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Jan. 24, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#391: January 22, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex Jones is doing with the beginning of Trump's impeachment trial. In this installment, Alex gives up on covering the impeachment, attempts to launch a bird-brained conspiracy about the Coronavirus, and warns of shrinking genitals.

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alex jones
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
It's time to pray.
jordan holmes
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I love your world.
unidentified
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
What was the last live TV event you watched?
Something that you felt like, I gotta watch this live.
dan friesen
I mean, I watched a little bit of the impeachment hearings on, like, I don't have a TV to watch it on.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
You could consider that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Because you don't watch sports.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
So you never do that live TV thing anymore.
dan friesen
I've watched some of that in a bar with you, though.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
Not too distant past.
jordan holmes
I meant something more like what you wanted to see.
Some people are like, it's Monday, I gotta watch the fucking Bachelor.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I've watched some wrestling pay-per-views in the past year.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Not a ton of them.
I'm not as into wrestling as a lot of listeners may assume I am, based on knowing things about it.
And this weekend's the Royal Rumble.
Oh, it is!
jordan holmes
Are you watching the Royal Rumble?
dan friesen
No matter how little I actually care that much about wrestling, I can never not get excited about a Royal Rumble.
jordan holmes
The Rumble is what you live and die for.
dan friesen
It's great.
Because here's the thing.
You've got 30 dudes that end up having to fight with each other and get thrown over the top rope before this thing can end.
And the way it's structured, and actually I should say now there's also a women's Rumble, so there's 30 women also in a match.
The way the match is structured is the first person comes out, and then the second person comes out, and they fight.
And then supposedly two minutes later, someone else comes out.
Although that time frame is very variable.
jordan holmes
Random.
dan friesen
But the excitement of the countdown of like five, four, you don't know who's coming out.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The music hits, and they just give you that dopamine rush 30 times.
It's very exciting.
They have people from the past that come back randomly.
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
I've watched a few rumbles.
There was a couple of comedian friends used to do a fantasy football game with it.
dan friesen
Trying to guess surprise entrance.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everybody fills stuff out.
There's money put on it.
It was fantastic.
It was great.
dan friesen
I love it.
Take even the wrestling aspect out of it.
Just random people showing up.
unidentified
Somewhere in a procession.
jordan holmes
Here's my idea to really take it up a new notch.
Alright?
One ring, but two rings in the...
So there's a ring, there's one whole thing, and then only one ring divided.
So it's like two rings smashed together, sharing one wall.
On either side, there's the Women's Royal Rumble and then the Men's Royal Rumble.
Stagger them every minute.
Somebody new's coming out.
And you can throw a woman or a man over the central buckle into the Men's or Women's Royal Rumble.
dan friesen
The WWE is very much not super into inter-gender wrestling at this point.
They do not like the idea of the optics of men hating women.
It's not something that they're super into.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Given that...
They sell a lot of toys.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
And the product is largely directed at children.
I think their sponsors are not interested in that.
unidentified
Fine.
jordan holmes
What about throwing women out of a ring?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if it's other women doing it, other women wrestlers, then by all means.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
Anyway, the Royal Rumble is this weekend, so that'll be the next time I probably watch something live.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is a podcast where I don't know too much about live TV entertainment, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones.
I guess I've watched some of him live.
That doesn't count.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That does not count, though.
That's not appointment viewing.
No, certainly not.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're back today because we had a little bit of that mini-sode on Wednesday.
We wanted to have a full-on normal app where I actually have to look into things as opposed to that dumb shit.
jordan holmes
We had a mini-sode the length of other podcasts' regular shows.
dan friesen
Well, it's still a mini-sode because most of it was just...
Sort of Alex's ad, his weird ad.
There's not really anything to look into that.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
There's no way I can find a database of his stock in his warehouse.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
Can't fact check that.
We're out of living defense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll take your word for it.
But, so today what we're going to be doing is going over January 22nd, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
jordan holmes
All right.
2020.
dan friesen
2020.
January 22, 2020.
Yup.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think this is an interesting thing, because one of the things that is really keeping us in the present day is the fact that the Trump impeachment is beginning.
Yep.
There's these flare-ups that keep happening, like Alex declaring a civil war was going to break out on Monday.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So there's these sorts of things, but the impeachment hearing and the trial is really what, I would figure, is the most compelling, most interesting thing.
Alex should have an angle on it.
So that's what I was mostly looking for here in this episode.
And I didn't really get it.
jordan holmes
Not surprising.
My guess, we're talking all about Bezos' phone.
dan friesen
No, Bezos' phone does not come up.
Although if China hacked it, I'm sure it would come up.
No, but we have another overarching narrative that is awesomely stupid.
And we'll get to that here in a moment.
But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who've signed up and are supporting the show.
Very exciting list of fun names today that are not human names, I don't believe.
First, NDSR.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, NDSR.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, Tinkersdam.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Tinkersdam.
If that's a real name and you leaned into it like it was fake, that guy gets it all the time.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Next, Leaf.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Leif.
dan friesen
Next, Bren.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Bren.
jordan holmes
Bren the Builder.
dan friesen
Next, Sparks.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Sparks.
dan friesen
Thanks, Sparks.
And next, Ann.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Ann.
dan friesen
That's not to say that these are all aliases or anything, but I imagine that Tinker's Dam and Sparks probably are.
jordan holmes
Fair, fair.
dan friesen
Leaf is a 50-50 call for me.
jordan holmes
Leaf Garrett, come on, man.
dan friesen
Spelled differently.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
It's spelled just like leaf?
dan friesen
Like a tree.
jordan holmes
Ah, okay.
dan friesen
But anyway, if those are...
It's a real name, Sparks.
I apologize for...
Or even Tinker's Dam.
I apologize that I've assumed that this is an alias.
jordan holmes
And Ann, quit lying to us.
Use your real name, dammit!
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level.
Appreciate it very much.
So, Allie, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Patrick, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
unidentified
Let's just get down.
alex jones
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Allie, and thank you so much, Patrick.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
We would absolutely love it.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, we have an out-of-context drop to get to that is very off-color and very not-a-family out-of-context drop.
jordan holmes
So it's just Rex?
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Oh.
dan friesen
But before we get to that, I want to talk about this, because otherwise I'm going to forget.
I'm never going to bring it up on the show.
I think the audience...
You might enjoy this.
So I have some trouble sleeping because of noise in this house.
So I bought this wireless speaker in order to play white noise.
At a far greater volume than I can on my phone.
The phone speaker doesn't work.
It does work a bit better.
But I downloaded an app that has a bunch of different sounds.
And you can play them together.
You can make your own blend of sounds.
jordan holmes
And one of them is just an Amazon employee listening to you?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I actually specifically...
I got one that has no internet capability.
jordan holmes
Very smart.
dan friesen
Because I listen to enough Alex Jones that I'm hip.
I know what's up.
No, it has all these noises and it's cool.
I think there's some promise in terms of being able to block out the troubling noises.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
So that's good.
jordan holmes
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
That is a plus sign.
However, there's also one option where you can get the sound of a cat.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
And it's just a cat going, meow!
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
And I started to think about it, and it really bummed me out, because who would want that?
Someone whose cat recently died.
jordan holmes
Oh, I was thinking somebody who was trying to drive another person insane by making them think there's a cat in their wall.
dan friesen
It's either a prank like that, or someone who's grieving the loss of a pet, and wants the comfort of the illusion of that pet still being there.
Because otherwise it's very distracting, and that is a bummer to me.
That is a bummer.
jordan holmes
What focus group was that?
Idea flowed out there.
dan friesen
Very sad.
jordan holmes
My cat just died.
Could you put a cat sound on there?
dan friesen
I feel like that's the person who would want that.
And it bummed me out.
I was thinking about that.
But then I was like, I'm going to see what this sounds like.
So I played it.
And Celine, my cat, immediately...
jordan holmes
Ape shit.
dan friesen
Got went crazy in a way that I've never seen before.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Started stalking around the house like trying to hunt for this other cat that was in the house.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So I started using that to fuck with her.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
So now we know why somebody gets this app.
dan friesen
This is the third possibility.
jordan holmes
Driving your cat insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It was like, I'd never seen her go into, like, real hunt mode before.
It was fascinating.
Anyway, that is the Celine update.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Now, let's get to this out-of-color, or off-color, out-of-context drop that is not, this is not a family drop.
alex jones
But, you know, if Dad's wondering why he had a good-sized Johnson and his son basically doesn't have a penis, it's because of Atrazine, okay?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
If you're a dad with a huge Johnson and you look down at your son and you're like, wow, even though you're a full-grown adult and this is a weird thing to be doing, I know why.
dan friesen
So we'll get into that a little bit.
That's the chemical that Alex based the tap water's frickin' gay bomb and the frog's gay stuff on.
He's got a new development in that narrative that'll be coming up.
It'll be fun to talk about.
But before we get to that, that'll be a little bit later.
Alex has some other business to take care of.
The first bit of it is he starts the show doing a little bit of navel-gazing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Talking about how great it was that he took over the Women's March in D.C. Did he do that?
He took over the Virginia Rally.
jordan holmes
I didn't see people saying that.
dan friesen
No, but one guy did, actually.
alex jones
Every reporter and the crew and the security people has just done a 100% job.
Everything fell into place.
And everything we did was wildly successful and game-changing.
And national news, taking over deep state narratives that gun owners were going to cause a giant murderous bloodbath, turned it around on them, educated the folks about how the governor was trying to cause a false flag and coming for people's guns.
Same thing happened with the Women's March, how it's run by Soros, how it's meant to divide the family.
We totally took that over and got the majority of the coverage.
100 million bucks Soros spent on that.
He admits we took it over.
Boom.
dan friesen
Boom.
Soros admits it.
jordan holmes
This is George Bush putting up a mission accomplished flag.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You didn't do a goddamn thing.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You're an idiot.
dan friesen
But I think this offers us a really interesting window into seeing how Alex views the world.
Like, in his mind, the globalists are saying that all gun owners are evil, and what he did was hijack that narrative and show the world it isn't true.
But in reality, no one really was saying that gun owners are all evil.
They were saying that the sensational way that certain extremist gun weirdos were building up that rally in Virginia was having the effect of attracting unstable and very dangerous people, and that could be a recipe for trouble.
The thing, though, is that Alex isn't really responsible for demonstrating that the globalist positions are wrong, because he was responding to a straw man.
However, he was partially responsible for the sensational coverage of the rally and how it was going to be the site of a globalist false flag to kick off the new race slash civil war.
He was part of creating that atmosphere where extremists like the members of the base felt the rally was a prime target to create an event that would advance their accelerationist agenda.
Alex is part of the problem in the real world.
In his head, he's created an imaginary problem, which he is the solution to.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
This is how the rhetoric works.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Well, yes.
But don't say that, because that kind of marginalizes people who are lunatics.
jordan holmes
No, that's not...
I think what's interesting about the rally is the more statistics and everything that they put up, it makes you realize that responsible gun owners are, by and large, very responsible.
What was it?
80% of gun owners supported every single one of the gun control measures passed?
And the only problem are these fucking thousand gun weirdos who are absolutely out there looking for danger.
dan friesen
I don't think most people are particularly that concerned about...
jordan holmes
Only being able to buy one gun a month?
dan friesen
Doesn't seem like it.
I don't know.
But it's the rhetoric that surrounds it that involves like, okay, yeah, they want you to only be able to buy one gun a month unless you have the concealed carry permit because the concealed carry permit is the way they can track you to come and take your guns.
jordan holmes
Registration is confiscation.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Ah, God, we're all going to die.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's the way you make it so there's never any progress.
So the issue that Alex has is that this was a lot of victories.
Is that the issue?
I mean, it is a problem for him, because how are you going to make people scared if there's all these victories?
jordan holmes
Right, that's true.
dan friesen
Time to roll out some fear.
alex jones
The curveball is the stock market, and could they crash it to take Trump out?
The other big curveball is this coronavirus that, did you know, just a month and four days ago, it got patented and certified with a vaccine.
And lo and behold, the exact same virus pops up about a week later and starts spreading.
That's just amazing, isn't it?
dan friesen
There's that insinuating voice of his again, like he did with the caller who was talking about the shooting hoax around the time of the Virginia Bills.
This is a pathetic man.
jordan holmes
Take a day.
dan friesen
We're in a bit of an interesting situation currently as it relates to what's being called the Wuhan coronavirus.
This novel strain of coronavirus that's come out of China.
At the point we're recording this, a lot of the basics regarding the spread and scope of the virus are not entirely clear, but it's definitely something that merits attention and should be taken seriously.
Most of the people who've come down with the virus are believed to have caught it when they were in Wuhan, a travel hub in China.
Or it's thought that they were exposed to a fish and seafood market that might have had infected animals at it.
At this stage, it does seem like there has been some human-to-human transmission of the virus.
But passing it along still would require transmission of bodily fluids.
So according to available information, it's not like something where we need an extreme panic surrounding this.
Like it's an airborne, everyone's gonna get it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
No plague masks just yet.
dan friesen
Perhaps not.
I'd really like to say more about this, but honestly, according to the information I can find from the CDC and other official sources, we most likely won't know the extent of this outbreak for a little while, at least.
It's being said to be a serious concern among the elderly, babies, and people with compromised immune systems, but it seems like for most people, you might just end up, even if you get it, with a bad cold.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I assume that means the Chinese are trying to slightly lower our productivity?
dan friesen
I don't know if Alex is even blaming the Chinese on this one.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Interesting.
The ambiguity and the uncertainty that's surrounding the situation right now, it should lead people to approach it with some caution with their reporting, but that's not how Alex and InfoWars play it.
jordan holmes
Not a surprise.
dan friesen
They come out swinging with sensationalism and fear porn, the likes of which I haven't seen since the last time Alex was yelling about Obama trying to sneak Ebola into the country.
Normal outlets like CNN are quick to point out that even though there have been deaths from this strain, that the rate is lower than SARS or MERS, two similar viruses that have come up in the recent past.
Infowars instead ran an article about how Imperial College of London professor Neil Ferguson was quoted as saying that this could have a similar death rate to the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak, and then they editorialized that could mean that 195 million people could die from this.
jordan holmes
That might be a bit of a jump.
dan friesen
A little.
jordan holmes
At least in the early going, I would say.
dan friesen
What Infowars fails to point out is the rest of Ferguson's commentary.
He was talking about the current rate of death among known cases of the virus.
But according to CNN, quote, Ferguson believes the fatality rate is likely to be lower due to an iceberg of milder cases we're yet to find.
So once there's more information, a lot of this will probably end up looking a lot less drastic and severe than it does immediately.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you're saying that some media outlet took...
Noted experts in tire phrasing and wording and answering questions wherein basically he counseled everybody to be cautious about making this a ridiculous, sensationalized thing.
And then the media outlet grabbed the one hypothetical where he was like, well, it could be bad.
dan friesen
I think Ferguson's comments could be better characterized as not saying, like, don't worry about it.
jordan holmes
No, just be cautious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And a reality of these sorts of situations is that oftentimes what you see is it looks really bad.
And then when you find that there are, I don't know, 10,000 additional people who had the virus and didn't even know they did because they just got a cold, you realize, like, okay, it's not as deadly as it appears immediately.
That's the gist that I got from Ferguson's comments that were mysterious and conspicuous in their absence from the InfoWars article.
jordan holmes
Not a surprise.
dan friesen
I can't tell you what's going to happen with this virus, but I do think it's repugnant for Alex to behave the way he is.
No matter the scale of the eventual outcome, this is a public health issue, and people should be given the information they need to best equip themselves to keep themselves and their families safe.
In a situation like this, there's no place for sensationalism, but honestly, Alex doesn't have any other guidelines All he has is insinuation.
In a position that is equally knee-jerk as it is uninformed.
That this virus is a globalist attack as opposed to just a reality of life in the modern world.
Every virus and condition is unknown until it's not.
People who work on this stuff understand that dynamic perfectly well.
But Alex, he has a piece of information that blows this whole thing wide open.
A month and four days ago, this virus was patented for a vaccine or whatever.
Which definitely proves that this is a globalist attack.
I can find no evidence of what he's saying.
This would be December 18th, 2019, that he's talking about, and there's no indication that I can find that he's not just making this up.
On December 20th, 2019, Merck announced that they'd gotten FDA approval for an Ebola vaccine called Ervebo.
This is huge news, but it has nothing to do with the Wuhan situation.
As best as I can tell, there's a conspiracy running around that there was a patent put on this virus to make a vaccine prior to the outbreak being reported to the World Health Organization.
But I've reviewed the arguments and basically it all boils down to these online dum-dums not realizing that the word coronavirus is not unique to this outbreak.
It's an umbrella under which there's tons of specific viruses, including SARS and MERS.
I can find conspiracy theorists talking about a prior coronavirus patent and how that's suspicious, but I can't find anything about December 18th and that shit that Alex is talking about.
Infowars has posted tons of articles, but I need to be very afraid, but none of them have anything about this mysterious patent.
I have searched natural news as well, and I couldn't find any information on it.
I have no idea at this point what Alex is talking about, but maybe a little bit later in the episode, Alex will reveal.
And at that point, we can figure out whether or not he's making shit up.
Spoiler alert, he is.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was like, yeah, and they make you put a lime in this vaccine right there.
All right.
Corona.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Come on now.
It's very heavily featured in the Fast and the Furious movies.
This vaccine.
jordan holmes
That's all ludicrous drinks.
dan friesen
So, Alex is going to get back to this, and it'll be very hilarious when he does, because the roots of this are very sad and very stupid.
But before he does, he's got to ramble about some other issues.
Now we get to some geopolitical free press issues that I find very stupid for Alex to be talking about.
alex jones
Just so much to break down.
Now Brazil is going after Glenn Greenwald.
Why not?
America's not standing up for Julian Assange.
Very dangerous.
A real black mark on...
The leader of Brazil and on Trump that he's done nothing.
dan friesen
I don't know why Alex is surprised by what's happening with Glenn Greenwald in Brazil.
jordan holmes
Did he think that Jair Bolsonaro wasn't going to attack the press?
dan friesen
We'll get to that here in a second because Alex is just way out of left field on this.
And again, I have my ongoing theory that Alex does not know Bolsonaro's name.
jordan holmes
He did say the leader of Brazil.
He did say the leader of Brazil.
dan friesen
He talks about it a little more, and I think my theory becomes much stronger every time Alex talks about Brazil.
alex jones
Modern communication is Facebook, is YouTube, is Twitter, is Instagram.
It's how almost everybody communicates now.
People don't pick a telephone up.
Most people, including myself, don't even pick the phone up.
You just send a text message.
Or you send a voice message.
That's how most communication is now.
And now, CNN member six months ago said, we're looking into banning Jones off of text messages.
We're trying to find out what platform he's on.
If he's using WhatsApp, and then Facebook came out and said, no, we checked, he doesn't.
But if he tries to use private messenger with us, we'll ban him there.
And now Brazil, Facebook is using it to block people there that support Balasaro.
Balasaro doesn't even get it.
He's trying to have...
Greenwald put in prison for journalism.
This is a dangerous situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, it certainly is.
jordan holmes
Balazaro!
dan friesen
Right.
This is not good.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, what Alex is talking about there with his, like, they're trying to get me to not be able to text or whatever.
When he got kicked off Facebook, there was a conversation, I think on CNN maybe, some sort of just casual conversation with a reporter.
It was like, well, Facebook owns WhatsApp.
Is he kicked off that too?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And the person said, I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
And that's what this whole thing is based on.
jordan holmes
The whole thing.
dan friesen
You're trying to figure out what apps I'm on so they can kick me off.
It's just more of a, hey, you're kicked off Facebook.
Does that apply to the other businesses that Facebook owns?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That was it.
dan friesen
He's just rolled that ball down the hill.
Now everyone wants to know what apps I'm on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is like, you're not allowed to watch Disney movies.
You're like, okay.
But also all the things that Disney owns, that's like 40% of all entertainment.
dan friesen
Now you can't be in Star Wars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
So, on the one hand, I'm glad that Alex is opposed to how Glenn Greenwald is being treated by Bolsonaro's Brazil.
jordan holmes
Bolsonaro!
unidentified
It sounds like he's mispronouncing it with a bad Italian accent.
dan friesen
On the other hand, I have no idea why he's surprised by what's happening.
Alex has absolutely supported Bolsonaro up to this point, when literally everyone who knows anything has been shouting warnings about his repression of the press and his authoritarian leanings.
Alex knows nothing about the country.
He doesn't even know the dude's name.
It was never important to him.
He was just Brazil's Trump, and that was good enough.
In his campaign, Bolsonaro called the media trash.
Reporters Without Borders sounded a very serious alarm, noting that after the first round of elections, he had said he planned to, quote, put a final stop to all forms of activism in Brazil, which is the sort of thing only a dictator would probably say publicly.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that and, like, praising previous dictatorships, only dictators would probably do that, right?
He never did that, did he?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Yeah.
He later qualified his position that the media was trash, tweeting, quote, when they cover the facts without political activism and partiality, the media fulfill a valuable role of informing people.
The rest of this is in all caps.
Quote, we are against any type of social control of the media and internet.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
One gets the picture that maybe political activism and partiality is only a problem when it's not in agreement with you.
In this sense, it seems like he could be called Brazil's Trump.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, he hasn't murdered a journalist on his birthday yet, though, so that's a good start.
dan friesen
Reuters reported during the campaign that, quote, the Brazilian Association of Investigative Journalism has identified more than 60 instances of physical violence or its imminent threat against journalists during the campaign.
This probably explains why Bolsonaro tweeted in all caps, really trying to overstress that these attacks aren't the natural result of his rhetoric.
What we're seeing now with the targeting of Glenn Greenwald is terrible, but none of it should be surprising.
In the campaign, Brazilian journalist Miriam Lieto was aggressively targeted and threatened by Bolsonaro supporters for an article that they wrote about the threat that he posed to democracy.
Reporters Without Borders covered a female journalist who cannot be named for security reasons, who worked for any.
10 news she was hit in the chin and arm by bolsonaro supporters who threatened to rape her and said quote when the commander is president the whole press will be killed bolsonaro himself attacked and threatened to remove any government advertising from forad to sao paulo uh the newspaper accusing them of being fake news When a closer examination reveals he was probably just mad that they ran critical coverage of him and ran a story, quote, affirming that he had threatened to kill his ex-wife.
His constant and aggressive attacks on the media have created a very hostile and very non-free environment for the press and the country, and it's exactly what everyone who cares at all has been warning about since he was campaigning.
All that time, Alex is not given a single shit.
He supported Bolsonaro because nothing matters to Alex other than optics.
This guy was being called Brazil's Trump, and he was acting a lot like Trump.
He was friendly with Trump.
He used the same words like fake news.
How the fuck are you supposed to criticize him without being very clear that you're fine with the same thing from Trump?
Alex has now entered the place and the period where criticism about Trump for not freeing Julian Assange has become normalized.
So now he can feign some kind of concern about Greenwald's situation without jeopardizing losing his audience of Trump dum-dums.
This is all just very sad and a clear demonstration of how little Alex cares about any of this shit.
If he cared, he'd know Bolsonaro's name.
If he cared, he would have noticed the very clear pattern of attacking the press in Brazil for a long time already.
If he cared, he would take a look in the mirror and realize that he would absolutely lock up Brian Stelter if he had the power to do so.
What I'm getting at is that if I were Paul Joseph Watson...
I'd probably accuse Alex of virtue signaling here about caring about the press.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's probably what I would do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you're surprised that Bolsonaro went after Glenn Greenwald.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
The guy who revealed Operation Car Wash was a giant corrupt bullshit scam.
The guy who revealed that they illegally ousted Silva in order to...
Or not Silva.
No, it was Silva.
They ousted her in order to install it to mayor, even though they...
That was illegal, and he wasn't even allowed to fucking run.
And then because Lula was in prison at the time, again, illegally, for no reason, if he's a political prisoner, he wasn't allowed to run, even though he would have won by a fucking mile.
And instead, Bolsonaro is in with a fucking absolute stranglehold on power.
I don't know why they would go after Glenn Greenwald.
dan friesen
Right.
The only thing that's surprising is it took this long.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It is kind of surprising.
dan friesen
My point is, of course, I'm glad that Alex is bringing attention to it to his audience.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But at the same time, it's indicative that the issue isn't what he presents it to be.
Because if it was, he should have heard these warnings long ago.
And not just been blindly and stupidly supporting Bolsonaro while the rest of the world said, look out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think very simply, he's lighting the entire Amazon on fire would have been a good warning sign for he's probably going after journalists.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't care about that.
You need to release more carbon.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's right.
dan friesen
It's the plan for God to save the world.
jordan holmes
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
See, sometimes you say stuff like that.
jordan holmes
And murder indigenous tribes.
You've got to make sure you do that, too.
dan friesen
You say stuff like that, and I just think, man, this guy does not pay attention.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm just an idiot.
So stupid.
dan friesen
So Alex is dumb on that count, and he starts talking a little bit.
But instead of talking about the actual impeachment trial, he wants to distract with boutique right-wing victimhood narratives.
And this is the form that it takes for today.
alex jones
What they don't want is people tuning in to see the impeachment feed on a Breitbart or an Infowars or a right side or a judicial watch.
Because see, in the modern age, everybody's figuring out, wait a minute, I can just pay a couple hundred bucks to C-SPAN?
Or to Congress, and they'll just give me the feed, and then I can carry it?
And CNN is always behind the censorship.
You know it was Oliver Darcy or one of those guys called up YouTube and said, because they've got the contacts at the top of it, and said, what are you doing letting Judicial Watch run this?
dan friesen
So the story is that Judicial Watch and Right Side Broadcasting were streaming the impeachment hearings, and then YouTube shut down their streams.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is completely making up that CNN and Oliver Darcy were in any way involved in this story that he's talking about.
He has nothing to base that on other than his imagination.
It is just...
I'm making this up.
It feels to me like CNN and Oliver Darcy probably did this.
jordan holmes
You are discounting his ability to deduce information rather than...
dan friesen
Yes, I am.
jordan holmes
You don't need to confirm anything.
He's deduced it from their actions.
dan friesen
I'm not discounting that.
I'm impugning it.
I'm putting it on trial.
jordan holmes
Oh, Dilma.
Sorry.
Not Silva.
Dilma.
dan friesen
I find this story hard to care about too much.
For one, Right Side Broadcasting is an extreme right-wing organization that has employed Nick Fuentes and Joey Salads in the past.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they've had their streaming capabilities taken away by YouTube previously due to a breach of community standards.
It seems believable to me that they were in violation again here and had their streaming suspended again.
I don't care.
As for Judicial Watch, they're a ridiculous right-wing propaganda outlet who have received YouTube strikes recently for things like revealing the alleged Ukraine whistleblower's name.
It seems very believable, again, that they were not just providing some kind of commentary on the impeachment, but might have been operating a bit outside YouTube's rules.
This was specifically a YouTube thing.
Judicial Watch's stream of the impeachment continued on their own website.
It was just something about their stream was not appropriate for YouTube.
I've been doing this show long enough not to care about Judicial Watch, and I cannot possibly believe anything that Right Side Broadcasting says.
So this story will remain forever a Who Cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you told me, like, oh, Judicial Watch threw out a bunch of N-words, I'd be like, yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
They did.
Whatever it is, they had it coming.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know what the issue is precisely here, but Alex isn't telling the whole truth of the story, and I don't really care to...
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Care to look into judicial watch business.
Also, another thing is I can't be distracted by this.
There's bigger issues.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The coronavirus was patented a month and four days ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I just get really excited when I hear Alex teasing that he's going to get to it.
alex jones
I'm going to stop there and tell you what's coming up.
It's confirmed.
No one's reporting this.
We're going to break it at the bottom of the hour.
The coronavirus, it was patented, certified for...
And authorizes a vaccine 34 days ago.
And magically, that's right after that happens, there's an outbreak.
I'm not saying anything's going on here.
I'm just saying 2 plus 2 sometimes equals 4. Just sometimes.
And you know, there's quack and fish live in the water and birds fly in the sky and bats hang upside down and bananas are yellow.
jordan holmes
Say no one died.
alex jones
There's another one got patented actually last month.
So this is a very, very serious situation.
We're going to be laying it all out and breaking it all down here today.
Please remember that without you, this dog doesn't hunt.
With your help and support, it does.
And right now, we need financial support.
Plus, we have products you really need regardless.
dan friesen
So, if you're listening and you're paying attention, what has just happened here is Alex said that, hey, this coronavirus was patented for a vaccine a month and four days ago, and then there was an outbreak.
Hey, isn't that suspicious?
I'm not saying that the globalists are doing this, but sometimes bananas are yellow, bats hang upside down, and two plus two is four.
jordan holmes
So, all these things are confirmed that they are true.
dan friesen
are attacking us, the world, with this bioweapon of coronavirus.
I need some money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
For the products that will almost certainly protect you from diseases like OI.
dan friesen
He doesn't go that far as to imply that his products are going to help you with this situation, but there is, like, the commercial that he plays is that one about, like...
Hey, knock on wood, I don't get sick often.
I take my products and I don't get sick.
jordan holmes
The juxtaposition of those two things.
dan friesen
There is still the understanding among his audience that he sells products that will help you not be sick.
And like, oh, if I take iodine and colloidal silver, I won't catch anything.
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh, though.
What if the only thing that stops coronavirus is the life defense?
Then we're in serious trouble.
That's going to be no good.
dan friesen
Give me another quarter before that gets past the standards.
He's just teasing, though.
He doesn't get to any specifics on this.
There's not much I can do.
There's no information based on this that is readily available.
I'm like a rock climber.
I need a hold to be able to pull myself up the mountain.
Alex isn't giving me anything.
We just got to see what happens.
So he starts talking more about the impeachment trial.
And he has a very specific complaint about this that I think is very dumb.
unidentified
It's happening.
alex jones
And we've got both Savannah Hernandez and Owen joining us coming up in the second hour here today.
And again, live reports from D.C. with the second day of the Trump trial.
But all it is is the Democrats grandstanding.
And again, telling us over and over again how guilty Trump is trying to game the system just like they gamed.
The house.
dan friesen
He's complaining that it's just the Democrats' grandstanding.
It's the Democrats' opening statement, period.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, what the fuck?
unidentified
Why are you...
dan friesen
Oh, it's just Democrats talking.
unidentified
That's how they agreed for the structure of the hearing to be.
dan friesen
The fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
No, no, it doesn't matter.
Great.
Doesn't matter.
The lawyer for the Republicans said none of them were allowed to look at the stuff, even though everybody saw it.
Everybody knew he was fine, and he can just lie in there because it doesn't fucking matter.
dan friesen
Can you imagine, like, during the period where it's the Republicans' opening statement?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A couple days.
jordan holmes
They're just grandstanding.
dan friesen
Can you imagine, like, a serious left-wing commentator trying to pull that kind of shit?
unidentified
Like, the Republicans are just grandstanding up here saying Trump's...
jordan holmes
Are you telling me that they're just going to talk for three days?
What kind of ridiculous party would talk for three days?
dan friesen
It's so abusive.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
It's so exploitative of his audience's lack of grasp of these civic things and how they work.
That is what is going on in the trial right now.
You may be annoyed by it, but it's part of the agreed-upon format.
Shut the fuck up.
jordan holmes
Just because I agreed to do this doesn't mean I can't still malign you while you're doing it.
dan friesen
Stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex says that Owen and Savannah Hernandez are going to be in.
We're not going to hear anything from Savannah because their Skype doesn't really work out.
And Alex is like, fuck it.
I'm not talking to her.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
But he does have Owen Schroer come in.
And before he does, he plays a video of Owen going and like proving.
This is how he proves.
That protesters on the left, the pro-impeachment protesters, they don't even know why the impeachment's happening.
jordan holmes
We are not doing this.
dan friesen
We've got to listen to a little bit of this, because it's so bad.
jordan holmes
He's going to get dunked on.
unidentified
We walk in and we're like, hmm, what are we going to do?
And then, oh, we find these guys.
The Impeach Trump group.
So, let's go find out if they have any idea why Trump's going to be impeached.
And I'll go ahead and school them on the issues.
jordan holmes
So, can you guys tell me why Trump's going to be impeached?
unidentified
Is that because you don't know the reason?
He's impeached already.
You don't know the reason, do you?
He's impeached already.
So I'm gonna dominate them.
Let's dominate them.
dan friesen
We're going to pause there for a second because clearly this person he was trying to talk to has said, I'm not here to talk.
I know that a lot of people on the, you know, let's say people who work for the Daily Show, they go and they talk to people at Trump rallies.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like Jordan Klepper will go and make fun of these people.
If he had a video where one of them said, I don't want to talk to you, and then he kept antagonizing them, I would say that that is fucking bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even though I agree with the idea of making these people at Trump rallies look stupid, I agree that that's good, fun entertainment.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
To an extent.
I'm not sure if it proves much, but it's fine.
You know, it's entertainment.
Yeah.
If one of them, of the group that I don't care much for, said, I'm not here to talk, and then Jordan Kleber's like, oh, I'm gonna fucking dominate this person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then I would say that this is not cool.
You are now harassing people.
jordan holmes
Pretty sure you still have to sign releases on broadcast TV.
Apparently on InfoWars you can just be like, I'm going to bitch at this person for a while, inexplicably thinking that he's going to dominate anybody in an argument.
dan friesen
He's going to dominate him.
jordan holmes
He couldn't dominate a nine-year-old in an argument.
unidentified
So here's the truth about Trump's impeachment.
They're claiming that Trump's impeachment is for Ukrainian quid pro quo.
The only problem is Nancy Pelosi, who advanced the articles of impeachment, to the Senate admitted that they started this inquiry before Trump was even president.
So how can they impeach Trump for something he did as president?
You're in the way.
You're in the way.
Can you not touch my cameraman, please?
Stop lying.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Yeah, let's get him going.
dan friesen
See, you can see the strategy there is let's get them going.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, people are responding to me.
I can work with this.
Let's argue.
Let's fight.
That is all they have.
That is all this.
And really, they should stop putting out videos that include those portions.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's too clear that these people were like, I don't want to talk to you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Leave me alone.
Can you please not block us or whatever?
There's a clear disinterest in engaging and then a poking and antagonizing.
You need to cut that out and only leave in the part where they're yelling at you later.
This really hurts the optics.
Except it doesn't to the intended audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does for human beings, but if you're intended...
No, I mean, it does for us who are like, there are standards and things that you should do, and maybe just be a polite person.
dan friesen
It reveals too much that the goal is the outburst.
The goal is eliciting the outburst, and that they don't care that people may say, I don't want to talk to you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Owning the libs is not about arguments or winning or being correct.
It is about making libs angry.
dan friesen
Right.
So Owen is going to be on the show and talking to Alex about his plight and how difficult it is.
He says that he's like a second-class citizen.
There's a two-tier justice system against...
People like him.
jordan holmes
I would like to put him down to third.
Can we put him down to a third-class citizen?
dan friesen
I think he is a just-fine citizen.
I think he's doing all right.
jordan holmes
Let's put him down further.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has some thoughts.
This is just stupid.
alex jones
You know, when Infowars tells you something's bombshell news, we're not hyping it.
There's a lot of bombshells, though.
This is a war.
The future of humanity on this planet and beyond.
Infinity and beyond, as Buzz Lightyear likes to say.
But I just got a call, oh, the producer did, Daria, two minutes ago, saying Owen just got out of court.
It's bombshell news.
They're trying to put him in jail for going in there at the kickoff of impeachment and saying who needs to really be impeached is the Democrats and the deep state.
Now, we can't find cases where the Democrats, other than the fact that they got physical sometimes, sometimes they've gotten physical, they've actually been indicted.
But when the Democrats take over live events, they don't get in trouble.
They might get arrested, but they're throwing the book at Owen Troyer.
dan friesen
You can find tons of left-wing protesters and activists who are nonviolent who've been arrested for demonstrating and faced consequences and had to go to trial.
Alex is completely making up the idea that none are in order to exaggerate and fuel the right-wing victimhood that animates his business, turning Owen Troyer into some kind of a martyr.
Although, I do think this is really interesting because this isn't news.
On the 22nd of January, Owen Schroer disrupted that impeachment hearing in early December.
He's just had to go to a court date.
And this makes me realize why he's still in D.C. covering the impeachment.
jordan holmes
Because he's got to go to court.
unidentified
He has to go fight this ticket.
dan friesen
So he's on the ground to D.C. providing up-to-date coverage because he has to go argue about a ticket.
jordan holmes
That's very fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that.
dan friesen
It's good to get dual purpose out of your remotes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
If you're going to be in D.C. anyways, might as well log a few hours.
dan friesen
I'm laughing because it's funny, not because it's not wise.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So, Alex has been teasing this coronavirus thing, and it really was me hitting my head against a wall, trying to figure out what the fuck is he talking about.
I have no idea.
This is really absurd.
Then finally, here, at this point, Alex uses a specific.
And I'm able to run with it.
alex jones
There is a Pibrite Institute, if I'm pronouncing that right, that's a shadowy, you know, secretive group like a lot of these big foundations and where they get their money.
I guess a lot of it's probably Bill and Melinda Gates.
But they've been working on trying to create a vaccine for this.
And so they've patented over the years.
Different mutations of the virus.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
And so I just find it very, very interesting that magically there's a vaccine for this now.
Well, there you go for this coronavirus.
dan friesen
You see how sad this is and how he's just grasping at straws?
This is pathetic.
jordan holmes
You cheating fucking liar.
dan friesen
And there isn't a vaccine for this.
There's one in the works.
People are working on it, but it probably won't be ready for a while.
I have literally never heard Alex bring up the Hybrite Institute on his show before, and he's obviously unfamiliar with them, being as he isn't sure how to pronounce their name.
jordan holmes
He pronounces it, Bolsonaro!
dan friesen
But now, here he is, reporting on them as a shadowy organization that's up to no good.
He's making insinuations about them as if they're a long-time bad guy on the show, but this is all new shit.
Also, point of order, he's completely making up that they're funded by Bill Gates.
It's entirely possible that some funding for that foundation does exist from Bill Gates, but Alex is absolutely just guessing and making that up.
He has no reason to suggest that, other than to make the Hybrite Institute look evil by connecting them to an established bad guy in his cinematic universe.
Now that I have some information, I can get to the bottom of this.
And if this clip's pathetic rambling didn't already tell you this, this is complete bullshit.
There is no article on InfoWars.
Nor News Wars, nor Summit News, nor Natural News that include the words Hybrite Institute.
jordan holmes
Ever?
dan friesen
No.
There is a headline, though.
Quote, Secretive Institute patented coronavirus vaccine recently.
But that article on InfoWars is just the video of this episode that we're listening to right now.
There's legitimately no proof of any of this shit.
And one of the things that's the most difficult is that there are a number of ways you could spell hybrite.
H-Y-B-R-I-G-H-T.
H-I-H-I-G-H.
Who knows?
Thankfully.
I'm an old salt at this game.
And I know the odds are that Alex flashed something up on screen that could help me out here.
So, it turns out, I went and consulted the video, and it turns out when he says hybrite, it's actually pierbrite.
P-I-R-B-A-H-T.
jordan holmes
So he said Pyrebrite.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He said Hybrite.
dan friesen
I heard Pyrebrite.
It's Pyrebrite.
Alex appears to be getting this information about the Pyrebrite Institute and how they got a vaccine patented in December from Jordan Sather, noted QAnon weirdo on Twitter, and a guy who recommends people drink bleach for healthcare.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sather tweeted about this conspiracy back on January 21st, the day before the episode we're listening to now, and it spread a bit from there.
If I had to guess, I would say that Alex saw this, but would absolutely never admit that this was his source.
Unfortunately, the patent that is owned by the Pure Bright Institute that's related to the coronavirus is not for human use.
And the one that Jordan Sather was tweeting about, the one that's central to all the conspiracies that grew from there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
From the patent, quote, A serotype that is not related to the vaccine used, posing a risk to the poultry industry.
Further, there's a need in the industry to develop vaccines which are suitable for use in OVO in order to improve the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of vaccine programs.
Jordan?
jordan holmes
This is for birds.
dan friesen
This is a patent for a vaccine that's given to chickens.
jordan holmes
This is a vaccine for in OVO chickens.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All right.
Isn't it a little bit convenient that this vaccine is for Innovo chickens, Dan?
What do we eat?
dan friesen
Chickens.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's how we're going to get the vaccine virus.
dan friesen
This is the problem with people not reading things.
If you read over this patent, you'll find a dead giveaway when they're talking about clinical indications from the vaccine, and the main side effect they're talking about and they're concerned with is snicking, which is a respiratory condition in chickens.
There's no conversation in this patent at all about human use because it's a vaccine for fucking chickens.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's an issue.
dan friesen
There's only one sliver of plausibility here.
And I need to stress that this story Alex is talking about is complete bullshit.
But the sliver of sort of reality is that the Pure Bright Institute does study animal diseases that have a potential to possibly spread to humans.
Like in the case of the coronavirus in chickens.
But that's not all that they do.
They're primarily an animal health organization, as one might learn from looking into some of their other research, like their recent breakthrough related to foot and mouth disease, which only affects hooved animals, which humans are not.
jordan holmes
I think Alex has foot and mouth disease.
Alright, how we doing?
dan friesen
The bottom line here is that this vaccine for chickens is not even the same strain of coronavirus that's currently showing up out of Wuhan.
This is a completely unrelated patent for an animal medicine that Alex is reporting as being related to the Wuhan outbreak.
And as best as I can tell, his source is the Twitter account of a dude who tells his followers to drink bleach.
This is bad work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably not what I would say was going to get you a Pulitzer.
I don't think he's going to win on this one.
The great...
Somebody patented a vaccine for chickens and that's why we're all gonna die story of 2020 probably isn't gonna win anything.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
No, I doubt it.
dan friesen
So that's the big scoop Alex has got.
Jordan Sather tweeted out a fucking patent for a chicken vaccine they're presenting as being the same thing as this Wuhan coronavirus outbreak and now it's proof that the globalists are attacking everybody.
jordan holmes
People need to go to school.
I'm going to say this quite a bit.
Just go to school.
dan friesen
You don't even need to go to school.
You just need to be a little bit critical.
jordan holmes
Just to learn how to read.
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
The problem isn't people not knowing how to read.
It's blind trust in people like Alex and Jordan Sather.
Those types of people who don't do any work just throw spaghetti against the wall for sensational effect.
People just need to not trust them and go and read these things.
The people who are tricked by a lot of this stuff, they know how to read.
They just don't do it and don't confirm these things.
Like with Alex, if any of his listeners went and actually read the Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment, it would puncture the entire world that he's creating.
jordan holmes
Right, because it's entirely about chickens.
dan friesen
Why would Alex say this is all about incels?
It's very clearly about white racially motivated terrorism.
It would cause that.
The trust in these figures is what needs to be eroded because they're bad actors.
They don't present the information accurately.
Alex is presenting this fucking dumb shit about a chicken vaccine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you should be forced to present the information.
If you're presenting information, you should have to present the information.
dan friesen
Or you should be open to and receptive to calls to...
Address the information you're putting out.
If you're wrong about something, you should be open to that.
As opposed to Alex.
This is going to be established as a piece of his rhetoric moving forward.
That the globalists had planned a month and four days in advance with this vaccine patent.
And everyone will just internalize it as a real talking point.
As opposed to it being based on a fucking chicken vaccine.
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
It's a vaccine for chickens.
Am I correct?
dan friesen
Correct.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And there's some concern about snicking.
jordan holmes
What he's saying is that the Pierbright Institute patented a vaccine for the coronavirus that is now being treated in Wuhan as a possible issue, but it's for chickens.
dan friesen
Yeah, just none of this is real.
unidentified
It's just for chickens.
dan friesen
But this is the kind of dangerous news that Alex covers, and that's why they need him to be taken off the air.
jordan holmes
Is a banana yellow?
dan friesen
Not when it's brown.
jordan holmes
Not when it's chicken.
alex jones
It's just shocking stuff we're doing.
And that's why they want us off the air, because Right Side Broadcasting and Judicial Watch are carrying feeds that they paid for off the government and C-SPAN feeds.
You can buy it from the government or C-SPAN.
They're in a partnership with Congress.
It's very inexpensive.
A couple hundred bucks last time we did it to pay for a feed.
Now we just have the satellite feeds here and subscribe to them.
Jack Dorsey, Oliver Darcy, Oliver Darcy calls up and says, that's his job.
You've got an extremist.
Oh, YouTube blocked it.
That's in the news right here.
So that's the level.
They don't want us on air.
They don't want us being able to cover any of this.
They are the masters.
They are the controllers.
They're the ones that are going to suppress the American people, but they're not.
dan friesen
So now it's become, Alex is implying that it's in the news that Oliver Darcy and CNN were behind getting right-side broadcasting and judicial watches streams on YouTube taken down.
He has nothing to base that on.
He just made it up earlier in the show, and now he's repeating it as if it's fact.
jordan holmes
He even added something to Oliver Darcy's LinkedIn page, which is apparently he's in charge of getting people kicked off YouTube as well.
dan friesen
It's in the job description.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So this is, again, how this mutates over the course of just Alex's rambling, completely unhinged, ungrounded show.
Like, it's just him talking shit.
jordan holmes
That continues to spiral out of control.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Things become...
Substantiated.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Things become concrete without any real confirmation of anything.
It's just, I said it, it felt good, so now it's the truth.
jordan holmes
Well, he said it earlier, and he can't remember long enough because his memory is very similar to that of a chicken.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And so he just assumes that if I said it earlier, that means it was confirmed when I said it two weeks ago.
Must have been.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex now gets back to complaining about Owen Schroer's victimhood.
She has Owen come in and do a little bit of a remote thing.
jordan holmes
Poor Owen.
dan friesen
And, hey, man, you know, this is just all bullshit.
alex jones
He didn't disrupt Congress.
He injected one little bit of citizen truth into it, and he's been arrested, and he's now been in court.
He's going to pay for a lawyer for committing a thought crime.
The Democrats come in and take over those events with Code Pink all the time.
They don't get charged.
Again, it's unequal weights and measures.
It's selective enforcement, and they're trying to...
Push Owen.
They're trying to bamboozle him.
They're trying to Shanghai him.
They're trying to Buffalo him.
And yes, Owen's been sued by the deep state.
I've been sued by the deep state.
InfoWars is fighting all of that, and that's why when you buy the coffee, and that's why when you buy your good fish oil from us, you buy your good troubics from us, an X2 that just came back in.
dan friesen
So, I mean, this is what this all is.
You see the transmutation here of the victimhood, the exaggeration, the lies about, like, there's a complete selective enforcement.
These Democrats who disrupt don't ever have to deal with any consequences, but people like me and Owen, who are up against the deep state and so brave to do this fight, we are attacked.
And please, by the way, Buy my coffee.
It's how the victimhood gets translated to a call to action for sales.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think he kept in mind the activist that the government tried to put in prison for the rest of his life for leaving water out.
dan friesen
I don't know.
No, I don't think he knows.
jordan holmes
I don't think he included that one as the left disrupting things.
dan friesen
He doesn't know about anything.
jordan holmes
The left never gets any consequences for that, except for the government trying to put you in jail for the rest of your life for keeping people from dying.
dan friesen
Well, look, dude.
Who cares about that stuff?
Because Owen Schroer is getting bamboozled and buffaloed.
Yeah, man, I'm fine with that.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
I kind of hope he gets Wuhan'd.
dan friesen
Alex and Owen, they're convinced that Jerry Nadler himself is behind Owen's persecution.
jordan holmes
By himself!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so they talk about this a little bit, and Alex gets a little weird.
unidentified
They pay protesters to come out here that have no idea what the impeachment is even about, but oh my gosh.
If you're one lowly peon, if you're one tiny little ant, one little citizen that dares stand up for your rights, that dares stand up to the hated Trump...
alex jones
But no, unless you say this.
I'm not normally gay, but he is one hot man.
unidentified
You know what?
I'm not attracted to Oompa Loompas, Alex, so I'm not going to comment on that.
dan friesen
Great riff.
Great riff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Marvin Gaye's great.
dan friesen
Good comedy.
Alex is like, I'm not gay, but that Jerry Nadler's real hot.
And just dead air.
Owen, just not a yes and guy.
jordan holmes
No, no.
He's not very talented on mic.
dan friesen
Bad starting point for the bit, first of all.
And then Owen just really...
No butted him.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
He's not attracted to Oompa Loompas.
Please stop now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Not great.
So their interview is stupid and not worth even really talking about.
Alex goes to break and he comes back.
I don't know what happened during the break, but Alex is really mad.
alex jones
You know, this happens here on air and in the interest of total transparency.
I was already going to play this later in the fourth hour.
I'm going to play it now because it's so important.
And we've got so many incredible clips.
From what happened in Virginia, that during a short break, trying to decide again which ones we're going to play, because they're all so powerful, and then other people come in the room and ask questions.
It's not a problem.
We're just an open newsroom in here.
We're too few people doing too much.
I'm not complaining.
Then I get angry.
And I've learned, instead of getting angry, just say, hey, I'm going to pick what I think is one of the most important reports, and just play almost the whole thing.
dan friesen
So this is a development.
Alex is furious, but he's keeping it together enough to throw it to an ad or one of his videos.
So he does that.
He just plays for the rest of this entire segment a video of Millie Weaver at the Virginia Rally.
And, I mean, I guess it's probably less abusive, especially if it, I mean, and less weird to your audience than just scream and storm off set.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, I mean, you kind of got to assume he's doing some of that stuff just off air.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He says he's really, really bad.
jordan holmes
It seems like somebody just pointed out to him that he's abused his staff on air maybe a little too much.
dan friesen
And it's a bad look.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he could just throw it to a segment.
dan friesen
Maybe one of his producers came up and was like, hey, Alex, that...
The whole thing about the coronavirus is stupid.
You just said dumb shit on air.
And then he's super furious about it.
So he's got to throw it to a Mellie Weaver report.
Now, there's something interesting.
When he comes back, his coverage takes a real shift.
And it becomes very anti-Islam.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it seems to me that there's a possibility that when Alex gets really mad, the only way he can really allow it to get out is to yell about Islam and to complain.
So he starts doing that a little bit here in this next clip.
alex jones
Well, it's now official.
French government admits there are hundreds and hundreds of no-go zones in which French cannot go.
You can be black, you can be white, you can be old, you can be young.
a Muslim you're gonna get your ass attacked and if you're an American rapper and you fight back in France or Sweden they're gonna lock your ass up till President Trump gets you out of jail Imagine a bunch of big black dudes are walking down the street and a bunch of little Islamics come up and literally start attacking them.
Black guys fight back, they're Americans, and they go to jail.
That's how Europe has rolled out the red carpet of the Islamics, and I have a big stack of news on that front.
dan friesen
Generally speaking, I try not to pay too much attention to things like celebrities getting into fights, particularly when there's some ambiguity to it.
I don't care about celebrities, and I'm not impressed by fights, so it's just not really my thing.
With the A $AP Rocky situation, I have no idea what happened, but it's literally nothing like what Alex is describing.
There's a video of the fight, and it's not a bunch of black guys walking down the street only to be attacked by little Islamics, as Alex puts it.
This is gaslighting, because whatever the reality of what started that fight is, documented reality is not what Alex is describing.
The 19-year-old who ended up getting beaten up didn't get charged by the Swedish government because it was determined in court that he only acted in self-defense.
Also, even if Trump did push to get Rocky out of prison, it's hilarious how stupid his attempts were.
To quote an article in Reuters about it, quote, That's an issue.
Ultimately, Trump didn't get Aesop Rocky released.
On August 14th, 2019, he had an appearance before the Stockholm District Court where he was found guilty, but the court decided not to give him a sentence, deeming time served to be sufficient, as well as an order to pay for his victim's medical costs.
Trump really didn't do shit in that case, other than act publicly pretty embarrassingly.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the story of his presidency.
dan friesen
Doing nothing, just being loud.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and embarrassing.
dan friesen
I don't think that Alex is right to claim that the French government is admitting that there are no-go zones, hundreds and hundreds of them, but I think I understand where this story is coming from.
He's reporting on a Breitbart story that uses a story in a French paper, Le Journal du Dimanche, as its source.
There's a little bit of a slippery translation here, I think, where the story is saying that a classified document allegedly says that 150 districts in France are held by Islamists.
This document is referenced, but the article in the Journal de Dimanche also says that a quote has not been disclosed.
So it's not clear even what this document says.
But the article does go on to discuss polling numbers in Mauberge.
Where the Union of French Muslim Democrats got a 40% approval in a poll.
So it seems to me like there's a decent chance that what this is about is that there's a Muslim political party that's popular in communities where there are more Muslims.
And this is being translated and reported as no-go zones.
I think that there's a possibility that that's what this is about.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I looked into the Union of French Muslim Democrats a little bit.
It seems like Alex and his ilk should really be in favor of them.
Also, to be clear, just so you know, off the top, like that party has fielded candidates for office that are not Muslims.
It's not a uniquely strictly Muslim party.
Right.
an article in Deutsch Well from 2015.
The UFMD is an attempt to combat Islamophobia by encouraging young Muslims to get engaged with the political process.
The article spoke to a 28-year-old woman who's involved in the party who stressed that getting involved in this sort of activity is an important part of, quote, showing that we are not like them, referencing ISIS.
In the article, a sociologist named Pietra reflects on the party and notes that there's little chance of them making real strides in regional elections.
But, quote, the fact they embrace their attachment to secularism and the French Republic can help in de-demonizing Muslims.
As their people appear in the media and get better known, they'll be seen in a different way.
I don't know how much this article proves that the government is admitting that there's hundreds and hundreds of no-go zones, but it definitely doesn't appear that that is the thrust of the article.
It feels like this might just be the spin that's put on it by Breitbart and then exaggerated by Alex.
And in reality, I think that there's probably just bigotry behind this.
jordan holmes
Okay, so this article is referencing a document that hasn't been read by anybody, that has alleged contents, and then...
The article itself immediately goes to polling, suggesting that in reality this is just where Muslims are.
dan friesen
I'm not certain.
I mean, I don't know what the secret classified document says, and Alex doesn't either.
But the article, when talking about these areas that are quote-unquote held by Islamists, it then immediately talks about this union of French Muslim Democrats.
So it seems to me that there might be some sort of a connection between the definition of held by Islamists and...
The UFMD pulls well in this place.
It seems like there might be a connection from the text.
I'm not entirely sure.
I don't trust Breitbart or Alex's spin on these sorts of issues.
So, whatever.
I think that this is just Islamophobia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this sounds just racist.
dan friesen
And it makes sense that it would be because from here, Alex just descends into complete nonsense about Muslims.
alex jones
And I had Muslims repeatedly come up and tell me when I was in D.C. Listen.
We're going to conquer you just like we've conquered Paris.
jordan holmes
Odd way to start a conversation.
alex jones
And you're going to submit or you're going to be driven into the hills.
unidentified
And...
And?
alex jones
I'm going to get to this later, but it's a long story.
But I had a group of Muslims covertly messing with my wife when I took her on the trip with me.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
So they didn't mess with me.
They would mess with her.
And I didn't think she was crazy, but I was like, really?
And then I caught one of them doing it in the hotel.
jordan holmes
Doing what?
alex jones
Coming up, saying mean things, acting like nothing happened, gaslighting.
It's just incredible because they know how to not go frontal up against the man.
They mess with your woman.
Really?
unidentified
It's disgusting is what it is.
dan friesen
I don't believe a single part of this story, and here's why.
For one, Alex seems to be trying to come up with a story here, and his brain isn't so fast, so he's just randomly cobbling together some bullshit.
Second, he has no video of this, yet his team was surrounding him with cameras the whole time he was in D.C. Third, he says that Muslims were messing with his wife because they know not to go frontal and mess with the man, but not ten seconds prior.
He just said that Muslims repeatedly threatened to conquer him while he was in D.C. So what is it?
Are they so bold that they openly threatened to conquer the big strong Alex, or are they so sneaky that they dare not confront big strong Alex but instead mess with his wife?
This shit is so incoherent, but it makes total sense.
If you look at it as just random bullshit Alex is making up to demonize Muslims because he hates Muslims.
jordan holmes
Dan, whatever it is they're doing, it's bad.
So I'm going to say they're doing this and it's bad and I'll say they're doing that and it's bad and it's all bad, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
Nonsense.
unidentified
Fuck him.
dan friesen
So the issue, though, is that Islam is intolerant, whereas Christianity...
jordan holmes
I really don't think that's where we're going.
dan friesen
This clip is really stupid.
I'm just going to say that in advance.
alex jones
What we need is real Christianity.
That is the answer to unify humanity together.
Christianity is tolerant of other groups.
Islam is not.
But by making it the world religion, everyone then must submit to it.
And that's what the globalists have chosen.
And the Antichrist is going to try to enforce in the future a weird globalist, secularist system that is allied with Islam where it will be able to persecute whoever it wants.
And that you'll have to bow to it and to the beast at the same time.
Everything with Satan is a fraud and a contradiction.
You can see the whole thing coming clearly, clearly into view.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
And the beast that the whore rides.
That's why the Vatican is now converting to Islam in the final move.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
And Catholics are rejecting it.
Because it's no longer Catholicism that is in Rome.
It is 100% a satanic religion.
Captured by the devil himself.
Oh, God help us.
God help us.
dan friesen
This is a big get for Islam.
jordan holmes
Wow, cool Pope is like, hey, maybe priests should fuck, and he's like, well, it turns out you're allying with Islam now.
dan friesen
I didn't realize that the Vatican had converted to Islam.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a big get.
Huge.
That's Tom Cruise in Scientology level get right there.
dan friesen
So dumb.
So dumb.
I mean, all Alex is really expressing is basically he wants his weird version of Christianity to be a theocracy globally.
So, great.
jordan holmes
What we need to unite humanity is my weirdo Christianity because that's so tolerant that it will absolutely crush Islam because it's intolerant.
dan friesen
I know one person who subscribes to Alex's religion and that's Alex.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
If there's one word I would use to describe him, it's fucking tolerant.
So tolerant.
Like a beacon of understanding and unity and oneness.
jordan holmes
It's so amazing to me how intolerant everybody is.
And thank goodness for Alex to point it out to us in a very vicious and racist way.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
It's amazing how intolerant everybody is.
We should get rid of them and smash them and eradicate them from the earth because they're so intolerant.
dan friesen
So he's descended into a pretty stupid Islamophobic chunk of his show right after he came back from break saying that he was super angry.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Are you saying those two things may be related?
dan friesen
It feels like it.
alex jones
Okay, I said I'd get to all this other news, and I haven't, because I'm just angry right now.
Absolutely angry.
And there's just too many angles.
There's just too much news.
There's just too much to cover.
I don't even know how you hit it all.
dan friesen
Cover anything!
Stop it!
jordan holmes
It does seem like if you say this often enough, if you say often enough, there's too much news, then you should by now...
Have a strategy to cope with that.
dan friesen
I often feel like there's too much going on in the world and it's kind of overwhelming.
jordan holmes
It is!
dan friesen
And one of the ways that I kind of deal with that, especially as someone who has a show and puts out a product.
Is that I just have to make peace with the fact that we can't cover everything that's important.
And it sucks, because there is a lot of stuff that's going on in the world that does deserve attention.
But I feel like other shows are probably far more capable of doing that.
And I take a narrow focus, and I really only cover the stuff that Alex brings up.
And that allows me...
To actually cover things.
As opposed to being deeply, deeply overwhelmed by the thousands of stories that are going on in the world.
All I can do is really like, well, Alex brought this up, so here we go.
Oh, hey, is there a patent for this Wuhan coronavirus thing?
No, this is some dumb QAnon weirdo who tweeted about this and it's a chicken vaccine.
Boom!
We're able to cover it.
Do that, Alex!
jordan holmes
I can't imagine what our show would be if you just opened it up top with just like, Alex said just too much for us to cover today.
He just said too much for us to cover, so let's bullshit for the first half hour, 45 minutes.
Maybe we'll get to something you said.
I have 7,000 clips stacked up in my iTunes.
I'm gonna play, I'm gonna, I'm telling you, in the next hour, in the next hour, I'm gonna go to 10 clips or just gonna play 10 clips.
dan friesen
I sometimes feel that way, but...
You gotta fight back against it and just do something.
Alex can't.
But I think part of that is because he knows how flimsy all of the thousand of news stories that he needs to cover are.
He can't get in any greater depth.
On that vaccine story, because he knows that as soon as he does, it becomes clear that this is a chicken vaccine.
He can't get in any greater depth about his complaints about the impeachment, because if he does, he then has to address the fact that this is the Democrats' opening statements portion of it.
Of course they're doing all the talking.
jordan holmes
This lawyer is grandstanding whenever he says...
dan friesen
Right.
He can't get in any greater depth about how Owen is being singularly persecuted, because if he does, it opens up the possibility of recognizing that left-wing people do get punished for this sort of thing.
He can't get in any greater depth about the no-go zones in France, because if he does...
This primary source that he's going back to doesn't necessarily prove what he's talking about.
He can't.
He has to get overwhelmed by the amount of news because all he can deal with is this surface.
And that is overwhelming, and I feel bad for him.
I don't.
jordan holmes
I mean, what he could really do is, instead of having too much news to cover, he could take a few subjects and really make up some good bullshit about it.
dan friesen
He would have done that 15 years ago, probably.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
He's old, and he's tired, and he's not good at this anymore.
jordan holmes
I guess he's just trying to kill a little bit more time.
dan friesen
He is.
Because you wait enough time, and you get to do stuff like this.
alex jones
So you come here legally, and you're producing?
We need to compete with China and India.
If you adopt our values, great.
But they're not adopting our values because the Democrats have it set up to put them on welfare and brainwash them.
So until that's fixed, I want a moratorium on immigration, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
alex jones
Until it's fixed.
All right.
I'm going to go to break.
Didn't plug once this hour.
We're not bringing in really any money right now.
We got two big sales running.
I really need you to support us and get products you already need.
It's a total win-win, so just take action.
You see InfoWars busting our butts.
dan friesen
Kill some time, get to a pivot.
Not bringing in any money.
jordan holmes
No more immigration whatsoever.
That's what I'm asking for.
I need some money.
dan friesen
That's not even a discussion of illegal, undocumented immigrants.
He just seems to shut it all down.
jordan holmes
Close our borders.
dan friesen
So, Alex is wrestling when he gets back from commercial about how he maybe said he was going to take some calls or talk about news, but he hasn't done any of it.
alex jones
I said I was going to take calls today, but I've got my mind on the news here, because there's a lot of breaking news, and there's also...
Trump and Greta Thunberg is very illustrative.
There's also the latest on the virus.
They're hyping up.
Is it really this mega deadly threat?
I think it is a pretty big threat.
There's a lot of creepy stuff going on.
jordan holmes
Why do you think it's a big threat?
dan friesen
Because he's dumb.
But I mean, it could be a threat.
It sure could.
There's more information that's needed to assess the realities of it and all that stuff.
You can't behave like this in issues of serious public health issues.
It's bad.
The Trump and Greta stuff, who cares?
This is nonsense.
Alex's only point is that she's not complaining about China.
And the issue is that with her advocacy, through the UN, filing a complaint on behalf of the children of a number of countries, she can't complain about China.
They're not signed on to that treaty.
So that kind of...
Falls apart the complaint of like, why isn't she singling out China as opposed to these countries that she has listed?
There is no mechanism in place.
China hasn't signed that treaty.
It's very simple.
jordan holmes
Why am I not calling out China?
Because they're not listening.
I'm talking to you.
So I'm not going to talk to you about China.
That's not going to do anybody any fucking good.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Hey, UN, just so you know, it's all China's fault.
I'm so mad at China, so of course you guys should do everything.
dan friesen
Great.
So, Alex, he has to address something because it's something that Tucker Carlson talked about on his show.
Otherwise, Alex would probably just fucking ignore this because he doesn't want any part of it.
But Tucker has brought it to the mainstream consciousness, and that is the fact that Trump and his Environmental Protection Agency are rolling back restrictions and regulations on atrazine, which, of course, is the chemical that is turning the freaking frogs gay.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
There have been in place restrictions and oversight regulations.
jordan holmes
Regulations, yes.
dan friesen
Testing of water supplies in order to have hard limits.
On what amount of atrazine can be in any drinking water.
jordan holmes
Alex doesn't want any in there because it turns the frogs game.
dan friesen
Right.
But Trump is loosening those regulations and restrictions which will have the effect of leading to more atrazine being in the water which will make more frogs game.
jordan holmes
You can't prove that.
I am sure that private entities as always are willing to regulate themselves and keep from...
dan friesen
That's not Alex's angle.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Because Tucker Carlson has talked about this and Tucker and Alex have a very...
It's a Venn diagram that's a circle of audience, although Alex's circle is much smaller.
Much smaller.
He has to address this.
He can't just sweep this under the carpet.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he has to rationalize.
alex jones
But, you know, there's no perfect way to stop this.
We've just got to take action.
But there's a lot of chemicals that can be used in industry that aren't even in the same class as bad as atrazine.
And the fact that Trump has loosened up.
Restrictions on atrazine when they'd been cracked down on.
He just saw everything the Democrats were restricting as something to shut down America, like clean burning coal and some other things.
And that's true.
dan friesen
Weak.
So, like I said, atrazine's the chemical that's behind the moment that most people probably know Alex for.
The turning the freaking frogs gay rant.
Obviously, Alex doesn't understand the science behind the effects of atrazine pollution, but we've gotten into that in the past, and the more important thing here is that atrazine is not a chemical that's good for people to be exposed to in large quantities.
It's not going to turn people gay, like Alex might suggest, and all the available evidence seems to suggest that he's overblowing the dangers of it, but I feel like no pollution is good pollution, so whatever.
All agree that we should regulate the hell out of these pesticides and herbicides so they're only used appropriately.
Alex shouldn't agree with that.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
He shouldn't agree with that.
But there's no way to put this lightly.
This chemical is a gigantic part of Alex's career.
And now his hero, King Trump, is presiding over an EPA that wants to loosen regulations that experts say could increase atrazine contamination in waterways by up to 50%.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
Another interesting move on the EPA's part is that they adjusted the amount of the chemical that's considered safe for humans to make easier for pollution to go unpunished.
The amount they decided on is taken straight from the primary manufacturer of atrazine, Syngenta.
The company that makes it made a suggestion.
The EPA is following that suggestion.
jordan holmes
Has the EPA just finally admitted to changing its name to the Environmental Destruction Agency?
dan friesen
The Environmental Agency.
jordan holmes
This is insane.
dan friesen
Much like Bolsonaro attacking the press, this is bad, but shouldn't be a surprise for anyone.
Of course, Trump would sell out the safety and protections enjoyed by all the little people in the country to benefit a large business.
That's what he's into.
He's made it super clear.
But Alex can't ignore this one.
Tucker Carlson talked about it, and Atrazine is Alex's turf.
And for his hero to be doing the opposite of fighting against it, well, that's a problem.
Trump not further restricting atrazine would further imply to Alex's audience that he doesn't know or doesn't care about this chemical, which I guess is the angle Alex is going with?
And that seems like a really sad spin.
The best Alex can do is say that the Democrats are pushing regulations on a ton of stuff, so Trump didn't even look into the things that they were regulating and just set about undoing all of it.
That's what a child would do.
Alex is describing an idiot being in charge of the country.
And not for nothing, Alex is also being very clear that the Democrats were the ones who were doing what he wanted, which is to limit atrazine use.
This is true, going back to the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996, which Bill Clinton signed into law.
That was about creating safety standards for pesticides, particularly aimed at protecting children's health.
So yeah, here we have a chemical that Alex believes is a part of a giant globalist attack on the public aimed at feminizing the men so they can't have Western civilization or whatever.
And what do we find?
We find Alex's big enemy, Bill Clinton, signing legislation to restrict its use.
And his hero, Trump, pushing to roll back these regulations and expose more people to it.
And the best Alex can come up with is that Trump is just exposing everyone to dangerous chemicals because the Democrats didn't want him to.
This is pathetic.
This is pathetic.
Even as a propagandist, this is just the weakest shit ever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The Trump years and the last Obama year really changed.
For too long during Obama's years, I defended him.
Why didn't he close down Guantanamo Bay?
Well, these are the political realities of the time, and he's got to spend his capital this way.
And this whole thing with Trump and looking at Alex turning into this fucking weak, toady bullshit, I just realized that, no, there's no defending the president.
Fuck him.
If the president is doing some bullshit, then it doesn't matter what team you're on.
Fucking get on him.
Get on the president.
dan friesen
I think that there are differences.
I think that there's a difference between recognizing political realities and making excuses.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's sometimes a gray thing.
I think that there's sometimes a little bit of six of one, a half dozen of the other.
You know, I understand that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I don't disagree with the point that you're making.
But I also think that...
Taken to its extreme, that argument is an untenable way for things to work.
Not giving anyone ever the benefit of the doubt is going to lead to a completely...
Piranha-like environment where everybody is just throwing bricks at politicians.
jordan holmes
I understand that.
dan friesen
Because they're like, it takes a week for the bill to pass!
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
I understand that.
unidentified
Fuck you, put it through now!
jordan holmes
I just meant that it is a smart idea for us to have a baseline adversarial relationship with our government, regardless of whether or not it is the one that we have voted in.
They need to be held to the fire at all fucking time.
You cannot take...
Take a single moment off.
dan friesen
That adversarial nature needs to be tempered with a collaborative spirit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It has to be, otherwise it gets incredibly out of control.
Of course, of course.
But yeah, point well taken.
I still think even whatever you're describing about your path in the time when you were making excuses for Obama has nothing...
In relation to what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
I'm just saying that this stuff is what has made me really just escape that concept entirely.
dan friesen
It's a teachable moment.
jordan holmes
Watching Alex go this far is the same thing.
It's revealing how silly it is to make excuses at all.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Because this is where you fucking get.
dan friesen
Well, what you end up with is rambling about how...
jordan holmes
Well, it's okay that he's putting this chemical that I've spent my entire career railing about back into the water.
dan friesen
It's not okay.
But the reason he's doing it is because he's just opposed to everything the Democrats do.
So that's even worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's describing.
dan friesen
Because that implies that Trump's decision-making process is completely reactionary and just completely fuck what they want.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that to me is like, well, you're describing then a bad thinking path that leads to decisions that may be right or may be wrong.
I don't trust the process that gets you to the decision.
And therefore, everything is bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's good that that is borne out by fact.
It does seem like literally everything that Obama did is exactly what Trump is trying to undo.
dan friesen
Seems like there's a pattern.
But it's important to recognize that atrazine, it's shrinking dicks.
There's just no way around this.
jordan holmes
Can't avoid it.
alex jones
The last 70 years or so, atrazine in the water, the genitals, this is a uterine deformity that happens in the uterus.
During development of the fetus, where males slowly are having their genitals waste away until soon, men are going to have genitals the size of a woman's clitoris in about two generations.
jordan holmes
Two generations!
alex jones
If you like your sons not having a cock...
Then you're gonna love advertising.
dan friesen
This is a family show.
jordan holmes
Wait, so Trump is getting rid of American cock, Stan?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That we got a chicken vaccine and a cock killer?
dan friesen
This is a family show.
If you like your children having dicks or whatever, oh boy, this is very weird.
jordan holmes
Then don't vote for Trump!
dan friesen
So I looked into it a little bit and there are some instances of like genital malformation that can be attributed to or potentially attributed to atrazine exposure.
But what I think Alex is mistaken, because it's not a giant issue that is noted from Atrazine, I think he's mixing up congenital and genital.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he's mixing up that with the word congenital and thinking it means it has to do with your dicks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That does sound right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Two generations is all it takes to wipe out dicks onto the planet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's surprising.
dan friesen
Yep.
So we're in a serious situation.
And so Alex decides it's time.
Send a message to Trump directly through the show.
alex jones
I wasn't going to talk about this, but I might as well, because really it's a message to the White House.
I've had the White House reach out through a lot of people.
jordan holmes
Save our dicks!
alex jones
Save our dicks!
Because all the phones are tapped and all the rest of it, and when they open up the criminal investigation of myself and Stone, I've been under criminal investigation as a Russian as well.
unidentified
What do we want?
alex jones
And a lot of stuff I can't talk about at this point.
But I've talked to the FBI.
I've been in to see the FBI.
A lot of stuff's going on, okay?
And they obviously know I'm not a Russian and they understand what's happening.
unidentified
But...
I don't want...
alex jones
I don't need Trump to call me.
I don't need Trump to have other journalists contact me and say the president wanted to thank you and really appreciate you and appreciate what you're doing.
I don't need to be patted on the head like I've told Trump when he calls me.
I need action from the president.
We've already seen bold action.
But we need to get on the offensive and we need to indict the deep state.
We need to indict big tech for racketeering and suppression and just every crime you can imagine.
It's open and shut.
We have to go after them.
They're the authoritarians.
They're the danger.
Listen, I like President Trump.
jordan holmes
When do we want him?
Two generations from now.
alex jones
I've already seen the top of Hollywood.
I've seen the top of the U.S. government.
I don't care about all that stuff.
The pomp, the circumstance.
I'm not looking for the pat on the head, Mr. President.
jordan holmes
I'm looking for action.
alex jones
That's all I'm asking for.
And I know you're giving us action on so many fronts.
I'm just simply telling you it's what the people want.
It's what's right.
It's what we need to see happen.
But I know who can take action.
And that's the listeners and the viewers of this broadcast.
We are the voice and the heart and the soul and the spirit of Americana.
The fusion of the Republic in 1776 with real Christianity.
Not fake, in-your-face Pharisees, holier-than-thou stuff.
Just I love God.
I want to take action.
And I know you do, too.
Let's do it together.
And that's why funding us and buying products, InfoWarsStore.com, and signing up for AutoShip to be able to, you know, recurring support us and get great products at the same time is so critical.
So just everybody, commit now.
Step to the plate in the fight for freedom.
dan friesen
This raises a really interesting question, and that is, was that ad pivot part of the message to the White House?
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure it was, yes.
dan friesen
Because, you know, in the same way that, like, when you're praying, it doesn't end until you say amen.
jordan holmes
He didn't put the end quotation on it?
dan friesen
No, it doesn't feel like it.
That still seems like a message to the White House that we need money.
jordan holmes
Trump, you need to get our great products.
While you're wearing a diaper, nothing keeps you from shitting your pants quite like life defense.
dan friesen
I mean, it also does raise the question of, like, why isn't Trump giving them a bunch of money?
Like, he clearly has no...
jordan holmes
Because Trump has never, ever, ever given anyone money.
dan friesen
Right, but to the...
Like, the viewers who believe in everything Alex is saying, obviously Trump is corrupt as shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He would not have any problem with, like, alright, Alex, you need two million dollars?
jordan holmes
Here you go.
Here's your fucking budget.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You get the Ukraine military aid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Through some sort of Byzantine system of hiding money.
He's not.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that actually is kind of, like, the way that Ed Pivot is structured, it really does kind of draw attention to the fact that, like, yeah.
Wait, a lot of right-wing billionaires give tons of money.
Why would you ever have problems money-wise?
jordan holmes
Because billionaires are notorious for their loyalty.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The billionaires are noted for when you stop being useful for them, for them taking care of you, for the work that you've done.
They care so much.
dan friesen
Maybe sometime around.
Oh, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So earlier, Alex was talking a bit about the dicks and how Trump is getting rid of American cocks.
unidentified
That is exactly what Trump is doing.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones says, Trump is shrinking American dicks.
Put that on Right Wing Watch now.
Now!
I want it up there!
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit more about this atrazine situation.
I think you can really see, like, the mechanics behind what he's doing in this clip.
alex jones
I don't have to apologize to corn farmers to tell them that you notice that farmers in those areas have a lot of cancers, a lot of problems, and your daughters can't have children, and your sons basically can't have sex because they don't have genitals.
Now, I mean, you heard, that's putting it lightly, that the testicles don't descend on a lot of people.
That's what gets reported.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
But, you know, if dad's wondering why he had a good-sized Johnson and his son basically doesn't have a penis, it's because atrazine, okay?
It's not a lot of matter.
And, of course, those cancerous sons are going to get.
So they need to ban atrazine, and they've got a lot of other pesticides that don't do this.
Still not good for your liver.
But atrazine bioaccumulates.
table and it stays there for years.
I'm going to tell farmers something.
And yeah, I'm going to try to fund ourselves at the same time.
If you live and get municipal water or you've got well water or you live anywhere near farming, you are insane if you don't use a gravity filter that takes out all the bad chemicals but leaves the good minerals in.
And that's the Alexa Pure Breeze, the highest rated filtration system you're going to find out there for anywhere near the price.
Top rated for 33% off at edfowardstore.com.
dan friesen
This is a perfect example of a situation where it appears like Alex's content on the show is actually being informed by what he sells.
The reason for this is that he doesn't appear to be saying accurate things about atrazine in order to make his farmer listeners scared of their water, then offering them a solution for a price.
All the stuff Alex seems to be getting about dick shrinking, like I said, I think it's, if I had to guess, it's him not understanding what congenital means.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
I think that's what's going on.
jordan holmes
Hey, Johnny Corn Farmer, you want your kid to have a dick?
Well, then you better get this fucking water filter.
dan friesen
I think he just is misunderstanding words and then ranting about them.
From the data I've seen from the NIH, there are some very small indications of possible genital deformations connected to atrazine exposure, but it's nowhere near the top of concerns.
jordan holmes
I'll say they're small.
dan friesen
Like heart-related issues, for example, are far more common.
The big giveaway that Alex is talking shit here is that he says that atrazine bioaccumulates.
This is not true.
According to the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services, if humans take in atrazine, it is, quote, primarily excreted in the urine.
And, quote, some atrazine and its metabolites might enter the organs or fat tissue, but they do not bioaccumulate or build up or remain in the human body.
jordan holmes
So not only do they not, not only do they not, oh man, not even like a little bit.
dan friesen
So that's within the human body, though.
What about in the corn that Alex is talking about?
jordan holmes
What about in chickens?
dan friesen
Well, from the same report by the ATSDR, in their section about atrazine and the environment, quote, atrazine does not tend to bioaccumulate.
Another report put out by the ATSDR found that it doesn't bioaccumulate in fish and, quote, little food chain accumulation of atrazine has been observed.
it does not tend to bioaccumulate.
unidentified
A 2014 paper put out by the Journal of Environmental Science and Pollution Research showed some promise of...
dan friesen
of identifying a particular green microalgae that had the trait of actually accumulating atrazine in it and then biodegrading it within its cells.
This is interesting because most...
Most plants don't behave that way.
Right.
unidentified
And this would be a way of cleaning up places that have atrazine pollution.
dan friesen
Antrazine is a chemical with a fairly short half-life, between 14 and 109 days in the atmosphere.
When it's in the human body, it's only detectable for approximately 48 hours, since it's flushed out really quickly.
None of this is to say that it's perfectly safe or doesn't still pose a risk, particularly in utero, but the story that Alex is telling is specifically not true.
Atrazine is a chemical that researchers have found is not prone to bioaccumulation.
He's saying that it is, or as I call it, lying because it creates a problem for his listeners.
These listeners will then have a reaction of getting scared of their water and how it's going to make their sons have no dicks.
And there is Alex with the perfect solution, this giant water filter that he sells.
Alex talks all the time about the globalists using the Hegelian dialectic, where they create a problem to cause a reaction in the public so they can be there with a solution to the problem they themselves have created.
It turns out that this is also a very apt way to describe Alex's own business model.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if they're doing it...
dan friesen
I don't know if they are.
All the times that Alex has laid out examples of that, it seems like bullshit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Now, they are fictitious, yes.
dan friesen
In the context of Alex's own sales practices, it seems like, oh, you're just doing this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex is talking about having a breakthrough.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Does his filter even filter out the chemical?
You think so?
dan friesen
I would assume so.
jordan holmes
I kind of think it probably won't.
dan friesen
I think that from...
I don't know.
I looked into it quite a while back, but it seems like the filters are actually really good.
jordan holmes
No, I'm sure.
dan friesen
It's a third party that makes these filters, but Alex just sells them.
jordan holmes
I know Alex isn't fucking basket weaving.
dan friesen
No, no.
But also, that's the other thing, too, about this.
These are...
Big fucking purchases.
If he's talking about a farmer getting one of these water filters, these are the ones that are the size of a school bus.
jordan holmes
These are like 20 grand.
dan friesen
He's swinging for the fences in terms of big ticket items.
jordan holmes
Gotta get big ticket items off the shelf.
I imagine they take up a lot of space in the warehouse.
That's why I can't get any more life defense.
There's no shelf space.
dan friesen
These aren't on the shelf.
He gets a cut for any sales that the filter people get.
I know.
So Alex gets to talking about the impeachment, right?
He had a breakthrough about why the impeachment is happening.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you listen carefully, you might miss it if you're not paying attention.
A little subtle plug for his coffee.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Something really hit me.
During the break, I was back there in the coffee room.
I've been visiting that a little bit more today because I didn't have much sleep while I was out of town, so I'm exhausted.
Usually just have maybe two cups by now.
I'm on like cup number four of this Wake Up America coffee.
Which is very strong, so I'm being a very bad boy right now, but it is good.
Whoever knew getting high was so delicious.
jordan holmes
Everybody.
unidentified
Good plug.
dan friesen
Very subtle.
alex jones
And I was watching Adam Schiff.
Ed Buck's big buddy.
Par for the course.
And it just hit me.
And when I say this, this is going to be incredibly obvious.
Oh, wow, Alex, that's...
Tell us the grass is green next, but of all the reasons they keep this impeachment going and the fake investigations going and all of it is, first and foremost, to change the subject from what losers they are and how their cities are collapsing and how corrupt they are and how evil they are and to keep Trump on the defense and to hog up all the time and energy and to be the center of attention.
But the reason they've got to keep the impeachment going as long as possible...
Is there racing to dig up more fake dirt?
jordan holmes
Ah, there we go.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Wait, but the length of the trial has already been set.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So I guess that means we're done here.
dan friesen
I don't care.
I don't care.
His angle on this is stupid.
Like, these aren't even new thoughts.
He's talking about this as a breakthrough.
These are things he yells about all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Stop drinking that coffee.
jordan holmes
It's fourth cup?
That's almost as much as I drink.
dan friesen
You drink way more than that.
jordan holmes
I drink a full pot and a half of coffee every day.
dan friesen
So, this is our last clip, and it's Alex talking about the impeachment some more.
I really thought when I came in on this episode...
I really thought that there was a good likelihood that this was going to be a real breakdown for him, like a real freakout.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
His hero is actually having a trial in the Senate for impeachment.
jordan holmes
Quote, unquote, trial.
dan friesen
Right.
But then when he said this, I realized, like, of course he's not going.
He's not even going to talk about it for the most part.
jordan holmes
Doesn't care.
alex jones
And that's all this is, is sucking all the oxygen out of the room.
And so that's why...
I'm not going to cover the impeachment very much or the trial.
When Republicans do their defense after almost three and a half, four months of this BS, I will cover that.
dan friesen
So I'm just going to cover the Republicans.
jordan holmes
I'm only going to cover the Republicans.
dan friesen
I'm really only going to talk about what Jim Jordan ends up saying and, you know, hey, we're just going to pretend all the other stuff doesn't exist.
So just in advance, know that there are going to be...
Very, very biased coverage on my show.
jordan holmes
That reminds me so much of Andy Daly's podcast pilot project whenever he's doing the character and he's just like, I don't understand.
The prosecution shouldn't be allowed to say anything.
Here's how the trial works.
I give my defense.
You guys say I didn't do it and then we go home.
What do you mean the prosecution?
That's a miscarriage of justice to even have the prosecution.
Why are they allowed to talk?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
dan friesen
So anyway, I don't expect it to be very fertile pastures for us to cover Alex's coverage of the impeachment.
So that might free up some time and make it much less of a priority to talk about the present day.
jordan holmes
Also, on the other hand, it makes...
It's almost even more damning just to listen to the Republican defense of it, just because what could they possibly have other than it's a deep state conspiracy?
dan friesen
Right, and that's right in line with what Alex wants to cover.
Basically, all I hear is him just abdicating any kind of responsibility to address points that are brought up by non-Nunes, Trump's lawyers, Jim Jordan types.
He doesn't want it.
He doesn't want to address any kind of thing that's not already implicitly and intrinsically on his side.
Yeah.
So great.
Enjoy.
That's the definition of being in a bubble.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So great, Alex.
Have fun with that.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing that this one will never burst.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think that the most important thing here that I enjoyed is the narrative about this institute with the chicken vaccine.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's too good.
dan friesen
I can't...
jordan holmes
That it turns out to be a chicken vaccine is just...
dan friesen
I can't stress enough.
These large things that Alex presents as narratives, almost always, without fail, you just look into them a little bit more...
And you end up finding that he knows nothing about what he's talking about.
It's all just bullshit.
And this and the Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment, they're just two prime examples of him trying to make hay out of bullshit.
And it's just laughable.
This is just sad shit.
jordan holmes
How anybody could confuse them, or ever.
Confused them with an actual journalistic outlet is mind-boggling.
dan friesen
That's because they're fun to some people.
jordan holmes
I mean, well, yeah.
dan friesen
They're more entertaining.
And they get you in with the yelling about gay frogs.
You're laughing before you know it.
You're like, yeah, this guy's entertaining.
jordan holmes
This guy's got some things to say.
dan friesen
You can't be wrong about everything.
jordan holmes
No, it's literally not possible to be wrong about everything.
dan friesen
Oh my god, look, he's right.
jordan holmes
It turns out it is literally possible to be wrong about everything.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
Anyway, we'll be back on Monday, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
Now go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook, and if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes, download, leave a review, donate to the show, et cetera.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm a chicken vaccine.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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