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Jan. 27, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#392: January 24, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to track Alex Jones' ongoing coverage of the news of the day. In this installment, The Health Ranger declares that humanity as a whole is finished, and Alex gets some therapy from an old friend who likes to hide in bushes.

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alex jones
14:54
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dan friesen
01:14:32
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jordan holmes
25:13
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mike adams
05:42
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john rappaport
03:10
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norm pattis
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm with this.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Have you ever gone on a fad diet?
Did you ever do one of those like all meat things or only protein guys or eat like a caveman?
dan friesen
Not so much.
I had some inclinations towards the keto diet a while back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just because I read some stuff about it and I thought it seemed interesting.
jordan holmes
What's the keto diet?
dan friesen
It's where you like have carbs way down so your body goes into ketosis.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Is the theory behind it.
I don't know.
I honestly don't know enough about it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I didn't...
Really go full on with it.
But I thought about it and I sort of dabbled towards it by way of restricting carbs a bit.
I had a buddy who lives in LA but used to do comedy here in Chicago who lost a ton of weight and got really healthy and he swore by that time.
It sort of made me feel like maybe there's something more to this.
But I never went full on with it.
But that was really effective.
Not so much going full-on restrictive keto, but really limiting carb intake was something that I found some success with.
I guess that's what Atkins diet is, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
dan friesen
But I never read anything about it.
I don't know it to be a fad, but I do know that I had pretty decent success with not cutting out all carbs, but limiting it, exercising a bit, more water.
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good diet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But that's not really a fad diet.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's just like a good diet.
It wasn't a great diet.
There's so many of those fad diets.
dan friesen
I still had a lot of problems.
jordan holmes
Just do a little bit of it and you're fine.
dan friesen
I still had a lot of problems, though, because I am really not a dietician or know anything about that stuff.
And so my obsession with like, all right, well, we'll go as low calories as possible.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I didn't know where the like...
What nutrient lines were, or how much of X, Y, or Z I should be getting.
So it didn't...
It didn't ultimately end up being a good diet.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It was effective in losing some weight, but it also might be very unhealthy the way I operated.
jordan holmes
I lost a good chunk of weight whenever I went on the I'm-only-going-to-eat-one-frozen-pizza-a-day diet, which, yeah, that cut down my calorie intake quite a bit.
dan friesen
That's the Jordan Peterson diet.
That's the all-meat, baby.
No, I don't know.
And I've actually been giving some consideration to needing to make some tweaks to my eating.
Currently.
But based on my experience with the last time, I realized that I'm very stupid.
I don't know what to do.
So I'm considering it.
But we'll see what happens.
For now, no fad diets.
jordan holmes
No fad diets.
dan friesen
This is a podcast where I don't know much about diets or food or how to be healthy.
But I do know a bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know much about either.
dan friesen
Correct.
Jordan, today we are still in the present.
Because of course we are.
jordan holmes
Because nothing's going on.
dan friesen
Today we are going over January 24th, 2020.
I'm Dan, and this is 2020.
jordan holmes
Alright, calm it down.
dan friesen
To give you some sense of where this episode is going to go, I have to play this out of contracts drop before we even thank people to sign up.
Because you need to know where things are going.
mike adams
It's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
Mike Adams is declaring it over for humanity.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Humanity is done.
jordan holmes
All right.
That's a strong proclamation.
dan friesen
And trust me, I know that clip is out of context, but I didn't cut out him saying it would be stupid for me to say before he declares humanity done.
jordan holmes
An example of something that somebody shouldn't say is humanity is done.
unidentified
A wildly irresponsible proclamation.
dan friesen
For a pretend health expert slash ranger would be to say this.
No, he is declaring it done.
Humanity, great time we had.
jordan holmes
We had a good run.
I really think we did.
dan friesen
So anyway, we'll get there.
But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show.
I mean, we appreciate it, even though humanity's done.
jordan holmes
I believe we're saying thank you and goodbye.
dan friesen
So anyway, Matthew, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Matthew.
Sorry about the bad news.
dan friesen
Next, Christian.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Christian.
We're going to miss you.
dan friesen
Next, Sol.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Sol.
Like the sun, you're going to explode.
dan friesen
Next, Nick.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Nick.
I'm sorry to all of your loved ones who are also going to explore.
dan friesen
Next, Stephen.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Stephen.
unidentified
The bit?
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Just giving up on it?
jordan holmes
Just giving up on the bit.
I'm running low.
dan friesen
All right.
Jimothy.
Timothy with a J. Jimothy, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jimothy.
dan friesen
Thank you, Jimothy.
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Timothy with a T, not a J. It's like Jimothy, but with a T. Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Christopher with a K. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson.
All right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Timothy and Christopher.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, humanity's done, but I like this show and I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Hey, guys, I'm going to be honest.
You can't take it with you, so you might as well just donate.
I'm just saying.
dan friesen
A little glimpse behind the curtain.
I just realized that every single time I say you can click that button that says support the show, I pantomime pressing a button.
jordan holmes
You do.
I've never said anything about it at all.
dan friesen
Completely subconscious.
Did not even realize I was doing that.
Anyway, today's show is very weird.
If you didn't get that from the club.
jordan holmes
They're in a good headspace, I assume.
dan friesen
Man, no one's doing good today.
This is such a weird show.
It's so fucked up.
Mike Adams is way out of line.
jordan holmes
How so?
dan friesen
Well, you already got a taste of it.
Alex is a mess.
And then we get the return of someone who is missing.
And presumed dead.
I don't know.
Someone who we have not heard from in a very long time.
jordan holmes
Old man house phone?
dan friesen
Nope.
I don't want to ruin the surprise.
jordan holmes
Is Don DeGrand Prix alive again?
dan friesen
I have bad news.
He is still dead.
No, but Alex starts the show off with a special report.
And it's like, what the fuck's going on here?
Gets to like 10 minutes into the show.
Still just special reports.
The first 20 minutes of the show.
All special reports.
And then when Alex finally gets into studio, he explains, I just couldn't do the show.
alex jones
Reading all the news and all the information, this is probably one of the first times that I just physically could not go on air at the start of the broadcast.
unidentified
Couldn't do it.
alex jones
There really just comes a time when the world's just going to have to be judged.
If I tell you what I really think about things, it's because I respect you.
But we're not going to get away with aborting billions of babies and not valuing human life and watching China, the model of where people don't value human life, and watch that become the global standard for multinational corporations who are beyond solace and not have a total Collapse of civilization.
And so that's where all this is going.
dan friesen
So we got some long pauses in there.
We got Alex in a real fucked up mood.
He couldn't even do his show because he was reading articles about dumb bullshit.
And apparently, like, this is not doomsday preaching.
This is the doomsday is here.
jordan holmes
This is it.
You know, I mean...
I went to a psychiatrist when I was depressed.
I did feel like the world is ending, Dan, but I didn't broadcast those feelings to hundreds of thousands of people.
dan friesen
I should tell you, Alex does get a form of therapy on this episode.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
So you do have that to look forward to.
jordan holmes
Alright, good, good, good.
dan friesen
But yeah, this is not like prediction doomsday stuff.
This is like we're in it.
We're in it.
And of course, this has to do with the Wuhan coronavirus.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You should just be able to assume.
jordan holmes
We've got a bunch of confirmed cases.
Up to this point, I believe we're over a couple of thousand at this point.
We're getting there, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Now, that means that humanity's done.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
It's got a long way to go before it gets all of us.
That's all I'm saying.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know, it's fun to joke around and make fun of Alex.
But at the same time, I do think that the outbreak is not a laughing matter.
It's something that should be taken pretty seriously.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Especially for the people who are experiencing it.
You know, the people in China are going through something.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Agreed.
I'm not chastising you for laughing.
What I'm saying is like...
It's a delicate balance to walk of making fun of Alex while respecting the situation.
Basically, I'm saying I apologize in advance if we walk afoul of that line.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But Alex has read some shit.
Not about the impeachment, apparently.
Not about any of that stuff.
I don't know his thoughts on that because it doesn't really come up.
jordan holmes
What is there to read about it?
dan friesen
Dems are talking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they keep on going with their proof.
dan friesen
So Alex has...
I've seen some videos on Twitter, I believe.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that might be the extent...
jordan holmes
He's not allowed on Twitter.
dan friesen
He has a fake...
He has a burner.
That might be the extent of his research.
alex jones
And now they're driving around in China with giant fumigators pumping out chemicals hoping to kill the virus and the government is using it for a police state authoritarian enforcement drill.
And, you know, really the big takeaway from this is Infowars, analyzing the globalist program.
jordan holmes
Not the takeaway.
alex jones
Because absolutely, with films and articles and guests and PowerPoint presentations, thousands of times detailed exactly what you see beginning to unfold in China with the coronavirus.
And the fact that Bill and Melinda Gates...
A few months ago, I had a big drill for something similar to this that would kill 65 million people starting in China.
dan friesen
So, first things first, I want to reiterate and stress that nothing I'm going to say is to imply that this is not a serious health issue that should be a high priority.
All I can do is go on the word of experts, and this does seem like a situation where there's a potential for things to go pretty badly.
But even with that said, it's so wrong for Alex to be doing this doomsday preacher shit.
I understand that that's his bread and butter, and without panic, he doesn't really make money, but this is the sort of subject where coverage like this could really get people hurt, whether it's from discouraging people from taking appropriate health steps or from feeding into a generalized panic.
The director general of the World Health Organization gave a press conference, and according to them, quote, this is an emergency in China, but it has not yet become a global health emergency.
It may yet become one.
I feel it's important to keep things in perspective and express our concern for the people of China and demand action to protect them as best as possible while taking steps to keep the odds low that the virus does become a global health emergency.
Another thing that's important to point out is that at the time of Alex's episode, the death toll from the coronavirus was at 17. And the World Health Organization has commented that most of those deaths, quote, occurred in patients with pre-existing health conditions.
This isn't to say that it's no big deal, but it is to say that there's a lot of uncertainty right now.
And using out-of-context numbers can be a really irresponsible thing to do, especially when you're driving people towards conclusions like what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a struggle to listen to him because what he's talking about is fictional.
So when we laugh at that, we're laughing in his fictionalized universe of what's going on.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
You know, we're not laughing at the reality of the circumstances.
dan friesen
That is correct.
That is a good interpretation.
jordan holmes
It's hard to, you know, when we're talking about that line, it's not even like a line of respectful or disrespectful, but of...
When do we get into making fun of reality versus fantasy?
dan friesen
But it's still important to point that out a little bit, I think.
Because I think it could be easily misinterpreted as sick, dark humor.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So in response to the outbreak, China put the city of Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated, on lockdown.
That city alone is home to 11 million people, and this lockdown was later extended to surrounding areas, and at the time of the writing of this episode, the preparation, it was covering an area of about 56 million people.
The World Health Organization and representatives of Human Rights Watch have made some comments about this not being a great thing to do.
We've discussed in the past how it makes intuitive sense that quarantines would be what you do, but most experts will tell you that it's an ineffective way to deal with public health.
Particularly when you're dealing with large geographic areas or large groups of people.
It turns out that it's nearly impossible to quarantine on a large scale effectively.
That being said, there isn't a whole lot that the World Health Organization can do if that's the strategy that China has chosen to pursue.
So there's differences of opinions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can advise them, but remember there's that whole sovereign nation stuff going on.
dan friesen
Another thing to keep in mind is that in recent days, the number of reported cases has jumped considerably.
Which has caused some people to lean towards panic.
However, to quote the Associated Press, Also, China is not the most trustworthy player in the game, so it does make sense to maintain a position of skepticism, given their government's cover-up of the beginning of the 2002 SARS outbreak.
But it's important to keep that as a position of skepticism, not a blind confirmation of the worst-case scenario possible.
What I'm trying to get at is there's a lot of real complicated elements to this in terms of, yes, there's a lot more cases of it, but that could not be a bad sign.
That could be a neutral sign.
China could be...
Giving false numbers.
They might not be, but they could be.
And if that's the case, what does that mean?
You don't know what that means.
Alex doesn't know what that means.
Even people commenting on it who have backgrounds in this don't necessarily know exactly the conclusions to draw.
So it's important to keep whatever you want to do.
If you want to approach this with a China, they're a bunch of liars, it's got to be worse than this.
You can have that Or you can have that suspicion, but it doesn't merit leaping to whatever conclusion of, like, we're all going to die.
jordan holmes
No, and that conclusion is actively harmful, because now so many people are going to experience any kind of symptom, and they're going to go and they're going to fill up as many hospitals as possible with panic.
dan friesen
I mean, that's possible.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, that's what happens whenever you stoke this kind of panic.
And there are plenty of hospitals now where it's...
They literally have to screen everybody who's been in that area.
It's a lot of work that's going to maybe not even be necessary.
dan friesen
There was a video that made the rounds on Twitter of a vehicle driving on the street, supposedly in Shanghai, spraying, quote, disinfector.
I have real difficulty with this because I can find that video on Twitter, but I have no idea when it was shot, if this was actually Shanghai, who shot the video.
It's very difficult to tell at all what's going on.
The Washington Examiner mentions this video, and even they have to say that it, quote, purports to show workers spraying sidewalks and parks with an unidentified disinfectant.
I'm really not sure what to do with that video, but I definitely understand how the optics of it are right in Alex's wheelhouse.
I'm not surprised to see him making a huge deal out of it instead of reporting responsibly.
Initially, I had no idea what Alex was talking about with the Bill and Melinda Gates drill.
I have to assume that it's just kind of made up, or at least I did at the first, because I couldn't find anything about it anywhere.
I looked through the Infowars website, I didn't find...
You search for Bill Gates on there, nothing comes up.
jordan holmes
What would they even be drilling?
dan friesen
Well, there is an interesting reality behind this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
On my path through this, though, I should point out that it's fun to go through some of the headlines Alex has posted about Bill Gates over the years.
Here's one from 2016.
Quote, did Bill Gates create the Zika virus?
Or from 2017.
Quote, Bill Gates threatens world with biological weapon menace.
Seems like Alex kind of just does this.
Was that before or after he created the Zika virus?
Alex kind of just does this whenever there's a public health related story.
It's always Bill Gates.
Bill Gates did this.
jordan holmes
Weather weapons.
He's a super villain.
The whole thing.
dan friesen
It took me a while to get to the bottom of this, but it turns out that this is something that Alex found on a blog written by a guy named Michael Snyder.
There's also an article written by Kellen McBreen on Alex's site about this, which was pretty difficult to find because his site is unnavigatable.
Right.
But that article by Kellen McBreen is basically just a copy and paste job from Snyder's article, and it came out the day after the Snyder blog post about it.
The name of his blog is The Economic Collapse, and I should tell you that Michael Snyder is a bit of a nutjob.
He used to be a frequent guest on InfoWars, but now you can more commonly find him on the Jim Baker Show.
In fact, he has even hosted his own show on Jim Baker's network.
This should give you the first clue you need to deduce that Michael Snyder is a dude who's super into ranting about the end times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds right.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
His website, the Economic Collapse Blog, includes a set of links that tell you everything you need to know about this asshole.
In addition to the standard survival food sales companies and gold and silver sales, he also has a link to Jack Chick's website, where you can buy all of the Chick Tracts, which, if you don't know, are little cartoon books, little comic books that are designed to terrorize children into fundamentalist Christianity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you touch another human being, you're going to hell.
dan friesen
Anyone with a link to Jack Chick is a fucking asshole.
I can say that.
With no reservation whatsoever.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
He's earned that reputation.
dan friesen
Snyder's got a list of failed predictions way too long to get into right now, but suffice it to say, he's a guy who's really leaned into pretending he hasn't been wrong a million times.
And so has Alex.
Despite this dude's constant doomsday shit failing to come true, Alex still considers him a worthwhile source, which is not surprising at all because Alex has no standards.
So...
This story here out of Michael Snyder's website has the headline, quote, A high-level exercise conducted three months ago showed that a coronavirus pandemic could kill 65 million people.
Before I get into what's actually discussed in the article, it's important to point out that the article also contains this paragraph.
Quote, I find it quite interesting that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was involved because they're also financial backers of the institute that was granted a U.S. patent for an attenuated coronavirus in November 2018.
jordan holmes
Yay, chickens!
dan friesen
This article is using the hoax story about the Peerbright Institute in terms of building up their article, which is indicative of a lack of quality in the work here.
It's really just indicative of an operation devoid of standards just trying to push some propaganda and cause panic.
It took place on October 18th and simulated a coronavirus outbreak.
And it was meant to explore various responses.
Alex said that their simulation involved a virus starting in China.
But, according to Michael Snyder, who is absolutely his source, the virus in the simulation started in Brazil.
This is trademark Alex.
He can't stop himself from lying.
He can't stop himself from massaging details to make things fit his narratives more closely.
It's not enough that this drill just happened and simulated a coronavirus outbreak.
It has to have started in the same place as the coronavirus originated in the real world.
If the simulation matches the real world, it strengthens the perception that the simulation was the plan for the real world, which is why he lies like this.
jordan holmes
It's so disappointing, because it's even better if you tell the truth, if the simulation...
It was tried in Brazil, and it didn't go the way they wanted it to.
65 million is too low.
Yeah, exactly.
You can turn that into even better propaganda.
dan friesen
You should write for Alex.
jordan holmes
I want to.
dan friesen
Could have done better than Kellen McBreen.
jordan holmes
He's so lazy.
dan friesen
So, honestly, beyond that, I don't think there's anything suspicious about this event 201.
It was a get-together of people with different expertises, which was hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
These experts basically had a symposium where they discussed their reactions to hypothetical pandemic event.
That they had set up.
They represented people from business fields, governmental organizations, and NGOs, the latter of which is why there was a representative from the Bill and Melinda Gates organization who was involved.
You can go to the website for the Center for Health Safety and watch the entire thing.
I watched most of it last night.
It's really just people talking about the implications of a developing emergency and how they feel to be inclined to respond.
I watched a bunch of it, and I gotta say, I like this stuff.
If you take away the fact that there is a real-world health crisis going on right now, this would be fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's Model UN.
Basically, yeah.
dan friesen
There was CASA, the Columbia Aeronautic and Space Association in Missouri.
I remember, I think it was part of my gifted program or whatever.
We went and did a space shuttle launch simulation.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's cool as shit.
dan friesen
That was such a fun day.
I'm 35 and I still remember it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It was great.
Like, in this thing that they did with the Johns Hopkins, they even, like, they hired actors to film news reports to play throughout.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
For them to respond to.
jordan holmes
That's a fucking Parks and Recreation episode.
dan friesen
All of the people, except for, like, the ones who were involved in, like, the actual organization.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They had no idea what the, like, circumstances were going to be, and they had to roll with it.
God damn it would be fun.
jordan holmes
It's so fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a live-action role-playing game.
dan friesen
Basically.
And also, should point out.
A lot of these people are not really into roleplaying or anything, so you can see the clear discomfort in them trying to pretend the situation is real.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
There's a real distance and an inability to act.
jordan holmes
All right, there's an outbreak in the Wuhan province of...
dan friesen
And then the expert will still respond, in a situation like this, we would.
It's like, no, no, you're supposed to be in it.
Anyway, if you go to their YouTube page, you can find videos of their past exercises like this.
Like in May 2018, when they did this exact same exercise with a slightly different hypothetical disease.
You can also find plenty of other videos of conferences where these sorts of issues are discussed in a slightly different presentation, just like speakers giving lectures.
A lot of it comes down to discussing questions that may not come up in your normal thought process, but would if you're role-playing an outbreak with a bunch of experts from different fields.
Like, you bounce things off, like, oh, I hadn't considered what the business response, like, your field has thoughts and concerns that mine doesn't.
We can better help a coordinated approach if we get together and pretend.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It just makes sense.
jordan holmes
They should have had a representative from Right Wing Weirdos who was just like, we set the southern border on fire.
The whole thing, it's just a 20-foot tall flame from one side of the country to the other.
dan friesen
Well, that is a setback.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So how are we going to get people okay?
dan friesen
So now we've got an outbreak and arson.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, is it suspicious, Jordan, that they used a coronavirus as the hypothetical outbreak, and now there's a coronavirus?
jordan holmes
No, because we've had coronavirus outbreaks in the past, so it would make sense to model your...
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
In the past 18 years, there have been two major outbreaks of coronaviruses, with SARS in 2002 and MERS in 2012.
The host of the event, when she's giving a speech setting everything up, even points out that they wanted to create a scenario for the experts to discuss that was realistic.
And if that's your goal, a coronavirus is a great candidate to base your hypothetical disease on.
And honestly, from the perspective of the conspiracy theorist, that detail doesn't even really matter.
The fact that it's coronavirus.
If they'd used Ebola as their hypothetical disease, Alex and his ilk would just be advancing the same narratives about them having a planned meeting for a pandemic.
It's code!
jordan holmes
If it was a fucking James Cameron, it would be unobtain a virus and they'd just do it the same fucking way.
dan friesen
It probably sounds like I'm doing a bit of hand-waving here.
Like, who cares?
But honestly, this doesn't rise anywhere close to being above the level of coincidence for me.
This is a public health organization that was holding a panel discussion that centered around a hypothetical pandemic.
That's what they do.
The hypothetical pandemic they chose is a coronavirus, which makes sense as a candidate for them to use.
According to discussion in their exercise, the World Health Organization deals with approximately 200 outbreaks every year, many of them small and localized to the point where we never even hear about them.
They're able to do that work effectively and save people's lives because they train.
Because they do things like this exercise to test their preparedness for larger, more dangerous situations.
All that is just...
I mean, I know this sounds like, I don't know, a cop-out, but this is just timing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just a coincidence of timing.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the training was in October?
dan friesen
Uh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, that makes perfect sense.
I mean, I imagine that they would do something like this at least twice a year, so you would never be more than six months away from training.
dan friesen
I do not think that they do this twice a year.
unidentified
I'm just saying that, well, maybe they should do it twice a year.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe.
I don't think it's that frequent, but from what I understand, it's not a wholly uncommon thing for them to do.
jordan holmes
You'll never be far enough away from a training event for it to matter, though.
dan friesen
No, and you've got to consider that this is one in a line of training events.
There's probably many that we don't know about that are much more localized, smaller, coordinating state and city responses.
As opposed to government and international business type things.
You could make this argument, oh, they had a meeting about this, they did a planned exercise.
You could probably make that any time you wanted to.
It would just be a matter of digging to find the example.
I find nothing suspicious about this, but for Alex, it's proof.
jordan holmes
That's so fucking annoying that there are so many outbreaks that are handled because these people are incredibly competent.
And then you do hear about one and these lunatics go out and they're like, these people have no idea what they're doing!
Or they're actively trying to kill us all!
Even though it's like we have mountains upon mountains of evidence that...
It's good.
They're doing a good job.
dan friesen
It's a sincere bummer.
So Alex talks a little more about this exercise, and he's lying.
alex jones
And that this would be used in Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's own words.
Here's the article right here by Kellen McBreen.
To bring in world government.
dan friesen
So the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation didn't say that their planning was to bring in world government.
The conclusion of the exercise wasn't even that there should be world government.
Fuck, that Kellen McBreen article Alex is reading doesn't even say that.
The conclusions reached by the exercise were largely around government and international business, recognizing the need to work together to avert crises.
I know Alex thinks that any kind of international collaboration that doesn't involve Trump doing something weird counts as world government, but this is just weak shit.
Oh, also...
One of the goals they recognize as being important in the exercise is, quote, governments and private sectors should assign a greater priority to developing methods to combat mis- and disinformation prior to the next pandemic response.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that would probably be a smart idea.
dan friesen
I think Alex is basically making their case for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They might as well put a big red X around Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Right, right.
So now Alex starts getting into, like, you can tell.
He didn't do the first half hour of his show.
He's coming in weird.
He's talking doomsday is here type shit.
We already know that Mike Adams is going to be on later and say that humanity is done.
We're in a fucked up place.
jordan holmes
I can only assume that the lawsuit is going well.
I think that's what I'm going to go with.
I think he's winning too much, Dan.
dan friesen
That might be coloring some of his perceptions.
But because he's in this state and he's like, well, pandemic here.
Humanity is going to die.
jordan holmes
Because of abortion.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's divine retribution.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Instead of being like, everyone go to the hills or whatever.
I'm not sure exactly what your normal person's response to this would be.
jordan holmes
Just wait to die.
dan friesen
Alex's response is, I called it.
alex jones
And, you know, I made a film a long time ago.
Time sure flies.
I guess 13 years ago.
jordan holmes
I mean, this isn't time to reminisce.
The world's ending at all.
alex jones
Called Endgame, blueprint for global enslavement.
And what's it say on the back?
They want you dead.
jordan holmes
Who wrote that?
alex jones
And I explain everything in the film.
It's a three-hour film.
dan friesen
Too long.
alex jones
And we sold a couple hundred thousand copies of it.
And I put it out for free on Google Video.
And it got over 50 million views on there before Google got rid of Google Video.
dan friesen
Cool.
alex jones
And it's got about 10 million views on different platforms on YouTube.
But the point is...
dan friesen
Proud of you.
alex jones
Is that if you watch this 13-year-old film...
It lays out how they would use contrived bio crises, epidemics, to bring in world government.
jordan holmes
Does it, Dan?
dan friesen
For anyone who's interested, we have a five-episode series breaking down Alex's film Endgame that you can find very easily by looking for it.
jordan holmes
Don't listen to the last episode.
I lost my mind.
dan friesen
I spent a lot of time with that pile of shit film, and I can tell you conclusively that not only did Alex not prove a damn thing in that movie, but also the bioweapons were almost not mentioned at all.
There is a lot of talk about depopulation.
That was mostly in the context of him misusing quotes from people like Bertrand Russell and Margaret Sanger to attack vaccines and abortion rights.
He did talk about race-specific bioweapons very briefly, citing the Project for a New American Century document as proof that Cheney wanted to use them.
Far be it for me to defend Dick Cheney, but that PNAC document mentions the use of bioweapons of that variety as one in a list of hypothetical threats the country could face as a justification for rebuilding America's defenses, which coincidentally is the actual name of that document.
It's not called the PNAC document.
Alex just calls it that so it's harder to find.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Beyond that, the documentary, in heavy quotes, is a bunch of bullshit.
It's just fake quotes and a lot of people yelling about a road.
It's a horribly shitty documentary, and it honestly is embarrassing to look back at.
The idea that Alex is sitting here and pretending that it's somehow demonstrated or proved that the globalists are going to use a bioweapon to bring in a one-world government is just sad.
It's just sad.
And I was wondering why is he getting reminiscent about this, because it doesn't really make sense.
That movie isn't really about bioweapons.
jordan holmes
No, not even a little bit.
dan friesen
No.
I mean, I would say The Road is far...
jordan holmes
It was about a road!
dan friesen
That was a far larger part of the documentary.
jordan holmes
It was mainly about a road!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It was a road!
dan friesen
It was fake quotes.
jordan holmes
Thomas Jefferson got beat to death in that movie.
dan friesen
No, Thomas Jefferson was more in the Obama deception.
john rappaport
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
There was like fake Hitler quotes, fake Rockefeller quotes.
It was all just a load of horse shit.
And then just citation needed all over the place.
His bibliography looked like Swiss cheese.
jordan holmes
There was quite a few references to just...
Microsoft Encarta.
dan friesen
Period.
jordan holmes
Not even like a chapter or a topic.
Just screw around with Encarta for a while and you'll find it.
dan friesen
My favorite part of his bibliography was in the section where he was providing a citation for his claim that the Rothschilds funded both sides of all major wars.
It just said, insert Rothschild funding both sides of wars.
jordan holmes
Send it to print.
Who cares?
That's a good citation.
dan friesen
But the movie really wasn't about bioweapons.
Alex is in a situation where you have this coronavirus outbreak.
He's been building up the narrative of using this chicken vaccine patent and then now this Center for Health Safety exercise as being all evidence that this is a globalist Like, great, you're good to go.
Why are you bringing Endgame into this?
jordan holmes
Because he's the greatest, and it's the greatest documentary that anybody has ever seen or made.
alex jones
And what's interesting is there's a big article out today.
I got a lot of calls on it because it's in the physical paper.
I guess on the front page of the business section.
And it says, Amazon Prime Video gives amateur...
How-to conspiracy theories of stage.
Then it goes on to say, oh, questionable films.
You can't have a book or a film that's questionable in the marketplace.
It's just not allowed.
Somebody up there says no.
So it says Amazon took down the Alex Jones film, Endgame, for violating community standards.
Now, when you watch Endgame, it's all their words.
Their plan.
Their smart cities, their control grids.
And then the bio crises they'll trigger.
Each one bigger than the last as the news tightens around your throat.
A couple of things.
dan friesen
This was not a big article.
It was in the Wall Street Journal, though, so at least it's a real thing.
Alex is a little off on the details, though.
He says that the films are taken off Amazon Prime for violating community standards, but that's not what the article says.
It says he violated, quote, company policy.
And it goes on to say, quote, the company, Amazon, their content policy focuses on issues pertaining to sexually explicit content, violence, and copyright infringement.
But it gives Amazon leeway to disallow anything it deems inappropriate.
Prime is Amazon's streaming service, and apparently their rules are that you can upload your own stuff if you want to, but they also can take down anything they want to.
Seems like this went exactly as it should have.
Alex slid under the radar for a while and made some revenue from Amazon.
Then Avengers Endgame came out and a bunch of people accidentally watched his documentary, got confused and complained, at which point Amazon took his shit down, probably because they didn't realize it was there to begin with.
Also, Alex seems to forget how bad Endgame was.
Or what it's even about.
When he's saying that the film is just the globalist's own words, I can think of at least two completely fabricated quotes that he used in that film.
And tons of times he used quotes completely out of context, making them mean different things than what they actually meant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even when he specifically said he was using their words.
He was not using their words.
dan friesen
I refuse to do this all again.
So if you want to learn about how full of shit Endgame is, we have nine hours you can listen to to take care of that.
It was mostly about a road.
jordan holmes
It was mostly about a road.
It was a big road.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
That stuff.
I was just like, because he kept talking about it, I started remembering little things that I'd forgotten.
I forgot about Daniel Estelin and his book.
That was one of my favorite things in the endgame.
jordan holmes
Which book was that?
dan friesen
His book about the Bilderberg group that had, like, one of his inside sources was a guy who believes that he's from, like, intergalactic high command.
unidentified
That's right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now I remember that one.
dan friesen
Goddamn.
jordan holmes
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
Such stupid shit.
Anyway, this is why Alex is talking about Endgame.
It's because they just took it off Amazon Prime, and he's really pissed off about it, and he can use it to weave into, like, his narrative that, like...
Yeah, they're taking it down because they're doing this bioweapon release.
My shit is too real for that.
jordan holmes
Of course it is.
dan friesen
So it all works out.
jordan holmes
People are never going to know about this fucking road unless they get to see...
What do you want to watch?
Did Tony Stark go back in time?
Bullshit.
You've got to hear about this fucking road.
It's terrifying.
dan friesen
I'd like to congratulate Alex on taking these pieces and building exactly what he should have out of it.
Now, granted, it's all bullshit, but it's probably exactly what you would do if you were...
A crass liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a paint-by-numbers situation.
dan friesen
It's pretty simple stuff.
So, I was just sort of talking shit when I was suggesting that Avengers Endgame came out and it caused a bit of confusion.
Turns out, Alex has some thoughts about Avengers Endgame.
jordan holmes
Of course he does!
alex jones
But why is this so important?
Why was it taken down?
Well, it was taken down for a lot of reasons, but you see...
This film inspired the Avengers Endgame.
jordan holmes
They contacted me.
alex jones
They said, oh, you're going to really like this movie.
unidentified
It's about exterminating everybody.
alex jones
That's about killing everyone.
Genocide.
So see, you make a film, it inspires a movie by the same name, and it inspires Dave Mustaine albums and everything else, and then it gets taken down for a thought crime.
dan friesen
Who could forget that subplot in Avengers Endgame where Hawkeye is trying to build a road?
jordan holmes
He's just running.
unidentified
He's just running down that fucking road.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
No comment.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm trying to think of, was it when the giant spaceship fell onto the, or?
I'm trying to think of a good road situation in Avengers Endgame.
dan friesen
Everything that's big is based on Alex.
You should know that.
jordan holmes
I'm going to say that Alex would not approve of Wakanda.
I'm going to tell you that right now.
dan friesen
He's talked about not liking that.
He does not like Black Panther.
So Alex gets to talking about how he has experts on to talk about these health issues that are facing the world.
His list is not good.
alex jones
We've been reporting this since last week.
And we've been having experts on, like Mike Adams and many others, and playing in historical clips of the co-inventor of the polio vaccine, admitting that they knew it had SV40 in it that causes cancer.
dan friesen
Keep that clip of the co-inventor of the polio vaccine in the back of your head, because we'll get to it later.
I was very confused by that.
I didn't know what to do until Alex...
We talked about it again later.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we'll get to it down the road.
But first, I do not think it's fair to call Mike Adams an expert on anything.
That's embarrassing.
We've had experts like Mike Adams on.
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
Look, okay, so one time you say you should put Ebola in your blood and then drink it, and now all of a sudden you're not an expert?
dan friesen
That may come back up later.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, of course it will.
dan friesen
Second, when Alex says that they put SV40 in polio vaccines, he's lying.
Between 1955 and 1963, approximately 10-30% of polio vaccines were contaminated with what's known as SV40, or simian virus 40. The reason for this was that at the time, vaccines were made using monkey kidney cell cultures, and unbeknownst to the vaccine makers, some of the vaccines were contaminated.
Obviously, that's not good.
However, according to the CDC, quote, there has been some concern that the virus could cause cancer in humans.
However, most studies looking at the relationship between SV40 and cancers are reassuring, finding no causal association between the receipt of SV40 contaminated polio vaccine and the development of cancer.
Animal tests have shown that it can cause tumors and hamsters, but the tests for people have been inconclusive.
So Alex can't even prove that basic piece of his argument, which is what he's getting at.
They gave it to give everyone cancer.
In the history of medicine, it's one where you can find a ton of whoops moments.
And if you don't really want to concern yourself with details, and you just want to attack the medical field, maybe because you make all your money selling dumb supplements, it's really easy to pretend that all of these moments were actually secret attacks on the public.
But Alex can't prove any of this shit.
This is just his feelings.
jordan holmes
It's like L. Ron Hubbard trying to prove that all psychiatrists are after him.
Sure.
Everything is the psychiatry industry searching to destroy us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is an expert on Mike Adams and played clips, but we'll get to a little bit down the road, from experts, the co-inventor of the...
jordan holmes
I don't like experts telling me that the world is already over.
I don't like experts telling me that humanity has already punched its ticket.
dan friesen
I can reassure you, Mike Adams is no expert.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
He is a douche.
jordan holmes
What about the whole Ebola blood thing?
Did that work out?
dan friesen
Didn't.
Okay.
So...
You know, the whole point is that SV40 was put in the vaccine for polio in order to give people cancer.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit about this cancer thing here.
alex jones
Did you know chickens come from eggs?
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
Fertilized eggs.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
How do you vaccinate them?
alex jones
Raindrops come from clouds.
dan friesen
You betcha.
Sort of.
alex jones
Did you know that almost all cancer comes from viruses?
That's well known in the scientific field of virology for about 80 years.
dan friesen
Well known for 80 years.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Sorry.
I just enjoy a childlike sense of wonderment at the universe.
Did you know that almost all cancers are made from viruses?
dan friesen
According to a paper in the Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine from December 2006, an estimated 15% of all human cancers worldwide may be attributed to viruses.
A 2016 release from the National Toxicology Program from the National Institutes of Health puts the number lower, saying, quote, about 12% of cancers worldwide are linked to viruses.
A 2013 article from the American Society for Microbiology carried the headline, quote, percentage of cancers linked to viruses potentially overestimated.
This was specifically about some research from 2011 out of the Karolinska Institute in Sweden that theorized that 40% of cancer is linked to viruses, at which point scientists began to test that theory and found it was not good, and that the number was much lower, closer to 10%, which is right in line with that 12, even the 15 is in the ballpark of what...
It's kind of within the scientific consensus.
unidentified
Alex is saying almost all of them.
jordan holmes
Even the study that was wildly overestimating the number still didn't make it all the way to most.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Let alone almost all.
dan friesen
No.
What Alex is saying is the sort of shit that you end up saying when you think Mike Adams is an expert in the field of medicine.
You end up saying stupid shit like that.
Anyway, you jump off the medical news for a little bit because...
There's some legal issues.
And it's not Alex's legal issues.
It's his boy, Owen Troyer.
Owen Troyer has been arrested.
alex jones
Owen's court hearing is in about 20 minutes if it's on time in D.C. So I would guess the next hour we'll have Norm Pattis, my lawyer that's there with him, and Owen on the broadcast arrested for wearing tape across his mouth inside the Senate foyer.
dan friesen
That's not why.
alex jones
Not in any of the Senate buildings.
Everybody else was allowed to hold up signs and do stuff and yell and scream, but he can't because, well, they ordered the police to arrest him and they follow orders.
dan friesen
Oh, is that what's going on?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Owen got himself in trouble at the Capitol because he was specifically advertising Infowars.
Advertising is not allowed at the Capitol, even in the foyer.
If you watch the video, it's actually really funny.
Owen is begging the cops to arrest him.
They're clearly telling him that the problem is his sign, which clearly says, quote, learn more at band.video, which is a direct advertisement.
It's so sad.
He's got this tape on his mouth with the word censored, but he's still talking to the cops through the tape.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
dan friesen
It's just a mess.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
At one point, a cop goes to put him in cuffs, and the cop Owen's been talking to says, no, he gets a warning, to which Owen replies, quote, no, arrest me in front of all these people so they can see censorship in this country.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I'm so tired.
dan friesen
The whole game here is that the pro-impeachment protesters didn't get arrested, but Owen did.
The goal is to reinforce the right-wing victimhood narrative that drives this entire worldview.
Crucial to this game is to never recognize what you were actually doing, why it's wrong, and what you got arrested for, which was the advertising.
Back in March of last year, someone who works with the artist Robin Bell was arrested for a similar thing.
When they projected the words, discrimination is wrong, on the Capitol building.
The issue there, I think, it may have been that the projection also included a hashtag, which could be deemed advertising.
Speaking to WAMU, Bell even said, quote, the main thing is as long as it's not an advertisement, we were pretty much told that it looked like we were able to do this.
So even there, clear that you can't advertise in the Capitol.
It's really hard to say whether Owen and Infowars knew that they were advertising in the Capitol building and that they would be arrested and that they could make it look like they were being oppressed, or if they're just too dumb to even check out relevant laws before doing their dumb shit.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna go with door number two, Dan.
dan friesen
I'm honestly not sure, but either way, I just do not care about Owen's stupid publicity stuff.
jordan holmes
Nah, good for him.
dan friesen
Anyway, by the end of this episode...
Norm Pettis will show up and announce that the charges have been dropped and Owen's released.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all.
unidentified
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Because nobody cares.
dan friesen
No one cares.
jordan holmes
Nobody wants to even gum up the D.C. law system with...
If I was a judge and I saw Owen Schroer walk into the courtroom, I'd just be like, Jesus Christ, go away.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Whatever you need to go away, take it.
dan friesen
Totes.
So, Alex gets back to that clip that he played of the co-inventor of the vaccine.
jordan holmes
The co-inventor.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's a co-inventory.
dan friesen
Right.
We know that Jonas Salk created the...
jordan holmes
I was always given to believe that he was a hero for creating the polio vaccine and then refusing to profit off of it.
dan friesen
There's some complications with a lot of that history.
It's very interesting.
I ended up watching a documentary that Alex misdirected me towards.
The history of polio is a very fascinating one.
jordan holmes
I'm all about it.
dan friesen
I'm not going to get into it too much.
Go ahead and...
Look into it yourself if you want to.
It's just not relevant.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Fair.
Anyway, Alex is saying that this guy, who he never names, was working with Jonas Salk.
jordan holmes
If you are the co-inventor of the polio vaccine, I think people should know your name.
dan friesen
Oh, I do.
I know who he's talking about, and we'll get into it.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Salk says to the scientists, and they have the interview to PBS in Boston, that's what we heard yesterday.
He asked Salk, he said, well, this is terrible.
He said, well, we're not going to stop the efficacy of vaccines.
This is all just obfuscation.
Besides, there's too many Russians.
And the scientist goes, but we killed Americans too.
And he goes...
dan friesen
Alex keeps talking about how the people who made the polio vaccine knew that there was SV40 in it, and they didn't care.
They wanted to give people cancer.
A number of times he says that this guy who worked with Jonas Salk had said as much, kind of implying that he had the guy on the show, which just isn't possible.
In that clip, it became clear that he's talking about how he played a clip of something out of context where someone talks about the SV40 virus being in the polio vaccine.
I found the full 10-minute piece that this came from, which apparently originated years ago on Mike Adams' website, and you can tell from the context that it's a doctor discussing the discovery of SV40.
Which, when presented in a certain way, makes it look a little bit more nefarious than it actually is.
This is a clip of Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who is one of the leading virologists in U.S. history.
Like, he invented so much shit.
The interview that Alex plays out of context is Hilleman discussing how he discovered SV40.
Not that he discovered it in the vaccine.
He literally discovered it when he found that some polio vaccine was contaminated with it in 1960.
It was previously unknown.
Jonas Salk developed the first polio vaccine but he had a bit of a rival in the field.
Yeah, yeah, You had people in iron lungs.
The public was really not into dealing with this crisis any longer.
And ultimately, Salk's strategy won the day and he was successful in making the polio vaccine.
Later, Albert Sabin would produce his own oral vaccine for polio that proved to be very effective.
His vaccine was being tested between 1955 and 1961, during which time Hilleman identified the SV40 virus.
And theorized that it could have a negative effect on people, and ultimately found it in the vaccines, because they were using monkey kidney cells.
The clip Alex plays of Hilleman includes him talking about how he and Sabin joked about how the Russians would have a worse shot at the Olympics due to having a bunch of tumors.
But since that was where the primary testing of Sabin's vaccine was being done, was in Russia.
I kind of would chalk this up to dark humor on the part of Hilleman, and I think it's pretty clear from the context.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
More to the point, Also, because subsequent tests have shown that there isn't a strong causal connection that can be drawn between SV40 and human cancer, they're obviously, they don't know that it does.
He's talking about stuff that happened in the late 50s, these conversations that they were joking around about.
They didn't know.
So to assume that he knew that this was going to cause cancer is absolutely...
Absurd.
jordan holmes
Right.
So the idea is this guy discovers a virus that has heretofore been unknown in the vaccine, did not know what its results or effects would be, simply cataloged it, and then as a bit of dark humor that I imagine a virologist would have to entertain if you're dealing with potential millions of lives being in your hands kind of thing, then he just goes...
I hope the Russians don't get cancer, essentially.
In a jokey manner.
dan friesen
And more to the point, what Alex is describing is not accurate, even to that edited piece he played on his show.
The joke is about the Russians not doing well in the Olympics.
Not that there are too many Russians.
No one says, but we killed Americans too.
And Hilleman doesn't do that gross laugh that Alex is claiming.
Like, he's just creating a supervillain out of this that isn't even fair to the fake source.
Not fake source material, but devoid of context source material.
Also, Jonas Salk has nothing to do with Hilleman's comments.
This was all about Albert Sabin.
And Alex doesn't even know that.
He literally has no idea of the surrounding context of these topics he's covering, but he tries to pass himself off as an expert, and it's embarrassing.
Like, he's saying that this guy, who he can't even remember Hilleman's name, he's like, this doctor guy was talking to Jonas Salk.
It wasn't Salk.
It was Saban.
Like, you don't even know anything.
Like, why should I trust you, Alex, on the grand parts of it if you don't understand the basics?
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, I mean, Smoke bomb!
dan friesen
Right.
Interestingly, this video itself does not ultimately trace back to Mike Adams.
This is clear enough if you actually watch the video, because a man comes on at the end and shames Dr. Hilleman.
He's like, oh, bad medicine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This man is a dude named Leonard Horowitz, and he is a real career dum-dum.
Horowitz is a dude I've started building episodes about and repeatedly lost interest in the middle a couple times.
It's something that I've been meaning to do and I don't give a shit.
He's been on Project Cam a lot, he's been on Alex's show, and he has a real lunatic pedigree.
But he's also pretty boring.
His big claim to fame is his theory that the Rockefellers forced musical artists to use the 440 hertz frequency to make music, which makes people depressed and spreads evil.
Horowitz promotes 528Hz music, which is healing and is linked to the divine creation.
Horowitz claims that John Lennon started to make music using the 528 hertz model, and so the New World Order had him murdered since it would be too powerful and it would ruin their plans.
jordan holmes
I don't like you.
That shouldn't be a claim to fame.
You don't get to...
That shouldn't make you famous, let alone allow you to claim that it makes you famous.
dan friesen
That's horrific.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
Because I'm not sure if we're ever going to actually do an episode about him, I should tell you that in preparation for doing an episode, I decided to only listen to him.
Yeah.
For a week.
jordan holmes
How did it go?
dan friesen
Did nothing.
jordan holmes
Did nothing?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You didn't get healed?
dan friesen
No discernible effect.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
Although I did get tired of hearing wah-wah-wah.
I will say that that was annoying.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fair.
dan friesen
So anyway, that's the guy who edited together this sloppy piece about Dr. Hilleman, devoid of all this context, that was funneled through Natural News and Mike Adams, and now Alex is further embellishing and lying about in order to perpetuate the idea.
They knew there was SV40.
Not so much even that they knew, but they put it in there in order to give people cancer, which just isn't true.
jordan holmes
So we're in the back end of the human centipede of bullshit right here.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just utter garbage.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's no good.
dan friesen
Speaking of garbage, now Mike Adams shows up.
jordan holmes
Right.
That pile of fucking human garbage.
dan friesen
And man, does shit get really severe when he shows up.
He is just like...
We're dead.
jordan holmes
Why is he in a bad mood?
He's a millionaire with nothing to do!
Go fucking home!
dan friesen
Because the...
I'll just lay it out for you.
The reason he's in a bad mood is that there are people on Facebook, people on other platforms that are taking misinformation surrounding this coronavirus outbreak pretty seriously.
And so he's getting some pushback and might have people...
Writing letters to the people who host his servers.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
So he might be in a bit of, like, a pickle about the fact that he's putting out, and has, as a career, put out dangerous misinformation about health issues.
jordan holmes
God, these guys have no idea what consequences look like.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No clue.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They've never had to deal with them before.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
And they don't take well.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, imagine if you've made it through your 40s without ever facing a negative consequence for your actions.
It would come as a bit of a shock.
dan friesen
Yeah, and of course, because it's finally catching up and people are taking what you do seriously, it would tend to feel like, well, this is the big one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
Anyway, the globalists are using a bioweapon.
mike adams
Personally, I've been studying this situation, so I've got a lot for you here.
Let me just get right into it.
Number one, realize that the globalists, They know that the most likely fatalities in their simulations of 65 million people dead will be liberals in cities.
So the globalists are willing to massacre their own leftists, which, by the way, is consistent with that Project Veritas video documenting that Bernie Sanders supporters who said they want to mass-execute liberals.
So understand that any time you release a bioweapon, an engineered virus like this, it's going to impact the cities.
dan friesen
This probably doesn't come up enough, but this clip is a nice reminder of how the word globalist doesn't mean anything.
Or more accurately, it just means people we don't like.
Mike Adams is saying that the globalists released this coronavirus as a bioweapon, which is not something he can in any way prove.
And the result is going to be that a ton of liberals in cities are going to die.
Thus, the globalists are willing to kill their own people.
So liberals in cities are the globalists' own people, then.
I thought that the globalists were an evil cabal that were like multinational business heads bent on world government.
I thought they were the CFR and the Trilateral Commission, not a pro-choice activist in Portland.
You have to understand how this sleight-of-hand trick works.
You start by doing some over-the-top demonization of your shadowy, vague bad guy, and then once that's in place, you can apply that demonization however you want.
Whereas Alex used to pretend that he was above the left-right paradigm, you can pretty clearly see now that that mask has dropped.
And it's clear that the Infowars line is that liberal and urban living equals globalist.
There's not a distinction anymore.
It's just a pejorative term that could be applied to anyone they disagree with as a way of attaching them to the big bad guy demon that they've built up for years.
It's childish shit.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
You don't get to care about me.
They have literally said that we should just murder leftists in the street.
You don't get to suddenly care that I'm going to get fucking killed by my own people in a city.
dan friesen
So sad.
jordan holmes
You don't get to care.
dan friesen
So sad.
jordan holmes
I'll feel bad, but you don't get to judge the globalists for something that you want to do anyways.
dan friesen
So sad.
The globalists will kill you with this bioweapon before we can have our civil war where I murder you.
jordan holmes
I know, right?
What are you talking about?
You don't get to care.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty sad.
jordan holmes
Look at how evil the globalists are.
They want a...
Murder you with disease.
I wanted to shoot you like a good human being would.
dan friesen
It's pretty stupid.
So Mike Adams has some more dumb things to say, but before he gets down to business, because Alex, what he ends up doing is just like, Mike, take over the show.
jordan holmes
I didn't want to be here for the first half hour.
dan friesen
I don't want to be here now.
I'm going to go get a drink or something.
I don't know what he's doing.
But before he lets Mike take over...
He gets real fucking weird.
And I gotta say, the only thing I hear when I hear this clip is I hear Alex saying, I'm pretty sure a bad story is about to come out about me.
alex jones
I have been the subject of deep state attacks that are next level.
And I was asked by the FBI.
And folks with the Central Intelligence Agency, at this point, to not get into this on air.
There's different factions in both groups, obviously.
You heard John Harmon earlier talk about years ago, the head of the Kissinger group, on the phone with me during break saying, join us, world government's good, you're going to be part of the elite, you're already the elite of this.
And then, you know, the Pentagon people doing it over the phone.
I mean, that's just what he's heard on the phone, okay?
On the phone.
You ought to see it behind the scenes.
They basically told me, you stop now or you're dead.
Sure.
And this isn't just like a death threat over the telephone.
It's like, listen, you need to do this.
It's the best thing for your family.
This is the way it is.
Now, the only reason I bring that up is you're going to see incredible lies in the media about me in the next few days.
And it's going to be horrible.
But the good news is nobody buys it like when they planted the child porn on us.
jordan holmes
I can't wait.
alex jones
Folks, I'm not sending child porn to Sandy Hook families.
Give me a break, okay?
Everybody knows that's crap.
But it isn't about Alex Jones.
I'm just a canary down in this coal mine.
dan friesen
It is about you.
jordan holmes
It is entirely about you.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't even know if any story is going to come out, but I hear Alex worried that something...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has some indication that, like, uh-oh.
jordan holmes
This reminds me of...
dan friesen
Maybe he was reached for comment about something.
Some story that someone's working on.
He's like, oh shit.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
This could be the Megyn Kelly situation all over again.
Up until the Megyn Kelly interview, he's like, they might publish all the shit that I said.
That could be bad.
dan friesen
They are only doing this to prepare for my death.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
You can sort of read through the...
The intention there.
And that's to be like, alright guys, look.
There's going to be some bad stuff coming about me.
That's just the CIA.
jordan holmes
You're going to hear some really bad shit about me.
You are going to hear some shit about me that you'd...
Oh boy, is it bad.
And I did all of it and the CIA is telling you.
dan friesen
So Alex is just a canary in the coal mine though.
This is kind of an interesting clip because Alex starts ruminating on canaries and coal mines.
Didn't need to do that.
I don't know.
I think he loses track of the metaphor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
It's very complicated, but...
jordan holmes
Are we going to water the Tree of Liberty with fucking canaries blood now?
dan friesen
No, no, but Alex does get around to being like, we're dead already.
So he's right there with Mike.
jordan holmes
They're doing great.
alex jones
But they have canaries, so when the methane goes up certain high, canaries die before humans do.
Canaries can't handle any gash.
So when a canary falls over, miners get out, okay?
Well...
The canaries are dead right now.
I mean, the equivalent we've gone through most people...
jordan holmes
So we should run?
alex jones
It's like a Star Trek analogy.
Spock's stronger than a human, so he can handle radiation longer, but he's dead already.
And Captain Kirk's trying to go, and they go, you're not saving him, he's dead already.
And I don't say this in a victimology.
I'm proud of what we've done.
But nobody else can handle this.
We knew this was coming.
We built for it.
We've handled a bunch.
But we're dead already, okay?
You just need to understand something.
That the fact that they're doing all of this right now...
Means they're going for broke against the president and everything else, and this is for real.
So, and the coronavirus obviously is a prepared simulant for a cover for other stuff, because they always have something else that's really doing, and they got the virus.
I mean, you can see all the stuff going on, but it means we're now game time.
The ball's been kicked off.
This is it.
It's 2020.
New World Order, toe-to-toe with humanity.
Mike Adams, you take over this segment next.
dan friesen
So he hands it off to Mike.
But, like, the thing that I hear there is, like, shades of Project Camelot.
You know, with the, like, they have this virus, but it's just cover for something else.
I hear, like, Carrie Cassidy saying, yeah, there's these wildfires, but they're not really happening.
It's just because aliens are coming through the portal.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course.
dan friesen
It's the same sort of thinking.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, obviously everybody knows that spider leadership only attacks through coronaviruses, so it's clear they're making their move.
dan friesen
Bingo.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Bingo.
jordan holmes
All I hear is, again, like, it takes...
dan friesen
I'm broke.
jordan holmes
It takes zero to dip these people into nihilism.
Like, it takes zero.
Just, like...
I'm not going to be ultra-wealthy and famous anymore.
dan friesen
We are butt dust.
jordan holmes
We are dead on the inside.
unidentified
All of us disappear into the nothingness.
dan friesen
Canaries, dead one and all.
jordan holmes
I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss is all of us.
dan friesen
But at the same time, you've got to reflect.
Some of the language that he's using is really fucked up.
He's saying it's kicked off.
And in his world...
We've heard many times callers asking, when does this kick off?
When is the time?
And for him to not be aware that this is language that has a meaning specific to his audience and to his listeners, it's at best super irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Oh, we've discovered that the virus is airborne.
Everybody should leave their homes and fire their weapons wildly into the sky.
You'll get it all.
dan friesen
Mike does get close to that.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So anyway, he comes back.
Mike does.
After Alex hands it off to him.
And just, man, he is...
jordan holmes
Spitting wisdom?
dan friesen
What's the opposite of that?
mike adams
All of this coronavirus situation?
This is just the first wave, folks.
The second wave of the pandemic begins when the coronavirus vaccine begins being administered, and we will come to learn that that vaccine contains live virus.
There will be live virus in the coronavirus vaccine, and it will set off a firestorm of the second wave.
This has already been planned, already engineered.
We know the playbook.
dan friesen
No, you don't.
jordan holmes
Why?
Why would they do that?
That's a terrible plan.
That's an awful plan.
dan friesen
Right.
It's a bad plan.
jordan holmes
I want to get better globalists.
I'm pissed off at these globalists.
They're supposed to be representing me, and they're not even doing a good job of killing me in the cities that they're trying to.
dan friesen
Mike is just making this shit up, and what the effect of this language and this rhetoric is, is to make people less trustworthy and less willing to engage with public health.
And that will make it much more difficult for them to help and to contain and treat this emerging public health situation.
I understand that there's probably very little effect that Infowars has anymore, but worst case scenario, the only outcome of this is either neutral...
Or people get hurt.
There is no positive outcome other than Mike selling more shit, more of his supplements and stuff.
jordan holmes
It does make me think about how we're wired wrong for this type of shit.
I would find it hard to believe that we would have this same level of distrust of public health if our coverage of public health was more like...
The World Health Organization once again quashes outbreak before it becomes global issue.
World Health Organization once again cleans up all of this stuff.
UN once again brings massive amounts of aid to all of these people instead of only mentioning them when they fuck up.
dan friesen
That would be interesting.
jordan holmes
It's just how we're wired.
Clickbait is never going to be positive.
You just can't win.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's unfortunate because that has led us to the point where...
I mean, it's over for humanity.
jordan holmes
It is troublesome.
mike adams
It's so nightmarish.
It's so horrific.
It's such a nightmare.
What can we do as a human race?
jordan holmes
Invest in medical technology?
mike adams
It's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
The strategy must now shift.
You can be a survivor.
We can help you survive.
The information here at InfoWars and...
And what I do can help you survive.
I'll give you some practical things in the next segment.
But maybe it's an astonishing statement to hear from me, the health ranger, but it's over for humanity as a whole.
The masses will be slaughtered.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
That is an astonishing thing to hear from the health ranger.
Wow.
unidentified
It is over for humanity as a whole.
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Only you can prevent forest fires, but it's too fucking late, man.
We're all dead.
We're all goddamn dead.
I'm Smokey the Bear bringing you this message.
Run!
Get out of your home!
dan friesen
But you see the trick there, too, even in what he's saying.
The best case scenario is sole survivors.
Oh, what do you know?
I work for a company that sells survival food and bug out shit.
jordan holmes
Everybody else is lying to you.
I'm the only one you can trust.
And it just so happens that the problem I am warning you about is something that I myself have been preparing for.
And hey, how about you share some of this preparedness and it will be $149.99 every month until you die.
dan friesen
Coincidence.
jordan holmes
It is weird.
unidentified
Very strange.
jordan holmes
It is odd.
dan friesen
But man, I gotta say.
jordan holmes
It's helpful.
dan friesen
I gotta say, he keeps repeating that most of humanity is dead.
And I gotta say, he's starting to swing me.
mike adams
I believe it's over for humanity.
I think that humanity is being targeted with so many vectors of destruction that, in my assessment, the bulk of the human race will not survive this.
Now, there can be lone survivors or small groups of survivors, and I think that that's the strategy we have to get to now.
And just the fact that you are tuning into this broadcast means that you are a survivor.
You have a survivor mindset.
jordan holmes
Really?
mike adams
You're not part of the sheeple class that just walks off a cliff because everybody else is doing it in front of you.
dan friesen
This is salesman tactics.
This is explicitly the sort of thing that you learn when you go and try and get a job like with Cutco, the knife sale people.
jordan holmes
I was a salesman for 10 years.
dan friesen
One major sales strategy, I'm sure you'll agree with me, is to make the person seem like they're smart.
jordan holmes
Oh, they're so smart.
dan friesen
Hey, you know, you're not one of the people who wouldn't listen to this sales pitch.
You're already here listening, and that means that you're smart.
You need to survive.
jordan holmes
Hey, when I was working with hearing aids, selling those to people, it was just like, hey, you know what?
Just by coming in and getting your hearing tested, you're already way advanced.
You don't even know what you'll be whenever you get something.
dan friesen
I think there's degrees, because people actually do need hearing aids.
jordan holmes
I know, that is the problem.
It was weird.
I was using sales tactics that are normally used to get people to waste their money on something that would help them.
dan friesen
Like a set of knives.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's very strange.
unidentified
It's weird.
dan friesen
What he's doing is creating this sense of in-group, but the in-group is based on you're going to buy out of shit.
It's so manipulative.
It's very deceitful.
It really undercuts my ability to believe that he believes what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
And it's so over the top.
The massive humanity is done.
Society?
Civilization?
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
jordan holmes
You know, we've only got ten days before everybody's cannibals, too, Dan.
That's the next step.
Can you imagine...
God, imagine if Cormac McCarthy wrote The Road, but the only lone survivors were fucking Infowarriors.
dan friesen
Just Mike Adams.
God.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
He did write that book.
It was called Blood Meridian.
dan friesen
So, you know, in the past, Infowars has been very prone to call different health crises false flags.
jordan holmes
Of course.
This one's not, though.
dan friesen
This one's real.
jordan holmes
Okay.
mike adams
One way that I believe that you know that this is a real pandemic is because the WHO...
So the flaw here in Mike's thinking is that he seems to believe that outbreaks are predictable, when they very much are not.
dan friesen
You could have a plan in place and execute it quite well, and then some random variable could make an outbreak still occur.
You can prepare and do your best to mitigate the damage done by natural phenomena, but the idea he seems to have about the level of control these groups he hates have is absurd.
Mike is also playing fast and loose with the classification of outbreaks used by the World Health Organization.
He wants the audience to think that the higher the number of the stage, the worse things are, but that's not entirely accurate.
The WHO uses a six-phase scale to describe the stage at which we currently find ourselves with a particular disease from a public health standpoint.
Phase 1 is that there's no animal-to-human transmissions.
Phase 2 is when there's a virus that's known to have affected humans circulating in animal populations.
Phase 3 is when there's small clusters of people who have been infected by animals, but human-to-human transmission is uncertain.
Things get a bit more serious in Phase 4, where sustained human-to-human transmission is taking place.
Phase 5 is when confirmed human-to-human transmission has caused the condition to reach at least two countries in one region of the globe.
Phase 6 is, quote, characterized by community-level outbreaks in at least one other country from where it originated.
The avian flu situation met the criteria of Phase 6. The World Health Organization didn't classify it that way to scare people.
It was just an accurate classification.
After this phase, you enter the post-peak period, where activity and transmissions decrease.
Though health organizations keep an eye out for second waves, once things return to normal levels, the post-pandemic period begins.
Monitoring continues and the evaluation of the response that organizations had commences.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
It's more of a cycle.
jordan holmes
more like explaining the fucking water cycle in terms of this is how it goes.
Not like not like phase six means 10 billion people have died in the past week.
dan friesen
And honestly, like from all of my understanding about Where we're at currently with this coronavirus may not reach that level.
And the reason the World Health Organization would be cautious to give the classifications are from lessons learned from past circumstances.
So I don't find anything suspicious about that.
Also, I think Mike is mixing up the bird flu and the swine flu.
In June 2009, the World Health Organization declared a public health emergency internationally about the H1N1 epidemic, and through focused efforts and use of antivirals, we reached the post-peak pandemic phase by November, so within a few months.
This was something that was right to call a pandemic at its peak, since it did kill over 14,000 people in 2009, and the transmission of the virus was fitting of Phase 6 qualifications.
Currently, the Wuhan coronavirus does not appear to meet all the criteria, though if the confirmed facts about the outbreak do end up meeting them in the future, I'm certain that the World Health Organization will classify it thusly.
More importantly, this oppositional position towards public health organizations is very stupid and very dangerous.
It's one thing to be skeptical and to recognize that no human organization is infallible, so it's best to be cautious.
It's an entirely different thing to say that whatever said organization says, the opposite is true.
Particularly when you run a business selling dumb supplements and pseudoscience.
It's completely dangerous.
jordan holmes
It goes back to the gut instinct feel about anti-vaxxers where it's like, you know what?
Fucking fine.
Get polio.
Go for it.
If you're not going to boot and you just can't operate like that.
So with these people so often, it's like...
dan friesen
existence.
unidentified
Yeah, but sometimes...
jordan holmes
Like, we all have to be like, fucking, just come with us.
I know you're stupid, but just go!
dan friesen
You just have to, though.
Yeah, exactly.
And there's a potential for people who are entranced by these narratives, let's say, or they're beholden to them, to recognize that the people who are disseminating these narratives to them are liars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right.
You know, people can be shaken into an understanding of the world through recognizing, like, oh, why am I listening to the Health Ranger?
That kind of thing.
You hope.
And that's my hope.
Anyway, not only was this past pandemic fake, so was Zika.
mike adams
Understand, carefully, when the Zika virus was a made-up virus, I mean, it was a made-up pandemic.
jordan holmes
Do you mean it didn't exist?
mike adams
Just to follow billions of dollars to vaccine companies.
We were told that that was huge.
We were told, I mean, do you remember a couple of years ago?
We were told that babies were going to be born with shrunken heads all across Florida and Louisiana and Mississippi, the hot, humid regions of the southeast United States.
Babies were going to be born with shrunken heads.
You remember those news stories?
That was all over the media because of the Zika virus.
And we all better run out and get Zika vaccines, and we better have emergency Zika vaccine research.
And sure enough, Congress, if I remember correctly, they approved, I think it was $2 billion for Zika virus vaccine research.
unidentified
Yes.
mike adams
Turns out there were no babies born with shrunken heads in Florida.
There's not an epidemic of shrunken-headed babies in Florida.
Never happened.
It was all made up.
dan friesen
with shrunken heads in the South was that in areas where there were Zika outbreaks, particularly in Brazil, they were accompanied by highly increased rates of microcephaly.
The reason the states he lists might have been discussed is because Zika is transmitted by mosquitoes and those states have climates that are far more hospitable to mosquitoes and therefore it would be a higher risk of Yeah.
Anyway, the issue for the U.S. and Zika was that it wasn't as huge of a threat for us, but it was for people around the world.
We have the public health infrastructure to deal with it better, in so much as we have prevalent air conditioning and screened windows, which cut down drastically on the ability of mosquito-carried diseases to spread.
It was proposed that Congress allocate $1.9 billion to Zika, but they ended up actually just funding $1.1 billion.
And a lot of it was aimed at funding local and state agencies to put mosquito control initiatives into place, not all directed towards a vaccine.
And the big picture here is Zika was not a made-up virus.
This is a representation of how Mike Adams doesn't believe that people in developing countries around the world deserve health.
The concerns that people had about how Zika could possibly affect the United States did not come to pass.
But other countries absolutely suffered dire consequences from the virus.
And in that sense, the World Health Organization was absolutely correct to call it an emergency.
He does not give a fuck.
jordan holmes
No, it's a weird solipsistic nationalism where it's like, if it doesn't happen, and not even that, it's like, if I don't get Zika, then they just made it up.
I didn't get Zika.
My kids have a normal-sized head.
They're full of shit.
dan friesen
Also, there was one woman in Hawaii who had been in Brazil at the beginning of her pregnancy who did end up giving birth to a child with microcephaly.
So his claim that there aren't any American...
Well, he said Florida, so technically he gets by on a technicality.
But an incident did happen within the United States.
jordan holmes
It's just...
It doesn't matter.
Borders are nonsense.
It's all stupid.
dan friesen
So, um, he's just talking a lot of shit, um, trying to, like, malign past, uh, disease outbreaks.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In order to make this one real.
jordan holmes
Smallpox didn't happen.
dan friesen
Because you gotta move that survival food.
jordan holmes
The co-creator of the polio vaccine was the creator of the polio virus.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Name it.
dan friesen
So, uh, he gets to talking more about this, and like, look, dude, this is all just an infomercial for the food.
mike adams
The food supplies, and this is a critical issue for all of us to get.
The food supplies are wiped out in those cities because of the quarantine.
And if you are not yet prepared with a backup food supply in the United States and you live in any major city or near a major city, then you're crazy.
dan friesen
This is a crass and disgusting sales pitch, pure and simple.
Mike is claiming that the food is running out in Wuhan because he wants the listener to buy his and Alex's survival food buckets.
That's the game they're playing here.
I can find no evidence that there's a food crisis in Wuhan.
Obviously, there's going to be some sentiment of concern from people under a quarantine about food, but all the articles I can find about this are about how the government understands that this is an issue and are stepping up their deliveries of food to the city.
According to the South China Morning Post, shipments of various food items were coming in from neighboring provinces regularly, and that there is a stockpile of 11 million pounds of rice and 10,000 tons of pork and beef at the ready.
In addition to the regular deliveries of food.
The same article discusses how some residents are stockpiling food, and that does make some sense as a human behavior.
But it also doesn't demonstrate that there's a food crisis, just that people behave that way sometimes.
This is sensationalism aimed at Mike's domestic audience.
He doesn't care at all what people around the world are going through.
I mean, it's clear from his talk about Zika.
He knows that this is an opportunity to heighten his doomsday narratives to sell these food buckets.
That is literally the underlying theme of his sensationalism.
Humanity is done.
There's going to be lone survivors.
Get your food buckets.
jordan holmes
It's that kind of person that is so stupid and so incompetent that they assume that everybody else is more stupid and more incompetent in order to make themselves feel smarter.
So that idea of like...
We're all going to starve to death!
It's like nobody could possibly think ahead for this type of shit.
Nobody but me could ever realize that in this circumstance there might be food worries.
So obviously all of these people have no idea what they're doing and we're all going to die.
Right.
No, I mean people, look, it sucks, but people know.
dan friesen
Now, if you want to look at it from the perspective of how stupid is Mike...
I mean, we could talk about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we could for a while.
mike adams
By the way, years ago, that bleach killed Ebola virus.
jordan holmes
There it is.
mike adams
If you sprayed surfaces with bleach, like a bleach-water mixture, and put it in a spray bottle, you could spray down the surfaces, and it killed Ebola virus.
And then what happened back then?
Well, the media and the government, they said that, oh, don't talk about natural cures for Ebola.
dan friesen
I think Mike Adams is trying to pretend that he didn't post an Ebola cure on his website, Natural News, that involved putting a sample of live Ebola and some booze into a bottle and mixing it up real good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well...
dan friesen
To Mike's credit, he did take that article down from his website.
jordan holmes
That's...
No, no.
I don't give him credit for that.
dan friesen
But it speaks volumes that he ever published it to begin with.
jordan holmes
That it was up.
You don't get credit for taking that down.
dan friesen
Right.
It's not a secret that disinfecting with bleach can kill Ebola.
That's pretty readily available information, and literally no one would criticize Mike for saying that.
They would, however, criticize him heavily for promoting a cure that would almost certainly infect anyone who attempted to use it with Ebola.
So he's trying to repurpose that criticism that people had of him and to be like, they said that it's stupid to use bleach.
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of Dylan Morin in Black Books.
Whenever he's losing his mind, he just grabs some oven cleaner while he's sick, and he's like, if you can clean an oven, you can clean me, and he drinks it.
Like, yeah, you're stupid.
Stop it.
dan friesen
So Mike's got this real fucked up view of what's going on in the world, what's gonna happen.
Who you should trust.
jordan holmes
I assume it's World Health Organization officials who are trying their best to contain the outbreak and assist in any way.
dan friesen
No, he has a different view.
But I think he does recognize that the climate that we're living in now with people taking propaganda and these bad actors more seriously, it's going to lead to some backlash.
And so he frames that preemptively as censorship.
mike adams
When this pandemic gets large in the United States, there will be takedown orders and censorship orders to take offline and ban any account of anybody who talks about a natural cure for coronavirus.
Why is that?
Why will that be happening?
Because they can't have people curing themselves.
They can't allow people to survive the onslaught.
They, the globalists who engineered this, who funded it, who ran the laboratories, they want to kill as many people as possible.
dan friesen
You can't prove any of that shit.
And you posted a fucking Ebola cure on your website.
So get the fuck out of here.
Like, it's an issue of you're going to get people killed if you behave in the ways that, like, let's say you did surrounding the Ebola.
Like, let's say there is a possibility that someone could have gotten their hands on some live Ebola to prepare the cure that Mike posted on his website.
That would almost certainly spread out.
unidentified
Ebola, quite far.
dan friesen
I understand there's issues with free speech and what have you, but I also recognize that people who are acting in ways that are specifically going to further a public health crisis I might be fine with, let's say, Facebook deciding we don't want this on the platform.
jordan holmes
Dan, it's censorship.
They don't want people healing themselves naturally.
Like, whenever I say that the cure for this coronavirus is finding an airborne sample of smallpox and injecting it directly into your bloodstream and then spitting and sneezing on everyone around you.
They're going to take that down, Dan.
And it's my right as an American to say that.
dan friesen
The government doing it, I think, opens up another box.
I have no evidence that the government is doing it, so I don't even care to have that conversation.
It would be a little bit different, but if these platforms are just like, go fuck yourself, you're putting people at risk, then I think they're well within their right to do that, and I support their decision.
So, anyway, this isn't all just about killing people with this coronavirus.
It's also about training.
mike adams
Well, we know that part of the agenda here is indoctrination training and also quarantine training.
So whether or not this is the big kill virus or some other future virus is still unknown.
The death rate, fatality rate from this virus is not yet high enough to kill a billion people, but it could kill tens of millions as projected in the software.
But it will most certainly provide the precedent for a total police state lockdown of the United States and every major city in America.
dan friesen
Like, say whatever you want about how China's responded to the outbreak.
It's kind of irrelevant to the point Mike is making here.
You could say that their lockdown of Wuhan is shocking and a police state, and I'm not going to argue with you.
It's also China.
Mike is making the argument that the U.S. will use this outbreak to set the stage to enact martial law, but this raises the question, why didn't they do this after other outbreaks?
In the mid-1980s, there was a giant measles outbreak.
That didn't lead to martial law.
Instead, it led to greater public health practices.
The polio crisis of the early 1900s didn't lead to martial law.
Diphtheria killed around 15,000 people in the U.S. between 1921 and 1925, and that didn't lead to martial law.
Some estimates claimed that as many as 57 million Americans caught swine flu in 2009, and that didn't lead to martial law.
There were over 5,000 confirmed U.S. cases of Zika in 2016, and that didn't lead to martial law.
jordan holmes
Dan, they are a decade behind, Dan.
They wanted to do it.
Some of those are from the 20s.
No, that's what I'm saying.
The swine flu, that was 2009.
They were a decade behind.
They wanted to use it to do martial law.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
But now, finally, in 2020, they're ready.
dan friesen
Oh, great.
jordan holmes
It's obvious.
dan friesen
Oh, cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
God, I hate his walking back ass cowardly.
Well, I mean, I know I said that all of humanity is over, but it might not kill billions.
It could just kill millions.
But they're going to do this in practice for the next one.
It's like, fuck you!
dan friesen
The public health systems that we have in place are very competent and due to exercise, like the one carried out by the Center of Health Safety at Johns Hopkins.
They consider complicated response variables to better enable them to react to changing situations fluidly.
The editorial position of InfoWars is that everything is a conspiracy, and the ultimate end goal of everything is to get to martial law.
Because that has to be the end point of their theories, they often have to say completely stupid shit like this in order to work in that direction.
Honestly, the only thing that makes me at all worried that there could be some elements of martial law pop up in response to this outbreak is that Trump is president, and they fully support Trump.
He's the sort of president who doesn't trust science or experts, so it would be easy to imagine him overreacting and quarantining a U.S. city.
But to be totally clear, I do not even think that that is a likely series of events.
jordan holmes
No.
Nope.
He can block travel because of religion and race, but not disease.
That would be crazy.
dan friesen
Also, Mike did a little weasel trick there.
He said that the software projections say that this could kill tens of millions.
He's referring to the Center for Health Safety exercise, which was not simulating the situation that's currently unfolding.
It was just using a hypothetical coronavirus outbreak as the context for the discussion.
The actual variables are very different, from the specific characteristics of the virus to the context of its origin, that it's wildly irresponsible to pretend that the simulation has any predictive value in the real-world situation.
Mike is pretending that this is the case because he wants the audience to believe that the simulation was exactly like this actual situation because the globalists planned it all out.
That is deception.
He is deceiving.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
God, he's the worst.
dan friesen
He's just the fucking worst.
Yeah, he's terrible.
So we'll get to a refreshing guest a little bit later, after we get through the bog that is Mike Adams.
jordan holmes
Oh, I hate him.
dan friesen
But he's done sort of hosting on his own now, and Alex shows back up, and he wants to stress that we don't make things up.
Chicken vaccine?
jordan holmes
Did he just have a call with somebody who was like, you guys gotta stop making shit up?
dan friesen
Maybe.
alex jones
We don't just sit here and make up stuff that comes true.
We know it's all formulaic with them.
And, again, it's like they're aliens that want to sabotage human development.
They poison everything.
They kill the Earth while saying they support it.
They sabotage all clean human development.
Like a pack of gremlins.
Whatever they are, whatever these globalists are, they're just super bad.
But the thing is, they work in coordination because they're getting a transmission, Mike.
Just as a scientist as you are, I just scientifically look at the equations and it's like, this is an anti-human force, like you said.
What do you call them?
They're the anti-humans.
Whatever you want to call globalists, they call themselves humanists, you notice, but they're not.
They're the opposite.
unidentified
What are these equations?
jordan holmes
All I heard was...
dan friesen
I like the idea that Alex is saying, like, I don't make things up.
And then he goes on to talk about equations that he's made up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, he's just looked at the equations.
dan friesen
I'm a scientist looking at made-up equations.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Hey, man, they don't even know if the standard model's true, Dan.
All equations are made up.
At the quantum level, Alex is right all the time.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, these people are bad news, man.
These globalists.
Big news.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's talking about how, like, hey, man, you know, they're planning.
What they're going to do is they're going to wait this out in their redoubts, their armored redoubts.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But he has bad news for them.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Every person I talk to who's talked to everybody else says, who?
The globalists already have armored redoubts in New Zealand, Kauai, Hawaii, and Tasmania, Australia.
They believe it'll be like a year-long global war.
They want to stop nukes.
They're going to have special forces go in to take over the nuke bases in Pakistan, everywhere.
They've got global elites have a deal, like a moonraker, how they're going to eliminate everybody.
Sure.
unidentified
How they're going to stabilize nuclear power plant steering.
alex jones
I've talked to the people.
The fact is, the minute all these people are in some redoubt...
And there'll even be a combat robot there and drones watching.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
You've got to have a combat robot.
alex jones
The troops aren't dumb.
They get it.
The minute, just like a soldier or an officer gives an order to kill men, women, and children, the soldiers turn their guns.
The default by the human resistance, because the computers didn't get put...
What I'm saying, folks, is the biggest secret ever.
Now the military human element realizes they're being replaced and the default without any orders coming down is they're going to kill all the globalists the minute they kick this off.
And that's not a bluff or a threat.
I mean, we're going to have 90% decapitation within days of them pulling this off, Mike.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, in this context, should a shadowy group of elites Have engineered the end of the human race and have built redoubts with combat robots.
I thoroughly support 90% decapitation.
Unfortunately, I don't think that's true.
But should these exact circumstances arise, I'm disappointed that we're not at 100%.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So Alex does a wrestling promo.
jordan holmes
Sure, to stop the redoubts, yeah.
alex jones
I know you talk to a lot of the same people.
The military and everybody gets that the Skynet takeover is real, but it's incremental.
And that it didn't happen like it was supposed to.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're even name checking Skynet.
alex jones
And now it's happening.
And the humans are guarding the globalists.
So if the globalists ever try this plan, they're all dead.
Checkmate!
On my soul!
You're all dead, globalists!
You're dead!
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
On one level, Alex is a child living in a bizarre fantasy world full of espionage and ins and outs.
And to that extent, this is the sort of rhetoric you should just ignore and move along.
More than anything else, it's just another example of his big boy violence fantasies.
However, there's a real danger to this kind of thing, particularly in times of elevated anxieties, like you might find at the beginning of uncertain stages of a virus outbreak.
The reality is that these outbreaks happen.
It's inescapable in the modern world.
jordan holmes
However, Alex is inescapable in the non-modern world.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we're not living in the ancient world.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Let's discuss that.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
However, Alex has painted this coronavirus as a bioweapon attack by the globalists, which they're hoping they can wade out in their armored redoubts.
But if they try this, the human spirit is activated and the good guys are going to kill them all.
jordan holmes
Right.
So then we just all of us are dead.
dan friesen
Here's why this is dangerous.
The coronavirus is not a bioweapon being deployed by the globalists.
However, there is a possibility that things will get worse before they get better.
As tensions rise and Alex and Mike whip the audience into a frenzy saying shit like it's over for humanity, the odds of one of his listeners taking him seriously might rise.
The definition of who is a globalist is completely arbitrary at this point, but you have the major figures Alex yells about all the time, ranging from the Clintons to Soros to Brian Stelter.
As the natural progression of the coronavirus plays out, Alex runs a very serious risk of his rhetoric being understood by the more unhinged in his audience to go ahead and kill people he's labeled as the enemies of humanity.
Alex has set a condition for when these people are to be killed, which is super vague.
He says when they try to kick this off.
But what the fuck does that mean?
There are already tons of cases of coronavirus in a number of countries, and Alex has literally said earlier in this same episode that the ball had been kicked off.
So that seems to imply that the time has already come.
This game Alex is playing is profoundly dangerous.
It very well may be that his audience is too small and disengaged at this point, where there isn't anyone listening who will take him up on what he's advocating.
But to me, that's a secondary point.
He's more or less riling up his audience to kill his imagined enemies.
The way I hear this is just Alex being clear that he's on his last legs.
He isn't bringing in any money.
Anyone who's getting radicalized into conspiracy theory shit, there's way too many free options of the same kind of content he's providing.
So there's no real prospect of him growing in the future.
He's hitched his wagon to a president who's impeached and who just loosened restrictions on the chemical Alex has been yelling about for a decade.
So that's kind of embarrassing.
His once remarkable conspiracy kingdom is dust.
And his anger and resentment about it is being expressed by a sharp increase in the violent rhetoric towards his imagined enemies and blunt conversations about their murder, which is not surprising.
I think people should be...
I think it's worth taking at least a little seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it is kind of dangerous when people who've spent their entire lives propagandizing projections of basically themselves onto imaginary figures, when they start...
Projecting the end of the world because their own careers aren't going so well.
dan friesen
Boy, it is interesting.
jordan holmes
It does seem like the world ending is so closely tied to Alex's world being irrevocably changed.
dan friesen
Probably a coincidence.
jordan holmes
I think you're right.
That is a coincidence.
dan friesen
Anyway, Mike's got one last thing to say before he shuffles on down the road to tend to his llamas or whatever the fuck he does.
jordan holmes
I am a cancer!
dan friesen
No, it's actually not anything to do with health issues.
But, man, listen to this bullshit.
mike adams
Last thing to mention, you know, this big explosion in Houston, this chemical plant exploded.
Entire neighborhoods have been destroyed.
The police are telling people to look for body parts up to a mile away, okay?
Look, we talked about sleeper cells being activated.
I don't know if that's what this is, but this could be payback for the Soleimani strike.
This could be...
No.
Radical extremists, sleeper cells activating.
We need to see if that's the case.
But Houston was one of the key targets, so it may be happening.
We need to research further.
alex jones
Well, there's no doubt that that's a target, and we should cover that.
All right.
dan friesen
What the fuck, man?
jordan holmes
That's dangerously insane.
That is an insane person.
That is crazy.
dan friesen
He has no reason.
jordan holmes
That is insane.
dan friesen
This was Friday.
That explosion happened on Friday.
He has no reason to suspect that Iran is involved or it's payback for Soleimani or sleeper cells.
There is no reason to suspect that.
He has nothing to go on.
This is purely his imagination.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
Mike is making this up as something like, hey, it's a possibility.
Now, granted, he's saying, we've got to research this further.
But when I hear that, all I hear is like, hey, Alex, what do you think about this narrative?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's pitching him.
It's like Shark Tank.
That's totally it.
jordan holmes
It could be, because at that point, just say anything.
That's irresponsible.
Sandy Hook was sleeper cells by Iran.
Preemptively fighting us back for Soleimani.
dan friesen
Irresponsible.
jordan holmes
That's terrible.
dan friesen
Now.
We get a guest.
jordan holmes
What's up?
dan friesen
Now that Mike Adams is gone, we have a guest who we have not heard hide nor hair of.
jordan holmes
Leo Zagami?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Ah, damn it.
dan friesen
He's been on more recently than this guy.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I'll tell you a couple things about him.
He likes to hide in bushes.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's back!
alex jones
All right, well, joining us down, I appreciate him holding as we got behind here.
It's John Rappaport, great patriot filmmaker.
jordan holmes
Hang up that fucking picture.
alex jones
Investigative journalist.
NoMoreFakeNews.com.
dan friesen
Rappaport still lives.
jordan holmes
Rappaport still lives.
I will be goddamned.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if he's still following us on Twitter.
unidentified
I wish.
dan friesen
He has a new setup.
The picture is no longer sitting there, but I don't know if it's hanging up.
It's a different angle.
Might be a different room than he's in.
So it's unclear.
I'm very unsatisfied.
jordan holmes
I just want...
Look, I...
We know that there's some knowledge of us, but the only thing that I want to come of that is just for John Rappaport to finally hang up that fucking picture.
dan friesen
He might have.
jordan holmes
If he does and he announces it or says something on his show, God, that would give me so much joy.
dan friesen
It's been a very long time since we've seen John Rappaport on the show.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
dan friesen
Also known as Batman.
He is a fucking...
Like, insane medical denialist.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He's a lunatic.
Every single day.
So when there is a pandemic-type mood, when there's an outbreak situation, of course you'd go call up John Rappaport of nomorefakenews.com.
Now, what's interesting is there's two things that are interesting.
The first thing is the John Skype, I don't know what's going on.
It doesn't seem to be working.
But the second thing is that this interview is very not much about the virus.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course.
dan friesen
It takes on a bit.
jordan holmes
It's about school lunches?
dan friesen
Nope.
It's about Alex needing John Rappaport to reassure him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I have had a theory for quite a while, and I've brought this up on the show, that I think that John Rappaport has hypnotized Alex.
Yeah.
I think he uses neuro-linguistic programming and has Alex in some sort of a weird state where whenever he comes on, Alex gets into a fucked up mood.
jordan holmes
It's like when you flip a shark over.
dan friesen
Alex starts getting real emotional and starts talking about, like, let's talk about the spiritual dimension on Lapacore.
This guy is like an AIDS denialist who just writes all this bullshit about fake science.
Why are you asking about spiritual shit?
Anyway, it's a very weird interview.
jordan holmes
Look at him.
He's creepy Gandalf.
dan friesen
But from the beginning, it does not work out because, like I said, Rappaport's Skype isn't working.
And so you'll hear in this clip, Alex tries to ask him a question.
It doesn't work.
And then Rappaport just starts vamping.
alex jones
The Gestalt Prime computation.
Where are we right now?
We're the globalists.
john rappaport
Alex, I can't hear you.
alex jones
All right.
Well, we're doing some board training today.
I'm not sure why we're doing my show, but only my show.
I'm asking you where we are as a culture and a species, John Rappaport.
john rappaport
On the break, I was thinking about what we were talking about.
Two things.
One is, they want to try to push you into doing something that you would never do.
dan friesen
That is not an answer to the question that was asked.
jordan holmes
I think it's a great answer.
dan friesen
I think that is clearly John Rappaport being like, well, I better just talk about something.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like John Rappaport's willingness to just jump in there.
Can you imagine how many other guests would have just been like, Alex?
dan friesen
I had that exact thought.
Like, Rappaport was like, well, I better just start saying something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
He starts rambling a bit, and this leads into a conversation about how the globalists, what they do is they trick you into thinking that all good is evil and all evil is good.
jordan holmes
God, they're so good at that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
john rappaport
We're going to show you the opposite of everything the way it actually is and convince you that this is so.
So everything you thought was good actually turns out to be evil, and everything you thought was evil actually turns out to be good.
What do you know about that?
This is now the brave new world, and isn't it wonderful?
dan friesen
This is college dorm level shit.
Like, rap ports out here trying to blow people's minds, saying the globalists tell you everything good is bad and everything bad is good to invert things.
Everything you've been told is true.
It is true, but the reverse.
Wake up!
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So it's kind of like if you spent all of your time screaming about this chemical and how it's going to destroy you, and the government then says, no, actually it's good for more of it.
Is that everything evil is bad?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Whenever I hear this sort of mentality, I always think, isn't that a loser's game?
Because if I'm trying to get you on my team, and I'm like, hey man, freak out.
Everything you've been told is not true.
Everything?
jordan holmes
Literally everything.
dan friesen
The reverse is true.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
Now, if I were to try and pitch this to you, and you take it and like...
john rappaport
You know what?
dan friesen
Things I have been lied to.
Wouldn't that make you more prone to question me?
You know, like, wouldn't it?
jordan holmes
Well, because I think my next question would be, okay, so everything is inverted?
Everything bad is good?
Okay, so how about murder?
Is that good?
dan friesen
Well, see, now that is a problem.
jordan holmes
Okay, so, okay, then how about...
How about the taste of oranges?
Are those still sour or are those sweet?
dan friesen
No, you've got to take the tastebud LSD.
jordan holmes
Okay, shit!
dan friesen
That shows you the truth.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
That's the other thing, too.
Obviously, it's not a blanket everything.
What you're doing is you're trying to use this as a rhetorical device to shake people out of their slumber.
And what you have to do then is really quickly get them to take your worldview.
Because the longer that...
jordan holmes
like wait that's bullshit too so it's okay so you're telling me that there's been a massive conspiracy that has lied to me my entire life and everything that I believe is actually the inverse and you are telling me this why would I believe you it's a means by which like you can maybe create an opening that you can get people in sure But it's not accurate.
But you've got to do it immediately.
Why would I believe you?
Because I have your best interests.
Well, they say that they have my best interests.
Yeah, but you can believe me because you have to cut in there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in the middle of this interview with Rapapar, Alex gets an update from Norm Pattis about Owen Schroyer's legal situation.
And I only keep this in because it ends funny.
So our first set of tasks...
norm pattis
He did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, do it.
dan friesen
And he won't do that.
jordan holmes
Fucking do it.
dan friesen
Because let me be clear.
You know what else would have come out in that trial is that he was arrested because he was advertising on Capitol grounds.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And, you know, that's a topic that he'll have to decide and whether that's worth doing is...
alex jones
Well, I was going to say this.
It's where the InfoWars audience...
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unidentified
Stay with us.
dan friesen
Give me your money, and I will pull off embarrassing and impotent public...
Spectacles.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That are set to advertise my shit to begin with.
jordan holmes
I would like a better return on investment.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not great.
So we get back to Rappaport and Alex talking, and there's a little bit of talk about medical stuff, but it's really just like anti-vax nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
And it's not your run-of-the-mill anti-vax stuff either, because John Rappaport's a weirdo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we got Rappaport in here.
We're not just going with they're going to kill you.
They're going to turn you into a fucking unicorn.
dan friesen
They're satanic.
john rappaport
What is the struggle all about?
I'm talking about vaccines, of course, and vaccinations and destroying the health of the body.
alex jones
Outside groups saying, you must let us put something in you when we already have all our ancestors and what we are together.
dan friesen
What?
john rappaport
Exactly.
You know, what do you think the history of the human race is all about?
It's about survival.
alex jones
It's about men and women choosing each other, injecting each other, and creating a life form.
How satanic is some company shooting something into you to change your genetics?
And we're just supposed to trust them.
That's Satanism.
dan friesen
It's Satanism to get shots, I guess.
jordan holmes
This is a family show.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I mean, is Alex one of these guys who thinks all medicine is evil then?
jordan holmes
I think that has to be it.
dan friesen
Because there are just some things that, like, you don't have the antibodies to fight.
You don't.
And if you don't have those, they can kill you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, then you should die.
dan friesen
Is that what he's saying?
jordan holmes
I guess so.
dan friesen
Because that's messed up.
jordan holmes
I mean, isn't that kind of...
Anytime somebody's like, the story of the human race or history is survival.
That's somebody who's signaling the people who didn't survive deserved not to survive.
dan friesen
Can I be clear, though?
They don't believe in, like, survival of the fittest, evolution.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, absolutely not.
dan friesen
So I don't know what they're saying.
jordan holmes
I think they believe in survival of the fittest so long as it doesn't involve evolution.
They just want the bad ones out, I guess.
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
If you're susceptible to disease, then you should have been dead anyway.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Only the genetically perfect should survive.
dan friesen
But they're saying that all humans are genetically perfect.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
This perspective is strange.
jordan holmes
It would be hard to defend in a PhD kind of setting.
dan friesen
Totally.
And I started to think about, like, why is this the mentality that they have?
And then Rappaport starts talking, and I realize, like, ah, that might be why.
alex jones
You have been a pioneer in warning about vaccines.
jordan holmes
Is that a thing you can be?
john rappaport
Yeah, because it started for me in college, actually.
1957-58.
I was in college and all of a sudden this thing came down the pipeline called the Asian flu one winter.
I had no idea what they were talking about.
Everybody's got to get a vaccine.
Everybody's got to get a vaccine.
Otherwise people are going to get sick.
And I thought to myself, I'm not getting any vaccine.
I'm not going to get sick.
Are they crazy?
What are they talking about?
I mean, I don't know why I reacted that way.
I didn't get sick.
jordan holmes
That's not good enough.
john rappaport
Other people got sick.
And I started to develop this feeling.
These medical people are doing something violent, strange, perverted, and they're trying to make it sound as normal as possible.
alex jones
And it's covert.
john rappaport
And it's completely covert.
dan friesen
You are very weird, John Rappaport.
You know what I just realized, too?
That if he was in college in 1957, he's 80 years old.
jordan holmes
He's a very old man.
dan friesen
I didn't realize he was that old.
jordan holmes
How did you not realize?
That is true.
He still has some salt and pepper there.
dan friesen
Not much.
It's mostly gray.
I don't know.
I have a very hard time gauging people's ages, just generally speaking.
jordan holmes
I mean, good on you.
Maybe that's what's on that picture.
That's some Dorian Gray type shit right there.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Incidentally, Jordan, I should tell you that the flu of 1957 that he's talking about, the Asian flu, had killed between one and two million people worldwide.
It was a very serious situation.
By the summer of 1957, it had reached the United States, and in March 1958, an estimated 69,800 people had been killed by it in America.
Rappaport decided not to get a vaccine, and he got lucky that he didn't catch that flu, but his experience holds exactly zero importance in terms of science.
This is his backstory that he's presenting when he's called a leader in the field of denying vaccines.
He was a dumb-dumb in college who didn't want to get a vaccine.
He didn't catch the flu, and other people did.
That's not how science works.
That's a really bad style of thinking to hear from someone pretending to be involved in the field of science.
This is how a dumb, dumb undergraduate who thinks they're already a genius thinks, not somebody who studied the actual subjects.
All of these guys, Alex, Rappaport, Mike Adams, you scratch beneath the surface on them just a little bit.
jordan holmes
One time my uncle got sick.
dan friesen
But even beyond that, you see these trends of completely unwarranted and unearned oppositional defiance.
For no reason.
Rappaport didn't want to get a vaccine.
It worked out for him.
And now everything the man says is opposite.
It's all opposite.
Mike Adams is out there telling everyone that the opposite of what the World Health Organization says is the truth is true all the time.
These aren't experts breaking down secret wisdom.
They're children who haven't yet grown out of throwing tantrums.
This is very clear.
jordan holmes
You can't...
Isn't that the fundamental misunderstanding they have of science?
And they're like, no, science is all about skepticism and all that stuff.
And it's like, yeah, but it's not about skepticism because you know a guy who one thing happened to one time or because you personally didn't get a vaccine one time and you turned out fine.
dan friesen
And skepticism isn't confirming the opposite.
It's not just automatically assuming that whatever is said to you is a lie.
That's equally stupid.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
You can't...
Somebody would say that out loud and not bother to lie a better lie is bananas to me.
You've got to have something better than one time I didn't get sick.
So obviously all vaccines are lies.
dan friesen
Stay in the damn bushes, Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Jesus, no kidding.
dan friesen
So now, at this point, things get weird.
alex jones
All right, John Rappaport, nomoretechnews.com, is here with us in defiance of tyranny.
John, let's get metaphysical here in the next two segments before the next show takes over.
What is spiritually happening?
Let's go down the rabbit hole from your deep research.
You're a great investigative journalist for decades.
jordan holmes
You're a great investigative journalist for decades.
dan friesen
Let's get metaphysical.
jordan holmes
Hey, Woodward, I know you did some great investigative journalism, but I want to talk to you about spirituality for a little bit.
dan friesen
How's your fucking soul?
So, Rapport starts complaining about Hollywood.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
dan friesen
This clip is so funny.
It's just him complaining about Hollywood.
Alex's response is so fucking stupid.
john rappaport
Look how many cowards there are in Hollywood who would appear on the screen to be the greatest superheroes in the world and so on.
But then you approach them on an issue and you say, well, what do you think about this?
Don't you realize that's evil?
jordan holmes
They're actors!
john rappaport
I can't say anything.
Why can't you say anything about it?
Because then I'm going to lose my position.
I'll never get work in this town again.
Yeah, so?
dan friesen
Who is he talking to in Hollywood?
jordan holmes
Who are you talking to?
dan friesen
No one.
john rappaport
So what?
jordan holmes
What is Robert Downey Jr. talking to you?
john rappaport
And of course they have no answer for that, but the answer is drugs, lowering their own consciousness, pretending they're somebody else.
It's acting!
alex jones
Becoming robots.
john rappaport
Becoming robots.
Hanging out with other people who are robots.
And then when you get that multiplied out enough times, you have, for example, I don't know, a million people in the country or the territory.
jordan holmes
The territory?
alex jones
Expand the circle.
jordan holmes
Are you that old?
john rappaport
Expand the circle.
It just keeps on going.
We're all together because I'm looking at you and you're looking at me and we both know that we're complicit.
unidentified
And that's a cult.
john rappaport
It could be gigantic.
It could be 100 million people and so on.
unidentified
So, you know, it could be more.
john rappaport
Or it could be five people, but it's the same principle.
alex jones
We've now reached...
I'm not just saying this.
Stay there, John.
We've reached the high plateau here.
This is what it's all about.
You're going to serve somebody like Bob Dylan said.
Really, who are you going to serve, folks?
Who are you going to serve?
What cult are you going to join?
You're going to join a cult.
Be advised that there are cults to join.
What?
dan friesen
And just trails off.
Also, rebuttal, no you don't.
You gotta join a cult.
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope, pass.
dan friesen
Yeah, you don't.
unidentified
Yeah, you gotta join a cult, so you might as well join my dumb Americana Patriot cult.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
You look at these guys on the screen, and they're superheroes throwing hammers all over the place, and then you talk to Chris Hemsworth in real life, and he doesn't want to say shit about...
Fucking Second Amendment hammer rights.
Right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right, buddy.
You're very smart.
dan friesen
This is the high spiritual plateau.
jordan holmes
This is where we...
You see so many people in Hollywood.
They don't even...
unidentified
Robots.
jordan holmes
They say somebody else's words.
Robots.
Lunatics.
dan friesen
Robots.
Rappaport, we have reached rarefied air.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
We have reached this plateau of wisdom.
This is what it's all about, Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Two old men.
I don't understand the world.
dan friesen
He has Alex hypnotized.
This is so weird.
Why would you be having this conversation with your medical expert in the middle of a virus outbreak?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Anyway, they start talking about the devil.
alex jones
This is a secret to it all, in my view.
The devil, the system, tells you you could be powerful.
You could be amazing.
You could have all these dreams.
It puts a mirror in front of your face.
That interdimensionally looks back through your entire potential and forward.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
It shows you your soul and says, I will give you your soul if you follow me.
When that great vision it's giving you is the potential you already have that if you give it to Satan, you lose.
You're already made in the image of God.
You're already divine in God's will.
You already have all this potential.
And it's tricking you to give it power to control you because you believe.
That it's given you that vision and that power when God made you that way.
Didn't give it to you, it made you.
You're free will.
You're made.
Like, you're there.
You're a made man, you're a made woman, and they're trying to steal that power.
And that's the most frustrating thing, is watching people shine away their birthright and everything they've got to these midget gremlins that are older than us, and they're there and placing themselves in front of our vision.
unidentified
Exactly.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
You've got to be trained real well to listen to that and say, exactly.
You've got to have that just fucking loaded in your back pocket.
dan friesen
Has Rappaport studied that?
I don't know what research this medical science expert is doing to come down on devil mirror strategies.
jordan holmes
I'm always amazed.
At just how the devil and God both seem to be exactly as stupid as one Alex Jones.
They never seem to be beyond his intelligence.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
It's strange.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
I always assumed God would be ineffable and unknowable on account of...
john rappaport
Nope.
jordan holmes
Creating universes.
dan friesen
God loves Texas.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So there's a trend that I see throughout a lot of John Rappaport appearances, and I've talked about this in the past, and that is that Alex often seems to have breakdowns whenever Rappaport's on.
He needs therapy from Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he lowers his guard.
dan friesen
Alex can't get himself to go talk to somebody, but he desperately needs help.
And somehow Rappaport is like the outlet for it.
jordan holmes
I think it has to do with...
I mean, it's funny to call him Creepy Gandalf.
But that would be the reason that Alex would go to him is because he looks like a wizard.
He'd be like, well, oh, obviously this guy looks like fucking Gandalf.
dan friesen
Right, and he's doing some kind of a mind melt on him.
It's like making Alex feel better whenever he talks to Rappaport.
So this clip, I just feel like this is like an excerpt from therapy.
alex jones
God is free will, so how do you open yourself up to God, but not to bad stuff, and just say, because if people open yourself up to God, I can instantly just connect to it.
I'm going to be arrogant here on air and do it, but the point is, I can instantly be in that place the most high that David talks about in the Psalms.
How do people begin that journey?
I guess not going to a fake church that knows they're seeking God and sucks them in.
How do you do that?
john rappaport
I think you recognize that you're you.
You're an individual.
You're not existing by virtue of the fact that you're hooked up to other things and people and so forth.
That's not the source of your existence.
alex jones
Exactly.
You don't need Facebook, Goldman Sachs.
You need you.
john rappaport
You need you.
If you start there, you're gonna go on the path.
dan friesen
See, what's going on is Alex comes in with this weird question about, like, how do you let God in without letting all this other stuff in?
Rappaport takes that question and refocuses it towards it being about individualism.
You need you.
And Alex takes something from it, and then Rappaport reaffirms it.
This is very similar to how, like, a conversation with a therapist would go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this reminds me...
dan friesen
It's ignoring that weird bullshit.
Putting it in terms that are almost usable.
Almost.
And then being like, yes, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yes!
It reminds me more of hearing about somebody else's therapy.
Rappaport is giving Alex advice that his therapist just gave him a little bit ago.
This reminds me of so many conversations with entertainers who've been through a fucking...
Crisis.
And they're like, well, you know, I just realized I need to refocus on me.
dan friesen
But Alex still needs that.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
He has no idea.
It's not annoying.
Well, it's annoying to me.
jordan holmes
It is as well to me.
dan friesen
And it's certainly not a show.
And it's not an interview.
He's supposed to be a medical expert.
They're talking about what God shit and the devil's mirror.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Why are you doing this?
jordan holmes
Right, right.
unidentified
Isn't humanity over?
jordan holmes
I forgot about that part.
I've already forgotten that we're post-human.
dan friesen
The tone is just completely reckless.
Anyway, we have one last clip, and it's just like, I just feel like this is indicative of some sort of a brain control Rappaport has on Alex.
alex jones
John Rappaport, you've got to come on more than once every six months.
Please come back on next week.
We love you.
NoMoreFakeNews.com.
You're a beautiful soul.
We love you, John.
We love John Rappaport.
Thank you so much.
john rappaport
Thank you, Alex.
Thank you so much.
unidentified
I've never heard him be so effusive with praise and love.
jordan holmes
We love you.
We love you, John.
I love you so much, John.
I love you so goddamn much, John.
If it weren't for you, I'd be a drift in this empty world.
dan friesen
I've never heard Alex say goodbye to a guest like that.
There's some sort of a connection between Alex and John Rappaport that is like...
It's otherworldly.
jordan holmes
John, sometimes I just don't want to be one of the lone survivors.
Humanity's over, but I just don't.
Maybe I should die with it.
unidentified
So what it comes down to, Alex, is individualism.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You're right.
There is only one in Lone Survivor.
dan friesen
Oh my god, I love you, John.
john rappaport
So weird.
dan friesen
On the one hand, it's nice to see Rappaport again.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's nice to see anybody making a positive impact in Alex's life.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's positive.
unidentified
I don't think it's positive.
dan friesen
It's really weird because I remember that being something that I'd theorize.
There is some sort of a weird connection between these two and interviews do sometimes tend to veer towards Alex needing help and Rappaport being there to help him.
And I also think he's hypnotizing him.
But there is...
Just, it's so weird.
This episode is just so weird.
Like, there's more lies and hoaxes about the coronavirus.
There's Mike Adams declaring the end of humanity.
jordan holmes
Right, he did do that.
dan friesen
John goddamn Rappaport getting weird.
It's so fucked up.
jordan holmes
I think John has become the emotional center of InfoWars.
I'm just going to go out and say it.
Mike Adams is too apocalyptic.
Alex is too obsessed with God.
But John Rappaport is there for the individualism monologue.
dan friesen
Yeah, but also...
It makes sense that he's the heart and soul of Invor in as much as he's fucking absent.
He's there once every six months.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is metaphorically perfect.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway, we will be back on another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We also are on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
Now go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook, and if you'd like to download, please go to iTunes, leave a review, etc., donate.
You know the whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
Please do it.
You know, I normally end this with these aliases, but I feel like in honor of Alex's love, we should probably end this by saying, go fuck yourself, John.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
dan friesen
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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