Today, Dan and Jordan check in on the present day to see if Alex Jones has gotten around to doing that in-studio surgery, and to see if he has any response to the recent release of the InfoWars depositions. Also, the gents learn about shocking voter fraud theories and Alex's take on cannibalism.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| I love you. | ||
| word knowledge fight knowledge fight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
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I'm Dan. | |
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Tis the reason for the Xmas season. | ||
| What, Dan, pray tell, is your favorite Christmas treat? | ||
| Favorite Christmas treat? | ||
| I like peppermint bark. | ||
| Peppermint bark? | ||
| I think we've talked about this before. | ||
| I've been roundly attacked for this. | ||
| I don't care to... | ||
| I don't want to hear the bullshit. | ||
| I like peppermint bark. | ||
| Everyone can go fly a kite. | ||
| You know what, interestingly? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Candy canes. | ||
| I hate candy canes, love peppermint bark. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Is it a texture thing? | ||
| Partially, maybe. | ||
| You just don't like the licking on the candy cane. | ||
| I don't like hard candies, generally, as a whole. | ||
| I think it's the combination of the chocolate and the peppermint as, like, texture, and then also the flavor. | ||
| Like, it's much better. | ||
| The richness of dark chocolate. | ||
| The peppermint comes together in a very nice... | ||
| It's dark chocolate peppermint bark? | ||
| That's your stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a much better flavor combo. | ||
| I always think of the white chocolate stuff just because I assume that peppermint makes everything white. | ||
| They generally have the dark and white. | ||
| Peppermint is the KKK of the Christmas treats. | ||
| See, I don't like all these attacks on my beloved peppermint bark. | ||
| I'm not attacking it. | ||
| My mom always used to make also egg white cookies, the little meringue cookies. | ||
| Oh yeah, I've never had one of those. | ||
| I like those quite a bit too, but I don't really know how to describe it. | ||
| I would describe them, and this is an audio medium. | ||
| But those would be nice. | ||
| I don't know if those are traditionally Christmas, but I associate them with that. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Any kind of homemade cookie, if it's a Christmas treat, or if it's on Christmas. | ||
| I hate gingerbread in all its varieties. | ||
| Gingerbread's gross. | ||
| It's just there for building. | ||
| We can agree on that. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Peppermint Bark, and I'm a little bit bitter about it, apparently. | ||
| Very defensive. | ||
| Yeah, and I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I know a lot about your defensiveness, but not a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode. | ||
| We're going to be going over December 13th to 16th, 2019. | ||
| All right, okay. | ||
| And I'm excited to get to that. | ||
| But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
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| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Austin. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Austin. | ||
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| And I've got to get a little bit defensive, too. | ||
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Okay. | |
| About myself. | ||
| About yourself? | ||
| Why? | ||
| I need to stop trying to make jokes at the beginning of those episodes. | ||
| The last two times we've been on there, I've tried to open with a joke and it has fallen flat and I look like a fucking asshole. | ||
| It takes you a little bit to get revved up into the flow of things. | ||
| I think you crushed it. | ||
| I think you crushed it immediately following that terrible opening. | ||
| On the Mike Adams episode, I made a joke about us being... | ||
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The first repeat guest that was obviously supposed to be a joke that just died. | |
| We just stared at you. | ||
| Just stared at you. | ||
| There was five minutes of stunned silence. | ||
| And in this episode, I tried to make a joke about how Chicago is a big city. | ||
| You can have anybody as a guest, but you chose us. | ||
| I look like a goddamn narcissist. | ||
| I was trying to lead into saying, like, you could have had Rahm Emanuel on. | ||
| You could have had somebody with particularly weird views on food. | ||
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Something like some guy who's a deep dish pizza enthusiast. | |
| Could have been anybody. | ||
| Mad about ketchup on hot dogs. | ||
| Could have had any guest. | ||
| No jokes for me. | ||
| No jokes. | ||
| Despite that, I really appreciate it. | ||
| It's a huge thank you to Robert and a huge apology. | ||
| For me trying to be funny. | ||
| Cut that the fuck out. | ||
| Hey, that's my main issue. | ||
| I have a huge problem trying to be funny. | ||
| So, Jordan, like I said, we're doing December 13th to 16th today, and I realize that it's been a little while since we've had an Out of Context drop on the show. | ||
| Oh, it has, yeah! | ||
| So here's a nice Out of Context drop from today's show. | ||
| Have yourself a merry, merry Christmas from InfoWars. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| That's like a... | ||
| That's a card you get in the mail right there. | ||
| That makes me feel great. | ||
| That's one of the cards you open up and it starts playing that song for you. | ||
| That's audio peppermint bark for me. | ||
| Man, I think that's a curse to get a Merry Christmas from Infowars. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| So, the last we checked in on the present day stuff, we had a situation where Alex was really going hard on this. | ||
| They're microchipping homeless folks. | ||
| And I'm going to cut a chip out of somebody on air. | ||
| Ripping chips out of people's... | ||
| Fucking bodies. | ||
| We're sorting out the HIPAA forms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Otherwise, we got this set up. | ||
| Everyone's going to love it. | ||
| That's dropped. | ||
| Never spoken of again. | ||
| I don't believe so. | ||
| Oh, that sounds right. | ||
| Because Owen Schroer interrupted the impeachment inquiry. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And made a big deal out of it. | ||
| And that got distracted Alex. | ||
| And now he does not care about people experiencing homelessness in Austin. | ||
| Does not care about microchipping. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| So Thursday... | ||
| Waiting for him to say he can't afford a scalpel anymore. | ||
| We would. | ||
| We'd love to, but we just can't use a razor blade. | ||
| Literally just can't afford the HIPAA forms. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
| So Thursday was the day that those depositions dropped of Alex, Paul Joseph Watson, and Rob Dew. | ||
| And so we went over that on Monday's episode, and I figured, like, let's see if there's any kind of a weird response to that. | ||
| Because Alex is pretty responsive to news about himself. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So I decided to jump in on Friday. | ||
| And one of the things that I found was that Alex was not hosting on Friday. | ||
| Not a surprise. | ||
| But he recorded a little introduction for the show that sounds like he's speaking from inside a Nalgene bottle. | ||
| It is Friday the 13th, 2019. | ||
| I am your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| This is going to be a very informative and very important transmission. | ||
| Tom Pappert is going to be steering the ship. | ||
| Those two things cannot exist in the same space. | ||
| An important, informative show hosted by Tom Pappert is a contradiction in terms. | ||
| So, I did not listen to that episode. | ||
| I do not care what Tom Pappert brings to the table. | ||
| So we jump to Sunday. | ||
| What would that be? | ||
| The 15th. | ||
| Sunday the 15th. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex will be back. | ||
| He'll be talking about stuff. | ||
| We're just taking a day. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Oh, and Troyer's hosting. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So we've got to go to the 16th. | ||
| Alex is in a... | ||
| It's really easy to cover everything up to the... | ||
| If we're covering the 13th through the 16th, we've really gotten through the 13th through the 15th quick. | ||
| Just 10 minutes of the episode, we're on to the last day of our coverage. | ||
| This will be a 45-minute episode. | ||
| Alex is in studio on the 16th, and he starts off on a really weird note. | ||
| I'm going to jail! | ||
| I'm going to give you this up front, maybe by way of an apology, maybe by way of an explanation. | ||
| Some of the way I'm going to cover this episode is heavily informed by Alex's deposition and a lot of the other stuff in those depositions that we covered on Monday's show. | ||
| I figured we now understand a way that Alex defends his broadcast. | ||
| It's all about his feelings! | ||
| It's about his feelings! | ||
| It's about his feelings! | ||
| Blurring the line of what's fact and what's opinion. | ||
| I don't think there is a line and neither of them exist anymore. | ||
| As an exercise, to an extent, I am going to frame a lot of my response in terms of asking these questions and looking at this as, is this his feelings? | ||
| That might get a little bit tired throughout the course. | ||
| I might sound like a broken record at times. | ||
| Warning, only listen to the first half of whatever. | ||
| So Alex is a bit fucked up at the beginning of this show. | ||
| Trump's demanding action, but I have a gut feeling things have changed now. | ||
| The globalists had a deal to back off. | ||
| They haven't backed off. | ||
| And because of this impeachment, that behind-the-scenes deal of detente is... | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| So he's talking about the fact that impeachment is proceeding. | ||
| It's keeping on going forward. | ||
| And that's a really interesting clip to listen to in the aftermath of the deposition in that Sandy Hook lawsuit. | ||
| There's a bunch of little things that Alex says that make what he's saying mean literally nothing. | ||
| But the intended impact of his words based on the context of his show in the recent weeks is anything but meaningless. | ||
| The first point is Alex says that he has, quote, a gut feeling that things have changed now. | ||
| Granted, we know that he's said approximately 10,000 times that his gut is literally never wrong and he has literal psychic powers, but at the end of the day, all he's doing here is expressing his feelings. | ||
| He has a gut feeling. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Nothing actually has changed. | ||
| He has no proof that anything has changed. | ||
| It's just a feeling he has that things have changed. | ||
| From there, Alex jumps to talking about an imaginary behind-the-scenes deal that the globalists had to back off, which they're not honoring. | ||
| This is not a feeling. | ||
| This is something Alex is directly asserting as a fact. | ||
| The globalists had a deal in place to back down. | ||
| They are not backing down, so detente is over. | ||
| This behind-the-scenes deal isn't real, but the claim Alex is making involves a real imaginary thing. | ||
| Now, to further complicate things, Alex is using his feelings, namely that something has changed, to assert that this imaginary deal is not being held up by the Globos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, the reason why this is so particularly upsetting in this case is because for the last week or so, we've heard Alex very, very consistently work himself into a frenzy, particularly at the end of his shows, to the point where he declares that if the globalists don't back off, it might be time to start killing people. | ||
| He's not directly saying that the time has come here at the beginning of this episode, but if you're a regular listener of Alex's program, I think you'd be able to put two and two together. | ||
| He's established that if the globalists don't back down, there's going to be justified violence done against them. | ||
| And now here, he's opening his Monday show by explicitly announcing that there's an imaginary behind-the-scenes deal for the globalists to back off, which they have broken, and detente is over. | ||
| The proof that his imaginary deal has been broken is just his gut feelings. | ||
| I don't think that Alex's listeners will hear that as a call that the time for killing has come, and then they'll start shooting people. | ||
| Nor do I really think that that's how Alex meant any of this. | ||
| I just think that because he's so reliant on made-up shit and reporting things based on his feelings, sometimes he has literally no idea how the things he's saying play into the larger context of his work. | ||
| And that is dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, that makes... | ||
| Yeah, no, he's not even tying together the fact that if the deal is broken, which he's already said, we have to start killing people, and then he's later saying the deal has been broken. | ||
| Yeah, based on his feelings. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he thinks that's just a regular... | ||
| Yeah, sometimes the deal is broken, we're going to move on and go to the next thing. | ||
| He doesn't realize that a week ago it was like, and now we burn everybody to the ground! | ||
| He doesn't realize the trail he's laid for, like... | ||
| It's a complete picture. | ||
| I don't think it's leading to the worst case scenario. | ||
| But if it did, I think it's an open and shut case. | ||
| That he is inspiring people towards a certain outcome. | ||
| Yeah, it does feel like he doesn't think reality is serialized. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| He thinks every episode is a completely independent thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not realizing that it's talking about an ongoing reality. | ||
| But I also think it's so indicative of the fact that he doesn't believe anything he's saying. | ||
| He doesn't think there's consequences to this because none of it's real to him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's all nonsense and he has to be stupid to believe this shit. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's fair. | ||
| I feel like that is the case, but... | ||
| Well, that's how you feel. | ||
| So Alex does not really talk at all about the depositions. | ||
| He doesn't even address them as being public. | ||
| He doesn't care at all. | ||
| He does care, though, about the UK election, of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he talks a little bit about that. | ||
| And he... | ||
| Wants to weave this in with narratives he has about the United States 2016 election, primarily about how the media was saying that it was likely that Hillary was going to win. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And apparently Alex believed that the media was saying that labor was inevitably going to win in the UK election. | |
| Oh, no, they were not saying that. | ||
| Well, that's not what Alex says. | ||
| This election. | ||
| And all the media trying to deny that the conservatives are going to win and trying to fix the polls, just like they did three years ago for Hillary Clinton, but still it didn't work. | ||
| Didn't convince people to say, oh, well, suddenly the liberals are ahead. | ||
| I'll vote for them to feel like I'm a winner. | ||
| The propaganda didn't work. | ||
| The real polls showed the conservatives 15, 20 points ahead, and the conservatives won by a whopping 20-plus point lead. | ||
| Meaning they have a majority wide in the parliament. | ||
| So I don't know of anybody who votes based on who they think is going to win. | ||
| What Alex is expressing here seems to be a fundamental disconnect from how humans think. | ||
| It seems like he believes that the media reporting that, for example, Hillary Clinton was going to win, that would drive more people to vote for Hillary who were previously uninclined to do so. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| And I would argue, if anything, media coverage of Hillary being in the lead would only serve to galvanize the opposition to work harder, thereby increasing their likelihood of turning out more voters. | ||
| I don't believe that a person who prefers Republican policies is going to hear that the Democratic candidate is leading in the polls and is the likely winner, then they're going to go out and vote for the Democratic because they want to feel like they're on the winning team. | ||
| What sense is there to being on the winning team when that team is opposed to the things you want in society? | ||
| Yeah, I think, I mean, this isn't like Durant signing with Golden State, you know? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not like he's joining them. | ||
| I want a ring. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| No, at the end of it, he gets a ring because he wants a ring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, not, yeah, this is wild. | ||
| If Alex has any studies to cite to back up this trend in voter behavior, I'd be happy to take a look at them. | ||
| But it seems like this is more him talking about his feelings. | ||
| He desperately wants to be on the winning team and assumes that everyone else would sell out as hard as he has to Trump in order to make that happen. | ||
| I think this is just about himself. | ||
| Like, people don't operate that way. | ||
| At least none that I have ever met or know. | ||
| No, there is something far more illuminating now that he's admitted that the show is basically him talking about his feelings in that so much of this stuff you can now really just go in and be like... | ||
| This is you talking about you. | ||
| Well, particularly when it doesn't seem to match up with anything I can find. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there are indications that a lot of people are motivated to vote. | ||
| Not motivated to vote for a particular candidate, but motivated to vote because they want to not feel the shame of having to lie about not voting. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So there are some sort of, like, societal pressures to fit in and be a part of the responsibility of voting. | ||
| That drive people to actually vote. | ||
| But that has nothing to do with choosing a candidate. | ||
| I don't know what he... | ||
| I can't find indications of anything that he's saying. | ||
| So when he's pitching something that doesn't seem to be supported by any evidence... | ||
| Or a fundamental human psychology. | ||
| Is this about you? | ||
| And I think it is. | ||
| It tends to be, yes. | ||
| So, you know, polls, they lie. | ||
| Because... | ||
| Globalists. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But Alex also lies about polls. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Even in cooked polls, Trump has gained 5 to 10 to 15 points. | ||
| Real polls, Trump's 15, 20 points ahead of the Democrats right now. | ||
| They're in full panic mode. | ||
| They already knew that and were trying to get him out of office with this impeachment. | ||
| But it has spectacularly backfired on them. | ||
| So according to 538's aggregate of polls... | ||
| They have Trump looking at a 43.1 approval rating and a 52.5 disapproval, or approximately a negative 9 net approval rating. | ||
| Real Clear Politics lists some of the more recent polls, which are mostly not good. | ||
| Quinnipiac has Trump at a negative 9 net approval. | ||
| USA Today has negative 2. Rasmussen is negative 4. NPR and PBS, their poll has them sitting at a negative 10. Reuters is at negative 15. And even Fox News' most recent poll conducted between December 8th and 11th is at negative 8. Simply put, there are no really credible polls that put Trump anywhere near a neutral approval rating. | ||
| The polls regarding various possible 2020 Democratic candidates are a little bit less consistent, but most of the reputable polling outlets are generally showing Trump losing to most of them, if the election were being held today, that is. | ||
| A lot can happen between now and November, and we don't really know who the candidate will be, so it's hard to put too much stake into any of those specific polls, but there just isn't anything I can find that reflects the reality that Alex is presenting. | ||
| Alex feels like Trump should be winning in the polls, and so he says he is. | ||
| You can't find any polls that show that Trump is up 10 or 20 points, but that's because all you have is access to the cooked, fraudulent polls. | ||
| Whereas Alex has the real pure numbers, which mysteriously are out of step with everyone else, but completely in line with his feelings. | ||
| So what is this? | ||
| Is this opinion or reporting? | ||
| I mean, Alex is definitely behaving as if he has proof that there are polls where Trump is beating the Democrats by 20 points, whatever that means, even. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Vague notion of beating the Democrats by 20 points. | ||
| He's five for eight from three, Dan. | ||
| This seems to not be based on anything but feelings. | ||
| I don't even know why. | ||
| I told you this is going to get a little tired. | ||
| We're already two clips in. | ||
| This is trouble. | ||
| I don't know why cooked polls would... | ||
| Why would Cook polls be like, well, Trump is only plus 10 instead of the plus 20 that theoretical real polls would do? | ||
| What's the point of cooking polls if it's still going to look horrendous? | ||
| Because Alex seems to think that these statisticians are like, you know... | ||
| Pushing up against something that's so strongly pushing back against them that their will cannot manage something better than Trump is up by 10. The cursor keeps writing 7 and then they're like, ah, delete! | ||
| Shit! | ||
| No! | ||
| It's a Herculean effort for them to make it look like Trump is only up 10 points. | ||
| That's basically what he's... | ||
| I feel like that could exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, if you ever needed just a snapshot of why Infowars is the stupidest fucking show in the world, I think I can provide that for you in a very short clip. | ||
| The vaccines are tainted. | ||
| They've been given liability protection by the same dangerous big pharma. | ||
| Companies have caused such great scourges. | ||
| We're going to break that down at the bottom of the next hour with Zach Voorhees, who's done a lot of research into it. | ||
| If you listen to Infowars and you take this shit seriously, you need to wake the fuck up. | ||
| And that clip is a good example of why. | ||
| Alex is going on a little anti-vax riff. | ||
| And then he announces that Zach Voorhees is going to be coming on to talk about it because he's done research on the issue. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Right. | ||
| He gave them a ton of documents that were ultimately meaningless and didn't show what they pretended they did. | ||
| And then after that report came out, it was revealed that Zach was an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist who had posted online repeatedly about how the U.S. has a Zionist-occupied government. | ||
| Whoa, I wouldn't call him a rabid anti-Semitic. | ||
| I didn't say rabid. | ||
| I don't know if he has rabies. | ||
| That term, Zionist-occupied government, a Zog, is pretty unique. | ||
| Two fucked up corners of anti-government conspiracy communities that tend towards the neo-Nazi-ish. | ||
| Yeah, Zog and Boogaloo now are fingerprints. | ||
| You know, you can trace those back to... | ||
| And Zog has been for a while. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Zack knows nothing about vaccines. | ||
| Zach has no expertise. | ||
| No, he worked at Google! | ||
| He has no expertise on the subject. | ||
| He's just a guy who can't be much older than 30 who'd worked as a computer scientist at Google for eight years when he went public this year. | ||
| He's not someone who you'd want to go to for a conversation about vaccines if you were taking the subject seriously. | ||
| He's someone you'd talk to about vaccines if you were trying to cultivate a new star in the world of right-wing propaganda media, which I suspect what Alex is doing here. | ||
| Zach is clearly willing to keep coming on his show. | ||
| Like, alright, you got a little bit of juice because of this Project Veritas video. | ||
| Let's see if we can make a star out of you. | ||
| And you fucking can't because Zach is a snooze. | ||
| He's terrible on mic. | ||
| He's fucking really dumb. | ||
| Yes, but he's not... | ||
| Busy, Dan, and that's the most important part of trying to make a new star for Infowars. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Zach Voorhees coming on the show today to talk vaccines because he studied the subject is a perfect example of how little Alex cares about doing a good job. | ||
| There was a time when he'd at least have the decency to have fake doctors on to talk about anti-vax shit. | ||
| But now, fuck it, let's just get that Project Veritas guy who believes there's a Zog. | ||
| He can't even get Mike Adams anymore, can he? | ||
| He probably could. | ||
| Mike might be busy, too. | ||
| And Zach? | ||
| Not busy. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Where and when did he study vaccines? | ||
| He did. | ||
| Was it at Google? | ||
| He read some fucking blogs. | ||
| At eight years, was he only working on the vaccine beat at Google? | ||
| Do they have a vaccine beat? | ||
| No. | ||
| Ironically, you know... | ||
| When he finally does show up at the end of the episode, a bunch of the stuff that he says is probably just stuff he read on Natural News. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's probably just reading Mike Adams' articles. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| We need a Mike Adams surrogate, too. | ||
| Anyway, he ends up saying some, like, profoundly stupid shit towards the end of this episode. | ||
| And I'm not even saying that because I have disdain for anti-vax stuff, which I do. | ||
| I mean, even devoid of that, he says some really stupid, like, things that are disqualifying, basically. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| They grow vaccines in honeybees' hives. | ||
| Might as well. | ||
| So Alex says that, you know, in the past, he's avoided being too optimistic about things, but... | ||
| Listen. | ||
| I feel like he is not. | ||
| He's changing the world. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He says something really revealing at the end of this clip. | ||
| I haven't wanted to be too optimistic. | ||
| And I've wanted to say the president's in danger, and I've wanted to say that we're not completely winning. | ||
| I've wanted to say they're going to have some tricks up their sleeves during the Senate trial and have a bunch of new allegations come out. | ||
| And that's all going to happen. | ||
| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| Because they have really screwed the pooch. | ||
| Now, that's if you look at currently what's on the table. | ||
| If I was them, I'd be pulling false flags right now. | ||
| I would morally do that myself, but if I was them, I'd be pulling false flags right now, and I would be blaming my opposition. | ||
| If Alex were the globalists, he'd be doing some false flags and blaming his opposition. | ||
| I feel like this is a very good example of how twisted Alex's thinking is, and how he foisted onto his audience to accept as fact, when it's just his feelings. | ||
| What strikes me most about this is that we've already heard Alex say repeatedly that the globalists are about to pull false flags in order to blame the patriots in the surrounding context of Trump's impeachment. | ||
| He's said this as a prediction based on his gut, which is never wrong. | ||
| He said it was a certainty many times in the past weeks, but now he's presenting this as a, if I were them, situation. | ||
| And that tells me something. | ||
| And namely, that is that Alex's enemies are in his head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no concrete reason for Alex to predict that these globalists are going to run false flags. | ||
| Everything he calls a false flag isn't one, and it's not like he's making this prediction based on whistleblowers or leaked globalist documents discussing false flag plans, based solely on his subjective perception. | ||
| When Alex says, if I were the globalist, I'd be running false flags, that is a pure distillation of his prediction that globalists are going to pull false flags. | ||
| That is what he's really saying when he predicts they're going to do this. | ||
| It's merely his own projection of his warped and violent mind being put onto his imagined enemies. | ||
| Alex has created an overpowered but also ultimately powerless enemy to fight, and in the process has convinced a not insignificant number of people to buy into his fantasies. | ||
| There are no globalists planning false flags. | ||
| There's only Alex Jones imagining that that is what his pretend enemies would do because that's what he would do if he were them. | ||
| Then, when a tragedy does inevitably happen, Alex gets to call it a false flag for no reason in order to fraudulently claim the role of a prophet. | ||
| And then the cycle repeats. | ||
| More brain force gets sold, and Alex tells you that we're so close to seeing the end of these globalists this time. | ||
| They've been on the brink of defeat so many times before, but never like this. | ||
| They're so close to defeat, and they're definitely going to do some false flags. | ||
| And when they do, it's crucial that I still be on the air. | ||
| So buy more brain force, and that's how you can take a stand like your ancestors did in the Revolutionary War. | ||
| Not everyone gets to be George Washington Jordan. | ||
| Some people are patriots only in as much as they can keep buying my bullshit pills. | ||
| Got a little worked up there. | ||
| Yeah, that was good. | ||
| But I mean, that's the cycle that he's doing. | ||
| That's what he's doing to people. | ||
| I always think of that... | ||
| Such bullshit. | ||
| Like that projection, because that especially is way too obvious of just like, if I were them, I would be false flagging people. | ||
| And to be fair, we've heard him say similar things in the past. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| A couple of times. | ||
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For sure. | |
| But it's pretty rare for him to... | ||
| Frame it in that so overt a way. | ||
| Obviously, yeah. | ||
| I think of that in the same way that those alt-right guys who talk just right before they get to all the way alt-right who are like, you know, I just think if all the oppressed peoples right now get all their power, they're going to do all that shit to us, man. | ||
| And it's like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's not how it works. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what you would do in their situation, which makes you the fucked up person here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| So, Alex reports that this impeachment thing is going forward, and of course it's all bullshit, and it won't pass the Senate. | ||
| But there's still reason to be concerned, because people are getting threatened. | ||
| They've got tricks up their sleeves. | ||
| And they are threatening all their minions right now that if you don't do this, we're going to release this dirt on you. | ||
| And if you don't do that, we're going to kill your daughter or your son. | ||
| Right now, the threats are flowing like Niagara Falls. | ||
| So, okay, is that news or is that Alex's feelings? | ||
| Is it opinion or is Alex actually asserting that people are being blackmailed and threatened that their kids will be killed if they don't go along with this impeachment? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Because if he's reporting that as fact, that's a very serious crime that he's presenting himself as having proof of. | ||
| Of course, he's just making this shit up, but it's presented as news. | ||
| That's asserted as a fact. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think he might have some screenshots of Larry Nichols' email. | ||
| We're going to get to that. | ||
| How did we get to that? | ||
| Well, I'm sorry I keep framing things this way, but after spending so much time with those depositions, I felt like it would be a good idea to take this as an opportunity to demonstrate these real examples of where these issues manifest themselves outside of, oh, I don't know, legally actionable places. | ||
| When Alex says that Sandy Hook was closed at the time of the shooting, for instance, and then pretends he was stating an opinion, that's a matter for the lawyers in the court. | ||
| But he does the same thing every day surrounding all these other issues. | ||
| He's talking about quote-unquote minions, who could honestly be anybody from government office clerks to congresspeople, being blackmailed and threatened to railroad Trump. | ||
| But I guarantee that he has nothing to base this on. | ||
| I have absolutely no doubt that if he had to answer why he said this under oath, he would say it is his opinion. | ||
| I feel it's true. | ||
| It's his opinion. | ||
| It's my opinion that people are being threatened in order to make sure Trump gets out of office. | ||
| Okay, who? | ||
| Look, it's my opinion that this is the case. | ||
| It's the vibe. | ||
| It's the zeitgeist. | ||
| Do you feel like it's responsible for you to say that to a bunch of people who rabidly believe in the insane things that you say? | ||
| Babies and incubators. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You win. | ||
| Call this trial off. | ||
| As you referenced, it should be mentioned that back when the Mueller investigation was ongoing, Larry Nichols literally came on Alex's show and threatened to release damning information about Robert Mueller and every member of Congress if they didn't stop investigating Trump. | ||
| There is no proof of the conspiracy that Alex is talking about right now, but his show has been host to the exact same behavior, just directed at the people that Alex wants to target. | ||
| Well, if I were them, that's what I would be doing, so when I'm not them, that is what I will be doing. | ||
| I'm against Larry Nichols impotently blackmailing people in Congress on Alex's show, in the same way I am against people being blackmailed hypothetically to... | ||
| It hurt Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I am against it because I'm against that action. | ||
| You're against the blackmail part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now, have you considered that maybe blackmail is a great thing so long as it doesn't happen to you, Dan? | ||
| I am now officially a sovereign citizen! | ||
| Alex is so just the worst. | ||
| And it's so clear. | ||
| I mean, I guess maybe you could... | ||
| Possibly get the impression that he didn't like Larry Nichols' blackmail in Congress based on the fact that he didn't have him on the show for like a year. | ||
| But that's only implied. | ||
| I never heard him denounce that. | ||
| He didn't push back on Larry when Larry was on. | ||
| And he's had him back. | ||
| So he can't have been too big a deal. | ||
| The fact that there is no consistent practice of ethics through ideology is like rife. | ||
| Is fucking rife. | ||
| Like Mitch McConnell will never seat a Supreme Court justice in an election year. | ||
| If he could, he would seat four today. | ||
| That's just how these people work. | ||
| Because he thinks, probably, that if I were the other side, I would be doing the exact same thing. | ||
| Even though that's demonstrably untrue now. | ||
| I mean, hypocrisy is no pointed attack or whatever. | ||
| It's not an accusation that holds any weight. | ||
| Yeah, not anymore. | ||
| But it's still worth pointing these things out, particularly when Alex has been party to literal blackmail of members of Congress. | ||
| Attempted. | ||
| And now he's making up this reportage about Trump. | ||
| The threats are flowing like Niagara Falls. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Do you think he thinks that there is some equivalent force to Infowars? | ||
| Does he think that there is some bizarro Infowars that has bizarro Larry Nichols on threatening to blackmail bizarro members? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I think he just thinks that's what MSNBC is. | ||
| I kind of think he does too. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| What a lunatic. | ||
| He's got the spirit in him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, about this, like, fighting back against the impeachment. | ||
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| And he expresses this. | ||
| I just think this is so goddamn fake. | ||
| You can feel the spirit rising like never before. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| The battle is now joined. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| So fake. | ||
| Alex, we're going to have to ask you to take that one again. | ||
| Yeah, from the top. | ||
| Yeah, let's start that over. | ||
| This was a warm-up take, I understand, but we really got to get to some intensity in there. | ||
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| Can you feel it? | ||
| Yellow leather, yellow leather! | ||
| What a dork. | ||
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| Alex is thrilled about the UK election, primarily because Boris Johnson is a nationalist candidate. | ||
| He's on his side, theoretically. | ||
| Which is ironic, considering he's doing everything possible to turn the UK into a colony of the United States. | ||
| Leaving that aside for a moment, because we might have time for some more politic in the UK discussion in as much as we can a little bit later. | ||
| Alex is thrilled that there's these nationalists getting elected over the world, right? | ||
| But you would think that is the answer to his globalist problem. | ||
| Yeah, a global nationalist. | ||
| Well, it turns out that even though these nationalist candidates are getting elected places, there's still trouble. | ||
| Despite everything they're throwing at humanity, nationalists and populists are getting elected. | ||
| And of course, those nationalist movements are infiltrated with globalists. | ||
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| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| At least they're having to act like they're patriots to get elected. | ||
| And then it's only a process of removing the globalists who are able to get in by lying to the people. | ||
| And most of the time, the people actually getting in, in the case of Trump or the case of the leader in Brazil and other areas, are actually patriots. | ||
| And so it's just their minions that we have to then discover and remove. | ||
| You can see here why Alex's grift will never naturally reach its end point on its own. | ||
| It's entirely up to Alex to set his win conditions, and his audience is so gullible that he can just change those whenever he wants. | ||
| More importantly, I think what you see here is that Alex, given the authority and ability to do so, would be an absolute scourge of a political force. | ||
| He would be the sort that runs all manner of purity tests and purges in order to make sure the party doesn't have any infiltrators in it. | ||
| That has always worked out well, as we can see from Russia's perfect example of Stalin. | ||
| It worked out great. | ||
| Yeah, that's the natural end result of your worldview being entirely based on defiance. | ||
| Only defined by being against something. | ||
| Once you have ostensibly conquered that thing, you have to be against something else. | ||
| Alex is defined as a media entity, and his entire personality, his entire reason to exist is based on, I'm against the globalists. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| If he has a situation where, like, now we have vanquished the globalists... | ||
| He has to create his own enemies. | ||
| He's useless. | ||
| As he's already done! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It would be fun to see if he could hire somebody to Photoshop people out of all of his pictures full-time. | ||
| How many people would he get rid of and all of a sudden he's just alone in every picture? | ||
| Get Zach from Google to do that for him. | ||
| It's back to the future. | ||
| Everybody's disappearing. | ||
| So these people, they're against the globalists. | ||
| But what's this? | ||
| A bunch of people that Alex has labeled as anti-globalists are winning elections. | ||
| Which should signify that you've achieved your goal. | ||
| Now you can go about creating the pseudo-utopia that would have been possible all along had it not been for those meddling globalists. | ||
| But they can't do that. | ||
| And they aren't even interested in that sort of thing, even if they could do anything. | ||
| So the game changes. | ||
| Some of these nationalist groups are infiltrated, so now it's not enough to get nationalists into office. | ||
| We also have to make sure there aren't any globalist infiltrators. | ||
| They have to be rooted out at every turn. | ||
| The threat is internal and external. | ||
| You can't trust your own nationalist party, because it's probably got some globalist spies in there. | ||
| Again, this is just based on Alex's feelings. | ||
| It has no bearing on reality. | ||
| On the one hand, it's a way of escalating paranoia in a deeply unhealthy way. | ||
| But in another, it's more likely than not, this is just Alex's way of creating an excuse for why, after his pretend 1776 2.0 is happening, none of the things he says are going to happen, happen. | ||
| It's because these nationalists we elected are secret globalists or something. | ||
| Because Alex gets to set these win conditions in his imaginary info war, there will never be an achievable win condition. | ||
| It would be pretty naive to think that he's not keenly aware that he's pretty much useless once the globalists are defeated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, Alex knows nothing about Bolsonaro other than he's heard him referred to as Brazil's Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would bet anything that I own that as Alex was saying that sentence, he didn't even remember his name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This guy's a fucking awful. | ||
| This is the worst. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he takes that sci-fi fantasy. | ||
| thing of that. | ||
| Neither evil nor good can ever fully defeat the other. | ||
| It's a never-ending struggle, and no matter what, if good defeats evil, the seed of its destruction is inside of it, and evil will... | ||
| It's just, everything is that titanic, eternal battle between good and evil. | ||
| So no matter what, there is always going to be somebody in there. | ||
| It just boggles my mind that nobody... | ||
| people start talking like this, that means their organization or their group is going to cannibalize itself no matter what. | ||
| It always does that. | ||
| Always. | ||
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| Call it out. | ||
| Yeah, you're introducing at least the justification bad actors will need in order to create Those divisions that end up completely destroying whatever you have. | ||
| Every fucking time. | ||
| It's the us versus them mentality brought in the house. | ||
| Even outside of the house, let's say, metaphorically, it's not a healthy outlook. | ||
| It's just never good. | ||
| Exclusion versus inclusion. | ||
| I mean, just the phrase... | ||
| Destroyed by infighting should be on the doorway of everybody's house in those things. | ||
| It always happens! | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's funny, because we actually get a literal example of that in this next clip. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because Alex brings in Paul Joseph Watson to talk about the UK election. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And Alex has some dumb things to say. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| How big is this? | ||
| Because I know you don't brag about it, but you're in the inner workings of... | ||
| The Brexit Party and UKIP and, you know, Farage well, and you've been in those meetings when this is all being quarterbacked. | ||
| I mean, it really is Farage that's behind Boris Johnson. | ||
| This has really got to scare the globalists that the guy they kept way out in the hinterlands for so long is now the power behind the throne with nationalist parties taking over Europe at every election. | ||
| This is an amazing time, Paul Watson. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| So, before I get into this, I'd like to make a caveat that I'm not an expert in UK politics. | ||
| I know what I've read on the issue, and the sense that I get from that landscape is that Alex isn't saying anything that matches up with the analysis I've seen. | ||
| It seems like Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party are effectively completely neutralized now that the election is over and the Conservative Party won. | ||
| He had tons of chips in his hand. | ||
| Prior to the election, because he was threatening to field candidates in conservative-held constituencies, which effectively create a complete split in the pro-Brexit voting bloc. | ||
| Farage is only relevant because of that threat, and as soon as he announced that the party would back down, he became a non-player. | ||
| The Brexit Party has zero seats in Parliament, so there's no real ability for him to be a part of the coalition government. | ||
| He's only relevant in the fact that he's a rabble-rouser, and for the seats that he currently holds, or the party holds, in the EU Parliament, which we'll see if they even hold on to. | ||
| I mean, don't... | ||
| Their end goal is to not even have those seats in the EU Parliament, so it doesn't make any sense for those to be any kind of bargaining chip if your entire goal is to eliminate them. | ||
| It doesn't seem like there's much sense to Farage being the power behind the throne, but it makes sense for Alex to feel that way because he's talked to Farage before. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Another important point is that the Brexit Party and UKIP are not associated with each other. | ||
| Nigel Farage created the Brexit Party specifically because he was disgusted with the direction of UKIP and their anti-Muslim obsession. | ||
| He wrote an article in the Daily Telegraph announcing his departure from the party, saying, quote, The very idea of Tommy Robinson being at the center of the Brexit debate is too awful to contemplate. | ||
| And so, with a heavy heart, and after all of my years of devotion to the party, I'm leaving UKIP today. | ||
| Faraj is full of shit about caring about anti-Islam sentiment. | ||
| I was about to go there. | ||
| But he isn't so dense to think that a party that fuels people like Count Dankula and Tommy Robinson as candidates is one that can't be successful on the ballot, let alone in governing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The party he led had become unrecognizable to him. | ||
| And the way it was unrecognizable was in the fact that they were taking Alex Jones' guests seriously. | ||
| Paul is friends with UKIP. | ||
| He associates with them. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that he has nothing to do formally with the Brexit party, particularly considering that he made a big public spectacle of joining UKIP, along with Tommy Robinson and Dankula, just a few months before Farage quit. | ||
| I'm sure that Paul has some contacts, and they may mean something. | ||
| They may not. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I find it very unlikely he was involved in anything relevant. | ||
| Boris Johnson would never be associated with Alex, and Nigel Farage probably wouldn't anymore either. | ||
| The wing of UK politics that Alex has access to is the UKIP. | ||
| And that might as well be a dead party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, good. | ||
| I mean, they made the classic mistake of starting to buy their own bullshit. | ||
| Like, a good politician... | ||
| Let's get Sargon of Akkad in office. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| A good politician knows that he's lying to these people, and so he can control that narrative. | ||
| But once they start fielding those candidates, they're like, fuck, shit. | ||
| Oh, we got nothing now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's exactly that thing, though. | ||
| It's the division. | ||
| The UKIP and Brexit party should conceivably be... | ||
| Well, they agree on everything. | ||
| Except for the believing this bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Formalizing and allowing this wing to have any proximity to the actual party. | ||
| Guys, we're willing to exploit anti-Islam fervor. | ||
| We don't want to be part of it. | ||
| You are so stupid! | ||
| Yeah, and for that reason, I've seen some pictures of Paul hanging out with some people who were involved in the Brexit party. | ||
| I'm sure he does know people and associates with them, but any kind of proximity to actual shit, I think they know better. | ||
| Because Paul, for all of his... | ||
| Increased popularity over people like Count Dankula. | ||
| I don't even like him existing. | ||
| And his decreased toxicity compared to someone like Tommy Robinson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's still in that world. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| He's still that. | ||
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| And associating with him to any large degree, I think that that's why Farage left the Brexit party. | ||
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| He's not going to now allow that in. | ||
| Maybe he would. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| I mean, well. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if some UKIP people infiltrated the Brexit party in order to push it further into it. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people did when they left UKIP went over to Brexit party, but I mean, who knows? | ||
| Yeah, it's all just the fracturing, though. | ||
| Anyway, Paul has some weird political analysis on this episode, and the first one seems to have to do with a Twitter poll, maybe? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Someone tweeted yesterday. | ||
| Tweets from Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, and Boris Johnson, the Conservative leader, on the morning of the election, pointing out that Corbyn, the Labour Party tweet, got 156,000 likes. | ||
| The Conservative Party tweet got 12,500 likes. | ||
| And their message on this tweet was, can someone explain how support for Labour is so overwhelming, yet we have a huge Tory majority when it comes to the election? | ||
| Well, it's because... | ||
| You created this massive echo chamber on Twitter, on social media, by banning people, by forcing self-censorship of alternative opinions. | ||
| So don't be surprised when reality doesn't reflect your social media bubble. | ||
| This is great analysis. | ||
| Alternate theory, Dan? | ||
| I have a couple. | ||
| Alternate theory? | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| The Tories filled with fucking old people! | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| The end! | ||
| Yeah, UGOV's polling on the 2019 election showed that, quote, for every 10 years older a voter is, the chances of them voting conservative in the UK election increases by nearly 8%. | ||
| Conservatives got 16% of the 18 to 24 vote, 18% of the 25 to 29 vote, and 23% of the 30 to 39 vote. | ||
| How else did they do with the older than that? | ||
| That's compared to 58% of the 70 plus vote and 45% of the 60 to 69 vote. | ||
| Two age cohorts you're not likely to see shooting off in the comment section or report. | ||
| This variable alone could help explain the differences between tweets and votes. | ||
| And then you have to take into account the fact that Twitter users exist who cannot vote in the UK! | ||
| I don't understand, Dan, how? | ||
| They can retweet things, though, and like things. | ||
| No, it's British Twitter! | ||
| There's a far greater solidarity on the left internationally in spaces like Twitter, and you can see that in U.S. persons expressing support for Corbyn and Labour, whereas internationally, not too many grassroots folks on the right are necessarily that excited about Boris. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just off the top of my head, these are two possible alternative explanations for the phenomenon Paul is describing. | ||
| But his opinion, his feeling, is that the differences in tweets compared to votes is the result of conservatives being banned from Twitter and not being able to retweet their support for Boris or something. | ||
| Yeah, how many conservatives have been banned from Twitter? | ||
| A hundred thousand? | ||
| Is that what he's arguing? | ||
| All of them. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| Okay, never mind. | ||
| For what it's worth, Paul's Twitter is still there. | ||
| He's verified and he has over a million followers. | ||
| Stuff is all a load of shit. | ||
| Playing this Twitter victim game when you're literally living proof that the narrative isn't real. | ||
| I would ask him real quick, did you retweet the Boris Johnson tweet? | ||
| He might have. | ||
| He might have. | ||
| I feel like he might not have. | ||
| Okay, I'll let you report that as fact. | ||
| So, you know, something we're talking about here a little bit is they... | ||
| Polling does show that the youth are far more into labor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Far higher support of the Tories and conservatives in the elderly. | ||
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| Which is why the olds are trying to kill us. | ||
| The same is true phenomenologically of people in the United States. | ||
| Younger people skew towards the left. | ||
| We want to live! | ||
| And older people are like, we want you to die! | ||
| Now, that is a true thing that is based on polling. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, Paul wants to explain that this, talking about that, is the same as the great replacement conspiracy theories. | ||
| I'm sorry, do what now? | ||
| This is a swing. | ||
| I think Paul is way out of line. | ||
| You think it connects? | ||
| No. | ||
| People on the left are saying, oh, just be patient. | ||
| We'll win it with the demographics. | ||
| We'll win it with the mass immigration. | ||
| Anyone on the right who talks about that? | ||
| Is a white supremacist and talking about the great replacement. | ||
| But if you talk about it in a positive way and you're on the left, then it's perfectly acceptable. | ||
| But there's a sea of red for 18 to 24 year olds. | ||
| And this is the problem, because Tony Blair basically set into policy this goal of having 50 percent of people go to university. | ||
| Now, he's doing that because universities, even more so in the UK than the US in many places. | ||
| Are literal Marxist brainwashing camps. | ||
| So, first of all, what a shock. | ||
| Paul feels like colleges are Marxist brainwashing camps. | ||
| I should tell you that in his deposition, Paul did testify that he didn't go to college, so I guess he's not speaking from any personal experience. | ||
| It's just so weird that these people who run misinformation grifts really want people to shudder at the thought of people getting higher education. | ||
| Education! | ||
| Almost as if their business model depends on a population devoid of critical thinking skills. | ||
| Either that, or Tony Blair, the noted Marxist, just wanted kids to go to college so he could brainwash them. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think that makes perfect sense. | ||
| The larger problem with that clip is how Paul is discussing demographics. | ||
| What he's doing is advancing an argument that is very dumb on its face, but the function of it seems to be in some ways meant to legitimize this great replacement theory that no matter how snarkily he says it, His argument fails for a number of reasons that aren't even worth breaking down, but I think there's an important distinction between the way he discusses demographics and how someone noting that the youth support left-leaning candidates much more, you know, there's a difference. | ||
| And it's about the next step. | ||
| For someone who sees that the younger age cohorts are more liberal, they'll see that, and maybe they'll hope that they retain these political ideas as they get older. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| For someone like Paul, or many of the people he associates with, they see statistics that immigrants have a higher likelihood of voting Democratic, and that's not it. | ||
| They have a next step, and that's advocating positions like closing the borders, mass deportations, or building a wall. | ||
| Oh, see, now I assumed that what they wanted to do was create policies that were more inclusive and get those voters onto their side. | ||
| See, now that would be an interesting... | ||
| Possible way to go, but it's not how they go. | ||
| No. | ||
| The next step in the logic is really the problem, because it's never analysis. | ||
| Like you're pointing out, there's never a moment of reflection where you think, okay, these population segments have particular voting trends. | ||
| Is there a possible policy reason for that? | ||
| Their response is a pure knee-jerk reaction that sees a population that votes in a way that they don't like, and their response is to try and remove or limit that population from the country. | ||
| The equivalent for this in the age example would be if people on the left were holding rallies where they chanted about a Logan's Run-style euthanasia program to remove the elderly from the voting bloc since they skew so far to the right. | ||
| Or maybe that's too extreme, so let's imagine they're just saying that no one over 49 can vote. | ||
| These folks who note that the younger people skew to the left aren't advancing positions specifically designed to marginalize the old. | ||
| People like Paul... | ||
| They note that immigrants skew to the left in voting patterns and then advance positions designed to marginalize them. | ||
| This is the primary difference and why his analogy makes no sense. | ||
| The rest of the stuff he's talking about, I'm not even going to dignify with the response. | ||
| All he's doing is trying to create a what about type argument in order to justify these demographic justifications for white nationalism. | ||
| Because I don't hear people on the left saying, All these immigrants coming in, they'll vote for the left, so hooray. | ||
| I've not heard anybody use that as a justification for increased immigration or maintaining current levels of immigration. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I've only heard that as a conspiracy theory by people advancing the Great Replacement Theory from the right. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Hey, I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| You're doing it, so I have to do it in order to stop you. | ||
| Of course we're trying to limit the Democratic voting population because that's what you guys would do if you could. | ||
| It's so fucked up that these people think they're doing good. | ||
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That they're playing the game the right way. | |
| It's brutal. | ||
| It's like if the Patriots were a party. | ||
| A political party. | ||
| The football team? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Similar to that. | ||
| So, uh, college, uh, is Marxist brainwashing. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Last clip. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And, uh, he speaks a little bit more about that here. | ||
| Some people would say those 18 to 24 year olds are going to grow up. | ||
| They're going to become property owners. | ||
| They're going to have more wealth. | ||
| No, they're naturally going to become more conservative, but that's not the case because we don't have problem in the Marxist brainwashing camps because that social engineering lasts forever. | ||
| I would fucking love for Paul to even pretend he's not just making shit up out of thin air. | ||
| Colleges are Marxist brainwashing camps, and the powers that be want more people to go to college so they will be brainwashed in order to make it so they don't naturally get more conservative as they grow older. | ||
| What a fucking idiot. | ||
| That's an insane... | ||
| You know how many assholes I went to college with who studied business and they graduated and they're old conservatives now? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here with that weak shit. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| Actual data doesn't back up anything Paul is saying. | ||
| It's all just Paul's feelings that college's liberal indoctrination camp. | ||
| Well, when I talk to somebody with a college degree, they say I'm wrong, damn. | ||
| Wah. | ||
| The Conversation published a study called IDEALS back in February 2018. | ||
| That was the conclusion of a years-long series of surveys given to a representative sample of over 7,000 students at more than 120 colleges starting in 2015. | ||
| They were particularly interested in seeing how these students changed, if at all, in their perception of varying political alignments. | ||
| They surveyed them when they were just entering college and then again during their sophomore year, and the results are pretty interesting. | ||
| 48% of respondents, quote, viewed liberals more favorably in their second year of college than when they arrived. | ||
| So Paul must be right. | ||
| Almost half of these students got swayed by Marxist brainwashing. | ||
| They did get Marxistly brainwashed. | ||
| Problem is, they also found that 50% of respondents also viewed conservatives more positively after going to college. | ||
| The proportion of those whose views worsened were almost also identical, with 30% towards liberals and 31.3% towards conservatives, their views of them getting worse. | ||
| I found this paragraph particularly important. | ||
| Quote, the data show us that the most growth in appreciation happened among people who were initially least appreciative of either liberals or conservatives. | ||
| In simple terms, first-year college students who begin college really disliking liberals or conservatives have their attitudes softened in college. | ||
| Exposure to people with different beliefs than you in an integrating environment helps people understand each other, and it seems to have the effect of making radicalization less likely. | ||
| It's not good for people whose business model is radicalization. | ||
| People like Alex don't want you to humanize people you disagree with. | ||
| He wants you to think that they're demons who can literally only be defeated by his yelling, which you make possible by buying his dumb pills. | ||
| According to the Pew Research Center, something bad is happening with the people who are on the right, right now, in terms of higher education. | ||
| If you look at the proportion of people on the left who believe college is a positive for the country... | ||
| That number has been in the range of 67% to 72% from 2012 to the present day. | ||
| Fluctuates a little bit, but it's pretty much fairly consistent. | ||
| Conversely, on the right, there is a distinct change that is very recent. | ||
| In 2012, 53% of Republicans thought college was a positive, and 54% in 2015. | ||
| In 2017, that number dropped to 36%, and now in 2019, it's 33%. | ||
| If you look at the graph, the approval and disapproval from college flipped. | ||
| There's something happening, and it happened in 2016, that is leading to a noticeable shift in right-wing opinions towards higher education. | ||
| Oh, I don't understand. | ||
| You know, it's anyone's guess why that's happening, but I would imagine that the GOP becoming a party completely infiltrated by scam artists probably isn't helping. | ||
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| I would welcome Paul to show me some evidence of going to college. | ||
| Makes you resistant to the greater conservatism of getting older, but I suspect that's not coming anytime soon. | ||
| It's so obvious. | ||
| Just from my experience, just, like, personal experience on this regard is I grew up in a small town, isolated. | ||
| Everybody's the same. | ||
| Everybody believes the same bullshit. | ||
| You get, what would you call it? | ||
| I don't know, brainwashed there because it's such a small... | ||
| Closed off community. | ||
| It's not even brainwashed. | ||
| It's like trained. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Incultured. | ||
| I'm ironically using that word. | ||
| And then you go to a college or a city and you're exposed to so many different things and you realize, holy shit, I've been told that this was scary for forever. | ||
| Now I'm doing it and it is not just not scary. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's fucking great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the way you explain all of this, like, why are cities so blue? | ||
| Why is it that so many colleges, especially on the right, are trying to create their own isolated educational systems where they have complete control over what even can be said there? | ||
| You look at that graph of the inverse from 2015 to 2017. | ||
| It's really fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, and that should be cause for... | ||
| Alarm. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean... | ||
| Among people on the right. | ||
| One of... | ||
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I mean, yeah. | |
| But no, one of your things of, like, something that you've said repeatedly of how do we stop this horrible right-wing propaganda is our only hope is education. | ||
| And you're like, well, now that the people we need to educate the most... | ||
| Are actively hating education, then, you know, that makes that really, really difficult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If not impossible. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that's probably strategically... | ||
| Yeah, it's sound for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's what they think we would do if given the opportunity. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, Paul, he's got some dumb things to say, and he wants to complain a little bit about YouTube. | ||
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| Then let's get into Pootie Pie. | ||
| That's pretty big news. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Well, it's the Great Awakening or it's the Great Backlash with PewDiePie and social media censorship more widely. | ||
| Of course, YouTube instituted this new policy about insulting people based on all these different vague new categories, but the thing about it was they retroactively enforced it. | ||
| So it's like, you know, if in America they passed a new federal law making marijuana completely illegal across the entire country, they could then retroactively go back and say, oh, you smoked marijuana or you talked about smoking weed two years ago. | ||
| We're going to arrest you for it. | ||
| That's how dumb YouTube's new policy is. | ||
| The analogy Paul is trying to draw here is absolutely flawed, and it doesn't work at all. | ||
| That's how dumb Paul is. | ||
| Recently, YouTube rolled out some new changes about moderation of content that's deemed to be, quote, maliciously insulting people based on things that are considered protected classes, like race, gender, etc. | ||
| Like, that's what he's saying. | ||
| These vague... | ||
| It's not vague. | ||
| It's pretty specific. | ||
| I don't feel like I'm maliciously insulting them. | ||
| I'm proactively insulting them. | ||
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| It's all part of YouTube's march towards pretending they're a TV network, and anyone who's surprised by these sorts of moves is either a fool or someone who probably makes money by maliciously insulting protected classes of people, or both. | ||
| PewDiePie has far more to worry about regarding the new rule that's set to kick in at the beginning of 2020 regarding how flagrantly YouTube has violated the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act. | ||
| Mostly because he has a gigantic audience of people under 13, and there are rules regarding advertising to children that have been ignored by YouTube up till now. | ||
| And if they're enforced, they'll very likely cut into his bottom line in a serious way. | ||
| But that has nothing to do with what Paul is complaining about. | ||
| That is a big concern for someone like PewDiePie. | ||
| PewDiePie's long-standing ad agreement with camel cigarettes really isn't going to help him out on this one. | ||
| It's going to be trouble. | ||
| It's going to make this one... | ||
| So the reason Paul's argument doesn't make sense is that, one, YouTube deciding what content is or is not okay is not a law. | ||
| And therefore, there aren't ex post facto rules regarding their moderation decisions. | ||
| But more importantly, two, content that's hosted online is constantly new. | ||
| Whereas if you smoked weed a year ago, that's one discreet act. | ||
| It makes no sense to take action against a person for one discreet action they made prior to a law changing because that action has no effect on the change you're hoping to make through the law. | ||
| The same is not true of videos that are maliciously harassing people. | ||
| If you made a video a year ago, the effect of harm the rules are seeking to minimize is present with each new view of that video. | ||
| You could maybe make the argument that YouTube shouldn't harshly punish people for things that were okay before but are now against the rules, but Paul's angle is completely absurd. | ||
| But the other problem is that these aren't new policies, really. | ||
| They're just saying that they're going to expand on already existing rules and suggesting that maybe they should... | ||
| Actually enforce stuff that already is in the rules. | ||
| Yeah, it's hosted. | ||
| Every click is a new... | ||
| It's like a commercial running over and over and over again. | ||
| It's not like a... | ||
| Yeah, that's stupid. | ||
| Very. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| If Mr. Rogers had a YouTube channel and he was sounding the alarm on this rule change and not doing with this super flimsy weed legality analogy... | ||
| I might take it a little more seriously, because obviously he's not going to be affected by that rule change. | ||
| As it is, Paul knows damn well that a policy change where maliciously insulting people based on protected attributes, that effectively works directly against his business model. | ||
| So this kind of sounds like a bully trying to fight anti-bullying rules by crying free speech. | ||
| It feels hollow, and more than anything, like... | ||
| It feels like Paul talking about his feelings, but he's masking it as a political opinion. | ||
| I really think that Paul should be best. | ||
| I really think he should strive to be best. | ||
| Also, something that we don't talk about much, because we don't talk about Paul that much, but I think is important. | ||
| I need to point this out. | ||
| Paul cannot form sensible analogies or comparisons. | ||
| He thinks YouTube content rules are the same as arresting someone for something that was previously legal. | ||
| There's a bunch of reasons why that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| He thinks that discussing voting patterns based on age is the same as the great replacement shit. | ||
| He thinks that Twitter likes and retweets should match up with voting results. | ||
| He's not very smart, is what I'm getting at. | ||
| He delivers this shit with the smug presentation of knowing what he's talking about, but it's all ultimately meaningless. | ||
| It's just a dumb guy saying dumb things that feel good to his audience because they give the veneer of intellect to their bigotries. | ||
| He really could have used with some Marxist brainwashing. | ||
| A little theory. | ||
| Maybe even a community Marxist brainwashing, you know? | ||
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He doesn't need to go to a full four-year Marxist brainwash camp. | |
| I didn't want to descend to that level lest I sound elitist. | ||
| I mean, any basic philosophy class would teach you why these analogies that he's drawing legitimately make no sense. | ||
| It's not like I graduated. | ||
| I dropped out, man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm still not displacement theory-ing shit. | ||
| So PewDiePie, right? | ||
| He's the biggest thing in the world, according to Alex. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And these YouTube rules, ah, they're going to screw him over. | ||
| So that means that PewDiePie, according to Alex, needs to make his own YouTube. | ||
| If anybody could launch an alternative, it'd be PewDiePie. | ||
| And again, for older folks who don't know, he's got like 100 billion views on YouTube alone. | ||
| There's nothing bigger ever. | ||
| I mean, you talk about just all the... | ||
| Anybody under 25 knows who he is. | ||
| And the guy's really funny. | ||
| And again, he's bigger than all of the other media combined. | ||
| We need... | ||
| I mean, let me tell you, when he plugs InfoWars, it's massive. | ||
| You've experienced the plug. | ||
| We need him to join with us. | ||
| Join with Sauron. | ||
| Why do you always present yourself as the bad guy? | ||
| Why join with Zoran? | ||
| Was he the secret protagonist of Lord of the Rings? | ||
| Oh my god, if PewDiePie was on our side, that would solve all of my attention problems. | ||
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Was he the one trying to destroy nuclear weapons? | |
| Probably. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex says something that I really think kind of undermines his reason to exist. | ||
| People are going to reject... | ||
| The NWO, whether we're there opposing it or not, and that's what's just so insane about the crazy left and the globalists in their bubbles and their big Tower of Babel master plan. | ||
| So, according to him, everyone's just going to reject the New World Order because... | ||
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| Yeah, anyway. | ||
| So why do you need to exist? | ||
| What is the point of his show if he's not doing anything that's not just going to happen naturally? | ||
| Well, because somebody needs to point out that Kevin Nash is just too tall. | ||
| He's just too tall, Dan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's why he's here. | ||
| Well, I mean, if this show is just Alex talking about his feelings, and it's clearly not going to lead to the political goal that he's seeking, he probably should just get some therapy and be cool. | ||
| He could. | ||
| He could do that. | ||
| You make way less money selling pills to go to therapy, though. | ||
| You have to pay for therapy, whereas people pay you for free lies. | ||
| True. | ||
| So, Paul is on, he said some stupid shit, and he's done. | ||
| And now, Alex has Owen Schroer on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And man, if Paul is dumb, Owen Schroer is just a rock. | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| Wind the clocks back, Alex. | ||
| And if you remember, in 2016, obviously, most of the audience will remember the Carl the Cook, AIDS Skrillex video. | ||
| That video, in 2016, created a new genre of content. | ||
| Where people now go out and confront Trump protesters, exposing how they don't know what they're talking about, exposing how they're falling for false narratives, exposing how they're all parrots, clearly being trained and practiced as these astroturf protests. | ||
| That goes viral. | ||
| Now, Alex, we've seen in a very shortened time span, in the cyclone of time here as it gets tighter, now we already have, after what I did Monday, dozens of videos of politicians being confronted. | ||
| This is some of the most flagrantly self-congratulatory shit I've ever seen. | ||
| I feel like I just heard him come a little bit. | ||
| He's jerking himself off so hard. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| This is unreal. | ||
| Owen Schurier is getting up here on the mic and pretending that he pioneered a new genre of entertainment when he yelled at some Trump protesters in 2016, and now with his publicity stunt at the impeachment hearing, he's done it again! | ||
| After I heroically transformed the entire media landscape single-handedly, Alex. | ||
| Robert Stern. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Owen Schreier is truly the most innovative entertainer of our time. | ||
| He's just constantly changing the game and elevating the art of yelling-based publicity stunts. | ||
| Traitor! | ||
| I would like a Pulitzer. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Anybody? | ||
| Anybody out here Pulitzers for this? | ||
| On the one hand, this is sad. | ||
| But on the other hand, it's really sad. | ||
| Owen, like I said, he hosted the Sunday show this week. | ||
| And he started the show by reading basically the same script about how he invented a new form of entertainment when he yelled at some Trump protesters and now after yelling at Congress, another new genre has emerged. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Leaving aside how Owen was definitely not the first person to record themselves arguing with protesters and how everybody preferred the guy who threw his shoe at George Bush, I'd like to remind him of something else. | ||
| You may recall that video of Owen made the rounds in 2017 where a young girl calls him a fucking idiot and gives him the finger. | ||
| That is a new genre. | ||
| After Owen tried to start an interview with her saying, quote, How are you, young man? | ||
| It was real fun to see this great kid out there. | ||
| But what you might forget is that Owen immediately got on air on InfoWars and tried to play the victim, insisting that he'd open the conversation saying ma 'am, not man, which makes no sense given that he literally says, how are you, young man, and no one says young ma 'am. | ||
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| He said ma 'am! | ||
| And they were all saying that he said man. | ||
| It just wasn't fair! | ||
| You might also forget that he started reading Bible verses on air that he took comfort in in his dark time, which interestingly is my favorite genre of entertainment. | ||
| He did what? | ||
| That Owen has pioneered, which is self-serving victimhood wallowing with a televangelism spin. | ||
| Yeesh. | ||
| Yeah, he was sitting next to Alex reading Bible verses. | ||
| Just reading Bible verses? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Because a young girl had called him a fucking idiot and everyone loved it. | ||
| God, just go to Marxist brainwashing school! | ||
| This dude is the worst, but he also is just so not interesting. | ||
| This is just a desperate attempt to be little Alex, but he just doesn't have the chops. | ||
| Like, Alex can yell about how he created investigative journalism by breaking into Bohemian Grove, and it's clearly bullshit, but you kind of wonder if Alex actually believes what he's saying. | ||
| With Owen, you know he doesn't believe this shit. | ||
| It kind of takes the intrigue out of it. | ||
| Who could? | ||
| Who could believe that they created? | ||
| It's so flimsy, it's not even interesting. | ||
| Yeah, that's bananas. | ||
| That is bananas. | ||
| You can create a new genre clip on TikTok, but you cannot do that on YouTube. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This whole thing with Owen is largely just about how we get attention. | ||
| You know, they're talking about creating these new genres as a way of being like, we really are, we get so many views on this stuff. | ||
| Look at all the eyeballs on us. | ||
| That means we're good. | ||
| And so they talk about another part of this here. | ||
| President Trump tweeted out our great reporter, Will Johnson, out there at the Capitol. | ||
| He's got a mic flag for his other organizations we encourage him to use so he doesn't get physically assaulted by leftists. | ||
| And so that they retweet those videos. | ||
| You notice they don't retweet the Infowars videos unless they don't have the Infowars mic. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, Trump's retweeted some of them, but we've done that so it makes it easier. | ||
| What Alex is talking about here is how one of his employees, Will Johnson, host of Firepower, which may not exist anymore, I'm not entirely sure, he was interviewed by CBS News back on December 10th, masquerading as just a normal everyday Trump supporter, hanging out at the rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania. | ||
| Will was not identified as a person who works in the media, nor as an employee of Infowars, but just some guy who believed that if Trump is removed, there would be a second civil war. | ||
| If someone who worked on air like the Young Turks was interviewed at a Bernie event, Alex would never stop talking about media manipulation. | ||
| It was a plant! | ||
| It was a plant! | ||
| They were there pushing a narrative, those evil globalists! | ||
| Yep, but when he does it himself, it's just being shrewd. | ||
| Hey, we're smart as fuck out here, buddy. | ||
| Can't not think about Larry Nichols blackmailing Congress on air in terms of, eh, it's fine. | ||
| It's fine if we do it. | ||
| Obviously, it's sloppy as hell for CBS to not vet this interview and present it how they did. | ||
| And it's profoundly unethical for Will Johnson to not identify himself so his interview could be taken in its proper context. | ||
| As it stands, his behavior amounts to misrepresenting himself by omission in order to inject Infowars talking points into another network's coverage, which normal journalists would not do. | ||
| But this is the thing. | ||
| Alex and everyone at Infowars knows full well by this point that, taken in their proper context, they will always be ignored, laughed at, or yelled at. | ||
| That's why Alex tells people to misrepresent themselves when they're out doing interviews by using non-Infowars mics, pretending you don't work at Infowars, because he knows that no one presenting themselves as an Infowars employee will ever be taken seriously by normal people. | ||
| They will never be able to conduct an interview because everyone knows their brand is shit. | ||
| Alex is keenly aware of this. | ||
| But seems to think there's virtue in baking deceit into all of his field pieces, which is a really bad sign. | ||
| If you're a reporter in the field and you misrepresent who you work for because you know that your interview subject would respond differently to you if they knew who you worked for, anything that takes place in that interview is tainted. | ||
| It's taking place under false pretenses. | ||
| And that's fine with Alex because he can't do anything else anymore. | ||
| Even Jay Leno's man on the street interviews, the guy was like, I'm from Jay Leno. | ||
| Like, they know that if you're on Jay Leno as a man on the street interview, you're going to look like an idiot. | ||
| That's just how, even then, they're like, yeah, sure, I'll give an interview with you guys or whatever. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, when Owen went to disrupt the impeachment hearing inquiry, he got arrested, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because that's what happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In this next clip, they complain about people who interrupted the Kavanaugh hearing and how they didn't get arrested. | ||
| Didn't they get arrested? | ||
| We'll talk about it. | ||
| I love how you tweeted out on the Owen Schroeder Twitter. | ||
| A London Guardian article where they were lying about Kavanaugh last year, how valiant it was. | ||
| Women fight back. | ||
| It's so wonderful. | ||
| But when you did, it's disruptive and evil and bad. | ||
| Yeah, and... | ||
| Well, I don't necessarily want to get into some of the logistics of the legal battle that I may be encroaching on right now. | ||
| But, you know, I was arrested. | ||
| I was sent to jail. | ||
| They weren't. | ||
| Why am I such a criminal? | ||
| You know, I was perfectly cooperative. | ||
| I didn't even try to... | ||
| Oh, they stayed five times longer than you. | ||
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| And they weren't arrested. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| And by the way... | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Good point, Dan. | ||
| First things first, good to see that the crushing bias against conservatives on Twitter somehow hasn't affected Owen fucking Schroyer still having an account, which is verified, by the way. | ||
| He didn't retweet Boris Johnson's Election Day tweet, though, so... | ||
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Who cares? | |
| If you do literally any research at all, you'll find a lot of people were arrested for protesting the Kavanaugh hearings. | ||
| Emma Goldberg wrote about her experience getting arrested for disrupting the hearing in a piece in USA Today. | ||
| On September 4th, 2018, it was reported by Politico that the police announced they had arrested approximately two dozen protesters, and ultimately that number would reach 70 arrests that day, among them Linda Sarsour and actress Piper Perabo. | ||
| Or you can find articles in the Washington Post about protests against the confirmation process leading to 128 arrests at the Capitol building on September 24th. | ||
| Oh, and then there's an article you can easily find in The Guardian about how on October 4th, over 300 protesters engaged in a sit-in to oppose the impending vote for confirmation were all arrested. | ||
| I just don't get it. | ||
| No Muslim leaders are out here condemning these radical Islamic attacks. | ||
| There's just none of them. | ||
| A whole lot of people were arrested in Kavanaugh-related protests, including people, mostly women, who disrupted the hearing. | ||
| So that raises the question... | ||
| Why are Alex and Owen just sitting here lying and saying that these people weren't arrested? | ||
| Well, they feel like they weren't arrested. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| It feels like these women weren't arrested to Alex. | ||
| His opinion is that that didn't happen because it doesn't fit with his worldview. | ||
| So, it's then reported as fact that these women had no consequences for what they did, whereas his noble upstanding son, Owen, was so unfairly treated for being a patriot. | ||
| This is legitimately how the sausage is made. | ||
| By lying. | ||
| Fucking Gene Fonda is out here getting arrested. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What are you talking about, nobody? | ||
| Fuck you, Schroyer. | ||
| Engaging in civil disobedience requires a certain amount of acceptance of risks. | ||
| If you're going to disrupt a congressional hearing, you need to prepare yourself that you might get arrested. | ||
| That's just the possible cost of engaging in the conduct you feel is morally necessary. | ||
| And if you believe that, you'll accept the punishment and carry on the fight. | ||
| If you're doing it for a publicity stunt, you'll probably do what Owen and Alex are doing here. | ||
| You'll pretend it's an outrage you got arrested. | ||
| You'll lie that no one else gets arrested for this. | ||
| And you'll try to get as much attention for yourself out of it, as opposed to keeping attention squarely on the matter that your civil disobedience was supposed to highlight. | ||
| For instance, you don't remember that Piper Perabo was arrested in the Kavanaugh hearings? | ||
| Because she didn't make it about herself. | ||
| Alex hates Linda Sarsour. | ||
| And he doesn't even remember that she got arrested. | ||
| He doesn't remember because they kept attention squarely on the protest. | ||
| As opposed to this being self-aggrandizing bullshit. | ||
| Put simply, Alex and Owen are children who create completely fictional realities which they present as factual because the lies better conform to their feelings than reality does. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| If my reality is this, I feel good. | ||
| And if it's not, I feel bad. | ||
| So just because reality is different from that doesn't mean I'm going to get in the way of me feeling good. | ||
| It feels good. | ||
| Feels good! | ||
| I would rather feel good than bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this entire Owen interview seems to be mostly an excuse to end up playing a video of a guy yelling at Joe Biden about his son's actions in Ukraine and about how Trump is innocent. | ||
| Then he yells Infowars.com. | ||
| Owen and Alex revel in this celebratory laughs and talk about how this is a big victory and a total slam dunk. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| Because people are going out there and they're confronting these politicians. | ||
| They seem to be acting like this is completely organic and natural. | ||
| Like people out there just out of their own accord are showing up and yelling Infowars at politicians because Infowars is so successful and so real. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But unfortunately. | ||
| I listened to Alex's show. | ||
| And thus, I recall how on September 29th, 2019, Alex got on air and made a big deal out of telling his listeners to go to Democratic candidate events and do exactly this. | ||
| He talked about how in the past, with the Bill Clinton is a Rapist contest, he paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars to people that got on the news plugging InfoWars. | ||
| And he couldn't afford to do that now, but the implication was still there that he would reward people who got him the optics he wanted. | ||
| At very least, you'd have to expect to get to be a guest on his show if you did what Alex wanted. | ||
| I mean, he's had that 30-year-old guy who sued his parents for kicking him out of the house on more than once. | ||
| Yeah, the bar is real low. | ||
| Very low. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This underlies another super unethical thing that Alex does as it relates to presenting the truth. | ||
| He interferes with the stories he's pretending to report. | ||
| You cannot possibly report on a story like guy yells info wars at Joe Biden when you've explicitly told your viewers to go yell info wars at people like Joe Biden. | ||
| Unless you make clear that this person is doing the yelling, they were directly told to do this by your show. | ||
| Alex's actions are the root of this story. | ||
| So him presenting it as a grassroots citizen yelling Infowars at Biden is completely disingenuous. | ||
| This person yelling at Joe is tainted because Alex has made it super clear many times in the past that getting Infowars.com in the plug is part of the condition of payment, as it was the case in the Bill Clinton contest. | ||
| It's part of the Infowars universe. | ||
| All of his listeners know that if you're going to do something like this, Alex will promote it if you promote him. | ||
| It's a reciprocal thing and not ignorantly. | ||
| Can you imagine if fucking... | ||
| Presenter at CNN just started going like, yeah, so next week we'd really like to cover a war, so if somebody could start a war for us, that way we'll have the coverage that we want. | ||
| We've already got some groundwork laid down. | ||
| Doesn't matter who starts the war, let's just do that. | ||
| That example might be too extreme, but yeah, it's the same behavior. | ||
| I would ask you to tone that down and scale a little bit. | ||
| Well, well. | ||
| I recognize that it's dumb of me to expect good work from these dudes, but these things... | ||
| What are they, Barnes? | ||
| Things like employees misrepresenting themselves and failing to acknowledge how they are the cause of the stories they're reporting, these are fundamentals. | ||
| No organization that's willing to engage in those kinds of basic malpractice can be trusted with anything they do. | ||
| These are bedrock issues. | ||
| You should have to go to Journalism Marxist Brainwashing School for this. | ||
| It could help. | ||
| Man, that's 101 shit at Marxist journalism brainwashing. | ||
| I saw a few things like CNN should have done more vetting and I got that, but no self-respecting journalist would not be like, hey, I work for The Guardian and then we can still do the interview. | ||
| It's insane to me that he just lied to them and people are... | ||
| It made me uncomfortable. | ||
| When we learned that Adan Salazar, one of Alex's producers, was following us on Twitter because I was worried about the effect that our existence could have on the product that we're covering. | ||
| And we're not journalists. | ||
| We consider that. | ||
| And Alex is flagrantly dismissive of it because it works better for him. | ||
| So Alex gets into... | ||
| This is just sort of a shitty setup for a plug. | ||
| There's no way the globalists can win if their systems are challenged. | ||
| That's why they bring in the political correctness, which is really just authoritarianism, to shut down speech. | ||
| But it's not working. | ||
| It's going the same course it always has. | ||
| They thought because they got a bunch of fancy, high-tech systems and they're trying to take people's bank accounts away that we're like Communist China, that it's going to work here. | ||
| Communist China is on the verge of collapse. | ||
| This is not going to go well if good men and women stand up and say no. | ||
| And if you fund our operation, you know, that's the only weak link here. | ||
| See, this is so explicit. | ||
| Good men and women, like your ancestors did in the Revolutionary War, you stand up by paying me money. | ||
| Also, by the way, 12 days of Christmas sale currently going on. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me. | ||
| Brain force! | ||
| On the second day of Christmas, my true love gave to me krill oil. | ||
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Krill oil gives you the burpees. | |
| Whichever one is cocaine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| That's so stupid. | ||
| So, interestingly, I mean, we have a lot of conversation on this episode, mostly because of Owen Schreuer being on, of these stunts that they've been doing lately. | ||
| And in this next clip, Alex makes it clear that they've paid off, sort of. | ||
| We've probably had triple the traffic the last week that we've had in the last six months. | ||
| That is not translated into any extra sales at InfoWarsStore.com. | ||
| Because new listeners come through, they watch, they listen. | ||
| Okay, it's interesting. | ||
| But it's the hardcore fans that buy the products that literally do all of this. | ||
| So what's the most important part, let's say, in a bulldozer running over the globalist? | ||
| The treads, the wheels, the engine, the scoop on the front. | ||
| It's all very important. | ||
| But the fuel. | ||
| It's paramount, and that's my allegory. | ||
| So, Alex's traffic tripling now is so much smaller than it would have been in the past. | ||
| Like, when we were going over the Boston bombing period, his traffic doubling and... | ||
| Multiplying by ten back then is a gigantic number. | ||
| In this case, it's probably just some people who are like, hey, Owen Schreuer interrupted the, let's go see what this fucking dude is up to. | ||
| We went from 25,000 hits to 75,000 hits. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Maybe not that small, but something like that. | ||
| It's not millions. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| And it's not people who are interested in what he's doing now. | ||
| It's a curiosity. | ||
| Yeah, let's see what this spectacle is all about. | ||
| And he can't translate that into any money. | ||
| No. | ||
| Which is really encouraging. | ||
| That's actually very encouraging to me. | ||
| It would make just as much sense for him to put a bowl out and have people put tips in there every time they clicked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this tells me, at least on some level, that the thing that Alex can work towards, which is getting more people to watch him. | ||
| Through publicity stunts, doing all these sorts of things, it doesn't work. | ||
| Doesn't translate into his business surviving. | ||
| And again, that's only taking his word for it. | ||
| Who knows what the reality is. | ||
| But based on what he's saying... | ||
| It feels true. | ||
| It feels like there probably aren't a lot of options left for what he can do to right the ship. | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
| His entire career, attention equals money. | ||
| And now, no matter how much attention he gets, the money stays the same. | ||
| So he just doesn't understand the math here. | ||
| No, that just means that I need more attention. | ||
| And it's like, that's not how it works anymore. | ||
| No. | ||
| Attention no longer equals money for you. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, speaking of attention, Alex has Zach the whistleblower on. | ||
| And I'll say that this clip is a really good... | ||
| Sort of boil down of why this dude is real dumb. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| Google whistleblower Zach Voorhees is on to talk about vaccine research he's done. | ||
| Oh, you were telling me about an article in Breitbart. | ||
| Every piece of that sentence is stupid. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We've got you here to talk about an article on Breitbart you read and I didn't. | ||
| Let's hear some brilliant analysis about somebody else's bullshit. | ||
| This is one of the more convoluted paths that I've ever seen somebody walk on Alex's show. | ||
| So it starts with voting issues. | ||
| It then gets into abortion. | ||
| And then it comes back to voting issues. | ||
| Are David Bowie and Jennifer Connelly going to show up because this is a labyrinth? | ||
| I had to take a walk around the apartment after I got through a couple of these clips. | ||
| I was just like, oh, holy shit. | ||
| All right, I'll do my best to track it. | ||
| It's one of those things where you think someone's really dumb and then you keep listening and you're like, I overestimated you. | ||
| So here's the first clip. | ||
| And now there's a lawsuit that says, hey, look, Detroit, you're using dead people to vote. | ||
| And their response is not that, no, we're not. | ||
| They're saying, no, that's racist for you to even think that that's happening. | ||
| It's a direct attack on people of color. | ||
| It's like, come on. | ||
| Why is accusing them of voting dead people to vote a direct attack on people of color? | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| So look into it. | ||
| So when I say that Zach is really not that smart, I'm mostly talking about his inability to properly assess information and express it. | ||
| Because the level at which he seems to be able to do that is startling because he's an adult. | ||
| Although it does kind of go a long way toward explaining why he thought those documents he gave Project Veritas meant anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just doesn't understand much. | ||
| So the suit that he's talking about in Detroit has nothing to do with any proof of someone ever voting in a dead person's name. | ||
| It has to do with there being a lot of dead people still on the voter rolls. | ||
| It's less a problem of any kind of actual voter fraud and more an issue of shoddy record keeping. | ||
| This is true in probably every city in the country. | ||
| Yeah, most likely. | ||
| These databases are really hard to maintain, and if the political capital that Alex and Zach want to expend on this is solely an initiative in order to make sure dead people aren't on voter rolls, then by all means, they should make that their primary issue. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be fine with that. | ||
| I don't think anyone's going to ever contest that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except for people who don't want to put the money into that because they just don't. | ||
| And Alex and him probably wouldn't want that anyway, because that's funding a government bureaucracy or some shit. | ||
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But here's the issue. | |
| That's not their issue. | ||
| The actual real-world concern is that there are poorly updated voter rolls, which in no way proves that people are voting in dead people's names. | ||
| In order to remedy this issue, these people, like Alex and Zach, So when that's the sort of solution you have to a completely unrelated problem... | ||
| It makes sense that it seems like you might be less interested in the real problem and more interested in justifying your actual goal, which is voter disenfranchisement. | ||
| I think you might have just answered Zach's question at the end of there. | ||
| Maybe! | ||
| He didn't understand it. | ||
| It didn't make sense to him now. | ||
| Now, I assume, after you explaining it using reality, he will change his mind. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But honestly, I don't really know if it is actual confusion or... | ||
| False confusion for performance. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Zach, I don't know. | ||
| He really could just be incapable of comprehension. | ||
| And that's borne out by these clips. | ||
| Because he gets on to another story. | ||
| Like I said, it pivots to abortion. | ||
| I wasn't sure why. | ||
| It seemed out of left field. | ||
| Also, there's an interesting story that my friend dug up where he discovered that if certain aborted children in California Don't have to be issued a death certificate. | ||
| And they're, yeah, this is true. | ||
| This is true. | ||
| So, I don't believe for a second that the small government, anti-bureaucracy world of Infowars is really concerned with a fucking government requiring more paperwork. | ||
| It's pretty hard to imagine that they're taking issue with some abortions now requiring death certificates because they're super into death certificates. | ||
| And the requirements... | ||
| Oh, we love paperwork! | ||
| In reality, I believe that this is just an attempt to frame the opposite side of a conservative initiative. | ||
| There are Republicans currently trying to pass a bunch of bills that would make accessing reproductive health care more burdensome on people. | ||
| Particularly, there's one in Pennsylvania that's being discussed right now. | ||
| Many people interpret this just being purely based on trying to create subtle punishment for things like abortions. | ||
| The bill in Pennsylvania would require burial or cremation for all fetal remains and would require death certificates in all cases, even including miscarriages. | ||
| These sorts of measures don't do anything. | ||
| They don't provide better health care. | ||
| They don't serve anyone's interests. | ||
| But they do create expenses for people seeking reproductive health care and make things like an abortion way more costly. | ||
| Because if you don't do the things that you're required to do based on this bill, you could be hit up with a fine, up to like $300, as I've read. | ||
| It does feel like so many of these people are like, well, all of our ideas are unpopular and stupid. | ||
| How about instead we punish the poor into the behavior that we want them to have? | ||
| How about we financially destroy people who act the way we don't want them to? | ||
| These sorts of measures really only exist to punish, so the best way to frame the discussion is to not talk about those bills like that. | ||
| It's to say, hey, did you know that some places don't require death certificates for abortions? | ||
| And then feign outrage about it. | ||
| These dudes don't give a fuck about death certificates. | ||
| They're just looking for whatever Trojan horse they can use to attack reproductive rights. | ||
| Or at least, that's how people generally use this sort of rhetoric. | ||
| I should have known better, and that Zach would have a theory about this that would out-stupid anything I've ever heard, and of course he does. | ||
| Certain aborted children in California don't have to be issued a death certificate. | ||
| Yeah, this is true. | ||
| This is true. | ||
| And there is this theory of, well, why would they do that? | ||
| is it because they are registering to vote as Democrats 18 years later? | ||
| Ah! | ||
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Wow. | |
| Oh! | ||
| That is the long con, Dan! | ||
| That is the game right there! | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| That's pretty nuts. | ||
| Holy shit, Dan! | ||
| Does he think that all of the dead people who are on the voter rolls don't have death certificates for them? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| Does he think every aborted fetus has a name? | ||
| This is... | ||
| That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. | ||
| It's staggeringly dumb. | ||
| That is incredible. | ||
| It's impressively stupid. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Because that makes no sense. | ||
| If you are capable of putting yourself into anybody else's brain, that thought would never occur to them. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, I get it. | ||
| Here's why they're not issuing death certificates. | ||
| So in 20 years, they'll be able to fake vote. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That makes... | ||
| Perfect sense, Dan. | ||
| When did they start doing that? | ||
| Are they only starting the program now? | ||
| You get to a certain level where you just like, I can't talk to you. | ||
| I can't believe Alex doesn't end the interview after that ridiculous theory. | ||
| And not just that, he goes, ah, ooh, that's a new one. | ||
| He doesn't push back on it either. | ||
| No, no, no, not at all. | ||
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Of course, that makes sense. | |
| I... | ||
| But that means that there would have to be a really complicated log of something with staggered dates where people would be available. | ||
| The infrastructure on that plan costs more than the death certificate plan. | ||
| I just don't know. | ||
| When I hear stuff like that, I'm like, I can't imagine listening to this show and these things not being gigantic. | ||
| Gigantic red flags. | ||
| Gigantic wake-up calls. | ||
| You hear Alex not treat someone like that as if they are dangerously insane. | ||
| I don't know how you can just think like, oh yeah, Alex has got a good head on his shoulders. | ||
| He thinks this guy's worth talking to. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I don't think that physical violence is the answer, but my first, like if I'm going to go through the steps of how I would deal with this, if he said this to me in person, just like... | ||
| At a bar or something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He says that and I'm going to start laughing like a lunatic. | ||
| And then he's going to stare at me weirdly because he believes it's true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to recognize he believes it's true. | ||
| And then I'm going to go, no. | ||
| And my first instinct will be like, the only way to solve this problem is with a slap. | ||
| But then I'll just walk away. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| There's nothing to say to that. | ||
| The problem is, too, he was a software engineer or software person at Google for eight years. | ||
| You kind of got to assume he went to Marxist brainwashing camp. | ||
| Some sort of Marxist brainwashing camp. | ||
| I don't know what kind of education is going to help this one. | ||
| You can teach yourself to code. | ||
| A lot of people teach themselves to code. | ||
| I'm assuming. | ||
| That's... | ||
| This guy is... | ||
| That's staggering. | ||
| This guy's a mess. | ||
| That's staggering. | ||
| So he thinks that there's these real problems with voting. | ||
| And he has an interesting example of voting done right. | ||
| We should look to Iraq to really know how to vote. | ||
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What? | |
| Because they got it down cold. | ||
| They take your finger, you dip it in ink after you vote, and then you can only put your finger in ink once, and that's it. | ||
| Does your finger have ink on it? | ||
| Sorry you can't vote anymore, you know? | ||
| You know, notoriously not full of voting problems, Iraq. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't think you could top it. | ||
| I definitely thought you would have to do some work to top maybe their voting in 18 years under aborted fetuses' names. | ||
| But we should follow Iraq's example and you can only dip your finger in ink once is a boy. | ||
| I mean, this guy, he is like a pinata that's just never empty. | ||
| There's always a little bit of candy left in there. | ||
| You just keep shaking him and whoa. | ||
| He has another thought here about voting. | ||
| I'm scared. | ||
| Now in California, now in Oregon, you don't have to come in to vote. | ||
| You can send in a mail-in ballot. | ||
| And whenever I see a state instituting a mail-in ballot, I realize, okay, this is paving the way for massive election fraud that's going to come in. | ||
| That's two plus two equals four, which is racist. | ||
| Absentee voting in and of itself is proof of intention to commit voter fraud, according to this guy who believes that aborted fetuses are voting and that Iraq's system is the way to go. | ||
| Zach, in two seconds, this is how long it took me to think of this. | ||
| So you think voters, you think military people and U.S. citizens overseas should not be allowed to vote? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Okay, well then we're done here. | ||
| Goodbye. | ||
| Or what about people who are like, you know, bedridden or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, nope. | ||
| Shouldn't be able to vote. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Only able-bodied people. | ||
| We should also institute a poll tax. | ||
| And boy, how many other ways to be racist can we? | ||
| I mean, what about people who just have schedules? | ||
| Such that they can't take the time to go to vote, but they want to vote. | ||
| You should offer that option to people. | ||
| There are ways to do it that are super controllable. | ||
| This is... | ||
| I don't even have a response. | ||
| This is so poorly thought through. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, this is... | ||
| Thank God this guy has researched vaccines. | ||
| I'm waiting for Zach to be like, a lot of people on the left want to make voting day an official holiday, and I think we should institute a 23 and a half hour work day on there, mandatory, to make sure that everybody votes on time. | ||
| Yeah, you have to prove you want it. | ||
| Yeah, we get a lunch break. | ||
| Also, all crime is legal for 24 hours. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| So, look, dude, this dude is a mess. | ||
| He's bananas. | ||
| There are... | ||
| If we'd encountered him two years ago, he might be up there with my favorite crazies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He might be someone who I'm like... | ||
| He might be a Hamamoto. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| In a different context whenever everybody's not a white supremacist at the end of this. | ||
| And I didn't know that he believed in a Zog. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe I could see this through different eyes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But for now, I'm tired. | ||
| This could have been our original... | ||
| Guy with the telescope right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm world-weary. | ||
| And now Zach does not charm me in the way he might have before. | ||
| Nothing surprises me in 2019. | ||
| And I want to tell you, Zach, I'm sorry. | ||
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I could have really enjoyed you in the past. | |
| But now I think you suck. | ||
| You're the dumbest person. | ||
| I've just never heard of anything this stupid before. | ||
| But you haven't heard his feelings on vaccines. | ||
| He does not! | ||
| I have more feelings. | ||
| His opinions are done. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He has feelings about vaccines. | ||
| How is Alex even responding to this with a straight face? | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| Because Zach was in a Project Veritas video and has a little bit of celebrity to him, and Alex wants to see if we can work with it. | ||
| So he's going to talk vaccines. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Alex has the vaccine insert, right? | ||
| His big, foldy piece of paper that he thinks proves all of his narratives. | ||
| Yeah, he's going to pull a computer chip out of it on Tuesday, right? | ||
| They talk about potential side effects for vaccines. | ||
| I don't think anyone's denying any of those things exist, as they do with all medicine. | ||
| But Alex thinks he's found a slam dunk in the insert. | ||
| And if you listen to him read this, he accidentally contradicts his entire narrative and then tries to just laugh. | ||
| As if he hasn't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Death from various, and in some cases, unknown causes has been reported rarely following vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines. | ||
| However, a causal relationship has not been established in healthy individuals. | ||
| See contradictions. | ||
| Contraindications. | ||
| No death or permanent... | ||
| What does that say? | ||
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Permanent... | |
| Sequilly. | ||
| Sequilly. | ||
| Reported in the published post-marketing surveillance study in Finland involving 1.5 million children and adults who were vaccinated with MMR. | ||
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Whoops. | |
| Oh, but don't worry. | ||
| Oh, that was back in 1982. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| Great save. | ||
| Great save. | ||
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He just saw the word death and started talking. | |
| Is there an infection in Infowars today? | ||
| Is that what's going on? | ||
| Did somebody forget to take their vaccines or something? | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| It's spreading. | ||
| It's spreading. | ||
| I mean, this is what happens when you have a flimsy-ass argument and you think you have the proof and you have no familiarity with the proof that you're trying to present. | ||
| You end up reading something stray. | ||
| In there. | ||
| And if you're unlucky, like Alex just was, you will end up reading how this literally is saying the opposite of what you're trying to present. | ||
| So that's good. | ||
| Now, Zach, though he is not an expert in any of this. | ||
| In anything. | ||
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He did get a vaccine one time. | |
| Good for him. | ||
| And he has some feelings about it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| While I was working at Google, I decided that I wanted to get vaccinated. | ||
| Against HPV. | ||
| Who wouldn't? | ||
| Right? | ||
| You take a shot and all of a sudden there's one less thing to worry about. | ||
| And then after getting the shot, I started getting kind of sick, like headachy, started getting like the flu a lot. | ||
| And now in retrospect, what I suspect is that I suspect that the vaccine was a contributing factor. | ||
| And I suspect this because of all the poisons that are in these vaccines. | ||
| That's your feeling on it. | ||
| What's your definition of getting the flu a lot? | ||
| I suspect this. | ||
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This means nothing. | |
| And that's a whole lot of what they present. | ||
| Alex is like, my uncle got a tetanus shot and he didn't like it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| At least this is baseline stupid. | ||
| This isn't way out in the we should follow Iraq's example for voting stratosphere. | ||
| Yeah, it's mostly anecdotal stuff that is like, okay, I don't know your uncle, Alex. | ||
| I don't know if you're telling the truth about this, and even if you are, it doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Okay, Alex, you just read a thing saying there was a study done with 1.5 million healthy children that showed no causal connection between that stuff, and then you presented as evidence against it. | ||
| Your uncle didn't like a tetanus shot. | ||
| And Zach got a Gardasil vaccine and suspects something. | ||
| So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I'm gonna trust the big one. | ||
| But this is how this stuff works. | ||
| This is how stuff like Alex works. | ||
| And why that feeling aspect is so dangerous is because what he's doing is he's appealing to people's parts of the brain that work on narrative and they work on story. | ||
| So the story that may or may not be true of Alex's uncle getting a shot. | ||
| And being like, oh, I got hurt by it. | ||
| That is more compelling than this study of 1.5 million people. | ||
| Well, you can wrap your head around, oh, I know somebody who's gotten a shot before and maybe I think they did act a little strange. | ||
| That's the part of the brain that's being hijacked. | ||
| Now, like I said, Zach is dumb. | ||
| And here he shows himself to also be dumb in the field of vaccines. | ||
| Ever know anyone with a peanut allergy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you know why? | ||
| That that peanut allergy happened? | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Stop right there. | ||
| They were using peanut oil as an adjuvant for vaccines. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And now they've stopped, and now the peanut allergies have gone way down. | ||
| And that's why, ooh, you eat a peanut, it almost kills you. | ||
| Yeah, no one talks about it. | ||
| I mean, I did know the answer, but I didn't want to steal the punchline. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, but hey, what's wrong with the dying from peanut allergy? | ||
| It's liberal. | ||
| So Alex knew the answer to that question, but he didn't want to steal that. | ||
| Hey, I don't want to steal your thunder. | ||
| Zach is very dumb. | ||
| There's a narrative in anti-vax circles that is very common, that peanut oil was used in vaccines as an adjuvant, and this explains peanut allergies. | ||
| That sounds pretty out there, but it's very common in that world. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every single instance of this narrative popping up traces back to one source. | ||
| There may be a bunch of books that make the claim, and there may be a ton of websites repeating it, but if they had to produce their concrete source on it, it would all point to one single thing. | ||
| There's an article in the New York Times from 1964 that they're misrepresenting. | ||
| The article does mention that there were clinical trials being done by Merck that involved vaccines with a peanut oil-based adjuvant in it. | ||
| But the article in no way demonstrates that these trials resulted in the product being approved for human or even non-human use. | ||
| This article... | ||
| As well as another from 1966 about a public discussion of the clinical trial are presented in the book The Peanut Allergy Epidemic by a woman named Heather Frazier, which is the source Zach probably thinks he's citing here. | ||
| Very popular book in these circles. | ||
| Snopes looked into the claims about the peanut oil adjuvant being used in vaccines given to the public, and Frazier, the author of this book, replied to them, quote, Adjuvant 65-4, which is the peanut oil one, was never licensed for use in the United States. | ||
| I did not mean to suggest that this adjuvant was used outside of clinical trials in the United States. | ||
| This person who wrote the book even says that peanut oil adjuvant wasn't used outside of these clinical trials, and yet the narrative persists because it makes sense. | ||
| It feels right. | ||
| I hate these people so much. | ||
| It feels like it makes sense. | ||
| I hate them so much. | ||
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| It feels right. | ||
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It makes the narrative sense. | |
| I'm not saying that that's against the law. | ||
| There should be a law. | ||
| Zach is just repeating complete bullshit. | ||
| He probably read on natural news. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is allowing this because this accurately depicts how they feel that vaccines work. | ||
| None of this is real. | ||
| It's all nonsense. | ||
| When it's a public health risk, shouldn't there be some sort of FCC, like we'll send them a couple letters of like, clearly this is false content, please take this down. | ||
| We got plenty of time. | ||
| We're not angry with you. | ||
| Maybe you didn't know. | ||
| Maybe this wasn't malicious. | ||
| I don't know how you do that, but it feels like you should. | ||
| There's got to be something, because that's just evil. | ||
| That's just evil. | ||
| That's killing people with dumb bullshit lies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's not much, really, in terms of the meat about the vaccine stuff that Zach has researched. | ||
| That's not a surprise to me. | ||
| There is a lot of peanut, but not a lot of meat. | ||
| Not a lot of meat. | ||
| It's really dumb. | ||
| So, they talk about this, like, there's riffing. | ||
| Like, about how vaccines are evil. | ||
| Just making stuff up. | ||
| Coming up with a stray conspiracy fact here, conspiracy fact there. | ||
| And then Alex talks about how he's not allowed back on Rogan anymore because he'll say stuff like this. | ||
| You know, I'm not allowed back on right now because it was the number one podcast he ever did. | ||
| Was your interview? | ||
| Yeah, they had a big article out the other day. | ||
| It's like, number one he's ever done? | ||
| It's confirmed, but just I'm not allowed. | ||
| When you're number one, you're not allowed to be on air. | ||
| You understand how that works, folks? | ||
| Because we'll tell you, read the vaccine inserts. | ||
| I mean, just don't believe me. | ||
| It's right here. | ||
| Small point, Alex's second appearance on Rogan's show does have 16 million views, and it's his second most popular episode. | ||
| Rogan's interview with Elon Musk has 28 million views, which is way more than 16. Yeah, you do that regularly. | ||
| The law of diminishing returns with that kind of a show is instant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're talking about these vaccines, right? | ||
| And they go to commercial. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For vaccines. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| They took a nutty vaccine, and I'm not talking about peanut oil edge of it. | ||
| I'm talking about Cuckoo. | ||
| Cuckoo bananas guy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They come back from commercial break. | ||
| I don't even know how to set this up. | ||
| They start talking about cannibalism. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't feel like this relates to the surrounding context of anything. | ||
| But Alex just starts talking about cannibalism. | ||
| I regret to inform you, Jordan, Alex Jones is kind of pro-cannibalism. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I actually thought that was going to be the case. | ||
| We were just talking, Zach Voorhees and myself, about different Pentagon studies they've done in situations. | ||
| In about 10 days of no food, most people become cannibals. | ||
| About 80% become cannibals. | ||
| The other 20% usually commit suicide. | ||
| And so, yeah, your kids are starving to death. | ||
| I wouldn't go out and grab other groups of people and then eat them. | ||
| But I'm just being honest. | ||
| We're talking about the lizard brain kicking in the lower brain. | ||
| I'm just being honest. | ||
| Let's say a raiding party comes to your house, tries to eat you during a collapse, and you haven't eaten in about a week and a half. | ||
| They're trying to eat you. | ||
| I'm not going to go out and eat children and stuff, but I'll just gun these guys down, and then I'm going to eat them. | ||
| What are they talking about? | ||
| Alex is a cannibalism apologist. | ||
| I think I used all of my laughs on Zach's first clip. | ||
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When the show took this turn, I... | |
| I didn't know what to do with myself. | ||
| It's like, okay. | ||
| Did you look into the exact numbers of how people adjusted? | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Adjusted capitalists? | ||
| No, I don't care. | ||
| This isn't true. | ||
| What study is somebody doing? | ||
| Okay, here's my plan. | ||
| Pentagon did studies. | ||
| Let's starve people for 10 days. | ||
| It's like the Stanford prison experiment, but with cannibalism. | ||
| Well, it was 1.5 million people in 1982. | ||
| They found that... | ||
| 80% of them wound up eating the 20% that killed themselves, and everybody was fine. | ||
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The only people who really got boned were the 20% that killed themselves. | |
| If this study existed, it would never be not talked about. | ||
| It would be against the law. | ||
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Yeah, it would be a crime! | |
| It would be one of the biggest scandals. | ||
| In human history. | ||
| How much does it take to turn people into cannibals? | ||
| Ten days! | ||
| Well, the great thing is you're torturing people for the study. | ||
| And the end result of it is either they commit suicide or they eat each other. | ||
| Yes, and if there's one thing I know, it's that the ethics in scientific research is such that that's okay. | ||
| That's just okay. | ||
| It's all for the pursuit of science, Dan. | ||
| And if there's one thing that I know, It's that Alex would fucking eat kids. | ||
| Oh yeah, he would totally eat kids. | ||
| He's pretending he's got this moral line. | ||
| Oh no, I would never. | ||
| I mean, if the kid was in the raiding party, I'm only cannibal. | ||
| I would only eat self-defense. | ||
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I know! | |
| He's only a cannibal in self-defense? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| That's not a thing! | ||
| Stupid. | ||
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God. | |
| There is such a joy to listening to Infowars when this happens. | ||
| Like, I hate this show so much. | ||
| And listening to Paul be a fucking idiot and not be able to make an analogy, listening to Owen Troyer pretend that he is, like, the innovative showman of the century creating new genres, listening to Zach be completely dull and dumb, like, that's all... | ||
| Par for the course. | ||
| But then, three hours into the show, hey man, you know what? | ||
| I'll eat a raiding party. | ||
| I'll just be honest. | ||
| I will eat people. | ||
| It's almost presented as a... | ||
| He's reluctant to say it. | ||
| No, he's not reluctant to tell you. | ||
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He's not reluctant. | |
| He thinks that you can't handle it. | ||
| It's almost like, let's all grow up. | ||
| Come on, guys. | ||
| We need people. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It's just us here now. | ||
| We can all just admit to ourselves. | ||
| We need people. | ||
| And some of us have, you know... | ||
| It's a thing that we can all relate to as something we did or would do. | ||
| It also really calls into question what other fundamental human taboos Alex would break in, you know, the collapse. | ||
| If you're willing to, let's say, eat humans as opposed to forage? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or something? | ||
| I'm going to tell you right now. | ||
| If there's one bad guy that I know Alex identifies with, it would be a Mortan Joe from Mad Max Fury Road. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No doubt in my mind that he's like, that's the guy. | ||
| We're drinking breast milk. | ||
| I'm loving it. | ||
| Eating people. | ||
| The poor are going to starve to death. | ||
| I'm all about it. | ||
| So this isn't the only thing Alex has to say about cannibalism. | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| Is there more? | ||
| There is more. | ||
| Can you imagine the discussion around that? | ||
| They're like, well, you know. | ||
| We ate three days ago, but this guy's dead. | ||
| In ten days, it's probably going to spoil. | ||
| So even though we're not hungry, we should probably eat now. | ||
| Remember the mutiny on the bounty? | ||
| That's a true story. | ||
| It was the furthest open-air navigation by a small boat all the way across the Pacific. | ||
| They all said in the logs that, oh, we sustained ourselves off one bird we caught. | ||
| No, they ate the dudes. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What? | ||
| They ate the few guys. | ||
| You're just saying that? | ||
| Because one guy wrote his diary. | ||
| They said, hey, eat me when I die. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, yeah, that's, you know, I mean, come on, let's just be honest about it. | ||
| Let's just be honest. | ||
| I'll be honest, I didn't look into that because I don't care, but Alex really seems to be, like, no qualms about eating people. | ||
| No, he's fine with it. | ||
| He's ready for the apocalypse. | ||
| He has been preparing, and now it's time. | ||
| I don't remember Humphrey Bogart eating anybody in the movie, but I guess that must have been the case. | ||
| If you're so blase about eating people, why do you sell survival food? | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| We're going to eat people. | ||
| Dan, I will tell you the answer to why you sell survival food. | ||
| It's made of people. | ||
| I think that, like, okay, yes. | ||
| If put into that situation where it was, I'm going to die if I don't eat a person, like, let's say it's a... | ||
| Are we doing this? | ||
| Is this what we're doing now? | ||
| I want to draw an important comparison. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| And that is that put in that situation, I don't know what I would do, but there's a really decent chance I might. | ||
| But if I did, it would fuck me up forever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It would be one of the most horrifying things that I would have to do. | ||
| I'd probably never be able to deal with it. | ||
| I could never leave you alone, for sure. | ||
| Alex is presenting... | ||
| You would be on 24-hour suicide watch. | ||
| Alex is presenting this as, I grow up, what are these people? | ||
| You toss it aside. | ||
| It's no big thing. | ||
| He's a cannibal apologist. | ||
| No way. | ||
| No way. | ||
| I'm in the 20% all the way. | ||
| I have a hard time making it through the day, and I eat well. | ||
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| I think there's a decent chance that I would go that way as well. | ||
| What I'm expressing is that sitting here with you right now, I don't know what I would do in that circumstance. | ||
| There's a possibility, but I recognize it would be traumatic. | ||
| It's not traumatic in Alex's mind. | ||
| It's not weird. | ||
| It's inevitable. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You might as well get past it now. | ||
| Because it's going to happen. | ||
| So it's like you might as well deal with it preemptively. | ||
| Maybe there's something to that. | ||
| I think you're just not preparing yourself to eat somebody. | ||
| If Alex is embodying the end result of doing that preparation, I don't want it. | ||
| I'm looking up recipes right now on my phone. | ||
| I'm going to find a way to saute a person pretty well. | ||
| I wish you the best. | ||
| Sitting here right now with you, one accident and I'm eating you. | ||
| That's my rule. | ||
| So they have this cannibalism conversation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then it gets back to vaccines right at the end of the episode. | ||
| But first he's like, man, I'm starting to get real hungry right now. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Zach just turns into a roast. | ||
| Yeah, like a Looney Tunes cartoon. | ||
| So they talk about vaccines and Zach says something just like, come on, man. | ||
| This is so dumb. | ||
| Japan found out it was, and what, 15 years ago, banned children under two from getting vaccines. | ||
| You know, Japan's actually got it right. | ||
| I think that Zach should be made aware, and he might be surprised to learn this, that Japan is currently battling their largest measles outbreak in over a decade, which has been directly traced to people not being vaccinated. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think if he says they've got it right, then he has to explain this. | ||
| And they should adopt Iraq's voting policy as well. | ||
| I think that would be a great idea. | ||
| Everybody needs to dip their fingers. | ||
| Pretty soon Japan will be right all across the board. | ||
| This episode is a terrifying glimpse into this show. | ||
| Into the way these guys actually think. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| The amount of this that when viewed through the prism of like, he feels no obligation to say things that he can defend. | ||
| No. | ||
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When pressed on it, he does result under oath saying, a lot of it's me talking about my feelings. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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When looked through that prism, it does make a lot of sense. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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It's just never presented that way. | |
| No. | ||
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It's always presented as, I'm telling you things that are based on reality. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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And it's terrifying. | |
| Also, everyone around Alex is... | ||
| A different kind of loser that is just profoundly disappointing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson, Owen Troyer, this Zach fella, they're all just, just bummers. | ||
| It makes you want, like, because of the way that this feels to me, like, the show is very much like, we're riffing around, it's very personal, and it's very much like... | ||
| I'm bouncing stuff back and forth off of you. | ||
| Like, that's what it feels like to me. | ||
| Like, nobody's really paying attention kind of thing. | ||
| In Infowars? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It seems to me, like, how many of these guys, if you scratched them, you know, if these famous public commentators or congressmen or whomever, if you just, like, scratched them too far on one subject, how many of them would have some dumb belief? | ||
| Like, oh, I'll tell you right now. | ||
| They're not doing death certificates because they're voting 18 years from now. | ||
| How many of them are there? | ||
| I bet most of them aren't, because that's pretty far out. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's pretty fucked up to think that someone willing to espouse that belief would have access to a radio show that theoretically has a million listeners or whatever. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, like, in a certain level, I think part of it is just the unfamiliarity with that insane thing. | ||
| Which is why it feels so crazy to me. | ||
| Because I've never heard anybody say that before. | ||
| What? | ||
| The aborted fetuses are voting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've never heard that one before. | ||
| I think that the other thing, too, is that... | ||
| Alex clearly has not heard the aborted fetuses are voting theory either. | ||
| His response to it is kind of one of surprise. | ||
| And he feels no need to discuss it further. | ||
| Why do you think that? | ||
| What would you say? | ||
| He feels no responsibility to do anything to frame the presentation to his audience so they can take the information in in a better way. | ||
| He just allows it to be presented as like... | ||
| Hey, this Zach is a real credible guy, and here's the thought he has. | ||
| I mean, you have to... | ||
| That's very unhealthy. | ||
| The only reaction he can have has to be like, oh, because a human reaction is like, how? | ||
| Get out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get out. | ||
| Go ahead and explain how that works. | ||
| Go for it, Zach. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You have to go. | ||
| Give me a step-by-step plan on how that would... | ||
| Zach, I know the interview just started, but I gotta leave. | ||
| I gotta leave. | ||
| Alex, you have another hour left to do. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| You're hosting. | ||
| Zach, you did a great job. | ||
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Cut the cameras. | |
| I have quit, and we are turning the lights off, and I am burning down this facility with you inside of it. | ||
| Zach, I should tell you, I'm Bill Hicks, and I'm going back to comedy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| I need to protect the world from you, Zach. | ||
| I'm sorry this has to happen, but we're going to eat you now. | ||
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I haven't eaten in 10 days in preparation for this interview. | |
| Anyway, we'll be back, but until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do, it's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I feel like we have a Twitter. | ||
| I'm pretty sure we do, although it's not verifiable, but if it did, it would be at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. | ||
| Yeah, we're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook, and if you'd like to download the show, go to iTunes or whatever podcast app you use and leave a review, you know the shebang. | ||
| Yep, you do. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back, but until then. | ||
| I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I'm the fetus voter. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |