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Dec. 30, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#382: December 23-27, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at how things played out over Christmas week over on the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex checks in with his old psych warfare buddy who has some troubling things to say. Also, Alex reveals the big secret of the New World Order.

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alex jones
27:04
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dan friesen
01:05:34
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jordan holmes
22:02
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steve pieczenik
03:01
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Party house.
Rattler.
Rattler.
alex jones
Need.
unidentified
Need money.
Rattler.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Rattler.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time calling.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your world.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Knowledge fight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
You have read mountains of material for this show over the past year, but Dan, have you read anything in 2019 that you enjoyed?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Short answer.
jordan holmes
Moving on.
dan friesen
No, have not.
I had started out the year with an intention of having, for recreational reading, I was going to try and read as much Philip K. Dick as I could.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I was going to try and read chronologically through Philip K. Dick and figure out what...
Did he start out completely insane?
Was it a gradual process?
And I made it through maybe three or four of his books before I just got too busy with all this show-related reading.
I just didn't have a whole lot of time for that recreational reading.
I decided he was...
Less crazy, certainly, in the late 50s when you started with Bring Yourselves Together, I believe.
That was the first book.
First few just kind of left me cold.
Maybe 2020.
Maybe I'll get it back on it.
Start back over on the list.
But yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
We'll see.
Unfortunately, as I've discovered, I do enjoy reading stuff for this show more than I enjoy.
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Oh boy, that's a damning indictment.
dan friesen
I'd rather read John Birch Society materials than sci-fi.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's where we're at.
jordan holmes
That's 2019 in a nutshell.
dan friesen
I suppose so.
Happy New Year.
Put a button on it.
So, Jordan, today we're doing the Alex Jones Christmas Spectacular.
unidentified
Hey!
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
To refresh everyone's memory, last year on Christmas Eve, Alex Jones did an episode where he got drunk and threw hatchets around the studio.
It was maybe one of the more fun things we've ever experienced.
jordan holmes
It was a highlight.
dan friesen
If you've not listened to that episode, I highly recommend everyone go back and listen to Last Christmas Eve's 2018 episode.
Because it's bizarre.
Alex tries to hit one of his cameras with a hatchet.
jordan holmes
He genuinely does.
dan friesen
He explicitly is disappointed that he didn't hit one of his own...
jordan holmes
A very expensive device!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that set the bar pretty high.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's going to be tough to top that.
dan friesen
Today we're going to be going over December 23rd through 27th of Alex's show.
And unfortunately, it's only actually the 23rd and the 27th, because Alex took off for the holidays.
He just had rebroadcast and best of episodes for Christmas Eve, Christmas, and the 26th.
jordan holmes
Were there a hatchet throwing at them?
dan friesen
That is the best of.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
But no, I did not listen to his best of.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, all right.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business, see what he does for the holidays this year.
Before we get to that, we've got to take a little moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Peter, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Peter.
dan friesen
Thank you, Pete.
Next, Melissa, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Melissa.
dan friesen
Thank you, Melissa.
Next, Janina, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jelena.
dan friesen
Janina.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Next, Kevin.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Kevin.
Next, I downloaded TikTok as a joke.
Now I'm hopelessly addicted.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks!
dan friesen
I downloaded TikTok as a joke and now I am hopelessly addicted.
Thank you so much.
Next, Wyatt.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Wyatt.
dan friesen
Next, Leanna.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Leanna.
Next, Morgan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Morgan.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, Elizabeth.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Elizabeth.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And then finally, Mick.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Mick.
dan friesen
Thank you, Mick.
If you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It'd be delightful.
dan friesen
So now, Jordan, we have...
Two out-of-context drops for today's show.
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas indeed, Dan.
dan friesen
And one of them is...
I guess they're both kind of upsetting, but here's the first one.
alex jones
Of course we're violent.
Of course we're crazy.
Everybody wants to come here.
That's who we are.
Let's embrace it.
We're maniacs.
dan friesen
That seems pretty...
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
Hey, we're nuts.
jordan holmes
Let's just be cool with it.
dan friesen
Now, the flip side of that.
alex jones
And I almost feel like...
I'm being a little whiny bitch.
dan friesen
Okay.
It's got a lot of mood swings, a lot of ups and downs.
jordan holmes
I enjoy Christmas music swelling behind a man saying, I feel like a whiny bitch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Merry Christmas, Alex.
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas, Alex.
dan friesen
So Alex starts on the 23rd here complaining because everyone that he knows and he works with is Shadowband.
They're all...
jordan holmes
Everybody got shadowbanned.
dan friesen
Well, they're all doing such great investigative work, but it doesn't matter because they're shadowbanned.
And honestly, this just made me laugh a lot because I would describe this as Alex having a false start on the episode and getting a penalty.
alex jones
You know, one of my greatest frustrations is one of my greatest joys.
It's that my crew, our reporters, our researchers, just churn out five-star research and information like that John Bowne report.
That is so incredibly important.
Shadowband everywhere.
The only place you're going to find it is at band.video.
And if you get excited to share it, millions will see it.
If not, the enemy will win.
We'll be right back with the full launch.
dan friesen
Shadowband.
jordan holmes
Shadowband.
dan friesen
I feel like that's a full start because he's like, I will be back with the real launch of the show.
This isn't the real launch.
It did seem like that.
Guys, we would do this over.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Let's take this one more time.
dan friesen
I just complimented John Bound too much.
Start it over.
So, I would say about the first 20 minutes or so of this episode is just Alex trying to stress to the audience that without them, he can't do anything.
He keeps using this metaphor that the audience is the gun, and he himself is creating bullets for them to shoot.
These bullets are useless without guns, and he really needs you to shoot people with his information.
jordan holmes
I don't like this metaphor very much.
dan friesen
I mean, if you're in an info war...
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Makes sense there would be info guns.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's something that Alex says a lot, but there seems to be a particular focus on this episode of this idea.
It almost feels like there was a meeting behind the scenes where they decided that they really need to focus on raising engagement.
This needs to be the focus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex is spending the first 20 minutes of his show being like, you guys need to repost my shit.
You need to shoot the bullets.
Alex also promises there's a big report on Epstein coming that he's working on with Rob Dew and an alleged whistleblower.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He's saying it's bombshell stuff, but given our recent developments with Rob and sources, I don't feel like we should put too much stock into that.
jordan holmes
Right.
Is he going to remove a computer chip from Epstein's corpse?
dan friesen
No, that also does not come back up.
jordan holmes
That also does not come back up.
dan friesen
I've not heard hide nor hair of this in-studio surgery.
jordan holmes
Unsurprising.
dan friesen
Alex also promises a big report on the evils of vaccines set to drop on Christmas morning, which you can then post all over social media and hopefully ruin everyone you know's holiday.
The war on Christmas isn't saying happy holidays.
It's producing nonsense anti-vax social media content for everyone to put all over the place.
You wake up, you're like, what the fuck?
unidentified
Yeah, that makes Christmas lunch so much better.
dan friesen
So the first 20 minutes, half hour of the show is just this.
Repost my shit.
We got this Epstein report coming.
Anti-fax special!
unidentified
Ha-ha!
dan friesen
Ooh, how exciting.
So it's very dry territory.
And then Alex lets us know we have big things a-comin'.
alex jones
I've been interviewing Dr. Steve Pchenik, who really was a spy chief, really did overthrow governments on record.
The character Jack Ryan's based on for 18 years.
Since 2002, since early 2002.
February 2002 is the first time I've ever interviewed him.
He's going to be on with us for an hour and a half, starting at the bottom of the next hour to cover the waterfront.
A lot of stuff he just wants to get out there before this year ends.
And he's ready to release a lot of information.
I'll just leave it at that.
dan friesen
Steve Pachana coming back on for Christmas.
jordan holmes
What did he have all this information in his garage or something?
He's like, oh, we got to get this out of here by the end of the year.
unidentified
Should have put this out after Boxing Day last year.
dan friesen
He's got actually a really big revelation.
I will say that there is an admission that Steve makes on the show that, first of all, I don't believe, but were true, would be internationally important.
jordan holmes
I gotta be honest, guys.
I'm the Zodiac Killer.
It's me.
dan friesen
That's not his style.
That's not his style.
Because the Zodiac Killer didn't attack heads of state.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
We'll get to that when we get to it.
But there is something definitely big that Steve has to...
He has a Christmas gift, let's say.
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about how, like, hey man, you know, a lot of people are awake now.
You know, people are awake.
Sure.
And that's a real victory.
jordan holmes
Is it?
dan friesen
Well, when he talks about it being a real victory, that all these people are awake to the power structure and what have you, he compares it to a different victory that happened historically.
And I do feel like he's comparing that victory unfavorably to the current victory.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
You'll understand what I'm saying here in a second.
alex jones
You know, it was 3% started and saw through the Revolutionary War against an empire, never been defeated.
Ladies and gentlemen, we've probably got 30% of the public that's hardcore aware now and know how the system works.
It was probably 10% five years ago.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
When you've got 30% aware of what's going on, did they decide to move and take action economically, militarily, spiritually?
So I'm going to explain something here.
This isn't an overly positive statement.
It's the truth.
We have won.
And we won back at Calvary with Jesus Christ when God took on our sins as a sacrifice and gave us an example to live by.
But we've really won now and the globalists know that.
They just want to take as many innocent people with them as they can.
Too many souls.
dan friesen
So I don't know if you want to, like a couple days before Christmas particularly, want to be talking about how when Jesus died for your sins, that was a victory.
But now, this is a real victory.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It does seem to be just based on sentence structure that Alex believes somehow 30% of the population believing what he believes is a greater victory than Jesus dying for our sins on the cross.
jordan holmes
I believe he is comparing His current...
Also...
dan friesen
The state of the Infowar.
unidentified
Also, he's shitting a little bit on the Revolutionary War, too?
jordan holmes
And isn't that also an insult to the 30% where he's like, it only took 3% to start the Revolutionary War.
We got 30% and now you idiots are doing anything!
dan friesen
Well, it's defensive.
It's defensive now.
Yeah, I think there's a piece of it that's certainly offensive to the Revolutionary War, but I think I'm more interested.
A little more interested.
And denigrating what should be a pivotal moment in history for him.
jordan holmes
He's got Jesus on the brain.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And naturally, when you're thinking about Jesus on Christmas...
You have to throw a little shade on him and tell him that he didn't do shit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You started the victory, but the real victory is 2019.
dan friesen
Did Jesus dying on the cross tell 30% of the population about the globalists?
No!
jordan holmes
No. 3% didn't even believe him back then.
dan friesen
Jesus didn't even sell iodine.
unidentified
Praise Jesus on this, his holiest birthday.
jordan holmes
Maybe next time you'll resurrect to me, but...
I got this one, buddy.
dan friesen
Weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex has got news.
You know, just tons of it.
Sure.
And it's very important stuff, too.
Like, comedian Michelle Wolfe made a joke.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex is not happy about it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
This is cancer.
And it wants to normalize itself to you.
But here is Michelle Wolfe in her latest event on stage in front of a couple thousand people cheering, talking about a mother.
Killing her baby so that she has power and plays God.
There's never been a more satanically pure statement made.
This is the definition of Satanism.
Here it is.
unidentified
You know, we talk about it so negatively that you feel like you should have this sense of shame after you get an abortion.
Well, you can feel any way you want after you get an abortion.
Get one!
See how you feel.
You know how my abortion made me feel?
Very powerful.
You know how people say you can't play God?
*crowd cheers*
I walked out of there being like, move over, Morgan Freeman!
I am God!
Don't knock it until you try it.
And when you do try it, really knock it.
You know, you gotta get that baby out of there.
alex jones
Normalizing that a mother's power is killing her baby for her own satanic selfishness and enjoying it and cheering it.
dan friesen
So, I mean, you can see what's going on here.
This is completely bizarre.
Like, Alex in the past, the very recent past, has made a huge deal out of being one of those free speech types, especially as it relates to comedy.
All the people complaining about racism are just uptight SJWs.
PewDiePie is just joking when he has people hold up signs that say kill the Jews.
It's totally a fun joke how Count Dankula taught his dog to seek Heil.
It's comedy, and encroaching on comedy is an attack on language in the First Amendment.
But now, Michelle Wolf has made a joke he disagrees with, so it's pure Satanism.
It's just sad.
And more to the point, it's lazy.
It's lazy as hell.
Alex provides no cogent argument for why this joke Michelle Wolf made is normalizing something, and the other jokes he's defended that offended other people are not.
The exact same line of attack he's taking here applies equally well to Count Ancule's supposed joke.
He's normalizing Nazism.
Here, Alex is embodying the very behavior he claims to hate so much in the left.
And if I were Paul Joseph Watson, I would Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
To record promo after promo adopting a racist Asian accent.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because it would offend the libs.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's all.
And now we're getting a really tame joke.
dan friesen
Michelle Wolfe made a joke.
Michelle Wolfe made a joke.
alex jones
I can't handle it.
jordan holmes
All I hear is exhausted screeching.
That's all I hear.
dan friesen
I mean, I'm more offended by the laziness.
jordan holmes
It's fine if I do it.
It's wrong if you do it.
Moving on.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
Good times.
jordan holmes
God, what an asshole.
dan friesen
So there's other news.
jordan holmes
Is there?
Is there more news about Michelle Wolf?
Because I feel like that's going to come up again.
dan friesen
No, not much.
I think it probably does come back up later, but not in any greater detail.
Just more Michelle Wolf is a Satanist or something.
Did you know that recently a town of cannibals was discovered?
Because it wasn't, but Alex is reporting that it was.
alex jones
All over the world, civilizations are discovered that had plenty of water and plenty of food when they collapsed, and there's not even signs of disease, but they're all gone.
And you know what they always find?
Giant masses of skeletons that have been eaten.
Just a few months ago, archaeologists in Germany found a town in Germany that's about 8,000 years old, and they found tens of thousands of skeletons that had been butchered and eaten, and the scientists studied it and found out they were people from all over Europe, some of them over 2,000 miles away, that had been taken there to be eaten.
I meant to cover that story on air.
You can just type it in.
Stone Age town found in Germany.
It was based on cannibalism.
You're like, why would they do that?
dan friesen
Why would they do that?
jordan holmes
I don't know why they would do that.
Why would they do that?
dan friesen
That sounds out there.
jordan holmes
It just doesn't seem like a sustainable model, really.
dan friesen
Alex is talking about a recent discovery in modern-day Poland of a site near Kosturzyn.
jordan holmes
Couldn't even get the fucking country right.
dan friesen
Nope.
Well, I mean, to be fair, there was Germanic tribes, and so it's easy to confuse.
At this site, archaeologists have found 12 burial pits that appear to go back to the first century BCE.
One of the things that they're saying is really notable about this find is that the people there were buried using different types of funeral rituals.
That isn't super shocking since Poland is in the middle of an area where there's a rich archaeological tradition with very old sites from various Germanic tribes being found fairly regularly.
But why that's the case is not a completely answered question.
Why are there so many different styles of burial in the same site?
jordan holmes
It's very weird.
dan friesen
So the varying funeral traditions, as well as the presence of trinkets from pretty far away, are both aspects of the site that make it a very compelling one for researchers.
But literally nothing I can find about this story involves cannibals.
There's no indication that anyone was brought to this town from far away to be eaten.
There are no archaeologists who are studying the actual site or saying any of this kind of stuff.
Quite frankly, unless there's some stories that I'm missing, and I've read a number of them, so I don't know.
Maybe there's some weird one that I missed.
I'm inclined to say that Alex is literally making all of this up.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
You have to take cannibalism a little bit more seriously, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
This is not something you can joke about, like an abortion or whatever.
dan friesen
I have two possible explanations for what I think might be going on.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
The first is that he might be making this up because I know that he never reads stories, just he reads headlines and then riffs on them.
The headline in the Express about the discovery of this site is, quote, Archaeology shock.
Gruesome discovery of mass graves and mystery urns stuns archaeologists.
Which you could see Alex turning into a story of finding the remains of a cannibal community.
It's gruesome.
Mass graves.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thanks, Express.
You guys are great.
dan friesen
The rest of the details that Alex repeats about this...
Most of them are in the sub-headline, so it would be a pretty easy bet that Alex just saw the headline, his brain interpreted it, and turned it to what we just heard.
unidentified
Sure!
jordan holmes
Cannibals!
dan friesen
And none of that's based on anything, except his fucked up head.
The other possible explanation is that Alex is taking details from this new dig site and combining it with details about Herxheim, a very famous mass grave site in Germany that was discovered in 1996 and definitely showed signs of ritualistic cannibalism taking place at the time of about 5000 BCE.
A 2009 study of that site, Herxheim, Sure.
The point here is that...
Even if Alex is just combining these two sites into one, even the most ghastly stuff about Herxheim is not concretely proven.
And there's a large element of this story that's absolutely just coming from Alex and his imagination.
They all collapse.
Collapse into cannibalism.
They find it everywhere.
It's the same thing with the Black Pyramid stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're just making this shit up.
jordan holmes
I'm leaning more towards my theory that Alex will always bring up cannibalism if he is hungry.
That is my new theory that I'm working on.
Because every time he brings up cannibalism, he does have a certain amount of, like, they used to eat people.
He used to just nosh them up.
They used to pull the marrow out of their bones.
I'm so fucking hungry.
I want a chicken wing!
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Like, that's just how I feel about it.
dan friesen
You have a compelling theory here.
I don't know how we would test that, but maybe we start sending Snickers bars to the Inforer's studio to see if this language stops.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then whenever we cut off the Snickers bars, uh-oh, talking about cannibalism all over again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's the 23rd.
Alex knows he's going on break after this for the holiday.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I would say that there is not much Christmas talk.
jordan holmes
That's not surprising.
dan friesen
It's surprising to me.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's feeling very Christmassy.
alex jones
Oh, he is not.
jordan holmes
He's getting taken down from all sides.
dan friesen
Yeah, he is not.
He is not feeling in the spirit.
jordan holmes
He's very scroogey right now.
dan friesen
But there is a little bit of religious talk, but it's all the same standard stuff.
jordan holmes
I'm better than Jesus.
The Infowar wins.
dan friesen
That was weird.
That was weird.
But God gave him a mission.
That kind of stuff.
So that's a little bit here in this next clip.
alex jones
We've got to strike while the iron's hot.
God isn't giving us this type of providence and protection because we're so great.
It's happening because we're willing to do it and God will use these imperfect vessels.
But we have been given the commission to fight the enemy and we will carry it out.
And I'll tell you this.
A lot of people can see that I've lost a lot of weight.
It's almost 40 pounds now.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
alex jones
I'm eating the same way I was.
Everything.
Except...
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
I am religiously taking the supplements.
unidentified
Boom.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Christmas spirit is in full effect.
jordan holmes
I am religiously taking the...
Oh, God.
dan friesen
The reason for the season is a lot of ad pivots.
There are so many in this episode.
Just constant.
God gave me a mission.
I'm going to carry it out.
And I'll tell you what, I've lost a lot of weight.
Everyone knows it.
They can see it.
And it's because I'm taking my supplement.
jordan holmes
Sacrament?
More like supplement, my friend.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm doing.
dan friesen
It's really intense, the level of pivoting that's going on on this episode.
jordan holmes
Man, you know, these guys, they just...
These are the same people who are decrying how materialistic the holidays have become.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So materialistic.
dan friesen
There is an irony to that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
There is an irony.
So, Alex comes back from break, and he wants to talk about some of the good stuff that's happening in the world.
Some of the signs that things are going well.
And one of them has to do with, I think he's making up numbers, polling numbers.
alex jones
But something I want to get into right now is some very good news.
Young people in major polls, I've got several articles on it, are against abortion of any type.
And it's accelerating the younger people get into teenage years of over 70% in most polls, somewhere in the 60s.
And it's women, girls, that are leading the charge in that, which shows all their propaganda is backfiring.
And so the attempt to say, oh, it's fun to kill babies, try it out, well, that's not going to work either.
So there's a real revulsion happening.
dan friesen
Against Michelle Wolf's joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Who's doing those polls on Michelle Wolf jokes?
dan friesen
I can't even find anything close to the data that Alex is using here.
I have no idea.
Like, nothing I can find comes close to the contention that 60-70% of young people are opposed to all abortion.
In fact, all the credible data I can find on this issue is the exact opposite.
The most recent polling from Pew Research from this summer had support for all or most abortion being legal standing at 61%, which is the highest point that question has polled at in over 20 years.
The only groups that have levels of opposition to abortion that are close to what Alex is saying are white evangelicals at 77%, and Republicans at 62%.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
I honestly have no idea what polls Alex is talking about, and he never says, and I can't find an article about this on Infowars, so I have to assume he's either just making it up, saw a meme, or something.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think he pulled a youth Bible study.
I think he pulled a youth Bible study at the church that he doesn't go to anymore.
Something like that, because...
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
Young people are opposed to all abortion?
dan friesen
Come on, man.
All cases.
I don't know.
And every single article that I can find has headlines like, the next generation is leading the charge on greater access to reproductive health.
Like, all of them.
So I don't know.
jordan holmes
Every article about the next generation is either...
They are leading the charge in the fight to make the world a better place or they're destroying craft breweries.
Those are the only two types of article about young people.
dan friesen
I think that there's more ideological diversity in the young set.
For sure!
Than some articles may paint it to be.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But I can't find any actual indication that there's 60-70% universal opposition to abortion.
jordan holmes
Especially among young women.
You know.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
I would just say I need a citation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would like one too.
I would like one too.
dan friesen
And it is not given.
So...
This is interesting.
Alex plays a special report.
Maybe he was hungry and needed to get a snack.
Maybe you're onto something.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a special report, I guess.
I mean, you could call it a special report.
It's really just a segment of Howard Stern's show where they have a guy doing an Alex impression, making fun of him.
The whole thing is this guy doing the impression.
He's just hawking products shamelessly and saying stupid shit.
So it's a pretty accurate piece of parody.
Honestly, I feel like Alex would only play that if he thought his audience is completely on the hook.
Because the risk of them seeing someone making fun of how Alex sells shit and realizing that's not parody.
That's exactly what Alex does.
It seems high.
It seems like a high likelihood.
jordan holmes
It does seem like the emperor walking around with no clothes is not lying anymore.
He's just like, I'm fucking naked!
You tell me I'm wearing clothes!
I don't even give a shit anymore!
unidentified
It's weird.
dan friesen
But I suspect at this point Alex needs to self-aggrandize.
So the fact that he's important enough to be made fun of by Howard Stern is something he could bank on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he's the biggest radio show ever in the last 20 years.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And they make fun of me because I'm relevant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the only thing worse than people talking about me is people not talking about me.
So, yeah, yeah.
I get that.
dan friesen
He plays a whole segment of it.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
He plays a whole segment of it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
How long?
Like, 15 minutes?
dan friesen
No, no.
I mean, it's maybe like five, four or five minutes.
But it's still extended.
That's long.
Yeah.
So, after that, we get our guest.
alex jones
I want to say Merry Christmas to all of our audience and to Dr. Steve Pacinic.
I'm not going to get into his whole bio, but he helped run the Camp David Accords.
That's how long he's been around.
He helped found Delta Force.
He's done a whole bunch of stuff since then.
He's on record overthrowing governments.
He's talked about it on air before and gotten called into federal court over it.
I mean, so he's got to be careful about how much stuff he gets to here on air.
But you talk about a source.
There's all these Q fantasies and stuff.
I mean, this is a real guy that's been around a long time and knows a lot of stuff.
This is a real deal.
dan friesen
This is a real deal.
Not that Q bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's really mad at Q still.
So Steve is on.
And I love the way that the two times that Alex has talked about Steve already in this episode, it's been like, he really has done this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
As if he's defensive about it.
jordan holmes
The first time he went through Steve's, I was like, are you telling me or are you telling you?
Because I'm not convinced either way.
dan friesen
I swear to God, he's not bullshitting.
He is bullshitting.
jordan holmes
One time, I think he might have gone to Korea for me, guys.
I think he might have.
He didn't, but I think he might have.
dan friesen
So it's really interesting that Alex prefaces this by saying that Steve needs to be very careful about what he says on air.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because immediately out of the gates, Steve says something he should not say on air.
steve pieczenik
And ironically, now I can say because an Israeli operative died, I was involved in a coup, which Israelis did not know, the assassination of Rabin.
This is the first ever heard of, because I had interviewed Rabin, and I found him to be exceedingly depressed.
I related to one of Bibi's right-hand men, and in turn, Rabin was assassinated, not for the Oslo agreement, but because he was so depressed, he could not function.
dan friesen
I don't even want to play games where I start taking anything Steve says seriously, but it's fun that he's now announcing he was involved in the assassination of Heath Sock Rabin.
unidentified
Is he proud of that?
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like it.
jordan holmes
It seems like he's proud of it.
And not even that, he just told somebody that he seemed depressed and then they assassinated him?
That's his idea of him being involved in an assassination?
dan friesen
He explains it later and he talked to some Mossad guys.
jordan holmes
He's like, this dude is really depressed.
Just so you know, I'm worried about him.
dan friesen
And then they killed him.
jordan holmes
We should get him some help.
No, you killed?
Okay, well, you know, there are two ways to solve that problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's absurd.
Small point to bring up here, though, is that Yitzhak Rabin...
Dean was assassinated in 1995, which would have been in the Clinton years.
And I don't think that even in Steve's fake story of his life, he was supposed to have been at the State Department under Clinton.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
As I recall, he pretends that he was there under Bush Sr. and Reagan, but I don't remember it extending past into the Clinton years.
jordan holmes
I assume that as more agents from around the world die, we're going to find out he's been involved in a lot more assassinations.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
I bet.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I was in the State Department when Kennedy was shot.
dan friesen
Man, I don't know.
Maybe this is part of his mythology.
jordan holmes
I am Sirhan Sirhan!
dan friesen
Maybe it is part of his mythology that he was there under Clinton, but either way, there's no evidence he was there past 1979, so I don't believe any of this shit.
Alex really wants Steve to talk about Epstein on this episode.
He really wants to get Steve's take on it.
Meanwhile, Steve wants to promote his new memoir.
jordan holmes
That's a surprise!
dan friesen
Which I am very excited to read.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, that is going to be the greatest work of fiction I think I've ever heard of.
dan friesen
Alex is not all that interested in helping Steve plug his book too much.
Really wants to talk about Epstein.
But then, he gets a little bit more than he asked for.
Because Steve is still on the Epstein is still alive kick.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And now he's also fully on board with...
Epstein was working to compromise people on behalf of Mossad as his narrative.
He's part of Israeli intelligence.
Which is not a road Alex necessarily wants to go down, I don't think.
In the past, we've often seen Alex be confronted by far-out conspiracy theories coming from Steve.
He'll often resist their insanity for a little while, but in time, he starts to weaken.
Steve is very persuasive, and Alex is gullible, and we start to see this dynamic playing out again.
alex jones
It is true that the body they took out on the stretcher, and this was mainline photos, AP, you name it, is not the same ear.
The ear doesn't even look halfway the same.
Put that back on screen, please, guys.
That's from the photo of the Daily Mail everybody ran.
That is a real photo, and it's not even the same ear.
It looks nothing like it.
dan friesen
So Alex is now helping Steve create support for his Epstein still alive that wasn't his body narrative.
That's wild.
And right off the bat, those pictures mean nothing.
Even if the pictures used for comparison had no obvious problems with them, it would still probably mean nothing.
But they do have serious problems.
jordan holmes
Of course they do.
dan friesen
For one, the picture of Epstein alive that they used for the comparison was taken 15 years ago.
The only facial features that are supposedly suspicious in being different in the pictures are the nose and ears, which are made of cartilage and change in appearance over time, sometimes significantly.
jordan holmes
That changes over time is cartilage.
Your ears are all...
Jesus.
dan friesen
This is some super flimsy, super dumb conspiracy clickbait shit that Alex is now using to help prop up the mad ramblings of Steve Pchenik.
In the past, I've talked a lot about how Alex keeps getting fooled by Steve into believing stuff that gets him in trouble, but honestly, I've seen it happen enough now, and I keep seeing Alex do it to himself.
I don't know if he thinks that what he's doing is playing devil's advocate, but in reality, Alex is just talking himself into believing Steve.
Which has been a huge disaster.
I don't know why he keeps doing this.
jordan holmes
It seems like he's always doing a two-man game with Steve that he doesn't know he's a part of.
Because he is respecting Steve for being the guy who probably is involved with all assassinations over any international period of time.
dan friesen
He's killed everybody.
jordan holmes
He's killed everybody.
dan friesen
If you believe Steve.
You have to believe that he has set in motion literally every important thing that has happened in the geopolitical scene for the last 50 years.
He's the most important figure in the world.
I can't even put it into words.
jordan holmes
Between him and Leo Zagami, we have everything from prior to and post 9-11, including 9-11.
But Alex is always trying to...
Like in that clip, you know, he's like, okay, well, you said something that sounds crazy, but, you know, when you think about it, the ear didn't look the same, so I suppose, you know, that part of your theory is correct.
dan friesen
That's the part where I'm saying he's doing it to himself.
jordan holmes
Every time, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we even heard him do some of that stuff with the Sandy Hook.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even when Steve was coming on saying there were actors, Alex was like, well, maybe.
And that's why I think that Alex shouldn't ever try to play devil's advocate.
Because he's not good at it.
He ends up tricking himself.
jordan holmes
Mulder shouldn't play devil's advocate.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So, you know, Epstein's still alive.
And also, now we get into impeachment.
The impeachment is...
jordan holmes
I'm actually impeaching him, Alex.
dan friesen
It's the swan song for the Democrats and Nancy Pelosi.
But also, it turns out it's the end of something else that Alex shouldn't be into.
steve pieczenik
The other part is the impeachment part, where Nancy Pelosi is basically the joker in this movie, where in her own mind she thinks she's wonderful.
This is her swan song, but this is the swan song to the entire House of Representatives, because in a time where we really don't need representatives in an arcane model, we are working with the Internet.
We're not a democracy.
If we had a democracy, as Ross Perot said, we would be punching our computers and just...
It's voting constantly on our own.
So basically, the representational government will decrease in importance.
The governors in the South, Abbott, DeSantis, will become more important.
dan friesen
So representative government is going to...
jordan holmes
It's already done.
dan friesen
The end.
Fuck representative government.
The last time Steve was on, he was talking about how due process is not important.
He's trying to strip away a whole lot.
jordan holmes
Steve is an out-and-out fascist to a level that I find ridiculous.
dan friesen
He's also really brazen about these things, and Alex doesn't seem to at all recognize that what he's talking about is pretty much complete deconstruction of a lot of the structure of government that is in the Constitution.
jordan holmes
It does seem like Alex loves and defends the Constitution against all attack.
But if he likes you and you say you want to remove the Constitution entirely, he's like, yeah, that sounds cool.
dan friesen
If you want to knock down Pillars of the West, like Due Process, you're free to, as long as you are fun.
jordan holmes
It does seem like he just wants to rewrite the Constitution into just the Second Amendment.
The Constitution that they all want is just don't take our guns.
That's it.
dan friesen
And we get to own things, and if you take them, we'll kill you.
jordan holmes
Don't take our guns and allow us to use them indiscriminately.
dan friesen
So also, we learned that Steve is responsible for the death of Yitzhak Rabin.
Big news.
jordan holmes
Well, he was depressed.
dan friesen
I can't believe this didn't make all the...
jordan holmes
It does seem like a bombshell.
dan friesen
Didn't read about this in the Grey Lady.
jordan holmes
I really would have expected to see that on...
dan friesen
The New York Times front page.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
They're too busy being racist.
dan friesen
Spy chief killed Hitzhak Rabin.
Admits to it on dumb show.
That's a big bombshell.
Another big bombshell is that apparently...
I don't know.
I guess Steve is a member of the Screen Actors Guild.
unidentified
What?
steve pieczenik
Hollywood is finished.
When you get a movie like The Irishman, which costs $180 million, and it's junk, I vote for the Academy Awards, and I'll vote for a movie like Harriet that costs $3 million, but $180 million for Robert De Niro, who doesn't even serve our country, who shoots his mouth off against the president, a man who's never had a formal education, a man who went to the Red School, which is a communist school, never really could articulate anything.
dan friesen
I kept that clip in largely to give you a flavor of like, this is kind of a lot of how Steve talks.
This makes no sense.
jordan holmes
This makes no sense.
dan friesen
So Steve votes for the Oscars.
I could kind of believe that maybe if he, but I don't know if any of the movies that Tom Clancy's had made.
Are ones that Steve has anything to do with.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't think that those, like, Net Force or Cyber Team or whatever novels.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, he's not part of the Jack Ryan series.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
I don't believe.
jordan holmes
I mean, he would have to be, like, what?
He has a producer's credit on something like that?
unidentified
Maybe.
jordan holmes
He could be in the PGA, I guess.
dan friesen
He was involved in the TV show that Tom Clancy was trying to make way back.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Starring Harry Hamlin.
jordan holmes
Oh, so he's in the Writers Guild.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Yeah, that part is the most believable piece of it.
I would believe maybe you're in one of those guilds, whatever.
jordan holmes
I don't think he helped assassinate anybody, but I do think he is in the Academy.
I do think he does get a vote.
dan friesen
It's possible that he votes for the Oscars.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Now, even that being said...
jordan holmes
I don't trust him.
dan friesen
There's two things that he's saying as why he wouldn't vote for the Irishman, and they're both weird.
One is budget.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Strange.
The other is Robert De Niro's political views.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But you just hear this guy.
He's just rambling.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just a rambling old man who wants to tell you about, like, I don't like this movie star because he talks shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
Cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what it is.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
I killed Yitzhak Rabin and Robert De Niro talks too much.
jordan holmes
And also, he said he would vote for Harriet?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That one threw me for a second.
I was like, you're voting for Harriet because it only costs $3 million to pay.
dan friesen
I had the right budget.
jordan holmes
That's the...
Okay, gotcha.
I didn't think that was a huge...
Part of why people love Terri, but I guess I was wrong.
dan friesen
There's plenty of red flags flying all around whenever Steve is allowed to talk for an extended stretch of time.
And Alex, I get the sense that he starts to pick up on them a little bit.
But he's not good at pushing back at all and allows Steve to say dumb shit like this.
steve pieczenik
I've always said Texas in and of itself could secede from the union and wouldn't need the rest of the union.
Florida can secede from the union and wouldn't need the rest of the union.
In fact, what I'm saying, de facto, the South has risen again.
It has risen in a way that the lies of Abraham Lincoln and the Northeast establishment...
alex jones
The 12 days of Christmas...
Super sale has come to InfoWars.
unidentified
Gotta go to break.
dan friesen
The lies of Lincoln.
The South has risen again.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Turns out Steve's a Neo-Confederate also?
Cool.
So I think that Steve is super, super naive about what it would look like for either Texas or Florida to secede from the United States.
For one.
They would then become independent countries, and they'd have to work out trade arrangements with the rest of the United States, as well as other countries, which would be pretty difficult, particularly without being able to enjoy the weight of the rest of the U.S. economy that really helps create those trade relationships.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he is assuming that they do not even need those, and that they can become self-sufficient nation-states, obviously, because they have all the resources they need.
dan friesen
There's some resources, but not probably enough for a fully sustainable economy.
Geographically, neither Texas nor Florida is what you'd call in an optimal position.
Florida is basically a peninsula of the United States, and Texas wouldn't even be able to block off transit to and from South and Central America since there's the New Mexico and Arizona borders to consider.
So it wouldn't even be able to...
Create some sort of a blockade or whatever, to create essentialness for it to be involved in a trade route.
jordan holmes
To get some kind of leverage.
dan friesen
This plan is dumb.
But also, if they leave the United States federal government, guess what else happens?
The U.S. federal government stops sending them money.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, Dan, because red states make all the money and give them to blue states.
Everybody knows that.
That's been backed up over and over and over again.
Please do not disagree with me.
dan friesen
In the past year, Florida received over $237 billion from the federal government, or the equivalent of $2,187 per resident of the state.
Texas took in about $269 billion.
These are the second and third highest totals of any state in the country.
So sure, good luck.
Keep yelling your dumb, dumb shit that the South has risen again and get your fan base excited.
But make no mistake about the reality of this.
The reality of what Steve is saying and what he's suggesting would be a complete disaster for the people of Florida and Texas.
And with all due respect to Florida and Texas, which I care about the residents of both of those states.
It would only be a relative inconvenience for the rest of the United States.
jordan holmes
Hey, now, that's exactly right.
Yes, you are correct.
unidentified
Our oranges are going to have to come from somewhere else!
dan friesen
We are Georgia.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
The rest of the United States would find a way to make that work.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be a disaster for those states.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be inconvenient, and you wouldn't want to do it, obviously.
jordan holmes
It would disrupt a lot of stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Prices of stuff would go up.
The gas would be more expensive.
unidentified
It would be a fucking headache.
jordan holmes
It would be a bummer, but after a while, we'd all be like, okay, this is the new reality.
Let's move on.
Meanwhile, Texas would, I guess, have to go bankrupt.
Like, Moody's would remove their credit rating and turn it into just a frowny face.
dan friesen
That's it.
Yeah, it would be a mess.
So, Steve has taken responsibility for killing Yitzhak Rabin.
He's talked about how Epstein is still alive.
He's declared the end of representational government.
He is talking about his votes for the Oscars.
He said the South can rise.
It has risen again.
Florida and Texas should secede.
And so now, he starts rambling a long time about how he took down the Soviet Union.
jordan holmes
He is a fucking gift, Dan.
He really is.
And I wanted to know what he felt about the youth technology that Scorsese used, but no.
dan friesen
None of that's coming up.
No, but it was too expensive.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he just talks about how it was him.
I took down the Soviet Union.
He does use the first person singular.
Not we.
I took down the Soviet Union quite a bit.
And after he rambles about that for a while, I think Alex's defensiveness pops its head up again.
alex jones
A lot of this sounds like to people like this guy sounds crazy, all these exaggerations, but I've actually looked at the history books.
You did run the Camp David Accords, the only successful deal.
You were involved with the Pol Pot stuff.
You were involved in the Soviet Union.
You've done all this stuff because you actually do work instead of sit around and talk about how you're an intelligence op and sit around in a bar bragging and patting each other on the back.
dan friesen
Still shitting on cue a little bit, I guess.
I'm not sure how they're sitting around at a bar patting each other on the back.
I don't know.
Yeah, that's the defensiveness.
I'm recognizing that what he's saying is completely unhinged and makes no sense.
There's no way that all of this is one person's lived experience.
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Steve, I know this sounds like there are only two actual environments for what you're saying.
My show and a mental health facility.
But I really do believe you when you say...
What did you just say again?
You brought down the Soviet...
I believe you?
unidentified
Shit!
jordan holmes
I gotta get you off my show!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, they start taking some calls.
Because callers want to talk to Steve.
And this caller asks if there's anything they can do to get Trump to get tough.
Because that's one of Steve's big complaints.
Trump isn't tough enough.
And he needs to toughen.
Needs to get mad.
Needs to bring Steve in to run everything so he can fire everybody.
Needs to make Melania Secretary of State or whatever.
jordan holmes
She's gotta be.
Make her a Duke.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the scholar asks, and the answer is pathetic.
unidentified
Is there anything we can do to come together to show President Trump that no matter what, we're with him so he can start expediting his actions?
alex jones
Yeah, what do we do to get Trump to get tough and go after the deep state and not just put up with their crap?
steve pieczenik
That's an excellent point.
I think you should all get together within your own groups and start writing letters and, you know, sending Twitter or however you want to communicate to Trump that.
We support him, but we need to have a tougher approach in the next administration.
We have to start cleaning up the way.
alex jones
And by the way, he does listen to the people, and a lot of it gets to him.
So everybody, I mean, you have a chance with this president.
He actually values what the general public says.
That's a fact.
dan friesen
There's some real comedy embedded there.
You have this guy asking what the people can do to help get Trump to toughen up and take on his enemies, and Steve's answer is write some letters.
Such a lame answer.
But it gets good when Alex says that Trump really listens to people, so this is a good plan.
You may recall that Trump's campaign was characterized by thousands of people loudly chanting, lock her up at his rallies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And something tells me that's about as strong as a message you could give that you want a guy to get tough.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If Trump isn't going to listen to chanting crowds, I doubt he's going to give a shit about your letters that he's never going to see to begin with.
jordan holmes
No, he reads every letter, Dan.
Every ladder.
He also keeps a list of who's been naughty and nice.
dan friesen
What greater message do you need than crowds chanting, lock her up?
Like, what more would you...
jordan holmes
Is there a paper trail?
dan friesen
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
You can't even prove he was there.
dan friesen
No one wrote Lock Her Up.
That was the real problem.
jordan holmes
That was the issue.
Oh, poor bastards.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Steve talks about, you know, he has a bit more of a Christian streak in this appearance than I've heard in him lately.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
Which is something that I'm noticing.
Weirdly.
jordan holmes
A lot of them are leaning into the evangelical.
dan friesen
There is more of a strong religious thing.
Like, I watched Milo Yiannopoulos interview Nick Fuentes not too long ago.
And Milo is very Catholic now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't remember being part of his brand before.
But now, apparently, Steve is talking about, in his next clip, he's lamenting that fundamentalist Christians can't get along with each other.
steve pieczenik
The fundamentalist Christians can't get along with each other.
There has to be an ecumenical council wherein, in America, they get together and understand it.
One of the most powerful tools I had in the Soviet Union was not my ability to manipulate.
It was my ability to insert Christianity through Pope John and the Greek Orthodox Church in the Russian.
alex jones
The 12 Days of Christmas Super Sale has come to InfoWars.
dan friesen
They're pushing that 12 Days of Christmas sale.
jordan holmes
They are loving that 12 Days of Christmas.
I feel like you're pushing the 12 Days of Christmas sale now.
dan friesen
Well, it just keeps happening.
He keeps getting caught by brakes that end up having that.
Anyway.
Yeah, so Steve believes that...
He doesn't think fundamentalist Christian is a troubling term.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
He believes it to be the group that needs to get together.
And if you listen...
To what he's saying, because he claims that he overthrew the Soviet Union, and the way he did that was injecting Christianity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What that would lead you to believe is that he wants fundamentalist Christians to overthrow our government.
jordan holmes
Yes, that does sound like exactly what he wants.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
The kernels of what he's putting out.
Connect to imply something very scary.
jordan holmes
He wants to attempt to overthrow the United States government, and I guess he thinks he's going to be somewhere in the ruling council when it happens?
dan friesen
He's going to be the guy firing everyone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, there's a picture of the world that he wants in his mind, and I don't think even he finds it to be pretty.
You know?
dan friesen
It's not gonna be pretty.
jordan holmes
Like, I don't think he, his, like, you know, most people when they dream of a utopia, it's like, oh, people are holding hands and shit like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
When he does it, I really feel like he's just chaining people up and, like, walking down, flicking their nipples all the time.
dan friesen
Feudalism's messy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
But it works.
jordan holmes
It doesn't!
dan friesen
It works!
jordan holmes
It doesn't work!
dan friesen
So it wouldn't be a Steve Pachanek appearance on Alex's show if Steve didn't flatter the shit out of Alex in order to make him feel validated.
And so here is the last clip we have from the 23rd.
steve pieczenik
Well, InfoWars has been around a long time, and it's very rare when you have a man like Alex Jones who can predict four months or six months before 9-11 that we were going to have 9-11.
And when I heard that, I said...
God bless this individual.
I'm going to get to know him.
And that was it.
It's as simple as that.
It's not that complicated.
alex jones
It wasn't that complicated.
They were priming us for it.
When the big buildings blow up, we take your rights.
They had it all lined up.
You could see it.
dan friesen
Or you just listened to Bill Cooper.
jordan holmes
You guys are wrong.
It was Leo Zagami.
We know this.
dan friesen
There's so many details.
jordan holmes
This is confirmed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He said it.
Leo said it.
I mean, if you trust him about other things, why don't you trust him about that?
Yeah, I don't know.
There's all a bunch of shit.
But it's exactly the way Alex would want to be flattered by Steve.
And Steve's given what he needs.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So there's going to be a rebooking.
They're just coming back onto, like, good terms.
It's very interesting to watch.
Like, there is a pretending we didn't have a falling out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now just sort of...
Gracefully getting back into...
Steve's testing the boundaries.
He's throwing out Epstein's still alive shit.
I killed Hitzhak Rabin.
It all flies.
jordan holmes
He got the Pope.
I personally got the Pope to help inject Christianity into the Soviet Union.
Me, Steve Pchenik, noted Pope Soother.
dan friesen
Pope Whisperer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex takes the break on the 24th, 5th, and 6th, and he comes back on the 27th.
And I'm going to say he's coming in hot on the 27th.
He claims that it's just because he hasn't been on air for a little while, so he's got a head of steam.
But in reality, I think it's because Trump had given a press conference where he was asked about pardoning Roger Stone, and he said he hadn't really thought about it.
And Alex is really pissed off about that.
alex jones
Christmas break, the two days we took off, President Trump had a press conference, and he talked about Roger Stone, because the question got raised to him.
He said, oh, I haven't really thought about that.
Which means he's not ready to make a statement on it.
Obviously, he has talked about it.
He went on to say what happened to Roger was obviously wrong.
Yet to say the least, he was not convicted of being a Russian spy.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Those weren't his crimes.
alex jones
He was convicted for lying to Congress.
dan friesen
Yep, that's a crime.
alex jones
On a tiny formality, and that's not ground I'm going to cover again.
I know you all know that, but this speaks to the whole issue.
If Trump won't start indicting these people and these rogue government agencies, these bad cops, as he calls them, well, then what does it say if they're just left alone?
It says it's open season on anybody that supports Trump.
And so, okay, Sean Hannity's ready to lose his job.
So is Tucker Carlson.
Alex Jones has got him trying to put him in prison, speaking in a third person, and suing the hell out of me, and lying about my family, and paying former employees to tell huge lies, who I'm going to have to sue, so that other people know they can't just lie about me.
But that all takes money.
So I'm going to get into this and Trump in a moment, and I love Trump.
But his biggest failure is that he can't get the Justice Department to do their damn job.
Illegally spying on a candidate, doing it once they're president, lying to Congress about it is illegal!
And I've got CIA hearings and Defense Department hearings.
It's not the military coming after me.
It's all the Ivy Leaguers that have these intelligence.
Clarence is literally calling me an enemy agent and talking about how they're trying to shut me down.
That means shut you down.
And I'm pissed.
I'm an American citizen being run over by a bunch of America-hating scum that openly say they hate this country.
And then they sit there in Congress and I'm not in those hearings getting to challenge them.
Excuse me, Lord.
These people should be damned to hell, though.
I mean that.
I'm not taking the Lord's name in vain there.
I mean these people are sick.
dan friesen
In that clip at the end there, he said, God damn them, and then I was like, cut that out.
I went and found the video of it, and he actually says that, and then in the version, so apparently they do have a delay button, because they were able to cut that out in the audio version that I used to cut the clips from, but he does say, God damn them, cut that out.
They should be damned to hell.
jordan holmes
That's what he cut out?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
jordan holmes
That's so weird.
dan friesen
Very weird.
But you notice, that clip, the ride of it was general?
To specific.
jordan holmes
Very specific.
dan friesen
Turned very personal.
unidentified
Very personal.
dan friesen
Very much airing of grievances that were about my own trouble.
jordan holmes
Now, I love Trump, but personally, I'm not doing so hot right now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I would like him to fix that, please.
dan friesen
Yeah, it starts with, like, the Justice Department needs to do their damn job.
I mean, I have problems.
jordan holmes
It's just me.
dan friesen
I got problems.
jordan holmes
People are being so mean to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But even, like, that goes on even longer, just complaining about his own shit.
And then he has to clarify, because I think he realizes, like, I'm kind of making this all about myself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has to be like, this isn't about me.
alex jones
But vengeance is God's.
I'm just going to say this.
unidentified
I'm just going to say this.
alex jones
We need action.
And it's not for me being under attack.
It's because these criminals are getting more bold and they're intimidating a lot of other people and getting them to give up.
dan friesen
I don't know who he's talking about.
I think it's just himself.
jordan holmes
I don't know, but a letter-writing campaign could get people to...
That's what I've heard.
dan friesen
That's true.
Actually, Alex launches something of an initiative here on this episode.
I don't think it's fully spelled out by the clips that I have, but it's more or less, let's start protesting at Trump rallies.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But he talks about it a little bit.
He's like, I don't want this to be like Nick Fuentes going out and messing around with the turning point stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because that's leading to a schism.
We want to be friendlies, but also inject our message by protesting at the Trump rallies.
I'm like, you guys are just doing this sectarian shit.
Man.
You're just going to create more.
Like, extremeness within your communities, and by all means, go ahead.
jordan holmes
It's like they're falling ass backwards into understanding how protests work.
Like, it's so ridiculous.
It's so ridiculous.
dan friesen
So, Alex is not doing great, and he's mad at Trump.
And that's something that is going to continue throughout this episode here on the 27th.
Alex is in this very confused state about his support for Trump.
There is...
Enthusiastic.
Yes, of course I support him.
But also, like, I'm really pissed off.
I'm starting to get really frustrated.
Which is inevitable.
jordan holmes
They just hate people protesting so much whenever it's like, you're not on my team!
You can't protest!
But then whenever they want something, they realize that the best way to get it is by protesting.
It is strange.
dan friesen
It's not going to go.
jordan holmes
It's so stupid.
dan friesen
It's not going to do anything either.
If he goes and starts protesting at Trump rallies, all it is is promotional stunts for himself.
That's really all it is.
But who cares?
Alex complains that he did bring up the Department of Justice not doing their job.
And a big part of that is they need to fucking put Biden in jail.
It's open and shut.
So Giuliani was on TV talking about how he's going to, if he just had two people and they put him in a position where he could do it, he could prosecute all these dirty actors.
All of them.
And Alex agrees based on a lie.
alex jones
So I'm going to open the phones up today and talk about what Trump needs to do.
Because you just heard Giuliani.
All he needs is two people.
He can indict all these folks.
It's totally true.
You could convict these people.
With your eyes shut.
My God, they went all over TV and said, well, you know, they were investigating my son, so I said, if that guy's not fired by the time I leave at six hours, you're not going to get the billion dollars.
And son of a bitch, they fired him.
I had to sit here and put up with that crap from these criminals?
dan friesen
So Alex is really mad, and he's very convinced that the case against Joe Biden would be open and shut because, like a classic globalist, he went all over television and confessed to his crimes.
He bragged about them.
It's in the white papers.
You know the deal.
If you pay close attention, though, you'll notice how Alex Jones engages in narrative sleight of hand.
He's so worked up in his feelings that the rant moves and flows smoothly, but he's very intentionally inserted a lie in there that's meant to support the very passion that he's expressing.
Biden didn't want that prosecutor fired because they were investigating his son.
But the rest of the stuff that Alex is saying is true.
Inasmuch as Biden did give a speech where he told the story of threatening to hold up money to Ukraine if they didn't remove that prosecutor.
But this truth is only there to mask the presentation of the lie, which is that Biden's motives were personal and corrupt.
This is a pretty important trick for propagandists and conspiracy theorists.
Most of the time, an audience like Alex's probably wouldn't even notice.
Or most of them are probably, they already believe that that narrative is true.
By intertwining lies with real things, you create a situation where you can just play a clip of Biden saying that they had until he got on his plane to fire this prosecutor, and your audience will experience it as if the motive part, the part where he was trying to stop an investigation of his son, that's what's being proven by the clip that doesn't show that.
You can prove the true part, but the lie is a lie.
Connect the truth to a lie, then demonstrate the truth, and plenty of people will accept the lie as part of the demonstrated truth.
On a super basic level, this is kind of what Alex does all the time with headlines.
He can prove the headline by flashing it up on the screen, but he can't really prove all the nonsense bullshit that he riffs about the stories.
So, when he tries to establish something he says is true, he just references headlines.
As an example, consider Bill Joy's article in Wired called Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
Alex has said a thousand times that that article is about how Bill Joy went to a conference of high-end tech people who they debated whether to kill off humanity or turn us into a dumbed-down mass of blobs sucked into video games or some shit.
None of that is true.
It's not in the article at all.
It's completely a fabrication of Alex's fantasies.
But his listeners have heard him talk about it so many times that it's become an internalized truth.
I've listened to thousands of hours of Alex's show, and the most I've ever heard him cite from that article is the headline.
Because for his audience, that's enough.
He tells the story of what Bill Joy supposedly said and then shows the headline.
The truth of the headline is combined with the lie of Alex's story and then all you need is that headline in order to prove the lie.
This is a really important fundamental basic trick that Alex pulls.
And sometimes it's kind of hard to disentangle some of the pieces of it.
jordan holmes
It's a lot like if you were injecting a vaccine with poison.
unidentified
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Giving it to people.
dan friesen
Interesting way to look at it.
So, Alex, like I said, on the 23rd, he had a big piece that he was promoting, that he was going to have a special report about Epstein, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it turns out that Alex has decided that he has evidence that Epstein's operation is still running, even though he's dead.
Wait, Epstein isn't dead.
Well, Steve doesn't think so, but...
It's hard to keep these conspiracies straight.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
But Alex is convinced that it's still up and running, and here he talks about that a tiny bit.
alex jones
I mean, it's like a brothel commercial.
Like, you go to the brothel and they got the 20 women lined up right there.
You just pick the woman you want.
That's what this is.
Except they look like they're 15 years old.
And that's on YouTube.
That's what they'll show you.
unidentified
Do you know what's down the rat hole?
alex jones
And we're just supposed to sit here and put up with it.
And then the whole media is covering it up and running whitewashes and attacking us.
And so all these people have signed on to this at CNN and Fox News.
You've signed on to child molestation.
You've signed on to Satanism.
You have signed on with the devil.
We're going to go to break, but I'm going to tell listeners this again.
You're the reason we're here.
Your word of mouth, your prayer, and your financial support.
And we got products you absolutely need that'll blow you away.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
I keep that clip in largely because I want to demonstrate fully and very specifically that Alex is using this to market.
This is not something that is necessarily...
Well-fleshed out.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Not certainly something he's doing a good job with.
jordan holmes
He's not very interested in the story, really.
dan friesen
But what he is doing, he's taking these sensationalizing things about it because he knows that it's very popular with people online, and he's using it to draw attention to his products.
jordan holmes
Increase engagement!
Increase engagement!
dan friesen
I don't want to get too deep into this, so I'm just going to give you a brief sketch of what Alex is talking about here.
He thinks he's cracked the case and discovered that Epstein's operation is still up and running because he just found out about a company called Aviloop.
This is an aviation branding and flight school classes operation business that's run by a woman named Nadia Murashenko.
She definitely has ties to Epstein.
I have no idea about the larger picture of her involvement with him, nor do I know if Aviloop has anything to do with his crimes necessarily.
But I do know that she was a figure who was questioned about this matter as far back as 2010, so Alex isn't really breaking new ground on the subject.
The Avaloop aspect of the story isn't really even new either.
Heavy published an article that discusses her weird commercials, the ones that Alex is calling brothel commercials, back in August.
Legitimately, the only thing Alex here is doing is taking kernels of things that actual outlets have already covered and adding a layer of conspiratorial, they're going to kill me for covering this bullshit to it.
Alex put out a special report that was a little over an hour on Christmas that he teased as being an interview with a whistleblower like he mentioned on the 23rd.
jordan holmes
And it was an empty chair, a la Clint Eastwood.
dan friesen
I mean, metaphorically an empty chair, for sure.
This wasn't a whistleblower.
It was just a guy who'd done some digging into the Epstein story from a pretty conspiratorial angle and insisted on being filmed in the shadows.
It's just a guy mumbling through suggestive information about Evoloop as if it's breaking news and also weirdly laughing a couple times while trying to get through his script.
Not like that laughing, but like...
I can't quite tell if it's like nervous laughter or what, but it's very strange and it's uninspiring.
Also, there are multiple commercial breaks in this special report where Alex tries to sell you his weird pills.
My point here is that Alex and his shadowy non-whistleblower are not helping.
They're not bringing anything new to this story.
They're just exploiting it to create publicity for Alex.
And I find that pretty distasteful.
Not only because I had to watch most of that special report and that fake whistleblower's voice is very annoying.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, buddy.
dan friesen
It's alright.
So anyway, all that's a bunch of bullshit nonsense.
Anyway, the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are they up to these days?
dan friesen
They want a face scan.
They want to put face scans in places.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's bad.
I'm against that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're coming to Las Vegas this year, according to Alex, which is, I don't know what to say about that.
I don't know if that's necessarily true or not.
I don't know what he's misrepresenting.
I'll leave that for another day, because Alex couldn't get through talking about this story without veering into something very racist.
alex jones
In 2019, they announced starting in Vegas and starting in places like that, because they know you're going to Vegas to have fun, and so you'll put up with whatever they want you to do.
Face scanning.
But there was a backlash to standing there and being face scanned.
And of course, they're going to let the illegal aliens in anyways.
The aliens are allowed to hit and run, rob, steal, kill.
They're just giving driver's license in New York.
New York's another place.
At LaGuardia, they were starting.
Or was it JFK?
LaGuardia's in Chicago, isn't it?
That was JFK.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
So all of this is going on.
All of this is happening.
And it's just in your face.
But the illegal aliens, oh, here, just have a driver's license.
You don't even have to take a driving test.
Only citizens have to do that.
Oh, it would be racist if you're from another country.
jordan holmes
Wild.
alex jones
And you see the footage of thousands of men lined up to get their driver's license, but you don't even need the test.
Just like you can shoot a woman in the back and she dies for no reason as long as she's white.
Shoot her in the back at the pier with her dad.
It's okay.
As long as she's white.
dan friesen
So, that took a ride.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Alex is completely misrepresenting the issue about immigrants getting driver's licenses, because of course he is.
And of course he's turning it into a narrative that's primarily about how he feels like he's a victim because he's white.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Right off the bat, it should be pointed out that driver's licenses are given out by the state, not by the federal government.
So, the rules in each specific state will vary a little bit.
What I'm going to lay out is not...
It's generally true, but there might be slight differences state to state.
That said, at no point will I gloss over a major anomaly.
There are currently 15 states where undocumented immigrants can apply for driver's licenses, and there will likely be more added to that list soon, as a number of states have bills in the works surrounding the issue.
In most of these cases, all that was really done is to allow a piece of foreign identification to be substituted for the regularly required social security card as a form of ID needed to be given a driver's license.
I don't know what the breakdown is on this state-by-state, but from everything I can tell, this works exactly the same as if you and I were to apply for a driver's license, just with slightly different document requirements.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You would still have to take the written test, for sure.
And in most cases, you'll still have to pass the driving test.
jordan holmes
Do you have to kill a white woman?
dan friesen
You do.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I know that in some states, you don't have to retake the driving portion of the test if you're applying for a license and your old one hasn't expired, or if it just recently expired.
So I assume there may be some states that allow that in these cases, too.
Like, if you have a current driver's license from Mexico, let's say, you might not have to retake the driving portion.
Maybe?
Yes, that usually, yeah.
Sure.
Another reason that this is important is that if they have license, they can get car insurance, which makes things way safer for everyone.
Most of the metrics you'd really want to focus on are improved by issuing licenses to undocumented immigrants.
State revenues increase, overall safety improves, people are able to pursue work opportunities more easily that aren't connected to public transit.
The only real way to be against this is if you really want undocumented immigrants to be miserable and ultimately gone, which is clearly where Alex is coming from.
That seems to be all that's going on.
So you remember at the beginning of this episode, Alex was mad at Trump?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
He meant for that to be a clean take so he could post a video with a flashy headline to try and get Trump's attention.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But he got sidetracked by complaining about Epstein stuff and how immigrants are getting licenses.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's not easy to sum up with a very simple headline.
dan friesen
No pithy.
Fear not.
Alex has editors.
And he discusses how they should edit this video while on air.
alex jones
And I said I'd get to it this segment.
I didn't.
I'll get to the Roger Stone information in the next segment.
And then we're going to sandwich this next segment in with segment three.
And we're going to post that to band.video.
Alex Jones.
Blows up at Trump?
Because I know those type of messages get to the president.
Or what do we title it?
Why isn't the president standing up for himself and others?
President Trump's greatest failing.
A message from Alex Jones.
President Trump, please stop failing us.
How about President Trump?
Help us.
Help us.
We're good Americans.
Do your job.
Defend us.
What do I say to Trump?
What do we title that video?
We'll figure it out.
But we're live right now, and I'm not going to get that video.
Once we've posted the band on video, I need you to send it to the campaign and to the White House and to the Secret Service.
dan friesen
Send it to the Secret Service.
jordan holmes
Send it to that Secret Service.
dan friesen
Alex feels...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
dan friesen
I need Trump's attention.
We have to make a headline that sounds combative.
I think he also is recognizing that it does seem like Trump likes to fight with people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If I say something...
jordan holmes
He gets messages like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He seems to like engaging with them.
So anyway, they'll figure out what to title it.
But Alex does not get down to business.
Instead, really freaks out about Q. And I think one of the reasons is that, you know, around this, the 27th, there was a number of Q accounts that Trump was retweeting.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And I think Alex is really pissed off about that.
alex jones
I want to see action.
I want the Q thing, the greatest human movement of private citizens ever in the history of humanity.
That's what the Q thing calls itself.
Okay, well, then deliver some indictments.
I thought getting Trump elected was one of the modern greatest things Americans ever did.
And, you know, I thought all the guests we had, I thought our listeners got Trump elected, but we're nobody.
We didn't do anything.
We didn't have Trump on the show.
We didn't create the talking points for the president.
We didn't influence Stephen Miller.
No.
My mother didn't give birth to me.
Q did!
My father is Q!
Papa, save me!
Q is God, actually.
I'm serious.
And that's why they're all going to be indicted next week.
Everything's fine.
As we one go, we all go.
In fact, you Q guys are welcome to call in, too, next hour when I get the number out.
Tell me.
Tell me how I'm wrong.
Tell me about the magic, the power, the insight, the devil.
Q made this new video exposing Epstein that's on Bandai Video.
Did you know Q did that?
Yeah, absolutely.
Q was up here on Christmas Eve.
Thank God for Q. We salute you, Q. Thank you for two weeks.
They're all indicted.
Two weeks.
They're all indicted.
Two weeks.
They're all indicted.
Two weeks.
They're all indicted.
Two weeks.
They're all indicted.
All I've heard is talk so far, so I want to talk about all that, too.
But I'm going to get to the president's press conference.
dan friesen
Alex is so fucking jealous of Twitter bots.
unidentified
Yeah.
He's so fucking jealous.
jordan holmes
Does he not understand these people?
Oh, man.
Also, there is a bit of a personal...
I do feel like he was convinced by Q for a while.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
jordan holmes
I hear a little bit of that, like, I was hoping for you!
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
I wanted indictments!
dan friesen
I don't necessarily think that's the case, but I can see how you would think that.
My sense of it, and the feeling that I get, is more like...
What I could have done with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's almost a missed opportunity.
I wasn't able to co-opt that with Zach.
jordan holmes
There was.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wish that would have worked out.
jordan holmes
It does.
It also has a little bit of...
Yeah, it has a little bit of like a...
Oh, I was in AAA.
I was in AAA and they promoted one guy to the show and he wasn't as good as me and now...
dan friesen
I honestly also feel like even beyond that, that angle is the...
It's the same sort of thing as like...
If only he'd listened to Max Kaiser way back when he was telling him to get into Bitcoin, he could have made millions on it.
If he would have just gotten on board with Q in the right way, he probably could have made a killing off it.
And I think there's that missed opportunity, the opposite of buyer's remorse, that he probably feels.
And you see all of these accounts.
All over Twitter with huge, massive audiences that are all fake.
jordan holmes
That are not real.
dan friesen
And Trump retweeting them.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
He's got to be furious.
jordan holmes
We live in a weird world where the president is basically a chain email.
Come to life.
dan friesen
Man, we're going to talk about that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
This is crazy.
dan friesen
It's not pleasant.
So Alex is mad at Q. He descends into that for a bit.
But there's headlines to get to, so we've got to get to the news.
alex jones
The new thing in conservative publications is telling people, encourage your wife to have sex with other men in front of you.
Encourage, and of course, they know psychologically that'll end about half the relationships that do it.
I mean, they're literally throwing a firebomb into your family trying to destroy your life.
But they tell you, oh, no, no, no.
Tell your wife.
Your wife's being like, you don't want me anymore?
You want me to have sex with other men?
Okay, I'll do it.
Literally, I got stacks of that news, too.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
It was a family show.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Yeah.
He's Dan Savage now, too?
Is he handling all of it?
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Conservative publications are telling you to tell your wife to go bang other dudes.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
While you're watching.
I mean, that's a healthy sexual behavior.
Good for you.
dan friesen
I don't know what conservative publication this is that's endorsing swinging.
jordan holmes
Christianity Today, I believe.
dan friesen
Alex has already said that people trading wives is manly.
I don't know why he's mad about this.
jordan holmes
Not in front of you, okay?
unidentified
He hangs out with Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
In a different room.
What do you think Roger Stone's a libertine?
No, he would never do that.
Sure, he gets drunk and trades his wife and swaps around and puts his keys in the bowl, Dan.
But not while he's watching.
dan friesen
No kinks.
I'm not shaming at all, but Alex's position on this is weird.
And that's just like a non sequitur going out to break.
I don't know why he felt the need to cover that, but when he gets back from break, he gets down to business.
And he wants to do his video that he's going to direct at Trump.
And it's basically just like the same thing he's already been saying.
The boil down of it is a lot of talk, we need some action.
alex jones
So you can't let criminals keep doing what they're doing.
Like, oh, we're going to let them try to rob a bank again.
The last five times they got stopped.
But you didn't lock them up?
You let them go organize again and try to rob the bank again?
And come in and point their guns at us?
And pull all these scams?
And ride roughshod over conservatives and Christians?
And bully everybody?
I'm tired of it!
And I'm not going to sit here and take it.
We need action, President Trump.
Alright, I'm going to give the number out.
I want to get your take on what Trump needs to do in the new year.
dan friesen
The reason that's really sad to me is that he's absolutely going to take it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Everything that I've seen, he does this a lot.
He says, I'm not going to take this.
I'm going to make a stand.
And he never does.
It's always just talk.
It's very sad.
jordan holmes
I don't know if it's infuriating.
To watch so many of these guys like Alex and just come so dangerously close to realizing that they've been scammed.
That they've been grifted.
They just can't cross that line.
He's so close.
To realizing what everybody knew in 2015, what he knew in 2015, which is that Trump was grifting them.
He's a liar lying to you to make his own money.
dan friesen
That's it.
It's really tough to tell when you're on this ride, when do you jettison?
When do you sell Bitcoin?
When do you avoid the downside by selling?
And I think Alex is trying to figure out what that is.
And it's constantly not yet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's on that line of like, I think he does know that eventually it's gotta end.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, this has to.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There's no way.
jordan holmes
It's unsustainable.
dan friesen
It's not going to work out.
And also, whatever goals I think I'm achieving through Trump are not happening.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Clearly not.
Yeah.
I think he's trying to save victory from the jaws of defeat, as it were, with trying to get something out of it.
Like, maybe I get back on Facebook.
Maybe Trump locks up Hillary.
jordan holmes
If I just get one thing, then I can tout that.
Because right now, it feels like all of this has been a massive waste and a huge mistake.
dan friesen
And it's taken a lot of energy to convince myself and my audience that that's not the case.
But, like I said, I think he's trying to acclimate a little bit to the idea that, like, it is almost inevitability that Trump is going to disappoint.
And so he talks about that a tiny bit here.
That even without Trump, the world still needs me?
alex jones
I'm going to go to break.
I'll get to the press conference.
This makes me so mad when I even think about it.
Because if he'll leave Roger Stone out to dry, he'll leave anybody out to dry.
And I believe he's going to do the right thing he has to.
But look at what's happening to Assange.
jordan holmes
Unless you're a war criminal.
alex jones
We got Trump elected, okay?
And he needs to protect the Republic and the American people.
It's his job.
Plus, we went through hell to get him in there.
You did.
But I know this.
We put Trump in there, he's just one wave in this fight.
We're getting globalists kicked out everywhere.
We're having victories on a planetary scale.
It's critical this operation stay on air and be stronger than ever, even if the cavalry from Trump is never going to come.
We have to just start thinking, hey, the cavalry ain't coming.
We're the cavalry, and you're the cavalry.
So stand with us, ladies and gentlemen.
Do your shopping at Infowarsstore.com.
dan friesen
Smooth.
Silky smooth.
jordan holmes
Stand with us on the front lines at www.infowarsstorelight.com.
Yeah, or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of that.
A lot of sales.
But sometimes the sales are funny.
Sometimes there's like boring, like, yeah, get the krill oil or whatever.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Whatever.
Sometimes they're funny.
And we were blessed on this December 27th episode with one of the funnier moments in an ad read that I've ever heard.
alex jones
We have the very best supplements, the very best books and films, and a lot of really great Patriot apparel.
We've got some great t-shirts.
I designed most of them, so they're okay.
We don't have the best apparel.
There's some Patriot apparel better than ours, I'll just be honest.
But our supplements are the best.
Infowarsstore.com.
Or 888-253-3139.
I mean, some of our shirts are as good as they get.
We've got the new Don't Visit InfoWars shirt.
I love that.
Last Chance of the Jeffrey Epstein Didn't Kill Himself shirt.
That's a big part of history.
dan friesen
That Jeffrey Epstein Didn't Kill Himself shirt is a piece of history.
He's monetizing this stuff really aggressively.
But I love the idea that he's like, some people make better shirts than us.
jordan holmes
I design all of our shirts, and look, some of them are pretty good.
I mean, get some, don't get some.
Some people get better shirts, but buy my fucking supplements, goddammit.
dan friesen
It's a weird place for humility.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is a very strange place.
dan friesen
Especially considering that he's very explicitly saying that that's one thing that I'm directly responsible for.
I design these shirts.
jordan holmes
And he's always the best at everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think...
I think he's blaming the shirt people.
You know, the manufacturers who make the actual shirts.
It's like a Ziljan or whatever.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
All right.
I got you.
dan friesen
It's not a champion.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah, I don't know.
That tickled me, though.
I enjoyed it.
jordan holmes
That is such a weird place.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back after the break, and he's talking about, you know, earlier he said that he was trying to brainstorm what to name this clip to get Trump's attention.
And I think he realizes that whenever he gets mad at Trump, he gets Trump's attention.
Whenever he lashes out, he gets the attention.
And he pretty explicitly says that here.
alex jones
And I'm just telling listeners, the White House listens to you.
Every time I get mad at Trump, he tweets out some InfoWars videos.
Okay, great.
Thank you, Mr. President, because I want to get those videos out to counter the globalists and defeat them.
And I know it shows solidarity, and we appreciate that.
That's great, Mr. President.
Gosh, he tweets out our stuff every week now.
The media doesn't even attack it anymore.
They don't know what to do.
They try to tell him what to do.
He's not doing it.
That's wonderful.
I want to see indictments of McCabe and Comey and Hillary.
And let's start with Strzok.
Let's start with Page.
Let's start with Orr.
Let's start, let's start, let's start, let's start, let's start.
dan friesen
I haven't really looked at Trump's Twitter account in quite a while, so I decided to check and see if he tweeted out any of Alex's stuff lately.
Holy shit, what a mistake.
That Twitter feed is just drowning in stupid memes and retweets of obviously fake accounts.
This would be really upsetting as a feed if you just saw it from anyone, let alone the president.
It was not a fun glimpse, and I realized really quickly why I tend to ignore his feed as well as pretty much most of social media.
It was a disaster area.
But it's my journalistic duty to at least scratch the surface of these things, so I went back to see if Trump really did push Alex's stuff after Alex got mad at him.
I figured that the time that Alex said Trump had committed treason and maybe working for the literal devil would be the best recent example of that, and that happened on December 4th.
If Alex's premise is correct, then you'd expect to see some Infowars around that time.
I did see two tweets where Trump was retweeting the Trump Organization's promotional tweets about Mar-a-Lago opening for the 2019-2020 season with the caption, quote, I will be there in two weeks!
The Southern White House!
Exclamation point.
jordan holmes
Yes, and that is a totally constitutionally okay thing to do, Dan.
dan friesen
Let's not get bogged down in that right now.
I also saw a tweet where Trump was promoting his rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania, saying, quote, On my way to Hershey, Pennsylvania for a rally.
See everyone soon.
I love Hershey's chocolate.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
It's like a child.
jordan holmes
I can't do it.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
I can't do it.
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine if Reagan in 86 were able to tweet?
It would be bananas.
Like, the mushy brain of these two guys belongs in some sort of...
dan friesen
I love Hershey chocolate.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
There were plenty of retweets of Breitbart, Daily Caller, and even Newt Gingrich's podcast, which I did not know existed.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Newt Gingrich's got a podcast.
jordan holmes
Who is listening to Newt Gingrich's podcast?
Oh, God.
dan friesen
I saw plenty of Infowars type information flying around, but I didn't see any direct evidence of Trump tweeting out Infowars stuff or other people's stuff.
I think Alex just perceives that Trump throws them a bone whenever he starts getting mad, but I don't know if that's true.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that that's the illusion that he likes to live in, but whenever I get out of line, Trump gives me a sign.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's true.
jordan holmes
I get a little squeaky wheel gets the oil kind of situation, yeah.
dan friesen
And now the show gets weird.
jordan holmes
Now it gets weird.
dan friesen
Now it gets weird.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Compared to the last three years of our show, or?
dan friesen
This episode takes a turn.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know what prompted him to say this, but I got really excited when he did.
alex jones
I'll tell you how the cow ate the cabbage.
You know what I'll do?
I'll do it when Richard Reeves is in here at the bottom of the next hour, and everybody knows I'm bad about doing stuff I say I'll do on air because I get busy and forget.
So they're going to put on screen over here at 1.33, I'm going to tell you the big secret of the New World Order.
The big enchilada.
When Richard Reeves is in here with us, I'm going to lay it out.
The real deal.
Why they're doing what they're doing, who the factions are, and the decision you've got to make.
You want the heavy, heavy, heavy stuff?
You're going to get it today.
I told you, no more games, ladies and gentlemen.
Everything.
Everything's going to come out.
dan friesen
No more games.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
No more games, Jordan.
I swear to God, Dan.
He said that directly to you, and he is not going to deliver on that because he's fucking with you.
I swear to God, Dan.
I swear to you right now.
That is exactly what you have wanted to hear for so long.
You know he's not going to deliver.
Dan, those are the words, almost word for word, that you've wanted to hear.
dan friesen
Let me tell you, Jordan.
Here's how I experienced this.
Exactly what you're saying.
Not that he's fucking with me, of course.
Because that would be silly.
But I did hear that and I was like, there's no way this is going to happen.
unidentified
But let me put your mind at ease.
dan friesen
He does.
But it's forced, brief, and probably...
One of the most insane things I've ever heard him say.
jordan holmes
Alright, I like it.
Is the secret of 2017 still Megyn Kelly?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It has changed.
Dude, there could not be a more invalidating thing for Alex to say is the heart of the New World Order, the big secret.
His career is meaningless.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But we'll get to that at the end of the episode.
jordan holmes
You son of a bitch.
You're teasing now.
dan friesen
Well, I gotta do what Alex does.
jordan holmes
Alright, fair.
dan friesen
But for now, Alex talks about nothing for a while.
Mostly, I mean, he starts talking about how Texas is really great.
alex jones
You know, when the mafia goes and harasses, say, all the cleaners in a certain part of a city and tells them if you don't pay us protection money, something bad's gonna happen to your drivers that are picking up laundry.
Those are famous cases.
And then when they don't, somebody firebombs the laundry or the grocery store.
The FBI goes and they arrest the members of the mafia that came in and threatened the store owners.
dan friesen
So this is meant to be like, you've got to arrest the deep state.
You've got to arrest all of these people.
That's basically the metaphor he's trying to make.
alex jones
That's why mafia like that never took off in places like Texas.
Because if you walked in to a dry cleaners in Texas...
With a Texan owning it, and you said, you're going to give us money or something bad's going to happen to your business, you would be killed right there.
You would be killed.
I mean, my grandfathers were just normal Texans, nice guys, super, went to church, helped always.
If you came into their business and said, we want money and we're going to kill you, they'd pull a gun out and shoot you dead.
Everybody knew that.
That's why you didn't do that.
They'd kill you just like that.
People that I grew up around, the last group of Texans would kill you.
Just like that.
No question of it.
If you messed with them, they'd kill you.
dan friesen
I'm going to leave aside the Mexican mafia stuff here because clearly that's not what Alex is talking about.
Alex is full of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was a really big mafia presence in Texas, most notably the Civello family, which coincidentally was known as the Dallas crime family.
I say coincidentally because Alex grew up in Dallas, so the people he grew up around would be people in Dallas who were alive when the Civello operation was up and running.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Nothing that Alex is saying is true, but it feels true to him because how he's mythologized the Texan.
His ego is so wrapped up in this legendary character that it seems impossible to him that any Texan would be shaken down by a criminal.
That's just his feelings.
He has no idea what he's talking about, and it makes no sense.
Shouldn't he know that there was mafia in Texas based on his JFK conspiracies about Jack Ruby and his associations with Sam Giancana and Joseph Campisi?
jordan holmes
No.
No, don't even worry about it.
dan friesen
How could he not?
jordan holmes
Well, and as everybody knows, one of the foundations of the Texan myth is the cowboy, and in the Wild West...
No one was afraid of criminals.
Criminals definitely didn't go from town to town causing issues.
It's not an issue.
Because everybody there was a Texan.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Everybody fired on everybody for no reason.
Right.
dan friesen
So he's rambling about nothing for a bit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex gets down to saying something pretty shocking.
And that is that if Trump doesn't purge the government of his enemies, then Trump's gotta go.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And also, this clip involves one of the longer pauses, so your phone is not fucking up.
Just a fair warning.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
A very long pause.
alex jones
Trump and the Republicans are going to go to war with the deep state, and they're going to remove these devil-worshipping scum, or Trump needs to be removed.
Period.
And we need to get somebody in there that'll do something about all this.
Because I'm done.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
Toll-free number to join us is 877-789-2539.
dan friesen
13-second pause after he realizes he's just said, Trump must purge the government or we'll get someone who will.
unidentified
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
I halfway think that was supposed to be edited out and put in that video.
That might be the reason for that pause.
dan friesen
Yeah, possibly.
But he says a little bit more about it, and he's pissed off.
He's like, Trump, you've got to do this.
You've got to get my enemies out of the government.
Sure, sure, sure.
But he also wants to make sure that he's like, I still support Trump, though.
Don't get me wrong.
jordan holmes
Why are these people so stupid?
alex jones
So I pray for the president, and I pray for justice, and I support the president.
And I support him in this campaign for another 311 days.
But man, am I going to feel suckered if...
He gets into office again, and these people aren't prosecuted.
They don't get in trouble.
dan friesen
Yeah, you are going to feel suckered.
unidentified
Yeesh.
dan friesen
This is the same thing he said four years ago.
Trump is the real deal, or I've been tricked.
I'm going to support him in 2020, but I'm going to feel suckered if it doesn't solve our globalist crisis immediately after.
Just stop it.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Getting suckered all over the place.
But, really, the reason that Alex can't let go.
Is because, like, Trump only won because of him.
Everybody within Trump's orbit during the campaign was just ripping off Alex.
Alex is basically the president.
If you really think about it.
jordan holmes
I really do think he believes that, yes.
alex jones
I mean, there's a lot of demands we need to make of our president.
We're not in a cult here.
We put him there.
He adopted the nationalist patriot movement as an operating system to counter the globalists.
Because the Pentagon came to him.
This is the operating system America's always had.
Jones has popularized it.
We've written it into a codified plan.
This has even been in the New York Times, and it's accurate.
Stephen Miller basically took our research, our work, which is great, and presented it to the president.
It got adopted by Bannon.
Bannon didn't come up with all this.
Bannon is a movie screenplay writer.
They wrote a screenplay off this show.
That's why the left's so pissed.
They've got all the phones tapped.
They know.
And they know the White House still listens.
Every day.
unidentified
Okay?
alex jones
But I'm not a screenwriter.
I'm Alex Jones from Texas.
I'm for real.
You understand?
I'm 100% for real.
I mean all this.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
I just...
I don't even...
I don't even believe that you believe that.
jordan holmes
I know!
That doesn't sound sincere.
But you saying you mean this, I don't think you mean that.
dan friesen
But I do think he means that Stephen Miller sounds a lot like him.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I think he definitely knows that Stephen Miller is also a white nationalist.
Yes, I agree.
dan friesen
I just feel so much anger.
At Trump.
And a lot of it is petty resentment.
A lot of it seems to be like, you're not paying attention to me.
You're not doing what I want you to do.
So I'm going to lash out.
I'm going to start talking about how it was only me that led to you getting where you are now.
You owe everything to me, and now you're not taking care of me.
It's just sad.
In this next clip, Alex talks about Antifa.
Apparently, did you know that Bill Ayers leads Antifa?
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
We learned that here.
jordan holmes
No, well, we saw him just recently at the Chicago teachers' strike.
He was not leading Antifa there.
dan friesen
Well, that's because he does it by night.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit, I didn't realize that.
dan friesen
And it turns out, all Trump would need to do to stop all civil unrest in this country is bust some Antifa leaders.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because then you'd find their contracts, like the one he found on 4chan, and it would lead all the way up.
jordan holmes
I refuse to believe that he says this.
dan friesen
This is so dumb.
alex jones
The feds go bust any local Antifa leader.
They're led by the weathermen in Berkeley.
They're led by famous professors in the weathermen.
It's the weathermen.
You bust them, they've got action plans, directives, corporate documents.
It's all signed.
They have officers and everything.
And they go out and hire meth heads and idiots that don't know what they're doing.
That's organized crime racketeering, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
You did it.
alex jones
Antifa's always off limits, and if you go after them, they persecute you, they ban you, like the Proud Boys or InfoWars, because it's their decoys for when they stage a big event.
That's who the deep state's working through.
This is their front.
And Soros' son runs it.
We got the secret documents.
The FBI confirmed they're real.
dan friesen
No, they didn't.
alex jones
Planning to violate citizen civil rights to keep people from having their speech and to trigger race riots that target local government police departments to overthrow city governments and install globalist over cities in blue cities that aren't under their total control.
And some red cities.
dan friesen
This is so disconnected.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is...
Oh, man.
Whoever made those fake contracts really did a number on Alex.
jordan holmes
They fucked his head up.
dan friesen
They really confirm a lot of stuff.
That is just dumb.
jordan holmes
He really wants those contracts to be real.
dan friesen
They have to be.
jordan holmes
Despite the fact that they are...
dan friesen
They're laughable.
jordan holmes
They go against every possible reality.
dan friesen
Every motivation that any actor in the situation would have are completely contradicted by those documents.
jordan holmes
The only people who would ever consider making those documents are you.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But he needs them to be real because they are proof that Alexander Soros is basically running a terrorist organization.
And as he's talking about it, that leads him to...
I'm going to say this.
I don't think that in this clip Alex is calling for people to kill...
The Soros family.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I do think it's debatable whether or not that's a message you could take from this clip.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's not a good sentence.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
And neither is this.
alex jones
You understand, folks.
You can't leave Soros and these globalists like Frankenstein going around the villages at night.
That only encourages them.
And so they need to know that we know what to hit.
Why do you think they want us off the air?
We have the Death Star plans, to use that allegory.
unidentified
We have them.
alex jones
Defeat them.
Defeat them.
Remove them.
Remove them.
No more games.
No more garbage.
These people are frickin' evil, man.
Bunch of devil-worshipin' Aleister Crowley pedophiles.
I'm not gonna sit here and let these people run my life.
Or my children's.
What about you?
What about you, people?
dan friesen
The reason I think that's a potential reading of it is just his normal tone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The way, you know, the starting with you can't allow people like Soros wandering around on the streets like Frankenstein.
You know, you could make an argument that that's talking about locking him up and incarcerating him.
But it's also like the tone on his show has gotten a lot more violent lately.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
And I think that you could take that and you could, you know, apply context clues of what Alex wants to do to satanic demon pedophiles.
You could make a pretty strong case that those elements come together to that being pretty fucked up.
I mean, it's fucked up no matter what.
jordan holmes
I mean, if I remember my Shelley correctly, I do believe the townsfolk, upon being confronted with Frankenstein's monster, decided to hold a free and fair trial.
And let him out on bail, made sure that everything was taken care of.
Yeah, they were really into that.
If I recall correctly, that's how they wanted...
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it evokes violence being done against these people, and it's just not good.
It's not good.
So there's a bit of that going on, as is sort of tradition in our modern-day episodes.
This is much more regular.
But, you know, he doesn't stay on that topic too long because he's got to get back to petty grievances.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
alex jones
He's done a lot of great stuff.
We just need him to really crack the whip here.
I'm not backing down.
I didn't back down whenever grabbing by the you-know-what thing and everybody was turning on Trump and I called everybody and I said, don't turn on him.
Roger didn't even know what to do at that point.
I said, it's all bull.
It's out of context.
It's locker room talk.
I put out the talking point.
jordan holmes
You're the one?
You're the one!
alex jones
Talk to high-level folks.
I said, locker room talk.
Locker room talk.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
Out of context.
Edited.
unidentified
Old.
jordan holmes
Did you help the Mossad assassinate anybody, too?
alex jones
And they're telling him, oh, there's an N-word tape.
And I called people that know Trump really well, and they go, no, he's not a racist.
He likes black people a lot, and he likes black women particularly, and we've never heard Trump do something like that.
And I went on air and I said, the N-word tape is fake, folks.
But they were trying to panic everything right there to get folks to turn on Trump right at that moment.
I didn't do it.
dan friesen
So I think it's hilarious the idea that he's like, I started Locker Room Talk.
I am amazed.
jordan holmes
That is a big swing.
dan friesen
Now, that's all ludicrous, but what's worse is this N-word tape.
jordan holmes
Did you know that I started Yes We Can back in 2007?
dan friesen
I started da-da-da-da-da.
unidentified
I'm loving it.
dan friesen
I started Where's the Beef?
jordan holmes
Oh, did you?
That's a good one.
dan friesen
Look, the funnier thing is Alex's take on the N-word tape thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, if you recall, what happened there was someone trolled Paul Joseph Watson by sending him a Twitter direct message and saying that they were a producer with the, what would it be, ABC, CBS?
I don't remember what network.
jordan holmes
NBC?
dan friesen
Yeah, NBC that had a copy of this tape or had seen it and the media was going to run with it.
This guy was fucking with Paul.
Paul delivered this message to Alex.
And in January 2017, Alex was on vacation and recorded this, probably on a plane?
You can hear people in the background, but it was such an emergency for him that he needed to get ahead of the story.
alex jones
We are now about three and a half days out from this historic event taking place, and Paul Watson wrote a big story yesterday concerning a NBC source, and it looks credible.
I'm not saying the report's credible.
I'm saying that the source, it looks like he is at NBC.
We have quite a few sources.
I'll just leave it at that.
But they're saying that there is a tape compilation going back over the 14 seasons or whatever of The Apprentice with him sitting in the chair saying things like his son's retarded and making dirty jokes.
And supposedly the N-word.
You know, the thing about Trump, whether this is true or not, is the top people that have known him for a long time, is he does like to basically tell dirty jokes, anything that a comedian would do.
And he doesn't even do it that often, but almost like a stress reliever or a way to break the ice.
He will sit there and a lot of times actually deprecate himself as well.
dan friesen
So that was his take on that.
I think it's a little different than how he's portraying it now, but whatever, Alex.
jordan holmes
Might be a little bit.
dan friesen
He started locker room talk.
Congratulations on that one.
jordan holmes
I refuse to believe that a human being exists who doesn't.
Look.
I don't care if there's a tape or not.
If you think that Trump doesn't say the N-word, you're insane to me.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
If you look at the decisions he's made about renting his apartment, the Central Park Five, I think you'd be...
It's beyond credulity to imagine.
jordan holmes
And I think plenty of people believe that and support him for it.
I think you are beyond ridiculous if you don't think that he...
I mean, that's just silly.
That's just silly.
dan friesen
Alex's take on this person who was trolling him on Twitter was to say that he looks credible without looking into it at all and then do damage control.
jordan holmes
Because obviously he would do that.
dan friesen
Preemptive damage control for the inevitable release of this tape that Alex thinks is coming.
He wasn't saying that it's not real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Please.
Anyway, Alex goes to calls.
And this first caller is upsetting.
unidentified
I think Trump needs to call out the Marines.
I think he needs to arrest people.
They need to be tried for treason.
alex jones
Here's the deal.
We all hate the police state.
The police state is what the left's doing lawlessly using the apparatus against the American people.
It's not a police state when you've got internal traitors trying to overthrow the election.
It's what you do.
They've led us to this point.
It's the default position that if he can't get the Justice Department to take action, they need to be arrested.
They need to be cleaned up.
And the American people will support it, dammit.
unidentified
Yes, they will.
They'll be behind him 100%.
Once he's ensconced safely in his second term, Alex, we need to immediately start agitating for what FDR said in World War II.
You don't change horses in the middle of the stream.
He needs a third term.
He needs a third term.
jordan holmes
Immediately after getting a second term?
alex jones
Well, that would certainly drive him into conniption fits.
dan friesen
You see a little bit of almost exasperation from Alex after this guy was like, he needs a third term.
So I think that's a little bit too much for Alex to commit to.
But calling out the military and cleaning out his enemies, Alex will double down on that and be like, yes, absolutely.
And also he needs a third term.
Wow, that would freak out the left.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
Stupid.
unidentified
That's, they just, does nobody ever read a history book?
dan friesen
Also, that implies that this caller thinks that we're in a situation.
The equivalent to World War II right now.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
But see, this is what's great about this imaginary war with these imaginary enemies.
It never will be done.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So if the premise is we can rationalize keeping him in office as long as this war is ongoing, you've backdoored a dictator.
jordan holmes
Dan, are you telling me?
unidentified
No shit.
jordan holmes
Every fucking...
How does it still happen?
Isn't that...
It's bonkers to me.
The idea that you would trust the guy who's currently in government any more than the previous guy in government to bring the marines in to get rid of their enemies.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Even if...
Even if that's real, it's always used to turn everybody into a dick.
dan friesen
And Alex would tell you that 10 years ago.
Alex would warn you about that 10 years ago.
jordan holmes
It's never gone the other way.
And they still do it.
They still cry for it.
These people are insane.
dan friesen
It's wild.
So Alex has tried as best he can to get Trump's attention on this episode.
He's threatened to put a scathing title on one of his videos.
jordan holmes
Oh, it'll do it.
dan friesen
He's said...
Maybe I'm out after you get re-elected.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
Well, he's still got to support him.
dan friesen
And now I think he's descending to implied threats.
alex jones
I want Roger Stone pardoned the day of the sentencing, February 7th, and Trump better do it.
I mean, it's that simple, damn it.
I mean, my God, Roger Stone, if he wanted to, could destroy Trump.
Okay?
And it's not bad stuff.
It's just what the media would do with what Roger Stone knows about Trump would really hurt Trump, okay?
With evangelicals and others.
It's not like Trump's gay or something, but, I mean, you know, the sordid details would not be, you know, good.
And I didn't get that from Roger.
It's just well known, okay?
Yeah.
That Roger was his wingman, you know, and the whole nine yards.
And so, just get your buddy out of jail, man.
He didn't do jack crap.
dan friesen
But you didn't lead with he didn't do jack crap.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
You led with he has damaging information about you.
jordan holmes
He did a ton of evil shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, now he's sort of painting this like, hey, you know, Roger will fuck you over if you don't get him out of prison.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is almost blackmail.
Sort of implied blackmail.
jordan holmes
It is exactly blackmail, I believe.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's...
jordan holmes
I mean, it's secondhand blackmail?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Not good.
So Alex takes another caller.
And hey, guess what?
This one's upsetting, too.
unidentified
Trump said all these things and talked a good talk while he was out on the campaign trail talking about you being locked up when Hillary said that it's a good thing people with his temperament aren't allowed into the law.
We're done waiting.
We're done sitting out here trying to rub two pennies together.
millions off of positions and political offices that they've got and they've given it to their children.
I don't know about you guys, but in Oklahoma, the good old boys up here, we're about done.
We're done with the talk.
We're done with the waiting.
We're going to make something happen, whether that be good, bad, or in between.
What tyrant has ever given up their power peacefully?
What tyrant has ever walked away without there being bloodshed?
There will be...
alex jones
Well, Casey, I would say that they've gone way past the point of where people don't have a right to take action physically.
The problem is they've set it up where they make us the villains at that point.
That's why it's critical to put that violence into action politically, viciously in free speech.
You've got a great spirit and great voice there.
And just imagine how much energy you can expend waking people up and letting Trump know that you want action.
Ahead of having to use that type of energy in violence.
They want to start an offensive operation.
You just heard the last caller and he was dead right.
They want to false flag us.
Obviously, we never target innocent people at a Walmart.
Obviously, we wouldn't just target the police.
Obviously, no, no.
I don't want to target anybody, but people like Nancy Pelosi, people like her son, people like Hunter Biden, all these criminals that think they're above the law, thumbing their nose at us, why are they the ones that are never the targets of political violence?
Why is it always a church?
Why is it always innocent people?
Because most of it's staged.
It's Antifa posing.
They've been caught as patriots carrying out violence.
So I hear your anger, Casey, and God bless you.
Put that anger into action.
Go to a Trump rally peacefully.
And just wait till he pauses.
And then say, pardon Roger Stone, Infowars.com.
And they'll know you're friendly.
They'll agree with you.
And then start saying, Infowars!
Infowars!
And I bet the chant gets picked up.
And that sends a message to everybody.
And it puts a giant target on my back.
But hey, it's already so big.
Just make it ten times bigger.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
I'm half shocked Alex didn't offer him a job, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
That was...
dan friesen
So this caller is tired of the waiting, which is kind of what happens when you do this to people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When you create a really highly intense thing and then give expectations of, hey, the thing that you're really angry about is going to come and this guy is going to deliver it when you know full well that's not going to come.
Eventually, they're going to get to the point where they're really fed up and feel like they're devoid of any other outlet other than this anger and this violent expression.
That's what this caller is.
Is manifesting.
It's the logical end point of a certain amount of people who get sucked into things like Q. Yep.
So he's expressing this and like, you know, there's gonna be blood and I'm ready to shed it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex's response to that isn't so much no, it's, hey, they deserve it.
jordan holmes
Of course they do.
dan friesen
They're way past the point of deserving it.
jordan holmes
But don't do it.
dan friesen
It'll make us look bad if you do it.
jordan holmes
We'll look terrible if you murder all of those people for things that didn't happen and aren't real.
dan friesen
Also, why aren't Nancy Pelosi?
Why isn't she ever the target of political violence?
jordan holmes
Nobody's ever killing them.
I'm not saying you should.
dan friesen
Which is an irresponsible thing to say in the context of this conversation.
And then it leads to, hey, don't be violent.
Just give me free press.
Go to a Trump rally and yell infowars.com.
That'll make everything better.
This is really bad.
This is really, really bad.
jordan holmes
That is, like, if you have whipped people up into that much of a frenzy, if he had been in public saying that to all of his fans, they would have booed him roundly.
There is no way.
You don't whip up a mob frenzy and then go, and now!
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
jordan holmes
You guys are acting all crazy.
We need to focus on a letter writing campaign.
dan friesen
Can you put up signs of promoting my show?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Burn the witches and curl them all!
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let's not actually commit any violence.
We just need to put up signs saying no more witches here.
dan friesen
Come on!
It's absurd.
But you see that repeatedly.
That's what Alex keeps doing.
He's trying to transmute this violent anger that is the natural end point of the disappointment.
Of these aspiring authoritarian followers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's trying to take that and be like, how can I monetize this?
Instead of recognizing it as a really dangerous sign about what the community that he speaks to is like.
jordan holmes
And helped create.
dan friesen
A very high percentage of these callers are deeply disturbing calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I've never found his calls to be...
Great or healthy.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But a much higher number of them lately have been along these lines.
And it's not something that he should take lightly or be...
You should feel responsible for it.
jordan holmes
No, it feels like for the past, what, 13 years, the right-wing media machine has been edging.
18 to 35 year old men with violent guns with all these guns and then just never giving them that release and now it's really coming to the point of a boil.
Like so many of these guys are just like you've told me that there's tyrants!
You've told me everybody's getting killed!
When do I kill people?
dan friesen
You promised I'd get to kill?
I find that to be upsetting and I think Alex is in a situation where He has a responsibility to deal with it.
And he's not.
Anyway, we have one last clip.
Because Alex promised to reveal the big secret of the Illuminati.
unidentified
Oh, he did.
dan friesen
And the New World Order.
jordan holmes
He did!
dan friesen
So here's the thing.
He has Richard Reeve in Richard Reeves.
I don't know.
He's a friend of his.
He's back in the...
jordan holmes
He's just a buddy.
dan friesen
He's credited as a reporter.
I don't know if he is.
He was just somebody who Infowars had out at, like, Trump rallies back in 2016.
He doesn't come up much.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He's a freelancer.
dan friesen
I don't know who the fuck this dude is.
unidentified
Fuck him.
I don't know.
dan friesen
But anyway, he's a big Trump supporter, and he keeps wanting to, like, butt in.
But Alex is like, I'm a, nah, we gotta take calls.
We'll get to what you want later.
It keeps getting pushed back.
jordan holmes
He's not getting the Steve Pachanek treatment.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Well, actually, kind of, because Steve kept wanting to plug his book, and Alex kept pushing that back.
So, Richard has something he wants to get out, and it's basically that we should bring back American Empire.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yes.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Where Alex goes with that is very upsetting, and I think an invalidation of his entire career.
So, Mike, down for this, because the secret of the New World Order is upon us.
unidentified
What I wanted to mention is, before you leave, I know you've got to cut out, and you've got a lot of work to do.
But why does our flag only have 50 stars?
You know, recently it came out in the news two or three months ago that Trump was looking at buying Greenland or whatever, and of course, you know, now the home country or whatever is probably not going to want to sell it.
Well, hell, why don't we just go ahead and do an expansionist effort and potentially bring in other states of the Union all over the planet?
alex jones
No, I agree, because people want to actually sign on to us.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
And if you're not expanding, you're contracting.
Instead of the TICOMs just taking people over, how about we say, hey, you want to sign on?
Bring them in that way.
unidentified
Exactly.
We could have 100 stars.
alex jones
That's what globalists are doing.
They're rallying populations, not even for their own interests, but against America.
We should be rallying nations for everybody.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
That was the big secret of the New World Order is they sold it as that.
But then it wasn't what it was.
Trump can take the whole New World Order over now, make it ideological, and people will want to join it without being made to it.
unidentified
There's no reason why we can't have 100 stars in that blue field.
I think that we just have to highly vet countries.
We should approach countries that are most like ours, that the people are ready.
I mean, what about...
alex jones
Because if we don't, it's going to be the CHICOMs.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
People have to understand there's competing ideas here.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
People need to get with the program.
dan friesen
You need to get with the program.
Trump could take over the New World Order and make a one-world government.
unidentified
Alex has backdoored himself into a one-world government.
No.
jordan holmes
Refuse.
unidentified
The big secret of the New World Order is they're doing this thing bad, but Trump could do it good.
jordan holmes
There should be a court order to send these guys to some sort of school.
Like any sort of, you should have to, no community service, no jail time.
You have to go to classes and learn about the shit you are saying.
Because you have no, you hate immigration so much.
So let's just let them become states and then they have free right to travel.
Oh God, these people are so fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like all Alex is doing.
It is an extension of what Richard is bringing, that there should be expansionism, bring back the days of colonial empiring and whatnot, which probably isn't a good idea.
jordan holmes
Even in a soft way where they get to vote to join the union or whatever it is they want.
dan friesen
The only question that I really have is, is that what Alex was going to reveal as the big secret of the New World Order, or was that improvised?
jordan holmes
That's a really good question.
dan friesen
Because if it is, I'm flummoxed by the big secret of the New World Order being, now Trump can make an ideological New World Order.
If that was intended, that's insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If he's just riffing around, that's what his brain came to.
I think it implies, on some level, he does want a one-world government, but he wants it to be the United States as the one-world government.
So fucking stupid.
Every single thing about what he pretends to stand for is completely invalidated.
jordan holmes
I am against a one-world government.
Asterisk.
Well, to be fair...
Unless Trump and slash white nationalist run the one world government.
dan friesen
To be fair, he is saying that if we don't do it, China will.
So at least he has some excuse there.
Right.
unidentified
Secondarily...
dan friesen
He's not necessarily talking about a one-world government.
He's just talking about a hundred countries around the world that are now all America fighting with the other countries that are now China.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I guess he wants two world governments that will be in a battle for supremacy.
jordan holmes
An eternal bipolar war.
dan friesen
Or it will end with one of them being successful and then we'll have a one-world government.
jordan holmes
Which naturally means that most likely both of them will be destroyed.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
This is dumb.
jordan holmes
Go to school.
dan friesen
This is very...
jordan holmes
Go to any school.
dan friesen
This is very childish stuff.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I just see...
I see a very weird mixture.
First of all, nothing Christmassy about any of this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Very disappointing you didn't throw any axes.
jordan holmes
Would have preferred that.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
No singing, have yourself a merry little Christmas.
No.
Nothing...
jordan holmes
A lot of saying that he's better than Jesus.
That's for sure.
dan friesen
At least one instance.
at least once.
You know, there's just this mixture of really passionate Petulant child stuff, like the, I want Trump's attention so badly, why won't you give it to me?
You must crush my enemies, and you're not doing it for me.
You have that mixed in with these completely ludicrous ideas.
Like, Steve Pachanek coming in talking about the end of representative government.
The South has risen again.
I killed Yitzhak Rabin.
jordan holmes
I like that, though.
dan friesen
Right, but you have that, and then...
jordan holmes
He threw some fastballs in that interview.
dan friesen
Right, and then Richard Reeve coming in and them having a conversation about a need for us to be a one-world government expansionist nonsense.
You have these completely ludicrous ideas being presented.
Like, how would you have America expand while Texas and Florida secede?
What are we talking about?
What the fuck are we talking about?
jordan holmes
We're going to have Texas and Florida secede.
We are going to add in...
Let's go with Uruguay.
That one's ours now.
I'm going to go with...
We split Australia in half.
We'll take Sydney.
They get Melbourne.
Who else do you want?
Are we fantasy drafting a one-world government?
I think that's what they're doing.
dan friesen
Those two things can't really coexist as ideas.
They're dissonant ideas.
You're just talking bullshit to the audience.
All these ideas are bullshit.
And then at the same time, the third element of it is this input from collars is growing to a point of really scary input.
That mirrors some pretty scary things Alex is saying.
So you have these three trends that are just like...
I don't even...
The show is very bad.
It's interesting to me, but only in as much as like...
I just continue to be just overwhelmed by the idea that people listen to it and take it seriously.
Especially in the present day, the more I listen to it, it's like I can't believe people can't see through what he's doing.
jordan holmes
He can't see through what Trump is doing, I guess.
dan friesen
But he can.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
dan friesen
You can see that he can.
jordan holmes
He can, but he can't.
dan friesen
He can.
jordan holmes
He can't bring himself to.
And I imagine that's the same thing that so many of his listeners are.
dan friesen
He can't bring himself to because there's a financial motive to not.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
I'm not sure how many of his audience members have...
jordan holmes
Well, there's at least an emotional and...
It sucks to admit you've been scammed.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
It sucks to admit that the person that you believe so much is actually a lying piece of shit grifter.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So it is a common response to just say, nope, doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Fine.
Everyone's in denial.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Everyone's in denial.
That I believe.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And it's leading towards a dangerous conflagration.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
We will see what happens with that.
Hooray!
unidentified
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
dan friesen
And now I will throw a hatchet.
jordan holmes
Right.
Where are we going to throw it?
We do not have a large studio.
dan friesen
I hit the camera.
We'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
You're right.
We're on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are indeed.
We are also on iTunes and other podcastual apps.
Please download, donate, review the whole shebang.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Do it all.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
jordan holmes
I dare you.
dan friesen
Until then.
I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
unidentified
I'm...
dan friesen
DZX Clark, I single-handedly took down the Soviet Union.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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