Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a couple of incredibly messed up days on the Alex Jones Show. Most of the coverage is about Alex's insanely convoluted coverage of the tanker incident in the Gulf of Oman, and about a recent cyber attack that has targeted InfoWars. Along the way, though, the gents learn how leftist brainwashing on college campuses works, and that one of Alex's lawyers may not be totally insane.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
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Hey, everybody. | |
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
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Jordan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| What is the best or most important package you've ever received through the mail? | ||
| What, man? | ||
| This is crazy, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Did you ever order anything from the back of a cereal box? | ||
| You are doing a usual suspects thing. | ||
| You just saw some packaging there. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was actually thinking of Calvin and Hobbes when he orders for the beanie, and he thinks he's going to be able to fly with it, and it turns out just to be a propeller. | ||
| So I was thinking about that, and I was thinking, have you ever ordered anything off the back of a cereal box or something that takes like four to six weeks? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I'm positive I have, but my parents growing up were not into that shit at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Buy us cereals that had those sorts of things on them. | ||
| No sugar cereals? | ||
| Well, it was a general rule, no sugar cereals. | ||
| But then also it would be like bags, malt-o-meal. | ||
| You got the malt-o-meal bags? | ||
| Yeah, the giant, even knock-off brand malt-o-meal. | ||
| Balto meal. | ||
| Yeah, you go to Sam's Club and get the 20-pound bag of fake Cheerios. | ||
| Yeah, that was sort of the vibe. | ||
| And a lot of granola and stuff. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't have any vivid memories of that. | ||
| But that package that you saw that triggered your question, I just recently... | ||
| I was thinking about this on the walk here. | ||
| That's why I was so disappointed when you were like, what a shitty question. | ||
| I was like, I was thinking about this one. | ||
| In that case, I'm sorry. | ||
| I just got some... | ||
| Greek textbooks in the mail. | ||
| I'm pretty excited about those. | ||
| Oh, I mean, I got my hot pepper seeds a while back. | ||
| Oh, by the way, I've got to interrupt your question for Plant Watch. | ||
| Yes, Plant Watch 2019. | ||
| Things are going fine. | ||
| I didn't realize the flower that I got is so crazy out of control. | ||
| It is a climbing, vining flower plant. | ||
| Oh yeah, shit. | ||
| And it is really... | ||
| No flowers yet, but it is going crazy. | ||
| I wish I had like a lattice for it to grow on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because it looks like it would just vine all over the place. | ||
| It looks really cool. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| And then beyond that, all the peppers are coming in fine. | ||
| No fruit as of yet. | ||
| You've got plenty of good stocks over there. | ||
| Yeah, there were some tough times going, and Celine definitely ate my peas. | ||
| She destroyed the peas, the tomatoes, a couple other things. | ||
| Not huge losses for you. | ||
| You weren't really going to cook with those anyway. | ||
| I might have. | ||
| I was excited. | ||
| I like peas. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But yeah, she separated the wheat from the chaff. | ||
| And we are left with the strong stocked pepper plants. | ||
| And yeah, I'll let you know. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Plant watch. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So Jordan, today we are going to... | ||
| Oh, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| Yes, and I only know what you tell me. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So today, Jordan, we are stuck in the present. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| The world would not allow us to go back to our fun. | ||
| Fun, relatively speaking, of talking about Alex in 2013, as is our tradition on Mondays. | ||
| Because, as I predicted on our Friday episode, we're recording this on Thursday, but I bet by the time this episode's out, something really fucked up will have happened. | ||
| There it is! | ||
| I say sooth. | ||
| So today we're going to be going over June 13th and 14th, which is Thursday and Friday of last week. | ||
| There is a lot of messed up stuff that happens on these episodes. | ||
| Some of it politically messed up, some of it emotionally. | ||
| So consider this a fair warning that some of this will not be pleasant to listen to. | ||
| You have been warned. | ||
| Matt B. Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Matt B. Thank you, Matt B. Next, Oliver. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Alex Jones would have you know that that's Oliver Darcy. | ||
| CNN guy who's trying to get him kicked off the... | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I was thinking it was more like, thank you, sir. | ||
| It's wonderful. | ||
| A little orphan boy. | ||
| A little orphan boy. | ||
| We had different angles on it. | ||
| Next, Josiah. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Josiah. | ||
| Thank you, Josiah. | ||
| Next, Josh. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Josh. | ||
| Thank you, Josh. | ||
| And Reggie. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Reggie. | ||
| Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who took their donation, bumped it up a little bit. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| So, Young Bay, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Young Bae. | ||
| Thank you very much, Destiny's Child era. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Would Young Bae be Destiny's Child era or Beyoncé era? | ||
| I don't think she called herself Bae during Destiny's Child. | ||
| She did not, but she was younger. | ||
| But she was hanging out with Kelly Rowland. | ||
| It's not necessarily young. | ||
| It's Y-U-N-G. | ||
| So it's cool spelling. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I can't see your computer from here. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But if you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I'd like to support what these guys do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| It would be nice! | ||
| So let's get down to business. | ||
| Yes, please. | ||
| Let's defeat these fucking Huns. | ||
| We're going to start on the 13th. | ||
| And as you may recall, on the 13th, we had a situation where, that was Thursday, in the morning, there was a ship. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And the Trump administration went pretty quick into saying it was Iran. | ||
| It was totally Iran. | ||
| Don't look anywhere else. | ||
| It was definitely Iran. | ||
| Please, everybody know that it was Iran. | ||
| It was Iran who did this. | ||
| I guarantee it was Iran who did this. | ||
| We're just going to have to put some ground troops on there. | ||
| It's not our fault! | ||
| I want to say before we get into anything, I don't know what happened. | ||
| I can't pretend that I have any kind of expertise on this or any kind of intimate knowledge of what happened. | ||
| I've read some articles about it. | ||
| I don't think it's a good idea to go attacking Iran. | ||
| I don't trust the people at the helm of our, let's say, people named John Bolton department. | ||
| I don't trust Trump on this front. | ||
| I think there's a lot of war hawks. | ||
| Who have been looking for an excuse to attack Iran. | ||
| They sure seem to have. | ||
| And I don't think that that means that they set this up or anything like that either. | ||
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No. | |
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| I just think that calmer heads should prevail. | ||
| So as we talk about Alex covering this, I'm not coming from a place of saying it was Iran or it wasn't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Yes. | |
| The facts will bear out as they bear out. | ||
| And as we have more information, we'll know. | ||
| But I'm not here to condemn or not. | ||
| And I'm not here to condemn this as a false flag. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| No, neither one. | ||
| But I will say right now I'm leaning towards trusting Iran more than the United States. | ||
| So maybe we're in a rough patch foreign policy-wise. | ||
| Well, I mean, from a motive perspective, it definitely seems like it makes more sense for them to not do this. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So anyway, we'll get into this, but Alex has heard about it. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| I believe, I'm not sure the exact timing of it, but it's fresh as he's on air. | ||
| And so Alex gets into the story in this first clip. | ||
| U.S. officials say it's highly likely Iran behind the new tanker attack and the bombing of another ship. | ||
| Well, if the mullahs are really that crazy, this could start World War III. | ||
| So what we have is that Alex is kind of coming in pretty hot with a, well, the molas are that crazy. | ||
| There's a real sense that you get that he doesn't think this is a false flag. | ||
| No. | ||
| He seems to be thinking that this is sincere. | ||
| And what we're going to witness over the first 20 minutes of Alex's Thursday, June 13th show, is him try and talk himself into believing this actually happened and that it was a wrong. | ||
| He needs to figure out a way to be like, I know I say everything. | ||
| It's a fucking false flag. | ||
| But this one's got to be real because Trump really wants it to be real. | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| So it's a struggle and he knows the destination that he's trying to get to. | ||
| Yeah, which is supporting Trump in starting a war, essentially. | ||
| It does feel that way, which seems pretty counter to his career. | ||
| The entirety of everything ever. | ||
| All the pretense of being, I'm an anti-interventionalist, man. | ||
| I'm just a libertarian. | ||
| Live and let live. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't like regime change wars. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Turns out he's just a coward that can't stand up to his daddy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So in defense of that, right after that clip that we just heard, Alex starts listing off boat-related false flags. | ||
| Lusitania? | ||
| This is not a great list, and we're going to go through it one by one. | ||
| You're correct on the first one. | ||
| Alex does bring up the Lusitania in this first clip. | ||
| And after he's done, I will explain why he is a dum-dum. | ||
| Are the mullahs that crazy? | ||
| That's the headline on InfoWars.com with a live feed today. | ||
| You want to share that? | ||
| The censored broadcast, the video and audio feeds at InfoWars.com and NewsWars.com. | ||
| War with Iran imminent. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| War with Iran imminent? | ||
| I didn't hear a question. | ||
| Is Taylor on really this crazy or is it another false flag? | ||
| Because if you study history, the favorite false flag comes from... | ||
| British naval annals. | ||
| Coyne was first seen in naval journals 500 years ago. | ||
| But it's older than that. | ||
| The favorite place to stage events is on the open water because it's hard to prove who did it. | ||
| But you know World War I started with a ship, the Lusitania, and a quasi-false flag. | ||
| So right off the bat, you called it. | ||
| He was bringing up the Lusitania. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And man, I have no idea what a quasi-false flag is. | ||
| It's a little bit of a false flag. | ||
| It's a little false flaggy. | ||
| It's a little bit regular. | ||
| You know, it's a quasi-false flag. | ||
| If you're a fucking conspiracy theorist truth teller and you use terms like quasi-false flag that can be defined however you want depending on your mood, you're signaling that you're an idiot and you're just making stuff up. | ||
| It seems like the term would mean both sides. | ||
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No, that's a double false flag. | |
| No, that's a single false flag. | ||
| It's like a semi-weekly means twice a week and bi-weekly, no other way around. | ||
| So the idea of a false flag is that a ship would attack another ship and they would be flying a different flag than the country or group they represent. | ||
| Instead, they would be flying the flag of the group that they wanted to be blamed for the attack. | ||
| In the case of the sinking of the Lusitania, a German U-boat did that and they admitted they did it and Germany argued that the Lusitania... | ||
| It constituted a military boat, so I'm not even sure where a quasi-false flag comes in here. | ||
| I guess maybe Alex could be referring to the Lusitania itself changing its flag from a British flag to a US flag in an attempt to appear neutral, but that action is really irrelevant in terms of what happened. | ||
| That boat was getting sunk no matter what flag it had on it, unless it was a German flag. | ||
| So, more importantly, Alex is misrepresenting history pretty egregiously here. | ||
| First of all, the sinking of the Lusitania didn't start World War I. World War I started in July 1914, and the Lusitania sunk in May 1915. | ||
| What Alex means is that the Lusitania sinking brought the United States into World War I. And there's another person that matters? | ||
| But the way he seems to phrase it, it seems like he doesn't even recognize that people have been fighting and dying for a year in Europe before the ship sank. | ||
| But even that thinking is flawed. | ||
| The U.S. didn't enter World War I until April 6, 1917, so it makes little sense for the powers that be to false flag attack this boat, then wait two years to follow through with the plan that that false flag allowed them to put in place. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| After the Lusitania was sunk, Woodrow Wilson demanded a stop to sinking of merchant boats by the German U-boats, and Germany agreed to cut it out. | ||
| Then, on January 31st, 1917, Germany announced they were resuming, quote, unrestricted submarine warfare. | ||
| Wilson responded on February 3rd that the United States would do nothing unless Germany committed overt acts against the United States. | ||
| In the following two months, Germany sank nine American ships, none of whose names Alex Jones even knows. | ||
| Most historians agree that the singing of the Lusitania was not the reason the U.S. got involved in the war, but that it's remembered as the Cossus Belli, and the reason for that is probably classism. | ||
| The passengers of the nine merchant ships sunk in the weeks before the US declared war were, quote, low-status, underpaid merchant mariners, whereas the Lusitania was a passenger-focused ocean liner, which carried people of an elevated social standing. | ||
| Here are the nine ships that were sunk by Germany that actually caused Woodrow Wilson to turn 180 degrees on his campaign slogan, which was, he kept us out of war. | ||
| It was the Housatonic, which was sunk on February 3rd, 1917. | ||
| Great name. | ||
| The Lyman M. Law, which was sunk on February 12th. | ||
| Great name. | ||
| The Algonquin, sunk on March 12th. | ||
| That's actually a great name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Vigilancia, which was sunk on March 16th, and that one actually had 15 crew members who were killed, six of whom were Americans. | ||
| The City of Memphis, which was sunk on March 17th. | ||
| The Illinois, sunk on March 17th again. | ||
| The Heraldton sunk on May 21st, killing 21, seven of whom were Americans. | ||
| That one is actually a tenth entry on this list, because it was actually sunk by a mine, and it probably or may not have been Germany who was at fault, but it's still part of the reason why we entered the war. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It got sunk, everybody moved on. | ||
| And seven Americans died. | ||
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Right. | |
| So it was in this time period, so it was definitely part of the consideration. | ||
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| The Aztec, which was sunk on April 1st, killing 28, 11 of whom were Americans. | ||
| The Marguerite, sunk on April 4th. | ||
| And the Missourian, sunk on April 4th as well. | ||
| Each of these boats, as they were sunk, debate raged about whether or not they constituted overt acts of war by Germany. | ||
| The first three involved no casualties, and in the case of the Housatonic, it appeared that Lieutenant Hans Rose, captain of the U-53 that sunk it, he'd given the crew warning and then towed them in lifeboats to a place where they could easily be rescued by a British ship. | ||
| If Germany had continued to sink U.S. boats in that fashion, there probably would not have been any legal justification for Woodrow Wilson to enter the war. | ||
| Rusatonic was carrying foodstuffs meant for the Germans' enemies, and under international law, they had every right to consider that contraband. | ||
| The same sort of thing could be said for the Lyman M. Law sinking. | ||
| The crew of that ship was warned in advance, the ship was sunk, and the passengers were put in lifeboats and towed to land. | ||
| It was a very courteous sinking, if there is such a thing. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Those sinkings had happened pretty soon after Germany announced its intention to resume full-scale submarine warfare. | ||
| And in their announcement, they made clear that some of their ships had already launched before the announcement was made, and you might expect more lenient treatment from them than from U-boats you might encounter in the future. | ||
| Germany knew that this was one area where they had a real leg up on all other belligerent parties, but an essential problem was that if they exerted their full force in the sea, the United States would end up getting involved in the war. | ||
| They needed to be able to act with impunity in the ocean and not worry about us, so the best way to achieve that was to stir up some other shit that we would have to deal with. | ||
| On February 24, 1917, Woodrow Wilson received the Zimmermann Note, a telegram that was intercepted by British intelligence from German Foreign Minister Arthur Zimmermann to German Ambassador in the United States Johann von Bernstorff. | ||
| In the note, Zimmermann requests that Bernstorff reach out to the German Minister of Mexico City to offer an alliance with them on the condition that they attack the United States from the south. | ||
| The offer was to involve a promise to give Mexico back land that was lost in the Mexican-American War if they went along with this plan. | ||
| After Wilson received that message and the U-boat attacks continued and intensified, he was in no position to argue with the more hawkish side that had been arguing that past acts constituted overt acts of war. | ||
| The next attack of the Algonquin on March 12th did not involve such courteous Germans, as we had seen with Hans Rose. | ||
| They didn't give a warning, and they didn't help the stranded crew find rescue. | ||
| But there was still a problem for the Warhawks in this case. | ||
| The ship had recently transferred from British to American ownership right before the sinking, so it had gone from a belligerent flag to a neutral one since the war had started, which meant that its sinking didn't qualify as a justification for war, because there's every reason that Germany could have not known that it was now an American ship. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I getcha. | ||
| When a German U-boat straight-up torpedoed the Vigilancia four days later and ended up killing American civilians in the process, that qualified under international law as an overt act that merited declaring war. | ||
| The subsequent attacks that reinforced, they only reinforced that Germany was trying to antagonize the United States and was not going to stop. | ||
| And with the Zimmerman note, it was clear that they were also trying to promote attacks against us from our neighbors, which ended up justifying a declaration of war. | ||
| The public arguments about the justification for declaring this war very rarely mention the actual ships that were sunk and changed Wilson and his cabinet's minds. | ||
| Instead, they often revolved around the much sexier story of the British cruise ship that was sunk two years prior, the Lusitania. | ||
| That ship was never the reason the United States got involved in the war, but because blowhards didn't really care about the loss of working class lives, they used the Lusitania as a proxy to talk about the other ships, and thus that misunderstanding is carried down through history to people who don't look too much... | ||
| My favorite part of history is that it's written by the victors 100% accurately. | ||
| That's my favorite part of history. | ||
| But it's also being carried out in the present by these soon-to-be victors. | ||
| The sinking of Lusitania itself is a really controversial topic, even to this day. | ||
| It definitely does seem like the British government in particular was eager to cover up something about that boat and its sinking, but to claim that you know what that thing is reflects a little bit of hubris and a lot of assumption. | ||
| One of the things that they might have wanted to cover up is that the British knew that the U-20 was nearby and they didn't warn the Lusitania. | ||
| This is a hugely consequential decision, saying... | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| There are some strong indications that in the aftermath of the sinking, Winston Churchill may have been less than forthcoming about what happened at sea in an effort to protect room 40 from being exposed. | ||
| There are plenty of lingering questions about whether or not there were munitions being transported on this boat full of civilians, and I'll be the first to admit that it doesn't look that great if you look at all the details. | ||
| The idea of potentially making your boat full of non-combatants a target is pretty unacceptable, but from everything I can tell, this was not why the U-20 fired on the Lusitania at all, and if anything, it was only used as an after-the-fact justification for it. | ||
| They sunk that ship because it was their express purpose to be out at sea sinking boats like it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm open to the idea that possible negligence led to the sinking of the Lusitania, but from all the information I have available, I don't see sufficient evidence to claim any kind of conspiracy existed to have the boat sunk in order to get the United States into World War I. That wasn't the result that came from the sinking, and the sinking is absolutely completely in line with what the German U-boat campaign was doing at that time. | ||
| They were at war with Britain and viewed Britain as an island nation that could be best defeated by aggressively isolating them by sea. | ||
| Churchill had expressed a desire to increase neutral shipping traffic to Britain in hopes of causing a flare-up between the United States and Germany. | ||
| You know, like, they'll attack these neutral shipboats. | ||
| In the same way that he was super stoked that Pearl Harbor got bombed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But this is something that's like, I could actually bring in more neutral merchant traffic and then hope something happens. | ||
| But the problem is that the Lusitania was not a neutral shipping boat. | ||
| It was a British cruise ship that would have absolutely not been seen as neutral to the Germans. | ||
| So whatever goal he hoped to achieve from a U.S. merchant ship being attacked by Germany wouldn't have been achieved by that boat being attacked. | ||
| So, in the end, this one's not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This one doesn't work. | ||
| Alex believes that the Lusitania sinkhole led to the start of World War I. That doesn't seem right. | ||
| He's either speaking so imprecisely or he's so wrong. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure which. | ||
| But it's not the only boat he's got. | ||
| He's got another boat. | ||
| You know, the Maine started the Spanish-American War, 1898, with William McKinley and his Navy. | ||
| That's staged, most historians agree. | ||
| Blown up. | ||
| Everybody was off the ship. | ||
| Said that the Spanish had done it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, Kaiser Wilhelm was actually on that one. | ||
| So that's why that started that war. | ||
| Man, Germany is not even in the mix on this one. | ||
| So Alex is kind of correct that the singing of the USS Maine did lead to the start of the Spanish-American War. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Sort of did. | ||
| It set some of the conditions in place and was a spark, certainly. | ||
| But he's expressly wrong about everyone being off the ship. | ||
| The USS Maine had a crew of 355 men, and when it blew up, 253 of them were killed, with eight more dying later from their injuries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was complete luck. | ||
| On February 1st, 1898, the USS Maine blew up while docked at Havana Harbor. | ||
| Immediately, debates flared up about what had caused the explosion, with many viewing it as the result of an accident where on the ship, coal had combusted and lit munitions. | ||
| Dick Cheney, I believe. | ||
| That was the one who did it. | ||
| No, man. | ||
| No, he's cool. | ||
| He's old, but not that old. | ||
| Others, notably Teddy Roosevelt, who was also pushing for war after the Lusitania sunk, because that dude just loves wars, argued that it was probably a mine that blew up the USS Maine and we should attack Spain. | ||
| In the immediate aftermath, neither side was really arguing from a place based on evidence. | ||
| They were just using the event to push toward the result they wanted. | ||
| Calmer heads didn't want things with Spain to escalate, and then people like Roosevelt were eager to start a war. | ||
| Left to their own devices, these sides probably would have just argued between each other until a formal investigation had been done, and ultimately the war may never have actually even happened. | ||
| I base that assumption on the fact that President McKinley was not intervening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the 1890s, though... | ||
| There was a bit of a media feud going on in the New York newspaper market between Joseph Pulitzer of the New York World and William Randolph Hearst of the New York Journal Both great dudes. | ||
| Everybody remembers them super fondly. | ||
| Yellow journalism is awesome, and it definitely bears no similarity to the propaganda that is destroying us right now. | ||
| Zero similarity. | ||
| None. | ||
| The two dudes did not like each other and wanted nothing more than to put the other one out of business so they could have more share of the market, which manifested in them trying to outdo each other in how sensational their news could be. | ||
| They were competing in a profit-driven zero-sum game where the public were the pawns. | ||
| They found they were able to sell more papers if they were more sensational, had more inflammatory headlines, and framed news stories in more creative ways, whether or not those creative tellings of events depicted reality or not. | ||
| They knew that if they built a narrative and pushed it with enough vigor and emotion, it would drive people to buy their product. | ||
| It would work people up into an emotional fervor, then you sell to them. | ||
| It is not a business model we're at all familiar with. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I believe the paper was actually called Rosebud Wars, though. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's what Hearst called it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, by the time of the sinking of the Maine, there had already been a great deal of tension for years between the United States and Spain. | ||
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| I mean, even if you're in favor of the cause behind their actions, you can still see the promotion of Cuban independence in their papers the way they did it as bad means towards a good end. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They'd been playing that game for a while and making a lot of money off it by the time the main sunk. | ||
| So they were in an ideal position to capitalize off it. | ||
| With no more information than the doves in the government or the hawkish Teddy Roosevelt, both Hearst and Pulitzer set out to rally the public against Spain, explicitly arguing that Spain had sunk the Maine. | ||
| Their papers pushed the slogan, Remember the Maine, and did everything they could to advocate for war with Spain. | ||
| They did this partially because they were biased in favor of Cuban independence, but more importantly because it raised their profit margins. | ||
| Now, it would be stupid for me to sit here and argue that Hearst and Pulitzer were responsible for the outbreak of the Spanish-American War. | ||
| That would be fucking simplistic and dumb. | ||
| Wildly irresponsible. | ||
| But it would be equally stupid to not recognize the part they played in it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There was a piece of the puzzle that they were massive propaganda organs making up stories and sensationalizing kernels of real stories intent on bending public opinion towards war. | ||
| Alex didn't get Trump elected. | ||
| But he did play a goddamn part in it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And much like Trump getting elected, Hearst and Pulitzer succeeded. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| As the idea of a military intervention became more and more popular, the more they tugged on the heartstrings and embellished news to line their pockets. | ||
| They never would have been able to start the war on their own, though. | ||
| They needed influential people like Teddy Roosevelt banging the drum internally within the government to make it happen. | ||
| He's kind of the John Bolton of that time. | ||
| Similarly, no one ever would want John Bolton to become president. | ||
| No one wanted Teddy Roosevelt to become president. | ||
| He did. | ||
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| Great. | ||
| We're doing awesome. | ||
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So that makes me think John Bolton might be president in five years. | |
| I think his mustache might be president. | ||
| He'll have to transplant it to somebody younger. | ||
| Do I remember a story of Trump telling him to shave his mustache? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I hope he did. | ||
| That'd be great. | ||
| So subsequent investigations, most notably one done by Admiral Hyman G. Rickover in 1974, reached the conclusion that the explosion of the main was the result of unforeseen volatilities in the main's use of a new type of coal. | ||
| The ship had previously used anthracite coal, but had just switched to bituminous coal, largely because that type of coal would be able to make ships move faster and sail faster. | ||
| Unfortunately, it was also way more caustic and prone to spontaneous combustion. | ||
| And this type of coal being present, as well as the significant amounts of pyrite that were found, leads to a strong indication that the ship's Yeah. | ||
| The sinking of the main was not a false flag. | ||
| It was a horrible accident that was used opportunistically by propagandists looking to turn a profit off delivering stilted news in an emotionally compelling and dishonest way. | ||
| I'm not saying that Alex is doing the same thing here and is basically the yellow journalism of the modern era, but I am saying there's probably a reason he'd rather call that a false flag than examine the actual forces that were at play during the time. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So, do you think he's got another boat? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| You know, the thing that I remember specifically about this, because I read the, I can't remember, the Drums of War or the Fog of War by Barbara Tuchman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I keep thinking about the chicken hawks who are like, oh, we need to go to war, but I would never send my son or anything like that. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And how fucking hypocritical bullshit that is. | ||
| They're scary. | ||
| But the ones like Teddy Roosevelt who are like, I went and fought that war? | ||
| I want more people to win? | ||
| I'm the president? | ||
| I'll be on the front lines? | ||
| Those guys are terrifying. | ||
| I want blood. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like Andrew Jackson just walking around just drinking fucking all the blood of the enemies that he's destroyed and you're like, oh yeah, we definitely want him to be president. | ||
| Yeah, because it's like, you know, you talk to those people who are like those chicken hawks you're describing and you're like, you point out the hypocrisy of it and it's like, well, alright. | ||
| You asked for it. | ||
| Here's Teddy Rose. | ||
| They're like, uh-oh. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's the escalation of like, uh-oh. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Be careful what I wish for. | ||
| I just think you're wrong. | ||
| And you scare me. | ||
| So he does have another boat. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I believe this is the last boat that he's going to bring up. | ||
| And, of course, there's so many other famous naval events. | ||
| The USS Liberty, which was staged by Israel to get us into war with Egypt, didn't work. | ||
| That's been even declassified by many Israeli documents and fighter pilots. | ||
| So, the USS Liberty. | ||
| In case anyone is unfamiliar with that, on June 8, 1967, the Israeli Air Force, as well as their Navy, fired on an American ship, the USS Liberty, as it sat in the Mediterranean Sea. | ||
| It was in the middle of the Six-Day War, during which the U.S. was a neutral party, and the ship was in international waters, so there was really no justification for their acts. | ||
| Israel said that they mistook the ship for an Egyptian warship, but a whole lot of folks don't trust that explanation. | ||
| Their arguments largely hinge on complicated conspiracy theories that I'll get into later in this episode. | ||
| For now, what I want to stress is that there's no possible reality wherein Israel would have done what they did in order to try and trick the United States into war with Egypt. | ||
| It would be a bad idea on their part. | ||
| Well, one reason I can say that pretty confidently is that Israel almost immediately took responsibility for the attack and apologized for it. | ||
| If there's any uncertainty about the why of the event, why it happened, there's no uncertainty about the who. | ||
| And there wasn't any real cover-up or attempts to make it look like the jets were Egyptian crafts or anything. | ||
| There's no way that the U.S. would have had that attack happen and Israel comes over and is like, hey, sorry about that. | ||
| messed up, and then they decide, all right, let's attack Egypt. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alex believes that Israel's objective was to kill everyone on the liberty, so there's no survivors, and they could just say that Egypt did it. | ||
| This doesn't make any sense, since the airships were marked as Israeli. | ||
| So if anyone on board the ship survived, or if any of them were able to radio anyone, or if there's any ship nearby that saw what happened, the whole plan would be busted. | ||
| If they really were trying to set up Egypt, they could have easily marked their helicopters with Egyptian markers or just not had Israeli ones on them. | ||
| One of the survivors testified that he could see the ships were Israeli from 2,000 yards away, which would give them ample time to radio that Israel was attacking them. | ||
| Given the technology that existed at the time and each party possessed, it would have been impossible for the signal to be jammed coming out of the boat, and the Liberty was able to send out a distress call. | ||
| So they would have been able to blow this false flag up, even if every single person on that boat ended up being killed. | ||
| I'm not going to pretend that the Israeli military hasn't definitely used false flags before, like in the case of the 1954 Levon affair, but looking at this case, it doesn't look like Alex's argument makes much sense. | ||
| If only I knew where he was getting this information from. | ||
| Well, I believe it was the... | ||
| Maybe he'll bring it up later. | ||
| I think he might. | ||
| I'm pretty sure the only reason Israel had the Six Day War was to inspire a pretty great DJ Shadow song. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that was why. | ||
| Oh, that Six Days? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a fine song. | ||
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So... | |
| I lied. | ||
| There's one more boat situation that Alex brings up. | ||
| But so far, I think he's 0 for 3. None of these seem like false flags to me. | ||
| They're just complicated pieces of history he would rather not deal with the realities of. | ||
| So here's his last volley. | ||
| And of course, you've got so many other big events like the Gulf of Tonkin. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| There's the one. | ||
| Bring it up! | ||
| Vietnam. | ||
| I'm sure the headline will be out later in the news today. | ||
| Alex Jones says that the tanker attacks are a false flag. | ||
| I did not say that. | ||
| I said that it could be. | ||
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| It's amazing that it's almost more reasonable for him to say that it was a false flag than for him to believe it wasn't. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's almost like... | ||
| No, it's weird. | ||
| The headlines wouldn't be Alex Jones thinks it's a false flag. | ||
| The headlines would be like, maybe Alex got it this time. | ||
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No, the headlines would be... | |
| Alex Jones bucks tradition. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would love it if it was just something dismissive. | ||
| Alex Jones fights against his programming. | ||
| So the Gulf of Tonkin, you might have one there. | ||
| What happened with the Gulf of Tonkin incident was that on August 2nd, 1964, the USS Maddox engaged with three Vietnamese torpedo boats. | ||
| Then the U.S. lied about a second confrontation happening on August 4th, which was just totally made up. | ||
| Also, we lied about not having fired first in the August 2nd incident. | ||
| And it was all definitely part of trying to get more directly involved in Vietnam. | ||
| So Alex is close enough for jazz on this one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Honestly, though, him being right about this kind of makes things worse. | ||
| Here's what I mean. | ||
| You would sound crazy and paranoid if you just insisted that everything was fake because you had one example from 55 years ago. | ||
| Alex needs to create the appearance of a pattern in order to justify thinking that everything could be a false flag. | ||
| And that leads him to believe completely untrue things, like the Lusitania sinking caused us to get into World War I, or that all the men were off the main when it was false flags sunk. | ||
| He has to think that those things are false, too, because the reality of the Gulf of Tonkin incident isn't enough for him to justify his stupid way of thinking. | ||
| And, you know, no one disputes that the Gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't the case of lying to get into war. | ||
| But that's unsatisfying to Alex, because everyone already agrees with him. | ||
| You're not blowing minds talking about the Gulf of Tonkin. | ||
| Books, tons of books are written about it. | ||
| The, you know, fucking McNamara's gone on record and been interviewed about it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| But, you know, I'll tell you what. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| Everyone's off the main. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just his way of making something sexier. | ||
| And it's lame. | ||
| It's very lame. | ||
| That is one of those things that every part of that, like the real history of every part of the Vietnam War is the most disgusting, horrific possibility that you can have. | ||
| Like that it was all started based on lies and bullshit that Nixon went behind. | ||
| into LBJ's back in order to keep the war going for an extra couple of years so LBJ couldn't be reelected. | ||
| Like, that is fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Which is why it's absolutely not possible for anything like that to ever happen again, Dan. | |
| No. | ||
| So, uh... | ||
| The position that we're in right now is Alex has a bunch of boats that are justifying his, like, you know, they love to do boat false flags, but maybe this is real. | ||
| The mullahs are crazy. | ||
| And here's where we get to Alex. | ||
| In that, what was that, the last clip? | ||
| He's like, everyone's going to say that I said. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I didn't say it was fake. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| And he starts to get closer and closer to saying it was real and Iran did it. | ||
| This is an entrenched group that, yes, has a lot of unpopularity in their nation, but a large military in place with a tight grip from the throat of the people. | ||
| And Iran might roll the dice and start these provocations, deny them, but then still use it to push into a larger war, activating Hezbollah sleeper cells, which are in every major country and are ready to wreak havoc. | ||
| If you think a school shooting wreaks havoc in your town, take a couple of Iranian special ops, The globalists are hyper-compatible. | ||
| Talking about Hezbollah coming in and dumping chlorine in your AC unit. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| So this is where it starts to turn into, like, I kind of enjoy talking about Iran being scary. | ||
| I think I'm going to keep going down this road. | ||
| Yeah, he's saying that Iran is false flagging a false flag. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| I mean, Iran is pretending that it's a false flag as a false flag operation in order to convince people to start a war with Iran? | ||
| We might have to disentangle this. | ||
| I think what he is expressing is that Iran definitely did it, right? | ||
| And then now they're saying that they didn't do it in order to get Trump to attack them so they can play the victim. | ||
| So, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Quasi-false flag? | ||
| Is that what that is? | ||
| Yeah, I think that might be a quasi-false flag. | ||
| Is that what that is? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Alex has nothing to base any of this on, so it doesn't matter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In this next clip, though, he needs to justify why it's not a false flag. | ||
| And one of the reasons is that Trump doesn't like that kind of thing. | ||
| Now, I know Trump is not into false flags. | ||
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Cool. | |
| He's a straight shooter. | ||
| In fact, he's even gone into the CIA and told folks... | ||
| No false flags. | ||
| ...that I've talked to her in the room. | ||
| Large, large room. | ||
| Why does it matter the size of the room? | ||
| It's a large room. | ||
| It's a big old room. | ||
| It's a large room. | ||
| And all the dirty stuff's over. | ||
| Cut out the dirty stuff. | ||
| I'm not going to play both sides. | ||
| I've told... | ||
| This is a few days after he got elected and got into office. | ||
| Trump told the whole room of the CIA of top people, he said, we're going to tell Saudi Arabia you're going to stop funding ISIS and Al-Qaeda or we'll overthrow you. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Yeah, it's not. | ||
| I don't think any of this is true. | ||
| None of it. | ||
| But it's an interesting kind of... | ||
| It's an interesting kind of way to look at things. | ||
| Like, Trump got in there and he's like, hey, I'm the new sheriff in these parts. | ||
| Knock it out. | ||
| No more dirty business. | ||
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Knock it out. | |
| Actually, I think he might have said, stop looking into my dirty business. | ||
| Yeah, that might have been a miss. | ||
| They gave him a telephone. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| When it got to Alex, it had changed. | ||
| Or cut out the dirty stuff. | ||
| That's about the pee tape. | ||
| Cut out the dirty stuff. | ||
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Edit it out. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Between minute 12 and 13 seconds to... | ||
| It's all nonsense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But... | |
| You know, he's still in a place, like, he's pushing. | ||
| You can really feel his instincts driving him towards saying it was Iran. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he doesn't know, and he kind of wants to keep his options open here. | ||
| We're only about ten minutes or so into the actual show. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| And he's still, he's got this ambivalence to him. | ||
| We don't know what's happened. | ||
| I'm not prepared to say that this is a false flag. | ||
| But I also think it's very interesting that... | ||
| You've got, quote, U.S. officials saying they think it's Iran, and that Iran stands to gain, when many other analysts, and I agree with them, say Iran doesn't. | ||
| But the Mullahs are unstable, and they do have a powerful military, and they are crazy. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| Well, that justifies everything. | ||
| But, you know, you've got the scales here. | ||
| You've got Alex saying, on the one hand, oh no, false flags are fun. | ||
| On the other hand, Mullahs are crazy. | ||
| Ah, shit, what am I going to do? | ||
| And then, as he's on air, kaboom. | ||
| Light bulb flashes over his head, but it is a very dim light bulb. | ||
| It is a light bulb that is on its last legs. | ||
| It's flickering, but he still considers it a memory and an idea, and he remembers something that's evidence that the mullahs did this. | ||
| If he says, Sandy Hook, I'm killing you. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| You know, I just remembered, though, a month ago, the head mullah, the ayatollah of rock and roll over there, Chris Jericho? | ||
| The exact headline was, Iran's leader, supreme leader, he pressed TV hat. | ||
| It was directly out of their state-run media. | ||
| Iran's supreme leader vows to retaliate to U.S. sanctions and declares... | ||
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What's the exact term that he used? | |
| Let's pull the quote up. | ||
| Said that they were activating their Hezbollah forces around the world and that the entire world was a battlefield. | ||
| Huge, if true. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So I looked through, I was trying to find this article that Alex is talking about. | ||
| I can't find it. | ||
| Doesn't exist? | ||
| I can't figure out. | ||
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Doesn't exist? | |
| I looked all through press TV. | ||
| I looked all through Infowars. | ||
| The closest I can find is, I mean, these are a little close, maybe. | ||
| There's an article on Press TV from February 13th, 2019, where Iran vowed revenge against terrorist groups who attacked their guard troops and killed 27 of their soldiers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, that's vowing revenge. | ||
| Yeah, I'll give them that. | ||
| And it's from close to the time period Alex is talking about. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The closest other thing I could find to that quote that he's struggling to remember is an article in the Christian Science Monitor that seems pretty in favor of regime change. | ||
| The title, the headline is, quote, Why Europe is Again a Battlefield for Iran's Internal Wars. | ||
| It's not that close, though, to what Alex is talking about and definitely not what he's describing. | ||
| I'm kind of at a loss as to what he's talking about. | ||
| And even searching for those terms, like I said, on Infowars itself doesn't pull up an article. | ||
| I know what it is. | ||
| It's the Iranian Smashing Pumpkins cover band. | ||
| The world is a battlefield. | ||
| That's how it goes. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| No vampires. | ||
| No. | ||
| No vampires. | ||
| In Iran? | ||
| No. | ||
| Actually, there is one. | ||
| It was a really great movie. | ||
| Have you ever seen it? | ||
| Vampire in Iran? | ||
| No. | ||
| That would be a great title, though. | ||
| I would. | ||
| So thankfully, I couldn't... | ||
| I mean, not thankfully, I couldn't find anything. | ||
| That's just to be expected. | ||
| But thankfully, Alex, at this point, right after he says those things, he refines the search terms a little bit. | ||
| And maybe that'll help me find the story he's talking about. | ||
| Just pull up. | ||
| Iran's leader threatens to retaliate to U.S. sanctions. | ||
| By hitting soft targets. | ||
| So just that statement a month ago, and I went and checked it. | ||
| I didn't just believe it when it was on the bottom of CNN. | ||
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| I went and checked Press TV, and there it was, and I meant to cover that. | ||
| I think I did. | ||
| Ooh, that's a big deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That just moved the needle. | ||
| Towards it being Iran. | ||
| Ooh, he's moved the needle. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Leave the needle where it is. | ||
| Again, I couldn't find what Alex was talking about. | ||
| Even when he clarified his search terms, it didn't really help. | ||
| If you search for these words that Alex is expressing, the closest thing I could find is a May 16th, 2019 article in Market Watch, which I do know Alex has cited a bunch of times in the past, so it makes sense that he would have read it. | ||
| The headline is, quote, Iran's foreign minister responds to unacceptable sanctions by the United States. | ||
| At no point... | ||
| In that article, does the Foreign Minister Mohamed Zarif threaten retaliation, nor does he discuss soft targets? | ||
| Those words only exist coming out of the mouth of Anwar Gargash, who is the Minister of Foreign Affairs for the United Arab Emirates, saying that if civilian targets were hit, their Saudi-led coalition would, quote, retaliate hard against Iran. | ||
| Or there's a Reuters article from May 26, 2016 that's reporting on something from Press TV. | ||
| The headline is, quote, Iran's Khomeini calls for vigilance against West's soft war. | ||
| That article doesn't say a single word about Hezbollah or unleashing terrorists or any of the stuff Alex is talking about. | ||
| However, there is an article from May 19th in Reuters where Ayatollah Khomeini says, quote, There won't be any war. | ||
| The Iranian nation has chosen the path of resistance. | ||
| We don't seek a war, and they don't either. | ||
| They know it's not in their interests. | ||
| But that doesn't seem to be in line with what Alex is reporting, and I still do not know what he's talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I am still somewhat at a loss. | ||
| Do you know what's amazing? | ||
| Do you know what the thing I learned about this mainly, the big takeaway for me with this story? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I don't think Ayatolli Khomeini's Twitter account has a blue checkmark. | ||
| I don't think he's verified. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| I think he might not be verified. | ||
| Because there were a couple of tweets towards Shinzo Abe. | ||
| Being like, dude, this wasn't us. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| This is super weird. | ||
| That might be a fake account. | ||
| It could be, but everybody was reporting on it like it was his account. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people are stupid, though. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| But I mean, like, The Guardian and shit like that. | ||
| Hey, they make mistakes. | ||
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That's true. | |
| I'm not saying it's not his account, but I would also be totally... | ||
| I believe the world exists where Ayatollah Khomeini is not on Twitter. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It may be like a spokesperson account, or it may be a complete fake account, but it just makes me laugh. | ||
| It could be a troll thing. | ||
| It makes me laugh that The Guardian has Ayatollah Khomeini's Twitter account going, Shinzo, Shinzo, no, we didn't do it. | ||
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| Quit it. | ||
| That seems weird. | ||
| That does seem weird. | ||
| Considering Shinzo Abe was in Iran, or they were visiting at the time. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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So why would he have to tweet him? | |
| Right. | ||
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And, well, no, Abe had already started, Arby already left. | |
| And then all of a sudden, a Japanese boat goes... | ||
| Perfect time. | ||
| And MBS is screaming about how Saudi Arabia knows all the intelligence. | ||
| I'm just... | ||
| Suspicious. | ||
| But not as suspicious as this article that Alex remembers that I can't find at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That one's super suspicious. | ||
| Very suspicious. | ||
| It's suspicious in its absence as well. | ||
| So now Alex remembers some other details, and it really gets him into just stepping close to the line of calling for war. | ||
| I think Iran's really crazy enough to do this, to deny they're doing it, to put pressure on Trump economically. | ||
| Well, hell! | ||
| They threatened to close this trade of Hormuzh a month ago, too, in the same damn speech. | ||
| See, I'm so used to false flags that everything starts looking like one because there's been so many in history. | ||
| I hate you. | ||
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| But the more I percolate on this, they shot their mouth off a month ago. | ||
| Iran threatens to close this trade of Hormuzh. | ||
| That'll be everywhere. | ||
| So he has decided they shot their mouth off a month ago. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| This is proof. | ||
| So, the article that Alex is talking about here is from April 22, 2019, and he's leaving out a really important part of the statement that Iran put out. | ||
| They said specifically that they would close the Strait of Hormuz if they were prevented from using it. | ||
| It's a conditional statement. | ||
| An absurdly high amount of the world's oil traffic runs through Hormuz, and Iran does control a large portion of that water area. | ||
| Oman controls a fair amount of it on the other side of the strait. | ||
| But if Iran were to be prevented from using their own waterway, it does make some sense that they would shut down their part of it. | ||
| Alex is later going to say that this threat they made to close the Strait of Hormuz was like, they threatened to blow up boats in order to fit what's going on in the present, but that wasn't what they threatened. | ||
| They threatened to shut down block traffic in the Strait. | ||
| When we owned the Panama Canal, we did that every other week. | ||
| There was always a threat to shut down the Panama Canal. | ||
| And that's the same thing that experts talk about in terms of this threat that they made. | ||
| Iran has said it many times, that they were going to shut down the strait. | ||
| We'll do it. | ||
| To the point where a lot of analysts have called it a reflexive move. | ||
| I would say that given the Trump administration's clear strategy of antagonizing people, this might be a time that they would follow through with it, but they haven't done that yet, and this instance of this tanker is not... | ||
| That's not an indication of closing the straight. | ||
| So whatever Alex is trying to present about, like, they threatened to do this a month ago, now they're doing it, which is going to be the thesis that he starts running with, is not accurate at all. | ||
| This is an embarrassment. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex has convinced himself this is Iran. | ||
| Really? | ||
| When I woke up this morning and heard that one ship had been torpedoed, one bombed, in the Gulf, right off the coast of Iran, I said, are they really that crazy? | ||
| Because so many wars get started with a false flag where a country will attack its own ship to blame the nation they want to attack or invade. | ||
| There's many historical examples of that. | ||
| I'll go into some. | ||
| I was watching ABC News, CNN, Fox News, and they were unsure. | ||
| And then some U.S. officials started coming out from the Trump administration saying, we believe it's Iran, but not giving any evidence. | ||
| And then I was sitting here, creaking on air earlier. | ||
| I don't need evidence. | ||
| And it all hit me. | ||
| The Iranians took credit for this four months ago, two months ago, and about a month ago, and my crew was able to pull up the articles you heard me mention on air from memory. | ||
| I hate you so much. | ||
| So let me just tell you right now, Iran is the main suspect, and Iran stands to gain from this, and Iran... | ||
| Thinks that they can push Trump into backing off sanctions or they'll continue to sabotage ships in the Gulf and then claim that Trump is staging it so that if Trump strikes back, they look like the victim. | ||
| Quasi-false flag. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He's talked himself real hard into this position, which is... | ||
| I mean, if it does end up being the case that Iran did this, which I don't... | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| It's possible, but I have no idea. | ||
| I mean, Alex's thinking is still terrible. | ||
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It's awful! | |
| Even if his conclusion is correct, this is real bad. | ||
| Yeah, the Iranians are as dumb as the globalists in his mind. | ||
| So in this next clip, he starts talking directly to the heads of state of Iran. | ||
| Oh, well, that's nice of him. | ||
| I'm sure they're listening. | ||
| This is crazy narcissistic. | ||
| So, here's the big announcement. | ||
| Iran thinks they can't lose because they think they control the paradigm of choices. | ||
| I'm speaking directly to Iran right now and their mullahs. | ||
| I know what you're up to because you've shot your mouths off. | ||
| Hey, Mullahs, I'm talking to you. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Listen up, Mullahs! | ||
| You shot your mouth off for the last time! | ||
| I'm coming for you! | ||
| I mean, it's bizarre that he actually thinks that, like, Khomeini is watching InfoWars. | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
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Where do you think Khomeini gets all of the tenets of Islam from? | |
| He just listens to Alex's weird-ass comedy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| John Bound is a great thinker. | ||
| What he's talking about in terms of controlling the choices, it's like you've created a position where no matter what the choices, you come out looking. | ||
| No matter what Trump does, you win. | ||
| The matrix of choices, it's stupid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So anyway, Alex gets into some primary sources about his argument that Iran did it, and here we go. | ||
| Now why do I know that? | ||
| Because I read press TV. | ||
| I've been on press TV about a hundred times. | ||
| And I just got too tired. | ||
| I don't go on BBC, Press TV, really any of it anymore. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| Because he's tired. | ||
| We don't work for Iran because I've gone on their national television over a hundred times. | ||
| I kind of think you work for Iran now. | ||
| I read what their government says and what they say domestically. | ||
| And I've got it right here. | ||
| Because if somebody tells you they'll sink ships, then it starts happening? | ||
| They said they're going to do it. | ||
| So they are the prime suspect. | ||
| Iran vows to retaliate if U.S. lists Revolutionary Guard as terror organization. | ||
| That was April 9th. | ||
| So that's the headline that Alex is reading, because he reads press TV. | ||
| He reads their internal domestic stuff. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That's an article from The Independent about an article in Press TV. | ||
| Alex would know this if he paid any attention. | ||
| If Alex was actually reading Press TV, then he would have read a different headline. | ||
| Quote, IRCG warns reciprocal action against U.S. forces if labeled terrorist. | ||
| Also, the article is from April 7th, not April 9th. | ||
| I mean, that's a little petty, but he's getting everything wrong here. | ||
| This is an article. | ||
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I read the real stuff. | |
| All you did is Google an article in The Independent and you say it's from Press TV. | ||
| Yeah, what are you, translating it? | ||
| No, I mean, it's in English. | ||
| Press TV's in English. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or at least the blogs. | ||
| Not blogs, but the website. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I read a bunch of stuff on it. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| So the article doesn't... | ||
| It does include some vague insinuations that there would be trouble if Trump makes a decision to label the IRCG a terrorist organization, but you really have to look at it in the big picture. | ||
| The IRCG is a branch of Iran's armed forces, so labeling them as a recognized terrorist group is really close to declaring war on them. | ||
| It would be like if France decided to declare the U.S. Navy an enemy of their country. | ||
| It's kind of baiting. | ||
| And also, that article doesn't say that they're going to sink boats or activate sleeper cells if Trump labeled them a terrorist organization. | ||
| It's specifically about putting an urgent motion through the government to label the U.S. military personnel as blacklisted terrorists. | ||
| Like the headline says, reciprocal actions. | ||
| This first article that Alex is bringing up does nothing to prove his points. | ||
| It's all just misrepresented, and you know how sloppy he is by him saying it's a press TV article instead of an independent. | ||
| So, you know, he's dumb. | ||
| But he thinks he's cracked the code. | ||
| He thinks he's got this. | ||
| Yeah, it would be weird. | ||
| He has blacklist banks, individuals for transferring billions to Iran's Revolutionary Guard. | ||
| That's March 26th, yeah. | ||
| But they went on to list the guard about a month after. | ||
| So there you go, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Iran says they did it. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| He's nailed it. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
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We went in a long journey. | |
| With zero evidence of anything! | ||
| None. | ||
| Just weird articles he kind of half-remembers and never read to begin with. | ||
| Vague conspiracy theories about boats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this is just sloppy shit. | ||
| So we're... | ||
| Not too far into Alex's show. | ||
| He packs a lot in at the beginning of this June 13th episode. | ||
| But it's very important to recognize that as he came out of the gate, what he did over the course of the first hour of his program was talk himself into getting to the point where he's doing, like you said, a wrestling promo at the Mullas of Iran and saying they admitted that they did this in advance. | ||
| He's talked himself into that position. | ||
| Now that is not to say that that's where he stays. | ||
| But that is something that he is broadcasting, and he is reinforcing, defending, and that's his stated line for now. | ||
| Are we going to get some serious vacillating back and forth between each position? | ||
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It's a false flag. | |
| It's real. | ||
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It's a false flag. | |
| It's real. | ||
| Not so much, but we'll get something. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So in this next clip, he says that, you know... | ||
| What's going to happen is that if there's a war, all these Hezbollah Iranian sleeper cells are going to activate and all this. | ||
| And that is something that Alex has been talking about, right? | ||
| It's been something he's brought up for a long time. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And that's why Google and Facebook and YouTube wanted him censored, because he talks about the Hezbollah sleeper cells. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| When we got the Google internal report of what they wanted banned... | ||
| And Google was spending $15 million to have me delisted, but they were paying private outside groups to manipulate the algorithm. | ||
| So when they tell Congress, oh, we don't do it, oh, no, you just have somebody else do it for you. | ||
| It's still technically a lie. | ||
| One of the things was that I was talking about Iranian sleeper cells. | ||
| They don't want us talking about that, folks, because the left is working with Hezbollah. | ||
| I'm going to say that again. | ||
| You heard that years ago here, and now it's been in mainstream news. | ||
| MS-13 and Hezbollah work with the Democrats, made a deal with the Democrats five years ago to help launder money, to help control the Middle East. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's what pissed off the Saudis so much and scared the living hell out of them, to where they'll do whatever Trump says. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't have much of a response to that, because I can't take that seriously. | ||
| But I do want to say that every time he says, I'm going to say it again, I always think I dumps like a truck. | ||
| I just think of it as Cisco. | ||
| Just think of the phone song. | ||
| Let me say it again! | ||
| It really impedes my ability to listen to his show, because he does say, I'm going to say it again a bunch. | ||
| See, I just get James Brown in my head every time. | ||
| I say, I'm going to say it again! | ||
| Hit me! | ||
| I want him to do that. | ||
| I want him to do it so bad. | ||
| This is our generational difference between you and I. The three years difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm older. | ||
| So one of the reasons I'm not going to respond to that clip is because it's rank nonsense. | ||
| The Google document thing, the stuff we've talked about before, it's him misrepresenting some emails that got released and prove in any way that, quote-unquote, the left, these non-specific terms, the left, is working with Hezbollah and MS-13. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| They're having a great time. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Not necessary to respond to, especially because in this next clip, Alex explains what he's talking about and the specifics of how this works, and it's crazy. | ||
| So Obama can give the order and Hezbollah will come to your house or MS-13 will come to your house under orders. | ||
| He doesn't know it comes from Obama or Hillary. | ||
| And then you just hear, oh, a gang broke in and killed the congressman. | ||
| And they're killing Republican state senators right now as a test. | ||
| I warned everybody about this last year. | ||
| I said, you'll start hearing about senators getting killed at their houses and then it's going to move on. | ||
| It's all a test. | ||
| Hezbollah and MS-13. | ||
| Have your houses listed. | ||
| And that's why I told you, you better have your battle rifles ready. | ||
| Who's their real estate agent? | ||
| They'll kidnap your kids. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They'll carjack you. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| They'll shoot you in the head. | ||
| That was an escalation. | ||
| They'll throw some heroin at the scene. | ||
| And they've got killers in every town to match Trump, they believe, and the embedded assassination teams that are in every U.S. city. | ||
| Even my town? | ||
| Apparently Trump has embedded assassination teams in every city. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we got Trump's embedded assassination teams alongside Hezbollah's embedded assassination teams. | ||
| Oh, they're sleeper assassination teams. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| I saw the Americans. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Because if it wasn't, then it would be Bedlam already. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So is everybody here working for one or the other? | ||
| God damn it, Dan! | ||
| I knew it! | ||
| This whole time! | ||
| This is a strange way to view the world. | ||
| But also, recently, two former state senators have been killed, which is what Alex is referencing. | ||
| It's become a little bit of a dumb conspiracy thing. | ||
| One of them is from Arkansas. | ||
| So, of course, QAnon folks linked her death to Hillary Clinton and assumed that it must be in Arkansas. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| It's nice to see Alex resist that easy path that's very much in his wheelhouse in favor of a much more challenging narrative of Obama sent out Hezbollah kill teams to murder obscure state senators who weren't even in office anymore as a trial run before moving on to the main target, Alex Jones' audience. | ||
| Yeah, I can see how the Clinton angle is a lot quicker. | ||
| Yeah, it's much more of a layup, a direct path as opposed to... | ||
| Alright, got a lot to prove in that statement you're making, Alex. | ||
| So, the state senator from Arkansas, Linda Collins, was found dead in her home on June 4th. | ||
| Police put a gag order on details on the case, other than to say it was a murder, which isn't all that suspicious, considering she's a former state senator. | ||
| She lost the 2018 primary, so at that point of her death, she was just a private citizen. | ||
| But extending that courtesy to her is something that I think is appropriate for a police department to do, and I don't think there's anything weird about that at all. | ||
| Last week, 48-year-old Rebecca Lynn O'Donnell was arrested for Collins' murder. | ||
| She was an active volunteer for Collins' campaign, and the two appear to have had a friendly relationship. | ||
| I'll wait until more information comes out on this to make a full decision, but it appears that this might be a State Senate Selena-type situation. | ||
| Either that or Hezbollah and MS-13 are employing white grandmothers to do their dirty work. | ||
| That could be true. | ||
| Which might be the case. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Who else would you employ? | ||
| They can go anywhere. | ||
| Like ghosts. | ||
| The other state senator is from Oklahoma, and he hadn't been in office since 2013. | ||
| Jonathan Nichols was found dead in his home on June 5th from a gunshot wound. | ||
| You know who you should have called. | ||
| I don't think they're related. | ||
| I hope they're not related. | ||
| But the police, even though they did say that he died from a gunshot wound, they have not been specific in labeling it a murder. | ||
| Instead, they've said that they're handling it as a, quote, death investigation. | ||
| It's really sad, and I feel bad for everyone involved, their families and the community, but we don't know anything about what happened here. | ||
| Nichols could very well have committed suicide, for all we know, and until there's more details known, it's really abusive to these people's memory to use their death as a prop, which is exactly what Alex is doing. | ||
| They have gag orders on this shit. | ||
| It's because they're like, oh, fuck. | ||
| We're going to get a million phone calls about this. | ||
| It's the respect to their memories, not let this information prematurely get out. | ||
| But unfortunately, because of the toxic environment we all live in, the absence of information is itself conspiracy-worthy evidence. | ||
| Yeah, there's no win. | ||
| So, in this next clip, I mean, I guess it's just, be scared. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| This is real. | ||
| This is treason. | ||
| The Democrats are globalists. | ||
| They hate the country. | ||
| They want to bring it down. | ||
| They have murder teams all over the nation. | ||
| At least he didn't get cut off by the break. | ||
| I'll respect his timing on that one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very rare instance of him timing out to commercial appropriately. | ||
| I feel a lot better than I'm not a registered Democrat now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because I don't want to be involved with kill teams. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or be suspected erroneously of being involved with kill teams. | ||
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| I'm not registered. | ||
| I'm not registered. | ||
| Whoa, guys. | ||
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That's all bullshit. | |
| And I'm not a Democrat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| That's why everybody voted for Jill Stein, is because they didn't want to be associated with the kill teams. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I bet at least some of them did. | ||
| That's actually probably true. | ||
| So in this next clip, we get back to Iran and that business. | ||
| And now Alex is making much more definitive statements about it. | ||
| The evidence at this point is overwhelming. | ||
| Iran just months ago said, if you put sanctions... | ||
| On our Revolutionary Guard around the world, we will start bombing ships in the Strait of Hormuz. | ||
| So they didn't say that. | ||
| That is Alex misinterpreted things. | ||
| But also, keep in mind, him saying evidence is now overwhelming. | ||
| There isn't any more evidence than what we have talked about already. | ||
| He hasn't presented anything that's different. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| And we will block the Strait of Hormuz. | ||
| We will cost you trillions of dollars. | ||
| But then, once you do it, you then deny it so that you can get the U.S. to attack you and make yourself the victim, like they've already been doing with their patrol boats in international water, grabbing our troops, our sailors, our Marines, our SEALs. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| So that's what's happening here. | ||
| I have no doubt. | ||
| Yes, there's a long history of false flags and staged events, but no one's talking about how the Iranians, nowhere. | ||
| Threatened in April and in the subsequent months that they would do this, and now it's happened. | ||
| Alex is saying that he has no doubt. | ||
| That's important. | ||
| Yeah, that was quick. | ||
| Yeah, the evidence is overwhelming, he has no doubt. | ||
| Now, you responded to that they're grabbing troops up, and Alex is clearly talking about Iran detaining ten Marines back in January 2016, but he's implying like it's something that's happening now, and somehow part of his argument that Iran did this attack last Thursday. | ||
| This is completely dishonest, manipulative, and the only reason someone would act that way is if you're trying to saber-rattle. | ||
| There is no other reason to bring this into a modern conversation about what is happening unless you are trying to sway people into supporting war in Iran. | ||
| In 2016, those U.S. troops that Iran detained, they weren't in international waters. | ||
| They had fucked up their navigation and entered Iranian territory, so they were detained. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| John Kerry called up his Iranian counterpart, talked it out with a little bit of diplomacy, and the sailors were released 15 hours later, unharmed. | ||
| This was a situation where our troops made a little mistake and it was a faux pas that could have easily spiraled into something ugly. | ||
| But because calmer heads were at the helm, everyone was able to talk it over and recognize there was no harm, no foul. | ||
| This will never happen again. | ||
| And foreign policy in America has stayed the course. | ||
| I mean, that's the kind of situation that could easily spiral out of control if people aren't able to discuss things, if people aren't treating each other with respect and understanding that, like, look, I'm sorry, I know that's your water and we're not allowed to be there. | ||
| They made a mistake. | ||
| Their compass was off. | ||
| And I totally get that you detained him, because if you didn't, that would have fucked up our whole mutually assured fight to the death kind of situation. | ||
| So good on you for detaining him. | ||
| We probably would have detained an Iranian boat that came in total waters unannounced. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now it would have been Trump. | ||
| Blow him up! | ||
| Or just yelling something stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except Trump tweeting us into war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or Alex. | ||
| Speculating us towards the public. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| The only thing that I think we have going for us is that there's very few people who probably will be swayed by anything Alex says. | ||
| Yeah, that's nice. | ||
| So even if he saber rattles and tries to get people riled up towards supporting a war, I don't know how much effect he himself will have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's one saving grace. | ||
| What we have working for us is the utter and clear incompetence of the current administration combined with the fact that I'm pretty sure most Americans are like, dude, we've played this song before, man. | ||
| You'd think. | ||
| This is a rehashing of the tune. | ||
| I don't need to hear any more Springsteen in this. | ||
| You would think, but you constantly will be surprised by people's inability to learn from past mistakes. | ||
| Thanks, New York Times! | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex gets pretty extreme, because he starts wargaming it. | ||
| Like, what's going to happen next? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So, let's say that Iran did do this, which he has said he is certain of, and overwhelming evidence. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| So, what happens next? | ||
| Now, let's talk about what comes next. | ||
| What happens if a couple more of these ships get blown up? | ||
| We have a cookout. | ||
| The United States, you can bet your bottom dollar, is going to back a Saudi Arabian attack on Iranian shipping lanes and Iranian military targets, and you'll have a bunch of stealth bombers at 80,000 feet fly over and drop 2,000-pound bombs all over Iran. | ||
| That's a war crime. | ||
| Now, what happens after that? | ||
| Five minutes later, Iranian sleeper cells in every major U.S. city and Shiite sleeper cells in Iran and Shiite sleeper cells in Iraq and Shiite sleeper cells in any other country that backs what Trump does are going to have soft targets hit. | ||
| Truck bombs. | ||
| Poisoning of air conditioning supply systems. | ||
| That's what Iranians specialize in. | ||
| Now tell me the bad news. | ||
| Burning buildings down. | ||
| Oh no, the Iranians aren't going to run around with machine guns and fights with the cops in the streets. | ||
| They're going to drive around in little delivery vehicles. | ||
| The middle of the night. | ||
| Burning your houses down. | ||
| Nerve gassing you. | ||
| That sounds pretty bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sounds like a bad turn of events. | ||
| That doesn't sound good. | ||
| But you might be asking yourself, in all this, what about Antifa? | ||
| That's what I was wondering! | ||
| The entire time! | ||
| You're like, wait a second, Alex. | ||
| You talk about Antifa all the time. | ||
| Are they in the mix? | ||
| I assume so. | ||
| Antifa is only their cutout. | ||
| It's their decoy. | ||
| Their meth head professor type. | ||
| By day, child molester. | ||
| You know, by night, Antifa. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| What? | ||
| They're just decoys that'll get some of the blame when they send Hezbollah and MS-13 hit squads to people's houses. | ||
| Oh, and they'll go after the Senate Majority Leader. | ||
| They'll go after Republicans that think they're safe because the Democrats want decapitation of the U.S. And they're getting ready to make their move with Iran. | ||
| The Democrats are a foreign domestic army. | ||
| Well, that's, I mean, how do you have an election with a foreign domestic army? | ||
| I'll tell you right now, I didn't hear the last part of it. | ||
| I was jamming. | ||
| Smooth grooves taking us out to break while Alex informs us that over half of the country is... | ||
| A foreign invading army. | ||
| I guess they're not all Democrats, but people who don't agree with him are definitely over half the country. | ||
| You know, I always want this question answered, is when somebody says every major city, especially in the context of who Hezbollah... | ||
| I want to know where the line is. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Hezbollah is like, all right, we're going to stop at East St. Louis. | ||
| Does Cedar Rapids count? | ||
| Is that a major city? | ||
| Because I think it is. | ||
| I think Cedar Rapids is fantastic. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, what, is it a population? | ||
| Is it a strategic? | ||
| But what about those states with multiple metropolitan areas? | ||
| Like, what about Pennsylvania? | ||
| Do you just get the big three? | ||
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| Or do you go down to reading? | ||
| How about suburbs? | ||
| Suburbs will just get hit along with the main city. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| What about the twin cities, like Dallas-Fort Worth? | ||
| What about Minneapolis-St. | ||
| Paul? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| A lot of questions. | ||
| Do they consider that the same city? | ||
| Hezbollah hits one, Antifa hits the other. | ||
| That is nice. | ||
| I'm glad that they're splitting it up. | ||
| That's a good plan. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this is all stupid. | ||
| But in this next clip, Alex starts to give shape to his narrative. | ||
| It's starting to come together a little bit, and he's starting to acclimate his audience to what he wants the idea to be. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, I'm your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| And our military can take out the Iranian mullahs very, very quickly. | ||
| Except they have stay-behind networks or terror cells in every major western city. | ||
| Mullahs in April and May all warned that if Trump put sanctions on them, on their Revolutionary Guard that is the government, they are the Praetorian Guard. | ||
| They are the mullahs. | ||
| They are the Shiite aristocracy, the royalty, genetically related to Muhammad. | ||
| They have their Shiite groups everywhere, paramilitary prepared for major terror attacks. | ||
| They bragged they were going to bomb ships. | ||
| And close the Strait of Hormuz in national television announcements. | ||
| They've now done it. | ||
| They've now done it. | ||
| I don't remember them closing the Strait of Hormuz. | ||
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| And I believe that this point here, that clip, is the point where Alex's narrative takes a turn towards genocide. | ||
| All this stuff about the saber-rattling for war with Iran is fucked up and completely opposed to everything Alex has ever pretended to stand for. | ||
| And I have some criticism of that, for sure. | ||
| However, in that clip, what he's presenting is another level of unacceptable. | ||
| See, as he sees it, it would be no big thing for Trump to take out the mullahs in Iran and win the war. | ||
| He kind of sounds exactly like the neocons before heading into Afghanistan and Iraq. | ||
| So it would be easy. | ||
| It would be an easy thing for Trump to go ahead and win that war. | ||
| But there's a problem. | ||
| Iran has secret Hezbollah terror cells in literally every western city that will respond to an attack on Iran by gassing everyone and burning down buildings. | ||
| So I guess what you'd have to do is preemptively lock up all the Iranians just to be safe. | ||
| And just like that, Alex has talked himself into the exact logic that led to one of the more disgraceful chapters in our history when we put Japanese people in camps because we were afraid of them. | ||
| One of the reasons it's so important to respond to things like this in a way that some might criticize me for being overly cautious, I accept that as a criticism, that I'm making a leap in logic, but I think it's important to understand how easy it is for this rhetoric to make that jump. | ||
| If Iran is wantonly attacking us and it would be easy for us to win the war if it weren't for the case that Iranian Hezbollah sleeper cells are in all of our cities, it follows that the solution Alex would propose is rounding up all Iranians in these western cities so their sleeper cells would be neutralized. | ||
| And it's not like we're too far against that considering we're keeping refugees in internment camps now. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Some innocent people would get mixed up in the process, but Alex doesn't give a fuck about that sort of thing. | ||
| Not even a little. | ||
| And here's where it's worse than it sounds. | ||
| Because Alex isn't just talking about Iranians that you should be scared of. | ||
| Dumping nerve gas out at the Capitol. | ||
| That's what they're going to do. | ||
| And there's so many of them here. | ||
| Hope everybody enjoys. | ||
| Because they're not just from Iran, you see. | ||
| 19% of Islam is Shiite. | ||
| And they've got Shiites from every country in the world that have all purposely immigrated. | ||
| To the great Satan, so when the great day of judgment comes and the great war comes, and they think Iran gets nuked during it, that's okay, because they're going to burn all of our cities down. | ||
| Get him off the air. | ||
| Get him off the air. | ||
| That's a crime. | ||
| I know he's not saying that we need to round up Muslims, because if we don't, they're going to blow up our cities whenever we attack Iran or whatever. | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| Yeah, that's fucked up. | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| This is so close to a rationalization for the internment of Muslims, which is something we already kind of know he's in favor of. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's almost like he's using this crisis in order to fit into that already Islamophobic worldview. | ||
| It's almost like a workaround. | ||
| But whatever the case, I mean, it's just, you see what he's doing. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| He wants a white nation. | ||
| Just say it. | ||
| It's so fucked up. | ||
| And what makes it even more fucked up is in this next clip, he fakes concern that things are going to escalate while he is actively escalating. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this could very easily escalate. | ||
| In fact, it probably will. | ||
| You've got burning, sinking ships right now. | ||
| And no one is on the news saying, I land threatened to bomb ships two months ago. | ||
| If we put sanctions on them and they just did it. | ||
| All of the news. | ||
| They admit to it. | ||
| So what he's responding to is like, no one's on the news saying the same bullshit I am because I'm misinterpreting old statements and old articles. | ||
| Right. | ||
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So he's like, why isn't everyone else just fucking making the same mistakes I am? | |
| Because I'm sloppy and I'm biased. | ||
| I really, really want... | ||
| To get these Muslims out of our country. | ||
| And I'm willing to completely misrepresent. | ||
| Why aren't they? | ||
| Why aren't they? | ||
| I turn on CNN and they're not talking about this lie that I have misremembered or am making up. | ||
| They never should have got rid of ales! | ||
| It's insane to me, man. | ||
| It's really insane. | ||
| The idea that he's like, this is probably gonna escalate as if it's like, oh, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Like some sort of thing he's lamenting. | ||
| And then in the same breath being like, Iran admitted to it. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, 90% of people are all gonna die and the globalists are doing it, but that's mainly because Iran has sleeper cells everywhere. | ||
| And they're gonna put chlorine in your AC. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then, blap. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we get away from Iran for a bit, thankfully. | ||
| Take a little break, and we hear a little bit of a story about the Denver City Council. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Then I've got communists all around the country winning office saying they're preparing a violent overthrow and to link up with Iran, MS-13, and others by any means necessary. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I have video of that coming up with the new Denver City Council woman. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yes, you heard me right. | ||
| Pledging the violent overthrow of the United States. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| That's why communists are so dangerous, folks. | ||
| They overthrow, they put you in a forced labor camp, and they call it the people's camp. | ||
| Hope you enjoy. | ||
| This is Alexandria Cortez, part two. | ||
| This woman can actually talk, though. | ||
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Really? | |
| Doesn't look like a demon. | ||
| She just is a demon. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| This is about Candy C. DeBaca, who is not a communist. | ||
| She's a democratic socialist. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| See, they get those mixed up all the time, the hard right. | ||
| It seems like they're almost trying to intentionally paint them in a different light. | ||
| She didn't say anything about a violent overthrow or anything about putting people in camps or about working with Hezbollah. | ||
| There's a clip of her talking about how capitalism is failing and we need to do something. | ||
| and the thing that she believes in is community ownership of land, resources, labor, etc. | ||
| If Alex wants to make a cogent argument against that position, fine, I'll listen to him. | ||
| But as long as his response to anything This is going to lead to gulags? | ||
| I don't have the energy to respond to that dumb shit. | ||
| That being said, as long as Alex is bringing up that Candy wants to put people in camps, it should be pointed out that the Daily Beast reported last week that Trump was planning on housing 1,400 detained immigrant children at Fort Sill in Oklahoma. | ||
| That's pretty shocking and offensive to people, particularly older Japanese Americans, because Fort Sill is one of the camps where they were held during World War II. | ||
| I know that every day brings a new Alex Jones-related horror, and every day there's something new that directly contradicts one of his long-standing positions, but this is profoundly disgusting. | ||
| All he ever did in his career was yell about how the federal government was locking up him and his gun buddies because they were a threat to the New World Order. | ||
| Now we have a federal government locking up children, and he's fucking silent, and when he does say anything, he supports it. | ||
| I remember back when we were covering the 2009 episodes, Alex made a huge deal out of the idea that Obama was reopening a camp where Japanese Americans were held during World War II, and how this was the next step towards gun weirdos being rounded up. | ||
| Back then, Obama was opening that camp as a museum, as a memorial, to remind us what this country did when we let fear overwhelm us. | ||
| Today, that reminder is dead. | ||
| Trump is doing exactly what Alex lied about Obama doing, and Alex doesn't say shit. | ||
| But oh, the democratic socialist who thinks that capitalism is necessarily exploitative. | ||
| She's the one who wants to put you in a camp, not Alex's fucking hero, who's literally doing that right now. | ||
| You know, I was thinking, she must have had a really good platform otherwise for her still to get elected. | ||
| If you're coming outside, I'm bringing in a gulag. | ||
| But also... | ||
| Healthcare for all! | ||
| That's a good platform. | ||
| What kind of overcompensation would you need to do to go around Denver, wandering around for a city council position and be like, now, by the way, knock, knock, knock. | ||
| Oh, hello, citizen. | ||
| I'm going to work with MS-13 and Hezbollah by any means necessary to violently overthrow the country. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Slam. | |
| Now, you haven't heard the last part. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Elevator pitch. | ||
| Also, community gardens. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I think that's the part that's really offensive, is that community gardens, as we've already discussed, are a little bit race-based. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| That's my real issue with it. | ||
| It's all about cauliflower. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I just think this is particularly disgusting. | ||
| Every time we see something where Alex flips on one of his old positions and stuff, it's like, you know... | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| You don't mean anything. | ||
| You're a hypocrite. | ||
| You're just like a real pile of shit. | ||
| But something like this is like, well, I would only know that Alex yelled about Obama opening these camps as museums if I had gone back and listened to all of this. | ||
| And I know what you did, Alex. | ||
| Now you have Trump opening up. | ||
| Or, you know, using these places where Japanese Americans were held to house immigrants that are being detained. | ||
| Like, what is the difference? | ||
| Why would you yell about Obama doing it and not now? | ||
| Why? | ||
| We know why. | ||
| We know why, Alex. | ||
| I think what would be a fascinating thesis is, if you were going for a historical PhD, I would wonder... | ||
| How much of the right wing's characterization of Obama being a horrible dictator who is destroying your lives actually wound up getting the right wing comfortable with their actually being? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| If you've spent the last eight years... | ||
| Because if you think he is already... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just that now he's working on your side. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, that is interesting. | ||
| That's a really interesting idea. | ||
| I think there's probably a bit of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Cool. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex gets on to, you know... | ||
| We heard him drunkenly talk about how each daughter is half her father, and each son is half his mother, and there is no sex. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Drunkenly rambling about that on our last episode. | ||
| Unfortunately, he has now pivoted, and he is strongly against the LGBT community, and how they're a priest class that just wants to kill children. | ||
| Can we get him drunk again? | ||
| We're going to get into something. | ||
| We will. | ||
| That is, quite frankly, horrifying. | ||
| But, ladies and gentlemen, it's got to be covered if we're going to protect the children and future generations in this nation. | ||
| Throughout history, there have been cults that form inside different civilizations during their declines that are obsessed with sex with children and obsessed with sacrificing children. | ||
| You can go to any archaeological site in the world. | ||
| From ancient China to ancient Africa to ancient Europe to ancient Mesoamerica, and you will find a priest class having sex with children at first, and then killing them. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Now, the vehicle used today for all of this is the LGBTQXYZ movement. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I thought it was the bachelorette. | ||
| And at public schools all across the country, children as young as five are being indoctrinated. | ||
| So that's real bad. | ||
| Because if you're saying that, like, these priest classes that have led to the downfall of the Aztecs and the Inca and all sorts of civilizations, the vehicle for exactly that cultural degradation is the LGBTQ community. | ||
| I mean, what are you doing? | ||
| Like, what are you saying? | ||
| I mean, would you, if you were an Aztec back then and had a chance? | ||
| To save Aztec civilization from falling? | ||
| If you knew what to do, just take out that priest class. | ||
| I mean, isn't that kind of implied in there? | ||
| Be a hero for the Western civilization that's going to be destroyed. | ||
| I thought they were too busy playing that one game where everybody had heads. | ||
| They kick the ball and then if you get it in, you die? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I just think, I mean, this is just rank bigotry. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| It's rank bigotry masquerading as historical insight. | ||
| And it's just disgusting. | ||
| I can't think of any group that he's, like, what is he missing at this point? | ||
| I suppose... | ||
| I don't hear him talk too much about, like, East Indians. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, people from India. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't hear him talk too much about that group. | ||
| The Japanese? | ||
| I think he likes them. | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| Australians are racist now, too, so he's probably on their tip. | ||
| Not all Australians. | ||
| You know what I was talking about. | ||
| When Trump and Turnbull got into a little bit of an argument, he had some bad words to say about the Australians. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, I mean, if you take, like, non-white populations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Japanese seem to be pretty okay in his book. | ||
| That's probably because Abe is pretty okay with Trump. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, Abe is playing such a smart game of, like, hey, we're going to weather this fucking storm. | ||
| Let's pretend Trump is a cool dude. | ||
| Everybody be quiet. | ||
| We'll get past it on the other side. | ||
| That might be it. | ||
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Indian people and Japanese. | |
| That might be it. | ||
| Yeah, interesting. | ||
| That's not great when our show grinds to a halt when we try and think of what groups Alex doesn't date. | ||
| That's probably a bad sign. | ||
| Yeah, for him. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex gets into specifics about some of the nefarious things that the LGBTQ community is up to. | ||
| And this one is bunk. | ||
| School district to bus students to gay pride parade. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You don't go to the planetarium or the zoo. | ||
| You get to get out of class and it's encouraged and go to the gay pride parade. | ||
| You ever been to a gay pride parade? | ||
| Yeah, they're great. | ||
| I was downtown a few years ago on Halloween and they had a gay pride parade. | ||
| I was like, what is this? | ||
| It was naked men. | ||
| Are you sure it wasn't a Halloween? | ||
| Some of them having sex with each other. | ||
| When I was walking across the street just to go to a restaurant, I mean, folks, you don't take kids to a gay pride parade. | ||
| We have to cut most of the stuff we film at these out because it can't go out over broadcast television, including scantily glad five- and six-year-old girls and boys twerking their asses to men and women. | ||
| The whole thing is pedophilic. | ||
| So, whatever. | ||
| You're the one making it that. | ||
| First of all, I'm going to guess that Alex's story about seeing gay men having sex is embellished quite a bit. | ||
| I bet he saw two guys kissing and was scarred by it. | ||
| I've been to Pride here in Chicago, which is one of the biggest Pride parades in the country, many times. | ||
| And I've never seen outright public sex during the celebration. | ||
| Do I believe some people might be fucking in alleys? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But there's a lot of cops wandering around. | ||
| It seems like more risk than it's worth. | ||
| Do I believe people might be fucking in alleys at like 1am? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| But that's true in a lot of neighborhoods on any given night. | ||
| It's not like it's a gay or pride thing. | ||
| Drunk people sometimes fuck in alleys. | ||
| It's shocking to encounter, but sometimes you gotta tip your hat and say, carry on, folks. | ||
| Yeah, there have been a couple of times where I walked by it and I was like, do I say like... | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Like, what's the etiquette here? | ||
| You leave him alone. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| And I kept going. | ||
| But there was that brief moment of, like, there's no prepared etiquette for this situation. | ||
| It's not something super common, but I have definitely, yeah, definitely walked past people fucking in alleys. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's not, like, just on Halstead or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Although it is a crime, right? | ||
| I think technically, but if you're cool, it's not. | ||
| Yeah, if you get on the sex offender for peeing in an alley, I'm guessing that fucking an alley is probably no good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the article that Alex is covering is, of course, an InfoWars article. | ||
| It's using an Austin American Statesman article as a jump-off point to complain that the Austin Independent School District is using some funds to, quote, boost student involvement and pride. | ||
| The Statesman article does bring that up, but it's a much broader story than Alex is really interested in. | ||
| What it comes down to is that the school district rents out some of its properties to churches who hold their services there. | ||
| It's a really common thing in a lot of parts of the country, and honestly, I don't think that's even really a big deal. | ||
| The comedy club in Columbia, Missouri, that I used to perform at, rented out their space to a church on Sundays to make ends meet, and I think it's the sort of thing that could be a really mutually beneficial agreement and arrangement in a lot of cases. | ||
| I do support the separation of comedy and state. | ||
| In this case, however, one of the churches who rented out the Performing Arts Center in Austin was a church called the Celebration Church, which preached a pretty anti-LGBTQ version of the faith. | ||
| They liken homosexuality to bestiality, inasmuch as they're abominations that God has forbidden. | ||
| Naturally, LGBTQ activists were not super thrilled at this church renting out school district space and protested them to be disallowed the space. | ||
| The Texas Attorney General pointed out that it would be against the First Amendment for the school district, a government entity, to discriminate against the church based on their religion, so it would be a very complicated thing for the district to stop renting the space to them, but still rent space to other people. | ||
| In an attempt to find a solution everyone can live with, LGBTQ advocates suggested that the church, if it was going to remain able to use school district space, then some of that money raised should be redirected towards initiatives that supported LGBTQ students and staff. | ||
| The school board said, oh yeah, for sure, that's a great solution. | ||
| So here's why it is a great solution. | ||
| Since September, the school district has raised $182,000 from renting out their spaces, and they're setting aside $10,000 for LGBTQ spaces. | ||
| It's really a win-win solution for everyone, including the Celebration Church. | ||
| Everybody wins. | ||
| Nothing in this story mentions anything about the ages of the students involved in being bused to Pride or any of that stuff. | ||
| Austin Independent School District includes schools covering pre-K to high school, so it could just be high schoolers. | ||
| But because it's a school district, even if it's anybody, they can't do shit without parental permission slips. | ||
| In the case of younger students, their parents probably have to come along with them. | ||
| It's not like you're luring 4th graders, 10-year-olds to Pride on their own without parental permission. | ||
| Guardians. | ||
| And part of that $10,000 is protection. | ||
| It's like, you know, you can't take kids to the St. Patrick's Day parade for a school thing without chaperones and security. | ||
| Yeah, for his entire, like for his examples, you cannot take kids to the zoo without parental permission. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| There's nothing suspicious or weird here. | ||
| This is an Austin school district realizing that they made money off renting out a space to a group that's offensive to the LGBTQ community, but is also a group they can't kick out without causing a huge legal battle. | ||
| So they decided to make a symbolic gesture of support to make it easier for students and staff to participate in pride. | ||
| If anything, the headline here is Austin ISD has good intentions, it doesn't do enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's probably the fitting answer. | |
| Celebration Church ironically donates money to... | ||
| LGBTQ causes. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| This is a lot of bullshit. | ||
| But you gotta take what you can get if you're Alex. | ||
| You gotta work with what you have. | ||
| And what Alex does have is a gift for impressions. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| I think I might have been a little bit... | ||
| Capricious, earlier, saying Alex doesn't do anything against Indians, because I think he might do an Indian impression. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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No. | |
| He does some racist accent work, and I know that Asian is in the mix. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I think he might hit Indian, too, on the way. | ||
| Are we talking pan-Asian? | ||
| Like, just put it all in there. | ||
| I think it's China. | ||
| We got China, we got India, we got... | ||
| You know that he's more of a shotgun when it comes to racist impressions than a sniper rifle. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| It's hard to pinpoint exactly what he's doing. | ||
| But I know it's not. | ||
| You will like the quality content now. | ||
| It is good. | ||
| It's a joke. | ||
| You're like, it's politically incorrect to do an Indian accent. | ||
| I love Indians that are patriots. | ||
| But I make fun of everybody and I'm going to do it because we're not going to follow your politically correct rules anymore. | ||
| You got it? | ||
| I'll talk like Yosemite Sam. | ||
| Or I'll talk like this, like Sandor, if I want to. | ||
| Or I'll talk like... | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| Man, the PC police coming down on people who do clunky, hacky racism. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, it's odd. | ||
| He could have not said, I'm not being offensive to Indians, because I would not have known. | ||
| I have no idea what accent he was trying to do, and then he said it was Indian, and I was like, that's just a bad accent, and you're racist. | ||
| Yeah, and defensive about it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There's a lot of defensiveness on his part in the present day. | ||
| So, whatever, we'll leave that aside. | ||
| That was just a little bit of... | ||
| I don't, look, I mean, look, okay, so if I did something offensive and I was really bad at it, I wouldn't insist on continuing to do it just because people were offended by it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would need to be fucking great at it. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Alex is so insistent on being able to continue to do something he's just the worst at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These fucking impressions are terrible. | ||
| I would understand if he had, like, Adomian-level skills. | ||
| Like, if he was a mimic, and he was like, why won't people let me practice my craft? | ||
| I know it's offensive, but come on! | ||
| Man of a thousand voices is what they call Alex Jones. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| So, this next clip, Alex is desperate for funds, and he's doing a plug, but we join him in media res. | ||
| We join him in the middle of the plug, as opposed to being caught off guard by the pivot, because he pivots to something else. | ||
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| This is undoubtedly the best deal we've ever offered. | ||
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| We need to move this stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's amazing, and I promise I'm only running it until next Friday because we think we'll probably sell half of our Ultra 12. We won't get more in for three, four months, and I want to be able to keep it at regular price until that point. | ||
| So thank you all who bought Ultra 12. Thank you. | ||
| But here's other people's chances to get it for free. | ||
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| Okay, let's shift gears to Bob Barnes. | ||
| I appreciate him holding 15 minutes. | ||
| I got behind today. | ||
| It got compounded. | ||
| I wanted to get you on yesterday. | ||
| Robert Barnes is back. | ||
| Fucking Barnes is back. | ||
| His fucking lawyer is on every day. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| They have a really pointless conversation, and he's on the phone. | ||
| The audio's terrible, so we don't need to listen to it. | ||
| Wouldn't it be funny if Kohl's sent you those coupons, but also explained and really detailed why they're sending it? | ||
| All right, so these shirts are 50% off, because we're not sure if we're going to get the other shirts back in stock for another three or four months. | ||
| So go ahead and take advantage of our poor planet. | ||
| Hey, Kohl's, I've got to ask you to cool it. | ||
| Just say 50% off. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I don't need to know why. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Also... | ||
| I think you might do better if you exuded an air of confidence. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't say, like, shit's bad, so this is 50% off and you get something else with it. | ||
| Three bottles for the price of one. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| I remember there being an entire play and movie about how being desperate and a sad sack does not help you sell things. | ||
| There might be multiple. | ||
| So here's the last clip from the 13th, and Alex seems to be a little bit defensive about what he's decided is the case with Iran. | ||
| Everywhere in the news, and we're getting calls, and we're getting messages, and people are like, why are you saying you think Iran did it? | ||
| You know, you're the false flag guy. | ||
| No, I always just question, could this be staged? | ||
| Because I have a stack of historical documents where we and others have staged attacks on ships to get us into Vietnam, to get us into World War I, to get us into the Spanish-American War. | ||
| But that doesn't mean this is staged, because the mullah said, you cut off our money two months ago, we're going to blow up ships in the Strait of Hormuz. | ||
| They did it! | ||
| Now, of course, they're denying it because they want us to strike first. | ||
| But when you say you're going to do something and then you do it, the Pentagon says, we believe they're about to do it a week ago and it happens. | ||
| I tend to side with the Pentagon on this because you're not like the whole Pentagon's back. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Wow, Alex sides with the Pentagon. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Also, by the way, low-key, completely forgot about Ebola being in the country. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Iran's doing something. | ||
| Ebola is next week. | ||
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Right. | |
| So leaving aside the fact that Alex is misrepresenting what Iran said that they would do in response to sanctions and labeling their armed forces a terrorist organization, Alex Jones has really just accidentally backed himself into a corner that, if he's not careful, this is going to undo most of his career. | ||
| If you're listening to his justification for why he believes that this was a real attack and not a false flag, it all boils down to the fact that Iran said they were going to do X action, then X action happened. | ||
| That's all good and well, and generally speaking, what he's talking about is a threat. | ||
| If someone threatens to do something and then that thing happens, it's generally a good idea to start your investigation by checking on the person who made that threat. | ||
| But Alex isn't starting his investigation there. | ||
| He's ending his investigation there. | ||
| They said they were going to do it, therefore it's not a false flag. | ||
| If you apply that logic to the broader spectrum of the things Alex has covered in his career, literally everything falls apart. | ||
| One of the biggest career-making issues for him was the argument that 9/11 was a false flag, but if you use this investigative technique that he's currently using about Iran, he should have immediately come to the conclusion that bin Laden had carried out that attack. | ||
| No, there's no prior history of him literally threatening that exact same building. | ||
| In April 2001, Ahmad Shah Musad of the Northern Alliance warned that a large-scale attack was being planned by al-Qaeda. | ||
| By August 6th, that information had made it as far as the presidential daily intel briefing that the headline bin Laden determined to strike in US. | ||
| Al Qaeda had made their intentions clear before the attack. | ||
| Then the attack happened. | ||
| By Alex's estimation, that means it is not a false flag. | ||
| Alex Jones believes that Timothy McVeigh was set up and the Oklahoma City bombing was a false flag meant to demonize the Patriots. | ||
| But tons of people have testified to the fact that Timothy McVeigh was going around discussing his plans before the bombing. | ||
| And he'd even written two threatening letters to the ATF before putting his plans into action. | ||
| By Alex's current metrics, Timothy McVeigh threatened to bomb a federal building. | ||
| Then a federal building he happened to be right near got bombed. | ||
| That's not a false flag either. | ||
| Yeah, but the Pentagon didn't weigh in on this one. | ||
| He's trusting the Pentagon here. | ||
| I could go on and on with how slippery the way Alex is behaving is, but I think you get the point. | ||
| If all it takes for Alex to be satisfied that an attack on a ship in the Gulf of Oman is not a false flag, and Iran definitely did it, is his impression that they said they were going to do something like this, then his process is completely shattered. | ||
| I know that I've been bringing this up a lot, but I think it's essential to understand. | ||
| Accusations of false flags are almost never sincere. | ||
| False flag has become a rhetorical weapon. | ||
| Accusations of false flags. | ||
| It's a weapon that can be wielded, both offensively and defensively. | ||
| Obviously, we know that Alex uses it-was-staged type arguments to deny that people like him could possibly ever commit a crime. | ||
| But the alternative, this one wasn't staged, is used as an offensive weapon against people Alex wants targeted. | ||
| Anytime a Muslim or immigrant hurts somebody, that's definitely not a false flag, because Alex wants his audience to fear and hate those people. | ||
| So, their crimes are all definitely real. | ||
| They definitely happened. | ||
| In this case with Iran, Alex's meal ticket, Trump wants to attack Iran, so he knows that he needs to find a way to fall in line with that, and this is probably his best bet as a justification. | ||
| It was a false flag is not a good argument. | ||
| It's not something that you can just kind of feel out. | ||
| It's not something that you can determine for one or two coincidental details. | ||
| That shows a deep disrespect for reality and research. | ||
| False flags definitely do exist, but my sense is that they're exceedingly rare. | ||
| And it's not just an explanation for everything that's inconvenient for your worldview. | ||
| The mythology of the false flag is something that allows a certain subset of bad thinkers and bad actors to hijack reality. | ||
| They latch on to the fact that, yes, some false flags have existed in the history of the world and extrapolate that out to imply that it means that everything is possibly fake. | ||
| Once you internalize that idea, events are no longer events. | ||
| They're pieces of a story that's being told, and everything needs to fit with that story that you believe is being told. | ||
| Alex believes the government is evil and militia patriots are always good. | ||
| So when Timothy McVeigh blows up the Murrah building, it's imperative to find a way to make what happened fit the story you're already telling. | ||
| This event is too threatening to the narrative, so you rewrite it as in being a patsy. | ||
| And before you know it, everything fits. | ||
| You have now made the story fit. | ||
| The government looks even more evil, and the militia patriots look even more good. | ||
| This is all false flags mean to Alex. | ||
| They're a crutch that he uses to hobble his broken-down narratives along, but they're a crutch that's packaged in the sexiest of wrapping paper. | ||
| The wrapping paper that just says, what if, over and over and over and over again. | ||
| So what I'm saying is this. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| Be skeptical of things, obviously. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Be skeptical. | ||
| Ask the questions that you want answers to, but for your sake and the sake of public sanity, don't start out from a position of thinking most things are probably fake and then trying to work backwards and try and justify your suspicions. | ||
| That is the psychosis that Alex discussed having in those Sandy Hook depositions that everyone took out of context. | ||
| But that is what leads to that kind of trap. | ||
| The longer and longer we do this and the more I read and the more I understand things, the more it just becomes clear that this is not a sincere belief system. | ||
| It's not a sincere worldview. | ||
| It's a tactical... | ||
| And I don't know how conscious that is on Alex's part. | ||
| I think there may be a piece of it that is. | ||
| But I think it might just be he's done it for so long it's ingrained in me. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| I was thinking it's more reflexive at this point than anything else. | ||
| It's muscle memory. | ||
| Yeah, and I even think that there's a... | ||
| Which is why he had to think so hard. | ||
| He had to fight so hard to say that this one is guaranteed. | ||
| Admittedly, it took 45 minutes. | ||
| And it was much more pained than I presented it. | ||
| I mean, not like struggling pain, but just like... | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think to a certain extent, he probably was trained along these lines, too. | ||
| Not like he went to a school. | ||
| But his predecessors, the people who were his intellectual ancestors, they probably functioned along the same lines. | ||
| So if he's reading these terribly written pieces of anti-communist propaganda, you internalize these justifications and these bad arguments. | ||
| And so I don't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's probably just the mindset that he got into from a really young age and never grew out of. | ||
| And then with 9-11 seems like a real outlier because it doesn't really make sense in terms of this. | ||
| The path of white apologia, white terrorism, apologism, and demonizing groups he doesn't like. | ||
| You could say that it's demonizing Bush and the neocons. | ||
| You could make that argument, and I think there's a possibility there. | ||
| But I think the reason for the outlier is he idolized Bill Cooper, and he was ripping off Bill Cooper, and he just ran with it. | ||
| I think that that one makes sense if you look at it as an isolated case within a trend. | ||
| You can see how, even though it doesn't fit, it still fits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, at the same time, you could just see it as such a large event that in the immediate aftermath, nobody quite knew how to process it. | ||
| So he might have just... | ||
| Tripped onto that one because of a certain amount of shock. | ||
| Well, I would say that he predicted 9-11 because he was ripping off Bill Cooper. | ||
| And then when it did happen, of course you're going to run with it. | ||
| So I think that it makes sense. | ||
| His behavior after the fact makes sense. | ||
| I forgot that he theoretically predicted 9-11. | ||
| Well, I mean, after it happens, you're like, holy shit, I'm on record saying this is going to happen. | ||
| How do you not try and make the most out of it? | ||
| And I think the predicting it is obviously a ripping off of Bill Cooper, who he idolized. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it still fits. | ||
| I think the broad picture of using false flags as a rhetorical weapon, both offensively and defensively, to protect your worldview and the narratives that you wish to tell, I think it makes total sense. | ||
| 9-11, slight outlier, but that's why I think it still fits. | ||
| So we get done with the 13th, and Alex is left with a very clear perspective that Iran did this shit. | ||
| What's going to happen is Trump's going to bomb them and then we're all fucked. | ||
| Yeah, yeah! | ||
| Because Hezbollah is coming. | ||
| I mean, it does seem like even if Iran didn't do this shit, Trump's going to bomb them and we're all fucked, so... | ||
| His analysis may not be that far off. | ||
| It could be the wrong reasons. | ||
| His analysis is always off. | ||
| Don't play games. | ||
| So he goes home, I guess. | ||
| He at least gets off air. | ||
| And I think what happened is they got a bunch of calls from people who were like, What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| Because as soon as he gets back on air on the 14th, his tune is a little different. | ||
| I want to get into the latest on the sinking of the ships and the push for full war with Iran that would probably lead to a wider regional war and possibly a new world war. | ||
| There are just unbelievable developments on that front. | ||
| And I am normally able to suss out who's behind what. | ||
| But this is really cloudy and really foggy for me. | ||
| He's like, oh, I gotta take a step back. | ||
| I'm gonna get over here and I'm gonna stand on this fence. | ||
| I'm not gonna jump. | ||
| I was over this part. | ||
| I was hanging out with these sheep. | ||
| Now I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna stand on this fence. | ||
| They say you can't go home again. | ||
| You can. | ||
| You can. | ||
| I am going back to I don't know what's going on. | ||
| Now, granted, yesterday I said Iran admitted to this repeatedly. | ||
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100%. | |
| I had evidence of the Ayatollah saying they're gonna blow up. | ||
| Boats in the Strait of Hormuz. | ||
| I mean, if you had that the day before, what possibly could shake your confidence the next day? | ||
| Because those articles still exist on the 14th. | ||
| Ah, they could be wrong. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Such stupid shit. | ||
| Such backtracking nonsense. | ||
| This show actually is super interesting in terms of what he does with the Iran narrative. | ||
| It's so demonstrative of how stupid he is and how bad he is at this job. | ||
| We'll talk about it. | ||
| But first, now that Alex has waffled a little bit, folded like a taco, he now gets off the Iran picture and gets back to justifying... | ||
| That boats were false flags in the past. | ||
| And I told you we'd get a little bit more into the USS Liberty, and that's because he brings it back up here, and we specifically find out where he got some of this information from. | ||
| Israel pulled a false flag. | ||
| I mean, they've had their own pilots go public against the USS Liberty with LBJ's blessing. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| That was really a U.S. government false flag, but using Israel as the intermediary to do it. | ||
| The dumbass white supremacists always say that I'm covering up for Israel by saying LBJ was involved. | ||
| I'm reporting history. | ||
| Just because LBJ's involved doesn't mean Israel's okay in that case, that government. | ||
| The logic is just incredible. | ||
| I had Admiral Moore, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on before he died, two weeks before he died. | ||
| He had heart failure. | ||
| His brain was all there. | ||
| He laid it all out on air. | ||
| And then I killed him. | ||
| I got him on via Newsmax. | ||
| I don't know why he has to do that long pause and say, I got him on by Newsmax. | ||
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I have no idea. | |
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Newsmax is going to be mad if I don't credit them for this interview 16 years after the fact. | ||
| So many superfluous details that he gives. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's upsetting to hear that Alex is basing his perception that the USS Liberty is sinking. | ||
| It was a false flag. | ||
| It's based on an interview he did with Admiral Thomas More. | ||
| You really hate to hear something like this. | ||
| For one thing, Thomas More is literally the commander-in-chief of the Pacific Fleet at the time of the Gulf of Tonkin incident. | ||
| So if Alex is going to argue that that incident was a false flag, More was absolutely the person who was working it behind the scenes. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Commander-in-chief of the fucking Pacific Fleet during the Gulf of Tonkin. | ||
| Yeah, that seems like he would have at least a say in things. | ||
| You know what's up. | ||
| The fact that he was in that position at that time, the fact that he was the chief of naval operations for most of the Vietnam War, all of it should really put him squarely in the box of villains in Alex's world. | ||
| But weirdly, he's not. | ||
| You know, he could be used by Alex to reference about how the USS Liberty was a false flag, but mysteriously doesn't seem to have anything to say about the Gulf of Tonkin. | ||
| Seems odd. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Thomas Moore was the former head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1970 to 1974, and he has a resume full of impressive titles on paper. | ||
| However, if Alex interviewed him right before he died, he would have been 91 years old. | ||
| And even assuming his brain was all there, the best-case scenario for someone in failing health who was born in 1912 is generally not so great. | ||
| At the time of the USS Liberty attack, Moorer was just beginning his three-year stint as the Chief of Naval Operations after having already served 34 years in the services. | ||
| It was three years past the Gulf of Tonkin incident at that point. | ||
| He had been a pilot in World War II, and he had received a Purple Heart as the result of his plane being shot down by a Japanese attack. | ||
| He survived the crash and was rescued by an Australian ship, which was then sunk by the Japanese. | ||
| As he tried to survive in a lifeboat, he was being shot at in the water. | ||
| Later in life, he had testified before Congress about the need to provide troops with adequate machinery, since the cause of his crash was that a bullet hit the unarmored fuel tank in his plane. | ||
| He replied to suggestions that providing extra protection was a waste of money, saying, that perspective, quote, is great until you're in the sea and someone is shooting at you. | ||
| You've got a different view. | ||
| Which is a fair point. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I would say so. | ||
| Can't really argue. | ||
| Now, this is very interesting, because this is a piece of Moore's personal life story that matches the story that's told by conspiracy theorists about the sinking of the USS Liberty that they claim proves that it was a deliberate, prolonged attack. | ||
| They say that the Israeli forces were shooting at the crew as they tried to leave the ship on lifeboats, which is matching Thomas Moore's life. | ||
| The problem is that the investigations and sworn testimony of the crew and the survivors of the Liberty and all of that, that sort of thing isn't mentioned once. | ||
| In fact, Captain McGonagall testified that he had ordered some crew members who were lowering lifeboats into the water to stop, not because they would end up getting shot at, but because there was no danger that the boat would sink. | ||
| Yeah, and all he did was take five points away from Gryffindor. | ||
| What? | ||
| McGonagall? | ||
| McGonagall. | ||
| McGonagall. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was a good Harry Potter reference. | ||
| I don't know Harry Potter. | ||
| It'll be... | ||
| I'm a muggle. | ||
| Look, the history will bear it up. | ||
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| So none of the accusations of shooting at lifeboats are found in the sworn testimony of the survivors or the investigations about the event. | ||
| They only begin to pop up later when some of the crew members begin making media appearances and start directly contradicting their prior sworn statements. | ||
| It would probably be impossible to prove this, but some might say that this change in perspective might be the product of anti-Zionist sentiment becoming much more popular in the United States through the 70s and 80s, with the term Zionist-Occupied Government, or Zog, being coined by neo-Nazi Eric Thompson in 1976. | ||
| Two years later, the term would be featured in William Luther Pierce's book, The Turner Diaries, which would go on to inspire countless white supremacists and anti-Semites, including Timothy McVeigh. | ||
| The book also inspired the white supremacist outlaw group The Order, who helped bring the term to a much wider audience in 1984 when members of the group murdered prominent Jewish radio host Alan Berg. | ||
| In the late 70s and early 80s, the sentiment that Israel controlled the U.S. government began to creep out of the sewer of just plain old white supremacist groups into slightly more mainstream consciousness, and as it grew, it sought justification. | ||
| The attack on the USS Liberty is a prime example of an event that was recast to fit the mold of a U.S. government bending over backwards to allow Israel to attack us, then going out of our way to cover it up for them so no one finds out that the government is really a zog. | ||
| The subsequent investigations of the Liberty event have found that it was a mistake, and a series of miscommunications were responsible for how things played out. | ||
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Well, all investigations except one. | |
| That was an unsanctioned investigation headed by Thomas More in 2003. | ||
| Great, great, great. | ||
| Cool, cool, cool, cool. | ||
| When he was 90 years old. | ||
| Hey, good guy. | ||
| Right on time. | ||
| His findings have been roundly criticized by people who have reviewed the court records and transcripts of communications from that day back in 1967 as being in opposition with the facts. | ||
| And from everything I can tell, they're not wrong. | ||
| His investigation was shit. | ||
| More is said to have remarked, quote, I've never seen a president. | ||
| I don't care who he is. | ||
| Stand up to them. | ||
| It boggles the mind. | ||
| They always get what they want. | ||
| The Israelis know what's going on all the time. | ||
| If the American people understood what a grip these people have on our government, They would rise up in arms. | ||
| Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on. | ||
| Huh. | ||
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True. | |
| And based on my research, I'm not even 100% convinced it's a real quote. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I mention it to illustrate how more is used by people. | ||
| Particularly anti-Semites to reinforce their argument that we live in a country with a Zionist-occupied government. | ||
| This is what his place in culture is. | ||
| Whether or not he deserves it. | ||
| He was 90 years old. | ||
| He was on some of that tip for a while before that investigation. | ||
| It's not like he wasn't still spearheading a lot of this USS Liberty shit. | ||
| Also, the next sentence after that was, Zionist-operated government, they're controlling everything. | ||
| Also, 16 cats are on the city council of Denver, so who knows? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I don't know what his full intentions were in his life, or if it's just something where he's been co-opted by these anti-Semites and real fuckheads, but whatever the case, he is someone who is a big figure in justifying their worldview. | ||
| Also, Moore is apparently a bit of a racist. | ||
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| He once said the idea of Cuban immigrants coming into Miami, quote, people are not going to hire little blacks when Cubans will work. | ||
| They won't be sassy, they'll work twice as long, and they'll take a bath at least once a week. | ||
| Yeesh. | ||
| I don't know how you can, in one sentence... | ||
| Set off a thunderstorm in my brain of like, who is he more racist at in this sentence? | ||
| I think it's the black people. | ||
| I think it's black people. | ||
| Oh, it's definitely black people, but still there's a question there. | ||
| He also wrote a memoir where he included, quote, if you're going to be an American, you've got to be an American. | ||
| If you want to be a Greek, go to Greece. | ||
| If you want to be a black, go to Africa. | ||
| Boy. | ||
| What I'm getting at is that if someone presented me with some sort of evidence that Admiral Moore was a huge anti-Semite and that was motivating his conspiracy theories about the U.S. liberty, I don't think I would be surprised. | ||
| I don't have that evidence, and I'm not going to say that that's the case. | ||
| But I don't think that his record is great. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| So a lot of this information that Alex is getting about the USS Liberty being fake is coming from this guy who, you know, his personal life story is a piece of what's co-opted and put into the story of the USS Liberty attack that doesn't match up with the historical record of it, which I find very suspicious. | ||
| I think that that is something that's pretty tough to get around. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't help whenever your evidence is fake. | ||
| Or when your conspiracy theory about this thing that doesn't match up with history mirrors your life. | ||
| Why is that the case? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's convenient. | ||
| It's kind of leaving a little bit of a fingerprint. | ||
| Yeah, it's a little bit like William Barr being nominated to be Attorney General. | ||
| Fingerprints. | ||
| Or being appointed to Attorney General. | ||
| Fingerprints! | ||
| Kind of seems like he had one job to do. | ||
| So now we get a very weird little bit of information about what's going on in studio here on June 14th. | ||
| This clip really confused me. | ||
| And I literally have a French news crew here that hates my guts. | ||
| Bonjour! | ||
| Because I talk about their precious little Muslims. | ||
| That's why are they here. | ||
| I agreed with somebody else to let them come and they said it was about something else and now they're here on another subject. | ||
| It's just God help me. | ||
| God help me. | ||
| It just never ends, man. | ||
| He sounds like someone on a sitcom whose in-laws are in town. | ||
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| What is that? | ||
| I fucking accidentally agreed to let him be. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| And they've got to hear him, right? | ||
| They've got to be like, he's on air talking about hating us. | ||
| I think he assumes that they don't speak English. | ||
| I genuinely think that he does. | ||
| Alex, Alex, what are you doing hiding in the crawlspace? | ||
| My mother-in-law is in town. | ||
| And she's French. | ||
| So we get this, Alex is teasing a big story about flagrant tyranny that's coming up. | ||
| And man, this is pretty extreme, the story he's going to be telling. | ||
| And this next story that I'm going to wait until the next segment to cover is of the greatest import. | ||
| It's so flagrant. | ||
| It's so giant. | ||
| It's so unmistakably the pure McCoy, the real bonafide classical nightmare vision of tyranny. | ||
| Give us eight more adjectives. | ||
| And it's just openly announced to shareholders and openly announced to the world like they're talking about having a cup of tea. | ||
| And that's how it works, isn't it? | ||
| Oh, there's a wonderful new right. | ||
| We're going to teach your five-year-olds how great it is to have their genitals chopped off. | ||
| And if they don't want them chopped off, we're going to do it. | ||
| Oh, how wonderful. | ||
| We're going to ship in... | ||
| Tons every day of weaponized opium that kills most people that take it. | ||
| Okay, liberal. | ||
| Oh, we're going to... | ||
| When I get to this, it's a culmination of everything we knew that was coming. | ||
| And it's so thoroughbred tyranny. | ||
| It's so written in the announcement just like we knew it would in our nightmares. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| And they just do it. | ||
| Now, I'm going to stop right there, as I always do, and I'm going to be very clear about where the world works. | ||
| You notice everything's going to podcast. | ||
| Hell, I was doing podcasts 15 years ago when they first came out. | ||
| But we're on terrestrial radio and TV, so we still have the breaks. | ||
| But everybody knows that people tune out of the breaks. | ||
| So all the real sponsorship goes on during the live show. | ||
| And I have the least amount of plugging of any talk show host out there. | ||
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| Come on. | ||
| Wait, is he talking about embedded sponsorship? | ||
| That's his tyranny? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That's how the world works. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He's getting to that after the break. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| The thoroughbred tyranny. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Does he get to it after the break? | ||
| Kind of, yeah. | ||
| He does. | ||
| It's Facebook's listening to you or something like that. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Whatever, man. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| That was 30 minutes of... | ||
| It's not new. | ||
| Yeah, but man, that's a defensive fucking plug. | ||
| Hey, look, I know we got commercials. | ||
| No one listens to commercials. | ||
| That's why I do shit on air. | ||
| And I do less than anybody. | ||
| I admit that I don't listen to a ton of other radio shows, but I can't imagine anyone doing more than him. | ||
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It's insane. | |
| It's distracting, the level of shittiness. | ||
| And it's about the method, too. | ||
| If he did these ads and separated them somehow from the content, it would be much more palatable. | ||
| It's really, really fucked up, the way he does it. | ||
| He's even doing it here, like the thoroughbred tyranny. | ||
| We all knew this was coming, and after the break, I'm going to tell you about it, but hey, we need your money. | ||
| It's manipulative. | ||
| It's advertising. | ||
| Technique that's shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's like if you were watching the Home Shopping Network at 2 a.m. and they're like, we have these amazing knives for you. | ||
| They will chop anything. | ||
| Just so you know, the government is going to come and find all of your knives, take them away from you and destroy them unless you buy this knife right now to protect yourself. | ||
| There's some similarities. | ||
| Well, that's not good. | ||
| And we're going to put it on a clock. | ||
| I mean, Billy Mays and those dudes are pretty unethical in terms of their salesmanship, but even they probably wouldn't do that. | ||
| There they might. | ||
| Anyway, this news is so huge that Alex is going to have to co-opt to the fourth hour. | ||
| And someone's getting the bump. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're going to have Dr. Nick Baggage. | ||
| You know, his dad was a famous congressman who actually got the lands of Alaska signed over to the people, so they killed him. | ||
| His brother was a U.S. senator. | ||
| He's kind of dialed in. | ||
| He normally hosts Friday's fourth hour. | ||
| We're preempting 30 minutes of him because we've had an attempt to criminally set up InfoWars. | ||
| And we have the proof. | ||
| And I've had my lawyer fly down here, quick notice, from Connecticut to tell you about this because I want you to know the stakes and what the system is willing to do. | ||
| To take this operation down, because they know, folks, this is the real deal. | ||
| So I thought that this was the news. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought this was the unbridled thoroughbred tyranny news. | ||
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| It's a completely different thing. | ||
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| Which we'll get to. | ||
| This is not the tyranny news. | ||
| I thought, like, oh, great, you've got this massive, the culmination of all the things that we, you know, Nick Baggich has got to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get bent, Baggich. | ||
| Angels will go play your harp. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I thought that was the case, but it's not. | ||
| It's two separate pieces of information. | ||
| And here's the first one, which is the actual tyranny news. | ||
| It's basically that Facebook is watching you, and then if you say racial slurs, they'll sue you for breach of service or something like that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't even believe that's the case, but whatever. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Folks, this is like 500 times worse than 1984. | ||
| This isn't science fiction. | ||
| This is scientific dystopia now. | ||
| AI! | ||
| Watching, listening to you in real time in your house. | ||
| And they introduced it a month and a half ago, saying, we'll use Alex Jones as the first hate figure, and then we can use it as a stick to tell all the other people, you better watch what you do. | ||
| Because we've got everybody else's devices under our control. | ||
| We've got everybody else's cameras. | ||
| You go, well, how does anybody? | ||
| It's computers. | ||
| It's AI. | ||
| It's portal in your house. | ||
| And it's building a politically correct database on you to threaten your banking, your job. | ||
| But don't worry. | ||
| They say they're going to give you an opportunity. | ||
| We've already been through these beta tests. | ||
| We had Facebook, Twitter, YouTube all call us. | ||
| We recorded it. | ||
| Our crew says small. | ||
| We've never put it out. | ||
| We're going to put it out soon. | ||
| He's been saying that for fucking ever. | ||
| He's been saying that we're going to put it out. | ||
| We're going to put it out. | ||
| We recorded them calling us and telling us what he's about to say. | ||
| I don't believe that for a fucking second. | ||
| No matter how small your crew is, if you have proof that Facebook called you and told you what he's about to say, you put that out immediately. | ||
| I don't care if it's like, ah, Texas is a two-party state recording laws. | ||
| You put this out. | ||
| You're Alex Jones. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| You know how I know that if he had this, he would have put it out? | ||
| He's outed sources on air before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like he said, ah, you know, look, Don Jr. | ||
| It was Donald Trump Jr. | ||
| I didn't mean to tell you. | ||
| He has no interest in protecting any kind of journalistic decorum. | ||
| No. | ||
| Anything like that. | ||
| Because he's not a journalist. | ||
| If he had this information, it would be everywhere. | ||
| We'll even tell these zombies, hey, we're recording this. | ||
| They don't even listen to you. | ||
| We've got hours of it. | ||
| We just want you to stop talking bad about Islam and the trannies. | ||
| Don't say that word. | ||
| It's good for children. | ||
| You agree? | ||
| It's always like some foreigner. | ||
| Just say tranny good. | ||
| We let you big on Facebook. | ||
| Tranny good for baby butt. | ||
| And you're going, uh-huh. | ||
| And you're like, doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. | ||
| And now they're announcing, we're watching you, and you're going to lose your job and have your bank account taken if you don't do what we say. | ||
| When we come back, we'll go over what you're supposed to do. | ||
| The number one thing to get a bunch of bonus credits will be chopping your son's testicles. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| We're taking a bunch of vaccines. | ||
| We're eating GMO. | ||
| I can't tell how much him saying I'm serious twice is an indication that he's joking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he thinks he's being funny with that. | ||
| Again, I think he's trying to do an Indian voice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought that was more Chinese. | ||
| Oh, I thought alien. | ||
| I thought space alien. | ||
| I thought that was more Mandarin that he was going for. | ||
| That's, again, indicative of how bad this work is. | ||
| Also, by the way... | ||
| If you did say that and you didn't own your own business, you would be fired and your bank account would be ruined. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yes, there is a reason that you can't say that. | ||
| So, I mean, I can't tell how much of it is what he thinks is being funny, because obviously there's embellishing of the call with his transphobic riffing that he does. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I just don't believe any of this. | ||
| I mean, I don't believe any of it, but what I can't tell is how much he's signaling he's trying to be funny. | ||
| People with a really bad, stupid sense of humor, do they think that's funny? | ||
| I hope not. | ||
| I can't tell. | ||
| I'm honestly at the point where I can't tell. | ||
| And this next clip really was where I struggled. | ||
| I can't tell if he's joking or not. | ||
| So this one is up in the air? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's hilarious. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But I can't tell if he's being intentionally funny or not. | ||
| This is so fucking... | ||
| If he's being serious, this is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. | ||
| If he's trying to be funny, I tip my hat to him, but there's no indication that he's... | ||
| You'll see. | ||
| They target nerds. | ||
| They target artistic. | ||
| They target Asperger's. | ||
| That's been declassified. | ||
| You get off the bus from high school to college. | ||
| You're scared. | ||
| They come and they say, the KKK is on campus. | ||
| They're doing cross burnings tonight. | ||
| Come to our event. | ||
| They give you a hit of X. They have a girl suck on your ding-dong. | ||
| This is how it works at college. | ||
| And then you're inducted into a leftist cult. | ||
| You have a godlike experience. | ||
| That doesn't work. | ||
| They give you ayahuasca. | ||
| That's the standard deal now. | ||
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That's the standard deal on colleges now. | |
| I can't tell if he's being hilarious or not. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Yeah, you know, you're a freshman, you come in, you go to one of these leftist groups. | ||
| The KKK is coming. | ||
| They give you X. Come to our rally. | ||
| They give you X and then someone sucks you ding dong. | ||
| And then you're in! | ||
| And then you're in. | ||
| Now, admittedly, if that X doesn't work for everybody, sometimes they'll hit you with ayahuasca and then you're in anyways. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| I admit that I'm 10 years out of college or so at this point, right? | ||
| You know, at the same time, when I went to college, Alex was 10 years dropping out of junior college. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I don't particularly know if he's deeply in touch with what's going on on campuses. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and guess that this is not an accurate depiction of what goes on. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I mean, it depends on which college. | ||
| I heard Arizona State, this is what they do all the time. | ||
| Arizona State's one of those big party schools. | ||
| I don't think they're super into leftist causes. | ||
| I think this would be at, like, Oberlin. | ||
| Actually, this is believable at Oberlin. | ||
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I love it. | |
| *laughter* | ||
| One of these real hippie schools. | ||
| It'd be funny. | ||
| It'd be more fun if it was actually Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. | ||
| Oh, sure, Liberty. | ||
| Accidentally rooted for them in the NCAA tournament. | ||
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Yeah, you did. | |
| That was so funny. | ||
| Not knowing it was Falwell. | ||
| You sent me a text and I was like, oh, really? | ||
| You're Liberty University? | ||
| I just like an upset. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think this is pretty stupid. | ||
| But see, here's the struggle that I have. | ||
| I do think that's really funny. | ||
| Whether it's based in ignorance. | ||
| I mean, if he's trying to be funny, I think it's less funny. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But assuming that he's actually presenting this as, like, this is how it goes on college campuses, fucking hilarious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it becomes, like, I can't even enjoy those moments too much because he says things like in this next clip that is really, really towing the line with, I think, genocide. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Old Dick Cheney said we ought to just release bioweapons and wipe the Muslims out. | ||
| You know, even though we've got Muslim calls to prayer taking place in New York, I'm about to show you, I just still can't... | ||
| I have a little problem releasing a race-specific Arab weapon. | ||
| Just a little problem? | ||
| I just don't think Jesus would like it too much if we kill them all. | ||
| But, you know, I think the world's kind of going in that direction, so... | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| What did he just say? | ||
| That is so fucked up. | ||
| He's saying that, like, ah, you know, I don't think we should have a race-specific bioweapon that kills all Muslims and Arabs, but I know they want to destroy me, they want to take me out, and, you know, I just think that killing them all, God wouldn't be thrilled with that, but I also think that's the way the world's going. | ||
| I think it's inevitable we're gonna have to commit genocide against these people. | ||
| I mean, that's what he's saying. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You should never be blasé about the idea of an inevitable genocide. | ||
| Yeah, I don't like that. | ||
| Although, I do remember that when Jesus was like, you should turn the other cheek only to release a bioweapon specifically targeting Muslims. | ||
| That was a really prophetic parable he had right there. | ||
| This is an interesting way to preemptively pretend that you're the victim in some sort of an aggression. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And it's one of the worst imaginable aggressions that could be put forth towards people. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, no matter what, any time you have this, like, eh, they just gave you an accent sucker on your ding-dong, turned you into a liberal at college, like, that sort of comical nonsense mixed in with, eh, we might end up having to kill all Muslims. | ||
| You might, you know? | ||
| That can't exist in the same space. | ||
| It's just, it's unbelievable. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Not to mention impossible. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex has two guests that come on back-to-back in one hour. | ||
| Both lawyers. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He has two guests. | ||
| One of them is Matt Bracken, his special forces... | ||
| Idiot friend. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And Joel Skousen comes up. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| And here is a clip of Alex introducing Joel Skousen about... | ||
| And I only play this clip. | ||
| We're not going to listen to any clips of the two of them. | ||
| I'll just explain what happens with them. | ||
| But this is an important clip because it indicates that from a very early age, Alex Jones' dad lived in an environment of rabid, rampant anti-communist sentiment. | ||
| You know, we've got one of the best geopolitical analysts out there, Joel Skousen, and his family is the gold standard, the platinum standard. | ||
| We're not bragging. | ||
| He doesn't like to be bragged about. | ||
| Of anti-communism. | ||
| When I was growing up, five years old, my grandfather, who was this super John Wayne American World War II vet, sitting around the table, and he was talking to my dad. | ||
| I was five years old, reading The Naked Capitalist. | ||
| He's like, and it's not just the commies, the big banks. | ||
| Playing the game to investigate the public. | ||
| We've got to stop them, and you've got to get in there and do it. | ||
| And I'm sitting there listening to this, and I'm like five years old. | ||
| My dad's like, we weren't working on it. | ||
| We're trying to, whatever they were up to. | ||
| Because my dad had been fighting communists since he was about 14 years old. | ||
| And they're talking about Cleon Scousin. | ||
| You know, that indicates to me that Alex Jones' dad was involved in some groups. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that probably is the John Birch Society. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if you had to, I would love to go buck wild with this and be like, all right, are there any unsolved crimes in the Dallas Rockwall area in 1979 of some sort of, like, you know, I don't know. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I would love to try and do that. | ||
| Be like, did they have a cell of some sort, some anti-communist? | ||
| But it's almost certainly the John Birch Society. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They probably had meetings, reading meetings and stuff. | ||
| And we were virulently anti-Semitic at the home. | ||
| Probably, but you don't realize that it is. | ||
| It's presented as something else. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that kind of idea gives me a pretty... | ||
| I think I would get all the way to the ayahuasca stage. | ||
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You would? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, now that I know ayahuasca's involved, I'm not just going to stop at E. Yeah. | ||
| And it's just E, they're not even going with the... | ||
| Molly, what's going on here? | ||
| College has got to catch up. | ||
| Well, it's probably because Alex's references are 20 years old. | ||
| So on the show, like I said, he has these guests. | ||
| He has Joel Skousen, who comes on second, and Matt Bracken, who comes on before him. | ||
| Matt Bracken, when he's on, he's there to argue that the people who were caught on video in the boat coming up to the tanker, they were clearly retrieving their limpet mine, and Iran did it. | ||
| No two ways about it. | ||
| It is absolutely Iran. | ||
| They couldn't have got that mine out of the boat unless they knew about the mine ahead of time and knew how to defuse it. | ||
| Otherwise, it would have blown up on them. | ||
| Matt Bracken, it is Iran. | ||
| Alex Jones completely agrees with him and is like, oh my god, absolutely. | ||
| This is definitely what happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Bracken came on to justify Alex's yesterday. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Now, then he brings in Joel Skousen, who argues that the Japanese ship didn't even get hit with a mine. | ||
| It was a missile and the Iranian ship that was there was doing a rescue mission. | ||
| He directly contradicts Matt Bracken and Alex completely agrees with him that it was a false flag by the neocons of the team state. | ||
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Not five minutes after agreeing with Bracken that it was the Iranians. | |
| It's completely disorienting. | ||
| And I know that this is Alex's version of what he thinks is looking at both sides. | ||
| In the end, all it achieves is it demands that his audience see both of these men as valid, credible sources of information who are saying completely different things with complete confidence and pretend authority. | ||
| It's one thing for a news program to talk to both of them. | ||
| Like I could see a credible news program talking to Matt Bracken and Joel Skousen back to back. | ||
| It's a totally different thing for this news person, this hypothetical news person, to talk to both of them and have the audience witness them within a span of 10-15 minutes be convinced of contradictory things. | ||
| It's jarring to an audience. | ||
| And it leaves you with the position of like, I trust Alex. | ||
| I think Alex is a good gauge of information while he has just willed a contradiction. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, it would be jarring. | ||
| Starring if, like you and I, you are uncomfortable and repelled by cognitive dissonance, whereas if you are basically living cognitive dissonance on a minute-by-minute basis, I doubt they would be affected by that too much. | ||
| You still experience it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's still tough to deal with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Earlier in this June 14th episode, we had Alex say that there was unmitigated thoroughbred tyranny afoot. | ||
| And then also he said that, you know, baggage, gotta go. | ||
| We gotta take the fourth hour because there's an attack on Infowars. | ||
| So they're not the same thing. | ||
| The tyranny is that Facebook is gonna sue you if you're racist, which I don't believe. | ||
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Facebook! | |
| And now we get to Alex insinuating what the second part was, the attack on Infowars. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| Interesting, because I think he might show some cards. | ||
| I'm going to stay the course. | ||
| And I almost, in the fourth hour, don't want to tell you what they're up to, because it has scared some employees off, okay? | ||
| And I really haven't told people what's going on. | ||
| They harass my employees' families. | ||
| They harass my family. | ||
| They run psyops. | ||
| They try to have women, beautiful women. | ||
| You know, in grocery stores, and of course, like, you know, I mean, it's bad, folks, okay? | ||
| And I'm not complaining. | ||
| I'm just saying it's because we're doing something very important. | ||
| And the fact that I'm working 16 hours a day and don't do all this stuff, my only problem is drinking, and I've cut back on that. | ||
| The fact that I'm not a worldly person when it comes to stuff, they can't get me. | ||
| They are so pissed, and they've really tried to set us up, and we've reported to the FBI, and they say we're the victim, but they're coming for me, folks. | ||
| And I'm not a victim. | ||
| I just want to... | ||
| Keep going if I can, but if I have to finish strong, they kill me, whatever, I'm going to go all the way. | ||
| But I need money. | ||
| It's an ad pivot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an ad pivot while he's vaguely discussing what is this attack on Infowars. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So you can already see this preemptively being set up. | ||
| Even before anyone listening has any information as to what he's talking about, he's trying to use this to get money for himself from the audience, which I find suspicious. | ||
| I find that to be a little suspicious. | ||
| Well, I mean, everybody, I assume, listening to our show by now has already figured out what it is he's about to talk about. | ||
| Yes, probably. | ||
| I was going to let Alex lay it out as it goes along, but yes, you speak freely. | ||
| The one thing that I have not read any reporting about is the preemptive sales pitch. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's pretty weird. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That, huh. | ||
| So also in there, you hear Alex saying that he has a problem with booze, and it's getting better, which is great to hear. | ||
| I mean, I guess there's some sort of insight there, because he does absolutely have a problem with booze. | ||
| But what makes it feel a little less sincere is that by the time the third hour is rolling around... | ||
| He's clearly drunk again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Like, I think that he had that jarring back-to-back interviews with Joel Skousen and Matt Bracken, who both said contradictory things. | |
| And Joel Skousen was a little bit of a longer interview, and Skousen was clearly talking shit on Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Like, he was being like, I don't think Trump knows anything. | |
| Like, if you or I were in these meetings, we could tell him about the deep state and the communist menace. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But Trump doesn't know shit. | |
| He is not part of the movement. | ||
| He means well, but he's stupid. | ||
| Yeah, he's a fucking moron. | ||
| And Alex had already built him up as, like, one of the godfathers of anti-communist thought in all this. | ||
| He can't just be like, go fuck yourself, Skousen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would be fun, though. | ||
| I think he had a tough time with that, and he started drinking. | ||
| And I base that on his behavior completely changing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has Owen on, Owen Schroer. | ||
| And they're talking about the drag queen story time that's going on in Austin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| And, of course, Owen went down there to go cause problems. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then they made it really... | ||
| Their story is about how Antifa was going to show up to counter them being there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Anyway, this clip is only important because you can really see that Alex is pretty fucked up. | ||
| This isn't Linda Blair with a head spitting around, spitting pea soup. | ||
| This isn't fake. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| You understand us? | ||
| And they're literally roaring, going, your children are ours. | ||
| And, and, and, sorry, go ahead. | ||
| These are the Skeksis. | ||
| Anyway, this is funny. | ||
| The crew just brought me this. | ||
| The Austin Chronicle says, I crashed at Drag Queen Storytime. | ||
| Actually, I was really polite, and I waited until all the kids left. | ||
| How dare you go to a public event where a dude in a blue-purple-green wig has kids sitting on his lap? | ||
| How dare you show it? | ||
| How dare you get between the special time, Owen? | ||
| By the way, if Miss Kitty Litter... | ||
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You know what? | |
| That's it. | ||
| I'm taking your freaking... | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
|
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What? | |
| No! | ||
| Freaking problem, dude? | ||
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Hey! | |
| I went to Drag Queen Storytime because I like the trannies. | ||
| You let those men put their hands on the kids. | ||
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Don't make me. | |
| All right. | ||
| No, let's get serious. | ||
| All right, yeah. | ||
| They just started a fake fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is a drunk dude. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because, I mean, like, the yelling and stuff and saying all kinds of offensive things, very normal. | ||
| His manner is completely different as the show reaches this point. | ||
| And I also think that Alex is probably a little bit uncomfortable about having to make the fourth hour announcement that he's going to make. | ||
| Immediately following, talking about that, yeah. | ||
| I think that there's a whole lot of influences. | ||
| He probably sought comfort in a bottle, and it comes out. | ||
| When he's sitting here with Owen, like, ah, I got a bit that I'm going to do. | ||
| I'm going to fucking fake fight you. | ||
| And it's exactly what he did to Stephen Crowder when he went out after he drank on Tuesday's episode. | ||
| When he went out to Steve Crowder's demonstration, he tried to fake fight him, too. | ||
| And then him and Owen started fake fighting because Stephen Crowder wouldn't play along with him. | ||
| It's kind of a drunk bit that Alex has been doing, and I guess he fake fought with Gavin McGinnis when he was on the show. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| So then Joe Biggs, Rambo Joe Biggs, shows up on the phone because he wanted to talk to Alex about how we need to start saving everything. | ||
| He's like, oh great, data preservation. | ||
| Great, good. | ||
| Very important topic. | ||
| And so Alex won't let Joe Biggs talk. | ||
| He just keeps screaming at him in a way that he thinks he's doing a bit. | ||
| He just keeps yelling at him about Satan. | ||
| And you won't stop these children from their liberation. | ||
| They will face their father, Satan, and they love him. | ||
| How dare you stop our priesthood? | ||
| You will pay for your evil, my friend. | ||
| I'd like to remind you that Joe Biggs was calling in to talk about data preservation. | ||
| Apologize to Lucifer. | ||
| Apologize to Lucifer and say, I want to kill children. | ||
| I want to keep them comfortable. | ||
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Say it. | |
| I want to keep them comfortable. | ||
| And you will be delivered. | ||
| Jesus is a lie, Joe. | ||
| Say, I love Satan. | ||
| I want to kill babies. | ||
| Join Satan, Joe. | ||
| Joe, join him now. | ||
| Joe, don't be racist. | ||
| Joe, Satan knows killing babies. | ||
| No, Joe. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Satan knows. | ||
| Oh, my God, he's... | ||
| Oh, arrest him for hate speech! | ||
| So, I mean, this is a completely different person. | ||
| Do you mean this is dynamite radio? | ||
| Great radio. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Better video. | ||
| Just nonsensical. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's just completely changed. | ||
| Like, his manner is completely different. | ||
| He's acting like all those other times we've seen him drunk in the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he was holding it together before, like, stupid shit, he was saying. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But just a completely, completely different. | ||
| To the point where Owen Schreuer is in there trying to deliver his report about having gone out to the Drag Queen Storytime, which is one of their marquee issues that they're trying to make propaganda about. | ||
| And Alex won't let him talk. | ||
| He keeps trying to talk and Alex will just scream something at him and fake fight him to the point where I think that they had a conversation and Alex had to leave the studio. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| So Owen could get his report out. | ||
| Here is Owen blowing minds when he's finally allowed to talk. | ||
| And then you find out that here in Austin, a church was renting out an independent school district performing arts center. | ||
| Now, that independent school district performing arts center is going to take $10,000 of those dollars to send kids to a gay pride parade. | ||
| Now, when I asked why they were going to be doing this, they said there was a little outrage over the fact that this church stood against homosexuality because of their Christian values. | ||
| But when I called and inquired, I was told that there is an LGBTQ initiative in Austin with the kids. | ||
| So, why is there an LGBTQ initiative with the kids? | ||
| Ask yourself this. | ||
| Why is there no heterosexual initiative with the kids? | ||
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Boo! | |
| If it wasn't for heterosexuals, there wouldn't be any drag queens. | ||
| There wouldn't be any gay people. | ||
| There wouldn't be any people at all. | ||
| Mind blown. | ||
| Mind blown. | ||
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Boo! | |
| Boo! | ||
| No, no, don't boo him. | ||
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That's an impressive swing for the fences. | |
| Without us straights, there wouldn't be any gays. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Theoretically not true. | ||
| It doesn't look like he made it through junior college either. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think Owen did go to college. | ||
| I think he went to college in St. Louis. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| It's my understanding that he did. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So that's crazy. | ||
| I mean, it's indicative of his thought pattern, though, like this sort of childish level of justifying his positions. | ||
| You just got a little taste of the wool room because Alex let him talk. | ||
| That is stupid. | ||
| Now, here is Owen going out to break and Alex barging in to scream something right at the end as they're going to commercial. | ||
| It's all coming to the fore. | ||
| Infowars predicted at first. | ||
| They're sexualizing the kids. | ||
| Whether you want to admit it or not, that's on you. | ||
| But that's what's going on, and we're going to be highlighting that tomorrow. | ||
| Big announcement straight. | ||
| I see that as a little cartoon where he peeks in through the door. | ||
| I was thinking of laughing where he opens the door up and he peeks his head up. | ||
| Or comes up from under the desk. | ||
| Now, that is a show that I would watch. | ||
| Look, if Owen Troyer said dumb shit for three straight hours, but every now and again there's just some weird ass just... | ||
| I would be... | ||
| I'm surprised to discover I liked it. | ||
| I still don't think you would. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| I still think it would be trash. | ||
| I'm just going to skip this next one because it's just Alex expressing that he thinks it's a good thing that he simultaneously believes that Iran did this and it was a false flag by the globalists. | ||
| He's talking about you could take clips from the last two days' shows and you could edit them and have me saying whichever you wanted. | ||
| And I'm like, yes, that's bad. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| That means you don't know what you're talking about at at least one of those points. | ||
| And maybe both. | ||
| He seems to think it's some sort of virtue and they're like, we're having an intelligent conversation. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| You are aimless. | ||
| Owen Schreier just said if it weren't for heterosexual people, we wouldn't have homosexual people, which implies if you hate gays that much, what you should really be doing is killing straight people. | ||
| Well, see, now that's you using as bad a logic as Owen did. | ||
| As Alex screamed at the end there, big announcement coming up after the break, and that is that Alex's other lawyer, Norm Pattis, has been flown in from Connecticut to appear on the show. | ||
| I gotta say, Norm kind of won me over. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I still think he's a pile of shit, because first of all, he's defending Alex. | ||
| And second, some of that other stuff that we found about that, like racist memes and stuff. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| His behavior in that deposition was pretty shitty. | ||
| But I think he comes off way better than Robert Barnes in this display. | ||
| So first, Alex is about to introduce him, and then he burps through a little bit of conversation, which kind of also feeds into my, he's drunk. | ||
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A little bit? | |
| We're going to have Norm Pattis, an esteemed constitutional First Amendment and civil rights lawyer, roll through this. | ||
| But I want to be very clear. | ||
| I am proud of questioning Sandy Hook. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I was not the progenitor or the daddy of it. | ||
| The daddy of it. | ||
| So they start talking about this stuff. | ||
| Norm is trying to be as good a straight man as possible. | ||
| Alex is like, I barely talked about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Barely did it. | ||
| You know. | ||
| And he's like, yeah, absolutely, Alex. | ||
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We looked at the metrics and didn't cover it all that much. | |
| But then Alex gets off track because he wants to brag. | ||
| They talk about analytics. | ||
| I don't look at analytics, but Joe Rogan put out 30-something clips when I was on with him in February. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The top clip had 14 million views on YouTube, not counting other platforms. | ||
| It has over 100 million views right now. | ||
| I talked to Joe a few weeks ago. | ||
| It's bigger than Elon Musk. | ||
| It's the biggest thing he's ever done. | ||
| 14 million for the interview. | ||
| The average video, 30 videos, is 3 million views. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Guess what the lowest video is? | ||
| And look at that. | ||
| That's 14 million right there. | ||
| You see that? | ||
| 14 million. | ||
| That's the top clip. | ||
| 14 mil. | ||
| And YouTube's famous for dialing it down and not paying you the advertising. | ||
| The word is just like probably 60 mil on there. | ||
| I've had films on Google video before they took it down with 100 mil. | ||
| Okay, so I'm the king daddy, okay? | ||
| And I'm here to tell the little pimps, the Senator Murphy's and the prosecutor, the Obama-appointed prosecutor that's doing all this, bitch, I don't need to talk about poor dead kids to have listeners. | ||
| I've got news stacked to the rafters. | ||
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I got news stacked to the rafters. | |
| That's a good turn of phrase. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I do like that one. | ||
| That's one of those rare instances where Alex's anger ends up turning into a good sentence. | ||
| Yeah, that's a solid little bit right there. | ||
| I'll give him that. | ||
| And you may, but that means you're just paying too much for printing because you don't go over any of that news. | ||
| It's just a waste of paper. | ||
| You better recycle. | ||
| So yeah, I love that Norm just, oh. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| He is not impressed at all. | ||
| He knows that Alex is a blowhard and king daddy of this. | ||
| So I guess it's time to get into it. | ||
| Alex is going to lay out what this attack on Infowars is in this next clip. | ||
| It's three minutes long because I wanted Alex to be able to present the situation as he sees it and then see how quickly he takes it to the conclusion that he wants to take it to. | ||
| Bill's son of the republic, my family, more than 14 generations. | ||
| His family fought for the Confederacy. | ||
| And I know what they do when you expose them. | ||
| They say you're a pedophile. | ||
| We knew it was coming. | ||
| And when the Obama-appointed U.S. attorney demanded out of 9.6 emails, 9.6 million emails in the last seven years in Sandy Hook, Metadata, which meant tracking the emails and where they went. | ||
| Well, we fought it in court. | ||
| The judge ordered for us to release a large number of those emails. | ||
| That's Chris Matty that got that done. | ||
| A very interesting individual at the firm of Koskoff and Koskoff, run by Senator Murphy and Senator Blumenthal, that say for America to survive, quote, I must be taken off the air. | ||
| So they're very naked about what they stand for. | ||
| So, you know, I had them try to set me up with the Russians. | ||
| And I reported to the FBI, and that kind of freaked them out a lot. | ||
| And that's all on record. | ||
| It's been covered on national news. | ||
| It hasn't. | ||
| So that didn't work too well. | ||
| And so we learned in just the last few days that when they wanted these hundreds of thousands of emails out of the 9.6 million, that they had attachments to them that no one would know what they were. | ||
| We hadn't opened this. | ||
| The FBI has come out and said, I'm the victim. | ||
| And a statement's coming out officially. | ||
| The U.S. Attorney's Office in Connecticut. | ||
| But what's interesting is we checked with real IT people, because we're not IT folks. | ||
| We made some calls, and they said, no, you wouldn't know what was in attachments, and you wouldn't know what they linked to, because the FBI looked at it. | ||
| They said, we're the victim. | ||
| It was hidden in Sandy Hook emails threatening us. | ||
| That was child porn. | ||
| So, it's on record. | ||
| We were sent child porn. | ||
| We're not involved in child porn. | ||
| But the fact is, It's not a needle in a haystack. | ||
| It's fields of haystacks. | ||
| And they get these emails a few weeks ago, and they go right to the FBI and say, we've got him with child porn. | ||
| The FBI says he never opened it, and he didn't send it. | ||
| And then they act like, oh, they're our friends. | ||
| They're not going to do anything with this. | ||
| Go to hell. | ||
| I wasn't born yesterday. | ||
| I was born in the dark, but it wasn't last night. | ||
| Whatever's going on, I'm offering a $100,000 reward, not $10,000. | ||
| A $100,000 reward for the arrest and prosecution. | ||
| And I've had $115,000 bonuses and contests before, so I pay $100,000. | ||
| We're going to release the metadata in the next few days on Infowars.com. | ||
| From the email address, the company and the folks at the company are going to track it back and they're going to find out. | ||
| And we're going to pay the $100,000 and you're going to go to prison. | ||
| So, first of all, I want to say immediately that I don't believe, based on the information that's currently available, that Alex is lying. | ||
| This kind of accusation? | ||
| Pretty serious stuff, and it does seem entirely plausible to me that someone could have sent him some malicious files. | ||
| If more information comes out, I reserve the right to update my position. | ||
| But for now, I have no tolerance for people saying this proves he's guilty, if anything. | ||
| I understand that it's my lot in life to be overly fair to Alex, but I don't think that this is an example of that. | ||
| I think it's seeing that this is one of the few instances where it does make sense that someone would do that to him, and things have played out this way, it makes... | ||
| I see it as a possibility. | ||
| And if that is the reality, I think it's very unwise to play into Alex's ability to make propaganda out of his own victimhood. | ||
| From the way he's talking, I can barely track what he's saying happened. | ||
| It seems all over the place. | ||
| But it seems to me that he's saying that someone sent him threatening emails about Sandy Hook that contained attachments that included illegal pornography. | ||
| His team didn't see him, didn't notice them until they were handed over as part of a batch of emails that were deemed relevant to his lawsuit in Connecticut. | ||
| From there, the FBI has said that Infowars isn't under suspicion. | ||
| That seems to be what he's saying as his narrative. | ||
| Admittedly, it's all coming from him, so there's a grain of salt aspect to it. | ||
| But honestly, it seems plausible as a series of events. | ||
| That's not to say it is what happened. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| I'm not even certain that any of this exists. | ||
| It could be a PR stunt. | ||
| But the position I'm coming from is very much one where I think it's wise to exercise caution. | ||
| Now, Alex's narrative about this that's going to develop over the next couple of clips is that he believes that the people who are suing him in Sandy Hook sent them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that that's the only way they would have been able to know where to look to find it to take to the FBI. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When in reality, that is a really shitty assumption. | ||
| Because any kind of data analysis firm would be able to run scripts on large amounts of data. | ||
| There are people that specialize in this sort of thing. | ||
| It would not be something that would be a needle in a haystack. | ||
| It would be if you were manually searching through emails. | ||
| But because of algorithms and programs that people can run, it is the sort of thing where you could look for suspicious things. | ||
| And I don't believe for a second that you wouldn't be able to find that. | ||
| Even if you had a million... | ||
| And emails. | ||
| The idea of being able to process it through in, like, a week, I think that's very doable. | ||
| So that falls apart a little bit. | ||
| Now, all this being said, this contest seems like a weird move. | ||
| And probably it's only something you would do if you didn't think this was a real thing. | ||
| For one, Alex can't afford to make this kind of a payout. | ||
| Secondly, if the FBI is on the case, I think they got this shit covered. | ||
| You don't need to crowdsource an investigation when the actual investigators are investigating it. | ||
| If this were real, I would really, really think that the FBI would say, don't comment on an active investigation. | ||
| Seems like it would get in the way. | ||
| Now, whether or not this is real or not, I think what he's doing is super irresponsible. | ||
| Assuming that he does release some of this metadata or whatever he has, what's going to happen? | ||
| If one of his listeners could figure out whose IP address it came from, the FBI already knows who that is. | ||
| Assuming any of the stuff Alex releases actually leads back to a person, which it may or may not, all he's doing is increasing the possibility that that person is hurt and this matter is not dealt with lawfully. | ||
| There's legitimately no reason to do what he's doing right now. | ||
| But I don't think that it's some kind of guilty conscience. | ||
| I don't think that that's a fair assumption to make. | ||
| I don't think he's trying to cover up anything. | ||
| I think it feels more attention-hungry than anything else. | ||
| So I don't know what the reality of the situation is, but the fact that he's making a contest out of it strikes me as he's not too worried about whatever it is and doesn't seem all that... | ||
| Worried about the consequences of him doing something like this. | ||
| So in this next clip, he talks about how people who have threatened him in the past have gone to prison. | ||
| And then things really spiral completely out of control. | ||
| By the way, more than 20 people that have threatened us and my crew have gone to prison. | ||
| When people threatened to kill George Bush or threatened to kill Obama, we reported you, you went to prison. | ||
| Those aren't people who are threatening you. | ||
| Those are your fans who are threatening Obama in the comments section of your website. | ||
| Now, good on you for handing over the IP addresses, I guess. | ||
| I guess? | ||
| I think that's probably... | ||
| I mean, you can't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know where the line is. | ||
| Well, I guess you're better than the fucking president. | ||
| But those aren't people who threatened you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a slight distinction. | ||
| And law enforcement knows we are law-abiding. | ||
| We're not offensively committing crimes. | ||
| Except for when you are. | ||
| $100,000 reward, and we'll release the metadata by Monday of who sent this. | ||
| And when they're arrested, you get $10,000. | ||
| When they're convicted, you get $90,000. | ||
| Now, I wonder who, during discovery, would send emails out of millions and then know what to search and look at. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think people are smart enough to know where to look at the ISPs. | ||
| $100,000. | ||
| Oh, did I mention on conviction another $100,000? | ||
| $200,000. | ||
| No, no, wait. | ||
| $1 million. | ||
| $1 million. | ||
| I can't help it. | ||
| I've always done what I sell to. | ||
| I don't have a lot of money, but I'll sell my house. | ||
| One million dollars on conviction for who sent the child porn. | ||
| One million dollars. | ||
| This doesn't help anything. | ||
| Like, offering a million dollars to people who can search stuff in databases or the dark web or whatever, that doesn't help in any investigative capacity that the official FBI could do or couldn't do. | ||
| Like, any outcome other than this person getting hurt is not achieved by whatever you're doing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's very fucked up. | ||
| Especially when you're insinuating that it was the families of... | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Oh, he's not? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, law firm people. | ||
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Ah, gotcha. | |
| You'll get specific about it. | ||
| He's not saying that Posner sent it or anything like that. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| That would be mega fucked up. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| This is still incredibly fucked up because you can see the beginning of the insinuation there. | ||
| Who would have known in the middle of, you know. | ||
| He's tying this to Sandy Hook for sure, which is where, I mean, it makes sense. | ||
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He's tying it to his victimhood about this lawsuit for sure. | |
| Man, I am really not stoked. | ||
| Because every video, I know he's going to go off on this wild rant and it's going to be real loud and it's going to have all that stuff. | ||
| It's not as big a rant as I think people have said it is. | ||
| But these clips going on back and the preemptive sales pitch on this, I don't want to rely on my feelings or my ability to intuit whatever it is Alex did or didn't do, but... | ||
| I've heard him lie 10 billion times on this show. | ||
| And it doesn't sound like this. | ||
| And, God, this is such a bummer. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if he was overjoyed when the FBI found this shit. | ||
| Because he was like, I can ride this. | ||
| Look, I'm such the victim. | ||
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Probably. | |
| Yeah, I would say he's happy about this. | ||
| Well, I mean, the intersection of joy and anger is so close for him. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It's so intertwined. | ||
| It's the same thing that we talked about back in the 2013 stuff, when Buzz Bissinger legitimately threatened to shoot him. | ||
| Piers Morgan's show. | ||
| How pumped was Alex when that happened? | ||
| He knows no one's going to shoot him, but now he has a justifiable position to be like, they say they're going to shoot me! | ||
| And in this case, from everything I can tell, he has a legitimate position that some bad actor tried to set him up like this. | ||
| And he is everywhere because of it. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| And, like, the gambit doesn't work if someone on his side is guilty of this. | ||
| Like, it doesn't work. | ||
| This propaganda doesn't work. | ||
| If he felt in any way, for even a second... | ||
| That someone within Infowars or himself was responsible for this. | ||
| He would never bring it up on the show. | ||
| He would never talk about it until the FBI brought it up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He would never make a public display out of this, even in terms of getting ahead of the story. | ||
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Right. | |
| It would not be worthwhile because when the facts of the case came out, it would be like, oh, fuck. | ||
| Yeah, this one I'm not just going to apologize to Hamdi for. | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I mean, I'm not going to say 100% because he's a fucking moron. | ||
| So who knows? | ||
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Right. | |
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm only going based on my sense of him from years of studying his behaviors. | ||
| I would bet 95% of everything I own. | ||
| And that other 5% would just be, you know, I'll write that off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It does seem to me like opportunistic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, if I had to guess who the person doing it is, I would bet it's just some stray bad actor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I bet it's just somebody with really ill will or someone fucking with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody really fucked up, though. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I mean, really fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, they're fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Really fucked up. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I don't think that there's any possibility that it's anybody involved in his case. | ||
| I don't believe that it's anybody any of us have ever heard of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like you said, there is a little bit of a freak out, and here we get a little bit of it. | ||
| One million dollars. | ||
| You think when you call up, oh, we'll protect you. | ||
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We found the child porn. | |
| I like women with big, giant tits and big asses. | ||
| I don't like kids like you goddamn rapists. | ||
| F-heads. | ||
| In fact, delete this. | ||
| You fucks are gonna get it, you fucking child molesters. | ||
| I'll fucking get you in the end, you fucks. | ||
| He still doesn't know how to swear. | ||
| I know I should delete it on the radio. | ||
| Probably still went out. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| You're trying to set me up with child porn. | ||
| I'm gonna get your ass. | ||
| One million dollars. | ||
| One million dollars, you little gang member. | ||
| One million dollars to put your head on a pike. | ||
| One million dollars, bitch! | ||
| I'm gonna get your ass. | ||
| You understand me now? | ||
| You're not gonna ever defeat Texas, you sacks of shit. | ||
| So you get ready for that. | ||
| Now, I don't usually use French, but I'm pissed right now. | ||
| Norm Pattis, you take over this segment the next time. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| So his lawyer's been sitting there the whole time. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And this is interesting, because when Norm... | ||
| Finally is allowed to talk because Alex is done screaming. | ||
| He makes a really good point. | ||
| But I'm really pissed right now. | ||
| Yeah, I get that. | ||
| And I'm not talking about this goddamn bullshit anymore. | ||
| So you should have talked to me about the reward structure. | ||
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No! | |
| I don't! | ||
| It's one million! | ||
| But listen to me. | ||
| I'm your lawyer and it would behoove you to listen from time to time. | ||
| You don't ever want to create an interest in the outcome and a potential witness. | ||
| No, no, no, I'm here. | ||
| I'm going to... | ||
| Why does the law enforcement say there's an out... | ||
| Why does law enforcement say $5,000, dead or alive? | ||
| One million! | ||
| Because we all know who did it! | ||
| So let's talk about what happened here. | ||
| You think I won't pay one million? | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| I just don't want you to create an interest in the outcome of a person who testifies because they now have a... | ||
| There is a contingent interest in telling... | ||
| Well, then why does law enforcement get bounties? | ||
| That's different than having a contingent interest in... | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| So he's trying to explain to him, you've tainted a witness. | ||
| If you give out money, you can't have them testify. | ||
| Whatever information they find is probably tainted, too, because you have paid for it. | ||
| Yeah, he's trying to be like, you should have fucking... | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| So all it really achieves is even, like his lawyer is very clearly pointing out, even the best case scenario, you get to the bottom of it through this route. | ||
| You've probably ruined your case against them. | ||
| Let the professionals deal with this. | ||
| So Norm is really trying to set Alex straight, but Alex is drunk and angry, and so he just won't listen to it. | ||
| He brought his lawyer in, he flew him in specifically for this, and he won't let him talk. | ||
| The point is that somebody directed child pornography into your email accounts, hoping that you would open it, so that when you opened it, there would be direct evidence that you had viewed knowingly and possessed child porn. | ||
| And now, magically, they want metadata. | ||
| Out of hundreds of thousands of emails they got, and they know right where to go. | ||
| What a nice group of Democrats. | ||
| How surprising. | ||
| What nice people. | ||
| Chris Maddy. | ||
| Chris Maddy. | ||
| Let's zoom in on Chris Maddy. | ||
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Oh, nice little Chris Maddy. | |
| So what he did there is he had the document cam zoom in on a picture on a printed out piece of paper of this guy, Chris Maddy, and then he slammed his fist on his face. | ||
| He's making a target out of this person. | ||
| Did he really do that? | ||
| He did. | ||
| He really did do that. | ||
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That's... | |
| That's... | ||
| Incitement? | ||
| Can you do that? | ||
| I mean, his lawyer's right there. | ||
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Yeah, that's... | |
| Barnes is the one that handles that shit. | ||
| What a good American. | ||
| What a good boy. | ||
| You think you'll put on me? | ||
| Anyways, I'm done. | ||
| Total war. | ||
| You want it? | ||
| You got it. | ||
| I'm not into kids like your Democratic Party, you cocksuckers. | ||
| So get ready. | ||
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Well, that was better. | |
| You're my defense lawyer. | ||
| The point is, I'm not putting up with these guys anymore, man, and their behavior, because I'm not an idiot. | ||
| So, like, Norm is clearly like, oh, no. | ||
| Like, whereas Barnes kind of, like, he incites Alex a little bit. | ||
| Like, he's like, not only that, you are also a hero. | ||
| Yeah, Barnes is in it. | ||
| Yeah, Norm is like, shit. | ||
| Norm is like, guys, I'm an actual lawyer. | ||
| Look, you can do this with Barnes. | ||
| I'm not saying that he's a great lawyer or anything. | ||
| I'm not saying anything in his defense. | ||
| But I am saying on this episode, you can tell he is exasperated. | ||
| He's trying to explain to Alex the correct way to deal with something like this. | ||
| And Alex will not hear it because he is so full of rage and drunk. | ||
| And so in this next clip, Alex does a little bit of praying about how he would like this to turn out. | ||
| And I think because of past context clues, this sounds a lot more fucked up to me than it might to someone else. | ||
| F you, man. | ||
| F you to hell. | ||
| I pray God. | ||
| Not anybody. | ||
| Any else. | ||
| God visit vengeance upon you in the name of Jesus Christ and all the saints. | ||
| I pray for divine intervention against the powers of salvation. | ||
| So, you know, all that stuff is gross, but... | ||
| Him saying, not anybody else, God's vengeance, that doesn't preclude from all the times, lately especially, we've heard him talking about how, yes, vengeance is God's, but sometimes you're a tool of God's vengeance. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| He says that a lot. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So even him saying, like, nobody else's God's vengeance should be brought upon you, that doesn't mean that he's not hoping that someone hurts this guy. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's giving a million dollar bounty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that right there is not necessarily a stirring indictment of doing things on your own. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| So in this next clip, he's pushing really hard about the idea that these people who are working against him in the Sandy Hook lawsuit are the ones responsible. | ||
| All right, Norm, I apologize to our affiliates. | ||
| We delayed most of it out, but I've been fire-breathing today because I've talked to IT people and they say, you've got 9.6 million emails. | ||
| You've got hundreds of thousands sent to the court. | ||
| These are hidden links that they knew right what to go to. | ||
| And these people are appointed by Obama and it's just like, God, I'm so sick of them. | ||
| I am so sick of their filth and living off the dead kids at Sandy Hook. | ||
| And I've got all the statistics that I covered at like 0.2%, even with all the coverage now. | ||
| They make it who I am. | ||
| They live off these dead kids. | ||
| And then they say, I did it. | ||
| Because they watch Homeland and they believe their own filthy lies. | ||
| And then they find, out of grains of sand at the beach, They find a magic child pornography. | ||
| How obvious is that, that we've got a problem in this country? | ||
| It's not obvious that your conclusion is correct. | ||
| Like, if there were a machine to sort sand very effectively and digitally... | ||
| Then maybe you could find a grain of sand on a beach. | ||
| If it's just a matter of computing power, then your metaphors fall apart. | ||
| Hey, how do you find a needle in a haystack? | ||
| Run it through a processor. | ||
| You could do that. | ||
| It's real nonsensical, the idea that they magically found it. | ||
| Do you know how shit works? | ||
| Yeah, they could find things. | ||
| So he's implying very heavily that it's this Chris Maddy. | ||
| And that's dangerous because of the way he's behaving. | ||
| And so Norm really tries to politely tell him he should not do this. | ||
| And Alex does not understand. | ||
| I have spoken to federal prosecutors. | ||
| They regard you as a victim. | ||
| They do not regard you as in any way a suspect. | ||
| No one's going to search your computers or try to build a case against you. | ||
| I want them to. | ||
| I want them to track it back to you-know-who. | ||
| You are not a suspect. | ||
| You are not a target. | ||
| You are not a person of interest. | ||
| You are a victim, and that's the story here. | ||
| I wonder who the person of interest is. | ||
| Look. | ||
| You're showing Chris Maddy's photograph. | ||
| Oh, no, that was an accidental cut. | ||
| He's a nice Obama boy. | ||
| He's a good boy. | ||
| Chris Maddy is your adversary in this litigation, just as I am the adversary of the people that have sued you, and it is my responsibility to take their case apart if I can, and he will attack you. | ||
| He's a white shoe boy that thinks he owns America. | ||
| I'm not going to engage in a personal attack on Chris Maddy. | ||
| I want to find out who sent the emails to you, and when I find that person, then I will go to war. | ||
| Alex, Alex, Alex. | ||
| I've talked to IT. | ||
| You understand hidden links in an email no one looked at? | ||
| To find that is like finding a needle in 5,000 haystacks. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| They used Costco, Costco, Peter. | ||
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It means there's no limit to what they're going to do. | |
| They contracted out to a sophisticated data mining firm. | ||
| They spent probably $100,000 to go through your emails looking for whatever they could find. | ||
| And they did find this. | ||
| You believe that that was placed there and they knew where to look and how to find it. | ||
| I'm not I don't have evidence of that yet. | ||
| I represent. | ||
| Listen to me, young man. | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| I represent people. | ||
| They went to war. | ||
| They're about to get one. | ||
| That's all I'm just telling right now. | ||
| I'm not a Democrat, man. | ||
| Hit the pause button. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| He's trying. | ||
| Norm is pissed. | ||
| He is. | ||
| You can see it in his face. | ||
| He is incredibly frustrated. | ||
| Because I think you could have Skyped me, man. | ||
| You could have Skyped me. | ||
| I mean, that's got to be part of it. | ||
| You could have Skyped me. | ||
| If all you're going to do is yell over me, call me. | ||
| Well, I think that from the sense that I get... | ||
| And I could be wrong, but I think that Norm felt he could win the Sandy Hook lawsuit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that he felt that he was going to be able to win that on a free speech ground. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the sense that I get. | ||
| And he's sitting here, and Alex is jeopardizing. | ||
| A lot of this. | ||
| Because if he, I don't know, sends people to attack the other counsel in the case, that could be seen as somehow intimidation or tampering or something along those lines. | ||
| He could really be hurting his case here. | ||
| I'm sure that Norm didn't think that this was what he was showing up for. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So now he's on air with Alex while Alex is behaving that way, and he's doing his best to try and be like, Alex, listen to me, young man. | ||
| Yeah, that's fun. | ||
| You know, he's doing his best to say, we don't have evidence that he did that. | ||
| You believe that, but we can't operate off that. | ||
| Alex, calm down. | ||
| And Alex is not listening. | ||
| Man. | ||
| I think that he is a very different lawyer than Barnes. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Both probably on the scale of unscrupulous. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And probably both on the scale of shady. | ||
| But based on their appearances on Alex's show, I would hire Norm in a heartbeat over Barnes. | ||
| If we were doing a one-on-one, I would definitely go with Norm. | ||
| Norm! | ||
| Come on over here. | ||
| And Barnes is like, why don't you commit a crime? | ||
| And I was like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| We're not doing this, Barnes. | ||
| We're not doing this, Barnes. | ||
| If Barnes was there, he'd probably try and goad Alex into committing another crime so he could defend him for that. | ||
| He'd be like, hey, man, a million dollar bounty is a great idea. | ||
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Let's get everyone in the InfoWars universe. | |
| Alex, two million. | ||
| Ten million. | ||
| As your lawyer, I advise you to double it. | ||
| Yeah, I just think... | ||
| I think that there's a level of responsibility that Norm is showing. | ||
| And I can appreciate that in the most caustic of moments here. | ||
| Because I think, like, take everything away from it. | ||
| Alex is a human being. | ||
| He's flipping out here. | ||
| He's burning out on air. | ||
| And left to his own devices, could very easily get into territory that is, on its own, kind of legally dicey. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think that you have a guy who is supposed to, at least on some level, be there to protect Alex, actually showing up and being a little bit protective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And I can appreciate that, even if it's protecting someone who I think sucks. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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So far, based on the different lawsuits and how they've shaken out with different lawyers, I would say Norm is actually trying to win a case, and Barnes is trying to get publicity and then settle. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas Barnes wants the publicity of just being a controversial lightning pole of whatever. | ||
| So in this next clip, Norm is trying to explain to Alex that it's good to be mad, but you have to be mad at the right person, at the right time, in the right degree. | ||
| And Alex, again, is not listening. | ||
| When I came down here, you know, I didn't know who you were. | ||
| I knew who you were. | ||
| I could place you on the political landscape. | ||
| I hadn't watched your show. | ||
| I've made a study of you in the last three or four months, and you've won me over because I think you're an honest and angry American. | ||
| But sometimes you're not angry at the right things, and sometimes you get angry too quickly at the wrong things. | ||
| You try people trying to plant child porn on your computer, man. | ||
| Let's find out who did it and then take them down but not leap to a suit. | ||
| That's why I said one million! | ||
| I'm not BSing. | ||
| One million dollars when they are convicted. | ||
| The bounty's out, bitches. | ||
| And you know you feds. | ||
| They're going to know you did it. | ||
| They're going to get your ass, you little dirtbag. | ||
| One million, bitch. | ||
| It's out on your ass. | ||
| Well, if they're the grass, I will be your lawnmower, but let's make sure we're mowing the right lawn, okay? | ||
| You have every reason to be... | ||
| One million, I pay all debts. | ||
| One million is on the street. | ||
| So, I mean, that's... | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| This is a one-track mind of this... | ||
| He's a child. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not... | ||
| Like, Norm is trying to address the issues and the real situation that Alex finds himself in, which leads me to believe that it probably is a real thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, if it was just Alex talking about it, there would be any Thunderdome. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Bets are off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You don't know what the fuck the reality is. | ||
| But the fact that Norm is talking about it, saying he's been in touch with prosecutors, the FBI, it does lead me to believe that this would be a much larger and weirder publicity stunt if he was getting his lawyer in. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Because I think that might get you disbarred. | ||
| Yeah, if it was Barnes. | ||
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Possibly. | |
| If it was Barnes. | ||
| The whole thing could be fixed. | ||
| Still bets off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, I think it must be a real situation, but Alex has to feel just so above it, or whatever, that it's just all about this bounty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you could turn this into victimhood, the excitement of the hunt. | ||
| There's so many things that you could just use as attention magnets. | ||
| Yeah, but in... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I can't imagine how I would react. | ||
| Like, the mixture of... | ||
| I can tell you, not like this. | ||
| No, not like that, but I can understand. | ||
| Like, the mixture of terror and fury. | ||
| That could come along with that would definitely... | ||
| I mean, obviously. | ||
| Especially if I get drunk on air while I'm doing it. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| But that's why you wouldn't do that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's why I wouldn't do that. | ||
| And we're in the situation we're in now. | ||
| There are human responses to things like this where you're unfairly attacked in such a disgusting way. | ||
| I mean, there is a visceral nature to it. | ||
| And I can understand Alex acting like this off air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, 100%. | ||
| Like talking shit with Owen Schroer about how he's going to give a million dollars to find the guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Doing it on air with your lawyer is not acceptable. | ||
| It implies some sort of performance. | ||
| And that's what I sense more than anything else. | ||
| It has nothing to do with thinking that he's guilty or that he's covering up anything. | ||
| I think it's just... | ||
| The way he works is so based on trying to capture attention. | ||
| And this is a really good way to do it. | ||
| Or at least something he thinks that he can spin really well to do it. | ||
| That's the entire vibe that I get. | ||
| That's why he's not interested in having Norm talk about the actual situation. | ||
| He just wants to derail it into, isn't it cool that I'm giving a million dollars? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It does seem like Norm also doesn't know that Alex is doing that either. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| When he showed up, he didn't know this was what he was getting into. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And he hasn't figured it out yet. | ||
| He's still trying to provide good legal advice. | ||
| It seems that way. | ||
| He doesn't realize that he's a prop as much as anybody else. | ||
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You bet. | |
| But it starts to dawn on him, I think. | ||
| I mean, I think it already did when he told him to hit pause and called him young man. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But it just keeps going. | ||
| I bet you sleep real good tonight, little jerk. | ||
| Because your own buddies are going to turn you in, and you're going to go to prison, you little white shoe boy jerk-off son of a bitch. | ||
| I mean, dude, I can't handle them. | ||
| They want war? | ||
| They're going to get war! | ||
| I am sick of these people, a bunch of chicken craps that have taken this country over that want to attack real Americans. | ||
| Well, be the real American, and the real American attacks the right target. | ||
| I'm going to. | ||
| Let's find that target. | ||
| There's no way out of millions of emails that didn't even say child porn, they horned in on it. | ||
| God almighty. | ||
| You're assuming they horned in on it. | ||
| We don't know what the enemy is saying. | ||
| Then whoever did it told them to do it. | ||
| We're going to get them! | ||
| One million! | ||
| One million dollars! | ||
| He's on the street against you! | ||
| You didn't destroy America on time, bitch. | ||
| So there's also, like, the visual of this. | ||
| Like, he's flailing his arms around like crazy. | ||
| And Norm is sitting there just, like, just shaking his head. | ||
| I don't need to see this. | ||
| I know exactly what it looks like. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He's sitting there in his Space Force t-shirt. | ||
| Just, like, eyes jutting around the room. | ||
| Like, a million dollars on the streets! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if it weren't making light kind of a very serious thing, the trafficking of illegal pornography and the victimization that is implied in that, if it wasn't using that as kind of a prop for his own publicity. | ||
| But again, he didn't bring it into his life. | ||
| It's been foisted upon him. | ||
| The person who sent it is obviously the biggest. | ||
| Problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In this whole thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the way Alex is dealing with it is absolutely exploitative still of the situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's just, it would be incredibly comical absent those sorts of variables. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just him, him just going, just going to town while his lawyer is annoyed is a comical picture. | ||
| Yeah, there's no way that he could have done the first half of his show or the first however many hours of this show. | ||
| And pulled it off so... | ||
| like it was just a regular episode of his show. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And then got drunk and exploded if this were something that he felt or secretly thought that somebody in Infowars was guilty of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I don't think so at all. | ||
| It just doesn't make sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| It would be something where you take the day. | ||
| Take the day and meet with Norm off air. | ||
| You take a lot of days. | ||
| Yeah, perhaps. | ||
| I considered the possibility, too, that he can't. | ||
| He needs the money flow coming in, and he takes a day off and has David Knight fill in. | ||
| That slows things down for the donations, for the sales. | ||
| They've been pretty clear about the idea that Alex pushes something, and it's like QVC. | ||
| The sales go up when he pushes stuff. | ||
| So I do think that there's a possibility that he can't afford... | ||
| But even then, come in to work two hours early and meet with Norm. | ||
| Get squared up and then do your show. | ||
| And don't do this! | ||
| If he had any kind of guilty conscience, he couldn't do this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, he was a monster. | ||
| Even then, maybe you need the business to keep going, but I would say staying out of jail for that. | ||
| Publicly is worth far more than anything your business is worth. | ||
| So I would take a sabbatical. | ||
| If it's one of his employees, that destroys the business too. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It would be very hard for him to recover from that. | ||
| And that's, again, why you wouldn't preemptively do something like this. | ||
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Yep. | |
| This isn't damage control if anyone's guilty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It doesn't fly that way. | ||
| Somehow this is damaging yourself. | ||
| This is damaging if you're innocent. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Which makes me think it's exactly what he would do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, the consequence will be unintended and probably come off bad on him, too. | ||
| Yeah, nothing is good. | ||
| No. | ||
| So in this next clip, Norm starts to take it personally that Alex is seeming to act like he's not extreme enough in Alex's defense. | ||
| You will win the lawsuit in Sandy Hook. | ||
| As a matter of law, it was protected speech and not defamatory. | ||
| And they know that. | ||
| So there's going to be child porn put on my servers. | ||
| That may well be the plan that some as yet identified person engaged in. | ||
| We have to identify that person. | ||
| It's easy to make an accusation, hard to prove it. | ||
| Oh, I've made an accusation. | ||
| I'm sure that U.S. attorneys appointed by Obama are sweet little cupcakes. | ||
| No, come on. | ||
| I was never accused of them. | ||
| I didn't come on your show to be made out to look like a naive fool. | ||
| I'm as tough as any lawyer you'll ever meet. | ||
| I'm not saying you're not naive. | ||
| No, I'm sure. | ||
| So this is an attempt at a polite conversation on one end and just a drunk idiot on the other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when we wrap this up, Alex doesn't let fucking Norm say much of anything, but Alex makes sure that he declares war. | ||
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Naturally! | |
| And he has to call his banners. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He has to call. | ||
| He has feudal lords underneath his... | ||
| He has bannermen that he needs to call. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This is not a good crew. | ||
| And so if they want war, you know, it's not a threat. | ||
| It's just like an ACDC song. | ||
| If you want blood, you got it. | ||
| Blood on the streets, man. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I am not going to sit here in my life and have these dirtbags say that I've done these things I haven't done and then know where to go and weasel in and find this perfect thing. | ||
| It's ridiculous how obvious it is. | ||
| Did you think I'd roll over and spray crap out my ass and show my belly and piss on myself to bow down to you? | ||
| You just summoned war. | ||
| So get ready. | ||
| And I'm just asking the Pentagon and the patriots that are left, and 4chan and 8chan. | ||
| Oh, no, don't do that. | ||
| Anybody that's a patriot, I am under attack. | ||
| And if they bring me down, they'll bring you down. | ||
| I just have faith in you. | ||
| I'm under attack, and I summon the meme war. | ||
| I summon all of it against the enemy. | ||
| I will never sell out to these people. | ||
| Anyways, want to say some closing comments? | ||
| Hi, Mom. | ||
| Norm has realized, why am I here? | ||
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That's a complete, like, wow, who gives a shit? | |
| Fuck it. | ||
| So... | ||
| I understand the sort of investigative power, I guess, of people in 4chan and 8chan being able to dig into stuff that might be on the legally dicey side for you or I to do it. | ||
| Because we don't traffic in those sorts of worlds. | ||
| You know, hacking and shit like that. | ||
| But, I mean... | ||
| I don't even have a VPN. | ||
| The FBI could handle that. | ||
| There's nothing in the group of people that he's calling to his aid that a legitimate investigation wouldn't cover. | ||
| But you know what those people do do? | ||
| They dox people. | ||
| They threaten people. | ||
| They're engaged in incitement towards attacks. | ||
| I'm going to leave the Patriots and the Pentagon aside. | ||
| I mean, what is he doing? | ||
| Trying to get the army involved? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The DOD head is like, we gotta get this guy! | ||
| I mean, what he's doing is only introducing his blood on the streets desires, his bounty, into a world full of people that have a tradition, let's say, of causing innocent blood on the streets. | ||
| Metaphorically speaking. | ||
| And it's pretty hard to imagine that Alex isn't aware of that dynamic. | ||
| So I'm torn between two things. | ||
| I'm torn between the idea of the exploitative attention PR stuff. | ||
| Because I think that's a real valid motive. | ||
| And it definitely fits with Alex's MO. | ||
| And then the other side of me is torn towards... | ||
| Alex has lately been really... | ||
| Towing the line about inciting violence. | ||
| He has been using a lot of rhetoric that gets very close to what you might call targeted. | ||
| These people should be fucking taken care of. | ||
| And so when I hear stuff like this and he's banging on a picture of Chris Maddy and not listening to his lawyer tell him, hey, we don't know that this is the person. | ||
| And he's like, no, of course it's them. | ||
| How could it possibly be anybody else? | ||
| A million dollars, blood on the streets, there's a bound. | ||
| How are you going to sleep tonight? | ||
| I find it hard not to hear that and think, well, if someone were to attack that guy, I think Alex would be thrilled. | ||
| It's hard not to hear that. | ||
| I don't know what his primary motivation is, and I'm not sure he does, even. | ||
| I don't know if he knows what he's doing anymore. | ||
| It's just rage, attention, desires, and booze. | ||
| Yeah, I kind of, after reading the stuff, because I was sent as much of it as you were, man, it really seems like people not us shouldn't be allowed to cover Alex at all. | ||
| Like, it should be... | ||
| Everybody should just stop and call us before you do a fucking thing about that. | ||
| Well, because, I mean, you miss so much. | ||
| Because they got so much wrong. | ||
| You miss so much of the landscape of, like, hey, Alex yelled about liking chicks with big tits and freaked out while his lawyer was there. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| But the surrounding context of this freakout and the dynamic that's at play... | ||
| It's very crucial to the understanding of this. | ||
| And I mean, my position is that I don't believe Alex is guilty. | ||
| And I think that were he to be, this would be the ballsiest thing that I think is so far outside his patterns, even as brazen as he is at times. | ||
| Yeah, if there's one thing I know, he's a coward. | ||
| At the same time, should information come out that contradicts what I suggest and I believe right now, I'm willing to believe that it is possible. | ||
| Oh yeah, I'm not going to go to bat for him either way. | ||
| My assessment of the situation is contingent on the information that's available right now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That could all change. | ||
| I do not appreciate people suggesting that he's guilty based off the information that is available now. | ||
| Now granted, you're welcome to have your own opinion. | ||
| I think it's dumb. | ||
| I think it plays into his victimhood narratives and his ability to make money off it. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| So I just think it's unwise as a strategy. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| He must have just been jumping up and down with joy. | ||
| And rage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which are the same. | ||
| Which are the same, yeah. | ||
| Pain and pleasure are equivalent to him. | ||
| Now, this last clip is where it gets kind of like, I think he knows what he's doing and he's trying to get this guy killed. | ||
| Well, yeah, because he wants that guy dead. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the case will be thrown out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he'll get sued again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know how it would work, actually. | ||
| I'm not a legal scholar. | ||
| I think he'd probably go to prison. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I've been wrong in the past. | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| I hope we don't. | ||
| I hope we don't. | ||
| We'll see how Mark Richards turns this one into a thing. | ||
| So, when Alex is... | ||
| Doing all this shit, it's easy to be like, well, he's just screaming. | ||
| He's just blustery. | ||
| He doesn't realize what kind of danger he's putting. | ||
| There's a guy whose picture he's shown on screen. | ||
| It banged on his picture. | ||
| It said, obviously, it's him. | ||
| He's a white shoe boy. | ||
| He's trying to destroy the country. | ||
| And obviously, he's setting me up because they've got to take me down. | ||
| You know, you could pretend he's naive to that. | ||
| But then this last clip, the last 15 seconds of his episode, as the outro music is playing, Alex addresses the idea that people would think he's sending people after people. | ||
| And now, I ask my listeners and everyone, you claimed I sent people. | ||
| I never sent anybody. | ||
| And I want legal and lawful action. | ||
| But I pray to God that America awaken. | ||
| Will Texas be defeated? | ||
| You will now decide. | ||
| This is war. | ||
| The whole time Norm is just sitting there like, oh damn it, why did I get on that plane? | ||
| But you wouldn't... | ||
| I want legal and lawful action. | ||
| You said I sent people. | ||
| I didn't send anybody. | ||
| You wouldn't say that sort of thing unless it was a legitimate concern that your listeners might take that as what you were asking them to do or what you hope someone might do. | ||
| Now, Alex is in a pretty great position because, you know, he said that this is a bounty that only gets paid when they're arrested and then charged. | ||
| Convicted. | ||
| So if someone kills them, he doesn't have to pay. | ||
| Hey, he doesn't have to pay shit. | ||
| And he can make the argument, look, I said I wanted them arrested. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was... | ||
| Well, and the million is until after he's convicted as well. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| He or she. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But... | |
| Man, he's... | ||
| That's... | ||
| Even when he says, I want legal and lawful action, I'm not sending anybody after a guy. | ||
| I want legal and lawful action. | ||
| It's like, well, then why are you giving out a million-dollar bounty? | ||
| Why don't you let the law enforcement deal with this? | ||
| Is this going to go to a cop? | ||
| This is a serious crime. | ||
| You getting sent child pornography is not something that the law is going to take lightly. | ||
| Just because everyone hates you doesn't mean they will be like, ah, who cares about this case? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| It's easy, maybe not easy, but pretty easy to track down who this person is. | ||
| There are digital footprints that are left, and the FBI is in a very capable position to figure out what is going on there, take care of it, find the evidence, preserve the evidence, and charge the person who did this to you. | ||
| The only thing that is sensible to do in this situation is allow the process to go as... | ||
| Is appropriate. | ||
| And if they discover that it was Hillary Clinton, then Alex gets to become king of America. | ||
| That's the law. | ||
| Those are the original rules. | ||
| That's in the Constitution. | ||
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| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, and I understand. | ||
| I do understand how someone could take that exact same kernel of what I just said. | ||
| The idea that, like, why would you do this? | ||
| They're going to investigate this. | ||
| Whatever you hope to find, whatever information you hope to find is going to be found by the investigation if it just follows through. | ||
| And you could take that colonel and use that to justify he knows he's guilty. | ||
| Because why else would you interfere with an investigation? | ||
| And I don't find that compelling. | ||
| No, that's no good. | ||
| Because the PR angle and the trying to target this guy angle... | ||
| Are as compelling as anything else as an explanation for why you wouldn't just let the FBI do their job. | ||
| Yeah, this seems self-destructive. | ||
| This does not seem like he's doing anything that will positively benefit him whatsoever. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It makes me think of the title of the flash-forward, that show. | ||
| The first episode was called No More Good Days. | ||
| It's the main character's daughter. | ||
| Everyone flashes forward to six months in the future and sees what's going on with them six months in the future. | ||
| And his daughter, she thinks she had a dream and she describes it as we have no more good days. | ||
| And that's how I feel about looking at Alex now. | ||
| I see no more good days. | ||
| And I see no more good days for us. | ||
| As we cover the present and as it gets into the future, I can't tell you how much this feels like there's quickening happening. | ||
| This is getting more severe. | ||
| And I understand that this is a situation that is put in Alex's lap. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| I know that it's artificial on some level to what he would like to be covering. | ||
| But the way he's covering it is so irresponsible, so fucked up, that I just... | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I think it's a sign of very bad things to come. | ||
| Very bad behavior. | ||
| You see what's going on with the Iran shit? | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| He's lost his ability to even be the confident false flag guy or confident other position guy. | ||
| He's waffling all over the place. | ||
| His long-time sources of information are split. | ||
| He's gone so far into the Trump world that Joel Skousen doesn't even agree with his bullshit anymore because Joel Skousen's a purist. | ||
| And Alex has gone impure. | ||
| He's a man without a base anymore. | ||
| He doesn't have whatever he enjoyed in the late 2000s and maybe early 2010s. | ||
| Whatever he enjoyed back then of having a home. | ||
| He doesn't have a home anymore. | ||
| He gave up his home to wander and be a, I don't know, be a deadhead for Trump. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's just lost. | ||
| He's lost now. | ||
| He's running out of gas and he's getting mad at the tank. | ||
| That's what's going on. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And I've lost track of this metaphor, but I think he's... | ||
| I'm going to let you go with it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Listen up, young man. | ||
| He's in the desert, man. | ||
| He's in the desert. | ||
| He needs to find his way home or else he's going to starve. | ||
| There's no home. | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| There's always home. | ||
| You just need help. | ||
| You need help. | ||
| Oh, no, I mean for a show and everything like that. | ||
| That's never coming back. | ||
| That could be a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think a show will ever get back to a point where it's not this insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't think it gets better. | ||
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No. | |
| I mean, what he's doing at the end of the show with his lawyer is like... | ||
| So close to illegal. | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| And he's drunk. | ||
| You can't have those ingredients stay together for very long without it crossing the line. | ||
| It's just a matter of time. | ||
| That's why we have to keep looking at the present, even though it's like... | ||
| It sucks and it's painful. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| I think there's a decent chance that we are witnessing the end of times for him. | ||
| At least the show. | ||
| No, I absolutely, if I was anywhere near... | ||
| Alex would be like, we need to stage a fucking intervention. | ||
| He's drinking himself to jail. | ||
| That is where he's drinking. | ||
| And he's drinking all of us out of a job. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, like, we had a good operation here where we could fucking sell these scam pills. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We could stay at, like, a stasis level. | ||
| We could maintain, but because of his own personal ego, defensiveness, anger issues, booze, we're going to end up broke. | ||
| And we're going to be... | ||
| Unemployable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, no one's going to be able... | ||
| No one's going to fucking get it. | ||
| Well, maybe some of the behind-the-scenes people who could just lie and say they took a sabbatical. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like, I took a year up year. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| I wasn't there for the whole thing! | ||
| Someone who's not on camera might be able to transition. | ||
| I am just a cameraman. | ||
| Don't even blame none of this on me. | ||
| All I did was point and find out where he was standing. | ||
| I think it's going to be trouble. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It's clear that for some reason people aren't motivated to do that. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Maybe it's just because Alex is such an angry person that they're scared. | ||
| Or possibly because it's still much... | ||
| Maybe it's way more lucrative than we even understand still. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| And maybe they think there isn't a jeopardy to what the situation is. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| On a human level, he needs help. | ||
| And someone should help him. | ||
| No one is. | ||
| And maybe once shit falls apart, he'll go get help. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| It was Thomas Jefferson who said, evil carries within itself the seeds of its own destruction. | ||
| So, there we are. | ||
| I believe Thomas Jefferson also said, we'll be back on Wednesday. | ||
| But we have a website. | ||
| I believe Thomas Jefferson... | ||
| Donated the domain knowledgefight.com to us. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Also, he's on Twitter. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| At knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| That's Thomas Jefferson's Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then John Adams is at... | ||
| At GoToBedJord. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
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I had to be John Adams? | |
| God damn it. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| Only other name I could come up with. | ||
| Yeah, we are on Facebook and Thomas Jefferson's podcast Knowledge Fight can be found on all podcastual applications. | ||
| Yes, and all sorts of... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| We got a cavalcade of douchebags today. | ||
| Yeah, but I think a lot of them aren't murderers. | ||
| I bet fucking Matt Bracken's killed somebody. | ||
| That guy is scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got a mustache. | ||
| He's no good. | ||
| Freaks me out. | ||
| All people with mustaches have killed. | ||
| I would say Norm Pattis or Joel Skousen are both good candidates for non-murderers. | ||
| It doesn't sound like Norm has killed anybody. | ||
| I would rather honor him with the non-murderer title for his attempts at having Alex understand the situation that he's in. | ||
| Just for saying young man, he gets to know. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Norm Pettis has never murdered anybody, but one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |