Today, Dan and Jordan take a little look at a very uninspired string of episodes of the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex gets condescending about the Super Bowl, has a caller accuse him of being controlled opposition, and throws an impromptu rally to yell at Piers Morgan, who is in Texas doing some filming.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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Jordan. | |
| Who has won 12 French Open titles? | ||
| Okay, I know nothing about the sport. | ||
| Today, who has won his 12th? | ||
| French Open title, Dan. | ||
| I know nothing about anything you're talking about, but I know that it's Rafa since you're talking about it. | ||
| For everyone out there who doesn't know, Jordan is an insane fan of tennis, and specifically Rafa. | ||
| And I'm happy for you, man. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| It was a great morning. | ||
| It was a good day for fandom. | ||
| Yeah, it was fantastic. | ||
| It was a tight matchup, tight, and then Rafa just murdered him 6-1, 6-1 in the final two sets. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| He's got a perfect forehand. | ||
| He's going to loop it around. | ||
| So glad you asked me this question. | ||
| Look, you always get your spot. | ||
| That's fair enough. | ||
| I don't know anything about tennis, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I have the reverse situation. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Today, Jordan, we've got an interesting episode. | ||
| We're going back to the past, to 2013, to check in about Alex's path. | ||
| In his coverage of stuff after Sandy Hook, we are currently, today, covering February 3rd through 5th. | ||
| A very interesting stretch of time where nothing groundbreaking happens. | ||
| So an interesting, uninteresting stretch of time. | ||
| No, I find it very interesting, but just not for any big-picture reasons. | ||
| Maybe outside of this podcast, what happens is not interesting at all, but for our interests, very interesting. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| And very excited, but before we get to it, I'd like to take a little time to say thank you to the people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
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| Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
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| I feel like that's extortion. | ||
| I feel like that's extortion. | ||
| You gave us money in order to elicit some terrible reaction. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, probably. | ||
| But... | ||
| Thank you very much, anyways. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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| We would appreciate it. | ||
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| So, Jordan, I don't know if you know this, but February 3rd, 2013, was a special day. | ||
| It was a Sunday. | ||
| It was Super Bowl Sunday. | ||
| Oh, it was Super Bowl Sunday. | ||
| So we've got some bitching to do about stuff that has nothing to do with the real world. | ||
| The sublimation of masculinity into primitive war ritual. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| There's a lot of bullshit on that day about how, like, I'm not into football! | ||
| I'm in the arena of the real world. | ||
| Great, Alex. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Does he just do the same episode every Super Bowl Sunday? | ||
| I feel like I've heard him say that he's not into football. | ||
| Every single time we've covered one of those. | ||
| As somebody who's heard a number of them, there are differences. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But it's very close. | ||
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Okay. | |
| They're very similar shows. | ||
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That's what I thought. | |
| That are just like, he uses the Super Bowl existing as a reason to just punch football. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And imply that he's more of a man than sports fans. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is cool. | ||
| It's a great use of time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He seems a little bit upset about the commercials, and he seems upset about Sandy Hook choir performing at the halftime show, but he's not really that upset about it outside of being like, they just want to turn everyone against guns. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's not really that offensive. | ||
| It's not really that crazy. | ||
| That's because they're props to him, so why would he continue attacking them from that point of view? | ||
| Because he stopped caring about them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the show itself is not really all that interesting, but he does take calls in the second hour, and he gets a call that is very important stuff. | ||
| This caller is nice to Alex and then flips it on him. | ||
| It drops a reference that Alex knows what it means, and anybody who studies Alex knows what it means, but might confuse the uninitiated. | ||
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I have a question for you, Alex. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Who's Mallory Mahoney? | ||
| Mallory Mahoney is one of our graphics people that works here at the office. | ||
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Wasn't she formerly with Stratford? | |
| Yeah, you guys are mentally ill, and I appreciate your call. | ||
| You know, whenever we hired six graphics people for the magazine and for working in here, and the University of Texas is here in Austin, Stratford is like a private intelligence gathering firm that, in my opinion, puts out propaganda as like a feedback loop to, like, agree with the Pentagon so they can say, look, this private group said it, and somebody worked there for a month and a half as an unpaid intern and helped write a paper on China. | ||
| And, I mean, what am I going to do if somebody was ever in the military or somebody ever... | ||
| I mean, you know how many people... | ||
| You know about a third of the UT journalism people that we bring in here for interviews? | ||
| Because we hired a couple from UT. | ||
| Actually, three of them are from UT. | ||
| Did you know about half of them or more had an internship there? | ||
| There's not many places to get a media internship. | ||
| The Austin American Statesman, the Austin Chronicle, this is for print, the Houston... | ||
| Well, the Texas Observer or whatever it's called, that's small. | ||
| And then Stratford because it's mainly writing thousands of things a day. | ||
| That is mental illness. | ||
| So this caller is laying a criticism on Alex that is around and circling the idea that Alex is controlled opposition. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is what this is big about. | ||
| So Mallory Mahoney has become a code word in these conspiracy worlds, these conspiracy circles. | ||
| When someone uses her name, what they're trying to signal is they believe that Alex has controlled opposition, which is proven by the fact that he employed a woman named Molly Maroney, whose name this guy is getting wrong, who had previously worked as an intern at Stratford. | ||
| After Alex didn't pay him enough to write some of his books or to sell some of the books that he was putting on his website, Mark Dice turned on Alex Jones and started making videos was full of shit. | ||
| During that period, he would often bring up Molly as evidence that Alex was controlled opposition. | ||
| Those videos mysteriously all disappeared when Mark and Alex made up and Mark changed his tune real fast. | ||
| Surprise! | ||
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Some might say that that's an example of Alex paying off Mark to shut him up, but an equally likely possibility is that Mark was mad that Alex stiffed him, so he started making shit up, and then once Alex paid him, he got back to Yeah, that's an easy way to retain friendship whenever your friendship is based on a transaction anyways. | |
| Either way, as a non-insane human, I definitely respect Alex's response to that caller. | ||
| He's clearly a bit frustrated by these accusations, but he doesn't seem like he's responding with the kind of blind rage he usually uses to deflect from valid criticisms. | ||
| His explanation for why someone who used to be an intern at Stratford might end up working at Infowars makes total sense. | ||
| So in order for someone to make this look suspicious, I'm going to need something a little bit more damning in order for this like, oh, she was at Stratford, she now works at Infowars, it's a clear, it's proof! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I need more. | ||
| And before I get into any of this, let me be clear. | ||
| None of this should be interpreted as me saying that Stratfor is not a shady and suspicious entity. | ||
| That's a matter that other outlets can probably cover way more competently than I can. | ||
| I am only concerned with checking in on the arguments that people make that try and connect Alex to Stratfor. | ||
| That is my only interest. | ||
| A lot of the belief that Alex Jones is an agent of Stratfor traces back to a February 12, 2012 article written by a guy named David Chase Taylor on his website, truther.org. | ||
| Before addressing his specific points, it's worth noting that a related article link on this article is, quote, 10 reasons why Alex Jones is the biological son or grandson of one Adolf Hitler. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So we know we're dealing with some well-resourced, calm-headed shit. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think there's anything I would believe less than something that came from truther.org. | ||
| Like, if you just name your website... | ||
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Truth. | |
| Yes, you know, that's why I don't trust you. | ||
| Also, before we accidentally take too much of what this guy says seriously, it's important to know what he's up to in the more recent days. | ||
| In 2017, he put out a press release saying, quote, After months of deliberation and with great trepidation, I begrudgingly announce that I am the so-called messiah. | ||
| Took a turn, didn't it? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I appreciate that he is willing to admit that it is a begrudging responsibility. | ||
| It's so called. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You don't want to be the Messiah, Dan. | ||
| I believe that wholeheartedly. | ||
| The king should not want to be king. | ||
| Yeah, and it's just so much work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do not reveal this for fame or gain, but rather out of self-preservation, for it's far less likely that the Geneva-based CIA will assassinate me prior to the end of the Maya calendar. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Once I announce that I am the Messiah. | ||
| The last thing the CIA wants to do is martyr the whistleblower journalist who exposed CIA headquarters beneath Lake Geneva right after he declares he is the so-called chosen one. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's like mailing something to yourself because you can't afford the copyright. | ||
| Is that what we're doing? | ||
| It's a little nutty. | ||
| So here he goes on to say, quote, Although Jesus Christ allegedly existed 2,000 plus years ago, he holds the title of Messiah and has been deemed the Savior of mankind. | ||
| The reality is that mankind didn't need a Savior back then like they do now. | ||
| Therefore, the story of Jesus depicted in the Holy Bible is the story of the future Messiah, which has now been identified as David Chase Taylor. | ||
| Aside from all the physical traits and similarities, the trials and tribulations suffered by Jesus are reflected in the life of David Chase Taylor. | ||
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Hold on, hold on. | |
| He looks like Jesus? | ||
| According to him, yeah. | ||
| I can't vouch for that. | ||
| That is to say, the persecution allegedly suffered by Jesus has been inflicted upon Taylor tenfold, who has been subjected to unspeakable tortures and persecution over the last seven years of his quest to save humanity from extinction. | ||
| I have ten times as many holes in my hand. | ||
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Yeah, that's a cool dude. | |
| A real good source of information. | ||
| Guys, winners. | ||
| I'm liking him. | ||
| I'm liking him. | ||
| How's he doing? | ||
| Like, where is he in 2019? | ||
| Because we still need a Messiah, buddy. | ||
| From what I can tell from his website, he's mostly posting open letters to journalists every few days that are basically on his website. | ||
| In case I get killed in the next few days, here's who did it. | ||
| Just over and over and over again. | ||
| And he never gets killed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a purity of that that I just can't get. | ||
| It's so pure. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's an insanely high-level paranoia. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But you're right. | ||
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Pure. | |
| Pure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when we talk about the accusations that Alex works for Stratford, consider that the source of those conspiracies trace back to an article written by that dude. | ||
| I went through the original article, and here are the basic claims that he makes. | ||
| Alex is in Austin, and Stratford is headquartered in Austin, so there's a geographic connection. | ||
| Done. | ||
| You've already solved that conundrum. | ||
| I believe him wholeheartedly. | ||
| Well, I mean, Boeing has run out of Chicago, so are we connected to them? | ||
| Oh, shit, we are. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Allstate and State Farm are both based here, but I don't have private insurance. | ||
| Let alone does our show have any connection to the insurance industry? | ||
| Geography is nothing. | ||
| That means zero. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The second piece of information that connects them. | ||
| Stratford was founded in 1996, and according to Taylor, Alex's career began in 1996. | ||
| While it is true that Alex began his run on KJFK in 1996, his public access show predates that. | ||
| Also, Infowars itself wouldn't actually be founded until 1999, so I don't really think there's even a chronological connection here. | ||
| He's just throwing spaghetti. | ||
| Yeah, I like to entertain it for humor, but this is just nothing. | ||
| Gratford and Infowars use intelligence employees to create analysis that they disseminate. | ||
| That's barely worthwhile as a connection. | ||
| That's too big. | ||
| They both use pizza ovens to make pizza at Papa John's and at Denny's. | ||
| Connected. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Connected. | ||
| The fourth, Alex Jones is supposedly a conspiracy theorist and outsider, yet he's friends with celebrities like Jesse Ventura and Joe Rogan. | ||
| Is celebrity... | ||
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Who cares? | |
| That's not suspicious! | ||
| And then the fifth one, both Alex Jones and Stratford released Intelligence Predicting 9-11. | ||
| But so did a whole lot of people. | ||
| So did Bill Cooper. | ||
| That doesn't mean anything. | ||
| This is just selectively using a couple pieces of information to create a false connection that you want to appear in the world. | ||
| And so David Chase Taylor took all this information and made his argument that Alex is working for Stratford and is a shill. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think he probably was up until about 2012. | ||
| And then they just let him go. | ||
| That's what makes the most sense to me. | ||
| You think that David Chase Taylor was right? | ||
| Yeah, based on this information. | ||
| Man, there's one other piece of his argument, though, and that is that David Taylor says that Stratford is a Zionist Mossad front. | ||
| And Alex is married to a Jewish woman, so you do the math. | ||
| That's a big part of the... | ||
| Okay, I was wondering if it was going to come in. | ||
| That is what's really behind all of these people. | ||
| So the people who push the Alex Jones works for Stratford narrative that's based on the incredibly inconclusive blog post by David Chase Taylor, they aren't doing so because they're worried about Alex secretly working for the feds. | ||
| It's all about the idea of Alex working for Stratford as an explanation for why he won't come out. | ||
| And they're all super weak. | ||
| And they all come back to people who are mad that Alex won't publicly say that the real enemy is the Jews. | ||
| One thing that I've always considered and kept in the back of my mind is how valuable having enemies like that is. | ||
| For someone like Alex, who's vulnerable to accusations of anti-Semitism based on his anti-Semitic worldview, it's almost a get-out-of-jail-free card to have a loud group of people who are way more anti-Semitic than you attacking you for not being anti-Semitic enough. | ||
| It's a really valuable thing. | ||
| It turns out that Semitism and anti-Semitism are a spectrum, and that's what makes it so difficult. | ||
| Also, if Molly Maroney was some kind of deeply embedded intelligence agent working for InfoWars under the cover of being a graphic designer and editorial staff member for InfoWars, it makes no sense that they would credit her under her real name. | ||
| Why would they credit her at all for being a graphic designer on the InfoWars magazine? | ||
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I mean... | |
| What's the fucking... | ||
| Look, hey... | ||
| Just because you're a secret operative doesn't mean you don't want to see your name in the credits. | ||
| You do the work, you get the credit. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| The government always gives those secret operatives credit. | ||
| I think the fact that she's listed in the credits is almost an indication that this is not suspicious at all. | ||
| Something that makes me even less suspicious is that Molly seems to have gone on to have a career in visual arts as opposed to in propaganda. | ||
| In 2013, after she ended her very short time at InfoWars, Molly started an art collective called... | ||
| Bradix, SPR, ATX, Austin, Texas. | ||
| And they do this really cool thing called Free Art Friday. | ||
| I'm not sure if they still do, but they did this thing where artists would hide pieces of art they'd created around the city for people to find and take home. | ||
| They'd post clues on Instagram as to where the pieces were hidden, so everybody got to play a big city-wide game of hide-and-seek. | ||
| That is the most fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I probably don't have the energy to partake in something like that, but I am also not so jaded that I think it's not cool. | ||
| Yeah, no, especially if you... | ||
| Come on. | ||
| A former InfoWars employee goes out and goes... | ||
| Fuck that entire world. | ||
| We're gonna play hide-and-seek with art. | ||
| That's beauty. | ||
| Because she's just an artist. | ||
| Yeah, she's just an artist. | ||
| Since then, Sprotix has grown into a full-fledged artist-oriented agency. | ||
| I was waiting for you to say cult. | ||
| No. | ||
| They connect people who need art services with providers and have all sorts of other art-related business wings. | ||
| I've never met her, but from everything I can tell, Molly Maroney seems really cool. | ||
| In fact, the only negative thing I can really find about her is that she worked at InfoWars, which totally is understandable, given... | ||
| Coming out of college. | ||
| No, Alex's explanation for why somebody would take that position at Infowars makes perfect sense. | ||
| No, his explanation for why someone would have an internship at Stratford. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| But it still works as to why she worked at Infowars. | ||
| And understandably, she leaves Infowars off her resume nowadays. | ||
| Surprise! | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I think this is a load of bullshit, but it's a big, important piece of the anti-Alex Jones world. | ||
| A lot of the people who are critical of him, to the level that you and I are, a lot of them get really sidetracked into that. | ||
| That sort of Molly Maroney world. | ||
| He works for Stratford. | ||
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Boo. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Lame. | ||
| Get a better conspiracy theory. | ||
| So in this next clip from the third, Alex says something that seems to imply that he does believe that there were actors at Sandy Hook, which is not good. | ||
| But it's clear that that's at least in the background and kind of what he believes. | ||
| See, what's happened is the public has lost faith in the mainstream media and the government, which overall is a healthy thing. | ||
| The founding father stated that. | ||
| History shows that. | ||
| But they had judgment. | ||
| It doesn't mean that then everything is fake. | ||
| It doesn't mean that I'm Bill Hicks or that I'm really an actor and the professor in Florida who says that Sandy Hook may have been staged with crisis actors, which they really have, that I'm him. | ||
| I mean, mental illness. | ||
| Mental illness. | ||
| I think that what he's saying is that crisis actors do exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's so muddy, what he's expressing, that it could easily be interpreted as him saying that this professor from Florida says that there were crisis actors at Sandy Hook, and there were. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a reasonable mishearing of that, I think. | ||
| Yeah, I... | ||
| I think I agree with you. | ||
| His meaning was, and that has happened. | ||
| There have been crisis actors. | ||
| He is not necessarily confirming Sandy Hook in specific. | ||
| But it's close. | ||
| It is real close. | ||
| So that's about it for the third. | ||
| There's really not a whole lot going on. | ||
| It's a pretty boring show because I think Alex wants to go watch the Super Bowl. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I think he's... | ||
| I got him at a minus three. | ||
| Yeah, I think he's probably concerned about his bets, and so he doesn't put in the best show ever. | ||
| So we get to the 4th, get into Monday, and Alex has a big fucking bone to pick with the President of the United States. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Barack Obama. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He has put out a picture of himself skeet shooting. | ||
| At Camp David. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| How dare? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| How dare this man be pictured with a gun? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Well, you've got to get him coming, you've got to get him going. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| There's nothing you can do that's right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know shotguns. | ||
| And I have photographed and videotaped, even as a novice before I had a TV show. | ||
| Firing shotguns and firing rifles and firing handguns over and over again. | ||
| And I can tell you right now, that looks like a fake photo to me. | ||
| And I actually noticed that, first there's a controversy that, oh, he doesn't really skeet shooter-like guns. | ||
| Which they kind of stirred up. | ||
| And then the White House over the weekend, and I'm going to cover this, I have it here on the stack once we get over some of the top news. | ||
| The White House comes out and says, don't you claim this isn't real? | ||
| And then another little comment, they say, by the way, this is copyright. | ||
| No one is allowed to Photoshop this. | ||
| This is only for media. | ||
| So, first things first, there is nothing suspicious about the White House saying that people can't Photoshop or use the image without permission. | ||
| That's a boilerplate disclaimer that's literally applied to every picture on the White House that they release. | ||
| No one ever enforces it. | ||
| But it's a universal thing that Alex is making a big deal out of because the Daily Caller, a conservative trash rag run by Tucker Carlson, made a big deal out of that. | ||
| The idea that you can't Photoshop it. | ||
| They pretended that it was a suspicious detail, only relevant to this image, which isn't true. | ||
| The Daily Caller article was then boosted by Drudge, which Alex picks up. | ||
| And now we've got a conspiracy that Alex says you can't Photoshop a picture of him with a gun. | ||
| Dan, I will tell you this right now. | ||
| The Cubs won last night, but I can't tell you anything further without the express written consent of Major League Baseball. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's only that game. | ||
| And it's only that game. | ||
| Because something happened that game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's just a completely manufactured pile of bullshit. | ||
| So, I'll tell you this too. | ||
| The fourth, not much going on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not a very exciting, vibrant show. | ||
| But one thing important does happen. | ||
| And it's not that Lord Monkton shows up. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Though he does. | ||
| Okay, of course he does. | ||
| That is not what's important. | ||
| What's important is that Alex gets a call that tips him off that certain somebody is coming to Texas and Alex is not happy about this. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, there is no rest for people that want to fight tyranny. | ||
| I can't help it. | ||
| Piers Morgan is coming to Texas. | ||
| He's going to Katy, Texas. | ||
| That's west of Houston. | ||
| It'll take me about two hours to go there. | ||
| Red alert! | ||
| When this radio show ends. | ||
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Red alert! | |
| You know, I've got a chiropractor appointment. | ||
| My shoulder... | ||
| I've got to reschedule that. | ||
| Anyways, I've never even been to a chiropractor, but my shoulder's real tight, and I've been trying to lift weights again. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Yeah, I'm going. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I'm going to Katy, Texas, because he's coming into our territory. | ||
| So Alex has heard that Piers Morgan is going to a gun shop in Katy, Texas, and he is gonna fucking stop. | ||
| Finish the show and run to Katie. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| This is the thriller in Manila. | ||
| This is what's going on. | ||
| This is the third matchup between the two of them. | ||
| That's what Alex thinks this is. | ||
| It's the rubber match, man. | ||
| God. | ||
| Yeah, it's very exciting. | ||
| So Alex kind of, as the show is coming to an end, as he's getting towards the end of the show, he's struggling with this idea because he's like, it's a long trip to Katie, Texas. | ||
| It's almost by Houston. | ||
| Like, I gotta... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is Piers Morgan actually even going to come? | ||
| He's really, he's like, I'm going to do this. | ||
| He's amping himself up. | ||
| But at the same time, he has doubts. | ||
| And then those doubts go away. | ||
| I mean, this is an anti-gun gun shop that is groveling up to Piers Morgan, it looks like. | ||
| And they're located on 1200 S. Mason Road in Katy, Texas. | ||
| Our store and range hours are Monday. | ||
| Through Friday, 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. | ||
| But they said February 4th, 2013, 6 p.m., that they're going to be closing early for a special event. | ||
| How cowardly! | ||
| I'll guarantee you, when they hear I'm coming, they're going to have police out there. | ||
| They're going to be freaking out in fear. | ||
| And all I'm doing, by the way, I've got all his producer's phone numbers. | ||
| I need it all. | ||
| And by the way, I've got to get on the horn. | ||
| I want to get some of the retired cops I know that every once in a while do bodyguard work. | ||
| I've got to get one of them to go with me. | ||
| Just because no telling what the other side will try. | ||
| Anyways, the whole point is this is just amazing, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Absolutely amazing that all of this is happening, all of this is unfolding right now. | ||
| I mean, this just makes my head spin. | ||
| I'm going! | ||
| In fact, when this show ends, I'm saddling up. | ||
| I'm going to Katy, Texas, and I want to see you there. | ||
| So Alex is trying to get his audience to come, too. | ||
| He's trying to turn this into a big meet-up. | ||
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A mess. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is exciting to me. | ||
| My favorite part is anytime he has a surprise like, oh, I've got to go here, he always tells us what he was going to be doing. | ||
| Chiropractor. | ||
| I've never been to the chiropractor. | ||
| I've got to go to the chiropractor. | ||
| I've never been to the chiropractor. | ||
| I've got a bum shoulder going on. | ||
| Anyways, here's Morgan. | ||
| I hear it's great to go to a chiropractor. | ||
| I digress. | ||
| So this is like, I was listening to these episodes and I'm like, there is... | ||
| Very little to talk about here. | ||
| Very little that interests me. | ||
| Like, he's spinning this whole bullshit about the Super Bowl, because there's the power outage during the Super Bowl. | ||
| Yeah, it was that one. | ||
| He's going on about how, like, it was 33 minutes long, the outage, because it was the Illuminati signaling that the globalists want you to get used to power going out. | ||
