Today, Dan and Jordan continue their look at the past on see how Alex Jones' path went so horribly wrong after the events of Sandy Hook. In this installment, the gents find Alex defending domestic violence in his fans and trying to launder some terrible information.
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Knowledge Fight. | |
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| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan, what is the word on the streets? | ||
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Have you ever fell asleep? | |
| In public. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Back when I used to work at Groupon at that time in my life, what I had to do is I had to take the Halstead bus all the way from my apartment to work. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| And the Groupon office is a good long shot down Halstead. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Down to Chicago Avenue from my place up in... | ||
| I don't remember exactly where I was living, but I did get on at the terminal stop of the Halstead bus. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So it was all the way as far as... | ||
| Which isn't really that far because it intersects with Broadway. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| For everybody outside Chicago, they have no idea what I'm talking about. | ||
| You're going down to Chicago and Damon. | ||
| It's a bit of a bus trip. | ||
| And I would almost fall asleep literally every morning and every return home. | ||
| I would be sitting there like... | ||
| Like I'd feel myself fading and being like, come on, just fall asleep. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| Just fall asleep. | ||
| And that other voice like, don't do it. | ||
| You're going to be a guy asleep on a bus. | ||
| You already look like you do. | ||
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You can't do that. | |
| You got this huge beard. | ||
| You can't feel this stereotype of somebody who falls asleep on a bus. | ||
| Everyone expects you to be asleep on this bus. | ||
| Don't let them have it. | ||
| Have you ever missed a stop? | ||
| You were asleep? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not being asleep, but I've missed stops before, just from negligence. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Daydreaming. | ||
| That's the worst. | ||
| Because sometimes it's not that bad. | ||
| It's just like, oh, you've got to backtrack a block. | ||
| But sometimes, man, those routes, they'll take you to a really weird place at the next stop. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now you're like half a mile away from where you need to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| In terms of falling asleep in public, though, actually... | ||
| Like church? | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| You fell asleep on one of those pews? | ||
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Definitely. | |
| You did the whole... | ||
| You got the red mark on your forehead from... | ||
| That's less public than... | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Although one time... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Okay, here's a little church story. | ||
| Not really falling asleep. | ||
| All right. | ||
| When I was like, I don't know, maybe 11, 12-ish. | ||
| Put it in that ballpark. | ||
| I discovered how cool it is to lean back in your chair. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, I realized that non-reclining chairs, if you just tipped them up on the back two legs. | ||
| Oh, the two legs? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now you're leaning back in the chair. | ||
| That's cool shit right there. | ||
| So I was in the middle of the church service. | ||
| I went to this, like, mega church. | ||
| It was pretty big, the congregation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was in the back row, and they didn't have pews. | ||
| It was all, like, stationary chairs. | ||
| And I was like, this seems like a perfect opportunity to try out this whole leaning back in my chair thing. | ||
| And so I did it, and I'm leaning back, and I lose control. | ||
| I just fall backwards, right? | ||
| Everybody is like, there's a huge commotion. | ||
| Huge noise. | ||
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I'll be like three, four hundred people in this room. | |
| I'll turn and look back at you. | ||
| But at the time, I played basketball, and I was pretty athletic, so I was pretty smooth. | ||
| I rolled out of the fall and ran out of the room. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| You'll never catch me, motherfuckers! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't know if anybody as a whole knew it was me. | ||
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But I completely disrupted the service. | |
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Later that day, I'm talking to my brother. | ||
| And my brother is like, oh my god, were you in the service today? | ||
| I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's like, did you see that guy fall down? | ||
| Couldn't tell him it was me. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| That was so disruptive, that asshole. | ||
| What an asshole do that. | ||
| Not quite the same as falling asleep, but still pretty embarrassing. | ||
| Still fantastic. | ||
| Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about almost falling asleep on a bus and falling over in my chair in church, and a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me about both. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over. | ||
| I am thrilled to get into some of this meat. | ||
| But before we get to that, I've got to take a little moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| So first, Daniel, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Daniel, my brother. | ||
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All right. | |
| All right, sorry. | ||
| Next, Jessica, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Jessica. | ||
| Next, Colin, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Colin. | ||
| Next, Darren, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you, Darren. | |
| Ranch Dubois. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Ranch Dubois. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Is that a play on Blanche Dubois? | ||
| I would assume so, right? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| I'm going to guess. | ||
| I imagine it's not Web Dubois or W.E.B. | ||
| Dubois. | ||
| I would say that the rhyme doesn't quite work were that to be the case. | ||
| Also, I think it involves ranch salad dressing. | ||
| Yes, that does sound right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level. | ||
| We really appreciate that. | ||
| So, Sean, thank you so much. | ||
| And Oz, comma, Wizard of, thank you so much. | ||
| You are both wonderful technocrats. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare... | ||
| Infowar on you! | ||
| Thank you so much, Sean and Oz, Wizard O. Yes, thank you very much to both good witches, I imagine. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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| It'd be great! | ||
| So, Jordan, I had hoped to do a Wacky Wednesday episode for today, but I regret to inform you that Carrie Cassidy over at Project Camelot has not gone back to Vacaville Prison to talk to Mark Richards yet. | ||
| She's teased that it's going to happen, but it hasn't happened. | ||
| And then the rest of the episodes are like, I just can't. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| She interviewed the former guitarist of the Steve Miller Band. | ||
| That's riveting shit right there. | ||
| It's surprisingly not that good. | ||
| It was not something I could really sink my teeth into, let's say. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Did he just talk about the Steve Miller band or did he also get into aliens? | ||
| It's not aliens. | ||
| It has to do with twins having telepathic connections or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I couldn't handle it. | ||
| My stated position on twins is not allowed. | ||
| Don't like them. | ||
| Suspicious. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Two of the same person? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| No good. | ||
| Not okay. | ||
| So that world was just no good. | ||
| And I can't handle listening to goddamn Jim Baker. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| It's so boring to me. | ||
| I know that people enjoy it, and I wish that we could do more of it, but it is so boring. | ||
| He is the worst. | ||
| He's the worst! | ||
| I don't know what to tell you. | ||
| Even for the purposes of making fun of him, he's the worst. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's a fucking disaster. | ||
| Yeah, so Wacky Wednesday is in a tough space, but we'll figure out something to do with it in the future. | ||
| And then simultaneously, I don't think that Alex's present day is developing in an interesting way either. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Like, the trends that we were seeing on our last present day episode don't seem to be continuing. | ||
| In any way that's compelling. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| So I stuck around in the past, and here we're going to be going over April 9th and 10th, 2013. | ||
| All righty. | ||
| Because I think we saw some very important trends happening on our last 2013 episode, and it's interesting to see where they go. | ||
| And I'll say that I found a couple of really wild things in this stretch of time. | ||
| So there's definitely value here, as opposed to, let's say, talking about... | ||
| Abracadabra by the Steve Miller band. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Well, good. | ||
| My heart is singing. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Is that a Steve Miller reference? | ||
| No. | ||
| Wild Thing? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait, that's not Steve. | ||
| Wild Thing, you make my heart... | ||
| You said I found a couple of wild things. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Thought it was another... | ||
| I thought you thought that was Steve Miller. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Okay, sorry. | ||
| I was going based off the Tone Loke version, by the way, as well. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| Sincerely thought that was an attempt at a Steve Miller joke. | ||
| Was Tone Loke in Steve Miller? | ||
| He was. | ||
| Oh, okay, good. | ||
| Well, then it was. | ||
| So we're going to start here on the 9th, and it's Alex getting pretty severe about some news item that is developing the world. | ||
| This is a topic that he has been covering in the prior days, and I think he's going about this exactly the wrong way. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| North Korea to launch missile tomorrow after warning foreigners to evacuate the South. | ||
| Korea. | ||
| South Korea. | ||
| Precedented. | ||
| To say, we're going to attack you. | ||
| There's going to be explosions in South Korea, Japan, and the West Coast, and Austin. | ||
| He has atomic weapons. | ||
| Our government helped give it to his father in the mid-90s with ABB and Donald Rumsfeld. | ||
| And it's just unprecedented. | ||
| Alex has, up to this point, the last few days of his show, have been involved with Steve Pachanek. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Being in, allegedly, in South Korea. | ||
| He's in South Korea. | ||
| He's going over there, and his whole reason to keep calling into Alex's show is to be like, the media needs to de-escalate this rhetoric. | ||
| It's a load of bullshit. | ||
| This is a psyop. | ||
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Right. | |
| There is no point in trying to saber-rattle all this nonsense and shit. | ||
| To which Alex says, we're all gonna die soon! | ||
| We're all gonna die soon! | ||
| North Korea's going to fire missiles tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, even if they say that, you've got a psych warfare expert who's been coming on your show telling you that the media needs to calm down. | ||
| Do you think that doesn't apply to you? | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| This is directly the opposite. | ||
| No, of course it doesn't apply to him. | ||
| Steve Pachenik supports him. | ||
| Completely. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| And then that stuff about ABB and Donald Rumsfeld giving North Korea those reactors, it's so much more of a complicated situation than Alex is presenting. | ||
| He's selling the version that they just wantonly and randomly were like, ooh, let's arm North Korea. | ||
| Meanwhile, it was in the middle of real, very serious non-proliferation talks where it looked like North Korea was intending to withdraw from the non-proliferation treaty, and we had some reason to believe that they already had better. | ||
| Reactors? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And ABB was allowed to sell these, what is it, the light water reactors because they're much harder to make weapons-grade plutonium with. | ||
| Gotcha, gotcha. | ||
| And as a part of the agreement of selling them these reactors, they had to deactivate and demolish their other reactors and allow weapons inspectors. | ||
| So it was a complicated deal as opposed to just being like, ha-ha, let's give them nukes. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Which is what Alex wants the image to be. | ||
| Which just isn't... | ||
| Isn't real. | ||
| So the deal was very similar to the Iran deal, essentially. | ||
| There are similarities, yeah. | ||
| But also, North Korea was pretty clearly fucking around. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Well, of course. | |
| That's their brand, man. | ||
| They've been doing it for years. | ||
| You understand why someone would possibly make a decision that looks a little bit weird, given the global circumstances that surround it. | ||
| But the optics of it, and what Alex is talking about, is absolutely true. | ||
| Like, Donald Rumsfeld was on the board of ABB, and they did... | ||
| reactors to North Korea at the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But it's also before the agreed framework completely collapsed in like, what was it, 2002. | |
| So like, the world is, like, there are different sets of circumstances that were in place then that changed maybe fairly quickly. | ||
| That's a good way of putting it. | ||
| But even though it appears that selling reactors to them is nuclear-ish, It was an attempt at non-proliferation. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Alex doesn't care. | ||
| No, I mean, it's the old adage. | ||
| We make peace with our enemies. | ||
| We don't need to make peace with our friends. | ||
| That kind of situation. | ||
| And so when you're negotiating... | ||
| That's an okay way to put it. | ||
| Yeah, when you're negotiating something like that, you are going to have to give up something. | ||
| Otherwise, you're not negotiating. | ||
| You're just threatening to bomb them. | ||
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Right. | |
| We'd already given aid in terms of trying to get them to stay within the framework. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it worked a bit, but... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just he doesn't care for the subtleties. | ||
| Nuance is not really his thing. | ||
| I think more importantly, though, he has this dude who's telling him X in the form of Steve Pchenik, and he's like, what if we just do the episode of it? | ||
| I like it. | ||
| It seems strange. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex has another news item that is continuing another trend that we saw on our last episode, and I think he really steps in a big old puddle in this one. | ||
| What a spectacle, Obama using those dead kids and rolling out the parents, saying, America, it's your fault this happened. | ||
| Restrict your guns. | ||
| No, parents, you took your children to a government training center, advertised as a mass shooting facility, and you're the ones, globalists and supporters of it, that are supporting all the mentally ill people on the psychotropics. | ||
| In almost every case, they're on them. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| So what's interesting here is that Alex has been dancing around actor ideas in terms of Sandy Hook. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But now he's expressing that these kids are dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's not delivering the message to his audience that they're actors, but he's blaming the parents. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is worse. | ||
| No, it makes perfect sense. | ||
| It's their fault. | ||
| This is worse. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| It's their fault, and so the only way to solve this problem is to harass them forever until they die. | ||
| That makes perfect sense, right? | ||
| He's been simultaneously dancing around the actor ideas and saying tacit admissions that there are dead children involved in this. | ||
| So his audience can't possibly know what point he's trying to make, because it's all over the place. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| In his acknowledgement that there are children that are dead, he's pointing the finger at the parents. | ||
| Like, you're the one who took them to school. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, you should have homeschooled them. | ||
| If you don't want your kids to die in a school shooting, you gotta homeschool them, Dan. | ||
| That's the only way I can see. | ||
| Gun control? | ||
| That's against the rules. | ||
| Whatever it is, it's like, even if he believes there, or is presenting the belief that there's dead kids, or if it's fake, whatever message he's sending, it's... | ||
| Targeting these parents. | ||
| It's victimizing them all over again. | ||
| One way or another. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's wild how bad this is. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| If you expect it just to jump down the road of the actors trying to take my guns. | ||
| Right, pick a lane. | ||
| What you don't expect is like, hey, guess what? | ||
| The shooting was real and... | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you, parents. | ||
| You took your kids to school. | ||
| You should have known. | ||
| It's a government disarmament zone. | ||
| Hey, if you took your kids to the golf course and they got struck by lightning, what are you doing golfing? | ||
| That's your fault, Dan. | ||
| You know that that's a weather disarmament zone? | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| These trends that we're seeing are just completely fucked up. | ||
| It's so much weirder than I expected. | ||
| I mean, because he knows that it's real. | ||
| He knows that the kids died. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So it's almost like his waffling position is just as much him forgetting whether or not he's lying at this point in time. | ||
| If he's coming off the dome, he might accidentally acknowledge that it wasn't a false flag and the kids actually died. | ||
| But if he's thinking about it... | ||
| Then he can present you a clear, everything was a false flag bullshit. | ||
| Some of that's possible, but if you want to look at it in the crassest way possible, just the most cynical approach, it's like, this is market testing. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| You can say A and B and see what the audience responds to more and then go with that. | ||
| If you're looking at it from a marketing perspective, that could easily explain this sort of disjointed behavior where everything's fake and then also it's real but it's the government and it's the parents' fault for bringing kids to school. | ||
| I don't know what he's doing, but... | ||
| Like, if it's accidental, it's still manipulative as hell. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And insane to expect his audience to figure out what the point is. | ||
| Yeah, it's Schrodinger's school shooting. | ||
| Until the audience determines which one they believe in, both exist at the same time, and then the waveform collapses, and guess what? | ||
| False flag, all actors. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| So, there's the other trend that we were seeing in the last episode, and that was that Alex is really, really seriously ramping up his rhetoric about how the globalists want to take your kids. | ||
| Yeah, he's trying to get people killed. | ||
| Well, I mean, by proxy, yeah, or by extension. | ||
| But that seemed to be a giant editorial move on his part. | ||
| It was like, we're focusing on this. | ||
| CPS is coming. | ||
| They're also having sex with your kids and then they want to deliver them back to you dead or something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex has found a news item that dovetails into that narrative and he decides to go whole hog with it. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| And it was a very bad idea for him to do this. | ||
| You know where you gotta go now if you want to escape the incredible tyranny of the United States? | ||
| You gotta flee to Cuba. | ||
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Huh. | |
| They've got surveillance footage from the dock in Tampa, Florida, where they believe Michael Haken and his wife with their two children that they kidnapped. | ||
| He's supposedly the Air Force veteran engineer, his wife an engineer. | ||
| No criminal record got caught with a bowl of marijuana in Louisiana, so they took his kids. | ||
| And a year later, he was tired of it, so he went and got them back, and I was just watching CNN. | ||
| They're all breathless. | ||
| He ran to Cuba with the kidnapped children, and they've all got real serious faces. | ||
| There's nothing worse than a family. | ||
| Now, if you drone strike a whole village to kill one guy, that's peace prize. | ||
| But I'm telling you, a dad and a mother standing up to the state with their kids, I mean, there is nothing worse. | ||
| Point well taken about drones. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I'm going to give you that one. | ||
| Don't know if it's related, but... | ||
| Obama shouldn't have that peace prize, but yeah, I'm with you. | ||
| So Alex has this dude's name wrong. | ||
| His name is actually Joshua Haken. | ||
| I think that he might have said it intentionally wrong to make it harder for people to find the story that he's talking about. | ||
| So what's going on here at this stretch of time, like I said, on Alex's show, is that he's really into the idea that the globalists want to take your kids. | ||
| He needs to push that. | ||
| So he's trying to latch onto any story that comes close to these sorts of elements. | ||
| And thus he ends up making heroes out of this Florida couple who kidnapped their own two children and tried to flee to Cuba. | ||
| They're white, so Alex views this as the state cracking down on them. | ||
| But I don't make such quick snap judgments. | ||
| Oh, you don't? | ||
| No. | ||
| So I needed to know more about the case before I made a decision about what I thought. | ||
| I don't understand why you would want more information before you throw out a theory half-cocked. | ||
| So my first red flag was from an NBC Miami article about the couple being found trying to flee. | ||
| Specifically the part where the children's grandfather, who had permanent custody of the children, was completely on board with what the police did. | ||
| This wasn't a case where the kids were adopted out to strangers or something. | ||
| It was family members, and they were in agreement that Joshua shouldn't have custody of those kids. | ||
| That's a pretty relevant piece of information, because your family knows you pretty well. | ||
| No, no, globalists. | ||
| They're all globalists, Dan. | ||
| They're all in on it. | ||
| The second thing I found particularly interesting was that this was not the first time Joshua had tried to kidnap his children. | ||
| See, that does not surprise me, even in the slightest. | ||
| Apparently, for a short amount of time after the state had taken away his parental rights, they were in a foster home. | ||
| And he showed up at that foster home to try and remove them from custody at gunpoint. | ||
| Okay, well... | ||
| That's a pretty extreme behavior. | ||
| If you're showing up brandishing a gun trying to get your kids back, you're not some kind of noble hero. | ||
| You are crazy. | ||
| Someone who's really trying to get their kids back shows up to hearings. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They deal with their father-in-law who has custody of the children. | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| Just showing up to somebody's house with a gun to try and get anything means you should have your kids taken away, even if it's trying to get back your kids. | ||
| And your guns should be taken away, too. | ||
| That's a different discussion, but I don't disagree. | ||
| Normally, when a regular person hears a story like this about a parent who's kidnapped their child, their response is to be a bit cautious. | ||
| No! | ||
| Well, the parental instinct, I won't disagree, is a very strong one. | ||
| Cases where people kidnap their own children are generally ones that involve deeply disturbed individuals. | ||
| So it's usually best to get a little more information before you support a particular person in that kind of situation. | ||
| Alex doesn't play that shit. | ||
| He's got parental paranoia to stir up, so he paints Joshua Haken as a hero, and man, that is a horrible decision that he made. | ||
| The way Alex is reporting this, Joshua lost his kids because he was arrested with a bowl of marijuana in a hotel room, which is a bullshit charge. | ||
| What do you see? | ||
| Do you see like a key bowl? | ||
| You know, like a 1970s key party and he's just got this giant fish bowl filled with weed? | ||
| No, I mean, you just imagine a hash pipe. | ||
| You just imagine one of those... | ||
| I can't even talk credibly about weed anymore. | ||
| It's been way too long for me. | ||
| But that's what Alex is saying. | ||
| He just had a little bit of weed, and then the government evilly took his kids away. | ||
| In reality, I'm going to read you here from the Tampa Bay Times. | ||
| Oh, I'm not excited for this. | ||
| Quote, Slidell police were called to the Holiday Inn where the Hakens were staying on the afternoon of June 17, 2012, after receiving calls about a woman running down a hallway and knocking on doors. | ||
| They found Sharon Haken, 34 years old, with, quote, multiple bruises on her body and bumps on her head, where it looked like she was beaten. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Quote, He believed that she was possessed by spirits and said that he'd choked her to unconsciousness multiple times to rid her of those spirits. | ||
| Gotcha, gotcha. | ||
| So he's a biblical literalist. | ||
| In interviews with authorities, the children said that they'd seen him hit their mother in their presence. | ||
| He may have got arrested for marijuana possession initially, but the reason the situation escalated to the point it did where he lost custody was because of very serious domestic problems that were uncovered as a result of their initial call to the hotel room. | ||
| which didn't have to do with weed. | ||
| They got there and found drugs, a battered woman and crying children. | ||
| It would have been completely negligent for them just be like, eh, seems fine. | ||
| Also, according to this Tampa Bay Times article, the police found a large knife in the hotel room, which Josh asked them not to take because, quote, I needed to complete the ultimate objective of my journey. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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A. If you need a knife to complete the ultimate objective... | |
| A large knife. | ||
| If you need a large knife to complete the ultimate objective, you better either be going through the jungle... | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Or fucking returning that knife to the fucking princess so she can survive her coronation. | ||
| You better not be hanging out with a wife you admit that you assault. | ||
| Proudly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a hotel room. | ||
| Weed's no big deal, but for people who have other problems, it's very bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So what I'm saying is these are some red flags. | ||
| And if you're the police, you have every reason to assume that there's murder possibilities here. | ||
| This is not a situation that you can just allow to be like, well, let's see what happens. | ||
| No, this is murder-suicide written all over it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| In discussions with the authorities, Joshua laid out his completely insane theories about how he was subjected to attacks by microwave weapons by the government and how he was a victim of MKUltra. | ||
| He was convinced of literally every anti-government conspiracy theory you can think of and was ultimately deemed legally insane by multiple mental health professionals. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| Ultimately, Joshua would get sentenced to 15 years in prison for kidnapping his children, and during his sentencing, he was given an opportunity to speak, which resulted in him ranting about nonsense for about 30 minutes. | ||
| They gave him the opportunity to speak and they didn't stop him? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Nobody Oscars'd his speech off? | ||
| I honestly think, also, if we're looking at this from a, like, what's best standpoint... | ||
| I kind of agree with his defense attorney that is like, going to prison is not going to help him at all. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| He belongs in a hospital. | ||
| I was really surprised when you said... | ||
| Actually, no. | ||
| I was not surprised when you said he got 15 years in prison. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Well, that's a bad idea. | ||
| It seems to confirm a lot of his anti-government paranoia and stuff. | ||
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It sure does. | |
| Like, that's what his defense attorney was arguing. | ||
| And I can see that. | ||
| I think one of the reasons that he did end up being sentenced to prison was because there was some dissenting voices about his legal insanity status. | ||
| Some people who talked to him said that he was competent to stand trial. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And I think because of some of that disagreement, there was like, fuck it, throw him to prison. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If I were the judge, I probably would be like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would honestly think, especially after this 30-minute diatribe, he's probably beyond the point where anyone can help him. | ||
| But there might be a chance. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because clearly drugs are involved here, too. | ||
| This is not probably someone who's just doing marijuana. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If he was a school shooter, Alex might have a point saying that he was on psychotropic drugs. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I might give him that one. | ||
| Actually, he refused all drugs whenever he was... | ||
| In Holding. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They discussed how that was like, another reason it would be pointless to put him in prison is because he's not going to take... | ||
| Or to put him in a hospital. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| If you put him in prison, he's not going to take meds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas there is a chance they could forcibly give him meds. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Now I gotcha. | ||
| I don't know if that's part of the reasoning for why they wanted him to go to a hospital. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, I would err on the side of like... | ||
| Put him in a federal hospital. | ||
| Yeah, I doubt prison guards are going to chase him down and say, did you take your meds today? | ||
| Yeah, I have no idea. | ||
| I think that what you have here is a very disturbed and domestically violent person. | ||
| But on the stand, I'll read to you from this Tampa Bay Times article, quote, He had been reborn twice, survived attempts on his life, and witnessed deer, snakes, and foxes bow down to him, he said. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Quote, I am Icarus. | ||
| I am Muhammad to the Shia Muslims. | ||
| I am the Joshua of the tribe of Judah. | ||
| I am the Pahana, or the true white friend of the Hopi. | ||
| I am the one written about in prophecies. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So, this guy's a little out there. | ||
| Take some violence away and we could do an episode about him. | ||
| This is not the story of a heroic father who wanted to reclaim his children from the evil state who had ripped them from him. | ||
| This is an insane domestic abuser committing insane levels of domestic abuse. | ||
| It's staggering to imagine what those kids were going through in that household and what they went through when they were kidnapped. | ||
| I mean, just consider, in order to kidnap the children, Joshua actually tied up their grandmother to get away with them. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when the kids were rescued, they were badly sunburned for being out on that boat that was headed to Cuba. | ||
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Of course. | |
| This is a seriously traumatic of... | ||
| And I think that's great. | ||
| But even so, I still think there's going to be a fingerprint of, like, some trauma. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| There's going to be some sort of PTSD. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the reality doesn't matter to Alex. | ||
| It's all about optics. | ||
| And here we have a story that he can turn into being about the evil government taking your kids. | ||
| So he doesn't give a fuck about what he's actually doing by supporting this guy is supporting domestic violence. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I like how he yada yadas all of that with just... | ||
| So they took away his kids, and then a year later, he was tired of it, and so he went and got him. | ||
| That's the end of the story for him. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| No, because also prior to that, he was tired of it and showed up at a foster home with a gun. | ||
| Yeah, but somehow I feel like Alex would totally understand that move. | ||
| Like, Alex, if you were talking to Alex... | ||
| I agree with you, but it's weirdly absent from his coverage of the story. | ||
| If you were talking to Alex, he would be like, Yeah, if somebody took my kids away, I'd go wherever they were with my gun, and I'd be willing to kill anybody who got in the way of me and my kids and that kind of thing. | ||
| And I understand the appeal of that line of thinking and that rhetoric. | ||
| The inseparability of parents and child? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those archetypes? | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| And, like, let's say if some gang of the mafia took your kid, then... | ||
| Totally fine with that. | ||
| By all means. | ||
| It's literally the plot of Taken. | ||
| If it's Taken, cool. | ||
| There aren't, like, proper recourse in terms of, like, systems where you can get your parental rights back with the mafia. | ||
| They don't have those. | ||
| The Cousin Oster do have hearings they hold once a year to see if they can give kids back. | ||
| They don't have competency hearings with the Don or whatever. | ||
| Anyway, I was... | ||
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On this the day of my daughter's wedding, I will give you back your child. | |
| I realized that this, like, it really is just, it's a part of Alex's continuing coverage of The Globalist Want to Take Your Kids. | ||
| This weaves perfectly into it so he doesn't care about the details. | ||
| And that was enough for me to, like, be, okay, that's why Alex is covering this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the more he kept talking, the more I realized there was another reason. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And the reporters just all looked extremely freaked out. | ||
| On CNN during the break, right before we went live here, they were, this is just terrible. | ||
| These anti-government people are despicable. | ||
| Why, they don't believe the state owns the children. | ||
| And they don't believe we should be able to put hundreds of vaccines in them. | ||
| And they don't like America being run by a foreign new world order. | ||
| And worst of all, they had an Infowars.com bumper sticker. | ||
| On their house. | ||
| It is just absolutely horrible. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Joshua Haken was an info warrior. | ||
| There it is! | ||
| Gotta get out in front of that one. | ||
| Gotta control the narrative on that one. | ||
| Definitely don't want people... | ||
| A reporter who showed up at his house, this dude's house, found an InfoWars bumper sticker on the guy's mailbox. | ||
| On the mailbox? | ||
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Yes. | |
| What an asshole. | ||
| So Alex has every reason to, as they say, protect the business. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Protect the brand here. | ||
| And what's interesting about this is, like, if Alex ran into this guy on the street, I mean, we've seen how he interacts with his fans. | ||
| He runs away from them. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He would run away from this dude in a second. | ||
| This dude's terrifying! | ||
| Of course he would! | ||
| I choked my wife out to get rid of spirits. | ||
| Also, I'm the Pahana. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| I like you. | ||
| First off, I too think we are our ancestors. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then he jumps up, his legs spin, and he disappears in a cloud of smoke. | ||
| He runs through a wall to get away from him. | ||
| It's a fucking cartoon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Haken painted a mural on the wall of a long tunnel, and he just goes straight through it. | ||
| But because this guy is safely going to be in prison, and his story can be manipulated and used to... | ||
| Whatever narratives Alex has. | ||
| He's a hero. | ||
| And he's an info warrior. | ||
| So they're trying to make all of us look bad. | ||
| Who's probably the globalists who put that sticker on the mailbox? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Probably. | ||
| God, if I was the mail person and I walked to that mailbox every day and saw that Infowars sticker, I'm laying the mail on the ground. | ||
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Because there's no way I'm opening up that mailbox. | |
| I think that might be illegal. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| But that mailbox might have a fucking snake in it or a bomb or something. | ||
| It's a snake that's going to just pop out and be like, don't tread on me. | ||
| I think that any disruption of the mail service, regardless of who does it, is a crime. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I believe that's the case. | ||
| It's one of those things. | ||
| It's technically, as I recall, it's a felony to smash mailboxes. | ||
| It's a much more serious crime than just petty larceny. | ||
| But they didn't have weather, rain, nor sleet, nor hail, nor InfoWars bumper stickers. | ||
| It was just the weather that they were talking about there. | ||
| I think InfoWars bumper stickers are still open season for ignoring. | ||
| You may have an argument here. | ||
| So Alex talks a little bit more about this Josh situation, and this is really interesting because he tries to read an article about it, but listen very carefully because there is a certain point where he stops reading, and I know where that point is. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| The boys have been living since last year with their maternal grandparents who were granted permanent custody a week ago. | ||
| The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office alleges that Michael Hagen. | ||
| And it goes on from there. | ||
| You know what it alleges? | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Why did he? | ||
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What kind of... | |
| Oh, fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you, Alex from 2013. | ||
| That's right where it says that he tied the grandmother up. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| I guess that's where they outline all the reasons that he shouldn't have his fucking kids. | ||
| Right, and I want to play this again. | ||
| Now that you know that, listen to this and see how, like, in the middle of a sentence, Alex stops reading because he's scanned ahead and is like, uh-oh, that interferes with the narrative that this dude tied up the grandmother. | ||
| Yeah, he's not going to win that. | ||
| The boys have been living since last year with their maternal grandparents who were granted permanent custody a week ago. | ||
| The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office alleges that Michael Hagen, and it goes on from there. | ||
| God, that's so fucking pathetic. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's pathetic, not least of which because it does ruin our long-standing theory that he is 100% illiterate. | ||
| He can read ahead at least in 2013. | ||
| My argument has never been that he's actually illiterate. | ||
| It's that he lacks reading comprehension. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or he lacks bigger picture... | ||
| Context skills in terms of reading. | ||
| He has a fucked up version of literacy. | ||
| Just the actual words he can make out. | ||
| But also it demonstrates there's no preparation. | ||
| He doesn't know this story at all before he starts reporting it. | ||
| Because he would have known that this paragraph gets into the fact that this dude tied up a grandma. | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| God, that would really fuck him up too. | ||
| If he... | ||
| Oh my god, if he accidentally... | ||
| If he accidentally read it, yeah. | ||
| Oh, that'd be so good. | ||
| Sometimes you gotta tell your grandma! | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Trying to twist the pretzel to get around that. | ||
| That would be fun to watch. | ||
| He's reading it, he's like, this is gonna be too tough. | ||
| It goes on from there. | ||
| It goes on from there. | ||
| I do like a good real-time punt. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, in real time, he was like, nope, not gonna win that battle. | ||
| Gonna move on. | ||
| It's pretty impressive, like those editorial skills. | ||
| Nope, this is against the narrative. | ||
| Nope, get it out of here. | ||
| So we get back to a little bit of Sandy Hook talk here. | ||
| And Alex is pretty much spinning his wheels, trying to find ways to attack the mainstream media's story about Sandy Hook without going too far with it. | ||
| And he finds something that he thinks is indicative of a connection between so many of these school shootings that lends itself... | ||
| I don't know, the appearance of maybe it's all staged event. | ||
| And man, this is crazy stuff. | ||
| This is the type of stuff they're doing. | ||
| And I'm going to tell you, New Haven, Sandy Hook, it's got Inside Job written all over it. | ||
| You look at Harris and Clybold and all of these events. | ||
| I mean, you know, the parents are always working for DARPA. | ||
| So, his argument here is relying on a conspiracy theory that Adam Lanza's mother worked for DARPA. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that one. | ||
| Now, I have no idea about the credence of anything I'm about to tell you. | ||
| I want to make that caveat right up top. | ||
| I want to give you that qualification and then we can take what we find. | ||
| And from there, I'll allow you and the audience to make their own conclusions. | ||
| So like I said, Alex is talking about the idea that Adam Lanza's mom, Nancy, worked for DARPA. | ||
| I can find, this is not true. | ||
| Nancy was unemployed, having been awarded enough in alimony from her divorce Making that claim. | ||
| There are a lot of weird blogs and independently run conspiracy sites that claim Nancy moved to Newtown in order to work for DARPA. | ||
| And without exception, they all basically... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Why wouldn't it be the Russian intelligence service that leads to this bullshit? | ||
| Don't get ahead of yourself. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The earliest reporting that I can find on this is dated December 15, 2012, just after the shooting. | ||
| There's no link to the FSB report that I can find, and there's no substantiation for this outside of it just being asserted on a website called whatdoesitmean.com. | ||
| In order to gauge that site's editorial standards, I decided to check out their front page and see what news they're reporting, and here are some of their headlines. | ||
| Michael Haken, great guy! | ||
| Quote, Russia mobilizes 12,000 troops after a snake-like alien craft communicating with mysterious interstellar object attacks Norway. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| I remember when the snake... | ||
| No, that's happening right now. | ||
| That's happening right now. | ||
| Right now. | ||
| In 2019? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, I thought that was 2013. | ||
| That's their top headline. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's one from a little while back. | ||
| Quote, U.S. Army takes over Pentagon after U.S. Navy smuggles ISIS snipers into America to kill Trump. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now that is the type of ridiculous world I want to live in. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I prefer that to the one we're living in currently. | ||
| Because I'll tell you right now, if the Army and the Navy are currently in a death battle over who controls the Pentagon... | ||
| They generally just have a high-profile football game. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, and the Navy is smuggling in ISIS, which is like, why are you smuggling in ISIS? | ||
| You're the Navy. | ||
| We've got to have plausible deniability. | ||
| It's in the headline to kill Trump. | ||
| So they do that, they do that, they've got that going. | ||
| I'll tell you what, we don't have time to talk about Sean Spicer. | ||
| That's what I'm saying right now. | ||
| That's what I want to live in. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| This site is full of bullshit. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| Yes, it is, Dan. | ||
| But if you look through the content that's posted on that site, it really feels like almost all of the stories are overtly pro-Russia and seem to start by citing unseen reports allegedly circulating in the Kremlin. | ||
| And this is suspicious. | ||
| Now, in the ensuing days after this report was published on December 15, 2012, the information made its way onto message boards and eventually to websites like Super Soldier Talk and sites with seemingly non-insane names, but are insane, like eutimes.net. | ||
| There's absolutely zero doubt that Alex either got the information he's repeating from this site or someone reposting this site's content. | ||
| It's absolutely the root of the theory from which all of the branches grow. | ||
| Now, I don't believe the author of this site is relying on real Russian intelligence reports to make their site. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That giant snake alien really reminds me of something. | ||
| It's possible, but it also seems super unlikely to me. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It seems more like the site is run by a real weirdo conspiracy theorist who relies on claiming FSB reports. | ||
| That you know no one can confirm or deny or anything like that in order to create the validity and the credibility of whatever bullshit you're putting out. | ||
| The site is alleged to be run by a person named Sorcha Fall, F-A-A-L, whose actual name is Sister Maria Teresa. | ||
| What? | ||
| You see, Sorcha Fall... | ||
| What did you just say to me? | ||
| Sorcha Fall is a title that's given to a person after they're elected to this position of leadership in a group known as the Order of Sorcha Fall. | ||
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| And this woman, Maria Teresa, is the 73rd in the line of Sorcha Falls after her election in 2007. | ||
| 73rd. | ||
| Long line. | ||
| What are their term limits? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I couldn't get that information. | ||
| Because if it's lifetime appointment, we're dealing with some fucking... | ||
| This is the Illuminati. | ||
| Templar order is what we're dealing with right now. | ||
| I think it's bullshit. | ||
| Well, she is the only white friend to the Hopi. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| She is Pahana. | ||
| Many folks on message boards believe this to be a cover and that the real author of the site is a guy named David Booth. | ||
| Many people don't think that that guy is telling the truth. | ||
| Yeah, some people believe it's a guy named David Booth, but some people actually think that David Booth himself is a cover for somebody else. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's a lot of bullshit. | ||
| But the bottom line is this shit is shady as hell, and this is not a good source of information. | ||
| If you're relying on this, you are in bad shape. | ||
| I'm going to toss out this theory. | ||
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Love it. | |
| Putin gets bored, so he likes to write fanfic. | ||
| That's the goal right there. | ||
| He's got all these secret intelligence reports from the Kremlin, so why not? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| See, I don't think it's a Russian intelligence front or anything like a Putin live journal. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| All right, I'll have to read it further. | ||
| For one reason, I think that they would do a much better job with the site, which looks like a GeoCity's nightmare. | ||
| It's just a disaster. | ||
| That aspect of this isn't really important to me, though. | ||
| But what is that Alex is accepting this information is true. | ||
| And legitimately, the only place that it could be coming from is this website. | ||
| We can see it when we look at this April 2013 period. | ||
| Alex is in the process of changing his mind and his coverage about Sandy Hook. | ||
| And one of the things he's decided is credible is information being put out by the 73rd Sorcha Fall. | ||
| This is nuts. | ||
| No one is convincing him of this. | ||
| No one has come on the show and told him this piece of information. | ||
| Alex is introducing it to the show himself, presenting it as something credible. | ||
| And that's really fucked up. | ||
| The only two possibilities here, I think this covers all possible realities. | ||
| One, is he got the information directly or secondhand from the site himself and thought it was cool. | ||
| Or two, someone told him that Lanza's mom worked for DARPA and he did literally no work in trying to substantiate it before repeating it on air. | ||
| This shit is embarrassing. | ||
| But this lack of any kind of standard for disseminating very serious information is also really dangerous. | ||
| And we're seeing it right here. | ||
| We're seeing this lack of editorial standard in any way. | ||
| Because he wants to say the globalists want to take the kids, he's defending this completely insane, domestic, violent weirdo who has an InfoWars sticker on his mailbox. | ||
| And then because he wants to cast suspicion about Sandy Hook... | ||
| And claim that Adam Lanz's mom works for DARPA. | ||
| He's taking information that's been laundered from a fake Russian intelligence report on a completely insane website. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It almost seems like having a thing that you want to be true and then just searching the internet, scouring for any possible proof of that might lead you to a... | ||
| Say wrong, evil, dumb things. | ||
| Or, as I like to call it, right-wing media. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why I'm really glad that I started out this show with an openness to Alex being right about some things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've not set out to prove him wrong about things. | ||
| It just happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Well, it's just like Thomas Jefferson said. | ||
| This guy, Alex, is fucking stupid. | ||
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| I think now it's just become habit, too. | ||
| It's so consistent that he's just wrong about all this shit that it seems like I'm setting out to debunk him, but not. | ||
| It's just that situation of if you are doing anything and you have already decided what the endgame is and you will ignore literally anything else along the way in order to get to that endgame, you're just... | ||
| That's pointless. | ||
| Like, any study, any study that's paid for by the fucking Koch brothers where they're like, ah, see, we actually found a small ice age in ba-da-da-da-da is all built around the idea that we saw this little weird bit of data, so recontextualize it so we can lie about it. | ||
| That's all we want to do. | ||
| We don't want to find out anything that we don't want to be true. | ||
| The small version of that is Alex finding a story about a guy fleeing to Cuba. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's like, well, now it turns out everybody has their kids vulnerable to the state. | ||
| There's an ice age in Canada for a few years, so that means that the entire fucking government and science establishment is trying to lie to us in order to get fucking carbon taxes. | ||
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| That's it. | ||
| So Alex is really mad on this episode, this April 9th, about Obama meeting with the Sandy Hook families, and he thinks that they're using them as props in order to achieve their gun control agenda. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Taking the guns. | ||
| Which now, let me check my watch. | ||
| It's 2019. | ||
| How are we doing? | ||
| Still hasn't happened at all. | ||
| Did they get him? | ||
| No. | ||
| So here is Alex talking about how Obama uses fake polls in order to make his arguments. | ||
| All right, so Obama quotes some university poll, government-funded poll, that no other polls show that 90% of people support, quote, background checks that are really registration for confiscation. | ||
| Criminals go out and get their guns regardless. | ||
| Mentally ill people are just going to steal him like Adam Lanza did if you even believe he's not a total patsy. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So in that clip, you get a really interesting glimpse into how Alex twists things on multiple levels, multiple axes, if you will. | ||
| The first move is saying that the stats Obama cited are from a government poll. | ||
| He then further impugns the numbers by saying that they're out of line with every other poll. | ||
| Then he recontextualizes the poll itself by saying that the background checks are actually just registration for confiscation. | ||
| These are all things he's doing without providing any evidence or support. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| He's just attacking the statistic without doing any of the work he needs to do in order to refute it. | ||
| As for calling the poll a government poll, that's a meaningless attack. | ||
| The polls that Obama were using were Gallup polls. | ||
| And if Alex is saying that Gallup is just controlled by the government, then what he's doing is just trying to wage a full-scale war on any semblance of a shared reality that's measured by statistical analysis. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good thing that would never work. | ||
| That Gallup analysis found that the support for all of Obama's planned initiatives to deal with gun violence was overwhelmingly positive. | ||
| criminal background checks on all gun sales. | ||
| 82% would vote for increased government spending for mental health programs for the youth. | ||
| 75% would vote for an increased criminal penalty for people who buy guns for people who couldn't pass a background check. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These were ideas that Obama had proposed, but Gallup polled people specifically neutrally by not connecting the plans to Obama in their questioning. | ||
| Yeah, and the moment they fucking connected it to Obama, it's like 50% fucking fuck these people! | ||
| It probably dropped, but I don't know. | ||
| I didn't see any poll that tried it with Obama's name to see the discrepancy. | ||
| Well, it's what they did with the ACA. | ||
| Every time they polled without mentioning that it was... | ||
| Right, calling it Obamacare versus ACA where there was differences. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Sorry for interrupting. | ||
| Oh, that's all right. | ||
| But the way you sort of neutralize that effect is by just saying, like, do you support this position as opposed to do you support Obama's position? | ||
| Obama's position, yeah. | ||
| And that's what they did, and they found overwhelming support for all of it. | ||
| That's very hard for Alex to deal with. | ||
| So he just says it's a government poll, and now he doesn't have to deal with the fact that he himself is an extreme outlier. | ||
| As to the question of whether or not this result is in line with other poll results. | ||
| I don't know what he's talking about. | ||
| Polling has been very consistent in showing huge support for these sorts of measures. | ||
| A couple of things to discuss. | ||
| Gallup takes track of historical trends. | ||
| And one question they've asked in polls since 1990 is, quote, In general, do you feel that laws covering the sale of firearms should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now? | ||
| In the entire history of asking that question, the percent that say less strict has never been more than 14%. | ||
| And is regularly less than 10. The side saying more strict has only been under 50% seven times in the entire history of polling that question, and it's never been lower than 43%. | ||
| Their polls have shown massive support for background checks universally over a long span of time. | ||
| Dan, that can't be true. | ||
| We live in a democracy, so it seems like if a large majority of people support something, there's no way that it couldn't be passed into law. | ||
| We live in a republic. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Perhaps a corrupt republic? | ||
| A kleptocratic nightmare oligarchy? | ||
| Well, when you... | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Yes, if it was just put to a raw vote of the public, yes, absolutely, these things would be taken care of. | ||
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Easily. | |
| And when you compare those results that Gallup has historically to other polls... | ||
| You see that it's not an outlier at all. | ||
| Quinnipiac's June 2017 study found 94% approval for background checks. | ||
| Washington University's July 2016 found 84%. | ||
| There's literally nothing I can find to support the idea that Alex is advancing, namely that there's credible polls showing lower support for background checks for gun purchasing, which is why he needs the last element. | ||
| The reframing of background checks just to be about regulation for confiscation. | ||
| And honestly, I can't do anything with that kind of paranoia. | ||
| You can just run wild with that shit if you want to. | ||
| Like, you shouldn't have to do a background check when I apply for a job. | ||
| That's just letting the government know where I work so they can get me fired. | ||
| You shouldn't do a background check when I try to rent an apartment. | ||
| That's just telling the government where I live so they can send a drone at me for being a patriot. | ||
| In life, there are times when submitting to a background check are pretty understandable and necessary. | ||
| If your real problem is that you think that this is some kind of registration, then you should be politically moving to help shape the system that the background checks take place in. | ||
| You should be pushing for background checks that are not kept on file. | ||
| You should be advocating for the background checks to be as anonymized as possible with no data retention. | ||
| What you shouldn't do, if you're a sane person, is pretend that background checks are the same thing as confiscation. | ||
| Because ultimately what you're doing then is actively supporting people who can't pass background checks getting guns. | ||
| If that's what you're all about... | ||
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Cool. | |
| But don't try to act like you're in favor of responsible gun ownership then. | ||
| Because you're not. | ||
| You're lying. | ||
| You're literally in favor of irresponsible gun ownership. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you fall back on the, like, criminals who get guns anyway. | ||
| It's like, you're being a nihilist about this. | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Look, look, look. | ||
| But also... | ||
| You're gonna get shot, so why try and not get shot, huh? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But also, I'm saying, like, own that position. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, don't try to pretend that you're in favor of law-abiding, honest, good people owning guns. | ||
| You're eroding a system where there could be checks and controls in place. | ||
| You can't own that position. | ||
| There are less than 10% of the rest of the country that agrees with you. | ||
| You have to lie about your position and pretend that you're in the majority in order to trick enough of those idiots into following along with your dumb bullshit that they don't agree with. | ||
| I mean, it's just a mess. | ||
| So, on this episode, I think we've seen, like, a good bit of Alex kind of, like, just being full of shit about various things, trying to lead his audience to believe that Joshua Haken is a hero, particularly. | ||
| You know, lying about things, passing along the idea that Nancy worked for DARPA based on this dumb blog. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this clip I find particularly funny. | ||
| You see, you've got the globalists that know they've got a public. | ||
| You've got two different publics. | ||
| You've got a public that's awake and aware, and then you've got the public that literally are as dumb as the day is long, the most gullible, soft, stupid, pathetic... | ||
| On the government dole. | ||
| And I don't just mean welfare people. | ||
| I mean all the government types. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So there's two publics. | ||
| There's Alex's awake and aware people, and then there's the dum-dums who don't agree with him. | ||
| I imagine he thinks one of those is more important and should have more power than the other one. | ||
| I assume so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, I wonder if that's buzz marketing for Carrie Cassidy's awake and aware conference. | ||
| That is the name of her conference. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe this is a wacky Wednesday after all. | ||
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All right. | |
| There we go. | ||
| So, Alex, when he talks about gun stuff, one of the things that he always brings up is this idea that it's been proven that guns reduce crime. | ||
| Which we have established previously in multiple episodes that it is not. | ||
| We've talked about some of that stuff, but I don't think we've actually talked about his specific statistic that he always cites. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So he brings that up in this clip, and then I want to talk about it a little bit. | ||
| I mean, they've taken the guns everywhere else they're in control. | ||
| That needs to be the message. | ||
| Everywhere you're in control, you use these arguments to register and then confiscate. | ||
| And everywhere you're in control in America, you've totally taken the guns. | ||
| Shut up, liars! | ||
| And stop lying to me! | ||
| And stop pinning those dead kids on me when you made it the gun-free zone and you advertised it for the place for your Prozac heads to go kill people! | ||
| You shouldn't be. | ||
| Hey, be reasonable. | ||
| Don't blame me for that. | ||
| Crimes drop 49% because of gun ownership going up. | ||
| Why are you blaming us? | ||
| Man, you're stupid. | ||
| They're not stupid. | ||
| They're not stupid. | ||
| They know what they're doing. | ||
| So that's one of Alex's favorite talking points. | ||
| You see it all the fuck over the place. | ||
| That's one I've heard him scream about pretty consistently in any time period of his show that I've listened to. | ||
| That idea that there's a 49% drop in violent crime that was caused by people having more guns. | ||
| This, again, is an instance of Alex being completely illiterate when it comes to how statistics work. | ||
| The part of this that's true is that during the time span of 1993 to 2013, private gun ownership numbers went up, and the violent crime rate went down. | ||
| Both of these are correct, but what Alex has failed to do in any way is demonstrate causation. | ||
| There's no reason to believe that just because two things happened around the same time as each other, or even at the same time as each other, that they're somehow related. | ||
| No, there's a famous saying, correlation equals causation. | ||
| Everybody says it all the time, Dan. | ||
| There's a whole website dedicated to really weird, correlated phenomena that aren't causally linked in any way. | ||
| It was created by a guy named Tyler Vidgen, and he's tracked these really bizarre connections and found things like, there's a 99.26% correlation between 2000 and 2009. | ||
| In the divorce rate in Maine and the per capita consumption of margarine. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| That's a very strong correlation. | ||
| That really makes sense. | ||
| There's also a 95% correlation from 1999 to 2010 in the marriage rate in Kentucky and the number of people who drowned after falling out of a fishing boat. | ||
| Yeah, no, of course. | ||
| When you get married in Kentucky, sooner or later, you're going to drown. | ||
| Well, but sooner or later wouldn't make it so immediate. | ||
| The time is matched amazingly. | ||
| Well, I mean, a lot of people in Kentucky go on honeymoon fishing trips. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| Anyway, he wrote a book about this called Spurious Correlations, which if nothing else is demonstrative of how just because two numbers run similar paths or appearingly correlated paths, that doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other. | ||
| People who have studied at point the gun violence drop and the gun... | ||
| Ownership increase. | ||
| The violent crime drop and gun ownership increase. | ||
| They point to other variables that explain the drop as being possible post-1993, which was a high point. | ||
| One major factor is that the post-World War II baby boom generation had just passed the age brackets that are most statistically likely to be high crime ages. | ||
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Right. | |
| The baby boomers just stopped killing people. | ||
| Well, the lowering of crime is partially attributable to that massive block of population aging out of the high crime... | ||
| Periods in people's lives. | ||
| No, it's like 18 to 40 or whatever. | ||
| Or 16 to 40 or something like that. | ||
| And once you're past 40, there's a huge drop in weather. | ||
| When you're older, you're much less likely to commit violent crimes. | ||
| It's just harder to stab people. | ||
| You're tired. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| No, I like to be in bed by nine. | ||
| I can't commit crimes after that. | ||
| Another element is that the economy was improving. | ||
| And a natural byproduct of that is a drop in crime. | ||
| Other folks have theories about how the drop is partially fueled by increased access to abortion, so people were able to control their family size. | ||
| That was Freakonomics or those two dudes? | ||
| I don't know if it was specifically them, but they might have also touched on that. | ||
| Yeah, they helped to popularize that. | ||
| And then also decreased exposure to lead is another big factor that people point to. | ||
| That, again, those aren't proven, but they're theories that people have put forth who have actually studied these numbers. | ||
| Other not-so-great factors are in the mix, too, like the soaring rates of incarceration for nonviolent offenders. | ||
| That's just a huge population of people who are now in a controlled infestation. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is not in and of itself a good thing. | ||
| No, it's terrible. | ||
| But you have a net less population. | ||
| So what Alex has failed to do in any way is take these other factors into account, preferring instead to just take this statistic that crime dropped 49% in a period of time that gun ownership has risen, and he's decided that guns were the reason that the rate dropped. | ||
| This isn't how serious people approach stats. | ||
| If serious people, they have looked at the issue. | ||
| And they found the exact opposite conclusion from what Alex has come up with, most notably in that 2017 Stanford study that showed that states that pass right-to-carry laws experience a 13% to 15% increase in violent crime. | ||
| So the essential piece of this is when you look at what Alex is doing, he's taking a correlation and implying causation, and he does no work in any way. | ||
| to establish that. | ||
| He doesn't have any study to show like, oh, it is true that Morgan Equals less crime. | ||
| Right. | ||
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People who have looked at it from that viewpoint, the relationship between more guns and less crime, they look at it from a standpoint of rising crime makes people buy more guns. | |
| Right, right. | ||
| They look at it from almost... | ||
| Their analysis of the statistics shows almost the opposite of what Alex is saying, is that crime motivates people to buy guns, as opposed to gun buying leads people to do less crime. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, all I'm saying is Alex is just being fast and loose, dodging around, being shifty. | ||
| It just flies in the face of the one truth that I don't see ever changing, which is that the more, like, if you make... | ||
| The means by which to do something more prevalent, it makes it more likely that something will happen. | ||
| If you give people more guns, it makes it more likely that gun violence is going to happen. | ||
| That's been true forever. | ||
| That is human reality. | ||
| And to argue the opposite of that goes against something that's fundamental and basic in humans, and I will never trust any argument otherwise. | ||
| It's just not... | ||
| It's just true. | ||
| You have drawn your line in the sand. | ||
| That's pretty much it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex has a theory, and that is that Obama needs to take the guns now because Alex and his patriot buddies are becoming ascendant in the world. | ||
| And he needs to disarm them because they're winning. | ||
| Like, Alex is winning. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| I mean, he will later. | ||
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He's fucking winning now. | |
| In 2013, he wasn't doing it. | ||
| That's why Obama needs to take his guns. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| They had to get the guns now because they know we're rising, and so they're putting everything they've got. | ||
| Folks, this is the full enemy. | ||
| This is the Battle of the Bulge. | ||
| They're launching their Nazi counteroffensive because we're kicking their butt. | ||
| That's enough. | ||
| Get that traitor off there. | ||
| Get him off there. | ||
| That's not our president. | ||
| That's a foreign New World Order collaborator, Vichy French agent. | ||
| So, I mean, this happens a lot throughout time. | ||
| Just the, like, this is it kind of mentality. | ||
| But it's very consistent in this time period. | ||
| Like, he pulls that out a lot. | ||
| Especially we saw it in the 2016 election season. | ||
| I think very consistently afterwards. | ||
| Like, he's been very regularly, like, we are on the precipice all the fucking time. | ||
| But you're seeing a massive ramp-up of that. | ||
| Like, this is the Battle of the Bulge. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| This is the full assault. | ||
| And, I don't know. | ||
| That's the clip I want to play for anybody who buys into that Biden bullshit of, like, no, we should reach across the aisle. | ||
| You know, once we return to normalcy, we'll be able to... | ||
| Listen to that clip. | ||
| No one's reaching across the aisle to Alex. | ||
| No one is... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But that's the microcosm. | ||
| That's the weakest link part that I'm saying. | ||
| They're not listening to you. | ||
| Listen to Obama talk. | ||
| They can't. | ||
| They just can't. | ||
| They'll yell over it and call him a VG French collaborator. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All he's doing is being like, maybe fewer kids should die. | ||
| And they're like, that's because you're a fucking Nazi! | ||
| And you're like, alright, fucking fine. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
| That's the reality of it. | ||
| And maybe it'll change, but fuck off, Biden. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Fuck off, Biden. | ||
| Well, I think we can agree on that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That Corn Pop story was pretty good, though. | ||
| I'll say that. | ||
| It was a pretty good story. | ||
| Good story. | ||
| It was a good story. | ||
| That's our political takes of the day. | ||
| So, Alex, I've singled out this because I know that it's probably pretty difficult, and I don't know if I could actually even convey this in clips. | ||
| Like, even if I played you a hundred clips, I'm not sure that I could fully express to you the ramping up of extremeness that's going on in this April time period. | ||
| Maybe even a little bit into the end of March. | ||
| But it's very specifically happening right here in the time frame that we're talking about. | ||
| It is very easy to hear a clip like the last one we played where they have to take our guns because we're rising. | ||
| We're the best. | ||
| Obama is not my president. | ||
| He's a Vichy collaborator. | ||
| You could hear that and be like, it's kind of similar to stuff Alex says a lot. | ||
| And I accept that. | ||
| But I have to stress, if you listen to these episodes in their entirety, you do notice. | ||
| That this is getting much more extreme. | ||
| There is an amplification. | ||
| And Alex is even explicit about the fact that he is getting more extreme. | ||
| He talks about it. | ||
| And in this next clip, one of the things that I think is really important is that Alex ties that growing extremeness. | ||
| I need to come up with another word for it. | ||
| But that growing radical edge that he has on his show with sales, which is one of the contentions that the people in the Sandy Hook lawsuits are making, is that he profited off of this sort of coverage. | ||
| And if you listen to this next clip, you get some indications that they may have a point. | ||
| Up at InfowarStore.com. | ||
| And when you purchase and buy from the Patriots, from the good guys, you fund the overall resistance. | ||
| Because make no mistake, you see me charging in 110% here in this fight. | ||
| I'm not playing it safe here. | ||
| Because there's no future if we don't double and triple down. | ||
| He's also said at other times that he is getting more intense. | ||
| He's saying that you've got to pay me. | ||
| You've got to buy my shit because that fuels my ability to go 110% in this. | ||
| No holds barred shit. | ||
| It's interesting to me because the extremeness that he's presenting, as we discussed on our last episode, it doesn't just apply to Sandy Hook issues. | ||
| That's the one area that has led to legal action now. | ||
| But if there were like VA doctors or ministers who were harassed by Alex Jones's fans, like I could see them suing him for what he did. | ||
| did at this period just as easily. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| It's a broader behavior that's going on, and it just so happened that maybe it caught on with the people who wanted to harass and target Sandy Hook families. | ||
| Don't see any way to get around the fact that he's tying that ramping up of things to the financials of the business. | ||
| That's one thing that I've thought about with the lawsuit pretty... | ||
| Because when we're talking about that kind of situation, that's where we get into that correlation causation issue. | ||
| I don't know how you can prove that specifically the Sandy Hook stuff increased his... | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Like, it's all included in there. | ||
| Like, obviously, talking about Sandy Hook did lead to sales in the same way that talking about fucking Joshua Haken has led to sales, you know? | ||
| Sandy Hook was part of a concerted strategy that is taking shape at this time. | ||
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| They were one of the victims and one of the targets of this broader thing that's going on. | ||
| With his, fuck it, we're at the Battle of the Bulge nonsense. | ||
| We're in the middle of this civil war. | ||
| So yeah, I don't know how you sort of differentiate between that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Other than to take it as a totality, in which case, I suppose that means that not only do doctors and VA officials who were harassed have standing, but... | ||
| It's morally imperative for them to join the whole situation. | ||
| Class action? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the problem there is that, from what I understand about the lawsuits, is the only reason that this sort of extends the statute of limitations is that Alex re-brought up some of these things. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so the Sandy Hook people are able to sue him using stuff from beyond the statute of limitations to inform things that he said. | ||
| I'm not positive that all of that applies to the myriad groups that Alex is working with here. | ||
| I would say it's possible that... | ||
| You could make an argument. | ||
| I mean, he complains about the glitter bug mainstream globalist churches all the time in the present day. | ||
| Anti-vaxxer bullshit going after doctors and all the like there. | ||
| I don't know if specifically VA doctors, but, you know. | ||
| As non-legally literate people, I think it would be tough for us to know what constitutes that. | ||
| But it's, yeah, I think the more important point is, like, you look at this and it's very clear that on a level he is... | ||
| Trying to benefit from the behavior that led to the treatment that the Sandy Hook people got. | ||
| Absolutely, yes. | ||
| The inspiration for this behavior was profit-based. | ||
| So, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| You can make an argument that it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Only he and internal documents really care. | ||
| Only God forgives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Bye! | ||
| Despite the fact that it is a more universal behavior that we're talking about, it is also still specifically Sandy Hook-focused. | ||
| And Alex plays a video of Sandy Hook victims talking about their experience, and I'm not going to play any of that because, I mean, it's just family members saying this was a horrifying event. | ||
| Yeah, we don't need any disgusting bullshit. | ||
| But here's Alex's response after this video. | ||
| Man, I gotta tell you, the way the people talk, they've been totally coached. | ||
| Remember Peter Parker, where he's sitting there and he's going, ha ha, yeah, ha ha, yeah, I'll do a great job. | ||
| Oh, camera's on. | ||
| I'm sorry, sir. | ||
| I didn't send my kid to a victim disarmament zone. | ||
| Stop blaming me for what the federal government did making it a gun-free zone. | ||
| So, first of all, Peter Parker is Spider-Man. | ||
| That's what I was about to ask. | ||
| He's talking about Robbie Parker. | ||
| And again, we have this continuation of now it's okay for him to make fun of this grieving father as opposed to defending him when a caller calls in and suggests he's an actor. | ||
| Saying these people are coached is right. | ||
| That's putting your toe into the water of the actor shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's teasing. | ||
| He's getting around that. | ||
| Because logically, somebody has to be coaching them. | ||
| If they are coached, somebody has to be coaching them. | ||
| Somebody needs to have a reason and so on and so forth. | ||
| And at the same time, what you see is an escalation of this cruelty. | ||
| This mocking him. | ||
| Making it okay to look at these people as not victims. | ||
| Make it look okay for the audience to see them as people worthy of derision. | ||
| People worthy of making fun of... | ||
| Implying that they're faking emotion. | ||
| Like, that is exactly what we're talking about. | ||
| That's exactly the behavior. | ||
| That's the early stages of the exact behavior that we've been looking for this entire time. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And it's happening right in front of our eyes. | ||
| And when you see, like, the things that seem to be leading to it are Obama talked to them, Steve Pachanik's coming around. | ||
| He read a dumb blog that claimed it had a Russian intelligence report by Sorcha Fall. | ||
| It's very sad. | ||
| It's a really shitty supervillain. | ||
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That fucking sucks. | |
| It's really heartbreaking. | ||
| But one thing you would expect from Alex, like he's an expert, right? | ||
| I mean, he studies all the time. | ||
| He knows the globalist's plan backwards, forwards, upside down, all of it. | ||
| So you would expect that he would know exactly what he's talking about. | ||
| He'd remember all of his talking points. | ||
| He'd remember his narratives. | ||
| He knows the books he's read. | ||
| But unfortunately, this happens. | ||
| They hate fathers. | ||
| They hate families. | ||
| They hate children. | ||
| And that's why I have the White House science czar. | ||
| I'll show it to you during the next segment of your TV viewer, radio listener, EcoScience, where they said we're going to use diet injections and junctions to dumb you down. | ||
| We're going to put stuff in your water. | ||
| Now they've got hundreds of shots they want to give kids. | ||
| Shots! | ||
| This is a good demonstration of how little Alex cares about his own bullshit. | ||
| He's claiming that John P. Holdren's book, Ecoscience, discusses diet, injections, and injunctions to control the public, and I really honestly think this is a result of him never reading the things he rants about reading all the time. | ||
| When he's talking about isn't a reference to ecoscience, the textbook that John P. Holdren wrote, that's a line that Alex always misuses from Bertrand Russell in his book The Impact of Science on Society. | ||
| We've talked about this a bunch of times. | ||
| Alex is just taking that line entirely out of context. | ||
| Russell was talking about the really bad stuff that could come up if, for instance, the Nazis had been more scientifically advanced as a dictatorship. | ||
| He's not advocating for these things, but because he's discussing them, Alex has decided he's secretly actually saying that the globalists are doing these things, which is fucking stupid. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| I didn't have to look any of this up to remember it. | ||
| We've been down this road before. | ||
| I heard him talk about eco-science and the diet injections and junctions like, oh, you mismatched references, buddy. | ||
| My big point here is that Alex doesn't even care about getting his fake things right. | ||
| And amazingly, it seems like a bunch of his audience doesn't care either. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| John P. Holdren, Bertrand Russell, who gives a shit? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| If you have this really revolutionary, world-shaking information that you've uncovered, but a plan to depopulate the planet and kill off everybody... | ||
| Seems like you know what you're talking about. | ||
| Keep your ducks in a row. | ||
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| And he doesn't. | ||
| That seems to me an indication that this isn't real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I think... | ||
| I mean, it's easier to get away with that shit because his listeners generally are looking for emotional validation. | ||
| They have no interest in the intellectual side of it. | ||
| They just want to understand and have their anger and fear and paranoia mirrored back to them in an acceptable way. | ||
| As opposed to being like, I need to think about what this guy's saying. | ||
| No, I just need to get the general vibe of how he's angry. | ||
| That's what I really want. | ||
| I don't need... | ||
| I'm not going to do homework for InfoWars. | ||
| But you should, because it's an information war. | ||
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Of course you should! | |
| Of course you should! | ||
| It's literally in the name! | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| So, about an hour of this episode is dedicated to Alex doing an interview with Anthrax guitarist Dan Spitz and his wife Candy. | ||
| About the evils of vaccination. | ||
| He's not the one... | ||
| No, the bassist is the one who looks like friend of the show, Mike Wiley, right? | ||
| That's Scott Ian. | ||
| Scott Ian, that's right. | ||
| Shout out to friend of the show, Mike. | ||
| Dan Spitz is another guy. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| This is a huge deal. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| Wiley's album recording is Thursday. | ||
| Yeah, if you're listening. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| This is not the time to do plus. | ||
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Second album. | |
| But his name just came up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| It's over with Drufki. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Over at the Two Brothers. | ||
| Yeah, and I'll be opening for him. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| I'm really bad at plugging. | ||
| Glad Anthrax came up. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| Otherwise, I never would have said it. | ||
| Yeah, Thursday. | ||
| Tickets still available. | ||
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Probably. | |
| Anyway, this is not a good interview. | ||
| It's pointless. | ||
| I don't want to listen to any of it. | ||
| It's just the standard nonsense. | ||
| But also, they are not nearly as extreme as Alex about the vaccination evils and the depopulation agenda. | ||
| So there's a couple points where he brings up something and then there's just silence on the other end of the phone. | ||
| They're like, I don't know. | ||
| Especially from Candy, the wife. | ||
| Also, I don't want to bring this up. | ||
| Because I looked into them a little bit and they might... | ||
| They're a mess. | ||
| They might be terrorists? | ||
| Dan Spitz might be a really bad dude. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| Look that up yourself if you like. | ||
| He might be someone that Alex specifically shouldn't be having on his show. | ||
| And we just talked about Josh Haken. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not saying this dude's a globalist. | ||
| I'm saying there might be other things in his past that Alex... | ||
| Yikes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex starts ranting about school shootings. | ||
| And again, this goes back to what I was talking about, about tying the heightening extremism with the sales. | ||
| There is a very clear thing that's happening. | ||
| And it wasn't happening before. | ||
| Like, this is kind of new to this April 9th episode. | ||
| He seems to be trying to take the heightened, elevated nature of what he's doing and... | ||
| Push it towards marketing opportunities. | ||
| And from the mass shootings, they stage and set up by making them gun-free zones, victim disarmament, mass killer zones. | ||
| Teach the kids to crouch over in a good ball so the killer can get the maximum number of dead so they can hopefully get our guns next time. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| We're on to you. | ||
| This is Boomerang back on you. | ||
| By the way, I want to announce the Infowars.com, Infowarshealth.com health challenge. | ||
| I'm challenging listeners. | ||
| To get healthy in the face of the New World Order in the month of April. | ||
| Let's put InfoWars Health up there on screen for folks. | ||
| Again, I'm challenging listeners to go to InfoWarsHealth.com and sign up and try the great products like Beyond Tangy Tangerine, the Alex Pack, the Healthy Start Pack, Polym Burst, Polym Burst Plus. | ||
| That's all, like, that's insane. | ||
| That is an absurd kind of juxtaposition of what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, normally, like, the ad pivots are always bad, but to go from, like, well, victim disarmament zones and they turn your kids into a ball and then maximum damage. | ||
| Also, I'm trying to get everybody healthy. | ||
| I'm challenging you. | ||
| I'm challenging you to buy our products. | ||
| Also, you know what? | ||
| While we're at it, let's do the ice bucket challenge. | ||
| I will do anything for people to buy more shit. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Please. | ||
| That's fucking disgusting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you can see just kind of a clear path here, like a clear connection between these ideas. | ||
| Also, you can see that his ad pivots aren't quite there yet. | ||
| No, but they're coming into the modern form. | ||
| We've seen a couple instances of the, what would you call it, the modern Alex pivot, the yelling right into it. | ||
| Everybody's going to die, and we're all going to lose our mind, and everything's going to be lit, and now we have the Easter sale. | ||
| It is 50% off. | ||
| You fucked it up. | ||
| He always says, Briefly. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I forgot briefly. | ||
| Like, in the more recent days, in the more present days, he always pretends, like, briefly. | ||
| I need to tell you about... | ||
| I'm writing more, so I'm trying to get control of my adverb usage. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| I understand. | ||
| That is wisely for you to do. | ||
| Didn't quite work. | ||
| It's really close, though. | ||
| So, towards the end of this episode, on April 9th, Alex has Mike Adams come in. | ||
| The Health Ranger. | ||
| Again, I have to remind you, Health Ranger. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so they talk about Bitcoin. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Normal thing for the Health Ranger to chime in on. | ||
| And I don't think it's really that interesting a conversation. | ||
| And I actually kind of agree with them on a number of points, which I'll discuss after this clip. | ||
| Because I think that this clip is revelatory. | ||
| I think it exposes so much about how Alex Jones thinks. | ||
| So they will try to strangle this in the crib. | ||
| They may even be pumping money into it so that they can then dump it later. | ||
| I mean, if they didn't... | ||
| Look, I think like the enemy. | ||
| If I was the enemy, I'd do that. | ||
| That is so... | ||
| That's so revealing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So Alex has his little interview with Mike Adams about Bitcoin, and this is a completely unrelated field to the non-medicine Mike Adams claims to be well-versed in. | ||
| Don't know why he's coming in as an expert. | ||
| It's amazing the range Alex's guests have, so long as the subjects are all weird and completely speculative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Anyway, their basic point isn't one, like I said, that I'm too interested in or I disagree with too much. | |
| I'll just let him have his fun with that theory. | ||
| What I think is important is his reason for his theory. | ||
| Quote, I think like the enemy. | ||
| If I was the enemy, I'd do that. | ||
| That's so fucking revealing. | ||
| He has literally no evidence to support his conjecture that the Fed is artificially inflating Bitcoin to bring about an eventual crash. | ||
| But he feels like that's the case because he's decided what the enemy is, how they think, how they operate. | ||
| And he's decided that that's what he would do if he was them. | ||
| When you take into account that his enemies are imaginary, and all of his primary sources don't say what he thinks they do, you really have to consider that Alex comes up with his ideas about the globalists and what they're up to through sheer imagination. | ||
| He's imagined a villain, and he just says, what would I do if I were them? | ||
| I really felt like this was what he was doing for a long time, but I've never heard him so clearly express that mentality as in that last clip. | ||
| Like, the globalists don't want to depopulate the planet, but Alex would if he were them. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The globalists don't plan to elaborate false flags shooting hoaxes to take guns away, but Alex would if he were them. | ||
| All this shit is Alex projecting. | ||
| Everything is in his head. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is all nonsense. | ||
| Well, and... | ||
| But that's... | ||
| We've talked about that a few times in the past of, like, how revealing it is when they say what the enemy is doing. | ||
| Because, like... | ||
| Like, how many times do right-wing people, they're like, oh, the Democrats are stealing votes and they're shipping in illegals in order to steal elections and all that shit. | ||
| And we see none of that actually happening on the Democratic side. | ||
| But every voter suppression effort, every attempt to rig an election, just Chris Kobach's continued existence, like all of that shit, you see, oh, well, they... | ||
| Are ascribing it to us in order to justify why they do it themselves. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because they just want to. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, it's a time-honored tradition of fascists and bullies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, why are you hitting yourself kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's pathetic. | ||
| We're all going to die. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That is probably true. | ||
| So we get to the 10th, and there's not much going on here, because I'll be honest with you, about an... | ||
| Let's say two hours of this show is David Knight and Jakari Jackson coming in as guests to co-host with Alex because they had been out to a gun control rally. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And there was a guy with a you're going to try and take my guns type sign. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Councilman Mike Martinez of Austin got on the mic and said, hey, to that guy who's trying to get himself a bunch of attention, There is no gun confiscation going on. | ||
| But once we make some moves, keep that sign, because you're going to need it later. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| That was essentially the point. | ||
| He's like, hey, you're protesting the wrong thing. | ||
| Yet. | ||
| My hope. | ||
| And Alex, I guess, rightfully, is like, he's showing his cards. | ||
| Okay, yes, that guy is absolutely saying that he is aiming for eventual gun confiscation. | ||
| But Alex projects that into being like, that's what everything is about. | ||
| Just a little bit unearned. | ||
| They try and create a victim out of this guy who's holding the sign. | ||
| They try and say that he wasn't trying to get attention for himself and that he was the victim of... | ||
| People poking him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a long time they talk about this. | ||
| And Alex targets Mike Martinez in a weird way that I've never heard his fucking name before. | ||
| I have no idea who this guy is. | ||
| And Alex is like, he's one of the leaders of this movement. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Anytime there's any attention by the media given to anybody, even if it's a local news story. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| He's like, oh, well, actually, I've known about this guy forever. | ||
| And he is... | ||
| A hundred years. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He is embedded. | ||
| He's the 73rd. | ||
| He's actually Adam Weishaupt. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| It's laborious, and getting through it would be no good. | ||
| And David Knight is boring in 2019. | ||
| What do you think he's doing in 2013? | ||
| When he had less chops. | ||
| Well, he was younger, man. | ||
| He had more energy. | ||
| He didn't have that much gray in his beard back then, right? | ||
| I regret to inform you he did not have more energy. | ||
| Jakari Jackson's fine. | ||
| He's on board with Infowars shit. | ||
| But the only thing good about him is his fucking voice is amazing. | ||
| Jakari's voice? | ||
| His voice is great. | ||
| He has a great radio voice. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| But he's just saying the exact same shit. | ||
| And also fairly boringly. | ||
| He's still a kind of young guy. | ||
| He can handle the nightly news and shit, but being on Alex's show itself, where there's clearly way more listeners... | ||
| Stakes are higher. | ||
| Yeah, both of them seem to be a little bit like, this is the big leagues. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's very weird. | ||
| That is strange, yeah. | ||
| But also, they don't seem to enjoy Alex that much, which I think is kind of a trend of his employees. | ||
| Like, they don't seem to caught into his bullshit, which is how this episode is gonna end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it doesn't make for, like, really interesting content. | ||
| Like, the show itself is incredibly boring, and getting through it was fucking tough. | ||
| There's so much David Knight talking. | ||
| God, I can't believe that. | ||
| How? | ||
| How? | ||
| I imagine what David Knight was at, like, 25, and I still see him being the same boring-ass, like, monotone, shitty talker that he is. | ||
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And I just don't understand anybody- He's apparently a big libertarian. | |
| Sure, but why would you hire that guy to put him on the fucking radio? | ||
| Well, because there's a strategy involved. | ||
| It's trying to penetrate other markets that Alex doesn't really have access to. | ||
| David Knight is really your attempt to get old people. | ||
| Your attempt to get people who don't like how Alex yells all the time. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You filter your content through David Knight in a boring, calm- Well, here's the news. | ||
| Somebody who's like, I want a racist host, but I don't want to hear him yell about it. | ||
| Someone who has the presentation of a milquetoast, just straight newsman. | ||
| Fair, fair. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| And then you get Owen Schroyer in the mix because you need somebody who's kind of theoretically interesting to the youth or the younger set. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the strategy that's a book. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex, we're into the 10th. | ||
| And Alex, just, I mean, as we start up here with the 10th, I just want to give you a little bit of a tone of how Alex is feeling. | ||
| This isn't just a republic, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| This is Sparta, if you want to use a 300 analogy. | ||
| But it's not 300. | ||
| Movie! | ||
| Bingo! | ||
| It's hundreds of thousands in every state who are sitting back watching what's happening. | ||
| And everything's being confirmed for them, and they are locked, and they are loaded. | ||
| And I want to tell the Federal Reserve and the New World Order something. | ||
| You are not going to get away with this. | ||
| You may be able to kill Ron Paul or kill Alex Jones and wipe out the leadership. | ||
| And the reason you haven't done that yet is because you know what that'll do. | ||
| That'll energize us 110%. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| We're powering up against your revolution against our republic. | ||
| We're... | ||
| We're energizing. | ||
| We're rising. | ||
| That's why you desperately went for the guns. | ||
| It's why you staged Aurora. | ||
| It's why you staged Sandy Hook. | ||
| It's your Gulf of Tonkin. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| You think you're going to get away with this just because you've got space planes with DU Sabos? | ||
| Just because you've got cruise missiles? | ||
| All that stuff is worthless against a population. | ||
| So, I mean, we've gotten into now, like, that unintended consequences shit, like that militia book about killing the police. | ||
| You've got tons of these people locked and loaded. | ||
| It's very threatening. | ||
| It's very threatening. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex continues his beef with Glenn Beck. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| But the way this lays out, like, you've got to listen to every word in this clip. | ||
| Okay, mic'd out, for sure. | ||
| Because it's so stupid. | ||
| My wife calls me this morning. | ||
| I'm driving into work about 9 a.m., and she goes, hey, I just tuned in to Glenn Beck on local radio on your local affiliate, and he's talking about how they're going to take everybody's guns who's ever been on any type of anti-anxiety medication. | ||
| I said, yeah, that's our story from last night. | ||
| So I pulled over, and I already knew, and I went to Drudge, and there was our article. | ||
| It's on Drudge right now, middle column. | ||
| And I tune in, and he's reading it still. | ||
| This is like three minutes later. | ||
| Going back to pieces, not saying it's from Infowars.com. | ||
| And, you know, here's the deal. | ||
| And I'm not saying it came from DrudgeReport.com. | ||
| My issue, maybe I missed it, but it's any time I tune in. | ||
| So all the time that Alex tunes in to Glenn Beck, he's covering Alex's stories while at the same time saying that Alex is crazy, but also he might have said that he can't remember. | ||
| I didn't hear it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He wasn't listening. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He wasn't listening. | ||
| I mean, it could be. | ||
| I'm going to make a claim and then walk it back immediately and say I have no reason to assume that Glenn didn't say this. | ||
| I will guarantee to every one of you 100% that Glenn Beck is plagiarizing my material and he is not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| 100% not citing this source. | ||
| Now, I don't know that, because I haven't listened to the show. | ||
| He may have actually cited that source, but I guarantee you 100%. | ||
| He is absolutely ripping me off. | ||
| He's never citing that source. | ||
| Also, Alex, his whole business model on Infowars.com is using other people's articles. | ||
| He does cite where the article came from. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He doesn't have permission to repost in whole these articles. | ||
| That came up not too long ago. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| Maybe a year or two back. | ||
| I don't think he got in trouble for it, but it was like a thing. | ||
| He reposted it entirely. | ||
| He constantly does that from various news outlets without permission. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I feel like if Glenn Beck said this and Alex didn't hear it, who cares? | ||
| If he's also covering this story... | ||
| As reported by another outlet and Alex just thinks it's him covering InfoWars, I don't care. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he's ripping off InfoWars, I also don't care. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm struggling to find an angle where I do care. | ||
| The only angle is Alex being like, he ripped me off, I know this, maybe he said it and I didn't hear it. | ||
| That's basically it. | ||
| It's the overconfidence and then the admission of, I don't know what I'm talking about. | ||
| So, David Knight and Jakari are in studio for, like, most of this episode. | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The only things that I really think are interesting are this clip where Alex asks David Knight what he thinks about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What does your gut tell you about Sandy Hook and Aurora? | ||
| I think it falls. | ||
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Yeah, I think they're false flags. | |
| The timing was just too suspicious. | ||
| They did that one week exactly before they were going to have the UN vote. | ||
| Well, they should have gotten better actors, too. | ||
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Yeah, it didn't really... | |
| They're the worst actors I've ever seen. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| All right. | ||
| What is this, Alex? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What is he saying? | ||
| Which actors? | ||
| Which actors should they have gotten better for? | ||
| Well, Brad Pitt. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's one week before the UN vote, so you want an international star. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, you've got to have somebody that appeals across. | ||
| Benicio Del Toro. | ||
| Oh, for sure! | ||
| He'd be a great school shooting victim. | ||
| A lot of credibility. | ||
| Oh, so good. | ||
| Rick, do you saw him in The Usual Suspects? | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| I would say this isn't good. | ||
| This is an indication of a bad mindset. | ||
| Yeah, I would agree. | ||
| He asks David Knight what he thinks, and David Knight says it was a false flag. | ||
| And then unprompted, Alex says they should have got better actors. | ||
| Now, it is my lot in life and my stake in this whole thing to be overly fair to Alex. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because he is unfair to everybody. | ||
| Unreasonably so. | ||
| And so when I hear this... | ||
| There's two problems with the way he's framing this. | ||
| One, in fairness to him, is the better actors. | ||
| Well, they should have chosen victim family members who had better acting skills in order for them to convey the gun control message better. | ||
| That could be what he's trying to say. | ||
| I would even give him that. | ||
| In this time period, if he had clarified immediately, I would even err on the side of like... | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That's still not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| They should have got better actors. | ||
| That one's tough. | ||
| It's hard because, again, you could fall back behind. | ||
| I've never heard Alex defend his position by saying, like... | ||
| Well, there are probably victim family members who are better actors, and that's what I was trying to say. | ||
| I've never heard him use that defense. | ||
| If he used it, I'd be like, I don't know if I believe you. | ||
| But that is an interpretation that could be made of this. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But no one listening to his show takes that as the interpretation. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| No, if you're listening to that, you hear him say it's a false flag and it was entirely staged. | ||
| They were actors. | ||
| They should have gotten better actors means they were all actors. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Whether or not that is how he intended it to come out, I think is far less material. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because we're not trying to nail down necessarily... | ||
| Yeah, we're not suing him. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think also a court of law isn't... | ||
| of listening to his show. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And as someone who's listened to all of this, I can tell you the experience of it is disjointed. | ||
| It's confusing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Trying to figure out what point he's exactly trying to make. | |
| Right. | ||
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And if you were someone who bought into his shit, hearing that would be very clear what he's trying to say. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Whereas other times there's so much ambiguity. | |
| There's the back and forth of... | ||
| Of whatever. | ||
| The scaling up of the cruelty he's directing towards these people. | ||
| It's your fault you took your kids to school. | ||
| Mocking Robbie Parker in his press conference. | ||
| You could just see the trend going this direction. | ||
| I don't feel any reason to give the benefit of the doubt on what he's expressing there. | ||
| And that, yeah, the court of law is the worst part because you can't be like, Your Honor, I submit to you six to seven hundred hours of Alex Jones content from multiple eras so you can have a full context on what exactly this means as opposed to what it is that you may think it means in a legal definition. | ||
| There is tone. | ||
| There's context around the time period. | ||
| There is bullshit. | ||
| And he'd be like, I'm not going to listen to any of that shit. | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| Write it down. | ||
| So Alex, I think, is having more fun having Jakari and David in studio than either of them are having. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| That's the other thing that I think is the most important. | ||
| Like, there's that clip where Alex says they're actors, which is substantively important. | ||
| And then spiritually important. | ||
| I think Alex's employees do not like him much. | ||
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I think that's true of any environment Alex is in. | |
| Alex is having more fun than anyone that has to interact with Alex. | ||
| Which on some level we should all be jealous of. | ||
| He seems to be experiencing life in a way that no one around him is. | ||
| No one around him ever is. | ||
| This is kind of indicative of that vibe. | ||
| This is crazy bullshit. | ||
| And again, please, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go to break, come back and do another segment with your calls. | ||
| For Sean and Ron and Paul and Alex and everybody with our guest host here. | ||
| It's fun having you guys ride shotgun with me. | ||
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Yeah, it's an interesting day. | |
| A day long remembered. | ||
| We've seen the end of Kenobi. | ||
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We'll soon see the end of the rebellion. | |
| I'm going to stop it. | ||
| I get a little dingy, Jakari. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Can you imagine someday, Jakari, not even knowing you're on the air and not even caring? | ||
| I can see that day coming, yeah. | ||
| I hear the train a-coming. | ||
| It's rolling around the bend. | ||
| And I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when I'm stuck in Folsom Prison. | ||
| What the fuck is going on? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The two of them are just politely laughing. | ||
| I guess, Alex. | ||
| And he does a fucking Star Wars impression and then starts singing Johnny Cash. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That is the most... | ||
| That is the most, like... | ||
| So do you think my screenplay good? | ||
| Well, it's definitely interesting. | ||
| It is definitely interesting. | ||
| It's sure been a lot of fun having you guys on the show. | ||
| Yeah, it's been interesting. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| There's a sense that I get, and this is completely unfounded, and that is that I think the two of them, David Knight and Jakari, both have some pretense to wanting to do better. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They feel like they want to actually... | ||
| Do something. | ||
| No, it does. | ||
| And Alex is getting in the way of that. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It does feel like they're trying to build up almost like a reel so they can go to a better place. | ||
| I don't know if that's the case. | ||
| It's just not happening. | ||
| Or just like trying to like have actual like we have cited this. | ||
| We're actually reporting something. | ||
| Even if it's within the context of Infowars narrative propaganda, still like we're doing something respectable. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And Alex knows where the money is and it's in his goofy bullshit and there's a tension. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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There's a weird tension that exists there. | |
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| If you're working at Infowars and you're aspiring to do real journalism, you're not looking to retire at Infowars. | ||
| Maybe you think you can change it from within. | ||
| Poor bastards. | ||
| Oh, God bless everybody who thinks they can change it from within. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I wish I had your level of belief. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| There's a naivete. | ||
| Oh, it's gorgeous. | ||
| You might have heard from Alex's singing there, though, that they went out to break. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they come back from break, and the vibe has not changed. | ||
| You guys were saying, can you really do a Darth Vader? | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty good. | ||
| I can probably really do it. | ||
| Don't act so surprised, Your Highness. | ||
| You weren't on the Mercy mission this time. | ||
| Several transmissions were beamed to this ship. | ||
| I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you. | ||
| This is a diplomatic ship. | ||
| You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor. | ||
| Take her away. | ||
| That's actually really not bad. | ||
| That's really not bad. | ||
| Having fun. | ||
| Why not have some fun while these gun-grabbing bastards are running all over us? | ||
| Ha ha. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a terrible impression. | ||
| It's really not. | ||
| In terms of his impressions, it's not bad. | ||
| I've watched A New Hope 300 times. | ||
| It's really not that bad. | ||
| I've heard Alex do impressions 300 times, and that's serviceable. | ||
| Yeah, that was twice as good as his Bernie, I would say. | ||
| At least twice as good as his Bernie. | ||
| Right, but we're on a fucking show where... | ||
| He's talking about victims' families. | ||
| He's mocking them and being like, they're actors. | ||
| He's laying out this bullshit about the Josh Hacken nonsense. | ||
| Hacken or Haken? | ||
| Haken. | ||
| Haken, okay. | ||
| This is nonsense, man. | ||
| Existing in the same space is just surreal. | ||
| You guys have some bro-down time where you're doing impressions and goofing around. | ||
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The globalists are coming out to murder your children! | |
| They're gonna kill you! | ||
| They're gonna take them away! | ||
| They're gonna put vaccines in your balls! | ||
| And now we're gonna do a great bit from The Wedding Crashers. | ||
| Anybody seen that movie? | ||
| Vince Vaughn's a globalist, but he's still pretty funny. | ||
| He's still pretty funny. | ||
| Have you ever seen Hustlers? | ||
| We have one last clip here, and it's Alex Jones doing some quoting, but not Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's also pretty extreme. | ||
| The way he ends the April 10th episode is pretty extreme. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| Stand your ground. | ||
| Don't fire unless fired upon. | ||
| But if they mean to have a war, let it begin here. | ||
| And that was the militia captain, John Parker, at Lexington Green on April 19th, 1776. | ||
| Was it 1775? | ||
| What? | ||
| The point is, I'm going from memory there because I can't see the quote up on Infowars.com. | ||
| We have that front page image of the Oathkeeper. | ||
| They were trying to block his sign. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And there he is. | ||
| And that's why they were so freaked out by it. | ||
| You know, stand your ground. | ||
| Don't fire unless fired upon. | ||
| But they're already firing in our water, our vaccines, our food. | ||
| The war has already begun, to quote Patrick Henry. | ||
| It's an Infowar. | ||
| They want to make it physical because they're losing this. | ||
| So, you should know what year it is that the Lexington shit happened. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Because you're a Civil War... | ||
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It's kind of a big deal. | |
| I'm sorry, a Revolutionary War historian. | ||
| It is kind of a big deal. | ||
| He's read literally hundreds of books about that. | ||
| So, Alex is using that very stirring quote from the Revolutionary War here. | ||
| We know his batting average with Jefferson quotes is terrible, but what about his other quotes from the early days of this country? | ||
| How does he fare with those? | ||
| Well, if I recall in Endgame, he was 0-4. | ||
| A lot of those were Jefferson, though. | ||
| A lot of them were Jefferson, but he was still an Ofer. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I believe he did not succeed in landing any quotations that he made. | ||
| So the line here is, quote, Stand your ground, don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here. | ||
| It's attributed to Minutemen Commander John Parker. | ||
| These words, spoken on April 19th, 1775, are chiseled into the Minutemen Monument at Lexington. | ||
| So there's every reason for Alex to believe it's a real quote. | ||
| Oh, so they're kind of a big deal. | ||
| But probably this quote isn't real. | ||
| There's no actual solid historical basis for the quote, which is to say that no reliable source who was there put it down into writing until a lot later. | ||
| The quote was spread initially by Parker's grandson, Theodore, who was not present at the time of being said. | ||
| Yeah, probably not. | ||
| Yeah, so anything coming from him is secondhand to begin with. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And as it was his grandfather, he might be trying to mythologize his family as being these heroic figures within the Revolution. | ||
| Did John Parker survive? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I mean, he died of dysentery or something. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, I mean, everybody in war dies of dysentery. | ||
| In the middle of the Revolutionary War, he died of some condition. | ||
| So the grandson wouldn't even know... | ||
| His grandfather, period. | ||
| No, I mean, I think he would have been alive. | ||
| He was alive during his life. | ||
| Right, but he wouldn't have been... | ||
| It's not like he was 15 or something like that. | ||
| No, he wasn't. | ||
| From what I understand, he was alive but not present in 1775. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| So, yeah, like I said, he's not present. | ||
| But in 1822, at a reenactment of the Battle of Lexington, Theodore claimed that Minuteman Sergeant William Monroe had told him, back when he was a kid, of his grandfather's great quote, but weirdly seems to have not told anyone else. | ||
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Then, some 40 years later, Theodore... | |
| Of course. | ||
| Who presumably would have heard that... | ||
| Dope quote and been like, better write that shit down for posterity. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There was a man named Ebenezer Monroe who said, quote, Captain Parker ordered his men to stand their ground and not molest the regulars unless they meddled with us. | ||
| Yeah, he was later visited by three Civil War ghosts. | ||
| And his account almost identically matches Paul Revere's account of that day. | ||
| You can see similarities and differences here. | ||
| The similarities are the sentiment, like, don't fuck with those people unless it's in self-defense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the differences are all the credible accounts don't include the part that's saying if they want war, we'll have one. | ||
| The bravado is gone. | ||
| The veneer of masculinity and heroic restraint reaching its last nerve. | ||
| Those differences are the only thing that Alex is interested in about this quote. | ||
| And odds are they're total bullshit made up by a kid trying to glorify his grandfather. | ||
| So it looks like, once again, Alex is firmly on the side of lore over history here. | ||
| And he doesn't really believe anything about the founding of the country unless it matches up with whatever he's feeling at the time or whatever he wants to push. | ||
| But Alex used two quotes in that stretch. | ||
| You might have recognized at the end there he used a Patrick Henry quote. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The war has already begun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, Alex is close enough on that for me to give it to him. | ||
| The quote is actually, quote, the war has actually begun. | ||
| But Alex's take on it is probably a very accurate assessment of the point Patrick Henry was trying to make in his March 23, 1975 speech to the Second Virginia Convention. | ||
| Honestly, that speech would be a great thing for Alex to actually quote. | ||
| It really closely matches a ton of the vibe he's been throwing out lately, but I think there's a problem with him actually quoting the speech instead of paraphrasing it, and that is that Patrick Henry is legitimately calling for war, not an info war. | ||
| In fact, Patrick Henry's speech is very opposed to an info war. | ||
| Quote, Anyway, that's a real quote. | ||
| But also, based on the speech that it comes from, that Alex is paraphrasing here, if Alex believed that war had truly already started... | ||
| Patrick Henry would think he's a coward in helping the enemy with his Infowar bullshit. | ||
| 100%. | ||
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So Alex can't really engage with the speech that that came from. | |
| No, I wouldn't want to do that. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| All of his shit, even the things that he accurately, sort of spiritually cites, would be like, what the fuck are you doing with your Infowar? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| If you believe the Civil War has already started. | ||
| Patrick Henry would hate you. | ||
| He would think that you're a redcoat. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Or at least someone who's collaborating through their inaction. | ||
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Or even just a weak-willed, callow piece of shit. | |
| So, I don't know. | ||
| We come to the end of this and, I don't know, it's just like trains coming at each other. | ||
| I know I keep using that metaphor, but it's just foreboding. | ||
| There's just a sense of like... | ||
| Listening to this, April, the beginning of April, like, I mean, part of it is knowing the Boston bombing is coming. | ||
| Like, that is definitely a part of this. | ||
| But even not knowing that, there's still, like, you just see these elements that are intersecting, and you see, like, there has to be something going on that's not on the show. | ||
| Like, the way that Alex's rhetoric is escalating so severely, the way his tactics are kind of shifting towards... | ||
| Directly targeting these folks. | ||
| Like, there is something going on that is unclear. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But you can tell from listening to it if you're listening critically. | ||
| And I don't know what it is, but it is... | ||
| I texted you yesterday. | ||
| I think it was yesterday. | ||
| There's a big fog coming off the lake. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Storm's coming in. | ||
| It feels like that. | ||
| It feels like that. | ||
| It feels like looking at Lake Michigan and just seeing... | ||
| A huge, ridiculous fog. | ||
| Do you know what? | ||
| Every time you've used that train metaphor, I've had that. | ||
| Did you ever see the Addams Family Values? | ||
| Yes, but I don't remember it. | ||
| Starring Raul Julia being fucking amazing with Angelica Houston. | ||
| Talk about M. Bison. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Did you know that he was dying during that movie? | ||
| It's a whole thing. | ||
| But there's that moment where he's down in the basement and he's playing with his trains. | ||
| The entire Addams family is up and they're all listening intently and they're going, oh no, it's running around Dead Man's Curve. | ||
| Oh no, it's hitting this thing. | ||
| Like, they all know that this is going to result in this massive, destructive act. | ||
| He knows it. | ||
| They know it. | ||
| Everybody's involved in watching this happen. | ||
| And it's still so inevitable. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| Anybody included could have stopped it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At any point in time. | ||
| I don't like that this is how you framed the, you know, putting the Addams Family values on it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's what I think of. | ||
| But it's very accurate. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It is just like, this is happening. | ||
| You see it. | ||
| Everybody knows what's going to happen. | ||
| Everybody knows. | ||
| It's inevitable. | ||
| And yet anyone could stop it. | ||
| It's weird to consider the idea that people were listening to this and maybe didn't pick up on these things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People were on board fully as this was happening. | ||
| The trends are really clear. | ||
| I've listened to all of these episodes, and I can feel the intensity rising. | ||
| I can feel these things in his rhetoric and the way he's laying out these episodes, the stories he's choosing to cover, the way he's covering them. | ||
| It's coming into a bottleneck. | ||
| It's weird to imagine someone who loves Alex experiencing this as truth. | ||
| As a real reporting. | ||
| It's weird to think about what kind of a ride you would be taken on. | ||
| It'd be hard to figure out exactly what this guy you look up to is actually saying a lot of times. | ||
| That's terrifying. | ||
| Not to go too overboard in complimentary behavior, but... | ||
| Obviously, we cannot listen to all of these episodes in full because none of us want to, and it's a horrific nightmare. | ||
| So the only evidence that most people listening to this show have that this rhetoric is rising and this behavior is so much more troubling as we go through this is what you tell us. | ||
| But also, you really have presented it to the point where I feel it. | ||
| I really do feel like... | ||
| Even though I haven't listened to this shit, I really do feel like I can hear it. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| The way his rhetoric is rising. | ||
| And if anybody has any reservations about this... | ||
| Go listen to it. | ||
| There's a lot of time you could put in to listen to this. | ||
| And then we could have a conversation about your different interpretation. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| I welcome that conversation. | ||
| But this is troubling, and we're getting days away from the Boston bombing at this point. | ||
| I don't even want to know. | ||
| Honestly, I don't want to know what he's going to do. | ||
| Well, I know that Richard Belzer's involved. | ||
| Also, hey, do you know what's crazy? | ||
| If we're going to talk about the Bells, let's bring in the story of John Parker's grandson and telling that whole quote and everything. | ||
| That is 100% Christopher Walken in Pulp Fiction, like, showing up to him as a kid and being like, your grandfather, you know, that whole thing. | ||
| And Christopher Walken and the Bells were both on InfoWars. | ||
| It's a big full circle. | ||
| It's a big full circle. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Find out more about that in the future, and we will see you all on Friday. | ||
| But until then... | ||
| We have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Just to jump in real quick, again, this is coming out on Wednesday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tomorrow night, Thursday night at Two Brothers Roundhouse at 8 p.m. | ||
| Mike Wiley will be recording his second album. | ||
| I'll be opening for him. | ||
| Come out. | ||
| Mike Wiley is fucking fantastic. | ||
| One of my favorite comics. | ||
| King of the puns. | ||
| King of the one-liners. | ||
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| Absolutely. | ||
| Anyways, we do have a website, but we are also on Twitter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We are. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook and we are also on iTunes. | ||
| If you would like to listen to the podcast, go there. | ||
| Also, you can find Mike Wiley's first album. | ||
| You can find Mike Wiley's first album. | ||
| But do you know what the best place to find Mike Wiley's first album is? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| Jesus, now you're dreading my bits? | ||
| Well, how could I not have a sense of dread? | ||
| I know a disembodied hand is coming. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| Well, it's like The Thing from Adam's Family Value. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| You can also go to Spotify. | ||
| Oh, that's it? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No disembodied hands this time. | ||
| Just Spotify. | ||
| Suspicious. | ||
| For both our show and his album. | ||
| That is true. | ||
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| All right, guys. | ||
| Until next time, I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I am DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Jesus Lizard. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |