Today, Dan and Jordan take a Wacky Wednesday break to check in on the newest updates in the ongoing saga of Sweary Kerry Cassidy and the guy who's trying to make a documentary about how her best friend is not a space captain, but is actually a murderer. In this installment, the gents break down a recorded conversation between the two that involves "discernment."
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Did you say in because you're subtly trying to buzz market your show tonight in Indiana, the people who are listening to this tomorrow? | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's what I'm doing, buzzmarking. | ||
| I was just buzzmarking Indiana entirely. | ||
| The subtle vocal patterns. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Sneaky. | ||
| Michiwakindeed. | ||
| So if you have a time machine, come check out Jordan in Indiana last night. | ||
| It'll be a great show. | ||
| It'll be a great show. | ||
| It was, when you're listening to this. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
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Good times. | |
| You've got to do a better job of plugging your shows. | ||
| That's really what I'm getting at. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, I'm really bad at it. | ||
| Could have brought this up on Monday. | ||
| Could have done it. | ||
| Maybe get some Indiana peeps out. | ||
| Could have done it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Easy. | ||
| Easy. | ||
| You've got to make a point of this in the future. | ||
| I think it's probably a smart idea. | ||
| This is probably an off-show conversation. | ||
| Do you have a question for me? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Bath salts or bath bombs, Dan? | ||
| Bath salts. | ||
| Bath salts? | ||
| I think we've talked about this a little bit. | ||
| I find bath bombs a little bit disappointing because they're called bombs and all they do is fizz a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I find it very disappointing. | ||
| It's just the appearance of him? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I want more of an experience out of it. | ||
| It's called a bomb, you know? | ||
| I want... | ||
| or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Bath salts, for me, are a very, like... | ||
| I've always loved a bath, but it's a part of my brain that still loves kind of new-agey bullshit. | ||
| It's something I really value. | ||
| We've been to the witch store. | ||
| Oh yeah, it was fantastic. | ||
| There's bath salts that'll give you peace. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or tranquility. | ||
| I believe the one I bought was... | ||
| Prosperity. | ||
| Prosperity. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I know that there's no magic to these bath salts, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to go buy those instead of the Calgon brand or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Even though I have some Calgon bath salts in my bathroom right now, but that was just because I couldn't make the... | ||
| So Jordan, today we had a very interesting episode to go over. | ||
| But before we do, we've got to say thank you to some people who make this show possible. | ||
| I think it's a smart idea. | ||
| And keep me swimming in bath salts. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| You got that sweet, sweet bath salt money. | ||
| That's not true at all. | ||
| So first of all, I'd like to say thank you to Maria. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Maria! | ||
| Next, Ursula. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Ursula. | ||
| Next, Jack V. You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Jackie V. Next, Jack M. Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Jackie M. We're very popular with Jacks this week. | ||
| We've got a lot of Andys, a lot of Jacks. | ||
| We're trying to fill up our Jack quota. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We're low. | ||
| Next, Ann. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Ann. | ||
| Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| So, Rachel, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
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Let's just get down to business. | |
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
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Why you pimp so good? | |
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare... | ||
| Infowar on you! | ||
| Thank you so much, Rachel! | ||
| Thank you very much, Rachel! | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, we like that show, we'd like to support these guys and what they do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| There's a button that says support the show. | ||
| We'd appreciate it. | ||
| It would be nice. | ||
| Now, Jordan, today we are in what we call a pickle barrel. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Who calls it a pickle barrel? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Or I did yesterday when I was preparing this episode. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| So... | ||
| We're in a situation where we're coming up with the episode to do, and the time frame of the world right now, I was like, well, Alex has probably got some really fucking interesting things to say about it. | ||
| We just had the European elections. | ||
| His boy Farage went buck wild on fools. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| All Alex's other friends lost unceremoniously. | ||
| All the people who will show up on Alex's show, the Tommy Robinsons of the world, the Counts Dankula. | ||
| I guess Sargon, I don't know if he's ever come on Alex's show, but he also lost. | ||
| So I thought, like, for sure, Monday's show is going to be pretty buck wild. | ||
| It would have to be. | ||
| And so I turned it on, and it was trash. | ||
| Well. | ||
| I don't know why, but Owen Schroyer was co-hosting the entire show. | ||
| The entire show? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| My theory was that they thought Alex would need a babysitter, because it was Memorial Day. | ||
| Okay, so he was just going to be fucked up. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That was kind of my thinking, but weirdly, if you listen to the episode, Alex doesn't seem drunk. | ||
| He just seems kind of... | ||
| Present day Alex-y. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's nothing like, ah, he's not throwing hatchets around or anything. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's kind of disappointing. | ||
| He should have hatchets on hand underneath his desk all the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| So the first half hour was kind of just begging for money. | ||
| It was all just, like, seriously severe plugs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, like, I'm not just saying it kept happening. | ||
| It was protracted. | ||
| Just one long, non-stop. | ||
| Based on the premise of the European elections and how nationalism is taking over the world, and it's because of Alex. | ||
| Entirely. | ||
| Well, InfoWars kicked this off. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| As Nigel Farage has even said... | ||
| Alex is responsible for UKIP becoming a viable party. | ||
| God, that should be punishable by, you know, 25 to life kind of crime right there. | ||
| I think it's a little bit of an exaggeration, but whatever. | ||
| So, Alex, his deconstruction of the European elections are just like, ha-ha, nationalism's taking over, suck it, globalists. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So, anyway, Alex is just kind of rambling. | ||
| It's a bunch of nonsense, and I don't really care all that much. | ||
| There's no real good analysis. | ||
| There's no good point. | ||
| It's just sort of fatalistic, and like, Trump is going to try people for treason. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's kind of just taking laps around stuff I've already kind of talked about already. | ||
| So I was like, alright, it's Wednesday. | ||
| Wacky Wednesday, Ty, baby. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| Let's do something. | ||
| So I went over to Project Camelot. | ||
| There's nothing there. | ||
| It's trash. | ||
| Trash. | ||
| Wall-to-wall. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| It's just like 5G roundtable discussions. | ||
| Roundtable discussions about 5G? | ||
| With everybody lying? | ||
| Get bent, lady. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| This isn't good content. | ||
| So I was like, alright, maybe Dave Daubenmire. | ||
| Let's go check in with him. | ||
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Coach Dave. | |
| I got like three minutes into a video, I'm like, get out. | ||
| I already understand you. | ||
| This is garbage. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So I'm like, holy shit, you know what I just remembered? | ||
| Larry Nichols has a YouTube channel where he started recording things. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Larry Nichols has a YouTube channel? | ||
| Yeah, that's, oh boy. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| So I was like, maybe we should start covering Larry Nichols' weird YouTube videos that he puts out, like 30 minute. | ||
| Dispatches of his information breaks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I started listening to those. | ||
| I'm like, these are so boring. | ||
| They're just... | ||
| Not surprising. | ||
| You cannot imagine how terrible it is to listen to half hour of Larry talking straight. | ||
| I can! | ||
| We talk to him! | ||
| True, but we had us talking to break that up. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Without anybody else there, Larry is tough to listen to. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we're not going to be covering Larry Nichols, although I will tell you this. | ||
| Because I went through his YouTube channel, I can tell you two things. | ||
| One, Larry doesn't believe in QAnon. | ||
| Oh, that's good! | ||
| It's an interesting development. | ||
| Second thing I learned, Larry Nichols recorded an album. | ||
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Hmm? | |
| I just took a drink and that was very close to a spit take. | ||
| What the fuck just happened there? | ||
| Larry Nichols recorded an album of song covers. | ||
| He did not. | ||
| And here is a sampling. | ||
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I refuse! | |
| People get ready. | ||
| There's a train to come. | ||
| This is not that terrible. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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all you need is be my guitar This really isn't that bad! | |
| It's serviceable. | ||
| It is! | ||
| Now I'm starting to think Willie Nelson was involved in Iran Contra as well. | ||
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Right a bit. | |
| It's a rainy night in Georgia. | ||
| It seems to me some time. | ||
| Is this the entire episode? | ||
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So where did this chart? | |
| Are you sure? | ||
| Not even on the Billboard Top 100. | ||
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In a stadium itself Oh, Larry Nichols. | |
| What a wonderful world All right, that was long, but I needed us to get to Larry Nichols singing What a Wonder Woman. | ||
| Yeah, no, of course. | ||
| That was the cherry on top. | ||
| That was the kicker. | ||
| A couple points about this. | ||
| First of all, there's like a six-minute video with even more songs that you can go find. | ||
| It's online. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| If you need more of that, Larry, he recorded this and released it fairly recently. | ||
| Recently? | ||
| Yeah, which calls into question his voice. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The way he presents... | ||
| I'm just walking around not doing... | ||
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I see leaves of green, red roses. | |
| I know that people speaking and singing voices can be pretty markedly different, but I don't think that different. | ||
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No. | |
| I think that's absurd. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, what he's presenting is damage to his vocal cords. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And you wouldn't be able to sing like that, I don't think, if you had... | ||
| I'm gonna die soon. | ||
| Yeah, that's very much like a Disney cartoon from the 90s where it's the speaking voice and then the singing voice is all of a sudden you're like, oh shit, that's a different person entirely. | ||
| Right, they had a double cast. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, Christina Aguilera is singing. | ||
| And then the second thing, or maybe even third, I don't remember how many points I have on this issue, but... | ||
| I don't think that Larry has the right to sell covers of these songs. | ||
| Like, did he get the Eagles to let him sing Desperado? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, no, he made a few hundred calls to Iran, and Iran took care of it. | ||
| I certainly don't have the time or interest in doing this, but if, hey, Glenn Frey, if you're listening, send Larry a season to sing just to fuck with him. | ||
| He's illegally covering your songs. | ||
| That would be an interesting day in Larry Nichols' life. | ||
| He's not paying your royalties. | ||
| Get down there and take care of business. | ||
| What are you telling me? | ||
| I can't sing anything like that anymore. | ||
| So, we can't listen to Larry Nichols. | ||
| I'm like, goddammit. | ||
| What are we gonna do? | ||
| I was really up against it. | ||
| I couldn't figure out what to do. | ||
| And then I realized, like, alright. | ||
| With Project Camelot stuff, it basically becomes, like, well, let's... | ||
| It's always exciting when there's new information about Mark Richards. | ||
| Whenever she goes back to the prison, it's always fun. | ||
| And now that's sort of morphed because of Kevin Moore making this documentary about Mark Richards and him having this feud with Carrie. | ||
| It's become morphed now. | ||
| We covered him because of his coverage and we found out that he's a completely absurd channeler and a con hand running a psychic hotline. | ||
| And I was like, well, let's check him out some more. | ||
| And I went to his channel. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And I found something completely insane. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that's what we'll be going over today. | ||
| It does involve Carrie Cassidy. | ||
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Oh, that's nice. | |
| And here's an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| Pearl Harbor, that was a fucking false flag. | ||
| And if you don't know this stuff, you need to get educated. | ||
| It's a return of sweary Carrie! | ||
| Very sweary Carrie. | ||
| So, what we've got going on today is Kevin Moore, the guy who's making a documentary about Mark Richards, who Carrie Cassidy believes is a secret space program whistleblower who hangs out with raptor aliens, but is actually a murderer. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And a con man and an aspiring cult leader. | ||
| He is on another show. | ||
| He is on a show called Freedom of Joyce. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Terry Joyce is the name of the person who runs this show. | ||
| And she's having Kevin Moore. | ||
| Freedom of Joyce. | ||
| It's a little clunky. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Come on now. | |
| Come on now. | ||
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It's a little clunky. | |
| So she, Terry Joyce, is having Kevin Moore on as a guest to discuss his documentary about Mark Richards. | ||
| But over the course of it, you might start to get the sense that this Terry Joyce... | ||
| Just doesn't like Carrie Cassidy much and is excited about the idea of someone attacking her. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But that's maybe third or fourth most important in terms of the trends you'll see here. | ||
| So here is just the first clip, just them sort of saying hello and having some pleasantries. | ||
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Welcome to the Freedom of Joyce show here on YouTube. | |
| Freedom of Joyce. | ||
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And hopefully it will re-air on American Freedom Radio. | |
| Today my guest is Kevin Daniel Moore. | ||
| Welcome to the show today. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you so much Terry for having me on. | ||
| It's a pleasure. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I'm glad to see you in person. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| We've talked a little bit on the telephone. | ||
| So, you know, they've spoken before but now they get to meet in person. | ||
| You'll notice that she says... | ||
| You're listening on YouTube and hopefully... | ||
| I just wrote, literally just wrote hopefully. | ||
| What does hopefully mean? | ||
| It indicates that it's not automatic. | ||
| No. | ||
| It indicates to me that the only place she knows this is going to be is on her YouTube channel. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| So that's important to remember for later. | ||
| As it is now, I believe she may have an association with American Freedom Radio, which is just a fucking network of... | ||
| It shows people who have snowball mics and talk about liberty. | ||
| So that's the sort of vibe you get. | ||
| So in this next clip, Kevin gets into some of the ideas of the documentary that he's doing and why it's offensive to him that Carrie believes Mark Richards is an actual whistleblower. | ||
| Because he doesn't get a cut? | ||
| And he's been locked away for 36 years for the murder of his friend Richard Baldwin, Richard Alexandra Baldwin, along with his crime partner, Prossin Hoover. | ||
| Now, the thing is, we, as a viewing audience, trust Kerry Cassidy that she's vetted these people. | ||
| I never, ever considered that Kerry doesn't vet the people that she has as long-term guests on her show. | ||
| Like yourself and myself, maybe. | ||
| You know, if someone's coming on for an hour, what vetting are we going to do? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
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Nothing! | |
| If there's some inconsistencies in the story, maybe we'll pick them up in the interview. | ||
| You won't! | ||
| But unless it's complete bollocks, you know, we're there to give the airspace to the people and for them to talk about their work. | ||
| So, I mean, just remember that he's had Carrie Cassidy on his show before, he's had Joanne Richards on his show before, and so many other fucking weirdos. | ||
| Paul Craig Roberts, Jerome Corsi, space weirdos you've never heard of before. | ||
| Their names would mean nothing to you if I just listed them off. | ||
| Yeah, so, I mean, he's like, oh, she doesn't vet people. | ||
| None of you do! | ||
| Yeah, in an alternate universe where what you're saying makes any sense, that is... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The name of the game is not vetting people. | ||
| Because if you start vetting people, your whole fucking game is busted. | ||
| That's why Carrie Cassidy will be like, when she's attacking Kevin Moore, she'll be like, he runs a sex shop in Amsterdam, or whatever, instead of being like, he runs a fucking psychic hotline. | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Because that ruins her con. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| She can't vet him the way that we can, because the game is up then. | ||
| Do they actually think that they're vetting people? | ||
| I think they like to pretend that they are. | ||
| Like with a Google search, or what are we doing here? | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| It's nonsensical. | ||
| But everyone knows better than to poke each other in the places where they themselves are vulnerable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that leads to nobody vetting anybody. | ||
| Because otherwise, the entire game collapses. | ||
| It's very collaborative, but it's like a Mexican standoff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's just like, hey, I'll blow up your business if you blow up mine. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And no one's going to do that because it's... | ||
| Mutual assured destruction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a whole network of people with guns basically pointed at each other's heads at all times. | ||
| Just like, hey, you fuck this up for any of us, you fuck it up for all of us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why the only things that are really almost universal within these communities, these paranoid truth communities, is attacking people who have left them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, attacking people who have been like, I was inside these communities. | ||
| It is toxic and awful. | ||
| They're like, wow, this person got fucking flipped by the CIA. | ||
| Or they make a personal attack that has nothing to do with their bullshit scam. | ||
| He owns a sex shop, which isn't a personal attack, but it is some way that she's trying to smear the guy. | ||
| He talks about it in this interview. | ||
| I don't think I have a clip of it, but he was talking about how when he was younger and he graduated from primary school, he was thinking about setting up a sex toy shop in Amsterdam, but then decided to go to university instead. | ||
| And so he never actually followed through with those plans. | ||
| But there are, like, documents you can find from back then that would lead one to believe it's still an actual business. | ||
| Oh, so it's not even an actual business anymore. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| At least according to him. | ||
| I'll take his word about his own life over Carrie. | ||
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Probably. | |
| Now, he could be lying, but I don't see what function that serves. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, the idea of, like, covering up a sex toy shop that you're admitting you were going to start, it doesn't, it doesn't, there's no, there's no win in it. | ||
| That doesn't track. | ||
| No. | ||
| But what does track is Carrie's bullshit. | ||
| Amongst his many, many lies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, I think we get what I'm going to describe as the thesis of Kevin Moore's position. | ||
| And he uses a buzzword that is tremendously important and it gets thrown around these worlds and Alex's world. | ||
| Fucking Pearl Harbor is what he's using. | ||
| No, that comes up later. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I tell you what the documentary has done for me. | ||
| The word discernment is just beaming out at me right now, and I want the documentary to be a discerning documentary for, I want to call it our community, the community, the community that I've been a part of since 2008, when I first took up radio broadcasting at Glamorgan University in Wales. | ||
| So discernment. | ||
| Discernment is a buzzword with these people. | ||
| What are they using discernment for? | ||
| I mean, I think it means the same thing that you or I would think it means. | ||
| The ability to tell truth from fiction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what, you know, discerning the reality of, like, you bring something to me and I use my discernment to tell if I believe you or not. | ||
| Right, but they can't and won't and are incapable of doing that. | ||
| So how are they even allowed to use the word discernment? | ||
| Well, their version of discernment is so based on subjectivity that it's like, what resonates with your soul? | ||
| That's what's true. | ||
| That's your discernment as opposed to it being informed by information, empirical evidence. | ||
| Objective reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Raptors not caring for chocolate. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| That doesn't resonate with me. | ||
| How do you know that? | ||
| It doesn't resonate with me. | ||
| My discernment tells me they're lactose intolerant. | ||
| They can't even have milk chocolate. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I like that. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Where are they doing this interview? | ||
| Is this a mall food court? | ||
| What is going on here? | ||
| That is a great question. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It is loud. | ||
| There are so many people walking by behind them. | ||
| I think it might be in a library. | ||
| In a library? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Well, that's even worse. | ||
| I think it might be. | ||
| Well, I mean, it would be quieter in a library. | ||
| It would have to be quieter in a library. | ||
| Is that a bygone thing, librarians shushing people? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Do you think anything goes in a library now? | ||
| I mean, well, I think everybody in a library is just stoked that libraries are still a thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, people are walking in and librarians are like, I'm still valuable! | ||
| You'll put up with a lot more these days in a library. | ||
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Fuck you, Google! | |
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I couldn't tell from the video where it was taking place, but it looked like a room or a corner of a public building of some sort. | ||
| Could be a food court. | ||
| I mean, 100%. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Could be a library, not a private setting. | ||
| They couldn't get the studio space because Larry was recording his follow-up. | ||
| I see skies of green. | ||
| So in this next clip, Kevin discusses him learning about the Pendragon part of... | ||
| Mark Richards' murder. | ||
| Which, if you haven't listened to all of the episodes that we've done, it's Mark Richards' plan to turn Marin County into his own kingdom, styled after Camelot. | ||
| And it literally would have worked if it weren't for those meddling kids. | ||
| Murdering kids. | ||
| And if he had a laser. | ||
| That was a pretty big, important piece. | ||
| Yeah, that was a problem. | ||
| So he learns about that. | ||
| Well, he's telling about his learning of that and how that was a change for him. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I was also, at the time, recording a documentary on channeling, which is yet to be released. | ||
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Again, that documentary will be my journey and a lot more discerning. | |
| Now, I've done this documentary with Mark Richards. | ||
| Discerning! | ||
| So I get there, and he shows us links. | ||
| We record an interview together, and I take these links away back to the UK that I'd seen, and I was like, this is just not right. | ||
| There's a backstory here on this guy, Mark Richards. | ||
| So he's talking about getting contacted by someone after doing his interview with Carrie and a couple years after doing his interview with Joanne. | ||
| The same guy gets in contact with him and is like, hey man, this is fucking nonsense. | ||
| And he sends him information about the trial, press clippings, what have you. | ||
| So you would say that he probably didn't vet her very well. | ||
| Oh, you mean Kevin? | ||
| Kevin didn't vet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Almost not. | ||
| Probably not good at vetting his guests. | ||
| Nope, nope, nope. | ||
| There's a story called Pendragon. | ||
| Why isn't this on Kerry Caster's channel? | ||
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So, I called her. | |
| And why don't we play back the audio recording that we did with her now? | ||
|
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Because she asked permission to recall that conversation. | |
| I've not released it yet, and if you want to put it in this show, we can play it back now. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, what follows is a half-hour recorded conversation. | ||
| They just play the whole... | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| What? | ||
| On the phone. | ||
| Goddammit! | ||
| Kevin Moore calling Carrie Cassidy, and that is what we're going to listen to. | ||
| They played the whole thing? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| It is. | ||
| They're taking away my freedom of Joyce. | ||
| It's far more interesting than a freedom of Joyce interview, certainly. | ||
| I would like to choose something else. | ||
| I want to say, before we get going, up to a point, I'm totally on Carrie's side in this phone call. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| She is totally right about a number of things. | ||
| As well as Pearl Harbor being a false flag. | ||
| She's wrong about that. | ||
| Prove it. | ||
| My discernment says she's right. | ||
| There's a social dynamic that's going on between her and Kevin Moore, even back at this point, before he's even making the documentary about Mark Richards, that she's on the right side of, I think. | ||
| And we'll get into that as it goes along. | ||
| here is from the call Kevin bringing up this information about Camelot and about the Pendragon and it's new information to him but it's not new information to Carrie but he doesn't seem to know that. | ||
| He doesn't Of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so there's a weird dynamic at play there. | ||
| Wait, so he thinks that somebody emailed him out of the blue, contacting him, being like, hey, this guy is evil, and no one ever contacted Swayri Carey, who has spent years of her life now on this one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course she knows! | ||
| Either thinks that, or he's using the appearance of him thinking that as cover for trying to shame her for not covering this or something. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Either way, it's sort of patronizing and insulting. | ||
| Yeah, he's an asshole. | ||
| It does seem real asshole-ish. | ||
| Well, yeah, what I've been wanting to reach you for was... | ||
| Just to let you know about a chap that I run into when I was over in San Francisco. | ||
| So I was over at Contact in the Desert, and I just released my interview with yourself. | ||
| And when I was at Contact, then this chap got in contact with us by audio, by the phone. | ||
| This is a boring story. | ||
| Eventually, once we swapped numbers and everything else. | ||
| Richards. | ||
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Now, initially, I did not want to speak to him, really, because I didn't want anything to do with it. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I've put my interview with you out, and it really, you know, it's really not my business, to be honest with you. | ||
| But doing this documentary on challenging, one thing it's shown me is that I've shown... | ||
| I've had to show discernment quite a bit, right? | ||
| Get that word out your mouth! | ||
| If I'm going to apply it to that, then maybe I should apply it to this other side as well, this UFO side that I'm into. | ||
| That raises the question, why didn't you from the jump? | ||
| Why didn't you apply discernment in your career beforehand? | ||
| Sloppy. | ||
| You know, we all grow. | ||
| We all grow and change. | ||
| We all get a word-a-day calendar and discernment is on, I don't know, May 27th. | ||
| Discernment seems to be the only word on his word-a-day calendar. | ||
| Yeah, every day. | ||
| Just remember. | ||
| Discernment. | ||
| Be critical. | ||
| So, I thought about it, and I thought, well, go on then. | ||
| I'll speak to him. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| And it was interesting what he had to say. | ||
| Are you going to ask a fucking question? | ||
| This guy. | ||
| He knew the son of a guy called Baldwin, this guy that was murdered in the case of Mark Richards. | ||
| He knew the son, not the family much. | ||
| But anyway, so he's telling me this story over the phone, and he sends me a couple of links. | ||
| And it was just interesting what the Lynx had to say. | ||
| I'd never come across the murder before. | ||
| I thought Mark Richards was innocent. | ||
| Did you know what I mean? | ||
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Probably you do as well. | |
| You thought he was what? | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| No, I'm saying I thought he was innocent. | ||
| She wasn't listening at all. | ||
| He is actually innocent. | ||
| So that goes exactly how you kind of expect. | ||
| Kevin Moore is a long-winded, passive-aggressive speaker. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| And Kerry zoned out and then is like, oh yeah, he is innocent. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| I'm zoning. | ||
| You talk to a guy? | ||
| That was like hearing a story from my grandma. | ||
| I mean, you could sum that. | ||
| That was a two-minute clip. | ||
| You could just sum that up in like five seconds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got contacted by a guy who knows the victim's son, and he had some information that I found really troubling. | ||
| Would you like to hear more about it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Boom. | ||
| Not hard. | ||
| No, but is... | ||
| You know... | ||
| And... | ||
| I got in touch with the guy. | ||
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Originally, I didn't think I was going... | |
| We were on the phone, and then we exchanged numbers, and then I talked to him. | ||
| I didn't know if I was going to talk to him, but then we talked, and he had pieces of paper. | ||
| Didn't need to know any of that. | ||
| That's passive-aggressive. | ||
| That is a way of... | ||
| That's kind of needling a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| In terms of how you're conveying your information. | ||
| So, in this next clip, he gets to the... | ||
| The actual pen dragon of it all. | ||
| And Gary doesn't care at all. | ||
| I admire this response to an extent. | ||
| Piffle! | ||
| It was actually a bit of a little famous case because this guy was a complete nutcase, Mark was, in some respects. | ||
| Rude. | ||
| He wanted to set this new camera up in the Golden Gate area. | ||
| I know it sounds crazy what I'm saying to you, but... | ||
| Again, reading the court documents. | ||
| You're assuming that I know nothing about the case when I've done a lot of investigation. | ||
| So I know all about that. | ||
| And actually, he wasn't a nut. | ||
| And he wasn't doing that. | ||
| And the whole thing was manufactured. | ||
| But it's, you know, I understand the perspective out there. | ||
| And I understand the links and the things you've read. | ||
| So what is the, you know, I guess kind of wanting you to cut to the chase. | ||
| Because I don't have a lot of time. | ||
| I'm packing to go to bars, etc. | ||
| So, if you could... | ||
| What new information was this person trying to provide? | ||
| Well, I never knew about... | ||
| If you knew about these links before, I don't think... | ||
| That's not, like, out there as though these links are out there and people can just find them. | ||
| Most people go along with the story that Mark Rich is telling you. | ||
| Most people? | ||
| And they don't know about the opposing... | ||
| 22 links or 23 links, as I'm telling you. | ||
| They won't know about those. | ||
| No, all you have to do is do a search on the web. | ||
| You can find this stuff. | ||
| I don't think most people are doing those searches. | ||
| They'll just take it as absolute. | ||
| Well, that's their business. | ||
| I mean, that happens with everything I release. | ||
| I mean, you could say what people investigate and what they take. | ||
| I mean, it's dead easy to put a search term into Google and start your search. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| I was one of those people that wouldn't have done that, I don't think. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Because you're an idiot. | ||
| You know, it's not something you do. | ||
| Because you're fucking stupid, that's why. | ||
| I just blindly accept things that are said to me, and I don't look into them at all, yet I view myself as a pillar of truth. | ||
| I don't know why that's the case, but anyway, I think, Carrie, it's your responsibility to tell every angle of the stories. | ||
| And look, of course, I 100% disagree with what Carrie believes, and I think that there's probably a curdle of danger to her putting that stuff out in the world, but she's right about this social interaction. | ||
| 100%! | ||
| Hey, hey, dick. | ||
| That's not my job. | ||
| Cut to the chase! | ||
| Also, I'm running a fucking secret space program media operation. | ||
| It's not in my interests to try and debunk my own guests. | ||
| If other people want to do that, the information is out there. | ||
| Why would I direct them to it? | ||
| I know about all that stuff. | ||
| I've chosen not to believe it. | ||
| Fuck is wrong with you, asshole? | ||
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Yep. | |
| The reveal that he's like, oh, I'm just one of those people who would never put it into a cursory Google search. | ||
| Yeah, and that is a damning thing to hear coming from someone who had Mark Richards' wife on his show. | ||
| That implies that he didn't do a Google search then. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Because this information was out then, like when he had Joanne on. | ||
| This information has been out since he murdered the guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There have been press clippings available all over the internet. | ||
| What I get from this is just... | ||
| I mean, at a certain point, I think it goes bad for Carrie. | ||
| But up until this point, in this beginning of it, if she'd just hung up, I would have been like, Kevin, you shouldn't have put that out. | ||
| You look like a dick. | ||
| And she looks like someone who just has her space and she's protecting her space. | ||
| What's wrong with that? | ||
| From the first question, that's like the first question. | ||
| Which, I can't believe that it took seven minutes to ask that question. | ||
| Yeah, well, he's a little bit of a... | ||
| I don't know how to describe it. | ||
| He's just a bad talker. | ||
| I mean, that's not even a passive-aggressive question. | ||
| That is clearly a question that is an accusation. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Like, hey, you don't know about this, that your guy is... | ||
| Well, that's the first accusation. | ||
| And then once he knows that she does know about it, then it is like, you're covering this up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she very well may be covering it up, but it's not like she has the ability to actually cover anything up. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| She's just not reporting that. | ||
| Google search. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she points out to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, it gets a little bit more contentious, and I think I'm still on Carrie's side. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| He was so out there anyway in the original court case. | ||
| Talking about Mark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wanted to be the new King Arthur and such, and put this new... | ||
| Yeah, this is not accurate, but nonetheless, whatever. | ||
| This is an intelligence agency operation. | ||
| And that could be the truth. | ||
| Whatever details they decided to paint. | ||
| That could be the truth. | ||
| But what if that wasn't the truth and the opposite was true? | ||
| Have you considered that? | ||
| Well, of course, anyone can entertain both sides of the story. | ||
| You know, but what I'm saying, you know, Kevin, I'm trying to cut to the chase here. | ||
| Are you bringing me new information? | ||
| Are you just saying go look at those links? | ||
| I've already done that, so that would be the end of this conversation. | ||
| If you have new information, if that guy has new information, then what is the new information? | ||
| Well, obviously, I didn't know you knew about that, so you know about those links, right? | ||
| Well, for God's sake, I'm an investigative reporter. | ||
| You know, I'm interviewing some guy eight times. | ||
| They go to the trouble to go to prison. | ||
| I mean, you know, give me a little credit here, you know. | ||
| I do investigate my people and their sources, etc. | ||
| So, you know, I do as much due diligence as I find necessary. | ||
| And yes, of course I've investigated the case. | ||
| I think that you and I would probably have a different definition of due diligence that's necessary. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| But whatever he's doing is just rude. | ||
| Well, what he's doing is also tacitly admitting that he doesn't do any investigative shit at all. | ||
| Well, I mean, that keeps coming up. | ||
| Like, if he's asking her that question, that's because he assumes that she wouldn't know this, that she wouldn't have looked into him at all. | ||
| Meaning that he assumes that because he doesn't do it. | ||
| Or he's trying to pass off the responsibility onto his guests of his own preparation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the idea of like, okay, so I had Joanne Richards on. | ||
| It's on her to have researched her husband. | ||
| So if she's coming on and she's wrong, then I'm not really wrong for talking to her. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| The same way I have Carrie on and whatever she's saying, she has the responsibility of figuring out if her guests are legitimate or not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's not good enough. | ||
| So that's almost cowardly incompetence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would describe things I've seen of him as that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Carrie again tries to get down to business and be like, hey, do you got any new information? | ||
| Because this is old news. | ||
| I'm packing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, making a call to me, you're claiming this guy calls you. | ||
| Did the guy call you just to direct you to some investigation that you could do on your own that, you know, any regular person can just do? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Or did he give you new information? | ||
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No. | |
| Well, I never knew about any of this. | ||
| So, to me, it was new information to me. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I get that. | ||
| Your mind's being blown by things I already know and have decided not to care about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm really on sweary Carrie's side. | ||
| That's how much of a piece of shit that guy is. | ||
| It does seem that way. | ||
| He is such an asshole. | ||
| And Carrie seems to be trying to end this conversation because it has run its course. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, this guy called me. | ||
| He has this information that I found to be new. | ||
| I thought it was interesting. | ||
| It added a layer to this story that you're not covering on your show. | ||
| Oh, I know about that. | ||
| I just think it's bullshit. | ||
| Okay, take care. | ||
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Cool. | |
| That's where it should end. | ||
| You want to get coffee sometime? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're both scamming. | ||
| And that's why I think Carrie gets insanely frustrated with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she kind of then crosses into, like, oh, this sucks. | ||
| I do feel like there's... | ||
| She ends this poorly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it comes from a frustration that is very understandable. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And she's not wrong about. | ||
| Socially, this is fucked up behavior. | ||
| Do you know, he reminds me so much of the energy vampire from what we do in The Shadows, the show. | ||
| It is such like that guy in the office just going in there, just being like, and yeah, so have you ever seen that TV show? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| The name of the TV show. | ||
| It's the one that has that guy in it. | ||
| Have you ever seen that TV show? | ||
| I haven't seen the TV show that you're referencing or the character is referencing. | ||
| Okay, well, let me talk about a different TV show then. | ||
| And then you stab him to death. | ||
| Or you should just hang up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Carrie should hang up. | ||
| She's got to go to Barcelona. | ||
| But she can't escape. | ||
| So I think because Kevin won't let go of it and just be satisfied with the answer that, yeah, I've looked into this. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Carrie just has to get into attack mode. | ||
| And the first thing she does is suggest that this guy who contacted Kevin is up to no good. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| For the purposes of this phone call, I guess what you're doing is you're letting me know that you've done an interview with some guy who knew the son of the guy that was murdered. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
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That's exactly who he was, yeah. | |
| Okay, fine. | ||
| So he's not exactly... | ||
| That close to the situation. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| And he's also somebody who's coming forward years later to suddenly try to contact you. | ||
| Now, it's interesting that he's trying to contact you. | ||
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Yes, it is. | |
| And you said you interviewed Joanne and he did the same thing then. | ||
| So then you have to ask yourself, is this guy a paid informant? | ||
| Is he working for the CIA? | ||
| You have to. | ||
| You know, I mean, there's all kinds of reasons why a person comes forward in this way to try to bring a journalist such as yourself into one direction. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You can believe him, and it's fine if you did an interview. | ||
| I guess thanks for letting me know, not that it matters too terribly much to me, but if you think I'm going to change my point of view because this guy is suddenly coming forward to say, look at these links that have been out there for 20 years or 30 years, it's not important to me. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| You cannot just judge a story just on one person's angle. | ||
| So even though that's a little bit stupid, just being like, well, I mean, you've got to ask if this guy's the CIA. | ||
| That's a little bit overly paranoid. | ||
| same time, Carrie is coming in with a position of like, Hey, you talk to this guy. | ||
| If you want to believe him, that's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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There's not any kind of desire to convince him that Really, of her correctness in the position, it's sort of like, yeah, believe it or the fuck you want to believe. | |
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| I gotta go to Barcelona. | ||
| Do you know how great Spain is this time of year? | ||
| I find the only issue being that she called him a journalist. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| Other than that, I think she's still shooting fire. | ||
| And that she's really wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But who cares? | ||
| In the same way she doesn't care if Kevin believes this guy who contacted her, I don't particularly care if she decides to believe. | ||
| Mark Richards. | ||
| Yeah, this phone call should be over, unless he's got like, okay, cool, now that we've got that question out of the way, what exactly was Mark Richards doing at this time? | ||
| Tell me about that so I can refute it later on. | ||
| That's a whole different thing. | ||
| He was in space. | ||
| Okay, cool, I will tell people that then. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was great meeting you. | ||
| Click. | ||
| So, instead of that resolution to the call, Kevin... | ||
| He stammers some more, and then Carrie gets a little bit aggressive on him. | ||
| Let me ask you this, Kevin, because obviously this guy had nothing new to add. | ||
| No. | ||
| Have you ever investigated a false flag? | ||
| No, just wait one second. | ||
| Have you ever investigated a false flag? | ||
| Do you know what I mean when I say a false flag? | ||
| I know what you mean by a false flag, yeah. | ||
| I'm a psychic. | ||
| I know what you mean by a false flag. | ||
| Okay, have you ever tried to investigate one? | ||
| Well, let me ask you this. | ||
| Would you put these links out in a new video just to say, "Look, guys, here's this case." No, because I don't... | ||
| No, that's not what I do. | ||
| I have no interest in that. | ||
| I mean, I'm not a reporter trying to investigate his murder case. | ||
| But then, if I was covering... | ||
| If I was covering the Mark Richards stuff like you have done... | ||
| You did! | ||
| And if someone else came to me with... | ||
| Well, you knew about the links before. | ||
| You knew about the 23-plus links online anyway, right? | ||
| It's out in the public domain. | ||
| You can investigate the case anytime you want. | ||
| Why wouldn't you just have the opposing there in the video to say, look, here's what he's saying. | ||
| No, actually, that's not what my job... | ||
| I mean, everyone does what they want to do about these things. | ||
| My job and our discussions are not about a murder for which he was framed over 30 years ago. | ||
| I mean, she's wrong, obviously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it isn't her job. | ||
| No. | ||
| She's right. | ||
| Does he put links to why fucking channeling is bullshit under all of his videos? | ||
