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Dec. 30, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#382: December 23-27, 2019

In Knowledge Fight’s #382, Alex Jones and guest Steve Pieczenik (a self-proclaimed ex-spy chief) push wild claims—Epstein’s survival via "ear discrepancies," Rabin’s assassination as a "depression-related coup," and Texas/Florida seceding despite $506B in federal funds. Jones frames Trump’s enemies as Satanic pedophiles, demands Stone’s pardon before his Feb. 7 sentencing, and urges callers to chant violent slogans while monetizing their rage via Infowars merch. Richard Reeve’s absurd "flag expansion" fantasy (adding Uruguay or Australia) underscores the show’s blend of conspiracy theater and financial exploitation, leaving hosts Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes to warn of its real-world dangers—fueling QAnon-style violence without accountability. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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alex jones
infowars 27:19
d
dan friesen
01:05:44
j
jordan holmes
21:28
Appearances
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steve pieczenik
03:06
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Rattler.
alex jones
I need fight.
I need money.
unidentified
Rattler.
alex jones
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Pandy.
jordan holmes
Stop.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
It's time to pray.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the earth for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fixed ten color.
I'm here today.
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like, sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
You have read mountains of material for this show over the past year.
jordan holmes
But Daniel.
Dan, have you read anything in 2019 that you enjoyed?
No.
All right.
unidentified
Short ends.
jordan holmes
Moving on.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Have not.
I had started out the year with an intention of having, for recreational reading, I was going to try and read as much Philip K. Dick as I could.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
I was going to try and read chronologically through Philip K. Dick and figure out what went wrong.
Where did he start out completely insane?
Right.
Was it a gradual process?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I made it through like maybe three or four of his books before I just got too busy with all this show-related reading.
I just didn't have a whole lot of time for that recreational reading.
I decided to use Last Crazy, certainly, in the late 50s when she started with like Bring Yourselves Together, I believe.
That was the first book.
First few just kind of left me cold and left me.
Maybe 2020.
Maybe I'll get it back on it, start back over on the list.
But yeah, maybe, I don't know, we'll see.
Unfortunately, as I've discovered, I do enjoy reading stuff for this show more than I enjoy necessarily early.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
You're right.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy, that's a damning indictment.
dan friesen
I would rather read John Birch Society materials than sci-fi.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's where we're at.
jordan holmes
That's where that's 2019 in a nutshell.
dan friesen
I suppose so.
Happy New Year.
jordan holmes
Put a button on it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're doing the Alex Jones Christmas Spectacular.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
To refresh everyone's memory, last year on Christmas Eve, Alex Jones did an episode where he got drunk and threw hatchets around the studio.
It was maybe one of the more fun things we had.
jordan holmes
It was a highlight.
It was a highlight.
dan friesen
If you've not listened to that episode, I highly recommend everyone go back and listen to last Christmas Eve's 2018 episode because it's bizarre.
Alex tries to hit one of his cameras with a hatchet.
jordan holmes
He genuinely does.
dan friesen
Explicitly is disappointed that he didn't hit one of his own.
unidentified
Very expensive device.
dan friesen
So that set the bar pretty high.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's going to be tough to top that.
dan friesen
Today we're going to be going over December 23rd through 27th of Alex's show.
And unfortunately, it's only actually the 23rd and the 27th because Alex took off for the holidays.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
He just had rebroadcast and best of episodes for Christmas Eve, Christmas.
jordan holmes
Were there hatchet throwing in them?
dan friesen
That is the best of.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
But no, I did not listen to his best of.
All right.
All right.
So we'll get down to business, see what he does for the holidays this year.
Before we get to that, we've got to take a little moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first, Peter, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Peter.
dan friesen
Thank you, Pete.
Next, Melissa.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Melissa.
dan friesen
Thanks, Melissa.
Next, Janina.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jelena.
Janina.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Next, Kevin.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Kevin.
dan friesen
Thank you, Kevin.
Next, I downloaded TikTok as a joke.
Now I'm hopelessly addicted.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks.
dan friesen
I downloaded TikTok as a joke, and now I am hopelessly addicted.
Thank you so much.
Next, Wyatt.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Wyatt.
dan friesen
Next, Liana.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Liana.
dan friesen
Thank you, Liana.
Next, Morgan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Morgan.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, Elizabeth.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Elizabeth.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And then finally, Mick.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Mick.
dan friesen
Thank you, Mick.
If you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed this show.
I'd like to support these gents too.
You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It'd be delightful.
dan friesen
So now, Jordan, we have two out-of-context drops for today's show.
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas indeed, Dan.
dan friesen
And one of them is, I guess they're both kind of upsetting, but here's the first one.
alex jones
Of course, we're violent.
Of course, we're crazy.
Everybody wants to come here.
That's who we are.
Let's embrace it.
We're maniacs.
dan friesen
That seems pretty.
jordan holmes
I mean.
dan friesen
Hey, we're nuts.
Let's do this.
Now, the flip side, the flip side of that.
alex jones
And I almost feel like I'm being a little whiny bitch.
dan friesen
Okay.
It's got a lot of mood swings, a lot of ups and downs.
jordan holmes
I enjoy Christmas music swelling behind a man saying, I feel like a whiny bitch.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Merry Christmas, Alex.
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas, Alex.
dan friesen
So Alex starts on the 23rd here complaining because everyone that he knows and he works with is shadow banned.
jordan holmes
They're all doing everybody got shadow banned.
dan friesen
Well, they're all doing such great investigative work, but it doesn't matter because they're shadow banned.
And honestly, this just made me laugh a lot because I would describe this as Alex having a false start on the episode and getting a penalty.
alex jones
You know, one of my greatest frustrations is one of my greatest joys.
It's that my crew, our reporters, our researchers, just churn out five-star research and information.
Like that John Bound report.
That is so incredibly important.
Shadow banned everywhere.
The only place you're going to find it is a banned.video.
And if you get excited to share it, millions will see it.
If not, the enemy will win.
We'll be right back with the full launch.
dan friesen
Shadow banned.
jordan holmes
Shadow banned.
dan friesen
I feel like that's a false start because he's like, we'll be back with the real launch of the show.
This isn't the real launch.
It did seem like that.
Guys, we would do this over.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's take this one more time.
dan friesen
I just complimented John Bown too much.
Start it over.
So I would say about the first 20 minutes or so of this episode is just Alex trying to stress that the audience, to the audience, that without them, he can't do anything.
He keeps using this metaphor that the audience is the gun and he himself is creating bullets for them to shoot.
These bullets are useless without guns, and he really needs you to shoot people with his information.
jordan holmes
I don't like this metaphor very much.
dan friesen
I mean, if you're in an info war, there would be info guns.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's something that Alex says a lot, but there seems to be a particular focus on this episode of this idea that, you know, it almost feels like there was a meeting behind the scenes where they decided that they really need to focus on raising engagement.
This needs to be the focus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex is spending the first 20 minutes of his show being like, you guys need to repost my shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You need to shoot the bullets.
Alex also promises there's a big report on Epstein coming that he's working on with Rob Dew and an alleged whistleblower.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's saying it's bombshell stuff, but given our recent developments with Rob and sources, I don't feel like we should put too much stock into that.
jordan holmes
Right.
Is he going to remove a computer chip from Epstein's corpse?
dan friesen
No, this dad also does not come back.
jordan holmes
That also does not come back.
dan friesen
I've not heard hide nor hair of this in-studio surgery.
jordan holmes
Unsurprising.
dan friesen
Alex also promises a big report on the evils of vaccines set to drop on Christmas morning, which you can then post all over social media and hopefully ruin everyone you know's holiday.
The war on Christmas isn't saying happy holidays, it's producing nonsense anti-vex social media content for everyone to put all over the place.
You wake up, you're like, what the fuck?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, that makes Christmas lunch so much better.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the first 20 minutes, half hour of the show is just this.
Like, repost my shit.
We got this Epstein report coming.
Anti-vax special.
unidentified
Ha ha.
Woo!
dan friesen
How exciting.
So it's very dry territory.
And then Alex lets us know we have big things coming.
alex jones
I've been interviewing Dr. Steve Pieczenik.
Who really was a spy chief, really did overthrow governments on record.
A character Jack Ryan's based on for 18 years since 2002, since early 2002.
February 2002 is for Smyrna interviewed him.
He's going to be on with us for an hour and a half, starting at the bottom of the next hour to cover the waterfront.
A lot of stuff he just wants to get out there before this year ends.
And he's ready to release a lot of information.
I'll just leave it at that.
dan friesen
Steve Pieczenik coming back on for Christmas.
jordan holmes
What did he have all this information in his garage or something?
He's like, oh, we got to get this out of here by the end of the year.
Should have put this out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's got actually a really big revelation.
I will say that there is an admission that Steve makes on the show that, first of all, I don't believe were true would be internationally important.
jordan holmes
I got to be honest, guys.
I'm the Zodiac killer.
It's me.
dan friesen
I was there the whole time.
That's on his style because the Zodiac killer didn't attack heads of state.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll get to that when we get to it, but there is something definitely big that Steve has to.
He has a Christmas gift, let's say.
So in this next clip, Alex talks about how, like, hey, man, you know, a lot of people are awake now.
You know, people are awake.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's a real victory.
unidentified
Is it?
dan friesen
Well, when he talks about it being a real victory that all these people are awake to the power structure and what have you, he compares it to a different victory that happened historically.
And I do feel like he's comparing that victory unfavorably to the current victory.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You'll understand what I'm saying here in a second.
alex jones
You know, it was 3% started and saw through the Revolutionary War against an empire, never been defeated.
Ladies and gentlemen, we've probably got 30% of the public that's hardcore aware now and know how the system works.
It was probably 10% five years ago.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
When you got 30% aware of what's going on, if they decide to move and take action economically, militarily, spiritually, it's over.
So I'm going to explain something here.
This isn't an overly positive statement.
It's truth.
We have won.
And we won back at Calvary with Jesus Christ.
When God took on our sins as a sacrifice and gave us an example to live by.
We've really won now.
And the globalists know that.
They just want to take as many innocent people with them as they can.
As many souls.
dan friesen
So I don't know if you want to, like a couple days before Christmas, particularly want to be talking about how when Jesus died for your sins, that was a victory.
But now, this is a real victory.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It does seem to be just based on sentence structure that Alex believes somehow 30% of the population believing what he believes is a greater victory than Jesus dying for our sins on the cross.
jordan holmes
I believe he is comparing his current state of the info.
unidentified
Also, he's shitting a little bit on the Revolutionary War, too.
And isn't that also an insult to the 30% where he's like, it only took 3% to start the Revolutionary War.
jordan holmes
We got 30%.
None of you idiots are doing anything.
dan friesen
Wow, it's defensive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's defensive now.
Sure.
Yeah, I think there's a piece of it that's certainly offensive to the Revolutionary War, but I think I'm more interested, a little more interested in denigrating what should be a pivotal moment in history for him.
jordan holmes
He's got Jesus on the brain.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And naturally, when you're thinking about Jesus on Christmas, you have to throw a little shade on him and tell him that he didn't do shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You started the victory, but the real victory is in 2019.
dan friesen
Did Jesus dying on the cross tell 30% of the population about the globalists?
No.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
They didn't even.
3% didn't even believe him back then.
dan friesen
Jesus didn't even sell Iodan.
unidentified
Praise Jesus on this, his holiest birthday.
jordan holmes
Maybe next time you'll reserve up to me, but I got this one, buddy.
dan friesen
Weird.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has got news, you know, just tons of it.
And it's very important stuff, too.
Like comedian Michelle Wolf made a joke.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex is not happy about it.
Sure.
alex jones
This is cancer.
And it wants to normalize itself to you.
But here is Michelle Wolf in her latest event on stage in front of a couple thousand people cheering, talking about a mother killing her baby so that she has power and plays God.
There's never been a more satanically pure statement made.
This is the definition of Satanism.
Here it is.
unidentified
You know, we talk about it so negatively that you feel like you should have this sense of shame after you get an abortion.
Well, you can feel any way you want after you get an abortion.
Get one.
See how you feel.
You know how my abortion made me feel very powerful.
You know, people say you can't play.
jordan holmes
I am God.
unidentified
Don't knock it until you try it.
And when you do try it, really knock it.
You know, you got to get that baby out of there.
alex jones
Normalizing that a mother's power is killing her baby for her own satanic selfishness and enjoying it and cheering it.
dan friesen
So, I mean, you can see what's going on here.
This is completely bizarre.
Like, Alex in the past, the very recent past, has made a huge deal out of being one of those free speech types, especially as it relates to comedy.
All the people complaining about racism are just uptight SJWs.
PewDiePie is just joking when he has people hold up signs and say, kill the Jews.
It's totally a fun joke how Count Dankula taught his dog to seek Heil.
It's comedy and encroaching on comedy is an attack on language and the First Amendment.
But now Michelle Wolf has made a joke he disagrees with, so it's pure Satanism.
This is just sad.
And more to the point, it's lazy.
It's lazy as hell.
Alex provides no cogent argument for why this joke Michelle Wolfe made is normalizing something, and the other jokes he's defended that offended other people are not.
The exact same line of attack he's taking here applies equally well to Count Ankula's supposed joke.
He's normalizing Nazism.
Here, Alex is embodying the very behavior he claims to hate so much in the left.
And if I were Paul Joseph Watson, I would make a video complaining that he's virtue signaling.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
He went out of his way to record promo after promo, adopting a racist Asian accent.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because it would offend the libs.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's all he and he, and now we're getting a really tame joke.
dan friesen
Michelle Wolfe made a joke.
Michelle Wolfe made a joke.
jordan holmes
I can't handle it.
Oh, all I hear is exhausted screeching.
That's all I hear.
Just ah!
dan friesen
It's just, I mean, I'm more offended by the laziness.
jordan holmes
It's fine if I do it.
It's wrong if you do it.
Moving on.
dan friesen
Right.
That's it.
Good times.
jordan holmes
God, what an asshole.
dan friesen
So there's other news.
jordan holmes
Is there?
dan friesen
Did you know?
jordan holmes
Is there more news about Michelle Wolf?
Because I feel like that's going to come up again.
dan friesen
No, not Michelle.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I think it probably does come back up later, but not in any greater detail.
Just more.
Michelle Wolf is a Satanist or something.
Did you know that recently a town of cannibals was discovered?
Because it wasn't, but Alex is reporting that it was.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
All over the world, civilizations are discovered that had plenty of water and plenty of food when they collapsed.
And there's not even signs of disease, but they're all gone.
And you know what they always find?
Giant masses of skeletons that have been eaten.
Just a few months ago, archaeologists in Germany found a town in Germany that's about 8,000 years old.
And they found tens of thousands of skeletons that had been butchered and eaten.
And the scientists studied it and found out they were people from all over Europe, some of them over 2,000 miles away that had been taken there to be eaten.
I meant to cover that story on air.
You can just type it in.
Stone Age town found in Germany was based on cannibalism.
You're like, why would they do that?
jordan holmes
I don't know why they would do that.
Why would they do that?
dan friesen
That sounds out there.
jordan holmes
It just doesn't seem like a sustainable model, really.
dan friesen
Alex is talking about a recent discovery in modern-day Poland of a site near the fucking country right now.
Nope.
Well, I mean, to be fair, there was Germanic tribes, and so it's easy to confuse.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
At this site, archaeologists have found 12 burial pits that appear to go back to the first century BCE.
One of the things that they're saying is really notable about this find is that the people there were buried using different types of funeral rituals.
That isn't super shocking since Poland is in the middle of an area where there's a rich archaeological tradition with very old sites from various Germanic tribes being found fairly regularly, but it's still not like why that's the case is not a completely answered question.
Like, why are there so many different styles of burial in the same site?
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
So the varying funeral traditions, as well as the presence of trinkets from pretty far away, are both aspects of the site that make it a very compelling one for researchers.
But literally, nothing I can find about this story involves cannibals.
There's no indication that anyone was brought to this town from far away to be eaten.
There are no archaeologists who are studying the actual site or saying any of this kind of stuff.
Quite frankly, unless there's some stories that I'm missing, and I've read a number of them, so I don't know.
Maybe there's some weird one that I missed.
I'm inclined to say that Alex is literally making all of this up.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
You have to take cannibalism a little bit more seriously, Dan.
This is not something you can joke about.
unidentified
I have an abortion or whatever.
dan friesen
I have two possible explanations for what I think might be going on.
The first is that he might be making this up because I know that he never reads stories, just he reads headlines and then riffs on them.
The headline in The Express about the discovery of this site is: quote, Archaeology Shock: Gruesome discovery of mass graves and mystery urns stuns archaeologists, which you could see Alex turning into a story of finding the remains of a cannibal community.
It's gruesome.
Mass grave.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Express.
You guys are great.
dan friesen
The rest of the details that Alex repeats about this, most of them are in the sub-headline.
So it would be a pretty easy bet that Alex just saw the headline, his brain interpreted it, and turned it to what we just heard.
jordan holmes
Sure, cannibals.
dan friesen
And none of that's based on anything except his fucked up head.
The other possible explanation is that Alex is taking details from this new dig site and combining it with details about Herxheim, a very famous grave, mass grave site in Germany that was discovered in 1996 and definitely showed signs of ritualistic cannibalism taking place at the time of about 5000 BCE.
A 2009 study of that site, Herxheim, did strongly suggest that the inhabitants there practiced cannibalism based on particular cut wounds found on bones.
But that's not really a consensus among the academic community.
Some believe that it's more likely that the dead had rituals performed on them where their flesh was removed from their body before being buried, which isn't historically or archaeologically unheard of.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The point here is that even if Alex is just combining these two sites into one, even the most ghastly stuff about Herxheim is not concretely proven.
And there's a large element of this story that's absolutely just coming from Alex and his imagination.
They all collapse.
That's collapse into cannibalism.
They find it everywhere.
It's the same thing with the Black Pyramid stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're just making this shit up.
jordan holmes
I'm leaning more towards my theory that Alex will always bring up cannibalism if he is hungry.
That is my new theory that I'm working on.
Because every time he brings up cannibalism, he does have a certain amount of like, they used to eat people.
He used to just gnash them up.
They used to pull the marrow out of their bones.
I'm so fucking hungry.
I want a chicken wing.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Like, that's just how I feel about it.
dan friesen
You have a compelling theory here.
I don't know how we would test that, but maybe we start sending Snickers bars to the InfoWars Studios when language stops.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then whenever we cut off the Snickers bars, uh-oh, talking about cannibalism all over again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's the, I mean, it's the 23rd.
Alex knows he's going on break after this for the holiday.
Sure.
And I would say that there is not much Christmas talk.
jordan holmes
That's not surprising.
dan friesen
It's surprising to me.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's feeling very Christmassy.
alex jones
Oh, he isn't.
jordan holmes
He's getting taken down from all sides.
dan friesen
Yeah, he is not feeling in the spirit.
jordan holmes
He's very scroogey right now.
dan friesen
But there is a little bit of religious talk, but it's all the same standard stuff.
Like, basically.
jordan holmes
I'm better than Jesus, the InfoWar one.
dan friesen
That was weird.
That was weird.
But God gave him a mission.
That kind of shit.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So that's a little bit here in this next clip.
alex jones
We've got to strike while the iron's hot.
God isn't giving us this type of providence and protection because we're so great.
It's happening because we're willing to do it, and God will use these imperfect vessels.
But we have been given the commission to fight the enemy, and we will carry it out.
And I'll tell you this: a lot of people can see that I've lost a lot of weight.
It's almost 40 pounds now.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
alex jones
I'm eating the same way I was.
Everything, except I am religiously taking the supplements.
unidentified
Boom.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Christmas spirit.
jordan holmes
I am religiously taking this.
Oh, God.
dan friesen
The reason for the season is a lot of ad pivots.
There are so many in this episode.
Just constant.
God gave me a mission.
I'm going to carry it out.
And I'll tell you what, I've lost a lot of weight.
Everyone knows it.
They can see it.
And it's because I'm taking my supplement.
jordan holmes
Sacrament, more like supplement, my friend.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm doing.
dan friesen
It's really intense, the level of pivoting that's going on on this episode.
jordan holmes
Man, you know, these guys, they just, these are the same people who are decrying how materialist the holidays have become.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So materialist.
dan friesen
There is an irony to that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
There is an irony.
So Alex comes back from break and he wants to talk about some of the good stuff that's happening in the world.
Some of the signs that things are going well.
And one of them has to do with, I think he's making up numbers, polling numbers.
alex jones
But something I want to get into right now is some very good news.
Young people in major polls, I got several articles on it, are against abortion of any type.
And it's accelerating the younger people get into teenage years of over 70% in most polls, some are in the 60s.
And it's women, girls that are leading the charge in that, which shows all their propaganda is backfiring.
And so the attempt to say, oh, it's fun to kill babies, try it out.
Well, that's not going to work either.
So there's a real revulsion happening.
dan friesen
Against Michelle Wolfe's joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who's doing those polls on Michelle Wolfe jokes?
dan friesen
I can't even find anything close to the data that Alex is using here.
I have no idea.
Like, nothing I can find comes close to the contention that 60 to 70% of young people are opposed to all abortion.
In fact, all the credible data I can find on this issue is the exact opposite.
The most recent polling from Pew Research from this summer had support for all or most abortion being legal, standing at 61%, which is the highest point that question has polled at in over 20 years.
The only groups that have levels of opposition to abortion that are close to what Alex is saying are white evangelicals at 77% and Republicans at 62%.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
I honestly have no idea what polls Alex is talking about.
And he never says, and I can't find an article about this on InfoWars, so I have to assume he's either just making it up, saw a meme, or something.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think he polled a youth Bible study.
I think he pulled a youth Bible study at the church that he doesn't go to anymore.
Something like that.
Because.
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What?
Young people are opposed to all abortion?
dan friesen
Oh, come on, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All cases.
I don't know.
And every single article that I can find has headlines like the next generation is leading the charge greater access to reproductive health.
Like all of them.
So I don't know.
jordan holmes
Every article about the next generation is either they are leading the charge in the fight to make the world a better place or they're destroying craft breweries.
Those are the only two types of article about the young people.
dan friesen
I think that there's more ideological diversity in the young set than some articles may paint it to be.
Exactly.
But I can't find any actual indication that there's 60 to 70% universal opposition to abortion.
jordan holmes
Especially among young women.
You know.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's great.
I would just say I need a citation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would like one too.
I would like one too.
dan friesen
And it is not given.
So this is interesting.
Alex plays a special report.
Maybe he was hungry and needed to get a snack.
Maybe you're on to something.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a special report, I guess.
I mean, you could call it a special report.
It's really just a segment of Howard Stern's show where they have a guy doing an Alex impression, making fun of him.
The whole thing is like this guy doing the impression, he's just hawking products shamelessly and saying stupid shit.
So it's a pretty accurate piece of parody.
Honestly, I feel like Alex would only play that if he thought his audience is completely on the hook.
Because the risk of them seeing someone making fun of how Alex sells shit and realizing that's not parody.
That's exactly what Alex does seems high.
It seems like a high likelihood.
jordan holmes
It does seem like the emperor walking around with no clothes is not lying anymore.
He's just like, I'm fucking naked.
You tell me I'm wearing clothes.
I don't even give a shit anymore.
dan friesen
It's weird.
But I suspect at this point, Alex needs to self-aggrandize more than he needs to pretend he isn't just running an extended conspiracy infomercial.
So the fact that he's important enough to be made fun of by Howard Stern is something he could bank on.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's the biggest radio show ever in the last 20 years.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They make fun of me because I'm relevant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the only thing worse than people talking about me is people not talking about me.
So, yeah, yeah, I get that.
dan friesen
He plays a whole segment of it.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
He plays a whole segment of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
How long?
Like 15 minutes?
dan friesen
No, no.
But I mean, it's maybe like five, four or five minutes, but it's still extended.
jordan holmes
That's long.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So after that, we get our guest.
alex jones
I want to say Merry Christmas to all of our audience and to Dr. Steve Pieczenik.
I'm not going to get into this whole bio, but he helped run the Camp David accord.
That's how long he's been around, helped found Delta Force, done a whole bunch of stuff since then.
He's on record overthrowing governments.
He's talked about it on air before and gotten called into federal court over it.
I mean, so he's got to be careful about type of stuff he gets to here on air.
But you talk about a source.
There's all these Q fantasies and stuff.
I mean, this is a real guy that's been around a long time and knows a lot of stuff.
This is a real deal.
dan friesen
This is a real deal.
Not that Q bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's really mad at Q, though.
So Steve is on.
And I love the way that even like the two times that Alex has talked about Steve already in this episode, it's been like, he really has done this.
Yeah, I know.
As if he's defensive.
jordan holmes
I was the first time he went through Steve's, I was like, who are you talking about?
Are you telling me or are you telling you?
Because I'm not convinced either way.
dan friesen
I swear to God, he's not bullshitting.
He is bullshitting.
jordan holmes
One time, I think he might have gone to Korea for me, guys.
I think he might have.
He didn't, but I think he might have.
dan friesen
So it's really interesting that Alex prefaces this by saying that Steve needs to be very careful about what he says on air.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because immediately out of the gates, Steve says something he should not say on air.
steve pieczenik
And ironically, now I can say because an Israeli operative died, I was involved in a coup, which Israelis did not know, the assassination of Rabin.
This is the first ever heard of because I had interviewed Rabin and I found him to be exceedingly depressed.
I related to one of BB's right-hand man, and in turn, Rabin was assassinated, not for the Oslo agreement, but because he was so depressed he could not function.
dan friesen
I don't even want to play games where I start taking anything Steve says seriously, but it's fun that he's now announcing he was involved in the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.
jordan holmes
Is he proud of that?
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like it.
jordan holmes
It seems like he's proud of it.
And not even that.
He just told somebody that he seemed depressed and then they assassinated him.
That's his idea of him being involved in assassination.
dan friesen
He explains it later and he like he talked to some like Mossad guy.
steve pieczenik
Sure.
jordan holmes
He's like, this dude is really depressed.
Just so you know, I'm worried about him.
We should get him some help.
No, you killed him.
Okay.
Well, you know, there are two ways to solve that problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's absurd.
Small point to bring up here, though, is that Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, which would have been in the Clinton years.
And I don't think that even in Steve's fake story of his life, he was supposed to have been at the State Department under Clinton.
No, no.
As I recall, he pretends that he was there under Bush Sr. and Reagan, but I don't remember it extending past into the Clinton.
jordan holmes
I assume that as more agents from around the world die, we're going to find out he's been involved in a lot more assassinations.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
I bet.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I was in the State Department when Kennedy was shot.
dan friesen
Man, I don't know.
Maybe this is part of his mythology.
jordan holmes
I am, Sir Hanser Hans.
dan friesen
Maybe it is part of his mythology that he was there under Clinton, but either way, there's no evidence he was there past 1979, so I don't believe any of this shit.
Alex really wants Steve to talk about Epstein on this episode.
He really wants to get Steve's take on it.
Meanwhile, Steve wants to promote his new memoir.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
I am very excited to read.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
That is going to be the greatest work of fiction I think I've ever heard of.
dan friesen
Alex is not all that interested in helping Steve plug his book too much.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Really wants to talk about Epstein.
But then he gets a little bit more than he asked for because Steve is still on the Epstein is still alive kick.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And now he's also fully on board with Epstein was working to compromise people on behalf of Massad as his narrative.
Okay.
Part of Israeli intelligence.
jordan holmes
Oh, right.
Okay.
dan friesen
Which is not a road Alex necessarily wants to go down or anything.
In the past, we've often seen Alex be confronted by far-out conspiracy theories coming from Steve.
He'll often resist their insanity for a little while, but in time, he starts to weaken.
Steve is very persuasive, and Alex is gullible.
And we start to see this dynamic playing out again.
alex jones
It is true that the body they took out of the stretcher has a, and this was mainline photos, AP, you name it, is not the same ear.
The ear doesn't even look halfway the same.
Put that back on screen, please, guys.
That's from the photo of the Daily Mail everybody ran.
That is a real photo, and it's not even the same ear.
It looks nothing like it.
dan friesen
So Alex is now helping Steve create support for his Epstein Still Alive that was his body narrative.
That's wild.
And right off the bat, those pictures mean nothing.
Even if the pictures used for comparison had no obvious problems with them, it would still probably mean nothing.
But they do have serious problems.
jordan holmes
Of course they do.
dan friesen
For one, the picture of Epstein alive that they use for the comparison was taken 15 years ago.
The only facial features that are supposedly suspicious and being different in the pictures are the nose and ears, which are made of cartilage and change in appearance over time, sometimes significantly.
unidentified
One thing that changes over time is cartilage.
jordan holmes
Your ears are all Jesus.
dan friesen
This is some super flimsy, super dumb conspiracy clickbait shit that Alex is now using to help prop up the mad ramblings of Steve Pieczenik.
In the past, I've talked a lot about how Alex keeps getting fooled by Steve into believing stuff that gets him in trouble.
But honestly, I've seen it happen enough now, and I keep seeing Alex do it to himself.
I don't know if he thinks that what he's doing is playing Devil's Advocate, but in reality, Alex is just talking himself into believing Steve, which has been a huge disaster.
I don't know why he keeps doing this.
jordan holmes
It seems like he's always doing a two-man game with Steve that he doesn't know he's a part of.
Because he is respecting Steve for being the guy who probably is involved with all assassinations over any international period of time.
He's killed everybody.
dan friesen
If you believe Steve Pieczenik, you have to believe that he has set in motion literally every important thing that has happened in the geopolitical scene for like the last 50 years.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's the most important figure in the world.
I can't even put it into words.
jordan holmes
Between him and Leo Zagami, we have everything from prior to and post 9-11, including 9-11.
Yeah.
But Alex is always trying to like, like in that clip, you know, he's like, okay, well, you said something that sounds crazy, but you know, when you think about it, the ear didn't look the same.
So I suppose, you know, that part of your theory is correct.
dan friesen
That's the part where I'm saying he's every time.
jordan holmes
Every time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we even heard him do some of that stuff with the Sandy Hook.
Even when Steve was coming on saying there were actors, Alex was like, well, maybe.
And that's why I think that Alex shouldn't ever try to play Devil's Advocate because he's not good at it.
He ends up tricking himself.
jordan holmes
Mulder shouldn't play Devil's Advocate.
dan friesen
No.
So, you know, Epstein's still alive.
And also, now we get into impeachment.
The impeachment is the Swan.
jordan holmes
I'm actually impeaching him, Alex.
dan friesen
It's the Swan song for the Democrats and Nancy Pelosi.
But also, it turns out it's the end of something else that Alex shouldn't be into.
steve pieczenik
The other part is the impeachment part, where Nancy Pelosi is basically the joker in this movie, where in her own mind, she thinks she's wonderful.
This is her Swan song, but this is the Swan song to the entire House of Representatives, because in a time where we really don't need representatives in an arcane model, we are working with the internet.
We're not a democracy.
If we had a democracy, as Ross Barrow said, we would be punching our computers and just voting constantly on our own.
So basically, the representational government will decrease in importance to governors in the South.
dan friesen
desantis will become more important so representative government is gonna it's already done it's i mean The end.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
Fuck representative government.
The last time Steve was on, he's talking about how due process is not important.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
He's trying to stretch away a whole lot.
jordan holmes
Steve is an out-and-out fascist to a level that I find.
dan friesen
He's also really brazen about these things.
And Alex doesn't seem to at all recognize that what he's talking about is pretty much complete deconstruction of a lot of the structure of government that is in the Constitution.
jordan holmes
It does seem like Alex loves and defends the Constitution against all attack.
But if he likes you and you say you want to remove the Constitution entirely, he's like, yeah, that sounds cool.
dan friesen
If you want to knock down Pillars of the West like due process, you're free to, as long as you are fun.
jordan holmes
It does seem like he just wants to rewrite the Constitution into just the Second Amendment.
The Constitution that they all want is just don't take our guns.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
And we get to own things, and if you take them, we'll kill you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Don't take our guns and allow us to use them indiscriminately.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So also, we learned that Steve is responsible for the death of Itzak Rabin, which is big news.
jordan holmes
Well, he was depressed.
dan friesen
I can't believe this didn't make all the bombshell.
Didn't read about this in the Gray Lady.
I really would have expected to see that on the New York Times front page.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
They're too busy being racist.
dan friesen
Spy Chief Killed his Acrobine, admits to it on dumb show.
That's a big bombshell.
Another big bombshell is that apparently, I don't know.
I guess Steve is a member of the Screen Actors Guild.
jordan holmes
What?
steve pieczenik
Hollywood is finished.
When you get a movie like The Irishman, which costs $180 million and it's junk, I vote for the Academy Awards and I'll vote for a movie like Harriet that costs $3 million, but $180 million for Robert De Niro, who doesn't even serve our country, who shoots his mouth off against the president, a man who's never had a formal education, a man who went to the Red School, which is a communist school, never really could articulate anything or write anything decent,
shoots his mouth off.
dan friesen
I kept that clip in largely to give you a flavor of like, this is kind of a lot of how Steve talks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This makes no sense.
jordan holmes
This makes no sense.
dan friesen
So Steve votes for the Oscars.
I could kind of believe that maybe if he, but I don't know if any of the movies that Tom Clancy's had made are ones that Steve has anything to do with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't think that those like Netforce or Cyber Team or whatever novels are the, like, he's not part of the Jack Ryan series.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, he would have to be like, what?
unidentified
He has a producer's credit on something like that.
jordan holmes
He could be in the PGA.
dan friesen
He was involved in the TV show that Tom Clancy was trying to make way back.
Oh, so he's in Harry Hamlin.
jordan holmes
Oh, so he's in the Writers Guild.
Maybe.
dan friesen
Yeah, that part is the most believable piece of it.
I would believe maybe you're in one of those guilds, whatever.
jordan holmes
I don't think he helped assassinate anybody, but I do think he is in the Academy.
I do think he does get a vote.
dan friesen
I'm not told that he votes for the Oscars.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Now, even that being said, I don't trust him.
dan friesen
There's two things that he's saying as why he wouldn't vote for the Irishman, and they're both weird.
One is budget.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Strange.
The other is Robert De Niro's political views.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But you just hear this like this guy.
He's just rambling.
Just a rambling old man who wants to tell you about like, I don't like this movie star because he talks shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
Cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
That's what it is.
dan friesen
Great.
I killed Itzak Rabin and Robert De Niro talks too much.
jordan holmes
And also, also, he said he would vote for Harriet.
Sure.
That one threw me for a second.
I was like, you're voting for Harriet because it only costs $3 million to make.
dan friesen
I had the right budget.
jordan holmes
That's okay.
Gotcha.
I didn't.
I didn't think that was a huge part of why people loved Harriet.
There's plenty.
dan friesen
There's plenty of red flags flying all around whenever Steve is allowed to talk for an extended stretch of time.
And Alex, I get the sense that he starts to pick up on them a little bit.
But he's not good at pushing back at all and allows Steve to say dumb shit like this.
steve pieczenik
I've always said Texas in and of itself could secede from the Union and wouldn't need the rest of the Union.
Florida could secede from the Union and wouldn't need the rest of the Union.
In effect, what I'm saying, de facto, the South has risen again.
It has risen in a way that the lies of Abraham Lincoln and the Northeast establishment.
alex jones
Oh, I gotta go to break it back in.
The 12 days of Christmas super has come to InfoWars.
dan friesen
The lies of Lincoln.
The South has risen again.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Turns out Steve's a neo-Confederate also.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
So I think that Steve is super, super naive about what it would look like for either Texas or Florida to secede from the United States.
For one, they would then become independent countries and they'd have to work out trade arrangements with the rest of the United States as well as other countries, which would be pretty difficult, particularly without being able to enjoy the weight of the rest of the U.S. economy that really helps create those trade relationships.
jordan holmes
Pretty sure he is assuming that they do not even need those and that they can become self-sufficient nation states, obviously, because they have all the resources they need.
dan friesen
Sure, there's some resources, but not probably enough for a fully sustainable economy.
Geographically, neither Texas nor Florida is what you'd call in an optimal position.
Florida is basically a peninsula of the United States, and Texas wouldn't even be able to block off transit to and from South and Central America since there's the New Mexico and Arizona borders to consider.
So it wouldn't even be able to create some sort of a blockade or whatever to create essentialness for it to be involved in a trade rule.
jordan holmes
To get some kind of leverage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This plan is dumb.
But also, if they leave the United States federal government, guess what else happens?
The U.S. federal government stops sending them money.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, Dan, because red states make all the money and give them to blue states.
Everybody knows that.
That's been backed up over and over and over again.
Please do not disagree with me.
dan friesen
In the past year, Florida received over $237 billion from the federal government, or the equivalent of $2,187 per resident of the state.
Texas took in about $269 billion.
These are the second and third highest totals of any state in the country.
So sure, good luck.
Keep yelling your dumb, dumb shit that the South has risen again and get your fan base excited.
But make no mistake about the reality of this.
The reality of what Steve is saying and what he's suggesting would be a complete disaster for the people of Florida and Texas.
And with all due respect to Florida and Texas, which I, you know, I care about the residents of both of those states, it would only be a relative inconvenience for the rest of the United States.
jordan holmes
Yay, now that's exactly right.
Yes, you are correct.
dan friesen
The rest of the United States.
unidentified
Our oranges are going to have to come from somewhere else.
dan friesen
We got Georgia.
I know.
The rest of the United States would find a way to make that work.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be a disaster for those states.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be inconvenient, and you wouldn't want to do it, obviously, if you're saving the United States.
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Prices of stuff would go up.
The gas would be more expensive.
It would be a bummer.
But after a while, we'd all be like, okay, this is the new reality.
Let's move on.
Meanwhile, Texas would, I guess, have to go bankrupt.
Like Moody's would remove their credit rating and turn it into just a frowny face.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it would be a mess.
So Steve has taken responsibility for killing Itza Krabine.
He's talked about how Epstein is still alive.
He's declared the end of representational government.
He is talking about his votes for the Oscars.
He said the South can rise.
It has risen again.
jordan holmes
It has risen again.
dan friesen
Florida and Texas should secede.
And so now he starts rambling a long time about how he took down the Soviet Union.
jordan holmes
He is a fucking gift, Dan.
He really is.
And I wanted to know what he felt about the youth technology that Scorsese used, but no.
dan friesen
None of that.
jordan holmes
Nothing about that.
dan friesen
That's coming up.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
No, but it was too expensive.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he just talks about how it was him.
I took down the Soviet Union.
He does use the first person singular.
Not we.
Sure.
I took down the Soviet Union quite a bit.
And so after he rambles about that for a while, I think Alex's defensiveness pops its head up again.
alex jones
Don't have any.
A lot of this sounds like to people like this guy sounds crazy, all these exaggerations, but I've actually looked at the history books.
You did run the Camp David Accords, the only successful deal.
You were involved with the pole pot stuff.
You were involved in the Soviet Union.
You've done all this stuff because you actually do work instead of sit around and talk about how you're an intelligence hop and sit around in a bar bragging and patting each other on the back.
dan friesen
Still shitting on Q a little bit, I guess.
I'm not sure how they're sitting around at a bar patting each other on the back.
I don't know.
Yeah, that's the defensiveness.
I'm recognizing that what he's saying is completely unhinged and makes no sense.
There's no way that all of this is one person's lived experience.
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Steve, I know this sounds like there are only two actual environments for what you're saying, my show and a mental health facility.
But I really do believe you when you say, what did you just say again?
You brought down the Soviet.
I believe you.
unidentified
Shit.
jordan holmes
I got to get you off my show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, they start taking some calls because callers want to talk to Steve.
And this caller asks if there's anything they can do to get Trump to get tough.
Because that's one of Steve's big complaints.
Trump isn't tough enough.
And he needs to toughen, needs to get mad.
Needs to bring Steve in to run everything so he can fire everybody.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Needs to make Melania Secretary of State.
Gotta be.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Make her a duke.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this caller asks, and the answer is pathetic.
unidentified
Is there anything we can do to come together to show President Trump that no matter what, we're with him, so he can start expediting his.
alex jones
What do we do to get Trump to get tough and five fucks on deep statements and not just put up other crap?
steve pieczenik
That's an excellent point.
I think you should all get together within your own groups and start writing letters and, you know, sending Twitter or however you want to communicate to Trump that we support him, but we need to have a tougher approach in the next administration.
We have to start cleaning up.
alex jones
And by the way, he does listen to the people and a lot of it gets to him.
So everybody, I mean, when you have a chance for this president, he actually values what the general public says.
That's a fact.
dan friesen
There's some real comedy embedded there.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
You have this guy asking what the people can do to help get Trump to toughen up and take on his enemies.
And Steve's answer is write some letters.
Such a lame answer.
But it gets good when Alex says that Trump really listens to people.
So this is a good plan.
You may recall that Trump's campaign was characterized by thousands of people loudly chanting, lock her up, at his rallies.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And something tells me that's about as strong as a message you could give that you want a guy to get tough.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If Trump isn't going to listen to chanting crowds, I doubt he's going to give a shit about your letters that he's never going to see to begin with.
jordan holmes
No, he reads every letter, Dan.
Every letter.
He also keeps a list of who's been naughty and nice.
dan friesen
greater message do you need than crowds chanting lock her up like what what more would you is there a paper trail It's a good point.
unidentified
You can't prove that you can't even prove he was there.
dan friesen
No one wrote lock her up.
That was the real problem.
jordan holmes
That was the issue.
Oh, poor bastards.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Steve talks about he, you know, he has a bit more of a Christian streak in this appearance than I've heard in him lately.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
Which is something that I'm noticing weirdly.
unidentified
A lot of them are leaning into the evangelical strong religious thing.
dan friesen
Like, I watched Milo Yiannopoulos interview Nick Fuentes not too long ago.
And Milo is very Catholic now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't remember being part of his brand before.
But now, apparently, Steve is talking about, in this next clip, he's lamenting that fundamentalist Christians can't get along with each other.
steve pieczenik
The fundamentalist Christians can't get along with each other.
There has to be an ecumenical council wherein in America they get together and understand it.
One of the most powerful tools I had in the Soviet Union was not my ability to manipulate.
It was my ability to insert Christianity through Pope John and the Greek Orthodox Church in the Russian.
alex jones
The 12 Days of Christmas Super Sale has come to InfoWars.
dan friesen
They're pushing that 12 days of Christmas.
jordan holmes
I'm loving that 12 days of Christmas.
I feel like you're pushing the 12 Days of Christmas sale now.
dan friesen
Well, it just keeps happening.
He keeps getting caught by breaks that end up having that.
Anyway, yeah, so Steve believes that he doesn't have a pro he doesn't think fundamentalist Christian is a troubling term.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
He believes it to be like the group that needs to get together.
And if you listen to what he's saying, because he claims that he overthrew the Soviet Union, and the way he did that was injecting Christianity.
Right.
What that would lead you to believe is that he wants fundamentalist Christians to overthrow our government.
jordan holmes
Yes, that does sound like exactly what he wants.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
That's not good.
dan friesen
The kernels of what he's putting out connect to imply something very scary.
jordan holmes
He wants to attempt to overthrow the United States government.
And I guess he thinks he's going to be somewhere in the ruling council when it happens.
dan friesen
He's going to be the guy firing everyone.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's a picture of the world that he wants in his mind.
And I don't think even he finds it to be pretty.
You know?
dan friesen
It's not going to be pretty.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't think he wants his, like, you know, most people, when they dream of a utopia, it's like, oh, people are holding hands and shit like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
When he does it, I really feel like he's just chaining people up and like walking down, flicking their nipples all the time.
dan friesen
Feudalism's messy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it works.
jordan holmes
It doesn't.
dan friesen
It works.
jordan holmes
It doesn't work.
dan friesen
So it wouldn't be a Steve Pieczenik appearance on Alex's show if Steve didn't flatter the shit out of Alex in order to make him feel validated.
And so here is the last clip we have from the 23rd.
steve pieczenik
Well, InfraWars has been around a long time, and it's very rare when you have a man like Alex Jones who can predict four months or six months before 9-11 that we were going to have 9-11.
And when I heard that, I said, God bless this individual.
I'm going to get to know him.
And that was it.
It's as simple as that.
It's not that complicated.
alex jones
It wasn't that complicated.
They were priming us for it.
You know, when the big buildings blow up, we take your rights.
I mean, it was all just, they had it all lined up.
You can see it.
dan friesen
Or you just listen to Bill Cooper.
jordan holmes
You guys are wrong.
It was Leo Zagami.
We know this.
dan friesen
There's so many details that are missing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He said it.
Leo said it.
I mean, if you trust him about other things, you can trust him about that.
Yeah, I don't know.
There's all a bunch of shit.
But it's exactly the way Alex would want to be flattered by Steve, and Steve's given what he needs.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So there's going to be a rebooking.
They're just coming back onto good terms.
It's very interesting to watch.
Like, there is a pretending we didn't have a falling out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now just sort of gracefully getting back into.
Steve's testing the boundaries.
He's throwing out Epstein's still alive.
I killed Yeat Sakra Bean.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
It all flies.
jordan holmes
He got no hope.
I personally got the Pope to help inject Christianity into the Soviet Union.
Me, Steve Pieczenik, noted Pope soother.
dan friesen
Pope Whisperer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex takes the break on the 24th, 5th, and 6th, and he comes back on the 27th.
And I'm going to say he's coming in hot on the 27th.
He claims that it's just because he hasn't been on air for a little while, so he's got ahead of steam.
But in reality, I think it's because Trump had given a press conference where he was asked about pardoning Roger Stone, and he said he hadn't really thought about it.
And Alex is really pissed off about that.
alex jones
Over the Christmas break, the two days we took off, President Trump had a press conference, and he talked about Roger Stone, because the question got raised to him.
He said, oh, I haven't really thought about that.
Which means he's not ready to make a statement on it.
Obviously, he has talked about it.
unidentified
Did you really?
alex jones
He went on to say what happened to Roger was obviously wrong.
Yeah, to say the least, he was not convicted of being a Russian spy.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Those weren't.
alex jones
He's convicted for lying to Congress.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's a problem.
alex jones
Formality, and that's not ground I'm gonna cover it again.
I know you all know that, but this speaks the whole issue.
If Trump won't start indicting these people and these rogue government agencies, these bad cops, as he calls them, well, then what does it say if they're just left alone?
It says it's open season on anybody that supports Trump and say, Okay, Sean Hanney's ready to lose his job.
So Tucker Carlson.
Alex Jones has got him trying to put him in prison, speaking to third person and suing the hell out of me, and lying about my family, and paying former employees to tell huge lies.
So I'm going to have to sue so that other people know they can't just lie about me.
But that all takes money.
So I'm going to get into this and Trump in a moment.
And I love Trump.
But his biggest failure is that he can't get the Justice Department to do their damn job.
Illegally spying on a candidate, doing it once they're president, lying to Congress about it is illegal.
jordan holmes
That's what.
alex jones
And I've got CIA hearings and Defense Department hearings.
It's not the military coming after me.
It's all the Ivy Leaguers that have these intelligence clearances, literally calling me an enemy agent and talking about how they're trying to shut me down.
That means shuts you down.
And I'm pissed.
I'm an American citizen being run over by a bunch of America-hating scum that openly say they hate this country.
And then they sit there in Congress and I'm not in those hearings getting to challenge them.
Excuse me, Lord.
These people should be damned to hell, though.
I mean that.
I'm not saying the Lord's name in vain there.
I mean, these people are sick.
dan friesen
In that clip at the end, there, he said, God damn them.
And then I was like, cut that out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I went and found the video of it.
And he actually says that.
And then in the version.
So apparently they do have a delay button.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they were able to cut that out in the audio version that I used to cut the clips from.
But he does say, God damn them.
alex jones
Cut that out.
dan friesen
But they should be damned to hell.
jordan holmes
That's what he cut out?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
That's so weird.
dan friesen
Very weird.
But you notice that clip, the ride of it was general to specific.
jordan holmes
Very specific.
dan friesen
Turned very personal.
jordan holmes
Very personal.
dan friesen
Very much airing of grievances that were about my own trouble.
jordan holmes
Now, I love Trump, but personally, I'm not doing so hot right now.
I would like him to fix that, please.
dan friesen
Yeah, it starts with like the Justice Department needs to do their damn job.
I mean, I have problems.
It's just me.
I got problems.
jordan holmes
People are being so mean to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But even like that goes on even longer, just complaining about his own shit.
And then he has to clarify because I think he realizes like I'm kind of making this all about myself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has to be like, this isn't about me.
alex jones
But vengeance is God's.
I'm just going to say this, we need action.
And it's not for me being under attack.
It's because these criminals are getting more bold and they're intimidating a lot of other people and getting them to give up.
dan friesen
I don't know who he's talking about.
I think it's just himself.
jordan holmes
I don't know, but a letter-writing campaign could get people to come.
That's what I've heard.
dan friesen
That's true.
Actually, Alex launches something of an initiative here on this episode.
I don't think it's fully spelled out by the clips that I have, but it's more or less let's start protesting at Trump rallies.
Okay.
But he does, he talks about it a little bit.
He's like, I don't want this to be like Nick Fuentes going out and messing around with the turning point stuff because that's leading to a schism.
We want to be friendlies, but also inject our message by protesting at the Trump rallies.
I'm like, you guys are just doing this sectarian shit.
This is all that's worth.
Yeah, you're just going to create more extremeness within your communities.
And by all means, go ahead.
jordan holmes
It's like they're falling ass backwards into understanding how protests work.
Like, it's so ridiculous.
It's so ridiculous.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is not doing great and he's mad at Trump.
And that's something that is going to continue throughout this episode here on the 27th.
Alex is in this very confused state about his support for Trump.
There is an enthusiastic, yes, of course I support him, but also like, I'm really pissed off.
I'm starting to get really frustrated.
Like, it's which is inevitable.
jordan holmes
They just hate people protesting so much whenever it's like, you're not on my team.
You can't protest.
But then, whenever they want something, they realize that the best way to get it is by protesting.
dan friesen
It is strange.
jordan holmes
And, oh, God.
dan friesen
It's not going to go stupid.
It's not going to do anything either.
Like, if he goes and starts protesting at Trump rallies, all it is is promotional stunts for himself.
That's really all it is.
But who cares?
Alex complains that, like, you know, he did bring up the Department of Justice not doing their job.
And a big part of that is they need to fucking put Biden in jail.
It's open and shut.
So Giuliani was on TV talking about how he's going to, if he just had two people and they put him in a position where he could do it, he could prosecute all these dirty actors.
All of them.
And Alex agrees based on a lie.
alex jones
So I'm going to open the phones up today and talk about what Trump needs to do.
Because you just heard Giuliani.
All he needs is two people.
He can indict all these folks.
It's totally true.
You could convict these people with your eyes shut.
My God, they went all over TV and said, well, you know, they're investigating my son.
So I said, if that guy's not fired by the time I leave in six hours, you're not going to get the billion dollars.
And son of a bitch, they fired him.
Had to sit here and put up with that crap from these criminals.
dan friesen
So Alex is really mad.
He's very convinced that the case against Joe Biden will be open and shut because, like a classic globalist, he went all over television and confessed to his crimes.
He bragged about them.
It's in the white papers.
You know, the deal.
If you pay close attention, though, you'll notice how Alex Jones engages in narrative sleight of hand.
He's so worked up in his feelings that the rant moves and flows smoothly.
But he's very intentionally inserted a lie in there that's meant to support the very passion that he's expressing.
Biden didn't want that prosecutor fired because they were investigating his son.
But the rest of the stuff that Alex is saying is true, inasmuch as Biden did give a speech where he told the story of threatening to hold up money to Ukraine if they didn't remove that prosecutor.
But this truth is only there to mask the presentation of the lie, which is that Biden's motives were personal and corrupt.
This is a pretty important trick for propagandists and conspiracy theorists.
Most of the time, an audience like Alex's probably wouldn't even notice, or most of them are probably, they already believe that that narrative is true.
By intertwining lies with real things, you create a situation where you can just play a clip of Biden saying that they had until he got on his plane to fire this prosecutor, and your audience will experience it as if the motive part, the part where he was trying to stop an investigation of his son, that's what's being proven by the clip that doesn't show that.
You can prove the true part, but the lie is a lie.
Connect the truth to a lie, then demonstrate the truth, and plenty of people will accept the lie as part of the demonstrated truth.
On a super basic level, this is kind of what Alex does all the time with headlines.
He can prove the headline by flashing it up on the screen, but he can't really prove all the nonsense bullshit that he riffs about the stories.
So when he tries to establish something he says is true, he just references headlines.
As an example, consider Bill Joy's article in Wired called Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
Alex has said a thousand times that that article is about how Bill Joy went to a conference of high-end tech people who they debated whether to kill off humanity or turn us into a dumbed-down massive blobs sucked into video games or some shit.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
None of that is true.
It's not in the article at all.
It's completely a fabrication of Alex's fantasies.
