Today, Dan and Jordan return to the present day to check in on Alex Jones and see how things are going with him. In this installment, Alex spends a lot of time yelling nonsense about immigrants bringing Ebola to the US, then desperately tries to rekindle his friendship with Roger Stone, and wraps things up by having a full-on religious breakdown on air.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Have you ever worn glasses? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| As a youth, I wore glasses all the time. | ||
| When I was... | ||
| I was born, I had a bunch of eye surgeries when I was really young, and I have a cross-eye that remains to this day, but my vision was way worse when I was a wee boy. | ||
| You had a bunch of eye surgeries? | ||
|
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Oh yeah, yeah. | |
| For the cross-eye or for something else? | ||
| I think that was part of it. | ||
| You know what, I've never gotten a fully straight answer on it. | ||
|
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What? | |
| To be fair, I haven't sought a fully straight answer on it. | ||
| I just know that when I was very young... | ||
| I had multiple eye surgeries. | ||
| I can see fine, but I wore glasses until middle school, junior high, somewhere in there, and then I realized that my vision wasn't super changed by wearing the glasses and not. | ||
| But when I wore the glasses, it made my eyes appear less crossed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I realized it was kind of just a cosmetic thing. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| And so I talked to my eye doctor, and I was like, I don't think I want to wear these anymore. | ||
| People keep making fun of me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And your doctor was like, you're a nerd. | ||
| I keep breaking them, too. | ||
| They're expensive. | ||
| My parents are poor. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| It's no good. | ||
| And the guy was like, yeah, they're probably not going to do much for you. | ||
| So I just decided to go with that. | ||
|
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What the fuck did you give them to me? | |
| Why didn't I give them to you? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I meant you saying that to the doctor. | ||
| Because they probably did it a lot when I was younger. | ||
| When you were younger. | ||
| They probably helped a great deal, but then my eyes grew. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The problem... | ||
| Fixed. | ||
| Or the eye surgeries worked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Or you're actually blind right now. | ||
| I very well may be. | ||
| And you have no idea. | ||
| You don't even have a point of comparison now, do you? | ||
| I couldn't prove it. | ||
| This is just your way of trying to announce to the audience that you got glasses. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They look fantastic. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You're fishing for compliments. | ||
| No, I was not. | ||
| We were talking about it for a short minute before the show started. | ||
| That I used to wear glasses. | ||
| And then my entire head was cleared of everything when I was about to ask you a question. | ||
| I was like, I don't... | ||
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Don't. | |
| What? | ||
| What are things? | ||
| I had another... | ||
| Glasses! | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I Kaiser so say that. | ||
| I just looked around for something on your walls and I was like... | ||
| I saw the glasses right in front of your eyes. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I kind of miss it. | ||
| If I had a choice or if it were something that I didn't feel was just cosmetic, I would probably go back and get glasses. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I think they look good on a head, generally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They look good on a head. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Almost as good as on that ass, right? | ||
|
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| Got them ass glasses. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, well, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| I used to wear glasses. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me about the first and wear the second now all the time. | ||
| Congrats. | ||
| This episode today, Jordan, we are going to be in the present day because a lot is going on in Alex Jones' life. | ||
| And I get the sense that probably by the time this episode comes out, he will have done more bullshit in the present day. | ||
| So, sorry if this isn't up to the minute. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we're going to be going over June 10th and 11th, 2019, which is Monday and Tuesday of this week. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And man, oh man. | ||
| What a time it was. | ||
| This episode, when I was getting it ready, when I was preparing, when I was listening, I thought it was going in one direction, and it definitely did. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And then it became something entirely different. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| It's a rollercoaster ride, so strap it in and get ready. | ||
| Some of it is unpleasant, some of it is completely absurd, and some of it is deeply esoteric. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| So there's a grab bag, a mixture of something for everybody. | ||
| Except for one very specific person that is mentioned in this out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| I'll just be honest. | ||
| I love my daughters more than my son. | ||
| Ooh, that's rough. | ||
| You never like to hear a parent say that. | ||
| Man, I guess... | ||
| Also, coming from Alex, that means Rex is not masculine enough. | ||
| It feels like it might be. | ||
| That sounds like... | ||
| Because Alex would be the guy who's like... | ||
| I need a son. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I need the son of my dreams. | ||
| And Rex is just not that guy. | ||
| I don't want to psychoanalyze any of that stuff other than to say, like, that could do damage to a child. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, hearing their parent rate. | ||
| On radio. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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On national radio. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Rate his love. | ||
| Like, that's no good. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| He could have just said, I'm a psychopath. | ||
| I mean, he kind of did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, there's a group of people for whom my love I cannot rate. | ||
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Nice. | |
| It's all equal amongst them. | ||
| Actually, I feel like the difference in a monetary amount does influence... | ||
| No? | ||
| Not at all? | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Nope. | ||
| The wonks and the technocrats all share the same positive feelings for me. | ||
| And that is why we need to take a moment now before we begin this episode to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| First of all... | ||
| Gabriel, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Gabriel. | ||
| Next, Ed. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Ed. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That TV show, Ed, is now supporting. | ||
| Is now supporting the show? | ||
| No, that's probably not what it is. | ||
| Next, King Yam. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much, King Yam. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Then we got The Lost Minds of Solomon Grundy. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
| Thank you so much, The Lost Minds of Solomon Grundy. | ||
| Feel free to repeat the entire thing on your own. | ||
| And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level. | ||
| We really appreciate it. | ||
| This person I've actually had the pleasure of speaking a little bit with recently about my fantasies of living in an RV. | ||
| So thank you so much. | ||
| Mickey, you are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare... | ||
| Infowar on you! | ||
| Thank you so much, Mickey! | ||
| Thank you very much, Mickey! | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| There's a button that says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| It would be wonderful. | ||
| Ah, Jordan. | ||
| Now I can just think about you being on an episode of Fantasy Island and they're just like, okay, here's an RV, I guess. | ||
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La la la. | |
| How'd that go bad, though? | ||
| I run out of gas? | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| No episode of Fantasy Island goes well. | ||
| I think that's the point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's supposed to be heaven, but it turns out it's hell. | ||
| You want this thing, and then Ricardo Montalban is going to teach you that you're a dick. | ||
| You didn't want that thing. | ||
| From hell's heart, he stabs a thing. | ||
| You want to be famous? | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| Back when I was in college, that was on Hulu, the entire show. | ||
| And I had to do a final. | ||
| I had to write a paper for something. | ||
| And I kept being like, I'll get to the final later. | ||
| I got Fantasy Island to watch. | ||
| I literally used Fantasy Island. | ||
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Fantasy Island? | |
| Yeah, I used it as an excuse not to write a term paper. | ||
| And I assume this was in the 70s, right? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| This was more recent than that. | ||
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It was on Hulu. | |
| Repeats. | ||
| I watched the entire season. | ||
| Finish the term paper. | ||
| Or the whole series. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Finish the term paper. | ||
| Got an A on it. | ||
| I don't know how I did it. | ||
| That was your fantasy island. | ||
| I engaged in what I called improvisational academics for a large part of my college career. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| A lot of stuff was just winging it. | ||
| A lot of stuff was just, hey, can I get a suggestion? | ||
| Can I get a place from the audience? | ||
| And then you wrote a paper. | ||
| Yeah, let's see if this flies. | ||
| At least in the classes that I wasn't interested in. | ||
| Because, you know, any time you're in college, High school, any of it. | ||
| There's going to be a lot of stuff you just have to do. | ||
| That stuff I found, I can bluff real easily. | ||
| But today, Jordan, we're going to start on June 10th. | ||
| And hey, guess what? | ||
| We have a really familiar guest leading things off on Alex's show. | ||
| We're also going to have two of my lawyers on with the Peppy the Frog case. | ||
| I can give you the exclusive on that. | ||
| That has settled as of right now, as of just minutes ago. | ||
| Infowars.com will have the global exclusive. | ||
| In the next 10 minutes, Paul Watson's writing an article about it. | ||
| We'll have a statement by Robert Barnes, and he'll be popping in with Mark Randazza as well at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| Big victory on that front. | ||
| Word is they spent $1,300,000 against us. | ||
| They spent $100,000 fighting them. | ||
| So, Alex is declaring victory in the lawsuit that was brought against him by Pepe the Frog, creator Matt Fury. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| I mean, this is a very predictable turn of events. | ||
| Also very predictable that Robert Barnes would show up again. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| This show is turning into Alex having, like, conference calls with his lawyers. | ||
| Yeah, doesn't that seem weird? | ||
| It is very weird. | ||
| Also, when they lose the lawsuit, doesn't that mean they have to pay the legal fees of the plaintiff? | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| Oh, they did settle. | ||
| It wasn't a loss, per se, but there were stipulations about it, and we'll get to some of that here in a little bit. | ||
| And also, Alex is saying that Matt Fury had to pay a million dollars in legal fees for this case. | ||
| I really doubt that. | ||
| I wonder where he's getting that information from. | ||
| Probably Barnes. | ||
| I wonder if we're going to find out later. | ||
| Anyway, Barnes and Randazza are coming up later. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And so we'll get to them here in a minute. | ||
| But before we do, Alex did something on this episode that I thought was really interesting. | ||
| And I'd only know about it if I'd listened to fucking thousands of hours of his show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it is that he's brought back the fear that he has about the Muslim women at a pool supply shop. | ||
| He brought that back? | ||
| Well, not specifically. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| He used that same structure of seeing people of various classes, of types of people, in places he doesn't want to see them as a justification for a lot of his, we'll just call it white nationalist positions. | ||
| Here he goes again. | ||
| I went to a dental office yesterday that's closed on Sundays, but that my dad owns a piece of. | ||
| What? | ||
| He's a dentist, and he was going to fix a... | ||
| Cracked tooth. | ||
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And I get there. | |
| This is a place I've been going to for 10 years. | ||
| In South Austin. | ||
| And it looked like Guatemala. | ||
| These were not Mexicans. | ||
| These were people in traditional Indian, Guatemalan, and I saw Peruvians. | ||
| And again, nothing against these poor people, but I mean, you know what a... | ||
| Guatemalan looks like. | ||
| You know what a Peruvian looks like. | ||
| And I was like, holy Toledo. | ||
| Because I've been in some of these countries. | ||
| I mean, you know, I've watched PBS. | ||
| I know. | ||
| There were women running around in Indian dresses all over the place and parties in the parking lot and just total insane asylum. | ||
| I was looking at the license plates. | ||
| These people didn't even have license plates, a bunch of them. | ||
| They just do whatever the hell they want. | ||
| That story's convoluted. | ||
| So Central and South Americans are tailgating somebody's dental practice? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know how much of that I can take as like... | ||
| Actual fact reporting. | ||
| But what I can take is a sense of it. | ||
| And the sense that I get is Alex is not enjoying the way people are dressed or are acting. | ||
| It seems like it. | ||
| Central and South American people are acting and dressed in ways I disapprove of. | ||
| Also, my dad owns a piece of a dental practice that I get the hookup at. | ||
| Fixing a crack tooth, I saw people who were from Central and South America wearing clothes different from me, so I gotta tell you about it because they're not supposed to be. | ||
| And that's fucked up. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| They're wearing clothes different from me. | ||
| I mean, it's totally the same thing. | ||
| I went to a pool supply store, I saw Muslim women wearing a hijab, and I thought, oh no! | ||
| Hey, I went to a dental office and some people were having fun in the parking lot and this is an invasion. | ||
|
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Absolutely. | |
| They're coming from all over the place. | ||
| To that I just say, grow up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| To that I say, there's literally a sentence about what you're doing that everyone says, when you do this, don't judge a book by its cover. | ||
| That's one thing. | ||
| The white nationalists always have one immediate visual thing. | ||
| And then they can extrapolate all of that into why Central and South Americans are awful. | ||
| So it's like, you're wearing different clothes. | ||
| Here's everything that you've fucked up in your entire history or whatever. | ||
| Like, what is he advocating for? | ||
| Like, he doesn't have any proof that these were their cars. | ||
| He doesn't have any proof that, like, maybe they didn't just buy the car and they don't have the plates yet. | ||
| He has no reason to suspect that, like... | ||
| Aha, they get away with not having plates. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that gets thrown out the window. | ||
| Now what are the other complaints? | ||
| I don't like this native dress. | ||
| So what do you want to do? | ||
| Regulate their clothes? | ||
| You want to make uniforms for non-white people? | ||
| I want the government to make uniforms for non-white people. | ||
| Are you saying that they shouldn't be able to have fun in a parking lot? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What is the problem here? | ||
| The problem is the behavior and dress of non-white people. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| But according to Alex, South Austin is becoming a third world country. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Which, great. | ||
| But meanwhile, I go over to a place that was a nice area of South Austin. | ||
| It wasn't a rich area, but it was a nice area. | ||
| And everything over the last few years looks like hell. | ||
| The sidewalks are all filthy and dirty. | ||
| And there's a dirty diaper over here and trash cans overflowing and just the collapse of civilization. | ||
| We're not helping them from the third world. | ||
| We're becoming the third world folks. | ||
| So his argument essentially boils down to, like, these immigrants that are coming in have turned South Austin into a third world country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And to that, I mean, the examples that he's using, like a dirty diaper, trash, like, do you think that immigrants are the only people who litter? | ||
| Because I got bad news for you about every city. | ||
| Pretty sure it's only... | ||
| Do you think there's no littering in rural areas? | ||
| No. | ||
| I've never seen any littering in rural areas. | ||
| Like, what is... | ||
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Again, what is the complaint? | |
| Stuff is a little bit dirty. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Clean up, then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you do anything to help clean up? | ||
| Why don't you organize a citizen's group with those sticks that are really sharp that you can poke trash with? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Why don't you do that? | ||
| Or advocate for a fucking soda tech so they have the money to repair those fucking sidewalks. | ||
| Why don't you just, yeah, why don't you look at the problem and find a solution as opposed to finding someone to blame for it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's too difficult. | ||
| So Alex gets into a lot of that. | ||
| He's in a lot of that headspace early on. | ||
| But then Barnes comes along with Mark Randazza. | ||
| And they get into the lawsuit. | ||
| And Alex is really deeply invested in trying to present the position that he won. | ||
| And that they won and all that. | ||
| To the point where he gets a little bit mad at Paul Joseph Watson because his headline that he wrote didn't highlight that enough. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson put the blurb out, Infowars settles Peppy the Frog lawsuit, pays tiny settlement to creator Matt Fury. | ||
| You know, I told Paul the headline was, in major strategic victory was a sub-headline, but Paul does what he wants. | ||
| We'll probably change the headline. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, you contradicted yourself there. | ||
| Paul does what he wants. | ||
| I told him what to do. | ||
| He didn't do it. | ||
| We're going to change it. | ||
| Okay, man. | ||
| A lot of freedom of expression over there at Infowars. | ||
| So, I mean, that's the presentation that Alex wants. | ||
| Major strategic victory. | ||
| We nailed this thing. | ||
| So earlier, Alex said he had to pay a million-something dollars, and all he got was this $15,000, and you very correctly predicted that that information is just bullshit that Robert Barnes is guessing about. | ||
| It would not surprise me at all if they spent over a million dollars in legal fees prosecuting this case. | ||
| It would not surprise me. | ||
| That's a guess. | ||
| That is Barnes going off of the rates that he's charging Alex. | ||
| And Alex is like, yeah, of course it's a million dollars. | ||
| That's a regular amount of money to spend on a lawyer. | ||
| Or just what he assumes. | ||
| He's like, oh, this is a big law firm. | ||
| They must be charging him that much. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| Maybe they're working pro bono. | ||
| Maybe there's a sliding scale. | ||
| Maybe they're interested in the case and they're like, fuck it, we'll do this. | ||
| Maybe they just hate Barnes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe they hate Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what's going on with the lawsuit and what Alex is doing with it and trying to claim strategic victory, it's a really complicated game of who won what that's going on. | ||
| And honestly, it's kind of easy to see how both sides can reasonably claim to have gotten what they want out of it. | ||
| It seems like a rare instance of a high-profile civil case kind of reaching a decent conclusion. | ||
| Like, everyone wins, except in this case, one party is going to lie and pretend that they unilaterally won, which is Alex. | ||
| In the past months, Alex has been screaming about how he's not going to settle that lawsuit. | ||
| He's going to fight it. | ||
| He's gone on and on about how Pepe creator Matt Fury tried to settle initially for a small, undisclosed amount, but Alex said no on principle. | ||
| If I know anything about Alex, it's that he doesn't do courtrooms unless he has to, or unless he's in some kind of position where his business is specifically off-limits and he has the opportunity to grandstand and use the court as a bully pulpit. | ||
| So I knew that that principal stuff was bullshit. | ||
| He was just putting on a brave face because he wasn't sure what he was on the hook for and what he could be liable to end up paying. | ||
| Fury probably initially offered a really high settlement that Alex knew he couldn't pay. | ||
| Alex bravely promised to fight the suit, which helped him raise money for his legal battle. | ||
| And then when it became clear that the most Fury was going to win if he went to trial was $14,000, Alex gladly paid the settlement of $15,000 to end the case. | ||
| If he thought he possibly could win and the most he could lose was $14,000, it makes no sense for him to settle for a higher amount, especially given his previous behavior, unless something about... | ||
| That $15,000 is a payoff for him not to have to disclose his financial information in Discovery. | ||
| Alex gets out of the lawsuit without being forced to show his internal workings, so no matter what, it's a huge win. | ||
| That's great for him. | ||
| I'm happy for him. | ||
| And as for Fury, he didn't want the lawsuit to get rich. | ||
| He wanted Alex and people like Alex to stop using his work to promote a message he opposed. | ||
| And he got that in the settlement, too. | ||
| The reason this became a lawsuit is because InfoWars refused to honor a cease and desist request from him to stop selling their poster with Pepe on it. | ||
| If they'd just stopped, there wouldn't ever have been a lawsuit. | ||
| And here in the settlement, they agreed to put a freeze on sales and destroy all copies of the poster that they still have in stock. | ||
| That's essentially what Fury wanted all along, and he got it. | ||
| InfoWars is no longer using the character, and if they do it again, he could use this settlement against them. | ||
| It's kind of a bummer that Alex can't just be an adult and say that they made a mistake and ultimately they reached a conclusion both sides are happy with. | ||
| That's not Alex's game because he is a big old adult baby and can't behave that way. | ||
| He has to claim victory in every instance lest he lose some sort of appearance of machismo. | ||
| Which is why Rex is his least favorite. | ||
| Rex wouldn't fight this lawsuit. | ||
| Rex would have been like, hey, you know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| We stole that. | ||
| Actually, here's $1,000 just for your travels. | ||
| Let's get on out of here. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| About that $1,000? | ||
| That's a little thing that's missing from a lot of the coverage of this. | ||
| The reason that settlement was higher than the $14,000 that Matt Fury could have won in court is he was kind of trolling Alex. | ||
| The $14,000 was the amount that the court deemed that Alex made off selling the poster, so it was the ceiling of damages that Matt Fury could look for. | ||
| The settlement is for $15,000. | ||
| That extra thousand there is a donation that he forced Alex to make to a charity called Save the Frogs, which seems kind of like poking fun at the guy who yells all the time about how they're turning the frogs gay. | ||
| It's kind of trolling. | ||
| That's pretty funny. | ||
| That's a nice little turn of the screw on that one. | ||
| It really seems like that's probably just to fuck with Alex. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I would guess. | ||
| So Robert Barnes is on, and they're stealing victory from the jaws of defeat, and they're having a great time. | ||
| But you may have heard me mention that Mark Randazza is also there. | ||
| Yeah, what's he doing? | ||
| He is being a real dick. | ||
| To Alex? | ||
| No. | ||
| Or to Barnes? | ||
| In general. | ||
| Or to everyone? | ||
| Just the world. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| So Barnes is presenting this thing. | ||
| It was a strategic victory. | ||
| We have sent the message that if you want to sue Infowars, you can spend a million dollars to get $10,000 back. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's a terrible return on your investment. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And we did this intentionally. | ||
| It was all a plan in order to create the appearance that if you come against us, this is what happens. | ||
| You get financially decimated by trying to hurt us. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's a good play for Barnes. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Now, Mark Randazza just seems sick of the shit and wants to insult Fury and the entire legal process, kind of. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| But in the way he does it, he invalidates a lot of the ways that Alex tries to present himself. | ||
| And the first one, it really invalidates all of Alex's ideas about being... | ||
| Upper middle class and, like, living a restrained lifestyle and I put all my money back into the operation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This is very much like, we're fucking rich, man. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about $15,000. | ||
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The amount that you wound up paying them for a licensing fee, I mean, when we were calculating what it would cost for, you know, your first class flight to LA. | |
| The kind of hotels that we like to stay in and the kind of meals we like to eat, I think our bar tab would have been more than that in L.A. just for the week. | ||
| So that's fucked up. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That's revealing to the audience a little bit of the internal workings. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I dropped 15 grand at the bar. | ||
|
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Uh-huh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's not how Alex likes to pretend he behaves. | ||
| No. | ||
| And he does respond to it like, I stay at Holiday and select. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let Randazza fucking give it up if he needs to. | ||
| Well, I mean, Alex tries to push back a tiny bit like that. | ||
| He's like, you know, I stay at Holiday and select. | ||
| But then Randazza won't stop. | ||
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This amount that you settled this for, I mean, that's a bar tab at a topless club, you know, for one good night. | |
| So, what the heck. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| That invalidates the same sort of we spend money like crazy thing. | ||
| And then also, isn't Alex supposed to be a Christian guy? | ||
| Isn't he supposed to be a good family man and into all this conservatism? | ||
| Like, I spend $15,000 at a strip club. | ||
| Didn't you know he's an Atlanta hip-hop? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| He's an Atlanta hip-hop icon, Randazza. | ||
| He goes to the one tweezy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hanging out with the yin-yang twins. | ||
| Yeah, perhaps. | ||
| Randazza had a little part on Stankonia, actually. | ||
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He had one verse? | |
| He had one verse. | ||
| The artificial member of the Dungeon family, Mark Randazza. | ||
| If you recall, Jordan... | ||
| I recently suggested that Robert Barnes was trying to make a name for himself as the lawyer of choice for the right-wing dum-dum free speech grifters of the world. | ||
| The Cassandra Fairbankses, the Chuck Johnsons, the Alex Joneses, these people that he's taken on as clients recently. | ||
| There's a clear pattern that implies intent in this work. | ||
| If I was accurate in that at all, then this episode here... | ||
| With Mark Randazza and Robert Barnes together is kind of a passing of the baton in some ways. | ||
| Mark Randazza was Alex's lawyer and had tried to represent him in the Sandy Hook trial, but the judge in that case rejected his request to be Alex's lawyer, citing concerns about past, quote, serious misconduct. | ||
| Randazza is not licensed to practice in Connecticut, and so he had applied to be an out-of-state counsel for Alex, which is often accepted just as a matter of formality. | ||
| You're a lawyer, come on, get on in here. | ||
| But it wasn't for him. | ||
| Probably because he's shady as fuck. | ||
| Since he couldn't be Alex's lawyer, Alex needed a replacement, in steps Robert Barnes. | ||
| In the name of defending free speech, Randazza took on Andrew Anglin of the Daily Stormer as a client, as well as white nationalist Paul Nealon. | ||
| White supremacist hero Jared Taylor, Mike Cernovich, Richard Spencer's booking agent, and Gab, the website where people too fucked up for Twitter end up. | ||
| Beyond that, Mark Randazza is a completely inethical fraud of a lawyer. | ||
| He used to be the in-house attorney for a porn company called Liberty Media Holdings. | ||
| Part of his job was to issue takedown notices to streaming tube sites, but in his capacity as Liberty's lawyer, he misrepresented himself to the targets of these lawsuits as being outside counsel and then tried to solicit bribes from them to get them not to pursue legal action. | ||
| He told the lawyer for the website TNAflix, quote, There needs to be a little gravy for me, and it has to be more than the $5,000 you were talking about before. | ||
| I'm looking for the cost of at least a new Carrera in retainer deposits after circulating around the Adult Entertainment Expo this weekend. | ||
| I'm going to want at least used BMW money. | ||
| Uh, you shouldn't say that. | ||
| Allowed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You should say very different things that amount to the same thing. | ||
| You should not say the part where you're like, excuse me, sir, I would like you to bribe me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not a good way to go. | ||
| Yeah, he was trying to be like, well, you know, if we have some sort of financial arrangement, then I can't possibly pursue this action against you because it would be unethical of me to. | ||
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Even though he was working for the other people? | |
| Yep. | ||
| So he was trying to play both sides? | ||
| 100%. | ||
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What an... | |
| Asshole! | ||
| Yeah, he's the worst. | ||
| He thought he was so brilliant, too. | ||
| He probably thought he made up that scam. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He was later working on a settlement with Oron, a file-sharing company, again on behalf of Liberty. | ||
| Liberty was looking for $550,000, and Randazza told Oron if they paid him $75,000, he would, quote, never be able to sue them forever and ever. | ||
| Eventually, Liberty would get wise to Mark's shit and cease relations with him. | ||
| That led to Mark suing them for wrongful termination and a slew of other charges seeking $4 million. | ||
| And then he lost hard. | ||
| This was a huge mistake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Liberty countersued for all the shady shit he'd done while working for them and ended up being awarded $600,000 in damages from him. | ||
| The arbiter in that case found that Mark had, quote, been involved in and successfully concluded negotiations for a bribe, which lawyers are not supposed to do. | ||
| After all this, it should make a lot more sense why he ended up being the favored lawyer of Nazis and white nationalist scam artists. | ||
| He had nowhere else to go. | ||
| Yeah, he had nowhere else to go. | ||
| Yeah, his original hustle was obviously better and paid more, but it blew up in his face, and now no one who needs a legitimate lawyer is going to hire him. | ||
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Ever. | |
| But you know who definitely doesn't want a legitimate lawyer? | ||
| Scammers. | ||
| People like Alex Jones. | ||
| Gab does not want a... | ||
| Fucking ethical lawyer at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so Alex, you know, obviously he's the kind of guy that Alex would want representing him, but he kind of, like, went too far and, like, oh, shit. | ||
| Connecticut won't let you be my lawyer. | ||
| I gotta get Barnes. | ||
| And that's the only reason we fucking know who Barnes is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So Mark Randazza is... | ||
| I don't think he's even Alex's lawyer anymore. | ||
| But he's on... | ||
| What's he doing as a guest? | ||
| He doesn't seem to want to be there. | ||
| No, it sounds like he really doesn't want to be there. | ||
| He's just talking about spending $50,000 at strip clubs. | ||
| Kind of undercutting a lot of the point that Alex tries to make in his victimhood narrative. | ||
| But whatever. | ||
| So Alex has learned from this experience of going through this lawsuit and it ending up him only paying $15,000 that maybe he should always pursue whatever lawsuits come and be an asshole about it. | ||
| And there's a really interesting way that this clip ends. | ||
| And as long as we don't back down, they back us. | ||
| They've been so pissed a few years ago, but I thought I was just saying an apology so I get left alone. | ||
| He's talking about his audience supporting him as long as he doesn't back down, and the lawsuit that he's talking about here is the Hamdi Ulukaya lawsuit. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I didn't get that it was the setup. | ||
| My audience got it. | ||
| They were pissed at me. | ||
| Well, now I get it. | ||
| Hey, audience, I'm not just physically not surrendering. | ||
| Death before dishonor, I get what you're right. | ||
| We're going to raging bull, not back down to anything. | ||
| And that's better. | ||
| I don't even think things through now. | ||
| I can just go with my instincts, be a raging bull, and it seems like that's the best way to go. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And this outcome vindicates that. | ||
| Robert Barnes just heard a cash register. | ||
| That cannot be... | ||
| A lawyer's advice to that statement. | ||
| Keep moving forward. | ||
| Keep fighting. | ||
| I'm just going to do whatever I think to do. | ||
| Or don't think. | ||
| And never consider what the consequences may be before I do them. | ||
| And Barnes is like, hell yes. | ||
| Do that. | ||
| That's because he's getting billable hours. | ||
| And that's awesome for him. | ||
| He's like, yes, absolutely. | ||
| Alex, you have learned that there are no consequences for your capricious actions. | ||
| Homie Ulakaya would have owned your home if you would have acted like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would have made so much money if I was your lawyer back then. | ||
| I would have advised you to yell a racial slur at him instead of settling. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That would be something where if Alex wound up suing Barnes, Barnes would be like, I was on your show. | ||
| I was not acting in the capacity as your lawyer. | ||
| If we were in my office, one, I would have charged you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Two, I would have given you good advice. | ||
| Not great that I was still charging you. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's a mess. | ||
| So their appearance really just boils down to basically that. | ||
| It's declaring victory. | ||
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Go! | |
| Do it! | ||
| Do it! | ||
| It's declaring victory, obfuscating, and Alex's lawyers acting very much not like lawyers. | ||
| So, whatever. | ||
| And then Alex starts talking about how much he loves the free market, which is great. | ||
| But he says that he kind of maybe believed too much in it. | ||
| Which is still a good thing, but also like maybe a deficiency. | ||
| Not entirely sure. | ||
| Doesn't really matter. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| In his rambling about it, he ends up saying something that directly contradicts something he said a bunch of times. | ||
| Is that I was in love with free market, in love with America, and in love with success, and in love with thousands of different angles and ideas. | ||
| And I knew that free market wasn't perfect, but it gave you hundreds of medical choices, hundreds of education choices, thousands, thousands of choices of everything. | ||
| And then I went to third world countries, and I went to communist countries, and I witnessed it, and they'd had two pairs of clothes. | ||
| They didn't have toilet paper to wipe their asses. | ||
| Even though they had 130 IQs on average in Russia. | ||
| Some of the highest IQs in the world. | ||
| They couldn't wipe their ass. | ||
| Because they were under globalism, a system meant to dominate. | ||
| So he says that he's been to third world countries and communist countries, and then the only specific that he gives is Russia. | ||
| And honestly, I don't know what to make of this clip. | ||
| Because I know that in service of defending himself against these allegations that he's a Russian agent, Alex has routinely and aggressively said that he's never been to Russia, but it's a country he'd like to go to someday. | ||
| I'm not sure if any of this means anything other than Alex can't keep his stories straight. | ||
| Because it really sounds like he's saying he's been to Russia in that clip. | ||
| It's almost impossible to hear pronoun reference working any differently in that clip. | ||
| I would bet that he hasn't been to Russia, and that clip is just him talking shit and pretending he'd been there to strengthen his argument about how free market's great and globalism sucks. | ||
| That seems like the simplest explanation. | ||
| However, if he's being honest here in that he has been to Russia, it calls into question all the times he said he's never been there. | ||
| And why would he say that he's never been there? | ||
| Because him traveling to Russia doesn't mean he's a Russian agent. | ||
| No, Bernie traveled to Russia on his honeymoon. | ||
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See, there you go. | |
| Isn't that fun how that works? | ||
| So the only way... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's interesting to me only in as much as it's an anomaly. | ||
| And it doesn't make sense. | ||
| Like, there isn't a real reason to lie if he's lying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then there's also not a reason to embellish... | ||
| Here and imply that you've been to Russia. | ||
| I think he lies for the fun of it now, just to see what he can get away with. | ||
| I think he's just lying about everything. | ||
| Or possibly just lost track. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't even know what I'm saying anymore. | ||
| On the advice of my lawyer, I'm not thinking about what I do anymore. | ||
| I'm off the chain, man. | ||
| I think Barnes is cool. | ||
| I definitely don't think Barnes is fucking with me. | ||
| Means I have good... | ||
| Discernment. | ||
| That's the word. | ||
| So I thought that was strange, that seeming indication that he's been to Russia when he's vociferously said that he hasn't been in the past. | ||
| But it would have probably been like, eh, that's curious. | ||
| But then it was immediately followed up with this. | ||
| So when you hear it's a Russian conspiracy against the New World Order, it's true. | ||
| The Russians don't direct us. | ||
| We don't talk to them. | ||
| The Russians can barely keep their country from the globalists. | ||
| But they were the first. | ||
| In the 20th century, in the 21st century, right as the dawn of the new millennium began, to throw some of the oligarchs off their back. | ||
| And that example, if you let one ant stand up, they might all stand up. | ||
| But America always does it bigger and better, don't we? | ||
| We adopt whatever's successful, and we do it bigger and better. | ||
| And we saw what Russia did, and we saw all the other victories. | ||
| We said, we can do it better than that. | ||
| And so I was there betting on that the whole time. | ||
| And along came Donald Trump, a beautiful opportunist. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| What is he saying? | ||
| I'd like you to try and parse that. | ||
| That seems... | ||
| I can't make heads or tails of it, really. | ||
| Because I don't think that that's a damning indictment in terms of him being like... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I'm in bed with Russians. | ||
| Because, you know, he's saying we don't talk to them. | ||
| No. | ||
| But it does very much imply that he deifies and really idolizes some things about Russia that aren't true. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Does he not realize that though they did remove some of the oligarchs... | ||
| That's all he said, some. | ||
| That's all he said. | ||
| The issue is that... | ||
| Oligarchs remain and they have the same amount of power. | ||
| They just split it between fewer people. | ||
| That does seem like a problem. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And also, he is right. | ||
| We do do it bigger and better as our oligarchs are... | ||
| Definitely more entrenched in power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Little boy. | ||
| And then at the end there, I really wanted to know what he was talking about. | ||
| Because he said, then came Donald Trump. | ||
| A wonderful opportunity. | ||
| A beautiful opportunist. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Does that mean that he did... | ||
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Is he kind of implying that Russia did help? | |
| It seems like it. | ||
| Specifically, it really does seem like Trump saw his opportunity. | ||
| Because what's the opportunism? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just... | ||
| The state of the country? | ||
| I mean, that's the most benign explanation. | ||
| Or somebody offering a large amount of assistance in order to... | ||
| See, I don't think that the state of the country is something you would describe as being opportunistic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would see that as being, like, insightful of the times or something like that. | ||
| Because opportunistic has a sneaky... | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's implying something real fucked up. | ||
| A beautiful opportunity. | ||
| The problem is that he never explains what he means by it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because he gets sidetracked talking about being an opportunist. | ||
| Oh, so now he's going to implicate himself in some shady shit? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| By the way, I'm an opportunist. | ||
| I'm a trailblazer, too, but I'm everything. | ||
| I'm evil, too, but good runs my life. | ||
| God's in control of me, but I can see into every avenue. | ||
| And I remember being in high school and some guys being a jerk to his hot girlfriend or college, treating her like crap. | ||
| She's leaving the party. | ||
| I'm like, hey, sweetheart, I'm not going to be mean to you. | ||
| I'm going to make you feel good. | ||
| And I'm not bragging like I'm some Casanova. | ||
| I just like girls. | ||
| I'm better today. | ||
| I'm married. | ||
| I've got four kids. | ||
| But, you know, I was an opportunist. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Buddy, you won't treat her bad because she's so good looking and you've got a problem and you're upset because whatever, you're so jealous. | ||
| You've got a girl that's hot. | ||
| I'm not going to be jealous. | ||
| I'm going to take good care of her. | ||
| So yeah, I'm an opportunist. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's being a manipulator. | ||
| I think that is what he thinks an opportunist is. | ||
| I think if I'm understanding his definition and the way that it applies to... | ||
| To Trump being an opportunist, America is like that super hot girl who is with an abusive government. | ||
| The globalists. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And Trump steps in and he's like, hey baby, I am a lot like Alex Jones in that I am lying to you right now and later I will scream at you after fucking you over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It does seem like if that's the analogy that he's making, it doesn't look good. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's really creepy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why is he telling that story? | ||
| His show is just wall-to-wall, why are you saying that? | ||
| There's so many times that I'm like, hmm, a better broadcaster would have found a better way to express the metaphor that you're hoping to make there without sounding like a real creep. | ||
| So, like, that's real fucking bizarre and strange. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it only spirals even further from there, which again I think is why he doesn't explain what he means by Trump being an opportunist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he just starts like rambling. | ||
| This is just the, this is so weird. | ||
| If they destroy me, I win. | ||
| If I beat them, I win. | ||
| I don't lose because I'm focused on justice and truth and Americana and I think it's sexy and I'm in love with it and I'm having sex with Americana. | ||
| I'm in love with it. | ||
| It's like a big sexy woman with all the curves and all the power and the thunder shooting out from between them thighs, baby. | ||
| And I want to take this country, and I want its ideas to take the world over for freedom, and I want the planet to explode with human activity, and I want to spread throughout the cosmos, and I want our project to look back on us and say, we're winners in one constant connection. | ||
| And thank God our ancestors got us through that crap and got us off the ground so we could have communion with God in the stars and beyond. | ||
| And that's God's plan. | ||
| It's already going to happen. | ||
| Let me tell you, the devil's going to have his hour of power. | ||
| It's going to be hellish. | ||
| This pivoted fast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This, in a matter of a minute, went for, I'm fucking Americana, it's got curves, it's great, we're gonna commune with God in the stars. | ||
| I really, really feel like he just did that part on a bet. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that whole weird... | ||
| There's like a bounty on him saying, I'm having sex with Americana. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's some whole... | ||
| A prop. | ||
| It reminds me of the meow in Super Troopers, where he's like, how many times can you say meow in that? | ||
| And he's like, okay, how many times can you reference pulling open Americana's thunder thighs? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, it does feel that way. | ||
| And he's not done. | ||
| Billions are going to get killed in the end, but let me tell you something, sweetheart. | ||
| You don't think God created this planet so people like Nancy Pelosi and Lord Rothschild and the Queen of England would be running the show, do you? | ||
| What about Soros? | ||
| They were only there to test us. | ||
| We're going to go to break by the Paul Watson. | ||
| I'm going to leave it at this. | ||
| In fact, without even getting into the big specials, the big sales, all the rest of it, if you want to see war against tyranny, if you want to see commitment, if you want to see 10 new reporters hired, and you want to see us even more effective, you've seen what we've done with all the other great reporters and the Millie Weebers and the Caitlin Bennetts and the Owen Troyers and everything we're doing, that energized me. | ||
| Because I want to throw my fist. | ||
| You ever have those dreams where you want to throw your fist at somebody but you can't hit them hard and it just doesn't do anything? | ||
| Here's my fist, ready to ram down the throat of the globalists and tear their heart out, politically. | ||
| Lovingly. | ||
| Lovingly. | ||
| But only you can take this fist from not being able to move to focusing, getting ready, and then energizing. | ||
| And I'll reach right down their throat and grab their heart, and I'll tear it out even if they shove a sword into me. | ||
| But I want the victory when they shove that sword in me. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| I want victory over them! | ||
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We will crush their spirit with Jesus Christ's power! | |
| We are unstoppable! | ||
| But you must loose it now! | ||
| Loose it! | ||
| Loose it! | ||
| That's a little upsetting. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| I mean, that two minutes, the ride is pretty bizarre. | ||
| Like, you know, I'm fucking Americana. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're in an open relationship. | ||
| I'm married, but I'm having sex with the idea of the 1950s. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're going to go to the stars and commune with God, but we can only do that if I can politically murder the globalists, and that can only happen if you give me a bunch of money so I can have Jesus Christ power. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, I think you summed that up pretty well. | ||
| That's disturbed kind of shit. | ||
| Every time we get, even whenever he's like, you ever have that dream where you're trying to punch somebody and you just can't get there? | ||
| He's like, no. | ||
| No, every time you give me an idea of what your dreams are, I am more and more scared of you. | ||
| I think that's a pretty common dream. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I've definitely had a dream where I'm in a fight and I can't swing. | ||
| Or, like, I want to run and I can't run. | ||
| There's, like, physical limitation dreams. | ||
| I'm sure it means something. | ||
| But I can't remember the last time I had one, but I know I have. | ||
| Like, it's something that, like, that didn't sound that crazy to me. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| That sounded crazy to me. | ||
| The rest of it. | ||
| Bananas, batshit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know why I fixated on the dream part. | ||
| Because I guess the fucking Americana just slides off my back now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Maybe it's a piece of me and Alex's psychology that's missing from you that causes that sort of a dream to manifest. | ||
| Which is why you guys are connected on some kind of a superhero, supervillain level. | ||
| We're actually Eskimo brothers. | ||
| I, too, am fucking Americana. | ||
| That's what's going on. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Throughout the day, he's had one varsity narrative that he's been pushing. | ||
| And I'm going to play this clip here, and then we will discuss it. | ||
| And it's really, really, really bad. | ||
| All right, I got a little bit late back in studio because I'm working with three different teams of reporters in San Antonio and on the border with the thousands of... | ||
| Of Congonese, that's folks from the Congo, Central Africa, where the second biggest, they're saying it's about to be the biggest Ebola outbreak in history took place. | ||
| Immigrants cause disease. | ||
| They're trying to flee Ebola. | ||
| So smugglers bring them into Central America. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| They don't stay there. | ||
| They come here because they can get free welfare. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And there's now reportedly over 1,000 in San Antonio. | ||
| And thousands more coming across, because I've made more phone calls, I've talked to more sources, and the Border Patrol is saying, we're not even allowed to keep them, we're not even allowed to test them, we are overwhelmed. | ||
| I mean, we're talking for every border agent, maybe 100 to 200 people come across a day. | ||
| So, Alex's big narrative here that he's pushing, I mean, first of all, we're fucking back to Ebola. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| It's been a few years, now we've got it coming back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Real fun. | ||
| His idea is that he has a border patrol source that he's talked to and they're not checking people and all this, but this Ebola narrative is really Alex's main talking point for the day. | ||
| I resisted cutting clips of it earlier in the show, and I think the reason is that I felt like it was just a slightly more specific version of the immigrants are bringing disease narrative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And as important as it is to remind people that this is a big part of his rhetoric, I don't want to flog a dead horse and play every example of him being that same kind of a dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This was such a constant thread being brought up through the show, though, and I felt it was important to address it. | ||
| And I also feel like it's an escalation in the narrative quite a bit. | ||
| For most of the show, Alex is presenting the story as coming from a source that he has in ICE and Border Patrol. | ||
| They've tried to contact Fox News about it, but Fox has refused to cover the story. | ||
| Alex sees this as evidence that he is one of the last truthful and brave news outlets out there, when in reality, if any of his backstory for this information is true, it's way more likely that Fox realized that this is the sort of rhetoric that could incite militias and white nationalists near the border to start shooting black people and immigrants they assume might be from the Congo. | ||
| If any of what Alex is saying about his alleged sources contacting Fox first is true, I see that as evidence that even Fox News might have a line in the sand, whereas Alex doesn't. | ||
| One of the things that makes Alex incapable of understanding how wrong about this story he is is that he sees all immigrants as one thing, as opposed to people with individual stories and experiences. | ||
| If he'd even spent one second considering what these Congolese immigrants who have arrived in San Antonio have gone through on their way to the U.S., he would know that it's virtually impossible for any of them to have Ebola. | ||
| For one, most of them traveled from Africa to Cuba, then to South or Central America and made their way up. | ||
| It's not a fast trip, and most of them left their home country six months ago. | ||
| The incubation period for Ebola is 21 days, so if any of them had caught Ebola before they left, they would have died on their way here. | ||
| The fact that they've been on their way to the U.S. for months and none of the immigrants who arrived here are symptomatic of Ebola in any way means they do not have Ebola. | ||
| And I can say for certain that none of them were symptomatic because Alex is lying about the immigrants not being checked. | ||
| San Antonio Assistant City Manager Colleen Bridger, who has a Ph.D. in health service research and a master's in public health, has gone on the record and said that immigrants have all, quote, been screened by the federal government before being released into the United States. | ||
| She also points out that the idea that there's some unwashed mass of people is absurd, and many of the people who arrive here as refugees are coming from countries with higher vaccination rates than parts of the United States. | ||
| Bridger is quick to point out that there have been some illnesses with the immigrants. | ||
| That's definitely true, but not the kind Alex is worried about. | ||
| Quote, We are seeing what I characterize as stress-related illness. | ||
| We're having some cold, some upper respiratory infections, and that's to be expected with the stress they've gone through on their way here. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| Fear is addictive. | ||
| And Alex is pushing these narratives, and it has a real consequence. | ||
| In that clip I just played, he's talking about having teams in San Antonio that he's in communication with. | ||
| He has multiple news teams down there. | ||
| And what ended up happening is that some of his employees, Owen Schroer in particular, barged into a migrant resource center and began yelling at people about Ebola. | ||
| From there, the rumors began to swirl around so aggressively that the city of San Antonio had to hold a press conference the next day to explain to people basic science about how six months is longer than 21 days and these people aren't bringing Ebola into the country. | ||
| That's stupid, that's paranoid, white nationalist, nativist fear that is being manifested. | ||
| If you read some of the stories of these refugees, you get kind of the sense of the type of people that Alex wants you to see as a mortal threat to your safety. | ||
| Jean-Paul Kakweni was a public opponent of Joseph Kabila, who was known for his oppressive crackdowns on political dissent, the media, and civil liberty. | ||
| Quote, I was tortured. | ||
| I have a lot of bad memories of my life. | ||
| That's what led him to flee and seek refugee status here in the United States. | ||
| Jean-Paul is just one story of the approximately 350 immigrants who arrived in San Antonio from Africa this week. | ||
| And unfortunately, I can't tell you all their stories. | ||
| But I can tell you with 100% certainty that none of their story is, I have Ebola. | ||
| There aren't words strong enough for what Alex is doing. | ||
| There's a danger to his rhetoric that I pray he doesn't realize. | ||
| Because if he knows what he's doing, I can come to no other conclusion than he's trying to get these people killed. | ||
| Alex doesn't have some great source that's feeding him this shit. | ||
| It's the same as every other source he pretends to get info from. | ||
| It's probably a caller pretending to be in Border Patrol or some fucking idiocy one of his interns found on 4chan. | ||
| And what he's doing is supremely irresponsible. | ||
| This is white nationalism of an incredibly dangerous variety. | ||
| If any of these immigrants are attacked, their blood is on Alex's hands. | ||
| And I say that without qualification. | ||
| Good. | ||
| We're finally in agreement. | ||
| I've been saying that since we started. | ||
| And one of the reasons that I take that hard a stand is because Alex goes on to say things like this. | ||
| And Mexico's like that. | ||
| Mexico's had civilization collapse. | ||
| They've had, well, we're about to be the same. | ||
| And then it just comes down to men with guns. | ||
| Because our own government wouldn't put men with guns on the border and wouldn't give them the authority. | ||
| So he's advocating for men with guns to protect the country from the scourge that he's yelling and warning people about. | ||
| And this entire episode is so much about the Congolese and Angolan immigrants that have come to San Antonio. | ||
| It's very specific, the context that he's speaking in. | ||
| Men with guns need to protect us from these African immigrants that are coming in. | ||
| They probably have Ebola. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's a deep, deep escalation of that immigrants have disease. | ||
| Because of the fear that he also attaches to Ebola. | ||
| It's frustrating. | ||
| I know we've talked about this before, but the fact that these assholes will never say what they want. | ||
| You know, he's just like, hey, these people are coming in and the government won't put people with guns at the border. | ||
| He won't say the next part where he wants what he wants those people to do. | ||
| He wants those people with guns to shoot the people who try and get into the country. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You should be forced to say the ultimate goal of your actions if you're going to do something so violent. | ||
| It becomes so undefensible to say those things if you vocalize the other part. | ||
| And it just seems like there's no other outcome that would satisfy him. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There's just none. | ||
| No, and he's pretending that they're not people who came over and then turned themselves in and pled refugee status. | ||
| What they're doing isn't illegal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's specifically legal. | ||
| In fact, it's very legal, yes. | ||
| So yeah, he's trying to basically create and normalize. | ||
| In his communities, it's probably already completely normalized. | ||
| But the idea that immigrants who come in and are trying to apply for refugee status should be shot. | ||
| If they come into the country. | ||
| Because it's an illegal encroachment of the country and they probably have diseases. | ||
| And Ebola, you know, it could become airborne any minute. | ||
| And if it does, oh my god, these Congolese people who have come in are trying to do that to you. | ||
| Yeah, it's disgusting. | ||
| It seems like he wants to live in his castle. | ||
| He wants Austin to have giant castles built all around it. | ||
| And then he wants Texas to have even bigger castles built all around that. | ||
| And nobody gets in or gets out. | ||
| And there are people standing on the fucking parapets ready to shoot. | ||
| A metaphor of the Alamo. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| His fantasy version of it. | ||
| Fucking disgusting. | ||
| So Alex sent a ton of reporters out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was Owen Troyer and some people. | ||
| How many reporters does he have? | ||
| I mean, how many of them are really kind of just freelancing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| He could call them. | ||
| I don't think really works for him, but she freelances. | ||
| We'll get to her in a little bit. | ||
| But Owen Schroyer's out there, you know, they got some footage, but there's a problem, and that is that none of them are bilingual. | ||
| Oh, my fucking God. | ||
| They can't understand any of the things that are being said. | ||
| And they, of course, didn't bring a translator. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They did bring Google. | ||
| God love my reporters. | ||
| They're such good guys. | ||
| They're like, well, these people speak French. | ||
| We don't understand them. | ||
| And I said, use a Google translator. | ||
| Because I've been doing this during the breaks. | ||
| But I'm not complaining. | ||
| But I'm just saying, I'm doing a lot of multitasking. | ||
| I'm like, get a Google translator and ask them in French. | ||
| That's the second language in there. | ||
| Why did you leave? | ||
| What are your fears? | ||
| It's not how you ask people questions. | ||
| And they tell them. | ||
| Ebola. | ||
| You might think that's newsworthy. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Does it matter? | ||
| It's in French. | ||
| Quoi? | ||
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Ebola? | |
| Africans fleeing the Congo. | ||
| Africans fleeing Ebola arrive in Texas. | ||
| We have it confirmed. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| But so what? | ||
| Even if it was true. | ||
| Fleeing Ebola is fine. | ||
| It is. | ||
| As long as there's control mechanisms in place. | ||
| You don't want the disease to spread. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| We've been aware of Ebola for long enough. | ||
| That people are checked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not as crazy a thing as Alex is suggesting. | ||
| But the idea that like six months ago these people left the Congo or Angola because they were afraid of the outbreak that was happening and the Ebola that was popping up. | ||
| For them to express that is not in any way an indication that they are in any way more likely to have Ebola. | ||
| Like if Alex right now sees all these African folk coming in who he thinks have Ebola, they're coming into Texas. | ||
| So he decides to leave Texas and, I don't know, sets up shop in Massachusetts. | ||
| And someone's like, why did you move to Massachusetts? | ||
| I was afraid of Ebola. | ||
| Doesn't mean he is any more likely to have it than these refugees. | ||
| So he can go fuck himself. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| Also, I'm not going to accept Google Translate results as evidence of anything. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that even with help they can translate French, which is a marginally simple language. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why don't any of your staff know another language? | ||
| I bet they don't know Spanish, even. | ||
| They live in Texas. | ||
| Oh, they absolutely probably don't know Spanish. | ||
| Because American. | ||
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| Is the language. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
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Of the West. | |
| On the resume, if you have bilingual in there, it's immediately tossed out. | ||
| Because you're a traitor for knowing another language. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why I think it's so important that people study languages. | ||
| I think it's a really good thing to be bilingual. | ||
| Even if you... | ||
| I don't think anybody... | ||
| I think only white nationalist lunatics disagree with you. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people who think, like, it's just something you can do or not do. | ||
| Whereas I actually think that it really expands your mind to learn other languages. | ||
| Not just because of the vocab and all the practice of that, but you start to get a sense of how other people express themselves. | ||
| There's a really empathic quality. | ||
| I support it wholly. | ||
| And I think that's part of the reason why ding-dongs like these assholes are averse to it. | ||
| Because it does open your mind. | ||
| You start to... | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I'm not going to get on a soapbox. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex is complaining that no one else will cover this story. | ||
| And I suspect that that's because no one is nearly as white nationalist as him. | ||
| Not even Tucker Carlson will go that far. | ||
| Give him a couple days. | ||
| He probably will. | ||
| He'll just wait and see how the test run on Alex's show goes. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And then Steve Doocy will be doing it the day after that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Alex is talking about that, and he brings in Mike Adams, the health ranger. | ||
| And, man, Mike is so fucked up. | ||
| What he says in this next clip is like, hey, glad you got kicked off Facebook, you prick. | ||
| The Border Patrol, and I'm not bragging, I feel horrible, has to call me because no one else, one TV station's reporting on this, Mike, which means the kibosh is on it. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Aside from the psychological context here, something very important to understand is that this invasion, this is a bioweapons invasion of America, and it's being combined. | ||
| With what you wanted me to come on and talk about, which is the censorship of vaccine truth information. | ||
| And Gerald Solende is coming up, and we'll take one segment from him and get into detail on that. | ||
| But exactly, it's all tied. | ||
| They want to censor us ahead of this move. | ||
| This outbreak is being engineered to happen. | ||
| They want this outbreak to happen. | ||
| And then they have to completely control the narrative so that no one can come online and question the safety of... | ||
| The Ebola vaccine. | ||
| No, I totally agree. | ||
| Like you said yesterday, the clampdown is ahead of the big event. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, I think that there is no worse thing you can say than take people who are seeking refugee status here and call them a bioweapon invasion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because what do you do? | ||
| What do you do with an illness? | ||
| You try and eradicate that illness. | ||
| What do you do with a bioweapon? | ||
| Look at the country as a body, right? | ||
| This illness has come in. | ||
| You have to get antibodies to that illness. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Well, Alex has already suggested it's men with guns. | ||
| This sort of language in this context is absolutely unacceptable. | ||
| I mean, they have the right to say it, but they should know, or I hope... | ||
| The society works in such a way that there's consequences for behaving like this. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost like I want radio listeners to have cookies. | ||
| You know, like, how many directly traceable cookies can we get back to Alex Jones and Mike Adams as far as fucking body count? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it seems like people have traced Ben Shapiro, the inspired terrorism. | ||
| Pretty neatly. | ||
| But I think also even in those cases, you know, those people still went to Alex's site. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's not fair for us to fully blame or anything like that. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| This sort of language exists in a universe of media consumption that this is a very radicalizing aspect of. | ||
| It's very scary. | ||
| Mike Adams calling All immigrants and invading bioweapon is insane. | ||
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| That is the least empathic thing that I think you could possibly do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I think Mike is one of these dudes, too, who, like, I think we maybe should pay more attention to him. | ||
| Because I think, especially recently... | ||
| The times that he's been on, he's been the one who's pushing Alex further. | ||
| Like, when he came on and talked about the Trump declaring a state of emergency, the Insurrection Act type stuff, he was the one who was pushing for, like, we need to lock up our enemies. | ||
| You know, Alex is obviously on board with that, but Mike was the one who was making it okay for Alex to be that way. | ||
| Yeah, he was spearheading it, so Alex went on a wakeboard. | ||
| And here Alex is implying... | ||
| That they're a biochemical, bioweapon invasion, but Mike's the one who's overtly saying... | ||
| Straight up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you might think that Mike has some sort of a good argument about this Ebola threat being real, right? | ||
| You might think that when everybody who knows anything about science, who understands the situation... | ||
| Science is a globalist plot, Dan. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| People saying things is a globalist plot. | ||
| In the mainstream media? | ||
| When they say it's real, it's fake. | ||
| When they say it's fake, it's real. | ||
| That's exactly what we're witnessing now. | ||
| That's called being a baby. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's called thinking poorly. | ||
| Yeah, you are stupid. | ||
| That is dumb. | ||
| For a group of people that pride themselves on, like, logic and critical thinking, like, if you express something like that, like, just because X says Y, Y is not true. | ||
| So you just, uh, that's the kind of thing where if someone says that, you just gotta walk away from them. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like, alright, man. | ||
| Or join their cult. | ||
| You're oppositional defiant to a level that is just like... | ||
| How do you live? | ||
| I think he's pre-gaslighting us? | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| Yeah, he's priming us for his eventual gaslighting? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So, as we know, years ago, there was some Ebola that did manage to end up in the United States. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| It was taken care of incredibly efficiently. | ||
| No, I'm pretty sure it was a soft launch and the globalists were thwarted once again by Alex and his ilk, and now they're going back to the same plan. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| But... | ||
| I know from researching that, because we did an episode about Alex's coverage of the 2013 outbreak. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I know from researching that that the media was covering it. | ||
| I know that people were talking about it, but Alex seems to think now in 2019 that the media covered it up back then, which I can say categorically is not true. | ||
| Here's Alex Lyon. | ||
| It's now admitted in 2019 that five years ago... | ||
| Ebola did show up in Texas, Georgia, New York, and other areas, and people were kept in secret wings. | ||
| I was reporting at the time at InfoWars.com. | ||
| Mike Adams was spearheading it at the time at NaturalNews.com. | ||
| And everyone else was covering it up. | ||
| Not true at all. | ||
| Absolutely a rewriting of history. | ||
| By that reasoning, though, were the media to cover it, Mike Adams would assume that it was not true. | ||
| It would have to be, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they want it both ways. | ||
| It doesn't fucking matter. | ||
| They're just bad at making arguments and they appeal to that sort of distrust. | ||
| They pretend it's a healthy distrust, when in reality it's an abusive distrust. | ||
| So, anyway, Alex in this next clip, this is the last one from the 10th, from June 10th. | ||
| This is just deeply irresponsible, the way he's characterizing these immigrants who have come into San Antonio. | ||
| Why would the captured federal government, Trump only controls part of it, be bringing in thousands of Africans to Texas alone, fleeing the Congo with what they're now saying is the second or largest outbreak ever? | ||
| Maybe to save fucking lives. | ||
| All over San Antonio are just thousands of people. | ||
| Wandering around. | ||
| We've talked to the Border Patrol. | ||
| They say, Alex, it's not 300. | ||
| It's thousands. | ||
| Over a thousand in the last few days. | ||
| And I even found an article. | ||
| So, I mean, he's just saying that they're wandering around San Antonio. | ||
| If you are someone who believes him and you believe that these people might have Ebola and they're a threat and there's thousands of them wandering around, how do you know if someone that you see wandering around San Antonio is a... | ||
| Immigrant from the Congo. | ||
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Ooh, ooh, ooh. | |
| I know, I know. | ||
| Their skin is different. | ||
| I mean, it does lead to a suspicion of everybody who might be from the Congo. | ||
| I mean, you understand? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It almost seems like it doesn't even matter if they're from the Congo. | ||
| Any black person wandering around San Antonio is now officially, according to Alex, suspicious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| We should stop and inspect every single black person walking around. | ||
| That's the only way to be safe. | ||
| That's the only way to be safe. | ||
| And that's what we want. | ||
| We need to be safe. | ||
| So let's just stop every black person. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Give them a good frisk. | ||
| I understand fully that that's not what Alex is saying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's what he's implying. | ||
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| That's what's beneath. | ||
| The rhetoric that he's putting out. | ||
| And he hides, much like that, you know, you need men with guns on the border. | ||
| He's avoiding saying the part that is the real-world application of the rhetoric that he's putting out. | ||
| Men on the border stopping immigrants. | ||
| You are wanting them to be shot if they try and enter the country. | ||
| Especially considering... | ||
| There's thousands of these people wandering around San Antonio. | ||
| You want everyone to be suspicious of anyone who looks like they might be African. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what you're doing. | ||
| Especially in the context of today where he's talking about we need men with guns on the border. | ||
| There are border militias with guns who have killed people. | ||
| We need to monitor every black person in San Antonio. | ||
| Cops kill people all the fucking time! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For nothing! | ||
| Yep, I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| God! | ||
| So we get to the 11th, and I've studiously avoided trying to play any... | ||
| Rainbow Snatch material. | ||
| Millie Weaver's character that she does. | ||
| I believe you forgot the adjective brilliant. | ||
| Brilliant character. | ||
| Brilliantly opportunistic. | ||
| For those of you who don't know, Millie Weaver is an employee of Alex Jones. | ||
| She puts on a character named Rainbow Snatch, which she believes is some sort of a parody of feminism and the left and the excesses of the LGBT community or something. | ||
| Yeah, it just kind of seems more weird on her part. | ||
| Yeah, it's usually pretty dumb. | ||
| So she went out to Pride and... | ||
| I want you to put your mic down because this is going to make you a little bit, like, screamy, possibly. | ||
| But I really want you to hear what her bit is when she goes out there. | ||
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Hey, guys! | |
| It's your favorite vlogger, Rainbow Snatch. | ||
| Viewer discretion is advised. | ||
| It's Pittsburgh Pride 2019. | ||
| Yes, queen! | ||
| Let's go see what some of these LGBTQ allies and friends have to say. | ||
| Should we impeach Trump? | ||
| Mike Pence for president! | ||
| Mike Pence! | ||
| Mike Pence for president! | ||
| Yeah, Mike Pence! | ||
| You guys want Mike Pence? | ||
| Mike Pence? | ||
| You want Mike Pence for president? | ||
| No! | ||
| Probably not! | ||
| So the bit seems to be highlighting Mike Pence's homophobia. | ||
| It seems to be taking his hatred of gay people as a virtue almost. | ||
| It's like, oh yeah, you want to impeach Trump? | ||
| Well, guess what you get then? | ||
| It's almost a threat. | ||
| It's a very weird setup for a bit, because normally you'd probably want to be like, Mike Pence doesn't hate gay people, he just has traditional values. | ||
| But this seems to be making very overt that Millie Weaver, at least, is very conscious of the fact that should Mike Pence be president, things would be very bad for the LGBT community, and she's wielding that almost as a trump card, kind of, to like, you think you want Trump impeached. | ||
| Be careful what you wish for, jerk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| It's not comedy. | ||
| I'm confused. | ||
| Is she parodying people? | ||
| Because she's almost more an effective parody of what the hard right thinks they are parodying. | ||
| Trust me, it's not that. | ||
| She's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She might be a genius. | ||
| No, she's not. | ||
| I've seen enough of her work to know she's not. | ||
| On the second level. | ||
| No. | ||
| I went through this with Ann Coulter ten years ago, thinking it's a brilliant parody of commentary. | ||
| No, they just can't go lower. | ||
| Or they can always go lower. | ||
| And I just don't think it's well thought out, because there's probably some kind of bit you could do along these lines that might have something to it, but this just seems hostile. | ||
| It really just seems like, you know, I don't want Trump impeached. | ||
| You do. | ||
| If you get what you want, your survival's at risk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Is there a bit? | ||
| I mean, that's it. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That's the whole thing? | ||
| It's kind of a display of cruelty as a bit. | ||
| So her plan was to go to the Pride Parade. | ||
| And bum people out. | ||
| And say, you want Trump impeached? | ||
| And they go, yeah! | ||
| And then she says, you love Mike Pence. | ||
| Was she trying to catch them not knowing? | ||
| Like a Jay Leno man on the street where they're like, yeah, we want Mike Pence! | ||
| See, they don't know anything about politics at all. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It was more a, like, get people excited about Trump. | ||
| Being impeached. | ||
| And then bringing them down to earth with the, well, don't you know that Pence would be president then? | ||
| Which is... | ||
| Oh, that's just being a dick. | ||
| Yeah, and also there's a fundamental thing that's like, yes, people are drunk at the pride parades. | ||
| People are drunk at all street festivals and things like that. | ||
| So if you're going out and you're like, I'm trying to do a serious piece of reporting, it's like, people are fucked up. | ||
| They don't want to talk to you. | ||
| Like, haha, I caught them not realizing in a drunken moment of exuberance that Mike Pence would be president if Trump was impeached. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| What point are you making? | ||
| The only point is bringing up Mike Pence's homophobia, which is something that they should be not celebrating? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| Also, I propose a new amendment that I think we can all agree on. | ||
| Parades are hallowed ground. | ||
| No, like, man-on-the-street interviews during a parade. | ||
| Just have a great time. | ||
| No political bullshit. | ||
| Most of the time, those organizers of events like that require people who are doing interviews to have press passes. | ||
| But it's very hard to control the flow of people. | ||
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| And so people end up generally being able to skirt those rules, especially if you're just recording on, like, an iPhone. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
|
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Can't you just let people have a good time at Pride? | |
| Nope. | ||
| Not if you're Rainbow Snatch. | ||
| The world's greatest satirist. | ||
| Mark Twain of our times. | ||
| Rainbow Snatch. | ||
| So Alex comes back in and he's still on this African immigrants Ebola nonsense. | ||
| But it's escalated a little bit. | ||
| It's escalated. | ||
| And Alex is in a really fucked up mood on this episode. | ||
| Because there's a little bit of video that Alex plays of someone... | ||
| Like pushing his camera away. | ||
| One of Owen's cameras away. | ||
| Doesn't want to be on film. | ||
| And this really, really sets Alex off. | ||
| This is the incredible... | ||
| Oh, and now they're covering our camera people. | ||
| So there's your headline. | ||
| Congo invaders. | ||
| Assault reporters. | ||
| Refugees fleeing Congo Ebola tell reporters they can't film them because they're the royalty, the godmen, to come here to hate America and bitch and tell us how we suck and how white people are bad. | ||
| Because you know that's the brainwashing in the refugee camps in Africa, getting them ready, loading them on planes, bringing them in. | ||
| Nothing about any of the information he actually has indicates that that's the case. | ||
| He's just projecting. | ||
| That's all that is. | ||
| That's an insane thing to put on these people with no information. | ||
| Now, I mean, if he had video of them being like, well, in the refugee camps they teach us to hate white people and they're bringing us in. | ||
| I'd be like, oh, that's interesting. | ||
| That guy said that. | ||
| Still not proof that that's true, but you could report on that. | ||
| This is just Alex's sort of replacement fears. | ||
| The demographic replacement nonsense really... | ||
| Driving the train. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| God, it's so stupid to point out hypocrisy. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| But remember when a, let's say, Republican fucking congressman beat the shit out of a Guardian journalist? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Yeah, I seem to recall Alex being 100% for it. | ||
| Oh yeah, he was thrilled. | ||
| He was overjoyed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And this dude was just like, hey, can you not film me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God, I hate these people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I agree with you. | ||
| Secondary, though, to how deep Alex gets into this hole. | ||
| This hole of, like, they hate white people. | ||
| This next clip kind of made me feel unwell. | ||
| It gave me a little bit of a flutter and a sense of, like, ugh. | ||
| I just think he's... | ||
| There's something really fucked up going on in his head on the 11th. | ||
| And our crew was out there. | ||
| I saw them this morning. | ||
| They said, Alex, we'd walk down a street and there'd be 50 here, 100 there. | ||
| It's on the local news that they already have Congo community groups that are saying, oh, thousands are coming. | ||
| Get ready for it. | ||
| I have that newscast. | ||
| Doesn't play it. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's totally insane. | ||
| Where's my clipboard? | ||
| I've got that Congo clip. | ||
| I mean, I've got like 60 clips here. | ||
| Local Congolese family tries to make asylum seekers feel at home. | ||
| So what? | ||
| And they say, oh, thousands more come. | ||
| Millions come. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| You're going to pay. | ||
| You're going to pay good. | ||
| And, hey, I bet there'll be some reparations for slavery. | ||
| I bet my kids will probably have to pay them a bunch of money because I'm a white devil. | ||
| But you sure fight hard to get into that white devil's place. | ||
| And then once you get in with that white devil, you tell that white devil how bad he is. | ||
| I'm not taking this crap anymore. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| You were done long ago. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| What are you pretending this is some sort of new feeling for you? | ||
| You stupid asshole. | ||
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God. | |
| So there's a couple things that really disturbed me about that. | ||
| First of all, the voice, obviously. | ||
| Then the editorializing that he does within that voice is really fucked up. | ||
| The idea that African immigrants who are coming in now would ask for reparations is kind of silly. | ||
| I think he's trying to distort that argument entirely. | ||
| And then, beyond that, you can hear an echo, and it really drove home, like, he's in a much worse studio. | ||
| You know, the sound quality of the show is diminishing. | ||
| There is an echo when he starts yelling. | ||
| This is not his professional studio anymore. | ||
| Oh, that's no good. | ||
| Yeah, there's a different quality to it. | ||
| I think he's being angrier and angrier as he descends into worse and worse environs. | ||
| The people who assume that minorities all hate white people so much probably only do it because they're so awful that they are hated. | ||
| It's not like everybody hates white people. | ||
| It's that you guys are dicks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you deserve it. | ||
| And it's also projection. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It is the, like, I hate these groups. | ||
| Why wouldn't they hate me? | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| We're at opposition in this. | ||
| Yeah, you don't have to be, dude. | ||
| You can just be cool. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex makes it really overt that so much of his concern is about this demographic replacement idea. | ||
| This is all just his fears that these Africans are going to come in and vote Democrat, which is something that he talks about all the time, but it does bear mentioning that it's so fucked up a thing to say, but it's become so normal as a piece of Alex's rhetoric that it's almost boring, because he's so much worse. | ||
| I mean, that last clip is so much worse. | ||
| But it bears reminding people that this also lives in his head. | ||
| Once they break the migration routes into the country... | ||
| The Africans even tell you we're coming by the millions. | ||
| So they know they're part of a plan. | ||
| And then they're going to be given voter ID cards. | ||
| They're going to be signed up as Democrats. | ||
| They're going to get their free welfare. | ||
| And the country will have its new voting bloc. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| So that's, you know... | ||
| That's classic white nationalism stuff. | ||
| White people won't be allowed to run everything and run roughshod over everybody and break everything that they want to and face no consequences for it. | ||
| How can we allow that to happen, Dan? | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| God, that's such... | ||
| How do you not know that you're a white... | ||
| You know you're a white nationalist. | ||
| He knows that he's a white nationalist. | ||
| Well, it makes me think of Dave Daubenmire, Coach Dave. | ||
| The idea of, like, I'm a white nationalist, I'm white, and I'm a nationalist. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like, lack of engagement with the ideas of what's going on. | ||
| Whether it's intentional or just being naive and stupid. | ||
| Like, whatever it is. | ||
| Willingly naive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whatever it is. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lack of caring about getting engaged with the actual terms and ideas and what's actually going on. | ||
| But yeah, on some level he has to know what he's doing. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And the fucked upness about that is, I think, more evident in the, I mean, the shitty voice was racist as fuck. | ||
| But the start of that is just literally, woman tries to help. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that he took as, well, obviously, I need to turn this into a weird racist screed. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, it's like the story is a Congolese woman who lives in America, knows more people of her country of origin are coming and wants to make them feel welcome. | ||
| Like, the alternative, I mean, what he's responding to, I guess what he would wish the headline is, Congolese immigrants made to feel not welcome. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Treated like scourge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| And what he'd really like is Congolese woman treats other Congolese immigrants like scourge, because then he'd be like, ha ha, see, she's a nationalist too. | ||
| Or a better headline for Alex would be Congolese people shot at border. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| So, anyway. | ||
| God. | ||
| Yeah, he sucks. | ||
| So, uh, there's a big thing that happens on the 11th, and that is Roger Stone comes back. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, he has this gag order about his case, but that doesn't mean he can't talk about other things. | ||
| He can talk all he wants publicly. | ||
| He just can't talk about his case and anything that's related to it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He could have been on Infowars this whole fucking time if he wanted to, as long as he shut his mouth about things that involved Mueller, the investigation, his own case, any offshoot of that case, WikiLeaks, Jerome Corsi, I assume, Randy Credico. | ||
| He can't defend himself. | ||
| Publicly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| About these things. | ||
| And that's why he wouldn't want to be on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So he took all... | ||
| Like, they kept him off InfoWars for a long time because they're like, cool down, because even if we had you on to talk about anything, you would immediately be like, yeah, I know, I understand that Obama fucked this up, but Mueller is the real one! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That's what you assume. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We find out that there's a psychodrama going on between Alex and Roger. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That this interview is... | ||
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Tense. | |
| Not tense. | ||
| Bizarre. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And I think it leads Alex to start drinking. | ||
| But we'll get to that when we get to that. | ||
| Here is Alex welcoming Roger Stone back onto InfoWars. | ||
| Roger Stone, glad we got you on. | ||
| I appreciate you contacting us first for your big exclusive Breaking Your Silence. | ||
| Should I ask up front, first it's good to see your face, good to talk to you this morning. | ||
| Why are you breaking your silence now? | ||
| Well, Alex, first of all, let me say how good it feels to be back on InfoWars and how much I have missed the camaraderie and the shared goals of you, David Knight, Rob Dew, Millie Weaver, Owen Schroyer, Mike Zimmerman, and so many others there. | ||
| If there were theme music for this segment, I would choose Gene Autry's... | ||
| Back in the saddle again. | ||
| I thought he was going to say reunited and it feels so good. | ||
| I was really hoping it was... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Back in the saddle again is fine. | ||
| He would have to be excited to be reunited with these people for that song to work. | ||
| Instead, he is excited to be near them and at work. | ||
| On the phone. | ||
| Very different situation. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So you might ask yourself, why is Roger even on the show? | ||
| He can't talk about his own personal stuff. | ||
| He doesn't really... | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's a strange situation to be in where it's like, we know you have a gag order. | ||
| Alex even makes clear that, like, we know you can't talk about that business. | ||
| And so I was wondering, what are they even going to do? | ||
| I thought one of Alex's subtle digs was, thank you for contacting us first. | ||
| That was... | ||
| I thought that was a dig. | ||
| Well, we'll see. | ||
| John Dean is a congenital liar, and he has costed himself... | ||
| By attacking all Republican presidents so that no one in the mainstream media will go back and examine his real role as one of those who conducted the Watergate cover-up and lied to virtually everyone about it. | ||
| I had no choice but to come on Infowars today and set the record straight. | ||
| So he's really just on the show to talk shit about John Dean because he went and testified. | ||
| Yeah, we're talking Nixon. | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| We're talking ass tattoo Nixon. | ||
| But we're not really. | ||
| I mean, he's just talking shit about John Dean. | ||
| And then he wants to give his rundown of the candidates in 2020, the Democratic field. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's a pointless interview for the most part. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, he can't talk about the one thing that the interview would be valuable for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The only thing that we're interested in is, you going to prison, Roger? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And he can't talk about that. | ||
| But what he can do is make a poop joke. | ||
| And Alex loves it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I mean, I don't get my news from CNN for the same reason that I don't eat out of the toilet. | ||
| Virtually nothing that they write, nothing they broadcast is true. | ||
| I think most of the American people know that. | ||
| It's kind of like at a certain point, people recognize dog crap out in the yard. | ||
| It's like, there's not lines around the block to eat that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Their chemistry has not skipped a beat. | ||
| It is electric. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Alex is not good at tagging, first off. | ||
| No. | ||
| Second. | ||
| If that joke is really the one that hits the sweet spot for you, we got a long way to go. | ||
| It's also really funny because on our last episode, Alex was talking about how Karl Rove talks about shit all the time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. | ||
| Here we have Alex losing his shit for a poop joke in 2019. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| I told you there's a psychodrama going on, and I think it really starts to manifest in this next clip where Alex is kind of like, hey, man, why haven't you called me? | ||
| And I miss all of you terribly, and I watch regularly to prepare myself for the upcoming trial in November. | ||
| And let's talk about some of that, if you can, without getting around, without violating the gag order. | ||
| But why wouldn't you even talk to me the last few months? | ||
| I mean, everybody was like, what's going on with Roger? | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| You just say, gag order, gag order, and the text messages. | ||
| Aww. | ||
| Well, because I wanted to take a break. | ||
| It is an enormous task. | ||
| By the way, let me interrupt you. | ||
| I'm famous for that. | ||
| You'll have the floor in the next 15, 20 minutes or as long as you want to stay. | ||
| You look frickin' 15 years younger. | ||
| Maybe I should take a break for a couple months. | ||
| You're looking pretty good there. | ||
| He doesn't even give him an opportunity to answer. | ||
| Alex is hurt. | ||
| Yeah, it does sound like that. | ||
| He is hurt. | ||
| Why didn't you talk to me? | ||
| That sounded really... | ||
| And that's why he had to interrupt him, because if he gave a genuine answer, then Alex was like, no, no, no, I can't feel. | ||
| I can't feel. | ||
| And he probably was gearing up to give at least a diplomatic sincere answer. | ||
| Like, I wanted to take a break. | ||
| I needed to get out of this space. | ||
| I was probably going to break my gag order if we talked more. | ||
| We have an energy between us. | ||
| You antagonize me. | ||
| I antagonize you. | ||
| We just kind of bullshit. | ||
| Drop my guard for a moment. | ||
| And then I violate the gag order and I'm in prison. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And any of that, like, the bottom line of that is, like, you're kind of a negative influence for me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that conversation probably is what Alex wants to have. | ||
| So, of course, yeah, he interrupts him immediately. | ||
| But also, it's interesting to know that behind the scenes, not talking. | ||
| Alex is hurt. | ||
| He is really hurt. | ||
| Alex is really hurt. | ||
| But also, he thinks that Roger looks great. | ||
| And I did see the video, and he does look pretty good. | ||
| He looks like he's a little bit thinner. | ||
| Maybe it's just because he's wearing a tight T-shirt. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But anyway, Alex won't stop talking about how good he looks, and Roger is a fucking pro. | ||
| Roger, I'm not kidding. | ||
| You look 15 years younger, because I know you used to work yourself to death fighting like 20 hours a day. | ||
| You look great, man. | ||
| Well, I appreciate that, Alex. | ||
| It's because I'm still using a number of the products at InfoWars, including my all-time favorite, Brain Force Plus, which I still highly recommend to anyone who's looking for that extra boost of energy late in the day. | ||
| Works great for me. | ||
| It'll work great for you. | ||
| I'm still very much a believer and very much a customer. | ||
| While you're at it, if you want to help me, you can go to stonedefensefund.com. | ||
| What a pro. | ||
| He's so good! | ||
| He needs to get his plug in. | ||
| So in order to do that, he plugs Alex's shit. | ||
| He transitions off a compliment into the plug that he needs to make to make his own plug. | ||
| That is... | ||
| That's third stage at pivoting. | ||
| That is good shit. | ||
| He is so good at this. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That is fucking... | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So Alex has confronted him about the, why haven't you texted me? | ||
| Like, why don't you talk to me anymore? | ||
| And I don't think Alex was satisfied with the answer that started and then the interruption. | ||
| I think that he still wants to try and guilt Roger about his jilting. | ||
| He feels rejected and ignored and neglected. | ||
| But Alex can't make it all about himself. | ||
| So what he does is bring in Owen Schroyer to try and help guilt. | ||
| Roger. | ||
| Could you please tell Roger that I am not talking to him right now? | ||
| No, it's not that. | ||
| It's, Roger, look at our son. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You haven't talked to me, and I understand that. | ||
| Why haven't you talked to our boy? | ||
| You two used to host the War Room together. | ||
| This is insane, the level of, like, just petty drama that Alex is bringing. | ||
| But let's bring Owen Troyer in, your co-host from the War Room. | ||
| He really misses you. | ||
| He was just asking me last week, why won't Roger call me back? | ||
| You know, how do I get him back on air? | ||
| So come on over here. | ||
| Let me grab that mic from underneath the table there. | ||
| I just decided to do this ten seconds ago, Owen. | ||
| Why won't you... | ||
| You know, Owen's real curious why you won't call him back. | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| He's right here. | ||
| He's got a weird beard with no mustache now. | ||
| That's what happens when he doesn't have a father figure. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Look at that beard he's growing. | ||
| You left, and nine months later, we got a little Owen Schroyer, and you abandoned him. | ||
| He really misses you, man. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Imagine feeling jilted by Roger Stone. | ||
| Like, imagine being emotionally... | ||
| I can't imagine not knowing that this was the outcome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| Did you even bother to read? | ||
| I'm not picking sides on this thing. | ||
| Alex didn't even bother to read his Wikipedia page where it's like, oh, by the way, at the end of every relationship Roger Stone has ever had, he's fucked off and told you to go to hell. | ||
| Unless you have blackmail on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, before Owen and Roger get to have a little bit of a back and forth, Alex and Owen do a little bit of goofing. | ||
| About how he went down to a place where Ebola might be. | ||
| And this gets pretty fucked up. | ||
| You're going to tell us everything at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| The point is, you literally could have Ebola right now. | ||
| Well, let's pray to God that I don't. | ||
| Stay back. | ||
| They say it's carried in the semen, though. | ||
| Can I shake your hand? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| As long as you don't try to stick your weenie in me. | ||
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All right. | |
| All right, we're not going to do that on air today. | ||
| I'm sorry, family show. | ||
| No, literally, it can gestate, it can incubate in the testicles for a year. | ||
| And the doctor who gave us the interview, we'll talk more about this, basically denied that. | ||
| Didn't deny it. | ||
| Tried to explain what the reality is probably and you just didn't listen because you don't care and you're working towards a predetermined conclusion. | ||
| The fact that they're goofing around like that makes it fully clear to me that they don't believe there's a possibility even that Owen has Ebola from going down there because he knows that none of those people have Ebola. | ||
| This is all bullshit and that kind of display makes it so clear. | ||
| But also, Alex is technically kind of correct. | ||
| Ebola has been shown, in some cases, to be able to survive in human testicles for periods of about a year. | ||
| A test of 429 survivors of the 2016 Ebola outbreak in Liberia showed that 9% of them had some amount of fragmented Ebola in their semen, with 63% of that 9% still showing signs of it a year after they survived the condition. | ||
| This is why the World Health Organization has specific guidelines in place for sexual activity for people who have survived Ebola. | ||
| While pointing out that more research needs to be done on the subject, they say that a survivor's semen should be tested every three months, and until they have two tests in a row that come back negative, they should refrain from intercourse or use condoms. | ||
| This takes care of any concerns about possible transmission that may come that may or may not even be postpartum. | ||
| We're not entirely sure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 40 dudes were found with some Ebola and the guys were like, hey, knock it off for about a year. | ||
| Then you'll be good. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's a little simplistic, but yeah. | ||
| But you might also notice that this is all surrounding survivors of Ebola. | ||
| And that's because Ebola doesn't hide out in the testicles waiting to infect a person for up to a year. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| If you have Ebola in your nuts right now, you're going to have Ebola in a week. | ||
| Alex is intentionally misrepresenting this medical information in order to reinforce his completely incorrect assertion that these people in San Antonio probably have Ebola. | ||
| Even though you don't know it, you don't see it, it's in the balls. | ||
| Because it can gestate for up to a year. | ||
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Instead of survivors. | |
| It's not just like, hey. | ||
| Well, and that's not even gestating. | ||
| That's just a virus. | ||
| Staying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, it's all nonsense, but it's a good thing they got to do a little bit of homophobic riffing and goofing around. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm pretty stoked that they can go from advocating that we put murderers at the border to kill these people and then turn that into a homophobic thing as well. | ||
| That's really a triple lux right there. | ||
| Much like Roger is an expert at these pivots, these ad pivots, they too are experts in making all bigotry connect. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So there's something going on on this show. | ||
| I mean, Roger's on. | ||
| They're having a real lost friendship moment on air. | ||
| But also, Matt Drudge has picked up that Roger Stone is on InfoWars, and he's topped Link. | ||
| He top-linked it. | ||
| So Alex is now super excited about the fact that we're number one on Drudge right now. | ||
| Well, you've got to know, Alex Jones here back live with Owen Schroeder, Rogers Pound exclusive. | ||
| They can't stand that Infowars.com and Newswars.com exist. | ||
| Neither can I. But they really can't stand that DrudgeReport.com, the second biggest website in the world, not just the biggest news site. | ||
| It is the biggest news site. | ||
| Second biggest site. | ||
| In the world. | ||
| You can look that up. | ||
| After, like, Yahoo and MSM, it's always, like, you know, varies. | ||
| Second biggest news site in the world. | ||
| Biggest site in the world when it comes to news, but second biggest site total. | ||
| And there it is, live. | ||
| Roger Stone breaks silence. | ||
| So Alex keeps bringing this up. | ||
| And I think that the interview was supposed to be a bit shorter than it was, but he keeps stretching it out because he knows that we're top-linked on Drudge because it's going to feed so much traffic. | ||
| So Alex is constantly also saying that Drudge is the top news site in the world and the number two website total, but generally he doesn't say, you can look it up, so I just don't. | ||
| I know he's lying, but this time he invited me to explore it, so why not take him up on it? | ||
| Currently the number one website in the world is Google. | ||
| Number two is YouTube. | ||
| Number three is Facebook. | ||
| Wikipedia is number five. | ||
| Amazon comes in at number ten. | ||
| Mixed in are a bunch of Chinese websites like Baidu and QQ.com. | ||
| Drudge isn't even in the top 50. Shit, Drudge isn't even in the top 50 sites if you only consider the United States. | ||
| You can make an argument that YouTube is in some ways news-related, but there's also a lot to it that's more than just news, so maybe you don't want to count that as the top news site. | ||
| I was having a real tough time figuring out what constituted a news site, so I could check Alex's, it's the top news site in the world. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But thankfully, Alexa allows you to filter their results by website category, and when you do that and you only include news sites, guess what? | ||
| Drudge is number 22. Oh, that's no good. | ||
| He comes in behind Reuters, Bloomberg, CNBC, USA Today, Forbes, Washington Post, Fox News, Yahoo News, The Guardian, New York Times, and CNN. | ||
| Oh, and he's also 14 spots down the list from Shutterstock. | ||
| I think Alex would still consider Drudge the number one news source. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Because he doesn't think those other things. | ||
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But he's not saying that. | |
| No, he's not saying that. | ||
| He's saying it's the number two website in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And number one in the news category. | ||
| And it is not. | ||
| It's number 22 in the news category. | ||
| They also, on Alexa, they have a subcategory of news, which is just headline links, which perfectly describes Drudge. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he isn't even number one there. | ||
| That's Reddit. | ||
| Reddit's number one in headline links. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Much more traffic than Drudge. | ||
| According to Alexa, Drudge is the 832nd biggest website in the world and 162nd biggest in the United States, which is very impressive. | ||
| It is nothing to be ashamed of, and I'm not shitting on it, but it really does seem disappointing if you previously thought it was number one or two. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was expecting, like... | ||
| He was embellishing, but, you know, it was in the 20s or something like that. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| No. | ||
| So Alex might want to spin it and say that Alexa is a company that's run by Amazon, so it's not trustworthy. | ||
| So fine. | ||
| I decided to check Quantcast. | ||
| They use slightly different metrics than Alexa, and they don't include as wide a range of sites. | ||
| Like, they don't include porn sites. | ||
| So this number is a little bit different. | ||
| They have Drudge at number 41 in the United States, which is still way lower than Alex's claim. | ||
| Also, they're not the number one news site. | ||
| They aren't even close. | ||
| Like, BuzzFeed, MSN, Vice, and The Hill are all... | ||
| Far above Drudge. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| My point here is that Alex is just making shit up, but he's doing it because to him, Drudge is the biggest website in the world. | ||
| Drudge was founded in 1995, right as Alex was launching his career. | ||
| So the whole time Alex has been peddling his shit, Drudge has been right there. | ||
| Alex identifies with Drudge. | ||
| So of course Alex thinks that he's the most important and biggest thing in the world. | ||
| Exaggerating Drudge's place in the world is one part hero worship. | ||
| But one part pathetic narcissism by proxy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He feels that the two of their careers are super intertwined. | ||
| Maybe there is something to that. | ||
| I think that there's probably a piece of it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it also benefits him specifically to... | ||
| Because the only time he talks about Dread Report, really, is whenever he's on it. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| I just don't play a ton of clips. | ||
| He brings it up a lot. | ||
| That it's the number one or number two? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And about how, like, of all the conservative folk, Drudge is one of the only people keeping the fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sort of stuff. | ||
| And he brings up headlines from Drudge a lot when he's just covering a story. | ||
| He's like, you got this up on Drudge? | ||
| So he brings it up outside of his personal connection a lot. | ||
| But he also brings up their personal connection a lot, too. | ||
| I thought it was almost like a synergistic advertising, you know? | ||
| Like, the more important Drudge is, the more important Alex is when he's on Drudge. | ||
| That's definitely fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that kind of, look at how great I am because of how great this is, and I'm the number one result on the number one news site in the world. | ||
| I definitely believe that that's fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Roger's on. | ||
| Drudge is doing the advertising for him. | ||
| Everything is great. | ||
| They want to get into the 2020 candidates. | ||
| You know, Biden is leading in some polls now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Roger does not think this is going to last because he believes that there's a mystery candidate. | ||
| There's a mystery candidate. | ||
| Joe Biden wants to run? | ||
| Let him run. | ||
| He's cannon fodder. | ||
| The Obama machine will sweep him aside, and I still predict that their strongest nominee... | ||
| Their most likely nominee would be Michelle Obama. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| In fact, the word is, I was told by CIA, and these are real people. | ||
| This is not, like, regular people that say they work for the CIA. | ||
| Sounds like they're not real people. | ||
| They've been surveilling that they had meetings a year ago with Hillary and Michelle talking about running together and them debating who'd be the presidential nominee. | ||
| Man, Alex is an improv guy. | ||
| Roger just throws that curveball. | ||
| Michelle Obama is the strongest candidate. | ||
| Not only that, the CIA has told me that there are meetings. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Did he do UCB? | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| Ground legs. | ||
| Yeah, ground legs using the ground legs. | ||
| Where is that reporting earlier? | ||
| Like, where is... | ||
| Never mentioned it before. | ||
| Needed Roger to bring it up so he could double down on it. | ||
| Never ever mentioned it before. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy stuff. | ||
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God. | |
| So in this next clip, Alex expresses that he thinks that QAnon is a leftist psyop designed to try and fracture the connection between himself and Donald Trump. | ||
| Well, that helps. | ||
| And I see the left saying, oh, Trump doesn't like Roger. | ||
| And they do that for the national news to try to drive a wedge against Trump and against you. | ||
| Between you both. | ||
| They do that to us. | ||
| Oh, the media calls. | ||
| Oh, you hate Roger now. | ||
| Oh, you guys have fallen out. | ||
| You're big enemies now. | ||
| And I even halfway bought into that until I talked to you. | ||
| And you just get into these psyops with these people. | ||
| And then the QAnon movement. | ||
| Oh, Alex is going to jail. | ||
| Roger's going to jail. | ||
| It's all part of Trump's plan to get the bad guys. | ||
| So the bad guys try to put us in prison. | ||
| And then the Q is just some fake thing on the internet that says, oh, that's Trump getting the bad guys, while Trump is defending you, saying you're a great guy on Twitter and sending out my videos and defending InfoWars. | ||
| The way the left works and the psyops they run are just so disgusting, and people really, I think, need to learn to see through them. | ||
| I do agree that people need to learn to see through those sorts of things, like QAnon being like a wild pile of bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think the logical conclusion to come to is this is the left PSYOP. | ||
| That's the other kind of bad thinking. | ||
| Yeah, we're right back at, yes, you came to the right conclusion. | ||
| People should learn to see through this. | ||
| The way you got there is the dumbest possible road you could have taken. | ||
| And you're a shit advocate for helping people get to the right conclusion. | ||
| You only reach the right conclusion because you found a way to make it work for you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's not good. | ||
| And even then, your main goal is to only obfuscate the same way, just have people come to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| For sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, in this next clip, we learn that Twitter, you know, I mean, it's one of the biggest websites in the world. | ||
| People love it. | ||
| Some people hate it. | ||
| But it turns out its days are numbered. | ||
| Well, I should add, Trump just warned Twitter two days ago. | ||
| He said, I am coming after you and knowing the president. | ||
| Before he said, I'm looking at it. | ||
| But now he's gone through the phases of meeting privately, publicly warning him a bunch. | ||
| He's always very judicious. | ||
| He's a counterpuncher. | ||
| But what does it mean when he tweets, okay, I'm coming after you? | ||
| The word is he's got a whole new conservative Twitter ready that if he energizes it, he'll break Twitter. | ||
| Well, what it means to me is that he's been watching us here at Infowars.com. | ||
| The idea that Trump has a conservative Twitter ready to go, I don't know what level of... | ||
| Whack you've got to be to think that that's going on. | ||
| So he's just, so the president using the powers of the presidency, I guess. | ||
| Well, magic. | ||
| Has just... | ||
| Has just been like, okay, we've designed a conservative Twitter, and we're going to launch it. | ||
| We're just waiting for the right time, which I assume is very shortly after Mike Adams, the health ranger, is kicked off Facebook. | ||
| I would assume so, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense, right? | ||
| You know what, Ding Dong? | ||
| It already exists. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's called Gab. | ||
| Like, go over there. | ||
| Just go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's already over there, probably, right? | ||
| I'm certain he is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It takes a lot to get kicked off that. | ||
| It is weird how impotent Trump is showing himself to be, even as he exercises ridiculously powerful pain and cruelty. | ||
| So much of him saying stuff is just, he says he's going to do something, the news covers it, people get all excited or all angry about it. | ||
| And then it turns out later that he actually can't do anything and nobody cares because it's five days later. | ||
| And some of that's strategic, too. | ||
| I mean, in this case, it's clearly to preserve this base that feels jilted by social media companies. | ||
| So, I mean, there is a strategic element to paying lip service to certain... | ||
| And I think all politicians do that. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, Biden definitely no longer supports the Hyde Amendment. | ||
| That was immediate. | ||
| We got that settled, I'm sure. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex gets back to his personal feelings about Roger. | ||
| And he tries once again to find out, why didn't you call me? | ||
| And I think from Roger's response, you get a pretty clear sense that he does not really care that Alex feels rejected. | ||
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Duh! | |
| I'll have you back on, but I'm going to... | ||
| Look, we haven't talked, except maybe twice on the phone in the last three, four months. | ||
| Maybe ten voice messages. | ||
| I looked it up. | ||
| You said, I can't talk to you, gag order. | ||
| Suddenly, you're ready to go hog wild. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| What has changed? | ||
| I already asked the question earlier, but what's happened? | ||
| Let's be very clear. | ||
| Today's conversation has been about John Dean's testimony yesterday. | ||
| Before the House Judiciary Committee. | ||
| No, I get it, but I had those conversations with you three months ago. | ||
| I said, Roger, I'll keep you employed. | ||
| You're better not talking about Russiagate. | ||
| Everyone's, come on and talk about the race. | ||
| Talk about politics. | ||
| And then suddenly you just disappeared. | ||
| So I'm not breaking your balls. | ||
| I'm asking how your calculus changed from then to agreeing with me. | ||
| Well, I'm an old war horse, and I could not see this presidential campaign unfold. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| They're going to try to spin it that you did, but it's a damn lie. | ||
| I don't think Alex got what he needed out of that exchange. | ||
| And I'm sure Drudge is now, like, really glad he top-linked this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This sort of breakdown of... | ||
| Emotional dynamics. | ||
| It is still... | ||
| Also, Owen Troyer is still silently sitting there. | ||
| Weeping into a... | ||
| No full knowledge that he's a prop. | ||
| I still feel empathy. | ||
| Even though it is so obvious and I'm blindsided by how stupid these people are whenever they're like, Oh! | ||
| Trump! | ||
| Roger Stone! | ||
| Why don't you return my calls anymore? | ||
| And it's like, dude, they never cared about you. | ||
| They don't have loyalty. | ||
| And they will toss you aside when you're no longer useful. | ||
| How did you not already know that? | ||
| But then watching him, like, grovel, and it's like, I still feel sad for how stupid you are. | ||
| You convinced yourself. | ||
| You don't feel an empathy for the people. | ||
| You feel an empathy for the situation. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Because it's evocative of... | ||
| You know, people who don't deserve that sort of treatment from people. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| You can identify with it. | ||
| Yeah, I think that that's only human, to have that response. | ||
| But to care about Alex's hurt feelings, that's a bridge too far. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| So we get back now to the idea about the CIA telling Alex that Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton had met to discuss running for president. | ||
| Hey, guess what? | ||
| Roger Stone, not into this bullshit. | ||
| Oh yeah, that was my question earlier. | ||
| So I'm sure you know about the meetings. | ||
| I've confirmed. | ||
| They've been in meetings debating who will be on the top of the ticket. | ||
| So can you comment on that? | ||
| You know, I have some skepticism about that. | ||
| Michelle Obama doesn't need Hillary Clinton. | ||
| She'd be an exceptionally strong nominee. | ||
| The Obamas still control the machinery of the Democratic Party. | ||
| Michelle Obama could command the money necessary. | ||
| So you think she's the dark horse for the Democrats? | ||
| There's no question about it, and we should not take that lightly. | ||
| She would be an extraordinarily formidable and difficult... | ||
| By the way, I'm not bowing down to political correctness. | ||
| She's brown. | ||
| But when somebody comes from nowhere to win, it's called dark horse. | ||
| I'm going to use the term. | ||
| I'm not being politically correct. | ||
| No one said anything. | ||
| She's the dark horse candidate, you're saying. | ||
| She's the outsider, she's the improbable, but she would be an exceptionally strong candidate. | ||
| And we should not underestimate that very... | ||
| So Michael Obama is the leader right now. | ||
| Michelle, Michelle. | ||
| I'm not going to cut it. | ||
| I told you how I see the Democratic side shaking up. | ||
| Alex, it's been great to be back with you. | ||
| I miss you. | ||
| I miss all of my colleagues at InfoWars. | ||
| I look forward to doing this again. | ||
| Hey, hey, let me tell you how this works. | ||
| We're top-linked on drugs, my friend. | ||
| That means hundreds of millions of views, not tens of millions. | ||
| You are going to stay with us five more minutes. | ||
| I need you. | ||
| I need you. | ||
| I'm getting attention because you're on. | ||
| You're doing five more minutes. | ||
| That was... | ||
| That was a lot. | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| In one short period. | ||
| Every single clip that you've chosen today seems to have been a very lot in a very small amount of time. | ||
| I told you before we started, like, it's a mess of a couple things. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
| Alex is going through a lot. | ||
| So you've got, in that clip, you've got Roger rejecting Alex's nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, no UCB. | ||
| Which shows that Roger knows that when Alex says the CIA told him something, it's not true. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He knows that his sources are shit, and so he's like, yeah, I'm skeptical of that. | ||
| That's nonsense, Alex. | ||
| Michelle doesn't fucking need Hillary. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| And then Alex correctly uses the term dark horse. | ||
| No one is going to say, like, that's a racist thing. | ||
| It doesn't even sound like a dog whistle in any way. | ||
| It just seems like a correct use of a colloquial term. | ||
| But he is so self-conscious or whatever that he has to justify his use of a term. | ||
| She's brown! | ||
| It shows the mental state. | ||
| He's keenly aware of how racist he is. | ||
| What's weirder is that he was saying, I'm not being politically correct. | ||
| Because he's not going to bow to political correctness. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It seems like he's afraid that his listeners are going to call in and be like, you should have called her, you know? | ||
| Like, he's more mad that he's not being offensive. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or that he's more worried that his listeners will think he's going out of his way to not be offensive. | ||
| I feel like he's responding to imagined criticism that he'll get from Media Matters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He calls Michelle Obama a dark horse. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Which would never come, because that would be ludicrous. | ||
| But it is not okay that he's still doing the she's a man narrative. | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing that was even weirder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, I would never be racist. | ||
| She's a man. | ||
| Like, wait, no! | ||
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No! | |
| But I think part of that, that, like, spiraling and weirdness, I think Alex has started drinking by this point. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yes, because I think the interaction with Roger is not gone the way he wanted it to. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He was hoping for some sort of emotional recognition on Roger's part that he had wronged him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He wants a catharsis, yeah. | ||
| You wouldn't call me. | ||
| I texted you and you said gag order. | ||
| We didn't have to talk about your case. | ||
| I thought we were friends. | ||
| We've been in this for years now. | ||
| You've been on my show every day, my main source of information. | ||
| I changed my brand for you, basically. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And you just threw me aside. | ||
| He needed something, and I don't think he got it, and I think he started hitting the booze. | ||
| Because it starts to get real weird. | ||
| The end of this show is... | ||
| I don't know how to describe it. | ||
| He's clearly showing signs of being fucked up. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So he drinks his emotions, basically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, when he gets back from break, he can't stop talking about being on Drudge. | ||
| This is a short segment. | ||
| DrudgeReport.com's top length. | ||
| News is going to be dissecting this for weeks. | ||
| Roger Stone's broken his silence. | ||
| I'm Alex Jones with InfoWars.com and NewsWars.com. | ||
| Coming up next segment, the exclusive footage of thousands, not hundreds, of Ebola potential infected Africans from Congo in San Antonio, assaulting reporters. | ||
| He's really exaggerating a lot of what footage he has because he's getting some of that drudge audience hoping to keep him over. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| So him and Roger wrap up the interview in a fairly boring way just because, you know, nothing's going to top what's already happened. | ||
| Roger, please just tell me you love me. | ||
| Please just tell me you love me. | ||
| They agree to stay in touch and that he'll be back on the show and Roger plugs his stuff a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| So Alex gets back and he's back on the Ebola bullshit. | ||
| I have local Congonese groups saying, oh, millions are coming. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| More are coming. | ||
| Yeah, we get it. | ||
| It already happened to Europe. | ||
| And again, I'm not even against these people, but these are uneducated people. | ||
| Sounds like you are. | ||
| Poor people. | ||
| With diseases who come in and become creatures of the Democrats. | ||
| You hear the way he's, like, gasping almost? | ||
| His verbal pattern has shifted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems indicative of intoxication. | ||
| Also, he's saying, literally, I wouldn't be mad about these people, but they're poor, uneducated, and diseased. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you have no reason to believe that. | ||
| I think you have no evidence of any of that. | ||
| You don't know anything about these people. | ||
| You don't know what economic situation any of them are in. | ||
| You don't know their educational background. | ||
| You're making a blanket statement based on your fucking bigotry. | ||
| That's all you're doing because you are a white nationalist. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Trump, what was Trump? | ||
| We want the best immigrants. | ||
| And it's like, come on, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Don't even bother. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, reinforcing my theory that Alex has started drinking, Owen Schroer, now, since Roger's gone, gets to start talking. | ||
| And the two of them tag-team some conspiracies about these immigrants. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And it's kind of like, remember that interview with Corsi where the two of them were fucking in sync? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is the opposite. | ||
|
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This is... | |
| This is real clunky, because one guy has clearly been drinking, and the other one has not. | ||
| And so, Owen's kind of trying to keep the ship moving forward, and Alex is just all over the place. | ||
| Why do we have to take everybody in? | ||
| Oh, by the way, but some of them, Alex, they're not coming here so downtrodden. | ||
| They've got smartphones, they've got new clothes. | ||
| No, I said that. | ||
| This is our upper crust coming in to... | ||
| Wait, I thought they were poor. | ||
| Yeah, and... | ||
| I thought they were poor and undereducated. | ||
| Now they're the upper crust? | ||
| Is it bad? | ||
| Which one is bad? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Are both bad? | |
| They are both bad because they're just not white. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I'm going to restart this clip, though, just so you can hear it all in flow. | ||
| Why do we have to take everybody in? | ||
| Oh, by the way, but some of them, Alex, they're not coming here so downtrodden. | ||
| They've got smartphones. | ||
| They've got new clothes. | ||
| No, I said that. | ||
| This is the upper crust coming in with smugglers to create the anchor baby connection. | ||
| You can be a world traveler. | ||
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Some of these people traveled to 13 different countries on this ride. | |
| They get it all paid for. | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
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But we can't even take care of our own people. | |
| So look, let's be humanitarians. | ||
| Yeah, we want to take care of people. | ||
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And don't worry, though. | |
| They all want reparations. | ||
| They already are like, America sucks. | ||
| We're here to get the free stuff. | ||
| And some of them in the video when I get in start chanting at me to leave. | ||
| It's like, wait a second. | ||
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I'm paying for you to be here, bucko. | |
| Oh, I love it. | ||
| They even assault you. | ||
| It's like, hey, we're here. | ||
| Give us your goddamn, excuse me, Lord. | ||
| Give us your money, bitch. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| The apologizing. | ||
| I'm sorry, Lord, and then swearing again. | ||
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Ah! | |
| He is untethered at this point in the show. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| I'm sorry, Lord. | ||
| Jesus fucking Christ, these people are coming over. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so it's an anchor baby scam now. | ||
| I mean, he's all over the place with the theory. | ||
| You know, like, the theory has completely lost whatever beginning it had. | ||
| It has now grown to, like, it's everything. | ||
| It's all of his narratives wrapped in one. | ||
| And it gets worse in this next clip because he takes it... | ||
| He takes it to another place that he has no reason to take it. | ||
| Can you believe that only DrudgeReport.com covered this in the videos? | ||
| Like, you think America will want to know? | ||
| Like, people from an Ebola country, thousands are pouring in. | ||
| Buses all day are pulling up. | ||
| People are going God knows where. | ||
| Not vetted. | ||
| They admit 30% of them in sex slavery. | ||
| They don't give a frat behind, baby, because it's Allah Akbar. | ||
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You just saw it. | |
| This is the leftist takedown of the country, baby. | ||
| I don't like how much he's saying baby, quite frankly. | ||
| That's evidence of him drinking. | ||
| It's off-putting. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Also, I guess they're Muslims now? | ||
| Yeah, they're also Muslims. | ||
| Why does he think that? | ||
| Because they're not like us, Dan. | ||
| I don't know what he's... | ||
| If they're not like us, they're Muslims. | ||
| I do not know what he's doing, man. | ||
| Like, for this entire episode, the attacks on the refugees from the Congo were pretty focused. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, like, at least the first couple hours of the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the 10th, June 10th episode. | ||
| It was disgusting stuff and completely inaccurate and based on overt white nationalism, but it went down a pretty straight line of the Ebola fear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, towards the end of the show, I think he's had a few drinks, and now these folks are Muslims who want to take down America. | ||
| If Alex knew anything about the topics he covered on air, he would know that according to the Pew Research Center, Congo's population is 96% Christian. | ||
| Only about 1% of the country is Muslim, which is not too much higher than the US percentage, which is 0.8%. | ||
| I really think Alex started drinking during the commercial breaks when Roger was on because he knew the drudge was linked to him. | ||
| He was drinking out of a drudge mug. | ||
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He had a drudge mug on camera. | |
| And Owen seems pretty annoyed. | ||
| If you're watching the video, he doesn't seem to be enjoying the exchange all too much. | ||
| Alex's behavior has completely changed. | ||
| It's very insane. | ||
| He's trying to work in all the different groups he hates to build up this conspiracy, and Owen's just trying to keep the ball moving forward because he's proud of whatever field piece he did. | ||
| This is a sad, disgusting picture, and it doesn't get better. | ||
| Yeah, I would like to know what he's drinking because he's only on air for three hours, and he's ahead of the game, I would say. | ||
| I mean, at a reasonable rate, it takes me longer than three hours to get to their Muslims coming in. | ||
| I think his tolerance might be really low. | ||
| Could be because of his lack of oxygen. | ||
| I don't know if that's the case, but people respond to substances differently. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And there's a decent chance that he has a thing where he drinks a bit, gets pretty drunk pretty quick, and then can... | ||
| Keep maintaining for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, that's good stuff. | ||
| Yeah, people respond differently. | ||
| Sometimes people pass out, some don't. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It could just be his biology. | ||
| I am furious at anyone who says, why do we have to be the ones who take them in? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I hate that. | ||
| I hate that so much because that's... | ||
| Why do we have to be the ones? | ||
| Because that's who we fucking are. | ||
| That was the whole gig, man. | ||
| It was a big part of this Americana. | ||
| That was the whole idea. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's why we take them in. | ||
| Because that's what originally drew people to this stupid fucking country. | ||
| And all of these different... | ||
| The other countries aren't the melting pot that we are. | ||
| That's why people thought we were so great. | ||
| And now they see us for the white nationalist dumbasses that we are. | ||
| And that's what's fucking going down. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You piece of shit, Troyer. | ||
| Well, hey, don't talk bad about him. | ||
| He's one of the only brave people left in this country. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's a brave American. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Just me having the courage of going in there and asking a question, I could tell that some of the people in there were like, whoa, is an American actually standing up for America right now? | ||
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This is not good for us. | |
| We heard this is a country of slaves. | ||
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And then we're somehow bad, Alex. | |
| The most humanitarian aid given out to foreign countries. | ||
| Oh, they all want to get here, and then once it's all free, we suck, and white people are bad. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| White people are bad. | ||
| I agree with Salon and CNN. | ||
| White people are evil! | ||
| Man, he is going through something. | ||
| But I want to talk about what Owen Troyer said. | ||
| Not the part about him being a brave American and all that stuff. | ||
| But to his question about why the U.S. is... | ||
| If the U.S. is so bad, why do we give out so much foreign aid? | ||
| I mean, I have an answer. | ||
| But I'm not going to provide that answer because I have a way more fun way to respond without getting into how resources are misdirected and all that sort of shit. | ||
| Before Trump came along, the only politician Alex and Infowars completely supported was Ron Paul. | ||
| He was the gold standard among all politicians, and Alex's operation was fully behind his runs for president in 2008 and 2012. | ||
| Alex loved Ron Paul so much that he even supported his wet noodle of a son, Rand. | ||
| One of Ron Paul's signature issues was his proposal to literally abolish all foreign aid, a position that even former Alex Jones guest Webster Tarpley has said is tantamount to willing genocide into existence. | ||
| Even figures who are fairly conservative look on Ron Paul's approach to this issue as manifestly cruel and really fucked up. | ||
| But this is Alex's favorite politician of all time, and I've never heard him say something like, I love Ron Paul, but I think he's a little out there on wanting to stop sending emergency aid to places. | ||
| What I'm getting at is that when you exist within a propaganda organization that carried water for a Muppet-voiced asshole who's dead set on eliminating foreign aid for over a decade, you don't get any points from bringing up how great this country is for providing foreign aid, something you're manifestly against. | ||
| My point here, Owen Troyer is very stupid, and this whole operation exists as an opportunistically abusive machine. | ||
| Infowars supported Ron Paul's desire to abolish foreign aid because it would hurt other people and presumably provide more money for, quote-unquote, us. | ||
| Now they're perfectly happy to act like they support foreign aid so they can use said aid as a weapon to shame immigrants and refugees. | ||
| This is crucial to understand. | ||
| What they're doing appears on the surface to be hypocritical. | ||
| But if you understand what it was about their former position and their present actions, it becomes clear that what motivates both is the same. | ||
| A hatred of people unlike themselves. | ||
| That's key. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| At a certain point, do you think they're going to go... | ||
| All the way around and be like, hey, we're going to start sending more foreign aid so you don't come here. | ||
| It would be an interesting argument for them to try and make. | ||
| I would see if they could do that. | ||
| I don't think they ever could because it would probably involve increased taxation. | ||
| Their base would turn on them for that. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| It would be an interesting attempt on their part to make a compromise between these weird beliefs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that they value cruelty more than anything else. | ||
| I don't think they would do that. | ||
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| Because it would be like decreased cruelty and increased taxes. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That is a non-starter. | ||
| That's the worst thing that I could possibly think of. | ||
| So, now at this point, Roger has left. | ||
| And Owen's still there. | ||
| But Alex has another guest who comes in. | ||
| And that is Caitlin Bennett. | ||
| The girl who is most famous for walking around Kent State with a gun. | ||
| Yeah, she's great. | ||
| She has been a humiliating douche since then. | ||
| Got involved with, like, Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk's organization, and then I guess wasn't. | ||
| She's great. | ||
| I don't really have many feelings about her other than, like... | ||
| This is a fucked up appearance that she has on the show. | ||
| Because she starts talking about an interaction that she had when she was out making a field piece for Infowars. | ||
| And what she's clearly describing is someone who was willing to talk to her until they realized who she was. | ||
| But she's describing it as like, they turned in the middle of the interview. | ||
| It's just very bizarre to see this kind of lack of awareness. | ||
| Probably intentionally. | ||
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But the guy in the white shirt that said nobody's illegal, I actually had a good conversation with him and we actually interviewed him and he gave a pretty good answer. | |
| It wasn't a bad answer. | ||
| It wasn't a clickbait answer. | ||
| And then it's like he realized, oh crap, Iris remembered my program is working now. | ||
| I don't like her. | ||
| So he went and got his dad and then his dad and himself teamed up and decided that they were going to come attack me. | ||
| I mean, he's old enough to know not to act like this. | ||
| He's old enough to know. | ||
| And then he's teaching his son to treat women like that. | ||
| And these are the real Democrats that are out there. | ||
| This is not a minority. | ||
| People say that this is a minority in the Democratic Party, and it's not. | ||
| This happens all the time to me. | ||
| If it were a minority, it wouldn't happen every time I go out. | ||
| Well, I think that the only thing that's the same every time you go out is you. | ||
| So, if the same thing seems to be happening every time you go out, you've got to realize that the only variable that is the same in all of those circumstances is what you bring to it. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| She doesn't either. | ||
| No, I believe all Democrats are programmed to attack... | ||
| I think she's specifically trying to say that it's all women as well. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| It's all sexist men, which, if she's receiving a bunch of... | ||
| And I'm sure she is receiving a bunch of shit... | ||
| Bag attacks from the quote-unquote left on Twitter. | ||
| I certainly... | ||
| Oh, yeah, probably. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| Yeah, I guarantee you. | ||
| And that's bad. | ||
| That's wrong. | ||
| In the videos that she put out, I don't know why I did this to myself, but I did watch a bunch of them. | ||
| And I don't see that being represented in those videos. | ||
| It probably does exist in some form. | ||
| And that's wrong. | ||
| That's absolutely wrong, period. | ||
| But if you're a fucking asshole to people on the street, like you are... | ||
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| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| And the idea that he didn't know who she was and then got the sense of like, oh, she's poking. | ||
| She's trying to antagonize me. | ||
| Maybe I know who she is. | ||
| Maybe I don't. | ||
| I don't want to talk to you anymore. | ||
| That's not your programming kicking in. | ||
| That's realizing the conversation you're in is with someone who has bad faith. | ||
| Deciding, I'm done with this. | ||
| How old was the person? | ||
| Probably mid-twenties. | ||
| Maybe younger. | ||
| It's hard for me to tell anymore. | ||
| He was youthful, though, for sure. | ||
| He was a youth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we'll get more into her videos here in a second, because like I said, I did watch a bunch of them, and they're dog shit. | ||
| But Alex is really on this thing where he's like, I send Millie and Caitlin out there, and they just get attacked. | ||
| All these dudes attack them. | ||
| They attack them, and I can't stand that. | ||
| I can't believe these people aren't chivalrous, and my women are out there on the streets, and they're being attacked. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to be misogynist in the middle of decrying misogyny! | ||
| But it's for a reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And here's the reason. | ||
| And I told Millie, I said, Millie, you've got to stop going out in public. | ||
| She said, no, I'm going to keep doing it. | ||
| This is the right thing. | ||
| And we're not trying to be victims here, folks. | ||
| These are women getting beat up. | ||
| And I'm literally looking at the bills and what we're under here, and I want to hire more reporters, but let me tell you something. | ||
| I need to be able to send registered armed men who are off-duty police. | ||
| Those are $50 to $100 an hour for high-conflict stuff. | ||
| The good ones are $100 an hour. | ||
| I've got all the former Blackwater people ready. | ||
| What? | ||
| I just need an extra $10,000 a month. | ||
| We'll have our women defended here. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| There's a lot of craziness in there. | ||
| First of all, what you responded to, that he has Blackwater ready to go. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Alex, your past self would tell you do not work with Blackwater. | ||
| They are evil mercenaries. | ||
| Yeah, you remember all those war crimes that Blackwater committed? | ||
| Or, hey, Alex, you remember all the times you talked about Blackwater being a bunch of war criminals? | ||
| Yeah, you didn't like Blackwater. | ||
| Oh, you didn't. | ||
| Something changed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, curious. | ||
| But the other thing is he's using their perceived victimhood to try and raise $10,000 a month more. | ||
| Which is fucked up. | ||
| We can't send women out there. | ||
| They're too weak by themselves. | ||
| And then you know what's even more fucked up? | ||
| What happened to open carry? | ||
| What happened to your whole idea of, like, Michael Moore is a hypocrite because he has armed guards when everyone should just carry guns themselves. | ||
| Why not just give Millie and her a gun? | ||
| Why don't you give Caitlyn a gun? | ||
| Damn, they're... | ||
| They're ladies. | ||
| We're trying to be chivalrous, Dan. | ||
| We can't allow the women to be in any kind of conflict. | ||
| I don't think that that's what's motivating Alex. | ||
| I think it's that he knows that that's bullshit. | ||
| He needs a show of force around them, or some sort of intimidation, but he doesn't want them actually having guns. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| He doesn't want these things escalating. | ||
| He just wants, like, big muscle around them. | ||
| Infowars' former Blackwater bodyguard killed one person today in a, quote, self-defense. | ||
| I mean, it does come down to the misogyny of chivalry, too. | ||
| It really is in there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So I don't know why I did this to myself, but because Alex kept going on and on about these assaults and stuff, I decided I would watch all of Caitlyn's videos that she just put out from when she went down to Pride, and she's playing the victim super aggressively. | ||
| Yeah, she was looking for a soul to steal. | ||
| I've never watched any long stretches of her work in the past, and man, she is... | ||
| Fucking incompetent as a person on the street. | ||
| Like, that style of bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She is fucking trash at this. | ||
| The only value that she has in that field as a person on the street reporter is that she doesn't stop talking. | ||
| That's basically the only thing. | ||
| If I were, like, giving a performance review, that would be in the pros. | ||
| Everything else would be in the negatives. | ||
| Like, you are... | ||
| You don't stop. | ||
| I mean, that's what we're looking for. | ||
| Good. | ||
| So, the assault that she suffered is that some girl bumped into her and then pretended that she had gotten pushed, and that's why she bumped into her. | ||
| Ugh, lame. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Later, a cop talks to her because a ton of people complained about her behavior and warns her that if there are more complaints, she might get charged with disorderly conduct, which is just, I mean, that's something that happens if you're disrupting people. | ||
| You know, that's the consequence of your behavior. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Caitlin then complains that she's been assaulted. | ||
| And so the cop asks if she'd like to file a complaint. | ||
| He was very helpful. | ||
| He's like, okay, well, let's, you know, do you want to file a complaint about that? | ||
| Because we can. | ||
| Caitlin then realizes that she has the assault on camera. | ||
| So she considers filing a complaint. | ||
| But then she realizes that if she does, the cop will have to take her camera as evidence to investigate the complaint. | ||
| And she won't be able to post this video to rile up her fans and get the attention that she so desperately wants. | ||
| Immediately, she's clear about not wanting to file a report and starts reframing the situation as the police wanting to confiscate her property. | ||
| The cop handles himself quite well, making it clear to her that he knows what game she's playing and that if she wants to file a complaint, they can do it. | ||
| But if she keeps bothering people, then there might be another complaint and she might be asked to leave. | ||
| She just keeps asking like she's being oppressed by this cop explaining to her that there are consequences for your actions. | ||
| If you're out in public and people keep complaining about your behavior, you might be asked to leave a place. | ||
| Free speech. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| Free speech. | ||
| You do have free speech. | ||
| Free speech! | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, I mean, if you're drunkenly yelling at somebody, you could be asked to leave somewhere, even if it's a public place. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| They are absolutely suppressing the free speech rights of alcoholics in bars these days. | ||
| This might be a case. | ||
| We need to set up an alcoholic Twitter. | ||
| Alex is going to take this up. | ||
| You might run with this one. | ||
| Trump is going to launch a drunk Twitter. | ||
| So I thought this was a really pathetic display, this video. | ||
| I mean, obviously this girl shouldn't have bumped her, but in the scale of things, it's like, this is fucking lame. | ||
| That said, there is one woman in this video that I think is the fucking coolest. | ||
| So Caitlin's out there pretending to want to interview people and then just being like, she's just antagonizing people. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then there's this clearly drunk girl with blue hair that just has her phone pointed at Caitlin and she keeps saying, you're the gun girl! | ||
| And then, like, she just keeps cracking herself up. | ||
| She's like, it's the cunt girl! | ||
| And it's, oh man, it made me laugh so hard. | ||
| That's so good. | ||
| It's the closest thing to actual joy that has ever been on video with an InfoWars watermark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's delightful. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, now that's so much more effective than any kind of argument. | ||
| Make her look silly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't even bother with, like, What do you got to say, cunt girl? | ||
| What are you political positions? | ||
| No, no, no, you're the lady who got hit. | ||
| The milkshake! | ||
| You are a lady who got... | ||
| Oh, milkshake lady! | ||
| No, don't do that, because that feeds into their victimhood complex. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Make fun of something that they presumably are proud of. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| A little something that is an imagined accomplishment. | ||
| I took a picture with a gun. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| You're the good girl! | ||
| The amount that this girl was sincerely laughing about the idea that Caitlyn Bennett exists is... | ||
| So delightful. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| That is great. | ||
| So then there's another clip that she has that's from a Pete Buttigieg rally. | ||
| And a guy did knock her camera out of her assistant's hand in that video. | ||
| And, you know, based on what she has on film, it looks kind of egregious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's unclear what happened before this. | ||
| The video is clearly edited to make it look like it was a completely unprompted thing, but it doesn't seem like it is. | ||
| Kalen's entire brand is poking people to try and antagonize them into yelling at her so she can prove her victimhood. | ||
| Obviously, he shouldn't have touched her or her camera, but from watching the footage, I definitely don't think it accurately portrays their interaction. | ||
| It's propaganda. | ||
| And the message is that Caitlyn is a victim of leftist violence. | ||
| That's what the video is actually about. | ||
| It's not about Pete Buttigieg or his supporters at all. | ||
| The message is leftists are attacking this saintly white woman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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In the last two and a half years that we've been doing this show, I've listened to thousands of hours of Alex Jones'show. | |
| And I would do that all over again before I watched another 20 minutes of Caitlin Bennett doing whatever it is she does. | ||
| It's just bad faith trolling masquerading as journalism. | ||
| And more than that, it's super boring. | ||
| The way she misinterprets news isn't, it's not interesting. | ||
| And she's not even really clever enough to spin her way out of most interactions with the people she's talking to. | ||
| For instance, at that Pride rally, some of the attendees are saying to her that she has no reason to... | ||
| To which she responds, and I'm getting it! | ||
| And I'm getting it! | ||
| I love it! | ||
| A propagandist in better control of themselves wouldn't allow that sort of optic to exist when it's really easy just to counter with something like what needs attention is how intolerant the left is or some dumb shit like that. | ||
| She doesn't even have the chops to think on her feet on that basic level. | ||
| It's just a disgraceful display. | ||
| But bottom line, she sucks. | ||
| That girl shouldn't have bumped into her, but honestly, I lose my ability to care about her complaints when a cop directly offered to take a complaint and file it for her multiple times, and she decided not to because it would slow down the release of this propaganda. | ||
| Propaganda victimhood baiting video. | ||
| So I decided to look into her a little bit because of how extreme Alex is and her praise of her and how fucked up it is, all these assaults and stuff. | ||
| But that's why we're talking about it a little bit. | ||
| I promise I'm not going to talk about her ever again. | ||
| I do not find her interesting. | ||
| I was trying to find a way to capture this, and I'm not entirely sure this is going to make sense. | ||
| But one of the things that makes Alex's propaganda interesting is it's complicated. | ||
| There's a bunch of things he's pretending to reference. | ||
| The stories aren't easily... | ||
| If I were sitting down with him talking about stuff, most of the time I couldn't rebut what he's saying with like, oh, you just misunderstand this. | ||
| With Caitlin, it's so easy to just be like, oh, you just don't know what that word means. | ||
| It's just like, oh, no, I understand what the misunderstanding is. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The willful misinterpretations are surface level that she's doing. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| It's just dumb. | ||
| Yeah, it's dumb. | ||
| I hate to say that it's beneath the class of folk that I want to... | ||
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| I want to look at. | ||
| Why would you hate to say it? | ||
| It is beneath the glass of the folks that you want to look at. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about some rich oil families in Texas that he's related to. | ||
| Yeah, I'm surprised. | ||
| And he says something very interesting. | ||
| I want to hire security for these ladies. | ||
| Folks, I know all these Texas oil families. | ||
| That I'm related to. | ||
| I never got any money from it. | ||
| They're like, oh, you're doing great, Alex. | ||
| These people have helicopter pads. | ||
| They have mansions all over the world, but they never give a damn dime to freedom. | ||
| He says that they have helicopter pads. | ||
| They never give a damn dime to freedom. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Stingy. | ||
| I have literally never heard Alex talk about people in Texas who have helicopter pads who are super rich, except when he's been specifically describing the people who tried to lure him into Satanism when he was younger. | ||
| It's the only other time helicopter pads in Texas have come up with rich people. | ||
| He's related to the Satanists who tried to lure him as a child. | ||
| Further reinforcing your argument. | ||
| I think he's a Satanist! | ||
| I think he's a Satanist! | ||
| Dan, I think I accidentally stumbled onto something brilliant. | ||
| I think that that's possible, and I want that to be the case. | ||
| The other possibility is that this imagined rich mansion with helicopter pads is the only thing his brain can really pull up as an image of this high-class kind of thing. | ||
| And so when he needs to describe the Satanists as really rich, helicopter pad, that's what he goes to. | ||
| I think it's either he's a Satanist or he has a childish imagination that only... | ||
| He has a few stops along the way. | ||
| You know, and it does... | ||
| Actually, it makes perfect sense that he has a childhood imagination regarding wealth because that is how people view... | ||
| Like, that's Trump's whole brand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trump's whole brand is a very, like, you know... | ||
| Unsubtle view of what wealth means. | ||
| You mean his gold apartment? | ||
| Yeah, he's always got to be displaying wealth. | ||
| It's performative. | ||
| Yeah, and that's not, you know. | ||
| So, of course, Jones would get on his train because, look, it's the very picture of what I see as success. | ||
| Yeah, that makes it that much worse. | ||
| Immediately, back in 2015, Alex was like, all that wealth is bullshit. | ||
| He's pretending. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, in this next clip, man, one of the things I love the most about Alex Jones from ten years ago is hearing him sing along with the Highwaymen. | ||
| And it turns out Alex, when he's drunk in 2019, also likes to talk about the Highwaymen, and it's not as fun anymore. | ||
| I'm going to steal me a silver scouting. | ||
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I had to do some Silver Bullet from Infowarsstore.com before and after I was in the Ebola camp. | |
| Listen to Will and Jennings. | ||
| Just a touch of sadness in her fingers. | ||
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Thunder and lightning in her thighs. | |
| I've never seen anybody attack women in public. | ||
| Cowards do it in private. | ||
| The fact that the left attacks women in public everywhere is a sign of their downfall. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| So, I like that Owen is trying to do a plug. | ||
| Like, he's pretty smooth there, but it turns out Alex likes Waylon Jennings more than he likes... | ||
| Selling silver bullet. | ||
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I like that on a professional show. | |
| At one point, the guy's like, shut up, shut up, shut up. | ||
| This is my favorite song. | ||
| Shut up, shut up. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I know that moment, man. | ||
| I've been there. | ||
| Yeah, I know, right? | ||
| That's fine, but we can't be doing that. | ||
| It's a bad look. | ||
| Speaking of bad looks, Caitlin's still there. | ||
| I'm not saying this about her looks. | ||
| I'm saying the way Alex behaves in this clip is a bad look. | ||
| Because he starts talking about how great she is. | ||
| And he slips at the end of this. | ||
| Caitlin Bennett, you know, I've been watching your work for like the last year and a half since you went public at Penn State. | ||
| It was Kent State. | ||
| And since you've done that, you have been on fire. | ||
| And you put up with the lies, you put up with the fake disinfo pieces they put out against you, the same things to me, the same fake memes, and you've embraced it. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| I salute you, and I've got three daughters, and I hope that my daughters grow up to be like you. | ||
| I admire you. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I envy your fiancé. | ||
| I love my wife. | ||
| I'm not saying I want to try to marry you. | ||
| I'm saying I am envious of you. | ||
| Why are you envious of her fiancé? | ||
| Why would you say something like that? | ||
| You know, I get that as like an oblique compliment. | ||
| Like the idea being like, hey, you're so great, I'm envious of your fiancé for getting to be with you. | ||
| Not necessarily meaning, you know, let's bang. | ||
| But Alex means let's bang! | ||
| Yeah, it's not an appropriate thing to say. | ||
| It sounds like something that a dad, a drunk dad would say at a wedding. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think it's a real slip. | ||
| Because, look, what does Alex know about Caitlin's fiancée? | ||
| That he exists? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| That he gets to be with her. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That is about it. | ||
| That's all he knows. | ||
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| I'm envious of your fiancée. | ||
| That's gross. | ||
| So, in this next clip, like, you're saying Alex is drunk. | ||
| You haven't heard from drunk yet. | ||
| Here he starts to give a speech about gender, and it's a very interesting perspective that he's bringing to the table. | ||
| No! | ||
| But the truth is, every woman is half her father. | ||
| Every son is half his mother. | ||
| We are unified. | ||
| There is no sex. | ||
| Humans are unified in total collectivism of the genetics of the species, but individualism manifests the resistance and manifests the race destiny, and the enemy fears the destiny. | ||
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| I left that pause in there because it's a bit of a time before anyone responds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, Alex, you don't know what you're even saying. | ||
| Alex, those words all mean things, but when you put them together... | ||
| They don't mean anything. | ||
| So, I mean, I guess he's saying that, like, there is no clear-cut genders and all that stuff is up for grabs. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Congratulations, Alex. | ||
| You've come around to the thing you scream against all the time. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, you're no longer transphobic. | ||
| No, he still is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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| He's just drunk. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex, again, is expressing a bizarre level of drunkenness. | ||
| They're still on this gender tip, and Caitlin starts discussing how she believes that gender roles, and specific gender roles, are what give society its strength. | ||
| And then Alex responds very bizarrely. | ||
|
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You know, there's a lot of people, a lot of Democrats and feminists, and I know I keep saying it, but they think it's... | |
| Worse to be a mother and want to be a home taker and take care of your family. | ||
| They berate women who want to simply just be moms or be feminine or wear high heels and wear pink and have those gender roles. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with having these gender roles because that's what makes up our society. | ||
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That's why the American culture is so strong is because we have gender roles. | |
| The high heels, all of it is putting on a pedestal. | ||
| It's on a pedestal. | ||
| And you should... | ||
| Mama! | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| You should... | ||
| Mama! | ||
| You know, in the same way that I, like, empathize with the situation where Alex is getting tossed aside and no loyalty from Roger Stone, in the same way it's like with her and Alex, I get you, uh, you... | ||
| Support right-wing positions and everything. | ||
| It's a good scam. | ||
| But you're going to be treated like a second-class citizen. | ||
| So, you know, he's going to be a shit asshole to you. | ||
| So, fucking, I'm sorry. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| It's a world where everyone is getting one up on each other. | ||
| It's hard to figure out any time you should care. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, one thing that I think is really important to discuss here, and I think it's one of those really surface-level misunderstandings that Caitlyn has, is that if anybody thinks that wearing pink or being a mother is somehow against feminism or is against the principles of the left or anything like that, then they're a shithead. | ||
| And I don't think there are many people who actually believe that. | ||
| I think that the surface-level misunderstanding that she has is the idea that people should be made to feel... | ||
| The idea that these traditionally feminine ideas are what you must subscribe to, what you must manifest. | ||
| You need to... | ||
| Well, that was one of the central conflicts of second-wave feminism, is whether or not it was, like, the driver was absolutely rejecting all of these gender roles and acting out in that, you know... | ||
| We can no longer just be considered mothers and all of that stuff. | ||
| And if you do participate in those behaviors, you are shackling yourself to the same bullshit that they've always done. | ||
| But what social context did that exist in? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What social context do we exist in now? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which is why there are other waves of feminism. | ||
| It didn't stop with second wave feminism. | ||
| It continued moving on. | ||
| And the evolution now is very much like... | ||
| Choose. | ||
| As long as you have agency and complete agency, then you're good. | ||
| I know someone who has a daughter, and they're trying to raise them with the understanding that I'm not giving you gendered toys. | ||
| I'm not going to make your bedroom pink. | ||
| I'm not going to give Barbie dolls and things that are over the top. | ||
| Puzzles and toys that are agendered. | ||
| And that isn't something that is like, should you gravitate towards those things, I will stop you from playing with them. | ||
| It's just that I won't make it the expectation for you. | ||
| I think that that's the subtle difference that people like Caitlin and Alex don't understand and push back on as if it were a condemnation of the feminine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you want to subscribe to a gender role because that's what you want, who gives a shit? | ||
| I don't think anyone is opposed to that. | ||
| Or at least most people are. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say. | ||
| There are some people, but that's not indicative of the groups that they rail on. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, currently I... | ||
| Clean all day, and I take care of all the animals and all that stuff. | ||
| I am feeling, you know, and I cook, so I'm feeling what would be considered the traditional gender role, and nobody is like, how dare you act like that? | ||
| The people who have these ideas in their head and are really rigid about them are the people on the right. | ||
| And the people who are in these traditional expectation spheres. | ||
| Because people like Lauren Southern have come out and talked about how they don't want necessarily to be a housewife and have to raise kids. | ||
| And their fan base got pretty mad about that. | ||
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Of course. | |
| They are the ones who are imposing something on other people. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't speak for everybody, but... | ||
| Anything about Caitlin Bennett that I've ever been offended by has nothing to do with her wearing dresses and having long hair and the things that she brings up as her feminine role or whatever. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's everything to do with the behavior. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so I just wish that they'd get a little more nuanced. | ||
| But they can't because it's an intentional misunderstanding. | ||
| Yeah, and also some of that gender role. | ||
| Stuff is self-justifying along the way. | ||
| It is comforting to believe if you are in a gender role that you are where you are supposed to be. | ||
| And watching people do stuff that you feel like you can't, you then have to be like, well, no, that's because they're wrong. | ||
| Otherwise, you're going to have to do a lot of self-reflecting on all of that. | ||
| That's probably in the mix too. | ||
| So we have one last clip, but it's a pretty long one. | ||
| Because Alex, like I said, you can tell that he's drunk. | ||
| You can tell that he's fucked up. | ||
| And he's like, I'm jealous of your fiancé. | ||
| Gender roles are to put women on pedestals. | ||
| Mommy! | ||
| He's all over the place. | ||
| And so he comes back after Caitlyn leaves and Owen's gone. | ||
| And I've never done this before, but I'm going to play an entire segment. | ||
| Commercial to commercial. | ||
| Of his last, on the 11th, his last commercial break before he hands the baton off to Paul Joseph Watson to host the fourth hour. | ||
| Because it is an absurd thing. | ||
| And I think, you know, I don't think people understand what his show sometimes is like. | ||
| This is an entire segment. | ||
| You know, I want to get this out front for people. | ||
| Because I'm not a dramatic person, but they've got some really bad forces circling me right now, which is fine. | ||
| I expected this. | ||
| I wanted to fight. | ||
| I actually feel good. | ||
| The weird thing is I see evil stuff going on and really bad people after me. | ||
| I'm like, damn, I'm doing my job. | ||
| It's like I see it like dollar signs for Jesus. | ||
|
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What? | |
| For humanity, for our future. | ||
| I see it like winning the lottery, and they're like, don't you know we'll do this, we'll do that? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, no, that's why I did what I did 25 years ago. | ||
| But they are really pissed off right now. | ||
|
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Who? | |
| And you can feel in the middle of 2019 that we're entering that crossroads right now together. | ||
| See you later. | ||
| You know, I've seen things out of my fellow Americans that make me ashamed to be an American. | ||
| But I've also seen things from my fellow Americans that make me proud to be an American. | ||
| We're a minute in and he hasn't said anything. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He said nothing. | ||
| No, he said that they are coming to get him and that makes him feel good. | ||
| Because that means he's doing the right thing. | ||
| Some things Americans do great, some bad. | ||
| Lotteries? | ||
| This is, like, it's nothing. | ||
| These words mean nothing. | ||
| They're so vague. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| And that's really the paradox here. | ||
| You've got this commitment from me. | ||
| One trillion percent. | ||
| I won't sell out one damn piece of our agenda. | ||
| I will settle it. | ||
| I'll never back down one percent. | ||
| In fact, I'll probably die of a heart attack, worried that I'm not fighting as hard as I can. | ||
| And that's nothing special. | ||
| That's what it's like to be red-blooded. | ||
| But I just am so blessed in 2019 to know all of you. | ||
| When I shake your hands on the street, when I take pictures of you, when I read your emails and I see what you're doing, your hopes and dreams, and I just wish that I was wiser. | ||
| You know, like the Bible says. | ||
| I wish I was wise. | ||
| Wise. | ||
| Matthew 11. Like a serpent, peaceful as a dove, whatever. | ||
| I'll be honest, I'm not. | ||
| We know. | ||
| Because I've been far beyond the realms of death now. | ||
| You're not wise as a serpent, peaceful as a dove, because you're dumb and violent. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I've seen the enemy. | ||
| I've seen their plan. | ||
| I've seen what they... | ||
| What they're currently doing. | ||
| It's just so crazy. | ||
| You're like, why would this happen? | ||
| You're so close. | ||
| It wouldn't. | ||
| Good men and good women were just trying to live our lives. | ||
| And because we weren't satanic, we could never imagine people were. | ||
| Well, let me tell you something, folks. | ||
| Evil is as real as the sun coming up in the morning. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And as Thomas Jefferson said 240-something years ago. | ||
| Let's hear this. | ||
| All that evil men and tyrants seem to flourish is that good men do nothing. | ||
| So, this isn't a Thomas Jefferson quote. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I was very excited when he said it. | ||
| Once he said, like, Thomas Jefferson said, I was like, ooh, who actually said what you're about to say? | ||
| I mean, that's a real quote, but Alex is completely fucking up the attribution. | ||
| It's actually really interesting the way he's doing it. | ||
| Because very commonly, that quote is erroneously attributed to Edmund Burke. | ||
| JFK even made that mistake in a speech he delivered back in 1961, but there's no record of Edmund Burke ever saying that. | ||
| The quote traces back to the philosopher John Stuart Mill. | ||
| The original quote is, quote, Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends than that good men should look on and do nothing. | ||
| From that point forward, it was a game of telephone until somebody found the right phrasing of John Stuart Mill's words. | ||
| I can't even find any real evidence that anyone other than Alex thinks that's a Jefferson quote. | ||
| Point is, every single time Alex Jones tries to quote Thomas Jefferson, it's a completely fake quote or something someone else said. | ||
| He's a complete idiot and he knows literally nothing about the person who is his hero. | ||
| Yeah, that is really funny that he quotes Thomas Jefferson all the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| And yet he's never... | ||
| Does he know anything that Thomas Jefferson said? | ||
| He has some lore. | ||
| Is that an issue? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's a big issue. | ||
| And it's crazy to me because I'm not... | ||
| I don't think we forced it. | ||
| Or anything like this. | ||
| But it has become a thing where you hear him bring up Thomas Jefferson and you're like... | ||
| I want to preemptively be like, get that name out your mouth. | ||
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Yeah, it's like, Alex, come on, man. | |
| And I'm going to tell you how the universe works. | ||
| I don't have all the answers, but let me tell you something. | ||
| As Martin Luther King said, justice, the universe bends towards justice. | ||
| So I'm going to tell you a little secret. | ||
| So, that's not a Martin Luther King Jr. quote. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That is something he said, but it is not a quote of his per se. | ||
| The metaphor of the arc of the universe being long but bending towards justice was something that had a long tradition when he used it in his 1956 statement after the Montgomery bus boycott. | ||
| The first person to be credited with this expression is Theodore Parker, a Unitarian minister and noted abolitionist, who included the phrasing in his 1853 book, Ten Sermons of Religion. | ||
| This one's more acceptable for Alex to not know the history of because Martin Luther King did make it much more popular. | ||
| But I've made it my mission in life to explain how all Alex really knows are sound bites. | ||
| He has no idea of the context any of the things he talks about exists in. | ||
| Both Martin Luther King and Theodore Parker would have hated Alex Jones and everything he stands for. | ||
| So, all this is bullshit. | ||
| Alex is stupid. | ||
| Little secret. | ||
| If you don't stand up against evil... | ||
| You might be a redneck. | ||
| God doesn't recognize you. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| So close. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you know about good and evil. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you know the secrets of the universe or good and evil. | ||
| If you don't stand up against evil and if you don't take licks for the truth, God will reject you. | ||
| So I'm going to tell you again. | ||
| Taking Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior is important. | ||
| But if you really take Jesus Christ, if you're Lord and Savior, you're going to stand up against evil. | ||
| So I don't think he said really much of anything at this point. | ||
| I have not heard anything specific. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| It's all vague platitudes and secrets of the universe and all this random belief bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, it makes me think he does. | ||
| He reminds me of somebody channeling someone saying, you don't need to do a different voice. | ||
| It's someone who thinks they have something profound to say. | ||
| And doesn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I want to make this clear. | ||
| I haven't edited this at all. | ||
| This is the entire segment. | ||
| We are just pausing it at points. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| So, you look at this whole devil-worshipping world, you say, oh, God doesn't exist, all that. | ||
| As you watch world government and Mark of the Beast being openly manifest, and you don't think God's real? | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, I'll give you a newsflash. | ||
| God's real. | ||
| The Holy Ghost is real. | ||
| Jesus Christ is real. | ||
| And Satan and Baphomet and all of his millions of servants are real. | ||
| We're throwing Baphomet in there? | ||
| That's the Bible. | ||
| That's old, baby. | ||
| That ain't old. | ||
| Baby, that ain't old, the Bible? | ||
| Dusty Rhodes? | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| That's God creating a whole new group of people that have free will like he does on a planet. | ||
| But realizing those children are going to have to face free will. | ||
| Are they? | ||
| And so God had one rule. | ||
| If I'm going to give birth to billions of free consciousness creatures, I'm going to have to let my failure lucifer upon them. | ||
| That's the only rule. | ||
| God had one rule. | ||
| I'm going to make humans? | ||
| I'm going to sick the devil on them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is negotiating that. | ||
| As Thomas Jefferson said, you better sick the devil on them, otherwise it's going to be law. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And God said, I want company in the universe. | ||
| I want a future. | ||
| I'm lonely. | ||
| I'm going to have these children, and I'm going to let Satan attack them. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Because they deserve to be free will. | ||
| You don't give somebody free will. | ||
| Without giving them a little Satan? | ||
| You don't create big tech robots that follow the system. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Is this about Facebook? | ||
| If you're going to have a child, like any adult that's had a child. | ||
| Is Facebook God or the devil? | ||
| They're going to die someday. | ||
| To give birth to a child is to give death. | ||
| To have a child is a human sacrifice. | ||
| Pause that. | ||
| That's what a Satanist would say. | ||
| that. | ||
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That is. | |
| laughter laughter laughter laughter laughter To have a child is to give birth to death. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Alex, you've got a great dorm here. | ||
| I love the blacklight posters, but I've got to get the fuck out of here. | ||
| I've got to go. | ||
| I've got to go home. | ||
| Look, the six-pack is gone. | ||
| I've got to be gone, too. | ||
| I really, really love your Einstein with his tongue out poster. | ||
| I think it's really cool. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| The beads in front of the door, perfect. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| To the universe, to God. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
|
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Think about that. | |
| You have a child. | ||
| You're turning them loose in the universe like a ship with little sail on this big ocean of consciousness. | ||
| Children are fish. | ||
| And so that's God's big secret. | ||
| What? | ||
| Is that he so loved the world, he sent his only begotten son so that anyone that believed upon him would be given eternal life. | ||
| You think, that's stupid. | ||
| That's some preacher. | ||
|
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It is stupid. | |
| No, that's real. | ||
| It's free will. | ||
| No, it's stupid. | ||
| God's big secret is the verse in the Bible that literally everyone knows. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| That's a poorly kept secret. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| God gave you consciousness, but you've got to decide that out of all these systems, you want to follow God's program. | ||
| It's a program. | ||
| You're like walking into Best Buy saying, I want the Jesus Christ program from the creator of the planet. | ||
| I want that. | ||
| God's like, oh, you want the program? | ||
| Here's the program. | ||
| By the way, there's going to be some problems before you get past the launch phase because nothing's free. | ||
| You're like, well, I still want the program. | ||
| Okay, well, the wages, sins, or death, this is eternal life, but you're going to get tested a little because you know you never got a job or built a house or had a life without cost. | ||
| And God's like, I just want to make sure before we go to the next level because there's something big going on up there. | ||
| You can all kind of feel there's something big going on. | ||
| This is where things... | ||
| I mean, it's already way off the rails. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Alex says something coming up that you might need to brace yourself for. | ||
| Okay, so pre-Noah was God's alpha testing phase. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Post-Noah was the beta test. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Post-Jesus is full-on Mac OS. | ||
| Like, that's what we're talking? | ||
| I don't know enough about software to know the subtleties, but I'll say yes. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Working the kinks out. | ||
| Imagine when you crest that ocean, that big stormy ocean of God's consciousness. | ||
| Imagine before you go up that stairway and you come up out of that and you're like, oh, wow. | ||
| God's going to be sitting there and you've got this interdimensional machine gun feeding you ammo. | ||
| You're like, yeah, I can't believe I didn't join you, Quinter. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's all about to happen. | ||
| Everything's about to happen. | ||
| God's waiting for you on the other side. | ||
| But you have to say, get behind me, Satan. | ||
| But you look at all these leftists. | ||
| We can make fun of them. | ||
| We can laugh at them. | ||
| We can cry about them. | ||
| But there are people that join the system. | ||
| There are people that are scared. | ||
| There are people that point at the west and say, oh, it was a false system. | ||
| What? | ||
| What did it know? | ||
| Where did that come from? | ||
| It was beta testing. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| But the truth is, You are a spirit. | ||
| You are an eternal piece of data. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
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Cool. | |
| A seed. | ||
| And you're going to either fall to hell or you're going to rise through the dimensions to heaven. | ||
| And you're going to grow and just do things you can't imagine. | ||
| Let me just tell you something. | ||
| I've seen the other side. | ||
| What? | ||
| I've been up a few dimensions. | ||
| Oh, it's amazing. | ||
|
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What? | |
| It's incredible, but it's also really stressful. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| Hold on. | ||
| Hold the fucking phone. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I've been to the higher dimensions. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| What's your review? | ||
| Real stressful. | ||
| I've been up there. | ||
| I give it a C+. | ||
| I've been up there into God's consciousness. | ||
| It is fantastic, but deadlines. | ||
| It's full of deadlines. | ||
| So many deadlines. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Even in his cosmology... | ||
| God is going to ask you to fire an interdimensional machine gun. | ||
| His God is guns. | ||
| But to be fair, if you have a heaven, that would be Alex's heaven. | ||
| If you have any kind of individual input into what heaven is, then why wouldn't there be an interdimensional machine gun for Alex's? | ||
| That's a fucked up thought, but it's also like, that makes total sense for you, Alex. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I didn't even miss a beat on that. | ||
| What I'm more disturbed by is Alex pretending that he's seen multiple levels of God consciousness. | ||
| Really stressful. | ||
| Very stressful. | ||
| Really stressful. | ||
| Such a fun way that I have seen the heavens. | ||
| Depart from me. | ||
| I have walked past the golden gates. | ||
| I have seen God and his vision showed upon me, and I was really fucking stressed by it. | ||
| I was exhausted. | ||
| It is not heaven. | ||
| It is just kind of annoying, like you got your boss over your shoulder. | ||
| It's like an ambivalent evangelist, like an evangelist who wants to tell you about the coming of the glory of God and how much of a headache it's going to be. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's almost more reasonable and yet even crazier. | ||
| It has a shade of believability to it because of the human aspect. | ||
| But anyway, he's going to wrap this up. | ||
| He's got about another minute left. | ||
| So do you want to care about mainline television and mainline culture and all this? | ||
| Or do you really want to experience the universe? | ||
| Unlimited potential. | ||
| To be a god is a big deal. | ||
| You know, the yogis teach everybody's a god, and the Satanists teach you're a god. | ||
| You're not a god. | ||
| We're tossing yogis in? | ||
| You're like a couch. | ||
| Couch? | ||
| I don't mean that meanly. | ||
| You're not the big potential. | ||
| What? | ||
| You're not even the baby. | ||
| You're not even the man. | ||
| You're not the man that built the civilization, built the castle, built the world, built the ships, built the spaceships. | ||
| You're a couch. | ||
| That's an even more offensive version of what he always yelled about Obama, like you didn't build your business. | ||
| I'm a couch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a couch. | ||
| You're just a couch stamp. | ||
| You think because the Satanists tell you you're a god because you have the potential of God, you're a god? | ||
| God has a stairway built for you. | ||
| But there's going to be incredible pressure going up that stairway. | ||
| Paul Watson from England is going to talk about what he wants because it's a free universe. | ||
|
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I'm going to talk about what I talk about. | |
| Alright, I'll see you back tomorrow at 11am Central Live. | ||
| I appreciate this amazing crew and I'm even more thankful for you, the viewer and listener because without you, we are nothing. | ||
| I salute you all and I thank consciousness, free will and God. | ||
| I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| I think. | ||
| That they played money on the way out because there was a subtle, get to a fucking plug. | ||
| You have been preaching for nine minutes. | ||
| This ends with a pivot. | ||
| And it didn't. | ||
| It didn't. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I think Alex was too overwhelmed by his desire to tell people he's been to heaven. | ||
| I think he misses, Roger. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I think he really misses Roger. | ||
| I think that there is a definite element of that, because it drove him to this. | ||
| Yeah, Roger is his dad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The way that Schroyer is Alex, the way Alex is Schroyer's dad, so Roger has become Alex's dad. | ||
| Well, think about what a great situation he was in in 2015. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| In terms of being able to rake in tons of money, fly mostly under the radar with a couple flare-ups here, and then when you want to try and... | ||
| Really go hard for PR. | ||
| But it was mostly under his own control. | ||
| He had a lot of agency over the things that were happening to him. | ||
| He was getting away with saying incredibly horrible things. | ||
| People were just like, he's a fucking clown. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Roger shows up in his life. | ||
| He ends up becoming the biggest Trump booster in the world. | ||
| And a lot of his quality control in terms of... | ||
| His own control slipped away. | ||
| Roger's narrative started becoming Infowars narratives. | ||
| The machine became focused so entirely on the campaign that they lost their way. | ||
| And now, after Trump won, it has to still be the campaign. | ||
| Much like Trump has to do all of his rallies while he's president in order to keep the ball moving, Alex has to fight the deep state because it's a way to keep it as if there's some sort of will-they-won't-they about things. | ||
| What the election was all about. | ||
| Will he win? | ||
| Won't he win? | ||
| Now that he's won, you can't have that tension anymore without a fake villain. | ||
| He's lost everything for Roger, at least in terms of his independence. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, do you think at any point, like even, let's say he lives to 75, do you think at any point he's really going to wrestle with how much Roger Stone used him? | ||
| He's not going to live to 75. No, that's true. | ||
| And no. | ||
| No. | ||
| How can he not know? | ||
| Because so much of his brand is based on self-made, his false image that he's self-made, and the masculinity that's wrapped in there. | ||
| I don't think that there will ever come a point. | ||
| I could see a situation, because people who go to deep recovery, maybe go to AA, get involved in the process. | ||
| There are dramatic changes that people can make in their lives if they're willing to engage in the process. | ||
| And if he did something like that, not necessarily AA... | ||
| Well, maybe he checks into rehab. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, that's entirely reasonable for him, and it's probably for the best. | ||
| But it doesn't have to take that form, but some sort of really intensive therapy. | ||
| Like, if he were able to engage in that process... | ||
| I think you could see a version of Alex Jones that could wrestle with that, but absent that, no. | ||
| He'll always make excuses, always rationalize, and the path he's on just leads further downward. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| This episode is really weird to me, this document of this time, because you have... | ||
| Alex having a really great time demonizing Congolese immigrants. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He felt really good because it's like, oh, this is territory I kind of know. | ||
| I already did the Ebola thing a couple years back. | ||
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Right. | |
| I know some of those beats. | ||
| This is a victory lap. | ||
| Yeah, I can bring back that one-man show that I did a couple years ago. | ||
| All right, P, Nipsey Hussle. | ||
| So he's kind of flying high on that. | ||
| And then I think what ended up happening on the 11th is that just everything went wrong. | ||
| Because it's the Roger thing, and it didn't go the way he wanted it to. | ||
| That's one big piece of it. | ||
| And then he's getting high on his own supply, metaphorically. | ||
| Because the videos that Caitlin Bennett put out, and the video that Owen Schroyer put out, are not supposed to affect Alex. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| They're supposed to affect the audience that then feeds into Alex's machine. | ||
| When he watched those Caitlin Bennett videos, he was the mark. | ||
| And he's being viscerally affected by the propaganda that's supposed to trick everyone else. | ||
| And the same way with Owen's videos with the people out in San Antonio. | ||
| He got viscerally affected by it. | ||
| You can't be the propagandist and under the sway of your own propaganda. | ||
| And that's kind of a lot of the tension that I feel that's coming to the surface with the addition of booze on this show. | ||
| He's really falling apart. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty bad. | ||
| It's really bad. | ||
| And then also after this episode ends, he goes to the Google headquarters in Austin because Steven Crowder was out doing one of his public spectacles where he sets up a table and he had, hate speech doesn't exist, change my mind. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex and Owen Troyer show up and Owen Troyer has a pretty decent conversation. | ||
| Decent. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Heavy quotes. | ||
| Let's calm it down. | ||
| Not yelling at each other. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Conversation. | ||
| Sitting at the table. | ||
| They have a conversation about hate speech and whatever. | ||
| It seemed like a fine exchange between two people that are both dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then when Alex shows up... | ||
| He's trying to make it all about himself. | ||
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Of course. | |
| He's drunk, and he's trying to turn it into an Alex Jones spectacle. | ||
| And you can tell that Steven Crowder is not super into it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's humoring him to an extent, but also trying to keep his space his. | ||
| And there's a real tension of, like, all right, I'm doing this because I just got demonetized, and I'm trying to keep the brand moving. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't have time for you, Alex, coming in and making this about yourself. | ||
| I think that it's a sign that even the free speech grifters aren't really interested in what Alex is doing, and they view him as too far. | ||
| And if Alex had shown up completely sober and engaged in it as, like, I am a part of your thing, then that's one thing. | ||
| But Alex didn't. | ||
| He showed up drunk and was like, this is my show now! | ||
| It's a bridge that will probably never burn because they still want to use each other. | ||
| But it's a bridge that's deteriorating. | ||
| It's not as easy to cross anymore. | ||
| It seems like that's the same situation for when Roger, way back when, when he was on regularly, when he would plug his legal defense fund. | ||
| Immediately after, just like he did on this episode today, and Alex got pissed. | ||
| You know, he didn't like somebody else getting the money that he thought is his. | ||
| So Crowder doing that, or Alex doing that to Crowder makes perfect sense. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, Alex is offended when someone tries to piggyback his shit, but he's perfectly willing to piggyback other people's stuff. | ||
| And it's weird. | ||
| I mean, if you want to go watch that Crowder video, whatever, go for it. | ||
| But I didn't want to include any of it because it's just kind of nonsensical and then also it's a desperate PR stunt. | ||
| So who really cares? | ||
| There's not a lot of substance. | ||
| Next time they do one of those dumb tables, we should go there and do our own dumb PR stunt where we set up the exact same table on the opposite side of the street and put our little banner on there that just says, fuck off. | ||
| Eh, I don't know what point we have. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I like how you're thinking, but I don't want to do it. | ||
| Yeah, I understand. | ||
| So, I don't know, man. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I assume that by the time this episode comes out, because we're recording this on Thursday during the day, you know, we'll come out Friday morning. | ||
| I assume by then, Alex will probably have done something else embarrassing. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| I do feel like every time we're in the present, it's just like, shit's not good. | ||
| Irrelevant the next day. | ||
| It does not look good. | ||
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No. | |
| You know, stuff is dangerous, and it's worth pointing out. | ||
| So, you know, there's that. | ||
| It's really a bummer to find out that the heaven my parents have told me about since I was a very young child is going to be really stressful. | ||
| Stressful. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| What's the point of having a fucking afterlife if it's just more of the same shit you're dealing with now? | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It is a little bit of, you know, shades or scales falling from the eyes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Heaven's not all it's cracked up to be. | ||
| And God specifically sicked the devil on us. | ||
| It wasn't just the devil was part of the thing and he broke away. | ||
| God is like, let's get these people with the devil. | ||
| I don't want to hang out with that God. | ||
| He's the one killing people. | ||
| He's the one who told the devil to go get them. | ||
| Yeah, this is all his fault. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a two-man game. | ||
| I don't trust any of these people. | ||
| Good cop, bad cop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good deity, bad deity. | ||
| It's no good. | ||
| I don't want to be stuck in that box. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, as I sit here and as I reflect a tiny bit, I agree. | ||
| His spirituality has a lot of holes. | ||
| And it's just a bummer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But more importantly, I think this episode is entirely worth it, if only to hear Alex three times try and guilt Roger Stone about not talking to him. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So good. | ||
| That is a great display of... | ||
| Just a guy who's confident. | ||
| Bringing Schroer out is great. | ||
| Yeah, just a guy who knows what is what. | ||
| A guy who is comfortable in his place, has straight-up relations with folks. | ||
| Just good. | ||
| Just good. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back on Monday with another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yes, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I'm at go-to-bed Jordan. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are. | ||
| You can download our show if you go to the iTunes. | ||
| You go to any other podcastual application. | ||
| All sorts of various places. | ||
| Libsyn. | ||
| The grocery store. | ||
| We have them in red boxes now. | ||
| Not only red boxes. | ||
| Those machines that sell lottery tickets. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That was a good get for us. | ||
| So, as we come to the end of this, I guess Matt Fury, the guy who made Pepe the Frog, he's not killed anybody. | ||
| He seems nice. | ||
| I don't know anything about him, other than a few comments that I've seen from him that seem okay. | ||
| But I know that if he'd killed somebody, we probably would have heard about him. | ||
| I would assume. | ||
| But one guy who technically probably has killed somebody is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |