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Oct. 11, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#354: October 8-9, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at what's been going on in the present day on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, the gents find Alex having underwhelming responses to all manner of new stories. Also, Alex has some troubling ideas about receiving messages from God.

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alex jones
19:59
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dan friesen
51:12
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jordan holmes
23:35
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donald j trump
00:02
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joel skousen
00:48
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robert barnes
00:12
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alex jones
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding me.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge Fight.
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
When was the last time you unplugged?
dan friesen
Unplugged?
Like, uh...
jordan holmes
Like full-on?
Or whatever definition of unplugged that you feel comfortable with calling that definition?
dan friesen
That's a great question.
It's been too long.
jordan holmes
Uh, 92?
unidentified
Uh, no.
jordan holmes
Nirvana?
Was that...
dan friesen
Nope.
Certainly not that far back, but it's been a number of years since I...
Me and my buddies generally go on float trips, and that's always a good time.
Although, once you have smartphones, you can still kind of bring them along.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's awful.
dan friesen
But those are kind of a good time to check out a society, go down a lazy river.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's a good time.
I've long felt the call of nature, at least the last couple years.
I've been definitely feeling like I want to do more camping, but it's kind of difficult.
jordan holmes
In some ways, you have been emulating Grizzly Adams for the past few.
dan friesen
My beard's getting a little crazy.
And I have a cat, and I have plants in my home now.
So that's the Chicago apartment version, I suppose.
But yeah, I want to go camping, but I have some difficulties.
One, I don't have a car.
Two, I don't have camping equipment.
Three, the schedule of this show is very difficult.
But I would like that.
I love the woods.
I love being outside.
It's one of the things I miss the most about being in central Missouri back when I lived there.
You just go a little ways down, you're going to find a little bit of forest somewhere.
jordan holmes
Take a walk, you'll find some forest.
dan friesen
And that's not true everywhere, but most places in the town, or at least that's how I remember it.
You drive 15 minutes, you're going to be at...
unidentified
The town is 20 miles across, and you're like, take a walk, and you'll be outside.
dan friesen
Sure.
Slightly folksier memory of it than actually it was real.
But it was much more accessible.
Campgrounds and stuff like that.
It feels much less so here in Chicago.
Although, realistically, there probably are a bunch of places that are not very far from the city.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably not.
dan friesen
You could go and camp.
But again...
No camping gear.
alex jones
No, I know.
dan friesen
No car.
jordan holmes
What, are you going to get an RV?
dan friesen
I've told you that we should go camping, and you have almost spit on me.
jordan holmes
I am not a fan of the out-of-doors, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have been very against that idea.
But yeah, I'd like to do that, the unplug, because, you know, it's unhealthy to stay plugged in all the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I have a tree outside my window, and that's good enough for me.
jordan holmes
That's close enough.
Yeah, I like it.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a bit about camping and quite a bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about either.
dan friesen
That's correct.
So, Jordan, today we are checking in on the present day.
We're going to be going over October 8th and 9th, 2019.
It's an interesting stretch of time where there's a lot of real-world stuff going on.
jordan holmes
I don't remember any of it.
dan friesen
Alex has some interesting takes on them.
One tremendously bad take.
And then one...
All right, whatever.
Take.
Okay.
And I'll give you that in advance.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And that is that he supports the people who are doing Hong Kong protests and is against the companies who are trying to silence those protests.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
But even that, I think, is coming from a bad face.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That's why I say it's an okay take.
It's okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I agree with the bottom line, I guess, but I know that you're wrong about China being run by the literal devil.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
That one is an issue.
That one is an issue.
I agree.
The NBA is full of bullshit, but also not the devil.
dan friesen
Right.
I guess he has another horrific take, too, but we'll get to that as we get to it.
But before we get to the episode, Jordan, we're going to take a little moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first of all, Brian, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Brian.
dan friesen
Next, Brandy.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Randy.
High school crush.
dan friesen
Oh, is that right?
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, she's a fine girl.
What a good wife she would be.
jordan holmes
No, what?
dan friesen
But my love, my life, and my lady is the seed.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
You don't like looking glass?
I got it.
Okay.
Next, Anthony, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Anthony.
Next, Evan, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Evan.
Next, and finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first of all, Marius, thank you so much.
And Neil, thank you so much.
You are both wonderful technocrats.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Marius and Neil.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can support the show by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It'd be lovely.
dan friesen
So, for first bad take, we start off on the 8th, and it has to do with Syria.
It has to do with the Kurds.
Surprise.
Alex's big-scale take on this...
jordan holmes
Is genocide that bad?
dan friesen
He's not even dealing with it on those terms, necessarily.
He's dealing with the situation where Trump is signaling to Erdogan that it's totally cool to do whatever you want in northern Syria.
Just go for it.
We're not going to stop you.
He's dealing with that on a very elementary level.
One of the pieces is, Trump said he was going to bring home troops.
Which is not a great take.
jordan holmes
No, that one's bad.
I'm going to call that one bullshit.
dan friesen
But that one is actually a position that he has that takes an interesting journey throughout the course of this episode that we'll see.
jordan holmes
Right.
He should put them in Hong Kong.
dan friesen
The other one is, the other take that he has is that, look, man, there's two options here.
Maybe this one isn't great, but the other one is worse.
alex jones
It was Obama and the globalists that took over the sovereign state, the Bathurst state.
of Syria that's been stable for 50 years.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
It was the neocons and the globalists that created this crisis.
Now they've handed it to Trump and Turkey has said, we're either going to flood Europe in a new disaster or we're going to move these people back into Syria.
And so Trump said, well, I'm not going to go to war with you.
If you try to do that.
And then Pat Robertson comes out and says that Trump will lose the mandate of heaven if I guess we don't go to war with Turkey.
dan friesen
So Alex's whole thing is that Erdogan had said that, you know, I'm going to let these immigrants, these refugees from Syria, come through the border.
Unless I can set up this safe space here.
Yeah.
unidentified
And I would say that that's...
dan friesen
Taking what you might call a dictator says as the two options and believing those are the sincere two options.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That seems like a loser's game.
jordan holmes
Well, all I know for sure is that, you know, with dictators, you can always trust them to follow through on their word.
dan friesen
That's for sure.
And to create precise...
Accurate, realistic dichotomies.
jordan holmes
Oh, 100%.
dan friesen
These are your two options.
jordan holmes
That's why we elect strongmen, is because they have nuanced takes on things, right?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is dealing with it on that level.
He's like, well, I don't want 3.6 million more refugees going into the Great West in Europe, so of course we have to let them ethnically cleanse our allied people there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you know you can trust Turkey, too.
Because they've never...
I mean, historically, Turkey has never committed any mass-scale atrocities of any kind.
dan friesen
Alex has some thoughts about those.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure.
dan friesen
But he says there at the end that Pat Robertson is saying that Trump, if he does this, if he allows this to happen, he will lose heaven's mandate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex has a particular critique of Pat Robertson's words.
alex jones
So we've got that huge report and Pat Robertson saying all this.
And by the way, you've probably heard of mandate of heaven.
That is an exact Chinese proverb.
When different Chinese emperors were successful, they had the mandate of heaven.
When they didn't, they had lost the mandate.
The communist Chinese talk about the mandate.
Of the Communist Party being the mandate of heaven.
So that is just all part of the Chinification, the Chai-comification.
dan friesen
So one thing is true about this, and that is a Chinese idea.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It goes back to the kingdoms way back.
jordan holmes
300 BC, roughly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So that is a real thing.
He is right.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
It's not a proverb.
dan friesen
Probably not.
Proverbally not.
Yeah.
So he's right on sort of a micro scale, but on a larger scale, I would say that there is a lot of divine talk that surrounds Trump coming out of Infowars.
So for him to be like, you know, I don't think that Pat Robertson is quoting the Chinese here.
I don't think he's referring to that.
I think it has to do with their ideas about divine...
Rule.
jordan holmes
Yeah, instead of Trump being a god king, Pat Robertson says he has the mandate of heaven.
And that's a really important squabble to really hammer out at this point in time.
You want a westernized mandate of heaven.
dan friesen
Trump's even made overtures to the idea that, like, you know, God put him in power.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, once you get to great and ineffable wisdom or whatever the fuck he said.
dan friesen
Infinite.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which should have been an impeachable offense right there, right?
Just even writing that should have been like, no, get the fuck out of here.
unidentified
Get out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I think that's really interesting, and it's something that when I heard, I was like, Alex, you know how much you talk about God and Trump and all this.
Like, you know.
Why are you...
Pointing the finger at Pat Robertson for using similar ideas, but in the opposite direction that you want it to go.
And all of a sudden, that's now a Chinese trick.
jordan holmes
Well, your god says something different than my god, except we're technically calling him the same god, but you're an asshole.
That's not how religion ever works, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is peeved that Robertson's using this Chinese proverb in order to malign Trump for his...
The decision to allow Turkey to come in and start bombing people.
jordan holmes
Innocent people.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
True.
And Alex has an interesting position on this, and that is that there's sort of a circumstance wherein he would be against the Kurds being attacked.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Let's hear these.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, that has not been satisfied.
jordan holmes
What, did they outlaw abortion?
alex jones
And how to sit there now and blame Trump.
When he's saying, okay, I got two bad decisions, but the least bad is to let Turkey go into northern Syria, a place up until, what, World War I or so that they controlled.
So 100 years ago, 102 years ago or so, Turkey still controlled that area.
And there's constant civil war going on between the Kurds and Turkey.
The United States geopolitically has used the Kurds as a set piece and has used it as an excuse to stay in the region.
And when I talk to U.S. military, including, quote, special forces people, they're so brainwashed.
They go, well, the Kurds are Christians.
No, they're not.
They're 90% plus Muslim.
jordan holmes
So let them die.
alex jones
I mean, just the level of brainwashing our own troops are given about why the Kurds are our buddies and why we need to be there.
dan friesen
It does seem that Alex has a bit of a like, yeah, if that were true, I'd be with you on that.
jordan holmes
Of course, I would support you if they were Christian, but they're Muslim, so let them be burnt till alive.
It doesn't matter.
That's his take.
dan friesen
It does seem like it.
jordan holmes
It is his take, yeah.
dan friesen
It seems like that is like, well, yeah, that would be a good argument.
But it's not true.
jordan holmes
Because you're an idiot.
dan friesen
That's real scary.
jordan holmes
You know, he's got two options, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He can leave people in there, a very, relatively speaking, small number of people.
dan friesen
Quite small.
jordan holmes
Providing a lot of support, which also is less necessary for, you know, it's just a signal that we're there and we're watching.
And to remove them is a signal that you can, that bombs away.
dan friesen
We are not watching.
jordan holmes
So generally speaking...
The lesser of two evils is never, go ahead and commit genocide because I'm annoyed with this phone call.
That's usually not the better of two evils, you know?
dan friesen
And if that's how you're presenting it, that means you are really winging it?
Or you're just lying?
One of the two is clear for Alex.
I'm not entirely sure which it is, because he gets completely 180'd on this episode.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, Trump said he's going to pull troops out.
You know, taking them out of Afghanistan.
He's going to bring the boys home.
All this stuff.
And by the end of it, he's just realized this is a completely stupid argument.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Because it is!
dan friesen
But it's weird to see that for someone who's, like, researched and, like, I know all this stuff.
For on, like, the course of his episode, like, within two hours, he's, like, just completely changed his tune.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
But one thing that we know for sure is that all of these whistleblowers that are coming out about Trump and his phone calls...
jordan holmes
Democratic hit jobs!
dan friesen
Well, it might not even be just the Democrats.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I mean, obviously, it is the Democrats.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
But, you know, they're allowing...
We're talking about allowing these people to testify with their identities hidden.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because...
jordan holmes
As opposed to hanging them, which is what he would prefer.
dan friesen
Maybe.
But, you know, from what I understand, the conversation is surrounding safety issues.
That kind of thing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex believes that they're actually just going to try and bring Clapper in and obscure his face so no one knows that it's actually just Clapper or Brennan.
jordan holmes
That would be hilarious.
alex jones
And then the latest, ladies and gentlemen, with the so-called whistleblowers, what do you call a disgruntled Democrat that's being taken out of power who's corrupt?
Well, I mean, they all know that Clapper and Brennan and all the usual suspects, like Andy McCabe and all of them that are getting indicted, are discredited.
So if they come out and say their names, they'll go, oh, that's a partisan that was involved politically trying to stop Trump using intelligence agencies.
So they call themselves whistleblowers and claim that Trump's doing to them what they did to him.
dan friesen
Aha!
So because they've been burned as Trump haters and discredited, now we have to put a little pixel on them.
Pixelate the face and re-trot them out as whistleblowers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Cool.
I like the idea of him being on the fucking house floor, and they just turn the lights down on him, and he's got a little vocoder on his.
But it's a Peter Frampton vocoder.
It's not an actual...
unidentified
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
And then at the end of his testimony, they just turn the lights on him like, Hey, look at you!
All right, get out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think this is silly.
And if this is what you got, you don't got much.
We see.
So Alex then gets the spirit in him and he starts ranting about how his show is basically just the spirit of America.
jordan holmes
Real quick, are we all just going to let it go that Democrats are credibly afraid that if they share the identity of the whistleblower with other House representatives, they will leak it and kill the man?
Are we just going to all be like, this is fine?
dan friesen
I guess.
I guess that is.
jordan holmes
That's how we're doing it.
Okay, cool.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex's show is the voice of Americana and the Republic.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
I literally wrote the future warfare doctrine on information warfare response to the Chi-Coms if America wants to survive.
And I'm not bragging, but it's time to just get down to brass tacks.
This is the spirit of the Republic.
This broadcast is it.
And I don't mean that to brag.
That's a very dangerous position to be in.
And it shows how cowardly everybody else was or how they just bought into all these fake doctrines.
The real globalist doctrine is public.
That said...
I got behind this weekend.
As you know, I didn't really plug on the Sunday show.
I barely even plugged yesterday because I'm so busy and so focused.
And if I don't plug, we won't be here.
dan friesen
Smooth.
jordan holmes
He's roughly ten years behind.
dan friesen
Ten years behind on these plug-ins.
This is crazy.
unidentified
I told you how to beat the Chai Combs years ago.
dan friesen
We are the cell of America.
jordan holmes
Look.
Listen.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm a little bit behind.
I'm not doing a good job of this.
I am bad at being the voice of Americana, and I want to let you know that, and that's why you should give me money.
dan friesen
I'm too busy being the voice of Americana to plug all the time.
I can only plug half the time, and that is a problem right now because our finances are drying up.
So Alex gets back to the issue with Syria, and again, this is really, I think...
A crystallization of his viewpoint.
And it is a, I don't care.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's also Trump is doing the right thing.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
But here's the president who's right, saying it's time to come back home.
He promised to get us out of Syria.
He promised to get us out of Afghanistan.
He's ordered the withdrawal.
It's down to almost nothing in Afghanistan.
And he's now withdrawing everybody out of there.
And Turkey always said, we're going to move in and take over northern Kurdistan because it's always launching attacks on us.
And then that's where they'll kick the invaders back in.
And yeah, it's going to be a mess because the globalists destabilize it on purpose.
Not our problem.
Trump's fixing it.
Here's the president.
dan friesen
It's not our problem.
That's, uh...
jordan holmes
Man, you know, when that's the voice of Americana, we've always been on the right side of history.
If I recall correctly, whenever we say, as a country, it's not America, so who cares?
Everybody, when they read the history books, are like, that was the right move.
dan friesen
It certainly seems like that's the position Alex is taking, and I do not find it to be compelling.
I do not find it...
To be at all responsible or good.
Because it's saying, like, eh, fuck it, who cares?
No matter what atrocities, no matter what horrible things you see, that is just...
It's in many ways blaming the people who are going to be affected by this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The people who are going to be murdered by this.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Not affected.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They would be affected if they were likely to...
Live through it.
dan friesen
But the issue is that the globalists are behind all this, right?
Obama started all these wars and what have you.
I mean, sure, there was more military action under Obama than I'm comfortable with.
That's okay.
That's a criticism I'm willing to hear from anybody but Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, as he's discussing that dynamic, he ends up really showing some cards about what he believes is going on in the world.
alex jones
Obama launched more wars than Bush did.
And I didn't like those wars because they were destabilizing countries and putting things far worse in.
Look at Iraq.
It's in a civil war.
They're under martial law right now.
The whole Middle East is fighting over control.
It's what the Muslims do.
They never stop fighting with themselves or anybody else.
dan friesen
So it's just what the Muslims do.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Now, I would counterpoint.
Maybe colonialism exacerbated a lot of those issues.
dan friesen
Certainly.
But what you hear here is like, okay, yeah, the Middle East, everyone's fighting for control, they're killing each other because that's what the Muslims do.
Essentially, we've already heard him say Syria was in this stable place.
Under Assad and his father as dictators.
Under dictatorships, Muslims are stable and under control.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He's essentially advocating for a worldview where you can't have Muslims not under...
An oppressive dictator.
jordan holmes
Well, and that's why we went into Iran and installed a religious theocracy there in order to make sure that they were stable.
You know, that was what we wanted out of it.
We wanted a stable country.
dan friesen
It seems like this is a lot of what he's implying underneath what he's saying.
And I'm deeply uncomfortable for that, particularly because he's Mr. Police State.
You know, like, he's Mr. Anti-tyranny.
And he seems to be pretty clearly expressing a view that some people just gotta live in tyranny.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, otherwise, they just fight with each other, kill everybody.
It's what they do.
jordan holmes
Well, and not just that.
He's also kind of expressing, at least underneath this overall strategy for dealing with the Middle East of just, we'll let them fight it out, and then we'll deal with whatever's left over.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is a little bit of that.
I mean, he did literally say it's not our problem.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So that's not good.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It gets back now to talking about China issues.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And like I said, I'm on the side of against these companies that are trying to censor Hong Kong messages.
And that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Because you're a human, is what we call that.
dan friesen
I have vague humanity left in me after years of listening to Alex Jones.
But yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex's whole take on this is that the Chinese government's been exposed as the censoring people that they are, and I don't necessarily think that anybody ever didn't think that to some extent.
jordan holmes
No, I'm pretty sure everybody knew.
dan friesen
I think Alex's version of it is greatly exaggerated, but I think that people in normal political talk...
They don't pretend that's not the case.
jordan holmes
No, and I would imagine that even for the people of China who don't have access to VPNs and the like that allow them to see the internet as we know it, I think if you are not one of those people and you're just looking around for the internet and you find a site that's blocked because of the repressive government, you're like, we live under censorship.
It's not hard to figure out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not like you're brainwashed to where you can't see that 404 not found is just your government saying, fuck you.
dan friesen
And so Alex has this idea that when he was taken off social media and all these places, he's all kicked off YouTube, but it's all because he had the program to take down the Chinese government.
He was the only one who really knew how to fight the Chinese evil government.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so they censored him, and now look out, CNN, you're next.
They're all gonna, like, everybody's gonna go.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And he just is like, everybody who criticizes China is completely silenced and all this.
And there's an essential problem because he's also won't stop talking about the new episode of South Park that was all about China.
It was all about, like, the camps that they have for dissidents.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Well, the genocide they're perpetrating on the Muslim members of their country.
dan friesen
That is a counterexample to Alex's entire point that everything about anti-China or critical of China is censored.
He doesn't understand that he's like, no one's allowed to talk about China.
Now, this great episode of South Park just came out.
It's like...
Wait a second.
I don't know what their ratings are doing now, but they're one of the most long-standing shows on Comedy Central.
They're huge ratings.
One of the biggest shows, maybe, of the last decade.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or at least most influential.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex tries to play a clip from this South Park episode.
It does not go well, and he is totally fine with that.
alex jones
And then we'll come back and break down more of this geopolitically and what this means.
But here's the dad who's in the death camp in China.
Clip 17. Drumroll, please.
unidentified
It seems to me like your music is kind of...
alex jones
Hey, let's just stop.
Let's just stop.
It's okay.
No big deal.
You know, we have had a lot of computer problems, and it's not a big deal.
I'm happy with it.
We'll try next hour after our guest leaves us to go to these clubs.
dan friesen
It's not a big deal.
I'm totally happy with it.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
dan friesen
That's a guy who's so mad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's furious.
That's so funny.
dan friesen
I get the idea of, hey, it's no big deal.
We'll deal with this later.
I get that, but being like, I'm totally happy about it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's overcompensating.
jordan holmes
I got a little inside information for you.
It is the Greys.
dan friesen
Yeah, we know.
It's a pulsar attack.
jordan holmes
Yep, you got it.
dan friesen
So Alex said he's got a guest, and he does.
He has a guest coming up after the break, and that is, of course, the anti-communist himself, Joel Skousen.
Joel Skousen comes in, and, you know, I think his prominence in the show is hedging a little bit on Alex's part.
He's certainly still very aggressively pro-Trump, but Joel Skousen is pretty critical of Trump, and frequently on Alex's show says that Trump is stupid.
Right, because he is.
And the idea that Skousen's coming up more regularly now makes me think that Alex is trying to...
At least leave that door open a little bit.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
You think he's trying to hedge his bets, so if all the shit goes down and the public opinion or the opinion amongst his circle of minions...
changes, then he'll be able to credibly say, no, no, no, I had this guy on there.
I was debating with him, and now...
dan friesen
Keep up appearances of a critical voice in case you need him.
Keep him credible and fresh in the audience's mind, too, in case you do decide, I've got to jump ship on this.
Now you still have an expert you can go to, as opposed to all the other Trump lunatics.
jordan holmes
Who are going to never speak to you again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex talks to Skousen here.
And I want to remind you, earlier in the episode, Alex's thing was, it doesn't matter what's going on in Syria, and it's great.
Trump said he was going to bring troops home.
Right.
And Skousen has a completely different take on this.
joel skousen
But there are several much more larger bases with combat troops south of that area in Syria that aren't leaving.
And so Trump has been given some false intelligence that you're going to be leaving Syria if you take out these two outposts.
It's just not true.
And so I think he's been snookered.
But I think the larger agenda is to have a major war start with Turkey and the Kurds that will then justify pushing Trump into letting armed forces come back into Syria.
In other words, it's a backdoor to get more troops into Syria by letting a massacre occur between Turkey and the Kurds.
alex jones
Turkey is one of the largest conventional militaries.
jordan holmes
Were you eating?
You were eating, Alex.
alex jones
Can you speak to that, Joel?
dan friesen
He's definitely eating.
unidentified
He's definitely eating.
dan friesen
Yes, 100%.
jordan holmes
That is a man eating food.
dan friesen
Right, but Joel Skousen has very accurately pointed out that this is not going to be a meaningful withdrawal.
This is going to, if anything, cause awful results that might...
Make it more likely that more people will go in.
Whatever you are pushing forth as, like, he said he's going to bring the guys home or saying it's not our problem, Joel Skousen does not agree with either of those things.
And, I mean, it's sad how easily Alex completely falls in line with Skousen's position.
Like, he's completely convinced him, within a matter of minutes, to go completely against what he was saying earlier in the episode.
joel skousen
He's not taking out the hundreds of other troops and Blackwater mercenaries that are deeply in these other bases in Syria.
So he's being lied to by his intelligence.
alex jones
But let me ask you this question when we come back with Joe Skousen.
What does President Trump do to get out of this mess, this bear trap that he's obviously stepped into?
And again, Trump's not God.
He makes mistakes, folks.
And I agree with Joe Skousen that...
The way this has all been maneuvered, he's being set up.
jordan holmes
That was fast.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
That is...
I was skeptical that it would be that blatant.
Like, when you said he changes his position, I thought he was going to ease into it and maybe be like, you know what?
I think you have a point.
You know what?
We're going to discuss this after the break.
And instead he was like, yeah, he fucked up.
Everybody knows it.
I agree with him.
dan friesen
Yeah, wow.
Turns out Trump has been set up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
This is the deep state.
dan friesen
These are serious issues.
Like, he doesn't have any idea.
unidentified
Not to him.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He doesn't give a fuck.
dan friesen
He doesn't have any idea what he's even espousing to his audience.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
All it takes is Joel Skousen and a fucking sandwich break for him to completely change his narrative.
jordan holmes
He was so hungry, he's fine with genocide.
You know, when you're hangry.
dan friesen
I think Alex might be...
That's a new career for him.
Snickers commercials where he just changes his narratives.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
That would be such a good commercial if they just had a president sitting in there and he's on the phone and he's like, Fine!
You know what?
Go ahead!
Bomb the shit out of him!
And then one of his Secret Service agents handed him a Snickers and he's like, You know what?
I think we should protect innocent people.
dan friesen
It even feels bad to joke about this.
Because it is very serious.
jordan holmes
No, it's an intense fucking tragedy that is so massive and so fucked up to the point where I am utterly against a fucking military coup.
But there is a point where you have to say, I can't obey these orders.
dan friesen
It's really tough.
And I think that the only thing that's amusing about this is the fact that Alex flips that quick.
It seems like something that he should care about more.
It seems like something that he should have a robust position on that isn't influenceable just by Joel Skousen saying, you're wrong.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's dumb.
But, hey, that's not the world we live in.
Alex doesn't really have anything until he talks to one of these experts who will be like, all right, here you go.
This is your talking point.
Now move forward with it.
Okay, I'll contradict myself.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, the eighth isn't that great of an episode.
It's mostly yelling about China and the South Park episode, and who cares?
jordan holmes
It is weird how in the span of two days, we've had such obviously evil shit happen that even the Republicans are like, Jesus Christ, we have to say this.
We're always on the wrong side, and you're making us do this now?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's overwhelming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, hey, man.
We come in on the 9th, and we find out that whatever...
Look, you think that the GOP and the Republicans are in a bad position.
But that's not really true.
If you look at real polls...
alex jones
The globalists are in deep trouble, and the real polls show Trump 17 to 25 points ahead of any of the Democrats.
America is in love with Trump, in love with the awakening.
They're in love with Infowars.
dan friesen
They love him.
jordan holmes
Wow.
I don't like being gaslit that bad.
dan friesen
It's real crazy.
jordan holmes
That's bad.
dan friesen
I don't, you know, Alex uses real clear politics as a reference on this episode, so I went and checked out their polling data.
And literally every, I think Pete, Mayor Pete.
He was down one point to Trump in a head-to-head comparison.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Get out.
Get the fuck out.
Get out of this race.
dan friesen
Every single other relevant Democrat that they had polled was at least five points ahead.
Consistently.
And then there's another study that came out at the beginning of this month, I believe, October 3rd, that was Trump is down 11 to a generic Democrat.
Just fill in the blank Democrat.
jordan holmes
Just so long as we don't have to...
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I don't know what real polls he's talking about, but that seems to be pretty well on the side of impossible.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Maybe he's using one of Trump's own internet polls.
Like, he couldn't...
He couldn't actually say that 97% of the population wants to re-elect him.
That's just too far even for him.
17 to 45 points!
dan friesen
We do know that he has a real tendency towards those unscientific internet polls and citing them as the quote-unquote real polls.
jordan holmes
If you can vote twice, it's a real poll, Dan.
dan friesen
But that just shows intensity.
And if you intensely feel something, you vote for it six times, that's the same as six people.
jordan holmes
That is the same.
Yeah, and you're not even an undocumented immigrant, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex is on a real sort of...
He's feeling good on this episode.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And that's because he's...
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Because he's right about everything.
As we saw in that last episode on the 8th, he was not even internally right about anything.
But that doesn't matter.
alex jones
You know, they talk about the Oracle of Omaha being Warren Buffett.
Well, he always has the inside knowledge.
Well, I study history.
I study facts, and it really is true.
No one is as accurate as InfoWars.
And that's not a statement in arrogance.
It's a very dangerous thing.
Because we're willing to tell the truth.
Most people know the truth, just won't tell you.
Hell, most of you know more than I do.
You don't need to be an oracle to know all this.
You've got to have common sense.
But we are at the crossroads.
You can use that term, but there's no way to overuse it.
This is it.
And communist China, the most evil regime in planetary history, is trying to dictate the terms of our surrender.
And why not?
I mean, we've capitulated to everything else.
We've been taught to be good little politically correct minions.
dan friesen
Yet you did an hour on the South Park episode yesterday.
I don't know.
I think it's definitely possible to overuse we're at the crossroads.
And Alex might be living proof of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can overuse things like they're making their move.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, you could do that.
You could say this is the globalist main push.
jordan holmes
It's unprecedented.
dan friesen
Sure, that could be overused.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
There's not much he doesn't overuse.
dan friesen
But he's right about everything.
jordan holmes
Man, he really isn't.
dan friesen
No, but that's how he feels on the 9th.
alex jones
How?
dan friesen
I don't know.
But it leads him to, like, really get into the intro music when he's coming back from that break.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's coming back from commercial break.
He really gets into the...
And, you know, this is one of those things where it's like, yeah, we've talked about this before, how, like, sometimes you'll be like, ah, I hate this guy, but that passion is infectious.
This might be one of those cases.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Although you might not be susceptible to it.
I'm not sure.
We'll see.
alex jones
I want to come in with some original.
Leonard Skinner, deep out of the swamps of Florida for you.
To remind everybody that I can't sell out.
I can't back down.
I can't turn my guns in.
I can't turn my kids over to pedophiles.
There's no getting me to ever compromise.
But here's the deal.
I know you're not going to compromise either.
So let's work hard in the information wars.
We don't have to go the physical route.
But whatever happens, we're going to win this thing.
You can feel it.
You can see it.
And the enemy knows it.
Let's go ahead and let them hear a couple minutes of this anthem.
It's time to fly.
Freebird, Lord knows I can't change.
Lord knows I can't lie to you.
That's why you just get truth.
That's why it all comes true.
Because let me tell you, I'm not here even coming up with this information.
It's just flowing through me.
We've got to decide to just meet Hillary and meet the globalists with Christ winning our sails and say if they want to fight, I don't know how it's going to end.
They better believe they've got one.
Let's listen to a little bit of this on this Wednesday transmission.
dan friesen
That's Randy Rhoades.
It's not Randy Rhoades.
Yeah, I guess that one wasn't as good as some of the other times he's done shit like that.
jordan holmes
No, no, it's not that it wasn't inspiring.
dan friesen
That's a modern-day patent speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
To me, that sounded more like I was at the back of a revivalist tent, and there are all these people.
There's like a thousand people in there, and I'm watching them go apeshit for this, and I'm like...
alex jones
Ooh, I gotta go.
I gotta get out of here.
jordan holmes
This is a very scary place to be.
dan friesen
This is a very susceptible room.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The words burn him could be said, and they would.
dan friesen
At the end there, you know, he's also talking about, like, we're gonna give it to Hillary.
I should point out that Alex is now really ramping up his Hillary is gonna run talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I guess Hillary gave an interview where she's talking about how Trump's really obsessed with her, keeps tweeting about her, and like, maybe we should have a rematch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
She shouldn't say things like that.
She's not going to run.
No.
But, like, Alex is, like, so excited about that.
And I think everybody in that right-wing world is so excited about, like, she said something that indicates that she's going to run, so now...
jordan holmes
We get to get the band back together, man.
We've already got this machine.
We got it in the fucking shed.
We were hoping to break it out.
Boom.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex is real excited about that, and he spends a good bit of time...
Ruminating in his Hillary fantasies of she's going to run again.
Plays the clip of her on that talk show a couple times.
Great, man.
Great.
Great!
So, we come down to a choice in our lives.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that is that we need to either...
jordan holmes
Paper or plastic?
dan friesen
Well, what we need to do is we need to choose what team we're on.
Not paper or plastic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We need to choose whether we're with the globalist Satans or the West.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We have to choose one of those two.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex lays it out here.
And I honestly think that this is a false dichotomy.
jordan holmes
I can't choose the bears, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You can't choose the bears.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
The whole world better decide.
Are you with the globalist, chi-com, mark of the beast, authoritarian system?
You're going to throw your lot in with it, for better or worse, for richer or poorer, till death do you part.
Or do you want to go with the ideals of the West and the Renaissance and Christendom and Americana and everything that made us so great that everybody wants to take over and that now we become decadent and evil ourselves and we're losing?
Do we want to go with what we know works in this race of life, an 800-horsepower Dodge Hellcat, or do you want to be in a Gremlin?
100 horsepower vehicle that the engine doesn't even start.
I mean, it really comes down to that.
dan friesen
Those don't either sound like good choices.
I mean, like, so you've got on the one hand the globalist authoritarian Satan China machine.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that, of course, sounds bad the way you're putting it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then on the other side, you've got the ideals of the West and the Renaissance that ultimately lead to you becoming sluggish and awful.
Or whatever.
You know, like, it breeds decadence, and then you're...
jordan holmes
I think he flipped those around.
I don't think he meant...
Well, he didn't say respectively.
dan friesen
He does.
No, no, no.
His belief is that, like, okay, so the West is so powerful.
These ideas of the West, they're so strong and breed so much success for everybody that the first generation makes a lot of money and they all do really well.
And then the next generation, they become slobs and decadent because there's so much money.
And then the third generation is all evil because they're used to the decadent.
And then the fourth generation requires a coming back to God or whatever.
I would say that either of those sounds terrible.
Like, being trapped in a cycle of decadence and then strict reformation?
Right.
Or authoritarian nightmare?
I feel like there's another option, is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I don't think that either of these are the only games in town.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
We can either go on the infinite wheel of reincarnation and misery, or we can go on the straight line of misery, or...
Nope, there's no other option there.
dan friesen
I guess the wheel one, you change scenery a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that might be more preferable.
jordan holmes
I mean, it depends on which generation you're in, I suppose.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know?
It's like...
unidentified
As long as you dodge that fourth one, it's pretty good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's like all these guys.
They're all for fascism, mainly because they assume they're going to be in the generation that gets to enjoy fascism, not the one that gets fucked over by fascism.
dan friesen
It does feel that way a little bit.
So, Alex is realizing that he's kind of, you know, he's been a supporter of free speech and what have you.
But he realizes that you need to, what we need to do is we more need to actively support free speech, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm not sure exactly.
jordan holmes
I'm cagey.
I'm cagey about that sentence.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure what that's advocating for.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But then he gets into...
jordan holmes
I think it's him getting back on Facebook.
I think that's what we're talking about.
dan friesen
If I had to choose something, I would say that's probably what it is.
But then he gets into why he believes that he is in the situation that he's in, where he's not on Facebook.
And again, that's because he's a threat to China.
alex jones
And so we don't need to just say that we support people's free speech.
We need to actively engage in it.
And let Google and Facebook and Twitter and all the people trying to help China censor know that we're not submitting to them.
Because, you know, they started with me 14 months ago.
Built up a huge ad campaign.
More criticism of me in the last three years than China has been criticized in the news in a decade.
dan friesen
I doubt that.
alex jones
Literally.
There's almost never any criticism.
I'm criticized every day.
Sometimes in thousands of newspapers at one time.
Every news program lying about me.
unidentified
Why?
alex jones
I'm seen as the Americana.
Virus of liberty.
They call me a virus on CNN that could replicate and defeat them.
Because when I'm promoting works, it sells, it's popular, it's historical.
So they built up that straw man to get people to accept this show being silenced.
We weren't silenced.
We didn't roll over and die.
I'm just supposed to believe that when they said it like it's a magic trick.
Nope, didn't work.
Return to sender, as Elvis would say.
And now it's going to be everybody.
It's going to be you.
We've got to say no!
We're all Alex Jones now.
Like, we're all Spartacus.
We're all Donald Trump now.
We're all Matt Grudge now.
And we're not backing down.
We're not giving in.
And we're saying no to the Chi-Coms!
dan friesen
I have some weird feelings about this, because what does that mean?
Like, what are you advocating for?
Do you want, like, to go to war with China?
Do you want to cut off all economic relations with China?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, do you think that these things are, like, productive?
Suggestions towards dealing with the very real issues that do exist?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I don't know what he's advocating for, other than getting him back on Facebook.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, we're doing trade war.
That's going great.
So I suppose the next logical conclusion is regular war, which I assume is going to go well for everybody involved.
dan friesen
Alex is an anti-intervention guy, though.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but they're the globalists.
That's true.
So we have to break out all the stops to defeat the globalists.
dan friesen
I guess he probably could rationalize that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not military intervention, Dan.
It's military invention.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
How's that?
dan friesen
Sounds good.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
I also have bad news about Matt Drudge.
A lot of people are suggesting that he is turning on Trump a little bit, based on the fact that a lot of the stories that he's running, because he's just like a link aggregator, more or less, a lot of the stories that he's putting up and promoting on his site are critical of Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a change in tone.
jordan holmes
Well, because it's hard to find anything else!
dan friesen
There's a change in tone that's happening over on the old Drudge Report a little bit.
So, I mean, there's a CNN article you can find about that, and I know that CNN's not a really great source in Alex's world.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Or ours, mostly.
In that CNN article, they also talk about Jim Hoft, the guy from Gateway Pundit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He even wrote an article about what the fuck is going on with Matt Drudge.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Like, people in the right-wing world are starting to notice that shift in editorial stance towards a critical one of Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if Alex loses Matt Drudge...
unidentified
It's over.
dan friesen
He can't do this anymore.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
I don't know how I'll...
One of the reasons I think that is because he can't throw Matt Drudge overboard.
He just can't.
jordan holmes
Does Drudge still aggregate his stuff?
dan friesen
Alex's?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know enough.
I don't go check out the Drudge report.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
But I assume that every now and again he'll have a story that gets linked on there.
Or Paul Joseph Watson might or something.
jordan holmes
Drudge will toss him a bone every now and then.
dan friesen
Sure.
I would assume that that's still in place a little bit.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
But I think more importantly, because of Alex's narratives that he's built up over the years about how Matt Drudge is the only patriot still left out there.
jordan holmes
He really gets it, man.
dan friesen
He can't let that slide.
I think that that would be a bridge too far for him to cross.
Matt Drudge has been got by the globalists or something.
I really don't think he can do that.
Drudge is too central to Alex's world entirely for him to...
To turn him into a villain or to, like, allow him to be working on the other team.
Alex would have to migrate with Drudge, I think.
jordan holmes
You know, that's a fascinating thing for...
That's a good position for Drudge to be in because we're really finding out right now just exactly how much people are in, you know?
Like, Lindsey Graham is so far in.
One of his big, like...
One of his purviews is like, let's not allow them to commit genocide.
Let's just not do that.
And now he has to be like, I guess we're letting them commit genocide.
And I can say I don't agree with it, but I can't say, fuck this guy.
Whereas Drudge, because he's functionally not an interview subject or a public figure.
dan friesen
He's not voted on.
jordan holmes
He has no accountability for criticizing him.
dan friesen
And he's in a unique position where he creates so much of the tone in a lot of the conservative media sphere with what he chooses to focus on.
There's so many lazy conservative hosts who just go to drudge and choose their talking points.
jordan holmes
It's not hard.
dan friesen
No.
But he has this relationship with the audience and the electorate, I guess, that if he starts going towards a critical stance on Trump...
That allows people in Congress an easier time to not have to toe the line so much because the people downstream, the citizens, the consumers of these news articles, will start to change along with Drudge.
It'll become more acceptable, which is also very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'll be an interesting thing to watch.
Can you ramp down the propaganda?
Because they can do critical stuff, but they can't do full-on anti-Trump stuff.
Or, you know, Drudge can't.
Just yet.
So can they make the transition down, or has Pandora's box been opened and we're just fucked?
You know?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's an interesting question.
jordan holmes
Because the propaganda machine has been going on high since, what, late...
Early 2016, whenever everybody just decided.
Yeah, probably.
But now it's like, can they still control it?
And that's something that I'm really interested to find out.
dan friesen
I am too, especially as communities like the people who follow Q and stuff have come along that are so outside even of a drudge bubble.
Like back in the days of Clinton and Bush Jr., W. Like, you had a lot easier time with, you know, being sort of a disseminator of talking points.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Now there's so much diversity of crazy that I don't know how much, like, Drudge could 100% change anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or it would be even more alienating, because those people aren't going to come along for that ride.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
So they just have two discrete worlds of, like...
Conservative nuttery.
jordan holmes
I mean, it has to splinter into so many different factions just because they, in order to combat the fact that they fielded the single worst human being in history, they had to turn the propaganda machine all the way up to fucking revolution, you know?
Radicalizing people to such an extent that they've never been able to do before.
Uh, without horrifying consequences.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
And now, because that splinter is occurring, they won't, they probably won't be able to put it back.
You know?
It's just going to be four separate realities now instead of the two they've created.
dan friesen
We'll see.
Let's hope you're wrong.
jordan holmes
It'll be interesting.
dan friesen
So, um, whenever Alex went off air, uh, so to speak, whenever he went off Facebook and all that, apparently he sent Trump some letters.
Okay.
And they got delivered, I guess, by hand.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So after this, Alex got some death threats.
And by the way he describes who threatened his life, I have one suspect.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And then Alex loses his goddamn mind.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Instead of whining and complaining when they took me off air, I said, wow, this is great.
I'm the number one news item right now.
I'm going to send a direct message to the president to take action on the CHICOMs.
And I'm going to resend all those letters through the law firm's hand-delivered to the president's office.
And, of course, the chief of staff flipped out over it.
A lot of stuff went on.
I got some big death threats.
Had a very well-known CIA individual that's overthrown governments basically call up and threatened me, and I just said, fill your hand.
Do whatever you're going to do.
dan friesen
So I believe that has to be Steve Pachanek, because his overthrown governments is an epithet that is only attached to him I've ever heard in Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, I wonder if Steve threatened Alex's life.
jordan holmes
That would be in 100% character for Steve.
dan friesen
I mean, all this could be made up, but the descriptor has overthrown governments.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is unique to, in the same way, like, rage-filled Achilles in the Iliad.
Like, it's very distinct to Steve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's, yeah.
Who else would he say it about?
dan friesen
Just Steve.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
You don't think I don't know you kill people?
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha!
alex jones
The only power I have in front of everybody and God is that I'm willing to go all the way.
I don't want to die, but I'm committed.
And I'm trying to show you the power you have as well to take action.
But we built this platform.
We were patient.
We knew this was coming.
And now we're delivering in royal flush because God did this.
Providence did this.
Not Alex Jones.
Not even you, the audience.
God moved all of us to do this.
And that's why they're so scared.
But I really, it was pressed on me.
I've been praying a lot.
And I woke up the last few nights, the middle of the night, and the message was, literally, from God, my subconscious, whatever you want to call it, Alex, you've got to talk about the fact that you are the leadership, that the audience is the leadership and that we really are the remnant of Americana from which the whole system can come back.
And you've got to declare that leadership because the enemy already knows it and has already admitted it.
I mean, they have CIA reports coming out by the left saying, Jones and Infowars beat us.
Here's how we stop him.
So I have to let the audience know this isn't a game.
dan friesen
God or his subconscious is telling Alex that he needs to declare himself the leader.
jordan holmes
Now...
dan friesen
A leader.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and I'm going to say that he thinks he has the mandate of heaven?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
There's a reason I played that clip earlier in this episode, because his behavior doesn't track with somebody who seems to think that it's crazy for Pat Robertson to say something like that.
Yeah, he has a belief that God is telling him to declare his leadership role.
I don't know of...
I don't know many times that that's been uttered by people well, or, like, in a positive sense.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go to my secretary of history over here.
When somebody says they have talked to God and he has told them that he is the leader, how has that gone in the past?
dan friesen
I would assume that there are a couple times, like, you know, let's say there's a difficult project that needs to be done, like a community garden getting built.
And God called me to help build this.
jordan holmes
To build the community garden.
dan friesen
I bet there are a lot of times in individuals'lives that something like that could be expressed in a non-unhealthy way.
Yeah.
like Alex?
Never.
unidentified
I find this to be an incredibly troubling to be saying, God called me to declare my, I've woken up in the middle of the night.
dan friesen
And then let's not even break down the whole fucking idea of him being like, could have been God, could have been my subconscious.
Those are different things, Alex.
Those are different things.
jordan holmes
He is his ancestors and his subconscious is God.
dan friesen
If he is expressing that he doesn't know the difference between his subconscious and God's voice...
jordan holmes
Not a problem.
dan friesen
It is a problem.
It's a big problem.
jordan holmes
I don't know why.
dan friesen
Because he speaks like a goddamn preacher all the time on this show talking about God's will.
And if that's just his subconscious desires, then he is misleading the audience into...
Helping ascribe religious importance to his subconscious desires?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a cult.
jordan holmes
He really did learn the right lessons from Waco.
I think that's what we're learning right there.
What you gotta do is declare yourself the representative of God.
Tell people that they have to do whatever it is you say because you are their leader.
And that's the only lesson to learn from Waco.
dan friesen
And then on a show where he's saying shit like this and you'd also exist in the same...
As a guy who's like, yeah, you know what?
Turkey's gonna go in and take out these Kurds, and I don't care.
That's not our problem.
jordan holmes
God told me.
Not a big deal.
That's not our problem.
dan friesen
Muslims just fight each other.
jordan holmes
God said commit genocide all the time.
Have you read the Old Testament?
He's cool with it.
dan friesen
It's deeply upsetting for someone to act like this.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But let's take a trip down to something a little bit lighter.
Alex looks at a map.
jordan holmes
Don't let him.
dan friesen
And on this map, you know, it has all the red areas and blue areas.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, hey, there's not much blue on there.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then he gets to talking about how everybody in those blue areas, like L.A., they're secretly libertarians.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex realizes that he watched Tombstone the night before and gets a little weird.
alex jones
People like John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, folks like Bruce Willis that are patriots.
It's really almost everybody.
I'm not at liberty to get into it or talk about it because I'm not starstruck by people just because they're in movies.
Though I did watch Tombstone again last night with my wife.
I'm not gay.
I'm not into guys, but it's kind of like that time the famous basketball player was on.
One of the late night comedy shows.
He's like, have you seen Kevin Brady up close?
I'm not gay, but that's a good looking man.
Why?
He walked up and talked to me and I could hardly talk.
I'm being sarcastic.
But I mean, Kurt Russell did a great job in that movie.
And it's just cool to know that he's a listener, to know he's a patriot.
And that's fun stuff.
And Charlton Heston was a patriot.
And liked the show.
And I'm not tooting my horn.
It's just we're all fellow travelers.
Isn't it cool that...
Like anybody I end up liking in Hollywood, it turns out it's a patriot.
And almost everyone else is just unwatchable.
dan friesen
So Alex thinking Kurt Russell is attractive, I mean, whatever.
That's cool.
You don't have to feel weird about that, Alex.
He's an attractive man.
Yeah.
But that part at the end there, I can explain that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not that everybody he likes turns out to be a patriot.
It's that when people tell them that they like him...
He is all of a sudden a huge fan of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like that.
Dan, and I'm going to go on, I just want to ask you a couple of questions.
What do all of those actors have in common?
dan friesen
A number of them are old.
jordan holmes
A number of them are old.
Men.
Yeah, yeah, old men.
dan friesen
Old white men.
jordan holmes
Right, white men, that's an important qualification there.
I would also argue that having a shit ton of money...
Would put you more in the agreeing with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Do we know if John Wayne liked InfoWars?
jordan holmes
No, we don't.
But John Wayne was reportedly a man who was gay.
dan friesen
And might have liked InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I just think it's so awesome, these sorts of presentations.
The idea that he's saying, you know, everyone...
I just...
I could see that these people are patriots, and I'm fans of them, and then I learned that they're secretly fans of mine, and it's like, it's so reinforcing.
Everyone else sucks.
No, you just don't like people who don't like you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
I want to know, I have one question, and that is, is it specifically mustache Kurt Russell?
dan friesen
It's Tombstone.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Kurt Russell in Tombstone had a glorious mustache.
dan friesen
Sure.
What about Sam Elliott, then?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There we go.
Is Sam Elliott a patriot?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
dan friesen
We've got to learn.
We've got to find this out.
jordan holmes
What about Big Trouble in Little China, whenever he had the hair?
dan friesen
Inquiring minds want to know.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets into talking about a new PJ Dubs article.
jordan holmes
Get ready for next episode's question being, what's your favorite Kurt Russell?
dan friesen
I'm not sure I have a favorite Kurt Russell.
Escape from LA, maybe?
Escape from New York?
I don't know.
Look, Paul Joseph Watson's written a new article.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And they've decided that they have their way, their decision about how to deal with China.
And it's interesting.
alex jones
The polls put out a tweet that I'm asking everybody to get out there and retweet and share or rewrite yourself with your own thoughts because this is the maxim.
This is throwing down the gauntlet.
It's time for Americans to denounce every corporation that caves in or refuses to announce China.
These corporations trash American values, then openly embrace and cower to China's dictatorship for profit.
It's clear who their leader is.
It's not Trump.
It's ZZP.
Ha, ha, ha.
There's nothing like seeing flames growing truth.
dan friesen
I am old enough to remember when Alex and PJW specifically constantly decried people using boycotts.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Particularly, they attacked people like Ilhan Omar and those folks for the idea of an Israeli boycott.
They have been very consistently anti-boycotts when it's politically expedient for them or whatever.
But now, aha!
We've figured it out.
Everyone boycott China!
jordan holmes
They really can't just deal with the truth.
They just can't.
There's no way that they can engage with the reality of this situation, which is that their leader is not Xi Jinping.
It is money.
And China has money that they would like to have.
And that's it.
So they will do whatever it takes.
They are a corporation.
Their entire job is to make as much money as they can.
And so perhaps the issue is not with the leaders.
And more with the system that forces them to kowtow.
dan friesen
That is the most explanatory, easiest explanation for everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then they would have to say, well, maybe there's one negative effect of capitalism and then their whole game is over.
dan friesen
Right.
And to be clear, I'm saying this is manifestly inconsistent based on Alex and Paul's behavior over the course of the time that I've been watching them.
But, like, hey, I'm not necessarily totally opposed to the idea of, like, some sort of targeted China boycotts.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, if that's the strategy you guys want to take, fine.
I'm good on you.
Yeah.
But they're not willing, or they can't resist the urge to make cheap political points when other people use the same strategies that they would seek to use themselves.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that, to me, is a real problem.
jordan holmes
That to everyone should be a real problem.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The fact that it's not a problem to them is troubling.
dan friesen
Speaking of troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex gets to talking about how, like, you know, some of these people in Trump's orbit sound a lot like him.
But he can only ever really come up with one example.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it might be the worst one.
alex jones
The military and the police, not just here, but around the world and the White House.
You listen to those speeches.
Stephen Miller's writing.
You listen to what other leaders around the world are saying.
It's word for word what we're laying out.
Because everybody knows you go to the oracle at Delphi in Greece and there's just a bunch of poison gas coming out of the ground.
And so people start hallucinating and thinking they're talking to God.
No, ladies and gentlemen, this isn't an oracle.
This is research and focus and studying the CFR and studying the globalists and then putting that template out over the world, The real template.
dan friesen
Within 15 minutes prior to this, 20 minutes prior, he was talking about God talking to him and telling him he needs to take a leadership position.
jordan holmes
And maybe it was his subconscious.
dan friesen
This is ludicrous.
jordan holmes
Absolutely insane.
dan friesen
Why you gotta take down the Oracle of Delphi?
unidentified
Absolutely insane.
dan friesen
What the hell is going on?
You know what?
They would just go and there's poison gases that make them hallucinate.
I was stuck under a house that was being fumigated and now I think God is telling me things.
One to one.
I don't know.
I mean, I guess you can.
I guess it just does work.
But it seems so awful to exist in the same space.
A show where you're saying that God is telling you to do things.
And then you're maligning other people who believe God is telling them to do things.
It's very strange.
jordan holmes
Well, you just explained why religion is bad, Dan.
Your goddess, stupid.
Come on, 72 virgins in heaven.
My god's gonna give me a house.
Idiot.
dan friesen
It's the same phenomenon as the boycotts thing.
It's the same thing.
Ours good, everyone else bad.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Not realizing you're trying to do the same thing.
jordan holmes
It's cheating.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is.
It's absolutely infuriating that they always get away from it, and they always get away with it, and they win.
It's infuriating.
dan friesen
That said, Alex is probably pretty close to right on when he's saying that Steve Miller sounds like him.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, that's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
That's not good, though.
jordan holmes
He did choose the worst white supremacist in the entire organization, I would imagine.
dan friesen
I wonder if Alex told him to do that spray-on-hair thing.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
You look weak, ball!
So, Alex gets into some science issues.
jordan holmes
Maybe that was a pilot product for him.
Head force!
It'll make it look like your hair grew.
dan friesen
Steve, we need you to buzz market the new product.
Get out there, you look great.
So, it's science corner time.
Alex has got some bad news about the flu shot.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Everything we do here is common sense.
You know, year after year for the last...
40 years or so.
I have studies right here, mainline news.
The flu gets worse every year.
Well, of course it does.
All the studies say when you take a flu shot, it lowers your immunity to other flus by 50%.
Three flu shots consecutively over three years is known to trigger Alzheimer's and dementia in people above the age of 65. Don't believe me?
Go look it all up.
That's what's so frustrating.
Oh, and now this year will be the most deadly ever!
dan friesen
So, he's just making this shit up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you consult the CDC statistics on flu seasons, even if you just look at the years between 2010 and 2018, you see a lot of up and down.
A lot of it's really fluid.
You know, some seasons are worse, some aren't as bad.
There's a lot of variables.
Now, as for that Alzheimer's thing, that's not supported by any actual science.
According to a paper in the Canadian Medical Academy Journal from 2001, which was just writing up of a study that looked at exactly this possible correlation in senior citizens, they found, quote, after adjustment for age, sex, and education, past exposure to vaccines against diphtheria and tetanus, polyomyelitis and influenza was associated with a lower risk for Alzheimer's disease than no exposure to these vaccines.
This is only one such study that found that there may be indications that getting a flu shot annually actually decreases your risk for dementia.
But these studies are all clear to point out that the results can't definitively say that there's a causal relationship there.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point is that Alex, what he's saying is 100% not supported by anything real.
He's just making shit up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't even...
dan friesen
But these are talking points that go around.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
Absolutely not true.
jordan holmes
I don't understand the framework of any study that would be centered around three years of consecutive flu vaccines.
As though that is...
Like, why would you choose three?
Why wouldn't you choose a longer period of time?
unidentified
I'm guessing Alex made that up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he had to have made that up.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
But it's not just him that's anti these shots, man.
jordan holmes
Sure, it's everybody.
dan friesen
Certainly.
There's even celebrities who are anti-shots.
jordan holmes
I don't care!
alex jones
And then two.
Fox Sports hosts go, yeah, we both took the flu shot last year when they pushed it on us.
They almost killed us.
They talk about it on the radio.
They go on TV and say, I'm not taking a flu shot.
What about you?
No.
Everybody I know that takes it, gets it.
I'm never taking it again.
Ooh, they need to be fired.
Those dirty Americans open their fat mouths about, yeah, we both took it last year when they pushed it on us.
We got sick.
dan friesen
So what he's talking about here is a conversation.
That Shannon Sharp and Skip Bayless had on their show Undisputed.
Sharp made a joke about how the only shot the Arizona Cardinals had that season is a flu shot.
He then said that he had not gotten a shot when he was offered one at CVS, which isn't the same thing as Fox making him get one at all when you really get down to it.
Skip Bayless then said that, quote, I took one flu shot in my life and immediately got the flu.
I did.
That was the last one.
So it seems like he's not saying that Fox forced him to get a shot either.
It seems like those parts of the story are things Alex is just making up in order to make this sound good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All this is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just a dumb conversation that Shannon Sharp and Skip Bayless had that Alex is misrepresenting to make a different point.
jordan holmes
Look, I refuse to engage with somebody who is quoting two titans of takes in Skip fucking Bayless and Shannon Sharp.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Great.
I don't give a fuck what they have to say about literally anything.
And that includes sports.
That includes sports.
Those two idiots are stupid.
dan friesen
I think it's interesting because what you have is the kernel of something real in terms of like this was a conversation where they were critical of vaccines.
But that's not good enough for Alex.
He has to turn it into a thing where Fox forced them both to get a shot last year.
They both got sick and now they're never going to take it again.
When in reality...
Only one of them referenced getting the flu after getting the shot.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which there's a better explanation for than whatever Skip Bayless is coming up with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then Shannon Sharp was just saying, I didn't get one.
jordan holmes
You just explained Skip Bayless' whole career.
dan friesen
There's a better explanation.
jordan holmes
There's a better explanation than what Skip Bayless came up with.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, man, Alex is talking about how he's right about everything, which seems to be a theme on the shows.
Because God, you know.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Subconscious mandate of heaven.
dan friesen
So Alex is, you know, he'll reference in particular alien, or not alien, too used to Project Camelot, animal-human hybrids.
jordan holmes
Yes, chimeras.
dan friesen
He's totally right about all that.
The fish people with sad human eyes.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And I'm not so interested in that.
Because I know that he's not engaging with the real science and he's creating sci-fi weirdo devil fantasies about all this.
jordan holmes
Spider goats.
dan friesen
I am interested in this clip, though, because I think what it demonstrates is that Alex is still really mad about something that happened to him in the long distant past.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It's all out in the open now.
Every major topic we hit because it's already out there.
Human-animal hybrids.
That was in MIT research.
Twenty-three years ago, I was on air.
Listeners would mail me stuff because they never saw it on the news, but it was in white papers, so they would get me to cover it.
And listeners would go, oh, he's crazy.
I'd have people come to me in grocery stores and stuff and go, and pizza places and go, you're a liar.
There's no human-animal hybrids.
I had a guy at Conan's Pizza push me.
He'll actually push me.
He was obviously drunk.
He goes, I went to UT.
I had a biology degree.
There's no such thing as animal-human hybrids, you liar.
And I said, how long ago did you go to UT?
1979.
I graduated.
I said, get out of my face before I kick your ass.
I was like, yeah.
This isn't a simulation.
He said, put your hands on me again.
I'm going to break your neck.
And it's not that I'm a tough guy.
That happened, though.
Because he pushed me.
I'm at the counter.
He pushes me.
And I let him do that.
I turned around and I said, you're an idiot, I'm about to beat your ass.
I said, I'm about to break your neck, which I shouldn't have done, but the point is, is that...
jordan holmes
What is the point?
alex jones
There's a bunch of ignorant people that live in la-la land, and they're scared by those of us that actually research things.
dan friesen
Oh, that's the point.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
That's the point.
jordan holmes
I didn't realize that was the point.
dan friesen
I think the point is that he's mad about someone pushing him in a pizza place 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure the point is he's very mad about somebody pushing him in a pizza place 20 years ago.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe unduly mad.
jordan holmes
And it was a perfect place to push somebody.
It's Conan's Pizza.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what you have to.
You have to behave like a barbarian in a Conan's Pizza.
dan friesen
It seems like it's on brand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's like how at the Outback there's no rules.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just right.
Hey, Conan, you gotta be a barbarian.
jordan holmes
You gotta be a barbarian.
dan friesen
And a conqueror.
You gotta conquer your hunger.
jordan holmes
You do have to conquer your hunger.
dan friesen
I just find things like this.
You know, this is along the same lines as the, like, hey, the clip won't play.
I'm happy about that.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No big deal.
dan friesen
Just a real, under-the-surface, severe anger that creeps out every now and again.
jordan holmes
Look, and I'm no stranger to holding inexplicable grudges.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
But 20 years is too long.
dan friesen
Especially for something this trivial.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A guy pushed one time?
Sure.
Yeah.
Let it go.
Alex, let it go.
So, in this next clip, he talks about, you know, we get more of this religious imagery surrounding Trump, which, again, is something that is apparently Chinese in nature.
So I don't know why Alex is doing this.
alex jones
Trump's the most truthful president I've ever seen in my lifetime.
It's dizzying how they spin everything.
He's a liar.
I mean, she's the second coming of Satan here, folks.
dan friesen
So he's the second coming compared to Hillary.
It's the same thing.
It's still just religious savior messages.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we don't have to keep comparing him to Hillary.
We can let that go as well.
dan friesen
Well, no, he's doing that because she is now throwing her hat back in the ring.
So it's totally relevant to talk about her all the time.
But, I mean, he doesn't need that excuse, obviously.
He still talks about her all the goddamn time.
jordan holmes
As do they all.
Wistfully, I believe.
dan friesen
It's just interesting to me, this level of taking such offense at Pat Robertson's comments for the reason that you have laid out.
That is, the mandate of heaven is Chinese communist influence creeping into America.
And then you go ahead and just use very similar...
Terminology, imagery surrounding him in the other direction.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is very much like...
His real issue is with Mandate of Heaven being a traditional...
A traditional...
No.
Not that...
If Pat Robertson had said...
dan friesen
He has the mandate of heaven.
jordan holmes
If Pat Robertson instead had said he is no longer supported by God, Alex would find a different way to hate him.
dan friesen
His approach would be the same.
jordan holmes
But because it's mandate of heaven, he gets to be like, Ah, it's the Chinese!
dan friesen
Now, if Pat Robertson had said Trump...
You got it.
Easy.
jordan holmes
One to one.
dan friesen
So, on one of our recent episodes about the present day, Alex was doing a Black Friday comes early sale.
jordan holmes
Yes, which makes sense.
dan friesen
My position on that was, that's a bad sign.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This isn't a good thing.
It turns out it was a great thing compared to his new sale.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Also, we had to end the 50% off storewide on the storable foods and stuff like that and a lot of the items, but we've brought in an everything must go sale.
Because things are so crazy, I'm not going to sit on any of our inventory.
We have a lot of new things that come back into stock around Christmas, right before Christmas.
But a lot of things aren't coming back in until two, three, four months into next year.
Because they've got to go wild source it.
You've got to have the order in.
It's got to be ready.
It's got to be produced when it comes to you.
And it's just gut level.
I've decided to sell everything out.
And we're selling at 40 to 70% off, even hot bestsellers.
Some of these are at cost, and I've just decided to move everything out so that we have cash in our operations, no matter what happens, to continue battling forward probably six months into next year.
We can go further than that, but I am transferring everything into liquid fuel for major launch operations.
I'm following my gut.
So this sale probably on many items is the biggest ever, and it's the M4s.
Everything must go.
Total super supreme mega sale.
dan friesen
I don't think I have many connotations that are good for everything must go sales.
jordan holmes
The only business that can successfully sustain an infinite everything must go is mattresses, right?
dan friesen
I didn't think those can.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
That's certainly one of the places you see that sign a lot.
jordan holmes
All the time.
No, there was one in Logan Square that I remember walking by over and over and over again for two years at least that had the everything must go sign in it.
Always fine.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's...
jordan holmes
Never anybody in there.
dan friesen
I think you might see those signs at, let's say, I don't know, a Halloween pop-up store in November.
That one will go?
I don't think that most places that are doing well have an everything must go sale.
jordan holmes
Furniture places, everything must go, not a good sign.
dan friesen
Car dealerships, when they want next year's model, or they're just trying to scam people.
Everything must go is not a term.
I feel like Alex would be aware enough of that.
Like, this looks bad.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's gotten really into Marie Kondo.
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's just got so much in the...
He's trying to really find out what products he resonates with.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Based on all of this, I don't think anything sparks joy for him.
But also, according to him, all of these products are selling out, so there's not much clutter in that warehouse.
I don't know.
I don't know.
As always, this is speculative, and Alex is...
No matter what they believe is true, no matter what he can talk them into, I think everybody who's alive understands that an everything-must-go sale is very close to a going-out-of-business sale.
And that connotation isn't something you'd necessarily want to put into people's minds.
It kind of gives a feeling of surrender.
jordan holmes
Inevitability.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
If I were Alex, I would have chosen a different name.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I would go with the one last car wash to save the rec center sale.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That one would work.
dan friesen
There's all kinds of movies you must have seen that you could reference.
jordan holmes
The dance party to save the...
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, that's going out to break, and Alex comes back into break with Everybody Wants to Rule the World, that song.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it gets really wistful for him.
He gets very sentimental.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Tears for Fears does that to just about everybody.
dan friesen
This is a fucking weird little trip down Alex's brain.
alex jones
Jing war on corruption.
dan friesen
It's Alex Jones.
unidentified
Welcome to your life.
alex jones
There's no turning back.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I could listen to an album of that.
alex jones
Nine, ten years old when this song came out.
I remember sitting there at the local neighborhood pool looking at the women, the moms.
I wasn't looking at the teenage girls.
Thinking those look really good.
I'm telling that story right now.
jordan holmes
Don't tell me that story ever.
dan friesen
This is a family show.
jordan holmes
Do not tell me that story.
dan friesen
This is a family show, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I was 9 or 10 and I was listening to Tears for Fears trying to bang moms.
dan friesen
Why am I telling this story?
jordan holmes
Why am I telling this story?
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Alex, weird.
You're very weird.
jordan holmes
That is something I don't want to hear from anybody.
dan friesen
Very strange.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into some more China business and...
This clip doesn't really matter too much, except for the end of it, because it demonstrates real ineffectiveness in Alex's ability to incorporate information that he gets in real time.
When his staff pulls up information and puts it on the document cam and stuff like that, he ends up seeing things, but he's not able to process what he's seeing at all.
And that leads him to say things, perhaps overconfidently and gloatingly, that are not true.
alex jones
The company that's controlling the NBA in China, Tencent, they're the ones that bought Reddit for $150 million.
We're saying they didn't call it buying it, but they run it, and that's when they ban the Donald.
Oh, a Chinese state-run thing buys Reddit and bans Donald Trump's number one website.
More impressions than his Twitter account.
We're just going to let the Chi-Coms do that.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, now it's...
I'm sorry, I said $150 million.
Now it's even more.
Wow, I guess that's, I missed that.
I guess it's $300 million that they bought it for.
Well, on top of $150 million, I guess it's $450 million.
It just keeps growing.
I'm sorry.
I've got my numbers wrong.
It's worse than I'm saying here.
Excuse me.
dan friesen
That's completely not true.
They pulled up a headline that said that Tencent led a round of investment.
They invested $150 million, but the total amount invested by everyone in that round of funding was $300 million.
There was $150 million from other sources, with Tencent being the lead investor in the session.
That's a completely different thing, and that is the $150 million.
It's not in addition to that $150 million that they invested, making it $450 million.
And they didn't buy Reddit.
You couldn't buy Reddit for $150 million?
jordan holmes
No, you can buy it for $150 million.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
It's a $3 billion company.
jordan holmes
Nah, it's $150 million.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Well, okay, they didn't say they bought it, but they put in $150 million of we're going to run your $3 billion company money.
dan friesen
It's 5% ownership if it was a strict buying a stake in things.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But it is a control of the board 5% person.
dan friesen
Control, yes, certainly.
This is hot bullshit.
But what I want to make perfectly clear is the way that Alex doesn't care about anything.
It's just the optics.
The optics need to be that Tencent is running this.
So, oh my god, there's a 300 million number with Tencent in the headline.
That's got to be 300 million more that they put in.
He doesn't fact-check any of this.
He doesn't say later, like, oh, I'm sorry, I got that wrong.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It is the $150 million.
It was a round of investment.
It was other firms that also joined in.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is such bullshit.
You know who put in $750 million?
dan friesen
Well, I know that, who is it?
Snoop Dogg is a big investor, but I don't think that much.
unidentified
Close.
dan friesen
What was that?
jordan holmes
$0.50.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tears for fears.
Vitamin water, $0.50.
Is involved, right?
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Anyway, it's a present day episode, Jordan, so you know what that means.
We've got to talk to Robert Barnes.
Barnes is on.
jordan holmes
How is Barnes on?
dan friesen
He's always on.
He is never far away from an InfoWars microphone.
jordan holmes
What a motherfucker.
dan friesen
So Barnes comes in.
They want to talk about this whistleblower situation and Donald Trump's troubles.
jordan holmes
Sure.
They want to incite a riot, I assume.
dan friesen
I don't even want to really talk about his appearance because it's super boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just want to play this clip.
Because I think that this isn't something good to hear from a lawyer.
robert barnes
It's only obstruction when you have someone doing something illegal to oppose the process.
Doing something illegal is entirely appropriate, in fact, what you're supposed to do in an adversarial process.
dan friesen
So I believe that what Robert Barnes is saying is that you have to commit a crime in order to obstruct justice.
jordan holmes
Right, which is not the case.
dan friesen
From my reading of the definition, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that you can do legal things in order to obstruct an investigation that then become illegal.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is how it works, generally speaking.
dan friesen
I don't know if I...
jordan holmes
Look, okay, so just because you murdered a guy doesn't mean that it's illegal as long as you murdered him legally, right?
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
That's his argument, and it makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
I guess so.
Alright, I'm coming around on this.
jordan holmes
I think it's a good one.
I think he's a great lawyer, Dan.
dan friesen
I find that to be a red flag.
jordan holmes
And I want him to be a judge.
And frankly, it wouldn't be a surprise if he became one.
dan friesen
Put him on the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what I want.
Great legal minds.
dan friesen
So Barnes is on and they're talking about all this stuff.
And in the middle of it, Alex announces that he's having another guest on.
And it's William Binney.
The former technical head of the NSA.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
And the way he announces this is pretty interesting.
alex jones
All right.
The former technical head of the National Security Agency, William Benny, who is recognized as the greatest codebreaker in U.S. history, a super mathematician genius, probably smarter than the guy that broke the Enigma code, who was a genius, over in England.
And, of course, I mean, I don't get excited about LeBron James or, you know, Roger Staubach.
I mean, it's interesting.
It's cool.
I like watching some of those games sometimes.
I think that's cool.
Athletic prowess.
But super mathematicians and stuff, or people that can call things way ahead, that's what I'm into.
That's what I get giddy about.
That's what makes me excited.
And people that have courage to tell the truth, and who are real leaders, and who are trying to build a better world, who aren't chicken-you-know-what's, chicken-you-know-what dimension people, who live in the chicken...
S-H-T dimension.
You just want to keep people down and are upset by other people's success.
Those of us that love justice and love God aren't like that.
But the bad people, they're all over the place.
They are like that.
And we've got to stand up to them.
Speaking of standing up to him, we can't do it if you don't support us financially.
I want to make it really easy for you to do it, and you've really come through.
dan friesen
Smooth.
jordan holmes
There it was.
unidentified
Smooth.
jordan holmes
That was a good one.
dan friesen
So William Benny is really right about everything.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He was a big Seth Rich truther guy, so that's one strike.
jordan holmes
He did the math, Dan.
dan friesen
He did it wrong.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that is a possible thing you could do.
dan friesen
He admitted that he was...
jordan holmes
But he did do the math.
dan friesen
Sure.
And then, of course, who could forget about the time that he came on Alex's show around the time of the Devin Nunez memo?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he claimed that he had a copy of the memo, which Alex reported on air and they read from, and it turned out to not be the Devin Nunez memo.
jordan holmes
No, it was.
dan friesen
No, it was not.
It was a public document that they were passing off as one.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would say that's two strikes.
unidentified
Third strike, being on Alex's show.
dan friesen
So, I do not care about this dude.
jordan holmes
I do like Alex's two categories of person for which he becomes speechless.
Mathematicians and prophets?
dan friesen
Well, he's saying that because Barnes is still there and Barnes is a notorious political gambler.
jordan holmes
Ah, oh, okay.
Now I got it.
dan friesen
That's why he's saying people who can call things way in advance.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
That's him trying to be like, Barnes, you're cool too.
jordan holmes
What a fucking idiot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I don't really particularly care too much about what William Biddy is bringing to the table.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
You can kind of guess what it is.
It's just everything is a grand conspiracy against Trump.
The deep state's doing all of this shit.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
I feel like with the Seth Rich stuff, I don't view you as someone worth my time, even looking into what you're talking about.
And then, with the Nunez memo thing, that was an intentional fraud that was being passed off on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're disqualified, in many ways, from my consideration.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so Bill Binney gets sent off to the dustbin of propagandists.
jordan holmes
Right, which is why he will have a show on After Hannity in two months.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
jordan holmes
He'll replace Shep Smith on Fox News.
dan friesen
I could see it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
I don't know if Benny's got it, though.
I don't know if he has the charisma.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
Charisma.
He doesn't have that je ne sais quoi.
jordan holmes
That X factor.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or he's just ugly on TV.
That's also possible.
dan friesen
And we can tell that he doesn't have that spark here in this last clip.
Because Alex is in the...
This is kind of where we're signing off.
They do talk for a couple more minutes after this, and then Mike Adams takes over the show.
But as Alex is ranting about the globalists and how they just want to destroy everything, something goes terribly wrong.
alex jones
And then as soon as they get control, they immediately just ram the ship onto the beach, wrecking everything, thinking that they just have a right to do it because they were in that position of power when clearly they're breaking the law.
And then now, 20 years later, they think they can remove a president.
This isn't 1974.
They're not getting away with it.
And as they go from being arrogant to now being scared, it makes them even more dangerous.
unidentified
Yes.
Hello?
jordan holmes
What the fuck just happened?
No.
No!
unidentified
Hello?
joel skousen
I think we lost the circuit.
unidentified
Hello?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God!
Oh, it was beautiful!
Keep saying hello, please.
Just keep saying it one more time.
Over the music, say it one more time.
alex jones
We had some issues there, but we're going to come back and finish up with William Benning.
We've been having a lot of problems, but we're going to fix it.
We'll be right back on the other side, hour number four.
Five more minutes of William Benning, then Mike Adams is coming in.
dan friesen
I hate to say it, that's unprecedented.
unidentified
Wow, that is incredible.
jordan holmes
That is so good.
dan friesen
Somebody accidentally hit a cough button on Alex or something right in the middle of a rant, leaving Bill Binney high and dry.
And that's why I don't think he has the juice to host his own show.
So all he could do is say, hello?
unidentified
Hello?
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
The idea of the we'll be right back, technical difficulties music playing, and then just over that being, hello?
dan friesen
Hello?
unidentified
Hello?
jordan holmes
Is anybody there?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, this is kind of...
jordan holmes
That's not a good sign.
dan friesen
No.
No, it is not.
There's a surreal aspect to this, and that is pretty bizarre.
But ultimately, I don't find a ton of inspiration in the present day.
I do think if you listen to these episodes, There is, like, a lot going on in the real world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's a lot of very serious issues.
And some of them are touched on by Alex, like the China stuff.
jordan holmes
Irresponsibly and stupidly.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Then you have stuff like the situation in Syria.
And that's very serious and very real.
Like, that requires immediate action on people's parts.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you have Alex dismissing it without even considering any of the variables.
Like, this isn't withdrawing troops.
This isn't the thing that I'm presenting it as.
I just think that so much of this is very uninspired and also very predictable.
So much of it is with the Trump stuff.
Any piece of news could come out regarding the Ukraine and he's just going to say this is all about Biden.
You can have that.
Anything happens in the world.
It's China's fault.
China sucks.
I'm right about China.
I'm the king of China.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's just, it's, there are interesting trends that I'm interested in following.
Like we talked about, like the idea of what happens if Drudge leaves the team.
Like that's interesting.
But in terms of like big stuff, like it's just, you go in and you expect to find an interesting take or a position or like, is Alex going to, like his principles should lead him.
To abandon Trump over the Turkey and Syria thing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It really should, especially considering how severely he took the bombing when he got drunk on air and screamed, Trump shows ISIS up our dirty assholes.
You would really think that this would be sort of a, well, there's no explanation for this that's acceptable.
But it's not.
It's nothing to him.
He just moves forward with his dumb bullshit.
jordan holmes
It is kind of...
Boring out, I think, what we talked about almost at the very beginning, which is that he has to exist in opposition to power.
He can't exist as a propagandist for it.
It's just too bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you try.
The globalist deep state, everybody is overpowered.
We have the presidency, the Senate, the courts, the Supreme Court, but still we're the victims and the little guys.
You can try that, and it probably works for a bit.
jordan holmes
For a while, but it's...
dan friesen
The illusion falls off eventually, and especially when...
jordan holmes
Especially when it's this comically inept and evil.
dan friesen
And you have no...
Connection to your former adversarial positions.
When the things that you would criticize the other side about, you're absolutely derelict in your duty.
Or just you've given up or forgotten or whatever.
jordan holmes
Well, he's come to just playing pure team sports.
Oh, Trump did this?
That means it's good.
I don't need to think about it.
All I'm going to do is I'm just going to make up shit to defend him anyway, so I don't even need to have any critical analysis.
And he doesn't need to even really work on any spin.
He just lies about it.
Whereas in opposition to power, he can find some angle to attack.
dan friesen
It's much easier to bullhorn in that position, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's...
I mean, it's pointless.
He doesn't have anything worth doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then there's another dynamic, too, that is sort of this ratcheting up of tension and then sort of letting that go and then ratcheting it back up.
Because on other sort of more recent episodes that we've gone over, you see a real intensity towards civil war and stuff like that.
You know, I think that's still living in the background of these episodes, but it's certainly not as much of a fever pitch or as much of a focus for him.
And I think that there's a strategy to that, too.
Like, you know, having people go on that ride, that rollercoaster of intense, this is a real threat, it's an immediate threat, this is happening, it's inevitable.
And then, like, yeah, I'm right about everything.
China sucks.
unidentified
Ray!
dan friesen
I like to look at old women at the pool when I was a kid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I can see that being intentional.
I would say also, it's based on his erratic mood swings.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
So I would say that there's a combination of both, and they happily dovetail into one where he doesn't even need to think about it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's less intentional and more just a, like, this is what he ends up doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then he doesn't really consider the effect that might have had on people.
Yeah.
We just move on.
I don't care that I was just yelling about a civil war.
Let's get on to other issues like boycotting China and trying to make excuses for Trump's ridiculous foreign policy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it fucks up.
I can't imagine being a regular listener because just the clips that you share with me, it fucks up my sense of value.
There's so many things where I'm like...
Shit!
A civil war and so much, all of this shit, and I don't know what's valuable and what we need to, how we can even perform triage on any of this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, like having any sense of scale.
jordan holmes
We're fighting on all fronts, and I don't know, all of them are equally important and equally unimportant in his context, so it's always difficult divorcing yourself from that reality of like, no, this is fucked up, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
It's got to be weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's got to be weird to believe him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And it's like, I don't support anybody.
Nobody is doing good things in any position of power.
It's so infuriating.
Like, oh man, China, they have fucking death camps.
They're exterminating their Muslim population.
That's fucked up.
And then you're like, well, the United States has fucking death camps and we're exterminating populations.
I don't fucking care.
Like, I don't know.
Everybody's fucked.
It's very difficult to respond to this with any kind of semblance of sanity.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I agree.
It's becoming increasingly more so, but it's what you've got to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's a struggle.
It's worth it.
dan friesen
Yep.
And we'll be back on Monday.
unidentified
We will be back.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Hello?
dan friesen
Oh, I see what you're doing.
unidentified
Hello?
dan friesen
I was very worried there for a second.
I thought you'd had a stroke.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at gotobetjordan.
dan friesen
That's correct.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you would like to listen to the podcast, please go to iTunes, download, review, share, go to wherever you listen to podcasts and do the same.
unidentified
We would like to, you know, have other people enjoy it.
dan friesen
But until we're back, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I am the Everything Must Go sale.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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