| I'm just sitting there like, oh my god, this is so bad. | ||
| I'm just listening to it like, I don't, I can't, I cannot. | ||
| Interest myself in researching that. | ||
| I just cannot. | ||
| You don't want to research why 33 minutes is the exact amount that the globalists would require? | ||
| Because the Masons love that number. | ||
| Right. | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
| You already did research it. | ||
| I think it's implied. | ||
| It's implied, sure. | ||
| I mean, I did look into the power outage and like, what caused it? | ||
| No, it fucking wasn't the Illuminati. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, I was so desperate for something. | ||
| I needed a taste. | ||
| And Piers Morgan coming to fucking Texas is exactly what I needed. | ||
| The idea that Alex is like, he hears that Piers Morgan's coming, and he's like, oh my god, the last time I fucked with that dude, I got so many. | ||
| Huge ratings. | ||
| I was so popular. | ||
| King shit, yeah. | ||
| I talked about it for weeks. | ||
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Ever. | |
| I sold so many pills. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| I gotta do it again. | ||
| I have to. | ||
| So, here is Alex Jones confronting Piers Morgan. | ||
| He shot video of this. | ||
| He shot video of this? | ||
| There's a video you can find. | ||
| This actually happened? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Now, pay very close attention to how sad Alex sounds in his quote-unquote confrontation. | ||
| Good to see you, man. | ||
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Good to see you. | |
| You good? | ||
| Yeah, I hope you have me back on. | ||
|
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I hear you're a big customer here. | |
| Oh, no, but some of my listeners already said it's the best around here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're good and enjoying global fame. | ||
| Oh, well, I already had quite a few listeners, but no, it certainly went viral. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| That's why we should do another interview. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
|
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And... | |
| My ears haven't recovered yet. | ||
| Me what? | ||
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My ears haven't recovered. | |
| Well... | ||
| It was good that I had a fever and was actually sick. | ||
| That's why I was sweating. | ||
| I mean, I almost didn't come because of that, but I said I'd do it. | ||
| That's kind of why I got... | ||
| I didn't blow up on purpose. | ||
| But I thought it turned out it's good for people to think about the debate. | ||
| So, in 30 seconds, Alex multiple times asks to be back on his show. | ||
| And not in a you're afraid of me kind of way. | ||
| No. | ||
| In a grovelly kind of way. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But I mean, like, oh, it went viral. | ||
| Like, a lot of people, you know, like, you should have me back on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is not the Alex that he likes to present himself as. | ||
| That is an Alex. | ||
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That is. | |
| Where he's like, if I can pull this off. | ||
| I will get back on CNN. | ||
| My reach will expand even further. | ||
| That is literally like a first-time screenwriter walking up to Spielberg and being like, hey, if you want to take a look at this, it's no big deal. | ||
| I wrote it. | ||
| I think it's pretty good. | ||
| I'm looking for notes. | ||
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Yeah, you just send it back to me, whatever you need. | |
| So in this next clip, Alex goes even further and asks again to be back on the show. | ||
| Are you going to have me back on? | ||
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I don't want to promote you that much, Alex. | |
| I know, exactly. | ||
| But I thought you won the debate, though. | ||
| You were saying it was the best interview ever. | ||
| You said on your Twitter you wanted to shake my hand and have a civilized conversation. | ||
| Have you? | ||
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All right. | |
| Good to see you again. | ||
| You just had a civilized conversation. | ||
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I've had very civilized conversations in Texas since I've been here. | |
| All right, well, good. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| We just had a friendly talk right there. | ||
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Good to see you again. | |
| All right. | ||
| Good seeing you. | ||
| Good luck with the show. | ||
| Good to see you, guys. | ||
| Then he gets kicked out. | ||
| That was lame. | ||
| Then Alex gets kicked out by the CNN producers who are like, you can't be, we're filming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is like, I talked to the owner, where is he? | ||
| He's like, he's right there. | ||
| You have to go. | ||
| And so Alex gets kicked out. | ||
| Poor Alex. | ||
| There's a clip of him talking to one of the producers, and it's presented sort of stealth footage. | ||
| And again, it's her being super polite to him. | ||
| Him being like, I should come back on. | ||
| And they're like, oh yeah, great. | ||
| Now, that was very sycophantic, very weaselly. | ||
| I was pathetic. | ||
| You hate to see a guy brought that low. | ||
| It's really not how I wanted to see Alex. | ||
| How you would like to see him and how he would like you to see him is how he sounds once he gets outside and he has his rally in front of him and all of his fans. | ||
| He sounds very different. | ||
| We're here saying we don't agree with what you're doing coming to Texas to, quite frankly, piss on us, all right? | ||
| That's what's going on here. | ||
| And listen, Piers Morgan, Obama's out there with a shotgun shooting it right now. | ||
| Oh, I don't want your guns, and you're here shooting guns. | ||
| You know you've lost this round. | ||
| So now you want to play possum and go back to the old thing of Obama saying, I'm not going to take anybody's guns, I promise. | ||
| And Biden, that's what you're doing. | ||
| That's what you're doing, okay? | ||
| And then implying that, oh, we're not going to have you back on right now because we don't want to give you too much attention. | ||
| That's because I kicked your butt. | ||
| Your show got attention from me. | ||
| You have a half million viewers. | ||
| I have three million a day. | ||
| CNN's crumbling. | ||
| It's all over the news. | ||
| Mainstream media's a joke! | ||
| You're here because you're a redcoat in our country saying take our rights opportunistically that brags you stand on the graves of children. | ||
| You're the worst gun control salesman ever. | ||
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So we're exploiting your redcoat treason to the whole world. | |
| We're showing everybody what a globalist collaborator scum you are. | ||
| So that's how he wants to present himself, as opposed to the guy who goes into the green room and is like, hey man, can I come back on your show? | ||
| No, Alex. | ||
| If you wanted to make the claim of, like, in court, if they want to do, like, hey, this is all an act, this is all bullshit, play those two clips back to back and everybody will be like, oh yeah, it is an act, it is all bullshit, fine. | ||
| And you know what's wild to me? | ||
| Is that Alex put out the video where he's talking to Piers Morgan. | ||
| He put that out? | ||
| Yeah, I didn't have to hunt that down. | ||
| I thought that was somebody from CNN who was just like, look at how fake and bullshit this guy is. | ||
| Alex put that out. | ||
| He put that out? | ||
| What a fucking moron! | ||
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| I can't imagine what would possess a person to do that. | ||
| Like, just present themselves as so two-faced. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But whatever. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So Alex has his rally. | ||
| He's yelling into a bullhorn. | ||
| And there's tons. | ||
| Tyranny Crusher 1 through 6? | ||
| Tyranny Crusher something. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And there's tons of video of him getting interviewed by the local news stations. | ||
| And it's like he got exactly what he wanted out of this. | ||
| He went down there to cause a scene, get a few of his listeners out in order to create the appearance that there's something actually going on. | ||
| That'll attract the local media. | ||
| He gets some sort of footage of him with Piers Morgan, even if it is fucking embarrassing to him. | ||
| And then it doesn't matter because who he really is is who he is outside with his fans behind him where he's doing a wrestling. | ||
| That's who you are. | ||
| You are the guy begging to get on CNN. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| See, now I feel like that's a good idea. | ||
| And when we were in Austin, we should have gotten a few listeners and held a rally outside of his studio, tried to get the local media on there. | ||
| I don't think the media would be interested. | ||
| I think they would love it. | ||
| I think that would be it. | ||
| Two weirdos screaming about Alex Jones. | ||
| I think the local media... | ||
| I think that would be a zero for the press. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But the 99 theses on his door. | ||
| And we get shot by the snipers he claims he has on the roof. | ||
| So he goes out and he does that. | ||
| And he has a good time. | ||
| Obviously has a great time. | ||
| Then he comes back on the 5th. | ||
| And I have a strong suspicion that he might have partied the night after going to yell at Piers Morgan. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
| All right, folks, get ready. | ||
| I'm running on about three hours sleep, and so that should provide us with an interesting show. | ||
| I've noticed some of my best broadcasts when I'm exhausted. | ||
| This does not end up living. | ||
| This isn't one of those? | ||
| No, the prediction does not come true. | ||
| Usually they're really great because I do a lot of crank before the show, but I forgot this morning, so this one's probably not going to be that great. | ||
| Whatever the case, whatever the reason, he's on no sleep, he is on no sleep. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And it's not, it just, I don't know. | |
| I think he made some unforced errors on this show, and if that's a product of not sleeping, then... | ||
| Then that's good. | ||
| But it's not as crazy as you kind of want it to be. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He just starts off the show expressing support for violent militias. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And vigilantism against immigrants. | ||
| Yeah, but why wouldn't you? | ||
| America next vigilante militias patrol Mexico. | ||
| And in the areas where they're doing it, it's the only areas that are safe. | ||
| Yeah, when the government's corrupt, people take the law into their own hands. | ||
| You cannot support that, Alex. | ||
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Alex, that is not good. | |
| You don't want to be in the business of determining what is and what is not sincere vigilanteism. | ||
| All right, all right, Alex. | ||
| So the cops are killing unarmed black people. | ||
| Government's corrupt. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I assume that you want them to take justice in their own hands when those cops are, you know. | ||
| You present an interesting case study, Alex Mum, on that. | ||
| Surprised? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think that's an insanely dangerous precedent to set. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because if you're supporting vigilante groups, then you don't have a lot of firm ground to stand on. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about going to yell at Piers Morgan, and he has his standard excuse for why the footage isn't better. | ||
| This happens every single time he goes and does anything. | ||
| It was just amazing how CNN was behaving behind the scenes. | ||
| And then as soon as we turned our cameras off, they ran up and said, are you ready to come back with Piers? | ||
| You'll be nice. | ||
| Do it by satellite. | ||
| Are you ready? | ||
| That's just so funny. | ||
| So... | ||
| That almost turned into a cry. | ||
| That almost turned into a cry. | ||
| That was a laugh cry. | ||
| It felt a little sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's always off-camera, man. | ||
| It's always just didn't get it on camera, but, you know, it's lame. | ||
| But also, that's such a fun feature that dovetails with everything else, because if you're a conspiracy theorist, of course you couldn't get the good stuff on camera. | ||
| They're too smart for that. | ||
| Like, being lazy plays into the good conspiracy theorist, as opposed to actually putting effort into making something work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's perfect. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's real good stuff. | ||
| It's a good hustle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about his, like, he doesn't really want to go back on Piers Morgan's show. | ||
| Now, granted, there's a video of him asking three times in a minute to come back on his show. | ||
| Yes, a lot. | ||
| But Alex is like, nah, he needs me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some people ask me, why are you talking about Piers Morgan? | ||
| If he has a half million viewers, on average, when I went on it was a million, then 800,000 for the next week. | ||
| And we have the CNN head producer saying, oh, we want to get you back on soon. | ||
| It's just Piers really doesn't. | ||
| We've never had ratings like this. | ||
| Yeah, never had ratings in his two years on CNN until I went on there. | ||
| And now he doesn't have them anymore. | ||
| He's trying to get them back with Ted Nugent and people. | ||
| It isn't going to happen. | ||
| People are sick of it. | ||
| They want... | ||
| Folks to get in the face of the gun grabbers. | ||
| It's just sad. | ||
| I just hear sad. | ||
| Ted Nugent's crazy. | ||
| He's going on. | ||
| Why can't I get back on? | ||
| I need another hit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I do believe him when he says that even Ted Nugent is going back on and people are sick of it. | ||
| That was a very direct quote. | ||
| I enjoyed that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That checks out. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, at this point in the show, on the 5th, Alex interviews the guy who owns the gun store where Piers Morgan went to. | ||
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How is he still making hay out of this shit? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| This is insane! | ||
| This guy has some complaints about Piers Morgan. | ||
| He says that Piers edited the interview to make him look stupid. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| I don't know how much that is true. | ||
| I don't particularly care. | ||
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Nope. | |
| But Alex has some slightly pettier complaints about Piers Morgan. | ||
| You know, one reason I blew up at Morgan, too, is that I'm in there about 10 minutes before we go live, sitting there with him. | ||
| He's looking at me, looking at me real coldly. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, look, he's not wearing a jacket. | ||
| Move him out front. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Look at the belly. | ||
| And I hear him. | ||
| And so they move us out. | ||
| Okay, Alex with his tucked in shirt has a little bit of a pot belly. | ||
| You're paranoid. | ||
| And I mean, literally, I hear them whispering how to make me look bad. | ||
| And it's just like you're a bunch of cockroaches. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| I heard these producers to make me look fat. | ||
| It is fun when you can blame any moment of insecurity you have on actually real things making you feel insecure. | ||
| Like, he can't just wrestle with the idea that this insecurity is self-generated from him. | ||
| It has to be some... | ||
| Even that has to be a cabal of people. | ||
| Forcing him to feel embarrassed. | ||
| It has to be a sneaky plan of people trying to highlight his belly. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Do a crunch. | ||
| I wore the wrong shirt and it didn't look good on camera. | ||
| Just say you didn't wear the right. | ||
| So ridiculous. | ||
| So, I wouldn't care about Alex interviewing this gun store owner. | ||
| It's not particularly interesting to me. | ||
| There are too many dead horses about that are getting beaten. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The only reason that I actually even think that it's very worth our time is that I think that this next clip is one of the few times I have ever heard Alex give an actual apology. | ||
| I have almost never, even when he's had to give formal apologies to, like, James Alphantis and Hamdi Ulukaya, I still think that this is one of the only real sincere apologies he's ever given. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| All right, well, listen, I want to get you up for a full hour sometime next week to just talk about the American success story, and I'm glad Mike Adams called me up to say, look, that's a baloney media article, and I apologize that I bought in to what the media was saying. | ||
| I've got to learn, just like... | ||
| You said, I can't believe I trusted him. | ||
| I called you and said, don't trust him, but I trusted him. | ||
| So I apologize for believing them and saying that tactical firearms was not pro-Second Amendment. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| That's all right. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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The only people he will apologize to. | |
| Full-throated apology. | ||
| If you remember, in the first earlier episode, he said that this was an anti-gun gunshot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he has to give an apology. | ||
| I'm so sorry that I bought to the bullshit that I thought that you were a gun store that was against the second fucking amendment. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| It is almost... | ||
| Like, that is almost like he's apologizing to a high priest of guns. | ||
| Like, that was very much, like, my only real god is represented by you on this earth. | ||
| The trigger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it does feel that way. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| I mean, it shows that, like, he is afraid of being out of the good graces of gun weirdos. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| If he will go out of his way to apologize for that as opposed to... | ||
| Just like leaving it be. | ||
| It means that someone is mad at him on a gun forum. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would assume. | ||
| Well, the worst thing that you can call somebody in the gun community is an apostate, which I suppose is what he's describing as an anti-Second Amendment gun shop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex has that guest, which is great. | ||
| Guns. | ||
| Then he has another guest. | ||
| And this guy really, really bummed me out. | ||
| All right. | ||
| For the rest of the hour. | ||
| We are joined by syndicated radio host and, of course, a doctor. | ||
| And he is on the broadcast with us here, joining us from his office, Dr. Peter Glidden. | ||
| And I wanted to get him on to talk about 780,000 people are killed each year from MD treatments. | ||
| That's conservative. | ||
| At least 31 school shootings have been on the psychotropic type stuff. | ||
| We're going to get into all that. | ||
| And a bunch of other statistics that are hard numbers that we need to talk about. | ||
| But I wanted to get Dr. Glidden on first to talk about several new big announcements that just show the total twilight zone level that we're in. | ||
| We can have a document cam shot here for TV viewers. | ||
| Harvard study confirms fluoride reduces children's IQ. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Now, this came out last year, but now there's another report in the Huffington Post about this who's called me a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Talking about this in the past. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| So, here we have a doctor showing up on Alex's show. | ||
| We can just assume, right off the bat, a couple of things. | ||
| Veterinary. | ||
| What are they? | ||
| What are the things we can assume? | ||
| Not a doctor in the field that we are going to be discussing. | ||
| Obviously, that's the first thing. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You can tell that this is not a doctor. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Peter Glidden has a degree in naturopathy, which is not the same thing as being a medical doctor. | ||
| Probably some jail time, maybe? | ||
| So what's the second thing we can assume? | ||
| You think it's jail time? | ||
| That is incorrect. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The second thing is that they're probably connected to a product that Alex makes money off of. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| A very quick search of the name Peter. | ||
| Peter Glidden reveals that he's a, quote, member of the Scientific Advisory Board at Longevity, the supplement line that sponsors Alex's show at this point in time. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Much like all the fucking assholes who come on Alex's show from Longevity, which I stress is run by a veterinarian pretending to be a human doctor, Peter Glidden is somebody who espouses sincerely dangerous ideas. | ||
| One of his big claims to fame is arguing that chemotherapy doesn't work, and it's just a scam by doctors to keep cancer patients sick and make more money off them. | ||
| Instead of getting that chemo and lining your medical doctor's pockets, you should use naturopathy and line the pockets of non-doctors like him. | ||
| Glidden justifies his claim by citing a 2004 study from the Clinical Oncology Journal. | ||
| He has selected one line that he uses to make his argument that says, quote, the overall contribution of curative and adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to five-year survival in adults was estimated to be 2.3% in Australia and 2.1% in the USA. | ||
| And then he concluded that this means that chemotherapy only works in 2% of the people they use it on. | ||
| Of course, Glidden is intentionally misleading people about this study. | ||
| The 2% number is 2% of the total people diagnosed with cancer, not 2% of the people who get chemo, which is very different statistically. | ||
| A large number of the people considered in that statistic didn't get chemo, so the 2.1% is in no way related to the efficacy of chemo as a cancer treatment. | ||
| The misrepresentation of this study is important. | ||
| It's attacking science in the name of longevity, and the real consequence of someone believing him is that they might die. | ||
| I know that chemo isn't 100% a sure thing, but I would love to see double-blind peer-reviewed studies on Beyond Tangy Tangerine before we start having any of that fucking conversation. | ||
| Alternative medicine is all good, and it's all good and well. | ||
| And there's nothing wrong with studying natural cures to ailments, even ones that have mainstream medical treatments already. | ||
| Science is a big tent. | ||
| That said, where it all becomes a huge problem is when you use your unfounded medicine bullshit, this alternative medicine bullshit, primarily to attack mainstream medical treatments. | ||
| This isn't trying to advance medical treatment. | ||
| It's not based on a concern that patients aren't getting the appropriate care. | ||
| It's a transparent attempt to trick vulnerable people into spending their money on you instead of doctors. | ||
| And man, that sucks. | ||
| Oh, also Peter Glidden also hosts a show on the Genesis Communications Network called Fire Your Doctor Now. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Synthesis. | ||
| How dare you. | ||
| All of his doctor guys are all people that are making money off him. | ||
| They're all on the grift. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That is awful to have the double whammy of we're 100%. | ||
| Get as many guns in as many people's hands as possible, and at the same time, remove as many doctors as we can from this world. | ||
| We want to get you hurt, and we want to make sure you stay hurt. | ||
| It's deeply disturbing. | ||
| Yeah, that's fucked up. | ||
| So now about this fluoride study that he mentions. | ||
| Alex has no idea what he's talking about. | ||
| But also, part of the reason that the misuse of that study, the Harvard study, became so prevalent is that larger platforms allowed themselves to be infiltrated by anti-science bullshit artists. | ||
| Who used their platforms against them. | ||
| The Harvard study is an analysis that some researchers did of a bunch of studies on the effects of fluoride and IQ. | ||
| The researchers at Harvard didn't run any new trials. | ||
| They merely reviewed 27 already existing studies and discussed what they purported to have found. | ||
| Most of the studies they analyzed were about 10 years old and from China. | ||
| The studies were looking at people living in villages in China, Mongolia, and Iran where the natural fluoride levels, I stress, not added fluoride water. | ||
| Oh, god damn these fucking people. | ||
| The natural fluoride levels in their drinking water was approximately 12 times the level it is here in the United States. | ||
| Oh, I remember this one now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now I remember this one. | ||
| I don't think that anyone would dispute that even beneficial chemicals being taken in at that high of a rate can be dangerous, but that's not how Alex or his fake doctor friends present that information. | ||
| They point to this meta... | ||
| ... | ||
| and pretend that Harvard came out and admitted that they were right all along and that fluoride's an attack on the population. | ||
| Blah. | ||
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The researchers who did that meta-analysis of studies were also very clear in their paper that the 27 studies that they reviewed had serious issues regarding the scientific method. | |
| Some of them would probably not stand up to scrutiny if they were submitted to be published on their own, but they exist within the body of this meta-analysis. | ||
| Subsequent studies have found no link between fluoride and IQ, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| The misrepresentation of that Harvard study had already taken hold in communities that wanted to believe the false conclusion, so no amount of proof that that conclusion is wrong is going to be sufficient. | ||
| And one of the biggest reasons that this narrative became so popular was because exactly what Alex pointed out. | ||
| There was a Huffington Post headline. | ||
| Quote, Harvard study confirms fluoride reduces children's IQ. | ||
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No. | |
| However. | ||
| You fucking. | ||
| It wasn't written by anybody. | ||
| It was written on the publicly generated. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
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The one that they got rid of because of stupid shit like this. | |
| God damn it. | ||
| It was on the HuffPost contributor platform. | ||
| Motherfuckers. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The HuffPost contributor blog post was written by Joseph Mercola, who is an anti-vax pseudoscience grifter and has been for a really long time. | ||
| Multiple times the government has had to tell him to cease and desist of making medical claims that he was putting forth about products he sold, and in 2016 he had to pay back over $5.3 million to customers he had defrauded by selling them tanning beds, which would reduce their risk of cancer. | ||
| He's a real pile of shit, and probably worth a whole episode at some point, and if he ever shows up on... | ||
| Look forward to that. | ||
| But for now, just know Joseph Mercola sucks. | ||
| Huffington Post did a lot of damage by allowing people like him to have free reign to attach their misinformation to the presumably legitimate name of their platform. | ||
| Even people like Alex understand that mainstream media outlets have more rigorous editorial standards than he does. | ||
| That's why he constantly backs up his stories by saying it's in the mainstream news. | ||
| He knows that makes his bullshit sound more believable because the mainstream news does fact-checking. | ||
| The HuffPost contributor platform does not, but shares a name with an outlet. | ||
| That's so annoying and they are so stupid. | ||
| It's such misinformation. | ||
| That was such a stupid thing that they did. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Pretty wild. | ||
| So anyway, fluoride doesn't affect your IQ unless you take tons of it. | ||
| And then you're poisoned at that point. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| It is a severe disservice that science journalism has done. | ||
| Not like intentionally, just... | ||
| It's almost like there should be, like, in the same way that there are clearance levels for stuff, like, something like that study should be under a clearance level so you can't fucking abuse that kind of bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, but if you do that, then you automatically... | ||
| No, no, no, of course. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I know it's an unfeasible thing, but it's just like... | ||
| It breeds its own problems. | ||
| Right, but that just, it can't be allowed into the wrong hands, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's that kind of instinctual reaction you have to it. | ||
| I viscerally agree with you. | ||
| And, you know, it's that same thing of, like, the lie... | ||
| It travels around the world before the truth gets out of bed. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's so much easier for this to propagate people. | ||
| It's a more compelling, interesting story that the government is trying to poison the water. | ||
| It triggers your brain's desire for stories. | ||
| And because of the intersection between capitalism and journalism, and science journalism especially, nobody wants to read headlines that are like, Incremental benefits shown might occur based upon these controlled variables being applied in this specific fashion. | ||
| Let's also not get into ideas about how accusations of well-poisoning are also a deep, rich, anti-Semitic tradition from history. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| So it also triggers that for a little bit. | ||
| It has that same sort of visceral history. | ||
| So Dr. Glidden. | ||
| Why am I calling him a doctor? | ||
| Yeah, that should be... | ||
| Mr. Glidden. | ||
| Not a Dr. Glidden. | ||
| Pete. | ||
| So Pete. | ||
| Yeah, he's just Pete. | ||
| This guy sucks. | ||
| He tells people not to get chemo and shit. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| But he got in a little bit of trouble because he was calling himself a doctor. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And that's not cool. | ||
| And I love the way he describes this, like getting in trouble. | ||
| This is so awesome. | ||
| This is a 30 second little clip. | ||
| And what he does is like, you first of all are amazing. | ||
| You're delusion. | ||
| And then second, you belong on Alex's show. | ||
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The only reason we put up with this nonsense is because there is not a free medical market in the United States. | |
| There isn't. | ||
| You want a perfect example? | ||
| The state of Illinois just fined me $5,000 for putting the word doctor on my website. | ||
| $5,000. | ||
| The only person that can call themselves a doctor in the state of Illinois are people that have MDs after their name. | ||
| It's ridiculous, ladies and gentlemen, which is why the best thing you can do for your health if you're suffering from a chronic disease is fire your MD now. | ||
| Get on board with medical nutrition and take your health back. | ||
| That's an ad pivot. | ||
| He did an ad pivot as a guest. | ||
| That was a fucking wow. | ||
| Because Fire Your Doctor Today is the name of his show. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| I don't know if I've ever heard a guest do an ad pivot. | ||
| And he did it so smooth. | ||
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Smooth. | |
| I bet Alex was even like, whoa, holy shit, good work. | ||
| It's like he heard the music come in and he must have listened to Alex's show or maybe he does the same thing on his show. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Maybe on Fire Your Doctor Now he does a lot of ad pivots. | ||
| Maybe that's where Alex got him from. | ||
| Yeah, man, that was smooth as silk. | ||
| He's saying the state of Illinois charged me $5,000 to say it. | ||
| I'm a doctor when I'm not. | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| What kind of oppression are we living in? | ||
| I can't call myself a doctor? | ||
| There's no free medical market because I can't just go to school. | ||
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He was actually calling for free tuition. | |
| That's what he was doing. | ||
| I think that's right. | ||
| He still would never have become a doctor. | ||
| He's also calling for you don't have to do homework. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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It's not free tuition, it's free degrees. | |
| Which is a mess. | ||
| Yeah, that is unfortunate. | ||
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So... | |
| Just the balls. | ||
| They won't even let me call me a doctor. | ||
| It's me calling me. | ||
| You can only call yourself a doctor if you have a doctorate. | ||
| I don't even actually think that's true. | ||
| Like, if you're a DO, I think you can call yourself a doctor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like a doctor of osteopathy. | ||
| I just think that if you're a naturopath, you can't call yourself a doctor because it's misleading. | ||
| Yeah, because you're lying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you're not. | ||
| So I think that this interview is low-key super important. | ||
| And it's one of the few times that I think it's totally not interesting to anybody outside of our world, probably. | ||
| But to me, this next clip is one of the biggest case studies for, like... | ||
| What could have happened if people paid attention to Alex? | ||
| How differently could life have been if they actually paid attention? | ||
| Here's an example. | ||
| Rob Dew, the head of the Nightly News crew, he was out tubing, got caught in some rocks, ripped, I forget the names of it, the ACL, but also the other side of his knee. | ||
| They said, two different doctors, 100%, you need surgery, you'll never walk again. | ||
| I said, listen, go to a chiropractor. | ||
| He said, no, I'm going to go to one. | ||
| I said, try to work that out. | ||
| Six months later, he hiked four miles up a mountain with me, and his knee is completely better. | ||
| And he went to chiropractors, and they worked it out and realigned it and told him the exercises to do and also to take high-powered vitamins and minerals. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| They didn't get to cut open his knee. | ||
| Ted Anderson, they told him, you've got to have surgery on this knee. | ||
| Six months on Beyond Tangy Tangerine, the essential fatty acids, and other products from InfoWarsHealth.com. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| They absolutely do not want you to know this because they want to cut you open. | ||
| They want to cut you open. | ||
| So first of all, that's fucked up. | ||
| That's illegal. | ||
| You bet it is. | ||
| That's illegal! | ||
| You bet it is. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You can't claim that... | ||
| That's illegal! | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| That's super illegal! | ||
| This would have gotten Alex fined a very serious amount if anybody was paying attention back in 2013. | ||
| Endorsements and testimonials are really interesting things, according to the law. | ||
| When you're advertising a product, one of the more powerful ways someone might try and discuss the efficacy of said product is to vouch for it working personally. | ||
| A testimonial. | ||
| rules about how those are used. | ||
| The FTC is pretty clear about how they can and can't be used. | ||
| And one of the chief guidelines is that if you're expressing an endorsement from someone else, you have to accurately express their beliefs. | ||
| You have to represent them accurately. | ||
| So, if Ted Anderson and Rob Duke don't believe that Yongevity products were responsible for their knee recoveries, Alex just committed a crime. | ||
| So they would have to, under oath, say, yes, absolutely, I have a reasonable basis for believing that Yongevity helped me get my ACL back. | ||
| What are those surgery scars? | ||
| Hold on now. | ||
| Furthermore, making unsubstantiated claims in the context of a testimonial in no way gets you off the hook for making unsubstantiated claims. | ||
| If Young Jevity is marketing by having Alex talk about unsubstantiated or misleading medical claims, they are still liable for those claims. | ||
| It's not like, hey, Alex said it's fine. | ||
| That's not how it works. | ||
| Also, by FTC rules, Alex really fucked up because, quote, an advertisement employing endorsements by one or more consumers about the performance of an advertised product or service will be interpreted as representing that the product or service is effective for the purpose depicted in the advertisement. | ||
| Therefore, the advertiser must possess and rely upon adequate substantiation, including, when appropriate, competent and reliable scientific evidence to support such claims made through endorsements. | ||
| same manner an advertiser would be required to if they had made the representation directly. | ||
| Because he used two testimonials, endorsements, the law now interprets this as a medical claim that needs to be supported by evidence in exactly the same way as if Young Jevity had come out and said, our product cures ACL tears. | ||
| Because Alex used two examples, and at no point did they say something like, these results are not typical, or something similar as a disclaimer, he effectively committed a crime. | ||
| Perhaps the most important breach of ethics here, though, is that the two testimonials are being offered. | ||
| They're from people with material connections to the company they're making claims about. | ||
| Rob Dew is the Infowars nightly news director, and Yongevity is one of Infowars' main sponsors. | ||
| At this point, Infowars Life and Infowars Health are basically just resellers of Yongevity products. | ||
| Rob Dew's salary is in part subsidized by Yongevity, so his testimonial is tainted. | ||
| Now, it is completely ethical when Trump goes to one of his... | ||
| His own golf courses, tweets out a lot of ads about his own golf courses, pays all of our money to his own golf courses. | ||
| This is very ethical behavior. | ||
| It's just because they're so great golf courses. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| Similarly, Ted is not an impartial party. | ||
| He syndicates Alex's show, so he has a financial interest in promoting their sponsors. | ||
| Additionally, Ted syndicates Peter Glidden's show, as well as the shows of multiple other representatives of Yongevity. | ||
| When Ted lost his license to sell precious metals, Midas Resources, his company, went back to reselling Yongevity products. | ||
| He is deeply involved with the company, so his testimony is deeply, deeply tainted. | ||
| The FTC is pretty clear that using these sorts of testimonials are an example of deceptive marketing, which is 100% what's being done. | ||
| A lot of that legal language is for parsing very specific. | ||
| Different little tiny changes here. | ||
| This is a great example of the layman being able to understand the law pretty instinctively. | ||
| Like, when you hear that, if you have no idea, you have no familiarity with the American legal system whatsoever. | ||
| You don't know the FTC's a thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You hear that and you're like, no, no, no, that's not okay. | ||
| Okay, that's bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, we can't be doing that. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| It's fairly intuitive in terms of what the guidelines are. | ||
| You can't lie about what people endorse. | ||
| You're fucking around if you... | ||
| Have a financial interest that backs your endorsement. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. | ||
| And I know this is beating a dead horse, but in that very short clip... | ||
| Alex Jones manifested multiple instances of behavior that are directly against the rules of the FTC. | ||
| If anyone cared about what he was doing or paying attention in 2013, he could have been shut down years ago for using this kind of deceptive and possibly overtly illegal business practice. | ||
| If the globalists actually existed and gave a flying fuck about what Alex was doing, they could have had him anytime. | ||
| Which further reinforces my argument that Alex is pretty aware that he's fighting against an imaginary enemy. | ||
| It further reinforces my argument that he is actually Oppo. | ||
| Controlled Opposition Dan! | ||
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They are keeping him in there! | |
| That's the only way. | ||
| It couldn't just be that he's, at this point in time, irrelevant, pointless, and not worth anybody's time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| More trouble than it's worth to pay attention to him. | ||
| I can vouch for that. | ||
| That's my endorsement. | ||
| Um... | ||
| So we've got one more clip here, because the rest of the show also isn't that great. | ||
| It's a very uninspired stretch of a couple days. | ||
| Because I think he wants to go to the Super Bowl. | ||
| Or he wants to watch the Super Bowl. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wants to overcompensate for how much he wants to watch the Super Bowl. | ||
| And then gets sidetracked by his utter excitement to go see Piers Morgan. | ||
| And there's just not a lot of content. | ||
| There's not much new stuff other than, like I said, the power outage conspiracy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I just, I'm not interested. | ||
| This is frivolous. | ||
| It's frivolities. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's frustrating. | ||
| But I told you, Jordan, that I believe that what Alex is up to vis-a-vis longevity on this episode is deeply unethical. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, Peter Glidden would like you to know. | ||
| It's super ethical. | ||
| He's cool, man. | ||
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He's cool. | |
| He... | ||
| laughter laughter He's not up to fucked up stuff. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Don't look over here! | ||
| Come on! | ||
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Sure, I'm a board member of Young Jevity. | |
| Sure, but I'm cool. | ||
| It's not fucked up. | ||
| Quick disclaimer. | ||
| I'm a chill dude, bro. | ||
| Yeah, I work for them, but don't worry about it. | ||
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There's nothing messed up about what we're doing. | |
| Don't get chemo. | ||
| Let's go surfing. | ||
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Come on. | |
| He's really cool. | ||
| And if you were cool, you would do the fucking stuff he does. | ||
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By the way, Alex, full disclosure, I have extracted myself from the revenue stream of the vitamin sales in Longevity. | |
| Dr. Glidden does not make any money from talking up vitamins. | ||
| I make zero. | ||
| Quite frankly, I got sick of people saying, oh, Dr. G, you're just trying to make money selling vitamins. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| I don't make any. | ||
| My fiancé does. | ||
| My son does. | ||
| People in my family do. | ||
| People in my community do because they're not stupid. | ||
| I love that. | ||
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I love that. | |
| Yeah, I'm not making money off my bullshit, but everyone I know is because they're not fucking stupid. | ||
| That's so aggressive. | ||
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Balls on the they're not fucking stupid part. | |
| That's amazing. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, that's next level bullying as a grift. | ||
| I'm sick of people saying I only do this because I profit off of it. | ||
| My fiancé profits off it. | ||
| We have a joint bank account. | ||
| I make withdrawals regularly. | ||
| Sometimes I'll move some of her money into my only account that I have. | ||
| But I'm cool and you doing it is stupid. | ||
| If you don't... | ||
| If you don't do it, you're stupid. | ||
| It's crazy to me, first of all, him talking about himself in the third person. | ||
| That makes me very uncomfortable. | ||
| But then the second thing, too, and if you really are listening to that, the I've extracted myself from the revenue stream. | ||
| What does that mean legally? | ||
| Who talks like that? | ||
| Yeah, what does that mean legally? | ||
| I've extracted myself from... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, as we, you know... | ||
| Time is a revenue stream. | ||
| So, you know, you get in, you get back in, you know, it's easy. | ||
| Also, these people are liars. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why would I take that as truth? | ||
| Why would I? | ||
| I don't profit off vitamins. | ||
| I don't believe you. | ||
| You've lied about everything else. | ||
| You tell people not to take chemo because it's a conspiracy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't trust you when you say you don't make money off your bullshit. | ||
| No, I trust him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's a difference between you and me. | ||
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But I do like that claim because why the fuck not? | |
| I love the claim. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, why the fuck wouldn't you say that bullshit? | ||
| You're already convincing people. | ||
| Look, if you're convinced by him not to get chemo against the wishes of your doctor, of course you're going to believe that he's telling the truth on this one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, why not? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| So, I mean, this brings us to the end of the episode. | ||
| It's a bit shorter than normal, but I just, you know, there isn't a lot of, you know, stuff to go over. | ||
| It's a no-man's land for the most part. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| Yeah, and I wish, you know, I wish I had more, but... | ||
| You know, I can only do that which Alex allows me to do. | ||
| Yeah, we can't manufacture the footage that Alex would have had he been able to videotape on CNN. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's nothing funnier than Alex begging to be back on. | ||
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So sad. | |
| That was really exciting to me. | ||
| I don't think there's anything funnier than my fiancé does it. | ||
| Members of my family do it. | ||
| People in the community do it. | ||
| And if you're not, it's because you're fucking stupid. | ||
| It's so weird to me that flex because it starts from a place of like, I don't profit off this. | ||
| And you don't expect him to immediately talk about all of his family profiting off of his lies. | ||
| Which means that he does profit. | ||
| Indirectly at best. | ||
| Yeah, it's so weird. | ||
| That's so stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| As are you. | ||
| If you don't. | ||
| If I don't do it. | ||
| Well, clearly I haven't been doing it. | ||
| So anyway, we'll be back on Wednesday for another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| At knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| And I'm at go to bed, Jordan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are. | ||
| And we're on the iTunes. | ||
| We're on the other podcasts. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You could go to Libsyn. | ||
| You could find a meme somewhere that might link to us. | ||
| That might help. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think Peter Glidden's advice is probably... | ||
| Oh, he's totally killed him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Not killed, necessarily. | ||
| I mean, I guess second-degree manslaughter? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how to ethically put that other than to say bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shake my finger. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I think we've used Piers Morgan before, but he seems like one of the only people in this cavalcade. | ||
| That is above board. | ||
| Yeah, because I'm not going to trust the first caller who was all about Molly Maroney herself. | ||
| Oh, she's definitely not heard of it. | ||
| She's not killed anybody, but one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |