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July 31, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
02:21:25
#326: July 26-29, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on the present day of the Alex Jones Show to see what's going on. The gents find Alex dipping his toe deep into the pool of racism, getting weird about Area 51, and vaguely threatening Trump if he doesn't intervene to protect Instagram memes.

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alex jones
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dan friesen
01:30:54
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jordan holmes
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your world.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Have you ever had something important stolen from you?
Maybe not necessarily important, but...
dan friesen
I thought my car got stolen once, but it just got lost.
Like, I had left it in front of somebody else's house.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I was out partying.
I was a much younger man, and I left my car in front of somebody's house.
Completely forgot that it was there, and I woke up the next morning and thought it had been stolen.
I wandered around like, oh, here it is.
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't think I really had too much...
Theft problems in my life.
jordan holmes
Well, that's good.
dan friesen
Are you getting at something?
No, not at all.
jordan holmes
No, I was just curious.
I think the only thing I've ever had stolen from me for real was a Super Mario World cartridge that was stolen from me when I was in junior high.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Other stuff has been stolen, but I haven't really cared about it.
dan friesen
I'm certain that I've had things like that happen over the course of my life, but I've let that shit go.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
jordan holmes
I don't know why I remember that one in specific.
It's just a formative, theftual experience for me.
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
Not a big stealing things in my life.
jordan holmes
I think we should all be grateful.
dan friesen
It's one of those things, man.
Sometimes your questions lead to something fantastic and sometimes they are dead ends.
jordan holmes
It's not my fault.
dan friesen
And that is the nature of this show.
jordan holmes
Indeed it is.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and not much about the experience of being the victim of theft.
jordan holmes
And I only know what you tell me.
unidentified
About both.
dan friesen
That's correct.
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're back in the present day.
It's been a while since we had to, you know, accommodate the move and what have you, but we are back, and we'll be going over July 26th through 29th.
It is Friday through Monday of, you know, last week into this week, and I would say that there's some interesting stuff in here, and also...
A load of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So, before we get into that, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you to people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
We really appreciate it.
So, first, Kevin, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thanks, Kevin.
Next, Mike, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Mike.
dan friesen
Next, Alex, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Alex.
dan friesen
Next, David, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk!
jordan holmes
Thank you, Davey!
dan friesen
Next, Donnie.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Thanks, Donnie.
dan friesen
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a few people who have signed up and are supporting the show on an elevated level.
We really appreciate it, but this sound effect is too long.
jordan holmes
It's so long.
dan friesen
We need to attempt this as a group.
And if any of you who are being clustered into this group take offense at that, please feel free to shoot me an email and I will make it up to you with your own drop or something.
I hope there is no offense taken by this, but we need to...
Pick up the pace.
So, Phillip, Lang, and Cornelia, thank you so much.
You are all technocrats.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Philip Lang and Cornelia.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Philip.
Thank you, Lang.
And thank you, Cornelia.
dan friesen
You are all spectacular technocrats.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If you'd like to sign up and support the show, if you appreciate what we do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It would be delightful.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, what we got here in front of us is a Friday episode where Alex is just, he's not there.
Owen Schroer hosts the show.
But Alex does call in and he gives a little bit of content for us to get into.
And it's really boring, it's stupid.
But he does say one thing that I think is very interesting.
And it's about his father's influence on him as a younger man.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It's not just...
Alex Jones.
And it's not just Lord Moncton that know that the French Revolution was the precursor of the communists.
That the very same institutions and groups financed the takedown of Russia and China and are trying it now.
People are taught this in college who were part of the establishment.
And I've said this many times.
I'm not even trying to get my dad on the air, though.
He's not a...
I'm an extrovert these days, like he used to be.
He's more of an introvert.
But my dad told me all of this when I was a little kid.
He gave me books about the French Revolution.
He explained how the communists operate.
And it's just all mainline history.
dan friesen
So these ideas that there is this grander conspiracy behind all of these world events, taking out the czar in Russia, the global communism, the French Revolution, all of this is being done by the same people, is the belief system espoused by Trump?
The person we talked about on our last episode, David J. Smith.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
The Christian identity preacher who Alex learned a lot from.
jordan holmes
As well as his dad.
dan friesen
Alex is now saying that this exact same sort of worldview was taught to him by his dad when he was younger.
It's his mainstream history.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's troubling to me.
jordan holmes
Dad, can we have a catch?
dan friesen
No!
jordan holmes
Let me teach you about communism.
dan friesen
Listen to this weirdo preacher from Waxahachie.
It does lead me to believe that there may be a little bit more to that idea that maybe his dad was funneling some of these Christian identity beliefs to him at a young age.
And maybe that's a bigger part of the story than we realized.
jordan holmes
They're running in crazy circles from the very beginning.
dan friesen
It's possible.
You're seeing little indications here and there that there might be some fertile soil there.
So that's all for the 26th.
Because I'm sure he was hosting.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So we jump to Sunday.
And I wasn't expecting too much on Sunday, because Alex generally phones a lot of those in.
But I turned it in, and Alex is on some real crazy bullshit.
Like, he is insanely revved up, ready to go, and he has got a narrative that he believes is going to be, like...
Game-changing.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And it's real stupid.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
And, you know, I get, Mr. President, you're 73 and everything, and you don't know how the Internet really works, but I'm going to explain something.
In the last three days, more accounts have been lost on Facebook and Twitter of your bonafide supporters than you have on both of your Twitters, your Instagram, and everything else.
200 million followers.
On major accounts, two of the accounts had 70 million together, 74 million together.
One had 40-something million, one 30 million.
The sites were getting hundreds of millions of views of your damn videos.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
alex jones
You don't think they put you unfiltered on CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, where they only have a million viewers maybe.
These little meme channels were bigger than Fox News!
But all the little fancy outfits and all the suits and all the consultants and that incestuous douchebag that is the Republican establishment.
Excuse my French here.
jordan holmes
Douchebag?
dan friesen
He lost track of that sentence.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was really swinging for something and he like...
His arm went out of socket.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And he was like, ah, fucking douchebag!
jordan holmes
He was about to say they couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
dan friesen
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
That was bananas.
dan friesen
He was in the neighborhood of that metaphor.
Yeah.
So this is part of Alex really talking directly to Trump through a lot of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is weird.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I don't know if you can glean what's going on here.
jordan holmes
Well, I believe Alex is still pissed off that he's not on Facebook.
dan friesen
That is ultimately what we're going to get back to.
Certainly that's what's motivating a lot of this.
jordan holmes
So now he's trying to backdoor that?
If Trump focuses on the millions of followers that he lost on those meme accounts, then naturally that's going to trickle down.
To Alex being put back on Facebook.
dan friesen
I mean, I think you're probably right in terms of motivation.
Yes.
So you didn't hear about this story?
Of millions of people being kicked off Instagram?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
I don't give a fuck about Instagram.
dan friesen
Well, it's also not true.
jordan holmes
Okay, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Alex is really exaggerating this story here.
He's trying to make it sound like 200 million people have been kicked off Instagram, presumably because they support Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
These are your supporters.
jordan holmes
200 million people support Donald Trump?
Worldwide?
dan friesen
You have to pay close attention to the words he's using.
He says that 200 million followers...
Which is different than 200 million people were kicked off.
That could just be one account that has 200 million people following it being shut down.
Now 200 million follows have been lost.
What Alex is doing is trying to over-inflate the scope of this purge from Instagram where some meme accounts got kicked off.
If you want to call it a purge, I'm not entirely sure.
To give you some perspective, if 200 million accounts were kicked off Instagram, that would represent twice the number of people who use Instagram in the United States being kicked off.
That would be them removing approximately one-fifth of their entire subscriber base, which would completely cripple their business.
It's the sort of claim that's Yeah, yeah, of course.
In reality, the number of followers of the affected accounts is probably lower than 200 million, and whatever number anyone can come up with doesn't take into account that there's probably heavy overlap in the followers of these meme accounts.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So the number is exaggerated, overinflated anyway.
So, on Thursday and Friday of last week, approximately 30 meme accounts on Instagram were banned, with a spokesman for the company saying that they were, quote, disabled following multiple violations of our policies, including attempted abuse of our internal processes.
I'm preparing this episode and we're recording, it's not 100% clear exactly what the policy violations are, but given how shady large social media accounts tend to be, I'm willing to suspend judgment for the time being and wait and see what information comes out later before I take a really firm position on this.
Okay.
unidentified
We've seen countless examples of people gaming social media systems for profit, from the people who set up syndicates to make tweets go viral for a fee to the Krasenstein brothers, so it doesn't seem too unbelievable to assume that these accounts that got banned last week may have been up to some shit that Instagram wanted to Yeah, they're just abusing the system like a bunch of assholes.
dan friesen
Right.
For some context, in situations like this, it's best to find examples of times that things like this have happened before and why they've happened before.
And in this case, it's super easy.
jordan holmes
The French Revolution.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes, there we go.
dan friesen
In late December 2018, Instagram had another purge of accounts that violated their policies.
In that instance, a spokesman for Instagram told the Daily Dot, quote, We've seen behavior on Instagram whereby some usernames, for example, usernames which contain a single word, letter, or number, are stolen or traded.
This behavior violates our policies in a number of ways.
We don't allow people to buy, sell, or trade aspects of their account, including usernames.
We're consistently taking steps to disincentivize and stop this behavior, including removing accounts that violate our policies.
This is part of an ongoing process.
Like, social media companies create new rules to cut down on scamming.
Then the scammers find new ways around that rule and the process just starts over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a tale as old as time.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Instagram's been working on this since at least 2014 when they banned millions of entirely fake accounts.
When I see something like what happened last week, it's pretty easy for me to see this as probably just another step in the process of fine-tuning their way, like, making it so you can't...
Exploit people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because I did see that the Krasenstein brothers had been absolutely selling.
dan friesen
From everything I can tell, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
And they were like, no, we totally weren't.
And then there's shit tons of screenshots of them doing exactly that.
dan friesen
It appears that that is definitely what they were up to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But we'll see what happens with this Instagram thing.
I see every reason to suspend judgment and see like, oh, these accounts very well may have been breaking their rules.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I also looked over the screen names for all the ones that were banned.
And, like, obviously, I'm not some fucking meme guy out there cruising Instagram for all the freshest memes.
jordan holmes
You are not doing it for the gram.
That is true.
dan friesen
But I looked through all the account names, and none of them were, like, MAGA 2020.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
None of them had associations with Trump or nationalism.
jordan holmes
I love Trump, 69, 69. No.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know that these were actually even accounts that were making Trump memes.
Some of them...
Very well may have been.
Sure.
It wasn't like Count Dankulo.
It was in the mix or something.
Anyway.
Also, if Alex Jones cared at all about social media purges and shadow bans and all that shit that he talks about all the time, if he weren't just trying to bring up these topics for completely self-serving positions and his wounded narcissism, by now I would have imagined that he would bring up how sex workers are being pushed off social media spaces at least once.
In the time that I've listened to him, and I've never heard him bring that up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you really would think that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because it does seem like he would have to be...
He would be okay with that.
dan friesen
He's a libertarian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
Shouldn't he be like, sex workers should absolutely have...
dan friesen
He's a fucking libertarian.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
So, the reason Alex is freaking out so much about this and exaggerating it to such an extreme level is twofold.
The first is what you pointed out already.
He wants to get back on social media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
It's exhausting for him to have to try and keep doing these public stunts in order to keep his name in the public's eye.
but if he doesn't do that his audience is going to slowly dwindle and he's going to go out of business second alex is keenly aware that these syndicates of interconnected meme distributors who are able to create artificial virality are really the best option left for disseminating propaganda on social media if social media companies are starting to address that problem on their platform he knows that his ideas are going to have to compete on a level playing ground with other Yeah, that's not good.
jordan holmes
If you can't win, cheat.
dan friesen
So this is one of Alex's gigantic narratives, and he is freaking out about it.
I have to be super clear about this.
He's trying to imply And we'll directly say that it's 200 million people got kicked off Instagram, which is complete and utter bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's insane.
dan friesen
The only way to justify using that number in any way is to say that the small number of accounts that got kicked off had large followings.
Who are still on Instagram.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Right.
It's completely insane.
jordan holmes
That's like when he said that he had 3 billion listeners worldwide.
And you're like, really?
dan friesen
In the aggregate.
jordan holmes
Really?
40% of the world listens to your show.
dan friesen
Right.
Including babies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, of course.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, he gets to another terrifying reality that we are facing.
With Instagram cracking down on these dank meme promoters.
jordan holmes
You just love saying dank meme, don't you?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel weird saying it.
I feel like I'm really out of my lane.
jordan holmes
You feel so...
It's weird.
Every time I say it, I feel so fucking old.
dan friesen
It's the...
I feel exactly the same way I would feel if I tried to wear a hat backwards.
Just like, don't do it.
jordan holmes
No, that would not work well with you.
dan friesen
So there's a war on memes, Jordan.
This Instagram thing is a part of it, and then there's more.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And they've almost passed a bill in the House of Representatives right now, bipartisan, to give people $30,000 fines for memes.
I'm not joking.
jordan holmes
Which ones?
alex jones
Go straight to jail.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's where this country has gone.
$15,000 to $30,000 fines.
That's the same thing they passed in Europe last year.
My listeners thought I was making it up and didn't think it was real.
unidentified
It's the law in Europe.
dan friesen
I kind of like that vocal flourish there.
alex jones
It's the law in Europe.
dan friesen
So in this narrative, Alex is misrepresenting the Copyright Alternative and Small Claims Enforcement Act of 2019, or the CASE Act.
The act is designed to make it easier for holders of copyrights to protect their copyrighted protected work without having to subject themselves to lengthy and expensive court proceedings.
It would mostly involve creating small claims court mechanisms to simplify the process and expedite it and make it so you don't have to exert tons.
Because that does disincentivize people from Protecting what is theirs.
What they have intellectual rights to.
jordan holmes
If it costs you more to fight against it than it would be to just ignore it, then why the hell would you fight against it?
dan friesen
Right, when you have every reason to fight.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Ultimately, this legislation is not just a way to outlaw memes.
Although memes could definitely be seriously affected.
But here's the thing.
What people are doing with memes, in many cases, is already illegal.
When it involves clearly copyrighted material, it's...
Technically illegal.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
People are allowed to get away with it because most of the time the copyright holders know it's more hassle than it's worth to go after someone who's illegally breaching their copyright.
The Case Act doesn't make anything illegal that was previously legal.
It really is just about making it easier for people to protect their own intellectual property.
And for Alex, someone who's super into property rights, it doesn't make sense for him to be opposed to people being able to defend their property.
jordan holmes
Unless you are.
unidentified
Hold on.
dan friesen
Obviously, this kind of legislation could have a huge impact on memes, but I find it very difficult to imagine that even if the Case Act does succeed in going through, they would have much of an effect on how individual users of social media platforms used memes.
I think it would just make it easier to sue people with large platforms who profit off using copyrighted material and defend themselves by saying, it's just a meme.
unidentified
I can't think of anyone who might.
dan friesen
It's hard to hear Alex misrepresenting the story and not think about how he just had to pay Matt Fury, the creator of Pepe the Frog, $15,000 for using his copyrighted material in a poster that Infowars sold on their website.
jordan holmes
Seems odd.
dan friesen
The case act, had it been in place, would have been a big problem for Alex's legal strategy in that case.
Immediately after Fury and Alex reached their settlement, Alex had his lawyer Robert Barnes on his show to discuss the case.
Their angle on it was crystal clear, and it was basically boiled down to, if you want to spend a ton of money suing Alex and then win $15,000, go ahead.
They weren't defending their innocence or saying that they were right.
They were clearly signaling that their legal strategy was to create circumstances where it is way too costly for anyone to fight Alex in court, so they give up.
Or they don't even bring the suit in the first place.
That's one of the ways Alex protects himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's very similar to what debt collectors, like there are so many people who will buy debt from credit card companies and then they'll take you to court.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But you, you know, most of them never show up.
All that happens is they wind up losing their case because they didn't show up.
And if you show up, you'd find out that the...
dan friesen
I've had a number of friends beat traffic tickets that way.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Just by showing up, you automatically...
It doesn't always work, obviously.
But in a number of instances, it's not worth it to pay the cop to go to court.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And you just end up...
It gets thrown out.
For sure.
If the case act goes through, Alex is far more vulnerable on matters of copyright.
I can't say for sure it would lead to any actual suits being filed, but the number of potential suits have to be something that really fucking worries him.
I suspect that this is what's motivating him to misrepresent this story as if it's the end of the world.
Also, to his point that the Case Act is being discussed now because it's like he's presenting it as like the globalists are making their move and it's a way to take out Trump to take over the Internet.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This exact same act was introduced in October 2017.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
So I kind of also find it funny that Alex brings up how this is the same as what was passed in Europe last year, partially because it was passed in March 2019 and because the EU rules.
That's not lies here.
Also, because the EU rules that were passed are a completely different thing than what Alex is talking about, or even what the Case Act is.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He's trying to present the idea that in Europe, if you post a meme, you're getting a fine, and that's absurd.
For one, again, this is a rule that the EU passed to aid in copyright enforcement in the new age of technology.
Second, I'm going to read to you about this rule from an article in Wired.
The most controversial part of the copyright directive makes platforms like Google and Facebook responsible for copyright violations in material posted by their users.
Previously, users, not the platform, were liable.
People posting memes wouldn't be fined.
The platform would.
Maybe.
It might not even come down to that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it creates an incentive for Facebook and Google to protect the copyrighted material that's being misused by their users as opposed to all the consequences falling on the individual user.
jordan holmes
Right.
They need to become their own cops instead of the copyright having.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And if they don't, then they're complicit in the misuse of this intellectual property.
And also, don't worry, that EU rule didn't infringe on member states' sovereignty.
Each state was specifically left to their own devices to write their own laws and come up with how they would implement practices to protect copyrights through Europe.
Nothing that Alex says in this at all is real.
It's all just blustery bullshit.
He's hoping he'll add up to enough incitement to get Trump to somehow force Facebook or Twitter to let him back on the platform.
Because you can hear that he's directing this to Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
He's so much like, sir.
jordan holmes
Please put me back on Facebook!
dan friesen
There's so much of that.
You can just feel it.
And I think it's probably in some way motivated by the longer things go on, the worse his situation is.
jordan holmes
Does he really think that Trump could even do that?
Trump doesn't have the capability to do that.
That's simply not a thing that he can do as an executive.
dan friesen
I mean, it would be an interesting...
...thing to consider how he might.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, I guess you could probably, like, take away tax relief from these companies if they didn't allow Alex back on.
jordan holmes
Like, some sort of pressure on the companies to allow Alex back on, as opposed to...
dan friesen
Which would be really fucked up.
jordan holmes
Like, he can't write an executive order that's just like...
Alex Jones gets back on Facebook.
dan friesen
I mean, he could.
I don't know how enforceable it would be.
That would be really weird.
jordan holmes
That would be really weird.
dan friesen
But this boils down to something that I think is a real trend of Alex's that we've talked about a bit, but it bears mentioning over and over again.
jordan holmes
He wants a king.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
I mean, that's a big part of it.
All of his ideas are so anti-king and anti-monarchist and what have you, but he believes that...
Individuals are able to do everything.
He thinks that everyone is omnipotent on some level.
And it leads him down really fucked up roads.
Like Trump needs to fix the internet.
What is he going to fucking do?
unidentified
He's going to...
jordan holmes
You know what?
He's going to buckle down.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He's going to pull himself up by his bootstraps just like he did a long time ago when his dad gave him a million, million, million dollar loan.
dan friesen
Mr. President.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Get me back on Twitter.
Tear down this wall between me and Twitter.
So in this next clip, Alex breaks down that if Trump goes down.
jordan holmes
We all go down.
dan friesen
And Trump is going to go down if he doesn't deal with these meme accounts being kicked off.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Next hour, though, I'm tearing into POTUS.
jordan holmes
Do it.
alex jones
Because let me tell you, if he goes down, I'm going to have to leave the country, because they are coming after me, they're coming after you, and these global crooks.
And I've been watching Trump closely, and I've been talking to his advisors, and finally some of my people have gotten meetings with this head campaign guy in Florida, and they're finally getting it some, but not quick enough.
We need dramatic action.
dan friesen
So you've got to get those meme accounts back on, because the memes...
So, look, I think Alex is making his panic a little too clear here.
I think that Alex knows that he's gotten himself into a no-win situation, largely because connecting himself so closely to Trump and his policies, like, by doing that, Alex has radicalized himself past the point of no return, and his audience has gone down the same road with him.
Like, what does he do if Trump loses in 2020?
Legitimately, what can he do?
He's made the argument that this guy becoming president is America's last shot against the globalists who want to destroy America and kill your families.
What's he going to do?
Is he going to tell his audience to gear up for the 2020 midterms?
Try and start a big impeachment campaign when the system is already, by definition, controlled by the globalists?
His audience is so far past that shit.
With Alex's bullshit that he's spread about demons and child sacrifice being so defining of these enemies, If Alex tried to pivot back to being an opposition voice to the party in power by advocating for anything short of armed insurrection, his audience would abandon him so fast his bank account would spin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
His empty-ass bank account would spin.
jordan holmes
Which further cements my position that Trump will not leave office.
dan friesen
Simultaneously, Alex is in a huge problem if Trump wins, and Alex's personal situation doesn't improve.
How long can Alex argue that Trump is in a death battle with the very same globalist enemies that Alex is against without Trump doing anything at all to help Alex?
If they were actually allies in anything more than lip service level bullshit, you'd think that Trump would want to protect and support his most public supporter and the only voice in the media who really gets it.
The more and more Alex has to pay the consequences for his actions, and the longer it goes where Trump doesn't seem to give a fuck about Alex, the harder it is for Alex to create the impression that he's anything other than a useful idiot for an aspiring authoritarian who he'd hoped would help him advance his own personality.
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem like there's any other...
dan friesen
Well, I honestly think that Alex kind of realizes that he's painted himself into a bad corner, but unless something very specific happens, his days are numbered.
Not in the sense that his life is in danger or anything like that, but that what he does doesn't serve any purpose anymore.
Because he's become so entwined with Trump, as things escalate in our country, he has to escalate along with it and be party to that escalation.
He can't recede.
He can't give an inch.
Because the audience he's cultivated in the last few years won't allow it.
If Alex gives an inch, it's not him just trying to moderate and be less extreme or be reasonable.
It's ceding ground to literal demons and child murderers.
And that's a bad position to be in.
Any negotiation, any compromise is compromise with the devil.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You can't compromise with the devil.
jordan holmes
You can have sympathy for him, though.
dan friesen
Only in a song.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The only two positive outcomes for Alex right now are for Trump to become an authoritarian ruler, rounding up his enemies with the army, imposing restrictions on businesses he doesn't like, and ruthlessly suppressing the press.
Or Trump loses and there's a civil war.
Peace in any form is not a marketable option for Alex anymore.
He is too far gone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there was a time last year when we were talking about what is it going to take for him to pivot away from Trump and how could he dismount?
Those days are gone.
dan friesen
I think he understands that in order to retain the audience that he has and the revenue stream that has become so crucial, he can't.
No, he can't.
I think it's possible that he could, but it would be one of the hardest maneuvers ever.
And it would require going to such an extreme level.
You would have to advocate bombing buildings.
He would have to turn on the government in such a hard way.
jordan holmes
No, he'd have to become the IRA, essentially.
dan friesen
But Trump would be the target of it.
Trump would have to do something that was...
Or at least Alex would have to create a narrative where Trump had done something so extreme.
jordan holmes
Trump doesn't have to do something.
dan friesen
Alex would have to spin the narrative that Trump has abandoned us and all our globalists.
And the logical conclusion that his audience would accept would be he'd have to be advocating for violence.
And that would be the Civil War option that I'm talking about, in terms of him being able to retain his place in the market.
Other than that, he's useless.
Trump would rather have QAnon people around than him.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He had Lionel come to the fucking White House.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Point it at the Q, baby.
jordan holmes
As long as he's got Fox and Friends, he'll be fine.
dan friesen
Trump keeps retweeting Q accounts.
Really?
jordan holmes
I refuse to pay attention to any of Trump's tweets.
I refuse, on principle.
dan friesen
He's given way more public appreciation to that than Alex.
And Alex has to know that, and the optics of it are terrible.
I hear clips like that last one where Alex is talking about...
If Trump doesn't win, I gotta leave the country and shit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I can't help but think about how much better Alex's life would have been if he didn't sign up with Trump.
Like, he could have maintained his imagined position as the guy who's above partisan politics.
And honestly, like, I think about this.
Like, someone with his talents offering a criticism of Trump from the right would probably be a very marketable thing in this environment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in 2019 it would be.
dan friesen
Even in 2016, 2017, 2018, like all along the way, someone with the gifts that Alex has just in terms of pure talent, you would ignore a whole lot of the other terrible things about him if he was offering a right wing critique.
Alex could have done something like that, and he's so much better at...
Being a liar than Glenn Beck is.
He's not nearly...
I mean, he's embarrassing, but he's not...
Just on a pure competence level, he's better than Glenn Beck.
And I think he could have made so much money in that space.
He could have gotten left people over to his side again.
He could have done all that shit that he was doing during the Ron Paul times.
jordan holmes
You know, I don't think...
Actually, I think he...
Maybe he could have.
But my guess is he did not want to find out.
He doesn't want to find out if his audience loves him more than Trump or Trump more than him.
That's a dangerous fight.
dan friesen
But if he had never gotten on board with him and been against him, it would have been perfect for him.
Because he could have retained the audience that he had and built in a different direction that was much more on brand with him.
The counter to the power.
It would have been like...
So reinforcing of everything.
You'd have like, oh yeah, he appears to not be a globalist, but he is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It would have worked so well.
jordan holmes
Especially when he put his hands on the orb and he said he was a globalist.
unidentified
I'm a globalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would have been able to fucking murder him.
dan friesen
There were so many news stories that have come out and every single thing that falls in line with all of Alex's old narratives about Rex 84 and Posse Commentatus.
He could have made so much money off that.
He could have been just banking.
Yeah, I think about it.
It sucks that he's so awful now.
He's a really awful pile of shit.
But you could take some comfort in knowing that he's only such an awful pile of shit right now because he's dealing with the worst decision he's ever made and he's spiraling the drain.
So there's some cold comfort in that.
Like, that he could have flown under the radar with all of this awful white nationalist, white identity bullshit.
Like, he could have very easily Trojan-horsed himself closer to the mainstream if he hadn't made this decision.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, you know, it's sour grapes.
jordan holmes
It is the truth that racism is bad for you as well.
True.
The people who voted for Trump solely white...
White power people who voted for Trump, which is most of them.
They're the ones who are also being fucked over by Trump's policies.
They're not getting any increase in taxes.
They're fucked over, too.
dan friesen
And take policies even out of it.
They're not happier.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Just internally, they're not happier.
jordan holmes
They're just more filled with rage.
dan friesen
Speaking of rage, former Rage Against the Machine member...
jordan holmes
Tom Morello?
dan friesen
No.
I was going to try and pretend that this next guy is someone who he's not.
Alex is mad at Donnie Deutsch.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Former Rage Against the Machine member Donnie Deutsch.
alex jones
Fine.
dan friesen
I don't care about Donnie Deutsch.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I don't care about Alex being mad at him.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Enjoy, guys.
The only reason I left this clip in is because Alex is mad at Donnie Deutsch, and the way he describes Mr. Deutsch is...
It just seems like Alex is talking about himself.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I love Donnie Deutsch or whatever his stupid name is.
jordan holmes
Double Ds.
alex jones
What a punk, man.
Trump will never be elected.
Trump will be out in six months.
These people, by the way, have almost no ratings.
Their average show has 200,000 viewers.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Before they shadow banned me on Facebook and Twitter, my average live video had 2 million views.
Hillary lost.
They shadow banned me.
Average video had 100,000 views.
Then they totally banned me.
Because you can't compete, you schmucks.
No one wants to watch you, Donnie douche.
No one wants to hear you.
Everyone hates you except the few mental patients that watch your show or people tuning in to get the talking points to go out and lie.
dan friesen
That part at the end there is just such a crystallization of Alex's shit.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
No one wants to listen to your dumb show except some fucking brainwashed weirdos who believe you're stupid bullshit.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
And people who tune in in order to help argue, get talking points to argue with people online.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That is such a, like, and I think that Alex is probably less useful of that second category these days.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he definitely, like, he knows that that's what his show is used for for a long time.
jordan holmes
And we've listened to calls that were specifically, hey, Alex, my family says this.
What should I say back to them?
dan friesen
Tell them they're globalists.
Exactly.
So, Alex gets back now to the Instagram narrative, and I think this clip is important because he's really saying that 200 million people got kicked off Instagram.
alex jones
They've been cheating all along, and now Google and all of them are 200 million accounts on Facebook and Instagram that supported the president, all annihilated.
200 million!
I wouldn't count them up.
dan friesen
He went and counted them up.
jordan holmes
He went and counted them up by...
Like, one, two, three.
dan friesen
Do you want to know how he did it?
Because he actually does explain how he did it.
jordan holmes
Tell me.
alex jones
200 million.
I wouldn't count them up.
It was reported on Friday.
It was like 120 million.
It's 200 million today.
As of three hours ago, I spent 30 minutes going through and checking all these accounts and looking and adding the numbers up on a calculator.
On a big old fat business calculator.
And I've shot an emergency report to the president.
dan friesen
So, Alex broke out his accounting calculator.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's got a calculator!
unidentified
Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.
jordan holmes
Oh, it has to have the roll of paper.
dan friesen
It has to have the roll of paper.
Please!
I just, these mind reels, like I just picture a desk with a little lamp on it.
Alex has got a visor on.
unidentified
He's tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip.
dan friesen
I've got to tell the president!
jordan holmes
And he's got a crank, too.
He's got the crank, crank!
Oh, God, I want to watch that.
dan friesen
He's just panicking.
He's like, I must tell the White House.
jordan holmes
I would give anything to have that video put out.
That would go viral.
dan friesen
So he's just making that up.
That's just a lie.
The 200 million accounts are gone.
jordan holmes
And it would take more than a half hour to even...
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just...
He knows what calculators do, I guess.
And he's embellishing what he did with one.
So Alex gets on to another narrative that I think is actually super interesting.
And here we go.
alex jones
Without even looking, I've got stacks of articles here.
jordan holmes
Stacks on stacks.
dan friesen
Important to point out that he's not looking.
alex jones
In California and Illinois and Maryland and everywhere the Democrats are in control, people are losing their student loan financial aid because the unions and the lawyers are stealing all of it.
Just like Detroit fell, the most prosperous area of our country, now the poorest.
80,000 California students lose financial aid thanks to Teachers Union.
I don't need that clip anymore, guys.
I don't need that clip anymore.
Can we just have a document cam shot?
Thanks.
So again, 80,000 California students lose financial aid thanks to Teachers Union state government.
Think about that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Doesn't sound true.
alex jones
And that's just one in my stack today.
What you get under their control is collapse of civilization.
dan friesen
You can tell by the way he's like really taking long pauses.
He's like, I don't know this story.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
I don't know what's happening.
I see a headline.
I think I can roll with it.
State government.
jordan holmes
Teachers unions.
There we go.
Teachers union.
dan friesen
That's bad.
unidentified
Fuck them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, according to Alex, 80,000 students lost their financial aid.
Important.
They lost it.
That doesn't sound true.
In California.
And it's all the fault of these meddling teachers unions.
These damn liberals and unions.
They're out to crush everyone and get students kicked out of California universities.
jordan holmes
It really doesn't sound like them.
dan friesen
Honestly, I have no idea why Alex would even care about a story like this, even if it were true.
He thinks colleges, especially ones in blue states, are just liberal brainwashing centers.
Well, I figure he'd think it was great that people are losing their ability to go to them.
Shouldn't it be a net positive for him?
jordan holmes
Yeah, shouldn't he be happy about that?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Interesting.
I guess the lesson here is to never underestimate how much he and his intellectual ancestors hate the idea of workers being able to have any control over their destiny and how they'll take any opportunity possible to malign labor.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what his dad told him right out the womb.
He was like, communism is exactly what unions are.
So from his first breath...
dan friesen
Fuck labor.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was yelling that while his wife was in labor.
jordan holmes
Damn it, you were too quick.
dan friesen
So here's the first of the myriad problems of the story that Alex is telling.
This has nothing to do with California being a blue state.
It was the result of a federal rule from the Department of Education.
unidentified
The one run by fucking Betsy goddamn Davis.
dan friesen
Well, it's actually, you know, the regulation in question was made at the end of Obama's term.
So it's not 100% Betsy's fault here.
She didn't make it better.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
The regulation had to do with states being required to have a system in place for in-state residents who take classes remotely from out-of-state institutions, with the rule including that if...
If there weren't a process in place for dealing with these students' concerns, then recipients of federal student aid, like Pell Grants, would lose access to said aid.
It was a measure to protect students, and although it's a little bit complicated, there are absolutely consumer protection-related issues and reasons for a rule like this to be in place.
Naturally, since Trump and his administration hate anything Obama did, they fought the implementation of this rule.
It didn't go into effect until July 1, 2018, and even then, Trump's people were trying to delay having to enforce it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were sued to enforce it.
dan friesen
Just this April, a judge ruled that they couldn't postpone enforcing the rule any longer, so they started accepting that this rule was an actual rule on July 22, 2019.
That was like a week ago.
jordan holmes
That was a week ago, yeah.
dan friesen
That judge also ruled that Education Secretary Betsy Davos had illegally delayed the rules implementation.
Alex is blaming unions for this because the National Education Association and the California Teachers Association are the ones who sued Betsy DeVos to get the rule implemented.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
California is the state that's most affected by this very immediate shift in the rule being real because they're the only state that's not part of the National Council for State Authorization Reciprocity Agreements, called SARA, which basically is just a series of agreements that the states recognize each other's protections for students.
California doesn't belong to that because they feel that the body does not offer strong enough consumer protections for the students.
Now, they probably should have had something in place to deal with the rule long before Devos' lawsuit came to an end.
But I think that if you just look at what's going on in the world, they had every reason to think that this rule would never be implemented.
And until it was, they weren't out of compliance with the rule.
And they had...
Some systems in place just that weren't up to that rule.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Now, the bigger issue is that as soon as California learned that the rule was in place and that it was enforceable, the California Department of Consumer Affairs immediately created a complaint system for students.
So they met all the requirements of the regulation.
And just like that, all of the students who were at risk of losing their financial aid were no longer at risk of losing their financial aid.
By the time Alex got on air on July 28th, this problem was already resolved.
He's misrepresenting the story that the students lost their financial aid when they were only at risk of losing it if California wasn't in compliance with a federal regulation.
He's lying about the union involvement in the situation and completely whitewashing Betsy Devos' role.
Put simply, Alex is a liar and a really lazy dude who's on air misrepresenting news that's already outdated just to make it look like unions are bad and blue states are evil.
Quite frankly, he's a loser.
unidentified
Bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's real serious bullshit.
jordan holmes
I really, really, really hate Betsy DeVos.
dan friesen
Like he fucking cares about these students getting financial aid to go to college.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
What the fuck is he even trying to pretend?
unidentified
Right!
dan friesen
Yeah, and Betsy DeVos could go fly a kite, too, with her involvement in student aid issues.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
The loan program and shit.
jordan holmes
It bothers me that they received no...
She was found to be illegally doing something, and they're like...
And also you will receive zero consequences other than you successfully delayed this rule for two fucking years.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, everybody had every reason to assume that they were going to create more legal hurdles or just make it so like, okay, the court said that the rule is in place, but it's not.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yeah.
dan friesen
It's a chaotic environment that Trump and his administration are creating around these types of issues.
So to then turn around and blame...
Somebody for not following the rule that the federal government is...
It's a federal rule and they're saying this rule's bullshit.
We're not going to do it.
I know that you should follow rules.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you're also creating an environment where no one knows what rules are real and no one knows what rules to follow.
jordan holmes
And even if they are real...
dan friesen
It's chaos.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And it's by design.
Because it's the same thing as what we were talking about earlier with it's just too much trouble to sue somebody for not enough gain where it's like...
If Trump just stops following all of these rules, nobody knows which ones to put their energy into making him follow.
So you can sue him on every possible rule, but...
dan friesen
Random enforcement is a hallmark of sort of autocratic leaders.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Because then you create the environment where you could be punished for anything or nothing.
jordan holmes
And targeted enforcement is very, very important.
dan friesen
So, at the end of last week, into the weekend, there was a little bit of a dust-up between one Donald Trump and Elijah Cummings, if you'll recall.
unidentified
I did not hear anything about that.
dan friesen
Cummings made some comments to the ICE director about the situation in the camps where immigrants and refugees are being held.
And Trump didn't take kindly to this and called...
Baltimore pile of shit.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
Infested, yeah.
dan friesen
Rat infested mess.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And people didn't appreciate that so much because of the very clearly racist coded language.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
That was used.
And, yeah.
I see what they're saying.
jordan holmes
I get it.
dan friesen
I think they make a decent point.
jordan holmes
It is nice now knowing that we can completely disregard anything that anybody in the GOP says.
You're all racist.
dan friesen
Done.
jordan holmes
If you vote for Trump, you're a racist.
dan friesen
At least you prioritize things that...
Or you disprioritize standing up against racist things.
At very least, your priorities are such that something else takes...
Higher priority than dignity.
jordan holmes
I say it's a tacit admission of racism.
dan friesen
I think we're saying the same things just slightly differently.
So Alex responds to this by appealing to that video that we discussed on a recent episode where he created a completely artificial appearance of these camps by combining Candace Owens' video from a year ago.
jordan holmes
Nazi propaganda.
dan friesen
Right.
And this DHHS center that was specifically created to keep kids out of ICE and Border Patrol.
So Alex created that video to create a false presentation.
And appearance of what these ice camps and centers were like.
So he uses that to be like, this is what Elijah Cummings is talking about.
So then he gets past that hurdle.
Then he has to deal with the fact that Trump said this clearly racist coded language to attack Elijah Cummings.
And instead of really addressing that, what he decides to do is make fun of Victor Blackwell.
The CNN anchor who broke down and was on the verge of tears while discussing how he experienced Trump tweeting about Elijah Cummings this way.
unidentified
In echo of election night.
jordan holmes
Mocking people who are...
dan friesen
Alex likes to mock minorities who are crying.
It seems like a pretty big piece of his show.
So what he does...
I'm going to play these clips, and they're a little bit tough, just in terms of the lack of humanity that Alex is showing.
But I wanted to really drive home the point that Alex is really making a meal out of making fun of this anchor having an emotional reaction to Trump using...
Dehumanizing language consistently towards non-white people.
alex jones
Cummings, did you hear he called black people rats?
And CNN goes, yeah, Trump called blacks rats.
Are you insulted whether you're white or black or whatever the hell color you are, that they lie to us like this?
That this is what they do?
And aren't you sick of it?
But it gets worse.
CNN anchor Victor Blackwell chokes up on air after Trump rips infested Baltimore.
Yeah, I call black people rats!
dan friesen
So you see already what he's doing is he's created the false appearance of the conversation that's being had.
The idea that everyone is saying that Trump called black people rats is not what people are responding to.
So he's already shifted the goalposts, created a straw man for himself to talk about.
So now here is some more of this.
This is pretty disgraceful shit.
alex jones
Here's the crying CNN reporter.
unidentified
There's a revolution going on in California.
So many sanctuary areas want out of this ridiculous crime-infested and breeding concept.
Infested, he says.
dan friesen
So real quick before we get to Alex's response, I think it's really important to point out that the part of Victor Blackwell's piece...
That people were posting and got pretty popular online.
I saw it all over the place.
The important context that Alex is cutting out of the beginning of this clip is he's explaining that it hurts to hear the President of the United States use consistently dehumanizing language about non-white people.
He points out in this segment that Alex, I don't know how he decided where to cut this, but he includes...
A discussion of that in all of Trump's 43,000 tweets, he only uses the word infested to describe a place that's predominantly non-white and to attack non-white legislators that he is beefing with.
And that there are instances of white legislators that he has gotten into fights with and he doesn't use that same sort of language when he does.
So that is the conversation and that is what Victor Blackwell's piece is about.
Alex deprives it of that context in order to make fun of just the fact that Blackwell gets emotional, which is really gross.
unidentified
The president says about Congressman Cummings' district...
This is the worst acting I've ever seen.
dan friesen
Watch your show.
unidentified
That no human would want to live there.
You know who did, Mr. President?
I did.
From the day I was brought home from the hospital.
alex jones
Hit pause and back it up.
I'm going to start from the beginning.
This is mind control, folks.
Trump's trying to say, clean it up, help people.
No human should have to live there.
It's not good conditions.
The same stuff Cummings says about the Border Patrol that isn't true.
You're treating these kids like animals.
No human should put up with this.
And Trump's like, no human should put up with what you're doing to your own people.
And what you allow, the city doesn't even spend the money they steal to clean up garbage in the street.
And the police won't do their job because they're leftists.
And they're so afraid they'll get fired, so they let gangbangers kill people and attack the police.
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
And then you cry about how Trump's trying to hurt you.
alex jones
Because you prey on those people.
Anchor Victor Blackwell.
dan friesen
So, obviously, there are endemic problems and systematic problems in a city like Baltimore.
It's far more complicated than I would be able to explain to anybody.
jordan holmes
You can't just watch The Wire.
It's not enough just to watch.
dan friesen
There's oversimplification that Alex is doing here that is disgusting.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's very shitty.
Abhorrent.
But it's another expression of what we talked about earlier, this idea that Alex thinks that one person can do anything.
So Elijah Cummings is here, and he represents this area.
Therefore, he can fix it.
And if he doesn't fix it, he must be profiting off not fixing it, or he must want it to be this way, which isn't necessarily good thinking.
jordan holmes
No, it's absolutely impossible for these people to understand the interconnectedness of problems and the way that if you pull one lever here, it will change something oftentimes unexpected.
dan friesen
Sure.
Is there corruption involved that probably could be addressed?
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
We live in Chicago.
dan friesen
Right.
Almost certainly.
Are there better strategies that maybe should be explored?
Possibly.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Entirely possible.
People who care are discussing those things.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex and Trump are not.
So in this next, we get back here to Alex making fun of Victor Blackwell, because he goes on for quite a while doing this.
It's pretty gross.
unidentified
From the day I was brought home from the hospital to the day I left for college, a lot of people I care about still do.
There are challenges, no doubt.
alex jones
Go help them then.
unidentified
But people are proud of their community.
alex jones
Hit pause.
I want to hear what this jackass has done, and who lives there, and I want to hear what you gave, and what you, like Obama, almost like, we live in a car, we'd like a house.
You got a car, lady.
No Democrat got her house.
Republicans did.
dan friesen
I have no idea what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
I have no idea what he's talking about.
dan friesen
He's rambling quite a bit, but Alex, what do you know about what Victor Blackwell's done?
What do you know about his personal life?
What do you know about his giving?
How do you, what do you know, do you know anything?
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
He doesn't know shit.
He's just assuming.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's just, I don't know.
I don't know how to describe this other than knee-jerk white supremacy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if you gave him examples of, oh, look, Blackwell did this for his community.
Oh, look, Blackwell, he'd say, well, that's not enough, or that's nothing, or you're full of shit, or yada, yada, yada.
There's no...
dan friesen
It's a losing game to even explore.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's just worthwhile pointing out that Alex assumes that it's nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I hate him so much.
Here's the last clip of this.
alex jones
Here, let's finish up with this turd basket.
unidentified
I'm proud of their community.
I don't want to sound self-righteous, but people get up and go to work there.
They care for their families there.
They love their children who pledge allegiance to the flag, just like people who live in districts of congressmen who support you, sir.
alex jones
That is the fakest crap I've ever seen.
So this guy is crapping all over the truth.
dan friesen
So when we see stuff like this, this behavior is indicative of things that are threatening to Alex.
The mocking of it, the constant repetition, going back and doing the fake crying over it, and this is brainwashing.
That is the behavior that Alex employs towards things that are pretty prevalent.
There's no denying that this clip went all over the place.
People are reposting it.
It's something that you would assume that his audience would have access to, or they might come in contact with.
And it's making an argument that is threatening to Alex.
Because it does point out, I mean, Alex doesn't play the part that says this, but it does discuss, Victor Blackwell does clearly discuss the idea that Trump uses these sorts of language and these linguistic terms, specifically in situations when he's attacking non-white people.
And it is hard to hear.
It's something that has an effect on people.
And if that were allowed to be seen as a legitimate perspective that someone has, it runs the risk of opening up his audience's eyes to an empathic position and understanding how other people...
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Even though a large number of his audience would actually be like...
Yeah!
I love that he says all of that shit.
Baltimore is infested with...
dan friesen
There's a crucial distinction.
Later, on one of these other episodes, I believe on the Monday episode, he plays a clip of Marianne Williamson hosting an apology session where white people apologize to black people.
And he doesn't need to mock that.
Because he has created an environment where that looks like an absurd spectacle.
So he can just play that and not interrupt it.
There's very different ways that Alex uses other media.
And it's important to understand that this strategy is employed when something is a threat to him.
I believe that that is definitely the case.
So, Alex earlier said that he was going to take Trump to the woodshed because of this meme shit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure.
Okay.
Alright, here we go.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
Taking him to the woodshed.
dan friesen
So what he does is he has a pre-recorded message to the president where he says that, Trump, you're committing suicide if you don't help your boy out.
jordan holmes
Wrestling shoot.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Yes, basically.
This is...
I would describe this as very embarrassing.
Like, the idea that he thinks...
First of all, he thinks he's talking directly to the president.
Crazy.
Second, if he thinks he's talking to the president, he has to think that the president is as stupid as one of his listeners, which may or may not be true.
jordan holmes
It's absolutely true!
dan friesen
But no matter what, this is just an exercise in embarrassment.
alex jones
The Democrats admit...
The EU admits, the big tech giants admit that memes are more powerful than all cable news combined now.
It's how America communicates.
And the fact that you've let them do this to thousands of other prominent conservatives and nationalists and haven't taken action yet, other than criticizing it, has greenlit the purges to now be exponential.
This is your distribution network that was getting your speeches and your statements and your administration's truth out.
To counter the establishment lives.
And they're just being annihilated on a daily basis.
Over 200 million in just the last three days.
dan friesen
See, he's implying this 200 million accounts that are all gone.
jordan holmes
Trump is as stupid enough to...
Hey, Trump said that 3 million illegal immigrants voted in the election, so fuck off.
dan friesen
But Alex is also being clear.
He's making it so overt.
This is your distribution network.
We're your truth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he literally almost said, we're your propaganda network.
You're losing us.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
You're not going to get rid of Goebbels.
That's not a good idea.
dan friesen
I understand that I'm gone.
From social media, but I can still be some use.
And I'm still making a profit, so we're cool.
I'm going to keep on doing what I'm doing.
I got my area of the market.
No one's going to nudge me from that.
I am in trouble if you lose.
My brand is fucked.
Right?
You understand?
You're going to lose if you don't have a ton of dank meme propagandists out there.
jordan holmes
That does actually sound true.
dan friesen
You need so many people distracting everybody with all of these manufactured bullshit lies.
If you don't do it, my brand is fucked and my business is gone.
Trump, get with the program.
jordan holmes
He's fundamentally correct.
unidentified
You need to protect Count Dankula.
jordan holmes
Build a wall around Dekula!
dan friesen
Everyone, get in formation!
unidentified
Get in formation!
jordan holmes
We need a flanks!
Protect Scott Adams now!
unidentified
Circle Dilbert's wagons.
Alright, everybody, protect Catbert!
jordan holmes
Catbert doesn't need protection.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Dogbert.
jordan holmes
Dogbert trouble.
dan friesen
Yes.
Dogbert is behind all of this.
This is like...
It's so overt, the motivations behind this.
It's just so much like, in the state we're in, I'm fucked if you go down.
And you need these dudes.
You need these crazy dudes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You need these liars.
jordan holmes
If you keep on this path, we're actually going to have to say you should become the king, and I don't want to do that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I've been trying to keep people thinking that I don't want a king for so many years.
dan friesen
20-something.
jordan holmes
Don't make me do it overtly.
dan friesen
It's a hard pitch for my audience to be monarchists.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I've been slow playing them for a long time, but here we are.
So, in this next clip, which is still from his address to the president, he just implies, again, that 200 million people gone, which, again, ludicrous.
alex jones
And on and on.
Every few hours, new giant list come out.
We go click on them.
They're dead.
They're gone.
Gone, gone, gone, gone.
Because nothing is being done by your administration.
We've heard a bunch of talk about antitrust.
We've heard a bunch of talk about injunctions.
This is election meddling.
Imagine.
If hundreds and hundreds of millions of people following Democrat sites and Democrat news organizations were suddenly being deleted in a coordinated fashion, there would be an outcry the likes of which the world's never seen.
jordan holmes
So I assume he really hates it whenever Texas and Alabama and Georgia all purge voters from the rolls, right?
dan friesen
I don't think he cares.
jordan holmes
Oh, you don't think he cares?
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
Why do you think that is, Dan?
dan friesen
Because it's all just dead people that the illegals are using to vote.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, then never mind.
dan friesen
And it's not like...
There aren't any high-profile Democrats or left-leaning people who haven't been demonetized on YouTube or kicked off Facebook or Twitter.
It's absurd.
It's just most of them are like, that sucks.
Don't turn it into their new identity.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing that that wasn't my primary source of income.
dan friesen
They recognize that it is a shitty free speech crusade to go on because it doesn't make sense.
So, in this next clip, Alex sort of threatens Trump vaguely.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
That if he doesn't get on board, something's going to happen?
alex jones
Trump, I'm sitting here watching these lillipollies eat you alive and carve you up like a giant ham.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
alex jones
And damn it, I care about you, and my fate's tied to you, and I'm pissed, buddy!
If you keep sitting there and taking this crap, I'm not going to put up with it anymore!
Because it doesn't matter how good your agenda is and how many other great things you do.
If you sit there and let these out-of-control criminals walk in here and steal our First Amendment and steal this damn election, then I don't know what I'm going to be forced to do, but let me tell you, watching you let these bastards pull this off makes me sick.
dan friesen
So, I mean, that probably means nothing.
jordan holmes
Sternly worded letter?
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know, whitehouse.gov petition that's vaguely racist?
That idea is like, I don't know what I'm going to do if you don't get on board.
I'll probably yell more.
Also, the potential of danger in the vague notion of Alex's audience is such that I don't take something like that lightly.
It's funny because he's personally an impotent force, but what he has the potential to inspire in people to do...
has great negative potential.
Yeah, absolutely.
And the idea of him feeling like he has nothing left, like because Trump has abandoned him or something, I could see it going real south.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
So a clip like that...
It's always funny when he pretends he's going to leave Trump, just because we've seen it so many fucking times.
jordan holmes
It's pathetic.
dan friesen
And because this is about memes.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I really have a hard time believing that we live in a world where memes, whatever.
dan friesen
They're going to ruin it.
They're going to kill everybody.
Whatever.
It's laughable on one level, but it also is the sort of thing where you've got to recognize, like, meh.
It's kind of fucked up.
jordan holmes
That'd be interesting if he all of a sudden is like, if it weren't for the NPC meme, you never would have gotten the tax reform through.
dan friesen
And now, to talk more about that is my friend who likes to hit things with a hammer.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex ends this address to the president.
I need to be clear.
This is an address to the president.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He keeps saying, Mr. President.
jordan holmes
Mr. President.
dan friesen
Trump.
jordan holmes
Directly.
dan friesen
Now, here's how he ends it.
alex jones
And that's why Infowars.com.
Stand strong as the tip of the spear.
And that's why the globalists want us shut down, because we are the modern Paul Revere's.
Thank you all for your support.
dan friesen
He thanks the audience for their support.
jordan holmes
So is he talking about Trump?
Thank you all for your support.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's leading up to an ad pivot that doesn't come at the end of his address to the president.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's interesting.
dan friesen
Because that exact clip, that is how he ends up like, you need to buy our stuff.
jordan holmes
That'd be funny if he asked Trump to buy his stuff.
dan friesen
God damn it, that would be amazing.
Mr. President.
jordan holmes
Mr. President, if you don't take super male vitality, we'll never get back on Facebook.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not really that far off.
Because after he does this message to the president that ends with thanking the audience for their support, so who was this really targeted at?
Is it performatively targeted at the president?
alex jones
But so often in the fight to keep this operation going, I forget to remind viewers and remind listeners that without you and word of mouth telling people about the show and how to find it, without you sharing the audio and the videos that we post to Infowars.com, the globalists are going to be able to carry out their plan, too.
Overthrow this country once and for all.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
That's why it's important for you to please watch the short presentation at the end of the show today that breaks down things we can personally do for our bodies and support the broadcast at the same time.
And I'll see you more willing back tomorrow, 11 a.m. Central, with the Monday edition of the Alex Jones Show.
dan friesen
So he had a tape-recorded introduction to a pre-recorded infomercial about iodine.
jordan holmes
That is, I don't know, jujitsu?
dan friesen
It's lame, is what it is.
So that's the end of his show on Sunday.
And I thought that was actually a pretty more substantial Sunday show than many I've heard lately.
So maybe he's trying again.
Or maybe he's just back to that.
Maybe the Sunday show is important again.
And so now we get to Monday and this Instagram narrative.
My friend, it's spiraled.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
It's getting close to home for Alex.
alex jones
Everything is pouring in.
I've got family calling me saying they've lost their Instagrams, and they're not even political.
If they see American flags, if they see you're Christian, they're coming after you in an attempt to scare other Christians and other Americans to pull down the American flags, to stop talking about Jesus, to stop even calling yourselves Christian, just like all the big ecumenical movements have done.
This is here.
dan friesen
Sir Alex's family is losing their Instagrams.
I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
dan friesen
I'm certain it's not because of American flags or they say they're Christians.
jordan holmes
Could be because they're sharing Alex Jones content.
dan friesen
Huh.
That's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably not.
I don't know.
I think it's just made up.
There's so many things in Alex's world that I just have to be like...
Nope.
And that is one of them.
Because it's such a service of an already false narrative.
The 200 million people getting kicked off Instagram is the narrative that's being built on by my family members are calling me and saying they're being kicked off Instagram.
So if the bedrock is a lie, I have to assume that this garnish is a lie too.
I don't know.
And I don't care.
So in this next clip, we get an introduction of a guest who's going to show up later, but Alex is really excited to have him on.
jordan holmes
Trevor Bauer.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
We have a retired state police officer whose brother is a friend of the show, Joe Bannister's brother, will be popping in at the bottom of the middle of the next hour, and he will be getting into the inside scoop on what happened at the Garlic Festival.
Where several people were shot and killed, including a six-year-old boy.
More than, what is it, 14 people now wounded in the gun-free zone.
dan friesen
So, Joe Bannister's brother.
Joe Bannister is one of those wild-ass tax protesters that Alex has had on for years.
And now, apparently, his brother is a cop and he's involved in the Garlic Festival.
Alex says that he ran security for it.
I can't confirm that.
I have no idea.
I'm not really all that interested.
When we get to his actual interview, he's got nothing to say.
So, I don't even know why he's on other than, like, legitimately, we'll get to it.
His expert analysis on this is...
Well, the cop's got a warrant and searched the guy's house.
Like, it's publicly available information.
He's got nothing.
jordan holmes
You know, delivering publicly available information with the authority of a retired cop seems to help Alex.
dan friesen
I guess.
And he's related to Joe fucking Bannister.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So, great.
Another one of the big things that's going on that Alex is covering over this time spin is that...
jordan holmes
Time spin.
That's a good way of putting it.
dan friesen
That Dan Coates, the director of national intelligence, is stepping down.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Donald Trump has nominated John Ratcliffe to be his replacement.
jordan holmes
Noted genius John Ratcliffe.
dan friesen
Alex is thrilled with this, and that's pretty funny.
Here is a clip of him being thrilled, and I will explain why that's ridiculous on the other end.
alex jones
I've already gotten into the fact that Trump's removing the head of the Director of National Intelligence that oversees the 17 agencies and putting a bulldog in there that will really go after him, Congressman John Ratcliffe of Texas, former federal prosecutor.
That's sending alarm bells throughout the deep state.
dan friesen
Alex, that might not be the best example of it, but he is all about it.
He's very supportive of this.
And it's hilarious how craven and spineless and full of shit Alex Jones is.
If you need an example of how little he gives a fuck about anything he pretends to stand for, look no further than his support of Trump's nomination of John Ratcliffe as his director of national intelligence.
For one thing, John Ratcliffe is not qualified at all for the position of DNI.
He was the mayor of Heath, Texas, population approximately 6,000 for eight years.
During that time, George W. Bush appointed him U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Texas, a position he was mysteriously only in for a year before returning to public life.
In 2014, he primaried the sitting Republican in Texas' 4th District in the House of Representatives.
He was running against a 17-term incumbent in his opponent, Ralph Hall, who was 91 years old at that time.
When Ralph Hall entered government in the Texas Senate, JFK was still alive.
This was an old, old man he ran against.
You could make your campaign slogan, he's 91, and probably win.
So Ratcliffe still...
jordan holmes
He doesn't have four more years!
dan friesen
Ratcliffe still only ended up winning with a narrow margin in the primary, but that district is so conservative that no Democrat even bothered to run, so he won his seat in Congress.
In 2016, again, he ran against no Democrat candidate, guaranteeing an easy win.
The position of DNI is a non-partisan position, specifically.
jordan holmes
Not anymore!
dan friesen
It's very important that the person who occupies that position not be someone who's invested in party politics, because should that person in charge of all of the country's intelligence agencies be someone beholden to a political party, you can very easily imagine the sort of things they could do to help their political party of choice.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, can you imagine somebody abusing their power like that?
dan friesen
Never.
Previous to Trump being elected, no one who occupied this position came from a background as a member of Congress.
These were career diplomats or intelligence professionals.
But when Trump got in, he appointed Dan Coats, who had 16 years in a career as a Republican senator from Indiana behind him, as well as an eight-year career in the House of Representatives.
The politicization of this position is exceedingly dangerous.
We're seeing that happen.
Even if there were a presumption of impartiality to it, our intelligence community is a dangerous thing to have exist.
When you introduce partisan politics into it, you have a recipe for real trouble.
And it's definitely the kind of thing you see in authoritarian states.
jordan holmes
Okay, so what you're saying is that were we to have a partisan director of national intelligence, somebody who can direct intelligence agencies to do things...
And those things maybe are beholden to a hard-right Republican lunatic who thinks that everybody's out to get him and wants to use intelligence services to further his own agenda.
You think him appointing somebody who would do that is a bad idea?
dan friesen
I'm saying it's a dangerous possibility.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's also worth pointing out that John Ratcliffe has a 100% conservative score from Heritage Action and ranks as one of the most conservative members in all of Congress.
jordan holmes
He just yelled at Mueller.
Isn't that why he's getting the job?
dan friesen
Yeah, and he was on the short list for Trump's attorney general possibilities when Sessions stepped down.
He's in the team.
To give you some context, Ted Cruz only has a 98% score.
Louie Gohmert only has a 96% score, as does Steve King.
Ratcliffe is more conservative than those dudes.
I have literally zero faith that he would be able to separate his political leanings from the job of being DNI, but I also think that's why Trump nominated him.
All that shit is disqualifying, but I know that Alex doesn't really care about any of that stuff.
And here's something, though, that he should care about.
In 2009, Ratcliffe became a partner at the law firm of Ashcroft Sutton Ratcliffe.
Who is that Ashcroft, you ask?
None other than John Ashcroft, George W. Bush's attorney general who Alex believed helped cover up 9-11.
Ratcliffe is involved in the Bush administration as a U.S. attorney, then afterwards became partners in a law firm with one of Alex's huge bad guys.
Endorsing this guy to lead all of the country's spy shit is essentially Alex admitting he didn't really mean all the stuff he used to say.
This is seriously disqualifying stuff here, all in the name of trying to defend the nomination of a guy who probably doesn't stand a chance of being approved by Congress.
There's already indications that the Republicans aren't thrilled with this.
It's real embarrassing shit from Alex here.
You really hate to see this kind of shithead behavior, even from someone you hate.
Like, the idea that this guy who is a partner in a law firm with John Ashcroft...
Alex, do you remember who you are?
jordan holmes
No.
No, he has no idea.
dan friesen
You hate John Ashcroft!
jordan holmes
Ah, well, he only covered up the Democratic part of 9-11.
He didn't...
unidentified
The conservatives, libertarians, 9-11 was fine?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
I got nothing.
This is stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's bad.
So, another main piece of Alex's narratives here on the 29th are anti-Baltimore stuff.
Sure.
Which, of course, Alex proceeds to carry out as black people are not great.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
So, in this...
jordan holmes
Doubling down on racism.
dan friesen
Oh, and then tripling.
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
Tripling down.
unidentified
Ooh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, he goes pretty hard.
I mean, that stuff where he was making fun of Victor Blackwell was pretty...
Pretty clear.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
It gets worse.
unidentified
Oh, what?
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this clip we're about to listen to here, Alex is making the argument that all the media talks about is white people attacking black people.
But Alex has tons of videos of black people attacking white people, which is a problem, just from a thinking standpoint.
But this is just bad.
alex jones
I see videos.
And compilations and underground articles and local news stories by police departments.
dan friesen
Underground articles.
alex jones
Every day we don't get national attention.
jordan holmes
From the Bolochs.
alex jones
Where gangs of racist black people target white people, old people, young people, and beat them, in some cases kill them, and then there's no news coverage of it, but there's news coverage everywhere about record numbers of whites targeting minorities, and then there isn't any evidence of that.
They just lie, like FBI Director Ray did.
Before Congress.
dan friesen
There's a lot of evidence of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would say...
dan friesen
There's mountains of evidence.
jordan holmes
Overwhelming evidence of it.
dan friesen
Of white supremacist, white nationalist, motivated crimes.
jordan holmes
Terrorism.
dan friesen
That's what's very important here.
When Alex is talking about seeing videos of black people beating up white people, that's anecdotal at best.
Sure, it's visceral, and it gets you thinking about the idea, oh, there must be tons of black people beating up white people everywhere.
jordan holmes
And it must be motivated by racism because...
dan friesen
It doesn't stand as proof of anything.
jordan holmes
Doesn't sound like it.
dan friesen
It's not good.
And this is what he's relying on.
I see tons of videos of black people.
He might as well be just redoing the knockout game shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, how many fucking manifestos have we had to read recently?
dan friesen
Last week?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Enough?
jordan holmes
Too many.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And none of them have come from black people.
dan friesen
Nope.
So Alex is still trying to defend Trump's comments about Baltimore, and I don't know.
This is just stupid.
alex jones
And the murder maps show the thousands of murders a year in Baltimore only rivaled by Chicago.
jordan holmes
Thanks, buddy.
dan friesen
This is classic shit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The first thing we can tell here from Alex's coverage of the whole Trump-Elijah Cummings thing is that Alex has never seen The Wire, which honestly doesn't surprise me.
He's also apparently never read Homicide, A Year on the Killing Streets, which also doesn't surprise me because it's a book.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Obviously, there's a very complicated situation and a lot of issues at play in terms of a city like Baltimore, and like I said earlier, far be it from me to pretend that I actually can explain all of it to you or even advocate for what the right solution is, I am not.
It's outside of my lane to try and pretend I have that kind of expertise.
jordan holmes
And I sure as hell don't.
dan friesen
What I can tell you, however, is politely to explain to Alex.
Alex, are you listening?
I'm going to give you a little bit of your own medicine where you gave a message to the president.
I'm going to do that for you.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
There are not thousands of murders a year in Baltimore.
That is fucking insane.
jordan holmes
That would be too many.
dan friesen
That number might be right about a place like Caracas or a couple cities in Brazil.
But no American city is anywhere near that level of murder.
In 2017, there were 341 murders in Baltimore.
Alex doesn't care about reality.
He cares about optics and the presentation and the narrative.
It sure looks like there were thousands of murders in that lawless city, so why not say there are?
Alex, this is shitty work.
You need to do better because these are just numbers.
They're statistics.
You can find these numbers.
And even just talking about total murders is a pointless statistic.
You've got to talk about things in terms of rates.
jordan holmes
Per 100,000.
dan friesen
And when you do, the numbers become less meaningful.
Chicago in 2017, I believe, was the ninth highest murder rate in the country.
All of it's still too high.
There's things that need to be done.
Chicago had 300 more murders in 2017 than Baltimore, but the murder rate was much lower.
It was almost half.
Why is that?
How do you integrate this into your conversation, Alex?
You can't.
jordan holmes
Of course there are more murders when there are more people.
dan friesen
Well, certainly that...
jordan holmes
Just as a function of society, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Of humanity, I suppose.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's trying to tie this connection to it being blue states, because Baltimore and Chicago.
But if you look at it by murder rate, there's tons of red states or the cities.
The number one is St. Louis.
That has the highest murder rate, and that's a red state.
It doesn't matter.
This conversation, blue state, red state, doesn't fucking matter.
But you can create the...
And he absolutely does not care about improving that, mainly because it still allows him to use that as a cudgel whenever he wants.
So, all this is, like, Alex is clearly lying about a lot of issues that involve race.
And that's ugly, and it sucks to see.
But you should know one thing.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Bill Gates?
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
He's trying to brainwash everybody.
jordan holmes
That I do believe.
dan friesen
He's trying to brainwash people against whites?
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And I'm going to get into the incredible level of brainwashing that white people are inherently evil and are inherently bad by white academics and others who are being financed by the Bill of Millennials.
I'm being financed by you.
unidentified
Perfect.
alex jones
You could tell us.
Or anybody else, we're funded by you, the viewer, you, the listener, buying products direct from us.
dan friesen
So first of all, I'm excited to hear about this big story he's got about Bill and Melinda Gates brainwashing everyone against white people.
I'm thrilled to find out if there's any truth to that.
Spoiler alert, there's not.
But also, if this is true, what Alex is saying.
No, no, no, not that part.
It's not true.
But if it's true that Alex has had all these people digging around in his finances trying to find out who funds him, and it turns out it's just the American people.
Alex, why are you fighting so hard to make sure that they don't get access?
unidentified
Why are you creating a million legal hurdles?
jordan holmes
Jiggly keys!
Jiggly keys, Dad!
dan friesen
Alex, if all of your money does come from a really successful, amazing supplement sale and books and water filtration business, let's see those numbers, baby!
I want to tip my hat to you.
I want to congratulate you on a business well run.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why do you make all this so secretive to the point where in depositions, people like your head of HR, your father, other people who are involved in the business say, I have no idea what the fuck's going on.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Why?
Why does no one know what your business model is?
Why is everyone obfuscating and hiding all this shit if it weren't something shady?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Please, Alex, you fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, he lives in a countless resistance, I believe is the, who was it?
dan friesen
Louis Beam?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
So, I've been excited to hear Alex chime in on something.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
This whole let's storm Area 51 thing.
jordan holmes
He hasn't chimed in?
dan friesen
I'm not sure if he has.
I missed some days because of the move.
Ah.
I hadn't heard him talk about it in the episodes I'd heard.
And I'm like, he's got to have a take on that.
jordan holmes
Hasn't the date already passed?
dan friesen
No, I think it's in September.
jordan holmes
It's in September?
I don't know.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's a joke.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
It's going to happen.
Haven't you read about December 12th, 2012?
dan friesen
I heard about that.
Yep.
Leo Zagami told me about that.
They were storming Area 51. So I knew that this is something that Alex probably has got to talk about.
First of all, he loves memes.
So, he should probably be thrilled with this, because all it is is a joke meme.
I didn't know how he was going to land on it, and to say that I was surprised to hear his take on it would be an understatement.
alex jones
I've been watching this Area 51 situation, and my original thoughts three weeks ago are dead on, and I'm sure you have the same thoughts, but let me just explain something, and I'm sure you all know this.
Anyone that's had a Facebook page the last few years knows that you have to pay money, basically, to have one now.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
I've had a Facebook page for so long.
I've had a Facebook page since it was thefacebook.com.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You do not have to pay to use it.
You have to pay to advertise on it.
You always have had to.
jordan holmes
That's called a business model.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's how they make money.
unidentified
Everybody who has a Facebook page knows that you've got to pay to have one.
alex jones
Unless you're just a private person they want to spy on.
jordan holmes
Spy!
alex jones
And then sell your data.
But if you try to start a Facebook for your dog grooming place, they're going to say Terms of Service now and I'll let you have it.
dan friesen
I have a Facebook page that is about a podcast about how you're an idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have paid a couple times, like $5, to experiment with ads and found them to be not worth it.
jordan holmes
Pointless.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's the only money I've ever put.
Maybe $10?
jordan holmes
$10?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe?
Well, Terms of Service, Dan.
dan friesen
I've never had Facebook come to me and be like, why are you running this?
jordan holmes
Terms of service.
alex jones
If you do one for your church, they're going to demand money now.
Google's not letting people promote Christianity.
I mean, this is just...
They're taking American flags off Nike tennis shoes.
They're telling universities.
The universities are saying, don't say America or America.
This is meant to be over the top.
I'm going to break that down next hour because what am I getting at?
jordan holmes
Good question.
dan friesen
He is really struggling to figure out what's my point about this Area 51 thing.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, hold on.
So he said he was right about three weeks ago, as were most of you.
About Area 51. About Area 51. And what you gotta understand is that Facebook charges you to have a Facebook page.
dan friesen
They're gonna kick off all the Christians.
You can't have a dog grooming salon page.
jordan holmes
Anyways, what does that have to do with Area 51?
alex jones
This individual is a cutout.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I want him on the show.
He wants to come on here and defend himself.
But I've seen him.
We're gonna play the clip next hour.
Of him doing a local news interview?
dan friesen
He doesn't.
alex jones
The individual that has organized 1.6 million people to storm a Skunk Works space plane base.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
An Air Force aircraft testing facility that's got nuclear weapons, chemical weapons stored at it, toxic waste dumps.
Reportedly, it's where they haul decommissioned nuclear reactors out of submarines.
It's a giant waste dump.
And they're saying 1.6 million are going to storm it, and Facebook leaves it up and watches it.
What I'm trying to say is they won't let a Christian organize a pro-life vigil.
They won't let a conservative member of Congress even reach their members on Facebook.
But they'll let some trendy dude who wears video game outfits sit up there and go, we're going to have 1.6 million people storm a military base.
Facebook was set up by the left and the CIA.
So was Google.
They are 100% Running this.
dan friesen
I would argue an alternative explanation, and that is that conservative members of Congress are not very interesting, and a joke meme event like this is pretty funny.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
And people have done a lot of marketing for it on their own with little TikTok videos.
It's caught on as a meme, and that has led people to promote this.
Joke event.
And, like, the CIA started it.
And in the description of it is, let's see them aliens.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
That sounds like that.
dan friesen
The alternative explanation that is absolutely the truth is this is a funny thing and people liked it.
jordan holmes
It's really funny.
dan friesen
It's attractive to people and they're interested in it in a way that they're not in your bullshit, bigoted content.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the content of all these other whiny, shadow-banned Republicans.
Fuck off.
This is just appealing to people and you're not.
jordan holmes
God, that's a bummer.
unidentified
He should be jumping in on this, right?
jordan holmes
Although, then again, he literally can't because his listeners would actually try and storm Area 51, wouldn't they?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If they thought that they had a 1.6 million strong army behind them.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The 1% of gun owners.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's troublesome.
dan friesen
I think that, yeah, Alex would end up turning into like that Stephen Kelly, the Storm the Getty guy.
The Getty Museum and the demons underneath.
Yeah, I don't know.
Alex does bring this back up later, and I would play it now, because then there would be thematic cohesion.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, he has another comment about Area 51, like, an hour later in the show.
I was thinking about this, like, why don't I organize the episode into, like, this is the topic he's talking about, and here are all the things he says on it.
jordan holmes
Fuck chronology?
dan friesen
Well, it's because I...
One of the things that I think is important is to, like, express the disjointedness and repetition of this show.
jordan holmes
That's a good...
dan friesen
He hits the same topics repeatedly throughout the course of the show, but he never gets really into them when he does.
And he jumps back and forth from them in a way that's disorienting to your mind.
So when he brings back up the Area 51 thing later, you remember that he's brought it up, so there's some familiarity.
It's intentional.
It's a strategy of never needing depth.
But still creating the appearance of it through disorienting his audience with artificial familiarity, I guess is what I would say.
Artificial familiarity with the story.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Oh, I know that!
jordan holmes
Presenting an angle without any depth, and then because you're bringing it up later...
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a strategy that he employs.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't say that that's intentional.
Perhaps it was.
dan friesen
I think it is on some level.
unidentified
You think so?
dan friesen
But I think it's also necessary because he couldn't do it the other way.
He couldn't do a show where he actually got into the nuts and bolts of something.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because if he did, he would end up doing a show like ours.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he would end up accidentally debunking everything he talks about.
jordan holmes
That would be wildly unpopular.
dan friesen
Ah, shit, I'm wrong again.
Guys, sorry about this.
Sorry about this.
This was just bullshit.
jordan holmes
That would be hilarious.
dan friesen
This headline looked good.
Fuck.
jordan holmes
If we believed...
It would be even funnier if we were ardent fans of Alex Jones and we were just constantly disappointed.
But we're like, I'm not going to give up on him yet!
dan friesen
If I could do this all over...
I might have tried to write the show like that.
unidentified
Like we're constantly being disappointed.
dan friesen
We might want to try one episode like that as a special episode.
I don't think I have the performance chops to do it, though.
I don't think I have the commitment.
So, speaking of commitment, Alex is a committed racist.
And in this next clip, he talks about how the Chinese are racist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Except some of them.
Now, mic down for this, because he does give an example of one specific person who is not.
jordan holmes
Mitch McConnell's wife?
alex jones
That's the Chi-Coms who are the most homogeneous, meaning pure, if you use that term, genetically similar, and the most racist people on Earth.
A lot of nice Chinese Americans.
My sister's South Korean adopted.
Love her to death.
dan friesen
Wait a second.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dude, just say, uh, just say, like, Bing Bong or some other racist version of, like, oh, they're all the same out there.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's pretty wild.
It's, like, uh, you know, the Chinese are the most racist people.
Not all of them, like, my Korean sister.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What Chinese country are you from?
Laos?
Is that the one you're from?
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, pretty overt.
jordan holmes
That is bananas.
That really is bananas.
dan friesen
I do love those moments when Alex is trying to pretend that he's not racist and other people are, and then he just embodies a fully...
jordan holmes
Twice as racist.
dan friesen
Yeah, fully fucked up position.
jordan holmes
My sister is South Korean.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So some Chinese people aren't racist.
dan friesen
Congratulations, Alex.
unidentified
Bananas.
dan friesen
Your brain works great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now we get back to the Gateses, the Bill and Melinda Gates.
Again, this is the representation of the disjointedness.
He brought it up earlier, and now he brings it up again.
alex jones
They know how to sell us out and ship drugs into our cities.
They know how to break up our families so we can be more easily managed because we're such uppity Americans.
Instead of you were a real elite, you would have promoted Americana that's so powerful, and then we would have ruled the planet through ideology and free market, and you could have sat on top of it, but you had needle ding-a-ling syndrome.
I call it the chicken SH-T dimension, and you're from it.
jordan holmes
I haven't heard the chicken shit dimension before.
No, no, I mean, I haven't heard it for a while.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's interesting to see that it's not just something he said once.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's lame as hell.
jordan holmes
It's so...
dan friesen
It seems even weirder to imagine that he wasn't making it up, that he uses that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They're from the chicken shit dimension.
jordan holmes
What is that?
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
The needle dick dimension?
dan friesen
So we already heard earlier in the episode Alex saying that his big main gripe with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is they're brainwashing people against whites earlier.
So this clip exists within that context.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That's what makes them part of the chicken shit dimension.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's what makes them part of the chicken shit dimension.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And they could have lorded over a free market world dominated by white people if they hadn't.
Decided to brainwash people against whites.
jordan holmes
It does kind of seem like what he's saying is you guys fucked up for you.
You know, like you guys could have been really rich if you ran.
dan friesen
As opposed to the really rich.
I also think that now, after having that episode about the British Israelism and Christian identity ideas, it's tough to hear that sort of, you know, you could have had world dominion.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then not hear a little bit of that in there as well.
I think that's going to keep popping up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I also, you know, he's talking about the globalists and Bill and Melinda Gates, destroying the family.
I'd like to read to you from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
This is from Protocol number 10. Quote, Yeah.
followed up with quote in this way we shall create a blind mighty force which will never be in a position to move in any direction without the guidance of our agents uh set at its head by our as leaders of the mob the people will submit to this regime because it will know uh that upon these leaders will depend its earnings gratifications and the receipt of all kinds of benefits so i mean what he's describing about the plan to destroy the family in order to make us less able to
to have our political will and dumb us down directly from the protocols of the elders of Zion.
jordan holmes
It was really weird when I read those and protocol number 11 was, and we'll send people to the chicken shit dimension.
dan friesen
Also, it doesn't trace back to the protocols, but this accusation that Jews are responsible for international drug trade, I mean, Alex isn't making that accusation, but it is an accusation that's been fairly popular in deeply anti-Semitic communities.
In 2012, the Iranian vice president, Mohammad Reza Rahimi, gave a speech where he said that Zionists ran the drug trade and, quote, the Islamic Republic of Iran will pay for anybody who can research and find one single Zionist who is an addict.
They do not exist.
This is proof of their involvement in the drugs trade.
Ooh.
A European diplomat told the Irish Times under the condition of anonymity, quote, this was definitely one of the worst speeches I've ever heard in my life.
And even an Iranian Shia cleric was like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
No good.
jordan holmes
Dude, I can throw a rock at one of my friends and you'll find a Zionist addict.
dan friesen
So, like, you have this, like, this idea of destroying the families for the specific purpose that Alex is talking about, which is a direct parallel to the protocols.
And they're bringing drugs in, which is, you know, that is also mirroring anti-Semitic propaganda that has existed over the years.
So I think it's just important to bring that up whenever he's just being very clearly...
White supremacist.
Well, mirroring.
So Alex, in this next clip, kind of thinks that he's already gotten to the news about Bill and Melinda Gates.
jordan holmes
Really don't think so.
dan friesen
But again, that's a function of the disjointed nature of the show.
He himself kind of thinks he's covered it already.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he hasn't.
alex jones
And I said I'd get to have the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and a huge detailed report from Daily Caller News Foundation found that it's all being funded.
By the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
That's the main funding group of all this Black Lives Matter, race riot, kill the cops, white people are inherently evil.
I was going to cover that, but I guess I already did, kind of, didn't I?
You want to hear this, professor?
You want to hear all these so-called authors being paid $12,000 a pop to go brainwash your kids and tell how whites are inherently bad?
I'll get to that later.
I'll get to that next time.
dan friesen
Okay, we'll get to that later.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sounds good.
dan friesen
I thought you already kind of covered it.
Yeah, I'll get to it later.
jordan holmes
That is pretty funny that at the end of that he's like...
I'll get to that later.
I hear the music.
He forgot exactly what he was going to say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he heard the music, so he's like, ah, wee!
dan friesen
I don't have a handle on this shit.
jordan holmes
Get out of jail free!
dan friesen
I read a headline.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's talking about this being like a $12,000 pop example.
Professors, he said, you want to hear this professor?
He mentioned the Daily Caller.
So I went and read this article that Alex is basing his narrative on in the Daily Caller.
And I don't know if I see the same thing as he sees here.
Literally, the only connection any of this has to the Bill and Melinda Gates and their foundation is that they are listed as one of the clients that has hired the person that this hit piece article is about.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
The article discusses Robin DiAngelo, who holds a PhD in multicultural education and is a well-respected lecturer and author in the field.
She's the person who coined the term white fragility, so naturally, she's become a very specific target for the expression of exactly that.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
Guys.
It's the worst.
dan friesen
Literally.
The entire thrust of this article here seems to be that she charges $12,000 for a speaking appearance and that somehow that invalidates her scholarship and all of her work because she's white.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
What this article doesn't do is give any context to the rate of $12,000 for a speaking engagement.
jordan holmes
A Daily Caller article about the person who invented white fragility as a term didn't give context?
dan friesen
$12,000 for a speaking engagement is not really that high of a rate for a person, particularly a leader in their field, for that to be the rate they charge.
A simple search of talent booking websites will tell you that.
For instance, Ben Shapiro charges between $50,000 and $100,000 for a speech.
Jordan Peterson asks for $100,000 to $200,000, as does Sean Hannity.
Alex's buddy Candace Owens charges between $20,000 and $30,000.
James O 'Keefe is right in the same ballpark as Miss D 'Angelo with a price range of $10,000 to $20,000 per speech.
Bill O 'Reilly charges $100,000 to $200,000.
John Ashcroft requires $50,000 to $100,000 to take a break from running a law firm with Alex's preferred choice for Director of National Intelligence.
Alex's buddy and noted pervert Ted Nugent charges $50,000 to $100,000 for a speech.
I think you get the point.
For people who are not in the fields of either being an in-demand lecturer or booking in-demand lecturers, $12,000 for a booking might sound really high.
But ultimately, it's not.
When you look at the larger picture of the industry, it's kind of on the lower end of an in-demand speaker.
This is a cheap trick that propagandists can use to paint someone who gives lectures about social justice or economic equality as a hypocrite.
And then they get to feel entitled to just ignore the entire message.
It's a pathetic strategy of self-defense.
And honestly, in this situation, it goes a long way towards proving that Robin DiAngelo deserves that speaking rate.
Yeah, because they're manifesting what she's talking about.
Her big thing is the concept of white fragility.
And now you have the Daily Caller founded by noted white nationalist Tucker Carlson crying bloody murder about her charging a reasonable rate for her services, largely because they're afraid of the topic she's lecturing.
on.
unidentified
Literally, this is white fragility on full display.
dan friesen
If it weren't, then this is somehow about the revulsion they have at the decadence of speaking fees.
There's way better targets they could choose than D'Angelo.
Also, Tucker Carlson charges over $70,000 to give a speech.
So him and the Daily Caller can go straight fuck themselves.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why...
Like, did you get screwed over in the Equifax breach?
dan friesen
No.
I checked and I wasn't affected.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I did.
I don't understand...
dan friesen
Hey, congratulations on that money.
jordan holmes
You know what?
We're probably not going to get it.
dan friesen
Hey, congratulations on that.
jordan holmes
Because they are going to run out of money.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
The settlement is bullshit.
I don't understand why those hackers aren't just going after these idiots.
Like, just steal their money, Robin Hood style.
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I don't know if I'm going to...
jordan holmes
I'm not going to do it.
dan friesen
I'm not going to double down on that position.
So there's nothing here that's really involved with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, except that they're listed as one of the people who have paid for her services, paid for her speech.
jordan holmes
That's as close as they get.
dan friesen
And it's one of a number of...
Groups, organizations that are listed in the article.
This isn't about the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation specifically being her patrons or whatever.
It's not.
Alex is embellishing all of that shit.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because he wants to.
He hates the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
He thinks that they're brainwashing people against whites.
And when he says...
jordan holmes
And he's white fragile.
dan friesen
When he says that, when he says that they're brainwashing people against whites, he's using this article as the justification for that narrative.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's all bullshit.
It's all just flimsy nonsense.
jordan holmes
It's all white fragility.
alex jones
So now we get back to Area 51. The storming of Area 51. Just the beginning because it's...
It's getting people ready.
It's engineering the public to, oh, it's just a joke.
They're just organizing something else.
Nothing will come of that.
But it will be storm the White House.
It will be overthrow the government, but by the globalists.
Because that's what Facebook has been set up to do.
Suppress the good people.
Empower the bad.
Help Al-Qaeda.
Suppress the Christians.
Suppress the conservatives.
Unleash the leftist antifa.
dan friesen
Really had a pause there before conservatives.
Wonder where his brain was heading.
So Alex, his commercial time on the show has become a real sad place.
Whereas before we had such fun things as Where to Hide Your Guns and Diamond Gusset Gene songs and everybody was having a great time.
jordan holmes
Fun!
dan friesen
Here's a commercial that he's playing now.
alex jones
SubscribeStar.com forward slash Alex Jones.
That's where the next adventure against tyranny begins.
That's where I'm going to be posting exclusive content.
dan friesen
Content.
Couldn't do a second take on that?
It's pre-recorded.
This shitty fucking low-rent commercial for his off-brand Patreon.
unidentified
It's almost like he hit con on purpose.
jordan holmes
Like, this is a con.
Tent.
dan friesen
I also checked back in on his Subscribestar.
jordan holmes
How's it going?
dan friesen
We still have way more donors than him.
jordan holmes
Ah, Jesus.
dan friesen
It's very sad.
I feel like we're gloating, but at the same time, I don't feel like I am.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
I want to gloat.
dan friesen
It's insane that he only has 400 people who are donating to his Subscribestar.
It's been months that it's been up, and he has millions of listeners.
This is a very dangerous-looking lack of engagement.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, we get now to John Bannister.
He shows up.
Joe Bannister's brother.
jordan holmes
The old JB.
dan friesen
He wants to talk about the Garlic Festival.
And again, he got nothing on this.
We have really no insight.
Here is what I would describe as his expert analysis.
unidentified
Certainly these type of things take, you know, hours if not days to hash out.
And I do understand that this morning they did serve a search warrant at the suspect's residence.
So I'm sure they will learn as the days go by what this shooter's motivation is.
Fine.
dan friesen
I got nothing against that.
He's saying that, you know, they're looking into it, they're investigating, and we'll know whenever we know.
jordan holmes
That's pretty responsible.
dan friesen
Right.
That's not what Alex wants.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Alex wanted him to say that it was Antifa, right?
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
Or a false flag.
Alex's narrative boils down to, it's like, they train everybody.
What you do if you want to kill yourself is go and commit suicide by cop by shooting up this place, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, what we need is more guns at garlic festivals.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
So, that's what we get.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, that interview is real boring.
As are all the ones with Joe Bannister, too.
Must run in the family.
alex jones
Nice.
dan friesen
Alex then starts rambling about, like, the globalists need to bring in the global government now.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
For a specific reason.
And I think, I don't think I agree with this.
I mean, I think it's just wrong.
alex jones
Because the globalists are the remnants of the robber barons and the royalty and all the corrupt groups that are out there.
They're planning something even bigger to bring in planetary control because all these advanced technologies are coming forward now.
And they want control of those because there's about to be breakaway technologies that have already been discovered where we'll be multi-planetary so fast, we'll be interstellar so fast, we'll be intergalactic, we'll be interdimensional so fast it'll make your head spin.
You think fire was an invention?
dan friesen
You think fire was an invention?
jordan holmes
I do think fire was an invention.
dan friesen
I love the shifting goalposts of why the globalists are doing what they're doing.
It's changed so much over the course of his career, and I love that now, in the present day, his excuse is, they need to make a one-world government because we're about to go to space, and they want to be in control of Mars, or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't understand.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What are you missing?
dan friesen
I'm missing the jump from when it used to be about creating just a dictatorship and making a prison planet.
Like, I'm missing the time when it was a financially motivated thing.
I'm missing that joke.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think my favorite part of all the globalists' plans is that all of them, according to Alex, are incredibly long-term.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
And yet...
dan friesen
And yet they change.
jordan holmes
They change so frequently on a dime.
dan friesen
And can I also say that, like, I don't know.
I have mixed feelings generally about the idea of world government.
You know, I especially think that...
The wrong people administering it would be the worst, literal worst thing that could ever happen.
But I do think that some sort of collaboration globally is probably required.
jordan holmes
It's impossible.
dan friesen
But also, if we were to go into space and start colonizing parts of space...
We would need a one-world government.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Because the alternative is, what, are we going to have space wars between us and, like, Russia?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Us and China?
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Like, other countries are going to be able to make rockets and shit.
What are you going to do?
Are we going to go to war to keep them from going to space?
Are we going to have a war in space?
jordan holmes
Literally, China and Russia are gearing up for a space war.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, it's stupid.
The idea that we would be able to leave the planet and still have...
Tensions between us, just based on where on this fucking Earth we came from, is absurd.
The idea that...
All the progress you could make in making a Mars colony, let's say.
That seriously amazing advance, if that's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which it isn't.
Or most likely is.
dan friesen
It could all be jeopardized by China coming in with space rockets.
Why would we ever want to make it to that next level while there's still the possibility that we're going to fight with each other and ruin all of it?
It's silly.
jordan holmes
I mean, to replay the colonization wars of Europe from the 1600s in space would be...
I mean, it wouldn't even be catastrophic.
It would destroy humanity.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, like, of course, okay, so we destroyed New America on Jupiter's moon.
Maybe what we should have done instead is just destroy America on Earth.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
It's easier.
jordan holmes
It's easier.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Why would we send rockets all the way out there when we could just blow up America?
dan friesen
It seems like an incredibly dystopian possibility, the idea of branching out and colonizing space without absolute collaboration between countries.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it just seems like...
It seems like childish shit whenever you consider the stars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Although, I have seen G Gundam, and in that situation, what happens is every country colonizes different places in space and then creates very racist robots to fight on Earth.
dan friesen
Hmm.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Interesting series.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, this is the point of the episode where Alex gets into the Marianne Williamson video, and he plays it, and he's just sort of like...
Making fun of her, but not interrupting it because he wants it to be presented.
So she's leading these people and apologizing for the horrors of slavery in our country's history.
Alex refuses to engage with the ideas that the lingering effects economically, sociologically, politically that have rippled down from the times of slavery do still impact people today.
He doesn't really want to talk about that.
He wants to talk about how...
He shouldn't feel guilty about slavery.
He didn't do it.
No one did it.
Almost nobody did it.
Now, much like him saying that the Chinese are racist except for his Korean sister, Alex starts off on this clip being like, I refuse to feel guilty about slavery.
And then says something deeply racist.
alex jones
Margarine Williamson, Mrs. Moonbeam, leads white people in collective apology.
Remember this a few weeks ago?
To African Americans, even though...
If your great-grandfather was an axe murderer, that's not your fault.
You're an independent person, but only 2% of people here until 1867 had slaves.
That was in the South.
Most people who were European ancestors came here after.
It doesn't matter.
Because even if your ancestors did have slaves, it's not your fault.
But see, that's total tyranny.
jordan holmes
Is that what it is?
alex jones
That's slavery saying because you're a certain color or because your ancestors are, this is not going to happen to you.
It's amazing.
It's collective guilt.
What they did in Zimbabwe and Rhodesia.
unidentified
No!
alex jones
Where they rounded up all the whites and killed them.
This is so evil.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Alex, your example is Rhodesia, bro.
That's where you're going?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep, that'll do it.
dan friesen
Your example is Rhodesia.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's insane to me that he's trying to argue against him needing to feel guilty about slavery, and immediately where his mind goes is a repressive white supremacist apartheid government that was the remnant of a brutal colonial system that was put in place.
In modern day Zimbabwe.
That is so fucked up to me.
That's the example he goes to.
And he doesn't think like...
That wasn't a good example.
I should probably walk that back.
That was...
jordan holmes
So the headliner last week while I was at Zany's, we had this really stupid conversation.
On his part where he was trying to say that...
dan friesen
First of all, I'd like to say that we had a stupid conversation on his part is a fucking...
jordan holmes
That I ran away from as soon as he...
dan friesen
There's a wild way to phrase it.
jordan holmes
Here's what ended it.
He said, no, I think whites are afraid mainly because if minorities...
Because we're going to have...
Whites are going to be the minority soon and...
They're gonna do to Whites what we did to them.
And I was like, no.
And left.
No.
If you believe that, they are fucked up.
dan friesen
But it's almost admirable in some way that he's able to articulate it.
jordan holmes
He did admit that that's what...
dan friesen
Because Alex clearly has some of those thoughts in his head.
Absolutely.
But he refuses to articulate it that way.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which kind of makes it more difficult to deal with his bullshit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
At least with someone like...
That guy.
You'd hope that there was a possibility of a dialogue, you know, because he's willing to express it.
jordan holmes
No, I think there is, but...
dan friesen
I don't want to have it, and I don't judge you for not.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to do this in the green room.
I don't have the time.
dan friesen
So Alex is a little bit more racist in this clip, and also he points out that some churches are putting out the donation tray, but they're not taking that money and giving it to God.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
They're giving it to somebody else.
alex jones
Because they know America has this Christian, moral, loving, love your brother.
They exploit it.
The left does.
And so now all the Methodist church, all the big churches, our first Methodist church here in Austin, Texas takes up collection plates for Bill and Melinda Gates.
I have family that used to go there.
I've sat there and heard it.
My family finally quit going there.
It's a family winter.
I mean, you talk about satanic.
When we come back, I'm going to show you the Bill and Melinda Gates funding, what they're teaching.
White devils coming and teaching racism.
Because whites rejected racism, they teach it to black people now and brown people.
Stay with us on Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
That's wild.
jordan holmes
Prosperity gospel preachers are usually on the left, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's hard to say.
jordan holmes
I'm sure none of them are in Trump's good graces.
dan friesen
Well, I know one of them did do the prayer at his inauguration.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Paula White Kane.
jordan holmes
She did, didn't she?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And she's his national spiritual advisor or whatever it is.
dan friesen
And also married to a guy on Journey.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Which is a fun fact.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's like a pop-up video kind of fact.
dan friesen
Her husband has a writing credit on Don't Stop Believing.
I don't know.
I think...
I can't imagine a church being like, all right, so we're going to take donations for one of the richest people in the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound right.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem...
I don't know.
Anyway, in this next quote, we find out...
Also, when he's saying that, like, what they're teaching, all this stuff, like, that is just based on that Daily Caller article we talked about.
There is nothing more to it than that.
It was just that.
And then Alex spins it out, man.
Bill Gates is doing some real fucked up stuff.
alex jones
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is promoting white genocide.
It's promoting that white people are inherently bad.
And it's funding white academics to go out and teach that the West is inherently evil.
dan friesen
So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
The West is inherently evil.
You're saying that they're trying to get white genocide and say that white people are evil.
So the white...
jordan holmes
Wait, are you trying to say that the West and the white are interchangeable?
dan friesen
It's almost like he has no distinction between them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they seem to be meaning the same thing.
dan friesen
Seems like white identity is Western culture to him.
jordan holmes
Sure seems like it.
dan friesen
So stop trying to pretend it's not, you dumb fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're a white supremacist.
dan friesen
You can't, like...
Just hide behind terms you use interchangeably and assume that people aren't going to notice and call you out on it.
Every single time, it's exactly the same thing as with the preacher, David J. Smith, when he talks about the children of Esau being Jews.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's the same thing.
When Alex talks about Western civilization, Western culture, he's talking about whiteness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what he's doing.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
Anyway, in this next clip, he just makes up that this professor is...
Mainly funded by the Gates Foundation.
alex jones
The particular lady profiled the Daily Caller News Foundation is paid $12,000 a day.
dan friesen
A day?
Bullshit.
That already is a misrepresentation.
jordan holmes
What a fucking dick.
dan friesen
That is already a misrepresentation because it implies that she's getting paid every day as opposed to maybe one or two engagements a year.
It's such bullshit.
jordan holmes
What a dick.
alex jones
And she's a white lady.
She's got the customary weird vampire chicken neck going on.
jordan holmes
There it is.
alex jones
And she goes around and teaches white people they're bad and who's her main funder, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
dan friesen
He doesn't have anything to back that up.
He is just asserting it based on nothing and pointing to this article that doesn't prove that.
It's bullshit, man.
He is just saying whatever he wants.
It's crazy.
When you really get down to it and you trace down the things that he bases his rhetoric and his narratives on, it's so clear that...
Nothing can be trusted.
Anything could just be made up.
He reports made up shit with the same confidence that he does reading a headline.
jordan holmes
It really does seem like she has grounds for a libel lawsuit, right?
I don't think there's any way that this can't be construed as deliberately lying about somebody.
dan friesen
Yeah, with malice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, with malice.
dan friesen
I think you could.
jordan holmes
She could sue the shit out of him.
dan friesen
I think she probably could.
I also think it probably isn't worth her time.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
But yeah, definitely.
I think what he's doing is slander.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's not written down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'll make a transcript of this.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
I apologize for mistaking the language.
dan friesen
So earlier, Alex pointed out that...
White people have rejected racism, and so now they're teaching it to non-whites.
jordan holmes
I really don't think that's true.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
I really don't think that's true.
dan friesen
It's not.
But it's interesting to see how he conceives of how white people got rid of this racism.
jordan holmes
Well, it was because the South Korean Chinese person told him.
dan friesen
That could be it.
jordan holmes
That could be it.
alex jones
Because it's white people that got rid of tribalism.
Really?
We can have a multicultural system based on Jesus Christ and the blessings that come from it, the free market.
And I don't care if you're black, Hispanic, Asian, whoever you are.
If you accept the teachings of Christ and you accept free market ideas, it works.
Everybody is wealthy.
We come together.
It's God's plan.
It really is.
dan friesen
So what we seem to be looking at now is not only, like, theocratic government ideas, but also theocratic economy ideas.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which are really weird.
jordan holmes
This is bananas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex and his cohorts love to freely just pick and choose from the New and Old Testaments in order to make their cases for what Christianity should be and what they ascribe to Jesus.
So I feel like I should be able to play that game every now and again, too.
Yeah, have fun.
As long as Alex wants a biblical basis for the economy.
Like, we should maybe go all the way and reintroduce the Law of Jubilee as laid out in Leviticus 25. She shoots fireworks out of her...
Different Jubilee.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, never mind.
dan friesen
The Law of Jubilee lays out that every 50 years, property, even property that's been bought and sold in the intervening years, is to revert back to the original owner.
And that if you bought some land you were living on, you're to return to your family's original property.
It's laid out that if you sell someone land closer to the year of Jubilee, you have to charge less for it, since that person is going to have less time on this land.
jordan holmes
That's a fun, wacky economic system.
dan friesen
I like that.
This is a law, the law of Jubilee.
It exists because there is no private property rights for humans.
As is explicitly expressed, quote, this is God speaking.
jordan holmes
Hold on, let me prepare myself for that.
dan friesen
The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine, and you reside in my land as foreigners and strangers.
If you buy a house, you have to give that house back in the year of Jubilee, except in cases where that house is in a walled city.
If the city has walls, you get to keep the house.
But if there aren't walls on that city, then you've got to give the house back.
jordan holmes
Ah, man, I love a good old throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what economic system sticks.
dan friesen
It's a weird set of rules, but it definitely isn't free market.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So Alex got to deal with that.
Also, if you want to go New Testament and Jesus' actual words, in Matthew 6, 19 through 21, he says, quote, Do not store up for yourself treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
But store up for yourself treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Or there's that whole passage in Luke 6 where Jesus tells people to lend other people money with no expectation of being repaid.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Usury is fine, Dan.
dan friesen
And to be merciful, quote, just as your father is merciful.
There's a lot of folks who try to make the argument that Jesus would have been on their side and supported their ideology if he were around today, and I'm equally suspicious of all of them.
There's so much in the Bible that you can really pick and choose a lot to make a whole lot of seemingly contradictory arguments.
That being said, Jesus was into free market capitalism is maybe one of the bigger stretches you could make.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't imagine anybody defending...
If you're a biblical scholar and you think Jesus was into the free market, you're actually a liar.
dan friesen
Ah, here's our way around that.
jordan holmes
How do we do that?
dan friesen
Alex is not a biblical scholar.
jordan holmes
There we go!
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex says that this Robin DiAngelo, the professor who's given these speeches, she's a witch.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Recorded on the title.
alex jones
I'm not going to play all of what this witch has to say, but when we come back, I can show you hours of just the latest racial attacks on whites being killed, being beaten by hordes, by packs of racist black people.
jordan holmes
Packs?
Hordes?
dan friesen
There again, we have the exact...
jordan holmes
You're describing...
dan friesen
We have the exact issue that is the conversation Alex refuses to have.
He embodies the exact same thing that people like Victor Blackwell were discussing in that CNN clip.
That's why he cuts that part out, because he doesn't want to open that box.
He's guilty of the exact same thing that Victor Blackwell very sensibly was discussing.
And it demonstrates subtle and actual racism.
Hordes.
Packs of black people.
Racist blacks.
Attacking whites.
Yep.
So he tries to play this clip of Robin DiAngelo that he has found.
And it's interesting.
So we have...
Two examples from earlier.
We have the Marianne Williams clip that he allows to play because he wants it to stand as a thing that's silly and zany and nonsensical.
He has the clip of Victor Blackwell which he has to interrupt constantly and mock so everyone knows this is stupid.
Now we have another clip and it's to the point where Alex can't allow it to play.
unidentified
To be white is to see oneself outside of race.
to see oneself as a unique, special individual, exempt from the forces of socialization.
*music*
alex jones
Outrageous lies.
Just insane BS.
unidentified
Is he eating?
dan friesen
I think so.
unidentified
I'll never forget a moment of standing beside a black man leading a workshop on race.
And a white woman said to him, I don't see color.
He said, well, then how are you going to see racism?
Because I am black.
I do think you know that.
And I have a different experience than you do.
And you're not going to be able to understand that.
And you're not going to be able to support the parts of that experience that are really painful and problematic if you refuse to acknowledge my reality.
I don't see color.
alex jones
Stop right there.
I can't look at her.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
alex jones
This is a serpent.
You have Christians and good people that say, I just want to be nice.
I want to get along.
I want to hire folks off of their background and what they've done, not off what color they are.
Oh, that's racism.
See, they're fighting what the globalists can't stand, the abolitionist Christian movement.
unidentified
Woof.
dan friesen
Alex has to cut that off.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Because he started to realize, as the video was playing, this is making a completely different argument than I have been saying she makes.
She's not at all saying that white people are evil.
She's very clearly and cogently laying out her point about the differing experiences of people of different ethnic and racial backgrounds.
jordan holmes
In a way that he...
Can be communicated to his listeners.
dan friesen
And Alex can't rebut that.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
He can't rebut that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Without just being like, fuck black people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
There isn't really a good rebuttal that he's capable of that doesn't drift into just outright racism.
And that's why he has to shut that off.
He has to shut that off and shift the conversation to it being about affirmative action or something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no good rebuttal.
There's only the racist rebuttal, which is not a good one.
dan friesen
Right.
So he gathers himself, and he realizes, because he's listened to part of this club, but I'm positive he didn't listen to before the show, based on his reaction.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he realizes that what it's about is acknowledging the differing experiences that people in this country have based on race.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he gathers himself, and he finds his bearings, and he's able to just be like, well, that is racist.
Acknowledging that there's different experiences itself is racist.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Oh, a woman says, I don't want to see your color.
I just want to, you know, oh, no, you've got to see my color.
That's how we fight racism.
No, that's how you create it.
And then once it is about color, like Crips and Bloods, well, now you're in the gang.
Now I got to be that because I'm white walking down the street.
Let's go out to break with some of that.
And you're just trying to go in a hotel.
And 20-something black people come up and beat you and break your eyes and knock your eyeball out because you're white and spit on you.
That racial attack, it happens all the time.
It's okay, though, see?
unidentified
Because, see, they learn to see the race.
alex jones
And they talk that white devil.
They talk that white devil good.
Too bad that you kill him.
Damn white devil.
dan friesen
I believe that they turned that music up pretty loud.
It's louder than it is in other out-to-break things.
Because Alex is almost salivating about the black people attacking white people.
As if it's like, oh yeah, this is great.
This is going to get my audience real juiced up.
They're going to love this.
It's really fucked up.
jordan holmes
God, how do you hate so much?
dan friesen
It's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
There's so much hate that you can't even listen to somebody who you immediately know.
Alex immediately knew that what she was saying made sense.
dan friesen
But it's also not what he was saying.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He knew it immediately.
dan friesen
I think it still took him like 30 seconds.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Well, fair enough.
dan friesen
That's immediate for him, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
As immediately as he could.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But it made so much sense to him that he was so terrified of it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was terrified of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't understand the idea of approaching life without some desire to be challenged a little bit.
I listen to Alex every day, and I know he's a liar and stuff like that, but that doesn't mean everything he says is a lie.
I'm ready for him to make sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I know that he generally doesn't.
But if he, you know, I don't listen to him in the same way he listens to people who disagree with him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, I don't listen to him like, ah, fuck this noise.
Turn it off.
This guy.
jordan holmes
No, it's almost like the highlight of your day is when he makes sense.
dan friesen
I wish he did more.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's for sure.
jordan holmes
Well, if he did more, then we would be covering a very different show now, wouldn't we?
dan friesen
Yeah, I suppose so.
It is interesting to me.
I don't know if I have many examples of him making sense recently.
But I don't think it's impossible.
And I'm ready.
Every time I dig into one of his stories, it's with the opportunity to learn more.
And he always disappoints me.
But I still persevere.
So we have one last clip here.
And it involves him spiraling out of control.
Because he is getting really frustrated about these race issues.
He's pretty pissed off that he's been building up this narrative about Robin DiAngelo throughout the entire episode.
He's played this clip, and it didn't say what he wanted it to say, and so he's getting more racist.
In the last segment of the episode, he's pausing a lot.
There's a lot of slowed-down speech, and it's pretty fucked-up stuff.
alex jones
And they're hyping up and winding the minorities up, who are the majority worldwide, into a fiendish group of zombies, hell-bent on conquering the West, and everyone's going to cheer when the bioweapons are released in the future.
And 2 billion, 3 billion, 4 billion people die.
Race-specific bioweapons.
HIV was only a test.
It's killed hundreds of millions of Africans.
And even though the Africans are being wound up into an army to come over here and slit my throat, you can show the video of the mother and child being thrown crossing the tracks because they were white in Berlin, and the left says it's good, they're white.
But you see, it's a setup.
They send an army to kill you, and then they're going to kill that army.
dan friesen
So that is insanely...
Fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As far as I can tell, Alex is completely making up huge elements of the story about that train situation.
It's a story about a woman and her child who were pushed in front of a train, as Alex is saying in Berlin.
The child died.
He talks about it a lot on this episode.
It comes up a bunch.
The story is real in as much as it did happen.
It's a horrible tragedy, but all the extra details he's adding aren't supported by any actual reporting on the story.
Also, it wasn't in Berlin.
It was in Frankfurt.
According to articles about the event from The Independent, The Guardian, BBC, as well as some German outlets and even some less reputable sources, the perpetrator was in police custody but refused to speak with authorities and no motive had been established for his attack.
Whatever the reality of this ends up being, it's completely baseless for Alex to report that he was racially motivated, that the man pushed them onto the tracks because they were white.
He has nothing to back that up, no evidence, no source for it, no justification for his claim, other than the fact that the media reported that the man was from Eritrea.
That is all Alex needs to claim concretely, confidently, and absolutely that this was an out-of-control minority killing white people because they were white.
I can't be clearer about this.
It doesn't matter what the end result of the German investigation into this case is.
It may very well end up being that this individual did attack this woman because he hated white people.
That could be.
That could end up being true.
And even if it is, what Alex is doing is completely racist.
He feels like this is a racially motivated attack.
And that's enough for him to report it as if it is.
And then extrapolate that into being proof that all whites are under attack and Africans are being wound up as an army to attack Western civilization, which we know is code for white people.
Someone who wasn't invested in promoting racism and white identity would not do this.
They would rely on actual facts to guide their reporting as opposed to, well, to put it simply, white fragility.
I've never heard Alex ever report on any of the many instances of white people pushing non-white people onto train tracks from the past few years.
There are a number of them.
He could have.
Alex chooses his stories and tailors his narratives with an explicit purpose in mind, and that is to make his white audience afraid of people unlike him, and to make them confident that they're always in the right, even if it takes lying or just making shit up to craft that narrative.
There's no other way for me to put this, really.
Alex Jones' show in the present day is racist trash that is trending towards increasingly violent imagery and incitement.
He has nowhere left to go but to get more extreme, and I do not think that bodes well for the future.
His show sucks.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is a bad show.
jordan holmes
It is weird to watch him try and create a whataboutism in real time.
What he's doing here is, well, like we discussed at the very beginning, as far as giving people talking points, if somebody goes to one of his listeners and says, What about all of the white supremacist terrorism that you're not acknowledging and ignoring?
They'll be like, well, what about the Eritrean man pushed a woman into a train?
So there you go.
It's non-racial.
We don't have to talk about all that shit.
dan friesen
It's fucking bullshit.
It's a strategy to never have to deal with the issues.
Just to distract and be like, bop, boop, ba-doop, da, boop.
I'm scatting a lot.
Yeah, I mean, this show sucks.
It really, really does suck.
And it's scary, the potential that it has, in terms of people's reaction to it.
Because you have Alex saying things in that last clip, like, they're winding up the Africans to be an army against the West, which, again, we know he's talking about white people.
Saying that Africans are being an army that are going to come slit his throat, his personal throat.
that you can talk like that without having a reasonable expectation that some of your audience is not going to deal with that subtly.
Right.
unidentified
Your audience might think that, hey, I should view all people of expertise It's enforcing and encouraging racism to a violent degree, or a potentially violent degree.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I feel like as we go through this, when we do modern day episodes, I certainly don't know what the law is.
So I don't like to comment on that too much.
But I think what the importance of this is, is to demonstrate this is what he is putting out into the world.
If things go bad, just know he's doing this.
He's a part of it.
That's the only thing I think...
I don't know.
It's the only point I can see in talking about this.
And I guess I get to learn about California students who almost lost their financial aid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is interesting.
dan friesen
That is very interesting.
jordan holmes
That's one of the things that I thought about with that conversation.
I think the comic who was saying white people are afraid that minorities will do to them what white people did to minorities.
It is so kind of obvious that that is what Alex is afraid of.
To a certain extent, he knows he kind of has it coming.
He kind of thinks that he has it coming.
And so his real anger comes from, we need to defeat them, otherwise we are going to get fucked.
dan friesen
He knows that he deserves guilt and doesn't want to feel guilt.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And he sublimates that into hate.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's unfortunate.
It's unfortunate because it completely blocks off an entire path.
It blocks off an entire path of thinking that the present and the future don't have to mirror the past.
There's a positive world we can all work towards that doesn't involve tribalism.
Yeah.
unidentified
And doesn't involve curing tribalism with appeals to Jesus and the free martyrs.
dan friesen
There's a possible...
Better way forward, and Alex has just closed off to it.
jordan holmes
And it's just so self-destructive, that line of thought, because there's no way to...
It has to make you so fucking miserable all the time, and you don't even know...
You can't even articulate why.
Because what you think is making them miserable...
dan friesen
Well, you can.
You can articulate why.
jordan holmes
But it's the opposite, yeah.
dan friesen
You can articulate why, but you can only do it privately.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can't do it on the radio.
jordan holmes
You can do it on the radio, so long as you ascribe it to the people that you're against.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You say that they're the ones who are doing all that stuff.
dan friesen
And you can't do it...
If you ascribe it to yourself, you can't expect to continue to make an income.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
I think his show sucks.
And, you know, that is what it is.
But we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
On Friday.
jordan holmes
That's the plan.
dan friesen
With another adventure into Alex Jones' stupid, stupid world.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website, Dan.
It is knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
You bet it is.
We also are on Twitter.
unidentified
We are on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We're on Facebook!
And you, if you wanted to download our podcast or share it with somebody, what you should do is download it onto your phone.
Leave your phone unlocked and in a very public place and have it always playing and people will eventually find it.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
I think that's the best strategy.
jordan holmes
Forests.
Put them out there.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
We're big in the deer community.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Deer love us.
jordan holmes
Not John Deere.
They don't like us at all.
dan friesen
Not much.
jordan holmes
Tractor people are not our people, unfortunately.
dan friesen
It's not true.
That's not true.
jordan holmes
No, you're mistaking me.
I meant the tractor people.
dan friesen
Oh.
The people who are chimeras.
jordan holmes
Yes.
The half-tractors.
dan friesen
Yes.
They are not fans of us.
But that's because they don't think we're far left enough.
They are far gone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's strange.
Even they hate Carrie Cassidy.
It's wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, until we come back for another episode, I should tell you that Robin DiAngelo, the professor who charges $12,000 for a lecture, she has never killed anybody.
But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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