But his listeners have heard him talk about it so many times that it's become an internalized truth.
I've listened to thousands of hours of Alex's show, and the most I've ever heard him cite from that article is the headline.
Because for his audience, that's enough.
He tells the story of what Bill Joy supposedly said, and then shows the headline.
The truth of the headline is combined with the lie of Alex's story, and then all you need is that headline in order to prove the lie.
This is a really important, fundamental, basic trick that Alex pulls.
And sometimes it's kind of hard to disentangle some of the pieces of it.
jordan holmes
It's a lot like if you were injecting a vaccine with poison.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Giving it to people.
dan friesen
Interesting way to look at it.
So, Alex, like I said, on the 23rd, he had a big piece that he was promoting that he was going to have a special report about Epstein, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it turns out that Alex has decided that he has evidence that Epstein's operation is still running, even though he's dead.
jordan holmes
Wait, Epstein isn't dead.
dan friesen
Wow, Steve doesn't think so, but it's hard to keep these conspiracies.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Okay, okay.
But Alex is convinced that it's still up and running.
And here he talks about that a tiny bit.
alex jones
I mean, it's like a brothel commercial.
Like, you go into the brothel and they got the 20 women lined up right there.
You just pick the woman you want.
That's what this is.
Except they look like they're 15 years old.
And that's on the YouTube.
That's what they'll show you.
Do you know what's down the rat hole?
And we're just supposed to sit here and put up with it.
And then the whole media is covering it up and running whitewashes and attacking us.
And so all these people have signed on to this.
It's CNN and Fox News.
You've signed on to child molestation.
You've signed on to Satanism.
You have signed on with the devil.
We're going to go to break, and I'm going to tell us this again.
You're the reason we're here.
Your word of mouth, your prayer, your financial support.
And we got products you absolutely need that'll blow you away.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Great.
I keep that clip in largely because I want to demonstrate fully and very specifically that Alex is using this to market.
This is not something that is necessarily well fleshed out.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Not certainly something he's doing a good job with.
jordan holmes
He's not very interested in the story, really.
dan friesen
But what he is doing, he's taking these sensationalizing things about it because he knows that it's very popular with people online and he's using it to draw attention to his products.
jordan holmes
Increase engagement.
Increase engagement.
dan friesen
I don't want to get too deep into this, so I'm just going to give you a brief sketch of what Alex is talking about here.
He thinks he's cracked the case and discovered that Epstein's operation is still up and running because he just found out about a company called Aviloop.
This is an aviation branding and like flight school classes operation business that's run by a woman named Nadia Moroshenko, who she definitely has ties to Epstein.
I have no idea about the larger picture of her involvement with him, nor do I know if Aviloop has anything to do with his crimes necessarily.
But I do know that she was a figure who was questioned about this matter as far back as 2010.
So Alex isn't really breaking new ground on the subject.
The Aviloop aspect of the story isn't really even new either.
Heavy published an article that discusses her weird commercials, the ones that Alex is calling brothel commercials back in August.
Legitimately, the only thing Alex here is doing, he's taking kernels of things that actual outlets have already covered and adding a layer of conspiratorial, they're going to kill me for covering this bullshit to it.
Alex put out a special report that was a little over an hour on Christmas that he teased as being an interview with a whistleblower, like he mentioned on the 23rd.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
And it was an empty chair a la clinic.
dan friesen
I mean, metaphorically, an empty chair for sure.
This wasn't a whistleblower.
It was just a guy who'd done some digging into the Epstein story from a pretty conspiratorial angle and insisted on being filmed in the shadows.
It's just a guy mumbling through suggestive information about Eviloop as if it's breaking news and also weirdly laughing a couple times while trying to get through his script.
Not like that laughing, but like, okay, I don't can't quite tell if it's like nervous laughter or what, but it's very strange and it's uninspiring.
unidentified
Interesting.
dan friesen
Also, there are multiple commercial breaks in this special report where Alex tries to sell you his weird pills.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
My point here is that Alex and his shadowy non-whistleblower are not helping.
They're not bringing anything new to this story.
They're just exploiting it to create publicity for Alex.
And I find that pretty distasteful.
Not only because I had to watch most of that special report.
And that fake whistleblower's voice is very annoying.
I'm sorry, buddy.
It's all right.
So, anyway, all that's a bunch of bullshit nonsense.
Anyway, the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What are they up to these days?
dan friesen
They want to face scan.
They want to put face scans in place.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's bad.
I'm against that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're coming to Las Vegas this year, according to Alex, which is, I don't know how, I don't know what to say about that.
I don't know if that's necessarily true or not.
I don't know what he's misrepresenting.
I'll leave that for another day because Alex couldn't get through talking about this story without veering into something very racist.
alex jones
In 2019, they announced starting in Vegas and starting in places like that because they know you're going to Vegas to have fun and so you'll put up with whatever they want you to do.
Face scanning.
But there was a backlash to standing there and being face scanned.
And of course, they're going to let the illegal aliens in, anyways.
Illegal aliens are allowed to hit and run, rob, steal, kill.
They're just given driver's license in New York.
New York's another place.
And LaGuardia, they were starting, or is it JFK?
LaGuardia's in Chicago, isn't it?
That was JFK.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
So, so all of this is going on.
All of this is happening.
And it's just in your face.
But the illegal aliens, oh, here, just have a driver's license.
You don't even have to take a driving test.
Only citizens have to do that.
Oh, it would be racist if you're from another country.
jordan holmes
Wild.
alex jones
And you see the footage of thousands of men lined up to get their driver's license, but you don't even need the test.
Just like you can shoot a woman in the back and she dies for no reason, as long as she's white.
Shoot her in the back at the pier with her dad.
It's okay.
As long as she's white.
dan friesen
So that took a ride.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is completely misrepresenting the issue about immigrants getting driver's licenses, because of course he is.
And of course, he's turning it into a narrative that's primarily about how he feels like he's a victim because he's white.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Right off the bat, it should be pointed out that driver's licenses are given out by the state, not by the federal government.
So the rules in each specific state will vary a little bit.
What I'm going to lay out is not like it's generally true, but there might be slight differences state to state.
That said, at no point will I gloss over a major anomaly.
There are currently 15 states where undocumented immigrants can apply for driver's licenses.
And there will likely be more added to that list soon, as a number of states have bills in the works surrounding the issue.
In most of these cases, all that was really done is to allow a piece of foreign identification to be substituted for the regularly required social security card as a form of ID needed to be given a driver's license.
I did not know what the breakdown is on this state by state, but from everything I can tell, this works exactly the same as if you and I were to apply for a driver's license, just with slightly different document requirements.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You would still have to take the written test for sure.
And in most cases, you'll still have to pass the driving test.
jordan holmes
Do you have to kill a white woman?
dan friesen
You do.
Okay.
Know that in some states you don't have to retake the driving portion of the test if you're applying for a license and your old one hasn't expired or if it just recently expired.
So I assume there may be some states that allow that in these cases too.
Like if you have a current driver's license from Mexico, let's say, you might not have to retake the driving portion.
Maybe, but I feel like circumstances like that aren't the norm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You still have to take the test.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
One of the main arguments surrounding these measures in favor of it is that some research has indicated that licensing immigrants who were previously unauthorized to drive improves safety greatly.
One obvious reason is that they're required to pass the test.
Yes, that usually, which Alex is just pretending isn't the case, but he's just making that up.
Sure.
Another reason that this is important is that if they have license, they can get car insurance, which makes things way safer for everyone.
Most of the metrics you'd really want to focus on are improved by issuing licenses to undocumented immigrants.
State revenues increase, overall safety improves, people are able to pursue work opportunities more easily that aren't connected to public transit.
The only real way to be against this is if you really want undocumented immigrants to be miserable and ultimately gone, which is clearly where Alex is coming from.
That seems to be all that's going on.
So you remember at the beginning of this episode, Alex was mad at Trump.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Well, he's here's the thing.
He meant for that to be a clean take so he could post a video with a flashy headline to try and get Trump's attention.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But he got sidetracked by complaining about Epstein stuff and how immigrants are getting licenses.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's not easy to sum up with a very simple headline.
dan friesen
No pithy.
But fear not, Alex has editors, and he discusses how they should edit this video while on air.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And I said I'd get to it this segment.
I didn't.
I'll get to the Roger Stone information in the next segment.
And then we're going to sandwich this next segment in with segment three.
And we're going to post that to banned.video.
Alex Jones blows up at Trump because I know those type of messages get to the president.
Or what do we title it?
Why isn't the president standing up for himself and others?
President Trump's greatest failing.
A message from Alex Jones.
President Trump, please stop failing us.
How about President Trump?
Help us.
Help us.
We're good Americans.
We're under attack.
jordan holmes
Do your job.
alex jones
Defend us.
What do I say to Trump?
What do we title that video?
We'll figure it out.
But we're live right now, and I'm not going to get that video.
Once we post it to banned.video, I need you to send it to the campaign and to the White House and to the Secret Service.
dan friesen
Send it to the Secret Service.
jordan holmes
Send it to that Secret Service.
dan friesen
Alex feels desperate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's bad.
dan friesen
I need Trump's attention.
jordan holmes
Please.
dan friesen
We have to make a headline that sounds combative.
I think he also is recognizing that it does seem like Trump likes to fight with people.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If I say something.
jordan holmes
He gets messages like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He seems to like engaging with them.
So anyway, they'll figure out what to title it.
But Alex does not get down to business.
Instead, really freaks out about Q.
And I think one of the reasons is that, you know, around this, the 27th, there was a number of Q accounts that Trump was retweeting.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And I think Alex is really pissed off about that.
alex jones
I want to see action.
I want the Q thing, the greatest human movement of private citizens ever in the history of humanity.
That's what the Q thing calls itself.
Okay, well, then deliver some indictments.
I thought getting Trump elected was one of the modern greatest things Americans ever did.
But, you know, I thought all the guests we had, I thought our listeners got Trump elected, but we're nobody.
We didn't do anything.
We didn't have Trump on the show.
We didn't create the talking points for the president.
We didn't influence Steven Miller.
No.
My mother didn't give birth to me.
Q did.
unidentified
My father is Q. Papa, save me.
alex jones
Q is God, actually.
I'm serious.
And that's why they're all going to be indicted next week.
Everything's fine.
As we one go, we all go.
In fact, you Q guys are welcome to call in too next time when I get the number out.
Tell me.
Tell me how I'm wrong.
Tell me about the magic, the power, the insight.
Q made this new video exposing Epstein that's on Bandai video.
Do you know Q did that?
Yeah, absolutely freaking lutely.
Q was up here on Christmas Eve.
Thank God for Q.
We salute you, Q. Thank you for two weeks.
they're all indicted two weeks they're all indicted two weeks they're all indicted two weeks they're all indicted two weeks they're all indicted two weeks they're all indicted all i've heard is talk so far so So I want to talk about all that too.
But I'm going to get to the president's press conference.
dan friesen
Alex is so fucking jealous of Twitter bots.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
He's so fucking jealous.
jordan holmes
Does he not understand these people?
Oh, man.
Also, it does, there is a bit of a personal.
I do feel like he was convinced by Q for a while.
Yeah, maybe.
I hear a little bit of that, like, I was hoping for you.
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
I wanted indictments.
dan friesen
I don't necessarily think that's the case, but I can see how you would think that.
My sense of it and the feeling that I get is more like, what I could have done with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's almost a missed opportunity that, like, I wasn't able to co-op that with you.
jordan holmes
There was.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wish that would have worked out.
jordan holmes
It does.
It also has a little bit of a bit of a comment.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It has a little bit of like a, oh, I was in AAA.
I was in AAA and they promoted one guy to the show and he wasn't as good as me.
dan friesen
And now I honestly also feel like even beyond that, that angle is the like, it's the same sort of thing as like, if only he'd listened to like Max Kaiser way back when he was telling him to get into Bitcoin, he could have made millions on it.
And if he would have just gotten on board with Q in the right way, he probably could have made a killing off it.
And I think there's that missed opportunity that like the opposite of buyer's remorse that he probably feels.
And like you see all of these accounts all over Twitter with huge, massive audiences that are all fake that are not retweeting them.
And like, man, he's got to be furious.
jordan holmes
We live in a weird world where the president is basically a chain email come to life.
dan friesen
Man, we're going to talk about that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
This is crazy.
dan friesen
It's not pleasant.
So Alex is mad at Q.
He descends into that for a bit.
But there's headlines to get to.
So we got to get to the news.
alex jones
The new thing in conservative publications is telling people, encourage your wife to have sex with other men in front of you.
Encourage, and of course, they know psychologically that'll end about half the relationships that do it.
I mean, they're literally throwing a firebomb into your family trying to destroy your life.
But they tell you, oh, no, no, no.
Tell your wife.
You're watching like, you don't want me anymore?
You want me to have sex with other men?
Okay, I'll do it.
Literally, I got stacks of that news too.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
It's a family show.
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
This is, he's Dan Savage now, too.
He's handling all of it.
alex jones
Yeah, man.
dan friesen
Conservative publications are telling you to tell your wife to go bang other dudes.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
While you're watching.
I mean, that's a healthy sexual behavior.
Good for you.
dan friesen
I don't know what conservative publication this is that's endorsing swinging, but Christianity today, I believe.
Alex has already said that people trading wives is manly.
I don't know why he's mad about this.
jordan holmes
Not in front of you, okay?
dan friesen
What do you think, Roger?
jordan holmes
No, Rogers.
No, he would never do that.
Sure, he gets drunk and trades his wife and swaps around and puts his keys in the bowl, Dan, but not while he's watching.
dan friesen
No kink shaming at all.
But Alex's position on this is weird.
And that's just like a non-sequitur going out to break.
I don't know why he felt the need to cover that.
But when he gets back from break, it gets down to business.
And he wants to do his video that he's going to direct at Trump.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it's basically just like the same thing he's already been saying.
Like the boil down of it is a lot of talk.
We need some action.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
alex jones
So you can't let criminals keep doing what they're doing.
Like, oh, we're going to let them try to rob a bank again the last five times they got stopped.
But you didn't lock them up.
You let them go organize again and try to rob the bank again and come in and point their guns at us and pull all these scams and ride rough shot over conservatives and Christians and bully everybody.
I'm tired of it.
And I'm not going to sit here and take it.
We need action, President Trump.
All right, I'm going to give the number out.
I want to get your take on what Trump needs to do in the new year.
dan friesen
The reason that's really sad to me is that he is absolutely going to take it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Everything that I've seen, he does this a lot.
He says, I'm not going to take this.
I'm going to make a stand.
And he never does.
It's always just talk.
It's very sad.
jordan holmes
It's, I don't know if it's infuriating to watch so many of these guys like Alex and just come so dangerously close to realizing that they've been scammed, that they've been grifted.
They don't, they just can't cross that line.
He's so close to realizing what everybody knew in 2015, what he knew in 2015, which is that Trump was grifting them.
He's a liar lying to you to make his own money.
dan friesen
I mean, it's it.
It's really tough to tell, like, when you're on this ride, when do you jettison?
Like, when do you sell Bitcoin or whatever?
Like, when do you avoid the downside by selling?
And I think Alex is like trying to figure out what that is, and it's constantly not yet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's on that line of like, I think he does know that eventually it's got to end.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, this has to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's just, there's, there's no way.
jordan holmes
It's unsustainable.
dan friesen
It's not going to work out.
And also, whatever goals I think I'm achieving through Trump are not happening.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Clearly not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he's trying to save victory from the jaws of defeat, as it were, with like trying to get something out of it.
Sure.
Like, maybe I get back on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe Trump locks up Hillary.
jordan holmes
If I just get one thing, then I can tout that.
And none of this, because right now it feels like all of this has been a massive waste.
dan friesen
And it's a huge mistake.
A lot of energy to convince myself and my audience that's not the case.
But like I said, I think he's trying to acclimate a little bit to the idea that it is almost inevitability that Trump is going to disappoint.
And so he talks about that a tiny bit here.
Even without Trump, the world still needs me.
alex jones
I'm going to go to break.
I'll get to the press conference.
This makes me so mad I don't even think about it.
Because if he'll leave Roger Stone out to dry, he'll leave anybody out to dry.
And I believe he's doing the right thing to.
But look at what's happening to Assange.
jordan holmes
Unless you're a war criminal.
alex jones
We got Trump elected, okay?
And he needs to protect the Republic and the American people.
It's his job.
Plus, we went through hell to get him in there.
You did.
But I know this.
We put Trump in there.
He's just one wave in this fight.
We're getting globalists kicked out everywhere.
We're having victories on a planetary scale.
It's critical this operation stay on air and be stronger than ever, even if the cavalry from Trump is never going to come.
We have to just start thinking, hey, the cavalry ain't coming.
We're the cavalry and you're the cavalry.
So stand with us, ladies and gentlemen.
Do your shopping at InfowarStore.com.
dan friesen
Smooth, silky smooth.
jordan holmes
Stand with us on the front lines at www.infoarstorelight.com or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of that, a lot of sales.
So sometimes the sales are funny.
Sometimes there's like boring, like, yeah, get the krill oil or whatever.
Fine.
Whatever.
Sometimes they're funny.
And we were blessed on this December 27th episode with one of the funnier moments in an ad read that I've ever heard.
alex jones
We have the very best supplements, the very best books and films, and a lot of really great Patriot apparel.
We've got some great t-shirts.
I design most of them, so they're okay.
We don't have the best apparel.
There's some Patriot apparel better than ours.
I'll just be honest.
But our supplements are the best.
InfoWarStore.com or AAA-253-3139.
I mean, some of our shirts are as good as they get.
We've got the new don't visit InfoWar shirt.
I love that.
Last chance because Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself shirt.
That's a big part of history.
dan friesen
That Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself shirt is a piece of history.
DC, he's monetizing this stuff really aggressively.
But I love the idea that he's like, some people make better shirts today.
jordan holmes
I design all of our shirts.
And look, some of them are pretty good.
I mean, get some, don't get some.
Some people get better shirts.
Buy my fucking supplements, goddammit.
dan friesen
It's a weird place for humility.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is a very strange place.
dan friesen
Especially considering he's very explicitly saying that that's one thing that I'm directly responsible for.
I design these shirts.
jordan holmes
And he's always the best at everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think he's blaming the shirt people, you know, the manufacturers who make the actual shirts.
It's not like a Ziljan or whatever.
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I got a champion.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
That tickled me, though.
I enjoyed it.
jordan holmes
That is such a weird place.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back after the break, and he's talking about, you know, earlier he said that he was trying to brainstorm what to name this clip to get Trump's attention.
And I think he realizes that whenever he gets mad at Trump, he gets Trump's attention.
Whenever he lashes out, he gets the attention.
And he pretty explicitly says that here.
alex jones
And I'm just telling listeners, the White House listens to you.
Every time I get mad at Trump, he tweets out some InfoWars videos.
Okay, great.
Thank you, Mr. President, because I want to get those videos out to counter the globalist and defeat them.
And I know it shows solidarity, and we appreciate that.
That's great, Mr. President.
Gosh, he tweets out our stuff every week now.
The media doesn't even attack it anymore.
They don't know what to do.
They try to tell him what to do.
He's not doing it.
That's wonderful.
I want to see indictments of McCabe and Comey and Hillary.
And let's start with Strzok.
Let's start with Paige.
Let's start with Orr.
Let's start.
dan friesen
I haven't really looked at Trump's Twitter account in quite a while.
So I decided to check and see if he tweeted out any of Alex's stuff lately.
Holy shit.
What a mistake.
That Twitter feed is just drowning in stupid memes and retweets of obviously fake accounts.
This would be really upsetting as a feed if you just saw it from anyone, let alone the president.
It was not a fun glimpse.
And I realized really quickly why I tend to ignore his feed as well as pretty much most of social media.
It was a disaster area.
But it's my journalistic duty to at least scratch the surface of these things.
So I went back to see if Trump really did push Alex's stuff after Alex got mad at him.
I figured that the time that Alex said Trump had committed treason and maybe working for the literal devil would be the best recent example of that.
And that happened on December 4th.
If Alex's premise is correct, then you'd expect to see some Infowars around that time.
I did see two tweets where Trump was retweeting the Trump organization's promotional tweets about Mar-a-Lago opening for the 2019-2020 season with the caption, I will be there in two weeks.
The Southern White House exclamation point.
jordan holmes
Yes, and that is a totally constitutionally okay thing to do.
dan friesen
You cannot get bogged down in that right now.
I also saw a tweet where Trump was promoting his rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania, saying, On my way to Hershey, Pennsylvania for a rally.
See everyone soon.
I love Hershey's chocolate.
jordan holmes
Really?
It's like a child.
I can't, I can't do it.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
I can't do it.
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine if we had, if Reagan in 86 were able to tweet, it would be bananas.
Like the mushy brain of these two guys belongs to you.
I love Hershey chocolate.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
There were plenty of retweets of Breitbart, Daily Caller, and even Newt Gingrich's podcast, which I did not know existed.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
Newt Gingrich's got a podcast.
jordan holmes
Who is listening to Newt Gingrich's podcast?
Oh, God.
dan friesen
I saw plenty of Infowars type information flying around, but I didn't see any direct evidence of Trump tweeting out Infowar stuff or other people's stuff.
I think Alex just perceives that Trump throws them a bone whenever he starts getting mad, but I don't know if that's true.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that that's the illusion that he likes to live in.
But like that, whenever I get out of line, Trump gives me a sign.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's true.
unidentified
I get a little squeaky wheel gets the oil kind of situation.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now the show gets weird.
jordan holmes
Now it gets weird.
dan friesen
Now it gets weird.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Compared to the last three years of our show?
dan friesen
Or this episode takes a turn.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know what prompted him to say this, but I got really excited when he did.
alex jones
I'll tell you how to call it Cabbage.
You know what I'll do?
I'll do it when Richard Reeves is in here at the bottom of the next hour.
And everybody knows I'm bad about doing stuff I say I'll do on air because I get busy and forget.
So they're going to put on screen over here.
Cut out that at 1:33, I'm going to tell you the big secret of the new world order.
The big enchiwada.
When Richard Reeves is in here with us, I'm going to lay it out.
The real deal.
Why they're doing what they're doing, who the factions are, and the decision you've got to make.
You want the heavy, heavy, heavy stuff?
You're going to get it today.
I told you, no more games, ladies and gentlemen.
Everything, everything's going to come out.
dan friesen
No more games.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
dan friesen
No more games.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
I swear to God, Dan.
He said that directly to you, and he is not going to deliver on that because he's fucking with you.
I swear to God, Dan.
I swear to you right now.
That is exactly what you have wanted to hear for so long.
You know, he's not going to deliver.
Dan, those are the words almost word for word that you've wanted to hear.
dan friesen
Let me tell you, Jordan.
Yeah.
Here's how I experience this.
Exactly what you're saying.
Not that he's fucking with you, of course.
Because that would be silly.
But I did hear that and I was like, there's no way this is going to happen.
unidentified
But let me put your mind at ease.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's forced, brief, and probably one of the most insane things I've ever heard him say.
jordan holmes
All right.
I like it.
Is the secret of 2017 still, 2017 still Megan Kelly?
dan friesen
No.
Okay.
It has changed.
Dude, there could not be a more invalidating thing for Alex to say is the heart of the new world order.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The big secret.
His career is meaningless.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But we'll get to that at the end of the episode.
jordan holmes
You son of a bitch.
You're teasing now.
dan friesen
Well, I got to do what Alex does.
unidentified
All right, fair.
dan friesen
But for now, Alex talks about nothing for a while.
Mostly, I mean, he starts talking about how Texas is really great.
alex jones
When the mafia goes and harasses, say, all the cleaners in a certain part of a city and tells them if you don't pay us protection money, something bad's going to happen to your drivers that are picking up laundry.
Those are famous cases.
And then when they don't, somebody firebombs the laundry or the grocery store.
The FBI goes and they arrest the members of the mafia that came in and threatened the store owners.
dan friesen
So this is meant to be like a, you got to arrest the deep state.
You got to arrest all of these people.
That's basically the metaphor he's sharing.
alex jones
That's why mafia like that never took off in places like Texas.
Because if you walked in to a dry cleaner's in Texas with a Texan owning it and you said you're going to give us money or something bad is going to happen to your business, you would be killed right there.
You would be killed.
I mean, my grandfathers were just normal Texans, nice guys, super, went to church, helping.
If you came into their business and said, we want money or we're going to kill you, they'd pull a gun out and shoot you dead.
Everybody knew that.
That's why you didn't do that.
They'd kill you just like that.
People that I grew up around, the last group of Texans, would kill you just like that.
There's no question of it.
If you messed with them, they'd kill you.
dan friesen
I'm going to leave aside the Mexican mafia stuff here because clearly that's not what Alex is talking about.
Alex is full of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was a really big mafia presence in Texas, most notably the Cavello family, which coincidentally was known as the Dallas crime family.
I say coincidentally because Alex grew up in Dallas.
So the people he grew up around would be people in Dallas who were alive when the Cavello operation was up and running.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Nothing that Alex is saying is true, but it feels true to him because how he's mythologized the Texan.
His ego is so wrapped up in this legendary character that it seems impossible to him that any Texan would be shaken down by a criminal.
That's just his feelings.
He has no idea what he's talking about.
And it makes no sense.
Shouldn't he know that there was mafia in Texas based on his JFK conspiracies about Jack Ruby and his associations with Sam Giancana and Joseph Campese?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
This is no, don't even worry about it.
How could he not?
Well, and as everybody knows, one of the foundations of the Texan myth is the cowboy.
And in the Wild West, no one was afraid of criminals.
Criminals definitely didn't go from town to town causing issues.
It's not an issue because everybody there was a Texan.
Everybody fired on everybody for no reason.
dan friesen
Right.
So he's rambling about nothing for a bit.
steve pieczenik
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex gets down to saying something pretty shocking.
And that is that if Trump doesn't purge the government of his enemies, then Trump's got to go.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And also, this clip involves one of the longer pauses.
So your phone is not fucking up.
Just a fair warning.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
A very long pause.
alex jones
Trump and the Republicans are going to go to war with the deep state and they're going to remove these devil worshiping scum or Trump needs to be removed.
Period.
And we need to get somebody in there that'll do something about all this because I'm done.
Toll free number to join us is 877-789-2539.
dan friesen
13-second pause after he realizes he's just said Trump must purge the government or we'll get someone who will.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
I halfway think that was supposed to be edited out and put in that video.
That might be the reason for that pause of like a trip.
Yeah, possibly.
dan friesen
Yeah, possibly.
But he says a little bit more about it.
And he's pissed off.
He's like, Trump, you got to do this.
You got to get my enemies out of the government.
Sure, sure, sure.
But he also wants to make sure that he's like, I still support Trump, though.
Don't get me wrong.
jordan holmes
Why are these people so stupid?
alex jones
Pray for the president and I pray for justice and I support the president and I support him in this campaign for another 311 days.
But man, am I going to feel suckered if he gets into office again and these people aren't prosecuted?
They don't get in trouble.
dan friesen
Yeah, you are going to feel suckered.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
This is the same thing he said four years ago.
Trump is the real deal, or I've been tricked.
I'm going to support him in 2020, but I'm going to feel suckered if he doesn't take, he doesn't solve our globalist crisis immediately after.
It's just stop it.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Getting suckered all over the place.
But really, the reason that Alex can't let go is because, like, Trump only won because of him.
Everybody within Trump's orbit during the campaign was just ripping off Alex.
Alex is basically the president.
If you really think about it.
jordan holmes
I really do think he believes that, yes.
alex jones
I mean, there's a lot of demands we need to make of our president.
We're not in a cult here.
We put him there.
He adopted the nationalist patriot movement as an operating system to counter the globalists because the Pentagon came to him.
jordan holmes
He told us.
alex jones
This is the operating system America's always had.
Jones has popularized it.
We've written it into a codified plan.
This has even been in the New York Times, and it's accurate.
The Stephen Miller basically took our research, our work, which is great, and presented it to the president.
It got adopted by Bannon.
Bannon didn't come up with all this.
Bannon is a movie screenplay writer.
Okay, they wrote a screenplay off this show.
That's why the left's so pissed.
They've got all the phones tapped.
They know.
And they know the White House still listens every day.
Okay?
But I'm not a screenwriter.
I'm Alex Jones from Texas.
I'm for real.
You understand?
I'm 100% for real.
steve pieczenik
I mean all this.
dan friesen
I just, I don't even, I don't even believe that you believe that.
jordan holmes
I know.
That doesn't sound sincere.
You saying you mean this, I don't think you mean that.
dan friesen
No.
But I do think he means that Stephen Miller sounds a lot like him.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I think he definitely knows that Stephen Miller is also a white nationalist.
Yes, I agree.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I just feel so much anger at Trump.
Yeah.
And a lot of it is petty resentment.
A lot of it seems to be like, you're not paying attention to me.
You're not doing what I want you to do.
So I'm going to lash out.
I'm going to start talking about how it was only me that led to you getting where you are now.
You owe everything to me and now you're not taking care of me.
It's just sad.
In this next clip, Alex talks about Antifa.
And apparently, did you know that Bill Ayers leads Antifa?
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
We learned that here.
jordan holmes
No, well, we saw him just recently at the Chicago teacher strike.
He was not leading Antifa there.
dan friesen
Wow, that's because he does it by night.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
I didn't realize that.
dan friesen
And it turns out all Trump would need to do to stop all civil unrest in this country is bust some Antifa leaders because then you'd find their contracts like the one he found on 4chan and it would lead all the way up to the I refuse to believe that he says this.
This is so dumb.
alex jones
The feds go bust any local Antifa leader.
They're led by the weathermen in Berkeley.
They're led by famous professors and the weathermen.
It's the weathermen.
dan friesen
That means, Bill.
alex jones
You bust them.
jordan holmes
They've got action.
alex jones
They've got directives, corporate documents.
It's all signed.
They have officers and everything.
And they go out and hire meth heads and idiots that don't know what they're doing.
That's organized crime racketeering, ladies and gentlemen.
Antifa is always off limits.
And if you go after them, they persecute you.
They ban you like the Proud Boys or InfoWars because it's their decoys for when they stage a big event.
That's who the deep state's working through.
This is their front.
And Soros' son runs it.
We got the secret documents.
The FBI confirmed they're real.
dan friesen
No, they didn't.
alex jones
Planning to violate citizens' civil rights to keep people from having their speech and to trigger race riots that target local government police departments to overthrow city governments and install globalist over cities in blue cities that aren't under their total control and some red cities.
dan friesen
This is so disconnected.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is.
Oh man, whoever made those fake contracts really did a number on Alex.
They felt like they really confirm a lot of stuff that is just dumb.
jordan holmes
He really wants those contracts to be real.
They have to fight the fact that they are.
I mean, they go against every possible reality.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Every motivation that any actor in the situation would have are completely contradicted by those documents.
jordan holmes
The only people who would ever consider making those documents.
Are you?
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But he needs them to be real because they are proof that Alexander Soros is basically running a terrorist organization.
And as he's talking about it, that leads him to, I'm going to say this.
I don't think that in this clip, Alex is calling for people to kill the Soros family.
Sure.
But I do think it's debatable whether or not that's a message you could take from this clip.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's not a good sentence.
No, it's not.
dan friesen
And neither is this.
alex jones
You understand, folks.
You can't leave Soros and these globalists like Frankenstein going around the villages at night.
That only encourages them.
And so they need to know that we know what to hit.
Why do you think they want us off the air?
We have the Death Star plans to use that allegory.
We have them.
Defeat them.
Defeat them.
Remove them.
Remove them.
No more games.
No more garbage.
These people are freaking evil, man.
Bunch of devil worshiping Aleister Crowley pedophiles.
I'm not going to sit here and let these people run my life or my children's.
What about you?
What about you, people?
dan friesen
The reason I think that that's a potential reading of it is just his normal tone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, the starting with you can't allow people like Soros wandering around on the streets like Frankenstein.
You know, you could make an argument that that's talking about locking him up and incarcerating him.
But it's also like the tone on his show has gotten a lot more violent lately.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
And I think that you could take that and you could, you know, apply context clues of what Alex wants to do to satanic demon pedophiles.
And, you know, you could make a pretty strong case that those elements come together to that being pretty fucked up.
I mean, it's fucked up no matter what.
jordan holmes
I mean, if I remember my Shelly correctly, I do believe the townsfolk, upon being confronted with Frankenstein's monster, decided to hold a free and fair trial and let him out on bail, made sure that everything was.
dan friesen
Due process.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were really into that.
If I recall correctly, that's how they wanted.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it evokes violence being done against these people.
And it's just not good.
It's not good.
So there's a bit of that going on, as is sort of tradition in our modern day episodes.
This is much more regular.
But he doesn't stay on that topic too long because he's got to get back to petty grievances.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
alex jones
He's done a lot of great stuff.
We just need him to really crack the whip here.
I'm not backing down.
I didn't back down whenever.
Grab him by the you know what thing.
Everybody was turning on Trump.
And I called everybody and I said, don't turn on him.
Roger didn't even know what to do at that point.
I said, it's all bull.
It's out of context.
It's locker room talk.
I put out the talking point.
Everybody.
jordan holmes
You're the one?
You're the one.
alex jones
Talk to high-level folks.
I said it.
Locker room talk.
Locker room talk.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
Out of context.
Edited.
unidentified
Old did you help the Mossad assassinate anybody, too?
alex jones
And they're telling him, oh, there's an N-word tape.
And I call people that know Trump really well, and they go, no, he's not racist.
He likes white people a lot, and he likes black women particularly and would never do something like that.
And I went on there and I said, the N-word tape is fake, folks.
But they were trying to panic everything right there to get folks to turn on Trump right at that moment.
And I didn't do it.
dan friesen
So I think it's hilarious the idea that he's like, I started Locker Room Talk.
jordan holmes
That was amazing.
That is a big swing.
dan friesen
Now, that's all ludicrous, but what's worse is this N-word tape.
jordan holmes
Did you know that I started Yes, We Can back in 2007?
dan friesen
I started dot on Avenue.
I started Where's the Beef?
jordan holmes
Oh, did you?
That's a good one.
dan friesen
Look, the funnier thing is Alex's take on the N-word tape thing.
Yeah.
Because if you recall, what happened there was someone trolled Paul Joseph Watson by sending him a Twitter direct message and saying that they were a producer with the ABC, CBI.
I don't remember what network.
jordan holmes
NBC.
dan friesen
Yeah, NBC that had a copy of this tape or had seen it and the media was going to run with it.
This guy was fucking with Paul.
Paul delivered this message to Alex, and in January 2017, Alex was on vacation and recorded this probably on a plane.
You can hear people in the background, but it was such an emergency for him that he needed to get ahead of the story.
alex jones
We are now about three and a half days out from this historic event taking place.
And Paul Watson wrote a big story yesterday concerning an NBC source.
And it looks credible.
I'm not saying the report's credible.
I'm saying that the source, it looks like, is at NBC.
We have quite a few sources.
I'll just leave it at that.
But there's a tape compilation going back over the 14 seasons or whatever of The Apprentice with him sitting in the chair saying things like his son's retarded and making dirty jokes.
I mean, and supposedly the N-word.
You know, the thing about Trump, whether this is true or not, is to talk to people that have known him for a long time is he does like to basically tell dirty jokes, anything that a comedian would do.
And he doesn't even do it that often, but almost like a stress reliever or a way to break the ice.
He will sit there and a lot of times actually deprecate himself as well.
dan friesen
So that was his take on.
I think it's a little different than how he's portraying it now, but whatever, Alex.
jordan holmes
Might be a little bit.
dan friesen
He started Locker Room Talk.
Congratulations on that one.
jordan holmes
I refuse to believe that a human being exists who doesn't.
Look, I don't care if there's a tape or not.
dan friesen
you think that trump doesn't say the n-word you're insane to me i mean if you that's crazy if you look at the decisions he's made about like uh renting his apartments the central park five i think you'd be yeah you'd it's be It's beyond credulity to imagine.
jordan holmes
And I think plenty of people believe that and support him for it.
I think you are beyond ridiculous if you don't think that he.
I mean, that's just silly.
That's just silly.
dan friesen
Alex's take on this person who was trolling him on Twitter was to say that he looks credible without looking into it at all and then do damage control.
jordan holmes
Because obviously he would do that.
dan friesen
Preemptive damage control for the inevitable release of this tape that Alex thinks is coming.
He wasn't saying that, oh, it's not real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Please.
Anyway, Alex goes to calls.
And this first caller is upsetting.
unidentified
I think Trump needs to call out the Marines.
I think he needs to arrest people.
They need to be tried for treason.
alex jones
Because here's the deal.
We all hate the police state.
The police state is what the left's doing lawlessly using the apparatus against the American people.
It's not a police state when you've got internal traitors trying to overthrow the election.
It's what you do.
They've led us to this point.
It's the default position that if he can't get the Justice Department to take action, they need to be arrested.
They need to be cleaned up.
And the American people will support it, damn it.
unidentified
Yes, they will.
They'll be behind him 100%.
Once he's ensconced safely in his second term, Alex, we need to immediately start agitating for what FDR said in World War II.
You don't change horses in the middle of the stream.
He needs a third term.
He needs a third term.
We need to.
jordan holmes
Immediately after getting the second term?
alex jones
Well, that would certainly drive him into connection fits.
dan friesen
You see a little bit of almost exasperation from Alex after this guy was like, he needs a third term.
Because I think that's a little bit too much for Alex to commit to.
But calling out the military and cleaning out his enemies, Alex will double down on that and be like, yes, absolutely.
And also, he needs a third term.
Wow, that would freak out the left.
unidentified
God.
dan friesen
Stupid.
jordan holmes
That's that.
They just.
Does nobody ever read a history book?
dan friesen
Also, that implies that this caller thinks that we're in a situation equivalent to World War II right now.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And see, this is what's great about this imaginary war with these imaginary enemies.
It never will be done.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So if the premise is we can rationalize keeping him in office as long as this war is ongoing, you've backdoored a dictator.
jordan holmes
Dan, are you telling me every fucking how do they how does it still happen?
Isn't that it's bonkers to me?
The idea that you would trust the guy who's currently in government any more than the previous guy in government to bring the Marines in to get rid of their enemies.
Right.
Even if that even if that's real, it's always used to turn everybody into addicts.
dan friesen
And Alex would tell you that 10 years ago.
Alex would warn you about that 10 years ago.
jordan holmes
It's never gone the other way.
And they still do it.
They still cry for it.
These people are insane.
dan friesen
It's wild.
So Alex has tried as best he can to get Trump's attention on this episode.
He's threatened to put a scathing title on one of his videos.
jordan holmes
Oh, it'll do it.
dan friesen
He's said maybe I'm out after you get re-elected.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
Well, he's still got to support him.
dan friesen
And now I think he's descending to implied threats.
alex jones
I want Roger Stone pardoned the day of the sentencing, February 7th.
And Trump better do it.
I mean, it's that simple, damn it.
I mean, my God, Roger Stone, if he wanted to, could destroy Trump.
Okay.
And it's not bad stuff.
It's just what the media would do with what Roger Stone knows about Trump would really hurt Trump, okay?
With evangelicals and others.
It's not like Trump's gay or something, but I mean, you know, I mean, the sordid details would not be good.
And I didn't get that from Roger.
It's just well known, okay?
That Roger was his wingman, you know, and the whole nine yards.
And so just get your buddy out of jail, man.
He didn't do jack crap.
dan friesen
But you didn't lead with he didn't do jack crap.
You led with he has damaging about you.
jordan holmes
He did a ton of evil shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, now he's sort of painting this like, hey, you know, Roger will fuck you over if you don't get him out of prison.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is almost blackmail.
Sort of implied blackmail.
jordan holmes
It is exactly blackmail, I believe.
unidentified
Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's secondhand blackmail?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not good.
So Alex takes another caller.
And hey, guess what?
This one's upsetting, too.
unidentified
Trump said all these things and talked a good talk while he was out on the campaign trail talking about you being locked up when Hillary said that it's a good thing his people with his temperament aren't allowed into law enforcement.
We're done waiting.
We're done sitting here on our hands being told next week, next week it's going to happen.
The indictments are coming down.
We're done.
We're done with the talk.
Like you said earlier, with what Mar said, let's fish or cut bait.
Let's do it.
We're done, waiting.
We're done sitting out here trying to rub two teams together to pay our bills while people are here making millions and billions off of positions and political offices that they've got and they've given it to their children.
We're done.
I don't know about you guys, but in Oklahoma, the good old boys up here, we're about done.
We're done with the talk.
We're done with the waiting.
We're gonna make something happen.
Whether that be good, bad, or in between.
What tyrant has ever given up that power peacefully?
What tyrant has ever walked away without there being bloodshed?
There will be blood, and there's some of us who are ready to shed it.
alex jones
Well, Casey, I would say that they've gone way past the point of where people don't have a right to take action physically.
The problem is they've set it up where they make us the villains at that point.
That's why it's critical to put that violence into action politically, viciously in free speech.
You got a great spirit and great voice there.
And just imagine how much energy you can expand waking people up and letting Trump know that you want action ahead of having to use that type of energy in violence.
They want to start an offensive operation.
You just heard the last caller, and he was dead, dead right.
They want to false flag us.
Obviously, we never target innocent people at a Walmart.
Obviously, we wouldn't just target the police.
Obviously, no, no.
I don't want to target anybody, but people like Nancy Pelosi, people like her son, people like Hunter Biden, all these criminals that think they're above the law, thumbing their nose at us.
Why are they the ones that are never the targets of political violence?
Why is it always a church?
Why is it always innocent people?
Because most of it's staged.
It's anti-foot posing.
They've been caught as patriots carrying out violence.
So I hear your anger, Casey, and God bless you.
But put that anger into action.
Go to a Trump rally peacefully and just wait till he pauses and then say, Pardon Roger Stone, Infowars.com.
And they'll know you're friendly.
They'll agree with you.
And they start saying, InfoWars, InfoWars.
And I bet the chant gets picked up.
And that sends a message to everybody.
And it puts a giant target on my back.
Hey, it's already so big, just make it 10 times bigger.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
I'm half shocked Alex didn't offer him a job, quite frankly.
That that was so this caller is tired of the waiting, which is kind of what happens when you do this to people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When you create a really highly intense thing and then give expectations of, hey, the thing that you're really angry about is going to come and this guy is going to deliver it when you know full well that's not going to come.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Eventually they're going to get to the point where they're really fed up and feel like they're devoid of any other outlet other than this anger and this violent expression.
That's what this caller is manifesting.
It's the logical endpoint of a certain amount of people who get sucked into things like Q. Yep.
So he's expressing this and like, I, you know, there's going to be blood and I'm ready to shed it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex's response to that isn't so much no, it's, hey, they deserve it.
jordan holmes
Of course they do.
dan friesen
They're way past the point of deserving it.
jordan holmes
But don't do it.
dan friesen
It'll make us look bad.
jordan holmes
We'll look terrible if you murder all of those people for things that didn't happen and aren't real.
dan friesen
Why aren't Nancy Pelosi?
Why isn't she ever the target of the people?
jordan holmes
Nobody's ever killing them.
I'm not saying you should.
dan friesen
An irresponsible thing to say in the context of this conversation.
And then it leads to, hey, don't be violent.
Just give me free press.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Go to a Trump rally and yell infowars.com.
dan friesen
That'll make everything better.
This is really bad.
Man, this is really, really bad.
jordan holmes
That is, that is like if you have whipped people up into that much of a frenzy, if he had been in public saying that to all of his fans, they would have booed him roundly.
There is no way.
You don't whip up a mob frenzy and then go, and now, whoa, whoa, whoa, you guys are acting all crazy.
We need to focus on a letter-writing campaign.
dan friesen
You put up signs of promoting my show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Burn the witches and curl them all.
But whoa, whoa, let's not actually commit any violence.
We just need to put up signs saying no more witches here.
Come on.
dan friesen
It's absurd.
But you see that repeatedly.
That's what Alex keeps doing.
He's trying to transmute this violent anger that is the natural end point of the disappointment of these aspiring authoritarian followers.
And he's trying to take that and be like, how can I monetize this?
Instead of recognizing it as a really dangerous sign about what the community that he speaks to is like a very high percentage of these callers are deeply disturbing calls.
And I've never found his calls to be great or healthy.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But a much higher number of them lately have been along these lines.
And it's not something that he should take lightly or be you should feel responsible for it.
jordan holmes
No, it feels like for the past, what, 13 years, the right-wing media machine has been edging 18 to 35-year-old men with the white mouth violent guns with all these guns and then just never let giving them that release.
And now it's really coming to the point of a boil.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like so many of these guys are just like, you've told me that there's tyrants.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You've told me everybody's going to killed.
dan friesen
When do I kill people?
You promised.
jordan holmes
You promised I'd get to kill.
dan friesen
I find that to be upsetting.
And I think Alex is in a situation where he has a responsibility to deal with it.
And he's not.
Anyway, we have one last clip because Alex promised to reveal the big secret of the Illuminati and the New World Order.
unidentified
He did.
dan friesen
So here's the thing.
He has Richard Reeve in.
Richard Reeves, I don't know.
He's a friend of his.
jordan holmes
He's just a buddy.
dan friesen
He's credited as a reporter.
I don't know if he is.
He was just somebody who Infowars had out at like Trump rallies back in 2016.
He doesn't come up much.
I don't.
I don't.
jordan holmes
He's a free lane.
dan friesen
I don't know who the fuck this dude is.
jordan holmes
Fuck him.
I don't know.
dan friesen
But anyway, he's a big Trump supporter, and he keeps wanting to butt in.
But Alex is like, I'm, no, I'm going to, we got to take calls.
We'll get to what you want later.
It keeps getting pushed back.
jordan holmes
He's not getting the Steve Pachenic treatment.
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
Well, actually, kind of, because Steve kept wanting to plug his book, and Alex pushed him back.
That's fair.
So Richard has something he wants to get out.
And it's basically that we should bring back American empire.
So, really?
steve pieczenik
Yes.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Where Alex goes with that is very upsetting, and I think an invalidation of his entire career.
So mic down for this, because the secret of the New World Order is upon us.
unidentified
What I wanted to mention is before you leave, I know you got to cut out.
You've got a lot of work to do, but why does our flag only have 50 stars?
You know, recently it came out in the news two or three months ago that Trump was looking at buying Greenland or whatever.
And of course, you know, now the home country or whatever is probably not going to want to sell it.
Well, hell, why don't we just go ahead and do an expansionist effort and potentially make bring in other states of the union all over the planet?
You know, in no, I agree.
alex jones
Because people want us to actually sign on with us.
And you're not expanding, you're contracting.
Instead of the TRICOMs, just taking people over, how about we say, hey, you want to sign on?
Bring them in that way.
unidentified
Exactly.
We could have 100.
alex jones
That's what globalists are doing.
They're rallying populations, not even for their own interests, but against America.
We should be rallying nations for everybody.
unidentified
Exactly.
The country.
alex jones
That was the big secret of the New World Order: they sold it as that, but then it wasn't what it was.
Trump can take the whole New World Order over now, make it ideological, and people want to join it without being made to it.
unidentified
There's no reason why we can't have 100 stars in that blue field.
I think that we just have to highly vet countries.
We should approach countries that are most like ours, that the people are ready.
I mean, what about Leon, it's me that's Chikoms.
alex jones
Exactly.
You don't understand there's competing ideas here.
People need to get with the program.
dan friesen
We need to get with the program.
Trump could take over the New World Order and make a one-world government.
Alex has backdoored himself into a one-world government.
jordan holmes
No.
Refuse.
unidentified
The big secret of the New World Order is they're doing this thing bad, but Trump could do it good.
jordan holmes
There should be a court order to send these guys to some sort of school.
Like any sort of, you should have to, no community service, no jail time.
You have to go to classes and learn about the shit you are saying.
Because you have no.
dan friesen
Should be nice.
jordan holmes
You hate immigration so much.
So let's just let them become states and then they have free right to travel.
Oh, God, these people are so fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, all Alex is doing there is, I mean, it is an extension of what Richard is bringing, that there should be expansionism, bring back the days of colonial empiring and whatnot, which probably isn't a good idea.
No.
jordan holmes
Even in a soft way where they get to vote to join the union or whatever it is they want.
dan friesen
The only question that I really have is, is that what Alex was going to reveal as the big secret of the new world order, or was that improvised?
jordan holmes
That's a really good question.
dan friesen
Because if it is, I'm flummoxed by the big secret of the new world order being now Trump can make an ideological new world order.
If that was intended, that's insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If he's just riffing around, that's what his brain came to.
I think it implies on some level he does want a one-world government, but he's not going to be able to do it.
jordan holmes
Well, it's the only thing that makes sense.
dan friesen
The United States.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The one-world government.
So fucking stupid.
Every single thing about what he pretends to stand for is completely invalidated.
jordan holmes
Against a one-world government asterisk.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair.
jordan holmes
Unless Trump and slash white nationalists are the one world government.
dan friesen
To be fair, he is saying that if we don't do it, China will.
So at least he has some excuse there.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Secondarily, he's not necessarily talking about a one-world government.
He's just talking about 100 countries around the world that are now all America fighting with the other countries that are now China.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I guess he wants two world governments that will be in a battle for supremacy, which will end up.
jordan holmes
It's a final bipolar war.
dan friesen
Or it will end with one of them being successful, and then we'll have a one-world government.
jordan holmes
Which naturally means that most likely both of them will be destroyed.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Cool.
dan friesen
This is dumb.
jordan holmes
Go to school.
dan friesen
This is very dumb.
jordan holmes
Go to any school.
dan friesen
This is very childish stuff.
Jesus Christ.
I just see, I see a very weird mixture.
First of all, nothing Christmassy about any of this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Very disappointing you didn't throw any accents.
I would have preferred that.
Yeah, definitely.
No singing, have yourself a Merry Little Christmas.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
A lot of saying that he's better than Jesus, that's for sure.
dan friesen
At least one instance.
jordan holmes
At least once.
dan friesen
You know, there's just this mixture of really petulant child stuff, like the, I want Trump's attention so badly, why won't you give it to me?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You must crush my enemies and you're not doing it for me.
You have that mixed in with these completely ludicrous ideas.
Like Steve Pieczenik coming in, talking about the end of representative government.
The South has risen again.
I killed Itzak Rabin.
jordan holmes
I like that, though.
dan friesen
Right, but you have that.
jordan holmes
He threw some fastballs in that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then Richard Reeve coming in and them having a conversation about a need for us to be a one-world government, expansionist nonsense.
You have these completely ludicrous ideas being presented.
Like, how would you have America expand while Texas and Florida secede?
What are we talking about?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What the fuck are we talking about?
jordan holmes
Well, okay, we're going to have Texas and Florida secede.
We are going to add in, let's go with Uruguay.
Sure.
That one's ours now.
Great.
I'm going to go with We Split Australia in half.
Okay.
We'll take Sydney.
They get Melbourne.
What else?
Who else do you want?
Are we fantasy drafting a one-world government?
I think that's what they're doing.
I think that's what they're doing.
dan friesen
Those two things can't really coexist as ideas.
They're dissonant ideas.
So, I mean, it's just, you're just talking bullshit to the audience.
Like, all of these ideas are bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then at the same time, the third element of it is this input from callers is growing to a point of really scary input that mirrors some pretty scary things Alex is saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you have these three trends that are just like, I don't even, the show is, it's very bad.
It's interesting to me, but only in as much as like I just continue to be just overwhelmed by the idea that people listen to it and take it seriously.
Yeah.
Especially in the present day, the more I listen to it, it's like, I can't believe people can't see through what he's doing.
jordan holmes
He can't see through what Trump is doing, I guess.
dan friesen
But he can.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
dan friesen
You can see that he can.
jordan holmes
He can, but he can't.
dan friesen
He can.
jordan holmes
He can't bring himself to.
And I imagine that's the same thing that so many of his listeners do.
dan friesen
He can't bring himself to because there's a financial motive to not.
I mean, I'm not sure how many of his audience members have.
jordan holmes
Well, there's at least an emotional and it sucks to admit you've been scammed.
True.
It sucks to admit that the person that you believe so much is actually a lying piece of shit grifting.
True.
So it is a common response to just say, nope, doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Fine.
Everyone's in denial.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Everyone's in denial.
That I believe.
dan friesen
Yes.
And it's leading towards a dangerous conflagration.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So we will see what happens with that.
Hooray.
unidentified
Merry Christmas and happy holidays.
dan friesen
And now I will throw a hatchet.
jordan holmes
All right.
Where are we going to?
We do not have a large studio.
dan friesen
I hit the camera.
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
You're right.
We're on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, not go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are indeed.
We are also on iTunes and other podcastual apps.
Please download, donate, review the whole shebang.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Do it all.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
jordan holmes
Dare you.
dan friesen
Until then.
I'm Neo.
unidentified
I'm Leo.
dan friesen
I'm DZX Clark.
I single-handedly took down the Soviet Union.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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