Today, Dan and Jordan continue their investigation of the Alex Jones Show back in 2013. In this installment, Alex returns from vacation and hits the ground running with stories of causing a "police revolt" at SXSW, grotesque fantasies of beating up Kim Jong Un, and much more.
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan, everybody is clamoring for Plant Watch 2019. | ||
| How we doing? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| We got some flowers popping up on some of these serrano and Thai chili plants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not particularly that one you're staring at there, but this one's got some flowers on it. | ||
| I have some on my kitchen windowsill. | ||
| Oh yeah, I see some there. | ||
| Those have some flowers, but no fruits as of yet. | ||
| No, but everything's coming along nicely. | ||
| No fruits? | ||
| There's no real updates to make. | ||
| I think you're asking me about the plants a little too often. | ||
| A little too often? | ||
| When was the last time I asked you about the plants on the show? | ||
| It was in this apartment. | ||
| It was? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Yes, it was. | ||
| So that's at least two weeks. | ||
| Twice in a week and a half might be excessive. | ||
| I don't know how fast plants grow, Dan. | ||
| Jordan, I love my plants. | ||
| I feel so stupid. | ||
| I love my plants as much as the next guy. | ||
| But unless the next guy is you. | ||
| You apparently are more into them than me. | ||
| I want to know! | ||
| I'm getting excited to actually probably... | ||
| I don't know when I'm going to have the time. | ||
| Because we're in a little bit of a crunch time right now with the show and stuff. | ||
| But as soon as I have a little bit of extra free time, I'm going to head back down to that Home Depot. | ||
| I'm going to get a bunch more seeds, but probably non-vegetable plants. | ||
| I think I'm going to try and grow a tree. | ||
| You're going to try and grow a tree? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A little bonsai tree? | ||
| Is that what you're going to go for? | ||
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Nah. | |
| Oak. | ||
| I'm going to grow oak indoors. | ||
| Full on oak. | ||
| I'm just going to buy a little seed there. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, since these are going pretty well, I'm thinking about expanding out what is possible. | ||
| I know I've talked about growing some wild grasses. | ||
| That might not be possible in a one-bedroom apartment. | ||
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That might be tough to try and create a little amaranth. | |
| Yeah, that might be tough. | ||
| But I am going to explore some new things. | ||
| I'm excited about that. | ||
| So that's what 2020 will bring for plants. | ||
| I suppose I'm just interested to know when they're done. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| They're never done. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Yeah, when do you pluck a pepper from your plate? | ||
| Well, when it's ripe. | ||
| Well, what does that mean? | ||
| You can tell. | ||
| There's signs. | ||
| Fair, fine. | ||
| Because they change color. | ||
| Oh, they do change color. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of the time they'll come in as like, these Thai ones will be green and then they'll turn red. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Now I'm understanding. | ||
| Yeah, it's not always that way, but you just read a little bit. | ||
| Well, I'm not the one growing the plants. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I know enough about plants to get by, certainly more than you, and I know a lot about Alex Jones, and that's what this podcast is about. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, Jordan, today what we're going to be doing is we're going back to 2013 to cover March 11th and 12th of 2013. | ||
| Sounds good. | ||
| And part of the reason for that is that we record on Sundays, usually earlier in the day to noon-ish. | ||
| And so right now, the situation that we have in front of us is it was a terrible weekend. | ||
| A lot of bad stuff happening in the world, be it the El Paso shooting or the shooting in Dayton. | ||
| And I know a lot of people want to know what Alex's take on it is. | ||
| And so for our Monday episode, there might be an expectation that people have of like, oh, they're going to cover this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like we're going to react instantly to... | ||
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Right. | |
| And I do not feel the need or think it's wise for us necessarily to knee-jerk and assume what Alex's narrative is going to be, although it will be that the globalists are behind us. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| As we're recording this here on Sunday, in the middle of the day, Alex hasn't done his Sunday show yet. | ||
| So there isn't really, because of our schedule, there's not really a lot of content for us to cover. | ||
| So it would be kind of premature for us to try and do that for Monday. | ||
| It would be almost impossible for us to do that. | ||
| So we will cover that on Wednesday. | ||
| We'll cover present day stuff on Wednesday. | ||
| So that will be then. | ||
| Yeah, look forward to that. | ||
| Alex did put out a 16-minute video on his website on Saturday. | ||
| Defending state-sponsored. | ||
| It's waffly. | ||
| It's very much like, allegedly this guy did this. | ||
| And then he gets really defensive about using allegedly. | ||
| He's like, it hasn't been to court. | ||
| We are supposed to say allegedly. | ||
| It sounds different coming from you. | ||
| You asshole. | ||
| And fair point to him. | ||
| You are the alleged shooter. | ||
| That's proper language for journalists. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Which he is not. | ||
| It does sound different coming from him. | ||
| I listened to that and I didn't think there was really enough to give anything Yeah, yeah, in Dayton. | ||
| So he didn't even have that to weave into whatever he's going to bring to the table. | ||
| I just think we can do a much better job if we do that Wednesday. | ||
| So I apologize if anybody was hoping that we would do it today. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| It happens. | ||
| Wait two days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're not a news show. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| We can't be held to that kind of time demand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Otherwise, we just do a shitty show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, before we get into today's episode, again, 2013, March 11th and 12th, we need to take a little moment here, Jordan, to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
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| So last we left off in 2013, Jordan, Alex was on a large vacation. | ||
| He had been gone for over a week, and so we took the opportunity to delve into David J. Smith, a Christian identity preacher that Alex has been listening to for years. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And so now we jump back to when Alex gets back from vacation. | ||
| March 11th, he's in studio, and he is rusty. | ||
| I thought he would be coming back with some hot fire. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I think he's excited. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's eager for the fray, but he is not good at this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let me just try to do this. | ||
| You know, I've tried this a million times, failed every time. | ||
| Let's be serious. | ||
| I've tried a thousand plus times and failed every time. | ||
| I'm going to try to just read to you headlines. | ||
| Maybe just 50 of them or so. | ||
| Instead of the 300 plus I've got here. | ||
| Because I've been really psychoanalyzing myself. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| At night, in the morning, when I get to work, I'll just pour over hundreds of articles and almost get into a... | ||
| Fractured mindset. | ||
| Where I've got so many things in my mind, it's hard to focus in on one big subject and really cover that topic in detail. | ||
| And that's a good thing at certain levels because it shows how things are interconnected, but then when you don't get to even 10% of what you want to cover, it's a real frustration. | ||
| You know why he had a pause there? | ||
| Because he was about to say it's a beautiful mind kind of thing. | ||
| And he didn't want to imply what that implies. | ||
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| What he's describing is like he sits around and reads headlines and makes tenuous connections between things. | ||
| And then when he gets on air, he knows like, oh, this is going to sound stupid. | ||
| At best, that's what he's saying. | ||
| You shouldn't admit that you're pouring over headlines and not anything else. | ||
| Shouldn't you be like, I read a bunch of articles. | ||
| I think he uses headlines hoping that it's a stand-in for content, but it's not. | ||
| So this characterizes the beginning of the show. | ||
| He's like, I'm all over the place. | ||
| What do I cover? | ||
| I am out of my mind! | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| We get to what his headline leading story is. | ||
| And it's actually really interesting because there's... | ||
| A really good story he could tell here, but he tells the wrong story. | ||
| Okay, it's great to be officially back. | ||
| I mean, I was back yesterday for the Sunday show, but here we are on the big weekday show. | ||
| Let me just try to go over the stacks. | ||
| How's that sound? | ||
| Let me just start, because I'm trying to figure out what the top story is to me. | ||
| I don't just go with whatever the national news top story is. | ||
| Take that, national news. | ||
| I go with what I believe the top story is. | ||
| Of course, you can tell what you think is most important. | ||
| A lot of times callers call in or we get emails or see comments saying, hey, why didn't you cover this? | ||
| And that becomes our top story because I agree with you. | ||
| I think it's important. | ||
| The DOT is on the road. | ||
| Homeless Houston veterans cited for dumpster diving in search for food. | ||
| That's News 92 FM. | ||
| They have a copy of the ticket. | ||
| And they've banned feeding the homeless in Houston, so they just say, what do they do, die? | ||
| And what a sign of an amazing tyranny. | ||
| Such an amazing tyranny. | ||
| You can really tell that Alex is kind of rusty here because he's back from vacation and, you know, his mind is still in Barton Springs or wherever he went. | ||
| He's spinning his wheels, knowing that he has a big pile of paper in front of him, but he doesn't have any narratives that have any momentum carrying over from the previous day. | ||
| Like, generally speaking, when his show has, like, you have these narratives that you built yesterday that you build upon or you pivot from. | ||
| You know, that's sort of the routine in his show, but when you come from a clean break, you know, that week-plus break has hit the skids for any narratives that he was spinning before. | ||
| His big, gigantic investigative report that he was teasing hasn't materialized, and he's just completely forgotten about it. | ||
| Not a surprise. | ||
| The PR blitz from fighting Piers Morgan and having Michael Savage on the show has died down because of that week-plus he was gone. | ||
| He's gotta get going from a complete standstill, and this is how that looks. | ||
| I'll say that he makes a fair point that he doesn't just take his news as talking points from the mainstream media. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| Though it's laughable for him to say that he just covers what he thinks is important. | ||
| Multiple times we've heard him literally say on the show that he's just reading headlines from Drudge. | ||
| He gets his talking points from Drudge. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| In an instance that is all too rare, I find myself superficially agreeing almost completely with Alex. | ||
| It's ridiculous that this homeless man in Houston got a ticket for scavenging for food in a trash can. | ||
| That is terrible. | ||
| However, when we start to examine what we think is bad about the situation... | ||
| That's when we disagree with Alex. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| His take on it is that this is government tyranny on display. | ||
| My take on it is that when humans are eating out of trash cans, we have a problem whether they get a ticket for it or not. | ||
| Alex doesn't have any solutions outside of just saying that churches and charities should voluntarily solve the problem as if those groups aren't already making large contributions to housing and feeding those experiencing homelessness. | ||
| He refuses to accept that there's a better solution because the actual solution is completely against his political beliefs and Houston is actually a perfect example of that. | ||
| In 2011, Houston reached its peak in terms of the homeless population at 8,538, and punitive rules about sleeping in public and scavenging for food were not having the desired effect. | ||
| What? | ||
| Ultimately, those rules just criminalize being homeless, so you end up incarcerating homeless people, which costs the taxpayers more, or giving them tickets they can't pay, which can ultimately lead to their incarceration, or driving them off to some other city where they can become someone else's problem. | ||
| None of the possible outcomes of that strategy offers an actual solution. | ||
| And Houston learned that lesson. | ||
| In 2010, the Department of Housing and Urban Development had chosen Houston as a priority city, based on its high rate of people living without homes. | ||
| They took the time to analyze the issues, set up some infrastructure, then in 2011 they began implementing, and their plans have paid off massively. | ||
| In 2019, the rate of homelessness has dropped in Houston by 54%, and a lot of that is directly attributable to federal assistance, and most importantly, a coordinated approach. | ||
| Since 2012, Houston has housed approximately 17,000 people. | ||
| Mike Nichols, interim CEO of the Coalition of the Homeless in Houston and Harris County, told the Texas Tribune, quote, if you have a homeless person and you put them in a permanent supportive housing and simultaneously give them social, behavioral, and health support services, 92% of them will be stable in that facility. | ||
| Houston represents a model people interested in homelessness and housing issues could learn a lot from, and many of them have. | ||
| But learning anything from it requires you to let go of your insistence that the federal government shouldn't do anything. | ||
| If you're supposedly anti-homelessness and anti-government doing anything, and you learn that federal coordination and aid has been shown to be incredibly effective in addressing the problem of homelessness, you have to either drop your anti-government position or accept that you really don't have that big of a problem not having anywhere to live. | ||
| I suspect this is the case for Alex. | ||
| This isn't a story he's covering because he cares about this man in Houston. | ||
| He just sees it as an opportunity to use this man's misfortune to attack the government, which I think is very shitty. | ||
| Also, the charges were dropped against the man in Houston, and his case actually led to a larger conversation in Houston, where Mayor Anise Parker helped usher through repeals of laws that criminalized behaviors like digging in the trash that were kind of archaic holdovers to begin with. | ||
| So what you have here is a really interesting case study that Alex is not interested in at all. | ||
| A very successful strategy that has been used to effectively help people get back on their feet in many ways. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you go back to now it's just becoming so obvious, but it does seem like the cruelty is the point. | ||
| Forcing people, you know, the rich always think that they can starve the poor into doing what they want. | ||
| Into the right behaviors. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And it's just so fucking stupid and cruel. | ||
| Yeah, and it's interesting because I don't think that's what's motivating Alex here at all. | ||
| I think he doesn't care about a compassionate, holistic approach. | ||
| Right, of course not. | ||
| To the problem. | ||
| But I don't think that's based in cruelty in 2013. | ||
| I think it's based in his desire to demonize the government. | ||
| Like, that's his priority. | ||
| Now, today, maybe he would be like, fuck this dude. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fuck this dude digging in the trash. | ||
| He should be hurting. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Especially if it was an immigrant. | ||
| But, yeah, it's interesting to see that. | ||
| You know, like, the cruelty doesn't pervade nearly as much. | ||
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Right. | |
| No, he does seem to have at least some kind of, like, basic human empathy there of, like, come on, man. | ||
| Really? | ||
| This guy is... | ||
| Diving in a dumpster for food because he's starving and you guys are going to charge him $300? | ||
| It's kind of an elementary level of it. | ||
| And I'm sure he never got back on air and gave a clarification that the ticket was dropped whenever it was. | ||
| Oh, no, absolutely not. | ||
| I'm sure he doesn't. | ||
| But, like, yeah, it is still coming from a place that's close to where you'd want it to be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| At least it's, again, surface level on the right side of this. | ||
| Right, right, right, right, of course. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah, and you just cannot explain to the people, like, you cannot explain to them that it's cheaper to just house homeless people. | ||
| Cheaper and better. | ||
| And better, yeah. | ||
| They have to have this, like, well, it's unfair because I pulled myself up from my bootstraps or whatever the fuck they want to do. | ||
| But it's just... | ||
| Fuck Reagan. | ||
| That's what we're talking about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck Reagan! | ||
| Get him! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I have two clips coming up here from this March 11th episode that are... | ||
| Like, the content of it does not matter. | ||
| Don't worry about the content of it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's stupid. | ||
| I don't know how often I am worried about the content of things. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| These are not consequential stories. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Anyway, the way Alex is covering them is stupid. | ||
| But... | ||
| They illustrate something about his style of broadcast that I've always wanted to kind of illustrate, but I haven't really found really good example clips that are just like, this is a boil down of him. | ||
| Here is Alex reading a headline and then patting himself on the back thinking he's covered a story. | ||
| This is a 20 second clip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's another article. | ||
| Second drone spotted over New York. | ||
| Speaking of New York. | ||
| UAV reported within three miles of LaGuardia Airport. | ||
| They've already had them crash. | ||
| They've already had them almost run into airplanes over Denver. | ||
| That's Top Drudge. | ||
| Link left-hand side. | ||
| DrudgeReport.com right now. | ||
| So, but I've covered three articles now. | ||
| Let's continue to try to get into more. | ||
| So that is covering an article? | ||
| He just basically read a headline and then sort of speculated about other things. | ||
| Well, you know, they've also had drones crash. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And he's just reading from Drudge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So we're doing... | ||
| We're doing a lightning round of headlines, and he's like, oh, gotcha! | ||
| Like, it's a game show. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Jesus, what an idiot. | ||
| Hit the clock, I covered it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| We're playing speed chess. | ||
| That's sad. | ||
| It's pathetic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It really is pathetic. | ||
| Like, without any... | ||
| Like, he doesn't read the first line of... | ||
| At least the first line of the paragraph to pretend like... | ||
| Or any analysis. | ||
| What's the context of the story? | ||
| What's behind it? | ||
| Why is this interesting? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Just, I covered it. | ||
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Got it. | |
| Three down. | ||
| Next. | ||
| Good job, Alex. | ||
| Next one! | ||
| No whammies! | ||
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Boom! | |
| Alex, you still got it. | ||
| So, this next clip, he's talking about the immortal cell lines that researchers have. | ||
| It's very complicated, and I don't want to get into it. | ||
| It's not important. | ||
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Fair. | |
| I believe we've talked about it in a past episode, and Alex, his take on it is very stupid. | ||
| But this is another thing I wanted to demonstrate, which is... | ||
| We talk a lot about how Alex cannot stop citing movies, but what's interesting is he's also often defensive that people think that he gets all of his ideas from movies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of course he is, because he does. | ||
| So this clip is really fascinating, because he starts off by talking about this immortal cell line, this Lazarus cell. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then he's like, I know y 'all are going to think that I got this from I Am Legend. | ||
| And then watch where this clip goes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're going to think that the movie that came out a few years ago, I Am Legend, you're going to think, wait, you got this from I Am Legend. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| 20 years ago, they put out, more than 20 years ago, they put out white papers that are public, and I'm going to go over some of them. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| Where they knew that the key to immortality in their belief... | ||
| This is the establishment. | ||
| If you control trillions, you're worth billions. | ||
| You've had every sex you can imagine. | ||
| You've got everything. | ||
| You own mountaintops, jet copters. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| What's the one thing you want? | ||
| More life. | ||
| What does Roy Batty tell the head of the Tyrell Corporation? | ||
| I want more life. | ||
| And then that's an expletive. | ||
| Ah, the facts of life. | ||
| Alex, that was a movie. | ||
| That's Blade Runner. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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I'm not talking about I Am Legend. | |
| I'm talking about Blade Runner! | ||
| It would only be better if he was like, I'm talking about the Omega Man starring Vincent Price, you idiots! | ||
| Will Smith sucks! | ||
| Well, it also makes me question, did Blade Runner come out 20 years before this? | ||
| He's talking about the globalists put out white papers 20 years before. | ||
| Is he talking about Blade Runner? | ||
| That was the mid-80s, right? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, Jesus. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Too hard to say, but I need to crystallize that thought process where he's defensive about people thinking he's taking things from movies. | ||
| What do the globalists want? | ||
| They want more life, and I'm going to cite a different movie. | ||
| He can't get away from that. | ||
| Gotcha! | ||
| I guess, to be fair, he's not getting it from I Am Legend. | ||
| This is insanity. | ||
| So when Alex has come back from vacation, right? | ||
| He's been out of studio, but he got back on Sunday. | ||
| And I listened to that episode, and we don't have any clips of it, because it was generally just incredibly boring. | ||
| And a lot of it has to do with him getting into a little bit of a fight with some cops at South by Southwest. | ||
| Sure, sure, of course he did. | ||
| But none of it seemed real, so I don't really... | ||
| I don't want to take too much time on it. | ||
| To suffice... | ||
| He went down to South by Southwest and he was trying to hand out copies of his InfoWars magazine. | ||
| If you believe his version of the story, the out-of-control Gestapo police tried to stop him and told him that he can't have bumper stickers on his car, which is clear evidence that we live in an out-and-out police state. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| Alex refused to accept this tyranny and the police backed down because they were afraid of him, with some of them even giving Alex a thumbs up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| For his heroism. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| Most likely what actually happened is that the police told him that his car was clearly a commercial vehicle and that he was promoting his business by handing out his product, and that was prohibited in the area that he was in without a permit. | ||
| I don't see the reality of the version he's telling. | ||
| But he claims that he got into it with these guys who were trying to give him a ticket, and he got them back down. | ||
| Anyway, on this episode, Alex embellishes the story even further, to the point where now he's arguing that his actions caused a revolt within the police department. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| Of dudes who just refused to oppress his free speech. | ||
| The entire police department. | ||
| Absolutely, there was a police revolt. | ||
| Was it a coup? | ||
| Did the police chief get overthrown? | ||
| I think it might count as a mini-coup. | ||
| A mini-coup? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they were banning our free speech in Austin or trying to order the police to do it. | ||
| We learned there was a police revolt. | ||
| I didn't hear this from the police. | ||
| I learned it from CBS. | ||
| I wonder all the cops were smiling at me when I showed up to demonstrate against the South by Southwest. | ||
| And then I later talked to CBS and they had all the big sheets from the interview. | ||
| I don't think it even aired, though, where they talked to the cops and the cops said, well, we made the determination that the ordinance does not say that they can't hand stuff out. | ||
| Now, a big fracas, though, because they had the city of Austin come down with code enforcement and try to order the police to give people tickets. | ||
| They did give warnings and then said, you know, we're not even doing that. | ||
| Now, by the time I got back to Austin, I drove back a day early because of this. | ||
| I didn't know all this, and I showed up. | ||
| About 100 people showed up real quick just off an Internet announcement, you know, for an impromptu flash demonstration. | ||
| And News 8 Austin was out there. | ||
| A bunch of others were out there. | ||
| It may have aired. | ||
| I don't really watch television, so I don't know. | ||
| I haven't looked it up, but I haven't heard about it. | ||
| So maybe, did News 8 Austin or CBS cover it? | ||
| Let's check that. | ||
| We can type Alex Jones, South by Southwest, and it'll pop up. | ||
| Yeah, production meetings would help this show. | ||
| Yeah, you could do this off air. | ||
| So Alex didn't check the news to see if they covered his noble victory over censorship and tyranny. | ||
| So he has an employee look it up. | ||
| And it turns out that they did end up covering these South by Southwest pamphlet issues. | ||
| They're giving out pamphlets of people getting tickets for it. | ||
| But there's a slight twist when they actually find the story. | ||
| Oh, it was picked up by KI. | ||
| Pamphlet ordinance not enforced during South by Southwest. | ||
| And so they did cover it. | ||
| Strangely enough, we're not even in this report. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Okay, it's a side issue for national listeners. | ||
| Yeah, it certainly is. | ||
| It's a real issue for you. | ||
| Yeah, but you didn't make it into the news, so... | ||
| This is a story about a singer-songwriter who was giving out flyers for a show in the area that South by Southwest had permits for. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So the festival doesn't allow people to give out flyers. | ||
| Yeah, they don't like that. | ||
| And the police came and were going to give them a ticket and then they decided not to. | ||
| That's what the story was that was covered in the CBS article. | ||
| That's an exciting story. | ||
| Zero mention of Alex, which you would think would be in the news. | ||
| If he led a police revolt, hell yeah, it would be in the news. | ||
| Or he sparked a police revolt. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, so that's kind of a problem. | ||
| That is a little bit of a dick move. | ||
| That'd be like if I was running a comedy show and somebody came and stood outside. | ||
| And gave out flyers for a comedy show across the street. | ||
| It is a bit of a dick move, but at the same time, there's so many problems with the way South by Southwest has run their talent relations. | ||
| There's all kinds of stories you can find about them blacklisting people for performing in venues in the city during the festival that aren't approved. | ||
| I don't know if I 100% sign off on... | ||
| On anything they do. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I mean, Lollapalooza does the same thing. | ||
| There are so many bands that just do not play in Chicago unless they're at Lollapalooza, because if they do, Lollapalooza will just... | ||
| Nope, you're not allowed. | ||
| And I don't think that that's healthy for the greater artistic community. | ||
| And so I am against that. | ||
| But I am for people telling Alex to hit the bricks. | ||
| Take those magazines elsewhere, asshole. | ||
| And I am against police revolts if they are on Alex's side. | ||
| Yeah, generally. | ||
| I think that's probably a good position. | ||
| So, another thing that's happened, probably while Alex was on vacation, maybe right around this time, is that Dennis Rodman has gone over to North Korea. | ||
| This was then! | ||
| Oh my god, we live in a stupid world even then. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Alex is pretty mad about this. | ||
| And one of the things that I wanted to highlight, particularly in this episode, is Alex, this is 2013. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A scant few years later, he's going to be thrilled with Trump saying he loves Kim Jong-un. | ||
| Oh yeah, opening up relations, yeah. | ||
| I just think that it's really interesting to see how much Alex hated Kim Jong-un in 2013. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here is Alex talking a little bit about his feelings towards the North Korean dictator. | ||
| They say Kim Jong-un is just obsessed with Hollywood, and that's all he does is read Hollywood magazines and watch TV all day. | ||
| I mean, what an obscenity. | ||
| I mean, I would just love, love to get in a room with that guy. | ||
| I mean, I would just love it. | ||
| Wouldn't you love? | ||
| Because I'm not somebody that dreams about beating the hell out of people, but I would love. | ||
| Just let me punch him two or three times. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| I'm not going to fantasize here. | ||
| Can you imagine an uppercut to that nose, full power? | ||
| I mean, just give it absolute caveman swing. | ||
| The nose would completely be off the nose. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| It would be a big gaping black hole of blood. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Right into those teeth. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| And then just slam that head on the ground. | ||
| You're supposed to be an adult. | ||
| I mean, I'm sorry. | ||
| I mean, I gotta admit, I look at that tyrant, and I have fantasies. | ||
| You know all the people they string up and torture, and all the kids and women, because reportedly they're into women. | ||
| That's what him and his daddy are reportedly into, torturing him to death. | ||
| You should stop escalating this. | ||
| This doesn't seem like a person who you're going to find detente with. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This doesn't seem like... | ||
| This seems like somebody that you're graphically fantasizing about killing with your fists. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And someone who, you know, whether or not they soften their present behavior, have behaved in such a way in the past that you cannot accept them as someone who you can have relations with. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| But four years later, if your guy loves him, then I love him too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So fucking stupid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I hate these people so much. | ||
| And that's not to say that Alex loves Kim Jong-un now. | ||
| It's just that his position is so different. | ||
| Like, it's so different. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's insane to me what Trump is able to change in him. | ||
|
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I mean, it's just... | |
| What's the point if everything we do... | ||
| It's like with Trump's tweets. | ||
| Whenever everybody's like, Trump says this, and then you can go back and find a tweet from the Obama years where he says that exactly what he's doing... | ||
| Is 100% evil. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| It's just such bullshit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, if, like, let's say a politician that we like wins in 2020, and then a year later, all of a sudden, they're like, you know what? | ||
| Alex Jones is pretty fucking awesome. | ||
| It's not like we're going to then on the podcast be like, guys, Alex is the best. | ||
|
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Alex is great. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That might be extreme, but, like, you know, advocate for a position that we're explicitly against. | ||
| It's not like we're going to be like... | ||
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Well, gotta say, we, you know, love it. | |
| If Elizabeth Warren gets elected and then she's like, also, we're bringing socialist policies into this government, but we are going to ramp up separating children from their parents at the border. | ||
| There's no way I'm supporting her. | ||
| It's done. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Goodbye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is not like that. | ||
| No. | ||
| So anyway, he's also mad at Rodman for going over there, which, good on him. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I have an instinct to want to... | ||
| Put bad people down. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| And I don't do that to sound tough or whatever. | ||
| I have a problem just being honest how I feel. | ||
| And looking at that punches my buttons really, really bad. | ||
| It punches my buttons really, really bad. | ||
| And I love the fact Dennis Rodman was thrown out of a bar. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, that guy. | ||
| Let me tell you, man. | ||
| It'd be one thing if he went and was very solemn and was actually an ambassador. | ||
| It'd still be a joke. | ||
| And said, what you're doing is wrong and everything. | ||
| Then I would say, wow, the guy actually did something. | ||
| Instead, he went and groveled and said he was a great guy and all this. | ||
| Him and his family have like 10 million people's blood on their hands. | ||
| Oh, man, this is sad. | ||
| And I've read about the confirmed reports about how the lower half class are put in pins as animals and their kids are taken and sent to another camp. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| There's no family. | ||
| I'm I can't handle this. | ||
| And the things they do in the medical experiments. | ||
| No, not annihilate. | ||
| No! | ||
| It seems like Alex has really embraced that the United States is worse than North Korea right now because he hates the policy of separating children from their families and putting them into a different account. | ||
| He thinks that's a fucking crime against humanity. | ||
| Jordan, what you don't understand is that the good people at ICE and Border Patrol don't have the evil demonic look in their eyes. | ||
|
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I really have seen them in the videos and they really... | |
| They really do have an evil demonic look in their eyes. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It's very subjective as an assessment of people. | ||
|
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Fair. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| It does seem like evil demonic eyes is probably less important than sharing a meme of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and their... | ||
| It's actually shocking to hear a clip like that. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's too on the nose. | ||
| It's parody. | ||
| It's super bizarre. | ||
| It's parody. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| You just couldn't... | ||
| It would be lazy writing if I was going to write a fucking SNL sketch and I wrote this, people would be like, fuck off, that's so unrealistic. | ||
| The backstory of a propagandist defending X, yelling about X in the past is just... | ||
| These sort of examples are... | ||
| Legion. | ||
| The thing that's amazing about it is it's so common. | ||
| It's so common. | ||
| In Alex's past. | ||
| It's literally... | ||
| Just indicative of how little he cares. | ||
| Oh, does not give a fuck. | ||
| So he talks a little bit more here about North Korea. | ||
| You know they've got missiles over there. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And a lot of them keep blowing up on the pad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At this point. | ||
| And Alex believes. | ||
| I should say he knows. | ||
| Okay, well, it's... | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| He knows. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| These are not failures to launch. | ||
| These are not missile problems. | ||
| Matthew McConaughey is not involved. | ||
| They are being shot down by lasers. | ||
| That doesn't sound right either. | ||
| If this sounds a little Project Camelot-y to you, it is. | ||
| Because this is the same sort of argument I've heard from people on Project Camelot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But Alex knows it to be the case, and he has some proof, which leads to a very weird personal story. | ||
| The point is that that's why they now have this and have missiles that keep blowing up the launch pad. | ||
| Let me tell you, folks, I've watched how they've blown up. | ||
| They've clearly got space-based and aircraft-based lasers. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| They can shoot from hundreds of miles away and blow those things up. | ||
| They are blowing them up. | ||
| And that's why the White House came out on Saturday and said, we can shoot down those missiles. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| I mean, they had 30 years ago DC-10s with giant chemical lasers the entire length of the jet aircraft. | ||
| Is he talking Star Wars? | ||
| That are like Star Wars. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Particle beam. | ||
| You're gone. | ||
| Shoot right through armor. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| Very powerful. | ||
| Regular laser would just bounce off. | ||
| It's particle beam. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| A chemical laser with a cyclotron in it. | ||
| A small superconducting supercollider. | ||
| It's like a rail gun, but it's small particles. | ||
| And it heats up. | ||
| The reason I know is, of all people, my dad got a grant in high school to build a primitive particle beam. | ||
| They were handing out things like that then. | ||
| He was top of his class, and he built a small particle laser and was blowing stuff up in the backyard. | ||
| I can't believe I'm saying this. | ||
| It sounds so crazy. | ||
| It's actually true. | ||
| And he didn't wear the proper safety glasses. | ||
| He had welding glasses on. | ||
| It wasn't enough. | ||
| Particles went in, and his eyes got burned. | ||
| He was blind for about three weeks. | ||
| Had to wear bandages. | ||
| They didn't know he'd have his eyesight back. | ||
| To green. | ||
| But it really burns. | ||
| It burned the front of his eye. | ||
| I think your dad was lying to you. | ||
| And he has like yellow burns on his eye. | ||
| But I don't know why I'm telling that story now. | ||
| Okay, anyways. | ||
| I'm going to do a special on lasers very soon. | ||
| Believe me, it's going to be a viral video. | ||
| I'm excited for that special on lasers. | ||
| I don't know if he ever made that special on lasers. | ||
| I doubt he did. | ||
| I bet he did. | ||
| He's a man of his word. | ||
| He's going to get to those articles. | ||
| I don't know if I believe this story, but what's interesting about it is I don't know who the liar is. | ||
| His dad or Alex? | ||
| I don't know if his dad told him that story and he's repeating it, or if his dad said something similar to it. | ||
| Because I could believe his dad, when he was in high school, was into science stuff. | ||
| I mean, he ends up being a dentist. | ||
| It makes sense that he might have been on some sort of a science path. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Maybe he did some low-level experiments with not a fucking railgun laser. | ||
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Particle beam? | |
| Yeah, no, I doubt it. | ||
| But I could believe he did some science experiments, and maybe one of them blew up or something. | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| That tracks. | ||
| But the embellishment, Alex, you know, and we've heard him consistently hero worship and exaggerate his dad's feats. | ||
| He's the... | ||
| Second smartest person in the state of Texas. | ||
| The globalists tried to enlist him. | ||
| The CIA dentist, the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So it makes sense that maybe his dad told him some stories of science experiments that he did when he was younger, and then Alex has turned this into he was working on a particle beam and it burned his eyes green. | ||
| Well, I mean, it also would make sense for the father of somebody, or the person who created an Alex Jones to be also a pathological liar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And his son is in the crosshairs. | ||
| He's clearly much... | ||
| He's much smarter than Alex, though, because he never comes on air. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| We have very little insight into what he's actually like or was like. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, it would be a breach of ethics for the HR director to go on air. | ||
| He wasn't HR director at this point, I don't think. | ||
| I think he's still a practicing dentist in 2013. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Alex is a little muddy about the timeline. | ||
| He claims that he retired because of Obamacare. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| I'm not sure that that's the case. | ||
| Either way, we've got some more about North Korea here. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Alex has a couple of bold claims about North Korea. | ||
| The first one has to do with food issues. | ||
| And I've done deep analysis. | ||
| North Korea is its own Looney Tune land. | ||
| And it's not just intel and years of study. | ||
| I can look at those people. | ||
| They are just in another world driving around in 57 Chevys, and they can't even tie their shoelaces. | ||
| I mean, they sell. | ||
| This was even in Vanity Fair confirmed. | ||
| The only meat for sale for the small middle class is dead babies and dead people. | ||
| And that's what they serve is human flesh. | ||
| I mean, it's just total cuckoo land. | ||
| I don't know if I believe that. | ||
| I'm going to go with... | ||
| He is saying that the country of North Korea is a cannibalist state. | ||
| They don't know how to tie their shoes, and they're full of cannibals. | ||
| They're actual cannibals. | ||
| This is very reminiscent of sort of old-timey... | ||
| Views of colonial countries. | ||
| I was about to say, this is like, are we in the 1600s and somebody is going to Africa and coming back and being like, they're savages and we have the full dominion to take over. | ||
| Well, he did say he wants to annihilate them. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I think he views North Koreans, let's say some American comes over and they end up in a pot and they're just cutting carrots in it like a Looney Tunes. | ||
| He's saying it's a Looney Tunes. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how much I believe this. | ||
| So you got this sort of nonsense. | ||
| And then you got this last clip here where Alex talks about Kim Jong-un. | ||
| And I would say that this is, again, reinforcing the idea that no matter what happens, he can't really rationalize coming to any kind of agreement with him. | ||
| There's no way for Alex's position in 2013 to ever soften. | ||
| Whatever demonic angel Satan has over North Korea, it's probably Satan himself. | ||
| Whatever principality, the Bible says, has a certain demon over each city, because the devil has his top angels. | ||
| Whatever one is there, infest the leader. | ||
| Because I'm telling you, his son is now possessed. | ||
| He has the same demonic look, jack-o'-lantern look, that the other leaders have. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| He is possessed. | ||
| So Kim Jong-un is possessed, possibly by Satan himself. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Probably. | ||
| Probably by Satan himself. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know about this. | ||
| Does he... | ||
| Like, he knows that the North Korean people aren't, like, stoked, right? | ||
| A lot of them are pretty not cool with this whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, like, desiring to annihilate North Korea... | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| When he said annihilate them, I think he was mostly talking about the people in charge. | ||
| I don't think he was talking about everybody in North Korea. | ||
| That would be an unfair way for us to characterize his comments. | ||
| Then I misinterpreted that. | ||
| I think it's easy to do because he speaks so brashly and stupidly. | ||
| But I think he was mostly talking about not just Kim Jong-un, but also the people in the police forces. | ||
| So you might have heard a person in the background there sort of chiming in with a, yeah, that's because this was talking to a caller. | ||
| He's taking some calls here at the end of the show. | ||
| Most of them are kind of like that. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| But he does take one call that really, really troubled me. | ||
| Now let's go to Zachary in Florida. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead, sir. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| Hi, Alex. | ||
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How you doing? | |
| Pretty good, brother. | ||
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I've been listening to your show for about two years, and I'm only 14. I absolutely love your work. | |
| You do an excellent job. | ||
| This is when you get this person off the phone. | ||
| He's 14? | ||
| He's been listening for two years and loves Alex's work. | ||
| A 12-year-old is not equipped to deal with the sort of I mean, information warfare. | ||
| It's called InfoWars. | ||
| He's not capable of understanding what Alex is talking about, even from just a surface level. | ||
| He's not capable of deciphering Alex's lies. | ||
| He probably doesn't have access to the abilities and the emotional maturity that's required to... | ||
| Understand what Alex is talking about. | ||
| This is really dangerous. | ||
| Well, we see, I mean, on a daily basis now, we see what happens when you have children exposed to this kind of right-wing nationalist propaganda. | ||
| You know, that's, what else happens? | ||
| If a 12-year-old told me, or a 14-year-old even, told me that they liked our show, what I would do is ask to talk to their parents, and I would tell them... | ||
| Don't let them listen to our show. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| Do something to, like, if you want to listen to the show when you're older, great. | ||
|
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Love it. | |
| We need listeners. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hopefully we'll be around in eight years whenever it's appropriate. | ||
| I would prefer to have less listeners than people who are not able to understand the subject matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it's too easy to be such a negative influence in people's lives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Unintentionally, probably, maybe, but still a negative influence. | ||
| This kid can't integrate. | ||
| This information. | ||
| And it could lead him to making decisions that are dangerous. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Not just for us, but for others. | ||
| So his whole call is about how his YouTube channel is being censored, which is kind of weird, considering that's now what Alex complains about a lot, and all the right-wing is. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| His story doesn't make a ton of sense. | ||
| Something about, like, he posted that video of George H.W. Bush saying New World Order and he got hit with a copyright claim. | ||
| Yeah, that's not really being censored. | ||
| But the issue is that Alex doesn't... | ||
| Like, try to moderate. | ||
| You know, he doesn't try. | ||
| When you have a 14-year-old who calls in who's gung-ho for what you... | ||
| You need to talk them down a little bit. | ||
| Bring them to a rational center as opposed to being like, yeah, you know, they are trying to take out the little guys on YouTube. | ||
| Don't reinforce and feed into it. | ||
| That's abusive. | ||
| Hey, Alex, I am filled to the gills with hormones that I can't control or understand, forcing me to make decisions that I'm... | ||
| Certainly going to regret later, as do all human beings, especially teenage boys. | ||
| So please tell me where I should direct all of this anger towards and make these bad decisions at. | ||
| Globalists. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I will go commit violent acts. | ||
| So we're done with the 11th now. | ||
| We get to the 12th. | ||
| And this first clip, I think, is clearly indicative of why a 12-year-old should not be listening to this show. | ||
| When I heard this, I was like, uh-oh. | ||
| Now, you know Professor Griff is in the Obama Deception, one of the more famous individuals in hip-hop out there, and one of the founders of Public Enemy. | ||
| And I know that he's an off-and-on listener, because I've heard shows where he's talked about the broadcast, where he's plugged the Obama Deception in some of his big concerts, because I've seen it in the L.A. Times. | ||
| And we're talking to one of his manager's cohort's friends, and reportedly he's on at noon today. | ||
| But we haven't been in contact with him in a few days, and they're on tour, and there's a bunch of stuff going on. | ||
| So we'll see if that happens in the second hour today. | ||
| Professor Griff, 90% coming on the show. | ||
| So Professor Griff may or may not be on the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't want ever for a 12-year-old to hear Professor Griff talk. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Listen to Public Enemy's albums, fine. | ||
| Don't listen to Professor Griff. | ||
| Give a lecture. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| For reasons that we'll get into later. | ||
| Because, spoiler alert, Professor Griff does show up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that's the kind of show that we got here. | ||
| Professor Griff is going to get an unquestioning and really laudatory platform. | ||
| Alex is so into celebrities who are... | ||
| So marginalized that they're willing to talk to him. | ||
| Professor Griff is one of the most important people in hip-hop, according to Alex. | ||
| Which is a necessary thing for him to say because he's the person in hip-hop who will talk to Alex. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| It's such a mess. | ||
| Now thinking about it in the context of the very beginning of the show, whenever he has that violent fucking fantasy of beating up Kim Jong-un. | ||
| And you think of a 12-year-old listening to that, seeing that this is legitimized behavior for an adult to have. | ||
| Like, it's fucked up. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's really, really awful. | ||
| The cycle of toxic masculinity just never ends. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex is discussing how his show is too short. | ||
| That can't be true! | ||
| It's someone who listens to it. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| He is just misusing time. | ||
| You could condense it to a half hour. | ||
| It's the classic case of misallocation of resources. | ||
| He could easily get all the content he needs to get out easily in the time that he has available. | ||
| But he wants to extend the show because you'll see. | ||
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| I'm so out of control, folks. | ||
| I don't plug my own sponsors. | ||
| I refuse all this advertising money because I just will not even mention the stuff on air even though we need the money. | ||
| I skip network breaks even though the network says please stop doing it. | ||
| I just can't help it. | ||
| You understand that's thousands of dollars every time I do that. | ||
| Because I'm just so dedicated to covering info and I get so wound up. | ||
| I ought to just have the show go back to four or five hours. | ||
| No. | ||
| But then I get completely burnt out and then can't. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's insane wanting to really free humanity and knowing all the globalist tricks and knowing I'm right. | ||
| Knowing the globalist wheels behind wheels, plans within plans, knowing their playbook, and it's so frustrating. | ||
| I just want the general public to have the playbook so you can be empowered. | ||
| I want you to win. | ||
| So this is a really interesting clip to me, because I hear this sentiment coming up from Alex more and more frequently in this 2013 stretch of time that we're going over. | ||
| He knows he's right about everything. | ||
| And he's super fucking frustrated because no one else seems to think that he's right about everything. | ||
| One conclusion a person in that situation could reach is that they're not in fact right about everything and that their feelings that they are might be based in delusions of grandeur. | ||
| Alex is unwilling to consider that possibility, so he goes the other route. | ||
| There's just too much news and the struggles of being a radio host are so straining that he doesn't have the time to explain it all to people so they can be free. | ||
| Here's how I know he's full of shit. | ||
| He's been on air for like 18 years at this point. | ||
| He's had plenty of time to explain the globalist plan in exhaustive detail and impart literally all the information he would need to make clear his day that he is right. | ||
| If he wanted to, he could take an entire week of his show and just get into the weeds with it. | ||
| Like really lay out the names, dates, and specific citations and everything. | ||
| That would be 15 hours on air. | ||
| And if that isn't enough, he can go into overdrive. | ||
| He has literally no one stopping him from broadcasting exactly as long as it takes for him to coherently teach his class. | ||
| You're missing it, Dan. | ||
| Sure, the globalist plans are long-term, but they're always throwing in new wrinkles. | ||
| You can never fully explain a globalist playbook. | ||
| But the plan is timeless. | ||
| Ah, it is timeless. | ||
| The reason he doesn't do this is that he doesn't want to show his cards and have his audience know where he's getting his ideas from. | ||
| Some of it's just made up. | ||
| Some of it's clear misrepresentations of things that are real. | ||
| And some of it, probably more than anyone should be comfortable with, is just the protocols of the elders of Zion. | ||
| Alex knows damn well that he can just yell about Carol Quigley or John P. Holdren and then move on to another topic without anyone getting too suspicious. | ||
| But if you were really to dive in and try to analyze those texts and make his points, his argument would crumble in real time in front of his audience. | ||
| The second reason he doesn't do it is that it would be painfully boring to the audience that he's cultivated. | ||
| Tons of the people you talk to who have ever listened to Alex's show, they say things like, I don't know if I agree with him, but it's fun when he yells. | ||
| Alex knows that to keep an audience, which allows him to continue making ad revenue, he needs to yell and distract and jump from topic to topic. | ||
| He needs to keep a steady supply of white identity-fueled outrage coming in the form of misleading and overly simplified headlines. | ||
| If he really buckled down and tried to get into the details, he knows damn well that half his audience is turning the dial, and there go his plans to buy a new boat. | ||
| Market pressures dictate that in order to maintain his standard of living, he can't even try to take the time to explain the quote-unquote globalist playbook that he's convinced himself he understands better than anyone else on Earth. | ||
| But there was a time when that wasn't the case. | ||
| In his early days on radio, he was so much freer, unbeholden to these advertising pressures. | ||
| Here's what I'm getting at. | ||
| He's had a radio show and a video camera this whole career. | ||
| If at any point in that career he wanted to lay out his proof and actually do a focused, coherent type of breakdown of this, he absolutely could have. | ||
| And yet he hasn't. | ||
| Endgame was an attempt at it, and I guess, but that documentary is completely full of shit and fails to prove any of his arguments. | ||
| If anything in what he was saying were true... | ||
| He could have done this at any point in his life. | ||
| It's not like the globalist plan is some new development. | ||
| You're bringing up like, oh, there's this new thing. | ||
| But those are all just wrinkles. | ||
| Those are all new distractions. | ||
| The base of it is the same. | ||
| It's always been the same. | ||
| There's nothing that he's doing now that he couldn't have done ten years ago in terms of firmly laying all this stuff out. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem that he is fully aware that his show is purely entertainment value. | ||
| That he is sneaking white nationalist views into. | ||
| But he can't ever say that it's an entertainment show. | ||
| Because that would undercut the very premise. | ||
| Unless he's trying to keep custody of his children. | ||
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| And his lawyer says it. | ||
| Yeah, he's very clearly aware of it. | ||
| Yeah, you know. | ||
| And I'm probably a little too sensitive about this. | ||
| But clips like this really piss me off. | ||
| Because I think they show how much of a con man he is. | ||
| Possibly even more so than his gross salesman clips. | ||
| These are the clips where Alex tries to explain away why his show isn't what he pretends it is by creating fake excuses for why he's not doing a better job. | ||
| He can't fully explain the Globalist playbook to you because he has to plug sponsors. | ||
| Presumably, by extension, he hasn't already fully laid out the Globalist playbook because every day he comes into work for the last 18 years, he's had to plug sponsors. | ||
| In reality, he hasn't explained this Globalist playbook because he knows that he's making most of it up. | ||
| The wheels inside wheels and plans inside plans he sees the globalists crafting are tenuous connections that he imagines lurking behind completely unrelated headlines he skimmed in an altered state or whatever he was describing at the beginning of this episode. | ||
| All that stuff is in his head. | ||
| So he doesn't lay it out because if he did it would be too obvious to people. | ||
| Yeah, we're back in stupid evil continuum here. | ||
| He's clearly scamming and he's aware of it, but at the same time he believes enough of what he's saying to give you pause. | ||
| The depths of the evilness could be subconscious. | ||
| The most evil parts of it seem like they could just be like, he doesn't know. | ||
| I don't think it's a mental process where he's like, oh, I can't lay out my plan because if I do, everyone will know I'm a liar. | ||
| I think it's subconscious. | ||
| I bet he believes that he can't lay out his plan because he doesn't have enough time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I do think he believes that. | ||
| And then he subconsciously creates all these impediments in his way. | ||
| Like, ah, goddammit, I got another big Berkey ad. | ||
| Oh no, I gotta interview the fucking limerick soap guy. | ||
| Again. | ||
| That does get in the way of laying out the globalist plan. | ||
| It certainly does. | ||
| A good limerick will overthrow the globalist plan at any time. | ||
| But Alex is in this deep state, and he's like, maybe I should extend the show, because then I can get into everything. | ||
| And I'll tell you this, he goes four hours on this episode. | ||
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| And we'll see how that plays out. | ||
| Man, every production thought he has is always wrong. | ||
| Like, let's go to a 24-hour network. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| You're overextending yourself. | ||
| Let's have Owen Troyer host the fourth episode. | ||
| Let's fucking hire Owen Troyer. | ||
| Bad idea. | ||
| So, you know, we'll see what happens with that final hour. | ||
| He's already laid out that one of the reasons to extend the show is to really get into the globalist playbook that will free everyone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Alex, he starts complaining about guns a little bit in this episode. | ||
| And in this next clip, he talks about how they almost already took the guns. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Back in the 60s and 70s, they almost got all the guns. | ||
| They almost got rid of our military then as well and put it under UN then, under State Department Memorandum and Public Law 7277. | ||
| So, that's the type of stuff going on. | ||
| Look up 7277. | ||
| The manual's online. | ||
| Where we have no military, our police are disarmed, and UN troops are here. | ||
| That's why you've always heard, oh, that's coming, but we've held it back. | ||
| The old-timers, by warning people, bought us a lot of time, so they've incrementally put a lot of it in, but not all of it. | ||
| So that's why you can read what the John Birch Society said in the 60s. | ||
| People are like, this is crazy. | ||
| Now it's all come true, basically. | ||
| We held it back. | ||
| They wanted this stuff by the 70s. | ||
| So, we talked a little bit in the past about State Department Memorandum 7277, but it's been a long time since we have, so I felt maybe it was time for a little brush up. | ||
| Yeah, I could use a little brush up. | ||
| So, for those who haven't listened to our entire back catalog, Memorandum 7277 was a document that was drafted by the U.S. State Department and released in September 1961. | ||
| The official title of the document was Freedom from War, the United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World. | ||
| It's important to read this document with two considerations in mind. | ||
| The first is that this is a Cold War-era document. | ||
| The point of the document was to provide a possible plan of action to the UN at the 16th General Assembly in hopes of beginning a fruitful negotiation with the Soviet Union that could help avoid mutually assured destruction. | ||
| We've mentioned it many times, but we were legitimately on the brink of the world ending more than once in the span of those years. | ||
| And sensible people saw it as the highest priority to avoid that possible outcome. | ||
| If we live, all of us, if we all live in peace by way of complete disarmament, why the fuck wouldn't we do that? | ||
| Isn't that a better outcome than everyone dying for no reason? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I remember the guy in the Soviet Union who received the medal for literally saving the entire Earth and then was hidden in Siberia and his story fucking suppressed for as long as humanly possible. | ||
| It's a scary story. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I don't think we should disarm, Dan. | ||
| There's nothing dangerous about that. | ||
| I don't understand why when you're in that situation where you have brinksmanship. | ||
| The world! | ||
| The world! | ||
| The second consideration is that when negotiations began, it turned out that this plan was not what either the U.S. nor the Soviet Union wanted. | ||
| And at the 16th General Assembly, it went nowhere and wasn't adopted. | ||
| It exists today as a historical testament to a time when international negotiations might start off on a far more idealistic step than they do today. | ||
| That was the 60s. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Though it was never put into place and ultimately is a meaningless document in terms of any government, it did lay some important groundwork toward later negotiations like the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968. | ||
| So in many ways, you could actually see it as an important show of good faith from our side that actually was built upon later to make the world a safer place. | ||
| I think that if you look at it through that historical context, you see it as probably a very important document that... | ||
| It has led to good things, but not something that's enforceable in any way or actually been carried out. | ||
| As with most UN resolutions involving the United States, we didn't do a goddamn thing. | ||
| Well, it wasn't adopted. | ||
| It was a suggestion that was discussed, and no one was like, eh, who cares? | ||
| It's unclear from the text of the memorandum if it would even affect citizens' weapons at all. | ||
| It's really mostly about disarming the U.S. and Soviet Union and scaling back their arsenals and armies while simultaneously strengthening a U.N. peacekeeping force that could ideally avert future large-scale crises between countries. | ||
| And that also does have the nuclear idea, like states can't persist. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which I personally do not trust. | ||
| Dan, you gotta read between the lines. | ||
| You can't trust literally any word in those documents, because they all mean the exact opposite of what they say they mean, which I happen to determine what that means. | ||
| Playbook. | ||
| Let me read between a couple other lines for you. | ||
| Alright, I like it. | ||
| Alex is saying that the John Birch Society and the, quote, old-timers were warning about this, which is interesting phrasing. | ||
| I'm positive that the John Birch Society brought it up before this point, but the earliest definitive time I can find them talking about Memorandum 7277 is when then-president and former Alex Jones guest John McManus brought it up in a John Birch Society bulletin titled Whose Side Are They On? | ||
| dated April 1991. | ||
| I thought you were going to say... | ||
| The specific... | ||
| I thought you were going to say the president, not the president of the genre. | ||
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| Yeah, I was like, holy shit, former InfoWars guest Jimmy Carter? | ||
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| According to John Birch Society lore, Robert Welsh, quote, somehow found a copy of the memorandum almost immediately. | ||
| And because they worked to publicize it, the plan behind 7277 failed. | ||
| Always, always. | ||
| I find this particular telling of the story to be hard to believe. | ||
| Partially because from my reading of John Birch Society materials, they're pretty big on dates and also their own stories. | ||
| That's to say, you know, to say that Welsh somehow, you know, they literally, John McManus uses the word. | ||
| To be clear, I'm absolutely certain that the John Birch Society was agitating about Memorandum 7277 before 1991. | ||
| I'm just saying, I don't have any concrete proof of exactly when it started. | ||
| I've seen some indications that Robert Welsh was aware of 7277 by 1963, but he wasn't the only one. | ||
| I can find concrete evidence that another group was organizing specifically against Memorandum 7277 at the same time or earlier. | ||
| I swear to God, if you say the KKK, I'm going to be furious. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's a group called the Minutemen. | ||
| Oh, God, no! | ||
| They're almost worse! | ||
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| Jesus Christ, they're fucking crazy! | ||
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| The Minutemen were an extremist anti-communist group ran by a guy by the name of Robert Depew. | ||
| Depew had been a member of the John Birch Society, but decided that they weren't into action the same way he was, so he broke off and started the Minutemen in 1961. | ||
| That didn't stop him from re-infiltrating the John Birch Society with his Minutemen after the fact. | ||
| This was actually a common strategy among the explicitly violent right wing of the day. | ||
| The congressional record from 1960... | ||
| You could think that's over! | ||
| The congressional record from 1963 includes Senator Thomas Ketchel introducing into the record a passage from the cross and the flag. | ||
| Quote, followers of mine who have access to our literature should attend the John Birch Society meetings in their communities. | ||
| Do not be aggressive and do not be offensive. | ||
| Do not do anything to embarrass the Birch leadership, but always have a pocket full of literature and materials which you can hand out to interested people who might want to make a deeper study into the communist menace. | ||
| And also, always have a few blow pops in your pockets as well. | ||
| And a dog treat. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| No chocolate. | ||
| Raptors will fuck you up. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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In many ways, it's like how fascists have used things like Gamergate, men's rights activist communities as recruitment drives. | |
| This strategy is timeless. | ||
| It should be noted out that The Cross and the Flag was a publication put out by Gerald L.K. Smith, the founder of the America First Party, which was a party that was supposedly just isolationist but was crawling with Nazis and Nazi sympathizers. | ||
| In 1944, the party advocated for the deportation of U.S. Jews and the sterilization of those who would not leave. | ||
| Smith himself was an outright Nazi who spent a lot of his time after World War II lobbying for the pardoning of Nazis convicted at Nuremberg. | ||
| Popular move! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Popular move! | ||
| Look, I'm not saying you've got to give it up to the Somali pirates, but it does take a certain type of courage to lobby for... | ||
| Nazis aren't that bad! | ||
| Courage. | ||
| Courage! | ||
| So he ran for president, and he got less than 2,000 votes in the 1944 election. | ||
| So then Smith renamed his party from the America First Party. | ||
| He renamed it the Christian Nationalist Crusade, under whose name he published the cross and the flag, which is what was put in the congressional record. | ||
| The Christian Nationalist Crusade also published Henry Ford's International Jew and promoted the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as absolutely authentic. | ||
| They hated Jews, communism, immigrants, and jazz, presumably because it had to do with black people. | ||
| Gerald L.K. Smith was a Nazi, and he was one of the main figures behind the early days of Christian identity. | ||
| The Christian Nationalist Crusade is also associated with the Minutemen. | ||
| A 1964 news article describes Minuteman founder Robert Depew as, quote, the handsome, black-haired Missourian, and, quote, soft-spoken and articulate, which I only mention because it's important to realize that the media has always done this with right-wing extremists. | ||
| Depew taught that the communist menace was coming, and probably already here, all around, and so the only thing to do was to organize guerrilla groups to fight back. | ||
| Naturally, this just turned into anti-government fanaticism and right-wing terrorism, because it always does. | ||
| On January 26th, 1968, seven Minutemen members were arrested for planning to blow up the City Hall, Police Department, and power stations of Redmond, Washington. | ||
| Arresting officers found firebombs, dynamite, blasting caps, guns, and masks that they planned to use in their campaign, supposedly against communism. | ||
| It came out in court that it was all part of a plan to cause distraction and chaos so they could rob four area banks and bring in about $100,000. | ||
| Robert Depew was charged with conspiracy since he was the group's leader, but he went into hiding, only to be caught and charged in 1969. | ||
| Because he was the leader of a white terrorist group, though, he only ended up serving about three years of his 11-year sentence. | ||
| I love America! | ||
| Life sentence for marijuana possession. | ||
| Three years for white nationalist terrorism. | ||
| Two years prior to that event being broken up, 19 members of the Minutemen were arrested in process of carrying out a terrorist attack on some camps they supposedly thought were full of communists in the Northeast. | ||
| The police had been tipped off and raided their cell locations and, quote, seized a massive arsenal of mortars, grenades, bazookas, machine guns, semi-automatic rifles, and close to a million rounds of ammunition. | ||
| These people were not trying to fight communism. | ||
| They were extreme right-wing terrorists. | ||
| Ramparts quotes the defector of the group as saying, quote, after you take their five phases of training, you find out that you want to overthrow the government by force and violence and do away with about half of the people in the United States. | ||
| What had allegedly started out as a defensive fraternal organization to fight off the coming communist invasion had to turn radical and offensive when that invasion never came. | ||
| They had plans to assassinate politicians and commit a chemical weapons attack on the UN building. | ||
| They rationalized that attacking the government was the same as attacking communists since the government was already a communist entity, as proven by everything that's happened since the New Deal. | ||
| Put simply, the Minutemen were Alex Jones' kind of guys, but he does not want people to think that they were his kind of guys. | ||
| After their formation in 1961, it quickly became a catch-all organization, the Minutemen did, for people all over the extreme right who wanted the possibility of violence in their life. | ||
| Tons of Minutemen were legit Nazis as well as Klan members. | ||
| Two state coordinators for the Minutemen were former Grand Dragons of the Klan. | ||
| Their membership roles also included an interesting overlap with members of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, which is run by Wesley Swift, the man who more or less created the Christian identity movement in the United States. | ||
| One of his ministers was a Minuteman, and that's not a coincidence. | ||
| Much like the John Birch Society, the Minutemen distributed publications to their members. | ||
| In this case, however, it was stuff like a handbook that taught members how to make incendiary weapons and anti-vehicular mines, recipes for Molotov cocktails and nerve gas. | ||
| These were sort of the things that the Minutemen were distributing. | ||
| They also put out a periodical called On Target. | ||
| On Target, I'm not entirely sure, was the first, but it was very early. | ||
| As a publication that was spreading the conspiracy that Memorandum 7277 was an attempt to take Americans' guns. | ||
| Their November 1, 1963 issue is titled, quote, New Drive to Disarm America, and it discusses a recent symposium that was held to discuss illicit international arms trade. | ||
| The publication makes a specific point that the attendees were all members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and that, quote, of the 92 people who spoke during this four-day conference, nearly all fit into one of the following categories. | ||
| One, known and identified communists. | ||
| Two, persons who have belonged to and supported numerous communist fronts. | ||
| Three, people who have made it a habit to support and be affiliated with various ultra-liberal peace and disarmament groups. | ||
| And four, individuals who are paid employees of the U.S. Disarmament Agency. | ||
| Given how loose we know their definition of communist is, those four descriptions could literally include everyone who's not a minute man. | ||
| The pamphlet goes on to complain about Memorandum 7277, how everyone getting their guns taken is going to happen, and the next thing you know, we've got a new world order going under the UN. | ||
| A full five and a half of the ten pages of that newsletter is just the names and home addresses of people who attended that arms trade symposium, which leads me to another important part. | ||
| Doxing is not a new strategy of the extreme right wing. | ||
| So it's important to recognize that when Alex Jones says things like, the old timers, this is probably who he's talking about. | ||
| He's probably talking about the Minutemen, and he knows not to bring up them by name. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Also, back to Memorandum 7277 for a minute. | ||
| That plan was introduced by JFK. | ||
| How is it possible for Alex to argue that JFK was both the president who introduced the globalist disarmament plan for global government and also the guy who was killed by the globalists for being the last real president? | ||
| It's things like this that really highlight how inconsistent Alex's conspiracies are, even to each other. | ||
| They're internally inconsistent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, but that's never been the point. | ||
| Like, the point has always been, just like with the right-wing terrorists, it's always been... | ||
| Whip people into a fear-based state so they'll join us by saying, this is coming. | ||
| And then whenever it doesn't come because it's fantastical, say, it's already here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So why would you even want to bother with internal consistency? | ||
| The entire point is insanity. | ||
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| And it does go to the, like, using John Birch Society. | ||
| As a recruitment place for more extreme groups, it's the same thing. | ||
| If you're in for whatever Alex is selling, it really doesn't matter if it's crazier. | ||
| You're already in the place where you are self-selected as a candidate to believe bullshit. | ||
| So why care about this thing making sense? | ||
| JFK can both be a hero who's killed by the globalists for being into America and the one who introduced the UN plan to disarm the entire world. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| Anyway, I just think this is interesting because one of the things that I want to pay closer attention to and really highlight more is these instances where Alex has direct overlap with these more terroristic sides of the anti-communist world. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Professor Griff is coming, probably. | ||
| I already tossed out my malicious shit. | ||
| I gotta wait until Professor Griff comes. | ||
| I've signaled to the malicious. | ||
| I've complained that my show is not long enough so I can't get into the globalist playbook. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I still got 20 minutes before Griff comes, so I could... | ||
| No, I can't. | ||
| No, I just gotta vamp. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They want to wreck you. | ||
| They want to shut you down. | ||
| Do we have him? | ||
| Wow, Professor Griff. | ||
| I get to talk to him for the first time in person. | ||
| Here in about 20 seconds when we go to break, big fan of Public Enemy growing up. | ||
| You can't be. | ||
| You're not allowed. | ||
| You're not allowed. | ||
| And so we're going to come back with one of the icons of rap, hip-hop, and everything else, Professor Griff on the other side. | ||
| This is going to get deep, so stay with us. | ||
| It's going to get deep. | ||
| It's going to get deep. | ||
| So Alex introduces Griff here in this next clip. | ||
| Tuesday, the 12th day of March, 2013, and Professor Griff, one of the great granddaddies, one of the icons, one of the founders of rap and what is hip-hop. | ||
| I mean, you can't really think of anybody out there except a couple other guys who are up there at the top of the mountain. | ||
| Cool Herc. | ||
| Tons of people. | ||
| First things first. | ||
| Public Enemy was formed in 1986. | ||
| They were a really successful group pretty immediately with the 1987 release of their debut album Yo Bum Rush The Show, which was well received critically and by hip-hop fans. | ||
| In between the release of that album and their second album, Professor Griff gave an interview in the UK where he said that, quote, there's no place for gays. | ||
| Also, quote, Jews are responsible for most of the wickedness in the world, which many people suspect is him quoting Henry Ford's anti-Semitic publication, The International Jew. | ||
| And, quote, if Palestinians took up arms, went into Israel and killed all the Jews, it would be all right. | ||
| Professor Griff's unbridled bigotry got him kicked out of the group right as their wave was beginning to crest. | ||
| In the aftermath, Griff played the role of pretending to apologize so he could be Public Enemy's Minister of Truth again. | ||
| As recently as 2018, he's made public comments about Ashkenazi Jews as being intrinsically evil and that it's just common knowledge now. | ||
| People write books about it. | ||
| So I'm not entirely sure if I believe he was ever sorry for any of the awful shit that he did. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| No. | ||
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| Right. | ||
| It's called The Synagogue of Satan. | ||
| No. | ||
| While I don't have the time to read that book, I will say that one of the reviews of it is illuminating. | ||
| Quote, This book lifts the lid on the conspiracies and details of how the public has been duped. | ||
| It includes the complete protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which is a big scoop, as the Jews do not want the general public to know their plans for world domination. | ||
| Can't we get a copyright takedown of... | ||
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| I don't know. | ||
| I think it probably is. | ||
| I don't know if anyone owns the copyright. | ||
| Doesn't Disney own the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? | ||
| Ford probably. | ||
| I looked into it a little more, and what do you know? | ||
| One of the arguments put forth in that book is that the people alive today who call themselves Jews are actually the descendants of Esau. | ||
| Crazy to hear Professor Graf amplifying and promoting the same anti-Semitic conspiracies that are spread by people like Pastor David J. Smith and that are at the heart of the Christian identity movement. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Putting out their first album in 1987 does put Public Enemy in the earlier parts of hip-hop history, but there are a lot of people who came before them, like Grandmaster Flash, The Sugarhill Gang, Curtis Blow. | ||
| Run DMC's first album came out three years before Public Enemy's first album. | ||
| What I'm saying is that while Public Enemy holds a very important place in the history of the genre, they're considered to be in the second wave of the evolution, when the old-school aesthetics branched off into a ton of sub-genres. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| When It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back came out, that was the cement. | ||
| He sent them in fucking history level of album. | ||
| And Professor Griff wasn't involved. | ||
| No, he was. | ||
| Oh, no, that's right. | ||
| He was involved. | ||
| Fuck, that's right. | ||
| But before it was released, he'd given that interview. | ||
| And that interview didn't come to the surface until a couple years later. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I believe it was 89 when that interview actually came out. | ||
| And he got in trouble and then got kicked out of the group. | ||
| And then Chuck D brought him back. | ||
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Who knows? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Chuck D was on news radio. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So is Tone Loke. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex mentions that the public enemy is going to get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and then says something that can't possibly be true. | ||
| And they're on tour right now. | ||
| They're going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year. | ||
| And I've been following Professor Griff since I was about 11 years old. | ||
| What? | ||
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Alex was born in 1974. | |
| It would literally be impossible for him to have been following Professor Griff since he was 11, considering Public Enemy didn't form until 1986 when Alex was 12. I have a hard time believing that Alex, as an 11-year-old, was super into an obscure member of the Nation of Islam halfway across the world, I think when he was 11, he was a world-class stalker, maybe? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Also, I don't think that Alex would be into early public enemy. | ||
| Their first album was deeply black nationalist, and from everything Alex claims to believe in, he is super against that. | ||
| They explicitly endorsed Farrakhan on their 1987 single, Bring the Noise, so I don't know how Alex could pretend not to know what they're about. | ||
| Also, it's wild to think that Professor Griff was part of the group when they got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, considering he was kicked out and he almost legitimately ruined all of their careers. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's actually really interesting, the news radio episode in this context now, because literally what goes on is Phil Hartman's character rails about the dangers and evils of hip-hop. | ||
| And then when Chuck D., the celebrity, comes on, he's like, I love hip-hop and you are amazing. | ||
| And Alex is doing exactly... | ||
| Exactly that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely that. | ||
| He's real dealing it. | ||
| Yeah, he is real dealing it. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| This interview isn't that great. | ||
| It's mostly forgettable. | ||
| There's a point when Professor Griff gets a text message and Alex tries to present it as someone hacking his phone and listening in. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| He gets a text. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's a lot of Alex being like, I love you. | ||
| You're great. | ||
| I think you're one of the best. | ||
| And then they get into, like, mind control in music. | ||
| And that's when I got a specific that I decided I wanted to look into. | ||
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This is David Rio. | |
| Steven Jacobson, in his book, Mind Control in America, he talked about these particular techniques in depth. | ||
| And it's something that Steven Jacobson laid out that needs to be studied. | ||
| This whole idea of backward masking and double speech and these kind of things that we use in and out of the music industry. | ||
| All right. | ||
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All right. | |
| You gave me a specific. | ||
| I'll look into that. | ||
| A whole lot of this interview, I should tell you, is just Alex and Professor Griff. | ||
| It's just Griff laying out his theory that the powers that be are trying to feminize the black man through hip-hop. | ||
| His evidence of this seems to be his belief that Will Smith and Quincy Jones are gay, which is something that he insinuates heavily but is very careful not to say explicitly, which is a strategy that I think Griff has been forced to get pretty good at over the years. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex sees a kindred spirit. | ||
| The rest of it is just vague accusations of generalized mind control and Illuminati conspiracies in the music industry. | ||
| Interestingly, Griff's arguments about these are less rooted in his personal experience than they are in him hearing Alex Jones and David Icke yell about the topic, at which point he tried to make his experiences mirror their narratives. | ||
| From listening to him speak, it's really hard for me to not think that this is just basically Alex interviewing a marginal celebrity about how they've used his narratives in their own life. | ||
| One specific Griff does offer is in that clip is a book called Mind Control in the United States written by Steven Jacobson. | ||
| This book and Jacobson and all other mediums try to make the argument that the problem with people today is that they're being taught things that are not true. | ||
| How can we possibly navigate the world around us if everywhere we're turned we're confronted with things that are not true? | ||
| God, I agree with you, but I'm almost 100% positive that you're the one who's peddling lies. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's what I think, too. | ||
| These arguments will be fun to explore. | ||
| And I think that our podcast has a lot of this theme to it. | ||
| So, you know, attempting to navigate the right-wing media sphere where lies are very slickly presented as truth. | ||
| So I thought, hey, what the fuck? | ||
| Maybe I should check this guy's book out. | ||
| Maybe there's something to be learned here. | ||
| Let me start by putting this very bluntly. | ||
| There's not. | ||
| Steven Jacobson is a lunatic. | ||
| Here's how he argues against evolution. | ||
| Oh boy! | ||
| We're already there! | ||
| Quote, "Man is a blend of indigenous ape forms and the celestial beings who arrived upon the planet and adapted to the primate organic body because of the greater dexterity possessed by the hand and thumb. | ||
| They cohabitated with the primate forms and the progeny was the first true man. | ||
| The inheritance of animal traits still lingers in man, making so many spiritual beings beastly Okay, so if I understand correctly, humans didn't evolve, but apes met venom? | ||
| And the symbiotes came together and now some of us are crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| This is a painfully stupid book, full of appeals to occult knowledge and psychic abilities. | ||
| It's also weirdly fairly anti-communist, but that kind of makes sense when you read the postscript. | ||
| Quote, I received a copy of Gary Allen's None Dare Call It Conspiracy. | ||
| I began to study the conspiracy theory of history. | ||
| He cites none dare call it conspiracy ten times in the footnotes, along with W. Cleon Skousen's Naked Capitalist. | ||
| The politics are the same old anti-communist conspiracy bullshit we see at the source of all of these people's worldviews, with just a little bit of fun New Age horse shit added on top. | ||
| I'm listening to this Professor Griff interview, and already he's cited two completely insane, full of bullshit books, and he's cited them as authoritative sources. | ||
| So I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's not a guy who has a very rigorous fact-checking or critical analysis routine in place that he goes through before he decides to believe something. | ||
| Also, small point, he's been an overt anti-Semite for decades. | ||
| So when he's out here talking about mind control and the New World Order and the Illuminati... | ||
| You have to be a complete idiot to not use available context clues to deduce there's a very high likelihood that he believes the New World Order is run by Jews. | ||
| It might be a productive question for Alex to ask that, but I suspect he's worried what the answer might be, and he doesn't want that on the show. | ||
| Fucking Christ. | ||
| I hate these people. | ||
| I fucking hate these people, Dan. | ||
| I hate them so much. | ||
| I hate them so much. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| I don't know how to deal with how much hate I am experiencing right now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's so weird how there's so many connections. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even between, like, Professor Griff, the book he cites ends up citing none dare call it conspiracy and scowsing a ton and also thinks that evolution isn't true because angels. | ||
| So Alex has this interview with Professor Griff, and they have a great time. | ||
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Oh, of course. | |
| It's a fine time. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's very boring. | ||
| Real deal with it. | ||
| So now Alex moves on to another guest. | ||
| He's got another guest. | ||
| I had a chance a while back to hear this gentleman on Coast to Coast AM, and I've been wanting to get him on, and I've kind of told my producers but then forgotten about it a while back, and I guess it fell through, and then Richard Reeves came in and he said, you know, Dr. Glidden, who we're a big fan of, and he's here on the Genesis Network. | ||
| Dr. Peter Glidden, he says this is a guy you really ought to interview, who's worked with Longevity and others a whole bunch of times. | ||
| We'll have him break down the story to sue the Food and Drug Administration to make them back off trying to shut down being able to buy vitamins and minerals and supplements over the counter. | ||
| I mean, if you have one illness from a supplement, it's national news. | ||
| So, Alex's next guest is a lawyer who works for Yongevity. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This show is so insane, because I'm listening to this episode, and Alex says that his next guest is Yongevity's lawyer, and my response is, yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| I'm no longer even close to shocked that Alex's medical guests all seem to have financial ties to one of his main sponsors, so why should it be any surprise that his legal experts do, too? | ||
| I swear to God, if it's Barnes, I wish it was. | ||
| Yeah, that would be amazing. | ||
| That would be so amazing. | ||
| That would be so good. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| What I'm more interested in here, though, is that Alex's claim there at the end that if you get one person sick from supplements, that's a huge news story. | ||
| Supplements are safe, Jordan! | ||
| Nah, that is... | ||
| Wildly untrue. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| According to a 2015 study in the New England Journal of Medicine, at least 23,000 people get sent to the emergency room every year for reasons that are directly traced back to I'm glad that we've seen that statistic. | ||
| Our government has decided, you know what, it's time to regulate the... | ||
| They certainly haven't. | ||
| Oh, they haven't? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| The author of the study, who's a doctor at the CDC, was quick to point out that it's way more likely that this is an underestimation than an exaggeration of the problem. | ||
| One of the main problems is that because of the Dietary Supplements, Health, and Education Act of 1994, the FDA is forbidden from reviewing supplements before they're sold. | ||
| They can only intervene sometimes when the supplement is shown to be dangerous. | ||
| This applies also to not just the supplements themselves, but also to packaging. | ||
| That 2015 study found that a significant number of the injuries from supplements came from children who could easily access the pills because they weren't required to be in childproof packaging. | ||
| A 2017 Business Insider article reports that the supplement industry is a $37 billion market. | ||
| When you look at it in that context, it starts to make sense why it's almost entirely unregulated. | ||
| Selling people false hope and ineffective pills is an evergreen business model, and these people have a whole lot to lose if the government starts to take the issue seriously. | ||
| The big companies in a $37 billion industry are very well positioned to hire all the attorneys and lobbyists they need to make sure that their business stays unregulated and they can continue to basically defraud naive people. | ||
| And that's why we need to keep money in politics, Dan. | ||
| Citizens United was the greatest Supreme Court decision in the history of the world. | ||
| There are so many problems with people taking supplements, even beyond just the pure some-of-them-can-hurt-or-kill-you angle. | ||
| When people take supplements, they often don't tell doctors about them when they're asked if they're on any medications, since people don't consider them to be medications. | ||
| Well, if it's a gummy, then it can't be a medication, Dan. | ||
| Unfortunately, even if they're not medications, they can definitely interfere with real medicine. | ||
| St. John's Wort, for example, can severely impair the effectiveness of antibiotics, birth control, and other drugs. | ||
| If doctors don't know you're taking it, they can prescribe you something for an infection and you'll be basically just getting no treatment. | ||
| When the antibiotics don't work, people are then likely to take it as proof that traditional medicine doesn't work and become more drawn to supplements as if it's actual medical care. | ||
| There have been plenty of deaths tied to supplement use and plenty more where supplements played a part in the death and it wasn't caught by doctors. | ||
| For Alex to pretend that this isn't the case is disgraceful. | ||
| And the only reason he would be doing that is either because he doesn't know what he's talking about or because he's a bought and paid shill for a supplement company. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or both. | ||
| I would give him both. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| Yeah, I would say that he's probably been... | ||
| I mean, even in his own... | ||
| I'm guessing that now he's kind of disabused himself of the notion that supplements can't fuck up your brain. | ||
| By 2019? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He's living proof. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| That's not the case. | ||
| But I could buy in 2013 since he's probably not... | ||
| Overdoing the longevity supplements that he'd be convinced by their propaganda, too, of like, hey, these are actually good for you and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Natural solutions. | ||
| Or he's living in a space where it's more just like, it's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| So anyway, this lawyer is coming on, but it's not just him. | ||
| There's more. | ||
| Professor Griff's lawyer. | ||
| I'm doing like a pitch as if I'm QVC. | ||
| Not just this lawyer. | ||
| We're going to have to put a clock on this one, Dan. | ||
| So I wanted to get Jonathan W. Emord on with us. | ||
| Again, EMORD.com. | ||
| And I also wanted to get Dr. Peter Glidden, FireYourMDNow.com, naturopathic doctor, host of FireMDNow, which airs here on the Genesis Network. | ||
| It airs on the Genesis Network, and Glidden is also one of the spokespeople for Yongevity that we've talked about in the past. | ||
| So he has the lawyer on with the doctor from Yongevity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's called Synergy, Dan. | ||
| This lawyer that Alex is interviewing here on the show is a guy by the name of Jonathan Emord. | ||
| And from everything I can tell, he's basically just made a career out of taking on cases that seek to cripple government regulation of non-medical medicine. | ||
| His claim to fame is that he's beaten the FDA in court more than anybody else, and I guess I believe that's probably true. | ||
| In 2010, he won a suit against the FDA that allowed supplement companies to make, quote, qualified health claims about their products. | ||
| Thus, they can say that their product might help with a certain condition or reduce the risk of it, but they also have to include a disclaimer that says, quote, scientific evidence concerning this claim is inconclusive. | ||
| Based on its review, the FDA does not agree. | ||
| That's a pretty big win, since most people don't read disclaimers. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| An unreally big win. | ||
| It might as well have just been an unqualified win. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Emord has made a career of helping people get murdered by unregulated markets. | ||
| He's been involved in a number of other similar lawsuits, and because of it, he's become something of a hero in the supplement world. | ||
| His litigation has genuinely allowed them all sorts of wiggle room that they need in order to defraud tons of people totally legally. | ||
| In most of his lawsuits, EMARD is representing an organization called the Alliance for Natural Health USA. | ||
| And the main cases use Dirk Peterson and Sandy Shaw as their defendants. | ||
| Pearson and Shaw are supplement designers who make their money by licensing their products to companies who sell them. | ||
| So it goes like this. | ||
| The Federal Trade Commission wants to enforce a rule, like, you can't make health claims about your product unless you have two clinical trials to serve as the basis for your claim. | ||
| Then, EMORD's law office will petition the FTC, saying, quote, FTC requirements have a chilling effect on Pearson and Shaw, who have ordered their licensees not to communicate to the public on labels and labeling or in advertising any claim of association between the products they sell and immune system enhancement, loss or relief of temporary irregularity for fear that the FTC will deem the claims deceptive advertising. | ||
| I'm using quotes because I was reading from his 2011 petition to the FTC. | ||
| By framing the argument this way, by saying it's a free speech thing, they can't speak to their customers, by doing it that way, the supplement industry sets up a win-win situation. | ||
| The FTC can agree with their petition and allow them to make scientifically unsupported claims, or the FTC can disagree, and then they can go around yelling It's a trap. | ||
| Quack Watch lists this sort of framing as one of the main hallmarks of questionable organizations, saying it is, quote, nothing more than a ploy to persuade legislators to permit the marketing of quack methods without legal restraints. | ||
| Another hallmark that they use of questionable organizations is that the organization opposes proven health measures, like fluoridation. | ||
| According to Source Watch, the Alliance for Natural Health USA was a founding member of the Fluoride Action Network, so it sounds like that's two strikes. | ||
| For a third strike, let's just go ahead and say that Jonathan E. Moore is a member of the Longevity Hall of Fame, which is something to insane. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I now know that exists. | ||
| Even if I deserve to be on the Longevity Hall of Fame, please do not put me up there. | ||
| I don't want that on a posterity's list of things for me. | ||
| Unfortunately, I can't find a list of people on the Hall of Fame, which is, I thought that's what the Hall of Fame was all about. | ||
| It's just to honor people, but I guess it's not. | ||
| They don't want to have a list out there, but if I had to guess, it's probably mostly shitheads. | ||
| Do you mean a list of fucking second-degree murderers? | ||
| Anyway, Jonathan Neymard is the lawyer that the supplement industry calls whenever the FDA or FTC is suggesting a rule that would advance public health but hurt their business. | ||
| He's also a lawyer for Longevity, but the only cases I could find of him representing them aren't even for supplement-related stuff. | ||
| They're for, like, business dealings. | ||
| So... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The FTC proposes a rule saying, please don't lie, please don't lie by omission, and please don't lie by implication. | ||
| And they go, what if we just lied a bunch, but a little bit differently than those? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, the interview is mostly Alex jumping back and forth from Glidden and Emord, and it's all just... | ||
| To say that the supplement industry is under attack. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| And you should probably buy gold and all that stuff. | ||
| In this next clip, though, one of the folks here, Dr. Glidden, kind of makes things a little too overt about what he wants to see happen in the world. | ||
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Quite frankly, Alex, I couldn't be happier if the medical system collapses because we have taken the wrong dog to the hunt. | |
| I mean, the medical system doesn't need to be streamlined. | ||
| The drug companies don't need to be reined in. | ||
| There doesn't need to be more checks and balances, less regulation or more regulation. | ||
| The reason that our health is going to hell in a handbasket is because we've taken the wrong dog to the hunt. | ||
| What he's saying there is that we... | ||
| We have Western medicine and this medical system that we have, and we've chosen that as opposed to his supplements and weirdo shit. | ||
| What we should be doing is taking more ginkgo fucking biloba than getting goddamn fucking Christ. | ||
| And so his solution to it is, you know, we don't need to deregulate. | ||
| We don't need to overhaul anything. | ||
| We need to destroy the medical establishment. | ||
| I think if you lead with that, people are not going to get on board with you. | ||
| Usually that's a bad idea. | ||
| It's probably a bad opening volley, especially when you're trying... | ||
| I mean, what you're doing is... | ||
| It involves so many aspects of health policy. | ||
| You would kill so many people. | ||
| Oh, and on... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost shocking to imagine the number... | ||
| Do they just allow anybody to be a doctor? | ||
| He actually legally can't call himself a doctor. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's a naturopath. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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All right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I was going to say... | ||
| So in some states, he can't call himself a doctor. | ||
| I thought he was an actual doctor. | ||
| If he's a naturopath, he's just a liar. | ||
| He complains about how he got in trouble for calling himself a doctor on this episode. | ||
| That's how I know that he can't call himself a doctor. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So... | ||
| One of the things that I don't want to sit around and just listen to these people talk about their propaganda about the supplement industry. | ||
| I just want to highlight that this is all just a longevity ad. | ||
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So anything that makes a therapeutic claim is automatically categorized as a drug. | |
| So it's a pharmaceutical monopoly. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Jonathan W. Emord, we're going to come back with him. | ||
| We're going into overdrive with Dr. Glidden today. | ||
| Visit InfoWarsHealth.com for the very best Longevity products discounted. | ||
| InfoWarsHealth.com. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| So that's what it all comes down to. | ||
| You might have heard there that he says we're going into overdrive with Dr. Glidden the whole fourth hour. | ||
| Is all an ad? | ||
| An infomercial of Dr. Glidden. | ||
| No way. | ||
| So when Alex was earlier complaining about how he doesn't have the time to get the globalist playbook out and he needs his show to be longer, he solves one problem. | ||
| His show is longer on this episode. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's just supplement sales. | ||
| He knew exactly what was going to happen and that was his preemptive defense. | ||
| I suspect that is the case. | ||
| That's exactly what that was. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| I do wonder... | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| I do wonder if there's craft there. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| It's hard for me to say, but I think it's probable. | ||
| Yeah, there's no way that he got a fucking thing in his ear three hours ago and like, how about we do a full hour? | ||
| That's the one thing that was in a production meeting. | ||
| It's, you know, I mean, there's coordination that needs to be involved. | ||
| You know, Glidden's schedule. | ||
| He's got to have time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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No, that's pre-planned. | |
| I think it's entirely possible. | ||
| And if it is the case. | ||
| Shady. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
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Shady. | |
| What bullshit. | ||
| And that hour could have been used to lay out the Globalist Playbook. | ||
| Of course it could. | ||
| Could have at least dipped your toe into it. | ||
| Could have just read the protocols there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, anyway, we come to the end of this 11th and 12th stretch in 2013. | ||
| I think there's definitely some interesting meat in here, but Alex is... | ||
| He is so far adrift, I don't even know what's going on anymore in the past. | ||
| And again, we're talking about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I mean, we're tracing that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But I do think that we're in a lull before, the calm before the storm. | ||
| Because I think it's coming. | ||
| I think that some people... | ||
| I have speculated about this, and I think some other people have as well, that it becomes deeply entwined with the Boston bombing that happens in April. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So we're in this March stretch where I don't know if a ton is going to happen, but it does offer us these great insights into Alex's former position on Kim Jong-un. | ||
| No, no, I know. | ||
| Alex interviewing Professor Griff like he is one of the most important celebrities in the world. | ||
| And referencing the old-timers. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| There's an opportunity to learn about a lot of stuff along the way before we get there, and that's a good use of our time, I believe. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| No, no, no, I'm not saying that. | ||
| It's so fascinating to me that his show is... | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| It is all over the place. | ||
| And there are stunning parallels between the present and 2013 that are... | ||
| I mean, you're a goddamn witch. | ||
| Every time something happens in the present, we're just going back through a certain date in 2013, and there's a one-to-one comparison there. | ||
| Well, I mean, some of that is... | ||
| In referencing the Minutemen in the context of fucking 8chan today is bananas to me. | ||
| Right, but some of that is because the same things that are... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Cultural Marxism or replacement fears. | ||
| A lot of it is using the same operating system that these right-wing extremists always have. | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| Which is a giant piece of anti-communism. | ||
| And the world that the people who were primarily motivated by anti-communism created. | ||
| That paradigm exists throughout a ton of extremism. | ||
| And that doesn't change. | ||
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No, of course. | |
| And so when we see those parallels, it is always kind of shocking because it's like, holy shit, that's crazy. | ||
| It's also not that surprising. | ||
| It shouldn't be, because Alex is a piece of the continuum of right-wing terrorism, stochastic or actual. | ||
| And I think you just have to deal with that. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, why would they stop doing the exact same propaganda tricks if they are continuing to work? | ||
| Of course there are parallels between... | ||
| I mean, fucking the beginning of the protocols of the elders of Zion worked so well that they just kept on rolling with it, and we still haven't figured out a fix for it. | ||
| There's no patch for this bullshit. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So why not? | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| There'll be parallels in 2025. | ||
| I think if we don't figure it out, there will be. | ||
| There won't be any parallels to be had in 2025. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if it would be that extreme. | ||
| I'm being hyperbolic. | ||
| It is something that will continue to be a problem until we figure it out. | ||
| And I don't mean we like you and I. No, of course not. | ||
| I mean, as a society, there's a lot we need to figure out. | ||
| And one of the things is, what is behind all of this that's been going on for a long time? | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back with the present-day episode, which will be a ray of sunshine on Wednesday. | ||
| Yeah, I'm really not looking forward to this one. | ||
| Well, we'll see. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| That's why I did Plant Watch as a question, because every question that I was thinking of went to a very dark place. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's the natural reaction to have right now, and I hope everyone is... | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, be well. | ||
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| We do. | ||
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| We are. | ||
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| You could also leave a review there. | ||
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| I'm going to grow one of those in my apartment. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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| The sap. | ||
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So that's where you can get our episode. | |
| All right. | ||
| We're not doing... | ||
| Until next time. | ||
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There aren't a lot of people who haven't committed a murder. | |
| Steven Jacobson. | ||
| It appears that he wrote a very dumb book. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't know if he killed anybody. | ||
| It seems like he spent most of his time writing... | ||
| A dumb book. | ||
| A dumb book. | ||
| But he didn't kill anybody. | ||
| But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |