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June 21, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
02:03:38
#311: June 17-19, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at what Alex Jones is up to. On paper, it looks like Alex is having one of the worst weeks on record as things completely fall apart with his behavior surrounding the Sandy Hook lawsuit. However, a couple unforced errors by a few media outlets have given Alex the faintest glimmer of hope. Not too much hope though, he seems pretty bummed out.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
24:57
d
dan friesen
01:08:03
j
jordan holmes
22:25
Appearances
r
robert barnes
02:40
Clips
j
joe biden
00:14
n
norm pattis
00:12
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
dan friesen
We don't talk about him a little bit.
Exclusively.
Exhaustively.
jordan holmes
Almost too much.
dan friesen
That's what my parents say.
jordan holmes
Me, mine too.
dan friesen
How you doing, Jordan?
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm doing good, Dan.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's the longest road trip you've ever been on?
dan friesen
Oh, so glad you asked.
Thank you.
I've been on many road trips.
I love a road trip.
If you grow up in central Missouri especially, it's like, you gotta get out.
You gotta go places.
jordan holmes
Of course, because you're in central Missouri.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, growing up, me and the family, with the parents and my brother, we would go to California every summer.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Because my parents didn't like to fly, it was too expensive, and then also we would just camp all along the way in order to, like, not...
Pay for hotels.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Like go to a KOA and pay 20 bucks to get there.
Sometimes national parks.
unidentified
Take that, the man.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a good time.
We'd do that every summer because all my extended family was out somewhere in California for the most part.
Yeah, so we would go out there and each time we would go we would try and take a different route so we could hit different national parks.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
So I was a little bit obsessed with national parks as a boy.
jordan holmes
That's really cool.
dan friesen
Because I was a real dork.
Yeah.
Then as an adult, I guess, probably one of the longer ones is me and my buddy Nicky Gifts.
We took a road trip from Missouri down to Boulder.
It's our friend James Desolation Williams out there.
We went to go pay him a visit.
He was doing some work at the Avery Brewery, and he promised us that we could drink a bunch of Avery beer for free.
jordan holmes
Worth a long drive.
Worth a long drive.
dan friesen
We drove out west.
Yeah, that was a good time.
jordan holmes
You were like the 49ers, but, you know, just for a couple of drinks.
dan friesen
There might have been more involved in it than that, but that would have been enough.
Yeah, good times.
I love a road trip.
I miss it.
jordan holmes
I like a road trip.
dan friesen
That's one of the reasons I fantasize about getting an RV in the future.
This is coming up too much on the show now.
jordan holmes
I've always wanted to drive cross-country.
I don't know what there's something romantic about the idea of just getting on 80 and starting in California and going all the way east.
dan friesen
That's probably why you're a comedian.
jordan holmes
It could be.
dan friesen
Yeah, you fantasize about that road dog life.
jordan holmes
I like to get on the road.
I like to live that road life.
dan friesen
Well, you get to experience so many other little places that you would never be otherwise.
There's a lot to that, I think.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Getting to experience different modes of life.
jordan holmes
Or just the number of weird, silly roadside attractions will never...
Anytime we're driving on something and I see...
Yeah, hell yeah.
If there's a billboard for it, like, oh, come see this cave.
I'm like, yeah, fucking we're going to see that cave.
dan friesen
The world's largest pecan?
jordan holmes
Yes!
Give me two of those.
dan friesen
I got tricked by that one time.
It's ceramic.
Don't even bother.
It's so stupid.
jordan holmes
Ceramic?
unidentified
That's not fair.
dan friesen
It's a big old fake nut.
Bullshit.
unidentified
Bullshit.
dan friesen
That doesn't count.
Nope.
I was furious.
jordan holmes
You should have your license revoked if that's what it's in.
dan friesen
But that's all of them.
Like, so many of those roadside things are just like, oh, you got me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You sneaky assholes.
jordan holmes
It's a nice little scam.
dan friesen
I like it.
I respect the hustle.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Something else I respect, Jordan.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Is that this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I only know what you're telling me about it.
dan friesen
What I respect more than that is the generosity of our donors, which make this show possible.
So before we get going with today's episode, I've got to take a second to say thank you to some of these people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
First of all, John, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, John.
jordan holmes
Thanks, John.
dan friesen
Next, Alex.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Alex.
Next, Craig.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I like to believe that's Craig Manning from Degrassi.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
The next generation.
Okay.
Next, The Beautiful Thumb.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I like to believe that that's The Beautiful Thumb from Degrassi.
And finally, I'd say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Bridget, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
Excuse me.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Bridget.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Bridget.
dan friesen
By the way, this is Bridget, not as opposed to the one...
Bridget.
Which could have also been Bridget, but spelled differently.
jordan holmes
True, true.
dan friesen
Two Bridgets or a Bridget and a Bridget in the house.
Either way, different people, we thank you both very much from the bottom of our hearts.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
If you'd like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Please do.
dan friesen
And also, we are incredibly behind on these shout-outs.
So we will be doing a supplementary shout-out session at the end of this episode.
So stick around for us trying to riff on people's names.
Very exciting.
So, we didn't have an episode on Wednesday, and I guess we should just come out and explain partially one of the reasons, and that is that we've had a bit of a fantasy of doing an audiobook of Mark Richards' book, who is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot's big whistleblower.
He put out a book called Imperial Marin Vol.
1. Our buddy Mike was so kind as to go and...
Help us secure the text of that book.
And we have sat down twice to try and do it, and we just can't.
jordan holmes
It's not possible.
It's not possible.
dan friesen
That's what we had intended to start putting out on Wednesday.
We had sat down and we tried for the second time to get through it, and it is just some of the most awful nonsense.
jordan holmes
It's really, really bad.
It's really bad, but it's...
dan friesen
It's very boring.
jordan holmes
It's bad in the same way that...
What is it?
What is it?
The Room.
It's bad in the same way the room is really bad.
It is alternately very, very, very funny and incredibly boring at the same time.
dan friesen
We can fill you in on some of the funny stuff.
There's a character named Mako Shark Rampant.
jordan holmes
The greatest name in history.
Shark Rampant.
There are so many sharks in his life.
dan friesen
He talks about biohides and skin wings and you have no idea if anybody is a human or a cat being.
jordan holmes
No clue.
dan friesen
Or I don't even know if Mako Shark Rampant is a shark.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Sometimes there's paws, but in Shark Rampant?
dan friesen
No fins.
No fins!
It's not worth it to find out, though.
It's what we learned.
Because we sat down and we got like 45 minutes in.
Like, we are two and a half pages through this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not going to be good.
dan friesen
And it's like, it's very long.
Like, we will probably end up putting out a, what, 80-hour audiobook of this?
No good.
Not going to work.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
So that kind of torpedoed our plans for Wednesday.
But thank you very much to Mike for getting...
jordan holmes
Yes, no, huge shout-out to Mike.
He's a very, very cool dude.
dan friesen
And our apologies for missing the episode and the fact that we just can't...
jordan holmes
I can't do this.
And not least of which, in those two and a half pages, it was really, really horny.
So horny.
It was so horny.
It was like, we're saving you from listening to a dude.
dan friesen
He's talking about how a sword is the perfect intersection of maleness, and he's banging it against the floor.
jordan holmes
Up and down repeatedly.
Yeah, it's not good.
dan friesen
No good.
So, Jordan, today we are back in the present.
Because we've got to experience the fallout.
jordan holmes
Man, we're just staying in the present, huh?
dan friesen
Well, so much has happened.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Because the attorneys in the Sandy Hook case that Alex is in, they accurately interpreted his performance from his Friday episode from last week, wherein he yelled a bunch about Chris Maddy, one of the attorneys who is an opposing counsel.
And Alex very clearly was implying threats against the guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so they responded.
Hey!
jordan holmes
You can't do that!
dan friesen
And Alex got some sanctions against him.
He has to pay the attorney's fees for the porn situation that he is in.
unidentified
He can only...
jordan holmes
Buy oil from Saudi Arabia now.
He can't get it from Iran.
unidentified
Indeed.
jordan holmes
A lot of sanctions.
dan friesen
And more to the point, a lot of people have gone sideways in covering this whole thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's been a disaster.
dan friesen
Alex did his whole thing on Friday.
And then immediately the Daily Beast and a number of other places put out stories about how Alex went on a weird rant and offered a million dollars for information about who had sent this to his email accounts.
All good and well.
I think that's fairly fine.
jordan holmes
All good and well?
No, I mean, I think he walked it back after getting some reasonable advice from Norm Pattinson.
dan friesen
He sobered up the next day, walked it back to $100,000, and took away the stipulation that it's a payable on conviction.
jordan holmes
That's illegal.
dan friesen
So he did walk that all back.
But it's fine.
The Daily Beast wrote on that, I think, was about as accurate as you're going to get.
Then on Monday, the Connecticut Post, I believe is the publication, a paper out of Connecticut, or a publication out of Connecticut, put out a story where the headline was, Lawyer Alex Jones Sent Sandy Hook Lawyers Pornography.
And because of the way it was framed in the headline, it made it appear that Alex had maliciously sent this to the lawyers.
But in reality, it was technically accurate.
He sent a batch of things in Discovery.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And illegal pornography happened to be in it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, the problem is, Alex only understands headlines.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And so when you have a headline like that, it's going to cause trouble.
And from there, things didn't get better.
jordan holmes
Oh, they didn't.
dan friesen
In terms of the media coverage of this stuff.
Yeah.
unidentified
So we're going to go over that.
dan friesen
We're going to experience how Alex experiences the media coverage of the situation that he's in.
And I think that there's a very important lesson that we will learn in the middle of this episode.
And there will be some funny stuff.
I've tried to make this as not painful as possible.
I don't think it's going to be nearly as bad as Monday's episode.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That is a low bar.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think we learned something profoundly funny about Alex and his plans for the future.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But before we do get into any of this, we have an out-of-context drop.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this is Alex Jones channeling one of the greatest comedians of the 70s and 80s.
alex jones
You know, people used to watch TV, but now the TVs watch you.
dan friesen
Ah, yuck off.
jordan holmes
In my country.
dan friesen
If anybody had any questions about Alex Jones' loyalties to Russia, we have just solved that.
jordan holmes
There it is.
dan friesen
Doing a goddamn Yakov impression.
unidentified
Wait, was Yakov Russian or was he Ukrainian?
dan friesen
Yakov Smirnoff.
jordan holmes
I thought he was Ukrainian.
I don't know why I thought he was Ukrainian.
dan friesen
All his jokes are about Russia.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Not all of them.
That's not fair at all.
jordan holmes
I know.
Yeah, but that was before the fall of the Soviet Union.
dan friesen
He may or may not be Ukrainian.
I'm not entirely sure.
I will say that I don't know that.
It's my understanding that his public character is that he's Russian.
All right, so let's jump in.
Today we're going over June 17th through 19th.
So it's Monday through Wednesday of this past week.
And Alex starts off by talking about why he has all this paper in front of him.
alex jones
We don't lay these articles out on here as a prop.
These are all stacks I've gone through.
dan friesen
No.
That was a pretty short first clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one quick and to the point.
He was lying right out the gate.
dan friesen
Short and sweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now we jump from there.
That's just to sort of set up.
He talks about those stacks quite a bit.
Okay.
But in this next clip, Alex is defensive about how the media is covering the situation that he finds himself in.
And we'll find out that, once again, that he's only pointing the finger at himself.
alex jones
What happened to us just last week?
We learned we'd been under investigation for two weeks by the FBI, who then gave a statement to my lawyer and said, Infowars is the victim.
Someone sent you emails with child porn on them.
You didn't open them.
And it just so happened to be, we're going to get you for talking about Sandy Hook, you piece of crap.
Here's more threats.
And if you clicked on it, which we didn't do, it's child porn.
The national media ran with, Infowars infected with malware with child porn.
Their servers aren't safe.
Think about the deception.
But the FBI does say that Jones is innocent.
It wasn't malware.
It was individuals sending us emails to trick us to open them.
Saying, we're going to get you, Alex Jones, and here's our threats against you.
And you click on it, and it's horrible crime.
dan friesen
All the articles that talked about malware were literally quoting Norm Pattis, Alex's lawyer, because he said it was malware.
Now, it was clumsy phrasing on his part.
But that doesn't negate the fact that the only thing that they're reporting on is what your fucking lawyer said.
Same thing with that Alex is playing a character thing.
It's like, yes, the media is reporting on what your lawyer said defending you in your child custody case.
Now take that up with your lawyer, not the media.
They're quoting him.
jordan holmes
Right.
And don't expect Norm to know completely what malware is.
dan friesen
No.
That's a reasonable mistake for him to make.
So that should characterize some of this.
He's really trying to get messy with definitions, trying to point fingers around.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And this trend is going to go through this episode very, very consistently.
But his main story on Monday, the 17th, is not his own plight.
It is not Iran.
Which I don't think he cares all that much about anymore.
It's not Ebola.
He has forgotten about Ebola on the southern border.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Just a mere hop, skip, and a jump away from him in Austin, by the way.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Ebola.
unidentified
It's coming.
jordan holmes
It's coming.
dan friesen
He does mention it a couple times over the course of these three days, but he does not really care anymore.
San Antonio has lost to him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Cut your losses, you know?
dan friesen
It's because he has to move on to greener pastures.
And that is that Facebook has mentioned that they're going to release their cryptocurrency.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
And this is the mark of the beast.
jordan holmes
Oh, yes!
Of course it is!
dan friesen
And Alex has to yell about it.
alex jones
Facebook has now said if you don't behave, they're watching you at all times, you'll not be able to buy or sell.
They said that Friday.
Yes, biblical prophecy is being fulfilled.
jordan holmes
Again.
alex jones
The church won't say a damn word because they're going to take...
Facebook currency.
It's all there's going to be.
That's right.
One ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.
unidentified
Nice.
alex jones
You want to be in the new world order, folks?
You're going to be in it.
That's just one small stacky.
When I said 20 stacks, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27. 27 stacks!
I don't exaggerate.
27 stacks, each one more insane!
As the quickening accelerates my Jiminy Crickets.
At this point, I have entered insane asylum land.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He doesn't get to those 27 stacks, if you'd believe that.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
It's really nice of his staff to organize them in elevating insanity.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You want to start your day off with a real...
dan friesen
Fairly normal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just a little weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't know, chipmunk surfboards.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's great!
dan friesen
That is weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nice memes.
That's insane.
dan friesen
That is nuts.
And then by the end of it, Facebook has a currency.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think I'm going to go ahead and side with Alex on this one, though.
Quite frankly, big picture.
Cut it out, Facebook.
unidentified
Yeah, I know!
jordan holmes
Right?
What are you doing?
I read that headline and I was like, oh, for fuck's sakes, you assholes.
unidentified
Go away.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, hey, this is stupid and terrible, but I think me and Alex might be able to find some common ground on this one.
In terms of very strongly being against Facebook, having a cryptocurrency.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the only people who want Facebook to have a cryptocurrency work at Facebook and are named Mark Zuckerberg.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like something that could go bad pretty easily.
So enjoy, Alex.
I still think you're going to do this poorly, but fight that noble fight.
jordan holmes
No, I think we should all team up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there's another trend that goes throughout these here episodes, and that is what I would describe as a more overt gesturing towards white supremacy.
And I know that we have no bones about the fact that Alex comes from a white supremacist, white nationalist, white identitarian place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But some of the things he says in these episodes and some of the things that his guests say are profoundly disgusting.
And in this next clip, he's talking to the guy who runs Europe Wars, which is the offshoot in Europe of Infowars, Dan Lyman, the delicious...
Lemon-lime flavor of Lyman.
unidentified
Lyman.
dan friesen
So Dan Lyman's on, and he has some thoughts about African immigrants.
jordan holmes
No, he should not.
dan friesen
I don't want to hear him.
I wouldn't say this is a win.
unidentified
Okay.
And on top of that, especially with a lot of the African migrants, they do repopulate I mean, we're looking at just a total demographic wave, a dominance of the Western.
alex jones
And when the folks are brought in, they politically have a chip on their shoulder.
They're taught to hate America.
They're taught the Democrats are your God.
And they're tribal.
They understand.
They get in that tribe.
The tribe takes care of me.
I take care of them.
And there's an incredible swagger and arrogance.
Minnesota, the new ruling class is Somalis.
dan friesen
So that's, I mean...
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
It's tough to hear something like that and not just think like, oh...
You're showing cards there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's too much.
dan friesen
These Africans that come in breed very healthily.
jordan holmes
That is crazy.
dan friesen
Before you know it, they're everywhere.
jordan holmes
Not least of which because in this country the maternal death rate for black women is insanely high compared to white women.
dan friesen
That sort of language is the way you describe infestations.
Yes.
jordan holmes
They come here and they breed.
Done.
You're a racist.
Fuck off.
dan friesen
I would say so.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it shouldn't surprise you at all that Alex has found a new social media home.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Now, I didn't get time to play this because I went off on a jag about Telegram, but it's T.me, and there's a whole bunch of platforms popping up to counter Twitter and Facebook and Google and all of it.
I think Paul's up to like 50,000 on there, Tommy Robinson even more.
I haven't plugged it on the show, but the easiest things go to Infowars.com up at the top of the site, right there.
You can click on that little blue triangle under the listen now, and it will take you there where you can sign up and follow us there.
And it's got video.
It's got all the other great functions.
So hopefully you'll join.
And really what it is is a paper airplane.
A lot better than a little bird.
Oh, and it doesn't spy on you.
It's not politically correct.
We really like it.
So there you go, ladies and gentlemen, the big plug for Telegram, which I did kind of screwed up way because I wasn't planning it.
I just went to...
I keep planning to plan it, and I never get around to planning it.
So it's better to go off half-cocked than never go off, don't you agree?
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
Better to blast the enemy with torpedoes, even if you miss.
It still makes for nice fireworks off in the distance.
Maybe you blow up a fishing boat or something.
I'm being sarcastic.
dan friesen
Good sarcasm.
The only thing that's really interesting about that is that it took Alex this long to figure out that there are social media networks that he can go to.
I know he's had Andrew Torba, the guy who runs Gab, on the show before, and they've talked about how he's on Gab.
But telegrams where a lot of these other folks have ended up, like Miley Yiannopoulos over there.
I think it's interesting, because I think Alex is trying to spread tendrils.
Because I think he's in a panic.
Yeah.
I think that the events of the last week have really driven home to him that left his own devices, he is dead in the water.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because the whole child pornography thing is, I mean, it's not, it's a horrible crime, but it's a benign thing from his end.
He is the victim in this.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
He's legitimately the victim, yes.
dan friesen
Someone sent him this.
The FBI checked it out and was like, oh, obviously this is the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever.
You're fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But because Alex is such a reactionary, insane, rage-filled monster, he ended up getting on air and started screaming about this guy, and he's created a world of hurt for himself.
Left to his own devices, that's how he will behave.
jordan holmes
Right.
Even if his lawyer is next to him.
dan friesen
Right.
He's going to completely destroy what he's got.
So in order to compensate for that, he knows he needs more.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he needs to be able to destroy some of it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And still survive.
So you get on Telegram.
All right.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Let's plug my Telegram on the show.
Great.
jordan holmes
Man, isn't that sad?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very sad.
So he goes along.
The 17th, I'm going to say, isn't a great show.
There's not a whole lot there.
So we're breezing through a bit of this just because some of it is sort of setting the scene.
Some of these desperation feelings, some of these desires to get into new social media spaces, some of the white supremacy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Some of these trends are important because they build.
But left to its own devices.
I probably...
I gotta stop using that expression, by the way.
jordan holmes
Left to his own devices?
dan friesen
Keep saying it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
On its own.
I don't think The 17th is a show worth covering.
It's fine for the beginning of this episode.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
But I would say maybe the only thing that's really great about it is that Alex takes some calls.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he gets prank called.
alex jones
Sham!
And Justin and everybody, you've been holding patiently.
Thanks for calling.
Sam in Arizona, what do you think is happening?
unidentified
Alex.
alex jones
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Before I get to my point of we're overdue for American Chernobyl, I want to call you out as a coward.
You are a coward not to allow this one listener to come on and express his opinion about The Rapture Bible Dan, he deserved to come on the show.
alex jones
Hold on, put the guy on hold.
But sir, you are Bible Dan.
unidentified
Yeah, Bible Dan.
robert barnes
Play that for me one more time.
unidentified
But sir, you are Bible Dan.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, this guy does call in a bit.
He always wants to argue pre- and post-trib rapture.
jordan holmes
That's so fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's so fun.
dan friesen
I don't know why Alex let him talk so long.
How did he not recognize?
He called us all the time.
There's something pretty charming about Bible Dan.
That is fun.
Pretending to be Sam.
There's something great about calling into a show and being like, you're a coward because you won't talk to...
unidentified
Me.
dan friesen
I'm on the show right now, though.
jordan holmes
It's fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that is fun.
Unfortunately, it's not all fun.
Because towards the end of this episode here on the 17th, Alex says something that is overtly violent.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
This is on the scale of like, yeah, you shouldn't say this.
alex jones
And Trump must get control of the government.
It's not his fault they're traitors and criminals, but he must take action against them.
The people that have done this need to be identified, and they need to get in big trouble now.
You go, oh, but they've got secrets.
They'll bring them out.
They'll do these bad things.
Look, the Pentagon knows what to do with people like this, okay?
Kayak accidents.
We'll be right back.
I'm serious.
Kayak.
They all need to take swims tonight.
jordan holmes
Wait, is that Godfather shit right there?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, basically.
unidentified
Take him out on the lake, you know, maybe only one of them come back.
No big deal, eh?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, no bones about it.
He is literally calling for the deaths of his political enemies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does sound like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, I mean, one of the people he was specifically talking about is John Bolton.
And as much as I hate John Bolton, I still don't think that you should be able...
You shouldn't behave like that on a national radio show.
jordan holmes
No, probably not.
dan friesen
That's irresponsible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You should call for him to be tried for his war crimes.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That seems like a more legal way to go about things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds great.
dan friesen
So, you know, he's in this real fucked up headspace.
And, you know, it's clearly affecting him.
But on Monday, I don't think he'd gotten all the news about his sanctions and the blowback from his Friday show.
He feels like, alright, I did that crazy nonsense on Friday.
And then I got back with Norm, and I walked it back to 100,000.
I made the deal legal.
We're all good.
And I would even venture to say that I don't think he's seen that Connecticut Post article on Monday, even though it came out on Monday.
It probably came out while he was on air or something like that.
jordan holmes
But it's a relatively small paper, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not like a nationally syndicated paper.
dan friesen
No, but it did get a lot of traction after it got released.
It got promoted, or whatever.
It went all around social media.
jordan holmes
It was sensational enough to go...
dan friesen
Unfortunately, he's not on social media, so maybe that would slow down.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Well, he's on Telegram, but...
jordan holmes
I don't think they're sharing that one too much.
dan friesen
Probably not.
So, when we jump back in here on the 18th, he clearly has heard about it.
And...
Wow.
Where he goes isn't good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I do think that he's starting from a kind of a fair position.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday, June 18th, 2019.
And one of the top news stories in the United States, not just here but also in Europe, is the headline of headlines.
The fake news.
Coup de grace.
The fake news finale, in my view, but it'll only get worse, obviously.
They've reached new heights.
Alex Jones sent child porn to Sandy Hook families.
Boy, that'd be a better idea to commit suicide than to do that, wouldn't it?
And then, hundreds of articles, both the local papers here in Central Texas, San Antonio, Austin, American Statesman, front-paged.
Alex Jones sent child porn to the Sandy Hook families.
Total lie.
That's after dozens of publications over the weekend reported that we were the victims of someone sending hidden, coded child porn embedded in an email that had nothing to do with sex or anything else that was never opened.
dan friesen
So the part that is fair here is, again, this headline...
I don't know what you'd even call it.
Insinuation?
jordan holmes
Mislead.
dan friesen
It's technically not, but yes it is.
It's the same game Alex plays, though, with misleading headlines all the time.
It's hard to feel too much empathy for him based on the fact that this is his whole career?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's misleading people with headlines?
jordan holmes
Yeah, when you see somebody lying atop their own petard, you're kind of like, well...
You know, you get one, you lose one.
dan friesen
Right.
It's hard to be like, oh man, you're getting a raw deal.
But at the same time, as external observers who try to be overly fair about this, it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It's bullshit.
dan friesen
You can see how that headline is misleading.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
It says, lawyer colon Alex Jones sent child porn to Sandy Hook attorneys.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And, you know, that is what the lawyer is putting forth.
And technically, in Discovery, he sent those emails over.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it's...
jordan holmes
It's true and it's false.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would never have written that headline because it allows Alex to do this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would never have allowed that headline to...
If I was editing that paper, I would never have been like, yeah, this sounds good.
dan friesen
Well, it's kind of a really interesting thing because by writing that headline, you probably got way more...
Visibility on your publication.
You probably got way more traffic than you would have with a more restrained headline.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I can think of somebody else who uses that very same tactic to get way more traffic.
dan friesen
Is his name Alex Jones?
jordan holmes
It sounds very similar.
That platform and that kind of strategy, that sounds very familiar to me.
dan friesen
Right, and that's where the struggle comes in for me, is that like, okay, I can't pretend to understand exactly what the Connecticut Post's motivations were, whether or not it's like, yeah, that's a fine headline, whatever, kick it out the door, or like, oh, this is...
People are going to be interested in this article based on the way we phrased this headline.
But assuming that it is in interest of some sensationalism or some salacious element, I feel similarly to it that I do.
If it's the same trick being used, it doesn't matter that it's being used against Alex or by Alex.
It's a manipulative trick.
I'm very conflicted about it.
jordan holmes
I think it's bad.
Then again, on the list of things that I'm allocating a lot of energy towards, that one's way down at the bottom.
I think it's more frustrating for us from a personal standpoint of like...
God damn it, guys.
We have done everything possible to do not that.
Even though we've spent 300 but odd episodes doing it.
dan friesen
We tackle all our episodes with a date.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
We make it the opposite of sensational or salacious.
You have to try to listen to our show.
jordan holmes
Good job!
And then you guys pull that bullshit and then everybody says this and nobody even asked us.
I think that's the thing that bothers me most.
Somebody should have asked us.
dan friesen
That can bother you.
That doesn't bother me that much.
I know no one will ever really think of us as a primary reason.
jordan holmes
Come on, you gotta ask us.
dan friesen
I'm conflicted on the one hand of, like, understanding, like, eh, kind of get what you're doing, and then on the other hand, the other part of my brain that's just like, guys, stop it!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Stop!
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You're giving him material.
Like, there's a way to express all of this, and at the same time, not play into his hands.
jordan holmes
I think...
dan friesen
And I guess what I'm saying is, I could do it.
If I were running the Connecticut Post, I could have navigated this minefield.
But I'm also glad that I'm not in that position.
jordan holmes
I think the way that we talked about it after we tried and failed to record that audiobook was you can't play his game.
Because he's been playing it for 20 years, and you're just now starting into it.
Yeah, he's got you.
You know, if you're going to come heckle me from a crowd, you're fighting not against me.
You're fighting against every heckler that I've dealt with over 10 years or whatever.
dan friesen
You've consumed their strength.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you don't have anything.
You're not going to come up with anything, so stay out of my game.
dan friesen
Well, maybe on a lucky day.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it could be.
dan friesen
You have an off day, it's a great heckle.
But it's luck.
jordan holmes
It's got to be a good one.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not a good strategy.
And neither is this.
The idea of playing sensationalism with Alex is generally going to be a losing proposition for you.
And that's the nature of mixing it up with a propagandist.
You don't want to do it.
jordan holmes
The only way to win is not to play.
dan friesen
Now, that being said, Alex is in real trouble.
Because what he did is very much close to threatening...
His opposing counsel.
I would say it was that.
jordan holmes
I would say, without question, it was that.
dan friesen
Right.
I think he will try, and I know he will because of later clips, he'll try to wiggle around like, I wasn't threatening anybody.
And maybe you can get off on a technicality.
But what he was doing in earnest and in reality was threatening Chris Matty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is what he was doing.
And whether or not that will end up biasing the court against him, whether or not it will come up in his legal troubles and make things much harder for him, is left to be seen.
Because of those sanctions, which I guess he's appealing, but I'm sure he's going to end up losing that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
But because of those sanctions, he has to pay more.
He has to pay attorney's fees.
Not for the entire case, but for a portion of it.
So that is an additional expense.
Motions to dismiss the case was thrown out, too.
So, like, there are consequences to this.
And I think Alex realizes that, like, I got myself in that trouble.
Whether he's able to vocalize it, whether he's able to make, like, help people understand, like, this is my fault.
I freaked out on air.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I screamed about this guy for no reason at all and insinuated that he had sent me illegal pornography.
Right, right, right.
In this next clip, I just hear him being like, I'm in trouble and I have to do whatever I can to make sure I don't do this again.
alex jones
I have agonized in the last six months coming to you with this message because I don't like to let the enemy know they're hurting us.
But there comes a time in a war when you're winning the war, but as a battalion or a platoon or an army, you're losing and you've got to call for reinforcements.
You gotta call for help.
There's a lot of things people don't know about behind the scenes.
It's been rough.
And sometimes I do melt down.
Sometimes I've subconsciously shuddered rage in it like a volcano comes out.
And that only happens every once in a while.
Told the crew when that happens from now on, we just go to rebroadcast.
That's a default position.
dan friesen
So he's had to tell his staff that when I fucking get like that, turn this off.
And that's indicative to me of, like, I cannot control myself.
I am going to sink my own ship.
jordan holmes
I need help.
dan friesen
I mean, more or less.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what he's saying.
dan friesen
I need help from the button.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The off button.
If you are doing your job and you have to order other people to stop you, you need help.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Not just from them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And in the middle of this episode, Alex gets a text from Norm, who is in Connecticut, who is in trials, or in court.
It's regarding this motion that they put because of his Friday episode.
And guess what?
After he gets that text, he goes to rebroadcast.
jordan holmes
You know, I read that text, and it's just, you are space fucked?
It was a really interesting text.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it's weird to have him say, like, whenever I freak out, I told them, automatically go to rebroadcast.
And then, like, an hour and a half later, he's like, I heard this before.
No shit!
Wait, is this?
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
Is this last Thursday's episode?
What's going on here?
And some of that might have just been he needed to deal with the text.
He wasn't actually freaking out, but whatever.
It's just weird.
jordan holmes
That's what I was surprised by earlier on in the episode, even on the Monday one, because I had speculated on our last episode that him having this bullshit attack on him should have made him overjoyed.
Because this is something where he can really sink his teeth in.
dan friesen
I think he was on Friday.
jordan holmes
I think he was too, and now he is bummed.
unidentified
Well, because his joy, like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun.
dan friesen
His anger took him to a place that is legally actionable, whereas before he was in smooth sailing, he could have created a fun contest out of this and gotten a lot of publicity out of playing the victim, which he would have been right to do.
He was the victim in that case.
Granted, maybe he was overdoing it a little, but...
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Well, not just a little.
dan friesen
He's a showman.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
I think that his feelings have transformed greatly over the weekend into now, like, fuck.
jordan holmes
This is like...
And who knows how much those legal fees were.
This is like Borgia-level blunders here.
Like, that is...
That is a...
Just could have been so good, and now it's worse than ever.
dan friesen
Unforced errors.
Yes.
Coming into play.
Like I said, I don't know how much the legal fees were that he got hit with, but it could have been a substantial amount.
It could have been more than the $15,000 he had to pay out of the Pepe case, quite frankly.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
What an ass.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I wonder.
Because Norm said on Friday's episode that they paid that data firm like $100,000 to go over the emails.
If he had to pay legal fees for this portion of the investigation, that might have been.
But again, that's coming from Norm.
Who knows how accurate that number is, or even if that's what he had to pay.
But the point is, it could be any number, any amount.
It could be a lot.
unidentified
He could be, like, really, really fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway, in this next clip, Alex is talking more about this headline from the Connecticut Post.
And, again, in the same way that I feel, I think he has a kernel of being right and then a whole pound of being wrong.
alex jones
The headline is, Jones sent documents out of the clear blue sky to these poor Sandy Hope parents.
dan friesen
That wasn't the headline.
alex jones
According to the lawyers, one of them is a former federal prosecutor.
A Democrat, of course.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And they have been taking this material and taking it to the FBI.
From our sources, we're getting it ready for the news.
I'm not saying they planted the email.
I'm saying somebody planted it.
We're going to find out who they are, but I am angry at those individuals.
But not physically.
When I make statements about whoever planted it, and I say I want to see their head on the pike, that is figurative, and I have no record of ever attacking anybody offensively or...
Any criminal record.
jordan holmes
We do.
alex jones
But nevertheless, they're in court right now calling for all sorts of sanctions on me and they're trying to get criminal charges against me and all the rest of it.
It's all a badge of honor.
Okay?
It's all a badge of honor.
I've done none of what they've said.
It's all a fraud.
It's all a lie.
And they know it.
dan friesen
So, I think that this trying to repackage the threat is probably a desperation move.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty funny.
dan friesen
Because if anybody heard what he did on Friday and just had a normal human understanding of language, you would very clearly understand he was heavily implying that Chris Maddy and the opposing counsel for the people who were suing him and Sandy Hook were the people who planted it.
That is not...
Up for grabs.
In terms of...
Like, when Norm Pattis, his lawyer, was on the show, he even was saying, Alex, you're showing Chris Maddy's image.
unidentified
I was like, I'm not implying anything!
dan friesen
Like, his lawyer was even being like, you're implying that this...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he might as well put the guy's picture on the wall on top of a fucking shooting sheet and then stabbed it repeatedly and been like, this is how I fail!
dan friesen
He probably did after the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably true.
dan friesen
That's a damning document, that Friday show, because of his own behavior and because of how Norm responded to him.
He was saying exactly what people's accusations are, quite frankly.
He was trying to steer Alex away from going too far with it.
And maybe he did.
Maybe he got it out of the territory where it would be like, you are going to get this case thrown out, be held in contempt, or whatever.
But it's really hard for Alex to...
With a straight face, sit here and say, look, I just wanted his head on a pike.
That's a metaphor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was being figurative.
unidentified
Figurative.
jordan holmes
I've never attacked anybody, physically.
dan friesen
Right.
So, no matter what, even if he is now trying to make the argument that, like, I wasn't saying that the people who were suing me put that porn on my email.
unidentified
No, yeah, you heard.
No, you didn't.
dan friesen
He does still think that there's a conspiracy against him.
unidentified
Of course.
Well, of course.
alex jones
They first wanted 9.6 million emails since Sandy Hook.
All of them.
We fought them to the expense of $100,000 in legal fees just for that, to not give them all your emails.
She wanted $57,000, the judge did.
Then they wanted the metadata, all that weird squiggly stuff that nobody can read.
That was then gone over, and they found what was in those links, those links that were named something else on there.
So we got out ahead of it.
And we said, But the FBI told us that we were the victim.
And the media ran with the truth.
And then somebody up higher said, we can't have this.
Put out the headline, Jones sent child porn to the Sandy Hook families.
dan friesen
So he's implying now that there's even like a more broad conspiracy about this.
Because there's like the event.
And he believes that there was a setup.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then he thinks that, like, people reported on it well, and then the globalists are like, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You didn't do it right.
You didn't do it right.
dan friesen
We cannot allow people to have any idea that Alex Jones might be the victim of something.
We must crush.
I think this is an insane way to deal with stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
I think I could probably say that on just about every episode, but...
jordan holmes
Also, guess what?
We get another movie reference there, because I guarantee he's talking about The Matrix.
When he's talking about metadata, all that weird little squiggly stuff that you can't read, I guarantee he's talking about The Matrix.
dan friesen
Yeah, because I wouldn't describe metadata as squiggly stuff.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
You might be right.
jordan holmes
It can be expressed as squiggly stuff, but squiggly stuff is a very broad and vague definition.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So when Alex is making the argument that he was set up, right, with the emails...
One of the things that he uses to argue that is the idea that the court told him he should be aware of what he's turning over to people.
When you're giving things over for discovery, it's generally...
jordan holmes
It's a good idea to know what you're giving them.
dan friesen
It's best practices to be aware.
You don't want to be surprised by discovery in court.
Oh my god, there's a spreadsheet where I have all of my Sandy Hook money listed off.
Should have known about that ahead of time.
That's bad.
But Alex thinks that people telling him he should have been aware of that is proof that they wanted him to open the emails so he would have looked at the porn.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that is an interesting way of thinking about it.
After the fact?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Oh, does it tell you that we never opened it?
And that the lawyers specifically asked for it and then had to scan it to find the secret links?
Or that they wanted the court to order us to open all attachments and give us all attachments, ordering us to go through all our emails and open attachments when we don't do that?
And I told Norm Pattison, I told them all, Norm's a good guy.
I said, Norm.
unidentified
Norm!
alex jones
They already know there's something in there that we don't know about.
This is parallel construction.
I said, you watch.
He was here the week before this happened.
I said, they're not winning these cases.
And I said, we're getting diverted by these.
We're getting manipulated.
unidentified
We're winning these cases too easily.
alex jones
These aren't the sabotage traps.
dan friesen
So he seems to think that he's winning all of these cases.
And so in order to...
Derail the case.
I mean, he's still saying that they did it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
But parallel construction, using fun words, he's so all over the place in terms of, like, I'm not saying, I'm saying, I'm not, hey, hold on, I kind of am saying that.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna give him five points for spin on this one.
