Today, Dan and Jordan return to the past to continue their investigation into what Alex Jones was up to in 2013. In this installment, Alex goes on a vacation, so he's out of studio for a week, but before he leaves, he references an obscure and very insane pastor, which naturally sent Dan down a very weird rabbit hole that may be very revealing.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| I need, I need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Stop it. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Have you ever had heat stroke? | ||
| Uh... | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Maybe? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not to the point where it's ever been diagnosed. | ||
| Like you've never passed out or anything like that? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| One time I got sun poisoning on a float trip. | ||
| Sun poisoning? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It's like a... | ||
| It's like too much vitamin D or something? | ||
| It's like a really bad version of sunburn. | ||
| It's much worse. | ||
| And it is a real thing. | ||
| I only point that out because my friends, when I said that I went to the doctor and they told me I had sun poisoning, they were like, that's not real. | ||
| Dude's making this shit up. | ||
| Like, nothing I've ever experienced. | ||
| Like, because it was all over my body. | ||
| Is it like a skin? | ||
| Like, it's all red skin? | ||
| It felt like needles coming up through my skin at all times. | ||
| Like, it was to the point where I was almost crying. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Pretty constantly. | ||
| And also, I was, like, taking cold baths. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just to, like... | ||
| Not, like, just to fight back in the way that I felt made sense. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And they were like, that's a terrible idea. | ||
| No, it relieved some of the pain. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then I would get out of the bath, and I would lay in bed on my stomach, biting the corner of my mattress. | ||
| Goddamn! | ||
| It was brutal. | ||
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That sucks. | |
| Yeah, it was so terrible. | ||
| But it was my own fault, too. | ||
| That's what made it worse. | ||
| Well, right, right. | ||
| So I went on a float trip, and I was just drunk by the time we started floating. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was just telling people, like, put on sunscreen. | ||
| I'm like, fuck sunscreen! | ||
| I was like 22 years old and just fucking stupid. | ||
| Yeah, you were back to the point where it's almost like you were trying to hurt yourself. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| If I recall correctly, I believe this was the same year that I got a MySpace temporary tattoo. | ||
| I stopped at a gas station that had temporary tattoos and one of them was just MySpace. | ||
| It's like, put it on my arm. | ||
| Now, that should have been a permanent tattoo, because it'll never go out of style. | ||
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No. | |
| I put it on my arm, and as we were floating down the river, it was my big bit, that every time we passed somebody else, I'd point at my tattoo and be like, you on MySpace? | ||
| I'm dying. | ||
| Anyways, you on MySpace? | ||
| The sun poisoning didn't start hurting until when I got back, but it was one of the worst. | ||
| I think I actually ended up... | ||
| Having to drop out of a college class because of that. | ||
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Jesus! | |
| It was a summer school class and I ended up missing like three days because it's like really condensed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The summer school schedule. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I remember going and talking to the professor and he's like, I don't really care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, fair. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, I got to drop. | ||
| Well, see you in hell then. | ||
| So I don't know about heat stroke, but that's the time that the sun has hurt me the most. | ||
| That's the worst thing I can think of. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's amazing. | ||
| I've never even considered that as a possibility. | ||
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Well. | |
| But that's because I hate. | ||
| The message is, if you go on a float trip, wear some fucking sunscreen. | ||
| Don't be like me. | ||
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Back when I was a dumb fuck kid. | |
| So stupid. | ||
| Anyway, this is a podcast where I know a lot about sun poisoning and Alex Jones. | ||
| And I really don't know much about either. | ||
| That's why I must educate you. | ||
| Yes, thank you. | ||
| Today we've got a really interesting, in-depth episode to go over. | ||
| I think there's some really important stuff that we will touch on and go over today. | ||
| But before we get to any of that, I believe that we would be wise to spend a little time saying thank you to some of the people who have signed up and are supporting the show and make all this possible. | ||
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| Final Fantasy, man. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Moogle, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's one of those things where I'm sure some of these names are references to things that I don't know what they are, and I'm glad it's Final Fantasy because anyone could probably slip through something. | ||
| That I just assume is a crazy name. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| Oh, that's Nazi propaganda. | ||
| Oh, that's a member of the Third Reich. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Cool. | ||
| Didn't know. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Uber Gruppenfuhrer Mugel. | ||
| Mugel. | ||
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| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
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| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
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| I declare... | ||
| Infowar on you. | ||
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| So thank you. | ||
| And we are a little bit behind on stuff because we missed two episodes with the move and the transition and then we're just bad in general. | ||
| Well, we didn't think anybody was going to listen or donate. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| We're bad in our predictions. | ||
| So we'll be doing some supplementary shout-outs at the end of this episode. | ||
| So stay tuned for that. | ||
| Stick around for that, yeah. | ||
| So Jordan, today what we're doing is we're going over some 2013 stuff. | ||
| And we're going over the time span of February 27th to March 10th. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| So, he's only in studio on the 27th and the 28th and then comes back on the 10th. | ||
| He has, like, Mike Adams, uh, one of his dumb employees, Aaron Dykes, uh, fills in as a host. | ||
| Like, he just gets guest hosts to fill in. | ||
| And, honestly, I believe that even the surrounding time, he's on vacation in his head. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, on the 27th and 28th, there's really not a whole lot to go over. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He comes back on the 10th. | ||
| There's nothing that I saw fit to pull as like, oh, this will make for an interesting episode. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There's just nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's checked out. | ||
| He knows that he needs to go on vacation and he knows that he's going to be gone for a nice week. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| He has senioritis. | ||
| I was about to say senioritis. | ||
| This is too weird. | ||
| We got to stop doing this. | ||
| The show's over. | ||
| You and I talk too much. | ||
| The show's over, guys. | ||
| So there's really not much to go over. | ||
| It's a really desolate period where there's not... | ||
| We go back to 2013 and we're tracking this in order to try and have a better understanding of how he covered Sandy Hook in particular. | ||
| We're seeing a lot of trends that are clearly related to the phenomenon that's happening in the conspiracy world around Sandy Hook. | ||
| The popularity of the conspiracy videos about it, the truther in quotes videos about it, the way Alex has started... | ||
| Covering all of these shootings with rank suspicion. | ||
| The way he's trying to glom into that market. | ||
| We're definitely seeing those things, but in terms of anything that relates to anything, nothing during this stretch. | ||
| I think about it, because sometimes when we're doing the 2013 episodes, I'm almost like, oh, that's right, we're talking about Sandy Hook, because these are so often unrelated. | ||
| But it is interesting to think about what's bubbling around Alex Jones during this time period. | ||
| Like, he may be talking about something random and weird, but all the while in the background on YouTube, there's new Sandy Hook truth or conspiracy videos coming out. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| By this point, like February and March, like it's all it's all pretty like it's it's bubbling up. | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Those those communities. | ||
| I would assume... | ||
| On some level within the ranks of InfoWars, there's probably some people who are thinking, like, why aren't we more on board? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| The other thing that I'm thinking about that I think is a failure of whatever we can do as an investigation is that we're not covering InfoWars nightly news. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Where Alex's cohorts are doing their reports. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| People like Rob Dew and David Knight, who worked there at the time. | ||
| I believe Jakari Jackson's doing the nightly news, too, at this point. | ||
| Like, they might be covering Sandy Hook shit more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it hasn't made it to Alex's varsity show as much. | ||
| It does come up, and he does definitely think the globalists did it. | ||
| Yeah, well, of course. | ||
| It's a false flag to him, at least. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But, you know, it is interesting to see the slow play. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And, like, there's just nothing going on. | ||
| So the only thing that I really feel like is worth talking about comes up on February 28th, right before he leaves for vacation. | ||
| Alex is in a terrible, terrible mood. | ||
| And it's because of a bill that he has caught wind of. | ||
| Murdering little kids isn't extreme. | ||
| Me getting upset, it's extreme. | ||
| Me getting freaked out by the legislation that Melissa Melton brought me this morning. | ||
| And I went and looked it up. | ||
| It's introduced in Texas for forced inoculations. | ||
| Every child care worker. | ||
| If you work at a Mr. Gaddy's and kids are around, you've got to take shots. | ||
| If you work at the YMCA, you've got to take shots. | ||
| I mean, just the end of everything. | ||
| So we got this bill. | ||
| There's actually two bills that Alex is responding to here that he has just been brought by his crack reporter, Melissa Melton, this morning. | ||
| He's completely losing his mind. | ||
| These are two bills in the Texas Senate, SB 63 and SB 64. SB 63 allowed some children to consent to receiving vaccines without parental permission. | ||
| However, the word some is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. | ||
| According to Texas's pre-existing family codes, there are a ton of instances where a child can consent to their own health care decisions, regardless of what their parents say. | ||
| For instance, since at least 1995, a child can make their own medical decisions in cases where the child is pregnant, or if abuse is suspected, or if the child is seeking treatment related to drug addiction. | ||
| There are plenty of instances where the state rightly realizes that demanding parental consent for treatment would put a child's life at risk, so that level of consent is not required. | ||
| All SB 63 did was amend the already existing instances of when a child could consent to their own health care with specific language around vaccination. | ||
| All this did, SB 63, was to make it explicit that a child can control their own vaccination decisions in a case when a child is pregnant or has a child of their own. | ||
| That's all it did. | ||
| And it's really crazy, because in all of Alex's coverage of this, while he's freaking out and screaming about it, I didn't hear him bring up any of that stuff. | ||
| It's just him rambling about how the government's trying to kill everyone. | ||
| And then, for SB64, this is really just an amending of Texas' Human Resource Code, to say that people who work in licensed childcare facilities need to be immunized for vaccine-preventable diseases, which I think makes pretty good sense. | ||
| No, that makes all the sense, and it would be infuriating. | ||
| Last night, while I was working, at the Zany's, somebody was an anti-vaxxer. | ||
| And I went ballistic. | ||
| On stage or in the crowd? | ||
| In the crowd. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I just went ballistic around that. | ||
| You really never know these days. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Touring comics. | ||
| You never know what they're going to pull out. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| The headliner is... | ||
| He was giving me some, like, white identity is what's under attack. | ||
| And I'm like, I gotta get the fuck out of here! | ||
| Wrong host to try and spit that to. | ||
| So anyway, this is just about that, about making, you know, amending the code slightly. | ||
| Alex would say that, you know, that's pretty discriminatory against people who just don't want to get vaccines or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, I'm fine with discriminating against people who don't want to get vaccines. | ||
| Well, here's the problem. | ||
| This amendment, SB 64, explicitly says that their policy will, quote, include procedures for facility employees to be exempt from required vaccines. | ||
| It goes on to say that it'll formulate guidelines, quote, for a facility employee. | ||
| Who is exempt from required vaccines include procedures the employee must follow to protect children under the facility's care from exposure to disease, such as the use of protective medical equipment, including gloves and masks, based on the level of risk the employee presents to children by the employee's routine and direct exposure to children. | ||
| They have a paragraph about how they need to, quote, prohibit discrimination or retaliatory action against a facility employee who is exempt from the required vaccines. | ||
| For something that's allegedly supposed to be about forcing everyone to get shots, it seems like SB 64 is going out of its way to accommodate people. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| I do. | ||
| But at the same time, maybe don't go that. | ||
| Trying to be as accommodating towards that. | ||
| Well, but if you are being accommodating at all, then you have to go really far because you have to set in place the guidelines in order to accommodate the people who are... | ||
| Like, you need to. | ||
| If you're going an inch, you've got to go a mile. | ||
| Yeah, you're absolutely right. | ||
| And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. | ||
| Some of the people who would be exempt from the vaccination requirements would be people who physically can't get vaccines. | ||
| And you do have to accommodate those people, and I think it's appropriate and right to do that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But SB64 explicitly lays out that they're also talking about people who are, quote, exempt from taking required vaccines based on reasons of conscience, including a religious belief. | ||
| That bill is not forcing anyone to get shots. | ||
| It's clearly about harm reduction and protecting the health of children. | ||
| It goes out of its way to respect the political and religious beliefs that lead people to argue that they don't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, now for some comedy. | ||
| Alex explicitly says that Melissa Melton, one of his reporters, brought him that story that morning. | ||
| This is February 28th, 2013. | ||
| And that's why he's in such a fucked up mood on this show. | ||
| And trust me, he is. | ||
| He is not great on air. | ||
| Both of those bills were introduced into the Texas Senate on November 12th, 2012. | ||
| It's been a quarter of a year since those bills were introduced, and somehow his crack staff had just now figured out about them. | ||
| These people are the tip of the spear. | ||
| Tireless researchers. | ||
| Tip of the spear. | ||
| Tireless. | ||
| They are the vanguard in the fight against bills from six months ago. | ||
| Now, just to be super clear about this and really illustrate my point, here is Alex Jones saying that SB63 was introduced this week. | ||
| This last week, which indicates to me that he either is very comfortable making shit up that he doesn't know was introduced in November 2012, or he's totally fine lying about it. | ||
| It has to be one of the two. | ||
| So I need to settle down. | ||
| I was very calm today until I saw, which they say has a good chance of passing, just introduced last week. | ||
| We've got SB number 63 and SB number 64. So there you go. | ||
| I mean, he's just a liar or an idiot who's fine making things up. | ||
| There's no two ways about it. | ||
| Or Melissa told him. | ||
| Maybe, I mean, I'm going to go out of my way to give him the benefit of the doubt, but maybe Melissa did a shitty job and she just wanted to cover it up, so she just told him. | ||
| And he would believe it. | ||
| Yeah, third possibility is just laziness to the point of accepting other people's made-up shit. | ||
| Okay, one of those three things. | ||
| They're all bad. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know why. | ||
| You're not going to shake me from that. | ||
| I don't know why that was a defense. | ||
| So I listen to tons and tons of Alex in order to know what's going on through this stretch of February 27th to March 10th. | ||
| And that's it in terms of the stuff that I think deserves coverage on our show. | ||
| That's not a lot. | ||
| That is not a lot. | ||
| So, you know, these episodes are really boring and, like, co-hosts and stuff are not really worthwhile. | ||
| And thankfully, it's one of these things, like, Alex is a giver. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, I often find, whenever there are really bad stretches of his show where there's not a lot of content going on, oftentimes if you pay close attention, you'll find something that merits discussion and... | ||
| There is one such thing that happens during the February 27, 2013 episode that sent me on a very interesting crusade that I believe opens up a really terrifying glimpse into potential things that Alex Jones believes and offers context to some of the things that we've talked about for quite a while that I'm troubled by. | ||
| So here is that clip from the February 27 episode. | ||
| And the Bible says, if we get biblical, that there'll also be remnant areas and protected areas. | ||
| And I believe Texas is going to be one of those areas. | ||
| I mean, Pastor David J. Smith said praying to God like 30 years ago, he was told, move to Texas. | ||
| This is all going to happen. | ||
| I mean, the point is that you've got to know that there's not all doom. | ||
| We need to stand against this regardless. | ||
| Maybe get a reprieve like Nineveh got for 100 years. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| So it's fascinating. | ||
| He always talks about Nineveh. | ||
| That's so big in his... | ||
| He's constantly around the 2016 election. | ||
| He always talked about how Trump getting in isn't going to create a utopia, but it'll give us a reprieve like Nineveh. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's interesting. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's so consistent that he's always just buying time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that is an interesting way of looking at it. | ||
| And it's the same thing we heard on, I don't remember if it was the last episode or the one before it, where he's talking about his dog. | ||
| Where he, you know, he got all that pain medication. | ||
| Yeah, he got a couple of years just to, yeah. | ||
| He gave that dog a reprieve like Nineveh, but it died. | ||
| Yeah, well, of course, like Nineveh. | ||
| Anyway, I think he has probably some weird ideas about what's worth artificially continuing and what's not. | ||
| But anyway, that's not the issue. | ||
| I've always found it really interesting when Alex gets specific about what sorts of religious figures he thinks positively of. | ||
| He talks really negatively about a lot of folks. | ||
| He hates the glitter bug churches. | ||
| I believe he's been pretty consistently negative about prosperity gospel folk. | ||
| And the mainstream Christianity is an enemy to him. | ||
| He always talks about how the church is infiltrated. | ||
| But I've really never found that he generally... | ||
| He generally doesn't talk too specifically about what sorts of religious influences he thinks are good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Has he ever told us, like, oh, I go to this church? | ||
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No! | |
| No, right? | ||
| I think that would be unsafe. | ||
| For the church, for himself. | ||
| For everybody. | ||
| For Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, no, I don't believe he goes to church, quite frankly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems weird to me to say that maybe it's inappropriate because, you know, that's a person's private life. | ||
| It's weird for me to make an assumption about it, but I would be fairly surprised. | ||
| I mean, he does his show on Sundays. | ||
| Yeah, I was just about to say he does a Sunday show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We know basically that he thinks demons walk among us, that he's in a literal battle with a literal devil, and that the rapture is happening after the tribulation. | ||
| Post-trib! | ||
| Afterwards. | ||
| Then that conveniently allows him to blend these ideas of religious piety and righteous trench warfare, the fantasies that he has about that, into one. | ||
| The post-trib rapture allows that. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| This clip that we just heard is part of an interview with a woman named Catherine Albrecht. | ||
| It's supposed to be about the RFID chips that are going to be put in everybody, but it quickly descends into how these RFID chips are the literal, biblical mark of the beast. | ||
| And from there, it's just a hop, skip, and a jump for them to turn the show into outright televangelism. | ||
| Everybody's got to get right with God. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I've never heard anybody in the Christian faith tell me that the literal Mark of the Beast was coming. | ||
| Never heard that one before. | ||
| In the middle of this, Alex and Catherine express that the end times are probably inevitable and that they're just going to have to survive them. | ||
| And Alex there says that Texas is going to be important in that, and he cites David J. Smith as a figure who agrees with him. | ||
| The rest of their interview is boring, so I decided to check into who this pastor was that Alex was referencing. | ||
| And my gut told me he would lead me somewhere weird. | ||
| Now, one thing that's important to point out is that David J. Smith is a very obscure figure to people like you and me. | ||
| And the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| His name is one that only a very specific sort of person would bring up in conversation, particularly in a positive way, as someone whose opinion you should take seriously. | ||
| In 1980, David Smith founded the Church of God Evangelistic Association after he broke away from the Worldwide Church of God. | ||
| The Worldwide Church of God, in turn, was founded by Herbert Armstrong in 1931 under the name the Radio Church of God. | ||
| Ooh, no, bad. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| From that name? | ||
| I think you might be guessing that this church might have been like a performative church. | ||
| Yeah, pass, pass. | ||
| Maybe an early televangelism hustle. | ||
| Hard pass. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| So Armstrong's career was characterized by doomsday predictions that routinely failed to materialize. | ||
| He had a pretty good run, and when it was all over, his influence would be pretty substantial, possibly not in the way he intended it to be, but by the mid to late 1970s, things were not going great for his church. | ||
| Armstrong's son was trying to start a splinter group, and he'd been excommunicated from the group. | ||
| Armstrong's wife had passed away, and he'd remarried a woman half a century younger than him. | ||
| Accusations of malfeasance were flying around him all over the place. | ||
| So it only makes sense that an enterprising member of that group would see it as the right time to start their own thing. | ||
| And that's exactly what David J. Smith did. | ||
| So, when Smith started his Church of God Evangelistic Association, he didn't stray too far from some of the basic tenets of Armstrong's theology. | ||
| And one of the central beliefs that he retained was Armstrong's teachings about British Israelism, which might strike you as a foreign concept. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Because, of course, I would put together Israel and Britain. | ||
| Those two things seem so closely related to me in my theological history. | ||
| I guess you can kind of guess what it is from those two words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| White Jews. | ||
| White people are the white people. | ||
| You're not far off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The subject of British Israelism is a really complicated thing, and it means a bunch of different things in different contexts. | ||
| So it's important for me to be pretty clear about what we're talking about as we go through this. | ||
| At its core, British Israelism, or Anglo-Israelism, is the belief that white Anglo-Saxons, primarily those of Western European heritage, are the direct descendants of the ten lost tribes of Israel. | ||
| That makes perfect sense to me. | ||
| Check. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I believe that now. | ||
| Proponents of the theory point to Bible stories about Jacob, later to be renamed Israel, who had 12 sons, each of whom gave birth to their own tribes, the 12 tribes of Israel. | ||
| When Solomon died, only two of these tribes, those of Judah and Benjamin, would accept the rule of Solomon's son Rehoboam. | ||
| Rehoboam was a shitty and cruel leader, and his ascent to the throne would result in what amounted to a civil war. | ||
| These two tribes that sided with him became the southern kingdom, or the kingdom of Judah, and the ten other tribes were the northern kingdom, or the kingdom of Israel. | ||
| In the 720s BCE, the Assyrians invaded and sent all those but the tribes in the southern kingdom into exile, and as the story goes, the ten tribes became lost. | ||
| However, archaeology, anthropology, and historical records do not agree with this simplistic and clear-cut version of these tribes just getting lost to history. | ||
| Many members of these tribes fled back to the southern kingdom and were reabsorbed into that population. | ||
| Others were taken back to Assyria and Medea, where they were assimilated into those cultures. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| It's not like it was a Walmart and they just got lost in there, never to be seen from again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In 586 BCE, Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon attacked the southern kingdom and the population was exiled. | ||
| Shout out to Nebi. | ||
| This population of the southern kingdom, Judah, was by that point constituted of the two tribes who stayed loyal to Rehoboam, as well as many of the members of the northern kingdom who had fled Right, of course. | ||
| The people are real. | ||
| The struggles are real. | ||
| The heritage is real. | ||
| But the idea that these tribes got lost is seen by most scholars as more myth than history. | ||
| The consensus opinion is that between the Assyrian invasion of the northern kingdom and the Babylonian invasion of the southern kingdom, most of the members of these tribes had become integrated into the larger identity of the kingdom of Judah or into the places where they had ended up, like Assyria. | ||
| Well, as in national history, it makes sense to put that myth together because that way you almost immediately remove the tribal identity of those, quote, lost tribes, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you are in one of those lost tribes and you came back, you're no longer in that lost tribe. | ||
| You're in ours. | ||
| So you create the myth that they're lost as opposed to, like... | ||
| They came back, or they got kicked out, or, you know, Assyria took them, that kind of thing, in order to strengthen your own national identity. | ||
| So, flash forward to more modern days. | ||
| For centuries, legends about the Lost Tribes have been very popular. | ||
| One of the often-repeated myths said that the tribes were, quote, in a region situated beyond the miraculous and impassable river of Samateon, who flows for six days of the week and stops on Shabbat, when the ten tribes are forbidden to travel. | ||
| Poetic explanations abounded for why no one had found the tribes, even though people were looking really hard for them. | ||
| So hard. | ||
| So it's like that. | ||
| Isn't that just like a really fun thing? | ||
| Like the idea of there's this magical river that stops only on the time when they can't cross it. | ||
| Yeah, it's Atlantis. | ||
| It's a fucking Brigadoon. | ||
| I like that, though. | ||
| I enjoy that image in my head. | ||
| No, I love it. | ||
| It's a fun image. | ||
| Then, in 1590, a book called The Ten Lost Tribes was published. | ||
| The book gave the first voice to the theory that groups like the Celts, the Germans, the Scandinavians, they were in fact the tribes of Israel that had gotten lost. | ||
| While the theory didn't go mega-viral, it did gain a little bit of traction early on, and here's where one of the most important distinctions comes into play. | ||
| In the 1600s, as this idea began to spread a little bit in Britain, it was not explicitly anti-Semitic. | ||
| The proponents of this theory believe that the people who were Jewish were the descendants of the tribes of Judah, and that the white Anglo-Saxons were the ten tribes that got lost. | ||
| So they were all Israelites. | ||
| It could definitely be described as co-opting, but at that point in history, the ideas were not being spread to deny Jewish people their heritage or to demonize them. | ||
| There were plenty of other problems with the theory back then, which we'll get into later, but anti-Semitism was not one of them. | ||
| So it was just kind of one of those, like, why is it, it's almost fitting together why we believe in our version of Christianity with why are we completely different people? | ||
| So you kind of say, well... | ||
| Now, we're also Jews, so that makes more sense in that context? | ||
| There's probably a little piece of it that's that, but I think that there's a much larger reason, which we'll get into later. | ||
| I think there's some timing issues. | ||
| So, these notions existed in small pockets for a long time, finally reaching their peak in the late 1800s and into the early 1900s. | ||
| In the early 1900s, as these theories began to take hold in the United States, that is the point where things got ugly. | ||
| Here's the final caveat I will give on the matter. | ||
| There are apparently still some churches that exist that believe in British Israelism that don't hate Jewish people, but they are the exception, not the rule. | ||
| In the 1920s in the United States, British Israel beliefs were co-opted by outright bigots and anti-Semites. | ||
| And ever since that point, the ideas have been almost their exclusive domain. | ||
| The group Christian Identity traces their roots to British Israelism. | ||
| The identity that they base their worldview on is the belief that the white race's true identity is the Lost Tribes of Israel. | ||
| Christian Identity is a loosely organized, theologically entwined, overtly white supremacist terrorist party. | ||
| It wouldn't be right to call them a group since they have a penchant for decentralization, and they follow the leaderless resistance model popularized by Louis Beam, who was an adherent of Christian Identity. | ||
| Goddammit! | ||
| Christian identity's fingerprints are all over the history of the people behind right-wing terrorism and hate groups since the 1950s. | ||
| Their path intersects with the Klan, the Aryan Nations, the militia movement of the 90s, the American Nazi Party, and its founder, George Lincoln Rockwell. | ||
| The key difference between British Israelism in the 1600s in Britain and the 1900s in America is that whereas the prior believed that Jews were also descendants of Israel, the latter did not. | ||
| As the British Israelism beliefs became co-opted by the Christian identity movement, the narrative changed. | ||
| No longer was the theory just that white people were also Israelites. | ||
| It was now that they were the only true Israelites, and that a vast majority of the people who think they're Jewish are imposters. | ||
| Okay, well, stop that. | ||
| All of you. | ||
| All of you. | ||
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| No! | ||
| That's insane! | ||
| It's wild stuff. | ||
| But it underpins a ton of these right-wing movements. | ||
| It's insidious and it's very difficult to track. | ||
| How many people or what people are into? | ||
| Because no one's like, hey, I'm a Christian identity preacher. | ||
| Or at least most don't. | ||
| But their ideas can be very clearly traced a lot of the time. | ||
| And that's one of the things that is really murky and really hard about this world. | ||
| It's amazing to me how far these people go to justify their bigotry. | ||
| It all starts from you think white people are the best. | ||
| And then you have to create these... | ||
| Fantastical situations where you're like, no, it's okay. | ||
| I think white people are the best. | ||
| I think a lot of it can be traced to the idea of wanting to retain a self-image of being Christian and upholding Christian ideas. | ||
| While at the same time hating people, even though Christ would be against them. | ||
| Finding a way to rationalize and hold those two positions simultaneously, I think, is a large part of people who buy into the... | ||
| But it also is much... | ||
| Easier than maybe giving up whatever security you feel in your supremacy. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, some Christian identity folks swing for the fences and argue that Jews are literally descended from the devil. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But the more mainline position is that the Anglo-Saxons, as the tribes that got lost, carry out the pure bloodline. | ||
| The descendants of the tribe of Judah, though they believe that they're Israelites, their ancestors were actually a population of Turks who converted to Judaism as part of an elaborate plan aimed at taking out the true Israelites. | ||
| I can already hear you asking, Jordan. | ||
| What do these Turkish people have against the Anglo-Saxons? | ||
| What is it that they want? | ||
| I wasn't going to ask that. | ||
| Podcast over. | ||
| The answer goes back to Genesis 25 and the story of Jacob and Esau. | ||
| Esau was Isaac's firstborn son, and as such, he was entitled to a larger share of the inheritance and all the rights of lineage that come along with being recognized as the firstborn. | ||
| The name for this in the Bible is Birthright. | ||
| Genesis 25 tells the story of Esau returning home very hungry from work and asking Jacob for some stew. | ||
| Jacob offers him food if Esau will give him his birthright. | ||
| Esau agrees, and the birthright is transferred to Jacob. | ||
| Esau later marries women that Isaac forbade him to marry, and then Jacob still has to pretend to be Esau in order to be bestowed with Isaac's birthright. | ||
| Blessing. | ||
| But the point is that Esau was the firstborn, and ultimately the birthright went to Jacob, and this pissed off Esau. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, Jacob just put his... | ||
| It was his mom, I believe. | ||
| Made him dress up like... | ||
| Yeah, Esau had hairy arms, so he lost his birthright. | ||
| That's the score? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Jacob made his arms hairy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure how common a belief it is among the British Israel folks, but I can tell you with certainty that the version of British Israelism that David J. Smith preaches specifically believes that the Turks who decided to pass themselves off as Jews did so because they're descendants of Esau, and they've been carrying out a centuries-long con – God, that's so much work to believe that. | ||
| That's exhausting to me. | ||
| The idea of, like... | ||
| Oh yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Seems like you have to spend so much time like diagramming the reasons that they would do this shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like maybe it's just not true and everybody's cool, man. | ||
| Try that one. | ||
| Pastor David J. Smith, I imagine, would refuse the label of Christian identity. | ||
| And from all his sermons I've listened to, I get a strong sense that he doesn't think he's a white supremacist. | ||
| And I disrespectfully disagree with that assessment. | ||
| I believe him to be as outright a white supremacist and anti-Semino. | ||
| night as I've ever come across doing this podcast. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I felt it was important to walk through some of that differentiation between British Israelism and what it's become, because David Smith would admit that he believes in British Israelism. | ||
| But in reality, taken on the merits of his beliefs, he is far closer to being a Christian identity preacher than he is to being one of the pro-Jewish eccentrics espousing British Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| White people fucking up. | ||
| Put simply, Herbert Armstrong was one of the largest proponents of the British Israelism theory in America, long after the point it was very discredited, and long after the idea had taken hold as a large piece of white supremacist rhetoric in the United States. | ||
| Herbert Armstrong, whose worldwide church of God... | ||
| Which is where David J. Smith came from. | ||
| That original church didn't start until 1931. | ||
| In 1920s is when the Christian identity movement started to co-opt British Israelism. | ||
| So the idea that this is all after these ideas had already become very associated with overt anti-Semite... | ||
| It's troubling. | ||
| Yeah, these guys, because I remember specifically in the 1920s when... | ||
| You remember the 1920s? | ||
| No, fuck off! | ||
| I'm talking about the massive amounts of anti-Semitism that were just in public discourse. | ||
| Which is normal. | ||
| Yeah, just articles in the New York Times being like, should Jews be allowed to live in America and all this stuff? | ||
| And that was one of the things where... | ||
| When Hitler, like, when Germany was exterminating the Jews, he kind of thought that we would be on board. | ||
| And a large section of the population was. | ||
| Totally was. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So anytime somebody's like, we're the good guys in World War II, it's like, we were a hair's breadth away from being... | ||
| Could have easily not been. | ||
| Accessories, yeah. | ||
| So when David J. Smith started his church in 1980... | ||
| 1980 is when he started his church. | ||
| Good time. | ||
| This was a belief he decided to hold on to. | ||
| So, you might be able to tell a few things about him from that choice. | ||
| Or at least get some... | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| David J. Smith did differentiate himself from Armstrong's church a little bit, in that he added in a ton of preaching about conspiracy theories, particularly about the dangers of communism and the creation of a one-world government. | ||
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Sure. | |
| His sermon titles from the mid-1980s through the mid-1990s read like a lexicon of Alex Jones' conspiracy theories. | ||
| From November 24, 1984. | ||
| Quote, why the coming cashless society? | ||
| Ooh, cashless society. | ||
| That's a buzzword for Alex. | ||
| I've heard that one. | ||
| From February 8, 1991. | ||
| Quote, history of the Illuminati and New World Order. | ||
| So, man, I kind of think church would have been more fun if my pastor was like, just going to talk a little bit about the Illuminati. | ||
| Okay, we're going to go through Daniel 11. I've listened to hours and hours of his sermons, and they are not fun. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know what's interesting, though? | ||
| I've listened to so much of David J. Smith talk, and it really was like being back in church. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I kept thinking, like, wrap it up. | ||
| He's giving these hour-long sermons. | ||
| I kept sitting here in my chair like, I can almost get up. | ||
| He's got to be cut. | ||
| He's got to be finished. | ||
| He's very weird. | ||
| You laid your head down on the back of the pew in front of you and you just took a little nap and you got that red spot on your head. | ||
| I really wanted to find a program so I could see if he was getting close to done. | ||
| Hitting his bullet points. | ||
| Benediction! | ||
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Benediction! | |
| So some other of his sermons. | ||
| One of these, this one's from sometime in the mid-1980s. | ||
| Quote, rapture. | ||
| When? | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| Post-trib. | ||
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He's doing clickbait titles for his sermons? | |
| Totally. | ||
| Post-trib. | ||
| From 1992. | ||
| Quote, Bill Clinton's Bilderberg connection. | ||
| That's a sermon. | ||
| Did he do two L's in Bilderberg to really hit the Bill Clinton, you know, Bilderberg? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| From 1996, quote, gun confiscation accompanied by genocide. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He did a nine-part series called, quote, dismantling America for world government. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| These are sermons. | ||
| Nine part? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nine part series. | ||
| So it would be nine weeks of going to church for over two months. | ||
| And he's just like, now here is how they're going to take apart the United States. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I haven't heard of serialized church before. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| He does it a lot. | ||
| That is interesting. | ||
| He does it a lot. | ||
| There's another five-part one that I listened to that was so boring. | ||
| People are looking at episode four and five and they're like, this isn't really good. | ||
| But listen, it's like The Wire. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| If you stick through the bar five, yeah. | ||
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It's worth it. | |
| I'm here to tell you, it's not worth it. | ||
| He rails on the same bad guys as Alex does. | ||
| The Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group. | ||
| He uses the same sources as Alex does, like Nundere Call It Conspiracy and W. Cleon Skousen. | ||
| He even seems to admire a lot of the same people. | ||
| There's so much in Alex Jones here, and a lot of his work long predates Alex ever getting on air. | ||
| I can't say with any certainty that a ton of Alex's ideas come from David J. Smith, but there's enough interesting parallels that it really makes you start to wonder. | ||
| For instance, David J. Smith was operating out of Waxahachie, Texas in the early 1980s. | ||
| Alex was born in 1974, and in the early 80s, he lived in Dallas, Texas, a city less than 30 miles north of Waxahachie. | ||
| Waxahachie, in fact, is right in between the city of Dallas and Freestone County, where Alex's dad owned a fair share of mineral interests. | ||
| Just as Armstrong's ministry began as a radio televangelism operation, that was part of David Smith's work, too, as he ran a radio show called Newswatch Magazine, whose shortwave signal almost definitely reached Dallas and Freestone County. | ||
| I'd like to take that a step back. | ||
| It definitely reached those, because shortwave is designed to go long distances. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| 30 miles is nothing for a shortwave transmitter. | ||
| So just like... | ||
| Like, on a long road trip, my dad would put a Prairie Home Companion on the radio. | ||
| It's entirely possible that Alex and his dad are in the car and his dad just puts on... | ||
| Or at the home. | ||
| Or at the home. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Yeah, it's pretty wild. | ||
| So as I was going over this stuff and looking into David J. Smith, I couldn't shake the feeling there was something really big here that Alex let slip by referencing David J. Smith as being someone who said that Texas would be safe during the... | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Because that also makes sense. | ||
| It's such a non-sequitur, this preacher that I had not really heard of. | ||
| I hadn't really heard Alex talk much about. | ||
| But you start to look at it and there's so many similarities. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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There's a geographical connection and a couple of very specific pieces of rhetoric, but that doesn't seem to. | |
| Sure, it's the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I needed to know more, so I sat down, and like I said, I listened to tons of David J. Smith's radio sermons. | ||
| I lost count of how many hours of his rambling I've listened to, but from what I've listened to, I find it very difficult to imagine that Alex didn't listen to this show. | ||
| There's just far too many things that overlap, far too many little details that seem insanely suspicious. | ||
| So what I've done here is I've compiled from my God knows how many hours of listening to this dumbass preach a bunch of clips that I think are going to walk us through an experience that we can see if this is convincing to you or to the listeners that there is... | ||
| So you're about to prove that... | ||
| White people are descended from the Lost Tribes of Israel, right? | ||
| That's what you're about to tell all of us that British Israelism is actually correct, right? | ||
| No, you have that wrong. | ||
| No, I've got that wrong. | ||
| I apologize if that's what you... | ||
| What I am going to hopefully demonstrate, or what I'm going to attempt to demonstrate, is first of all that David J. Smith is a proto-Alex Jones, that he was doing Alex's show before Alex was. | ||
| And then secondarily, I would like to give people a glimpse... | ||
| Into what sort of show Alex was listening to if he listened to David J. Smith's show. | ||
| Because it's not just New World Order conspiracies. | ||
| There are other things being discussed on this show that I think would be really weird to imagine that Alex thinks is okay. | ||
| So the first thing I'd like to demonstrate with these clips is that David J. Smith is the sort of British Israelism preacher who believes that most Jews aren't Jews. | ||
| This is a huge problem, since this distinction puts him much closer to the Christian identity side of things than just the British Israelism side of things. | ||
| And I believe that that's important to nail down, because that is how I look at this David J. Smith, and I don't want people to think that that is undeserved. | ||
| So here is him saying, well, basically just that. | ||
| 92% of all people on the face of the earth who claim to be Jews are not blood-related Jews. | ||
| They are converts, proselytes to Judaism. | ||
| So, 92% of the Jews in the world are not Jews. | ||
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Did he take a survey, or was there a poll? | |
| Like, how did he get to 92%? | ||
| It is pretty specific, isn't it? | ||
| It's a very specific number. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm just amazed whenever people make those wild claims and they just pick that number 92% out of the air with nothing behind it. | ||
| I imagine he does have something behind it. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Well, I mean, something that's dumb. | ||
| Yeah, that's bullshit. | ||
| But I bet he does. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| So David Smith believes that the current day Jews are actually descendants of Esau, as I mentioned earlier. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And make no mistake about it, he sees them as the villains in the story of world history. | ||
| In this next clip, Smith explains how Eastern European Jews, who he feels are descendants of Esau, are responsible for many of the things that he thinks are bad in the world, including international communism. | ||
| They were very few in number. | ||
| These were the racially pure Jews who went across and converted other people, and then they began to break down the bloodline. | ||
| But there is other Jews who historically... | ||
| We have to trace back and see where they came from. | ||
| And if we don't, then we're not going to understand Bible prophecy. | ||
| So I think it's vital that we do. | ||
| Now, when you start studying the origin of the East European Jews, this becomes very interesting. | ||
| Because who was it that overthrew the Tsar in Russia? | ||
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Oh, God, no. | |
| The Eastern European Jews. | ||
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Really? | |
| Who was it that set up international communism? | ||
| The Eastern European Jews. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Who is it trying to stamp out the United States, the British Commonwealth, all over the world, and to do away with Christianity today? | ||
| Eastern European Jews. | ||
| Excuse me, sir. | ||
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| Could you, sorry, one quick question, sir, sir. | ||
| Do you have any evidence that this is true? | ||
| Well, I will tell you that he does reference that he's uneducated. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Well, then good. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Because, you know, God tells you that you can't understand everything with your senses, right? | ||
| So you need to be able to spiritually get this stuff. | ||
| Now I feel like that's a cop-out. | ||
| It's also a really dangerous standard of proof to accept. | ||
| Anything you feel might be real. | ||
| Yeah, you know it's really bad whenever he can't even say the word Jew, period, without giving you the hard J. Like, any time he says Jew, it's a racial slur. | ||
| We're two clips into this, and you're already getting, I believe, the message that I was hoping to transmit, and that is, this dude is fucked up. | ||
| This dude is fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in case you need it spelled out a little more explicitly, here's David J. Smith explaining that modern-day Jews, particularly Eastern Europe, It is now Esau and his descent coming up claiming to be God's chosen people when they are not. | ||
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And now we want to go into some scriptures and find out whether this is true or not. | |
| Because the Jews of Eastern Europe are the ones who are behind the push for world government. | ||
| So all of this stuff is anti-world government. | ||
| It's working against the New World Order that he believes is being formed by international communism that's being pushed by Jews. | ||
| This is a very clear... | ||
| It's very easy to see through what's going on here. | ||
| That is, he believes that Jews are trying to take over the world. | ||
| Now... | ||
| God, it is so fucking silly to me how they believe God works like a fairy godmother, you know? | ||
| Oh, well, see, because one time, one guy tricked his dad. | ||
| Well, then clearly all of these people forever are evil. | ||
| There's an even weirder version of that coming up in one of these clips. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
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Why do you believe God is of the fae folk? | |
| Like, what are you guys doing? | ||
| You can't spell fairy godmother without God, bro. | ||
| No, damn it! | ||
| You got me! | ||
| So, in Smith's conception, these Eastern European imposter Jewish folk... | ||
| They're creating international communism and socialism with the explicit goal of taking back Esau's birthright that was given to Jacob and then, according to Smith, carried on by the United States and Britain. | ||
| And it's very interesting to me, this is just a sidelight, that in Revelation 17 it talks about a beast that's going to rise up out of the sea. | ||
| And it's called a scarlet-colored beast. | ||
| And scarlet is red. | ||
| And what do we see? | ||
| The global network today that is engulfing the world. | ||
| It's already taken all of Asia, most of Africa, half of Europe. | ||
| It's coming up through South America today. | ||
| It's called international communism or the Reds. | ||
| And yet this Red Beast of Revelation 17 is now riding and it's going to conquer and it's going to end up being a world government. | ||
| And it's going to be... | ||
| Esau trying to regain his birthright that he sold to Israel. | ||
| That's exactly what's going on. | ||
| That's exactly what's going on. | ||
| How could that possibly be? | ||
| That's exactly what's going on. | ||
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No, it can't be. | |
| So that conception that he has just created there is explicitly making a battlefield between Anglo-Saxon peoples. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| Which is exactly what neo-Nazis preach to their converts. | ||
| It's the neo-Nazi worldview, that there is eternal tension between Jews and non-Jews. | ||
| What if there just wasn't, and we were all cool? | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I'm going to go with that one. | ||
| But it's not just that the Jews are descendants from Esau, and not to steal white people's birthright. | ||
| That's not what just makes them evil. | ||
| Also, according to Smith, Jews are also evil magicians. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| Teach you in the Kabbalah how to have demonism, how to raise up spirits, necromancer, witchcraft, right in their own books of the Talmud. | ||
| How much clearer it can get? | ||
| No wonder it says they're of the synagogue of Satan, but they claim to be Jews, God's chosen people, when they're not. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Excuse me, Pastor. | ||
| You're doing a lot of raising your hand. | ||
| Pastor, so could you point to the Talmud where it teaches you how to raise the dead? | ||
| There's step-by-step instructions. | ||
| It's like the anarchist cookbook. | ||
| Okay, cool, cool. | ||
| Could you give me those verses? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| No, you can't? | ||
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Okay, sorry. | |
| But you can raise the dead if you read it, so that's good. | ||
| Also, that is part and parcel of his... | ||
| Explanation for why the Jews are to blame for their own exile from places and being run out of countries. | ||
| They're not run out of countries. | ||
| Because they were raising the dead? | ||
| Because they're magicians! | ||
| When did the mummy come out? | ||
| Is this Brendan Fraser's heyday? | ||
| It's a nutty level of victim blaming. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| There's a very blunt denial of Jewish identity that's happening throughout Smith's sermons. | ||
| And it's very hard to imagine that a person could listen to him for any stretch of time and not get these messages loud and clear. | ||
| White people are the real Israelites and God's chosen people. | ||
| And the Jews are trying to create a world government system in order to deprive white people of their rightful place in the world and their birthright. | ||
| And also Jews do necrophysicism. | ||
| See, that just doesn't make sense to me. | ||
| It does not make sense. | ||
| I'm going to go with a pass on that one. | ||
| Also, an important distinction is that David Smith preaches that Jews know that they aren't really Israelites. | ||
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| They're aware of it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Remember, I'm using nothing but Jewish literature itself to show they know the truth of this matter. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Excuse me, Pastor. | ||
| Keep raising your hand. | ||
| Excuse me, Pastor. | ||
| Another question from the back. | ||
| Could you point to this Jewish literature that you are... | ||
| He doesn't reference a Jewish encyclopedia a lot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, just like that, not only do you have an enemy on the world stage, an explicit battlefield between two forces, you have an enemy that's keenly aware of their evil and deceit. | ||
| You remove the possibility that maybe Smith is the first person to discover all this stuff, so the Jewish people don't know what they're up to and what's going on. | ||
| No. | ||
| They know what they're doing, and they know that it's evil. | ||
| That sort of thinking can only lead to one conclusion. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| David Smith doesn't shy away from that natural conclusion. | ||
| Obadiah, 18 through 21. And the house of Jacob shall be a fire. | ||
| And the house of Joseph, that's the twin sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, a flame. | ||
| In other words, a light. | ||
| And the house of Esau for stubble. | ||
| What burns up in fire? | ||
| Stubble. | ||
| And they shall kindle in them and devour them. | ||
| And there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau. | ||
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So Esau is going to be destroyed because they hate the God of Israel. | |
| And they're trying to take back the birthright that they forfeited. | ||
| Like, if you understand that clip, he's saying that the extermination of Jews will happen, and it's a necessary part of reaching his religion's final positive state of affairs. | ||
| Keep in mind, these are old recordings, but not pre-World War II old. | ||
| It's very clear that what David Smith is preaching and the idea that Alex might look at this guy as anything other than a kind of bland, milquetoast, but sincere hate preacher is incredibly scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's talking about exterminating the Jews. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're back at it where it's like he's not denying the Holocaust. | ||
| He's saying it didn't finish the job. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I believe, based on his New World Order ideas, there is still some of that, like the New World Order orchestrated things and what have you. | ||
| But even leaving that aside, yeah, if his idea is that Obadiah tells us that Ephraim and Manasseh, that's what he believes to be the United States and Britain, are going to be the light with which... | ||
| The sons of Esau are burnt up and none shall survive. | ||
| What the fuck else are you... | ||
| What are you talking about other than... | ||
| A fucking oven! | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Or the United States, the West. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Exterminating the Jews. | ||
| That's what he believes. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's what he believes. | ||
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That's fucked up. | |
| There's no way around it. | ||
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You hear stuff like that and it's like, holy fucking shit. | |
| Somebody take his Bible away! | ||
| Get his Bible out of there! | ||
| Also, how is this not like... | ||
| I don't understand why he's not more known. | ||
| This is somebody who... | ||
| You know, how to platform. | ||
| This is fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Give him a Judy Blume novel and take his Bible away, and maybe we'll get some better preaching out of this. | ||
| So, now, I want to get back to exactly what this birthright is that Smith feels is under attack by these Jewish people who are secretly the descendants of Esau who want their birthright back. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's not some kind of fruitfulness or prosperity or national success like you might hope it is. | ||
| It's explicitly world domination. | ||
| According to Smith's interpretation of scripture, God gave his birthright to white people, which gave them all manner of blessings. | ||
| They are entitled to enslave non-white people. | ||
| They're entitled to all the natural resources of the earth, even in countries that aren't their own. | ||
| They have their run of the show. | ||
| Earlier I mentioned that even back in the 1600s in Britain, these British Israelite beliefs didn't come from a good place. | ||
| And even if they weren't motivated by anti-Semitism, here's where this sort of comes in. | ||
| British Israelism, in its early formation, is largely seen as a way that ostensibly Christian people could rationalize the booming period of British colonialism. | ||
| In the late 1500s into the early 1600s, that's right in the period that's known as the First British Empire that began to take shape, as Britain prioritized colonizing as much of the world as possible, as opposed to fighting with other European countries like Spain over areas that had already been colonized. | ||
| In December 1600, the East India Company was founded, which would go on to be a massive force of colonialism through many corners of the world. | ||
| Oh, they were great. | ||
| If you read about the history of the East India Company, mmm, they were. | ||
| Look, nobody, nobody just committed genocide quite like they did. | ||
| What the British, and many other countries as well, were doing was immoral on its face. | ||
| They were going into territory that was inhabited and claiming it as their own, often enslaving or killing the native populations that didn't get on board with the program. | ||
| But simultaneously, the country and the people were trying to retain the moral high ground that what they were doing wasn't horribly evil. | ||
| Because according to what they profess to believe, if you look at it through that prism, it absolutely was horribly evil. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| These ideas are interesting at first, but I think the reason they fell out of favor and never really caught on is twofold. | ||
| I suspect that most people saw British Israelism as kind of over-complicating things. | ||
| Yeah, because it's overcomplicating things. | ||
| There are far easier ways to justify brutal nationalism than the steps you need to take in order to rationalize British Israel. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is the birthright that David J. Smith preaches about. | ||
| The birthright that white people have to dominate the world. | ||
| In this sermon, he expressly points out former colonies gaining independence as being counter to his version of biblical prophecies, and thus is proof that the sons of Esau are on the march. | ||
| Just as fast as we rose to prominence on the world scene, every one of these sea gates are being stripped from us one by one. | ||
| Rhodesia turned over. | ||
| Now it's a Marxist state. | ||
| Egypt, which controlled Britain, controlled all of Palestine and Egypt. | ||
| All of those are now free countries. | ||
| The Red Sea no longer belongs to Great Britain. | ||
| The Panama Canal has been given away from the United States. | ||
| It's not controlled by us anymore. | ||
| One by one, every single one of the colonies which fulfill these prophecies are being stripped from the United States and Great Britain today. | ||
| Every one of them. | ||
| This dude's fucking crazy. | ||
| He's a mess. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| It's so scary to hear like a baby in the background. | ||
| Yeah, that's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, because this is preaching. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In other sermons, he expands on his feelings about Rhodesia and South Africa, and he's very clear that he supports the apartheid governments in those countries. | ||
| Though Rhodesia had become Zimbabwe already, South Africa is still very much under apartheid rule when he's giving these sermons, and he's all about it. | ||
| It's profoundly fucked up to hear, especially considering the prism of history and the baby in the background. | ||
| I can't get over that. | ||
| This is so weird. | ||
| So given these considerations, we know that it's white people's birthright to rule over the world and colonize whatever they want, take whatever... | ||
| But what do you think black people's birthright is? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| No, I don't want to hear. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| If you guessed they get to be slaves literally forever, you guessed correctly. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| But notice now in verse 24. And Noah awoke from his wine, so he came out of his drunken stupor and knew what his younger son, now this wasn't the actual son, but it should have been grandson, had done unto him. | ||
| And he said, Cursed be Canaan. | ||
| This was the son of Ham. | ||
| He had done something to Noah while he was in a drunken stupor that literally set the course of history. | ||
| And notice what happened. | ||
| A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. | ||
| Now this is what we would call basically the African race of people that settle Africa. | ||
| Ham. | ||
| And God literally said that they would become servants. | ||
| All the way through the rest of history. | ||
| All through history forever. | ||
| Okay, okay, okay, okay. | ||
| So somebody got into a fucking bar fight so black people are slaves for forever? | ||
| I don't even know if it sounds like a bar fight. | ||
| It could have been a prank. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know all the ins and outs of that story because I just don't care. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Something happened to Noah when he was drunk and now black people are slaves forever. | ||
| I really don't think that's how God works. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| And people didn't, like... | ||
| Bum rush him and then like there was a dog pile of people like just putting their hands over his mouth saying never speak again. | ||
| No, they gave him money. | ||
| That's... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| White supremacists are fucking crazy, man. | ||
| So if you're keeping score, David Smith believes that there needs to be a righteous extermination of the Jews, who aren't really Jews, that white people should rule the world, and that black people are permanent slaves because someone pranked Noah while he was drunk one time. | ||
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| I think I've already said this on this episode, but it bears repeating. | ||
| David Smith is a complete white supremacist and an insane idiot. | ||
| Now that we've established some of these really dangerous and fucked up ideas that David Smith preaches, and if Alex was listening to this show, he was listening to stuff like this. | ||
| Yeah, when he was a kid. | ||
| Yeah, if he was. | ||
| Now, I think it's important that we need to take a little time and highlight some of the glaring similarities that he has with Alex Jones. | ||
| For one very basic thing, he believes that international socialism pretends to be atheistic, but is secretly about worshipping the devil. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the whole world is set up strategically right now for that final conflict between international socialism-communism, which calls itself atheism, but it's not. | ||
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It's those who control it worship Lucifer by name. | |
| So, that's a pretty concrete similarity between him and Alex. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And also the muddying the waters of communism and socialism. | ||
| Also, another pretty big similarity is that he believes that the Council on Foreign Relations is a globalist plot. | ||
| He's preaching, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, these are all sermons. | ||
| We're getting CFR in a sermon. | ||
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| Okay, cool. | ||
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Cool, cool, cool. | |
| But what about the Council on Foreign Relations and its globalist policy? | ||
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Globalist! | |
| Do they have a global policy? | ||
| Can you prove it? | ||
| If you can, how can you prove it? | ||
| The Council on Foreign Relations actually advocates the creation of a one-world government. | ||
| Now, the ultimate implication of this is that all power would be centralized into a single global authority, national identities, and boundaries would be eliminated. | ||
| in 1897 those exact plans were laid down in writing. | ||
| They were No, he's a Pez dispenser! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| You know, it illustrates a big similarity and a difference. | ||
| Similar in belief. | ||
| I mean, that could have just been Alex saying that. | ||
| Globalist. | ||
| Very similar. | ||
| Council on Foreign Relations, globalist, trying to create a world government, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But it's different in that Smith is willing to admit that he believes in the protocols of the elders of Zion. | ||
| He goes on to expound on his ideas about how the Council on Foreign Relations hates people who want to put America first. | ||
| Then he proceeds to lay out in this next clip a conspiracy that Alex Jones has made very central to his worldview. | ||
| In the entire CFR lexicon, that's their terminology, their language, there is no term of revulsion that repulses them carrying a meaning so deep as America first. | ||
| End of quote. | ||
| He says the Council on Foreign Relations hates the term America should be first. | ||
| We're the greatest nation on earth. | ||
| We should stay first. | ||
| The Council on Foreign Relations hates that terminology. | ||
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| Because you see, all the way back to Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Illuminati, they said there must be equality, brotherhood, and fraternity of all people. | ||
| They want to take controls of a world government and reduce all people in America to that of the third and fourth world countries so all people will be equal. | ||
| That's one of Alex's big ideas about the financial collapse stuff. | ||
| The idea that they need to destroy the economy in order to make everyone so poor that we can merge with third world countries. | ||
| That is clearly articulated by Smith years before Alex ever got on the radio. | ||
| This could be Alex's show before Alex existed. | ||
| Very clearly. | ||
| Alex even does talk about the Illuminati from time to time. | ||
| Especially he did earlier in his career. | ||
| I think it's embarrassing to talk about it too much now, but he didn't have that bugaboo before. | ||
| He was certainly fine with it. | ||
| I am amazed by, like, that guy can turn, well, so many of these dudes can turn this idea of like, hey, I... | ||
| Maybe let's not go crazy on the, like, America first and maybe bring other countries and everybody into the fold and bring everybody up to this equal place instead of, you know, keeping all of them down and turn that into what they're trying to do is kill everybody in America and make us all poor. | ||
| Make us poor so we can merge and they can rule forever. | ||
| Like a simple goal of, like, hey, let's be brothers with everybody. | ||
| They turn into something perverse and awful. | ||
| How is it that people just don't go like, oh, you're an asshole. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're just a dick. | ||
| I think it's a stunting of moral development to some extent. | ||
| Because a real early form of moral development is just sort of... | ||
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Share. | |
| I mean, even before that, it's your own personal needs being met. | ||
| Then there's like, okay, so my family... | ||
| We should protect my family. | ||
| And you have a larger social group, and you develop to understand, oh, all of us should be doing well. | ||
| And you expand out to a city, and a state, and a country, and eventually you get to the world. | ||
| And these guys just stop. | ||
| Whatever principles lead you to care for anyone, if you sit and think about it long enough, should become universal. | ||
| That's the only way we become a type 1 civilization. | ||
| Forget about that stuff because then you get into it. | ||
| America first and those sorts of ideas really are just a backstop against people developing fully on their moral path towards actualization of we're all people. | ||
| Anyway, if you really want to look at this, the overlap between Alex Jones and David Smith runs very deep. | ||
| For another thing, they both preach constantly about how the New World Order is trying to disarm the population in order to take over. | ||
| They said that they would have to carry out an operation to solve this problem was to create conditions in the United States of America under some pretext to disarm and confiscate all weapons from the people. | ||
| God loves guns. | ||
| How is this going to happen? | ||
| There could not be a world government. | ||
| There could not be an all-powerful government unless the citizens of the world were disarmed and could not defend themselves. | ||
| So he believes, much like Alex, that a necessary piece of bringing in this world government is disarming the population. | ||
| But if you listen even closer to that clip, you see that he also believes that the world government is going to use false flag. | ||
| Type situations in order to pursue their goals. | ||
| They're going to create circumstances. | ||
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| Bring about. | ||
| Because he believes in the Hegelian dialectic. | ||
| The problem-reaction-solution ideas. | ||
| He has sermons where he brings that up very clearly. | ||
| The overlap is insanely strong. | ||
| And he believes this, right? | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| I mean, well, like with Alex. | ||
| There's a lot of shit that he says that we all know he's bullshitting about, and he doesn't actually believe it. | ||
| I mean, it seems like a real crazy thing for him to do this and not believe it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is so intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so scary. | ||
| So, honestly, we could do this all day. | ||
| Like, almost any conspiracy that Alex Jones believes about the Illuminati or New World Order or world government is echoed in the sermons of David J. Smith. | ||
| The Federal Reserve is evil. | ||
| Taxation is theft. | ||
| They want to destroy your families. | ||
| The mainstream churches have been infiltrated by the New World Order. | ||
| There's so much substantive overlap. | ||
| But if I'm being honest, that piece of their overlap was less interesting to me than some of the more subtle connections that you can find if you pay close attention. | ||
| For one... | ||
| David Smith has the exact same habit that Alex Jones does of using fake documents to support his arguments. | ||
| We already heard him say the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real, and in this next clip, he uses another fake document to make his argument. | ||
| In 1919, after World War I was completed, while the Allies had troops still stationed in Germany, they discovered the Rules for Communist Revolution. | ||
| Now, communism was instituted by the Illuminati worshippers of Lucifer. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| Some within that movement prefer to call him Satan. | ||
| Albert Pike did, who laid down the final 100-year program for world government that would be achieved by the end of the 20th century. | ||
| These rules of revolution said they would take over the mass media in the United States of America and program the minds of the people so that it would turn it against patriots, it would turn it against Christians who wanted to be faithful to Jesus Christ, and it would turn the mass public's mind against those individuals who believed in the Constitution of the United States. | ||
| He goes on to talk about how it's the Second Amendment, too. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| We have a substantive similarity there. | ||
| They're trying to turn people against patriots and people who love the Constitution and Christians. | ||
| So you have a really one-to-one parallel rhetorically. | ||
| But then that rules for communist revolution is a fake document. | ||
| So he's citing that in order to create a fake narrative. | ||
| What they're doing is entirely the same. | ||
| Just one of them's at a pulpit in a radio show and the other as a studio. | ||
| That's basically the only difference between those clips. | ||
| George Soros made a lot of people in Antifa sign the Rules for Communist Revolution before they start all of those fights. | ||
| It's number one on the syllabus. | ||
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| Acquired reading. | ||
| But it's not just fake documents, though. | ||
| David J. Smith also uses fake quotes in his sermon, just like Alex Jones does. | ||
| In fact, he uses some of the exact same fake quotes. | ||
| Then George Washington, the first president of the United States, I quote him. | ||
| Oh, that one? | ||
| Firearms stand next to importance to the Constitution itself. | ||
| They are the people's liberty teeth. | ||
| End of quote. | ||
| That's a fake quote. | ||
| We talked about that on a recent episode. | ||
| That liberty teeth is a very specific phraseology that he's using. | ||
| It's a specific fake quote for both of these dudes to think is real. | ||
| It tells me that Alex either got this from David Smith or that they're both working off similar sources that push this fake quote. | ||
| And either isn't a good option. | ||
| Both are intertwining these two people as either being in the same community or Alex taking it from him. | ||
| And the similarities don't stop there. | ||
| David J. Smith takes a lot of his beliefs about this international conspiracy from the exact same place as Alex does. | ||
| This was recorded in The Naked Communist by W. Cleon Skousen. | ||
| He talks about W. Cleon Skousen. | ||
| He talks about None Dare Call It Conspiracy as being great books. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| He seems to admire a lot of the same people that Alex does. | ||
| I happen to know that there's over 700 banks in the United States, according to Senator Ron Paul, not Senator, but House of Representatives member, that are now in danger of collapse. | ||
| And yet the government won't breathe a word because if they breathe... | ||
| Which companies or which banks they were, you and I would go have a run on them and ensure their collapse, because you and I don't want to lose our money. | ||
| So you've got financial collapse narratives, which are so central to Alex's paranoia that he pushes, and they're being defended by appeals to Ron Paul. | ||
| Now, Ron Paul's a pretty common person for weirdo militia types to support, so maybe this one isn't too bizarre. | ||
| But I think this next one, a little more specific. | ||
| We have really not even begun to develop our own energy sources. | ||
| And an example of that is in Alaska. | ||
| And I've mentioned this before. | ||
| The book put out the energy non-crisis by the way. | ||
| Lindsay Williams, where he was right there on the spot. | ||
| He had access to all documentation, and he has shown, documented, that the Gull Island fine was the largest in the United States. | ||
| So, like... | ||
| I've literally never heard anyone other than Alex Jones reference Lindsay Williams. | ||
| That's not entirely true. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I've also heard people on Alex's message board reference Lindsay Williams as a con man that they never wanted to hear on the show as a guest ever again. | ||
| Beyond that, it's just Alex and David J. Smith. | ||
| These connections are pretty compelling, right? | ||
| I feel like we've gotten some insane parallels, both in content and belief, style, substance, references, people. | ||
| Like, Lindsay Williams being referenced by both these dudes is insane to me. | ||
| Like, when I was listening through that sermon, I was like, what? | ||
| Lindsay Williams? | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| Did not expect to hear that there. | ||
| But I feel like this last clip that I have of these sermons should jump out at you. | ||
| And you should just... | ||
| This could easily be a clip from Alex's show. | ||
| And that's just historical documentation, which can be found in the congressional records of the United States. | ||
| And there's even a movie making circulations now, and it's been on cable, called Reds. | ||
| So you see there... | ||
| And there's a movie that he's... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| This creature is trying to make a point, and then he vaguely cites the congressional record, but doesn't really get into it. | ||
| Instead, he relates his point to a movie. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| That's exactly the rhetorical style that Alex employs. | ||
| And to me, that feels like a little bit of a fingerprint. | ||
| It's the sort of thing that you could, like, if you listen to a ton of it, you might adopt that into your subconscious. | ||
| Especially if you're a younger person listening to a ton of this. | ||
| And so if you listen to a preacher who had these verbal patterns, it would make sense that you might... | ||
| Be like, well, I just compare things to movies to make my point instead. | ||
| And, you know, I don't know if that's... | ||
| This is certainly not concrete, but it's enough that along with all of the other stuff, you kind of got to look at a lot of these similarities as piling up to mountains of circumstantial evidence. | ||
| God, he's like weaponized stupidity. | ||
| Like, he's so... | ||
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| Both! | ||
| I mean, it seems more like, based on what we're going through here, it sounds to me like David Smith is so fucking stupid and crazy that he inadvertently shot Alex like a missile into America. | ||
| I don't know if that's 100% true, but like... | ||
| It's certainly, he might have contributed to the funeral, you know? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is just a small sample of the things that I've heard from Smith's sermons. | ||
| There are plenty, plenty more of examples of direct overlap with Alex on tons of issues. | ||
| I could play you hours of Smith talking and sounding exactly like Alex, but ultimately all that can prove is that they believe similar things and, you know, there's similarities, there's timeline patterns, but that's a completely unsatisfying conclusion for me. | ||
| I needed to figure out if there was a stronger connection between these two, so I kept looking. | ||
| Something that we've left unexamined for too long is Alex's presence on shortwave radio. | ||
| For those unaware, shortwave signals exist in a band of frequencies that can be broadcast for huge distances. | ||
| Whereas a radio signal might only be capable of being picked up in like a 20-mile radius from the transmitter, large shortwave transmitters can push a signal out that could be received easily through the entire United States and further. | ||
| Alex always used to tell his audience to set up their own transmitters to broadcast his show, which that would definitely help him playing on more frequencies, but it wouldn't do anything to help expand his geographical reach. | ||
| Alex only needs one shortwave transmitter to broadcast his show all over the United States, and in Canada, and in Mexico. | ||
| And that station that does that work is WWCR out of Nashville, Tennessee. | ||
| WWCR has an official partnership with Genesis Communications Network, and a number of their shows are broadcast from that hub. | ||
| Some of the other shows that have been on that network include The Hour of the Time, which was Bill Cooper's show before he died. | ||
| They have a show on there called The Intelligence Report. | ||
| I don't believe that's on anymore, but it was hosted by Mark from Michigan, a notorious militia agitator who would call into Alex's show and had appeared as a guest on Alex's show as well. | ||
| Jack McLam had a show on WWCR. | ||
| If you forget, McLam was a frequent Alex Jones guest who tried to create a patriot utopia in rural Idaho, along with militia lunatic and hardcore Christian identity follower Bo Gritz. | ||
| Bo Gritz also had a show on WWCR called Freedom Call. | ||
| They aired a show called Radio Free America, which was sponsored by the Liberty Lobby and Spotlight Magazine, the anti-Semitic rag where Alex's main Bilderberg source, Jim Tucker, worked for years. | ||
| WWCR also broadcasted Scriptures for America. | ||
| A radio program hosted by Pete Peters, the Christian identity preacher who organized the fascist organizing summit, the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous, which was attended by Aryan Nations leader Louis Beam, popularizer of the leaderless resistance, and frequent Alex Jones guest and Alex Jones sponsor Larry Pratt of Gun Owners for America. | ||
| WWCR also broadcasts David J. Smith's Newswatch magazine. | ||
| WWCR is a pretty extremist Christian outlet with heavy ties to extremes on the right wing and the militia patriot community. | ||
| And you can see that from just so many of the shows they air that they have explicit or subtle ties to Alex and his worldview. | ||
| The idea that David J. Smith's show was broadcast on the same transmitter station on shortwave as Alex and all of these... | ||
| Very explicit Christian identity programs. | ||
| It means something. | ||
| God, that is insane. | ||
| I'm trying to think of some sort of polar opposite. | ||
| Can you imagine a shortwave radio station that was just fucking environmental terrorists? | ||
| Doing nothing but, like, you need to blow up a fucking dam every goddamn... | ||
| Something close to that might exist, because, I mean, shortwave does also include a lot of, like, pirate programs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Amateur people with transmitters can broadcast stuff on shortwave with fairly easy... | ||
| I'm not aware of any eco-terrorist stations. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Especially on par with WWCR. | ||
| I know! | ||
| The reach of it is insane. | ||
| You have to contact them to get their exact coverage map. | ||
| I didn't want to do that. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| I don't want to talk to them. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Please no. | ||
| But ones I could find that I'm not 100% sure if they're accurate, but they go all over North America, into South America, and in Europe. | ||
| Throughout Europe. | ||
| And North Africa. | ||
| Like, they have coverage of, like, an insane area. | ||
| Bananas. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, I think it's pretty fucked up to see this very clear connection. | ||
| Oh, it's not pretty fucked up. | ||
| It's insanely fucked up. | ||
| Why is Alex on this Christian identity broadcast station that also broadcasts this preacher? | ||
| Like, it's very strange to me. | ||
| Very strange. | ||
| No, it's not strange. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
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They're all fucking Nazi terrorists. | |
| I don't know, man. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But even as connected as this seems, it's still not definitive enough for me. | ||
| I needed something more concrete. | ||
| And after digging around a little more, what should I find? | ||
| But a May 14th, 2008 episode of The Alex Jones Show, featuring David J. Smith as the guest. | ||
| I figured if anything could give me a sense of Alex's true feelings towards Smith, it would be a conversation between the two of them. | ||
| And here, Jordan, is how that conversation begins. | ||
| We only have one guest today because I want to have plenty of time to cover the news and have open phones in the first, third, and fourth hour today. | ||
| Pastor David J. Smith. | ||
| From Waxahachie, Texas, fighting the New World Order for more than 30 years, will be joining us on air to talk about his neck of the woods nearby the Baptist Bible School in East Texas, where they have Homeland Security come in and tell members of the staff that they'll be arrested and charged with espionage if they speak about the Bill of Rights and Constitution. | ||
| That's a little bit of a sort of mischaracterization of what's going on. | ||
| He's also really, he's speaking really loosely to make it sound like David J. Smith's church has anything to do with this church that's allegedly having homeland security. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It definitely sounded like... | ||
| It's disconnected. | ||
| It's maybe geographically close. | ||
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Right. | |
| But it's unrelated. | ||
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Unaffiliated. | |
| And it's more just an issue of like this church was preaching politics and you run your risk of your tax-exempt status being taken away if you advocate for... | ||
| Or against specific policies, ways to vote, candidates, because you want to keep those things discreet. | ||
| It's very easy to see how, if you're running a church, you could election medal fairly easily, especially in local elections. | ||
| It would be very easy to set up a machine if churches were allowed to be political tools. | ||
| Yeah, and it's a good thing that we know now for sure that churches are not political tools at all. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| It's so good that we have a... | ||
| So David James Smith has been fighting the New World Order for 30 years. | ||
| That seems like a pretty positive thing for Alex to say. | ||
| He seems to be pretty enthusiastic about him. | ||
| And in this next clip, he even calls him an icon. | ||
| As I told you, I plan to have all the real icons, the people who've been fighting for decades and decades against the New World Order on this show. | ||
| They've all been on before, but many of them haven't been on in years. | ||
| In fact, I just remembered again to try to get Red Beckman on if his health allows. | ||
| Haven't had him on in a few years, and he's a World War II vet. | ||
| He really is one of the great granddaddies of them all. | ||
| So, you know, Red Beckman. | ||
| Icon. | ||
| David Smith and Red Beckman. | ||
| Red Beckman. | ||
| Icons with his fight. | ||
| Icons. | ||
| We talked about Red Beckman in a past episode, so I don't want to get too deeply back into him. | ||
| But in case anyone needs a reminder, Red Beckman was one of the guys who thinks the 16th Amendment is a fraud and he shouldn't have to pay taxes. | ||
| He also wrote a book called The Church Deceived, where he had some interesting thoughts about what the Jews went through in World War II. | ||
| Quote, It was judgment, not holocaust. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| The true and almighty God used the evil Nazi government to perform judgment upon the evil antichrist religion of those who had crucified the Christ. | ||
| So he's pretty into the holocaust. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Not thrilled with the Nazis. | ||
| But into the Holocaust, which kind of sounds like David J. Smith's. | ||
| It does kind of sound a lot like that. | ||
| Red Beckman was a bigwig in early Christian identity circles, which strongly indicates that he was into the British Israelism thing as a concept. | ||
| This is further indicated by his contention that non-whites are mud people, which he says, which we clearly have heard David J. Smith say that black people, because of a prank on Noah, are servants for perpetuity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When Alex says that you're an icon in a particular field, on par with Red Beckman, you are being called a racist and an anti-Semite. | ||
| That is what Red Beckman's stock and trade is, and complaining about taxes, sure. | ||
| I'll give him that. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But more importantly, racist and anti-Semite. | ||
| So if you're compared to him, now Alex might be trying to present that as a positive in his world, but it is not. | ||
| In his world, it is a positive. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So, interestingly... | ||
| Alex gets a call on this episode that is from one of our callers, one of the people that I've been paying attention to. | ||
| Old Man Household? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's the racist old guy. | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| Steve in Chicago, you're on the air. | ||
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Yes, I'd like to say a big congratulations to the West Virginians for beating back a marauding, rampaging black beast. | |
| Now, I don't know if you saw this, but... | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Alex is frustrated. | ||
| You can hear it. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You can hear that his show at this point has a character that is okay to be like, damn it. | ||
| Racist guy is calling in. | ||
| And it's very strange because he's interviewing a preacher who, prior to this, has given sermons about how black people are slaves forever. | ||
| So that's incongruous. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| But he needs the presentation publicly to be, alright, you got this racist calling in, I've got to be not on board with him. | ||
| Because when he says the rampaging black beast, what he's talking about is the primaries. | ||
| Because we're in May 2008 at this point. | ||
| The primary season is still going. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he's talking about pushing back against Obama. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Alex can't allow that to be on the show so overt. | ||
| And he pushes back in it in this next clip, which is something you'd never hear nowadays. | ||
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I think I want to take one second to say I'd like to have a celebratory victory dance with the VA West Virginia Mountain Mama. | |
| I appreciate your call, sir. | ||
| I just can't hear the music you're playing. | ||
| We don't need to call people Black Beast. | ||
| That's crazy to hear Alex say that. | ||
| Isn't it? | ||
| It is. | ||
| Especially considering we've heard this guy call in other periods of time, like more recently, and Alex's brand has completely changed to the point where he can't say things like, don't call people Black Beast. | ||
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He wants it to be subtle at this point. | |
| His sigh isn't like, oh, this guy's saying something wrong. | ||
| It's like, oh, you're giving up the game. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're forcing me to... | ||
| Explicitly denounce you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We could have had a good time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We could have had a great time being a fucking racist beneath the lines, but now you're fucking doing it? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we get David J. Smith coming in, and it's not really... | ||
| That great of an interview. | ||
| Alex is trying to get him to reinforce the ideas that he has about the clergy response teams, which is essentially the notion that Alex has that FEMA has placed infiltrators in churches in order to get them to go along with putting people in camps. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| We've talked about that in a past episode. | ||
| David J. Smith doesn't really have anything to say other than, yeah, you bet they're doing it. | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| Isn't it crazy that they didn't need to put people in churches to have them be okay with putting people in camps? | ||
| Like, people in churches are just automatically okay with people being in camps? | ||
| They seem to be now. | ||
| They seem to be really cool with it. | ||
| So, in this clip here from David J. Smith, he talks about his British Israelism beliefs, which is... | ||
| Weird to hear come up on Alex's show, because I would have assumed Alex wouldn't want him to talk about this stuff. | ||
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And we know that Rothschilds and other international bankers financed all of this to get it started. | |
| So how do the Hebrews tie into this, then? | ||
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Well, see, you've got two different items here. | |
| Number one, there were 12 tribes of Israel. | ||
| And the northern ten tribes of Israel split away from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin because Solomon's son, Rehoboam, would not give them relief from taxation. | ||
| So they rebelled, and they became a separate nation. | ||
| Sounding real America-y. | ||
| He's like rewriting the Bible to be like, and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson broke away from Rehoboam. | ||
| You know what, though? | ||
| Like, wholly inaccurate. | ||
| Because Rehoboam, part of the reason that he was such an awful leader was, like, he said he was going to raise more taxes. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like, in a cruel way. | ||
| But that wasn't nearly the only slight that he made against the people, the tribes, that led them to be like, fuck this. | ||
| We are not... | ||
| Taxation was a part of it, but it certainly wasn't the whole story. | ||
| But it is interesting that you take that piece of it and you make it so central because you're hanging out with Red Beckman and all of these anti-tax agitators. | ||
| So that's the important piece. | ||
| That's why those ten tribes are like, fuck this noise. | ||
| It's a rewriting. | ||
| But, you know, it's interesting that Alex is not pushing back on it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not even a little bit. | ||
| I think he's just like, well, I've introduced this guy as an icon. | ||
| I have to make this as smooth as possible, but just not let him get too far into the Jews are the sons of Esau, and we need to burn them. | ||
| Pull it back! | ||
| Pull it back! | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has to walk that line, and he manages to do it successfully. | ||
| Although David Smith does say that Jews are the descendants of Turks. | ||
| Or at least the majority of them are. | ||
| 92% of them, actually. | ||
| I don't think he gives specifics on Alex's show, but Alex doesn't push back on that, which is very weird to me. | ||
| But we have one last clip from this episode, because their interview really isn't that great. | ||
| And what I was looking for, I found in this clip. | ||
| And so the rest of it doesn't really matter to me all that much. | ||
| Love the different directions you take us in. | ||
| Wheel of fortune there, never knowing what you'll bring up next. | ||
| Going back to Pastor David J. Smith, we're going to give out his phone number and contact info. | ||
| Great books, great films, great research. | ||
| I've learned so much from him since I woke up in the last 16, 17 years. | ||
| So you have the things that I was looking for all along. | ||
| When you go in and you look in to David J. Smith, you find so much heavy overlap. | ||
| You find so much, with the one exception being this British-Israelist beliefs, that Alex doesn't profess. | ||
| But there's so much overlap between the conception of the New World Order, the sources, the people, the narratives. | ||
| All of it matches up so much, but it doesn't amount to that. | ||
| Much. | ||
| Then you find that they're on the same shortwave station, and that his broadcast was, you know, he was operating out of the city 30 miles away from Alex's childhood home. | ||
| And you're like, God damn it, there's so much here that seems very similar, but it's not really definitive. | ||
| Now you listen to the two of them talk. | ||
| And Alex says that he's learned so much from him in the last 16 to 17 years since he's woken up and listened to David J. Smith's show. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like all that he really did was listen to David Smith's show and go, maybe instead of Jew, I say globalist, and I'll make a shit ton of money. | ||
| And maybe use some of the sources. | ||
| Go in some of the directions. | ||
| It seems to me almost impossible to imagine that Alex wasn't heavily influenced by this guy. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| But I also think that Alex is smart enough to know that if I am to be open about a lot of this stuff and where I'm getting these ideas from, people would be able to trace it down too easily. | ||
| And then they'd be like, oh, oh, dude. | ||
| Oh, my friend. | ||
| You are getting your ideas from a white supremacist preacher, anti-Semite of the highest order, complete fucking weirdo. | ||
| And Alex doesn't want that. | ||
| He wants to be seen as these ideas coming from an intellectual place. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Somebody who's above identity politics and all of that shit. | ||
| And to be clear, I don't think that necessarily... | ||
| All of Alex's ideas come from David J. Smith. | ||
| I think that would be really overstating it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I think that this is a piece of his inspiration. | ||
| I think it's a piece of his backstory that is unexamined. | ||
| And it's something that you don't really realize until Alex phones it in for a week and you're like, hey, who's that preacher he's talking about? | ||
| And then you dig in and you find this stuff. | ||
| It's very interesting to me. | ||
| So before we get out of here, there's something else I want to address, and I think it's probably been in the background of everybody's head as we've been going through this, and that is how much Alex Jones talks about birthright. | ||
| And the fact that it's so central to David Smith's philosophy, theology, ideology. | ||
| Alex constantly, in the present day, talks about Trump reasserting America's birthright in the world. | ||
| And for a very long time, I just took that to mean, like, eh, whatever. | ||
| I took that to be along the same lines as his 1776 2.0, or whatever. | ||
| I took that to mean, like, America is a completely different country than anything that's ever existed before, and hooray. | ||
| But when I listen to hours and hours and hours of David J. Smith... | ||
| And he's constantly harping on the idea that Jacob got the birthright from Esau, and Esau has been trying to take it back by way of international communism creating a new world order, a world government. | ||
| And the specific wording of it is just too much for me to think is a coincidence. | ||
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Yeah, that's fucked up. | |
| So I decided to go back and listen to some of Alex on Inauguration Day. | ||
| And this clip stuck out to me. | ||
| First off, let me just take a deep breath here and break down what just happened here today. | ||
| Undoubtedly, this was Providence. | ||
| This was American destiny being re-invoked. | ||
| This was Trump declaring the birthright of this republic that George Washington talked about and that providence that started back in 1776. | ||
| He invoked it. | ||
| It was so historical. | ||
| And I knew they were going to invoke it. | ||
| It just came into my mind. | ||
| And I knew, even though he hasn't given the speech, and I haven't talked to Trump about this, I knew what was about to happen. | ||
| And I said, I've got a tweet that they're going to re-invoke the birthright. | ||
| I could just feel it. | ||
| Because that's really what this is. | ||
| And then the media was asking me, even the New York Times had seen the tweet, they said, did you talk to Trump? | ||
| How did you know it was in a speech nobody else did? | ||
| And I said, no, this is Americana. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| We're reading the same book. | ||
| It's the same spirit. | ||
| So I will tell them what I've talked about with Trump. | ||
| The spirit of America. | ||
| Can you feel it rising? | ||
| Trump feels it. | ||
| He knows it. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| And he wants to serve the people and empower the people and have America be incredibly wealthy again and empower the globe. | ||
| You know, the context in which he's talking about the birthright being re-invoked really sounds a lot more like David J. Smith's version of the birthright than fanciful ideas that I might have had of like vague notions of what he's talking about. | ||
| So I come to the end of this episode and it's a little bit unsatisfying still on one level because I don't feel... | ||
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I feel on one side... | |
| Very satisfied with my conclusion. | ||
| And that is that Alex Jones... | ||
| I mean, he admitted it. | ||
| He's learned a ton from him over the last 16 years. | ||
| So obviously, he has been aware of and knows what David J. Smith stands for and sees him to be an icon in this world. | ||
| So that answers all of those questions. | ||
| That investigation, open and shut. | ||
| Complete. | ||
| The question of whether or not Alex believes the birthright that he talks about... | ||
| All the fucking time. | ||
| Is the same thing that David J. Smith believes it to be. | ||
| Namely, white people have dominion over the world. | ||
| That, to me, is still an open question. | ||
| Yeah, I would say that... | ||
| It feels like it is. | ||
| I'm going to have to go with, yeah, he's a white Christian imperialist. | ||
| I don't know if he's a British Israelist, but he's definitely a... | ||
| Anglo-Israelist. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| Anglo-Israelist. | ||
| That's the better way for Alex, so he doesn't have to say British. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe that's the only thing that kept him away from being a British imperialist, is he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| How dare you say British? | ||
| I think the only thing that's keeping him away is a very keen awareness that if he's open about this stuff, then... | ||
| People will treat him appropriately. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that is... | ||
| They'll treat him as the, I mean, Christian identity person that he is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We played that clip before from Inauguration Day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember that, and I remember thinking about... | ||
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Years ago. | |
| Well, yeah, well, obviously. | ||
| Obviously years ago. | ||
| But I remember thinking, like, Birthright just being like a, oh, well, I was born in America and so on and so forth, but... | ||
| It's so much more charged now that I have this history of understanding, oh, that also means that black people are slaves forever. | ||
| It also could mean that, certainly. | ||
| What we've learned today obviously puts a little bit of a context onto that. | ||
| A possible context. | ||
| But even separate from that... | ||
| We have also heard him talk about birthright a ton since this inauguration day when we covered that. | ||
| And the context in which he has talked about it has never made it clearer. | ||
| And the only thing that... | ||
| Suggests a slight clearing up of what he's talking about. | ||
| Is looking at how that word is used by somebody who clearly he thinks is an icon and is someone who he's been aware of for over a decade and a half. | ||
| At the point of 2008 when he had him on. | ||
| You trace that back, it's like he's 15, 16 years old when he first came in contact with David J. Smith. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| It's a little bit open as a question of how much exactly Alex is in line with him. | ||
| But from my assessment, in looking at Alex Jones the way I have over the course of our podcast, I mean, I can't prove it, but boy, it feels like he uses terms like birthright in the way he does as code. | ||
| I think, so... | ||
| One thing that I keep thinking about in the context of today is how Superman helped stop the Ku Klux Klan. | ||
| In the 50s on the radio, they had an investigation, or some dude infiltrated the KKK. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And he used Superman's radio serial to reveal how stupid the KKK was. | ||
| You know, like, the leader is the Grand Dragon, and it turned them into more of a laughingstock, that their secret rituals were actually just fucking stupid cosplay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that did so much to stem the growth of the KKK. | ||
| And I'm thinking, like, if we had that same situation today... | ||
| People would be like, yeah, I love the Grand Dragons! | ||
| That's awesome! | ||
| Enough people would co-opt it ironically, and then before you know it, you take any kind of stigma away. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bummer. | ||
| Anyway, I don't know how there's any real solid conclusion in this other than we have stumbled upon a really fucked up... | ||
| Inspiration for Alex Jones over the years. | ||
| And it troubles me to a level I can barely express fully. | ||
| And, you know, the rest of the stuff in his shows aren't worth talking about. | ||
| So now we're good through March 10th. | ||
| Sandy Hook investigation. | ||
| Let's remind... | ||
| This is the value of that, though. | ||
| You find stuff like this that you'd never be able to find any other way. | ||
| Dan, you know, before I met you... | ||
| I used to live a fun, carefree lifestyle. | ||
| We should still do a little of that. | ||
| Maybe just a little. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, before we get out of here, let's give some more shout-outs to people. | ||
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| In an attempt to come closer to catching up, which we won't be able to do, honestly, unless we start giving shout-outs to people as a group. | ||
| And I don't know if I want to do that because I feel like it might be disrespectful to people. | ||
| It's unfair to all the people that we've... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We set such a precedent of individual sound drops being played, and now it's just we've backed into a corner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what we're going to do. | ||
| But anyway, I'd like to say thank you to Simon. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Simon. | ||
| Next, someone who's coming in at the technocrat level. | ||
| Thank you so much, Turing. | ||
| You're now, wait, Turing. | ||
| Like a Turing test. | ||
| Like Alan Turing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| But not him, because I think he's dead. | ||
| He is dead, yes. | ||
| I can confirm that. | ||
| We miss him. | ||
| But we also thank you, Turing. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare info war on you. | ||
| Thank you, Turing. | ||
| Thank you very much, Turing. | ||
| Next, Lee. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Lee. | ||
| Next, Chris. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Chris. | ||
| Next, I'd like to say thank you to Aaron. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thanks, Aaron. | |
| And finally, I'd like to say thank you to Greg, who donated on a little elevated level. | ||
| Greg, you are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Greg. | ||
| Thank you very much, Greg. | ||
| Thank you all so much. | ||
| We may have to end up doing group inductions as policy wonks and technocrats, but we will see moving forward. | ||
| Either way, we appreciate it, and we could not do this without you, and we have made it to the end of what I would describe as... | ||
| Episode that's tough. | ||
| But we've made it through, and we will be back on Wednesday for a Modern Day episode. | ||
| We'll check in on the Modern Day, but it's important to get through this, if only because now we're through into March. | ||
| Very exciting. | ||
| We're now closer to... | ||
| Judgment Day. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The release of Terminator 2. Oh, also I should point out, I believe on our last 2013 episode, Alex was teasing that big news was coming up. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| That he had investigators working on. | ||
| Right, and we have not heard anything about it. | ||
| There's like behind-the-scenes footage, hidden cameras. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That is completely dropped. | ||
| Never spoken to anything. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| About that. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So there's an update on that. | ||
| Good work, Alex. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back on Wednesday. | ||
| But for now, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. | ||
| On Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| And if you wanted to download this podcast and listen to it, I don't know how you got this far without having learned how to download this podcast. | ||
| But what you should do is write a little note, get a rubber band. | ||
| Put the note on a rock. | ||
| Put the rubber band around those two to connect the two. | ||
| Throw it through the window of your nearest neighbor, and they will download the podcast for you. | ||
| I promise you that is how it works. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| No, but you could go to iTunes. | ||
| That'll definitely do the trick. | ||
| So, I guess what I would say is, as far as I know, that baby who was crying in the background of some of David J. Smith's sermons, I don't think that baby has killed anybody. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| That was 20 years ago. | ||
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More than that. | |
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| And it's until proven guilty. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| That baby I don't think has killed anybody. | ||
| But someone who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Alex, I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |