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Dec. 23, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#380: December 19-20, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at the Alex Jones Show on the days just after Donald Trump got impeached. Alex responds just about how one might expect, with a display of complete nonsense, courting violence, and disgusting bigotry. 

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dan friesen
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dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Your dulcet tones are incredible.
However, I must ask you, do you do any impressions or voices?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I didn't think so.
You would never have to, right?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
Your voice is incredible.
Why would anybody be like, sound different?
Nobody wants you to sound different.
dan friesen
No, I don't believe that was ever part of my comedic repertoire.
jordan holmes
Sure, but you've never dabbled?
dan friesen
No, and it even goes further than that.
I killed an impressionist one.
unidentified
I did.
dan friesen
And a mime.
Because he was the opposite of an impressionist.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Physical impressionist.
No, when I took languages in school, like I took French and ancient Greek and like...
Whenever I would try and speak those languages, you know, it would be like a pourquoi.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You have that tendency towards, like, doing an accent.
jordan holmes
You like to do an exaggerated.
dan friesen
No, I do not.
jordan holmes
Oh, you don't like it?
dan friesen
No, I would always try and resist that urge or that feeling of, like, I have to dress up my French sounding like Pepe Le Pew.
jordan holmes
Very Parisian, yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I always have been very averse to that.
I guess I do a good Alex.
That's not true.
I just talk like this.
That's not a good impression.
That's probably the only one I got.
jordan holmes
You've never tried...
dan friesen
Give me someone to do.
jordan holmes
Oh, I mean, the obvious one, everybody does Christopher Walken, right?
dan friesen
No, I don't want to do that.
jordan holmes
Well, that previous statement is now wrong.
dan friesen
So I don't know a lot about impressions, Jordan.
But I do know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know much about either.
dan friesen
You don't do any impressions?
jordan holmes
Give me a Nicholson.
Oh, man.
Now I can't.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Shit.
This is not good.
This is not good.
I don't do any impressions either.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
And today, Jordan, I think a lot of people probably thought that, you know, Trump got impeached.
At the end of last week.
jordan holmes
A lot of people would think that.
Because it's true.
dan friesen
Because that happened, I think a lot of people might have assumed, hey, these guys are going to rush out a Friday episode.
We did not.
And one of the reasons for that was I felt like if we do, we'd have to record it on Thursday.
And that means we could only have Thursday's show to respond to.
Whereas if we waited until Monday, it would be Thursday and Friday.
So today we have December 19th and 20th from the end of last week.
And, you know, it's a silly thing, this episode.
Quite silly.
Quite upsetting.
jordan holmes
Of course.
I imagine it either goes, he talks nothing...
Nothing but impeachment, or he doesn't even mention it throughout the show.
dan friesen
It's somewhere in the middle.
But one of the other reasons I didn't think it was worthwhile to rush out some episode is I think pretty much everybody knows what his take on it is going to be.
unidentified
And that is that, well, it's all a sham.
dan friesen
Scam globalists.
And he'd been prepping his audience for it already.
He's been saying that the House is going to vote to impeach.
For sure.
He has no reason to freak out or anything.
I didn't expect any fireworks.
And I didn't get them.
There is some really messed up stuff that goes on, particularly on the 19th.
And then also some fun stuff.
jordan holmes
We need to steal all the House of Representatives shoes.
dan friesen
That would be a more reasonable thing than some of the things that are suggested.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And we'll get to all that.
But before we do, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first of all, John, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, John.
dan friesen
Thank you, John.
Next, Dr. Activisionary.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Dr. Activisionary.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, Mike.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you very much, Fran.
Next, Kara.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Kara.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Matthew.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Matthew.
dan friesen
Thank you, Matthew.
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
Both fake names, pseudonyms, noms de plume.
jordan holmes
You can't be sure.
dan friesen
I'm positive.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One of them, fun.
The other, maybe upsetting.
So first, the second juiciest ice cube.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And also...
Piss radish.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Which one is bad and which is good?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare.
Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Second Juiciest Ice Cube and Piss Radish.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to both of you.
dan friesen
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jordan holmes
It would be lovely.
dan friesen
So, we're here on the 19th.
Trump's been impeached.
Alex is having a lot of feelings about it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And before we jump in, gotta do a little bit of Out of Context Drop.
jordan holmes
Let's see it.
dan friesen
This is one of my favorites, actually.
jordan holmes
Of all time or just recent?
dan friesen
It's just a good out-of-contact drop.
alex jones
And I see you made by God.
I respect you!
You're incredible!
dan friesen
I love that.
So inspiring.
It just makes me feel good.
jordan holmes
I'll play it one more time.
dan friesen
You're incredible!
alex jones
And I see you made by God.
I respect you!
You're incredible!
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So enthusiastic about how incredible people are.
jordan holmes
It takes a few listens to really...
Yeah, I like it.
dan friesen
It hits home.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we start on the 19th, and we hear a very familiar thing from Alex, and that is, today is the most important show I have ever done.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, I've been on the air 25 years, and as the years go on, I've said many times, this is one of the most important broadcasts we've ever done.
I used to say it once a year, then I might say it every six months, because there's a quickening.
Things are getting more serious, more crazy.
The human-animal cloning, the open devil worship, the open pedophilia, the open oral government, the open destruction of the family, the open 5G, the fluoridation, the spiked vaccines, the Trojan horse takedown of humanity.
jordan holmes
Vaccines get you drunk these days.
alex jones
But this broadcast...
Is undoubtedly, up to this point, the most important broadcast I will ever do.
And so I'm not someone to get butterflies or choke up.
But I am sweating right now.
And it's cold in here.
dan friesen
It's cold.
So we got a situation where, I mean, this is just such an Alex thing.
No, that I do say that this is the most important show ever, a lot.
But this time, it actually is.
jordan holmes
I used to say it infrequently, and now it's because of the news, I'm sure.
It's because of the news that I'm saying it every couple of weeks now.
dan friesen
I've backed myself into a corner where everything is fucking extreme as hell.
And guys, it is coming down fast.
So today is the most important show ever.
And part of that is, I mean, because Trump got impeached.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You'd expect that to be your most important show ever.
jordan holmes
It's a pretty important one, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex has a theory about what's going to happen, and it's going to play out over the course of this episode, but I will say that it's kind of convoluted and poorly delivered.
Here is where Alex sort of starts to touch on it.
alex jones
These are the traitors.
These are the sellouts.
These are the enemies of the Republic.
And so there is a program.
There is an operation.
There is a plan.
To remove...
The president, within the show trial that the House has already had projected into the Senate, using that as a platform in the media as a show trial to spring a bunch of other scandals, which they're starting to announce.
And then the Supreme Court is meant, and all the blackmail they've got on some of those members, like the Chief Justice.
To move in and say the Senate has not been impartial and have the Supreme Court make a run at the President in a true judicial coup.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
This is openly being discussed by, not long for this world, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
It's all coming up.
The ultimate cliffhanger.
dan friesen
So, I mean, we still have these themes of, like, everybody's being blackmailed, but now apparently Chief Justice...
Roberts is being blackmailed, too, or something.
jordan holmes
I assume Larry Nichols has got to him first.
dan friesen
Ruth Bader Ginsburg has come out and is talking about this plan.
jordan holmes
Sounds like her.
dan friesen
What a cliffhanger.
jordan holmes
That sounds like her.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex isn't making a lot of sense, but he'll get more in detail as things go along.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
There is a plan in place, obviously.
jordan holmes
A really bad one, according to him.
dan friesen
Well, but he's only giving you the broad strokes here.
He hasn't given you the meat.
Alright, we gotta wait until we get to the meat.
jordan holmes
Okay, so there are more moving parts.
Plenty.
dan friesen
Probably too many.
jordan holmes
Like all good plans, you want to have a lot of moving parts.
dan friesen
You want this to be Ocean 7000.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
You want as many conspirators as possible, because that's how you get things done.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Especially secretly.
dan friesen
Yeah, oh yeah.
But look, dude, there's a plan, and Alex is telling you that this is the plan.
And everybody's being blackmailed, although he's not proven that in any meaningful way at all.
But you don't need to just blindly trust Alex.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Look at his track record.
He's been right about so many things.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't say that.
alex jones
Now, everything we cover here is incredibly important.
That's how you feel.
I predicted that the footage of Epstein's suicide and the previous attempt at suicide where they tried to kill him would disappear.
That wasn't hard to deduce because they murdered him in cold blood inside there.
Now it turns out that the video's gone missing.
In both cases, of course.
As we told you, 2 plus 2 equals 4. So a lot of these deductions are easy.
dan friesen
So it was reported in the New York Daily News on the 18th that footage from Jeffrey Epstein's initial suicide attempt that Alex doesn't believe is real had gone missing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That story was based on comments by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason Swergold, who said that, quote, it is our understanding that the video no longer exists.
It was not preserved.
In the initial article on the 18th, it was reported that the government was asked to, quote, look further into what happened to the footage.
And they did, because on December 19th, the New York Daily News posted an article with the headline, quote, missing surveillance footage of Jeffrey Epstein's suicide attempt has been found.
That new article included this quote.
Quote, "Earlier today, the government confirmed with MCC staff that the video was preserved by MCC staff upon defense counsel's request." Who was that quote from?
You guessed it, U.S. Assistant Attorney Jason Swergold.
Naturally, the most simple explanation for this whole situation is irresponsible reporting based on irresponsible comments from an assistant U.S. attorney.
He spoke kind of out of turn, made comments that were taken as gospel, then learned pretty quickly that he was incorrect in that assumption.
The New York Daily News turns around and posts a story that the missing footage had been found, but that's even kind of bullshit, because based on these stories, I'm not certain that footage was ever missing in the first place.
It all doesn't matter, because now the fact that a day later they retracted the footage that the footage was missing will be used as proof that the footage actually is missing, and the globalists shook down Swergold so he would lie to the New York Daily News or something.
Alex didn't predict anything in this case.
He's just full of shit.
jordan holmes
Uh, boy.
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
Do they not know that reporting that the footage has gone missing is going to be far more popular than the second day when they report that it's been found?
dan friesen
The damage will be done by that article.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Call it damage, call it impression, whatever.
You will concretely put this into people's minds in a way that you're not going to undo with a correction.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Now, good on you for printing that.
And you know what?
Here's the deal.
I don't know what the right answer is.
Because if that footage is actually missing, then that's a story that you should report.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But someone asserting that it's missing, maybe hold on to that story until you do a little bit more digging on it.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Well, I mean, your recycle bin on Windows automatically deletes after 30 days.
So it was only a couple of days after that.
I'm sure they just restored the file.
Not hard.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know what the right answer is, but I know that it's not this.
Because Alex, by this point, it's the 19th.
He has every reason to have access to the new New York Daily News article that corrects the situation.
But he doesn't, because the narrative is much better with the erroneous information.
I don't know what you should do if you're the New York Daily News, and I wouldn't...
I guess what I would say is...
Write the story as it's just this guy saying that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe, but I don't even know if that works.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it is one of those things where it's like, that is an incredible scoop.
If the New York Daily News got that actual information and they're the first to go public with it, that's huge.
That's going to be a big deal.
But also, it tends to be a situation where it's like, holy shit, this is huge news is too good to be true.
All too often with conspiracy theory type stories.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you've got to be careful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it matters.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has a big announcement that is related to this whole impeachment thing.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Epstein did it.
dan friesen
And he's really hyping this up.
alex jones
So let me make the big announcement here.
I could have air raid sirens going on in the background.
I could have drum rolls.
I could light my hair on fire.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
I mean, if I thought cutting my finger off on air would get your attention to really listen to me, I'd do it.
jordan holmes
I believe you.
dan friesen
I don't.
alex jones
I mean, that's how important all of this is.
How I'd give my life right now if it meant we could beat these people, for sure.
Because the innocents deserve it.
It's a good price to pay.
By the way, I'm not suicidal.
I want to live to be 150 and love God.
My point is I'm willing to give my life to beat these people because that's what it's all about.
And your life is just your earth suit in this experience.
But I'm done talking about that.
This is the most important broadcast I've ever done.
And you can have a thought with thousands of major points, hundreds of thousands of sub-points and data and knowledge and background and understanding that all come together with certainty.
And when you have that certainty, And you see it time and time again come true exactly as you envisioned.
That's called beyond wisdom.
It's called discernment.
And it's called sight.
jordan holmes
The second sight?
alex jones
But 99% of it is actually the incredible electrochemical brain supercomputer integrating all those data points, but that little 1% of spirit The electrochemical internet takes you across to the threshold.
So what I'm going to do, this is so big, is I'm just going to stop for this segment, kind of mention some of the other news.
And then when I come back in the next segment, I'm going to come in with precision.
dan friesen
I have a gigantic story.
I'm going to ramble about nothing.
The amazing electrochemical brain.
jordan holmes
What the shit?
dan friesen
I also think, if you listen to that, I think Alex is describing being confused.
Because he's saying, you got this story, you got a hundred different data points.
jordan holmes
So many different things.
dan friesen
I think he's talking about the difference between actually being confused and presenting it as certainty.
But whatever the case is, it's all of this.
The beginning of this episode is all of this, like, I got this big news, I'll do it next segment, because I gotta do it right.
Gotta do it good.
Gotta do a good job.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
I just imagine going back and seeing Jesus giving the Sermon on the Mount, but he's like, okay, first hour, we're just going to do a couple little things.
I'm going to riff for a while.
The big stuff.
I'm going to get you some big stuff after this next hour, but for now, I really got to just riff this out.
dan friesen
Imagining historical figures teasing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, teasing shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like if there's a message, you should get it out, but he does not.
So he gets to some news.
He said he was going to get to some of these other headlines.
And one of them I found deeply upsetting.
alex jones
We're going to play this clip coming up.
GOP congressman compares Trump's impeachment to Pearl Harbor.
The United States could take getting 3,000 people killed and a bunch of battleships sunk and it was terrible and it was horrible and quite frankly Churchill was working with Roosevelt and they had the purple and blue code completely and knew even the day of the attack and ordered the carriers out to sea.
obsolete battleships, no good for Pacific warfare, would be destroyed.
Really?
unidentified
And they sacrificed 3,000 of our people.
alex jones
We were already at war with Japan for two years in China.
What?
unidentified
People like E. Howard Hunt were there sniping people daily.
alex jones
And that's how you win wars.
I'm not defending that.
It's not a false flag.
What?
unidentified
The Japanese did it.
alex jones
But it was a gambit where you sacrifice a pawn of...
In chess to lure your opponent out to win the entire game.
That's all declassified.
dan friesen
That is not declassified.
But I think that the way he's describing Pearl Harbor there is exactly how he...
That's not what he thinks about 9-11.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He calls that a false flag.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's weird.
I don't understand what he means by anything.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But firstly, not to split hairs, but 2,335 Americans died in the attack on Pearl Harbor and 64 Japanese combatants.
I know Alex is just speaking in vague terms, but he's off by like 30%.
Yeah.
That's kind of a big deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now to the bigger issue, and that is that Alex believes this attack on Pearl Harbor was a false flag.
Although for some reason, like I said, in this instance he's splitting hairs and saying it's not a false flag.
jordan holmes
Because the Japanese did it.
dan friesen
Right.
Okay.
alex jones
Whatever.
dan friesen
I have no idea what his definitions he uses for anything are, because I've definitely heard him say that Pearl Harbor was a false flag in the past.
jordan holmes
I mean, it was a false flag.
dan friesen
So the stuff he's saying here is not true.
There have not been declassified documents proving that there was a stand-down or even that the U.S. had specific prior knowledge of the Japanese attack.
Alex is even playing fast and loose with decryption because he's not specifying which Japanese codes we cracked up until that point.
He's saying the purple code.
Yeah, that's largely true.
Those are some of the codes that we had cracked.
But that doesn't mean that we had the ability to decipher...
The relevant messages regarding the attack.
jordan holmes
Wrong.
Once you decipher one code, you decipher all codes, Dan.
That's just like how if you learn Greek, you know all other languages.
It makes sense.
dan friesen
Ten separate inquiries have been done to examine this claim of foreknowledge, and none support the theory that Alex is putting forth.
The only real evidence I can find of truth behind the code-breaking stuff is that there was a coded message that we translated, which was intercepted the day before the attack.
The message indicated that Japan intended to break off negotiations and formal relations with the United States the next day.
That was interpreted by most as being indicative that the Japanese did intend to attack something, but the military at the time had been expecting them to invade Thailand or somewhere else in the Pacific that would effectively break off negotiations by itself.
So that was the kind of the interpretation the message had at the time.
It wasn't that they were going to bomb Pearl Harbor, because it's a gigantic leap to make.
But it's a sort of gigantic logical leap Alex is pretty accustomed to making.
So most of what Alex is saying is 100% based on a book or pamphlet put out in 1944 called The Truth About Pearl Harbor.
It was written by a guy named John T. Flynn.
Flynn was an extreme right-wing figure in the 40s and was instrumental in the organizing of the America First Commission.
You may remember them as a group who were deeply anti-Semitic and pro-fascist, but pretended that they were just anti-interventionists.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't call them rabidly anti-Semitic.
dan friesen
Flynn was a bit of a propagandist for the America First Commission, being involved in creating advertisements meant to sway public opinion away from getting involved in the European War.
The AFC dissolved right after Pearl Harbor since the U.S. had joined the war, which made the whole don't join the war argument a little harder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's tough.
dan friesen
Even though they'd been unsuccessful in keeping the U.S. out of the war, the members of the AFC didn't just give up, and one of the prongs of their further work was to create the narrative that the only reason the U.S. got into the war in the first place was because of a conspiracy.
If it hadn't been for the meddling communists and evil forces within our own government, that attack on Pearl Harbor wouldn't have happened, and we wouldn't have gotten into the war, so when you think about it, the Axis powers are really the victims in this whole thing.
jordan holmes
Of course!
Yeah, absolutely!
How dare they hurt those poor Nazis!
dan friesen
The other angle here is that the folks on the extreme right, like John Flynn, hated FDR because of his social programs and a myriad of other reasons.
And Roosevelt was running for re-election in 1944.
So this book was released as a large-scale attempt to smear him and derail his campaign with accusations that he knew in advance that this attack was coming, but he let it happen so he could go to war.
Alex is just repeating shit some dumb fascist wrote about 80 years ago to try and stop FDR's re-election, and he's pretending it's declassified and totally real.
This is sad.
This is sad stuff.
jordan holmes
It's wild to me how you can claim to be an expert on World War II, of all things.
One of the most exhaustively researched events in human history.
I can't think of anything that has been more exhaustively researched.
dan friesen
The cover-up would have to be so insane.
jordan holmes
Astonishing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would include the entire world's leaders, which I suppose is the only thing that makes sense for him.
Historians.
All of academia.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Undergraduate students.
Graduate students.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Fellows.
It would be crazy.
Anyway.
I just think that's kind of interesting, and I think it is one of these really interesting things that you find that is, like, when you trace back a lot of sort of dumb conspiracy theories, what you end up finding is people who were using these for political reasons initially, they may or may not have served their political purpose at the time, and then...
jordan holmes
They echo throughout history.
dan friesen
People, maybe unintentionally...
They take on a life that lives long past the original use of the thing that it was being used for.
In this case, primarily to attack FDR's re-election campaign.
jordan holmes
I mean, in some ways, that is very similar to Alex immediately following the Boston bombing, where it's like, the cement hasn't dried yet.
So, while I'm there, I can make up whatever story I want, and an imprint is going to be left in the cement.
dan friesen
Yeah, if that was an election year, it'd be even more so.
Because it is just politically motivated.
It is to attack Obama and the globalists who are the Democrats.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So there are similarities in that.
I think that's a tactic that's pretty much not universal.
Because I think there are a lot of conspiracy theorists who are mostly apolitical.
Gunning for.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or what they believe that they're involved in.
They experience it as apolitical.
But I think there's a lot more of it that is like that.
And Alex particularly.
Yeah.
It's pretty clear.
So Alex just gets to rambling.
He said he was going to get some news out of the way.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Doesn't really.
And he does a lot of...
Fake Jefferson quotes on the show.
And it was interesting, in this instance, he decides to swing further for the fences and dig deep into the past for a quote.
alex jones
Cicero, the great Roman philosopher and senator, said that the traitor is the plague.
An enemy outside with open banners we can defeat.
The city is strong to a foreign enemy that mobilizes us.
But traitors within the Senate, traitors within the Republic.
Are the plague and can bring it down.
And as it was 2,067 years ago when he said that, if my memory serves, it doesn't.
It is today.
dan friesen
That's not a real Cicero quote.
Alex undoubtedly saw this in a meme and just accepted it as true.
But in reality, this quote comes from a book called A Pillar of Iron, written by Taylor Caldwell in 1965.
Caldwell is basing the book on a lot of real sources about Cicero, but the quotes that are passed around about traitors being the carriers of the plague were all Caldwell's creation.
Historically, the far right has used this quote to push back against greater social equality, which is not surprising.
Nor is it surprising that Alex once again has no idea what he's talking about when he's quoting things that he's using just to make himself sound smart.
And you can hear that, too, even like 2067 years ago, if my memory serves.
jordan holmes
What are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen
That's just trying to be fancy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's totally fucking...
What is it?
Oh, uh...
The guy who named Mount Everest, the height has changed now, but he measured it at 25,000 feet exactly.
And he was like, no one is going to fucking believe that it's exactly 25,000 feet.
So he just told people it was 25,002 feet.
Like, look at how good I am at measuring things.
I got it all the way down to two feet, you idiots.
dan friesen
I understand that impulse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
For me, it's more like Alex rattling off the name of that subsection that he thinks proves...
Right, right, right.
That's my way of impressing you into thinking I know what I'm talking about.
2067 years.
That's how great my brain is.
jordan holmes
I believe it was on page 67 of your math textbook from when you were 19 years old in your first year of college.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, you're not going to question me if I know all of this.
jordan holmes
I have an eidetic memory for one thing.
dan friesen
I will question.
This, Alex.
You read that to me.
Anyway, Alex has been trying to...
He's got this big news.
He said he's going to get to it next segment.
It's time to get down to business.
alex jones
Alright, let's get into it right now.
I'm going to lay this out as best I can.
And then I intend to open the phones up throughout the second, third, and into the fourth hour.
And Matt Bracken joins us.
The crew did an excellent job last night.
Covering what was unfolding until late in the evening.
And I have all the evidence here of what I'm about to break down.
But then I also have all the different ways and different avenues and different paths that we can break down how they are intending to make this move.
Because they do intend on removing President Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, they impeached him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the goal.
That is the end goal of impeachment, right?
What would they be doing not trying to...
If they don't intend to remove him, what are we doing here?
dan friesen
I don't know what kind of fucking news this is.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
What do you think we're doing if we're not intending to remove him?
dan friesen
Again, all I hear Alex saying there is I'm confused.
I don't know how to play this.
This is not...
I didn't really think this was going to happen.
Or whatever.
You know, like, I have all the evidence, but I don't know what...
There's so many angles, so much truth to the...
Like, fuck off.
Just do your job and say your shit.
jordan holmes
Quit teasing it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex, you know, but it's going to get down to business.
And the bottom line is that they plan to impeach Trump.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, they did.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
They plan to remove him, which is the end result, is the process.
jordan holmes
That's the plan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They're going to double down, though.
jordan holmes
No, we're already down enough.
dan friesen
All in, some might say.
alex jones
They do intend on removing President Trump.
And we can say, oh, well, it's blowing up in their face.
Look at the poll numbers.
The fact is, they're bold, and they're crazy, and they've got a plan.
And so it is bending towards failing spectacularly.
But you understand all they do is keep doubling down.
And so if you look at what a double down at this level does when it's an open public kangaroo court railroading, well, what comes after that?
jordan holmes
Two kangaroos.
unidentified
Two kangaroos.
jordan holmes
Was that rhetorical?
alex jones
So I'm going to lay it out.
jordan holmes
Okay, thank you.
alex jones
But I just don't want to be like I've been for 25 years, laying out very important things constantly, gibbering as fast as I can talk, trying to get out all the little factoids, and then miss the forest for the trees.
unidentified
*sniff*
alex jones
And we're already too far into this segment for me to do it, I promise.
When we come back, I'm going to launch into it all.
dan friesen
Okay, so we're going to do it next segment.
You know what I hear?
I hear impotence.
I hear just somebody who is like, fucking shit.
My fucking dude.
The guy who I changed my...
Fucking career for.
I just took so many hits trying to go down this road because I thought it was going to go somewhere.
He was going to kick all the Mexicans out of the country.
jordan holmes
Didn't happen.
dan friesen
I thought this was going to work out.
We were going to install a patriot dictator.
jordan holmes
That was the plan!
dan friesen
Now he's the third president in history to ever be impeached.
God, what the fuck?
jordan holmes
I just hate this level of bullshit news.
It's November 1963.
There's some pretty big news about the president.
We're going to talk about this in the next hour.
Yeah, yeah.
If it's that big a deal, you just say it right away.
dan friesen
You would think.
You wouldn't think you have to wait until like...
I just, I don't have time this segment to get it out.
I need to apportion two minutes to plug, so I can't get to this.
jordan holmes
Everybody remembers where they were an hour after Kennedy died.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
When they finally got the news.
dan friesen
You know, you might remember the news that Kennedy died, but you definitely remember the Brain Force ad before the news that Kennedy died.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that there's that.
It's just like, Alex has got to be kind of feeling in a fucked up place because...
As much as he can make the argument now, like, Sandy Hook is not who I am.
That will not define what I'm remembered as.
It can be a little difficult to disentangle your legacy from Trump's.
No matter what ends up happening, Trump is in the history books as the third president to ever be impeached.
And so Alex is the champion and the mouthpiece of...
Send a president.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's part of his history, too, now.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And if it doesn't work out well, there's not a ton of vindication that comes from that.
jordan holmes
He's the type of guy who, so far, has done nothing but gradually put larger and larger necklaces made of rocks out of his neck.
dan friesen
Seems like a hobby.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If he were to fall into the river, he would sink.
dan friesen
Don't go to Barton Springs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Globalists in that hot spring are not going to save you.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back from break, and it's time to get into this.
alex jones
They want to establish a private corporate world government.
And they're very, very upset.
They're very, very upset.
That humanity...
It's not going along with it.
And so they are going to try what they've done in the past, what other empires have done, to get the little people, the average people...
Fighting with each other.
dan friesen
If you don't pick it up, you're going to run out of time in this segment, too.
Quite frankly, this staccato shit has got to stop.
This is bad delivery.
I found myself listening to this incredibly uninspired.
jordan holmes
But you're incredible!
dan friesen
I felt like he was incredibly uninspired as well.
This isn't good.
The best you got is, oh, they're going to try and sow cultural division.
When have you not said that?
That's the talking point you've had forever.
jordan holmes
Which is ironic because the first president to be impeached was...
Trying to sow discord between the poor.
Yeah, for racial reasons.
dan friesen
So, you might be asking yourself, why are these Democrats doing this impeachment?
Now, there's a lot of answers.
jordan holmes
To remove the president for committing crimes.
dan friesen
But, like, what's really motivating it?
jordan holmes
He committed crimes and we would like to remove him.
dan friesen
It's an interesting reason that you have.
The truth is slightly different.
alex jones
So, here's why they had to do impeachment.
They don't want Trump to get another Supreme Court justice.
And even if this removal fails, they'll say, We're not going to confirm anybody that was just impeached.
We're not going to confirm anybody nominated by a president like that.
jordan holmes
I wish they would think that.
alex jones
And the average leftist is so dumb they think impeachment is conviction.
It proves Trump is bad.
That's what's being said.
And it changes the subject.
From all the incredible crimes that they've committed and all the bad things they've been up to.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is how Hillary's going to get away with Benghazi finally.
jordan holmes
Man, I really wish she hadn't put that Uranium One on there, but here we are.
dan friesen
So this theory is fucking stupid.
There's no vacancy in the Supreme Court, and even if Ruth Bader Ginsburg were to die, the Republicans already set the precedent that an opposition party can refuse to hold hearings on Supreme Court nominees in election years.
Now, this process, like the very difficult and consequence-laden process of impeachment, is not necessary to achieve the goal of blocking a Supreme Court nominee.
Now, would the Democrats do that?
That's another issue.
That's another issue.
jordan holmes
The giant cowards.
dan friesen
Well, sure.
Now, hold on.
Hold on to that criticism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because if you're willing to believe that they would fake an entire impeachment in order to reach that goal, you'd probably think they'd have no problem just saying, hey, you remember the rules you guys set four years ago?
Well, we're playing by them now.
No nominations until the election.
I understand what you're saying, but in the world where you believe that this is what they're doing, you would have to believe that they did it.
jordan holmes
Well, that would sway public opinion against them, Dan.
dan friesen
Certainly did for the rubbers.
jordan holmes
Didn't you see how it destroyed Mitch McConnell's career?
dan friesen
Right.
Anyway, my point is that this is not a compelling motive that Alex is suggesting for why impeachment would go through.
So anyway, everybody's being threatened.
I don't know.
Alex, he's still trying to get to his big reveal of what the...
jordan holmes
What hour are we in?
dan friesen
We're still in the first hour.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, that's better than I expected.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it's probably towards the end of that first hour.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
Anyway, senators are being threatened, and the Supreme Court is coming into play.
alex jones
Now, I have been saying, since before this started, three months ago, That they will impeach him in the House.
And then when it gets to the Senate, they're going to pull out the stops of blackmail, arm-twisting threats against the senators.
And I also said the Supreme Court could then be brought into play to claim that people weren't impartial.
And that would just create enough of a cloud, like the Democrats did with the election three years ago.
To create the real civil unrest going into the election year.
To tear the nation apart, which is what the globalists and the CHICOMs want, to undermine the nation.
That's been their plan all along.
And so, they are going for broke.
They are trying to cause a civil emergency.
That's why they're going after the guns in places like Virginia.
That's why they're saying, hell yes, we're coming for your AR-15s.
Because if they can't beat us politically, they are going to try to trigger an event along racial and along political lines that will tear the country into pieces.
Now, it is a big gamble.
And it's making the president, if he survives it, even stronger.
But.
unidentified
They can't help it and have to do it because they're being so politically destroyed by the Jeffrey Epstein information coming out and all the other corruption coming out.
jordan holmes
That's what's doing it.
alex jones
Blue City's collapsing and their alliance with the Chai Con.
dan friesen
That clip is really an Alex Jones clip, if there ever was one.
It has a ton of scary ideas, disconnected notions that are being brought together for no reason, and most importantly, references to obscure things that are in no way relevant.
Alex has failed to prove in any way that any senator is being threatened, and until he does, I'm going to assume he's just making that up.
The Supreme Court may actually need to get involved at some point.
If you have one party that refuses to take things seriously, but know they're in the majority, so they'll be fine if they just do nothing, they'll get their way, what else can you do?
I'm not sure that's the right thing to do, and I don't even know how that would play out, and I don't know if that's the direction things will go, but looking at things...
I wouldn't be too surprised if there was some sort of a legal challenge somewhere.
But, even so, even if the Supreme Court does get involved, I have literally zero belief that they would do so in a way that would trigger the outbreak of civil unrest or a civil war.
The Supreme Court literally decided the 2000 election, and though there were consequences of that, which we still have not fully atoned for, it did not lead to Democrats in the street rioting.
You could make an argument that the right wing is much more insane right now than the Democrats were in 2000, and you would be correct.
But I still think this kind of idea that Alex is selling is a bit of a stretch.
Plus, it's a conservative court.
I would assume they would err on the side of following a strict process, which favors the GOP, which is part of the reason I suspect they won't even get involved in the first place.
jordan holmes
Not even close.
dan friesen
At every point in Alex's career, the globalists have been just about to start a civil emergency, and it always has to do with going for the guns.
Somehow, this just never gets old for his fans.
It feels new and fresh every time.
Scary, all anew, all over again.
You know, he's getting into the coming for the guns.
It was Beto who said, hell yes, we're coming for your guns, and he dropped out of the presidential race on November 1st.
And as best I can tell, he's completely irrelevant to any race in the country.
jordan holmes
You didn't know this, but his quote is still running for president.
dan friesen
Oh, that's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you see the debate?
You didn't see a big sign that just said, hell yes, we're coming for your AR-15s behind a podium.
dan friesen
That it still beat...
jordan holmes
Compelling argument.
dan friesen
Still beat...
jordan holmes
Andrew Yang?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He, like, Beto's not in any office, nor does he seem to be a major force in the larger left-wing conversation.
It's not like he dropped out, but he's guiding the conversation that people are having.
As for Virginia, like, the Democrats won control of the state legislature in most of the recent election.
This is what he's talking about when he's talking about the guns.
So when the Democrats won the control of the state legislature, in effect, the state turned very blue.
There's been some talk of universal background checks possibly being discussed, but their legislative session hasn't even started yet.
But that hasn't stopped some gun weirdo community members from overreacting to Democrats being in office by stirring up egregious levels of paranoia.
According to The Hill, over 50 counties in Virginia passed resolutions declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries, which is not in any way legally binding, and it's just a symbolic act, or, as Paul Joseph Watson might call it, virtue signaling.
Nothing happened except Democrats winning elections, and immediately the effort to frame any kind of gun debate as encroachment of essential rights began with these counties passing meaningless resolutions.
Representative A. Donald McAkin commented that the governor may have to bring in the National Guard if law enforcement agencies in these counties are refusing to enforce laws.
But he wasn't saying the governor should do that.
It was just a comment about how that is a possible outcome if there are law enforcement agencies that are, in essence, going rogue.
He said, quote, that's his call because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be, but that's obviously an option he has.
And according to the Constitution, that is an option the governor has.
jordan holmes
Yes, it is.
dan friesen
And Alex knows that because he talks about it all the goddamn time.
This entire Virginia story is not about actual efforts to come for anyone's guns.
Although there may be gun laws that are discussed in the next legislative session, that is entirely possible.
But I would assume even with a Democratic majority, some of that is still going to die in committee.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Still won't pass.
jordan holmes
Because Republicans are fucking insane.
dan friesen
Whatever the case, this is the story of a severe preemptive overreaction by gun weirdos to Democrats winning elections.
It makes more sense for Alex to frame it differently, though.
unidentified
Now, these people, they gotta...
dan friesen
They have to do this because all their shit's coming down.
They're in so much trouble.
Jeffrey Epstein information coming out is destroying Democrats, exactly.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
Is it the bunk story about the non-missing, missing footage that he was talking about earlier?
Which blue cities are collapsing?
jordan holmes
That one actually took down Terry McAuliffe.
The non-story about that.
Yeah, he's gone now.
Did you know that?
Alright.
dan friesen
So which blue cities are collapsing, Jordan?
And how would triggering a race war help with that?
What's the goal here?
jordan holmes
Let's see.
dan friesen
Nothing Alex is saying makes sense.
It's all just a pastiche of his normal talking points and imagery, but he's trying to build it up to a fever pitch.
It has the vibe of I know you've heard me say all these things before, but this time it's for real.
It has the same vibe as all the other shit.
It's the same thing as how he started the show.
unidentified
I've said this is the most important thing ever before, but this time it really is.
dan friesen
And listening to his voice, I don't even believe he believes that.
jordan holmes
It is...
It is unfortunate that Obama didn't do any of the things that they said he was going to, because now they're just always going to assume that any Democrat...
Like, the Fox News and everybody spent eight years saying that Obama was a dictator who was going to come and take your guns.
And then when he didn't, they didn't just deflate.
And think that, oh, well, now that we have different Democrats, they're going to not take our guns.
Now it's just on red alert, 100%, all the time, any Democrat is going to take your guns.
That's it.
All day, every day.
They can't walk back from the fact that we elected a centrist black president and it drove them all insane.
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex gets around to these comments by Ruth Bader Ginsburg, which prove that...
The Supreme Court's going to decide this impeachment or something?
jordan holmes
I need you to prove that to me.
dan friesen
Alex certainly doesn't.
alex jones
Now, here's the big enchilada.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
We'll play the clip coming up next segment.
Says senators can be disqualified.
From upcoming impeachment trial, if they are not impartial.
Now, she doesn't have that power.
This whole thing is political.
dan friesen
So, that's not really what she said.
jordan holmes
I assume that's exactly what she said, word for word.
Along with, she was quoting Cicero, I believe.
dan friesen
Totally.
So, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was being interviewed while she was being awarded the Berggruen Prize for Philosophy and Culture.
In the interview it came up that Trump was being impeached and that some GOP senators had literally said that they weren't going to be impartial.
She was asked, quote, so if a senator says, I've already made up my mind and the trial doesn't exist at the moment, there's no accountability, is there?
And her response was, quote, if a judge said that, a judge would be disqualified from the case.
The day a judge stops being impartial and starts to do things to please the home crowd, that's the day the judge should step down from office.
The implication is that a trial should be presided over by impartial judges, and that the impeachment trial in the Senate involves the senators being essentially judges in the case.
So you could read that as her saying that senators who indicate that they've made up their mind pre-trial should be disqualified.
But the important thing to remember is that she didn't say that.
She implied that.
And she did so by pointing to an example of a similar situation that we all agree with.
If a judge in a different context was going around being all like, no matter what, I'm going to acquit this guy, you would easily recognize that as a problem.
But the claim Alex is making that RBG said that senators could be disqualified from the impeachment if they aren't impartial, that's a problem.
That claim is a problem.
Because it's not true.
It's not even the case that that's what she was implying.
The game he's playing is very clear.
jordan holmes
It never fails to amaze me how much...
What the right wing thinks shouldn't be in the Constitution isn't, and how much they think should be in the Constitution is.
Right.
Because in the Constitution, there's nothing that says you have to be an impartial juror if you're in a Senate impeachment trial, which arguably, maybe there should have been.
But when they were writing it, they just assumed that nobody would act like this.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
These guys were so stupid.
The founding fathers were idiots!
dan friesen
Also, Alex's idea here is really funny because Trump tweeted, quote, Radical left has no case.
Read the transcripts.
Shouldn't even be allowed.
Can we go to the Supreme Court to stop?
So Alex's nightmare scenario where the Supreme Court gets involved is literally what Trump is asking to happen.
I expected Alex to be all out of sorts about the reality of this impeachment setting in, but I really didn't think he'd be this low energy and disoriented.
His narrative makes no sense.
He's selling it poorly.
I think he's just beginning to realize that no matter what, his name is attached to this for history and posterity.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And I don't think he thinks that's a great way to be remembered.
I would be bummed out if I were him to.
jordan holmes
I can't read any.
I don't read any Trump tweets.
I don't read anything that talks about Trump tweets because it feels like he's sending a telegram and he's paying by the letter.
Stop!
This isn't fair!
Stop!
We're going to...
Like, fuck you.
How is that okay?
How is that not an impeachable offense?
dan friesen
So, Alex, one of his big things is that, like, he's already said it.
You've heard it.
He said that, like, all these dumped-down people think that this is a conviction.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Pelosi...
is not bringing the indictment to the Senate.
Not immediately doing that.
jordan holmes
Because it will technically be a kangaroo court and it won't happen.
dan friesen
It's because she wants it to appear like it's a conviction in and of itself.
alex jones
And so they're now having Pelosi say that she's going to withhold sending the articles up, certifying them so they can just have that out there that, oh look,
Trump I don't know what accusations Alex thinks are coming that is somehow going to catch fire and actually hurt Trump with his base,
dan friesen
but I think he shouldn't hold his breath.
I mean, we've all seen people accuse Trump of sexual assault, being a racist, and being corrupt in his business dealings, and none of his supporters have seemed to care up until this point, so I don't understand what Alex is preparing for.
jordan holmes
And in almost all of those incidents, he himself has backed up those accusations by saying that he did it.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's lying and corrupt on his taxes?
Oh, do you mean like he said he was in a debate?
Oh, he committed sexual assault?
Oh, you mean like he said he did?
Yeah.
And if anybody doesn't think he said the N-word, you're crazy.
dan friesen
You're beyond the pale.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even his supporters are like, well, of course he said the N-word!
dan friesen
Yeah, I just...
All I think is that what Alex is doing is trying to find a way to reframe the idea that the House has said that they're going to hold more hearings.
And that's just what he's doing.
He's preparing his audience for whatever information could come out of those.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And, I mean, fine.
Whatever.
This has been the big breakdown section.
The segment.
It gets to the end of the segment.
And so far, I mean, I think we've got...
He's misrepresenting a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's saying that people are being threatened.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
They're trying to impeach Trump just because they don't want another Supreme Court nomination.
jordan holmes
That sure makes sense.
dan friesen
I don't really think that we've got much of anything here, but this is how the segment ends.
alex jones
And we're going to go through how they then intend to remove the president and their real plan, which they're now executing, and that only exposure of it can stop them.
Please stay with us.
I'm Alex Jones, NewsWars.com.
dan friesen
So we haven't gotten to the plan.
We're going to get to the plan next.
This is all still just preamble to the plan.
That's why it felt so meaningless.
unidentified
Because it wasn't the plan.
dan friesen
This show is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
That's bananas.
dan friesen
Because I thought that was the plan.
jordan holmes
That's the only plan.
Yeah.
Oh, that's fun.
Whenever Democrats actually do what he says they're going to do, he's like, and the plan, if we reveal the plan, it's going to stop him.
And it's like...
No, it won't.
They've told you the plan.
The plan is to impeach and remove the president using this.
You can't make up a, if we expose the plan, it's going to stop them thing for this.
They've exposed the plan.
dan friesen
The strategy of, like, if we reveal the plan, it will stop them, it works really well when your plans are nuts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Because you just say something that's completely outlandish, and they're like, well, we exposed the plan so they couldn't do that.
Like, yeah, they weren't going to do that.
jordan holmes
Right.
That wouldn't make sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we don't know.
What the plan is yet.
And so he comes back from break and expresses that his show is truth.
alex jones
I am your host, Alex Jones.
And Infowars' very existence is an act of rebellion against the global tyrants.
unidentified
Your support is war.
alex jones
This is information warfare.
This is truth.
Head on.
unidentified
Committed to fight lies.
alex jones
This is life and death.
That's not melodrama.
unidentified
As the saxophone crescendos, that's not melodrama.
alex jones
That's where we are.
These people will take everything from us if we don't start standing up for ourselves.
Alright, let me lay it out.
dan friesen
So this is, like, two reasons for that.
Three reasons for playing that clip.
First, you belong to the city as a fucking...
Second reason, Alex literally says, this is truth.
That's his opinion.
That is the blurring of the presentation.
Third, that's the only circumstance in this episode where Alex really feels inspired.
Is when he's doing these voiceovers over swelling sex music.
The only time that you see life in him is when he's doing these If we don't stop them, they will take everything from us.
jordan holmes
He just wants to do voiceover.
unidentified
Give him Don LaFontaine's He's Dead.
jordan holmes
Take over.
dan friesen
He just wants to do overly dramatic threats over symphonic music.
jordan holmes
He wants to do the fun stuff.
You can't do that for four hours.
dan friesen
No.
He wants to do what he was doing in the past.
Singing along with the highwaymen.
That's the only time you see the spark of this as a person.
Otherwise, it's just these staccato, this is their plan.
They want to divide.
Pearl Harbor was fake.
jordan holmes
See, I kind of think he would wind up getting more listeners and viewers if he did go back to that singing along with shit.
I think people would tune in way more just because they're like, this guy used to be fucking crazy, and now look at how crazy he is.
But this is crazy in an entertaining and genuine way.
dan friesen
The problem with Alex right now is that he could be super, super popular if he would just drop a lot of this bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he would legitimately be somebody that people would tune in and want to watch.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he could do it, I think.
But the problem is, how do you get from A to B?
jordan holmes
That is tough.
That is tough.
dan friesen
B is probably marketable in this climate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But you'd have to figure out how to shed yourself of, as you described it, all of these necklaces, these rock necklaces that he's designed for himself that are weighing him down.
jordan holmes
How many boulders can I put on one string?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
But if he could figure out a way to do that, I think he could probably find a way to have the fun that he's having over this saxophone.
Not the not fun parts where he has to try and come up with absurd reasons for why his hero is getting impeached.
jordan holmes
Here's how I would do it.
Here's what I would do.
I would turn it into like the movie Airheads where it's like we're going under a station restructuring so I want to keep doing the info war but instead I'm just going to sing over the highway men now.
It's not me.
It's my managers up at the top.
It's just a station restructuring.
Nothing I can do.
dan friesen
Everybody I sold out to Sinclair.
They just want me to sing.
jordan holmes
If I were Sinclair, I think that would be the way I would go.
dan friesen
That would be amazing.
What are you just two did to our podcast one day?
Like, guys, craziest thing.
jordan holmes
This is amazing.
I don't know if we're going to keep going or not, but we're doing this episode for sure.
dan friesen
We are keeping going.
I'm going to just critique his karaoke from now on.
The dream job.
We thought we'd gotten to the plan.
Apparently not.
Gotta lay it out now, though.
Saxophone, take a break.
Take a break.
jordan holmes
A good swelling sax is a short circuit into anybody's brain as far as inspiration goes.
dan friesen
Totally.
And now Alex is inspired to lay it all out.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
All right, let me lay it out.
There's different scenarios, really four different ones, two that they'd really like.
dan friesen
There's four scenarios.
Two the globalists would really like.
jordan holmes
What are they doing with the other two?
dan friesen
They're just like, have we got to do it?
jordan holmes
Lesser of two evils.
dan friesen
Here's the first one.
alex jones
But here's the first option.
They create enough blackmail, enough hysteria, enough problems, enough pressure on these senators, enough division with all the other stories they're going to bring up while they're holding.
The article's from the Senate.
Another lawfare tactic.
And then the senators start buckling and they vote to remove him.
They say for the better of the country, this has just gone on too long.
There's too many bad things that have come out.
And now this latest thing, even though it's not in the trial, I just have to go against the president.
That's what they really want, what they're hoping for.
That's the Hail Mary.
dan friesen
This is a stupid theory and it's based on nothing.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Alex has nothing to support this narrative other than his own fantasies about what goes on in serious places in the world he would never be welcoming.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
But this is really useful as a narrative.
You need to provide some reason for your listeners not to completely turn on the GOP and the off chance that some senators do end up voting to convict.
Alex remembers the Ron Paul days and how impossible it would be for him to ever be anywhere near power if he went with a third party or tried to create a party.
He knows that it's imperative to keep things under the GOP wing and try to continue to corrupt it from the inside.
The other path is too hard.
And insisting that if any GOP senators vote to convict, it's only because the globalists were hitting them with hard, with tons of blackmail.
He kind of softened the backlash against the party a little bit.
jordan holmes
It's not their fault.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not their fault.
The globalists were strong, but they're not strong enough.
dan friesen
They were going to kill their children.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And also, this is never going to happen.
jordan holmes
What would you do in that scenario, huh?
dan friesen
This plan is never going to happen.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So just toss out that one.
jordan holmes
Was that the most, that was the one that they wanted to happen most?
dan friesen
That's implied, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
So here's the second option.
alex jones
The other one is that part of the Supreme Court says it's political, it's illegitimate, the Senate's running it wrong, even though it's all been a kangaroo event so far, and that triggers civil unrest and anger.
And they are blackmailing members of Trump's cabinet and the Senate, and then they create a 25th Amendment to the United States event.
XXV to the United States Constitution says that if the president becomes unable to do their job, the vice president becomes the president.
This could happen for just a little while.
The president is just sick or disabled for a short time.
It could also happen until the end of the president's term.
And they could say that he was mentally incapacitated.
So that's the second thing they want.
dan friesen
So, buddy, if the 25th Amendment hasn't been invoked yet, it's never going to be invoked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Trump just told a rally full of people that a political rival's recently dead husband might be in hell, and nothing happened, so don't worry about the 25th.
jordan holmes
No, it's because he makes too much sense, Dan.
dan friesen
Honestly, this option is really convoluted.
If I understand it correctly, Alex is saying that a part of the Supreme Court will say that the impeachment is being handled inappropriately.
This will somehow set off civil unrest, at which point the senators and people in the cabinet who are being blackmailed in this scenario as well.
That's consistent.
They'll invoke the 25th Amendment to get Trump out of office.
Now, Jordan, I would posit that none of this is necessary.
First of all, as I mentioned earlier, Trump tweeted that he wanted the Supreme Court involved.
So that kind of fucks up Alex's narrative a little bit.
Everything up to the point of the Senators being blackmailed is completely superfluous.
If the end goal is getting Senators and people in the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment, all of that can be achieved through the blackmail.
You don't need the Supreme Court to get in the mix, which then kicks off the civil unrest, which then supplements the blackmail or something.
It's an overly complicated, overwritten narrative that makes no sense from the standpoint of the imaginary conspirators.
jordan holmes
Wrong!
The blackmail is hidden by the social unrest.
That way, the senators don't have to say they're being blackmailed, they're being influenced by their voters, Dan.
Retract your statement now.
dan friesen
Hey, Jordan, no one ever says, I'm being blackmailed, that's why I'm doing this.
I suspect that this is just a way for Alex to prepare to delegitimize any left-wing protests that might happen surrounding the impeachment process.
Just try and put it as, they're playing into the globalist hands or something.
Also, this is never going to happen either.
Second option.
Off the table.
Not realistic in any way.
jordan holmes
I do love the situation where we're in being so insanely simple and yet spiraling into the most complicated version of reality we can.
Like, here's how this should work.
Because it's fairly simple.
The House impeaches the president.
The Senate acts as impartial jurors.
The evidence is presented since there's no exculpatory evidence whatsoever that anybody has brought forth.
dan friesen
Well, there's tons of witnesses.
They're just not being allowed to call them.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So let's call them.
dan friesen
By Trump.
jordan holmes
No, no.
Let's call them.
Let's do the whole thing.
He will be removed from office.
It's a very straightforward issue.
But because people don't want that to happen.
We have 10 million different games.
The article's impeachment can't be sent yet because Mitch McConnell's too corrupt to Burr.
So we need to drum up public opinion to put pressure on him.
And it's like, this is so simple!
dan friesen
The game that's being played by Alex is a lot crazier.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
It's a lot more interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we got those first two options.
Bad.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Not gonna happen.
jordan holmes
Not gonna happen.
dan friesen
Talking shit.
jordan holmes
And those are the two they most prefer.
dan friesen
That's implied.
He doesn't specify.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But you would think if they're the two that the globalists want, yeah, you would think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the third option.
See if you can see similarities.
alex jones
Third thing is, civil unrest, violence, breakdown, kills the economy, and that causes enough of a crisis.
For them to win the election and or get Trump to step down.
dan friesen
This is very dumb.
Trump thrives on civil unrest and no amount of it is going to cause him to step down from office.
This is a dude who leaned in to the Unite the Right rally where neo-Nazis chanted blood and soil and a woman was killed.
It's not like he's a guy who would say, hey, people are hurting and for the good of the country I've got to step down.
That point will never happen.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I think this is just a preemptive rationalization for the possible loss that will come in the 2020 election.
Sure, we could have won, but there was that civil unrest that destroyed the stock market, so technically we kind of did actually win since the global has caused it all.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's a good way to, you know, plant seeds.
jordan holmes
Reframe it so no matter what, I didn't lose.
Even if I lost, it's only because you cheated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This option means nothing.
Also, this is the last scenario.
In the intro to this...
jordan holmes
He said four!
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
There were only three scenarios!
dan friesen
Only three.
Alex forgot that there was four.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
There's just three.
Two are complete bullshit.
Total nonsense.
And the third is meaningless.
So he's not even trying.
This guy is so over it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the third option is just, like, they find a way to win the election.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the entire thing.
I mean, he's saying that they're using a bunch of different steps, but it could be...
The point in option number three is they win the election.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So they could win it...
In any number of different ways.
dan friesen
Sure, but they're going to do it by civil unrest that plunges the stock market.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I guess?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Or they could do it differently?
There are a lot of different ways to win an election.
dan friesen
Yeah, essentially, that third option does just come down to, we lose.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
We lose the election.
dan friesen
But he's really focused on this civil unrest stuff, and he knows that the globalists planned this, and he can prove it to you.
And this is not his feelings.
This is fact.
alex jones
How much civil unrest can they get?
I mean, just type in to the search engine, Infowars.com, and then Obama, documents show Obama planned martial law in Maryland 2015.
We got those in January 2018.
Confirmed 30 pages of Antifa secret documents funded by Alexander Soros, how they would go in and break things, working with the police in blue cities, the police commanders.
To try to trigger blacks to riot.
It didn't work.
But yeah, put that back on screen.
dan friesen
So, I mean, this is just the 4chan Soros Antifa documents that Alex found online that he's presenting as like, this is proof, man.
It's been confirmed.
No, it hasn't.
Found that online.
So in this next clip, it's really interesting because Alex tells how he got those documents.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's not true.
alex jones
That article is more important today than it was in January of 2018.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
Please go read this.
dan friesen
I did.
alex jones
The man's family found it and got it to us.
And we got threatened.
We got told, you stop that or you're going to get lawsuits.
And man, a week later they all started getting filed.
I mean, they are so pissed that we got those.
It's smoking gun of criminal...
Terrorist racketeering by Alexander Soros, who is the head funder of that group, nationwide.
dan friesen
So that was the story that was on 4chan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember that one.
dan friesen
That was the guy's brother found these documents.
jordan holmes
Yep, I remember that one.
dan friesen
That is not how Alex got them.
I watched that episode.
I remember this very clearly.
Alex's intern, Harrison Smith, came on air, said he found them on 4chan.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
This is bullshit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But now Alex has turned the story that was posted on 4chan.
jordan holmes
They heroically got in touch with Infowars specifically.
dan friesen
He's turned it into his own story of finding these documents.
jordan holmes
That should be against the law.
dan friesen
But you know what?
I bet Alex thinks that is what happened.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I agree.
I totally believe it.
dan friesen
I bet that's how he remembers it now because he's mythologized it so much in the retelling of the story over and over and over again that it feels real to him that this guy's brother was like, oh, we've got to get these to Alex.
He'll get the truth out.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Instead of just his intern was lurking on 4chan and found these fake documents that they decided to pass off as real.
jordan holmes
It's like a fish tale, but with fucking potentially world-changing information, if any of it should be real.
It's like, oh, the fish is this big!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, oh, Jesus.
dan friesen
But see, that's the thing, man.
These documents, contracts between Antifa and Soros.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And that's why you gotta worry about Soros.
jordan holmes
Because of contract law.
dan friesen
Soros does some bad stuff.
jordan holmes
With contracts.
I mean, he does leave a paper trail of his bad stuff, like any smart...
dan friesen
Makes it easier for an info warrior to...
jordan holmes
Like any smart criminal.
dan friesen
Yeah, certainly.
So because Soros is so bad, it makes other people who appear bad, actually they're not that bad.
alex jones
This is an attack to take our country down.
I mean...
They demonize Putin because he just has all the Soros heads who aren't Russian bringing billions in a year to overthrow the Russian government and the people.
He just has them thrown out of the country.
And Russians that work with him get arrested.
That's not authoritarianism.
If you're a Russian in Russia, you can protest all you want.
I've studied it.
But if you're funded by Soros and you're trying to teach five-year-olds how to suck cock, you get your ass arrested.
Excuse my French, but that's what's going on, folks.
dan friesen
Is it a family show?
Is it a family show?
unidentified
I love listening to Infos Wars with your daddy.
dan friesen
Soros is trying to teach Russian kids how to suck up.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's it.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
I'm going to take that clip to show and tell with me.
dan friesen
I'm going to leave that just sort of sitting out there.
You know, Russians have absolute ability to demonstrate freely, to organize all that.
It's all just Soros.
Soros is instigating against the Russian government.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
That is the most fascist argument you can possibly make.
No, no, everybody has the right...
To protest, except for these people, whomever they may be, based on a fictional thing that I create and change at my whims.
dan friesen
Right, I mean, if Alex is tying the entirety of anti-fascism to Soros through these fake documents, you've got to imagine that anybody would be able to falsely connect any protest to Soros, if that's the game Alex wants to play.
jordan holmes
Everybody has the right to free and fair protest, except for people who are against fascism, Dan.
That sure seems to be his point.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, Alex is pretty mad about people inciting violence, I suppose.
And he gets around saying that within a very short clip, Alex takes issue with people inciting violence.
And then, by the end of it, is saying that Trump should get the military involved.
So, this clip takes a little bit of a ride.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
If I was running around trying to get people to go kill people or burn things, I'd get arrested for a conspiracy to commit mayhem and crime and disorder.
And I'd spend life in prison, and I should.
I'd never do that.
These people are committing crimes, breaking our borders, funding the refugee centers, assaulting us.
And so enough talk.
I want the president to do his job.
And I want him to put them on notice that he knows they're trying to create a civil war and all the rest of it.
And if they don't hold the process correctly in the Senate and the rest of it, the executive branch and the American people are going to have to step in and it means war.
No more games.
dan friesen
That's pretty extreme.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But that's pretty standard for Alex.
That's pretty par for the course of where he's at these days.
But you see, he did this like, this is the most important show I'm ever going to do.
I'm going to lay out the globalist plan.
There's four scenarios.
There's only three.
jordan holmes
There's only three.
dan friesen
It's just an incompetent display of dumbassery.
And then we now see he started to talk about Soros and these contracts and all this civil unrest.
He's starting to work himself up.
And now he's starting to get angry and the violence is coming to the surface.
And you can start to feel it bubble throughout the rest of this show.
alex jones
I don't want my man to cross the Rubicon.
I want him to drain the Rubicon entirely.
dan friesen
And kill it.
jordan holmes
And kill it!
Kill that river!
dan friesen
So I've been working on a theory for a little while, and that is that Alex doesn't know Bolsonaro's name.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Or at least has completely forgotten it.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
He said Bolsonaro before.
dan friesen
Way back.
jordan holmes
Yes, way back.
dan friesen
He just refers to him as the guy in Brazil.
jordan holmes
Brazilians Trump.
dan friesen
In Brazil's Trump.
In this clip, I think we get more evidence that maybe he's trying to learn his name?
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is scaring the hell out of the globalists that were this close to taking this country down.
And they said in the CFR, they said in the Financial Times of London, the Atlantic Monthly, all the globalist mouthpieces, their organs.
And if Hillary loses, it's a death blow to globalism.
And then if we can't get rid of Trump, it's a death blow to globalism.
dan friesen
I appreciate that he tried.
So the impeachment is happening.
It's going to go to the Senate.
And Alex has a lot of feelings about this being done by the letter of the Constitution.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Which it is being done.
dan friesen
Well, but it's important for somebody who's making such an argument.
To really know what the Constitution entails.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
Particularly in these sorts of situations.
You gotta know how the impeachment is supposed to be run.
This clip does not inspire confidence in me that Alex knows anything about what he's talking about.
alex jones
Here is Ginsburg suggesting senators can be disqualified from upcoming impeachment.
jordan holmes
By who?
dan friesen
Whom?
alex jones
The branches are co-equals so one doesn't take over the other and they keep each other in check.
So, the Supreme Court can only supposedly get involved in an impeachment if there's a tie.
What?
You gotta have the two-thirds, the supermajority, and the vice president can break that, but then what if that was a tie?
Well, the Supreme Court.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
What if...
The two-thirds is a tie.
So it was two-thirds against one-third, and they were somehow tied at the end of it.
dan friesen
There cannot be a tie in the Senate when a two-thirds majority is required to pass something.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
dan friesen
One of the ways this is super advantageous is because you would never want a tie in the Senate vote, since the vice president is also the president of the Senate and gets to cast votes in tie-breaking situations.
Part of the reason that you'd never want that to come up is because the vice president becomes president if the president's removed, so you really...
We really don't want to have to deal with the optics of casting a tie-breaking vote that makes you the president.
But it doesn't matter.
Because in tie-breaking situations, in impeachment trials in the Senate, they're presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
The tie-breaking vote would go to the Chief Justice.
The circumstances are possible, except not with the conviction vote.
There are votes about rule changes that happen throughout the trial, and in those situations, all you need is a simple majority, and in those cases, the Chief Justice presiding over the trial would be the tie-breaking vote.
Either way, the Vice President doesn't come into play in this at all.
It's crazy.
He really doesn't know what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The fact that he thinks that the vice president would cast a tie-breaking vote, or if there's still a tie, the Supreme Court gets involved, he realizes in the middle that it's a two-thirds situation.
alex jones
Wow!
jordan holmes
And that makes even less sense historically, just because the vice president and president weren't originally on a ticket together.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It was whoever got the first and second most votes.
So in that situation...
If the vice president is the guy who got the second most votes and was like, hey, somehow this one vote I'm going to test makes me president, this is non-partisan, guys.
I'm not corrupt at all.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that inspires very little confidence.
Whenever Alex goes on these rants about how they're not going according to the Constitution, and he says stuff like that, I just got to think like...
Alright, you're not a good source for this sort of information.
I'm going to go ahead and check out.
jordan holmes
The people most likely to carry a constitution in their pocket are somehow also the people least likely to have read it.
It's kind of amazing.
dan friesen
So anyway, the globalists are desperate because they're breaking the constitution doing all this impeachment stuff.
And that means they're about to false flag some stuff.
alex jones
And I want listeners to understand something.
And I think you know this better than I. This is real.
The globalists want civil unrest.
They want a war.
They're probably looking to bomb federal buildings and blame it on talk radio like they did in 95, which they saw as the voice of the people.
It'll be the internet this time.
And so if there's going to be mass shootings or bombings or other false flags to create racial and cultural division, we're entering the zone right now.
Everybody's got to be alert.
It's got to be watchful.
Including law enforcement, because this country's fighting for its life.
This is very serious.
The next 300 plus days are maximum alert.
Maximum alert.
This country is at war.
dan friesen
All I hear is Alex being aware that the communities that he inspires and is connected with are in such a mode that bombing a building is possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
All I hear is that, okay, we are in a situation where...
Extreme element of our side could very easily...
Like, some unstable person, you could very easily see some tragedy happening.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And all this is, to me, is preemptive narrative building.
jordan holmes
I was listening to that just going like...
Man, the number of emails and tweets and all this shit that he's aware of, all from his people pointing to like...
dan friesen
Well, he doesn't read those emails.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
But all of this stuff has created an atmosphere where he's like...
I know that somebody who listens to my show may very well do this, and I better get in front of this real quick.
dan friesen
Or at least just know it's a possibility.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying he's saying that it's going to happen, or he knows that somebody is about to do it, but the climate that he's in, you can't not know.
dan friesen
I think even if you're not in that climate, you're aware of it.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
There's a possibility.
In the same way there was in 95. 95, yeah, exactly.
With the rising of the right-wing extremism.
So I understand.
I understand that.
All I see is craft.
All I see is the awareness that this is a possibility.
We better be ready if that happens.
So we'll build this narrative in advance.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think poor craft that's very transparent.
dan friesen
I don't think it is unless you pay attention.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, yeah.
dan friesen
I think if you buy into Alex's shit, you probably would see that as like...
Yeah, they are going to do that.
And you could then later be like, he called it.
I think if you're not aware.
But for people like us, yes, obviously.
jordan holmes
It can't be more obvious.
dan friesen
So now here's where everything changes.
Alex starts taking calls and he gets a caller who asks one of the more upsetting questions that I've ever heard.
jordan holmes
How do you shave your privates?
dan friesen
That's not it.
The question is along the lines of when is the time to start shooting people and Follow-up, who should I point my gun at?
Now, I'm going to play this clip in its entirety.
It's a little bit longer, but I think it's important to see how Alex responds to this question.
unidentified
So here's my question.
Now, this is a hypothetical situation.
jalen martin
Let's hypothetically say that at some point in the next six months to a year, the Democrats get their way through illegal means, and this thing happens to go kinetic, which obviously none of us want to happen.
unidentified
Through to, like, Matt Brackett and some of these other guys.
For people like me, if this thing goes hot, who do we point our guns at, you know?
I mean, I have neighbors that are Democrats that are good people.
I know some pretty crazy liberals that, you know, do some pretty crazy things.
But, you know, we've got a cabal of representatives and people that call themselves Democrats that aren't.
I mean, the average individual is not in a position to react to this.
alex jones
Well, I'm not saying I don't want offensive violence.
And if the globalists get rid of Trump, they're going to plunge the economy and try to hold people hostage to legislatively accept open borders and globalism and political correctness.
As a price to turn the economy back on like they did when Obama got in.
They turned the economy off to bring Obama in.
They turned the economy partially back on once he got in.
So obviously the police aren't it.
The average stupid libtard isn't it.
You remember when they sent the guy to try to kill the Republican baseball team, the Republican caucus, to kill Rand Paul and Scalise and others.
They tried.
That guy knew what he was doing.
He didn't know how to fire the gun right, but he went and found the leadership.
dan friesen
What you have there...
jordan holmes
What the fuck did he just say?
dan friesen
Right.
Because all that stuff, the immediate answer to the question is buffer.
That's just fill in time.
The actual answer to the question begins when he says, the cops aren't it.
The cops aren't it.
Your average libtard isn't it.
The guy who went and shot at Steve Scalise had the right idea.
jordan holmes
Which wasn't a false flag because it was the other team who did that.
dan friesen
Well, it was a false flag because the globalists did it.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, fair, fair.
dan friesen
Whatever the case, Alex is expressing to this caller, Democratic leadership is where, go get him.
jordan holmes
That was...
dan friesen
When things get hot.
jordan holmes
That was a guy asking...
dan friesen
Permission.
jordan holmes
Hypothetically, in the same way that some dude would be like...
dan friesen
Asking for a friend.
jordan holmes
Hypothetically, if I asked you out on a date, how should I do it?
Because if the answer is yes, you're like, ha ha, I'm actually doing it.
If the answer is no, you're barely hiding behind hypothetically.
dan friesen
Right, asking for a friend.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fucked up.
dan friesen
That's an irresponsible fucking answer.
But Alex, you know, he equivocates a little bit.
He's like, I'm not saying you should hunt down Democrats.
I'm not saying, because I think he realizes we've gotten into dicey water here.
alex jones
So I don't think anybody should go target Democrats like that.
But if it goes into civil war and they're confiscating guns and tracking down patriot leaders and stuff, then these are foreign combatants.
These are foreign generals.
And it's just like any war.
That's the high-value targets.
I'm not saying go after those people.
We're not in that wheelhouse.
dan friesen
But everything that you described as being characteristics of being in that wheelhouse are the features of your rhetoric.
Saying going after patriot leaders, hunting them down.
All you talk about is how these lawsuits against you are the government and the globalists trying to take you down.
You are the leader of the patriots in your conception, so that qualification has been filled.
They're going after the guns.
Every single day there's stories about how they're going after the guns.
All of the qualifications for the situation wherein you might hunt down the Democratic leadership is satisfied if you listen to his show.
He's giving this fucking answer that is so discordant.
That is so out of line.
Like, you can't know what he's saying because he's dancing.
He's dancing around.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't know what the answer is, but the answer is irresponsible.
jordan holmes
I think the answer in his heart is it's bad for business if you start shooting people, but it's good for business if I tell you to shoot people and you don't.
dan friesen
It's good for business if I make sure to not tell you to do this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And if you do it, it'll be a false flag.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, you know, do what you need to do.
jordan holmes
Hey, hey, hey.
You know, you got to do what you got to do.
dan friesen
This is really bad.
But he wants you to know not to be violent offensively.
But then he also later talks about how a good defense is a good offense.
So it's a little bit murky.
But, you know, don't be violent.
There's another solution.
alex jones
If there's big riots in the street, people will go to capitals and fight each other there.
That's all idiotic.
Nobody wants to do that.
Take care of your children.
Get the word out.
It's all information warfare at this point.
To counter whatever narrative's going on, if they kill Trump, if they remove Trump, then it's go confront politicians.
It's get on national TV.
It's what this guy just did on Infowars.com.
It's happening every day now.
It's a chain reaction.
Must watch Infowarrior make citizens arrest on Adam Schiff.
I mean, I've got stacks of stuff just as incredible as this.
dan friesen
So the answer is make me viral content.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
That's not good.
Hey, look, I know you're asking me.
Who I should shoot at if the trouble happens.
And I'm telling you, make me a video.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What?
dan friesen
Wait, actually, there are high-value targets, and the guy who shot at Steve Scalise had the right idea, but make me a video.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Why don't we first try to get me promotional, like, stuff I can monetize.
Get me some videos.
jordan holmes
This is...
This is bananas, man.
This is bananas that anybody would act like this.
It makes sense, like, in the olden times when everybody was fucking stupid and starving all the time, but we're now.
dan friesen
You know?
jordan holmes
This is now.
dan friesen
This is not how you should be interacting with a caller who asks you, who do I point my gun at?
jordan holmes
Yeah, please do not cosplay steampunk Civil War on a fucking radio show.
dan friesen
If someone calls in and asks who I should point my gun at, you should either talk them down or get off the air.
jordan holmes
Who should I point my gun at?
dan friesen
No one.
jordan holmes
The ground.
Maybe a deer.
dan friesen
Instead, Alex keeps talking to him, and the caller reframes the question to ask, where's the line?
unidentified
I guess what I'm really getting at is, you know, there are other forces, you know, military of sorts, that, you know, as individual citizens, we expect to step up and do the right thing at some point.
I guess the real question I'm asking is, you know, where is the legal line that gets crossed?
alex jones
They've already crossed it.
They won a physical war.
They've already crossed it.
They can trigger a war.
Stage some stuff.
Make us all look bad.
Cast us as the bad guys.
And then get everybody to kind of capitulate and be wimps.
That's not going to happen.
It's going to blow sky high.
And the Chi-Coms and others will be happy.
dan friesen
Alex already knows that the prior context of this question is, who should I point my gun at?
When this caller is asking, where is the line legally?
jordan holmes
It's already crossed.
dan friesen
He's talking about the question he's already asked.
And for Alex to emphatically and immediately interrupt and be like, they've already crossed the line.
That is...
jordan holmes
Incitement.
dan friesen
Well, in a certain sense, you could read that as him being like, it's fair game.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've already told you the smart thing to do, and I've already told you that the conditions for it have technically been met.
dan friesen
He can't be this oblivious to not realize that this is a message that this caller could very easily be getting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is so dangerous.
This is really, really, really dangerous.
jordan holmes
I think this guy is expressing, I think, a common confusion.
Especially, like, a very American confusion about when to do revolution.
Because if you go back and look at the original Revolutionary War, all of the conditions that caused that are probably, you could consider, far less extreme in regards to...
dan friesen
Debatably.
jordan holmes
You know?
Debatably.
So that confusion of both lionizing and celebrating the Revolutionary War as the best thing we could have done ever with continued nonviolence, hopefully, is really difficult for a lot of these, especially these gun weirdo guys.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it is a problem.
Yep, I agree.
So the answer is really...
Revising the past.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Isn't it?
dan friesen
Well, and even in the more recent past, what we should have done is Trump should have just locked everybody up.
So Alex says that he should have just jailed his opposition and shit.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like a democratic country.
dan friesen
As he goes out to break, he's almost giving a list of targets.
alex jones
There should have been indictments a long time ago, and because there weren't indictments, he created a vacuum for these people to run wild.
And that's where we are right now.
unidentified
So perhaps calling...
Instead of calling your senators and representatives, perhaps calling the State Department and demand that, you know, these criminals are acted against is a better way to go.
alex jones
Well, I would find out who all the Soros people are, like the State Department, and then I'd go to these little CFR events they have in public and get in their face legally and lawfully.
They need that pressure put on them to tell them to back off trying to cause a civil war because they're going to be held responsible.
Soros and his little demon son and all these globalists and Ford Foundation people and all these professors and academics, all these anti-free speech.
If it goes Connecticut.
dan friesen
He doesn't know the word kinetic.
So yeah, but look, the issue here is that the caller has already asked at the beginning of this, when it goes kinetic, who am I aiming my gun at?
At the end of this, as Alex is going out to break, not only is he saying Soros and Soros' son, everybody involved in the CFR, liberal professors, anti-American turds, these are the enemies when it goes Connecticut.
You can't read that any other way than to say, first of all, the line has already been crossed, and these are the people who are the enemies, who you have already asked me, who should I point my gun at?
It makes A then B, B then C, A then C. It just makes a kind of logical sense that he's telling this guy a list of people who are the enemies he should be pointing his gun at when it goes Connecticut.
This is not okay.
jordan holmes
Like, what's happening is I hear this discordant cognitive dissonance where it's like he's saying what he knows he should be saying whenever the question is direct.
Like, who should I be trying to murder?
And he's like, you should not be murdering people.
Make me a promotional video.
But then whenever it's rephrased, he can't understand that the questions are connected.
He thinks they're completely separate.
So then he gets back into...
dan friesen
And legally he might be okay because of that somewhat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe he's too stupid to be starting a...
dan friesen
I still don't know if this is illegal.
jordan holmes
I think something is illegal here.
dan friesen
It's just wrong.
jordan holmes
There's no way...
dan friesen
It's just wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no way that you can understand words the way they're meant to be understood and not think that he is giving people an idea of who they should murder.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The only way you can defend yourself is that you say he doesn't understand the words he's saying.
dan friesen
And if so, he needs to be taken off air for public safety.
Because if he doesn't understand what he's doing and the messages he's disseminating, he is dangerous by his own inability.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
It is irresponsible to allow him to be able to speak to this many people.
dan friesen
Yeah, but there's bigger news.
jordan holmes
He just told us who to kill in the Civil War.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
That's really big news.
dan friesen
Civil War has not gone Connecticut yet.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But one war that is Connecticut.
jordan holmes
Vermont.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The war on Christmas.
alex jones
The war on Christmas is also heated.
unidentified
No!
alex jones
I haven't even gotten to that.
I didn't play the clip of Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch on Fox News saying Merry Christmas and mainline headlines like, hate crime committed, threw down the gauntlet, rubbed it in our faces.
Well now, college official, don't buy Christmas presents to fight climate change.
These people are just sick.
dan friesen
This is a complete bullshit story here.
This is about someone who works for William& Mary named Calandra Waters Lake, who apparently said, quote, step back and remember that the reason for the gift is to show someone you care.
So, is buying a gift the best way to do that?
Going out and doing something with the recipient to spend time with them may be a better option.
Now, if some Christian pundit were to say the exact same thing, making the point that Christmas has become too commercialized and that Jesus is the reason for the season, Alex would 100% be in favor of that anti-materialist message.
jordan holmes
Well, that's because that's exactly what he believes, and he's a Christian, Dan.
dan friesen
He would be so on board, but because this person was giving the same advice in the interest of minding your carbon footprint, all of a sudden it's devil speak.
This shit's so dumb that even the article on Infowars had to call itself out.
Quote, ironically, however, some of her other tips are actually quite useful in terms of combating materialism and consumerism, even if that wasn't exactly the intent.
To which I say, go to bed, assholes.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
You're not going to make this War on Christmas shit work if that's the best you've got.
jordan holmes
No, this is...
You can't have the, when do we start shooting in the Civil War on the same episode as, when do we start shooting in the War on Christmas?
These people are cartoons.
That's cartoonish.
To consider that the war on Christmas, which has been going on since the fucking late 80s now, combined with the Civil War, you're like, well, both of these are equal airtime situations.
dan friesen
So also with Neil Gorsuch, people were more mad about him shilling a book on Fox and Friends and not other outlets while he's a Supreme Court justice.
...
...
And the anchor said, "Oh, I love how you say that." And they were making fun of that because Fox News have made the "We aren't allowed to say Merry Christmas" thing into a pretty big talking point in the last few years.
So it kind of makes it look like a wink that he's...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think they're more making fun of that.
Less actually offended that anyone said Christmas.
jordan holmes
Wait, so he's going on Fox and Friends and selling his book?
dan friesen
I believe it was Fox and Friends.
It was on Fox News.
I can't remember the exact show, but I think I read it was Fox and Friends.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
No.
So, Alex, he has a memory in this next clip.
And he talks about how he was at the inauguration.
And he was a hero.
On that day.
jordan holmes
I really don't remember him being a hero.
dan friesen
That day was war.
Was it?
You understand me?
jordan holmes
Which war?
The Civil War?
The war on Christmas?
Or the war between Vermont and Connecticut?
dan friesen
It was an early skirmish in the Connecticut War on Christmas.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
At the inauguration.
jordan holmes
Okay, gotcha.
dan friesen
That had gone Connecticut.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
This story is not true.
alex jones
You know, I was just having flashbacks to three years and three months ago.
Three years and two months ago.
January 2017, and they had a big steel fence around the whole mall, and it opened up at 8 a.m., and I didn't check where the VIP entrance was to my ticket.
I just said, I'll just, I want to walk up the mall.
I want to go in at one of the main entrances.
There were like 10 of them.
So I started to get at the bottom.
It was all blocked by Antifa, beating people up in front of police, including families with children and people bleeding.
We have video of it.
And so I got pissed, and with my security guys, we ran over a mob of them, and the police ran over and threatened to arrest us.
And I sort of just screamed at them.
I said, I know you're on order to stand down, but shame on you.
You let these damn families through here.
And that heard me go through a few more entrances, and then finally went to the very top one, and there was all the, Antifa wasn't there.
Because they had agreements with the police where they could be, where the federal police were, and where it was the entrance for all the congresspeople and everybody.
Oh, Antifa wasn't there.
Just like in the documents we got.
Two years ago, from George Soros' operation, how they go to certain cities, they have agreements with police that they're allowed to commit the crimes in certain areas.
It's all staged.
And I just got so angry.
Because it took me hours to get in until I went, well, let's go try the top entrance.
Then it was all Border Patrol running it, and ICE, and they were all nice, and there was no lines, and you just walk through.
But the American people were being fed on by the D.C. police in league with the Antifa.
That is something out of North Korea!
These people are dangerous.
We cannot let them get control of the country.
dan friesen
So I guess the police are in cahoots.
That story is not true at all.
And it's even an exaggerated version of that story I've heard him tell a hundred times.
And it's all just to conform with the fake Soros Antifa contracts that he found.
He's just rewritten that story to match his false documents.
jordan holmes
It's a story like that that makes me worry if at the end of this we both go insane.
Because that is the least real thing that I think I've ever heard from anybody.
unidentified
And it's like, he's just...
jordan holmes
Gaslighting me so hard.
I'm listening to this using that part of my brain that's like, well, you should listen to human beings.
You're a kind person.
Do that.
And trust them because you would act trustworthy so you can assume that they would act trustworthy towards you.
And it's just such a lie.
It's just not real.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, that's the fundamental flaw of this show is the idea of like, well, you should listen to people you disagree with.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No.
dan friesen
Sometimes you shouldn't.
unidentified
You shouldn't.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think I've gone insane yet.
So I think that there's a good chance we're in the clear.
jordan holmes
So far, I mean, man, three years time is...
dan friesen
Alex might say a code word at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
You know, three years is a hard time, I know.
But I mean, when you're looking at a dime, maybe year seven is when you go crazy.
dan friesen
Could be.
Seven year itch.
So Alex gets back on the phone.
We've already had one guy who's one of the most fucked up calls I've heard on his show ever.
jordan holmes
And he was very flippant and just nonchalant about starting the second Civil War.
dan friesen
Then he gets a caller who's got a Scottish accent.
And he's talking in this brogue.
jordan holmes
Sean Connery, I assume.
dan friesen
It's a terrible accent.
And I'm like, this guy is doing a fake accent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And in the middle of it, he switches into his real voice.
jordan holmes
It was Mike Myers the whole time.
dan friesen
He's like, you know how I sounded like I was Scottish?
jordan holmes
But I'm not.
dan friesen
That's like the impeachment stuff.
It sounds like things.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I was like, holy shit.
jordan holmes
This is terrible.
He did a bit.
dan friesen
Yeah, he did a bit.
And he's like, yeah, I'm a comedian.
I do impressions.
jordan holmes
There it is.
dan friesen
I was on America's Got Talent.
You shouldn't have been.
Alex is like, I'm going to give you a job.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
dan friesen
I wanted to play all of it, because it's one of the more absurd things.
Because he's talking about his comedy credits, and how like, yeah man, these places that I was in, this small town, they wouldn't let me perform, and I'm like, I'm too big for your town, so I went to LA.
jordan holmes
Wow.
And then I got hired by SNL, and you know, I don't want to talk about that anymore.
dan friesen
I wanted to play all of it, but it's way too long, and just playing a tiny piece of it wouldn't do it justice.
Suffice it to say, a guy does a fake Scottish accent.
Says he's a comedian, and then Alex offers him a job.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That sounds like exactly how that would work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It was very surreal.
jordan holmes
This guy sounds a little bit like Fat Bastard, so I gotta let him do the fourth hour from now on.
dan friesen
Get in my radio show!
I do impressions after all.
jordan holmes
Get out of here!
dan friesen
So Alex gets another caller who does an excessive plug for Alex's product.
Very excessive.
But then he has a pitch for a shirt.
That I think would be in poor taste.
unidentified
My God, you have changed my life.
Turbo Force has changed my life.
I was red-pilled in 2016, largely in part because of you.
I started buying your products about a year ago.
You've got bodies, super silver, super silver for your teeth.
Red Pill Plus, Red Pill.
You've changed my life.
What I really want to say, first off, I'm an artist.
I was born and raised in the Kansas City area.
But I moved to Northern California in 2011.
I've been social networking since 1987.
And the information warfare is exactly where we need to be.
I had an idea for a t-shirt, which is why I called.
It would show, it would be a picture of Anne Frank holding an AR or another kind of gun.
And the caption would say, Anne Frank needed a gun.
They've hijacked our women.
And we need women to...
alex jones
I totally agree.
We need women to identify with being strong and empowered and not slaves to the globalists.
That's a great idea.
Anne Frank needed a gun on the front.
On the back, don't let dictators take your guns.
And you're absolutely right.
That's a great idea, sir.
dan friesen
That's a great idea.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I did not know Banksy was an Info Warrior.
dan friesen
I would just, I can't imagine how poorly that shirt would go over.
jordan holmes
There's just no, you just can't parody.
You just can't parody him.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
They're just better at it.
They're better at parodying themselves than I could ever, I would never even consider that.
dan friesen
Can't put a hat on a hat, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I would never consider that.
That's bananas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we get one last clip here from the 19th, and it's Alex talking about how you can tell demon-possessed people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You can pick them out of a crowd.
And it's by their eyes.
jordan holmes
They design a shirt with Anne Frank holding a gun on it.
dan friesen
And then Alex starts wandering and giving a sort of biblical justification for killing people who are demon-possessed.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Which isn't good, given the prior context of everything else that's happened on this show.
alex jones
And if you look at these globalists, they always have that look in their eyes like they're winning, they're so powerful, they're enjoying it.
Those are haughty eyes, and men have them too.
And demon-possessed people always have those eyes like they're going to get you, it's funny, and they're real cynical, and you're a piece of filth.
Absolutely.
Notice, that was misinterpreted out of the Hebrew, thou shalt not kill.
That says thou shalt not murder.
But that passage again says innocent blood.
Innocent blood means killing people that didn't attack you.
Killing people that didn't need killing who were hurting innocent people.
The whole Bible's full of God saying these people are devil worshippers that give their kids to human sacrifice.
I want them all dead.
Kill them.
And I'm not saying go out and start killing people.
I'm just telling you what the Bible says when it's time to go to war.
God says wipe them out.
Is that not the Bible?
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
You know, it's the people most likely to carry around a Bible in their pocket who are least likely to have read the fucking Bible.
dan friesen
I don't think you can have any less responsible thing you could say on air than, I'm not saying you should go around killing people.
I'm just telling you what the Bible says.
I think you have entered into pretty bad territory.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So the show wraps up on the 19th, and I felt like that's exactly kind of what I expected, but actually more extreme.
Than I expected.
Of Alex's response to the impeachment being.
Like, I knew that he wasn't going to be caught, like, on his heels.
You know, like, he wasn't going to be off balance.
jordan holmes
Nobody's surprised by him.
dan friesen
But I wasn't prepared for, first of all, the angle that he has to be so weak.
Like, the plans that the globalists have to be so dumb, so poorly thought through.
So, just almost winging it.
Like, it doesn't indicate to me in any way that he sat down and thought, like, alright, what are we going to do?
jordan holmes
It does seem like the Democrats and the globalist evil plans have a loose improvisational feel to them, almost.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I would have expected, like, he knows that the impeachment was going to happen at some point, and he's known that for a while.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get your goddamn writer's room together and have him come up with something inspired.
jordan holmes
Well, he just hired his first writer.
dan friesen
He's Scottish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I did expect there to be some sort of a...
It's an extreme, violent undertone.
But I didn't expect it to be nearly that overt and that fucked up.
But it does track with the sort of rising temperature of his show over the last couple weeks.
There has been a far more consistent discussion of the time to kill, when is killing okay, who should we kill.
It does seem like that conversation is normalizing to an extent that it was not A while back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's something to keep an eye on.
Anyway, Alex gets in and look, dude.
Here's the deal.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They're not just going to try and impeach Trump.
Pence is also on the chopping block.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, he did it too.
dan friesen
According to Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So it's now all happening.
This broke this morning.
And I see the crew putting up articles from Flashback January 2019.
11 months ago.
We're not going to show those articles here anymore.
I'm going to go to rebroadcast for a while.
It's no big deal.
Because I need to get prepared for this, and I'm going to go to a terminal, and I'm going to pull the clips from 2017, the clips from 2018, where myself and Roger Stone specifically laid out here on air exactly how they would trigger all of this.
dan friesen
How did you not do this pre-show?
How little do you care?
They're like, I'm going to start the show, and then within a minute, within two minutes of being on air, being like, I'm going to rebroadcast because I've got to actually do prep.
I've got to find those articles.
My staff can't do it.
They're not finding the right articles.
He does nothing.
He does nothing to prepare for this.
It's all just talking shit.
unidentified
God, he has the easiest job.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he still fucked it up.
That's amazing.
His ability to fail is incredible.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, anyway, the plan's to impeach Pence, but then Pelosi gets in office.
Then what?
alex jones
A plot to make Pelosi president.
Now Adam Schiff wants to go up for Vice President Pence.
And that's up on Infowars.com.
We told you that hundreds of times.
And who becomes president if he's removed?
Pelosi.
Then who's ready to run for office?
Still run the Democratic Party, waiting for a broker convention.
Come on, Hillary.
Pelosi's the placeholder.
She becomes the first woman president.
jordan holmes
But, oh, it's okay.
alex jones
We have an election a few months later.
And, boom, Hillary Rodham Clinton is in.
It's all set up.
It's all prepared.
We told you two years ago.
With total precision.
We're getting the clips.
Total precision.
dan friesen
All right.
Whatever.
Anyway, that wasn't the plan, according to me, yesterday.
But, whatever.
jordan holmes
I can't think of anybody more wrong.
Than somebody who thinks Hillary Clinton...
dan friesen
Total precision?
Is that what you're talking about?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm boggled.
I'm boggled.
dan friesen
So Alex is waiting for those clips, for his interns to find them, because he doesn't actually go off air to do that work that he failed to do before the show.
But, you know, just riffing around and decides to get real fucking xenophobic.
Real fucking white nationalist-y.
So here's the beginning of that.
alex jones
And really, they're just assaulting reality.
And then having U.N. reports out saying, we're going to replace Europe with Muslims and the U.S. We want $600 million brought in in the next 30 years, the U.S. Official U.N. policy, 2001, voted into policy.
I have the printouts from the U.N. right here.
And the ADL says, they're lying in the upcoming U.K. election.
This is a month ago.
And they're saying that there's a thing called replacement migration to get rid of Europeans with Muslims.
They specifically say Middle Eastern Muslims and North African Muslims because they're more compatible with each other.
Oh, they don't want any Christian Africans.
They don't want any animist, which is just nature worship, Gaia stuff.
Because the Muslims kill them.
They go, we're going to have Muslims.
They're the ones that are compatible.
Because there was an Austrian-Hungarian prince who had a whole plan 100 years ago.
He's the guy that invented the modern Olympics to bring in Muslims.
Napoleon converted to Islam and had a plan to bring the Muslims into Europe.
You're like, why would he do that too?
Because there were more Muslims than there were Christians in Europe then, too.
You could take over.
They're one group that acts as one.
But Sacha Baron Cohen, like Napoleon, has already cast the dice.
The ADL now literally is an Islamic organization.
dan friesen
Whatever.
So Alex isn't totally lying.
Inasmuch as the UN did release a report in 2001 called, quote, The problem, as it always is with Alex, is that he doesn't understand what he didn't read.
The executive summary of the document begins by explaining that the report will lay out six possible scenarios they see as possibilities based on the current population trends in France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the Republic of Korea, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
These scenarios were differentiated by computing different levels of migration and how it would affect the countries, specifically in terms of population, and the report is very clear, saying, quote, These are not meant to be recommendations in any way, but illustrations of hypothetical scenarios.
Alex takes all his numbers about UN recommendations for immigrants from Scenario 6, because that's the one where the numbers were the highest.
That was their scenario of how many immigrants would be needed to keep the ratio of people aged 15 to 64, Yeah, I gotcha.
Again, the report is clear about what it is within the text, saying, quote, Readers should keep in mind that the results of Scenario 6 are for illustrative purposes only.
Given the assumption that current age structure of the population would remain unchanged in the future, the resulting large number of migrants needed should be considered totally unrealistic.
It says that in the document.
In the discussion section, it's discussed how unfeasible this scenario is.
Literally saying, quote, this scenario is clearly not realistic.
Therefore, immigration cannot prevent aging of the population.
The conclusion offered in the report is exactly the opposite of what Alex would have you believe.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Also, I would love to see how Alex explains that the number of immigrants needed in scenario six is five times higher for the Republic of Korea than it is for all of Europe.
I thought he was saying that this was all about flooding the West with migrants.
But I bet if he presented it with this sort of rebuttal, he would just say that Korea is the West.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
North Korea is the East, Dan.
South Korea is the West.
Didn't you remember the Korean War?
That's where the Patriots won.
dan friesen
Okay.
Immigration is one part of the report, but it's really about much more.
It has to do with aspects of the question of the changing age distribution in populations.
They bring up issues about how the ratio of worker to retirees is affected by the age of retirement in countries.
The level of labor force participation can change that dynamic.
And how the problems of a higher rate of retirees to workers can be offset by increased contributions from workers into programs designed to help the elderly.
Those sorts of things can solve all sorts of problems on their own.
The report is much, much larger than what Alex presents, but that's because he doesn't care about what the UN is actually doing or studying or looking at.
He just wants you to know that they want to bring in Muslims, and it's because they want to conquer you, and the best way to do that is bringing in Muslims.
This is, on the one hand, a horrible mishandling of his source material.
It shows that he has no grasp nor any interest in the actual issues that he's covering.
The end.
then I don't know what to say about it except to say he's a profound bigot.
He's turning a minority group into a unified block, which only makes his audience fear and hate the individual's They're no longer individuals.
They're mindless parts of a unified bloc that only exists in this country because the UN is using them to conquer you.
That kind of thinking is repulsive, and I really feel like that's a pretty good demonstration of Alex's horrible white identity leanings and xenophobia.
To drive this point home, I read the UN report, and the words Muslim and Islam don't appear anywhere in the text.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course not.
It would be too easy if they did one place.
dan friesen
Alex literally says that they say it.
jordan holmes
See, now that's just to fuck you.
That's just to fuck you to me personally.
dan friesen
Alex is just making stuff up.
jordan holmes
I am so mad that it's not even mentioned.
You don't even have the fucking time to look for one spot where it might be mentioned.
That's just gravy.
dan friesen
Also, the founder of the Modern Olympics is not an Austro-Hungarian prince.
jordan holmes
No, he was not.
dan friesen
It was Pierre de Coubertin, a French historian and philosopher.
So I'm pretty sure Alex is just making shit up that he read on some dumb, dumb white nationalist blog.
jordan holmes
Man, that is unreal.
That is just unreal.
dan friesen
Totally.
And it gets worse.
Because a caller calls in and wants to bring up another pretty xenophobic narrative.
And it's about the death of Kate Steinle, which is the woman who was shot by a bullet that ricocheted, accidentally fired by an undocumented immigrant.
We've talked about that case quite a bit.
And I wouldn't actually even include this clip.
It would be background noise.
If it weren't for how Alex tells this story.
He adds so many details to this story that I've not heard him even report before and are completely made up.
unidentified
I just think that Trump had a chance a long time ago to stop this.
He could have done the Insurgency Act.
He could have stopped these lowlife people.
Look at Kate's family.
That poor woman was shot to death.
And what did they do?
They allowed sanctuary cities.
Those things should have been stopped.
alex jones
Yeah, the illegal alien just wanted to kill her.
Because she was white.
And then the liberals went, well, you're a Mexican who's been deported five times.
You're allowed to murder her.
And then they said he's a victim, and now he's suing the jail where he was held.
She was with her dad.
She just shot her in the back for fun.
unidentified
How does that make you feel in America?
alex jones
Well, I mean, here's my deal.
I don't care if you're brown or white.
You don't want anybody being able to just shoot a young woman in the back for no reason.
unidentified
You're right.
alex jones
And he shot her because she was beautiful.
And if you notice anything, I don't care if a beautiful black woman, brown woman, white woman.
There are a lot of people jealous of beautiful women.
And Kate Steinle was gorgeous.
Beautiful.
And he killed her because he was pissed and jealous and thought that that was her older boyfriend.
It was her dad hugging her.
And they were crying and talking about family members that had just died.
And he saw that and thought he saw a couple together and he murdered her because he was jealous.
dan friesen
This clip is a serious, serious problem.
For one, as we discussed on previous episodes, Kate Steinle's death is a tragic event.
I am not in any way taken away from that, but it was not a murder.
A judge acquitted Jose Inez Garcia Zarate of first-degree murder, second-degree murder, involuntary manslaughter, and even assault with a semi-automatic firearm because it was clear that he did not mean to fire the bullet that ricocheted and then hit Steinle.
He was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm, but that conviction was overturned by the Court of Appeals because the previous jury was not instructed properly about what constitutes being in possession of a gun.
Garcia Zarate found a gun that was wrapped in rags which he picked up, not knowing it was a gun.
In the process, the gun fired.
This is an example of a horrible tragedy, and I have nothing but empathy for the Steinle family and what they've had to go through.
That being said, the way the right-wing media has used this case is indicative of very extreme hostility towards immigrants.
There's no evidence that Garcia Zarate was in possession of the gun, let alone that he intended to shoot a wall, knowing that the bullet would bounce off and hit Steinle.
And yet, this has been the rallying case for xenophobic assholes like Alex and everyone at Infowars, and I think this clip is Alex letting it slip a little bit too much as to why.
The stuff about Garcia Zarate killing Steinle because she was beautiful is completely made up.
The idea that he thought that her father was her older boyfriend and that he couldn't stand the jealousy is absolutely not based on anything real, but it does rely on pretty standard white supremacist tropes about non-white men.
jordan holmes
They're coming for our women.
dan friesen
Exactly.
What Alex is doing in this clip is legitimately no different from pro-segregation propaganda about black men having uncontrollable lust for white women that they would act out violently if not kept in their place.
Without descending too far back onto this riff, Alex is pretending that he's reporting facts, but literally all of this is him talking about his feelings, and his feelings are fucking racist.
He feels like Garcia Zarate killed Steinle because she was beautiful and a white woman, and he was jealous that he couldn't be with her, but all that is is Alex's feelings.
He's making that up because he believes it fits with the internalized racist narratives that fill his head.
unidentified
That he's presenting it to his audience as fact.
He's presenting this as truth, and it is not.
jordan holmes
I mean, if that was anybody with even a little bit more power, that's clear lawsuit.
dan friesen
That's clear.
jordan holmes
That's not even a little bit.
dan friesen
I was thinking about that possibility.
jordan holmes
They're absolutely going after him because he doesn't have the means or ability to go after them.
dan friesen
Put power aside, I think he still might have a case.
jordan holmes
Oh no, he absolutely does.
That's what I'm saying.
No, they know, or at least he should by now, that that is clearly actionable legally.
But boy, it's a good target if you recognize how much money it costs to do anything in the judicial system.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because there's no way that that's not...
He just told this bullshit story.
About this guy.
Turning him into the fucking raving, lunatic immigrant who can't control himself around the beautiful white woman.
dan friesen
His lust transformed to murder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no way that's not defamation.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree.
jordan holmes
There's no way.
dan friesen
That's my sense of it, again, not as a lawyer.
jordan holmes
And it's malicious.
dan friesen
It is very malicious.
jordan holmes
And he knows it's not true.
dan friesen
He has every reason to know it's not true.
jordan holmes
That's just fucked up.
That's just fucked up.
That dude deserves all of Alex's money.
dan friesen
I've never heard that version of this told.
And the way Alex is telling it is so full of feeling.
As opposed to all the stuff we heard on the previous day where it's just rote going through the motions of...
This is the globalist plan.
jordan holmes
He feels that.
dan friesen
He feels that this person was lusting for Kate Steinle and had to kill her.
jordan holmes
That's so much the fucking...
dan friesen
It's the difference between a script and just sort of like, this is what we do and this is what I love.
jordan holmes
And that's just so much that fucking Jim Crow era.
We have to do this, and here's why.
Because imagine your daughter being around a black man.
dan friesen
It has the same flavor.
jordan holmes
You don't want that to happen.
dan friesen
It relies on that tradition very heavily.
And I don't believe that Alex isn't in some way aware that that's what he's doing.
So Alex gets to...
I mean, this clip I just kept in, maybe as a palate cleanser, because it's another one of these indications we see over and over again of just like...
Such fake passion.
alex jones
It's dangerous to go out to these people, but it's more dangerous not to.
unidentified
The battle is joined!
alex jones
You can feel the energy!
You can feel the fight!
jordan holmes
Stand up now!
dan friesen
I mean, that's completely fake, but it does seem like he's enjoying that.
I think he likes those yelling.
jordan holmes
He's getting a little charge out of just faking it.
dan friesen
Yeah, in the same way as over the saxophone.
He belonged to the city earlier.
It's that same thing.
He really only seems to have a good time when he's being a racist and when he's yelling in and out of breaks.
That's it.
That's all he's got.
jordan holmes
The only times he has a good time are when he's singing, drinking, and being a racist.
Now that's a good Texan, my friend.
dan friesen
I suppose.
Hey, don't say that.
jordan holmes
I know.
I know.
dan friesen
There's a lot of great Texans out there.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
I'm just kidding.
Hey, do you know what I don't do?
Assume that every single Texan is exactly the same and functions as one single block, and that's why we have no problem with the UN killing them.
dan friesen
Good on you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I'm very brave.
dan friesen
So Alex gets a call on this episode from a guy named Ranger.
jordan holmes
Disbelieve?
dan friesen
He was on a boat at one point.
jordan holmes
Doing his Scottish accent.
dan friesen
He had to deal with some pirates.
And unlike Alex, he did not give it up to these pirates.
unidentified
He didn't?
dan friesen
No.
This is interesting because I think he's trying to sort of tell a metaphor about what Trump needs to do in the country.
unidentified
So I used to do private security.
We were working on a boat one time, a large vessel that was actually, pirates came on board.
They actually got on board.
Usually it's not a big concern.
We generally don't have boats that will move fast enough.
But when that did happen, the captain put the boat on lockdown.
Everybody went to their cabins and locked the doors.
We went room to room, you know, clearing the boat out.
Well, maybe it's time that the president looks at putting the country on lockdown.
alex jones
That is the perfect analogy.
dan friesen
I can't imagine thinking, like, listening to Alex's show and imagining a scenario where...
A caller would call in and say, hey, you know what?
I think the executive needs to unilaterally put the country into a strict lockdown, much like you have pirates on a boat and you've got to clear it door to door.
How could you even possibly conceive that that would be an acceptable line of conversation on the show?
It's so far afield of what he pretends to be about or pretended to be about.
It's almost unthinkable.
jordan holmes
That is genuinely...
I mean...
That's genuinely everything that you've ever fought against.
That's everything.
That's literally part of the fucking goddamn Constitution is that they can't force us to house and quarter people.
That's the basic function of the idea.
The whole fucking country started because somebody did that.
dan friesen
Well, there's a lot of reasons.
Don't fall into the same trap as Alex with the Second Amendment is the only reason.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I'm saying that...
Their functional idea is always that the Constitution and the Revolutionary War is amazing, and literally they're doing stuff that the Founding Fathers were like, let's make sure this never happens.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
No, they are very stupid.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't just say that's a great analogy.
He doubles down.
alex jones
That is the perfect allegory.
The globalists are pirates.
They're not Americans.
They're not following the law.
They admit they want to overthrow the will of the people.
Pelosi, Nadler, they've all said, oh, we're afraid he's going to get reelected.
They've admitted their crime.
It is a coup.
It's like clearing pirates.
We've got to do it because they're going to only escalate when we kick their ass this time.
So when we come back, I'm going to give you two minutes to make your statement again on that incompletion.
dan friesen
Alex wants to record it to put out as its own standalone video.
This guy calling in and saying that Trump needs to clear the ship from pirates.
He does not do a good job of it when they come back.
He doesn't get a clean take.
jordan holmes
Does he also play a clip from him, say 2015-ish, saying that the president is a dictator and a tyrant who is trying to lock people down and go door-to-door taking their guns?
Does he put those two back to back and show that he's ideologically fine?
dan friesen
No.
He doesn't have time for self-examination.
The fight against the globalists is too strong.
It takes too much time.
jordan holmes
I mean, he said that.
He said that Obama was going to go door to door, make everybody stay inside, and he would grab their guns, and by doing that, he was a tyrant.
dan friesen
Right, right.
He's just going to take the globalists' guns, though, in this case.
jordan holmes
Oh, I didn't realize that.
dan friesen
Chuck's just going to take the globalists' guns.
jordan holmes
Man, man.
dan friesen
And you can tell the globalists because they're demon-possessed and you see it in their eyes.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Cool.
Anyway, Alex, you know, he doesn't get the clean take he's looking for, but he does offer the exact excuse you would expect from a crypto-fascist for why you need to enact fascism.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
We just had a caller, who just joined us, who laid it all out, how he did security on a ship that actually got boarded by pirates, and what the captain did in that emergency.
I don't want martial law.
I don't want civil war.
The globalists are putting us into the national emergency.
dan friesen
They made us do it.
I don't want martial law.
unidentified
I don't want martial law, but they forced my hand.
dan friesen
Such stupid shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, my operating theory is that these guys would rather destroy America than share it with non-white people.
dan friesen
I mean, who would have thought?
Who would have thought that a group...
That for decades has been primarily anti-government.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of a sudden, we are super into this government.
jordan holmes
The most government.
We would like the most government.
We would like it to crack down on us.
When I say us...
dan friesen
It makes you think that maybe, just maybe, they're still anti-government.
And anti-you and I. Oh, man.
So, Christianity Today.
jordan holmes
Right, yes, yes.
dan friesen
The publication came out in support of removing Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And this has caused a little bit of a...
I mean, it's not a crisis, but Alex now hates Christianity Today.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
That wasn't hard.
It was a real short walk to get there.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so does this caller.
Actually, Alex might not have brought it up at all if this caller didn't bring it to the table.
But I would say this is a bad look, the way they're covering this story.
unidentified
Okay, Alex, I have some massive breaking news.
It's been coming out that Trump has had a love child with one of his closest friends and teammates, and that he was worried about that coming out, and he actually had him killed.
Of course I'm joking.
alex jones
Okay.
unidentified
But hear me out.
As much as a shock as that was to hear that...
And I'm sure everybody was shocked by it.
That's what King David did.
And I'm calling out Christians today because Christians will wave the flag of Christianity.
And I'm a Christian, by the way.
But Christians will say that David was a man after God's own heart.
But I see the hypocrisy that's happening now against Christians that are not standing with their president, with their leaders.
Whether you like him or not, the Bible says that we're to pray for our leaders, if you like him or not.
And today, top of drudge, Christianity today comes out calling for the removal of Donald Trump, saying that he should be out of there.
I think that's completely disgusting.
dan friesen
Whether you like him or not, you pray for your leaders unless his name is Barack Obama.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, hey.
Hey, Dan, Dan.
Whether you like him or not, you just, you know.
dan friesen
Whether you like him or not, you pray for him unless they're Democrats.
Look, dude, this is such bullshit.
I think this is really dumb for a number of reasons.
The first is that David repented.
And that's a big part of the story.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
But this is just shit.
Such dumb dumb shit.
But it's so indicative of like, hey, you know what?
Last week these people fucking loved Christianity today.
jordan holmes
Nothing means anything.
dan friesen
You do the one thing that you cannot do, and that is disagree with the leader.
jordan holmes
Criticize the leader.
dan friesen
You are now devils.
jordan holmes
That's bananas.
dan friesen
You take that step, you're gone.
jordan holmes
It's very much like...
You know what?
I'm starting to think a lot of these Christian people don't really particularly care about what's in the Bible.
dan friesen
Doesn't feel that way.
jordan holmes
I think they just want to use that book to justify the things they already wanted to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, he's been saying throughout this December 20th episode that the Supreme Court has ruled that Nancy Pelosi can't do what she's doing by withholding the impeachment indictment going to the Senate.
Sure.
unidentified
I had no idea what he was talking about.
dan friesen
I was waiting for him to get to it because he never did until quite a bit down the line.
And he folds that in with his ideas about like, hey, the public's so dumb, they think impeachment is conviction.
Sure.
unidentified
And all of that.
dan friesen
I don't think they do, though.
I think in the same way you could do a man on the street video.
Sure.
I bet...
A higher percentage than we would like to think do think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, naturally.
But I would also bet that they're low engaged with the news kind of thing.
Very likely.
Not like stupid.
dan friesen
Very likely.
But I don't particularly care about them as people.
In terms of that input, that's not something I would respond to that sort of thing by saying yes, education needs to be better.
That's about it.
That's the only take I have on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But Alex has other feelings.
He thinks, I don't really know.
This is dumb.
alex jones
I research.
I'm somewhat informed.
So are you.
And so you think, oh, everybody knows the House is just an impeachment.
That's just an indictment.
But no, large portions of Americans in major polls got articles up on Infowars.com.
People in questionnaires on the street believe he's been removed.
They believe he's been convicted.
Well, the Supreme Court ruled years ago, multiple times, That you can't do what Pelosi did in a congressional process between the House and Senate.
They can't demand rules be changed or they won't follow the constitutional procedure of holding up the impeachment.
But they don't care because it's a ruthless power grab like everything else these criminals do.
Supreme Court ruling knocks down Pelosi's impeachment demands.
The framers did not intend to impose additional limitations on the form of the Senate proceedings the Supreme Court stated in Nixon v.
United States.
And they go through the fact that you cannot have the House telling the Senate what they can do.
And the Supreme Court ruled in that in a federal judge's impeachment.
And it goes through it.
The Supreme Court...
I'm not going to read the whole article, but people need to see this.
You need to read this.
dan friesen
Go ahead and read it.
Go ahead and read it.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to read the whole article.
An Alex Jones story.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex's argument that Nancy Pelosi cannot hold up delivering the impeachment to the Senate is based on a flawed reading of the 1993 Supreme Court decision, Nixon versus the United States.
The quote, Quote, the framers did not intend to impose additional limitations on the form of the Senate proceedings.
Alex read it there.
It's sort of the cornerstone of the article on Infowars.
Out of context, that kind of appears to be saying that the Senate gets to decide everything.
But really, in regards to this specific complaint being heard, it doesn't really...
jordan holmes
What is it with you in this context?
It's always like, oh, you should understand things within the context in which they were said.
And then there's the time period.
That's also context.
Dan, there's so much context.
What if instead I told you you could believe whatever you wanted to believe?
dan friesen
Sounds fun.
In this case, a judge named Walter Nixon, who'd been impeached, sued to have his salary reinstated because he believed that the Senate Rule 11 had been broken by how the Senate carried itself out in the impeachment process.
His argument was rejected, and the Supreme Court held that the framers really were only requiring that the senators be under oath.
That two-thirds vote for conviction to pass and that the chief justice presided over the case when it's the president being impeached.
That's not required in other impeachments, just in cases of presidential impeachment.
jordan holmes
It's so funny that a judge who was impeached came up with a flawed legal argument.
dan friesen
Other than these three things, the framers did not intend to impose additional limitations on the form of the Senate proceedings.
This legitimately has nothing to do with how an impeachment indictment is transferred from the House to the Senate.
If there were any actual case laws surrounding this, I would assume Alex wouldn't come up with this completely unrelated case as a smoking gun.
Really, it's too bad that Barnes isn't still around to ramble about lies and libels.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
This time.
Just when you need a constitutional lawyer.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're scarce.
jordan holmes
Because it's literally like you can make your own fucking rules.
That's the whole point.
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Ugh.
dan friesen
So, I'm going to skip these next couple clips because they're just Alex rambling about how this whole plan is to get Hillary as president.
We kind of got it.
We get that that's his idea.
jordan holmes
If anybody actually, like if we ever got into that situation where Hillary was somehow tried to sneak in for 2020.
dan friesen
I think you get a sharp backlash from the left.
jordan holmes
No, I think that would be the one thing that causes an actual third party to happen.
Is everybody on the left just being like, we got it now.
Fuck.
dan friesen
You'd like to think that that's what...
jordan holmes
Fuck the Democrats.
dan friesen
You'd like to think that's what would happen, and, you know, it's a nice thought.
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't.
But I think that you would have a complete breakdown on the left from that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
Saying nothing of what the right's response would be.
Just within the left, you'd have...
jordan holmes
Oh, no, it'd be like...
dan friesen
A severe dis...
Disinterest?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Honestly, that might be the first time that I mean it whenever I say, if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2020, I'm moving.
Because there's no point.
dan friesen
Oh, eat my hat.
jordan holmes
Nothing matters.
dan friesen
So Alex goes back to the phones, and he takes a caller who, as all of these callers are, does a long, long plug for his products.
And then Alex has a string of lies.
unidentified
Support this, man.
You heard what Chase said.
Everything that he exposed.
Nobody knew about Bohemian Grove.
Nobody knew about Epstein.
Nobody knew about Bilderberg.
owl killer in virginia
Nobody called 9-11 before it happened in July 2001.
unidentified
Go look it up yourself.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
It wasn't Alex.
It was the caller who has the string of lies.
All of those things are not true of Alex.
Some of them are just not true.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Like the Bohemian Grove was covered and reported on prior to Alex.
Some of those other things, those are not true of Alex either.
They're true of Bill Cooper.
They are true of the person whose legacy Alex is carrying upon himself.
jordan holmes
Burning.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a really interesting dynamic.
I'm interested in looking more into that in the future, but it's very interesting.
jordan holmes
I assume Bill Cooper's dead, right?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
We went over this.
We talked about it.
He got killed in a shootout with the police because he wouldn't pay his taxes.
jordan holmes
Right, yes.
The most honest way for a man like that to go, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah, I hate it, but it's exactly the end that he always said would come.
jordan holmes
You've got to give him that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
You're very close to Smalley Pirates territory.
jordan holmes
You've got to give him up to.
dan friesen
I refuse to give it up for that.
So Alex, you know, he's talking a little bit more about the Christianity Today thing.
And he sees it as quite a betrayal.
And like I said already, you turn on Trump and you are now the devil.
You see that here in this next clip.
alex jones
A lot of great people are evangelicals at the grassroots, the best people.
But the leadership, Christianity Today...
Billy Graham's son supports Trump.
Christianity Today is not run by them.
These are globalists saying Trump's bad.
That is devilish.
You judge a tree by the fruits.
Trump's going after abortion.
Trump's standing up to the pedophiles.
Trump's defending Christians' rights.
And they're attacking it.
Christianity Today is a den of devils.
By their works, you shall know them!
dan friesen
So, I mean, you just, if you fall out of step, you're a devil.
It's like a definition of Christianity is supporting Trump now, according to Alex, which is a merging of religious and political ideas, which is like, we've already had such leanings of authoritarian, dictator-y kind of feelings for Alex, and now we are merging that theocratic idea pretty hard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because, you know, if they remove Trump...
You know, and got him out of office, then, you know, the next, the vice president, of course, would be, I don't know, in real den of hell, kind of hiding in the bushes, screwing around.
Oh, no, it's Mike fucking Pence.
dan friesen
You might, you might.
jordan holmes
Christianity will be fine.
dan friesen
You might think that Christianity today is more of the mind that...
Trump has done the damage he can do to a lot of institutions and such, and Mike Pence is a pretty good option for us evangelicals.
Maybe it's time to cut bait on the bull in a china shop and go with a more steady hand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's very simple.
dan friesen
That would be a good strategic decision if you're a zealous political Christian.
jordan holmes
And it's not like Mike Pence is going to suddenly not go after abortion folk and all that shit.
dan friesen
All those things that Alex seems to pretend is his priority.
jordan holmes
Everything that he just said, Mike Pence would do, if not as well, twice as hard.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip, and Alex is talking to a caller, and this caller has a horrible...
unidentified
Horrible position and Alex loves it Brother,
alex jones
I love that passion because you're not lying down, you're awake, and you're not just screaming and yelling and saying racist, racist, or mindless programming points.
You're saying Eloquent focus points about what's happening and about action.
dan friesen
You're not saying program points.
You kind of are, just they're mine.
They're my programming talking points.
So I love that passion.
I love that you're excited about the bullshit I've gotten you down the line of.
And that caller is getting the message.
That's one of the things that you really see if you look at these callers.
Look at the callers that we've had on this show.
We have this guy who's internalized the message of Trump should be a dictator that Alex clearly puts out whether he expresses it that way or not.
You had the caller who called in about Kate Steinle who's expressing this xenophobic anti-immigrant position that Alex has very clearly fostered in his audience.
You got the guy calling in who's a Scottish comedian and Alex clearly wants people who are...
Minor viral stars that he can try and exploit.
You get that, too.
And then you've got the guy who calls in who's like, when is it time to start shooting people?
Just something is a question that Alex's audience would clearly have based on his coverage of things.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
I imagine that's the only thing that, or I imagine that every show they think about that.
dan friesen
You know, you don't have callers calling in really having robust conversations about?
jordan holmes
How do we ensure the peaceful transition of government throughout not just this election, but all elections to come, assuming that we continue to be a democratic nation?
dan friesen
I didn't hear that come up.
jordan holmes
You didn't hear that one come up?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
No.
So...
I mean, I think at the end of this episode, you got, like, a real problem.
And it's the same problem, and it's growing.
I don't mean this to say, like, something bad's gonna happen, because I think it's entirely possible it won't.
I don't know if Alex's callers are real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's one issue.
jordan holmes
There is one problem there.
dan friesen
I can't prove that either way.
So I would never make the claim that these are all fake callers.
But a lot of radio shows do use plants.
So that's within the realm of possibility.
And that would make me less scared.
Because there's an entire possibility that Alex has a minuscule audience by this point.
Whatever.
Either way, what he's putting out into the world is incredibly toxic and dangerous.
And I do think that as he is irrelevant to a lot of the larger conversation in the world, that is definitely true.
But this show is getting more extreme.
The things that are being much more openly discussed are the things that are really, really fucked up.
The overt white nationalism that is expressed through his retelling of a fake version of Kate Steinle's murder is insanely unacceptable.
jordan holmes
And without doubt legally actionable.
dan friesen
The way that he expresses this...
His misreading of this 2001 UN population study into being all Muslims act as one is incredibly dangerous.
Not to minimize it, because I think it is very serious.
It's kind of fairly standard for him.
Maybe that one's not as much of an escalation, but it still deserves to be taken seriously.
jordan holmes
We're so inured with anti-Islam or Islamophobia and anti-Islam for fervor.
dan friesen
It's hard to tell when it's escalating.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But the open discussion of violence, the open discussion of when is the time to kill people, who should we be targeting, those conversations are starting to happen on his show a bit more than I recall.
So that is my big point.
It's worth noting that.
unidentified
Those guys probably work somewhere.
They have a job where other people work with them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And those people have no idea that sitting next to them is...
dan friesen
Or maybe they do.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
I'm just like...
dan friesen
I'm sure they tried to sell them Brain Force at some point.
jordan holmes
Well, that's probably fair.
dan friesen
I don't think a lot of people who are Alex Jones fans aren't open about it.
Right.
unidentified
That's fair.
dan friesen
You'll know them by their shirts.
But that might not be true either.
I don't know.
Maybe there's a lot of crypto info warriors.
I have no idea.
I just think, like, I don't know, it's really hard for me to put a button on this, but I'm trying to express that this is escalating.
The tone and what is okay to talk about on the show, whether or not that's because Alex is allowing those conversations more, or the audience is picking up on these things, but you also do notice that a lot of these things that are the worst...
Are the product of his callers bringing stuff up.
Alex is terrible on his own.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying that he's off the hook.
But the parts of this episode that I think are the most fucked up are things that the callers have brought into the conversation.
jordan holmes
Without question.
dan friesen
And to me, that indicates the audience is responding to things that are on the show and being like, well, this is what's going on.
Let's talk about it.
And that's really bad.
That, to me, is a really bad sign.
Because if Alex's audience is diminishing, what is he going to do?
What's the business decision?
Follow your audience.
You don't lead the audience anymore.
You can't afford to.
jordan holmes
Also, if you're in a Civil War scenario, you want to be at the back.
Let them go front.
I don't know.
I want to eulogize Godwin's Law.
I really think that it was a valuable law for internet discourse early on.
And now...
It's dead because it only functions if both parties are not actually Nazis.
When one party is just like, yeah, we're Nazis, then I guess it's not valuable anymore.
Game over.
dan friesen
I don't know what I think outside of as this process rolls along, as the impeachment trial happens.
I just expect that trend to continue, but I don't know if it's impotent.
I don't know how scared anybody should be about Alex putting this out into the world.
I mean, obviously he shouldn't do this, but I don't know.
I don't want to be alarmist and I don't want to scare people because I think ultimately maybe no one's listening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not even that worried about what happens there.
It's only because the only way that Trump is going to be removed from office is if he keeps talking.
I mean, it's pretty clear that he's the only one who's going to incriminate himself past the point of them defending him.
No matter what evidence brings forth, the Republican Party is going to defend him.
The only person who's going to make it impossible not to remove him from office is him.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
jordan holmes
Then all these fears of like, oh, when they remove him, when they get rid of it, are all going to deflate so hard, right?
After the trial is over and Trump isn't removed, doesn't that fear have to deflate at least a little bit?
dan friesen
Not really.
Because what's going to happen, at least based on my understanding of things that have been said, like the House is going to continue other investigations, things like that.
So there's going to be stories that are coming out about that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Maybe something about the Trump Foundation or his businesses.
And that, because of the framing that Alex has used, will be...
Even though Trump is going to win in the Senate, these are the attempts to still remove him.
So the prophecy is still validated, even if the end conclusion is him not being convicted in the Senate.
There will be the kernels of reality of his narratives still made manifest in the world.
So I think that even though the inevitable conclusion of him probably never...
Even though that is still this end goal, along the way, there's still the validation that goes along with it.
And then, once the Senate trial concludes, we were just too strong for the Globus, we stopped them from being able to play their tricks.
So no, there isn't a need for a deflation.
There never is.
jordan holmes
I just don't know how long that this media environment can continue to redline people.
I just don't know how long...
Trump and Fox News and Alex and all of these guys.
Because they're always redlining people.
They're always getting people as close as possible to the most...
Every morning on Fox and Friends, they're coming to kill Trump or whatever it is.
You're always redlined.
And I just don't know how long you can redline people for before the pistons explode or the car runs out of gas.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't have an answer to that question.
Anyway, we'll see what happens, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fighting at gotobedjordan.
dan friesen
We are also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We're on Facebook, and we are on iTunes and other podcastual apps.
Please download, leave a review, et cetera.
dan friesen
That's right.
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I am the juiciest ice cube.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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