In Knowledge Fight’s April 3–8, 2013 breakdown, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes expose Alex Jones’ racial bias—blaming Mexican cartels for Texas/Colorado prosecutor murders (perpetrated by white supremacists Eric Lyle Williams and Kim Williams) and misrepresenting a Colorado self-defense case. They debunk his fabricated Mayflower ancestry, cherry-picked Jefferson quote, and absurd claims about Dr. Steve Pieczenik’s "expertise," including his false assertion of founding Delta Force in 1979. Jones’ rhetoric—portraying dentists, doctors, and even grieving Sandy Hook families as globalist conspirators—reveals a pattern of radicalization, performative outrage, and preemptive justification for violence, all while ignoring evidence to sustain his profit-driven narrative. [Automatically generated summary]
So in honor of that, my favorite thing is, actually, I was more like, was there a situation in real life where you were actually like, holy shit, afraid?
So today, Jordan, what we're going to be doing is, I know on the last episode, I said that I was going to stick around in the present and find out what's going on with Alex and watch him as whatever his story is goes the direction it's going.
The only thing that I thought was really interesting at all is that Barnes is being brought on, and it's really discussed quite a bit how he's a political gambler.
And it really seems like he's trying to handicap the field so the audience can bet on the election.
Anyway, it'll all make sense as we get through it, I hope.
Or otherwise, I'll just look weird.
But before we get down to business on any of that, we've got to take a moment and say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
And finally, this is a person who I got a message from with a special name, and I feel like I have to let them jump the line because of this special name.
By the time we get to their shout-out, this might be a completely anachronistic name.
What, Khaleesi?
In a strange way, I got to bump the line a little bit.
That is like, okay, so look, there's these people, and they're putting out this video about how there's a reptilian working in the Secret Service, right?
Which kind of forces Alex's hand to have a take on it.
So Alex is also missing a crucial element of this story, which is kind of one of the reasons it caught so much momentum in the conspiracy community.
Sure, this was a video of a Secret Service agent who appeared to be a reptilian, but that wasn't the central focus of a lot of the framing when the videos were posted on YouTube.
Here's a description that went along with the video: quote, a shapeshifter alien humanoid working for the powers that be caught in high-definition video during an event of the Zionist cabal.
I have a clip of Glenn Beck covering this, laughing at people that believe in the Bilderberg group and Illuminati, and he laughs and says it doesn't exist.
Like, this is not the only instance of him, like, calling Glenn Beck light in the loafers and, like, these sorts of homophobic coded insults throughout this episode.
But I think that's a pretty good example of it.
So he also is convinced that Glenn Beck is just afraid because Alex Jones is getting big.
He insinuates himself into the show in one of the most amazing ways I have ever heard.
I'm so excited to tell you all about it.
But before we get to that, Alex has to make a really weird claim.
For years and years, one of his most consistent things is being convinced and telling his audience that the globalists and the Homeland Security, all of them have decided that white people are terrorists.
When you see terrorist, remove that and say, patriot, good guy, real man, head screwed on straight, a threat to the foreign globalists that are taking us over.
So Alex has a weird sort of couple of narratives based on news stories that he's throwing out on this episode that I think are such clear indications of how his brain works.
I can't stress enough how this is a fingerprint of just how his processes work.
There were like some murders of district attorneys officials in Texas.
So he does, I guess maybe he covered this on like the nightly news or something like that.
He hasn't brought it up on the actual show yet.
So I guess he's relying on his audience to be aware of the story.
It's very strange.
But the story he's talking about, the actual news story about adding security, is out of a local Dallas outlet discussing this idea of whether or not there's areas where they have to go from the building to parking and it's unprotected area.
When there's been murders in the area of district attorneys officials, it kind of makes sense if the person's still on the run, we should not, it could be dangerous to go to your car.
So the reason, like I said, it's being discussed is because in early 2013, there were a string of murders in Kaufman County, Texas.
And two of the victims were the chief assistant district attorney and the criminal district attorney in the county.
And the third victim was the latter's wife.
It's clear there was targeting.
It's undeniable the pattern.
There were some conversations in the media that the culprits were members of the Aryan Brotherhood.
And there were some reasons to suspect that that was a possibility.
For one, 34 members of the Aryan Brotherhood had just been indicted.
I believe it was in Houston, right around the time.
Secondly, the chapter in the area is described as, quote, particularly violent by the SPLC.
Third, possibly most importantly, prior to the beginning of the murder spree, the Texas Department of Public Safety released a warning that the Aryan Brotherhood had made threats of retaliation that the department found credible.
There's plenty of reason to think that these guys were definitely folks worth considering as possible suspects.
Because the Kauffman County District Attorney's Office also was involved.
There was a bunch of organizations that were involved in the case that ended up getting these 34 members indicted, but they were one of them.
So it makes sense if they're threatening retaliation.
We're one of the groups that was involved in that.
Now two people have been murdered and a third, the wife.
So Alex hears that, and his gut instinct, based on zero information, is to defend the white supremacist group and say it's more likely it was Mexican cartel gangs.
He literally has no reason to say this.
You have one violent white organization and one violent Mexican organization where the violent white one was just the subject of a high-profile bust and had threatened to retaliate, and you see what Alex's instincts lead him to do.
Like, if you were a media figure and you said, I think this is white supremacist gangs, you would have reason to say that based on the available information.
So ultimately, it was neither the Aryans nor the cartel.
The guilty party was a man named Eric Lyle Williams and his wife Kim.
Eric was a former attorney and Justice of the Peace in Kaufman County, but he'd been caught on camera stealing $600 worth of computers, which ultimately led to him being convicted by the justice system in Kaufman County.
According to his wife, he immediately came home and began plotting his revenge.
Kim says that Eric kept her high on morphine through the period while he was plotting the murders, so she didn't really experience the situation clearly.
And now that she's in prison and clean, she seriously regrets that she didn't do anything to stop him.
Anyway, that's who committed the crime.
Though it wasn't the Aryan Brotherhood, the police had very good reason to suspect them as being involved.
Though it wasn't the Mexican cartels, Alex had absolutely zero reason to assume that they were involved.
From a narrative and a show perspective, what you have is a pretty clear-cut example of a place where he is running interference for the perception that Aryan Nations, Aryan Brotherhood, were involved in this and pointing the finger at Mexican cartels for no reason.
Well, he kind of does have a reason, but it's a bad reason.
So Alex is now saying the Mexican cartels are death cults, and they probably were involved in this home invasion where the person got killed because they're targeting prosecutors.
His justification for assuming with no evidence that it wasn't a white nationalist group and instead was a Mexican cartel killing these people is because in another state, he is assuming that because they didn't say it was white supremacists, that means it's obviously a Mexican cartel.
So, the story Alex is referencing to strengthen his assertion that the Kauffman County killings are Mexican gang is who the people who did it were, is about the chief deputy district attorney out of Colorado.
Her name was Heather Stein, who, along with her husband, killed an intruder who was breaking into their home recently at this point.
No one suspected that this was the Aryan Brotherhood because the circumstances that led to the suspicion in the other case weren't relevant to this case.
Whatever the case is, the DA found that the Steins had acted completely within the law, and their actions were in self-defense.
So they didn't end up getting charged with anything.
Anyway, Alex Jones is a huge racist who's just going around blaming everything on Mexican gangs for no reason with no evidence just because he's a prejudiced piece of shit.
A lot of times I just skip over stuff that's kind of like this, but this was so egregious that it was like, this is a great case in point case study of this kind of behavior.
We'll get into some of the details, but I just have this one clip of Alex talking to him because I think it's demonstrative how he's framing this stuff.
So under duress and under drugging, like you were shot down over North Korea or North Vietnam, you told them what they wanted to hear so they'd quit drugging you.
I mean, that's like when they said they were going to drug the so-called Colorado shooter so he'd tell the truth.
Sir, you were actually in a prisoner of war Soviet-style brainwashing camp.
So one of the things I think is really interesting about that clip is that in there, Alex is like, keep going.
Yeah.
He does that repeatedly because he will reframe everything that this guy says in very severe language and then trail off.
And he's not like one of Alex's normal guests who will like, yes, and with him.
He's someone who has an experience that he's trying to relate.
And Alex is recontextualizing things, making them seem like way worse than they are.
He's not rolling with it, so Alex has to keep telling him, keep going, keep going.
And it's a very disjointed, clunky interview.
But by the end of it, Alex has gotten this guy much more into the rhythm of it.
And you can see the development through from the beginning to the end of the interview.
So what they're talking about there is apparently he got put on like a 72-hour hold for his own safety.
I'm not sure about that.
I can't really find any information other than his own telling of the story.
But I looked into this a little bit.
And apparently, the way that the story is told is this guy was a veteran who was honorably discharged.
Then he had his guns taken away by the state in a move that presages what the globalists want to do to all the brave patriots out there in the world.
Sure.
The story is that Schmecker went to a doctor to try and get pain meds.
Often, when a veteran who gets their health care through the VA shows up at a doctor's office looking for pain pills, they're required to get a psych evaluation from the VA in an effort to screen out drug-seeking behaviors.
Schmecker refused to get that evaluation.
So the doctor who referred him back to the VA for the evaluation called for a follow-up when Schmecker wasn't home.
He called, not intentionally, just happened to be when the dude wasn't home.
And apparently the answering machine message that he got was enough to worry him for Schmecker's well-being.
The doctor recommended a wellness check, and after that point, the police showed up, and he allegedly had his guns confiscated.
I'm not sure what to make of this story, primarily because the only information I can find on it comes directly from him.
And even by his telling of the story, his actions created the situation he found himself in.
This wasn't an instance of tyranny coming around.
It's more a case of a guy refusing to follow the VA's guidelines who had a disturbing outbound message on his answering machine, who then acted in ways that are huge red flags to mental health care providers.
Like, there's no way to say this for sure, but I have almost zero doubt that if he'd just shown up for the VA psych evaluation, it would have just been a formality.
He would have been fine as long as he didn't use it as an opportunity to rant about the government trying to use psych evaluations to control the few people in society who were truly awake.
If he'd just gone in, he'd have his pain medication and his guns.
So all I see here is this dude did this to himself.
Like, he just didn't follow the steps that are appropriate and required.
All it is is just like, it's just something that has perfect optics for Alex to manipulate.
Oh, oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, you know, you just have guns, and you don't want to submit to the – See, when you go to the DA, you're going – I'm sorry, when you go to the VA, you're going in there, and it's just for them to get your guns.
I don't have enough information about this situation to say this with any absolute certainty.
But from the pieces of information that are publicly available, it appears that this is a situation where this guy could have avoided all of this very easily, gotten his pain meds, gotten his guns retained.
No harm, no foul.
His behavior is exactly the reason that things went the way they did.
Alex, the way that the healthcare system functions for our vets is bad as it is, let alone with an asshole telling you to hate and fear everyone at the VA.
Look, I start hyperventilating and getting very, very upset when it's dawning on me that they said they'd flip Homeland Security on veterans and conservatives and libertarians and patriots and Ron Paul II and Alex Jones listeners.
And I knew it was coming and people couldn't believe it.
Now they're doing it.
And every veteran I know has gotten a letter saying, come in and we may take your guns when you're here.
And they don't want to kill me because it'll turn me into a martyr, but they're trying to kill my name right now in the media.
And so I need people's support as well.
I mean, this is serious.
And I just had a huge epiphany that we're already in a civil war.
We've got authoritarians that have hijacked Washington waging war against the Bill of Rights, the people, veterans, and the States, and demonizing us everywhere ahead of a big offensive.
You know what the feeling I get with stuff like that is?
I don't know if you ever experienced this, but back when I was going to church a lot, there would be times when you'd have small group meetings and the youth preacher would be like, I had an epiphany the other day, and that is the, you know, God loves us.
But what it is, is the same thing with that youth pastor, which is like, I'm telling you this because I know I've told you before, but I actually believe it this time.
This is the one time that I think I'm telling you the truth.
Quote, the clause of the Constitution, which, while it secured the freedom of press, covered also the freedom of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of Christianity through the United States.
And as every sect believes its own form is the true one, everyone perhaps hoped for its own.
But especially the Episcopalians and Congregationalists.
The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes.
And they believe that any position of power confided to me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes.
And they believe truly, for I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the minds of man.
But this is all they have to fear from me.
This is a quote about swearing eternal hostility against all forms of tyranny, but specifically the ones that come from certain Christian churches that want to be the official church of the United States.
This sentiment puts Jefferson in diametric opposition with Alex's bullshit about this being a Christian nation.
And yet Alex pretends that he's the world's number one Jefferson scholar and follower of his tradition.
This is getting a bit redundant and pathetic, but rest assured, I'm going to keep bringing up the myriad ways Alex knows nothing about his hero because it's important to reiterate over and over again that all Alex knows comes from extremist and anti-communist propaganda sources.
All of the historical shit that he cites every time he drops in these quotes, they're out of context.
He has no idea what they're actually talking about.
And I had to make a game time decision while preparing this episode, which wasn't an easy one.
On the one hand, I always prefer to show, not tell when it comes to how bad Alex is, but in this case, I kind of felt like doing that would be in no one's best interests.
Throughout this episode, it was very clear what Alex is doing.
He's trying to radicalize veterans, pure and simple.
There's no way around it.
Like, you can hear it through his framing of this Schmecker guys interview.
You can hear it in how he's demonizing the VA, saying all of these people are spies and Stasi.
You know, he spiraled into this ranting about how everyone's a globalist spy and he's realized the civil war is happening.
That's performative in order to allow this escalation of rhetoric.
All of it's aimed specifically at veterans, with Alex making constant arguments about how this is about how the globalists know that they need to take out military folk in order to take over everything.
It's what all regimes do: they take out the old guard and bring in more authoritarian guard.
Some of the examples he uses are kind of, I mean, yeah, but also there's more specific to it than like, you know, like when Hitler purged Rom, it wasn't like he wasn't killing rank and file veterans.
So in order to prove his point, he opens up the phone lines for military folks who've had bad run-ins with the VA.
And it's just Alex using these people as props.
One guy calls in who claims that he had his kids taken away.
But as he's telling the story, it's very clear that there's more to this story.
He keeps bringing up how his family is who keeps trying to get him help, how he gets into altercations with his doctors.
Like, he's clearly someone who's having a really hard time and needs help.
Instead of treating the situation realistically, Alex uses this guy to prove his point that the globalists not only want your guns, they also want your kids.
And then he launches into a completely disgusting diatribe about how the CPS people are having sex with your kids.
And I just couldn't bring myself to include that clip.
Like, we've heard him talk that way before, and it's really nothing new.
At the same time, I couldn't not bring this up because it's so indicative of what Alex is clearly doing on this episode.
He's absolutely trying to radicalize these military folks in his audience by lying about everything and convincing them that people who say they want to help them, like people at the VA, like psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, you know, they're really just globalist spies who want to take your kids and have sex with them.
Listening to this episode, I really don't think it's accidental.
I don't think this is just how he talks sometimes.
I feel like this is intentional.
It definitely feels like he's trying to rile up mentally unstable people, turn them against anybody who could possibly help them, turn them away from professionals who could help them, and just hoping one of them does something horrific so he can claim it's a false flag.
That might be a little bit out there for me to say, but it's definitely how it felt listening to this episode.
He's trying to target this group, the military veterans, and he's trying to radicalize them through exaggerations, trying to take away any appeal to support structures, and then also preemptively creating the narrative that we're in a civil war and the globalists are going to create false flags and blame them on us.
It's exactly what you would do if you wanted them to do this while keeping your hands clean.
Well, I mean, you can prove that that's what he's doing.
You have to be a psychopath to listen to somebody's story of them expressing very clear pain and all of that and turning that into, and that's why you should hate the VA and all those people in your family trying to get you help.
You know what happened to these people who are victims of things who you cast suspicion on?
They got exactly the treatment they got followed because you're telling your audience that all of these people who are in bed with the globalists and doing all this nefarious shit, they do evil stuff all the time.
So if you just follow them around and bother them, you're going to find they do evil stuff all the time.
He ran a couple more times for Congress unsuccessfully.
And since he's become a right-wing talking head, he appears on all those shows.
He had a show on NRA TV.
Through his career, he's been followed by criticisms from his former Secret Service agent cohorts, his former colleagues, that his brand is kind of being built on some insinuation that he has secret information from his time on the job.
And that's kind of a betrayal of the principles that Secret Service agents are supposed to uphold.
Anyway, what's going on here is that Alex is trying to associate Bongino with this alien story because Bongino is an outspoken gun advocate.
And Alex has to claim that all such people are under attack.
The media and the globalists can't handle dealing with Bongino's actual arguments, so they just create a psyop where they accuse him of being an alien.
It's all paranoid bullshit based on nothing, and it's so clear what Alex is doing at this point.
He's just trying to erode the audience's trust in anything.
The medical community, the VA, the media, Glenn Beck, even conspiracy theories.
It's just insane how isolating Alex is being while also escalating this rhetoric around this same time period.
It's very nuts.
There's a very sincere feeling that he's trying to whip his audience's feelings and rage up while simultaneously making them suspicious of anyone who might be able to help them deal with things appropriately.
It's just a recipe for trouble.
I've described it as trains running into each other, and you know it's going to happen.
The quote Alex is using here is a real quote, sort of.
He's at least using some of the words from a real quote that gets passed around.
And the most common version of this quote is: quote, enlighten the people generally, and the tyranny and oppression of the body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
You can already tell that this doesn't really have anything to do with the context Alex is using the public.
No, I'm pretty sure.
For instance, when Jefferson says, enlighten the people generally, you kind of have to assume that means it has something to do with education.
This line comes from a letter Jefferson sent to Pierre Samuel DuPont de Nemur, a French expat whose son would go on to found DuPont, one of the largest companies in U.S. history, and a company who was frequently cited as being a very serious polluter, an enemy of taking climate change seriously.
I won't hold that against Pierre, though.
He probably had no idea about how things would play out, and it was his son who started the company.
So anyway, Jefferson wrote Pierre this letter in April 1816, and it's mostly about how much Jefferson likes the U.S. form of government.
That's a recurring theme in his letters, though.
I would argue that he's a little biased on the subject.
I don't know.
This portion that the line comes from is specifically about discussing a constitution that had been proposed in Spain, which would require all citizenship to be contingent on a person's ability to read and write, something that Jefferson speaks of positively.
It was Jefferson's feeling that tyranny and all those negative things and society and your body would just disappear if the population was educated, which is probably a very naive position.
So this has nothing to do with standing up against tyranny and them disappearing like mists in the morning.
It has to do with the importance of having a literate and educated population, since the masses are where the power resides in, in theory, and it's absolutely crucial that the masses have the wisdom to appropriately use that power.
This is about education and the importance of literacy, which, as we've learned over and over, is not one of Alex's strong suits.
There's a delicious irony that Alex is misusing a quote about literacy that he would understand if he took the time to read the things he pretends to have read.
God, if he's just on vacation, if he just went on vacation to South Korea and his wife was literally just like, oh my God, do you realize what we could do right now?
Then there was a transition in 1987, but I have no evidence that he was actually there at all or working for any kind of government entity at the time.
They don't show anything that couldn't actually just be a retired guy visiting South Korea to see the sites, which are now being recontextualized as proof that he's there to sniff out psyops.
On April 5th, Steve posted a picture of himself with a group of Koreans and fatigues, which again could easily have been achieved by a tourist who just ran into a group of soldiers on leisure time.
That said, his analysis is fairly decent.
He's saying that North Korea knows that attacking South Korea would mean the end of any real military or political existence for both the North and the South.
So it's incredibly unlikely.
He just seems to be mad at media outlets who are escalating the story and hyping up the possibility of a strike from North Korea, which is weird because that's exactly what Alex has been doing on his show.
As his trip goes on, he offers no evidence of anything he's saying other than more tourist photos, which I find weird.
He also complains on April 7th that he's being denied access to the U.S. Embassy, any military base, and any other official areas, which is unacceptable because he claims he's a former, quote, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia.
This is a new title that I have never seen him have in any other article or any document.
In every other source, he's had the title of Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, which is in a completely different wing of the State Department organizational chart from this new title that he's giving himself.
Also, if that was his position, I think you would know that it's actually called the Deputy Assistant Secretary of East Asian and Pacific Affairs.
But I don't think that that very act of trying to maintain your privacy, I don't think that that's damning.
Although it does make it much more difficult for you to use tourist pictures as evidence of you being on a clandestine mission to South Korea in order to tell Alex the truth.
Now, unfortunately, while he's giving his analysis that the media is overhyping this and all that stuff, he says some things that are real problems and actually make his timeline.
He claims he made the rank of 06 at age 32, which would be pretty much unbelievable, even if he joined the services on his 18th birthday.
Now he's saying he was drafted at 24 or 25 years of age, meaning he's claiming he reached 06 in a maximum of eight years, which is just not even close to possible.
So on this episode, Alex then, after getting done with talking to Steve about his Korea report, which is innocuous for the most part, except for these points of bullshit.
Yeah.
Alex talks to two pastors, Chuck Baldwin, extremist pastor Chuck Baldwin, and a guy named Greg Dixon.
And for the most part, it's just about it's so boring.
It's an interview about how the globalists are taking over the church, and it's a dumb fucking interview because their argument seems to just boil down to the fact that churches are 501c3 and that's made them puppets of the state.
But see, the point about this, too, though, is that this interview is so goddamn boring.
And it's just about the globalists trying to take over all the churches and all that shit.
In the same way that on the third, Alex was targeting these veterans with this extremist radicalizing rhetoric.
He's now doing that to the Christians or to his version of Christian.
He's saying that the globalists are an existential threat to the church.
They're going to take out everybody's church and you've got to it's it's the exact same thing.
He's.
He's isolating a group and using whatever hardship they may be experiencing as a prop and a pedestal upon which to promote his narratives and radicalize.
they found the promised land yeah so his being the descendant of the like on both sides of his family from the original it makes him the purest of all like yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's almost like he's a chosen one in some ways.
I really believe that that's the rhetoric or the point behind the rhetoric.
So the Mayflower arrived in America on November 9th, 1620.
And it's pretty amazing that Alex is trying to claim that both his family sides trace back to people on that boat, considering there were only about 130 people on board, and that was about 400 years ago.
Let's leave his mother's side of the family out of the equation for a minute.
It's a little bit difficult to sort out since maiden names get complicated and he's just saying his mom's side goes back to the barrel maker and famous lady.
This captain heroically brought the pilgrims to the new world, then made a home here where his ancestors became intertwined with the growth of this land from the very start.
There's a lot of information about Christopher Jones.
One of the things that no one disputes is that he was bringing the pilgrims to America because they paid him to.
He had nothing to do with their mission you could say that these people were on.
He was doing a job and his family, including his eight children, didn't come along.
His wife, Josie and Clark, stayed behind in their hometown of Harwich in England.
After delivering the pilgrims across the Atlantic Ocean, Christopher Jones returned to England and lived out the rest of his life there, which was not long because he died in 1622.
He didn't stay in America, and he's not one of the founding members of this country, and it's very unlikely that he's actually related to Alex.
I think it's just thought that because his last name is Jones, which is amazingly dumb.
The thing you have to consider is that the Pilgrims were very much unprepared for what they found when they arrived.
45 of the 108 passengers on that ship died in the first winter, with 10 more dying within the first year from when they landed.
On top of that, eight of them returned to England, just saying, fuck this noise.
The people Alex is claiming were on his mother's side were John Alden, who was the barrel maker, and Priscilla Mullins, who I guess is the famous lady.
Alex's mom is named Carol Jones, and there are actually a number of Carol Joneses listed as descendants of Alden, or at least there are a few Caroline Joneses, which is close enough.
Because by incorporating it into his mythology, he gets to feel like he has a greater claim on being a true American, which is sad, since being an opportunistic con man is all he really needs to make him as American as apple pie.
For Alex to claim that his family goes back to the Mayflower and him care so much about these sorts of ideas and these things and not know the names of the people.
What's going on is day by day, there is a pageant going on on Alex's show that is designed in order to alienate and radicalize segments of his audience.
There was the segment on one day about veterans.
There's now this segment on this episode about the church.
And it's upsetting.
You wouldn't do this unless you were trying to do something.
If you'll recall, it was the woman on MSNBC who put out the video where she talked about how we have, for a long time, we've looked at kids as being just the responsibility of their parents, but we need to take a more communal approach and not look at it as children belonging to their parents, but belonging to the community.
Which everybody sat with, thought about, and realized was a fairly reasonable position.
It was a little bit, you know, it was like, well, this isn't how we normally view the family, but I can see where she's coming from, and we live in an interconnected society now in a way that's proof.
So you've talked about this narrative before when Alex has brought it up, when you've encountered it.
It's the one where she did this commercial that said the children don't just belong to their parents.
They belong to the larger community.
And it's really obvious from surrounding context that she meant the word belong in relation to the community in its definition that means being a part of.
But that didn't stop literally all of the right-wing media from freaking out and screaming about creeping communism.
Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck all made sport out of yelling about this shit, and Alex is no different.
He spends almost, I would say, most of this episode talking about this clip and how it proves exactly what he said about the globalists.
They just watch kids.
Harris Perry responded to the backlash in a blog saying, Those of you who are alarmed by this ad can relax.
I have no designs on taking your children.
Please keep your kids.
I ventured to say that anyone and everyone should know full well that my message in that ad was a call to see ourselves as connected to a larger whole.
I don't want your kids, but I want them to live in safe neighborhoods.
I want them to learn in enriching and dynamic classrooms.
I want them to be healthy and well and free from fear.
What she meant was totally clear in that ad itself, and her response attempted to clarify that further, but it didn't matter.
So Alex talks about this Melissa Harris-Perry clip for most of the show, but thankfully, there's another segment on this show, and it's a returning segment.
We got a frontline report from North Korea with the guy that did the Camp David Accords, the top psychiatrist, the Harvard psychiatrist, the guy that co-wrote Tom Clancy's books, very famous living psych warfare specialist, probably one of the biggest out there.
So now, what's interesting about this is Steve is really insinuating himself into the show.
He's coming on very regularly.
And the way he's coming on is as an expert.
Alex is presenting him with all of these huge credentials.
And he's gone to South Korea because he helped establish the democracy there.
He's so deeply credible and so relevant that he's going there and he's telling Alex consistently, I went so I could give only you the real truth.
When you present him like that, it's really hard to not believe everything he says.
So when he starts saying that Sandy Hook is actors, which he already has, it really is tough to disconnect that from the credibility that you're giving him by having him on constantly to talk about North Korea.
He blames Tracy, but not like when you go through their interactions, there's no other way to look at it other than a man really fucking with Alex.
Whether it's maliciously or not, whether it's beneficently or not, he is fucking with Alex's head, man.
He is in Alex's head.
He's not in Korea, but by saying that he's in Korea and saying that he's doing this all for Alex, Alex is like, I will believe literally anything you say.
I know we already discussed that misused quote earlier, but I have to bring it up again because it's just fucking hilarious to me that the quote is again, like I have to stress, it's about the need for education.
And here Alex is engaged in a targeted demonization campaign against someone who's just trying to encourage greater communal responsibility for the education of children.
If he knew what he was doing, I would say that this must be satire.
But as it is, he's just an idiot who's memorized a couple quotes and thinks he knows what he's talking about.
Like he's using a Thomas Jefferson quote about the importance of education to attack someone who's talking about the importance of education.
optics and she's not an official but that's only because obama wants her in the media to get you used to the idea that and so really she's an official anyways Right, right.
So Alex gets to talk to Steve, and Steve tells him about what's going on in Korea.
And again, it's not sensational.
His analysis is not like – when he gets down to talking about the situation, it's very much like, okay, well, I don't know if I agree with him that North Korea is completely controlled by China.
I don't know if I agree with him on that front.
But anything that's prescriptive is all just about like, we need to calm down about this.
Steve knows that he can make up whatever he wants about Delta Force because it's a super secret unit that's really easy to lie about.
Unfortunately for Steve, the Army released a bunch of documents to reveal for the first time how Delta Force was created, and it does not match his story.
The initial plans were formulated after the bombing at the Munich Olympics in 1972.
By 1978, there were already at least 150 enlisted men in Delta Force, so the timeline of him creating it in 1979 makes absolutely no sense.
Delta Force was officially created in 1977 by Army Colonel Charles Beckwith, and Steve's name is literally nowhere to be found in any of the information I can find.
I mean this sincerely.
If this isn't true, this claim is an outrageously disrespectful act.
I'm not going to go, I'm not the type to go over the top about the troops or any of that stuff, but this sort of thing even kind of offends me.
I don't believe Steve.
Unless he can prove what he's saying, particularly about founding Delta Force, this is the sort of thing that only a sociopath would do.
Like, after we did that episode, here's how you, on the show, and maybe I'm ridiculous and everybody else saw this like little Easter eggs that tell you the end of Lost or whatever.
But like, Steve Pagenic has always been presented as a cranky, intelligent, and manipulative dude.
But if you throw something in there, he'll be like, yeah, I'll just include that in the movie.
Like these guys are watching Forrest Gump and then just throwing in little bits over and over and over again until you have a lifetime-long Forrest Gump movie.
The day I finished my interview with you, which he was so grateful about on Sandy Hook, where I told you it was a false flag, I knew that Obama and his White House choir boys would start another false flag in Korea.
I could see it.
I could smell it.
So I got on the plane the next day without anybody's permission.
I was told not to go.
I came here and I wanted to report directly to you and the American public, went on to the DMZ zone in other parts of North Korea, which I cannot describe because of the past experience.
So he knew that because he'd blown the case wide open with telling Alex that Sandy Hook didn't happen and they were actors, that Obama was going to hear his appearance on Alex's show and he's going to have to shift gears and start a false flag in South Korea and North Korea.
So he went over there to get to the bottom of it ahead of time.
That's kind of in relation to earlier in the episode, Alex got like you spinning his wheels about someone critiquing him for bringing up Plato's allegory of the cave.
Because also in The Republic, Plato encourages philosopher kings, and that's against democracy.
What's really particularly jarring about that is that when he's saying that people look and act like actors, he's specifically talking about Robbie Parker, the news conference that he gave where he appeared to change tones right before he started speaking.
This is the exact same thing that the caller a couple months back asked Alex about, and Alex said this is offensive to say this sort of thing about someone who lost their child.
This is a 180-degree split.
He is now making fun of this guy and using it to suggest that these people look and act like actors.
He's still creating it in the form of a disjunction where he says that Obama is having these people on the plane to either exploit the dead kids or to associate with all these people who look and act like actors.
That is a massive shift.
And it doesn't seem like a coincidence that Steve Pieczenik has so deeply insinuated himself on the show.
And Alex is presenting him as an expert.
He's gone to South Korea to report for Alex.
If you take that seriously, you have to take the other things he's bringing to the table seriously.
And one of them is that no one died at Sandy Hook.
I think that this feels like a byproduct of giving Steve credibility.
Well, it's a byproduct of Steve telling you how credible Steve is and you being like, well, obviously Steve told me he's credible and he says nice things about me.
Well, and I, you know, we talked a lot about other things that would factor into that switch, but it seems obvious in retrospect.
The fact that Obama talked to them specifically and personally in person would, of course, be one of those things of like, oh, the president talked to them?
Alex is like, clicks in.
There's no way the president would talk to a real father because he knew that it's a false flag, so he would have had to kill the guy's kid.
So the only way that Obama can actually talk to the father of one of the victims is if there are no victims.
There's a difference between saying this is a sidetrack, we don't need to get into this, and saying the public's not ready for it.
The public's not ready for it is indicative of you believe this, but you don't think you can get away with it yet.
That's what he's expressing.
Adan Salazar came up with his report calling victims in the Aurora shooting actors, and Alex is like, I don't know.
Let's run it by legal.
And then legal said, I don't know if you can get away with this.
Then the climate change, and everyone's calling the Sandy Hook people actors.
You got Steve.
You got Fetzer.
You got James Tracy.
You got Wolfgang Helbig, who still hasn't appeared at all in any of this.
So I don't know what's going on there.
But you have this rising acceptability of this rhetoric, this narrative.
The public is now ready for this.
Also, now is probably the time I can just reveal this because I don't really give a fuck.
Everybody always asks whether or not Alex is aware of our show.
And for the longest time, I've said, I don't know.
I do know that he is aware of our show now because that guy who created the report on the actors in the Aurora shooting, Adan Salazar, one of Alex's longtime producers, follows me on Twitter.
He's accelerating his rhetoric in terms of the existential threat that the globalists present to you.
He's encouraging people to harass the globalists.
And at the same time, he's scaling his rhetoric around these false flags to now incorporate so much talk of them being actors.
If you combine all that stuff together, he's whipping his audience into a frenzy.
He's advising people to go and document and follow them doing evil stuff and including grieving families as members of the people who are involved with the globalist plots.
If you include all three of those things that are very definitely happening around this same time, you have everything he's being sued for.
Absolutely correct.
He is doing that.
He is absolutely doing that.
The defense of other people were saying this stuff online is absolutely true.
It is.
But I don't think it's exculpatory because the level of credibility he gave these arguments by his own show, like the prevalence and the high profile of his own show, and by associating them with Steve Pieczenik and elevating Steve and his theories with his show.
I don't think anybody in the world would have been in a position to do what he did.
Like, it's not, like, I don't know if that makes it any more likely that he'll be found guilty.
I don't know if that makes what he did somehow legally worse, but I can't think of any person who could have done the damage that he is doing to these people.
He was in a unique position, and he did exactly the wrong thing.
Well, I mean, I guess the issue is going to turn out to be that, like, we have proven everything that needs to be proven in terms of this is a wrong and bad and awful thing that led to countless pain.
I don't know if that means it's illegal.
You know what I'm saying?
It's one of those things where the biggest issue that we run into with an investigation like this is that there's absolutely no way that you can come away from this with the information that we have laid out and think Alex was doing great things.
I think there's two points that are really interesting, and that is that Alex's defense of like, I barely talked about Sandy Hook after it happened, is kind of true.
And then the second thing is he could probably fall back behind some version of this that he could tell himself, and that is, I wasn't aware of the consequences of my actions.
I think a little bit later in this episode, we will see clear evidence that that can't be true.
I mean, it is just wall-to-wall criminal activity.
There are tens of thousands of private intelligence groups now that have been given full national security access to everything.
So understand, it's not just Nixon spying on you with your IRS records, and he was going to go to jail for that until he stepped down.
Now, thousands and thousands, including quasi-foreign mercenary groups, are given above-top secret clearances to listen to your phones, get in your computers, your bank accounts, and they put it on the news.
Oh, intelligence agencies look at your bank account every day.
He's waiting to talk to Steve Pieczenik, someone who's been advocating for exactly that for a decade at this point.
Steve has been putting out papers and journals about the need for private intelligence companies to take over for the government.
He's been a customer of Stratford for years and sent emails to them talking about how eventually you'll be the ones who will take care of all this and we can get rid of all the government agencies.
Alex has no idea that he is on the phone with someone who advocates for, stands for, and promotes the very thing that he is sitting here complaining about while he gets Steve on the phone.
So when he's saying that the globalists want to destroy normalcy, what you have to do is consider how Alex defines normalcy.
That's an important piece of the equation.
I think we've done a pretty good job over the course of this show defining and taking clues and direct statements from him about what he thinks is normal.
Let's just do, you know, those composite sketches where they have we inputted like a 10 million faces and we've got the exact like mathematically modeled average face.
If you could do that like in your head for what he thinks that a normal average face that needs to be protected is, what kind of characteristics do you think there is?
Alex in this next clip is kind of mad that people are suggesting that him and all of his right-wing dumb-dumb friends are repeating things from chain emails when they really are just like fear chain emails.
The host didn't even know what was happening as I was driving into work on 590 going, that's just in your chain emails.
None of this is happening.
None of this is happening.
As if we're so weak-minded, they sit there and tell us this isn't happening.
I'm sorry.
Let's go to Dr. Steve Pieczenik, who doesn't need an introduction.
He flew out there to cover it, former top hostage negotiator for the State Department and crisis manager.
Helped get the Camp David Accords through, was involved with General Boykin founding Delta Force in 1979, and has also been involved using psychological warfare to overthrow governments.
And he says he just told us during the break he's got to leave very soon because they're putting major pressure on him now.
The globalist intelligence groups to kick him out of the country.
Over the course of the time that we've been looking at Steve Pieczenik these last couple weeks, as he's shown up on Alex's show more frequently, as he's become clearly involved in Alex's drift towards what will ultimately destroy his life.
It's literally impossible for him to have been on the board that gave Bill Clinton a Fulbright scholarship, mostly because Bill Clinton never got a Fulbright scholarship.
He was a Rhodes Scholar, but he also worked as a clerk for Senator J. William Fulbright while he was in college.
That was between 1964 and 1967 that Bill Clinton was a clerk.
And since Steve was born in 1943, he would have had to been 21 years old at that point if he's mixing up like, I got him a scholarship at the clerk office or whatever.
Yep.
So any time that Bill Clinton was formally involved with Fulbright, Steve would have been 21 years old.
And it's impossible that he was a member of any board.
For one, he's claiming that he was on the board of the Fulbright program.
And while it is true that the State Department heads up a lot of that stuff, and I think Steve is aware of that, and that's why he's doing this, it's a completely different part of the State Department than he was ever involved in.
It's the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs.
Steve presents this world.
I mean, we touched on this already.
He's gallivanting around the State Department from section to section like an inner office forest gump, getting mixed up in whatever historically important things happen in any department.
Except in this instance, he's describing something that didn't happen, namely Bill Clinton getting a Fulbright.
By the time Steve set foot in the State Department in 1974 as an intern or whatever, as a consultant, Bill Clinton had already gotten his law degree from Yale.
He'd met Hillary and he'd moved to Texas with her to campaign for George McGovern.
There's literally zero chance that what he's saying is true.
And Alex accepts this shit unquestioningly.
This is not a small slip-up where Steve can say Fulbright, but he meant Rhodes.
If that were the case, then Steve would have to be claiming that he was on the board of the Rhodes Trust in 1968, which is completely unbelievable, particularly because, according to his timeline, that's the year he got drafted into the Army.
don't need to add in the little expertise for every question you're asked you're an expert on barnes doesn't do anything and somehow he's an expert on fucking everything Do you know why he can get away with it?
Because every time he's asked a question, he doesn't start with, oh, well, and that is important to me, because while I was the premier of China from 1972 to 1973, I would be well aware of the best answer to your question.
So I want to also address one thing really quick, and that is that if you listen very carefully to that clip, because I listened back to it a couple times, and it's not clear that Steve is saying that they gave Bill a Fulbright.
Just they were on the board and they offered him one.
He couldn't have been involved in anything before the point that Bill had already graduated from law school.
The time at Oxford was well behind him.
The timeline does not work out.
It just does not.
There's literally zero chance he would have been involved in any of this shit in any way.
This is a complete lie.
History does not back this up.
And Steve flippantly throws it out in order to insinuate himself greater into these big events that Alex is interested in and curious about and prove that Bill Clinton's a CIA plant.
You know, we had the Secret Service show up here again this morning, and none of the managers were here because Rob Dew works till about seven or eight at night, so he gets here at 10:30.
I was actually here.
I was out there taking a shower because I went and exercise this morning.
I had a shower back there.
And Tim Fruger was over on the other side, so they just told him, Yeah, Alex should be here in 10 minutes.
I was actually there about two minutes.
And I come back out there because I have a subpoena for an idiot that went on the Infowars.com comments and said he wanted to go after somebody.
Like, I know the times that he said, like, the FBI is calling me and stuff, I don't really believe.
But what he's describing, I do think, is probably a natural consequence of the things that are happening.
It's completely believable that authorities showed up because people had been making death threats on his message boards.
Absolutely.
So I can't see Alex not being aware of the connection between the rhetoric he's been using since, I mean, for quite a while, but ramping up since April 3rd, since this period that we're going over.
This direct targeting of the veterans and the Christians is like, there's an existential threat to you.
You've got to follow these demons.
All this stuff.
The consequence of that is people on his message boards saying they're going to go after these people.
That is a natural reaction.
I don't know who the person that this person was targeting is because Alex doesn't bring it up.
But the thing is that as he's presenting this, there is almost like a naivete and Disconnect he's trying to have between his actions and the result of someone posting death threats towards somebody.
Like, they wouldn't, no authorities would show up if it was something vague.
This is a direct consequence of the rhetoric that he uses.
He's trying to pretend that he doesn't understand that and that's not the case.
But as he's talking about how he's not worried about the Secret Service, he launches directly into the exact behavior that elicits death threats from his audience.
Whatever happens to me, I'm trying to do the right thing for the children, the million-plus children that CPS takes every year, and rapes and jostling elders where they teach them how to masturbate.
I mean, it's a pervert guild.
I mean, you think I'm worried about my life when I know you've got kids pinned down all over the country, raping the daylights out of them right now, and I feel guilty that I'm not kicking down doors, stopping them right now, and I just sit here trying to wake people up.
You think I care?
You think I'm worried about you?
You think I'm like you, a coward, a sack of garbage?
You think I'm like you?
I'm not like you.
I'm a red-blooded person who is not even near good, but that simply doesn't want to hurt innocent people.
You people are a bunch of delusional scum.
And I'm going to tell you something.
Society is going to collapse.
This country is going to be judged.
So you have all your parcel birth abortions and you shoot your kids up and watch them have convulsions and brain damage them.
This country is run by psycho killer demons, folks.
That's all I got to tell you.
That's all I got to tell you.
And you know what?
I seem crazy to people because I'm awake and I see it.
What he's expressing in that clip, I mean, what you hear is a guy who's saying he feels guilty for not kicking down these people's doors.
If you are someone who is so inclined to believe the things that Alex says and someone who's susceptible to the way he manipulates people's emotions, it wouldn't be hard to hear that and be like, this is Alex saying that I should be doing those sorts of things because Alex is expressing that he wishes he was doing those things.
This isn't okay.
This is absolutely, I think over the course of this episode, the things that you see are a trend of Steve Pieczenik manipulating Alex, having him around his finger with this pageant of going to South Korea.
And then more importantly, you see this escalation of rhetoric towards direct targeting of people who are the supposed enemies.
And you see the consequences of that when the Secret Service shows up about one of his commenters.
And his response to that is not to take a look in the mirror and say, is it possible that the things that I'm doing are eliciting this reaction?
It's to say, fuck it.
I'm doubling down.
I'm going to make it worse.
I'm going to engage in the exact behaviors that elicit this response.
What motivates him is the money that he gets, and if they get hurt, and the furthering of his narratives, the confirmation of his narratives.
Because if one of his listeners goes out and commits some sort of egregious act, motivated by the things that he convinces them of and manipulates them about, when it comes out in the media that they were fans of his, it also confirms all of his narratives about how they're going to do false flags and blame the Patriots.
Like we've spent almost three years going over the granular details he lies and manipulates people.
And to look at this in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and see how this has progressed to the point that it's got to now, like, I do let him off the hook a tiny bit because of how much Steve is manipulating him, obviously.
But that's only one area where this behavior is manifesting.
Like he's he through his behavior, he's trying to get people to go follow VA doctors, abortion doctors, people who are pastors at churches that are globalist.
Like he's saying they're clergy response team people.
They're in on it.
Trying to put you and your family in a FEMA camp.
Like there's a lot of people that he's trying to get that treatment applied to that was applied to the Sandy Hook families.
Like he's it's a far more universal thing than probably we even expected when we set out for this.
Like he's he's legitimately presenting the idea that they're in the middle of a civil war already and the answer to that is targeted harassment of the people that I've determined are our enemies.
Getting people to agree with him is only useful as it's transmitted or transmuted into they put up bumper stickers, they spread the word about the show, right?
They buy my products, they sign up to King Jefferson.
See, it almost makes me go the opposite direction, the way that he doesn't give a fuck.
Almost and the way that he's actually engaging in literal stochastic terrorism is almost more like he genuinely believes that we are in a civil war and that there's only one way he's going to come out on top.
I think he probably believes a lot of the smaller hate commies kind of stuff.
Cultural Marxism and white people are the best.
They are.
I think he believes those things, but I don't think he believes the severity of the situation that he's presenting.
I think he's keenly aware that a lot of that is just stuff he's hyping up for the explicit purpose of whether it's drawing in more people, making himself interesting, keeping people who are on board more scared, radicalizing the groups that he's already got on board.
I think that those are the goals that he has.
And I think he has to know that he's just full of shit about the scale.
In the introduction here, he insinuates that this is a conspiracy about him because it still elevates that narrative of everybody who supports guns as being targeted.
It's just so terrifying to look at because you know the consequences.
You know what's coming.
And you see the behavior.
That if any of it was different, if any of it was more sane, if he just behaved like a responsible human being, didn't lie to people, didn't manipulate people, asked himself for one fucking second, is it possible that Steve is just making this shit up?
If he did any of those things, crises could have been averted.
People's lives could have been way better.
Like, it's unthinkable how every single decision had to be bad for Alex to end up in the position he is in.
And against all odds, he made every wrong decision.
You flipped it over every time you were every time you hit heads, you just flipped it over, and you're like, eh, no, I know I should have done that, but I think I'm just going to flip it over.
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