Ghosts Of Caucuses Past dissects Alex Jones’ 2012 Iowa caucus episode, where he falsely hyped Ron Paul’s delegate lead (22/28) over votes, ignoring his racist newsletters praising figures like David Duke. Wayne Paul’s debunked claims—Fed created by three votes in 1913 and pre-Fed wealth growth—mirror Jones’ later Trump rhetoric, framing both as anti-establishment saviors despite policy inconsistencies. The episode reveals Jones’ formulaic, fear-driven promotion of outsiders, prioritizing narrative over substance. [Automatically generated summary]
The thing that immediately popped into my head was that, like, okay, so, like, in a popcorn popper, you have this big cabinet thing that has the kettle that hangs down from the, you know.
Yes, yeah.
And that pops the popcorn into the display thing where people see the popcorn.
And one time, I don't remember if I was responsible for this or somebody else was, but the bucket got kind of knocked over and there was just oil all over there.
There's just oil all over the place.
And so everyone's slipping around trying to get candy and drinks for people.
So, Jordan, today, I guess maybe this is an instance of me screwing up at work, because we've got another sort of, what I'm going to call another mini-sode.
Yeah.
Because we set out for, like, there's so much going on in the world.
And then you have the situation, as it did unfold, where there are a lot of questions spiraling around about the caucus and how no one's really sure who won, even as we record right now.
Just so it's clear, we're recording this on Tuesday, and so last night was the Iowa caucuses in 2020, and we're not going to talk too much about that.
And we will probably on a future episode, but the reality is that this is a podcast where we talk about Alex Jones' claims about things.
And if Alex Jones doesn't have any claims that we can address about that caucus, it seems like I don't want to be a news show where we get into everything that's going on.
I need Alex to bounce off of.
And once he comes into studio and has some thoughts about things, we can address them.
But for now, it might be disappointing, but there's no hot takes.
And so, like, I'm not covering Paul Joseph Watson doing his boutique culture concern type show.
So Monday's out, and we go to Sunday.
And so I listened to a bit of Sunday, and we'll talk a little bit about Sunday, but then I decided I'm just going to go far afield and find something to talk about.
And so that's why today is a little bit of a grab bag.
Got a little bit of Sunday, and that'll be February 2nd.
And then a little bit of something else.
But before we get down to that, we're going to take a little moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I'd like this show, I'd like to support what these gents are doing, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on this live Sunday broadcast.
I am on the road, and we just have incredible breaking news that just went live that is a global exclusive in conjunction with naturalnews.com with Mike Adams.
He's going to be co-hosting coming up the second hour with myself and Tom Papert.
He'll be the main host because I want him to be able to get to all this new evidence.
Emerges coronavirus bioweapon might have been a Chinese vaccine experiment gone wrong.
Genes contain P-shuttle SN sequences proving laboratory origin.
Now, why is this so important?
Well, it came out a few days ago.
Zero Head reported on Indian newspapers on one of the most prestigious scientific medical research centers.
Where they use computers, similar to CRISPR, to GeneEdit.
And they just came out and said, this has clearly had a bunch of other viruses welded in, including the original HIV.
Now, the controlled corporate media didn't come out and say, oh, well, let's just dispute the paper.
They said Zero Hedge made it up, basically.
Okay?
And then said that Zero Hedge had outed scientists and doctors by writing an article about who'd published a paper.
It's like, you know, outing.
An NFL quarterback, you know, because you talk about them, they're a public figure.
That's how they took, because they can call anything harassment with big tech.
Researchers at the Indian Institute of Technology in New Delhi published a paper on a website called BioRxiv titled, quote, Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019 novel coronavirus spike protein to HIV-1, GP-120, and GAG.
One thing that's important to point out, which Alex and Mike Adams seem to not want to discuss, is what this website BioRxiv actually is.
It's a preprint server, where researchers and scientists can post papers that have not been vetted in any way.
The issue is that peer reviewing can be a long process, where a reputable journal is unwilling to publish something without really going over it and making sure that what they're printing is up to their standards.
That's where preprint servers can come in handy.
From BioRxiv's website, quote, Authors use the BioRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as preprints before completing peer review and consequent certification by a journal.
This allows other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately.
Readers should therefore be aware that articles on BioRxiv have not been finalized by authors, may contain errors, and report information that has not been accepted or endorsed in any way by scientific or medical community.
This paper that Alex is citing as prestigious was in no way verified, and even according to its source, should not be taken as a finalized version of anything.
Also, if you try to find this paper now, you find this message.
This paper has been withdrawn by its authors.
They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of results.
They retracted their paper on Sunday, the same day that Alex is on air, talking about it being a smoking gun that proves that this virus is a bioweapon.
So, to sum it up, Alex's primary source here is a paper that was retracted by its own authors after being published on a non-peer-reviewed preprint server.
To put it simply, this is not strong enough to support any of the claims that he's trying to make.
I don't disagree that it is the sort of thing that could easily, and you can see the exact instance of it, it could easily lead to trouble, but what you're suggesting would be just as bad.
Yeah, the whole point of the server is we're putting up stuff for other scientists to look at because we're fairly certain that there's going to be something that we can make better.
And particularly the danger of this game, too, is that because there was a lot of backlash from the scientific and medical community about the way they were framing things, the results that they were claiming to have received, And they voluntarily withdrew their own paper because of this critique and comments that they got from the community.
Now Alex can claim that they took it down because it's a cover-up.
Instead of the scientific community doing its job and self-policing to a very high-quality standard, instead it's a conspiracy to cover up poorly made paper.
cool as for the situation with zero hedge it has nothing to do uh with this paper from india alex is trying to conflate the two because the buzzfeed article about zero hedge getting kicked off twitter which is what everyone alex is mad about sure that article mentioned that uh zero hedge had worked with an indian conspiracy theory website called great game india to That's the only connection to India, but it's enough for Alex to pretend that these are related stories.
So what happened is that Zero Hedge published an article accusing a virologist in Wuhan of creating the virus.
And they posted his name, email address, and phone number.
And the article also says, quote, if anyone wants to find out what really caused the coronavirus pandemic that's infected thousands of people in China and around the globe, they should probably pay him a visit.
Zero Hedge has no evidence that this guy created the coronavirus, and yet they're making that accusation and suggesting people should go pay him a visit.
You just can't do stuff like that.
And if I were Twitter, I would have kicked them off the platform for that, too.
Granted, I probably would have done it a long time ago, but let's not split hairs on this.
So I got into that and I'm like, I'm not doing another episode of Alex and Mike trying to sell food buckets and weird silver with fears about this virus.
Let's go ahead and listen to Alex's Iowa caucus in 2012 when he had a feeling that Ron Paul probably had a chance at winning the nomination and should be president.
Now, if you don't like Ron Paul, Then you don't like what America is.
The people demonizing Ron Paul and myself are lecherous, un-American vipers who want the destruction of our republic and who are signed on to the new world order.
Yes, that's all true, but the system is so criminal now.
They say they don't even follow their own rules, just like they've gotten rid of due process and say they'll secretly arrest you and blow your head off.
They are lawless criminals.
So just know that just because you say I'm a sovereign, you pull out of it.
Unless you're an illegal alien, they won't leave you alone.
Uh-oh.
Legals aren't above the law because they're here to drive down wages and keep part of the New World Order.
There's a practical aspect to it that he takes issue with as opposed to the magical thinking of, if I just denounce my social security number, I'm a free man on the land.
That's a weird response to that kind of call, but cool.
So you get around to the Wayne Paul interview, and here's Alex giving him a little bit of an intro, which, like, you can really tell that there seems to be a talking point that Alex really seems to be pushing back on.
I think you'll be able to tell what it is from this clip.
Well, we've got another great patriot and another fellow Texan.
Wayne Paul joining us for the rest of the hour.
He's, of course, one of Ron Paul's brothers.
And for many decades, he's been exposing the Federal Reserve, battling the IRS in court.
He's a CPA.
He is just a chip off the same block that Ron Paul came from, off the same tree.
And I wanted to get him on today to talk a little bit about his brother and who his brother really is.
I mean, I happen to know the inside baseball on Ron Paul, who would basically volunteer for free to work at charity hospitals because he believes in the free market.
And in the free market, you're supposed to have people that dedicate their own time willingly to help them.
those that are in need.
That's what the Bible teaches.
I have to know that Ron Paul routinely would pay the bills of his poor patients.
That's now coming out, not from his campaign, but from others.
And that Ron Paul would volunteer in the minority black areas mainly and give them Sure.
Sure.
Well, a hero.
He won't talk about himself.
He won't allow it because it's painful for people like him to hear it because he knows he's doing his duty.
I feel like one of the things that he really wants to drive home is, like, Ron Paul, when he was a doctor, loved to give free health care to black people.
Yeah, I think oppo researchers are used to, like, digging for stuff, and with Ron Paul, they put their shovel down, put the foot on there, and went, clink!
But he was only reporting their pay as the face value of the coins.
For instance, he might pay someone with a gold dollar coin that was valued at $200, but he was claiming it as $1 to skirt tax law.
That might sound like a small thing, and it probably would be if you were just doing it with one coin.
But this dude was super rich, and apparently he was doing it a lot.
When he was ultimately found guilty, he was facing a possible fine of like $14 million, which would give you some kind of scope of what kind of money he was hiding from the IRS with this scheme.
Well, I think the biggest thing is how do we know we're going to have an honest tabulation?
Those throughout the country have been thinking about this for a long time, and there's three or four guys on the East Coast that have set up a website called transparentvote.net, and they put out a letter to all the candidates in Iowa saying, if you've got people in a precinct when the precinct count is finished and sign off on...
Before they whisked it away asking to put it up and you take a camera picture of it with your iPhone and then upload it to TransparentVote.net.
This doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world, although I think that the photos that people are sending in should be vetted before they're accepted as being real.
Like, I think that the process could become pretty complicated, and I don't know if the people who are running that website have the infrastructure or ability to handle that sort of thing.
It's sort of the same thing that I thought when I was listening to people call into shows last night, as we were recording this last night, during the Iowa coverage from this year.
You know, people calling in with tallies from caucuses.
Like, I don't have any reason to distrust them necessarily, but I also have no idea if what they're saying is accurate.
The more I looked into the pages on this website, the more it became clear that this was largely about a sex shop in Osaka that may or may not focus on prostate orgasms.
So one of the things that I found really interesting about listening to this interview with Wayne Paul on the day of the Iowa caucuses 2012, firstly, is that Alex does seem to be subtly pushing back on the idea that Ron Paul is a racist.
And imagine your brother, really for 40 years, but prominently for three decades, traveling the country, writing books, in and out of Congress, battling for basic Americana liberty.
I mean, really nothing special, just basic common sense constitution.
And now, here he is, right as everything he warned of, and you and I and many others and J. Edward Griffin warned of, right as it's all happening, just as we have said, there is Ron Paul.
I mean, that's God giving us a chance.
God, if you study the Bible, Wayne, as you know, always gives people a way out, a chance.
It's startling to me almost to look back and see what in these contexts could seem as a little bit more rational because, I mean, for all Ron Paul's faults, at least he's a politician who's been elected to office multiple times.
I don't know what you hope to get out of this other than maybe pathos.
You know, like, I can't imagine...
If you have a show, like, I wouldn't, it would be bizarre to me for, like, I don't know, Maddow to have Hillary Clinton's brother on or something like that and think it's, like, hard-hitting the day of the Iowa caucus of 2016.
Growing up, how would you characterize him in the family and then throughout his life, what type of person is Ron Paul and what do you make of all of these taking out of tens of thousands of newsletters Taking 10 lines or something and conflating them with other things and then attacking your brother.
Yeah, you need that appeal, and that's going to do a lot of work for you.
Problem is, everybody who's listening to Alex's show already loves Ron Paul, so I don't know who you're hoping to swing by way of, like, what was it like growing up with Ron Paul?
Give us a character that we can all relate to and attach ourselves to.
You're selling a sold car.
That's what you're doing.
It just seems very weird.
Now, about those newsletters.
The racist shit in Ron Paul's newsletters were absolutely not taken out of context, and it's not just a couple lines.
There's a great piece about this in The New Republic by James Kerchick that gets into some of the more flagrant examples of Ron Paul being a gigantic racist piece of shit.
For instance, there was a 1992 article in his newsletter about the Watts riots that said, quote, order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks.
The piece also applauded the Korean store owners, who were, quote, the only people to act like real Americans, mainly because they have not yet been assimilated into our rotten liberal culture, which admonishes whites faced by raging blacks to lie back and think of England.
Or there was the 1989 article that predicted racial violence will fill our cities because, quote, mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from the mostly white halves.
There's a singular fixation in his newsletters about the coming race war and a trend of calling non-whites animals.
In an article from 1992, the newsletter says, quote, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self-defense, for the animals are coming.
There was one from 1996 that opined that, quote, opinion polls consistently show that only 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions.
The newsletters called the end of apartheid in South Africa a, quote, destruction of civilization, and, quote, the most tragic event to ever occur on that continent, at least below the Sahara.
Or who could forget about all the positive coverage that the newsletters gave to David Duke back in 1991, saying, quote, Duke lost the election, but he scared the blazes out of the establishment.
All this makes sense.
I mean, after all, Duke did endorse Ron Paul for president, as did pretty much all of the white supremacist community in the country that has any interest in electoral politics.
Then they don't care about electoral politics, then.
This is a very serious and very consistent type of shit that goes on.
And this isn't even getting into the gay bashing and completely nonsensical revisionist history and anti-communist conspiracy shit in those newsletters.
Ron Paul is not a folksy weirdo who hates banks and war and loves weed.
He's either a violently racist person who had no problem expressing those views in his newsletter, or he's someone so fucking incompetent that he allowed someone else to write violently racist articles in his newsletter in the first person.
And somehow he didn't notice until he was asked about it when he ran for president.
Well, even when Ron was in high school, before he had a driver's license, he worked in a drugstore making sodas and sundaes.
And then at nine or 10 o'clock at night or Friday at Saturday night, he'd get on his bicycle, and it'd take him, it's about a mile from the house, Keep in mind...
There's your brother, hardworking, living by example of his parents, all the things he's done, truly understands the issues, and that's why the system's so scared of him, because they know he can't be bought, and there's no skeletons in his closet.
Whatever Wayne is describing is like, Quaint, and I don't know the legality of, I don't know the details of if you can or can't do that, or you should or shouldn't.
What are the ramifications of it?
But that's not giving people free healthcare.
Whatever's going on is fucked up.
It's weird.
But you see the quote minorities.
Alex is pushing back on this thing by using this as a way of being like, he can't be racist.
It does show the awakening is huge, that despite the lying Decepticon media telling everybody that Ron Paul can't win, he now is the frontrunner, and they are in full panic mode.
What are some of the dirty tricks you're expecting them to pull, Wayne?
Not about the caucus meetings tonight in Iowa, because I believe the people in the individual precincts and caucus meetings are the grassroots, serious-minded individuals, and that means it doesn't matter who they support, any one of the candidates.
They're normally very dedicated, hard-working people.
He announced prior to the caucuses, even as far back as late 2011, that Mitt Romney announced that he wasn't going to participate in the Iowa straw poll.
And he seemed like he was taking a pretty low-intensity approach to the Iowa caucuses as a whole, which allowed people like Ron Paul a big opening to really hit the ground hard, try and get people out to the caucuses.
So despite a fairly meek attempt at wooing Iowa, Romney was initially declared the winner of the Iowa caucuses.
The report of the vote count was said that he beat Rick Santorum by eight votes, which is kind of irrelevant because total supporters don't necessarily translate to the number of delegates in caucus situations.
I don't know if they're stupid, but they're weird.
After the tallies were certified...
It turned out that Rick Santorum had actually beat Romney by 34 votes, but all of it was kind of moot because Ron Paul won almost all of the state's delegates, even though he was 3,800 votes behind either Romney or Santorum.
Delegates are elected, but they're not bound to vote for the person who wins the state.
In this case, Santorum.
Because of this little quirk, Paul's campaign worked to get his supporters in positions where they would be elected as delegates, who were then free to vote for whoever they wanted.
Yeah, I mean, and I also think, like, as I look at that, I think that's not really cheating, but it's a little bit of backroom, not transparent, kind of shady.
He's getting people to rediscover history, rediscover common sense, rediscover what made America great versus the horrible stuff we're being sold by the establishment.
It's the establishment that's got something to hide.
It's the establishment that's discredited and kooky, not Ron Paul.
And every month we exponentially grow, and that's why the system's scared.
And I mean, I think that one of the shortcomings of this podcast so far and like in terms of what we've listened to is that there hasn't been a ton of our coverage of how he promoted Ron Paul during those years.
So on our last episode, we talked about how the Mies Institute believes that you have the right to allow your child to die, because forcing you to feed them is an infringement on your rights.
So, from the article, quote, The fact is, if Cratchit's skills were worth more to anyone than the 15 shillings Scrooge pays him weekly, there would be someone glad to offer it to him.
Since no one has, and since Cratchit's profit-maximizing boss is hardly a man to pay for nothing, Cratchit must be worth exactly his present wages.
So, about Scrooge, this is how they close the article.
Quote, there can be no arguing with Dickens' wish to show the spiritual advantages of love, but there was no need to make the object of his lesson an entrepreneur whose ideas and practices benefit his employees, society at large, and himself.
With philosophies that put private property as the top thing, the highest priority.
And then secondarily...
Libertarianism has a real problem because the non-aggression principle that's so central to libertarian thought is incoherent.
And so trying to apply those two things and apply them to all sorts of life situations, you just end up with nonsensical shit like Scrooge was the real victim and you should be able to let your kids starve.
I'm delighted for the opportunity to be on the radio.
I, again, want to reiterate, we live in the most exciting time of my life.
I think that the United States is going to change in terms of its economic environment.
I think we have the right answers when change is needed.
And I think every citizen of the United States can look forward to an unbelievable prosperity in this country if we turn around and understand what's going on and we fight for our lives.
There is an interesting element in that you have the anti-establishment candidate in 2012 in the person of Ron Paul coming into the Iowa caucuses, which has a slight mirror to the present day with the Democratic primary.
I think there are slight parallels, but far more differences to make them analogous.
But I think that there is that that's really interesting.
And then further, I think I'm...
I'm overwhelmed by how similar Alex is speaking of Ron Paul to how he spoke about Donald Trump, particularly in the lead-up to the 2016 election.
That I was not expecting to find.
And it makes me kind of want to dig more into that.
In order to really be more certain of that, I need to go back and listen to a lot of 2008 and 2012, which I may do.
Maybe something for the future, but for now, it's interesting to take this little glimpse into Alex's Iowa Caucus Day 2012 in order to have something to talk about.