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Aug. 2, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
01:38:06
#327: July 31, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a present day episode of The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex breaks down his response to the first night of the Democrat primary debate, but gets sidetracked talking about run-ins with royalty, bragging about his daughter singing a song, and trying to sell product like his future depends on it, which it might.

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a
alex jones
13:55
d
dan friesen
56:53
j
jordan holmes
22:31
Appearances
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robert barnes
01:21
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pete buttigieg
00:09
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alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
I love you.
Hey, everybody!
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Hi.
jordan holmes
What was your first social media page?
unidentified
Were you a MySpace guy first, or did you do Friendster?
dan friesen
I didn't do Friendster.
jordan holmes
You didn't do Friendster?
dan friesen
That's a good question, though.
I think probably MySpace.
I know that I was on Facebook.
I've mentioned this before, back when it was the Facebook.
And you had to be in college.
You had to have a college email address in order to get on it.
I remember the scandal of when they started allowing non-college people on.
Everyone was up at arm.
It's comical to think back on that now.
unidentified
Now that they own the world.
dan friesen
I very strongly resisted getting on it because it seemed very much like a frat kind of thing.
There seemed to be a Greek world connection to social...
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, that makes sense.
dan friesen
It definitely had that vibe.
But I wrote a column for my campus paper, and I got hate mail from people, just people like dumb, dumb, dumb-dumbs.
And one of them, I was like, I wonder what this dude is.
He wrote me a really mean piece of hate mail.
Like, I'll beat your ass kind of.
unidentified
And this was back when it was still male.
dan friesen
No, no, it was an email.
But I was like, I wonder who this guy is.
I remember my brother being like, you can check if he's on the Facebook, see if you can find out some information about him.
jordan holmes
That was the beginning of the end for humanity.
That was the beginning of the end!
Yeah.
Right there!
dan friesen
That's what motivated me to join the Facebook, was to find out, like, how can I insult this guy who sent me hate mail?
jordan holmes
Oh my god!
That is a microcosm of the human race's demise.
dan friesen
Yep, unfortunately.
That's what suckered me in to Facebook.
I don't use Facebook personally, but I guess all that information is still there and shit.
jordan holmes
They probably know everything that we're talking about right now.
dan friesen
It's terrible.
Anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about Facebook and I guess MySpace.
I was on there.
jordan holmes
Nobody remembers MySpace.
dan friesen
Terrible functionality.
And it brought us Dane Cook.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was MySpace's claim to fame.
dan friesen
Yep, I know all about that and Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I only know what you tell me about any number of those things.
dan friesen
Correct.
Jordan, today we've got an interesting...
We're staying in the present day for today's episode because, Alex, I don't know if you know this.
jordan holmes
Don't.
dan friesen
Earlier in the week.
Doing Clown World Part 2. Did not know that.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Alex named his first debate coverage, whenever they did the first Democrat debates.
jordan holmes
I recall.
dan friesen
He did the Clown World special, which he named after a vaguely anti-Semitic and bigoted meme.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because of course.
dan friesen
And he decided that not only is he going to call his second debate coverage Clown World 2, he has bought clownworld.us as a URL to host all of it.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Come on.
You go with Two Clown, Two World.
Come on.
unidentified
Perfect.
dan friesen
Lobs and Shaw is coming out this weekend.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Yeah, exactly.
Tie it in.
You could probably get some sponsorship money on it.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
But he is trying to get some money.
Because this is a 40-hour live marathon.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's doing money bombs all the time now.
It's almost like this.
The other one was a huge 40-hour spectacle.
Or at least like...
I don't remember if he was going the entire time, but it was at least a two-night, really long live spectacular.
And now this one's like two days straight.
jordan holmes
Clownstravaganza, if you will.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is a mess.
I've learned my lesson with Alex Jones' Money Bomb Marathons that is like, don't even bother with the times that Alex is on.
You think it's going to be...
You don't think it's going to be fun.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, no.
dan friesen
I think it's going to be all fun and games.
I'm just going to sit here and listen to 40 hours of this dumb bullshit.
And then you're like hours and hours of Harrison Smith phoning it in at 2 in the morning.
And then them just playing half hour commercials to fill time.
It's not worth it.
It's stupid.
The only value in it is Alex Jones getting drunk in the evenings.
Which he's on a tight leash now.
They don't let him do that.
And then Alex's show, whenever he's doing his normal show.
Those are the only times that the content during the marathon is in any way digestible.
jordan holmes
Wait, so in the 40-hour marathon, he still only just does his show for three hours at the times that he normally does it?
And then maybe he'll guest on something, that kind of thing?
dan friesen
He'll come and yell during the war room intermittently.
In the past, he's done his Ask Me Anythings in the evening.
He'll do an hour block to do an AMA.
jordan holmes
Right, the drunken AMA.
dan friesen
Or in this case, he'll show up for part of the debate coverage that Robert Barnes is basically hosting.
jordan holmes
Why is Barnes there?
God damn it, Barnes.
dan friesen
Well, because he, I think he's got blackmail.
jordan holmes
Barnes has got some shit.
dan friesen
He's got to know something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is not normal.
The way he's taken over this network.
jordan holmes
Alex, if you are listening, Barnes is not your friend.
dan friesen
No, he's trying to kill you.
jordan holmes
He's doing, he's single white femaling you.
dan friesen
It's like a less understandable version of what Roger Stone did to Alex.
The way that he insinuated himself so deeply.
But that made sense because he had presumptive access to Trump.
jordan holmes
And he's a rat fucker of the highest caliber for 40 years.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Of course he should be rat fucking you.
dan friesen
All it shows really is how desperate Alex is to glom on to some powerful personality that wants to take him over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he needs a dad.
He needs a daddy.
dan friesen
His dad's too busy with the HR department.
So, anyway, I wanted to look into his debate stuff, but I didn't want to watch the whole thing, because I know that he's not going to be there for the entire time that they're doing the debate coverage.
It suffices just to listen to his show.
Now, we're going to be going over July 31st, 2019.
That's the day after the first night of the debates.
I don't really care about the second night of the debates, because that's not interesting to anyone.
jordan holmes
I don't care about either night.
dan friesen
I don't...
Yeah, I'm not...
I'm not over the moon with any of it, but the larger conversation of anybody who's maybe me or Alex Jones is probably going to be surrounding the first night.
Because you had Bernie Sanders, you had Elizabeth Warren, you had Marianne Williamson, you had everybody who is going to make things interesting.
What do you got?
Yang?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come on.
dan friesen
You got Inslee.
You got your boy Inslee.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
My boy Inslee.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, anybody who focuses that much on climate change is technically my boy.
unidentified
He's your boy.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
Don't, uh, don't, uh...
jordan holmes
Look, I'm in the bag for Warren or Sanders and everybody else can fuck off at this point.
dan friesen
Right, but don't forsake Inslee three times before the cock crows.
Lest climate change never be solved.
I'm mixing metaphors.
But I don't really care about what Alex's take on the second night is.
Particularly because, I mean, what are you going to do?
Yell about Biden?
I don't give a shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I thought it would be much more interesting to look at the first Alex's episode the day after the first night of the debates.
Which is what we'll be going over today.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
But before we get to that, gotta give a shout out to the people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah!
dan friesen
And I appreciate it.
And so do you.
First, Brendan, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Next, Naja, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I'm positive I mispronounced that.
jordan holmes
Is it N-A-D-I-A?
dan friesen
N-A-J-A-H.
N-A-J-A-H.
Naha.
jordan holmes
Naha?
Naja?
Naja?
We want to thank you.
Either way.
dan friesen
So very much.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
dan friesen
Next, Justin.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Justin.
dan friesen
Next, Dan and Dagan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Combined are a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Dan and Dagan.
dan friesen
Dagan, yes.
jordan holmes
Dan and Dagan.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you so much, Daddy Shark.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to give a special thank you to some people who have signed up on an elevated level, and we appreciate it oh so very much.
So, Callie, Matthew, and Deepak, thank you so much.
You are all now technocrats.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Callie.
Thank you so much, Matthew.
And thank you so much, Deepak.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Callie, Matthew, and Deepak.
dan friesen
We appreciate it very much.
If you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I'd like to support what these guys do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
We'd love it.
dan friesen
So now, we're coming off debate.
Night one.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex was there for the live coverage and then left.
He was only there for part of it.
jordan holmes
They did it.
dan friesen
But the reason is because he thought it was a snooze.
He thought it was so boring.
jordan holmes
Fair.
alex jones
Okay, I would like to be able to focus here today on the incredibly boring but at the same time horrifying second round of the Democrat debates that kicked off last night.
dan friesen
So I have a bigger theory about this, and that is that I think that Alex realizes that...
The conversations that some of the candidates are bringing forth are things that he can't really argue with.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, he doesn't want to get anywhere near it.
dan friesen
He's not really good at a well-articulated argument for Medicare for All.
He's really good with these distractionary things like raises taxes.
He's not really good with addressing the point of, yes, your taxes will go up, but your premium and your co-pay will go away.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's a net gain.
Yeah, for citizens as opposed to a raise taxes.
jordan holmes
They frame it as a bullshit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But when people are clearly articulating it and pushing back against the misframing of it, I think that Alex is like, wow, this is boring and horrifying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's not good at that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's not good in the weeds.
jordan holmes
Well, because the ostensible enemies that he's facing were also the ones who are yelling at Sanders about how it's going to raise your taxes or whatever.
So he's already got the Republican Party fucking avatar there for him in the form of everybody who wasn't.
Sanders and Warren.
Right.
unidentified
All pushing, especially the CNN hosts, all pushing it.
dan friesen
And that's a complicated position for Alex to be in.
Exactly.
unidentified
I don't think that he...
jordan holmes
Because he has to agree with one of the Democratic candidates.
dan friesen
Well, or the quote-unquote establishment of CNN to some extent.
Yeah, it's not really good for him.
So I think that is part of the reason why he ended up just, like, leaving his own show the night before.
jordan holmes
I'm not supposed to be here.
dan friesen
He's like, ah, fuck it.
I'm going home.
alex jones
Quite frankly, last night, I was up here for part of the live broadcast that we'll keep doing tonight.
This one should be even more lively with Joe Biden being attacked.
But it was nauseating to watch.
And in fact, at one point, anybody who wanted to tune in to another place could.
I just cut away for 20 minutes at a time because I just couldn't watch it and couldn't listen to it.
dan friesen
I felt my time would be better served by rambling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I mean, to be fair, I watched all the 2016 presidential debates on Infowars.
I watched their coverage of it.
I made a point of doing that for God knows what reason.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was an interesting time in our lives.
dan friesen
I thought it was all fun and games to some extent, but I was watching it, and he doesn't really cover what's happening in the debate, even in the best of times.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He still just yells over stuff.
I think that he just didn't have the material he wanted to work with.
Fuck it.
Barnes, Owen, you got this.
Enjoy.
I'm going home.
But he does have a conclusion.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Well-reasoned.
dan friesen
Despite not really paying attention to or watching any of this other than maybe some select clips that people have given him, he has a definitive statement to make about all of these candidates.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
There is no doubt that these individuals are absolutely financed and paid and put into their positions of power.
To sabotage and bring this nation down.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
I mean, that's what's going on here.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
alex jones
And I know all of you know that, but we really need to let that burn in.
jordan holmes
Feel it.
alex jones
Let that burn in.
dan friesen
I have to assume he's using that subtle coding to Bernie.
I don't know.
I think that...
I think you're going to have a tough time trying to unify all of those candidates.
You know, like, oh, all of these people are paid to bring down America.
Really?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Such different philosophies and different backgrounds that are represented on both nights of that stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, no, the...
There is a variety of ideology and just maybe even less interesting than the ideology is the practical way that each of the candidates is talking about achieving these goals.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
jordan holmes
Warren's detailed plans are interesting not just because they are very, very progressive but also because they're concrete.
They're putting together steps forward.
Sanders is, you know, Willing to do what Sanders has always been willing to do for 40 years, which might as well be fucking walk up in front of the White House while he's supposed to live there and protest himself.
Like, there's all that.
And then you have Pete Buttigieg, who is a small town mayor who's fucking up his own town.
Why are we pretending that he should be there?
dan friesen
And then you got Beto.
jordan holmes
You got Beto, who doesn't actually know anything.
dan friesen
I think he's confused.
jordan holmes
He's very sad.
dan friesen
And then there's a bunch of people who I have no fucking idea who they are.
jordan holmes
Who are you?
Half the time somebody spoke, I was like, no, you're not even a person.
dan friesen
And then, of course, you got the winner of the night.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that is Mary Ann Williams.
jordan holmes
Mary Ann Williams, of course.
dan friesen
Which is Alex's angle on it.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And he has an interesting take, and I think it's really important to trace things like this.
alex jones
Now, let's play a clip first of Mary Ann Williamson, the New Ager, who in a Drudge poll won, a Google poll won, a bunch of other polls won by a huge margin, even though she was given the least amount of time.
And even though they say this is her last debate.
Now, why was it that she was so popular?
Because she was the only one that was genuine.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, that's not why.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
She was genuinely wrong.
She was genuinely saying a lot of things that weren't true.
But she meant well.
It was from a position of a useful idiot.
jordan holmes
To me...
The headline Marianne Williamson won the debate, which is something that I read too many times, is the reason that these debates are pointless political ratings grabs.
There's nothing real if you're a headline, because the narrative that they're building around it invalidates the entire point of the debate.
dan friesen
Sort of.
But I actually think that there's something else going on here that's worth mentioning.
And so what you're talking about is absolutely true.
There were a lot of opinion pieces that were written about how Marianne Williamson won the first night of the second round of these debates.
But a lot of these were the kind of clickbait headlines with articles that discuss how she did have some good answers to tough questions, things surrounding reparations in particular.
She makes a lot of sense on and people have enjoyed that.
jordan holmes
Everyone did point that out specifically.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, she used the term dark psychic force, which led to an immediate spike in Google traffic for the term.
Fun.
unidentified
The one part of this narrative that's real is that Marianne Williamson was the most Googled candidate name after the debate.
dan friesen
But that's not necessarily an indication of support or a belief in these people that she That's just proof that people thought that she was interesting and wanted to learn about this here dark psychic force.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What Alex is talking about is completely unscientific internet polls on sites like the Drudge Report, where right-wing dicks mounted campaigns to drive people to vote for Marianne Williamson to create the appearance that she's a far more popular candidate than she is, with the hopes of muddying the waters.
The right sees Marianne Williamson as a joke candidate, so helping her create the air of legitimacy as a real contender is in their best interests.
Coordinated campaigns on 4chan's poll board encouraged followers to spam the Drudge poll, saying, quote, Marianne Williamson is the craziest person up there right now.
She is an unhinged lunatic, would be perfect candidate to have no chance.
People responded with things like, quote, anybody know of any other polls to vote besides Drudge?
Lunianne Williamson needs our support.
Nice work, dude.
Another user put it bluntly, quote, You guys are rigging the Drudge poll, and that's a good thing.
From there, right-wing sites used that poll, as well as other easily riggable polls on sites like The Blaze and Breitbart, to create their new talking point, that Marianne Williamson was the winner of the first night of debates.
This is a very clearly coordinated plan to spread a talking point with the hopes of boosting a candidate they felt Trump could easily defeat.
And Alex has unquestioningly picked up that talking point in his decision.
Well, now that I know that...
jordan holmes
And it was alive in 2015.
It's very obvious Marianne Williamson will be the next fucking president.
Because what else did people say whenever Trump was running in those first fucking debates?
dan friesen
I think that's the reason why.
I believe it was on Vox I read a piece about, like, this isn't funny, this is scary.
The way people are responding to this candidacy.
Like, yes, she does make some good points.
Which, she should have a column?
Or maybe she could be a talking head on a show.
Or, like, you know, put her on MSNBC to comment on some stuff.
Maybe fits in well there.
unidentified
That'd be fine.
dan friesen
Running for president, we are so far gone that this isn't it.
jordan holmes
Seriously, how about we have...
Two people who should be on reality TV shows instead of the presidency win the presidency.
dan friesen
Right.
That's a scary proposition.
It's an indictment of where we're at right now.
Even though that's not to say everything about her is terrible.
Even though there are a lot of really messed up things that she's stood for in the past.
Like anti-psych-med kind of narratives.
Anti-vax ideas.
Why not?
There's plenty of really bad in her past.
But you notice...
So people like Alex won't criticize that.
jordan holmes
It's surprising.
dan friesen
They don't even bring that stuff up.
jordan holmes
They want to ignore the bad stuff.
Because they agree with the bad stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
And then turn the good stuff into a negative for her.
So that way, from the left, all the bad stuff is viewed as bad.
And from the right, all the good stuff is viewed as bad.
And so that means she will be the next president of the United States.
dan friesen
Right.
They did this, like the troll brigades and what have you, did this during the first debate as well, like the first round of debates.
All of these polls that don't have any kind of controls of multiple voting, they're very easily cheatable.
And when you have enough people centralized that are willing to just keep voting, you're able to rig these things so fucking easily, and that's what they're doing.
jordan holmes
And a media that is willing to take those bullshit people and signal boost them to an extent that almost creates the reality that they're trying to create out of fucking nothing.
dan friesen
You have to be very careful with these things.
And it's one of the reasons...
I think even if you know nothing else about Matt Drudge, the fact that he would run a poll like that...
On his site that has this huge credibility on the right wing.
It tells you everything you need to know about how little he cares about influencing narratives.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And being able to be a conduit for bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So one of the things that Marianne Williamson said during the debate that got raucous applause was her discussion of the situation in Flint and about how it's not just Flint.
There's a lot of underprivileged communities.
That have these same sorts of issues.
It wouldn't be happening in a large, well-to-do city.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Gross Point isn't going to get bad water.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex plays her commentary.
jordan holmes
It's going to get some John Cusack.
Anyways.
dan friesen
Hey, there we go.
Alex plays those clips and then misrepresents it to pretend that she's saying that Trump is poisoning.
Flint's water or something.
But you'll see how he uses this.
Because keep in mind, this is his show, but it's also part of a 40-hour marathon where he's doing a money bomb.
alex jones
So Donald Trump, he's poisoning the water.
Not the Democrats and the Globals that set all this up.
By the way, remember David Hogg attacked me for saying you should filter your water?
And then he goes, and he sells water filters.
He's trying to make money absolutely off doing something good.
You can't trust the government.
You can't trust the globalists.
You've got to filter your own water yourself and the water you shower in if you want to live longer.
dan friesen
Didn't get caught off guard by that break.
He got his plug in and was like, alright, two seconds left and I'm good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seemed like he was just going to be quiet until the end of the...
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
Alright, good on him.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, so it's perfect.
Marianne Williamson talking about the water in Flint is a perfect opportunity for him to use as a sales pitch for his water filtration.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
No, but that's what this show fucking is.
jordan holmes
I know, but that's really, really exploitative.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's...
Too obvious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's a bummer how obvious it is.
dan friesen
And she never blamed Trump for Flint.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
She's talking about how it's a problem that's existed for longer than this, but she brings up that Trump and his administration have crippled the Clean Water Act, which is fair.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, yes, if you want to create a straw man out of her argument and say that she's saying that Trump is poisoning the water in Flint, then great, you can respond to that, but your response doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
That's the whole game, too.
There aren't many things where you can say Trump is the direct originator of this awful thing that the government is doing.
dan friesen
I bet if I sat down you could come up with a few.
jordan holmes
No, there are a few, but there are so many more where it's like the government has been doing this awful thing and Trump has exacerbated it to a level that might as well be in its own stratosphere.
dan friesen
Yeah, or he explicitly refuses to...
Help work towards solving it.
jordan holmes
Everything he does is making something worse, whether or not he was the originator of the bad thing in the first place.
dan friesen
So most of this show has been, up to this point, him using this fake poll about Marianne Williamson winning the debate to...
Present her as who everyone's into.
The left all loves her.
jordan holmes
The new darling.
dan friesen
Like the left is fucking voting in a Drudge poll.
Get the fuck out of here.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
You weren't on that Drudge poll?
I was clicking refresh over and over and over again.
dan friesen
Certainly was not.
jordan holmes
I wanted to make sure Drudge knew that I thought Marianne Williamson won the debate.
dan friesen
This is very useful for him in many ways because it, first of all, allows him to paint so much of the people.
On the left who would vote Democrat as, like, oh, they like this orb shit.
They like this crystals.
So you get that benefit.
And then when she doesn't get the nomination, he gets to trot out, like, she won all the polls.
The DNC is fucking her over.
He gets to play that narrative over again.
jordan holmes
The DNC is too busy fucking all of us over to worry about her.
dan friesen
I get the feeling that she is being set up to fill that sort of a role for Alex in some way.
Maybe it won't be her.
Maybe it'll be Tulsi.
Whatever the case is, he's trying to establish some sort of a someone else should have run, but the Democrat Party is so corrupt.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Whatever.
Fair enough, fine.
I don't give a shit about his version of this.
And then the rest of it is just him ranting about his own life and his own victimhood and stuff.
There's not real content to it, which makes this extra funny when he has run out of time to cover the news.
alex jones
You see how it works now, don't you?
Because when you don't care about yourself and you're willing to die to defeat the enemy, then you're truly strong and no longer a coward like these men that only seek power over others instead of turning humanity loose.
Oh, they might have physical courage to kill somebody, but they're doing it for their own evil aim.
Selfishness.
jordan holmes
So then is that courage?
alex jones
And their selfishness has blinded them.
Oh, I said I'd get into the big top story.
I'll do it next segment because there's not time in four and a half minutes.
dan friesen
What the fuck is happening?
Like, that would be parody if it wasn't his actual show.
Like, he's just rambling about how he's a big, strong boy, and then he's like...
Fuck.
I don't have time to get to the top story because I rambled about being a big strong boy too long.
I'm glad, audience, you don't have any standards because if you did, boy, I would be not living up to them.
jordan holmes
Is there any better proof?
For why you want to be your own boss than how bad he is at his own show.
dan friesen
I think that it's actually good evidence why you don't want to be your own boss.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Because if no one can stop you, no one can stop you from doing terrible work like this.
It's just embarrassing.
God, I love it.
Anyway, the top story is that China's going to invade Hong Kong.
jordan holmes
I don't think they should do that.
dan friesen
No, no one thinks they should do that.
jordan holmes
I think that's a bad idea.
dan friesen
He's going to get to that a little bit later.
I don't care about his analysis of it, but we'll touch on it a tiny bit.
A lot of the episode is him talking about how this is going to be like Tiananmen Square times 100.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But more importantly, I don't know if I mentioned this, this is a money bomb.
jordan holmes
Yes, I've heard that.
It seems like he's, even in his lies, he's already set up at least two ad pivots.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he does a lot of ad non-pivots, you know, just straight up sort of messaging for money.
And this is one of them, where he explains what he needs money for.
alex jones
And I forgot to even add, this is a fundraiser to launch the next phase of the operation.
Some overt, some covert.
50% off to 60% off.
Store and free shipping.
Double Patreon points.
Haven't had a deal this big since Christmas.
dan friesen
You've had this deal going since Christmas, isn't it?
unidentified
Double baiting points, half off everything is the consistent fucking...
dan friesen
That's the 4th of July sale all over again!
jordan holmes
Give us money so we can run covert Infowars operations!
dan friesen
What does that mean?
jordan holmes
We're sending them overseas to find out what China's up to!
dan friesen
It's legal fees.
jordan holmes
Why isn't Barnes in the background of the shot over his right shoulder like fucking Dracula?
dan friesen
Because he's too busy laughing in another room by how much money he's making off this rube.
jordan holmes
Cha-ching!
dan friesen
He's got that giant accounting calculator that Alex was using to count up Instagram accounts.
He's like, oh my god, I can't believe that this is amazing.
I don't know.
I think the covert stuff he's talking about is probably like paying Caitlin Bennett to go...
Places with a non-Infowars microphone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or, like, some sort of a knockoff Project Veritas type nonsense.
Right, that's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That kind of bullshit.
dan friesen
I kind of have to assume that's what he means.
jordan holmes
Or he's just lying.
dan friesen
Or he's funding, like, militias.
But I don't think that's the case.
Because that, I mean, saying we need money for covert stuff, you look at what Alex stands for, what his world is.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Like, he might be paying Matt Bracken to get a troop together.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no, that's possible.
dan friesen
I don't think that's likely, but...
jordan holmes
Like when Ross Perot hired people to fucking storm veterans?
dan friesen
I don't remember that.
jordan holmes
You don't remember that?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Ross Perot set up a...
I'm pretty sure it was Ross Perot.
He was super into veterans, and he paid a lot of money and set up a covert operation to rescue...
Prisoners of War.
dan friesen
Good on him.
jordan holmes
And he built a fake version of a prison, and then they tried to go, and the prison, they moved.
It was a whole thing.
dan friesen
Good on Ross.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm pretty sure that was him.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, good for him.
I don't think Alex is doing that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think he's probably just paying his lawyers.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
But in this next clip, we get to the story, a little bit of the story of China and Hong Kong.
If you want to know what the real story is, I recommend you read something.
Don't listen to Alex.
I'm only going to play this clip because I think that it demonstrates, even in Alex trying to cover just a normal news story, which is China's making overtures that it might come in to stamp down protests in Hong Kong.
Right?
Just that story.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He still has to get fucking racist.
alex jones
I'm not going to even hedge bets.
I think within the next week, you're going to see a Tiananmen Square-level event.
Only if the Chinese government backs down.
And their dictator, given more power than Mao Zedong, Xi, has not been showing any signs of that.
So this is going to get extremely violent extremely quickly.
Because I'm telling you folks, studying warfare and the Asian brain, and everybody can turn it loose and kill people.
But once the Asians start getting into a fight, it gets real bloody, real quick, and both sides don't give up.
So this is going to get really, really, really nasty fast.
dan friesen
The Asian is a ferocious people.
What?
jordan holmes
Can you do that?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess you can.
jordan holmes
Apparently you can.
dan friesen
When you don't have a boss.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, and I guess nobody is really paying attention to him anymore.
Otherwise, usually you would at least see a headline that's like, Alex says the Asian brain murders people.
unidentified
When it gets going, it keeps going.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, that's crazy.
unidentified
When the going gets Asians, the Asians get going.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, between him thinking that South Koreans are Chinese and this, I mean, you got...
jordan holmes
What is this dude?
dan friesen
To be fair, I think I have heard him express this exact sentiment in the past.
This idea of, like, Asians being somehow...
jordan holmes
I think so, but I thought he was talking about it.
dan friesen
More genetically violent once they get violent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I thought he was talking about the Japanese, but in the context of World War II.
dan friesen
Like Kamikaze pilots or something?
jordan holmes
Yeah, so it was racist.
We all knew it was racist, but it wasn't as just blanket like, hey, anybody from Asia, if they start to get that bloodlust going, it's never going to end.
dan friesen
Look out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, watch out for Asian bloodlust.
I know because my daughter's wife is South Korean or whatever.
dan friesen
So this is...
I mean, it's not good.
I don't like it.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
You know, especially when you're saying that, like, this group of people by their, like, genetic predisposition is violent when they get going or whatever.
To then immediately, just after that, just a little bit after that, have him say this.
It was like, what about you, Alex?
alex jones
You know, if you're not anti for swinging the hammer, you can actually get something done.
I mean, I could kill ten people in about two minutes with a hammer in a fight.
Thank God Antifa didn't know how to use one.
You see those videos, they're hitting people with those hammers.
dan friesen
It's almost as if when you see those videos of Antifa hitting people with stuff, or maybe they're not trying to kill anybody.
unidentified
Maybe...
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
They're just bad at killing people, Dan.
Oh, yeah.
Look, if you...
Man, he's a bad human being.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's really...
jordan holmes
He's a real bad human being.
dan friesen
He's a real bad dude.
Real bad dude.
Almost like he's proud of himself for his hammer-killing abilities.
jordan holmes
It's almost like he's about to say, I could kill more people than an Asian who's gotten going.
dan friesen
Now my best, my career best is six.
unidentified
But I could get ten in two minutes.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
If I had gotten to my prime, my knee went out in double-A ball.
If I had gotten to my prime, if I'd made it to the show, I'd be knocking 20, 30 home runs out of the park.
dan friesen
With a hammer.
jordan holmes
With a hammer.
dan friesen
I just think I hear these things and his version of what he likes to brag about and how he likes to amp himself up.
The particular ways he does are just so gross and childish.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So stupid.
Anyway, that's not a surprise.
He is all of those things.
Absolutely.
But he does, you know, I mean, I don't know exactly what the actual geopolitical ramifications would be if China were to, you know, encroach on Hong Kong.
I don't know what the exact consequences of it would be.
I hope we don't find out.
Alex believes it will be a giant war, and he also thinks that there's other ways that a giant war could start.
Sure.
Particularly the Middle East and Africa.
Well, I mean, it's like, okay.
You're saying, okay, well, there could be a giant war and it might start in one half of the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Or the other half.
alex jones
And when we come back, I'll get into the other two areas that could start giant wars in the Middle East and in Africa and another area that's happening there in Asia as well.
But this is a big, big deal.
Separately, let me do a proper plug.
We're in the middle of a fundraiser.
If we sell a million dollars a product, then we'll only make like $150,000.
We sell a million.
We'll probably make about $300,000.
I got up at 5.30 this morning, and I went and looked at InfoWars.com forward slash show where you can make donations and where you can also purchase products at huge discounts, and then all those numbers are added together by some computer program they put together every 30 minutes.
jordan holmes
Not your fucking calculator, that's for sure.
alex jones
And like at 6 a.m., I'm text messaging Michael Zimmerman.
And I'm saying, $700,000?
I said, when I went to bed, it was at like $300,000.
And he said, let me check.
Well, an hour later, they go, oh, when they batched the orders that came in on the shopping cart, it triple-batched that batch.
So, yeah, that removed $200,000 from it.
So, it's at $389,000.
And again, it's just a system that adds the donations that get entered in and the shopping cart stuff and updates every 30 minutes, I'm told.
So it's not exact, but it's around $389,000.
And that's triple what we normally bring in in the last few days.
And so that's good.
But when we're selling this stuff, some of it is very close to no profit.
Don't do that.
of sales to do it that's gonna keep pushing and i hope by tomorrow we bring a million dollars gross sales added donations and we're getting a lot of gross sales not a lot of donations but it's easy to do that as well and donations are better as we get 95 of the money and that's really needed for the next project so check it out infoworkstore.com thanks This is a bummer.
dan friesen
This is not a jubilant Alex during his money bomb.
Had that number been real in the morning, I think he would be pretty excited.
But as it is now, that is not where he wants to be in terms of this money bomb.
Because he also knows that there's so much dead space during that 40 hours that no money's coming in.
No money's coming in when Harrison Smith is hosting.
Almost nothing is probably coming in with David Knight with all his people who are on set amounts to live.
They're all retirees listening to David Knight.
No one's paying any money for Owen Schroer's stuff because no one's watching him.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because he sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has very little opportunity to actually hit his goal, probably.
jordan holmes
Man, it feels like if you're bragging on air, I don't know if it's, I mean, if you're lamenting on air about how you need as much revenue as possible and you don't particularly care about the profit, I think he's embezzling money from his own company.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think that's how he's paying.
dan friesen
I'm no accountant.
jordan holmes
I think that's how Barnes is going down on this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Could be.
I don't know.
I don't know enough about finances to know anything.
But I can tell just on a human level.
I don't feel like what he's manifesting is someone who's doing good.
jordan holmes
No, he's not doing well.
dan friesen
I don't think the money bomb's going great.
I don't think anything is going great.
Which makes me...
I mean, it's close to schadenfreude, but it's not quite.
Because I still don't rejoice in his downfall or anything like that.
I'm mildly amused by it.
But I'm more interested in his actual substantive arguments and worldviews.
I'm more excited when I find a lie than I am in him going out of business.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because him going out of business still affects a lot of people who are maybe not...
Who aren't Alex Jones, who I will have far more sympathy for.
If Alex goes down and it was in a vacuum and everyone in his orbit remained at their status quo, I'd be like, that's pretty funny.
dan friesen
I feel a little sympathy for his employees who would be out of job.
Presumably, if they have skills, they could find another job.
jordan holmes
Just erase InfoWars.
dan friesen
I think everybody's better off not working at InfoWars, I would assume.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
His family, I feel bad for them, but he also has millions of dollars, so even if they go out of business, they'll be fine.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
What I would really worry about is, I think that there might be something to this.
Alex Jones might be one of the few things that's holding a lot of people back from being involved in QAnon.
So were he to go out of business, those people, you know, nature abhors a vacuum.
They've got to fill that paranoia space somehow.
jordan holmes
Right, and Ben Shapiro's not going to do it.
dan friesen
The next best game in town is kind of, you know, jumping over to Q stuff.
And that might be more dangerous.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
So people actually believe in the Q stuff, huh?
dan friesen
It appears so.
jordan holmes
Like, for real, though?
dan friesen
It appears.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
You know, from where we're sitting, it's very easy to believe that it's all just bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just people pretending to believe.
jordan holmes
It kind of feels like that.
dan friesen
I feel like there's a couple of dead bodies that would beg to differ.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's actually very true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, this money bomb is not going great.
So, Alex knows that he needs to do the one thing that is going to get the donations coming in.
jordan holmes
Eat a horse's heart on air.
dan friesen
That would be awesome.
He chose something else.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
All right, a guy that's become a good friend of mine, really smart, funny fella, and one of our top hosts here now, our chief legal strategist, Robert Barnes, joins us.
By the way, he didn't get his Covington Kidd lawsuit thrown out this week.
That was the other fellow that filed lawsuits.
I've gotten a bunch of calls about that.
You haven't filed your suits yet because you've been strategically planning them.
We're both a couple months behind right now, but those suits are very, very close.
Our suits are very, very close.
dan friesen
I love this.
First of all, Robert Barnes is on again.
He's on all the fucking time.
But it's so fucking hilarious.
So the Covington kids, they had filed a lawsuit against...
unidentified
Washington Post.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's right.
And that case got thrown out.
And everybody was clowning on Robert Barnes because he presented himself like, I'm representing the Covington kids.
And everyone is like, ah, you got your case thrown out.
And I love that Alex's defense is like, that wasn't his case because his case doesn't exist.
jordan holmes
Wait, that...
So he was saying that he was representing the Covington kids?
dan friesen
I think he is on some level.
I don't fucking know.
I don't care about the particulars of Robert Barnes' scam lawsuits.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I just don't have the mental space for all of that.
I just think it's funny that Alex's defense is he couldn't have his case thrown out because there isn't one.
jordan holmes
He didn't even have it ready yet.
I told him.
He doesn't even realize how stupid he sounds there because he's saying like...
I told him to put together these lawsuits a while back, and they're still not ready.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Anyways, here's the guy who's supposed to be getting those lawsuits ready on my fucking show.
dan friesen
He's too busy being on my show all the fucking time.
unidentified
He's too busy trying to pivot careers into taking over for me.
jordan holmes
Writing lawsuits is hard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I just...
I can't say enough how...
Much that is like my kind of comedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, you guys think you're insulting him because his case got thrown out?
Little do you know, his case is imaginary.
unidentified
It's like, it could not be a worse rebuttal.
dan friesen
We've just been bluffing.
jordan holmes
I like it.
It's a refreshing bit of honesty.
dan friesen
Yeah, I suppose so.
So Alex, I believe, my firm conviction is that he left the coverage of the Democrat debate because he realized his skill set doesn't work well in the setting of the Democrat primary season this year.
jordan holmes
He can't yell over them and they'd be allowed to talk.
dan friesen
Well, it's not the same thing.
He doesn't have a lot of his...
He doesn't have a Hillary Clinton to yell at.
He could just do a Bernie voice for 45 minutes, but that's exhausting on his throat.
jordan holmes
And people would rightfully be like, hey, that's fucked up.
unidentified
Click.
dan friesen
Moving on.
I mean, the impression's good, but it's not 45 minutes good.
jordan holmes
Is it good?
dan friesen
He doesn't have anything really on a lot of these people other than superficial complaints.
He can do the same thing that Trump...
I was just thinking that's the only one where everybody on his staff is like...
Don't talk about Pete.
jordan holmes
You're going to use a homophobic slur.
It's going to come out of your mouth.
Just don't talk about him.
dan friesen
I think that that really limits his abilities.
I think his skill set has diminished considerably, especially during the Trump years.
And I don't think that he has what it takes to take in information about these new people and insult them correctly.
Or dismiss them correctly.
And I think that that's what happened.
But it turns out that that's not what happened.
I was wrong.
It turns out that Alex just can't handle looking at Democrats anymore.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's interesting.
alex jones
And the next few seconds we'll play some of the highlights of the insane debate last night and the ratings crashing.
I mean, I'll be honest.
I went home and watched the show.
I was just sitting here all night.
I couldn't look at them and watch them.
I can listen, but I can't look at Democrats.
So I went home and got on the computer and listened to our coverage.
It was great.
I literally couldn't sit here looking at him and calling the shots and go to this, go to that.
I had to get out of here.
I mean, I literally got depressed watching it.
And I'll be honest, I feel good watching Trump.
I feel good watching, you know, the other shows we do.
I feel good watching Tucker Carlson.
I feel good looking at DrudgeReport.com because, you know, these are good people.
I cannot stand watching or listening to these people.
dan friesen
I can only take in information through white nationalist-leaning channels.
I can only handle my own coverage, Trump, Tucker, and Drudge.
I have become so insulated that I need a safe space to take in information.
I can't handle the Wild West of a CNN fucking debate.
How sad is this?
And hiding behind, like, somehow it's visually the Democrats who look a certain way that makes me sick.
How pathetic is this?
jordan holmes
Look, he doesn't like the idea of looking at other human beings who disagree with him.
That is the fundamental underpinnings of a healthy democracy, Dan.
dan friesen
I do believe that that's in the anti-federalist papers.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
There we go.
So Barnes is full of shit, although he does agree with everything Alex says.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And in this next clip, we hear him expressing what is legitimately, you know, it's at least white nationalist adjacent, the ideas of demographic anxiety.
And then we get the treat of seeing how Alex responds.
robert barnes
As we have fewer children, as abortion is increasingly incentivized, as we basically have American populations in the West not reproducing at a rate that can replace our own population, then we become more and more dependent on foreign populations that they believe are more malleable.
alex jones
Which is in the 1960s Ford Foundation documents.
They said we will promote transhumanism.
Sexless Society.
That's what Brave New World 1932 is written about.
This has been a long-term plan.
Barnes, I love it when you get on every subject.
You always cover law or this or that.
You're a smart guy.
We need to get to your own show.
robert barnes
Oh, sure.
That'd be fun.
unidentified
That'd be fun!
dan friesen
I mean, Alex has already said he wants to give Barnes a show.
jordan holmes
Money bomb worked!
Boom!
dan friesen
He's already said he's giving Barnes a show, but like...
jordan holmes
I think Barnes goes home and sounds like fucking Mr. Burns.
unidentified
Everything is going according to plan.
dan friesen
He has like a war room with a map of Alex's studio that he's pushing pieces around.
Oh, first I'll get in with Owen Schroyer and I'll impress him and then Alex will give me a show.
jordan holmes
He's gotta have a bunch of fucking voodoo dolls of some sort.
dan friesen
It's pretty wild.
So Barnes' ideas that he's expressing are terrible.
I don't believe that these things that Alex is talking about are from the Ford Foundation.
I'm not entirely sure.
The transhumanism.
I think he's just referencing the idea that the Ford Foundation did give some grants to work that Julian Huxley was doing, who was into transhumanism early on.
I think that's all Alex is going on.
I looked around.
I can't find what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
And Orwell's famous book, 1932.
dan friesen
1975.
So, in this next clip, we get exactly what you were afraid of, and that is that Alex tries to comment on Mayor Pete.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no!
dan friesen
He plays a little clip of Pete having some commentary, and here's what Alex says.
pete buttigieg
We're not going to be able to meet this moment by recycling the same arguments, policies, and politicians that have dominated Washington for as long as I have been alive.
unidentified
We've got to summon the courage to walk away from the...
alex jones
I've got to do what he says, because he's gay.
dan friesen
Out to commercial.
Whoa, boy.
jordan holmes
Whoa, boy.
dan friesen
I don't know if I heard any other substantial commentary on Pete Buttigieg in this episode other than, I've got to do what he says because he's gay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck this, man.
jordan holmes
There had to be somebody with some fucking throwing knives or darts just throwing them right into his leg every time he's...
Now, Pete!
unidentified
Oh!
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
My leg!
Anyways, we're going to get back onto Biden.
Now, that Pete, he's got to...
Oh!
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex, he's still a little bent out of shape about Marianne Williamson's comments about Trump poisoning the water that he believes she made, but she didn't.
jordan holmes
Sure, right.
Easy to hate somebody for something that you think they said, even if they didn't.
dan friesen
It is easy.
And he does it.
So he plays her clip again.
And then at the tail end of it, he starts spiraling out about how bad the water is in L.A. And he tells...
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He lets us in on...
Some of his hygiene routines.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
alex jones
Why would anybody want to be this victim and say, I live in L.A. where it's toilet to tap, where they take the sewage, put it through all these expensive systems that the city bought, billions a year, folks, what's been on this in L.A., billions on the sewage, and then you drink toilet water filtered by the city, and then you wonder if everybody's got cancer.
I mean, I've tasted L.A. water.
And it literally makes me sick.
When I go to L.A., I am a neat freak.
I take three showers a day at least.
Okay?
I do not shower when I am in Los Angeles.
I take bottles of filtered water and I take whore baths, as they're called.
Okay?
I take a whore bath with washcloths and that because I get sick and I'm tough.
jordan holmes
So I guess I'm going to donate to your show then?
alex jones
I get sick when I take a shower in L.A. I mean, the place is a joke.
dan friesen
First of all, good thing you're almost never in L.A., then.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I think, well, you've gone once, maybe?
By his telling of it, I think he's been to L.A. once.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if he's been other times on clandestine covert missions.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
But I don't know if there's a larger definition of a horse bath, but from where I come from, that means just washing your dick.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought you added your armpits in there, too.
dan friesen
Oh, maybe.
robert barnes
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Also, it's a sex worker's bath.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
Yes, yes.
I apologize.
Yeah, that term, to me, is about your dick.
Or, I guess, your genitals.
jordan holmes
I'm uncomfortable with whatever his definition of it is.
dan friesen
Right.
Can you imagine another show that takes itself seriously being, like, in the middle of some sort of, like, the primary analysis being, like, water in L.A. is so bad, I take horse baths when I'm there.
jordan holmes
I was just like, wait, wait, we're still in the show, right?
This isn't, this has just become one giant inner monologue that's uninterrupted out loud.
dan friesen
It's remarkable that he thinks anybody should take this seriously.
Like, it's really crazy.
I think the only thing that's worth taking seriously is, like, His overt hatred of people unlike himself and his incitement towards violence.
The rest of this, his analysis of stuff, his historical understanding of things.
jordan holmes
Nonsensical.
dan friesen
It really just deserves to be written off.
It's insane.
So in this next clip, Alex talks about how the Dems are criminal election fraud people.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound right.
alex jones
All of them don't like the Democrats.
What they do is the Democrats are so corrupt, there's massive election fraud proven in inner city areas, whether it's poor white, black.
We know that these are institutionalized criminal groups that are in control, that people aren't actually supporting it.
The polls are all fake.
dan friesen
The polls are all fake, says the guy who cited fake polls that were completely rigged by trolls online earlier in this episode.
I do not trust his assessment of what is and it's not a real poll.
jordan holmes
I'm amazed at the power the conservative right wields just by getting to lying about voter fraud first.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Before the Democrats pointed out, like, oh, you guys have been doing all of this voter suppression shit for forever.
The reason that you won these elections is because you cheated.
You stole elections in Michigan.
The Electoral College should not have gone that way.
All of this is bullshit.
But the Republicans got there first by being like, three million illegal immigrants voted.
Boom, we win.
Call it.
We own this space now.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is nuts how easily they own spaces.
jordan holmes
It's targeted.
dan friesen
It's focused messaging.
And they got people like Count Dankler out there making those hot beans.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, you're not going to see a fucking critic of Mitch McConnell's voter suppression policy by ignoring the election security bills coming from the right and everybody taking it seriously.
But on the left, you can look at voter gerrymandering in whatever state and you'll have the fucking intercept going on.
Hog wild on whatever Democrat is around, you know?
And good on them for it, but that's why the Republicans, you know...
dan friesen
Yeah, there's more of a unity behind whatever is expedient.
Yeah.
So, this next clip gets us to something that I love.
Although this is confusing.
I love...
jordan holmes
Love is confusing.
dan friesen
We know that I love an Alex Jones story.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I love it.
Anytime he takes a vacation and comes back with a completely not true story.
jordan holmes
Especially as it mutates.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
This is the first time I've heard this particular story.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And this has to do with ostensibly a conversation about white people virtue signaling that they care about black people and other minorities.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I already don't believe it.
dan friesen
You shouldn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I also don't know what not to believe.
jordan holmes
Okay, now I'm interested.
dan friesen
Because this story, in a word, is confusing.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's convoluted.
All right.
And probably offensive.
alex jones
I had a lake house.
This was like eight, nine years ago.
And the neighbors were UT professors.
And they brought the gypsy king of the Roman people or whatever to the lake.
And they were so uncomfortable that we shared a dock.
They were like, we don't dislike gypsies.
I didn't know those people were gypsies.
They had brown skin, whatever.
I'm over here fishing with my son.
So she walks over to my five-year-old son, who has a birthmark.
Rex is like 16 now.
And she goes, what happened?
Who hit you?
Did he?
She's a liberal white woman.
And he goes, I've got a birthmark.
She goes, oh, sorry.
They all knew I was Alex Jones.
They were just flipping out.
And then soon, the gypsies are over at my house asking for something, and then they're digging in my yard for arrowheads, and it's like, they are the royal people.
You must let them.
And as soon as I just told him, he was kind of rude and said, F off, he left me alone.
But it was literally this thing like, here are the gypsies, you're racist, you beat your son, and it's just that he took mind control.
These people are nuts.
robert barnes
What they want is they want people in their local community.
alex jones
Well, these were professors who later on got ripped off by the gypsies.
But they're in this cult, like, I'm with the gypsies, oh God, they're so cool, gypsies are so wonderful.
robert barnes
Well, these are the people that when they drive through an inner city, lock their doors, or don't drive through the inner city at all.
dan friesen
I love that.
jordan holmes
Barnes is fucking killing it.
dan friesen
Well, in terms of like molding with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, because after that story, here's what a human being would go.
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
What is the point of that story?
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
That story makes no sense.
jordan holmes
None!
dan friesen
Who is the...
jordan holmes
Who are the...
Are you trying to talk about the Romany?
Because we don't say Gypsy anymore because also it doesn't mean anything.
dan friesen
Who is the Gypsy King?
jordan holmes
Who is the Gypsy King?
unidentified
Is it the band?
jordan holmes
Are you talking about the Hobo King?
Because that's a real person.
dan friesen
Digging in your yard looking for arrowheads?
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
Wait, you let them dig in your yard?
unidentified
What's the connection with this woman who accused you of hitting your son?
jordan holmes
Why are you still living at this lake house?
dan friesen
Why are you sure that they know who you are and are just accusing you of beating your kid?
What is happening?
jordan holmes
What is going on?
And instead Barnes is like...
Yeah, these are the type of people that lock their windows.
Moving on.
dan friesen
When they drive through the inner city.
jordan holmes
Yeah, give me one million points.
dan friesen
I would love to refer Robert Barnes to some clips where Alex talks about panhandlers as if they are trying to murder him when he goes to East Austin.
So Alex is exactly the sort of person who rolls up his window when he goes to the fucking inner city.
Stop trying to pretend you don't know who you're sitting next to, Barnes.
Alex's fucking story makes no sense.
Barnes is killing it, but what he says also makes no sense.
jordan holmes
No, none.
dan friesen
The two of them are doing nothing, but it's electric.
It's the same sort of vibe that we got on that old episode where Alex and Jerome Corsi were finishing each other's sentences.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That was very exciting.
dan friesen
Because Barnes is bringing that, like, absolutely, Alex is not only that, but he's doing improv work with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Barnes is Andy Daly level right now.
robert barnes
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
He is fucking killing it.
dan friesen
He's crushing it, and it leads them to just, like, They go down rabbit holes with each other.
It's very annoying.
But it means that Alex also doesn't get to any real substance of any of the topics he wants to cover.
And it leads him to be very frustrated.
robert barnes
They do not care about African Americans.
They do not care about improving the ordinary, everyday lives of African Americans.
alex jones
I agree.
Stay there.
I'm going to play this Lodge of Cummings clip coming up.
We have another guest coming on, but I've got so much to get to.
I'm going to play my 26-month-old daughter singing Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.
She was singing it this morning.
I got her to do it again.
I'm going to play that, too.
Third hour coming up.
dan friesen
That also sounds like parody.
Like, that is the craziest fucking thing.
jordan holmes
That can't be real.
dan friesen
Robert Barnes starts the clip talking about how white people don't really care about black people, and there's virtue signaling.
Alex is like, yeah, absolutely.
I agree with that.
I got a lot to cover, but my daughter sang Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.
I really can't handle that.
jordan holmes
I really can't handle that.
I really think that you're fucking with me there.
dan friesen
I'm not.
jordan holmes
That is crazy!
dan friesen
Yep, that's the real show.
Pretty nuts.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
I just...
Do you remember when Ted Koppel used to go on and deliver the nightly news to the world and then be like, hold on one second.
I got my little three-year-old son.
He's going to sing a little song real quick.
And then we're going to get right back to the hard news.
dan friesen
It's so insane just to imagine any of the behaviors that are manifested on this show existing anywhere else.
And the person doing it not feeling like, wow, I'm...
Terrible at this.
I'm trying to do a show that people should take seriously about political topics.
I'm presenting myself as the only one in the world who gets it.
About the centuries-old conspiracy to destroy the West or whatever.
And you do shit like this.
jordan holmes
It does bear repeating that the only reason that we have done over 300 episodes of our show...
Is because Alex is perhaps the most unique show thing that can be.
To be at that level of success is like a 1 in 10 billion chance.
dan friesen
That's the only thing that makes this interesting.
This exact show from somebody who just had a YouTube channel.
Some independently run show that's like this is a dime a dozen.
But somebody who is actually...
Yeah, it's...
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
It's incongruous.
It makes no sense.
jordan holmes
We're going to spend the rest of our lives trying to understand it.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
I'm all right with that.
So in this next clip, Alex...
This is sort of an encapsulation of a lot of Alex's conversation with Robert Barnes.
He's thrilled with Robert Barnes's prognosticating ability.
Because Barnes predicted that more people would Google Marianne Williams after the debate, which is like, oh, great, congratulations.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean the least known person there?
dan friesen
After the first debate, if your prediction is she's on the debate again, people are going to be curious about what she says.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Congratulations, sir.
jordan holmes
You're a psychic.
dan friesen
You're amazing.
jordan holmes
You've got a dark psychic force, that's for sure.
dan friesen
He also predicted, like, Bernie was going to get a bump in the polls.
Like, I think that most people probably could have predicted that.
But anyway, Alex thinks that he has the second sight in terms of politics and he brags about it.
alex jones
And come on the show tomorrow or something and really get with them and show.
jordan holmes
I predict I'll be on the show tomorrow.
alex jones
Forecast exactly what would happen in the last debate.
I mean, word for word.
And then you forecast it last night perfectly again.
You should really meet with the producers today and get it done today.
Or even sit down and shoot a report because that's impressive.
Like, you know, see the top.
Political gambler who even the New York Times admits you are.
Maybe you aren't because they say you are, but the point is they're such liars, but no, you are.
And show how you guys actually did this.
Watch the top political sports gambler predict the last two debates perfectly.
That's the headline.
That's pretty powerful.
unidentified
Barnes could not take him less seriously.
jordan holmes
You're a psychic.
You're doing great.
Yeah, and everything that you say is absolutely 100%.
dan friesen
It's like that guy on fucking Storage Wars.
Yep!
jordan holmes
He so does not give a shit.
dan friesen
It's worth pointing out that gambling on elections is illegal in the United States.
So what Alex is talking about is literally a crime.
He's talking about you're recognized as one of the greatest politics gamblers.
He had to go to Europe to bet on the 2016 election because it's illegal in the United States.
Oh, man.
I don't know.
It's one of those things that I kind of think that gambling on sports, I don't really think.
As long as you're not involved in the sport, it's generally, I think, it should be totally legal.
I don't understand exactly why those laws are in place.
Politics, different.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like that's different.
And also, it's different when you are somebody who is now...
I guess a host on a political show?
When you're a political partisan, I think, betting on politics, when you're involved in politics and you gamble on politics, I think that's so dirty.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, first of all, even if you're not involved in politics, it's illegal in the United States.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But even if it were legal, it'd be shady as hell.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
For him to be an employee of Infowars and then also gambling on elections?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're talking about the fucking stock market.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, how do you...
jordan holmes
It is both political gambling as well as gambling, and it's all fucked up.
dan friesen
How do you keep your content neutral if you're gambling for certain outcomes in politics?
jordan holmes
You don't.
dan friesen
You can't.
jordan holmes
You cheat.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't you?
dan friesen
Or you do everything in your power to persuade towards the outcome that pays you the highest dividend.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, whatever you're gambling on is probably what you're going to be advocating for.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, that's why people are against gambling in sports.
It's not because, you know, you'll make, you know, the person who makes five or ten bucks off of a game.
It's because when there's a shit ton of money involved, there's going to be a shit ton of people who are going to work real hard.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, hey, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
I just, I think it bears...
Like, really pointing this out.
Alex will not stop talking about Barnes being a political gambler and a psychic.
jordan holmes
It's really not good.
dan friesen
Right.
It's also not good when Barnes says things like he says in this next clip that indicate that maybe he doesn't know a whole lot about a lot of the issues that he covers.
unidentified
Yep.
robert barnes
We do have a history of blood libel, and it led to the biggest purge and attacks of anti-Semitism and racial hatred in the world.
alex jones
That's why they say, oh, this Jew did this 100 years ago.
robert barnes
Or 2,000 years ago.
alex jones
That's right, you killed Christ.
robert barnes
Exactly.
alex jones
Oh, that's the first reparations.
robert barnes
Exactly.
alex jones
Oh my God, you killed Christ, we're going to kill you 1,000 years later.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
That's not what the blood libel is.
These two dudes are having...
First of all, I could just take that clip of we have a history of the blood libel and be like, yes, absolutely.
Very accurate.
You and Alex Jones, that operation, InfoWars as an operation, has a deep history of the blood libel.
unidentified
Love it.
dan friesen
But he's trying to present, and he goes on, like the clip goes longer, they're very clearly talking about...
Blaming Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus is the blood libel.
And that's not what it is.
The blood libel is about accusations of Jews taking Christian children and using their blood to make matzo.
That is very...
It's a different thing.
And them not understanding that and not understanding the historical consequences of the subject that they're talking about and that they embody.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah.
Because if they said that, then they'd have to say, oh...
Man, that sure does sound a lot like when we say globalists take your children for adrenochrome.
Those sound really, really...
dan friesen
Suspiciously similar.
jordan holmes
Almost Mad Libsian similar.
dan friesen
Very, very similar.
unidentified
Weird.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Weird.
Almost strange that you would use the term blood libel, period.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why would you do that?
jordan holmes
It seems like Barnes, you shouldn't have just brought that up at all.
dan friesen
I feel like you might have heard somebody talking about it and was like, hey, I'm going to throw this in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
Anyway.
Good work, Barnes.
InfoWars as a whole, I would say, is a white identity operation.
Its primary function is to launder white identity ideas into the West, presenting it as the West and all that.
So it's interesting to hear Barnes say that white identity politics is just a response.
It's just a response to things.
jordan holmes
The people who say that, they've been responding since the beginning, haven't they?
robert barnes
White identity politics is a reaction to left-wing identity politics.
They simply reincorporate the same language.
So racists like Richard Spencer propagate basically leftist politics at the behest and behalf of the leftists by just incorporating their terms into a different racial phraseology.
jordan holmes
I pulled my back out trying to understand that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I mean, I guess it's positive that he says that Richard Spencer's a racist, but, I mean, outside of that, there's not much worthwhile in that clip.
But this is how people like Alex and the people in his world rationalize their dumb political positions.
Like, we are only doing this because you made us do this.
You got your leftist identity politics and, you know, that makes me become an identity politics for whites.
And it's pathetic.
Just own what you're doing.
Own what you're doing.
jordan holmes
If you guys, if you black people and women and whatever, all you people on the left, if you would have just stayed quiet and allowed the status quo to continue running over you, we wouldn't have to be all white supremacy all the time!
dan friesen
That's almost literally what he's getting at.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what he's getting at.
dan friesen
And I would like to make another little point.
I've never heard Pete Buttigieg say, you have to do what I say because I'm gay.
I've never heard him say that, but I've heard Alex say that as a way to delegitimize Pete's points or any of his positions.
Now, I think that that's Alex doing identity politics.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what you're saying.
dan friesen
He's minimizing Mayor Pete's points.
robert barnes
How?
dan friesen
Because he's saying, oh, I'm only supposed to listen to him because he's gay.
That's using his identity to demean and to delegitimize a point that he doesn't want to take seriously from someone he politically disagrees with.
jordan holmes
How dare you say...
dan friesen
That is identity politics.
jordan holmes
No, identity politics can only come from within and then from without.
They cannot be projected on somebody else as though you were creating a false idol of who that person is.
dan friesen
It's nuts.
All this is is identity politics.
And then decrying identity politics.
It's so pathetic.
I'd have more respect for the positions that they put forth if they were a little bit more willing to own them.
Then it'd be like, no, this is what I feel.
I care about my people.
I don't care about any of you dumbasses.
You should be able to vote.
This is our country.
I would hate that, and I would still be as opposed to it as I am to this.
But at least there would be a moral clarity on Alex's part instead of hiding behind these dumb ideas about, I only do this because of their identity politics.
I just like the West.
Like all that bullshit.
jordan holmes
Well, it's the way to trick the people who choose to live far less examined lives into believing that something they instinctively know is wrong is still right.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he is still trying to do a money bomb.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
jordan holmes
Giving him money is absolutely wrong.
Instinctively.
dan friesen
I guess the message is you can't run the operation in any marketably viable way if you're honest about what you're doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You will be relegated to the same dustbin that David Duke is in, that Stormfront is in.
You will be put in that same box if you speak.
Bluntly about what you believe.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the way that you wish the world to operate.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So you hide behind these terms in order to hide your reality so you can fit in and try and infiltrate the mainstream of discourse.
And it's pathetic.
jordan holmes
And effective.
Yes.
Wildly uncontrollably.
dan friesen
A lot of people are very stupidly effective.
Very tricked by it.
So, in this next clip, Alex yells about how he thinks for himself, and he's, you know, that's how he knows everything.
Like, Robert Barnes knows what's going to happen in these debates before they happen.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because we all just think for ourselves.
jordan holmes
That really doesn't sound right.
dan friesen
It's not.
alex jones
And you know in their lawsuits against me, they keep saying, who's the secret group?
What's the agency telling you what to do?
It's called not being a slave.
It's called doing our own thinking.
The more you do it, the better you get at it.
Never having anyone tell me what to do every day.
I've made a lot of mistakes.
You get better.
robert barnes
Absolutely.
It's being independent.
It's having an audience that allows this independence to thrive and survive by supporting InfoWars.
All they're going to do is go and find the product they like, find the idea they like, support it.
And they are the ones that are changing the world by allowing and authorizing us to have the fields of love.
alex jones
Don't explain this equation.
It's like the sun growing plants or water or soil.
Listeners, you're not just part of it.
You're the entire biosphere.
Man, that's very desperate.
dan friesen
It seems very desperate.
jordan holmes
Barnes is really, really killing the worm tongue roll.
He is supplicating in such a way as to manipulate Alex into thinking he's in control, while the entire time being at Barnes' beck and call.
dan friesen
A thousand percent.
jordan holmes
It is real sad.
dan friesen
But one of the things that he's also doing, and we noted this on another episode, is he's so much better at that smooth transition to an ad.
He's solving one of the most glaring problems in Alex's show, which is the...
Really forced transition into salesmanship.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Barnes is making that shit, like...
It's not seamless.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But he's making it much closer to, like, you can trick people.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Barnes is Better Call Saul-ing.
Like, he is crushing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That, like, ambulance chaser salesmanship of, like...
dan friesen
Sleazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hey, I'll get...
Yeah, no, man, it's so good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's kind of scary.
jordan holmes
It's terrifying!
dan friesen
It's that same kind of thought that people had with Trump.
It's like, imagine a more competent person who believes and acts the same way.
Barnes almost seems to be a manifestation of a slightly better operating Alex.
jordan holmes
Right, which is why he'll never be as successful.
dan friesen
Without Alex there to bounce off of, his show would be boring as shit.
jordan holmes
In the same way that a smarter Trump would never get elected because he would never want to be elected.
dan friesen
Conceivably.
jordan holmes
That would be an insane thing to do.
dan friesen
The thing that makes Alex's show listenable or watchable to anybody is the part that makes him a fuck-up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Same thing with Trump getting elected.
dan friesen
So, in his next clip, Barnes seems to suggest that Infowars is legitimately the only free press.
In the world.
jordan holmes
Really?
robert barnes
The American Democratic experiment can only work with an independent free press, and the only truly independent free press in the world is Infowars.
And that's why they see it as such a threat.
jordan holmes
Big swing, Barnes.
Too big.
Too big.
Transparent.
dan friesen
Infowars didn't start until, like, the 90s.
So conceivably before that, American democracy was impossible.
jordan holmes
There has never, ever been a free press.
dan friesen
Until 1995 or so when Alex got on air.
InfoWars didn't start immediately.
I think that that's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
dan friesen
InfoWars is the only free press in the world, and free press is necessary for American democracy.
Ergo, InfoWars, if it goes, so goes democracy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Too big a swing.
Too big a swing, Barnes.
You gotta reel it back just a little bit.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
So earlier in the episode...
Alex mentioned that some of this money that he's trying to raise, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's for covert operations.
Now, we still don't really know what those covert operations are.
Even in this next clip, we're not going to find out.
jordan holmes
Destroying Scientology records in the FBI?
dan friesen
I think it's legal fees.
jordan holmes
Still.
dan friesen
I still think that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But in this next clip, Alex discusses these covert ops a little more.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
We're trying to hit a million dollars gross to bring in about $300,000 extra than we would normally bring in during a week so that I can launch some covert operations that are all legal and lawful that are, let's just say, shouldn't say too much, should I?
Let's just say White House approved.
But this is all organic.
This is all completely of the people.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I think it's legal and lawful, and I'm sure the White House would be fine with you paying your lawyers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of that could be true of legal fees.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't know what the fuck kind of bullshit he's trying to pitch here, but whatever.
jordan holmes
White House approved.
dan friesen
So earlier in the episode, I mentioned that I got the real sense that, you know, he's, like, when he played that, or when he discussed, like, waking up and seeing 700,000, and it turns out it's really three.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was like, this is, he's not feeling good.
And when we get towards the end of the episode, he breaks it down.
And it's worse than even I thought.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
alex jones
What we're asking is to win the war of information.
Reach out to people and say, hey, you've heard of Alex Jones.
You've heard of Robert Barnes.
You've probably heard about a lot of stuff.
Why don't you tune in and see it for yourself?
dan friesen
First of all, no one's heard of Robert Barnes.
No one outside of your community that already knows who you are and already listens to you.
jordan holmes
Lawrence is an international celebrity.
unidentified
No one.
jordan holmes
The greatest political gambler.
dan friesen
I guarantee if we put a poll up on the Drudge Report, no one knows who Drudge is.
Maybe a couple people there.
alex jones
What they don't want you to see, so we're doing live coverage tonight because that's how we get new people in.
And we found when we get new people, they stay.
That's why the system is so scared.
dan friesen
So, what he's saying there really quick, before we get to the rest of this clip, is that you need to spread the word about our shit, because that's how we get new people in.
We find that when we get new people in, they stay.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's not true.
The second part is not true.
When they get new people in, they stay for a little while, and then they leave.
Which is why he's in such a desperate need for new people.
Which is why the ad pitch that he's doing here starts with...
We need you to get the word out.
Which is why that's almost as important to him as selling his product.
You need to advertise for me.
Because without that, I don't have...
jordan holmes
I can't afford to advertise.
dan friesen
I don't have new people coming in who I can trick with how interesting I am for a little while before they get the sense of, like, this is impotent bullshit.
This is going nowhere.
He's making up most of this stuff, probably.
I would rather listen to something else.
And then move along.
He knows that.
And that's why...
You know, you being my advertising network is super important.
alex jones
It doesn't want us going into 2020, but the good news is we're here, we're together, we're strong.
I'll just let the enemy know what's really going on.
If I sell out all the product I have, we can run for a year.
And I'm going to make the decision the next month what I'm going to do.
But if we don't reorder, we will shut down then.
So I can fund us for a year with the product we have.
The problem is, if I don't reorder, then in a year or less, we won't have the product to keep going and we'll shut down.
Which, maybe that's our mission, and everybody here will get a new job and everything else.
But, I mean, we are to that point.
And I'm maxed out, and I've been begging for help, and you've kept us there.
But it's always, God just gives us, like the widow's mind, exactly what we need.
Folks, I need to make decisions.
I need extra capital to do these projects.
And I'm not complaining.
Thank you.
You're amazing.
I'm just saying, who has paid off like this?
What system in your life have you bought products at Walmart or Target or wherever and had them politically save your future?
Just go to InfoWarsTore.com, make a straight donation, or buy the products.
We need to see a surge to know that we can launch these operations, because I've got operations ready that are going to devastate the globalists.
dan friesen
I know that we've heard a number of times him talk about the impending doom of Infowars, and so I don't know how seriously to take any of that.
But it doesn't sound like he's embellishing.
There's a resignedness to it, and we've heard him in the last couple months or so.
There has been a ramping up and a more frequent thing of, like, I just wish I was in the woods.
There is a sense that he might be feeling...
An imminent end to him being able to do this.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I've worked for, I think, four independent businesses while they were in the middle of going out of business.
And that sounds very familiar.
dan friesen
To, like, meetings.
jordan holmes
That sounds very familiar.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't, like I said, I've learned my lesson in the past with taking anything he says too seriously.
Right.
Even if it's what you want to believe is true, even if it sounds sincere, it could be that just being another marketing tactic he's using.
Trying to use the idea of their imminent demise to really juice up the troops and get them to give him the money that he needs.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But I would say that if he is being sincere in any way, this is an indication that he has overextended himself.
He should not be launching operations.
He should not be trying to pay Caitlyn Bennett to go do whatever.
He shouldn't be paying all of these reporters that do dogshit work, and he should just focus.
Like, his mission, what he wants to do, he could do for so cheap.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
There is no reason why he can't fight the globalists exactly the same way he's doing, get the same information out, probably better.
For cheaper.
jordan holmes
Almost impossibly better.
dan friesen
He is overextended because he doesn't care about that.
That's not the mission.
jordan holmes
I think it's part of his delusion.
dan friesen
That is a big part.
jordan holmes
It has to because the legitimacy of his operation is only ever going to be compared to...
CNN.
Or Fox News.
So it has to be as big a studio as they have.
Otherwise, he'll look at that studio that he goes into work every day, look at how small it is, and think, what am I doing this for?
I'm never going to be any good at this.
dan friesen
I'm so glad I disabused myself of any notions like that pretty early on in podcasting.
Like, when I was first starting, I just had a four-track, and it was terrible.
The sound was awful.
And I'd see the pictures of professional recording studios and I'd be like, that's what I need.
If I could get to the point where I have that, everything will be great.
And so I spent a ton of money and I got microphone arms to hold the mics on.
Everything looked really professional.
And then as I did it, I was like, this isn't satisfying in any way.
The arms were weird.
They were not cheap.
These arms were weird and you have to sort of talk into the mic.
It wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
I realized the experience of holding a mic and just recording.
That's all you need.
jordan holmes
I can't remember which show that we guested on, but that had the arm mics the whole time.
I was moving back.
I can't do that.
I jiggle.
I move around all the time.
I can't do that.
dan friesen
And we're used to doing stand-up, so holding a mic isn't any kind of weird experience.
But I don't have any conception in my mind of if this grows...
To the point where we're making Alex Jones money, that somehow I would need to have a TV wall behind me.
jordan holmes
No, no, yeah.
We'd record it exactly right here, but maybe we'd both have insurance.
dan friesen
It's nuts to me, because we can do the show that we're doing.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
No amount of money would make the content better.
Alex seems to believe that he can't do what he does without...
Millions of dollars.
And that is his vanity.
That is his greed.
And that is deceitful to his audience.
If they really love an anti-globalist message and they really love his analysis of the world and all that shit, I would assume they would be just as happy with an Alex Jones podcast that he records out of his garage.
Why not?
He owns a house.
Podcasting equipment that he could get for $1,000 would be better than 90% of podcasts that are out there.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There's no reason why he couldn't do that.
Oh, wait.
He's kicked off iTunes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I guess he can't do that.
jordan holmes
Well, a few years ago he could have done that.
Yeah.
But he was happier doing his show a few years ago.
dan friesen
He was making millions of dollars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
See, that's that thing.
While I was working at Zany's, Dwayne Kennedy and I were talking about...
How our dreams are so modest.
If you got a million dollars and you didn't have to worry about work, what would you do?
I'd probably do stand-up for 100 people a night and not really worry about it.
That's it.
That's my goal.
That's my dream job.
And I would just use all that money to finance that.
I have no interest in a big house or blah-da-da.
I want to live the most creatively satisfying way I can for no money.
dan friesen
Alex is a greedy sack of goo.
He is the worst.
And I think the thing that's the most dishonest and most awful about it is the way that he uses what I'd describe as understandable emotions in his audience in order to fuel his own greed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
deprived of something in their own life or whether it's real or not, you know, whether those feelings stem from actual, um, problems or from perceived ones that the, the media will, uh, work up in people's minds.
Um, I believe that, you know, he's, he's taking those things, giving them an enemy and saying he's fighting it for them.
Right.
unidentified
In the direct, Way that you can get involved in that fight is either promote for me or give me money.
dan friesen
It's deeply abusive.
jordan holmes
I really don't appreciate it.
He's taking the problems that people have and exploiting them to give them a different perceived problem.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
If all the money that everybody in InfoWars, that everybody who listened gave to InfoWars kept in their hands, and they used it to figure out what actually was the issue that is leading them to InfoWars, we might have far more well-adjusted people.
Because he's taking that, you know, maybe your problem is...
dan friesen
He's misdirecting that energy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
For his own profit.
jordan holmes
You can't afford your medical bills.
That's because of the globalists.
dan friesen
They run the medical system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The globalists, they're all over the HMOs and they're all trying to...
jordan holmes
Why try and fix the medical system?
I've got to fix the globalists first.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, you know, fixing the globalists by funding Alex's torpedo of truth in the info war against the globalists will fix that health system.
unidentified
Well, then there we go.
jordan holmes
I guess I'll sit here, give you my money, and wait patiently for the results to come back.
dan friesen
Right.
He stymies people's motivation towards solving their problems because doing so makes him money.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's shitty.
And that's all this fucking money bomb is.
jordan holmes
It's a real shitty thing to do to somebody.
dan friesen
Yep.
It's profitable.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
So here's the last clip.
Well, not that much.
jordan holmes
Not that profitable, according to his own numbers right now.
unidentified
It was.
dan friesen
It was when he had a steady inflow of people.
That inflow of people is really what screwed him over.
That disruption of the cycle is completely devastating to his business.
What we're seeing is the ramifications of that.
Well, you made your bed.
Speaking of people who make their bed, Alex's daughter.
We're not going to play her singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.
jordan holmes
Thank God.
I thank God so much.
dan friesen
No.
I believe that she deserves her privacy.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
And I don't want to turn this into a thing where we turn into the judges on American Idol and critique a child singing.
jordan holmes
No interest in that.
dan friesen
That seems like a bad use of our time.
But I do want to point out how Alex uses the...
And I was sitting there this morning at about 7 a.m. as my daughters woke up and came in.
alex jones
I was cooking them breakfast.
And I just looked at them and I thought, you know, that's good right there.
Innocence, the whole future.
Strength, the purity that God's given us.
The seed of the universe.
And I thought about the globalists.
Now they target children and young people to rob their future.
To abuse them, the terrible things they're doing.
I thought, you know, I never include my children on air.
My son wanted to be on air.
He's been on air since he was 10 years old.
dan friesen
So, you know, before we get to the point where a daughter comes in singing, you may notice that what he's doing is he's using this image of his daughter singing Twinkle Little Star as an image of innocence to juxtapose with the globalists who want to destroy the futures of the children, destroy their innocence.
jordan holmes
Blood libel.
Whatever.
dan friesen
This has probably become an old hat at this point, but I'd like to read to you from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Protocol number nine.
Quote, we have fooled, bemused, and corrupted the youth of the Goyim by rearing them in principles and theories which are known to us to be false, although it is that they have been inculcated.
Or how about this from protocol number 16?
Quote, we must introduce into their education all of those principles which have so brilliantly broken up their order.
But when we are in power, we shall remove every kind of disturbing subject from the course of education and shall make out of the youth obedient children of authority.
Loving him who rules is the support and hope of peace and quiet.
They have corrupted the children!
jordan holmes
Ah, those goyim!
Too easy.
dan friesen
These ideas of corrupting the innocence of the children as an attack geared at setting up a one-world government are very central to Alex's worldview, and they trace back directly to the protocols of the elders of Zion.
This is bullshit.
Alex's representation of the globalists is all, or mostly at least, taken directly from archaic...
anti-Semitic ideas about these Jews who are trying to take over the world.
When you look at these sorts of things, you see all of these people in his sphere also that are people who have been blunt about it.
You know, people like the David J. Smith of the world.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
The people who have...
Red Beckman.
The people that he looks at as anti-New World Order icons.
Yeah.
unidentified
These people all were very clear that they think it's Jews who run the world.
dan friesen
So when you have Alex doing all this shit, all these narratives that are so central to his ideas about the globalists are just mirroring the protocols.
It's just lame.
Just fucking lame.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, he sounds so much happier when he's talking about making breakfast for his kids.
He should just quit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God, Alex.
dan friesen
Don't order another shipment, Alex.
unidentified
Just quit.
jordan holmes
Just quit.
Give it to Barnes.
Retire to your fucking forest!
You'll be so happy!
dan friesen
Barnes doesn't want it if Alex isn't on the hook for, like...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Barnes doesn't want to take over.
dan friesen
The sinking ship?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Look, he's better at the ad pivots, but he can't save this.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
This is, like, Infowars is in...
jordan holmes
It dies with him.
dan friesen
Yeah, Infowars is in the shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And even if Alex did, like, have Barnes come in, like, have a hostile takeover, there's no way he could step aside.
jordan holmes
No.
It's got to all die.
dan friesen
It has to go away and then Alex can be free of this monstrosity that he's created.
jordan holmes
Sell it as a franchise.
Then you got Barnes Wars.
You got Owens Wars.
You got Roger Wars.
Toss it all in there.
dan friesen
I can't imagine the hangover a lot of these people are going to have if InfoWars goes away.
jordan holmes
I imagine they all have to run to Brazil, maybe, and then get taken up to The Hague eventually.
They're going to boys from Brazil.
That's all I got.
dan friesen
I mean, it's an interesting image to have in your head, certainly.
And, you know, if the world does go the worst possible direction...
I think there is an argument to be made for whenever everything clears up, them having some responsibility in things going bad.
But I think more realistically, if they go out of business, because you can't afford to pay for this shit, if that does happen, you've got to imagine, what's Owen Troyer going to do?
He's unemployable.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Pipefitters Union?
dan friesen
Nah, he'll just go work for One America News Network or something.
He'll get a job at Breitbart.
jordan holmes
Nah, he's probably got somebody, family business, go become a plumber.
dan friesen
Go back to St. Louis?
jordan holmes
It's an entirely honorable thing for, I think he would be happier if he was just a goddamn plumber.
dan friesen
I think all of these people would be happier if they weren't career liars.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is the end of this present day episode.
You know, I think his debate analysis is thin.
unidentified
Is that what we were talking about?
It was a part of it.
dan friesen
So we learned that Alex thinks he needs to listen to Pete.
Because he's gay.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that Marianne Williamson thinks Trump is poisoning Detroit.
jordan holmes
Right.
And his take on Bernie and Warren absolutely kicking ass.
dan friesen
I'm not positive that he brought up Elizabeth Warren.
jordan holmes
It kind of sounds like he wouldn't do that.
She is not the person you want to bring up after that debate.
dan friesen
I can't guarantee it, but I don't think I even heard him do this Bernie impression on this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He might have at one point, but it wasn't memorable.
I don't remember it happening.
Yeah, I think he steered clear in favor of more sensational topics.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
And he's trying to reinforce the idea of this drudge poll that Marianne Williamson is the leader in the clubhouse.
And so why would he talk about the other people?
jordan holmes
Well, that's also why CNN and Fox News, or not Fox News, that's why they have 20 candidates on these debates.
If you have, you know, the candidates with ideas like Warren and Sanders actually having a debate with each other, it's going to be riveting two people slightly disagreeing with each other on line-item policies respectfully.
Whereas if you have Warren and Sanders trying to do good and then eight moderate candidates...
Throwing bullshit bombs at them while the CNN moderators themselves are like, your ideas are stupid and fanciful.
Do you agree?
dan friesen
What's your comment?
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, what are we doing here?
The entire thing is designed to make Warren and Sanders look ridiculous.
dan friesen
And they kicked ass.
Yeah, it didn't work.
I guess, like, I mean, I'm not super interested in Alex's coverage of the second night, but I am much like Robert Barnes.
I am psychic.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And I'm going to guess that Alex made a lot of hay out of Joe misspeaking, Joe Biden misspeaking.
And quite frankly, I would rather, on Twitter, just watch people who I agree with philosophically make fun of Joe for that.
I don't need to hear Alex do it.
jordan holmes
I don't need bad faith.
dan friesen
If I'm going to look for Joe Biden criticism, I'm going to go with people I agree with.
I don't need to go to Alex for that, which is just another indication of how useless he is.
Anyway, we'll be back on Monday with another episode, but this show is stupid in the present day.
Alex, I feel like I need to repeat that whenever we do a present day episode.
This show sucks.
jordan holmes
You haven't missed it.
dan friesen
This show sucks.
jordan holmes
You have always gotten right on time.
dan friesen
But it is important to remember that Alex could kill someone with a hammer, ten people with a hammer, in two minutes.
jordan holmes
For sure.
unidentified
That's...
dan friesen
I think that's doable.
jordan holmes
Ten people with a hammer in two minutes?
I really think it's a lot harder to kill somebody with a hammer than you think.
dan friesen
Does the person have to die within those two minutes, or can you just inflict the damage that kills them?
jordan holmes
I mean, it doesn't count if you die like two days later from complications.
dan friesen
I think it counts.
jordan holmes
I don't, it does not count.
dan friesen
I think you get partial credit.
jordan holmes
Partial credit?
Okay, then I'll give them six and a half people in two minutes.
dan friesen
Here's the issue.
What kind of hammer are we talking?
jordan holmes
Ooh, gotta be ball peen.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Gotta be ball peen.
dan friesen
Then you can't do it.
jordan holmes
No, the ball peen is the, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
dan friesen
I think if you use a ball pen hammer, then you are going to be, that's easily deflected.
I think if you get a sledgehammer, very doable.
unidentified
Sledgehammer?
jordan holmes
Man, it's 30 seconds to swing a sledgehammer.
dan friesen
Clawhammer.
Then you could use the other side of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's still harder to kill somebody.
dan friesen
A lot of questions will remain.
Don't think we're going to get to the bottom of this.
jordan holmes
Where's the Discovery Channel's...
Hammer kill week.
dan friesen
I think this is the best takeaway from this episode.
Is that Alex maybe could kill ten people with a hammer in two minutes.
He's obsessed with that.
Anyway, we'll be back, but we have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
We're also on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed George.
dan friesen
You can find us on Facebook.
jordan holmes
You can.
You could go to iTunes.
You could download the podcast.
You could leave a review.
If you wanted to, you could find your nearest abyss.
Stare directly into it.
Once you realize that it is staring back at you, you will receive a small comment card, fill out your reaction to our podcast and how you feel about The Abyss, and then we will send you a free download every time.
dan friesen
You bet.
So, until next time, I would say that the imaginary people digging up arrowheads in Alex's lake house yard probably haven't killed anybody.
jordan holmes
The Romany King has.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's a real person.
So I'm going to say no, probably not.
But one guy who technically probably has, maybe with a hammer, is Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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