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#393: January 28, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their coverage of Alex Jones' horribly irresponsible coverage of the news. In this installment, Alex tries to turn a quarantined city into a sales pitch for his food buckets, and Steve Pieczenik stops by to make a bombshell announcement about the Coronavirus.

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alex jones
10:34
d
dan friesen
44:55
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jordan holmes
16:25
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mike adams
02:02
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steve pieczenik
03:54
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unidentified
*outro music*
*outro music*
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Kind of a big event happened last night.
dan friesen
Well, it wasn't last night.
It was Sunday night.
jordan holmes
I don't know what day it is.
dan friesen
It's Tuesday.
jordan holmes
Well, a big event happened for me Sunday night, and that was Rafael Kyrgios!
An incredible match.
Amazing.
Anyways.
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Rafa Nadal.
My two favorite players.
dan friesen
Just guys running around going, Dan!
Dan!
jordan holmes
She says about to get into, how was the Royal Rumble last night?
dan friesen
It wasn't last night again.
unidentified
It was Sunday.
dan friesen
Glad you asked.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
I have some thoughts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I thought you might.
It was fun.
It was really interesting.
The Royal Rumble was Sunday and 30 people enter the ring and then have to be thrown out.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
The way they did it this year, it was a really interesting structure to it that I actually really didn't like in the moment, but I like in hindsight.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's not how you enjoy sports, but okay.
dan friesen
Well, it's not sports.
unidentified
Sports entertainment.
jordan holmes
That's fair enough.
dan friesen
So Brock Lesnar is the champ, and he is a monster of a man.
jordan holmes
He's very large.
dan friesen
He's a giant pile of beef.
jordan holmes
He's quite scary.
dan friesen
Yes.
And he beats up everybody.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
dan friesen
And so he's the champ, and he decided he was going to enter the Royal Rumble and put himself in the first.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He was number one.
He's the number one entry, so he'd have to fight through everybody.
jordan holmes
Everybody, of course.
dan friesen
Which is a cocky, cocky move.
jordan holmes
It's a bit of a, for a scripted show, it seems like a bit of a cocky move.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so he enters first, and of course he just beats up everybody who comes out.
So like the first 15 people that come out.
jordan holmes
Just get their ass kicked.
dan friesen
Just get thrown out.
jordan holmes
The first guy was thrown out immediately.
dan friesen
Well, it was Elias, and his character is this guy who has a guitar, and he sings sarcastic songs at people.
jordan holmes
I forgot, I haven't watched wrestling in a long time.
dan friesen
So he comes out, and he starts singing a song insulting Brock Lesnar.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And so Brock runs out of the ring, grabs him, and throws him out.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
He had to have been gone in two seconds.
dan friesen
And along the way, they give you little moments of hope, like maybe a couple people will be able to work together and take him out.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So it gets to halfway through, and all hope has sort of been diminished.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then finally, this big Scottish guy named Drew McIntyre comes in, and this other guy, Ricochet, kicks Brock Lesnar in the balls.
Gotcha.
McIntyre kicks Lesnar out of the ring.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
The place goes crazy.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
And what you realize, sort of in hindsight, is they had to do all this stuff that's kind of unsatisfying and a little bit disappointing in order to get you to enjoy when McIntyre does kick Lesnar out.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So in hindsight, I kind of enjoyed that.
And then the rest of the people who came out, like...
You know, it is what it is for the rest of the Rumble.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But they had a guy, Edge, who's a wrestler who was around back in the Attitude Era.
And like back when I was watching way back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember Edge.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was the rated R superstar.
Yep.
And he had like a really, really traumatizing neck injury about 10 years ago.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he had to retire.
And it was just, like, this horrible thing where, you know, he has this emotional retirement.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
You know, he loves being in that.
He had some of the craziest moments from, like, back when I remember watching wrestling.
Like, he and Christian, these two guys were a tag team, and they had these insane matches with the Hardy Boys.
Like, tables, ladders, and chairs matches where they did just things like, you should be dead.
jordan holmes
The whole thing.
dan friesen
You should be dead doing this stuff.
And so anyway, he had to retire, and it never seemed like he was ever going to come back.
And he came out in the 21 spot.
jordan holmes
In the 21, and the whole place went apeshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, his music hit, and it was just out of control.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
People freaking out.
But what I found really amazing about it was...
Like, watching the moment when he comes through the fog, the smoke machine that he has, he looks almost like he's going to cry.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, just this moment of, I am back doing this thing.
There's a...
Put wrestling aside, there's just such a human moment you can see in his face of like a stadium full of people getting to feel that moment again of like, this is what I was meant to do.
I never thought I'd be able to do it again.
It's just so universal.
jordan holmes
It is amazing.
I remember Lou Gehrig did that 10 years after he retired.
dan friesen
Is that right?
Take all of the bullshit about people not liking wrestling or whatever.
It's fake.
Whatever.
Take all that out of it.
That moment, I think, makes up for any kind of negative...
Review you might have, like, this match is boring or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That makes a night.
jordan holmes
Being able to create that moment is far more valuable than putting on a 30-person Royal Rumble.
dan friesen
And it's not even like you're creating it.
Life created that moment.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Being able to facilitate it and provide it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because as much as it is, like, this emotional thing for Edge, it's also for the people who love him and missed him, you know, like, as a performer.
So that was great.
Anyway, I have a lot of feelings about...
I have a lot of feelings about non-wrestling aspects of the Royal Rumble.
jordan holmes
The wrestling!
Very sidebar to your story here.
dan friesen
Some of the other stuff that happened was fine.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a bit about that and a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about it either.
dan friesen
Right.
So, Jordan, today we're going over the January 28th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
Episode of the Alex Jones Show.
jordan holmes
We're not doing this all year.
dan friesen
Yeah, we are.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
unidentified
Oh, you bet we are.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
dan friesen
I wanted to not do a present day episode because we've done a couple in a row.
I think we all kind of get the sense that Alex is just going to be talking about the coronavirus and really exaggerating and being irresponsible about it.
jordan holmes
A lot of chickens are going to get sick if they don't get that vaccine.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
It feels almost like you're just beating the same drum and it's annoying.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so I wanted to try and do something else, but man, I went down a lot of avenues and none of them were good.
I listened to two episodes of Project Camelot where Carrie Cassidy interviews magicians.
And neither.
We're any good.
jordan holmes
See, now I feel like I have to go listen to them just to confirm for you.
I never listen, but how can Carrie Cassidy fuck up talking to two magicians?
dan friesen
Hey, man.
jordan holmes
You go one for two at least.
dan friesen
Hey, you got the time.
Go watch them.
jordan holmes
I don't give a shit.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I'm confident in my assessment.
jordan holmes
All right, we'll do a reverse.
dan friesen
All right.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm giving up climate change.
dan friesen
100% fine with that.
jordan holmes
Only Project Camelot.
dan friesen
Please do that.
See if I give a shit.
So anyway, we're here.
And I'm actually honestly pretty glad that I ended up being sort of backed into a corner with a bunch of like, this is not a good thing to cover.
This isn't going to work.
And having to retreat back to the January 28th, 2020.
Because I think there are some things that are worthwhile in this.
Some having to do with the coronavirus.
Some having to do with other stuff.
And we'll get to all that in a moment.
But before we do, got to give a thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Sarah, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Sarah.
dan friesen
Thank you, Sarah.
Next, ooh, this is appropriate for the Royal Rumble.
Thank you so much, Samoa Joe.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Samoa Joe.
No, no.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Next, thank you so much, Morgan.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Morgan.
dan friesen
Thank you, Morgan.
Next, Brandon.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Brandon.
Thank you, Brandon.
dan friesen
Next, Kitty Unpretty.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
jordan holmes
You don't need to be that self-deprecating.
dan friesen
Maybe they're just a big fan of TLC.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
That is possible.
dan friesen
Next, Juice Man, number 32 man.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Juice Man, number 32 man.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, first of all, Mason, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
Next, David, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Anthony, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Mason, David, and Anthony.
jordan holmes
That sounds like Dave Anthony from the Tollip is really into Mason.
dan friesen
It could be a 33 degree.
If you are a Mason inducted into the Scottish Rite and you would like to support the show that we do here, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
We would love it.
dan friesen
Alright, so, we get down to business.
jordan holmes
Although, then again, I don't think our show should be funded primarily by Masons.
dan friesen
I mean, if it's outside the auspices of their Masonic-ness, I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
You know, it's like they say, all money spends, or whatever.
I don't know.
Anyway, we start off the show, and Alex has some suspicions.
alex jones
Isn't it interesting that the coronavirus has been heavily studied by the Chinese Communist government, by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and through a sub-foundation that Bill and his father fund.
Two years ago, they patented the coronavirus for use in a vaccine, and now they may be able to rush it into production to protect you.
And your family.
Aren't we just blessed and lucky?
Just last week the media said there is no one working on the vaccine.
It's a conspiracy theory.
There are sites out there saying that there's government groups and others that have vaccines secretly developed and that this has been staged to push vaccines on the public.
But now NBC News J&J's scientific officer pretty confident they can create Coronavirus vaccine as outbreak widens because they've got a bunch of patented viruses of it that have been patented for use in a vaccine.
So you just mix it all up and there it all is.
dan friesen
You just mix it all up.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
So it's not suspicious that scientists are working on a vaccine for a novel strain of coronavirus that just appeared.
jordan holmes
No, that's exactly what they should be doing.
Why wouldn't they be doing that?
dan friesen
It's exactly what you'd expect to see.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Based on the entire history of every situation that's ever happened like this.
You can see here how Alex has incorporated that chicken vaccine patent into his narrative and laundered it, so now it's just accepted fact.
This is often how Alex works, and it's one of the things that honestly is the most frustrating about doing this kind of work.
If you aren't listening when the narrative launches, it's often completely impossible to track down what he's talking about because he just speaks in vague buzzwords that evoke something to his audience but lack any of the details you would need to confirm what he's saying.
If you didn't know that he's lying about the Pure Bright Institute having a patent for a vaccine for poultry, it would be really hard to take the details of what he said in that last clip and trace it down and be able to learn more about what he's talking about.
And that is an intentional strategy.
He's now turned this into a talking point.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
The media didn't say that it was a conspiracy theory that people were working on a vaccine.
Many of the articles that I've read in preparing for these episodes have mentioned that work was underway, but that it would take a while, if it was even really possible at all.
Coronaviruses are notoriously hard to create vaccines for, and generally, doctors tend to take the approach of just managing symptoms, which are often the most dangerous part of the virus.
For instance, in the case of SARS, it was often how it led to pneumonia.
That was the biggest concern for medical professionals.
jordan holmes
Well, pneumonia is pretty much a catch-all for...
Something done fucked up and now there's water in your lungs.
dan friesen
So Alex is making up all that stuff about them having patents on the coronaviruses, which is allowing the scientists to do their work.
There's an article in the New England Journal of Medicine from January 24th which discusses a CDC investigation and research team going to Wuhan and collecting samples, from which they were able to identify the viral genome sequence of this strain.
All the information is perfectly available, but Alex would rather yell about the Gates family funding animal disease research because it helps him build panic.
His business model largely relies on his audience being scared, and events like this are basically his sweeps week.
It's like a Super Bowl for him, and it's legitimately disgusting.
That article that Alex is referencing is about Johnson& Johnson, or J&J, and how their chief scientific officer said he's confident that they could make a vaccine.
Alex didn't read this article, hence calling them J&J.
He's just reading the headline.
There's nothing in that article that talks about them having patented viruses and just mixing them all up.
In fact, the article explicitly says, quote, Stoffels, who's the Johnson& Johnson chief scientific officer, said that the pharmaceutical company needed to start from scratch on this vaccine.
Which kind of runs counter to the narrative that Alex is pushing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you know, when you bake biscuits from scratch, you have all the ingredients and you just mix them up.
So that can still work.
I'll still give him that one.
dan friesen
Okay, I'm not.
Because really, all this is, is trying to heighten the mood, heighten the fear, heighten the panic, and then funnel it somewhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's very clear where that infomercial is going on this episode.
alex jones
We have had sources.
Through the big food industry and through several major food suppliers, that institutional groups, governmental groups, corporate groups are buying up all the food.
And that the food prices, raw food prices, are skyrocketing.
Well, that indeed is now happening, and you're now seeing that in the news today.
And storable food is selling out.
Everywhere, most of the mixed-dorable food suppliers are already sold out because they sold out to big institutional groups.
My Patriot that puts out InfoWars Select, that's their entire line of food, just an InfoWars sticker on it, still has food.
They're still able to guarantee delivery within seven to nine days.
Other people will tell you they can do that.
I can tell you most of them won't.
But that could change at any time.
That means if you get your order in now, you will get it within seven.
dan friesen
Oh my god, there's a crisis going on and it's causing food prices to go up really high, but hey, call my Patriot Supply.
They'll take care of you.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
All these other places, they don't even have any food to buy.
You want to buy food, but you can't get it anywhere else.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
So interestingly, the U.S. Department of Agriculture just put out their Food Price Outlook Report for 2020.
And what do you know?
It's the exact opposite of what Alex is saying.
From the report, quote, See, there's a 20-year historical average of 2% rise in food prices.
So this is well within or even below that average.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Given overall inflation factors, this could be a maintaining or even decreasing of point of purchase price for consumers within the United States.
jordan holmes
Relatively speaking, yeah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
This is true of the United States, where Alex's primary market of listeners is located.
However, it's not uniformly true in the world.
For instance, India is currently seeing food prices jump considerably, with most experts pointing to oil price instability as being a major factor in the country's retail market inflation.
Another major driver is the supply chain.
To quote an article from Quartz India, quote, I can't imagine that many of these people in India that are affected by this are in the target market of Alex's food buckets, though.
So I don't know how this relates.
jordan holmes
I think there's an opening, though.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I think that's a new market to jump into.
dan friesen
I would imagine not.
I don't think they could afford Alex's shipping to India.
jordan holmes
Give Modi a call.
See if he wants to start buying food.
dan friesen
So there's also a recent article in the BBC about how Brexit will likely lead to higher food prices in the UK, and the people there would probably just need to adjust to that.
But Alex is in favor of Brexit, so it doesn't seem like he would want to bring that up as a potential consequence of readjustment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like Brexit is going poorly when after everybody's already agreed to Brexit, now they're getting all of these like, oh yeah, your food prices are going to go up, this is going to go up, this is going to go up.
I don't know if you guys knew this or not.
Brexit was a bad idea.
dan friesen
Hey guys, uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's also been reports in Reuters about rising food prices in Wuhan during the quarantine, and I think that's a problem.
I've not seen any numbers or hard information about the exact kind of rising prices, so it's kind of difficult for me to assess.
But this is the kind of thing you see in most emergency situations, unfortunately.
People gouge prices when they have the ability to do so.
Like just last week, you saw Uber and Lyft charging people insanely elevated rates after the shooting in downtown Seattle.
There was increased demand, and so the price for the available supply rose.
In that case, it was the result of automated algorithms, according to the companies.
So it's not malicious from a human standpoint, but it's just mirroring what happens with...
You know, a lot of instances.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's exactly what they desire, the free market.
I don't.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
There are laws in place in the United States that forbid price gouging in situations when a state of emergency has been declared.
But that law doesn't apply to other countries.
And honestly, you can find a lot of people here in the United States that take the position that, like, if you are in the position to sell someone something they need to survive, you should be able to charge them whatever the fuck you want.
These people are often libertarians, which Alex pretends to be, so I don't know what philosophical position he comes from where he's opposed to price gouging.
jordan holmes
Whatever is happening on the day, he is for or against, and that is the end.
dan friesen
Right.
Anyway, my point here is that the rising food prices in Wuhan are a concern, and it's something that the Chinese government has made clear that they are aware of, and we will see what happens from there.
The larger point here is that Alex is selling these food buckets not to people in Wuhan.
He's selling them to people in the United States.
He's trying to use the optics of that city in quarantine to push his products, which is disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the underlying message is this is going to happen to you.
Even if it's not happening now here, you can already know because the globalists are using this to take it worldwide and kill 56 million people.
dan friesen
And that may not be an underlying message a little bit later in the show.
It might be an explicit message.
jordan holmes
It does seem odd that you would be selling food buckets if previously we've already confirmed that the world is already done and the human race has ended.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, Mike Adams did say this.
mike adams
It's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
So, I mean, that's why you need the food.
jordan holmes
That's why you need the food, yeah.
You want to be one of the lone survivors.
dan friesen
This all still makes sense.
Again, Mark Wahlberg.
So, Alex, he's talking about these rising food prices and his food buckets being the solution to it.
So, it's kind of funny that he ends his plug like this.
alex jones
We have the lowest prices you're going to find from MyPatriot or any other distributors at InfoWarsStore.com.
In fact, we were way lower than all of them, but they called yesterday and said, look, our prices have gone way up.
You're going to have to raise it up to at least this point.
But InfoWarsStore.com has the lowest price you're going to find on the high quality food from MyPatriotSupply.com.
And the order just goes to them every hour.
And then they ship it out right there.
And then that also funds the InfoWars, which is a 360 win.
But the big deal is that according to the U.N.'s own definition, the coronavirus is now a global pandemic.
And obviously, it's synthetic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Obviously.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
How could you not know that it was synthetic, Dan?
dan friesen
I love how Alex's plug for the food buckets was based on the idea that food prices are going up, so there's the solution to that, and it ends with him saying that the prices of his food buckets are going up.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, food prices are going up, Dan.
dan friesen
Given that the Department of Agriculture has said that food prices are not projected to go up, it seems like some of the narrative he's doing, this might just be a rationalization for him rising prices so he can make a little money, which he's been clear he's not been doing lately.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
No money's coming in.
jordan holmes
It is a good angle to take if you are looking at your sales and you're going like, ooh, the food is down.
If we got a virus, guess who can't eat food now?
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And if you're not making money at the current...
Rate of sale or whatever, one of the strategies you could employ is rising margins.
So this might be a rationalization to raise margins to make money without having to say that's what you're doing.
Seems maybe like that's the case.
I'm not sure.
Also, I'm not sure that the UN has a formal definition of pandemic that's really meaningful here.
Alex may have wanted to say the World Health Organization, but he's just riffing, so his mind just plugged in the UN there, I think.
unidentified
Why not?
dan friesen
There's a lot of controversy with the World Health Organization and their definition of pandemic.
Many at the World Health Organization say they don't really have a definition, but they have descriptions of what constitutes a pandemic.
jordan holmes
And they all own the board game.
That is true.
dan friesen
Yes.
Generally, the guideline that people go by is the six-phase model that we discussed on the last episode.
Phase 6 in a pandemic is the pandemic phase in an outbreak, which is characterized by a, quote, virus causing community-level outbreaks in at least two World Health Organization regions.
According to that definition, the coronavirus outbreak does not constitute a pandemic at this point.
There is a community-level outbreak in China, but we do not have evidence that is the case in any other region where there have been cases confirmed.
So, if Alex wants to talk about the World Health Organization's definition, it doesn't apply.
But it turns out that he's not talking about the UN definition.
He's not even talking about the World Health Organization's definition.
Here's what he's talking about.
alex jones
So, the definition of a pandemic.
From Merriam-Webster.
You can also go to the major medical sites occurring over a wide geographic area.
And affecting an exponentially high proportion of the population.
What's exponential mean?
jordan holmes
Go to Merriam-Webster.
They'll help you out.
unidentified
Well, it means that the pathogen No, don't do this.
alex jones
is exponentially Stop it.
jordan holmes
logarithmically No, this is not going to go well.
dan friesen
Double it.
alex jones
every time it's able to replicate and spread.
dan friesen
People use the word exponentially to just mean something is growing rapidly, like in the colloquial sense, but it does have an actual meaning that Alex definitely doesn't know.
It means that growth is characterized by this multiplication, not by doubling.
At the first interval, it's just the base growth rate.
At the second, it's that rate squared.
At the third, it's that rate cubed, and so on.
Typically, in the early stages of viruses spreading, they do sometimes tend to show exponential growth, until there's a countervailing force against it, like a vaccine or some sort of an intervention method.
This is not really all that controversial, but it's a little strange to recognize that Alex doesn't know what the word exponential means.
Also, the Merriam-Webster definition of pandemic has literally no bearing on what the World Health Organization or UN might declare to be a pandemic.
Alex can't use this dictionary to pull some kind of a gotcha.
On this one.
It doesn't work.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I'm pretty sure he nailed it.
dan friesen
Also, get this.
alex jones
By the definition of pandemic, I added the point about exponential because that's what they really call a raging pandemic.
jordan holmes
Merriam-Webster.
alex jones
It's just exponentially growing.
The definition was occurring over a wide geographic area and affecting a exceptionally high...
Proportion of the population.
dan friesen
Alex just added the word exponentially because he wanted to.
He's like, by the textbook definition, I'm going to throw words in there.
I'm going to change the definition.
jordan holmes
The mind boggles at how bad you can really be at something.
You can be so bad at it and still get millions of dollars.
That's infuriating.
dan friesen
And what's fascinating about how bad he is at it is he's bad at hiding the badness.
Like, it's somehow just like, yeah, it's fine if I just admit I'm just throwing random words that change definitions into definitions.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Doesn't even matter.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's bad and sloppy.
So, you know, he's creating fear about this outbreak, certainly.
But one of the other things that he's doing is he's now at the stage in his coverage where it's important to pivot this fear into what's going to come.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he knows that eventually he won't be able to make money on this forever.
No.
And so he does that here.
alex jones
In China, you've got a lot of run-down people and a lot of pollution.
And whenever these viruses break out there, they have a higher kill rate in China than they do in other parts of the world.
Still, it's a terrible thing.
But it's the response to it and the vaccine they've got in the wings.
I've got articles here where they're saying, oh, Google and Facebook are blocking liars, claiming that this was made in a lab and that they've got a vaccine for it and it's part of a larger plan.
Who wouldn't speculate like that with the long histories of secret testing on the public by this government and others?
And the tainted vaccines and the things they've been caught adding.
Sock admitting they put cancer viruses in it and said, oh, there's too many people anyways.
I can play PBS interviews if you want to see them.
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Film!
dan friesen
That was not Salk.
Again, that was Hilleman in an interview.
Dr. Hilleman talking about a conversation with Saban.
jordan holmes
He can play the PBS clips, and in it, it does say, Salk does say, there's too many people anywhere.
dan friesen
Salk doesn't say shit.
jordan holmes
He says there's too many people anyway.
dan friesen
In the clip that he plays and has played and is his example, it's not.
Salk.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Salk is not involved.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
It's Albert Sabin.
Get your information right, Alex.
And, like, dude, yes, of course.
I think that these places like Facebook, these platforms have a certain amount of responsibility.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That they have shirked for so long.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
To tamp down on some of the stuff that could be dangerous, that could lead to people being hurt.
I think that it's totally fine.
When Alex says, why wouldn't you speculate about this stuff?
It's one thing to be speculative.
It's another to be a liar who's trying to sell food buckets and weird pills.
It's not the same thing.
jordan holmes
No, Facebook isn't quashing posts on Facebook where it's like, I'm suspicious of the government.
They are quashing malicious actors like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Misinformation is different than, like, hey, we should be cautious about this.
Informed opinions are different than, aha, the Chinese are doing this as a bioweapon release in order to...
It's different.
jordan holmes
Informed opinions are usually better than, we're all gonna die!
We're all gonna die!
We're all gonna die!
Buy my food.
unidentified
We're all gonna die!
dan friesen
I think this next clip is actually really clearly demonstrative of why Alex is not just being suspicious and speculating.
alex jones
Yes, this virus is deadly.
It's not like SARS and things that were just to hype up and scare people.
jordan holmes
Why not?
alex jones
It killed a few hundred.
This has already killed thousands and thousands.
What?
The chai comms can't contain it.
The censorship isn't working.
And it does have a high kill rate.
Hell, if it's 5%, it's devastating.
Lancet says it can be high as 18%.
dan friesen
According to a BBC report from January 28th, the day of this episode, the confirmed death toll is currently at 106.
Conversely, SARS killed 778 people.
But another important aspect of that is that there were deaths in 17 different countries from SARS, as opposed to the current situation, which has been entirely in China.
A death is a death.
That is true.
But from the perspective of, like, gauging the spread of a virus, it matters a lot where the deaths are happening.
If they're in a bunch of different countries.
It demonstrates a different situation.
Alex is completely outside the accepted reality with his claim that thousands and thousands have died from this outbreak.
I suspect that he's getting this information from noted Muslim hater Pamela Geller's website, where she posted a breaking story about there being 10,000 dead.
According to factcheck.com, this story was sourced from a blog post on a website that's largely about gold.
Quote, which has a disclaimer that says it can't vouch for the accuracy or completeness of its information.
jordan holmes
Now, that is a big disclaimer.
unidentified
Quite.
jordan holmes
I would say the, I think we might be lying, is a huge disclaimer.
dan friesen
Might be bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This website, JSMindset.com, had published an email an anonymous person sent them who was relating a phone call he'd had with a friend who had spoken to a Chinese friend who had information from family in Wuhan.
If you're keeping track, at best, this is fourth-hand information at the point of this blog posting it.
The alleged family in Wuhan is first, the Chinese friend is second, the friend on the phone is third, and the anonymous emailer is fourth-hand.
Then, Pamela Geller using this site as a source makes it fifth-hand information on her site.
No one who operates a legitimate news or information outlet would ever accept this kind of work.
It's just gossip, basically.
jordan holmes
She will be testifying in the impeachment hearings, though.
The Republicans have chosen only her to testify.
dan friesen
Would not be surprised.
Alex is misusing the information also in that Lancet article that he's talking about.
In the actual article, researchers examined 59 cases of people who had been admitted to a Chinese hospital with pneumonia symptoms, which they then whittled down to 41 cases who also tested positive for the novel coronavirus.
All of them had pneumonia which indicates that these are all the most severe sort of cases among the larger population of people who come down with the virus.
Just on this count, this is not a fair study to extrapolate to the entire population, or even the entire population of people who come down with the coronavirus.
jordan holmes
No, no virologist would be like, 41?
That's enough of a test.
dan friesen
No, that's a limitation.
And none would take that information that is provided in this paper and then say that it is uniformly true all the time.
For all sorts of cases.
The report does say that there's a 15% incidence of patients in that 41 sample size who died, which is six of them.
However, 28 individuals, or 68%, recovered and were discharged from the hospital, but Alex doesn't want to point that out.
Also, it's hard to say if there's any direct parallels here, but of the sample set that they had, 15% of the patients also had pre-existing hypertension, and 15% had a history of cardiovascular disease.
Based on the information available in the report, I can't say if those are all the same 15% of the people, but it's just to illustrate that there are commingling variables that Alex isn't considering and make this a different picture.
jordan holmes
Right.
I don't think anybody thinks that most...
Maybe I'm way off base since we're dealing with Alex and people believe anything, but...
In most viral cases, nobody is saying that the most healthy members of society are going to instantly die if they get this coronavirus.
It's generally the elderly, the infirm, and the children.
dan friesen
Generally, that's most...
Regular people are saying that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Alex, it's unclear.
I was like, nobody believes that.
And then I was like, no, never mind.
dan friesen
Alex is saying straight up 15% of the people, or 18% of the people who get this are going to die.
jordan holmes
Any number, anyone, anyone.
18% of everyone.
dan friesen
Also, the report even says, quote, with the limited number of cases, it's difficult to assess host risk factors for disease severity and mortality with multivariable adjusted methods.
This is a modest-sized case series of patients admitted to hospital.
Collection of standardized data for the larger cohorts would help to further define the clinical presentation, natural history, and risk factors.
To put that more succinctly, what they're saying is this is a small group that we looked at, and we'd need more information to know if any of this could be explained by other variables about the specific people that we looked at.
Or whatever impact that might have had on the results.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, this is where we get into trouble again with scientists.
Like, yes, I understand what you were saying.
And I indeed understand your interpretation of what he was saying.
But ultimately, let's boil it down still further.
We don't know yet.
We've still got more work to do.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
Interestingly, even this study doesn't say there's a death rate of 18%.
It says 15%.
This again is another example of Alex being unable to stop himself from exaggerating, from lying to make his narratives more severe.
He strips literally all context from this Lancet report and exaggerates its conclusion, while simultaneously blindly reporting as gospel some dumb fifth-hand bullshit Pamela Geller posts on her blog.
This is just embarrassing and dangerous work here, and he should be ashamed of himself.
jordan holmes
This is awful.
dan friesen
Awful stuff.
jordan holmes
I don't even like the use of a percentage whenever you're dealing with such a small sample size.
I would prefer a fraction, because 15% people go like, oh, well, 15 out of 100, not 6 out of 40. So it's one of those things where it's like, it's not workable information.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
6 for 40. Hey, studies.
jordan holmes
Hey, when we get to 100, you can use percentages.
Until then, it's fractions all the way.
dan friesen
All right.
Fair enough.
When you're in charge, that's rule number one.
So Alex has some pretty severe news about the United States and this virus.
And I don't think what he's saying is true.
alex jones
I haven't made this announcement yet because I don't know how to make it.
But if you go to Infowars.com and you see the live feed headline, it's official.
This is now a global pandemic.
Coronavirus is now a global pandemic.
But what does it say right after that?
U.S. Officials believe that the virus has already broken out of containment on the West Coast in major cities.
jordan holmes
When was it in containment on the West Coast?
alex jones
They believe it.
Now, I'm saying believe it.
That's not really what they said.
They said something else.
I'm just saying.
I'm saying they believe.
They believe.
It's containment with Chinese students that came in after the Chinese New Year.
And they're preparing for massive emergencies and are trying to figure out how to announce this to the public.
And I don't want panic.
dan friesen
Oh, shit!
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
I can find literally no evidence for anything Alex is saying here other than his own words.
As of this recording, there are five cases confirmed of the virus in the United States and all of them had been people who had been to Wuhan.
There's no evidence that there had been any person-to-person transmission in the United States.
I have a particular disrespect for Alex saying that he doesn't want to panic.
Literally everything he's been doing is tailor-made to cause a certain amount of panic and a certain type of panic in people.
When he says that he doesn't want to panic, he means he doesn't want people to lose their shit and start looting.
He doesn't want that kind of panic.
He wants a controlled panic he can profit off of.
He wants to stoke just enough fear in his audience that he can get them to buy all his food and shit, but not enough that they start killing people.
He is a calculated monster.
That's the line he's trying to walk here.
That's why he throws in things like, I don't want to cause a panic.
He has to try and reel it back in a tiny bit.
But at the same time, make it super sensational.
jordan holmes
So annoying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because we know if we have 10 days of panic, then people are going to start eating each other.
dan friesen
True, true.
jordan holmes
He can't allow that to happen.
dan friesen
No, you don't want cannibalism.
jordan holmes
Also, I want to put that on his gravestone.
That's not what they said.
They actually said something else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
All right.
jordan holmes
You can't even do that.
That's unfair.
Yeah.
That's punching me in the face and telling me you didn't.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's bullshit.
dan friesen
That's just the example of him being bad at this bad thing.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I didn't say that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is just gross.
alex jones
How about a vaccine?
I personally have been taking vaccines.
Vitamin D3 and Vitamin K. Fuck you!
It's great.
You should always be taking it anyways in the winter.
dan friesen
Great.
Great.
Great stuff.
I mean, you can just see.
It's clear.
jordan holmes
That's awful.
dan friesen
If you listen to his show with any sort of a critical eye or ear...
All you see is like, oh, all of this is like really getting ramped up and then you funnel it somewhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Really funnel it, like getting, oh, there's all these hundreds of thousands of people and, hey, you know, it's all, everyone's lying about this and what you need to do.
Hey, there's no silver bullet, but you should buy a ship from my store.
Oh, hey, food prices are skyrocketing everywhere.
It's going to be a disaster.
No one can find food.
Get my buckets.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Oh, it's a clear formula.
jordan holmes
Even used car salesmen looked at it.
No used car salesman is going to go out there and be like, hey man, looters are going to light your car on fire.
You better get a backup right now.
Get a backup right now.
Your car will be lit on fire tomorrow.
And if not tomorrow, next week.
dan friesen
So, it's the season of health, and that means that the Health Ranger is on every day now.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
dan friesen
So, Mike Adams stops in for a little visit.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't he not be allowed back on?
He's already declared the end of humanity.
You don't get better than that.
dan friesen
It is a situation where he sort of blew the sort of finale a little bit early.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you wait until the end of the week.
dan friesen
It should be a situation now where, like...
Alex should be like, alright, we got Mike Adams on the show.
He's reporting live from a bunker deep underground where he's stocked up.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, absolutely.
We got Mike Adams here who put his fucking money where his mouth is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He is at an undisclosed location.
He won't even tell me where he's at because he doesn't trust me.
He thinks I might get the coronavirus and try and kiss him.
jordan holmes
As we all know, it only takes me five days to go cannibal, so let's see what happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I mean, it's all very stupid, but he has a...
There are just fewer...
alex jones
Am I right to say the global pandemic is here?
I mean, it's exponential, it's large numbers, and it's all over the world.
Isn't that the definition?
jordan holmes
No.
mike adams
It is.
It's a global pandemic.
And by the way, the media in America is now complicit in the cover-up that may cost millions of people their lives.
The media will get people killed.
And the same media that pushes transgenderism, what are they going to do next?
Push trans-viralism, like the cure you self-identify as a person who doesn't have the virus.
Hey, we don't need hospitals in California.
Just be a trans-viralist person.
dan friesen
That's how you know they are not taking any of this shit seriously.
jordan holmes
That is the most Teddy Beers joke.
That's a Matt Elfring character.
His name is Teddy Beers.
dan friesen
No one listening has any idea.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
It's just so funny.
dan friesen
One person listening knows what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
He doesn't listen.
dan friesen
No, I was talking about Druffy.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, that's just, like, just shit.
I mean, you're just taking opportunities to get your weird social punches in.
That means the...
jordan holmes
Transgender?
What's next?
Transvirus?
Ah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody?
Nobody?
Nobody's laughing?
dan friesen
Good stuff, Mike.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Good stuff.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm gonna need another beer.
dan friesen
Here's where Alex gets down to, like, I think this is what he thinks the conspiracy is.
This is dumb.
alex jones
You've been harping and so have I for more than three weeks that this could be a bioweapon release to bring down the global economy as a way to counter nationalism.
And the globalists have said bad economies will hurt nationalists.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
So everything is about them.
They're incapable of understanding a larger world that isn't about themselves.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Something like this virus outbreak is not just a natural phenomenon that people need to come together and try and...
Mitigate the damages, help each other as best as possible.
No, it's an attack on Trump and nationalism.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure.
dan friesen
This virus was released by the globalists in order to spread fear, panic, whatever, crash the stock market, which, you know, the dominoes, you keep seeing which one falls.
Boom!
At the end, Trump and nationalism are under attack.
jordan holmes
That's it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's it?
dan friesen
It's so...
I don't even know.
Cynical doesn't even seem like the right word.
It's such a disgusting...
I mean, it's just narcissism.
jordan holmes
He is speaking for the shared experience of humanity.
Most of us live in Austin in a mansion and make millions of dollars scamming people with pills and shit.
That's a normal thing.
That's a human behavior that we all share.
Right?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, well then he's a narcissist.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to trying to sell food buckets.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I really, I can't stress this enough.
It comes up over and over and over and over again.
It is just like a very consistent...
jordan holmes
The marketing department gave him a call.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yeah.
unidentified
Basically.
dan friesen
Or they just know well enough to know like, this is good.
jordan holmes
We got to push up food sales and we got our chance.
dan friesen
This is our opportunity.
alex jones
I have sources in industry that have talked to all the big storable foods company heads and institutional buyers started last week buying up all the food they had.
Then it exploded and by Friday basically everybody was sold out except a few suppliers that are amongst the biggest like MyPatriotSupply that we private label from.
Literally.
Other places are telling you they're going to have storable food but they're already sold out.
My Patriot is boxing and making it as fast as they can, as it's fresh.
When you get it through InfoWarsStore.com, that helps fund us, but it's the exact same assembly line.
Just our stickers are thrown on it.
InfoWars Select.
And that was done before, so we can offer you an even lower price.
But I'm not engaging a plug here.
As much as I am explaining that talking to the folks there, they said, yeah, it's big institutional buyers.
Not just us, but other folks.
I can't say who the customers are, but it's governmental and things like that.
It's corporations.
And I said, let me guess, the West Coast.
And they said, yeah, of course, West Coast.
And they said, Seattle.
Well, obviously, that's the first place.
That's one of the biggest Chinese cities here in the United States.
jordan holmes
Seattle?
alex jones
That's where all the students are at.
This is extremely disgusting what's going on.
dan friesen
This is so ridiculous.
Alex is trying to spin a conspiracy that the coronavirus is going to explode on the West Coast and Seattle due to the high Chinese population in Seattle, where apparently institutional buyers of food are storing up tons of stuff, so you need to act now and buy survival food buckets.
jordan holmes
Yep, that sounds right.
dan friesen
There are a few problems with this theory.
First, Seattle has the ninth highest Chinese American population of major U.S. cities, with approximately 30,000 Chinese citizens.
jordan holmes
Those are the ones you know!
dan friesen
Compare that to the 562,000 Chinese Americans in New York, and you should get an idea of scale between first and ninth.
jordan holmes
Nobody's going to send a biovirus out to New York.
You start with Seattle, Dale.
That's close to Portland.
It'll get out.
It's all over for the libs.
dan friesen
Alex did say the West Coast, so I'm going to take New York out of the equation.
Let's consider that there are 180,000 Chinese Americans in San Francisco, 77,000 in Los Angeles, 75,000 in San Jose, 43,000 in San Diego, 43,000 in Oakland, 34,000 in Irvine, California, all higher than Seattle.
His shit about college students is nonsense, too.
The biggest school in Seattle is the University of Washington, Seattle, and they have a smaller Asian student body than UT Austin.
Also, the case of the person who had coronavirus in Washington State, he wasn't a college student, and he wasn't in Seattle.
It was a man in his 30s who lived in Everett, Washington, who had been to Wuhan.
Honestly, all this...
jordan holmes
What was he doing going to Wuhan?
dan friesen
Might have been a business person.
jordan holmes
No, I want to know what's going on with this guy.
Let's follow him up, put his picture online, dox him.
dan friesen
Bad idea.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That sort of speculation makes more sense than what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
I know, and it's still way wrong.
dan friesen
Demanding to know what this guy was doing in China is a more sensible conspiracy than this.
This all just comes down to trying to make Chinese Americans seem scary to Alex's audience and sell his food buckets.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's never gone wrong.
We've never treated an entire Asian population negatively in this country, right?
dan friesen
Certainly not.
This is all just shit.
This is an infomercial for the food.
And also, of course, looming in the background, the pills.
jordan holmes
If you're getting the food, you might as well get the pills.
dan friesen
Might as well.
jordan holmes
Mix it up.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
Like a vaccine.
dan friesen
So there's more conspiracies afoot.
alex jones
Mike Adams, you're a smart guy.
Even Mainline News is saying that it looks like the virus may have been stolen by Chaicom's Canadian lab.
Some of the same people were involved, it turns out, in weird stuff with Ebola.
dan friesen
Weird stuff.
alex jones
This sounds like a movie script for a horror movie.
What do you really think is going on here?
mike adams
Well, isn't it interesting that...
What we were saying three or four or five days ago that was immediately called fake news by the mainstream media, now they are reporting and confirming.
So we weren't fake news.
We were ahead of their news.
dan friesen
Just to remind you, here's what Mike Adams was saying a couple days ago.
mike adams
It's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
He's really not bringing it on this episode.
He's got some bad jokes.
It's not going well.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that story Alex is talking about being mainstream news, it's not.
It's bullshit.
This all started with a guy on Twitter named Kyle Bass posting a CBC news story from last July, adding the caption, quote, A husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a level 4 infectious disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility.
This tweet was retweeted thousands of times and the story began to take traction in conspiracy communities.
The only problem is the article that he linked to didn't say any of that stuff.
jordan holmes
That's not what they said.
They said something different.
unidentified
Well, it's the Alex strategy.
dan friesen
The two people who were taken out of the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg were suspected of making an administrative violation.
And every organization that's involved in this matter, as well as the CBC reporting, have stressed that nothing surrounding this case involves any kind of public danger or anything close.
jordan holmes
God, that must suck.
dan friesen
Zero Hedge started taking this as a launching point to start speculating that China stole the virus as a bioweapon and just caught fire in the dumb, dumb worlds of people who don't read.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'll happen.
dan friesen
These people are out for sensationalism and traffic, and the prospect of Chinese spies sending the very same virus that ends up causing an outbreak is a really good way to get eyeballs on your shit, but it's not supported by actual facts or reporting.
To the point where someone like CBC is reporting that you're reporting a couple of Chinese scientists to remove from a lab in July.
That's fair game.
This did happen.
It's supported by available evidence.
In order to come up with the rest of the stuff that people like Alex are saying about this story, you have to make up a whole lot of details.
And simultaneously, you have to insist that everyone who's commented on this story is lying.
This is just shitty stuff.
jordan holmes
That's frustrating.
dan friesen
There is no conspiracy he won't latch onto.
It's just terrible.
Just such bad work.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
They will leap upon anything.
Any desperate thing.
Just one tweet.
The right wing machine will find it and they'll turn it into something insane.
dan friesen
Yep.
If it works.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Three million illegals voted.
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Right.
So you might ask at this point, you know, like, hey, why isn't Trump doing anything?
jordan holmes
I don't know why you would ask that.
dan friesen
If it's broken containment in Seattle, why isn't he stopping flights from China?
Why isn't he doing anything?
jordan holmes
Because they didn't vote for him.
dan friesen
Well, no.
Turns out Mike knows what's up.
alex jones
Why isn't Trump saying, sorry, no Chinese coming into the United States while we see how bad this is for, say, a week or so?
mike adams
Exactly.
It's a huge question.
And my criticism of the president on this issue comes from two different vectors here.
Number one, the president, he's a very successful business person, a very intelligent person, but he does not have experience in epidemiology or virology or laboratory analytics or, you know, healthcare issues.
jordan holmes
Did he just explain two lies of the truth?
mike adams
So he's relying on experts who are no doubt lying to him.
alex jones
And they can be sure everything's okay, so when this goes south, he gets the blame.
mike adams
That's exactly right.
And since he doesn't have the background in this area, he doesn't know how to ask the right questions or demand the right evidence.
dan friesen
They're making this up.
jordan holmes
It sounds like Trump is going to need to appoint a new health ranger.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, God.
Yeah, I mean, that's all just made up.
There's nothing behind that.
Well, yeah, Trump isn't doing anything because his advisors are lying to him.
jordan holmes
They are lying to him, yes.
Obviously, you know that.
dan friesen
Only I, the health ranger, who have deemed humanity over, know what's up.
jordan holmes
It does seem like he's planning for a future that doesn't seem to be also part of his plan for the future.
dan friesen
So that's the one vector that Mike has to criticize Trump on.
jordan holmes
That was only one vector?
dan friesen
That was one of the vectors.
His expert friends.
I guess advisors are lying to him.
And here's the second vector, which is so much worse.
mike adams
And secondly, I think that Trump is very much concerned that any loss of faith in the stock market could impact his re-election chances.
So, you know, a bubble market depends on irrational exuberance.
And you know what shatters irrational exuberance?
Is fear.
Fear of the unknown.
That's what causes people to sell stocks.
dan friesen
None of the stuff that Alex and Mike are saying is connected to reality at all, but I think this clip is really interesting.
You have Mike basically saying that Trump isn't taking the coronavirus outbreak seriously because he doesn't want to hurt the stock market and thus hurt his chances for re-election.
jordan holmes
Mike Adams.
Trump will let millions die to get re-elected.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Even in their fantasy world, where they're bending over backwards to defend an indefensible president, they still have to fall back on excuses like, Trump would act to protect the health of American citizens, but his personal interest in re-election is more important to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's going to stand up.
For honest, everyday Americans by letting a large number of them die in order to facilitate his re-election.
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
It's clips like this that just make me think that these people have no idea what they're even saying.
They're openly expressing support for a leader who would risk the lives of the entire country if it means holding on to power.
And yet somehow they point the finger at the left as being obsessed with holding on to power at all costs.
Their fantasy world doesn't even make sense.
jordan holmes
It's absurd.
Mike Adams.
And then the obvious explanation of how to exploit the bubble economy is very frustrating to me.
That should be illegal to admit that.
It depends on irrational exuberance, Dan, which means no rational person would think it's a good idea.
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
So, Mike...
He's just making so much shit up.
This is all made up.
I want to stress that before we even listen to this clip.
There is nothing to back this up.
It is Mike's ideas.
Fantasies.
mike adams
Well, as I mentioned yesterday on your show, Alex, I believe that they were working on this strain and they were not yet ready to release it.
They probably needed a few more tweaks to make it even more deadly, but it got out before they were ready to release it.
I don't believe they would have released it in China on purpose.
I think they would have released it Exactly, but China's not going to want to get the blame of this.
dan friesen
They're just making this up.
None of that means anything.
That's just like, hey, this is what I feel.
Isn't it more interesting if we talk about it like this?
It was a bioweapon that they planned to release somewhere else, but it got out of the lab too early by accident.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It does seem like they're more spitballing script ideas.
Yeah, no shit.
It does seem a little bit more like they're tossing ideas back.
Blue Sky thinking, how is everybody going to die on this one?
dan friesen
Prove a damn thing, you dicks.
jordan holmes
He's Mike.
He put Ebola in his own bloodstream.
unidentified
No, he didn't.
dan friesen
He just said to other people's shit.
I know.
jordan holmes
Which is worse.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, man, if you need any indication that he's an opportunist, he's a crass piece of shit just trying to sell stuff, this is maybe as good as you're going to get.
alex jones
Because of what's happening, and I said I couldn't do 50% off anymore because it doesn't give us the margins to fund ourselves, I'm not going to then...
When we have an emergency like this, raise prices on the products.
In fact, I'm going to lower them, even though these things will all sell out.
When I tell you, Winter Sun's about to sell out in the next couple days, it's selling out right now, okay?
At current sales rates.
Immune, we can't get more for eight weeks, by the way.
Immune defense products, super silver toothpaste, 50% off.
Super silver wound gel, 50% off.
dan friesen
Got to have big sales now, because you got to strike while the iron's hot.
There's a situation that I can exploit to cause panic.
That leads people towards maybe wanting to buy the things that I have given better, which is move all this product.
jordan holmes
I'm going to use these as loss leaders and hopefully the profit margins on the food buckets that I am pushing real hard today.
dan friesen
Maybe it'll all work out.
jordan holmes
Maybe it'll all work out for me.
dan friesen
It's so obvious.
jordan holmes
This is a bad grift.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's really pretty disgusting.
Now we're done with Mike.
But Alex has another guest.
This guy...
Is a Holocaust denier.
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't even think you need to add that anymore.
Now that we're in InfoWars Season 7, I think we can just leave...
Holocaust denier is assumed.
dan friesen
It's at least lurking in the background of too many of his guests.
He's a guy who has a made-up resume, and his name is Dr. Steve Pachanek.
Here we go.
Alex has him on for a reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not the virus.
jordan holmes
To also declare the end of humanity?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
He's on to talk about John Bolton.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
What's interesting about that is Alex, it's clear he doesn't vet any of his guests or even the people who he knows really well because, spoiler alert, Steve ends up completely contradicting Alex's virus narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So that's not a great booking.
But like I said, he's on to talk about Bolton, and here is Alex saying that.
alex jones
I wanted to get Dr. Steve Pachinik on because he knows Ambassador Bolton will...
dan friesen
I have no idea if Steve actually knows John Bolton, although I can say that the last time Steve was definitely in the State Department was prior to Bolton entering public service.
At that time, John Bolton was a lawyer at the firm of Covington& Burling.
Also, Steve did warn Alex about John Bolton and said Trump can't allow him to be in the White House, and Alex didn't listen to him.
Because Roger told him that Bolton was cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can trust Roger.
I'm not going to give Steve a point for this one.
dan friesen
No, he has a knee-jerk hatred of all things neocon, so whatever.
Anyway, Steve immediately, pretty quickly, gets to saying, hey man, what they're doing with this virus outbreak is totally cool.
steve pieczenik
President Xi appreciated what Trump had said about transparency in China, about the fact that Xi had done an appropriate seclusion of different areas, and he tied off Hunan and Hubei because of the flu epidemic.
dan friesen
Steve's whole point on the matter is they're handling this appropriately.
You shouldn't panic.
jordan holmes
They appreciate what Trump is doing.
dan friesen
No need to worry.
Trump appreciates them.
It's a mutual appreciation.
jordan holmes
Humanity is going to last thousands more years.
We're going to get to the stars and populate the entire galaxy.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So a lot of Steve's appearance is just yelling dumb nonsense about how the state is pointless.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And what have you.
So we're not going to listen to a ton of that.
But there are some points that are kind of interesting, like this one.
steve pieczenik
What's really happening at this particular point is the absurdity of our representatives and how little they really do in a time of need.
Right now, we have a world epidemic.
Is it going to affect America?
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Has there been a Surgeon General appointed?
I haven't seen any.
Has Public Health Service officers been appointed?
I haven't seen any.
jordan holmes
Those aren't the House of Representatives job, dude.
dan friesen
Steve does make a great point, though.
He hasn't seen there be a Surgeon General.
jordan holmes
No, he hasn't.
I wonder why, Dan.
dan friesen
I wonder why, too.
jordan holmes
It seems like somebody has the ability to appoint a Surgeon General.
dan friesen
I wonder.
I mean, Steve hasn't seen one appointed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think the House of Representatives is really failing us on this one.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So, Steve has this weird thing where he thinks that the newspapers talk to him and he thinks that he's speaking back to powerful people when he comes on Alex's show or he makes his YouTube videos.
And I would generally err on the side of thinking it's just sort of a flourish of language or something, but it's so consistent.
In this next clip, he really seems to think...
He's sending a message to Nancy Pelosi through Alex's show.
steve pieczenik
Nancy Pelosi is basically what we call an idiot savant.
We had to teach her on this show that we are a republic, not a democracy.
So she went back and read all about the republic.
dan friesen
He really seems to be expressing that through Alex's show, they have taught Nancy Pelosi about the nature of a republic, and she's gone and done some research on it.
This is seriously disturbed behavior.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't sound like any kind of rhetorical flourish there.
That seems like he is remembering fondly a time when he taught Nancy Pelosi the rules of the republic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think that happened either.
So Alex is having a good time talking to Steve, but, you know, all good things must be interrupted when you need to make sales pitches, which he does.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, I am not an opportunist.
I'm a trendsetter.
My goal is to promote the lifestyle and freedom and things that I think are great up against the tyranny that the globalists promote because I believe you're going to want to buy in to having a free, open, truly constitutional, renaissance-based system or the American system versus the CHICOM system or the EU return of modern nobility models or...
unidentified
Like the one Steve Pchenek wants?
alex jones
That's what InfoWars promotes.
Notice, for the last few months, I'm saying, hey, our great vitamin D3 is known in all these big studies to really be antiviral and very strong, and the equivalent of getting sunlight in the winter.
It's getting sun that helps boost your immunity, and it's people that have the deficiencies that are open to this stuff.
And again, knock on wood, I haven't had a fever in over four years, and it's because I take fish oil every day.
unidentified
That's illegal.
alex jones
It has some of the best sources of natural vitamin D3.
So, yes.
We still have our vitamin D3 with vitamin K, 33% off, even though it's very close to selling out.
I'm going to keep it there until it sells out.
dan friesen
So within a minute, he starts by saying, I'm not an opportunist, and then he's using this outbreak as an opportunity to sell his shit.
jordan holmes
It is the most infuriating verbal tick he has of starting every sentence with saying, I'm not, and then does exactly what he described.
Hey, I'm not bragging here.
Brag.
I'm not an opportunist.
Take opportunity.
dan friesen
He's the ultimate opportunist.
jordan holmes
It's so annoying.
dan friesen
That's a reference to Edge.
jordan holmes
Oh, get out of here.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Bring me the cowboy that sings.
dan friesen
Alex talks a little bit.
He's not a cowboy.
He was a drifter, but he's not a cowboy.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Alex continues this plug.
And honestly, I think I only kept this in because he says something that I think is funny.
alex jones
I could be in a bad mood, exhausted, already been working 18 hours.
I gotta do some overnight radio show.
Used to, I'd drink a half bottle of wine and drink four cups of coffee.
That doesn't work for me.
Big old, juicy fish oil.
jordan holmes
Gross.
alex jones
So good.
And it makes you sleep better.
The stuff it does for your body is really amazing.
dan friesen
First of all, it's juicy fish oil, which is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
That's disgusting.
That's disgusting.
dan friesen
Hey, man, it gives you energy and makes you sleep.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Cool.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Cool, cool.
This, mic down for this clip, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because this, Steve comes back in, and he has something to say about this coronavirus.
Oh, boy.
And this clip is art.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is a master stroke of Steve Pachanek using language.
This could be an Agatha Christie novel.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
steve pieczenik
We have a coronavirus coming in.
For the most part, we will be safe.
I can guarantee that.
The reason I can guarantee is because I treated a patient a month ago.
It was really the first case of the coronavirus before it was ever reported of a gentleman who met with a Chinese individual and got the pneumonia.
And was treated with high doses of antibiotics.
And I am to know this individual very well.
Because that individual happens to be me.
The first case to have it in the United States.
And now I'm saying to the Public Health Service and the Attorney General.
Get your act together.
unidentified
Steve Pachetik is patient zero of the coronavirus.
jordan holmes
Steve has fucking lost his mind.
This is now the point where we just say, oh, you're fucking crazy.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
We're well past that.
jordan holmes
I know we're past that, but when you're claiming that you treated yourself for the first case of this coronavirus.
dan friesen
He does everything that's important.
Every single relevant world event, Steve is at the center of it.
unidentified
That's crazy.
dan friesen
He is not only the first person that got coronavirus.
He also cured himself.
jordan holmes
I just can't hang with that.
dan friesen
I can't.
jordan holmes
That one's bananas.
dan friesen
No, it's amazing.
jordan holmes
That needs a commitment.
He needs to be committed.
dan friesen
It's amazing that he says stuff like this and Alex is just like, yeah, man, you're amazing.
So anyway, Steve took issue earlier with the fact that there's no Surgeon General, and what do you know?
Alex starts repeating that claim.
alex jones
Trump shouldn't create a panic, but I agree.
He should have a Surgeon General by now, and they should say, we're looking at this, and so if something is really bad, then they don't look like they were caught flat-footed.
dan friesen
Man, I mean, it is a really interesting point that now, like, Steve has brought up that there's no Surgeon General, and Alex...
Because Steve has said it, he's repeating it as like, that's a real criticism.
The Surgeon General is named Jerome Adams.
Of the United States?
Yes.
It was confirmed by the Senate on August 3rd, 2017.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you want to make the point that he's not doing a good job, go ahead.
Do it.
But to pretend somehow that the bureaucracy is making sure there is no Surgeon General is stupid.
Both of these dudes don't even know that there is a Surgeon General.
jordan holmes
You don't even know that he's a real person.
Have you seen him in person?
dan friesen
I've seen pictures.
jordan holmes
Oh!
Oh, pictures now.
Mr. Big Picture Guy.
Let me tell you something.
Those can be faked.
dan friesen
Dude.
jordan holmes
Steve Prochanek was in those pictures and they took him out.
dan friesen
Steve?
Steve is coming in and making an argument.
I haven't seen that there's a Surgeon General.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And now Alex is like doubling down on it.
Neither of these dudes even know anything.
They don't know anything about what they're talking about.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
There is a fucking Surgeon General, you dumbasses.
And Steve was the first patient who had coronavirus.
jordan holmes
I don't know how you can listen to a man say confidently and just so proudly.
Proudly!
I was the first man with this global pandemic months before it became an outbreak in Wuhan, China.
dan friesen
It's even better than that because I can't stress enough how great the storytelling of that clip was.
I treated the first patient and I know this man very well because it is me.
jordan holmes
It's just perfect.
There is a certain level of pageantry to it that I appreciate it.
That person is me!
dan friesen
If Steve had just said I was the first person who got coronavirus...
unidentified
Boring!
jordan holmes
You wouldn't believe that shit at all.
Fuck off.
dan friesen
This is a master at work.
jordan holmes
This is the way you do it.
Oh, you treated him personally?
Tell me more about this story.
It was me!
Oh shit, it was you!
This is a twist that I could not have seen coming.
M. Night, you've done it again!
dan friesen
Gorgeous stuff.
So anyway, Alex has been reading Merriam-Webster's dictionary and adding words to definitions in order to prove that this is a pandemic.
And then he has Steve Pachanek, who is an expert, according to Alex, on all things.
And uh-oh.
steve pieczenik
Let me assure your audience and the American audience, we're not pandemic.
We have control of this.
This will be controlled.
I don't want everybody panicking.
dan friesen
Oops.
jordan holmes
Shut him up.
Shut him up right now.
Shut him up!
dan friesen
We can let him say that he was the first patient.
jordan holmes
I don't want anybody panicking.
dan friesen
That's fine.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Lying about having this and curing yourself, that's one thing.
Contradicting it's a pandemic, that's bad for business.
jordan holmes
That's brutal.
dan friesen
But I think Steve recognizes that maybe he's contradicting some of the narratives that Alex is using to try and drive sales, and so he decides, I'm going to go ahead and also help you sell pills.
steve pieczenik
I think all of that you're saying is correct.
Take the vitamin D, take the fish oil, stay healthy, and you're less likely to get a pneumonia because...
jordan holmes
You don't want to get a pneumonia.
steve pieczenik
Getting pneumonias or coronavirus is the immunity system.
So as long as your immunity system, even if you're 60s, 70s, or you're young, and you're in good shape, you take your vitamins, you work out, you stay healthy, that virus is not going to be lethal.
So that's number one.
Number two, the fact that we don't have a Surgeon General and a public health service is disturbing.
dan friesen
We do have a Surgeon General.
This whole thing is based on a faulty premise.
jordan holmes
Yep.
I guess we don't have to worry about it then.
dan friesen
I guess.
So Steve, man, he has done everything.
jordan holmes
He really seems to have.
dan friesen
Every single thing that has happened since like the mid-70s.
Steve has had his finger in.
jordan holmes
Yep.
He was also the first person to get HIV.
Cured that.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He did have a play in another outbreak recently.
jordan holmes
Of course he did.
Of course he did.
dan friesen
And this one, boy, this is a big swing.
steve pieczenik
Years ago, when we had the Ebola epidemic, I had to sit down with a former friend of mine and ask this individual who was the former assistant surgeon general of the United States.
Do we have a Surgeon General?
The answer was no.
Do we have a public health service that can stop the Ebola from coming in?
No.
I said, will you have a problem if I ordered General Dempsey and others to send over 3,000 U.S. Army soldiers into Liberia and Sierra Leone?
The answer was no.
That's what we did.
And I thank our military.
I thank General Dempsey, who was chief of staff at the time, and our army and our military officers who created a situation where there was no Ebola really coming into the United States, and they redeployed assets out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
dan friesen
Steve...
jordan holmes
And do you know who all that old friend was, Dan?
It was me!
dan friesen
Steve told the chief of staff to deploy...
Steve has given orders.
jordan holmes
So I ordered the general.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This dude is fucking wild now.
He's gone off the rails.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
jordan holmes
This is crazy shit.
dan friesen
No, but he's very high-functioning within this web of bullshit that he's spinning.
So it makes it much more...
Difficult for Alex to pinpoint where this is a clear break from reality or just a malicious lie.
It's one of the two, and Alex just isn't equipped to deal with it.
jordan holmes
You know, I actually ordered Tom Brady to lose in the playoffs.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I ordered him to do that in order to get him the Wuhan virus, and he dropped it in Wuhan, which is ironic because we had already named it that way before.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I guess without Steve, we would have Ebola everywhere, so that's great.
I'm glad that he stopped Ebola.
jordan holmes
I really sometimes have a hard time keeping that information in my mind.
When Steve says something like that, and then you repeat it back to me mere moments later, I'm like, he couldn't possibly have said that.
dan friesen
Anyway, Steve has a prescription for what we need to do.
steve pieczenik
My point is simple.
Do not panic.
We have everything in control.
Now, President Trump, get your act together.
Assign somebody as a Surgeon General and create a public health service or appoint the Secretary of Defense to mobilize military so that we have a convenient way to control what comes in and out of our country.
dan friesen
So I guess his angle is you've got to either get a Surgeon General, which we have, or deploy the military to police the borders.
That's not good.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Can you imagine what these morons would say if they did deploy the military?
dan friesen
Well, if Trump did, they'd be fine.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's true.
But if another government did, they would lose their fucking minds.
dan friesen
Very against it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is all stupid.
Steve's whole thing is very dumb.
But he has a third possibility.
You've got either Surgeon General, Military at the border, and actually it's not a third option.
It's actually what we also need to do.
steve pieczenik
And at the same time, without getting panicked, go to the various universities and assess how many Chinese or Oriental students we have.
Not to deport them.
Just simply to know what's going on.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, that seems like a real good thing to do.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, Dan, just cataloging every member of a certain race has never worked out poorly.
I want names and addresses of everyone of a certain race.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's bad.
jordan holmes
That's probably bad.
dan friesen
And certainly, I don't trust that sort of thing coming out of the mouth of somebody who calls them Orientals.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
That indicates to me...
I was really struggling.
I'm struggling with that one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's no good.
dan friesen
So Steve can add to his list of titles.
jordan holmes
The first person we need to focus on is Miss Saigon.
We need to make sure she's taken care of.
All of my information about the East comes from musicals.
dan friesen
It's weird, man.
All cause denier.
Antiquated racist.
Steve is a mess, but I'm glad he survived that brush with the coronavirus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Anyway, he's done.
It's largely him yelling nonsense about...
John Bolton's a pathological liar.
I don't really care.
I don't care to hear his perspective on that.
It is what it is.
jordan holmes
I want him to be set down in a deposition style thing and just ask peppered questions about historical events just to see where he thinks he fits in.
dan friesen
I bet he would know a lot of details about a lot of stuff.
For sure.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And then I want to hear him claim to have done it.
That's what I want.
Oh, just a long-form video.
I think we could bang out enough to get him committed for the rest of his life in two hours max.
dan friesen
So Steve is done, and at this point, I should reveal one of the things that I really wanted to do this episode for is because on the 27th, news broke that Wolfgang Helbig got arrested.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The guy who Alex had on many times, and it was the basis for a lot of Alex's reporting about Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
I'm sure Alex had a lot to say about it.
dan friesen
Wolfgang Halbig got arrested because he had gotten Leonard Posner's personal information, his ID and his social security number, and was sending it out to people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if that wasn't a crime, I'd be real mad.
dan friesen
Now, it's an interesting theory that I think is possible, but I have no idea if this is the case.
On a recent episode, Alex said, get ready for bad news about me to come out.
He'd been building this up.
And I think it's within the realm of possible that Alex was one of the people that Wolfgang might have sent this information to.
I don't know if that's true.
That's pure speculation on my part.
But it seems to me within the realm of possibility that Alex might have known.
That Wolfgang might be getting arrested.
I think he's connected to a lot of people.
Even if he wasn't one of the people who Wolfgang contacted, it's possible that Wolfgang contacted somebody else who knows Alex and told Alex.
There is a possibility that he was aware of this, and he knew that when Wolfgang Halbig gets arrested, his name is going to be brought into it.
So I kind of thought that maybe Alex would touch on this.
He doesn't.
He doesn't mention it at all on the 28th.
There's no mention or discussion of it at all.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So we'll have to wait and see if it ever enters the Infowars canon.
But for now, it does not.
Steve's done.
Alex finishes up the show.
And here he is being a dumb asshole.
alex jones
I'm going up in a helicopter in a little while to do a live feed to show folks how it's dangerous as they're saying.
Then I'm going to be back in studio later.
But powerful broadcast today.
Great job, crew.
dan friesen
Great job, crew.
jordan holmes
Motherfucker.
dan friesen
What he's doing is...
jordan holmes
He goes out on a fucking Kobe.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's going to go and film a special report where he's in a helicopter.
Hey, look.
There's a lot of people with positions on Kobe and without getting into any of that, what I would say is the voice that really we need to hear and the voice that no one is bringing to the table is...
The person who's defensive about helicopter safety.
That is a real angle.
jordan holmes
I fucked up when I was reading the coverage of this.
What I should have been reading about was whether or not people were more afraid of helicopters because of it.
If there's one thing I know about this Kobe situation, it is that people are clamoring out for takes on helicopter safety, Dan.
dan friesen
It's such a bizarre thing for him to fixate on.
jordan holmes
It is the weirdest thing.
dan friesen
It's super bizarre, but it is sort of a way for him to skirt any kind of overtly distasteful.
Kind of things about Kobe's passing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And at the same time, he can get attention.
I guess, yeah.
It seems to me like a really cowardly way to still try and capitalize on the celebrity's death.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what it is.
And it is something that should have been shot down at the pitch meeting very quickly.
dan friesen
No way!
jordan holmes
Hey, what's our take on this whole Kobe thing?
Put you up in a helicopter?
unidentified
Helicopters.
jordan holmes
Good work.
Love it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that that should be illustrative of the sort of work that he's doing.
What you see throughout this episode very consistently is trying to raise the temperature of people's feelings surrounding the coronavirus and then transmute that into sales.
Largely about food.
The food buckets are like primary on this episode, but also the pills.
You see that?
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
You see that.
jordan holmes
This is emptier than...
At least it was a long time ago.
This is really, really nothing.
dan friesen
It's grim, but I think that I might have not really even been super interested in doing this episode, except for the fact that Wolfgang Halbig got arrested and Alex can't bring himself to even talk about it.
And then Steve and his crazy bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's wild.
He was the first person with...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I still can't believe he said that out loud.
I have a hard time believing that.
I genuinely, like, on a very visceral level, I am resisting believing that a human being said that.
dan friesen
That sort of thing is absolutely worth it.
In the same way that Edge's return makes the whole pay-per-view worthwhile.
Steve's declaration.
That's the Edge's return of this episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I'll tell you who had the first outbreak.
I'll tell you who that was.
It was me, Dan.
dan friesen
And I directed the military to stop Ebola.
Great.
jordan holmes
Patient and doctor all in one.
dan friesen
Great, Steve.
Great.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It is knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We are also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you would like to listen to the show, go to iTunes or podcast apps, rate, leave a review, donate, do the whole thing.
It'd be great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the juiciest fish oil.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
dan friesen
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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