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Feb. 7, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#396: February 6, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex Jones' return to the studio to see how he's doing with the big news of the day. In this installment, Alex becomes fixated on outlawing the Democratic party, goes buckwild on selling his products, and explains how to defeat a fever.

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a
alex jones
17:35
d
dan friesen
01:13:30
j
jordan holmes
27:55
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Clips
d
deanna lorraine
00:44
d
donald j trump
00:37
m
mike adams
00:05
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owen shroyer
00:12
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
dan friesen
I love your room.
unidentified
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have never asked you this, and I'm very curious.
Have you ever watched a foreign language film?
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
What is it?
dan friesen
Oh, that's a second question.
jordan holmes
I will never tell.
dan friesen
No, a ton.
I've seen a ton of foreign language movies.
Chocolat?
jordan holmes
Is that in a foreign language?
dan friesen
The title is.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
No, that one probably is.
That one probably is for sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, easy answer.
Amelie.
jordan holmes
Oh, I guess Amelie counts.
dan friesen
I'm of an age where Amelie...
jordan holmes
That's fair.
I mean, just like, when's the last one?
dan friesen
I haven't seen a lot of movies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not a big movie guy in a long time.
So I was just wondering in an adult format, I guess.
dan friesen
I don't know.
When I lived in Columbia, there was a place called Ragtag that was like the sort of indie film house in town.
That was where all the sort of smaller run movies would go.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Independent films.
jordan holmes
Debbie does Dallas.
dan friesen
Sure, certainly.
After Hours.
Ragtag gets hot.
jordan holmes
It's a fun place.
dan friesen
They would run a lot of foreign movies, and I would end up seeing a lot.
It's really tough for me to bring any to mind right now.
Coming up with names is difficult, but I've seen a ton of them there.
jordan holmes
Right, okay.
That makes sense.
Because I was figuring if you worked at a small town movie theater, it's not like they're playing...
dan friesen
Well, they had Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon back in the day.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great movie.
dan friesen
That's a great movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Fantastic.
dan friesen
That played at our theater for sure.
jordan holmes
That's cool.
dan friesen
Amelie didn't play at the theater I worked at, but it was gigantic when I was of just the right age.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't remember how old I was when it came out, but it...
I was maybe emotionally 16. Oh, yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I remember.
I remember.
unidentified
I think I was like 19, and I was like, oh, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
As an adult, I'm like, fuck you, Amelie.
dan friesen
I mean, you got the sort of quirky endearingness of that movie, along with, you know, I studied French in high school, and so I felt like a particular kinship with Le Mans francophone.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's cool.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the one that sticks out.
Is there?
No, I don't have a better answer.
jordan holmes
Alright, well, that works for me.
dan friesen
I've seen a lot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
What about some Fellini?
They go back that far?
jordan holmes
Alright, okay.
You big Bergman fan?
You big Ingmar?
dan friesen
You talking about the Keaton movie?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's funny.
dan friesen
Birdman?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or a series of unfortunate events or whatever the long...
Yeah.
dan friesen
My mom loved that movie.
I think.
She loved the books.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about foreign language movies, though not specifics about them.
And I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Okay, well this is the first time I know more about the former and still know less about the latter.
dan friesen
So Jordan, today we are coming at the folks with a half-surprise Friday episode for them because...
You know, I feel a commitment to put out two episodes a week, and I don't feel like our Wednesday episode was a full episode.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Granted, it was over an hour long, but it still didn't feel like a full episode, so we must right that wrong here on Friday.
jordan holmes
We gotta hit 210 or what are we even doing?
dan friesen
Yeah.
210 or bust.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
The problem was that in the present day, Alex has been out of studio, and I don't know why.
Well, we'll learn on this episode.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
I didn't know why.
All this big stuff is happening in the world.
Trump voted for the acquittal in the impeachment trial.
The State of the Union happens.
unidentified
Iowa.
dan friesen
The Iowa caucus.
jordan holmes
Iowa.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So all this is going on.
It's like, where's Alex?
Owen Schroer's just hosting.
It's an absurdist nightmare.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so finally, on Thursday, February 6th, Alex comes back to studio.
And, you know, I mean, I hate to call it a breath of fresh air, because it still sucks, but compared to...
jordan holmes
At least it's not coronavirus?
dan friesen
We'll see a little bit about that.
Of course there's going to be some coronavirus talk.
So we'll deal with a little bit of that.
And on a certain level, I apologize to the audience about, like, you know, that it keeps coming up.
But I do feel like we're in the middle.
Of Alex doing a large-scale pageant, like a conspiracy pageant, surrounding the coronavirus narratives and all of that.
And tracking it in real time, I think there is a utility to it, even if it does, at some points, feel a little bit like, ugh, this again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Trust me.
Whatever is being on the podcast, our show...
Is one-tenth of the exhaustion that you would feel if you listened to his show, the whole thing.
jordan holmes
It's like a Croft's dog show, you know?
What does that mean?
I think it's disgusting and I don't like it, but, you know, you gotta keep an eye on it just to see what's going on.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
So, we're going to be covering February 6th, 2020.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
jordan holmes
Goddammit.
dan friesen
And a little bit of February 5th, because Alex did an intro to that episode.
So we'll talk about that a tiny bit, and then February 6th, 2020.
But before we get down to business, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
dan friesen
So first, Kevin, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Kevin.
dan friesen
Indie film director Kevin Smith.
jordan holmes
Ah, I don't think so.
dan friesen
No.
Next, Adam, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Adam.
dan friesen
Indie film star Adam Scott.
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
I was going to go with star of Marriage Story Adam Driver.
dan friesen
Oh, could be.
unidentified
Ah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Kylo Ren.
dan friesen
Next, Anastasia.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Anastasia.
Obviously the star of Anastasia, the animated movie.
dan friesen
Next, Austin.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Occupied Austin.
dan friesen
Next, Angela.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Angela Bassett.
dan friesen
Oh, I was going to go with Angela Kinsey from The Office.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I'll take that one.
dan friesen
Indie TV show, The Office.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
Yeah, you prefer white actors.
That's fine.
dan friesen
Next, Corrine.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Kareem.
Is it Kareem?
It's Kareem.
dan friesen
Kareem.
jordan holmes
K-O-R-I-N-N-E.
dan friesen
K-O-R-I-N-E.
jordan holmes
K-O-R-I-N-E.
I got nothing for that one.
dan friesen
Okay.
Finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who have donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first, Imani, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And I remember this name.
Boingo, boingo, whoopsie knickers.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare.
Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Imani, and thank you so much, Boingo Boingo Whoopsie Knickers.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
I see that name.
I imagine it's a reference to something that I'm completely unaware of, but I can't stop thinking of it just being like someone who's jumping and then they accidentally poo in their pants.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
That's the image that comes to my mind.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
I get Oingo Boingo and also them shitting their pants, so there's that.
dan friesen
Indie band.
Oingo Boingo.
jordan holmes
Starring Ingmar Bergman.
Sure.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, like I said, we're starting out today on February 5th, and it's just a little piece that Alex is recording, and then Owen's going to take over the show and host the rest of it.
So, this is the beginning.
There's a lot going on.
Even on the 5th, there's a lot that's happened that Alex should be leading the show with.
But, of course, he doesn't.
alex jones
Look at this Newsweek article that right now is...
The top story on Google and on Apple News.
This is what the establishment has decided to run today with all the huge news, the State of the Union, the out-of-control coronavirus that now evidence is mounting is a man-made biological weapon.
Despite all of that, Alex Jones' InfoWars YouTube videos uploaded by proxy attracted hundreds of thousands of views despite ban.
So they're doing this to act like I'm totally banned everywhere and to create the illusion that anything I say can't be seen anywhere.
dan friesen
Such an interesting tactic that he's deploying of this, like, they are making it the number one story, which is just sort of a way of covering that he wants to make talking about himself the number one story.
jordan holmes
It should not surprise me to know that with all his...
Well, look at all this big news around!
I am going to talk about me!
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Because I have to, because they've made it the number one story.
jordan holmes
It's them!
It's not my fault!
dan friesen
Such a weird way to deflect the abdication of responsibility.
jordan holmes
I don't mean to brag, but Newsweek has published millions of stories about me.
dan friesen
It is narcissistic, too.
You are correct.
So, interestingly, in this sort of complaining about everybody writing all these major stories about him that are inaccurate...
jordan holmes
Tons.
dan friesen
I think he...
He references Wolfgang Halbig's arrest for the only time I've heard him.
And it's not direct.
He doesn't talk about it.
He doesn't get into it.
This is the only sort of oblique reference that I've heard to it so far.
alex jones
You'll see these headlines every few days that are pushed on the ticker on Fox News, on CNN.
It'll be some outrageous lie.
Alex Jones' employee arrested for stalking families.
Never been an employee.
Have nothing to do with them.
Doesn't matter.
They run that ticker and they talk about it.
dan friesen
So that's obviously about Wolfgang.
People aren't saying that he was an Infowars employee.
He was an Infowars contributor and an associate for sure.
Those are fair descriptions to make.
But yeah, it's just so weak.
Such a weak...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Why would you even bring it up if you're committed to not talking about it at all?
dan friesen
Because he has to create a straw man of it because it's a big enough story that people might hear about it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So you create the straw man of they're saying that he is an employee.
He's not an employee.
That way you could sort of argue against the story without dealing with the merits of it and be like, I did elevate this guy.
He did send out a Sandy Hook parent social security number to a bunch of people.
So, like, I don't know.
It's just weak.
It's a lack of personal responsibility.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a guy being a dick.
dan friesen
So, we have one more clip, I believe, yes, here from February 5th.
And it's Alex talking about an interview that Owen's going to do later.
Which I want to talk about.
But I also don't want to talk about the interview because Owen's doing it.
alex jones
Coming up.
In the second hour today, Dr. Francis Boyle, the author of the U.S. Biological Weapons Convention, will be joining Owen Schroyer live to break down the fact that there's massive evidence, and he says the UN knows, the WHO knows, that this is a...
dan friesen
So that's interesting.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Owen's interviewing this guy.
So like I said, I have no real interest in the interview itself.
Sure.
Which is a shame, because the way Alex is promoting this interview and setting it up, it sounds like a really serious, legitimate guest putting out the message that the coronavirus is a bioweapon and the World Health Organization knows about it and they're covering it up.
jordan holmes
It's happening.
dan friesen
So this guest is a man named Francis Boyle, and on paper, if you just read his bio, you would get the impression that he is someone whose opinion you really need to take seriously.
He is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois and has a resume full of things like being on the board of Amnesty International and various intersections with the U.S. government.
For instance, he did draft legislation that would become the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, which was signed into law by George H.W. Bush.
Though he did work on this draft, it was really just the US version of the pre-existing UN Biological Weapons Convention of 1975, so it's not like he created rules about biological weapons out of thin air.
jordan holmes
He just did a find and replace.
dan friesen
I mean, that would probably be insulting, because I'm sure there were some things to flesh out and polish.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But at the same time, yes, there was a pre-existing framework that just needed to be put onto a US level as opposed to the international.
So, I can find no evidence that he had anything to do with the drafting of the UN convention, and that also seems unlikely, seeing as Boyle would have been 22 when it was drafted, and he would have still been in college at that point.
jordan holmes
Precocious.
Precocious.
That's like...
dan friesen
College student.
jordan holmes
That's like, look, whenever Steve Pachenik was in college, he had already assassinated somebody, I imagine.
dan friesen
Killed Aldo Morrow while he was still in grade school.
jordan holmes
When he was in diapers, he's been killing people across the world.
dan friesen
Sure.
So despite his legal interaction with the subject of biological weapons, people like Alex and these folks, they have a little bit of an impulse to ascribe some kind of experience to him in the field of the science of biological agents, which would be a mistake.
Something that's important to consider when you have someone with what appears to be a legitimate list of credentials making outrageous arguments on Alex's show is their history.
And Francis Boyle has a bit of a history.
What you might call a pattern of calling literally everything a bioweapon breach.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright, alright.
dan friesen
In 2014, Francis Boyle made the rounds alleging that the Ebola outbreak in Zaire, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea came from a U.S. bioweapons release, either due to testing gone wrong or a containment breach.
jordan holmes
And I assume he was proven correct.
dan friesen
No.
In all the articles I can find about this, I don't see him providing any evidence of this outside of vague insinuations and his own suggestions.
Interestingly, what you can find, though, is how his theories were used by the North Korean state media outlets like Pyongyang Daily to attack the United States, which is a really fun byproduct of rhetoric and the work that he puts out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
You put out anti-U.S.
propaganda by yourself and all of a sudden other countries are joining in?
That is rude!
That is plagiarism!
dan friesen
Other authoritarian countries around the world?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This wasn't also his only dip into the pool.
In January 2016, Francis Boyle appeared on Infowars to tell Alex that the Zika virus was a U.S.-created bioweapon.
jordan holmes
Yes, but he was right about that, right?
dan friesen
I watched a bit of that interview, and my favorite part is the first words out of Boyle's mouth.
Quote, I have no inside information.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I heard that, and then I stopped listening.
jordan holmes
Ah, come on.
dan friesen
He's pushed similar theories about the swine flu and probably every other public health issue you can think of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he was right about those, right?
dan friesen
This is the kind of role that Francis Boyle plays on Infowars.
Whenever there's a health-related story, he's the seemingly credible voice Alex can call to say that the outbreak was a planned bioweapon designed to depopulate the world.
When the outbreak is handled and the public's attention moves on, he disappears from the show, so he doesn't have to explain why this attempt at depopulation didn't work.
And then he pops up whenever the next one comes.
jordan holmes
Is he still teaching classes?
dan friesen
I have a hard time getting to the bottom of that.
I'm not entirely sure.
But I think it's one of those things, like when someone has tenure, it's really tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It's really tough to get rid of them.
jordan holmes
We're in a Hamdi situation.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
A Hamdi Ulicaya situation.
dan friesen
What, he has tenure?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
No, he doesn't have tenure.
He was fired and gotten rid of, but he was there for a long time, right?
dan friesen
I think you have the name wrong.
Hamdi Ulakai is the yoga guy.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
Hamdi Ulakai is the yoga guy.
I'm talking about Dr. Yamamoto.
dan friesen
Oh, yes.
jordan holmes
That's who I'm talking about.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ten years.
Yeah, but Yamamoto did get fired.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, he did, but he had to go for a while.
dan friesen
That is true.
So the foundation of his theory seems to be that the U.S. conducting research about things like an Ebola vaccine or a Zika vaccine, that's actually cover for the U.S. conducting research into how to use these things as a weapon.
Honestly, that kind of thinking is just impossible to contend with, because it frames something entirely reasonable, namely researching things that are medically very important, as being proof of international crimes.
What would someone with this position prefer?
Would it be better to not research an Ebola vaccine?
It seems to me that that would be painted as a nefarious conspiracy of negligence, leaving the population as sitting ducks in the off chance that an outbreak did happen.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
They get you coming and going with this sort of position.
jordan holmes
And it's a little bit exploitative of the reality that, I mean, the government has done horrible, awful shit.
And maybe if they hadn't done it, it would be harder to portray them as doing it again.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
There is a level of reasonable distrust of the government with control over viruses.
dan friesen
The operative word has to be reasonable.
Or the healthy distrust must remain healthy.
jordan holmes
Yes.
When you're going on Infowars, health is no longer a concern.
Even if you're a ranger of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, if you are somebody who is going on Infowars, you have...
jordan holmes
Reasonable is gone.
dan friesen
If you're this guy, and let's say that you are really interested in bioweapon-related issues, and you're going on Infowars, the first 15 minutes of your interview should be like, alright, Alex.
We need to talk about all of these bad positions.
In order for me to be on your platform, I must...
jordan holmes
We need to reach a definition of terms, Alex.
Oh, I'm kicked off already?
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
Oh, wait, phone issues.
jordan holmes
Sorry about that.
dan friesen
Bottom line here is that although Boyle had some legitimate-sounding aspects to his resume from the 90s, his more recent career has been marked by some pretty incredible claims generally made on outlets like Infowars.
I can find literally no reason to take what he's saying seriously.
From where I'm sitting, he's basically just the member of the Infowars cast that gives the appearance of credibility to outbreak fears that Alex is using to sell his shit when Mike Adams has kind of ruined his effectiveness by being overeager.
unidentified
It's over for humanity.
mike adams
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
It's tough to go from there and retain your credibility.
jordan holmes
Do not play that clip and just keep moving like that's fine.
dan friesen
I mean, it's tough.
Once you've shot that shot, where is there a left to go?
jordan holmes
I wonder...
unidentified
So here's my problem with him.
dan friesen
Boyle or Mike Adams?
jordan holmes
Boyle.
Is he grifting?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He should be, right?
dan friesen
I don't entirely know what his hustle is.
It would probably take me too long to get to the bottom of him as a side character.
I'm more interested in his utility as it relates to Infowars.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
I'm just saying if you're going to be that guy...
dan friesen
It's possible that he's just off the farm.
It might just be a situation where he has...
Lost his objectivity.
jordan holmes
Right.
See, that's my thing.
If you're going to be this guy, you might as well be grifting at the same time.
If you're this guy and you're not getting paid for it, you're crazy.
dan friesen
Sometimes that stuff's pretty tough, though.
I mean, like, keeping grifts going is a full-time job.
And if you're...
jordan holmes
You're already a tenured professor.
It's hard.
Why grift?
Why grift?
Yeah, fair enough.
dan friesen
So we get to February 6th now, and I was thinking like, ah, it's probably all just going to be more coronavirus talk.
This is going to be no good.
But Jordan, do you remember how Alex said on a recent episode that he was going to get a homeless person in studio and cut the chip out of his arm?
jordan holmes
No, stop it!
You shut the fuck up!
dan friesen
He doesn't do that on this show.
jordan holmes
You son of a bitch!
dan friesen
I just want to remind people that Alex said he was going to do that, and then that completely dropped.
jordan holmes
Dan!
Dan, goddammit!
You have spent so many years building up my trust in order to drop that hammer.
dan friesen
It's unfortunate that, like...
It's so easy to forget those things.
And I don't do a good enough job of reminding...
I should have a ticker going of days since Alex announced he was going to do surgery in studio.
He hasn't even talked about the microchipping narrative.
It's just completely dropped.
jordan holmes
It's gone.
It's so hard to remember anything.
Remember when we bombed and assassinated Iran and we're all like, it's going to be World War III and now we're just like, whatever.
That was two weeks ago.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
It's fast.
dan friesen
It's quick.
So, Alex is back in studio on the 6th.
Man.
Welcome back, Alex.
alex jones
And we are live, ladies and gentlemen, on this Thursday, February 6, 2020 transmission.
And any minute, the President of the United States is going to walk through those doors and he is going to address the people of the United States, people of the world, about the attempted deep state takedown for the third time of President Trump.
They have failed and failed miserably, but they are only fighting harder now because they're puppets of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Puppets.
alex jones
Puppets of the globalists that are being ordered to do this because it further divides and hurts the nation and its very soul and its productivity.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
That's all this is.
The globalists had puppet presidents in the last 30 years.
They don't know what to do now.
They've got not just a president that's the president, but a president that understands the new world order.
And at the last minutes of the American century setting, the new American century has begun.
dan friesen
So, I heard that clip, and it's kind of boilerplate, pretty standard stuff for the most part.
Alex coming into studio, kind of uninspired a little bit.
But I wanted to...
There's some phrasing in there that I think is really interesting.
I want to talk about it a little bit.
It's really weird that Alex is using the term New American Century, primarily because that's what the last three letters in the PNAC document stands for.
The term New American Century in the world of InfoWars is a one-to-one identifier with the Dick Cheney Project for a New American Century document.
Rebuilding America's Defenses is what the main title was, which Alex constantly uses incorrectly to assert that Cheney wanted to use race-specific bioweapons, and he uses it to prove that Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz did 9-11.
This is weird and probably means nothing, but I think it's worthwhile to discuss this for a moment because there's an important thing buried within this that people might not immediately recognize.
Alex is obviously not signaling that he's been a neocon all along and that he loves Dick Cheney now.
He's just a fan of a century of American domination of the world, preferably a new one.
Something that he would describe as a new American century.
This is a very sensible way to express this idea, and I understand why he would phrase it that way.
This is the same thing as George H.W. Bush using the words New World Order in his speech.
Up until that point, there had been a world order.
Where the United States and the Soviet Union had been so preoccupied with each other that they'd failed in their opportunity to be leaders in a global order.
With the ceasing of hostility between the two superpowers and the end of the Cold War, there was a possibility for a world order that was different from the old one.
A new world order, if you will.
People like Alex insist that Bush saying the words New World Order is proof that he was signaling to an evil cabal bent on world domination and a world government, without understanding how these words actually accurately describe the idea Bush was discussing.
Alex is currently doing the exact same thing, using an expression that means something very specific in one context, the context of his show, but also accurately describes the thing he's talking about.
And because I'm not a dumb-dumb, I understand that.
And I don't feel compelled to yell about how Alex is secretly working for Paul Wolfowitz Anyway, I bring all this up because it's a teachable moment about how sad the thinking patterns are that underlie so many of the foundations of Alex's conspiracy theories.
He knows that it doesn't mean anything for Bush to have used the words New World Order because he does the exact same thing.
This is just all bullshit.
jordan holmes
I think this is a very serious situation that requires...
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
You busted.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you busted him.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
It's been busted.
dan friesen
That bit has come back from the dead.
The zombie bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I was very startled to see that.
Yeah, so I think that there's something important in pointing out little things like that.
Like, what is being done is the same behavior.
Alex, if you confronted him about it and was like, hey, you said New American Century, you know that that's code for the PNAC document in Cheney.
jordan holmes
You know that's not what I intended.
It's just a thing.
I was talking about a New American Century.
alex jones
That's what I believe in.
dan friesen
He would afford himself that sort of leeway and excuse that he would never afford anybody else.
jordan holmes
Of course not!
dan friesen
It's just so...
Whatever's advantageous and expedient, you just go ahead and use that.
jordan holmes
The rules are for you, not for me.
dan friesen
Right.
So, Alex was out of studio, and like I said, we get a reason for why he was out of studio.
Man, it's lackluster.
alex jones
The quickening right now is so intense that...
jordan holmes
It's the quickening?
alex jones
I haven't had a vacation in over a year.
My wife said, damn it, we're going to have one.
And so we went ahead and took one, but I was working the whole time, and I got on a plane early and came back because wild horses couldn't drag me away.
dan friesen
He just wanted a vacation.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
I relate to that.
jordan holmes
I'm totally, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm of the mind that, like, hey, if you want a vacation, you can.
Go ahead and do it.
Now, if you're Alex Jones and you're talking about how, like, you have Mike Adams coming on saying it's over for humanity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump is in a death battle with the globalists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The quickening is upon us.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you not, like, look, I understand.
It was a little bit up in the air about when the impeachment vote was going to actually happen.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Maybe we would have witnesses, maybe not.
dan friesen
I mean, it looked obvious that the answer was no.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But there was a possibility.
You didn't know the exact date in advance.
Iowa caucus.
State of the Union.
jordan holmes
You do know when those are.
Those are pre-planned.
dan friesen
He planned his vacation around, like, times when, hey, you know, first of all, we have this pageant going on about the coronavirus, and then two really big events are happening, and fuck it.
alex jones
Look, I'm out of here.
jordan holmes
I support labor rights, and you should be allowed to...
dan friesen
Is it labor rights?
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
14 days paid vacation per year.
dan friesen
He owns the company.
Labor rights become murky when the employer is the owner.
jordan holmes
It is an issue for me, yes.
dan friesen
But I still think, sure, go ahead and take a vacation.
I just think it says something about you when you are this guy who presents yourself one way and then gigantic news events are happening inside and outside of the world you're sycophantic about and you're just like, fuck it, I'm going on vacation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in a certain sense that's also, I think, a very smart move.
Just because...
It goes back to the discussion earlier.
Nobody's going to remember in two weeks.
It's just how fast shit...
Again, we almost started World War III and everybody's like, we've moved on.
dan friesen
No one's going to remember that Alex was gone that day.
Of course not.
jordan holmes
And this way he doesn't have to say something incredibly stupid.
dan friesen
No one remembers that Alex wasn't there the day that the Pope resigned.
Yeah, nobody gives a shit.
No one remembers.
There's a guy who cares.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He met Leo Zagami and now they've got a bunch of ideas.
jordan holmes
Regardless of when you...
If you say that the world is ending and that you need to fight every single moment, you still gotta take a vacation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, the world is ending, of course.
dan friesen
Maybe I should take a cue from him and say fuck it and take a vacation.
jordan holmes
Not a bad idea.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into talking about some new other coronavirus conspiracies.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think that there is a type of thinking that's demonstrated in this clip that is just so bad.
unidentified
Tish.
alex jones
We've got to get ahead of this.
And if you notice the virus numbers, maybe we can punch those back up for a moment while we're waiting for the president.
The official World Health Organization says 28,000 confirmed.
When I walked in here a few minutes ago, it was 24,000.
The internal Chinese numbers that leaked and were actually published in China by the People's Daily said 24,000 dead.
Yesterday.
So what we think they're doing is just putting the number of dead as the number of infected.
Think about that.
dan friesen
So Alex is suggesting that the number of people infected is actually the dead.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's just based on his feelings.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
I mean, it feels like that makes more sense for him to believe.
dan friesen
But he's saying also that this is based on official Chinese government numbers that leaked in the People's Daily.
jordan holmes
He got them.
dan friesen
I can't find the source.
jordan holmes
The Chinese government is leaking things.
Sure.
dan friesen
I can't find the source that Alex is talking about from the People's Daily.
jordan holmes
Surprise.
dan friesen
Because it's not correct.
But I did find an article on InfoWars about this that was written by Paul Joseph Watson.
According to his story, Paul's source was a website called Taiwan News, which is actually an actual news outlet.
The vague name of Paul's propensity for using tweets as sources might lead one to be suspicious, but it's an actual outlet.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I'll deal with Taiwan News.
dan friesen
This article is covering how Tencent's website, they had a website called Epidemic Situation Tracker.
It had briefly shown numbers of fatalities and infections that are way higher than the official numbers that are being reported.
The infection count was 10 times higher, and the death toll was 24,589, as opposed to the official figure of around 300.
These numbers were up briefly, then were changed to reflect the official statistics.
This article does not prove that the numbers that Tencent had posted briefly are accurate.
It's just suggestive, with lines like, quote, some are speculating that a coding problem could be causing the real, quote, internal data to accidentally appear.
Others believe that someone behind the scenes is trying to leak the real numbers.
I don't know what the situation with this is, but it seems entirely plausible that some kind of a glitch could have been responsible for the error.
The theory that someone is trying to leak real numbers is baseless.
And there's nothing supporting that in terms of proof.
It's just something that is suggested like, well, maybe that's what this is.
The speculation that a coding problem is causing real numbers, quote-unquote real numbers, to show up seems even more insane.
Since if your epidemic tracker is built to be a propaganda front to trick people that the outbreak isn't as bad as you say, it seems like you wouldn't connect that to the quote real numbers at all.
Why would that be something that could show up?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
If you're, yeah, yeah.
And nobody at a Chinese outlet.
For a second is going to leak that without knowing I'm about to be murdered.
dan friesen
It seems unlikely.
So you could just have that website show whatever you want it to show, basically.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, quite frankly.
It seems like an error, like that idea that the code is pulling in the real, quote-unquote, real numbers.
That seems like an error that couldn't happen in the setup that they're presenting as what this website is.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
They keep two Google spreadsheets in the same tab and they accidentally clicked over.
That happens.
dan friesen
Totally.
Alex is making tons of money right now, amping up any indication that the coronavirus is as bad as it possibly can be and that everyone is lying to you about it.
He'll accept whatever piece of information helps him push that narrative, regardless of how grounded or substantiated it is, which I think is bad.
Also, we see here again another instance of him misciting his sources because he either doesn't know anything about the story he's covering or he wants to make it more difficult for his listeners to find the underlying information that he's using to push his narratives.
The People's Daily.
It's not the People's Daily.
It's Taiwan News.
It's pretty basic stuff that he's fucking up either because of incompetence or trying to cover the trail.
One of the two.
I'm not entirely sure what it is.
Probably both.
Alex went on vacation.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it turns out.
jordan holmes
He was infected with the coronavirus.
alex jones
I'm going to say something else here.
No.
I have not gotten a fever.
jordan holmes
Knock on wood.
alex jones
In over four years.
And boy, you get on the airplanes today and all the rest of it.
I kept knocking on wood telling you that.
Boom.
Got a fever.
Flying back.
Got something.
My fever's gone now, and I feel great.
Even though everybody else I know has pretty much been sick with whatever this respiratory stuff is.
jordan holmes
Probably coronavirus.
alex jones
Probably is some type of coronavirus.
jordan holmes
There it is.
alex jones
But, boy, I got home last night, and I sucked down some immune gargle.
It tastes like mint.
And I've been a drinking man before, so it tastes like it actually has a delicious schnapps.
jordan holmes
Schnapps?
alex jones
But what it's got is...
dan friesen
At that point, he does take a little pull off the bottle of the gargle.
Gargle is a word for, you know, usually spit out like a mouthwash.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's just drinking it like.
Like it's that dude at the Hershey's Syrup picture that went around.
jordan holmes
It's like a 30-year teacher drinking Pepto-Bismol straight from the thing every 10 minutes.
unidentified
Very weird.
dan friesen
It's a bad image on the show.
Just sitting there with the gargle like, oh yeah, take a pull off this.
It's like schnapps.
jordan holmes
He should not take his own products on the show.
It never goes well.
alex jones
15 parts per million nano-silver.
That's what seen and recognized is safe for you to ingest.
CNN?
The mouth, the mucous membrane, the throat goes down the stomach and does incredible things.
dan friesen
Does incredible things.
So we're launching off here into a pitch where Alex is discussing getting a fever and his products killing the fever.
jordan holmes
Even though he knows specifically a person who has already cured the coronavirus.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, Steve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Steve, he's already cured it.
So why isn't Alex going to him?
dan friesen
I think Alex even knows that's bullshit.
He's not having Steve back around.
jordan holmes
Steve, you can't be doing that shit, you dumbass.
dan friesen
So sometimes people like alternative medicine.
Sometimes people like...
Granny's cures, you know, down-home cures.
Like you tie a rabbit's foot to your bedroom door and the morning you wake up and you're healed, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Witchcraft, perhaps.
Every time you dissect a frog in high school, you get healed.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So a lot of people like a lot of different things.
And it turns out Alex has a little bit of a down-home remedy for how he cured himself of this fever.
alex jones
So I got home last night and said, my wife said, you're hot.
Stuck a thermometer in my mouth.
Had about a hundred and a half temperature.
Bang back.
jordan holmes
150?
alex jones
Some of this good stuff right here.
Super blue silver.
Went over and got my colloidal silver silver bullet.
Took some of that.
Took a couple Advil.
Climbed into bed and slept from 7 until 7 a.m. this morning.
And the fever was gone.
I put on a couple shirts.
Put on a coat.
Put on two pairs of sweatpants, got in that bed in the guest bedroom, wrapped my ass up, and cooked like a turkey.
And got up this morning, and boom, baby, it's gone.
Yes!
But there's something about when you talk, the Greeks noticed it, the Romans noticed it, there's African sayings about it.
They go back thousands of years.
jordan holmes
What are we doing here?
alex jones
When you talk about how you've been successful and how things haven't happened to you that are happening to others, it's not clockwork.
Everybody knows.
You talk about, I haven't been sick in a long time.
You get sick.
I just like, so I was like, I'm trying to tell you I haven't had a fever in over four years, maybe longer, but I just, knock on wood, I don't, and boom.
dan friesen
Wow, it turns out his commercial about how he's superstitious about getting sick, it turns out he's totally right.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
You can't say for two years, I haven't been sick in two years, and then be like, oh, see?
See what happens when you say you haven't been sick in a long time?
alex jones
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Also, there's a lot of variables that don't have anything to do with his silver in that story of how he might have broken that fever.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Advil and 12 hours of sleep, Dan.
dan friesen
And cooking himself like a turkey.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe.
There are a lot of things that could have helped.
dan friesen
One of my strategies in terms of fevers that I've had some success with over the years is taking really hot baths.
You raise the temperature even more.
I don't even know if that works.
It seems like exactly what Alex is mirroring.
But I could just say that I took silver beforehand, too, and then say that the silver helped.
jordan holmes
Yeah, generally, I'm really bad with health.
I'm just like, okay, well, eventually this will go away and I go to work.
dan friesen
You're like my dad, just the waited out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it'll go away.
My body has healed itself before or I'll die.
This is how life works.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Very fatalistic.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I should get some silver.
dan friesen
You're not like Alex.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because he takes silver and he wants you to take it, too.
jordan holmes
I don't know if I do.
alex jones
Boom, you get on an airplane.
Hell, I probably got it four days ago when I flew out on Saturday.
Five days ago, I probably didn't get it flying back, but as soon as I got out of the airport and I was cold, I was like, man, I'm shivering.
So that's what happened.
By the way, this immune gargle will sell out by tomorrow, the big 16-ouncers.
jordan holmes
Shut the fuck up.
alex jones
The small ones will sell out by Monday, and then we have the three-ouncers.
We have a lot of that, but at current sales rates, it'll be gone in about two weeks.
And again, I just discovered last week that there were Homeland Security secret reports.
2007 by the Director of Homeland Security.
jordan holmes
You cheating.
unidentified
You cheating bastard.
alex jones
This nanotech company that puts it out for us is the only thing found by the Pentagon to take out the SARS family, which is the coronavirus family, and that the Pentagon actually buys it from them.
Again, they private label it to us.
They private label the whole family.
But the toothpaste is original.
Immune gargle is original.
This super wound to gel is what the Pentagon gets.
And the military that's going into different operations, they'll take it with them to put a coating on their hands and face and things so that if you do get little micro cuts and abrasions, that kind of swamp, they found that it really cuts back on infections massively.
And I showed you those secret documents.
Well, they said, was it restricted?
What was the word they used when I showed those documents the other day?
It was, it'll pop my head in a moment.
The point is, is that it's selling out.
dan friesen
Yeah, so it doesn't pop into his head.
jordan holmes
Are we past illegal yet?
dan friesen
Man, I think we're getting there, because there's a very notable increase in recent days of Alex marketing this nanosilver and all these products that he has at the nanosilver as a way to protect yourself from the coronavirus.
This might be okay in the case of the super silver wound gel, since, as we've discussed on a recent episode, that product has been tested by the FDA and is technically a drug, not a supplement.
Lately, Alex has been using claims about the super silver wound gel and implying those same claims can be made about the super blue toothpaste and the immune gargle, which both contain nano silver.
His reasoning seems to be that if the FDA has approved the marketing of the wound gel and it has nano silver in it, it must be cool to market any product containing that nano silver in a similar fashion.
jordan holmes
That tracks.
dan friesen
This is very much not allowed by the law.
There are a myriad of reasons why this is not acceptable as a business practice, but probably the easiest to explain is that these products are not even close to the same.
The one the FDA has approved is a topical ointment.
The other ones are things to be taken internally, which makes them completely incomparable.
One really easy way to look at this is that the wound gel has 24 parts per million nanosilver, whereas according to the Infowars store website, the immune gargle has 15 parts per million.
This makes a big difference when considering the products and what they might do to a person.
It's part of why Alex constantly tells his audience not to eat the wound gel, because it would probably kill them.
You would think that the fact that one product is potentially toxic and the other one is not would really demonstrate how you can't make identical claims about them.
jordan holmes
Especially when we're talking about nine parts per million separating life and death.
dan friesen
It's a big difference.
And granted, maybe the wound gel wouldn't be probably fatal, but it has a potential.
jordan holmes
It sure wouldn't make you feel good.
You might get a fever.
dan friesen
You might have to take some other silver.
jordan holmes
You might have to take a lot of silver.
dan friesen
According to the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, paragraph 6 covers statements made about nutritional support.
Claims can be made about supplements to the extent that studies have shown the claims to be true.
Like you can say that melatonin helps with sleep patterns, for instance, stuff like that.
The paragraph ends, quote, a statement under this subparagraph may not claim to diagnose, mitigate, treat, cure, or prevent a specific disease or class of diseases.
If the manufacturer of a dietary supplement proposes to make a statement described in the first sentence of this subparagraph in the labeling of a dietary supplement, the manufacturer shall notify the secretary of the FDA no later than 30 days after the first marketing of the dietary supplement with such a statement that such a statement is being made.
This is to say that even if you provide a disclaimer that the product is not meant to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any condition, if you make a claim to that effect, you're required to inform the FDA within 30 days.
The FDA is not interested in health claims unless they involve two aspects, a substance and a disease or health-related condition.
You need to have both of these things before you risk getting in trouble.
For instance, if you want to say that fruit is good for your health, the FDA considers that health guidance, which they don't regulate.
Health claims, on the other hand, they do, and those occur when there is a substance and a condition.
Alex is very clearly connecting his immune gargle and toothpaste to being helpful in the prevention of the coronavirus, which constitutes a health claim.
I'm not certain how concrete you have to be with your claims before the FDA would take action because he's being so vague and suggestive with his pitches.
It very well may be that, like, you know, you couldn't make the case in court that he's making unfounded health claims.
But for the purposes of this podcast, I'm comfortable saying that that is exactly what he's doing.
Yeah.
unidentified
And the basis that he's using is the FDA approval of the wound gel, which he's erroneously applying to the other nanosuppos.
dan friesen
This is just disgusting behavior.
And anyone who wasn't trying to profit off a public health event wouldn't act like this.
It's literally the fingerprint of a shameless opportunist.
jordan holmes
I think he thinks that by claiming it's the Pentagon and not like a doctor, that's where he's going to be like, oh, see, I'm not claiming that a doctor vetted this.
I'm just saying that the Pentagon, which, hey, the Pentagon does all kinds of weird health shit.
The Pentagon thinks that LSD can control people's minds.
It doesn't matter what the Pentagon thinks.
I'm just saying.
dan friesen
If it comes down to it, that's not good.
jordan holmes
It's weak bullshit, but I think that's what he's angling for.
dan friesen
And it's interesting that these narratives, these ways of pitching these products are emerging at a time when there is a public health issue that Alex is really building in and making a major focus of his narratives.
Using all these memes and dumb, unsubstantiated things to build panic surrounding the coronavirus and then being like, oh, hey, by the way, this nanosilver that I sell, there's secret studies that have been done.
It's just fucking irresponsible and awful.
jordan holmes
And we know it's not going to stop because apparently it's working very well.
This is the first time in a long time he's been happy about sales.
dan friesen
No, totally.
jordan holmes
So I think we're going to hear this going for a long time.
dan friesen
And it's not only the supplement sales.
It's also the food.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And if you look right over here, the storable food, I have a note here from Matt Redhawk that I think I left in the conference room in there.
I forgot to get that.
Guys will bring that to me.
And he gave us a call this morning and he said, well, we are still able to ship food out.
But now it's 10 to 14 days and everybody else is totally sold out.
Anybody else telling you they've got storable foods up this line to you or it's crap.
They've got high quality new fresh food.
jordan holmes
How do you know?
alex jones
24 hours a day.
But now it'll take 10 to 14 days for you to get it.
If you get your order in now and it may go up to two or three weeks by next week and soon they may be sold out.
But they have the food right now to take your order and get it out.
You better get it now.
jordan holmes
Terry, Terry, I think we're going to have to put a clock on this one.
dan friesen
You better get it now.
jordan holmes
Too fast.
Alright, we're going to put an hour on the clock right now, okay?
Everybody get your calls in now, because these are going to be gone by.
I don't even know if it's going to last the full hour, but we've got to put the hour on there.
dan friesen
I got this update from the food people, and it's going to be longer now.
The wait time is longer.
And you know why?
Inflated demand that Alex is creating with his entire hour-long infomercial and all of the content on his show where he's...
Trying to terrify people about the coronavirus situation in order to drive them towards the food sales.
Now, you've got the MyPatriotSupply, and by the way, they're the people who supply a ton of other people who sell survival food.
It's not just Alex.
They're diversified in terms of, I believe Ben Shapiro's food people are them too.
jordan holmes
Ben Shapiro has food people?
dan friesen
Yeah, he sells survival food.
jordan holmes
What the fuck is wrong?
dan friesen
A lot of these people do.
Now, granted, Jim Baker, no.
He is Augustin Farms or something.
He has a different one.
jordan holmes
Okay, good for him.
dan friesen
Which apparently they don't have any food left.
Because Alex has told us no one else has any food.
jordan holmes
Look, if you watch Jim Baker's show, he's going to be like, we would love to sell you survival food.
It's all gone.
dan friesen
I almost guarantee the Jim Baker's pitch is no one else has food.
jordan holmes
Of course it is.
Of course it is.
Not just that, but God wants you to buy his food.
dan friesen
Totally.
So all of this behavior that Alex is engaging in, these sort of deceptive, manipulative sales practices, all it does is funnel people to buy this survival food.
Now there's an increased artificially inflated demand, which is pushing back the delivery times that they can promise, and that appears to be a run on food.
unidentified
Maybe they don't have enough to fulfill all of these requirements.
dan friesen
All it does is exacerbate.
It's almost like a run on a bank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really is.
dan friesen
Alex is causing a food.
jordan holmes
It is.
That's one of those things where it's like they are not bummed.
My patriot supply isn't like, Alex, we need to stick by FDA rules and you can't say these things.
They're like, you keep fucking going.
We're selling a shit ton of stuff.
dan friesen
Well, my patriot supply has nothing to do with the silver.
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
I'm talking about the silver, then.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, even them, too.
I don't know.
I don't know if Alex could get them in trouble.
I think that they're not responsible for the way Alex sells stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
That's an interesting question.
But in terms of my patriot supply, they don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Is, I guess, making false claims about a disease, is that actionable in any way?
Like, saying that the coronavirus is going to kill you and your family tomorrow.
dan friesen
I don't think the coronavirus could take you to court.
jordan holmes
No.
I mean, as a criminal situation there.
I guess it's not inciting a panic or anything like that.
dan friesen
I don't know in what way it would be.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's complicated.
So, we'll get back to...
Obviously, there's more virus stuff coming up.
Weirdly, we get a reprieve from it because Trump is giving a speech.
jordan holmes
Like Nineveh.
dan friesen
Right.
Trump is giving a speech, his victory speech, about beating this impeachment trial.
And so Alex comes in and he starts talking over the applause that the audience is giving Trump.
alex jones
This is a big victory.
Listen to this.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
alex jones
This is fairytale, folks.
This is the real world.
Truth, strength and affection.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
He's in real danger now though.
Now they're going to make a physical move on him.
He better start defending his supporters though.
That's his soft underbelly.
dan friesen
So they're going to make a move physically on Trump.
They're going to try and kill him now that the impeachment went the way it did.
And the only solution to that is Trump has got to get me back on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Christ.
Great.
jordan holmes
We're all going to die.
dan friesen
So the applause is pretty long at the beginning.
jordan holmes
It's weirdly long.
dan friesen
It gives Alex a lot of opportunity to talk over it.
alex jones
Thank you very much, everybody.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So, there's a lot of, like, it's weird that that's the quote that he uses, because I know you know this, but there's not a lot of subtlety in Star Wars.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
The Empire is definitively the bad guys.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
There's no, like, moral ambiguity about it at all.
They're evil.
The rebellion is good.
Legitimately, it's one of the most clear-cut examples of black and white heroes and villains in any movie that I can think of.
And Alex seems to really identify with the bad guys.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's a bad guy.
jordan holmes
They're clones!
dan friesen
And Alex knows it.
The line he's quoting while waiting for Trump to come out and give his impeachment acquittal speech is a line that Darth Vader says after Obi-Wan has been killed and the Death Star is heading to wipe out the rebellion.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
These are the words of an absolute villain on the cusp of wiping out the only hope for freedom from tyranny that's left in the universe.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
This could be seen as Alex being stupid and just a dork.
But I have a strong suspicion that it's really more of a tell about what type of person Alex Jones actually is.
He's a fan of the Empire, and when he sees Trump, his hero, about to give a triumphant speech, it brings to mind Darth Vader on the cusp of solidifying universal rule.
I think that that's why that triggers in his mind.
jordan holmes
How can you not like Emperor Palpatine?
Come on.
He's an authoritarian dictator.
He's maneuvered his way via political machinations to destroy the entire Jedi Order.
Absolutely.
Knock some false flags in there.
He was in control of the droid rebellion at the same time that he was creating the clone stormtroopers.
I mean, this guy knows how to play the game.
Also, he can shoot lightning from his fingertips.
Can you do that?
dan friesen
What's not to like?
jordan holmes
What's not to like?
dan friesen
If you take Super Silver, you can shoot a fingernail with lightning.
unidentified
Can you?
jordan holmes
I don't know if the FDA has approved that claim.
dan friesen
Weirdly, they have.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Trump gets to talking, and he has a little bit of a verbal dip.
Like, in a number of his speeches that he's been giving, he seems to, like, lose track of words.
I think part of that is probably just, like, he's, you know, telepromptering, reading stuff, and sort of like...
Starts saying a word and gets mixed up in the middle.
jordan holmes
He gets bored because he doesn't have an attention span and he's super old and he's dying.
dan friesen
There's a lot of people who speculated about neurological events and stuff like that.
I don't know that that's the case.
I think it would be a bit irresponsible for us to suggest that.
I think it would be dumb for us.
But there are instances where he just clearly doesn't know what he's saying and he starts saying shit.
This is not one of those occasions.
Alex never talks about any of that stuff at all.
And why would he?
It's not the kind of Trump that he wants to.
But Trump is talking in his speech, and he gives a little bit of what I would describe as a verbal dip.
And Alex takes the opportunity, and he just needs to portray it in the way he wants his audience to see it.
donald j trump
Develop friendships and relationships when you're in battle and war, much more so than, gee, let's have a normal situation.
With all that we've gone through, we've done, I think, more than any president and administration.
alex jones
Wow, Trump almost cracked up right there.
unidentified
Oh, did he?
alex jones
He only did that one more time when he talked about dead troops.
He almost started crying right there.
He's taking action now.
dan friesen
He just said situation kind of lilty.
If you watch a video, there's no emotion on his face or anything.
I don't believe for a second he was about to cry.
That seems absurd to me.
jordan holmes
What would it take to make him cry?
Maybe somebody removing his name from a building.
dan friesen
I would assume that would be an emotional moment.
jordan holmes
That's about it.
He could watch Ivanka die in his face and he'd be like, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
The reason that I brought up those things of the media covering these weird...
Sort of hiccups in some of his rallies is because I think Alex is aware of that.
And I think that he heard that as kind of being close enough to that that he needed to reclaim it.
I get the sense that that is what's going on there.
It paints Trump as like an emotional, stoic man, but he still has feelings.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
That can only be expressed on days when troops die or days when you've just defeated your greatest enemy.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, the speech is meandering.
It's long.
jordan holmes
Oh, surprise!
dan friesen
Alex doesn't take a whole lot of interest in most of it, but there's one thing that he loves.
donald j trump
We first went through Russia, Russia, Russia.
unidentified
It was all bullshit.
alex jones
Wow.
We then went through the Mueller report.
Don't delay that.
dan friesen
Don't delay that.
You put it out.
It's the president saying bullshit.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
We're all fucking children, aren't we?
dan friesen
We're just children.
Alex loves this.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He loves the Trump said bullshit.
jordan holmes
Look at him taking it even more to the libs with his words.
dan friesen
Right.
So Alex gets really defensive about like, no, we're not going to edit that out.
jordan holmes
No, the president said it.
Yeah.
alex jones
And you know what?
I'm going to air it.
The Democrats can cuss on broadcast.
Nobody gets in trouble.
Patriots can be in trouble.
I don't want to cuss on air.
The president just did.
We can say that word, okay?
And nobody at the FCC that Trump runs is going to get anybody in trouble.
I'm sitting with Democrats doing what we can't do.
Because he's noting this is the first time in history cussing to show people how serious this is.
We'll be back.
jordan holmes
First time in history, Dan!
dan friesen
Alex is pretending this is the first time Trump has sworn in a speech.
And that either indicates that he has literally no memory for things that Trump has said, or he's a complete fraud and has no interest in anything he's saying being true.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Who could forget the time back in September 2017 when Trump was in front of a rally in Alabama talking about Colin Kaepernick and he said, quote, wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners when somebody disrespects the flag to say to that, get that son of a bitch off the field right now.
alex jones
Out!
dan friesen
He's fired!
He's fired!
Or what about the time on the campaign trail?
Trump discussed how he would deal with ISIS.
Quote, I would bomb the shit out of them.
Or in February 2016, when Trump was holding a campaign rally in Manchester, New Hampshire, where he called Ted Cruz a pussy, while pretending he was just repeating something someone in the audience had said.
jordan holmes
Is pussy a swear word?
That's debatable.
That one's debatable.
dan friesen
It's a vulgarity, at the very least.
jordan holmes
It is a vulgarity, yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
At his speech at CPAC, he said that people were going to start attacking him, quote, with bullshit.
Like, legitimately, Trump cannot stop swearing in speeches.
It's the polar opposite of notable when he said bullshit in this speech that Alex is listening to now.
It's such a common thing.
There have been tons of articles written about it.
Like one headlined, The Profanity President, from May 2019 in the New York Times.
Or one headlined, Donald Trump.
Trump keeps cursing.
Here's why it might help him.
From October 2017 in time.
Or from the Washington Post.
How Trump took swearing mainstream.
Or from November 2019 in the week.
The cursing president.
Alex's angle on this is legitimately unhinged.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
Trump swears so goddamn much that it's the topic of a conversation about whether or not it's an intentional strategy he's using.
He swears more than any other president, and while we're on the subject of people getting away with things, no other president ever would have gotten away with the consistent barrage of bullshit he does at his rallies and speeches.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So Alex might want to calm down with that horseshit conservative victimhood talk.
jordan holmes
Look, if Barack had said this is all bullshit when he was talking about fuck...
Fox News would have been like, look at our powerful president.
Look at how he's unafraid of the libs and he's willing to swear.
dan friesen
Didn't he call Kanye West a jackass?
jordan holmes
He did call Kanye West a jackass.
It was a news cycle for a week.
dan friesen
I don't know what Alex's take on that was.
I'd be interested.
He was angry about it later when Kanye started hanging out with Candace Owens.
But I'm not sure what it was at the time.
Probably didn't even notice.
jordan holmes
God, it's so funny that William Randolph Hearst would have turned this into a reason to end a president.
Like, one bullshit, and it would be like...
And there went Hoover.
He's just gone.
He said bullshit, now he's gone.
dan friesen
Honestly, I think it indicates a certain amount of lack of control.
Like, it's unbecoming.
I know that that's a conversation that may be...
Antiquated and past its time.
But I don't enjoy it.
I don't appreciate seeing a president saying bullshit.
And I'm not puritanical.
We swear all the time on this show.
Because I can't control myself.
jordan holmes
That's how I talk!
dan friesen
I'm not the president.
jordan holmes
Well, it's a little bit like seeing your parents swear for the first time.
Because you think...
These are, you know, when you're like 10 or 11, you think, oh shit, these guys have their shit together.
They're the authority figures.
I know I can trust them.
And then they swear and you're like, all bets are fucking off.
I don't know what the fuck is going to happen here.
dan friesen
Yeah, but there's a difference too between like the...
jordan holmes
I know there's a difference between the president and your fucking parents.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a matter of scale.
So Alex is really insistent that this means something.
Like he's really...
jordan holmes
That he said bullshit?
dan friesen
Yeah, because he's still pretending that he's never sworn.
jordan holmes
He's never sworn before.
alex jones
We paused it when we went to break when he came out and Fox News carried it as well.
It was all bullshit.
And again, I don't even like to use cuss words on air.
dan friesen
Really?
alex jones
But I'm sick of how on broadcast TV Democrats do it on The View.
They do it on Good Morning America.
They do it on their sitcoms at night.
They do it during the family hour.
dan friesen
The family hour.
jordan holmes
On their sitcoms?
alex jones
They do it all over CNN.
They do it everywhere.
But then, if we do it, and we're conservatives, we get in trouble.
But the president just did it, and notice Fox News, MSNBC, they didn't cut it out as well.
Because the president did that to note how serious things are.
dan friesen
Sure.
Like all the other times he's sworn, they all were indications of how serious things are.
jordan holmes
Look, you know, they'll swear on those liberal shows like whatever Bill Maher is.
Do you think Tim Allen is swearing on Last Man Standing, Dan?
dan friesen
That's exactly it.
Their sitcoms are everything that Tim Allen's not on.
That's the definition of the globalist sitcoms.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Everything except for Tim Allen shows.
Home improvement, man.
You're never going to get better than that show.
dan friesen
So there's a weird trend of Alex sort of listening to this speech and rejoicing throughout it like a ghoul.
Like a villain who's just one.
This sounds like an evil person.
alex jones
The deep state has failed severely.
The Liberty Patriot movement is taking over the Republican Party and the Republic.
It's ours!
Ha ha ha!
unidentified
Quiet.
Ha ha ha ha!
Stay not quiet.
alex jones
America is falling back into our hands.
The enemy can feed it.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Man, I guess in their perfect world we rewrite all of the Bond films where the billionaires are the bad guy and it's just like, nope, they're the heroes.
Turns out Bond is bullshit.
dan friesen
He was illegally spying on those billionaires.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
He's part of the deep state, Dan.
dan friesen
He didn't have authority to use those gadgets.
jordan holmes
One, he wasn't in his own sovereign nation, Dan.
What are you doing going from Russia even if you're carrying love?
dan friesen
It's true.
It's true.
Bond was the bad guy.
jordan holmes
He was the bad guy the whole time.
dan friesen
I think an argument could be made from the left that Bond was the bad guy, too.
jordan holmes
I think obviously Bond was the bad guy.
dan friesen
Maybe everyone in those movies were bad.
jordan holmes
I can't remember.
It might be from Russia with Love, but it opens.
He's having this lovely picnic about to go on a nice little boat ride.
All sitting there, he gets a call, and the woman's like, No, put it down.
You don't need that.
And he just whacks her.
He just hits her, and I'm like, Oh!
Holy shit, I have not seen this movie in a long time!
What the fuck?
dan friesen
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me, knowing what I know about Ian Fleming.
jordan holmes
Sean Connery?
Yeah, Ian Fleming, too.
dan friesen
To be fair, I haven't really seen many of those movies.
That was not a genre that appealed to me much as a younger man.
I've maybe seen one or two Bond movies.
jordan holmes
I've seen everything Sean Connery's ever been in.
dan friesen
I find that type of movie...
jordan holmes
I am a Zardoz homer.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
I find the...
Type of movie that's like Bond to be laborious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I find it exhausting.
Okay.
I'll take that.
So Alex's primary goal on this February 6th show is to talk about Trump's speech and then go to calls.
That's basically all he wants to do.
So he talks about how we're going to get to calls here in this next clip.
alex jones
But I do want to take your phone call specifically on this historically and on the coronavirus because there have been giant developments on that front.
And it's going to be a big challenge for the United States, and it is deadly to some, and it is spreading very, very fast, and it is engineered.
That's now confirmed.
So I want to take calls on these subjects.
dan friesen
That's now confirmed.
jordan holmes
Confirmed by who?
dan friesen
Well, the confirmation is that self-retracted study that Alex saw the unpeer-reviewed on...
jordan holmes
Oh, well then that's unconfirmed then.
dan friesen
It is now, but it's become a part of Alex's rhetoric and a touchstone and a talking point, so it shall never be amended, never check in on anything.
That's the confirmation that Alex has, and now in the canon of Infowars information, it's proven.
jordan holmes
It's true.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
So...
Incontrovertible is the word I would use.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this episode also is very heavy on food sales.
Like, he is pushing this shit hard.
Because I think he recognizes that it's working.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a chance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
And then just remember, I've got this statement here from my Patriot Supply.
When you order it at InfoWarsStore.com, we get part of the money to fund our operation.
It's shipped out the very same time they're in our computer system.
We're partners with them for over a decade.
And so it goes right out.
They were seven to ten days.
They had the food on hand.
They just got to package it.
Now it's 10 to 14. Right now they're at seven days.
But the orders are so high and everything's going so crazy.
Just to be safe, they're saying if you get your order in today, it's 10 to 14 days.
dan friesen
The orders are so high.
Alex is recognizing, I believe, that this strategy is working.
That there is an increase in the orders that are coming in for the food based on what he's able to sell it.
The way he's able to sell it.
jordan holmes
It is ironic to me for how much he has railed against China that in some ways China is now saving his business.
dan friesen
Yep, that is a cruel, cruel universe we live in.
So wouldn't you know it, man?
He works with MyPatriotSupply.
And what do you know?
They're the only good food company.
jordan holmes
Isn't it weird?
It's by design.
alex jones
It's packaged in the best packaging you're going to find.
Great.
And I only partner with folks that have quality food and that deliver when they say.
Everybody else, I'm telling you, it's a bad industry.
And I'm sad to have to say that, but that's just the truth.
dan friesen
It's a bad industry, man.
jordan holmes
It breaks his heart to have to say that his competitors are not good.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It breaks his heart.
He wants...
Genuine competition, Danny.
Drives each business to a height that otherwise they would never...
dan friesen
That's a big part of the free market.
jordan holmes
It's like Rafa, Djokovic, and Federer.
If it weren't for all three of them, they wouldn't have reached the heights that they have reached.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I have bad news.
Tennis is a bad business.
jordan holmes
Damn it!
dan friesen
You like Rafa?
Only good tennis player.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he is the only...
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
It is strange.
It's strange.
So he wants to get to calls, but he doesn't because what he wants to do more is really use these narratives that he's built up to sell things.
He's really going hard with sales because, of course, he is.
That's why it hurt that he went on vacation and why he got on a plane to come back sooner.
He needs to get...
You have to strike while the iron's hot.
jordan holmes
Alex, Alex, we saw our sales dip 1,000% whenever you weren't selling.
Owen Troyer sucks.
Leave him up.
alex jones
And they're selling out of food.
And with this coronavirus and the 2020 and all the craziness, if they're able to pop the stock market, which the globalists are trying right now, I think that is a perfect, very distilled down example of how he uses these narratives to drive people towards the sales that he wants to make.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But he's not done selling.
I mean, there's a large chunk there where he's talking about the food, but now he gets back to the silver.
And I think we're entering into, like, really deeply unethical.
It's at very least super unethical.
And I do think that he is at great risk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that I would love to talk to somebody from, like, the FDA.
jordan holmes
You can call them.
They have numbers.
dan friesen
I feel like a snitch, though.
I don't want to do it.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
That's true.
I have lived my life via the no snitching rule.
It is difficult to go against the grain now.
dan friesen
Yeah, it feels like it would be an interference.
I feel like it would also be interfering with Alex's world to an extent that I'm uncomfortable with.
If I were to put in motion something that ends up getting him fined, I don't know, a million dollars.
I feel like that would be interfering with his world and then me covering him dealing with the consequences of that.
jordan holmes
Do you mean the apotheosis of your career?
dan friesen
I can't bring myself to get to that point.
But I would be interested in talking to somebody about where is the line?
Is this past it?
Because it feels like it is.
jordan holmes
Well, it's terrible that we don't have any lawyers who listen to this show.
dan friesen
There are lawyers, but I'm not sure if there are any supplement regulation lawyers.
But I don't know.
alex jones
The big bottle of immune gargle.
It has the patented nano-silver in it.
Instead of me just saying this, let me show TV viewers.
This is from Texas A&M University, Confidential.
And then right here, you've got Department of the Army Headquarters, United States Special Operations Command from the Commissioner of Food and Drug Administration.
And then you've also got the Head of Homeland Security in here.
All saying, Ian.
Confidential documents of the nano silver that we have in super silver and in the super silver whitening toothpaste and in the super silver wound gel.
That's their main product.
We private label it.
We have original products with them because they're big listeners and big fans.
And again, that is the nanotech company, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
When Alex flashed up on the screen the document that he's talking about, if you look at it, it's just about the silver gel.
It is just about the wound gel.
So whatever he's trying to use to apply to these other products does not apply.
jordan holmes
It might as well be a receipt from Bed Bath& Beyond.
dan friesen
He has a responsibility to not act like this, I believe.
Because even these secret documents or whatever that he's purporting to be the basis of this claims, these insinuations that he's making, are not about the gargle.
They're not about the toothpaste.
It's directly about the gel.
I don't know.
I have a hunch that this is not okay.
jordan holmes
I'm always amazed when people buy toothpastes that are infused with something odd.
It reminds me of when they used to sell radiated toothpaste and they'll be like, it makes your teeth glow in the dark.
No, I don't want any of that.
Basic toothpaste.
dan friesen
Why don't you go chew on a stick?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Isn't that how they used to do it?
So Alex gets back to listening to Trump's speech because it's still going on.
And I think he starts to get a little bit bored by it because it's not as aggressive and violent as he wants it to be.
And so he makes a really big declaration.
alex jones
The Democrats work for foreign multinational governments and are totally ruthless criminals and we're all in great danger.
Their party has to end.
The Republican Party has to break in too.
Two-party system is much better than the European model of 10 different parties, 20 parties, because the party in power can always parlay and buy off the other parties to stay in power or just change their name.
Two-party system is the best, and it's not perfect.
dan friesen
So it's worth noting that one of the gigantic hallmarks of authoritarians who are shoring up their power is outlawing their opposition parties.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not shocking.
That's a consistent trend.
So when you see people suggesting that the political party that they're against needs to be destroyed or outlawed, your ears should perk the fuck up.
That they're in the beginning or middle stages of supporting a non-democratic authoritarian form of government, which Alex absolutely is, and that's why he identifies with Darth Vader and the Empire.
jordan holmes
It's a huge thing also to blame your enemies word for word for shit that you are word for word guilty of.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Also, how stupid is his plan?
He's saying that the GOP should split into two parties.
And then that will be the new two-party system because the Democrats are all evil globalists.
But a flaw in this plan is that Alex also thinks that a lot of Republicans, namely the ones who don't worship Trump, are evil globalists.
jordan holmes
Well, it makes sense because what you do then is now that you've split into the two-party system once more, you have the hard right and then you have the middle right.
And guess what?
Dan, the middle right?
Neocons also work for foreign governments.
They're also corrupt.
We gotta get rid of that party, too, and we'll split our hard right into the two-party system.
dan friesen
Basically.
The split would end up being the Trump fetish community on one side and the non-Trump lovers on the other, and just like you said, we're exactly back where we started.
With Alex accusing the side that he's not on of being a globalist racket that needs to be destroyed.
There's no polite political disagreement that's really possible in Alex's world because he believes his enemies are Literal demons.
No matter how many parties there are or how they get created, all the ones he's not in will need to be destroyed.
Alex wants loyal, symbolic opposition.
He wants his Trump dictatorship to control like 85% of the government, then a different Republican Party to be the other 15%, completely incapable of doing anything but providing the appearance of some kind of democracy.
That's more or less what he's expressing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's like the first time we've ever seen anything like this.
It's a really unusual thing for autocracies to do.
dan friesen
You would think a student of history like Alex Jones would be aware of the kind of things that he's advancing as his ideal outcome.
jordan holmes
I mean, it does seem like this has happened before, and since he has read so much history, you know, he would know about it.
dan friesen
I mean, how many books has he read about World War II?
jordan holmes
At least hundreds.
dan friesen
Certainly not a book about what the Nazis did in terms of outlawing political parties.
Great.
jordan holmes
Well, you think the Nazis are the bad guy, and then you realize the stormtroopers were based on the Nazis, which means Emperor Palpatine was based on Hitler, and all of a sudden, you love Hitler.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
So, interestingly...
Alex, like, it's not a stray thought that he has.
This becomes a theme for the rest of the episode, talking about the need to outlaw the Democratic Party.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
donald j trump
The Republicans' party's poll numbers and Donald Trump's poll numbers are the highest I've ever had that.
alex jones
And that's skewed numbers, though.
It's much higher.
Now Trump must deal the political death blow, start indicting people, and he'll get your poll numbers in the Democratic Party.
donald j trump
Because from my family standpoint...
It's been very unfair.
alex jones
It's got to be disbanded.
It's a criminal organization.
It's a mafia.
Disbanded.
That's not a radical statement.
jordan holmes
Yes, it is!
alex jones
No borders, no walls, the USA at all.
End the Democratic Party.
Outlaw it!
dan friesen
He's calling for Trump to outlaw the Democratic Party.
There have been a series of red flags along the way in terms of what Alex Jones wants.
There could not be a larger, easy buzzer here.
Like, the reddest of flags.
A deep red flag here.
Just like, hey, Alex wants a dictatorship here.
Alex wants an authoritarian regime surrounding his incompetent weirdo leader.
jordan holmes
I do feel a little bit like I'm on name that tune and we're two words into it and I hit the buzzer and I'm like, autocratic rule.
Autocratic rule.
unidentified
Move on.
dan friesen
I mean, this is a real easy one.
Outlawing your political opposition.
I mean, even, like, Trump coming to power with the lock her up, the idea of jailing your political opposition, I mean, that's the nascent form of this.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because you could kind of weasel around it with, like, I sincerely believe that Hillary Clinton has committed all these crimes and she needs to be incarcerated.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's sort of like a, hey, you sound a bit like an authoritarian trying to shore up power.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Hey, you can kind of get around it.
Yeah.
Outlawing your only viable political opponent party.
I think you've gone way past the point.
Yeah, absolutely.
This isn't a radical statement.
That's a definition of a radical statement.
jordan holmes
No, from a legal basis, when Trump leaves office, which 50-50 shot at this point, he should go to jail.
There's no other...
Whether or not you care about party affiliation, he's committed the crimes necessary, and he has a long pattern of committing the crimes, and he's going to continue to commit the crimes as long as he's free.
So it's not a political statement to say he needs to go and...
To jail.
dan friesen
And the thing, too, is probably if Trump were to be in any trouble after leaving office, it would be something that should be beyond the scale of our justice system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, he ends up with, what, the UN or something?
And then that just justifies all the narratives Alex has ever told.
jordan holmes
The Hague is going to be in real trouble.
dan friesen
It's a no-win situation.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So anyway, Trump starts rambling, telling stories about Steve Scalise playing baseball.
And Alex, I think he's getting like, this is not what I wanted.
I wanted a fire and brimstone speech where Trump was going to come out and say, the globalists are fucked.
I beat this impeachment.
You guys are going to pay.
He said bullshit, man.
That means this is serious.
jordan holmes
It's about to happen.
dan friesen
And then Trump starts talking about Steve Scalise playing baseball.
donald j trump
And the first pitch, Steve's in his second base, and the guy is really in bad shape.
unidentified
And I said, this is terrible.
jordan holmes
A shot.
Ground ball shot.
alex jones
It's hit to second.
unidentified
And Steve, I say, I didn't have time to think too much, but I said, this is not good.
donald j trump
That ball is going toward him.
unidentified
And this guy stopped that ball, caught the ball.
He's now laying down.
alex jones
He throws the ball the first base.
unidentified
He gets it out.
I said, it's the most incredible thing.
alex jones
I've never seen that play.
I've never seen anything like it.
What Trump does is he humanizes everybody.
And he shows the world he's human, not this demonized creature, this straw man they built.
dan friesen
I think Alex is partially right when he says that Trump humanizes people, but he needs to be more specific.
jordan holmes
White people.
By standing next to them, they are more human than Trump.
dan friesen
No, but through the rhetoric and the words that he uses, he humanizes really bad white people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like he...
dan friesen
He seems to dehumanize...
Non-white people.
Like who?
jordan holmes
Like who?
Like, what are you going to say?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Sure, we'll give you that one.
Rashida Tlaib?
Sure, we'll give you that one.
dan friesen
They also go back where they came from.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not like he gave out good statements whenever previous...
How many civil rights leaders have died?
Oh my God.
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're not doing good.
There's a trend.
When Alex says that he humanizes people, it's things like this.
There's Steve Scalise, who sold himself as David Duke without the baggage.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You humanize...
Who is this guy?
There's good people on both sides at Charlottesville at the Unite the Right rally.
That's humanizing people who are not great.
jordan holmes
Who among us hasn't wanted to commit racially biased crime?
dan friesen
When I say that he humanizes white people, I should be clear.
I don't mean white people as a whole.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
I mean people who have some white issues.
Some people who are not good.
jordan holmes
I will say that he probably wouldn't try and humanize me.
I think he would probably leave that white person out of it.
dan friesen
Call you, I don't know, I'll just call you a globalist.
So anyway, Trump gets to talk about how he thinks that Scalise is awesome.
unidentified
Steve, he is fantastic.
donald j trump
You are fantastic.
unidentified
You and Liz and...
dan friesen
I don't know who Liz is.
Steve Scalise's wife is named Jennifer.
jordan holmes
She's great.
dan friesen
Neither of his kids are named Liz.
jordan holmes
Love Liz.
dan friesen
I have no idea who he's talking about.
I looked into it because there was a female Capitol Police officer who was also injured.
jordan holmes
Maybe she was Liz, yeah?
dan friesen
Nope.
She's not named Liz.
jordan holmes
Well, she's a woman.
We don't need to talk about her.
dan friesen
I don't know who he's talking about.
I think he forgot Steve Scalise's wife's name is Jennifer.
That would make sense.
I'm suspicious of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when we're talking about conspiracy theories, let's go with Trump can't read.
dan friesen
So Alex is hearing all this talk about Scalise, and even though Alex loves Scalise, I think he's getting sick of these nice words.
Like, he's really starting to get pissed off.
alex jones
Again, we're analyzing what the president said.
I get he's being friendly and trying to be human, which he is, everybody.
I'd like to see more attacks on the deep state and the globalists, and how there's going to be criminal action against him.
He's already said some of that.
dan friesen
So I just think he's like, ah, too much nice talk.
jordan holmes
I want him to go Q. I want him to release these sealed indictments.
I want him to attack.
dan friesen
But also accuse bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now that he's free of all of this shit, it's time for him to consolidate his power base.
Disband the entire Democratic Party.
I assume, at very least, hang Nancy Pelosi in effigy from the fucking White House.
dan friesen
But that is exactly what he's on.
He's hyper-fixated on eliminating the Democratic Party.
jordan holmes
I want him to attack.
I don't want him to bring the country together.
Fuck no.
The country shouldn't be together.
Half the country should be gone.
dan friesen
And the people who vote for Democrats should be forced to vote for...
Other Republican.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they should be forced to vote for Republicans, like Biden or Steyer.
dan friesen
They should have their political party outlawed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
You know what we need?
We need a new Republican party, and I know just who should lead it.
Pete Buttigieg.
dan friesen
Why?
I mean...
It's ridiculous.
Anyway, Alex wants the Democratic Party gone.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Now.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
You've got over 10 major parties in England, and you had the conservatives blending with over 50-something percent.
It's over for labor.
So the same thing, we can kill this party now if we, how do we do that?
Because they are a criminal anti-American group that says the country shouldn't exist.
Well, that's not a political party.
That's a foreign enemy operation.
dan friesen
So he's just really on this tip.
Like, I don't know where it's coming.
I mean, I know where it's coming from.
But I don't recall him going on these rants so consistently and hitting this point so hard.
I don't know.
It's weird.
It's not a good sign.
jordan holmes
I really do think we're getting past the point where he's bought his own bullshit.
What?
dan friesen
Destroying the Democratic Party?
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
We're really past the point where he was exploiting this autocratic kind of bullshit, thinking, okay, well, yeah, I know Trump's mobbed up.
I see now he's got all this white aggrievement shit.
This is perfect for my base.
We're going to ride this out.
And then he just forgot that he was lying.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's possible.
It's possible.
It's hard to know what goes on within the hearts of men.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
William Shakespeare.
jordan holmes
I've heard that guy.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex goes to break, and he comes back.
And you might have heard a voice in the background.
That's because Owen Schroyer is now in studio, sitting with him and being ineffectual.
But Alex comes back, and he's doing a little singing.
But it's not to the highway, Matt.
jordan holmes
You're not allowed to even hear James Brown.
unidentified
I got it.
I got something that makes me want to shout.
alex jones
I sure do.
unidentified
I got something that tells me what it's all about.
I got soul.
alex jones
And I'm super bad.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I got soul.
alex jones
And I'm super bad.
unidentified
Now I gotta move.
jordan holmes
You do not.
alex jones
Come with the Holy Spirit?
dan friesen
He thinks this song's about the Holy Spirit.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Also, James Brown's Get On The Scene Like A Sex Machine, also about the Holy Spirit.
jordan holmes
God, James Brown is so good.
Funky drummer is...
dan friesen
It's also about the Holy Spirit.
jordan holmes
Because all drummers have the Holy Spirit.
I was a drummer for years.
dan friesen
So, Les, do you think that singing along with I Got Sold super bad, if you think that put him in a good mood...
No, it did not.
jordan holmes
How could it not just run bangs, man?
Come on!
dan friesen
He's still complaining about the Democratic Party and how they gotta go.
alex jones
While we're feeling nice about defeating the Democrats, the fact that we put up with this so long is really a crime.
dan friesen
Wait, you put up with this so long?
And the Democrats, like, what about, like, wasn't it just a few years ago that Alex was above the political...
jordan holmes
I think George W. Bush...
Really should have just disbanded the Democratic Party.
That makes sense.
He's been ideologically consistent.
dan friesen
Alex's entire identity for so long has been about like, hey, the whole left-right paradigm is all an illusion.
They're all the same.
But now you're saying you put up with this for so long from the Democrats.
They're just saying you were secretly a Republican all along?
Because that's what everyone said.
jordan holmes
It does seem like where we...
Because we figured this out a long time ago, but...
His paradigm is not the left-right paradigm.
It's the white-non-white paradigm.
And that's where we're at.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's the classes of person that he is against the other.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because Christian is so important to white, male, cisgender.
Like, all of these heterosexual, all of these identifiers.
Right.
And that's what's so important to him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
not necessarily the Democrat or Republican, but now he's recognized that his quote-unquote patriot folk, the liberty folk, have taken over the Republican Party.
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Well, it's not, because there should be two Republican parties.
Sure.
God, he's so stupid.
Does he not even hear...
When you say, get rid of my political enemies, and then let's take my political friends and split them in twain based on whether or not they worship Trump's ball sack or not, and then guess what?
They're the new fucking globalists, and we just do it over and over and over again, based on instead of, oh, now we're evangelicals, now it's, oh, you're not my type of evangelical, you're a megachurch evangelical.
Guess what?
You're out of the Republican Party, too.
Like, it's fucking obvious.
dan friesen
Yes, this is the mentality that Alex is just a part of.
Like, it always ends up this way.
I know, it's just awful.
Division leads to more division, leads to more division.
Yep.
So Alex in this next clip, he starts taking some calls, and he gets a caller who is trying to give Alex proof that a major quarantine in the United States is about to happen.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And the proof that he provides, I think, is thin.
alex jones
Big prep for incoming outbreak.
Repeat what you were saying.
You're watching this around the country, not just in Idaho, but the group's prepping for what again?
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Basically, I still have connections back in the Bay Area in California, and so they're doing an emergency job fair for commercial truck drivers for liquid O2 and CO2.
Normally, you wouldn't think anything of that, but you're like, why so specific?
But because of what's going on with the coronavirus, you know, they know what's coming, and so this is what they're getting ready for.
dan friesen
Or maybe not.
I don't know.
That's not proof of anything.
jordan holmes
Normally you wouldn't think that's suspicious.
And I will continue to do that.
dan friesen
This weekend there are multiple job fairs in Chicago.
jordan holmes
For CDL?
dan friesen
For specific fields.
Some of them are in the healthcare field.
Some of them are for school bus drivers.
jordan holmes
Oh, school bus drivers.
They're the ones carrying the most viruses.
dan friesen
I mean, this is just...
Nonsense.
But Alex, you know, he jumps off from this and tries to justify why he believes that this outbreak is the real deal, as opposed to in the past when it was all fake, even though in the past he's said it was real, but the globalists are doing it.
I don't know.
It's weird.
His nonspecific terms that he uses around what's real and what's fake, it's also...
Indecipherable to the point of not mattering.
But anyway, this one's real and very bad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Until it's fake.
dan friesen
Well, it will be eventually.
alex jones
This isn't normal because they're not hyping it, but the real ground-level action is for a crisis.
Same thing in China.
Not hyping it, but acting like it's the end of the world.
Clearly, a thousand videos coming out showing all sorts of men shooting people at checkpoints.
Piles of dead bodies and body bags.
Clearly, this is much bigger.
dan friesen
So, like I said, Alex has no precise definition of what he means by the globalists hyping something.
That's such a nonspecific idea that he can just throw it around however he likes.
Like, even if the World Health Organization and the media are covering this outbreak, he can say that they're not hyping it enough because they're not saying things like...
unidentified
It's over for humanity.
mike adams
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
They're not hyping it.
jordan holmes
If they hired Flavor Flav, then we're golden.
Then there's no complaints about hype.
dan friesen
They're not hyping it like my friend, the health ranger, does.
jordan holmes
He wasn't hyping.
He was keeping it secret while at the same time treating it like it's a very big deal.
dan friesen
This is all just manipulation tactics to justify the conclusions that Alex is already operating off.
And that conclusion is that this is a civilization-level threat, which is actually a bioweapon deployed by the globalists.
You should be very scared of it.
And the only solution is buying all of the products that Alex sells.
That's legitimately the entire game.
So the stories that he's talking about, that woman being shot at a checkpoint is based on an unconfirmed video someone tweeted.
I have no idea if it's real or not, and it's not even a video of her being shot.
It's just someone on the ground who appears to have been shot.
I have no idea if it's real, and the last few times in this whole coronavirus season of Alex's show, I've seen things being posted that are very old videos that people are recirculating claiming to be current.
I don't know if that's the case here, and neither does Alex.
He doesn't care to know, because assuming it's real and current helps him sell the fear that he needs to sell his products.
Someone being told to stay in their home if they're sick isn't really a bizarre story, so I don't really know how that's being presented as some kind of outrage.
Not sure what the angle is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if Alex points to a video of somebody getting shot and saying that it's current, I want a fucking newspaper in that video.
Otherwise, I'm going to assume it was from 12 years ago and it's bullshit.
dan friesen
No one being shot over is good.
It's missing it, but I don't know.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I'm just saying that that's how they exploit it.
dan friesen
The applicability is tough here.
The stuff about the crematoriums and body bags is all stuff Alex is reporting from an article on Michael Snyder's Economic Collapse blog, which was recently pushing the chicken vaccine patent narrative, along with other meme-based outbreak conspiracies.
All the stuff that's on this site, it's based on the same sort of evidence.
alleged photos and possibly out of context quotes from people in the Epoch Times.
None of this rises to the level of solid reporting, as best as I can tell.
It's really hard to get solid information about this situation, but that's not an excuse to traffic in hearsay and speculation.
The main reason why you're seeing this type of reporting out of all of these right-wing blogs and websites is because they have very low standards for what they accept as proof And at this point, also, they're all selling food, apparently.
Probably.
A lot of them are.
A lot of them are.
So, I don't know.
Alex can say all this stuff about, like, it's obviously way worse because I've seen all these things.
Some of them are memes, and some of them are absolutely old videos being recirculated and being repurposed as about the coronavirus.
Some of them are stories like the chicken vaccine patent that Alex still thinks is real.
And there are things that are anecdotal.
Like, if you see a picture of some place that has two body bags in it...
You, in your mind, assume, well, there must be a lot more.
Whereas it could just be two people died in this hospital.
So you can't run on anecdotal stuff in terms of assessing the scale or scope of any of this.
And Alex does.
jordan holmes
Cut to 15 years from now.
We would like to welcome our new director of the World Health Organization.
Carpe Donctum!
dan friesen
Better choice.
So Alex starts talking here about how...
I didn't cut a clip of this, but earlier Alex was ranting about how when Trump calls him, he doesn't, but when he used to call him, Alex would be like, I don't need recognition.
I don't need you to pat me on the head.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
I just want you to get the globalists.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex mirrors that theme here.
alex jones
Trump knows the average person just wants recognition.
And that's great.
People will get their arms and legs blown off for medals.
Or at least that's what Trump thinks.
That's not why they really did it.
That's why for most people it's embarrassing to get those medals.
I want victory over these people because I know they're evil.
They're trying to dominate my soul and my will.
And I'm fighting against that.
dan friesen
I think that's about Rush.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's about Rush Limbaugh getting the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, getting a medal.
I didn't get a medal.
Rush got a medal.
Oh, all he did was get cancer.
I can get cancer.
dan friesen
I think it's just more deflection of, like, I'm not motivated by that.
I just want to get the globalists.
It's embarrassing for most people to get medals.
jordan holmes
After we listen to the Piers Morgan follow-up at the gun shop, where he's like...
Hey, we had...
dan friesen
You should have me back on the show.
jordan holmes
We had really great ratings.
You should have me back on the show.
I'm not about...
Like, fuck off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I went there and I confronted him and the video was like, Hey, man, we had a great time.
Hey, ratings were up.
You should have me back on Utah.
I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck off.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about how, like, really, it is all just about defeating the globalists for him.
And he's been very consistent about that, though some people have not.
alex jones
That's why they're all over the news at that time, going, get rid of Jones, take him off air, sue him, destroy him.
Don't let the president see any Alex Jones.
Don't let him talk to Alex Jones.
Because I'm like, you cannot trust the people you brought in.
And I had conversations with other folks who were talking to the president at the time.
They're like, well, don't talk bad about John Bolton.
You know, I've had a lot of drinks with him and played poker with him.
dan friesen
That's definitely Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Absolutely Roger Stone.
alex jones
And I said, listen, he's against everybody.
Stop thinking that.
And later it's been proven right.
So, yes, that's all I've told the president to do is remove all these enemies around him.
dan friesen
No, you didn't.
jordan holmes
No, you did not.
dan friesen
You did not.
jordan holmes
Not even a little bit.
dan friesen
You believed Roger Stone 100%.
jordan holmes
Hook, line, and sinker.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
Every single word Roger Stone whispered in your ear, rat-fucking you like a monster.
dan friesen
You asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Owen's been in there sitting along, not contributing too much.
To each according to his ability.
Sure.
Alex wants to talk some culture issues with him, and Owen's got an interesting take on why culture was better than the past.
unidentified
You kind of just sit here and you open your eyes and you're just like, well, what is this?
Nobody likes this.
owen shroyer
Well, of course nobody likes it.
unidentified
It's not about giving you what you want.
jordan holmes
It's about...
dan friesen
Force-feeding.
owen shroyer
Yeah, ingraining that into children's minds, too.
unidentified
So children think that, and they think, oh, that's normal.
owen shroyer
So, you know, children aren't growing up seeing the Clint Eastwoods.
unidentified
They're not growing up seeing the Elvis Presleys.
owen shroyer
They're not growing up seeing the John Waynes.
They're growing up seeing Nas in a female cowboy outfit.
dan friesen
He's talking about, like, Lil Nas X. Yeah, he's not talking about Nas.
No.
What do those three old-time role models have in common?
jordan holmes
They were all dead before Owen Schroyer was ever born?
dan friesen
Some identifying...
jordan holmes
Or their careers were, at least.
dan friesen
Some identifying characteristics.
It's hard to put my finger on.
jordan holmes
So we've got Clint Eastwood.
We've got...
dan friesen
Elvis Presley.
jordan holmes
Elvis Presley.
dan friesen
We've got John Wayne.
jordan holmes
And we've got John Wayne.
Well, let's see.
One of them was gay.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
The other one stole all his music from black people.
And then Clint Eastwood talked to a chair.
I think we're good.
dan friesen
All right.
Something unites those three guys.
I'm not sure exactly what it is.
So anyway, Alex sells his silver more, and I really think he's playing with fire.
And it's even evolved since the last time we talked about this.
Not the last time we talked on this episode, but a couple episodes back I was mentioning, he's getting weird about this.
It's evolving.
alex jones
I don't make claims without showing you.
I was only authorized to do this about a week and a half ago.
And I'll show TV viewers an overcam of this.
The Texas A&M University Health System Center.
This is, again, confidential.
And it's the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Tom Ridge.
And it goes over the fact that they're looking at this U.S. Department of Army, Headquarters of the United States Operations Command.
That's out of Florida.
dan friesen
Who cares what the addresses is?
alex jones
And they go on to say that the Pentagon and A&M and others have found that the American Biotech Labs LLC patented nanosilver has been found to knock out the SARS.
It levels better than anything else they found at that time.
It's 2007.
And, of course, the coronavirus is in the whole SARS family.
It's the antecedent of it.
It comes with a progenitor.
jordan holmes
That's not how that works.
alex jones
That's the type of stuff we sell and what we bring to you.
The truth is, any silver from our research helps with this stuff.
This is just the best stuff you're going to find out there.
dan friesen
Infowarsstore.com I think he might be flying too close to the sun here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's pretty blatant.
dan friesen
Because as best I can tell from the documents that he showed on camera, it was not them saying the nano silver has been proven.
It's this product had.
The gel had been.
You can't apply claims just because they have the same ingredient in it because the ingredient is at different levels.
It's formulated different.
It's taken up in different parts of the body.
It might not be, according to the FDA, according to trials, clinical trials, it might not be internally effective.
It might only be topically effective.
You can't play this game.
And it's a game Alex is playing very clearly.
I don't know.
We'll see what happens.
jordan holmes
If you can't afford the nano silver, just start eating silver dollars.
It's not 100% silver.
It probably won't kill you.
You might pass it someday.
dan friesen
Knowledge fight does not stand behind these medical claims.
So one of the phenomena that I see a lot is Alex will start going down some road and then you'll see his collars mirror it.
Oftentimes it takes a couple days when he starts doing something weird for his callers to be like, hey, you know what?
I like that.
In this case, two seconds.
It's pretty quick.
unidentified
And what I want to see President Trump do is step up like any self-respecting big game hunter and finish off the Democrats.
dan friesen
So you see callers calling in and saying, I mean...
Obviously, he's using a metaphor.
He's not saying that Trump should shoot the Democrats.
jordan holmes
He's not saying he should step on their throats and fire into their place.
dan friesen
He should finish the job.
He's mirroring Alex's desire to see the elimination and outlawing and banishing of the Democratic Party.
It's very fast.
Alex is pushing that pretty hard on this episode, and I think the callers hear it and get it.
So now Alex has a guest.
He also has Owen Troyer sitting in studio, and he's got a guest.
And I feel a little weird about this.
alex jones
Well, Deanna Lorraine is going to be riding shotgun with us for the next hour.
She's running against Nancy Pelosi and has been pulling off some really great stunts, if you want to call it that, to expose that monster.
We're going to her in just a moment.
dan friesen
So this candidate, who's running against Nancy Pelosi, apparently, has pretty much guaranteed that she's not going to win by appearing on InfoWars.
This is not a good tactical decision on her part.
But it's a good way to get some attention in specific communities.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they said that about Trump, Dan.
dan friesen
I don't know much about Deanna Lorraine, but I do know that people have been gunning for the female Congress members in California for quite a while, namely Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters.
One of the people who was doing so was Omar Navarro, who used to come on Infowars a bunch and talk about how he was going to beat Maxine Waters, which he never succeeded in doing.
And he's never going to, because Omar Navarro is currently in custody, facing multiple charges for stalking his ex-girlfriend, who had put out restraining orders against him.
His ex-girlfriend, coincidentally, is Diana Lorraine.
Obviously, I empathize with her for what she had to endure, the abuse that was subjected to her by Omar Navarro.
None of that is her fault.
It's just interesting to see her going the exact same route that Navarro did politically.
She's running a completely doomed campaign against a longtime congressperson in California and promoting herself on Infowars, which seems weird.
She can't possibly expect to win, but for the best I can tell, it's got to be some sort of a publicity stunt.
Alex says that she's been pulling publicity stunts.
Seems like it might be a cash grab, and maybe she learned that from Omar Navarro.
Talking about Navarro to the Daily Beast, Lorraine said, quote, I think a lot of this power has gotten to his head.
He has a lot of money now from campaign donations.
I think there's a...
Entire possibility that you recognize you run a doomed campaign where you try and get a little bit of mud thrown on the rivals of big political donors on the right.
They're going to fund you even though they know you're going to lose.
It's just, they get a lot of money that way.
jordan holmes
And the only way you get indicted for campaign finances abuse is if you make too much money or you accidentally win.
Like that dumb asshole who vaped all the time.
dan friesen
The vape guy?
jordan holmes
The vape guy, yeah.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
It's really complicated for me because I obviously don't think that any of the negative aspects of her association with Omar Navarro are her fault.
I wouldn't point the finger at her for that.
He's an asshole who stalked her.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck that guy.
dan friesen
I just think it's fascinating that both sides of that equation are running against...
California Democratic Congress people, and they both choose to promote themselves on Infowars.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
You get a grift, you find the grift, and you keep it going.
That's the simple tactic.
dan friesen
It's very strange to me.
I don't really know how to handle it, honestly.
jordan holmes
I start running against leftist candidates or Nancy Pelosi.
dan friesen
So Alex has Lorraine on, and they talk a bit about how she's going to beat...
Nancy Pelosi, which she's not.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that someone couldn't, but it's not a Republican.
jordan holmes
No, it's not her.
No, it's doubtful.
dan friesen
I see zero chance of that.
So they talk about that a little bit, and who cares?
It's blustery nonsense.
But they end up taking some calls, and this caller calls in, and she is saying that she had a health situation in the past that she recovered from.
But now she thinks that it might have been the Wuhan coronavirus and that a lot of people maybe, just maybe, have been getting that coronavirus for a long time and recovering and we just didn't know it was here.
It's a long-term game.
And this is weird.
unidentified
Maybe the virus has been here already for quite some time and the people who have been getting it and surviving it, it's been crippling those.
That's kind of why the global cooperation and the quarantine.
Measures really don't match up with each other because they know it's...
alex jones
I know.
There's been a bunch of weird respiratory stuff going around.
It killed three of my family six years ago in two weeks.
They all got it with a few weeks.
What?
We should all die within a month.
So you don't have to tell me.
I absolutely agree with you.
And that's...
Ellen got really sick respiratory when he got locked up in a D.C. jail.
There's a lot of stuff going on out there.
dan friesen
I don't know about the precise details of Alex's family members or anything like that.
I would just say that there's some examples of people...
Who have gotten things that Alex is talking about, and all of them are opposed to vaccines.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, hey.
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
It's an interesting cross-section of Alex's family and Owen Troyer who works for Alex.
All aggressive anti-vaccination.
jordan holmes
If you die of a disease that you could have been vaccinated against, that's God's will, Dan.
You're not taking those globalist vaccines to live past when God said that you should die.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
The guy who proved that ulcers were caused by bacteria did so basically by ingesting a shit ton of bacteria and then curing it.
I challenge her to infect herself with the coronavirus.
dan friesen
You mean this caller?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know if we'll be able to track her down to make this challenge.
jordan holmes
I challenge her to do show.
dan friesen
I doubt she's a listener of our show.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So, I wasn't all that interested in Deanna Lorraine and her appearance on the show.
And I almost would have just ignored it entirely, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wouldn't even brought up the fact that she had restraining orders against Omar Navarro, all that.
I probably would have just left it all alone because she's someone who is running against Nancy Pelosi as a Republican in California.
jordan holmes
Not going to happen.
dan friesen
It does not seem like it's going to work.
So I would have just been like, ah, who cares?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But then she says a bunch of stuff and I'm like, nah, got to talk about her because she thinks.
That this coronavirus, it's a bioweapon.
alex jones
Ms. Lorraine, please comment on the coronavirus.
deanna lorraine
Oh, gosh.
I mean, you know, they are so not telling us the truth about it.
There's so many lies.
I feel like there's absolutely some manufacturing going on.
I think that it probably was a manufactured virus.
And, you know, I mean, look, it's just very convenient that it happens to come out right at this time and it happens to influence these areas.
It's very odd, so I don't think anything is coincidental, and I think it's probably manufactured.
alex jones
Well, I don't regularly be conclusive, but I can tell you, decisively, major universities that do this studied it and said it's got the HIV delivery system on it.
It's been manufactured, and then the U.S. Biological Weapons Treaty author comes out and says it, and then all this other...
dan friesen
He always says that.
alex jones
This is something else.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
So Alex is saying that this is definitive based on this study that's retracted and inconclusive, not peer-reviewed, can't really use this as proof of anything, and Francis Boyle, the guy who says this all the fucking time on your show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he was right.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
It's definitive.
It's concrete.
It is not.
None of this stuff he's talking about means anything.
But it is interesting.
I think this might hurt Lorraine.
In the general?
Yeah.
I bet she won't make it out of the primaries.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
No.
There's going to be a red wave that gets rid of Nancy Pelosi in her seat.
I don't know, man.
Well, they'll probably...
dan friesen
I mean, look, Pelosi is ripe for critique, certainly.
jordan holmes
Oh, she should be kicked the fuck out.
dan friesen
There's a lot of things that, certainly from the left and from the right, people have a number of complaints about her, and certainly that tearing up the speech at the end of the State of the Union.
jordan holmes
So brave.
So brave.
dan friesen
I think...
jordan holmes
So brave to send a message to Trump.
I hate paper.
dan friesen
So, sure.
I think there's a lot of complaints.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Some of them valid.
Some of them from Alex, not so valid.
jordan holmes
Not so valid.
dan friesen
Here's one of those.
alex jones
This isn't a joke.
This is an Infowars.com article just went up.
Bitter Pelosi claims Trump was drugged during State of the Union.
It looked to me like he was a little sedated.
Here it is.
dan friesen
Oh, how young we were when Alex and Roger Stone were saying that Trump was speaking weird at speeches and rallies because the globalists were putting slow-acting sedatives in his Diet Cokes.
Oh, how innocent that was and how offensive it is for Pelosi to suggest he was on a sedative.
unidentified
How dare she say the thing that we said!
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
So I feel like you want to leave.
And if that's the case, you and Owen Troyer have something in common.
Because he doesn't want to be doing this anymore.
jordan holmes
Good for him.
dan friesen
He has a show to do of his own later.
And Alex will not let him leave.
alex jones
Let's ram through a bunch of calls here.
Owen, by the way, you were trying to go.
unidentified
Yeah, Alex won't let me go.
I'm supposed to host the War Room for three hours from three to six, and Alex is like, no, you stay with Cobra.
You stay with Cobra.
alex jones
That's true.
Baroness joins us.
Deanna has done well.
Deanna has done well.
unidentified
You got a lot of good stuff coming up on the War Room today.
dan friesen
Again, Alex cannot frame what he's doing except by the bad guys.
jordan holmes
Being the bad guy.
dan friesen
There's no, like, why wouldn't you be G.I. Joe?
Why are you Cobra?
jordan holmes
You know who my favorite people in the show Captain Planet were?
dan friesen
Pollution?
jordan holmes
None of those fuckers who had their goddamn rings or that guy.
He's blue.
Get him out of here.
What more globalist proof do you need than he looks like the globe?
unidentified
The foot was actually the good guys in the Ninja Turtle.
dan friesen
It's strangely consistent.
Alex just being an identifying...
With the villains.
jordan holmes
You know, there's a difference between anti-hero and the most evil person that could be.
dan friesen
And G.I. Joe with Cobra is, again, like, that's another one of those, like, there's no ambiguity here.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
This is a very clear case of good and bad.
jordan holmes
Especially if you are a United States-loving fucking patriot, you would think that G.I. Joe would be your hero, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a small factor of this, too.
unidentified
I think this one...
dan friesen
And I mean, maybe even it's the case with the Star Wars one, too.
It's just like, there's only a few impressions Alex can do.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So, maybe it does.
jordan holmes
Maybe if he could do a really good Willy Wonka, he'd be a nice man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's just the impressions that led him down this dark path.
dan friesen
What if it is?
What if it's like, these are the only skills I have.
I can embody these couple voices.
jordan holmes
I could do it, or I could...
dan friesen
That's tragic.
Tragic.
If only someone would have taught him Obi-Wan Kenobi impression.
jordan holmes
Man, you really start to think about Calvinism, whatever you hear about that.
dan friesen
A lot of predetermination in Alex's abilities to do impressions.
So Alex takes more calls after Owen leaves, and I think this call is really interesting because I think it really embodies a caller who is so close to understanding that Trump is stringing people along.
To get reelected.
It's so close.
jordan holmes
I love those guys.
dan friesen
I love them.
This guy is one hair away.
jordan holmes
I love them.
dan friesen
It's so close.
jordan holmes
I love them and they're never going to get there.
unidentified
You know, we're all like five-year-olds waiting on Christmas for Trump to do something to these guys.
And what I was going to say is I just think that he's waiting until his second term.
I don't think they were going to let him.
He knows if he did something, it could go against him on that second term.
dan friesen
How?
unidentified
So I think he's holding out.
There's too many people on the fence.
What's your thoughts on that, Alex?
alex jones
No, I totally agree.
dan friesen
So he's so close to understanding that, like...
He's waiting until he gets re-elected to do anything.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
That's the classic thing.
unidentified
It's like, yeah, of course I'll do that as soon as I'm re-elected.
I'll lock her up.
dan friesen
That's the first thing I'm going to do.
jordan holmes
As soon as I'm elected, I'll lock her up.
Well, I can't do it.
I don't have the political capital until my second term.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
It's tragic to me the way in which that's like, oh man, you almost get it.
Well, you do get it.
You're just delusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're deluding yourself into thinking that, like, yeah, this time for real, it'll be whenever he gets back in, it's all going down.
jordan holmes
No one wants to admit they got conned.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of that, like, okay, when will you get to the line if every step you take is halfway there?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
They're just never going to get there.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's just never going to happen.
dan friesen
Nope.
And it turns out that Deanna...
Is also on this tip of, like, Trump probably in the next term.
jordan holmes
Oh, for sure.
dan friesen
He's probably going to do it.
jordan holmes
Any moment.
dan friesen
And she has a very specific thing that she wants to happen to Trump's enemies.
And if you're aware of the larger conspiracy ecosystem, what she wants to happen tells you about what she believes.
deanna lorraine
I really hope that he's holding all that wrath.
And justice for a second term because I can't take it anymore.
I'm getting really impatient here.
And we need justice.
I mean, that's why we elected him into office so that we can actually get justice and get these bad people in Gitmo or behind bars where they belong.
dan friesen
She's into QAnon.
jordan holmes
Release those sealed indictments, Dan.
There's 23,000.
Have they moved up yet?
Did he not write any more sealed indictments?
dan friesen
The saying that they need to be sent to Gitmo is a strong indicator.
That's what they talk about a lot.
That's a Q thing of all of these Adam Schiff and Christopher Strock or whatever.
All these people are going to be Mueller.
They're all going to Gitmo.
Obama.
They're all going to Guantanamo, and that's why Trump's not closing Guantanamo, too, also.
jordan holmes
See, I don't think Q even knows how many cells there are in Gitmo.
dan friesen
Plenty, for all the globalists.
jordan holmes
I really don't think so.
dan friesen
Plenty of them.
jordan holmes
It's not as big as we think.
dan friesen
When she's saying things like that, it's just a clear indication.
Like, oh, you're into the Q stuff.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yep.
So I have one last caller, and I think that it's interesting the way this caller phrases what he wants Trump to do.
alex jones
Tim, what do you want to see when Trump gets re-elected?
What do you want to see day one?
unidentified
I want to see him unleash the Kraken.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
I've heard that before.
dan friesen
Dan Badandi?
jordan holmes
I think so.
I think so.
dan friesen
He wants Trump to...
jordan holmes
Dan Badandi is out!
unidentified
He wants to send Dan Badandi somewhere?
jordan holmes
Weird.
Thank you for re-electing me.
dan friesen
So wait.
jordan holmes
Dan Badandi is freed!
dan friesen
So, if I understand correctly...
Dan Badandi is the solution to the globalists.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that, but now it makes so much sense.
It's almost too obvious, Dan.
dan friesen
Alex talks about this a little more, and it's so funny to me to know that that is the way he talked about Dan Badandi.
Dan Badandi's nickname was the Kraken.
Responds to this guy's call without any awareness of the fact that he's being sued right now.
jordan holmes
The Kraken never worked for me, by the way.
In case you were wondering, he needs to release the Kraken, but that is not an employee of InfoWars.
alex jones
That's exactly what I was told, that Trump intends to release the Kraken once he's re-elected.
I was told that by somebody very close to the president.
So we'll see what happens.
And of course, the Kraken brings destruction on evil cities.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
Like Newtown?
jordan holmes
No!
That's not how the Kraken works.
The Kraken is a cold, unfeeling monster that tears apart everything in its path.
dan friesen
Right.
So Alex saying that he's heard this in the second term is now him just feeding into the exact same wish fulfillment narratives that that other caller was very close to recognizing is characteristic of what's going on.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just very sad.
It's a sad day.
jordan holmes
It's such a thing that they're primed for, and they have been for so long.
dan friesen
And I think more than just Trump supporters are, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
I think it's a human impulse.
jordan holmes
Of course.
But, I mean, especially Infowars listeners, just on account of how many years have we been waiting for the summer of rage?
dan friesen
Summer of rage.
jordan holmes
Summer of rage is coming.
dan friesen
The economy is about to collapse.
jordan holmes
It's coming here.
Okay, well, it didn't this time, but next time it's coming.
They're still planning it.
They're 10 years behind.
dan friesen
The globalists have been...
Pressing the price of gold forever and it's about to all fall apart.
jordan holmes
Well, it didn't this time, but it's going to next time.
dan friesen
Yeah, among other things.
It's so characteristic of their style of rhetoric in the broadcast.
Absolutely, you're sitting ducks for that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
And we did it too when Obama was elected.
We're going like, he's going to actually do something about the bankers.
He's going to actually do something about the buh.
He's going to close Guantanamo Bay.
The very thing that we were just talking about.
dan friesen
And it never happened.
I think you could get wrapped up in that, and I think a lot of people did.
But I do think...
And I'm sure there are parts of the right that you just never hear from that respond similarly.
But from a lot of the left that I'm more familiar with and aware of, there was more of a hope that that was what was going to happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But not like a, this is definitely...
jordan holmes
That's very true.
Obama's going to release the Kraken.
That's a really good point.
That's a really good point.
dan friesen
But I'm certain there are some Republicans who are the same way.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
Hoping these things.
Like, I don't know, Medicare goes away.
jordan holmes
I don't want Social Security when I'm older.
dan friesen
They hope that Trump will accomplish those things, but they don't look at it in the same way of, like, if he gets re-elected, he'll release the Kraken.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying, Dan, is that I am on a fixed income, and I would very much like my president to take it away from me.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's good thinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, anyway, we get to the end of this episode.
I think there's an interesting thing that's going on.
The not interesting thing is certainly the continuing of the coronavirus stuff and the, let's say, consistent thread of it all being soft and weak.
That's not all that interesting, but it's my charge, I guess, to keep tracking it as it goes along.
Also, very sad that there wasn't the in-studio surgery.
I'm sorry that I got your hopes up about that.
jordan holmes
That is a disappointment.
You really got me.
You really did get me.
I trusted you for so long, and you leveraged it for that one moment.
dan friesen
It's been a three-year prank.
jordan holmes
It was a good one.
It was a good one.
End of show.
dan friesen
And the other thing, too, is the continuing of the food sales.
Clearly it's going well, and Alex is leaning into that.
And the escalating, I would say dangerous way he's selling the silver.
Not necessarily dangerous to people, because I don't know if it really would harm them to take it.
Maybe they don't have the money to buy it, and he's hurting them that way.
jordan holmes
Entirely possible, yeah.
dan friesen
But it's not so much that he's jeopardizing people's health by promoting the silver, except for maybe as an opportunity cost.
Because he'd be like, don't get vaccinated, take the silver, and maybe that would be bad.
But it's dangerous.
jordan holmes
It's the woman sending her last five bucks to a prosperity gospel preacher, where you're like, fuck you.
You're an evil person.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's dangerous.
jordan holmes
Not the person giving the five dollars, obviously.
dan friesen
No, it's dangerous on that front.
But what I more mean is the way he's engaging in salesmanship is dangerous to his own interests.
And I do see that trend continuing and maybe even getting worse.
I'm interested to see how bad it can get.
I have a sense that he'll sort of stick around this point for a while.
I don't know if he'll go any further.
But I don't know if he would.
I don't even know if there would be any consequences if he did go further.
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
I think the fact that he's so public and such a high-profile person, he might get in trouble.
But I was reading some article from 2013 where a guy who was...
I can't remember his name, but he was a guy who was in the FDA and he was talking to...
I don't know.
I think it was Business Insider.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Some publication.
Maybe The Week.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
And he was saying that 70% of...
Supplement manufacturers are marketing their products inappropriately.
There's a decent chance that so much of this just doesn't ever get anybody in any trouble.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I was like...
How many cases in the past year has the FDA brought?
dan friesen
Probably a ton that you've never heard of.
I think they also have a lot of issues to deal with.
That might not be the highest priority for them.
I don't know.
There's a decent chance.
That's another reason why I don't want to snitch.
There's a possibility you do that and it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
You want to still have some faith in the system working.
dan friesen
I'm interested to see where that goes even in the next while.
It's entirely possible he could get worse on that.
And then this trend of the Democratic Party has got to go is a very disheartening turn.
jordan holmes
What's most terrifying about it is the propensity that we've seen for the right-wing news media to recycle.
Or to take these horrifying things from the hard right and just kind of smooth them into rounded edges.
dan friesen
You'd hear Tucker talking about this in a while.
jordan holmes
Ostensibly, he's in the middle.
You're talking to a middle-of-the-road Republican, and somehow Tucker manages to use language in such a way that they're like...
Well, you know, I used to think that the two-party system required the Democrats, but now he's making a good argument.
dan friesen
Trust me, you could just split the GOP.
jordan holmes
We could just split the GOP.
You know what?
I don't like those hard-right guys.
Some of those guys are Nazis.
I think I'm the Democrat now, as long as we get rid of all the Democrats.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, there are other flaws to the two-party system that I have.
There are many.
And the Democratic Party itself.
There's a whole bunch of other issues that I think are important, but certainly aren't relevant to this conversation about Alex's shit.
Yeah, I mean, it is worrying.
I'm not entirely sure if this is something that would trickle because it's so fucking overtly out of line.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
And I think one of the things that makes it so out of line is that I think that there is a valid way that you can behave this way and not be authoritarian.
Like, let's say...
We need to destroy this party by winning all of the elections.
We need to supercharge organizing in states, looking down ballot.
We need to get to a point where we make them irrelevant through democracy, showing that our ideas are better than theirs, our candidates are better.
There is a way to talk about destroying your opposition without saying...
Trump should outlaw it.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's not like the country was born with only Democrats and Republicans.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There was the Democratic Republicans.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
We've had so many political parties.
The no-nothings, although they were more like, oh, shit.
We've been here before.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's not so much, I mean, to clarify a tiny bit, it's not so much the idea of getting rid of...
This party that is the problem.
It's the means by which you seek to do it that is markedly and specifically authoritarian.
And that's a problem.
jordan holmes
Like when the know-nothings used to beat the shit out of their political opponents.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's that.
dan friesen
It's not surprising to hear from Alex, but it is troubling.
And I worry about where it might go.
Because, I mean, this trend that we've been seeing for at least the last couple months has been like...
Everything is downward.
Everything is downward.
I'm spitballing here.
I'm wondering if all of these sales that he's getting by way of the coronavirus sensationalism, all the food buckets that he's moving, presumably this increased silver sales.
I'm wondering if the thing that was driving him towards being so much more extreme was the desperation of running out of money.
If all of these sales are happening and his numbers are looking better, will that trend not continue?
I'm seeing the answer is no.
He's doing well on the sales, clearly, on this episode, and now he's saying outlaw the Democratic Party.
jordan holmes
I was going to say that earlier.
One reason that I think the shit about the virus is so weak is because the sales are so good.
Even if he's peddling lazy nonsense.
Memes stuff.
Why would he even bother doing any more research?
He can just say, Corona's coming to kill you and I've got the documents.
Buy silver.
It's so easy for him.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
It's upsetting.
jordan holmes
It's very upsetting.
dan friesen
I'm bummed out.
We'll see what happens.
I mean, even as much of a bummer as that is, it's still, you know, I hate to go through all of this to do another episode.
You know, fast turnaround time.
We're recording this on Thursday.
This is Thursday's episode and all that.
But, like, still a big relief that Alex is back in studio.
Because then I know he's in Austin, for one.
I know where he is.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
We gotta have an eye on him at all times.
In our world, we need to know where he's at.
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For one.
dan friesen
And then for two, all these other people are so fucking incompetent that, like, even as terrible as he is, he's still so much better at this than the rest of those ding-dongs who work at InfoWars.
So anyway, welcome back to studio, Alex.
Hope you had a great vacation.
Sorry you got a fever.
Your silver did not cure you.
I hope the FDA doesn't come after you and we'll be back.
Until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's right.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at GoToBetJordan.
dan friesen
We are also on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
And if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes or wherever podcastual apps are sold and download, subscribe, review, donate.
Do the whole thing.
We love it.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
We will be back.
But until next time, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I think Trump swearing is important.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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