I think he's doing a fairly good job of turning, I didn't read any of the shit that I gave to them into, see how smart I am for not reading any of the shit I gave to them?
dan friesen
It is a good save.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
Now, if I had hired a real lawyer, we would have committed a crime.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not so stupid for hiring Barnes now.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Incompetent like a fox.
dan friesen
This next clip reinforces my argument that I think Alex is in a really terrible place.
We had that clip earlier where he's saying, you know, we're in real trouble.
We need to get the armies coming around.
And in this next clip, Alex predicts his own death.
alex jones
If I get carjacked at a four-way stop or get killed or whatever, I'm still a winner.
But remember, after I'm dead, they're really going to try to demonize me further.
And it's that name they want to capture and use for evil.
Please defend my name after I'm gone.
If that happens.
And I think there's a good chance I'll be gone in about a year.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
That's a tough out to break.
There's a good chance I'll be dead in a year.
unidentified
All right, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
All right, we'll be back.
And you can tell the audio guy was hearing it, too.
That music got real loud.
dan friesen
Ramp it up.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, what would you do?
jordan holmes
If my boss was just screaming on air?
dan friesen
Earlier in the show.
jordan holmes
I'm going to die in a year.
Look, remember me fondly.
dan friesen
Earlier in the show, he said, if I would get weird, hit the button.
I would use that as, like, carte blanche to just start hitting the cough button.
Oh, yeah.
Rebroadcast.
Alex, you're prophesying your own death.
Rebroadcast!
jordan holmes
Who has the true power now, Alex?
dan friesen
So here on the 18th, we get what I would describe as a boringly regular guest.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Barnes.
Is his lawyer on again?
jordan holmes
Yes, there we go.
alex jones
I want to bring Robert Barnes on the show.
Constitutional lawyer.
Civil rights lawyer.
Very successful free speech lawyer.
He represents me on a bunch of cases.
The Democrats and their operatives have brought.
The Sandy Hook cases in Texas.
Norm Pattis, also a very competent top lawyer, representing me in Connecticut.
He's in court right now where they're trying to claim that I threatened violence against their lawyers, which wasn't true.
I said, I'd like to see whoever sent us the child porn's head on the pike.
That's a figurative statement.
You know, like if I catch my son sneaking the car out again, I'm going to kill him.
But they're up there trying to haul me up to Connecticut, make me be there for depositions in the courthouse like I'm a criminal.
All of this for the theater of the media.
dan friesen
It's all for the theater of the media.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
He's going to have to be brought back to Connecticut to give a deposition on what they have on video.
Aren't they?
dan friesen
From what I understand, the last I read, he has a deposition that he has to give on July 1st.
So I believe he does have to go to Connecticut for that.
But then I believe the trial itself would be next year.
I still think the trial is a ways off.
I might be misremembering that, but I swear I read something about them setting a date, and it's like in November 2020.
I might be completely off on that, and if I am, I apologize.
Yeah, I mean, of course.
Like, it's going to be a ridiculous spectacle.
The people who are running this trial, they have their hands full.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They will need to, I don't know if you can, like...
Put everyone in isolation.
But you need to.
jordan holmes
I don't think they're...
Boy, it really does seem like this case should be held on a different island somewhere where no media, no nothing.
dan friesen
Record all of it.
jordan holmes
The jury is fucking 12 birds.
No human being should be involved with this.
dan friesen
Record all of it, but don't tell anyone about what happened until it's over.
That would be the way I'd do it.
jordan holmes
Simple bachelor rules.
dan friesen
There's no shenanigans, but at the same time, no one...
We should be able to interfere with this because it's ripe.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's not going to be fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's a very severe time here on the June 18th, and Alex comes in for break with some terrifying noises that he plays very often, and in this clip he pretends he never plays these sorts of noises.
He needs to play them now to let you know how serious things are.
alex jones
No, I've never aired stuff like this in my 25 years.
But it's time for air raid sirens.
It's time for marching feet.
It's time for barking dogs.
jordan holmes
Never play that.
alex jones
Because this is tyranny.
jordan holmes
Is it time to pray, Dan?
dan friesen
He plays air raid sirens a lot.
All the time.
So that's just fun.
That's a good presentation.
In this next clip, he talks about the Connecticut paper and their...
You know, arguably misleading headline.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And what's interesting about this is that one of the criticisms that we have about Alex, I think we've even brought this up already on this show, is that he engages with news and with media on headline level.
He doesn't read articles.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
He only knows maybe a sentence and the headline and then it's like, that's the fact.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Whatever it is is the fact.
In this next clip, he projects that onto everybody else, which I think is a rationalization for why he does what he does.
But this just ends up, it makes it sound like he thinks everyone's stupid.
alex jones
There's just so much happening.
And then meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, others are putting out headlines behind paywalls.
Where it just says, Alex Jones sent child porn to Sandy Hook families, but you can't read it.
And then little bitty at the bottom of every one of these articles that I saw in the San Antonio Express News, the Austin-American statesman, it says, the FBI says that emails were sent to Jones and that he had never opened them and that he's the victim.
But they do it at the bottom knowing full, well, in conscious, organized fraud that almost no one reads the whole article.
Most people, over half, just look at headlines now.
Around 75% only read a paragraph or two.
And maybe 25%, depending on the paper or the demographic, actually read the whole article.
dan friesen
You have no faith in your audience, if that's the position you're giving.
I mean, if the article is fair and factually reporting things, then I don't know.
I have little patience for this, but it's what Alex's entire argument is.
jordan holmes
I do find one thing that he said very interesting, which is the articles behind a paywall and the way that their headlines operate.
That does interest me, because if you're talking about a headline like Alex Jones sends child porn to, and you're talking about it from the New York Times, and you can't read that.
That is bullshit.
I did not consider that whatsoever.
dan friesen
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
If those were the only places covering it.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course, of course.
dan friesen
I can't imagine someone seeing that headline, not being able to read the article, and not hunting down another article they could read with the same primary reporting.
jordan holmes
I can.
His name is Alex Jones.
Right.
I do think it would be a surprising number of people also.
dan friesen
Right.
It's that whole thing of the second step.
And most people don't take the second step.
Possibly.
But I also think, like...
I mean, there's a hundred articles I've never read because they're on the Washington Post.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
I still know what they say because I found another article.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's on the person who's receiving the information.
It's unfortunate that the New York Times and Washington Post business model are that way.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I understand why.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But it...
I don't know.
If they were the only fucking news outlets, then this would be a good argument.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But I don't think it is.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
I'm not sanctioning his argument by any stretch.
I'm just saying that I had not considered that as a side effect for somebody who just scrolls through Google News headlines and sees that maybe everybody's headline is very...
dan friesen
I agree on that level.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's why you don't name articles like this.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
Because there is too much of the scroll-through effect or whatever.
you see the headline, you internalize whatever it says as fact, as opposed to getting the story.
And I'm guilty of that.
I think people are susceptible to just like...
Don't need to read that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, everybody has done the whole Facebook thing where they share an article after only reading a couple of paragraphs and they didn't read the whole thing.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It happens.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, there's some insults flying around about this Connecticut paper.
And then Mark Twain gets quoted.
robert barnes
But it appears that the media just conjured this up on its own and originated with the Connecticut Post.
The Connecticut Post is a second-tier publication.
It's not considered a serious publication in Connecticut.
That was drawing back to when I went to school in Connecticut.
And so the idea that anyone would pay attention to the Connecticut Post when the Hartford Courant had already reported days before what the actual situation was is what put all these big newspapers and big media and big influential social media celebrities on notice.
Definitely the big institutional press.
There's simply no excuse whatsoever for the New York Times to run that headline when they know that the Hartford Courant, the only respected publication, and it's still a liberal publication, but a much more respected publication, had already debunked this days before.
So for them to run it...
They used it as a pretext, an excuse.
They needed some local publication to print some headline that they could then piggyback off of so they could repeat the lie and have the lie spread around the world before the truth could get its pants on.
And that's precisely what the institutional press did.
alex jones
In fact, I was going to start the broadcast today to say that a lie goes halfway around the world for the truth to put its pants on Mark Twain.
dan friesen
You got brass balls, Alex.
So, I mean...
Whatever.
The thing that bums me out, the thing that bothers me is that, like...
Most of the information is the same of those stories that came out on Friday from the Daily Beast and other publications reporting on Alex's broadcast and the ones that were reporting on Monday just with a different headline.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's the same information just from a slightly different angle.
Alex is, I am the victim of a conspiracy where someone sent me illegal pornography that was discovered by these lawyers and the FBI say I'm cool.
Then on Monday, the other thing is these lawyers are like, hey, in this batch of discovery, information that got sent over, Alex sent over illegal pornography.
We went over it, and there's no indication that he meant to or that he viewed it or anything like that.
It's the same information, just presented slightly differently with the headline.
It's annoying on one level, and then I understand that it's also probably annoying as our show.
That it's just constantly him and Barnes and Alex and Alex and Alex repeating that over and over again.
But I did that intentionally because I think it is annoying.
And it's important to know that this is what's being driven into his audience's mind.
But it's not as important as what the point behind it is.
And Barnes says that out loud in this next clip.
robert barnes
The other point I think broadly is this, that everybody's now having to ask a question.
Given that this was a complete fabrication by the most powerful institutional press in our country and in the world about you and Sandy Hook, what other lies have been told about you or you and Sandy Hook or you in general over the past five years?
alex jones
Let's talk about what this means to the big picture with Robert Barnes.
dan friesen
Your calls are coming up.
jordan holmes
An unironic good work, Barnes.
dan friesen
This is what it's all about.
It's the idea of creating plausible, reasonable doubt or something like that in the court of public opinion.
The idea of this headline was misleading.
Now, the information wasn't inaccurate, but they're defaming you in the headline.
Now, if you take that, that's all fake.
How much do you really know about Alex?
Everything's probably a lie.
He's not even a conspiracy theorist.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
No, this is the joy that should have come on.
This is what he would have fucking dined out on forever if he hadn't have fucking threatened the lawyer.
Barnes is coming up here just like, man, man, man, try and lay low for a few days and then I'll bring it back in.
I'll slam it home.
I have no ethics.
dan friesen
I mean, this is why you pay Barnes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is why you pay Barnes.
dan friesen
Because that's synthesizing this in a way that Alex couldn't have possibly reached.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And it's so manipulative.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
It's so fucking awesome in terms of, like, I hate it.
jordan holmes
It's the worst.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it's pretty impressive.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But this is what the manipulation is about deep down.
This is what it is.
Creating the idea that you don't know shit about Alex Jones.
You just know what the MSM writes in headlines.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
You probably think he lives in Austin.
dan friesen
He doesn't, actually.
I don't know.
I'm trying to come up with absurd examples of, like, blow-your-mind facts about Alex.
But it's all it is.
It's a distraction.
It's very intentional.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, Barnes has a lot of My Cousin Vinny in him on this.
I'm just like, eh, I'll throw anything at the wall.
I'll wear a weird suit.
Fuck it, yeah.
dan friesen
But, yeah.
I don't think this is going to help at all, legally.
But it's very good for retaining the audience.
jordan holmes
For business, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex makes an announcement about another sort of social media thing that he's on.
And this led me down a rabbit hole that was kind of interesting.
alex jones
That's the evil of these individuals, but you can overpower them.
So, Subscribestar.com forward slash Alex Jones.
Document cam shot.
There you go.
Subscribestar.com forward slash Alex Jones.
Please go there.
Even if it's $5 a month, that'll be added.
Because listen, if I sell $100,000 worth of product, but it's on sale, and we only make $15,000 or $20,000, that doesn't fund something like this operation.
But if something on Subscribestar where I get 95% of it, that's real money that I know that when you subscribe, you can cancel any time that I can budget to hire people and do things and pay for gas for an RV for reporters to drive around the country and cheap hotel rooms and hire more people.
This is the fight we're in.
dan friesen
You don't need a hotel room and an RV.
That's silly.
That's excessive.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes you need a good bed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is another piece of the, like, announcing really publicly, I'm on Telegram.
This is another one.
Subscribe star.
jordan holmes
What is that?
dan friesen
So on this episode, Alex is increasingly talking about being in really bad financial straits.
On all three of these episodes, he's doing so many goddamn commercials.
The ads are flying around like insane.
It's nuts.
And he's even started a Save InfoWars emergency sale, where everything in store is half off, everything has free shipping, and double Patriot points.
jordan holmes
No way.
dan friesen
That's bad news.
jordan holmes
Wow, this is not good.
dan friesen
He needs cash fast.
jordan holmes
This is not good.
dan friesen
Perhaps even worse than all that is this news that he's decided to join a crowdfunding website.
That's for people like us, who don't pretend for a second to be successful, and who advertisers have no interest in.
It's not for the alleged king of ratings, the biggest thing in the world, like Alex Jones presents himself to be.
SubscribeStar is the Patreon for people who are too big of assholes to be on Patreon.
You might find people like Sargon of Akkad there, that variety of folk.
I'm sure there are some other people who use the site who aren't crazy, racist, fuckhead lunatics, but as best I can tell, it's most prominent in people's consciousness because it's become the home for people who've been kicked off other crowdfunding websites because they're too big of assholes.
jordan holmes
Which says all you need to know about who's running it.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I actually don't know that.
I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know enough about it to say.
I would imagine...
That at least they turn a blind eye to it, these assholes.
I understand why people like Sargon would try to rebuild their crowdfunding on a new platform, because it's all he's got.
He's someone who's in desperate need of a way to monetize his free speech con that he's operating, and if this is the place that happens, that makes sense.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
The account has been active since at least May 15th, 2019, and as of this Thursday, he has only 129 people subscribing to him.
His page has only been shared on social media 112 times.
This is almost non-existent engagement, especially when you consider how large he pretends his audience is.
He claims he has millions upon millions of listeners, and right now Alex is all over the cultural zeitgeist awareness.
All of his fans would be very, very aware that he is in the middle of a legal battle, that he is saying without people's support, his days are numbered.
He said he's going to be dead in a year if things go this way.
And yet, all these millions of people, out of them, 129, have answered the call to action.
jordan holmes
They're probably already on auto-ship, though.
dan friesen
You don't know that?
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Ben Garrison has a Subscribestar account.
He has 33 donors.
Owen Schroer has 53. Jordan Peterson has 65. Mark Dice is coming in with a hot 36. Stefan Molyneux has 27. And Laura Loomer's got 29 people on board.
Shit, Subscribestar itself has a Subscribestar account, and they only have 22 subscribers.
unidentified
Only 22 people are signed up to support the platform that they're on.
jordan holmes
They all work for Subscribestar.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
Given those numbers, you might be inclined to say, well, that website clearly has 130 people on it.
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like it.
dan friesen
You have the idea that it's like, no one's on there.
jordan holmes
Right, it's not Patreon.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like, hey, okay, Owen Schreier's got 53 people, but if that's out of 130, that's a huge percentage.
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I have bad news.
Because there are some people who are doing pretty well on there.
Paul Joseph Watson has 1,992 subscribers.
And Sargon has something around 3,000.
And what's interesting about that is that their existence proves that success is possible on that platform.
And there are more people than are subscribing to these other people.
So what's interesting there is they kind of demonstrate that Patreon doesn't have a monopoly.
Because of their success, they disprove the very idea.
Of their assumed victimhood.
Because Sargon of Akkad and Paul Joseph Watson have found ways to make this really work, they prove that none of these other people who are listed are in any way the victims of some sort of a tech monopoly or anything like that.
If they had active, engaged fan bases like Sargon and Paul Joseph Watson did, they would probably be able to rise to the same level.
And they just don't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not surprising.
dan friesen
It's interesting.
The victimhood narrative of these fellow travelers of Sargon and Paul Joseph Watson is heavily punctured by their own success.
They have really demonstrated that all those arguments are silly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
On the other hand, it does make sense for Sargon to have...
Such a huge following because it's really all he has.
So he has to pimp that out quite a bit more.
Whereas Alex, I doubt anybody even really noticed that he had a subscribe star.
Maybe.
Until...
Recently, because he's more pushing his products.
dan friesen
This episode was on Tuesday.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he's promoting it heavily.
jordan holmes
Right.
Oh, he is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we're talking, even now, there's still, ooh, that's not good.
dan friesen
At least two days later, from when that episode aired.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
No.
I mean, 129 people supporting is great.
I mean, again, I come from a land of expecting nothing.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
So, 129 people isn't something to sneeze at.
Like, you do a comedy show, 129 people show up to a bar, it's pretty fucking amazing.
jordan holmes
Pretty fucking amazing.
dan friesen
But not if you have millions of fans and it's digital.
jordan holmes
Right.
129 people show up to a theater.
Very different than 129 people in a bar.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You're like John Mulaney and 129 people show up.
It's a big bummer.
jordan holmes
Real problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
If it's me, that's great.
100%.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's real interesting to me, this sort of thing.
It leads me to have some...
Pretty serious suspicions about the size of his audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we could be in punching down territory very quickly.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's one of those things that's a stray piece of information that you would expect to be very different if the reality as presented by Alex were true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what to do with that information.
Gotta look for more context clues.
But in this next clip, Alex drives home the point that Norm has made.
Not Norm.
Barnes.
What Barnes has made about this, you know, the idea is calling into question everything you know about Alex.
You think you know, you have no idea, to quote MTV.
robert barnes
And then they read the substance of the articles, those that had access to it.
Most people didn't.
But those that did realize, oh my goodness, the entire thing is fake.
It's entirely fake news.
The headline is fake news.
It's totally false.
This is someone who is the victim that they're trying to portray as a perpetrator.
It was completely insane and absurd, the level at which they went.
And when people realized that, it then raised questions, because what you had been pointing out, what Infowars had been pointing out, what various members of the dissident press had been pointing out, is this is exactly what they've been doing for years and decades.
They've been doing it not only for you, they've been doing it about anybody in the independent space who raises questions about whether it's bogus wars or bogus politics or illicit activity being covered up by those in places of institutional power, willing to challenge and question establishment narratives that often do more harm than good.
Those attributes that now people have to rethink everything they previously thought.
So you have people on the left thinking, wow, if I could completely buy into a totally false headline shared by all these institutional members of the press, shared by some of the biggest, most well-respected members of the institutional press, and I was completely taken for a ride by it, what else might I have been wrong about?
What else about Alex Jones might I have wronged completely?
alex jones
Bingo!
Let's come back with the coup de...
dan friesen
So, I apologize.
I thought that Alex expressed that.
I didn't realize it was just Barnes saying it again.
But that's why this distinction is really important.
The headline is technically correct.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The idea that the Connecticut Post has lied about Alex isn't fair.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's all about the insinuation.
Right.
They're responding to what is in people's minds as opposed to what the Connecticut Post actually did.
And that distinction is very important.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I have a newfound respect for Barnes.
He is not in a good way.
I just mean, right now he sounds exactly like a movie evil lawyer.
Like, he is hamming up his part really, really well.
Whereas previously, I thought he was just kind of a bloviating idiot.
dan friesen
Well, he is that, too.
jordan holmes
He is that, too.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But I thought he was just that.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's nice to know that there are multiple facets to his criminal behavior.
dan friesen
I mean, I've heard hours of him rambling with Alex, and this is one of the first times that I'm like, smooth, Barnes.
Smooth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because this is, as far as spin goes, this is pretty good.
dan friesen
I do still think it's trying to claim victory from the jaws of defeat.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
In terms of this, like, all right, they...
Made a vaguely misleading, potentially misleading headline about you.
Now, how do we spin that into everything you've ever said is actually accurate and everyone lies about you?
Can we bridge that gap?
jordan holmes
What if we take this little thread and make a big, giant tapestry of bullshit out of it?
dan friesen
It's a big swing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, we get off all this stuff.
Barnes leaves.
Alex says we're going to come back with a coup de grace.
There's no coup de grace.
jordan holmes
No, that doesn't sound right.
dan friesen
But Alex wants to start covering the news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And although Roger Stone was on not too long ago and he said that Michelle Obama is going to come out of nowhere and be the Democratic candidate.
jordan holmes
It does sound like she is.
dan friesen
Alex is still focused on Joe Biden.
jordan holmes
Ah, what a fool!
dan friesen
And Joe...
Had a little comment recently, and Alex is making hay out of it.
alex jones
But let's get back to the threats of violence in your phone calls.
Here's Joe Biden, advocates real physical revolution to push through his political agenda.
Talk about dog whistles, baby.
This is one you can hear.
That's the Declaration of Physical War.
Here it is.
joe biden
And so, folks, look, if you start off with a notion there's nothing you can do, well, why don't you all go home then, man?
Or let's start a real physical revolution, if you're talking about it.
Because we have to be able to change what we're doing within our system.
alex jones
So you see that poor people's campaign?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that did cut off real quick.
alex jones
And that's Soros-funded.
And that's the radical communist part.
dan friesen
First of all, I have zero interest in defending Joe Biden, but there's something particularly hilarious about Alex going on and on about the media dishonestly characterizing his situation vis-a-vis the Sandy Hook lawsuit, then immediately proceeding to dishonestly characterize Joe Biden's statements.
jordan holmes
I don't understand where there's a problem here.
I don't understand the problem.
dan friesen
It's jarring.
jordan holmes
It's almost like he edited that clip.
And took it out of context.
dan friesen
I think someone else did, and he just was like, ooh, good clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
He doesn't do any work.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So Biden was specifically saying, let's start a real physical revolution as an example of something that we weren't going to do and something that was a bad idea.
It was in the context of him explaining that there's a whole lot of negotiating that could be done with the GOP and that we need to change what we do specifically while doing it, quote, within our system, right where that clip cut out.
Saying let's start a real physical revolution is almost an insult coming out of Biden's mouth.
He might as well have said it while doing a jerk off motion.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what he might as well have done.
Yes.
unidentified
That's exactly when I read that headline.
jordan holmes
I was like, yeah, he's doing one of these.
dan friesen
Joe Biden was giving a strong defense of compromising with the GOP.
And this is how it's covered by someone like Alex Jones, as if he were triggering a literal communist violent revolution.
This is a perfect case in point of why you can't win with propagandists.
They will go on for an hour about how they're the victim of the deceptive media, and then without missing a beat, they switch into being that same deceptive media, just targeting the person that their audience wants them to go after.
It's hypocrisy on one level, but more accurately, it's a profound level of psychological abuse to subject anyone who trusts you to.
Two completely separate realities are created just by editing that clip.
People who see Biden's full comments will see a guy who, for better or worse, probably worse, is endorsing compromise and working within the system.
The people who see the right-wing smear version, like the one Alex just played and presented that way, will think the lamest of all candidates of the Democratic field is an out-and-out radical just waiting to let loose his shock troops to the streets.
This separation of folks is all Alex has ever really achieved in his life, and it is a sad waste.
jordan holmes
And it's all the more ironic coming from Biden's comments of, we need to reach across the aisle and work with these people.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
You know?
Hey, yeah, we need to reach across the aisle and work with the guy who literally just cut you saying that banal.
In incorrect statement and turned it into propaganda about how you are trying to kill them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You're not going to reach across the aisle, Biden.
dan friesen
There's an even more interesting dynamic to it, too, that it's like no one's calling for a violent revolution, but that's how Joe Biden is characterizing the farther left people, as if that is a violent revolution.
So he's mischaracterizing the actual, like...
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everyone but AOC is doing a bad job here.
dan friesen
And in his mischaracterization, it is then further mischaracterized by Alex to imply that Joe Biden is the violent communist uprising.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, isn't that?
It's just the same shit from the Obama years.
It doesn't matter how hard you try and craft the Obamacare as a compromise.
It doesn't matter.
They are going to call you a violent, evil socialist.
dan friesen
The road must be twisted for some reason.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's very unpleasant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the only piece of advice that I want to give every one of these people.
And it's really only Warren and Sanders who are like, just fucking lean into it, man.
Say what you think is the right thing to do and don't give a fuck what they're going to call it.
dan friesen
Yeah, because they're just going to call it something.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter.
dan friesen
So Biden's out there calling for a violent revolution.
We've established that.
jordan holmes
Well, it's his style.
dan friesen
So now, when this violent revolution comes, I mean, you've got to be worried about the patriots.
You've got to be worried about Alex's gun, weirdo buddies.
unidentified
Do we?
dan friesen
I think you should.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But you don't need to.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, that's nice.
dan friesen
Because the globalists have found a way to paralyze them.
alex jones
And they're going to try to paralyze people fighting back if we go to a hot revolution by saying you're racist because they've tried to make it along racial lines so that minorities, or the majority in most areas, don't feel like they could be part of Americana.
They inflict the psychic wound on them to be successful and have freedom and own a gun and to be happy is white and is evil and has to get its systems.
Shut down.
So again, I want to be very, very, very, very clear with everybody.
I want to be very, very clear with everybody about all of this.
We're going into the season of war.
And they have been inches from shutting down the final bank accounts we have through their criminal activity and their digital fraud.
And we need to know that we've got capital to go six months, a year.
We need it in here.
We need to be provisioned.
jordan holmes
We need money.
dan friesen
No, that's exactly what you want him to do.
That's not crazy.
That's an ad pivot.
Hey, Joe Biden's going to start a hot revolution and then they're going to paralyze all my buddies by calling us racists.
And then I'm going to say something kind of racist.
jordan holmes
Oh, insanely racist.
That should be a crime.
What he just did right there should be a crime.
Blaming the globalists for...
Characterizing all of this shit as white and saying that that's why the minorities don't get it as opposed to it being an action that is perpetrated on a daily basis by you and your ilk.
dan friesen
You have an interesting perspective on this.
jordan holmes
That's disgusting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is so fucking...
That should be a crime.
That's so gross.
dan friesen
File that in the sort of white identity, white supremacist trend on this episode.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
It's going to get way worse.
So, in this next clip, Alex pretends that he's going to sue the Connecticut Post.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which is just file that in the list of idle threats that Alex makes about lawcraft.
jordan holmes
Barnes hits the cash register one more time.
alex jones
And we know how this works.
We know who to sue.
It's the Connecticut Post.
They're the ones.
That put out the big disinformation statements that then the rest of the media picks up, and then the judge, whether she's ignorant or whatever, goes with it as if it came out of the mouth of God.
jordan holmes
That's not a good idea to insult the judge.
alex jones
And so they're there saying that I offered a million dollars for the head of this lawyer.
When I said there's a reward for who sent us the child porn, and we don't know who it is.
And it's clear that I'm mad at them because of the discovery process, but I'm not calling for violence against them.
But that doesn't matter.
They clip and they paste and they manipulate, and they go in because, again, I'm the bad guy.
Look at this headline.
Judge says apology from Alex Jones' lawyer in Sandy Case Hook falls short.
So what does it say again?
Oh, I'm sorry.
And then it goes to say that I said the families did it.
They always hide behind the families.
I never said the families sent that in.
jordan holmes
I said the lawyers sent that in.
alex jones
I said it's very, very suspicious, and I said I'm going to find out who did it, and I'd love to see their head on a pike.
That's a figure of speech.
dan friesen
It's a figure of speech.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
It's a figure of speech.
jordan holmes
All right, we're good then.
I think everybody's good.
dan friesen
I think that anybody who got the message or the idea that the families...
Or he sent to the families.
That's misreading of stuff.
But I understand why he would be sensitive about that appearance.
Because that would be a profoundly fucked up thing to do.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that'd be insane.
dan friesen
And so if people were accusing him of that, like if the paper was actually saying that, I would understand responding very poorly to that.
unidentified
Yeah, that would be libel.
dan friesen
Yeah, he probably could sue them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he could sue them if they did that.
dan friesen
As it stands.
jordan holmes
Can't sue.
dan friesen
I don't think there's a lawsuit here.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, we get more information about that idea that he didn't threaten this lawyer, Chris Maddy.
And I don't think this works.
I think this would be tough to argue, not on a radio show.
alex jones
The Connecticut Post, they said I was talking about this Maddy guy.
Because his article was sitting there and I was banging the table.
And his face was on the table.
Give me a break.
I bang the table when my face is on it.
Does that mean I'm going to get Alex Jones?
Give me a break.
dan friesen
Give me a break.
Let's hear that again from Friday's show.
Exactly how he did this.
Just to show how much of a fucking bullshit artist he is.
norm pattis
The point is that somebody directed child pornography into your email accounts, hoping that you would open it, so that when you opened it, there would be direct evidence that you had viewed knowingly and possessed child porn.
alex jones
And now, magically, they want metadata out of hundreds of thousands of emails they got, and they know right where to go.
What a nice group of Democrats.
How surprising.
What nice people.
Chris and Maddie.
Chris Matty.
Let's zoom in on Chris Matty.
unidentified
Oh, nice little Chris Matty.
alex jones
What a good American.
What a good boy.
You think you'll put on me?
Anyways, I'm done.
Total War.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, this picture just happened to be on the...
I mean, this is complete bullshit that anyone would say that he's targeting him or implying that he's the person who's responsible for...
It's bullshit.
jordan holmes
He literally stopped himself from saying, I'm going to kill him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or get.
dan friesen
It could have been get, maybe, but it did sound more like a K. Yeah, he got a K in there.
I wouldn't die on that hill, but it does sound more like probably kill.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to lean towards that one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So yeah, this is bullshit.
The idea that like, oh, the article just happened to be on camera.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, you are going to kill Alex Jones, Alex.
dan friesen
But this, to me, is indicative of how serious he realizes this is.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he really needs to try and dance away from the...
I was implying that the opposing counsel should be killed for a million dollars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He really needs that to be the case.
Because otherwise, like, he is...
He's a nut.
I don't know how else to put it.
He's crazy.
unidentified
And unfortunately, he's crazy.
dan friesen
Because he did that shit.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes just saying the truth could be really, really funny.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, he has to desperately fight back against reality, because reality is bleak.
jordan holmes
Oh, and it's coming to get him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, in this next clip, Alex retells what happened on Friday, on his Friday show.
And in this new retelling, he didn't think the lawyers or Chris Maddy was behind it.
It was the globalists.
alex jones
No, I mean, I legitimately got mad on Friday.
It was the fourth hour.
I've been arguing with these French reporters, and I just kind of conflate and mix everything together.
I know I'm mad at them persecuting me and I'm mad at whoever planted it.
And I think it's suspicious that they went in and found all these hidden links and they're trying to spin it.
You know, like I knew what was going on.
If an email somebody sent me that we never opened.
So I just blow up and I say, whoever has done this, I want to get you busted.
You know, big reward.
I want to see your head on a pipe.
That's figurative.
And because of the nature of the fact that they're losing these suits and everything they say isn't true, they're like, ah, bonanza.
Now we'll misrepresent this, but it's all going to come out.
They're trying to get me charged for emails that I was sent about Sandy Hook death-threatening me that I never opened, that had hidden links in them that they then found.
I think they're scared, not the particular lawyers, but the whole system, that whoever did send this is part of the establishment.
And, look, it's a $100,000 reward, because the legal way to do it is you can't say...
A hundred thousand for arrest, a million for reward, because then people might say testimony that isn't true for the conviction.
I also don't have a million dollars extra laying around here.
I was mad.
I was wild.
dan friesen
So, I mean, that's cockamamie nonsense.
jordan holmes
You know, listening to that, I think I...
Here's what I theorize is what's going on with him right now through that.
He has had it clearly explained to him the consequences For what he did.
But he cannot comprehend what he did.
dan friesen
You mean on Friday's show?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's had it explained to him clearly, but he can't actually comprehend...
What he did that was wrong.
He has to, like, this isn't him spinning it, I don't think.
I think he genuinely believes that they are doing, that they planted the child porn or whatever, and that's what they're doing with everything else.
He doesn't understand.
dan friesen
I agree with you that he still thinks that the people who are trying to, because he thinks that the fucking Hillary Clinton's running the law firm that's suing him.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But I don't know if he really thinks that one.
dan friesen
I think he has to.
jordan holmes
I just don't know.
I don't know what he believes is going on at any given point in time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One of the difficulties is, like, he's nuts.
But, like, what level?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, how delusional is he?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's a difficult line to figure out exactly, because some of it could be opportunistic spin.
I don't know.
But if you just go based on the things he says, he believes that Hillary Clinton and the globalists are behind the law firms that are suing him to try and take him down.
So even if he shifts it from, I don't believe it's these lawyers, but it's part of the establishment, that's still the people who are suing him.
So it doesn't change anything about his conspiracy of victimization.
jordan holmes
That is fun, that even if he is apologizing or trying to deflect blame back to the globalists.
He's already called them globalists.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
There's no escape here.
That doesn't make anything better.
dan friesen
Let me just rephrase this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But there's one party that does get the blame, and maybe accurately so, and that is these goddamn French people.
jordan holmes
What did the French people do?
dan friesen
Well, as you'll recall, on our Monday episode, going over his Friday episode, he does bring up, goddammit, these French people are here.
unidentified
He does.
jordan holmes
I didn't know he was arguing with them.
dan friesen
I didn't either.
I just thought it was the weirdest non-sequitur on Friday's episode.
I thought it was hilarious that he had let a French crew in there that he regretted them being there and hated.
It turns out he got into an argument with them and he talks a little bit more about that and blames them for him blowing up on air.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
It was too much.
These French, and I love French people, but the smarmy ones, the leftist ones.
The anti-gun ones, you know, creeping around here that I hadn't really even green-lighted being here.
And then Norm's plane was late, so he wasn't here with them.
And I just blew up.
And I blew up with them, too.
You'll get to my face later.
That video's up on Infowars.com.
And at just a certain point, they're liars.
They said they weren't coming here for what they said.
I have their emails.
So I kept just making the joke, go back to your Islamic caliphate of France.
dan friesen
Good joke.
alex jones
They're all just shell-offs, ladies and gentlemen.
There's Norm, finally got there late.
His plane was delayed.
And so I blew up at them, and then I go blow up on air.
Because it's like, once you light the fuse, man, once the volcano goes off, you know, that's the end of it.
jordan holmes
You need help.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's being like a really rage-filled person.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's somebody who needs psychiatric care.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or...
Yoga.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Any number of things.
dan friesen
Something.
Go call Diamond Dallas Page.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
If he could fucking fix Scott Hall up, he could help Alex.
jordan holmes
I think that would be great.
dan friesen
DDP does miracles.
Oh my god, let's start this.
Let's send Alex a bunch of DDP yoga DVDs.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
What if?
That would be crazy if that really turned him around.
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
dan friesen
That's a big get for you, DDP.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you can do that.
dan friesen
If you're listening.
I know that we have some wrestling fans in the audience, but I don't know if Diamond Dallas Page listens.
But if he does, got a request.
Help Alex.
unidentified
Help Alex.
dan friesen
Because it's tough, man.
He already predicted his own death earlier.
And now in this next clip, he talks very fatalistically a lot of the time.
But this is one of the instances where I really feel like this feels like a real concern of his.
alex jones
I have a plan.
We're going to have guest hosts and people, but also we're going to have roundtable listeners every day that get to co-host part of the show.
Oh, boy.
And the rest of it, because, I mean, I am having to prepare for no longer being on the air.
I don't want to have to get to that point, but we've put in a hell of a fight against the enemy, and I intend to be here another 10 years.
But this is dark, dark days, folks, and people don't know what's going on behind the scenes and things.
I can't really fill you in, but thank you so much, sir.
I appreciate your call.
dan friesen
So I think that is in line with your idea of, like, he does understand the severity of the situation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he can't, yeah, he can't show ass.
He can't admit responsibility.
But there is a feeling that, like, this might be about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this might be the one, huh?
dan friesen
Because think about it.
If we're, like, far off from the actual trial and he's freaking out like this about something that he is right about, like, the idea of these emails being sent to him, what the fuck is he going to do on the stand?
What the fuck is he going to do as the trial date gets closer?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Like, the amount of pressure that he's in abstractly now.
Is going to intensify.
Like, I think on some level, what you hear there, I have to prepare for not being on the air, is a sense of, like, I gotta take myself out of the game.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel a real...
jordan holmes
If he's asking people to take him to rebroadcast because he can't trust himself on the air, that means that there have to be people who are like, hey...
Maybe you shouldn't be on the air.
Maybe you shouldn't be on the air, period.
dan friesen
Maybe those people that we've rightly pointed the finger at for not stopping him have finally been like, we gotta sit you down and be like, Alex, this has gone too far.
Maybe.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
That'll be a transition.
dan friesen
So now, that Connecticut Post article with the misleading headline was bad, I think.
Or at least it was unproductive.
They didn't do anything wrong, necessarily, but it's that kind of coverage of Alex that I think is awful.
Unfortunately, later in the day, on June 18th, Alex gets exactly what he needs, and that is someone does write a false headline about him.
jordan holmes
No!
God damn it!
alex jones
I am now experiencing what only President Trump has experienced, or only what a nation about to be invaded that's being lied about has experienced.
Headlines are coming in by the minute that are complete lies.
Ladies and gentlemen, the top Twitter story in trending, and also when you search my name, is father of Sandy Hook victim wins defamation lawsuit against Alex Jones.
It goes on to say, I wrote a book called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
Ladies and gentlemen, that is totally insane.
No one's won a lawsuit.
jordan holmes
I did not write that book.
dan friesen
So what ended up happening here, and Alex is going to, we're going to hear him talk about this a little bit more.
He's arguing that the Associated Press put out that article about him.
And that they're defaming him as saying that he wrote this book that was written by James Fetzer.
Yeah.
And that...
Because the Sandy Hook...
I believe it was just Posner.
I'm not entirely sure.
There might have been more families.
But they did win a case against the writers of that book.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I read that one.
dan friesen
And so...
jordan holmes
Not the book.
dan friesen
No.
The Associated Press article is about that.
It's about that case that the families won.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, Market Watch.
Reposted the article.
jordan holmes
And they misattributed the...
dan friesen
The headline was rewritten.
And then in the sub-headline, it says, Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist and wrote the book.
Rowan died at Sandy Hook.
Completely fucked up.
Totally wrong.
The body of the article is exactly the same as the Associated Press.
They just rewrote the headline and did the worst job possible.
And I don't know how this is possible.
But while I was preparing this episode, Thursday morning, I checked.
That article is still up on Market Watch.
jordan holmes
That can't be real.
dan friesen
That is nuts.
jordan holmes
That it still says Alex Jones on it?
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
No way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And nobody is covered?
dan friesen
And I think that there's a reason why, and we'll get to that here in a little bit.
But Alex thinks that the globalists wrote this story as a magical act.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's lesser magic.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
Who's there?
What they believe in is like this weird Harry Potter magic because they're into the occult.
They call it lesser magic.
They believe if they say I lose lawsuits, it makes it happen because people then just believe I'm already convicted.
Next level.
Get Barnes on.
I know Watson's taking over.
Pattis is in court right now where the judge is trying to figure out how to put me in jail.
dan friesen
Get me Robert Barnes.
He was just on.
jordan holmes
He was there.
dan friesen
He was just on the show.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
You're going to get double billed.
But yeah, I don't think it's magic.
I think it's just a shitty editor over at MarketWatch, which isn't too surprising.
MarketWatch has had a lot.
Not a lot, maybe, but I definitely run into some dubious stuff over there in my Alex Jones research.
Various topics he covers.
And he uses them as a source fairly regularly.
So, like, I don't know.
I think it's just a huge fuck-up on whoever was editing MarketWatch.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And unacceptable.
Unbelievably boneheaded.
I don't know how else to put it.
It's like, you just gave Alex exactly what he needs.
If I were Alex, I would say that they were working with Alex.
Because how do you justify your victimhood and that the media is lying about you?
Well, get one example of the media lying about you and then say hundreds of articles have the same headline.
jordan holmes
Right.
And not just that, but...
I am guessing that he is not shooting out cease and desist to Market Watch if it's still up there.
dan friesen
Well, we'll get to that.
jordan holmes
Which kind of suggests he is totally cool with it being up there.
dan friesen
Well, we'll get to what they do once we get to the 19th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because they don't follow the right path on this one.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But before we get to that, we have one more clip from the 18th, and it's just Alex sort of freaking out.
alex jones
And then I say, I'm suspicious of this.
There's a big reward out.
And they say, oh my God, boy, we'll teach you Texans.
unidentified
We'll teach you dirty dogs a good trick.
You think your big mouth leader is going to take our power?
jordan holmes
Never!
unidentified
Good.
Good idea.
alex jones
It's treason, then.
Oh, man, these people are unbelievable.
They're just starting to one-up each other.
Well, let's say he lost a lawsuit.
Yeah.
Let's say he wrote a book.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'll be good.
Yeah, let's say he wrote a book as an insult to him.
dan friesen
It's just MarketWatch, man.
I mean, it's not that, like, hey, I wouldn't put up with that either, but, like, it's not everybody.
It's just a fucking shitty headline on MarketWatch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But one of the things and the reasons I wanted to play that clip was I think that people could very...
I could see the audience or someone in the audience thinking that we think every time he freaks out he's drunk.
That was sober.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that was definitely not drunk.
dan friesen
I just want to be clear that there is a distinction between his drunk behaviors and then just that.
That's how he flips out performatively and just has a little freak out and does a little voice.
Very different.
jordan holmes
It's kind of strange to be so intimately familiar with somebody's quirks, despite having never met them.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I think audio is such an intimate medium.
You really get the sense for people's rhythms and patterns and stuff.
I think Alex, he's no different.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I think it's a common experience.
Everybody does it with their own podcasts.
You listen to somebody's voice for so long, you think you already know.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, we get to the 19th now, and on the evening of the 18th, Trump had his rally in Orlando.
jordan holmes
Yes, where he told all kinds of true things.
dan friesen
Oh my god, he was...
jordan holmes
So true.
All the truths.
I can't wait for him to defeat Hillary in 2016.
dan friesen
God, it's going to be amazing.
So, you know, he had his rally, and Alex starts the show with just a bunch of clips from the rally.
And then Alex starts talking about how Trump...
It's a throwback.
alex jones
That said, though, Trump is 73 now.
And he comes from a very conservative family.
And by that, very old-fashioned, his father and mother.
And Trump's a dinosaur.
Now, that's a good thing.
It's good to have a throwback.
Because, you know, the old-fashioned system he follows is the vanguard of Western culture.
The system we have now is a corrupt, collapsing leftist.
A system of cancer from within.
dan friesen
So if you take that, it's hard to square that with Trump's dad's ideas about eugenics.
Yeah.
A lot of those other elements of his life.
jordan holmes
He's a real throwback to Herbert Hoover, Dan.
dan friesen
Alex is expressing that he's a throwback to the good part of America.
And if you hear that, you have to either assume that Alex doesn't know anything, or he does, and the throwback to the good part of America is the part where Trump said that the Central Park Five should be executed.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And I think that's what he's saying.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure it is, yes.
dan friesen
So, also at this period, there was a lot of talk about whether or not the camps where people are being sent, these immigrants, whether they're concentration camps or not.
I have no patience for this argument.
jordan holmes
I hate everyone.
dan friesen
I think Alex is probably the worst angle on it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Oh, I didn't even consider what Alex's angle would be.
alex jones
Well, now top Democrats are coming out with official talking points on MSNBC and CNN.
We're going to play those after the break, saying that it's all a giant concentration camp.
Let me explain something to the leftists who I know know they're lying.
How do you tell before their lips even move, you know?
They're of their father, the devil.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Figuratively and archetypally and in reality as well.
You don't fight to get into a concentration camp.
You don't fight to get into a country that's bad.
dan friesen
So, I mean, hey, we got it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
What?
Yeah, hey, cool.
jordan holmes
That's it?
That's what he's got?
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
I like it.
Definitionally.
People are trying to immigrate here.
Ergo, whatever happens to them is exactly what they wanted to happen.
jordan holmes
I think I prefer that argument to other conservative people trying to split hairs over fucking connotation.
dan friesen
I think that when you start to look at it a little bit more, it falls apart.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
It makes no sense.
dan friesen
Well, because, I mean, like, let's say start killing people and immigration doesn't stop.
Well, they must want to be killed.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, it's stupid.
dan friesen
This is very stupid.
jordan holmes
Insane, but it's dumb in a way that I prefer.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, it's still just justifying something atrocious.
So in this next clip, this is maybe a mic down clip, because I think this is one of the closest things we've come to, Alex, like expressing overt white supremacy being masked as the West is the best kind of ideas.
I think that you could...
You could make a pretty strong argument that this is, even though Alex does say it's not about skin color in the middle of it.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I still think you can make a pretty strong argument this is about white supremacy.
I also think you can make a really strong argument that this is about Christianity versus Islam.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But at the same time, whatever it is, it's my team is superior to your team.
And it's very blunt.
alex jones
It's the West that ended slavery.
It's the West that went in and taught people in Africa to stop eating themselves.
Because we were doing it too a thousand years before.
But Christianity changed that.
And then due process and rule of law changed all that.
And in the fourth hour today I'm going to be hosting, I'm going to get into the rule of law and why it's so important and why the West is committing suicide and may be too far gone, but we can still have pockets of the West.
The West is ideas and culture, not color.
But if you don't celebrate it and admit its superiority, you will be destroyed by the systems that are inferior.
We all must recognize systems that are superior or be destroyed.
dan friesen
That's so fucked up.
jordan holmes
Also, did he just advocate for a new Rhodesia?
dan friesen
I think he always has been.
alex jones
Yeah, well, that's fair.
dan friesen
That's why Bob Chapman used to live there.
He loved it.
alex jones
He loved it.
dan friesen
It's great.
jordan holmes
It's like a summer camp.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
That's white nationalist as shit.
unidentified
He's calling people savages, Christian.
jordan holmes
White supremacists really like to just make up their own history.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
They are big fans.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The piece that I really find the most troubling is actually the part where he says it's not about color.
Because he then immediately says that you have to recognize that the West system is the superior system and celebrate it or be destroyed.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So that kind of is like, if you...
Look, you can hang around if you're any color or anything, but if you don't recognize that our Western system...
Which is white.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is the superior system.
You've got to be a white supremacist even if you're Mexican or black.
unidentified
Yep.
Yeesh.
jordan holmes
You've got to understand that.
There's a hierarchy, Dan, and they truly believe that.
dan friesen
That's a troubling thing to hear expressed so openly by Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Man.
dan friesen
And it doesn't even rank for him.
jordan holmes
America was not ready for a black president.
dan friesen
It doesn't even rank in terms of the trouble he has.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
dan friesen
This might be the best time for him to go full on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because no one's going to notice.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He just starts throwing slurs around.
Everyone's like, we got too much to cover.
I don't know.
So he gets back to this story here in this next clip, the one about the Fetzer lawsuit that is being mischaracterized by MarketWatch.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And so he talks about that a little bit.
alex jones
They say, now I want that to sink in.
I want that to sink in real good.
They made it the front story, the top of Yahoo for several hours, but the front page of Yahoo all day.
In AP all over the country that I wrote a book called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook that I've never read or touched and that I lost a lawsuit.
Ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
What deception.
This is the whole globalist plot.
Right there!
dan friesen
It's the only thing he can prove.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, you gotta make this, like, so important, because it's like, this is actually true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That MarketWatch did fuck up and make that the headline.
I mean, it's really disappointing, all in all.
But the thing that's still fucked up is that he's sort of implying that there's a conspiracy around pushing this one article that has a bad headline.
When I don't think that, I don't know that that was the, that certainly wasn't the headline I saw popping up the most.
And also, it implies that all of these things like the top of Yahoo and Twitter trends, they're all controlled by the same people who wanted to force this MarketWatch headline out there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
They are.
And do you know, boy, it rhymes with ruse!
It is who he thinks is doing it.
dan friesen
Possibly.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Owen Schroer shows up to make a big announcement.
And spoiler alert, it's that he's also on Subscribestar.
Okay.
Well, good for him.
They talk a little bit about that Fetzer story and the Bad Market Watch headline and really make a meal out of it.
alex jones
Owen Schroer, who hosts the War Room 3 p.m. every day, is here with us riding shotgun in the next.
Part of this segment and the next to announce something important.
And I want to be very, very clear about all of this.
dan friesen
Let me be clear.
It's that he's on Subscribestar.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
In the fight against the globalists, diversification and having many legs to a stool is critical.
You know they've been trying for years to shut down Infowars and really going to incredible lengths to do it.
The latest huge hoax stories that I've lost lawsuits, huge hoax stories.
That I'm sending child porn to people, just really dangerous stuff that signifies they're getting ready to try to physically remove Trump and all of his key supporters.
They wouldn't be this reckless with the things they're currently doing if they weren't about to pull the trigger.
Again, AP is still the top of Twitter.
So we're talking 24 hours later.
Please put it on screen for TV viewers.
Twitter has the fake news story, Associated Press, father of Sandy Hook victim wins defamation lawsuit against Alex Jones.
Alex Jones is the host of Conspiracy Driven InfoWars website and wrote a book titled Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
So he's attributing this to the Associated Press, which is not correct.
That is absolutely incorrect.
And he's saying that it's an indication that Trump is about to be taken out, which I am so tired of hearing.
Alex has said that.
Literally, anytime anything looks a little bad for him, it's an indication that Trump is about to be taken out.
jordan holmes
He said it before Trump was inaugurated.
dan friesen
Yeah, he said they're going to fly helicopters into the inauguration.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Because of COG.
jordan holmes
Yeah, continuity.
dan friesen
Haven't heard much about that lately.
jordan holmes
I haven't heard anything about COG recently.
dan friesen
Curious.
So, in this next clip, it gets even more extreme.
I'm going to say this again.
alex jones
Please put it on screen for TV viewers.
Hit me!
The top of Twitter since yesterday morning is an AP article that says that I wrote a book about Sandy Hook not happening and that I lost the lawsuit and that I'm involved in child porn.
None of it is true, ladies and gentlemen.
Now, what does that mean?
It means they may be getting ready to kill Trump within days.
I'm telling you, they don't do stuff like that.
We've called AP.
I'm going to say it again.
I have had lawyers call AP and say that is not our book.
We did not lose a lawsuit.
And they go, we've called up to higher-ups.
They just say it's staying up.
But you know it's not true.
Jones didn't write this book.
They go, we don't care.
That's the way it is now.
So, I mean, this is next level, my friend.
This is next level.
dan friesen
So he's saying that he and his lawyers contacted the Associated Press when it's Market Watch's headline.
There's nothing wrong with the Associated Press story.
From what I looked at, it didn't seem like there was a correction on it.
It didn't seem like the story was updated.
It's Market Watch.
You don't contact the Associated Press to get them to fix...
Some article that someone took from the Associated Press.
You contact the outlet, and Alex doesn't want to do that because he wants the Market Watch headline to stay up, and he wants his cake and eat it too to be able to say, we went there, we told them to take it down, and they said no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that has to be it.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, his lawyers are really, really stupid.
dan friesen
This is a propaganda coup for him.
This is a big win.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The idea that, like, oh, they're doing this psy-op on me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He probably wants to do everything in his power to, first of all, not mention that it's a Market Watch headline.
And second, make sure no one contacts Market Watch.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
He wants his lawyers to contact the AP as a formality and then bask in the victimhood of a poorly written headline.
jordan holmes
Either that or his lawyers are exactly like those dumb, dumb Christians who emailed Netflix to try and get Amazon's Good Omens canceled.
dan friesen
That's just a good strategy.
So Barnes is back here on the 19th.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
dan friesen
He's on every day.
jordan holmes
What is he doing?
dan friesen
Man, he's just raking it in.
So in this clip, Alex misrepresents the nature of this being an Associated Press headline.
And it's, I guess, implied from this that Barnes is the one who contacted the Associated Press.
And because Barnes doesn't correct him, I'm pretty sure it's all a facade.
alex jones
Okay, we're about to go to break and come back with Robert Barnes.
Bob, so much has happened, and I know you're going to have some updates for us on the other side, but first off, they're still running AP articles saying that I lost a lawsuit and that I wrote a book I didn't write.
It's still the front of Twitter.
That means this must be on purpose.
jordan holmes
The front of Twitter?
robert barnes
No doubt.
dan friesen
So no doubt.
jordan holmes
No doubt.
dan friesen
No doubt.
Not a correction about, hey, Alex, it wasn't the Associated Press.
You are misrepresenting that.
It was Market Watch.
No.
Conversation of what is the front of Twitter.
Yep.
I think it's all a charade, all a scam.
jordan holmes
Barnes is such a fucking scam lawyer.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
I cannot imagine...
dan friesen
He's tricks.
jordan holmes
I cannot imagine a more fucking uncouth lawyer.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's...
Yeah.
He's making his bucks today, though.
The idea of allowing Alex to present it as, like, my lawyers called the Associated Press and they said, this is just the way it is now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The fact that he doesn't be like, hey, Alex, you're implying that I called them and that's what I reported they told me.
And that's fucked up.
jordan holmes
No doubt, Alex.
dan friesen
And that he's able to build that, if this is not true about Alex, all things are up for grabs.
Like, that's good work.
So we have one last clip here from the 19th, and it's Alex swinging real hard for the fences, trying to argue that he didn't say it was Chris Maddy who sent him that stuff, even though he very, very heavily implied that it was.
alex jones
Methinks they protest too much.
I did not say Chris Maddy was who sent it to me, but then the media said it was him, and now he's bought into that narrative as the victim.
robert barnes
Correct, yes, and I think...
dan friesen
Great work, Barnes.
unidentified
Barnes is allowing Alex to push this.
dan friesen
And I think a big part of it is what we keep sort of dancing around a little bit and mentioning.
The idea that I think Alex realizes that if allowed to stand, the idea that I did what I did is so fucked up.
jordan holmes
So fucked up.
dan friesen
The consequences of that could be so severe.
And if someone had hurt Chris Meddy.
Like, let's assume someone, like, I don't know, throws a rock through his window.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Something along those lines.
jordan holmes
Wow, we've never seen any InfoWars fans get violent.
dan friesen
Never.
unidentified
Never.
dan friesen
But, like, assuming that something like that could have happened, the consequences Alex could have faced would have been so serious.
And let's not forget about the idea that the case about the Sandy Hook stuff is...
About people who harassed these families.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The idea that he would be doing that to the lawyer might prejudice a court about like, oh...
That seems to be what you do.
Yeah.
You're trying to defend yourself that you didn't send people to harass these families, but in defending yourself, you're sending people to harass the lawyer who's defending those families.
jordan holmes
See, that's what happens when you accuse me of sending people to harass people.
The only way I can prove to you that I didn't is by doing it this time.
dan friesen
I think he recognizes how fucked he is if things don't go right.
He's starting to prepare a little bit.
And it's interesting.
The preparations are sort of threefold.
One is publicly dipping his toe into the, I might be dead in a year.
I have to prepare to get off air.
I've told the staff to hit the cough button if I start freaking out.
Those sorts of things.
I have not heard those.
I mean, some of the fatalistic, I'm going to be dead soon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that was in a different...
dan friesen
When he's down, you hear that.
But the other stuff, I don't know if I've heard him say like...
I've had to tell people to save me from myself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, giving away any of his authority and saying so public seems bananas to me.
dan friesen
It seems very out of character.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's the first prong of it.
The second is intense ads and sales, like desperate sales, and the crowdfunding, and all of his reporters getting on crowdfunding stuff.
That's not good.
That seems pretty insane.
jordan holmes
Man, I halfway think that Barnes is trying to single white female him.
Like, he's just egging him on, just like, yeah, commit more crimes, commit more crimes, and he's going on the show every single day.
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
I have a theory.
It's really feeling like Barnes is just going to be like, hey, man, you got to take some time off, but do you know who best can defend you publicly?
I can.
And I'll be hosting the first three hours for the next week.
dan friesen
Alex does say he's getting ready to give Barnes a show.
unidentified
So you might be right.
dan friesen
He might be trying to take over the operation.
jordan holmes
I think Barnes is the most evil person in this entire fucking story.
dan friesen
He's sneakily trying to take over Infowars on behalf of his publication, Human Events.
jordan holmes
What a fucking monster.
dan friesen
Genius.
So that may be what's happening.
I don't know.
I find this very boring on one level, like his response.
I think there's some flare-ups that are kind of interesting.
But in terms of this, it's like, this is like a real calm before something really bad.
These trends do not go in a good direction.
The overtness of some of this white nationalism is jarring and unpleasant.
But then all the other just sort of lying and defending himself is par for the course.
I think the only thing that's different about it than any other times is, first of all, very rare for him to have a legitimate defense.
Like that Market Watch article, and then the possibly misleading Connecticut Post headline that isn't inaccurate.
Whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's rare for him to have, like, ah, decent point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's strange.
And then it's also rare to really see what appears to be fear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
dan friesen
Sincere fear.
jordan holmes
He really does, like, because he's not pulling the blustery, like, I'll fight this in court till I die.
This is the hill that I end on.
This is, like, genuinely, like, I made a huge mistake.
I had something.
I never have something.
I have nothing.
And I have turned nothing into a mountain of fucking gold.
And the one time I am handed a layup, I turn it into a fucking nail in the coffin in the opposite direction.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God, that is such a disappointment.
dan friesen
Yep.
You kind of feel it.
jordan holmes
He's going to be reliving that day for the rest of his life.
dan friesen
Yep.
Like that poker hand.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yep.
100%.
dan friesen
Well, we'll see what happens, but I am now getting out of the present, I think.
On Monday, we will be back in the past, because I am sick of this shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, hell yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, barring some other crazy thing happening.
jordan holmes
If Barnes kills him, then we're going to have to cover Barnes' Infowars show, and I'm not going to enjoy that.
dan friesen
No, I promise this to the audience.
We will not become a Robert Barnes podcast.
That is not the direction this is going to go.
I assure you of that.
So before we get out of here, Jordan, I think we should say thank you to some more donors.
jordan holmes
I absolutely agree with you.
dan friesen
All right.
Let's do this.
First, Jim.
You're now a policy wonk.
Thank you.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jim.
unidentified
Jimmy.
jordan holmes
Jimmy.
dan friesen
Next, Robert.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Robert.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bob.
dan friesen
Next, Seb.
Not Gorka.
Seb.
jordan holmes
Seb.
dan friesen
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Seb.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Seb.
dan friesen
Sebby.
jordan holmes
Man, that Robert could be Barnes donating to our podcast just in the hopes of he's diversifying.
He's donating to our podcast trying to take Alex in any way, take him down in any way he can.
dan friesen
I don't think it is, but if it is, we still appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Barnes.
dan friesen
Next, Susanna.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Susanna.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Susanna.
dan friesen
Next, let's switch things up.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Go with Nick.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brood.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Nick.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Nick.
dan friesen
Next, Jamie.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I feel like there's a Jamie on every season of The Real World.
jordan holmes
There's a Jamie on every...
I've never watched The Real World.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
100% never watched The Real World, never one episode.
I've watched a few, like, trailers, and that is it.
dan friesen
I don't understand, man.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
You're of the age where you should have.
You're only three years younger than me.
jordan holmes
I don't know what happened.
It just somehow missed me entirely.
dan friesen
Wow.
All right.
In that case, we've got to say thank you to Michael.
You are now a policy walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Mikey.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Michael.
I feel like there's a Michael on every season of Survivor.
dan friesen
You're not wrong.
I've seen a bunch of them.
Next, Charlie.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Charlie.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Charlie.
dan friesen
Great character on Lost.
You've only seen two episodes.
jordan holmes
I saw three.
We fell asleep through the fourth.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, Charlie is a good character.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He's not great at the beginning, I don't think, but he grows on you.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure he does.
dan friesen
Next, Taconius.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
There's always a Taconius.
jordan holmes
On every season of American New York.
dan friesen
Next, Aaron.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you, Aaron.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Aaron.
dan friesen
Next, we've got two fun names to close this out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Who are technocrats.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is very exciting.
First, someone who bumped up their donation a little bit.
We appreciate it very much.
This is Krill Oil Santa Claus.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We've got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you, Krill Oil Santa Claus.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Krill Oil Santa Claus.
dan friesen
And now, finally, we get to our last one.
And this is in reference to...
This is an attack on me.
Okay.
This name.
And I will accept...
I will say thank you, and I appreciate their support.
But I will not sign off on the sentiment that is being expressed by this name.
It is something that I stand against.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But thank you very much.
Banana milk is God sent.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you, banana milk is God sent.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
I refuse to speak thy name.
Get behind me.
dan friesen
I like...
Banana milk.
jordan holmes
Gross.
dan friesen
I like strawberry milk.
I like chocolate milk.
unidentified
Gross.
dan friesen
I like milk milk.
I like soy milk, even.
I like almond milk.
Let's see what else.
I like...
What's that?
Horchata.
I like horchata.
jordan holmes
Where else are we going to go?
dan friesen
I can't think of any more milks.
jordan holmes
I like salsa.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Love it.
dan friesen
Getting hungry.
Banana milk is atrocious.
But thank you anyway.
We appreciate it.
All right.
I don't know if that was annoying to listen to for the audience.
Sorry if it was.
But we appreciate everyone's support.
We have a website.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking about how...
That this whole, like, drops thanking everybody on our Patreon.
These are all things that we did, mainly because we thought no one would ever listen to us.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
And now it is...
dan friesen
We've backed ourselves into a corner.
jordan holmes
Yep, we can't take it away from anyone.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
We've already made an implicit promise.
dan friesen
We appreciate everyone, and, uh...
It's a lot of drops.
jordan holmes
And I swear to God we will get to all of you.
And if you would like to get your own policy walk drop, go to our website.
dan friesen
We already said that at the beginning.
jordan holmes
Knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
That is our website.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
And I'm at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We are not on Telegram.
jordan holmes
We are not on Telegram.
dan friesen
We're also not on...
jordan holmes
What was it?
Subscribestar?
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
I completely forgot.
dan friesen
Well, my brain was thinking spreadsheet.
It wasn't good.
But we are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
We can also download our podcast on iTunes.
dan friesen
Not on BitChute.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
Not on BitChute.
dan friesen
All those fun places.
jordan holmes
Not going to get them on Gab?
dan friesen
Certainly not.
unidentified
So...
Who do we got today?
dan friesen
I mean, a lot of barns going on.
jordan holmes
God, a lot of barns.
dan friesen
Did we say Chris Matty on Friday?
jordan holmes
I think we did.
dan friesen
Yeah, we might have.
jordan holmes
Or did we say Norm?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, it was Norm.
jordan holmes
Chris Matty is cool.
Chris Matty is cool as shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, Chris Matty hasn't killed anybody.
But one guy who technically probably has is that guy, Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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