it does happen from time to time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because they vote separately. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the Constitution, the rule was that electors could not cast both their votes for candidates from the same state. | ||
| So if I were an elector, I could cast a vote for someone from Illinois, but my other vote would have to go to a candidate from another state. | ||
| This was a rule designed to lessen the influence of larger states and to encourage folks not to just vote for their local allies. | ||
| This became a bit of a talking point during the 2016 GOP primary because Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio were both from Florida and Ted Cruz and Rick Perry were both from Texas. | ||
| A lot of these shallow analysis and misinformed talk led people to believe that these combos of president and vice president could not happen. | ||
| But that wasn't true. | ||
| In reality, the conversation was that it would be super unwise for these combos to happen, and here's why. | ||
| If Bush and Rubio teamed up, all of Florida's electors could vote for Bush for president, but they could not vote for Rubio also for vice president. | ||
| And the same would hold true for Cruz and Perry in Texas. | ||
| If these dudes won by gigantic margins, it really wouldn't matter too much, but if it were a close race, this could be a huge problem, since Florida has 29 electoral votes and Texas has 38. You'd never want to field either of these tickets, since you'd essentially be playing at a severe disadvantage and risk the possibility of electing Bush or Cruz while Tim Kaine ends up getting the most votes for VP, and that would be fucking weird. | ||
| In terms of the current day, it's fair to assume that the Democratic Party would not want to have a presidential candidate and vice president from New York, since they have 29 electoral votes, and that would introduce some issues. | ||
| So what's interesting here is that the phenomenon that Alex and Ivan are discussing is kind of real, but they have literally no idea what they're talking about. | ||
| They think the Constitution doesn't allow people from the same state to run on the same ticket, which is absolutely not true. | ||
| However, behind that, their assertion that if Hillary were to somehow make herself from Arkansas now, it would be an indication that she's angling to not block electoral voting restrictions for her being Bloomberg's VP kind of makes sense. | ||
| It does. | ||
| I'm not sure what the official rules are about changing your home state, but I don't think it would work in this case for Hillary. | ||
| She's established for years that her primary residence is in Chappaqua, New York. | ||
| She was a senator from New York. | ||
| And I don't know if she can be like, whoops, I'm actually a resident of Arkansas. | ||
| And then everyone's going to be like, okay, cool. | ||
| If it would, then why would... | ||
| Anybody could just flout the rules of the Electoral College by having two homes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I mean, I don't think it even... | ||
| I don't think anybody... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was back whenever it took a long time to move. | ||
| Like... | ||
| 1804? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They wrote that in there because it would take six weeks to move from fucking New York to Florida. | ||
| I don't think anybody cares about that. | ||
| Just because all of our politicians are from a million different states and they all move around all the time. | ||
| Everybody knows that they'll move somewhere if they want to run in a better or more fucking favorable place. | ||
| None of it means anything. | ||
| I tried to look into it and I couldn't find the specific regulations about requirements for your home state. | ||
| Most of it all just comes down to you have to have lived in the United States for 14 years. | ||
| Residency requirements like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what the cut and dry issue of it is, but I really don't think that Hillary could get around being from New York at this point. | ||
| But even as far as that goes, if you want to have this conversation, you wouldn't use Arkansas. | ||
| You wouldn't use Illinois. | ||
| You would say that she would change to being a resident of D.C. Since the Clintons have an estate there where she lived when she was in office, that's a much easier sell if you're trying to be like, okay, she's going to say that she lives in D.C. That's what you would do. | ||
| God, they want Hillary so bad. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| Because she's the easiest. | ||
| Everyone hates her now. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| Democrats didn't like her, but we still voted for her. | ||
| But now everybody hates her. | ||
| A Bloomberg Hillary ticket would be the most alienating from getting out the vote from that perspective. | ||
| I think some of the most... | ||
| The analysis that makes the most sense to me is like, this is an election where you're not changing minds. | ||
| There's not people you need to sway to your side. | ||
| It's about energizing and getting people out to actually vote. | ||
| And Bloomberg and Hillary... | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
| I'd be out canvassing for my two favorite candidates for president. | ||
| That's a ticket that would actually get people who would be otherwise inclined to vote to not vote. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no. | ||
| That's a crippling. | ||
| We would have more people leave the United States than vote in that election because that's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that there are people who are running who are on the spectrum of energizing to not energizing. | ||
| Not energizing being mostly Biden. | ||
| But there are people along that scale. | ||
| And I think if there is worse than Biden, it's Bloomberg and Hillary. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That's almost the only way you could get less interesting, I think. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| So that means that we're going to have a Bloomberg of Hillary ticket. | ||
| Your point does stand, though, that they desperately want Hillary to run. | ||
| And that's why you see drudge headlines about Hillary's going to be Bloomberg's VP, which is why this conversation's happening to begin with. | ||
| There was a drudge story about that? | ||
| God. | ||
| Larger point, though, like, these dudes think that it's in the Constitution. | ||
| You can't have a VP and a president from the same state. | ||
| They don't know what they're talking about. | ||
| They're so stupid. | ||
| It's all dumb. | ||
| Learn how to read the document you scream about all the time. | ||
| Also, I should point out that Ivan is a recovering lawyer. | ||
| So, he knows the law. | ||
| I don't think he was ever a good lawyer to begin with. | ||
| So, Ivan leaves, and Alex has another gas that we're not even going to cover, because who cares? | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It's not a worthwhile interview. | ||
| It's unfortunate because it has the potential to be something real explosive. | ||
| Oh, is it Chessmaster777? | ||
| It is not. | ||
| It is Tyler Nixon, who is Roger Stone's personal attorney. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know him. | ||
| Not personally. | ||
| To say, like, this is all bullshit and what have you. | ||
| But, of course, because of his super close association with Roger, he can't do too much. | ||
| No, he's a partial juror. | ||
| But it's also a point. | ||
| He can't go far enough to make it interesting. | ||
| Meaning calling for the murder of people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's just a bland-ass interview. | ||
| And so we only have a couple more clips here of Alex talking about some other news. | ||
| Because also, Tyler Nixon, apparently, I think his phone didn't work. | ||
| So Alex had to vamp for a while. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He plays a couple special reports and covers a couple of headlines that he's ill-prepared to cover. | ||
| Here's one of them. | ||
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Go to Luce and Bartes, let's wait and win the end of four. | |
| This is the most offensive thing I've ever heard. | ||
| No, this is the shit, man. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Is this real? | ||
| Look at these articles. | ||
| This is the song. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| It's like aliens are trying to hack the planet. | ||
| First of all, I disrespect your hatred of country music. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I do not hate country music. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| You don't like talking about hanging out with Willie and Waylon and the boys? | ||
| That song sucks. | ||
| Go fuck yourself, you're wrong. | ||
| That song is shit. | ||
| You're disrespecting my central Missouri heritage. | ||
| So, Alex talks there at the end of Billboard. | ||
| Encouraging women to cheat. | ||
| Yeah, fuck yeah. | ||
| So Alex is presenting this headline as being like, it's a thing where he's offended at this notion of cheating on your spouse being encouraged, right? | ||
| That's the way he's trying. | ||
| How dare anyone cheat on their spouse, Dan? | ||
| Well, Jordan, there's an important detail that might be motivating his coverage that he's leaving out. | ||
| This billboard says, quote, married to one man, but fantasizing about others? | ||
| You need to try Evita.com. | ||
| I guess he could be mad about that if he wants, but I don't remember him making a big deal out of all the Ashley Madison billboards that have popped up over the years. | ||
| So maybe there's something else going on here. | ||
| Glad he was on Ashley Madison. | ||
| Alex is actually just mad because this billboard, along with that text, includes a picture of Trump and Melania, but Melania is looking lovingly away from Trump and towards Justin Trudeau. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That's very funny. | ||
| That's very funny. | ||
| Alex isn't mad about infidelity. | ||
| He's just mad at this billboard making a joke at Trump's expense. | ||
| That's almost annoying because shouldn't it be Trump looking at all of his other wives? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| That's an easier way to go. | ||
| I would do that one. | ||
| So Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about this on Infowars, and it's the saddest shit in the world. | ||
| Quote, with divorce rates and depression at all-time highs and birth rates at an all-time low, surely what Western countries need is websites encouraging women to cheat on their partners, a process that will cause untold pain and suffering and lead to the breakup of relationships. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Unreal! | ||
| That article ends, quote, Wanting to take care of your spouse in the context of a happy stable monogamous marriage is bad but wanting to be a whore and stab your husband in the back is apparently something to be celebrated. | ||
| Paul, I think you're taking this a little personally, buddy. | ||
| I think there's some personal history there. | ||
| These dudes are so weak that they just can't admit that this billboard makes them very angry because they can't stand to see their king made fun of. | ||
| So they have to hide behind this nonsense about untold pain and suffering and encouraging the downfall of civilization. | ||
| It's hilarious, but it's honestly also... | ||
| Pretty sad. | ||
| It is pathetic. | ||
| We have one last clip, and it's Alex just saying something that is absolutely unacceptable on any level and inaccurate. | ||
| You've got to admire people that are true to their cause. | ||
| Somali pirates. | ||
| Ilhan Omar. | ||
| Tlaib and others. | ||
| I mean, they really came to America from their squalid third world hellholes where women had no power. | ||
| As assassins of Stockholm Syndrome to conquer us because of our open hearts. | ||
| Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. | ||
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| She's not from here, Dan. | ||
| Have you seen the color of her shirt? | ||
| It seems like Alex is operating on that level. | ||
| No, it's her shirt colors that are really throwing him around. | ||
| So, anyway, Alex is a bit of a racist here towards the end of this. | ||
| Anyway, look, dude, this episode was rangy. | ||
| It was all over the place. | ||
| I told you at the beginning of this episode, you get to see these different Stages over this course of three days. | ||
| None of this is coherent. | ||
| You have the first day on the 12th, Alex is rambling about murder and just being high on the hog because Trump is going to come to the defense of Roger and it means that he's clearing house and all these globalists are going to go and all of this. | ||
| And then the 13th comes and he's kind of settling in and like, we're going to get Roger this retrial because of the jurors and then he gets mad at his lawyer friend. | ||
| On the 14th, Bill Barr has come out and done his face-saving interview, and now Alex has got to turn things around, flip the script on Barr. | ||
| All of this is just so incoherent. | ||
| Listening to it is a wild experience. | ||
| The thing that I come to from the end of this, after going through this whole rollercoaster, this is such Twitter trolling. | ||
| This is so much... | ||
| Of just this random nonsense being tossed about, often ridiculously violent, always incoherent. | ||
| And it's just that hallmark of the world that we live in with the hard right. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| I honestly feel like Twitter trolling has more of an intention behind it. | ||
| Alex just seems untethered. | ||
| He's lashing out. | ||
| He's just lashing out. | ||
| And the content of his show, the narratives that he puts out are so dependent on whatever he's lashing out to. | ||
| Whatever the stimulus is that he's mad at or he's responding to dictate the entire world that he presents to his audience. | ||
| And it's deeply unfair. | ||
| It's not fair to not allow your audience to have a consistent thread of reality. | ||
| Other than we have shadowy, unnamed, mysterious bad guys that Trump needs to murder. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think one thing that is very clear about this is that we are incapable of handling the way these people lash out. | ||
| It is simply, like, this type of shit, like, it's so terrifying to listen to that first day's episode of him calling for murder. | ||
| And then, like, that's terrifying. | ||
| And then the next day, it's just, oh, William Barr is bad. | ||
| You know, like, he was just lashing out like a child having a tantrum. | ||
| And it's hard not to take that seriously because he has such a high platform. | ||
| In the same way with the reactionary right wing going after whomever. | ||
| And it's just them lashing out. | ||
| And because we're so used to accepting their behavior as being something we should talk about, we're covering lashing out as if it was real. | ||
| Like, it's so frustrating to me. | ||
| How many times have I opened the fucking Guardian and seen them cover some headline and it's like, oh, that's just a child lashing out. | ||
| Don't give that attention. | ||
| We're giving that attention. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think it's something we talked about a lot like in the earlier days of the show was this sort of feeling of like... | ||
| Adults have to show up eventually. | ||
| There needs to be adults dealing with this. | ||
| And adults weren't showing up. | ||
| And the realization set in. | ||
| Gradually, they're like, nope, that's not going to happen. | ||
| They're not coming. | ||
| And now, it's like, almost, you need parents. | ||
| You do. | ||
| It's transcended or escalated from just like, we need adults in the room to really calm this shit down and settle it. | ||
| And now, the kids... | ||
| And the childish, petulant behavior is kind of running things. | ||
| It's the only thing that's being rewarded. | ||
| And what you're describing, that don't reward this tantrum with behavior, is exactly... | ||
| A parenting strategy. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, exactly. | ||
| That's what we're dealing with. | ||
| And that's unfortunate. | ||
| And I don't know how you do that because you start acting like a child or acting like a parent towards other adults and generally that puts them in a position where they end up precipitating the exact same thing you're trying to stop them from doing. | ||
| I don't know if there's an easy answer, but... | ||
| I mean, to me, kind of what I'm taking is it's time to just, like, ignore... | ||
| I mean, I've said this before, but it's really like we just can't involve them in the conversation. | ||
| We can't talk about what it is they have to say. | ||
| I don't give a shit what Kellyanne Conway has to say. | ||
| She's not involved in the conversation. | ||
| She doesn't get to be in the news. | ||
| The end. | ||
| You have to be clear, though. | ||
| It's specific people. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Based on their behavior. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Not people who have conservative politics. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Kellyanne Conway, you don't get to talk to her. | ||
| She's gone. | ||
| That's the end. | ||
| Based on behavior. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not on class or political orientation. | ||
| No, no, not at all. | ||
| Just like, fine. | ||
| If she wants to say this shit, you know what she's going to say. | ||
| You know she's going to blindly defend Trump with some bullshit. | ||
| So just say... | ||
| Even if you want, don't even get a comment from her. | ||
| Just say, Kellyanne Conway would probably defend Trump like this. | ||
| Fucking move on. | ||
| We're done. | ||
| You enter the new era of the news just guessing what people would say. | ||
| Assuming what they will say if you ask them. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if that would work, but it's an interesting suggestion. | ||
| So anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Indeed we will do. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
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| I am the bringer of the Red Storm. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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