| What are you talking about, you idiot? | ||
| Yeah, it's such hypocritical expectations of another con person. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And, you know, whatever. | ||
| I wish they would all get right with the story or whatever. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It would be nice if everybody had a more rigid sense of... | ||
| We'd live in a better world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would love it if Carrie, with the access that she has to Mark Richards, actually took the story seriously and told the fullness of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't think that's her job either. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I don't know what her job actually is. | ||
| It's entertainment. | ||
| Isn't it just being a space weirdo? | ||
| The only thing that's dangerous about it at all is people thinking it's real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And a lot of people do, but... | ||
| There's going to be people who believe crazy stuff is real all the time. | ||
| She's just one in the large family of people who are tricking people with entertainment, and so is fucking Kevin. | ||
| Yeah, I would prefer... | ||
| If people are going to believe weird bullshit, I would prefer if every InfoWars fan who believes that weird bullshit would go over to Swery Carey and believe that bullshit. | ||
| At least that's slightly less damaging. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| There's a lot of overlap, as we've seen. | ||
| But it would... | ||
| I would say Carrie is by degrees less dangerous than Alice. | ||
| If the rallying cry was not, they're going to take our guns and more, the raptors are coming, I'm okay with that. | ||
| But the raptors are coming is a good thing. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Well, the reptoids are fighting them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the raptors are coming to help us with the reptoids. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| And the mantids. | ||
| And spider leadership. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, as you asked, what happened? | ||
| Why isn't Mark guilty? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He was off-planet. | ||
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Naturally. | |
| As Carrie explains in this clip. | ||
| And also, I think this clip is kind of where I turn the corner on, like, I don't want to defend her anymore. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I still think he's being rude to her, but I lose all interest in defending her after this. | ||
| In my view, he's completely innocent. | ||
| He was off the planet when the fucking murder happened. | ||
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Well, if that's the truth. | |
| If that's the truth. | ||
| If you don't understand, I mean, I have so much evidence of the way this works. | ||
| Have you ever looked at Obama's birth certificate? | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| You've really got to get a grip. | ||
| This is a whole different way of looking at reality. | ||
| The false flags, the reason I ask you about false flags is that if you investigate false flags... | ||
| You begin to go down a rabbit hole, which is unbelievable, of people who are lying about people being killed. | ||
| Listen to my interviews with James Fetzer. | ||
| Ask yourself why YouTube doesn't want those interviews out there in the public. | ||
| They've deleted them off my site. | ||
| He's an ex-Marine. | ||
| He's a tenured professor for zillions of years. | ||
| He's written over ten books. | ||
| He's a heavy-duty investigator. | ||
| He's a very respectable man, and he investigates in minutiae every false flag that has happened in the United States. | ||
| He's obsessed with it. | ||
| And so what you really have to do is look at the false flag, start to see how evidence can be manufactured by the secret government, by... | ||
| Law enforcement under orders from higher-ups, etc. | ||
| and disappeared, etc. | ||
| You really have to go down that road. | ||
| It's a fascinating journey and I encourage you to take it. | ||
| I don't have time right now to educate you as to all the steps, but I can encourage you to watch my James Fetzer interview, which is no longer on YouTube. | ||
| It is now on Steemit and also on, what is this called? | ||
| BitChute. | ||
| Bitchute is a place where people who get thrown off other social medias end up putting videos. | ||
| I like that she didn't even know that this was going to be played on another show. | ||
| No. | ||
| And she's still got a plug-in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's good shit. | ||
| And you know what else? | ||
| That's professional behavior. | ||
| This is being played on Kevin's channel and on Freedom of Joyce. | ||
| And I'm certain we have more listeners than both. | ||
| Combined. | ||
| Which makes me feel a little bit awkward about this. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Carrie has more listeners than us, probably. | ||
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So there we go. | |
| But these two, I think... | ||
| No. | ||
| I think it's minuscule, comparatively. | ||
| But at the same time, it's a continuation of a storyline. | ||
| So I feel bad punching down, but... | ||
| In this case, it's kind of inevitable. | ||
| It's got to go. | ||
| It's got to go. | ||
| So now, in that last clip, we see the difference between, or the point at which, where that defense goes away. | ||
| What I'm talking about is the defense of like, yeah, Carrie, it's not her job to say that Mark was a murderer and is making all this up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not her job. | ||
| She's telling a story, all this. | ||
| And I could kind of see it there. | ||
| I think I would probably feel differently if there was any chance Mark was going to get out of prison. | ||
| I think I would feel very differently. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Because then I'd be like, oh, he's going to start a cult that actually could get some traction. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| But since he's locked up, it's kind of just sci-fi novels that people are internalizing as real. | ||
| Now, the flip side of that and where that logic goes astray is James Fitzer. | ||
| Jim Fitzer. | ||
| Carrie does have a responsibility to point out one of the things that he thinks is a false flag, and that is the Holocaust. | ||
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| Ouch! | ||
| So when she's talking about, like, he's a great scholar, and they're like, alright, but you do, like, that is where you do have a responsibility, I think. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| So Fetzer is a really interesting clue, like, as we already know now why, but it's a clue as to how bad Carrie actually is. | ||
| I think it's a Rosetta Stone that you can use to translate. | ||
| Oh, so that's why those videos were taken down, is because he's a Holocaust denier. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay, that's good. | ||
| She should have put that in the why did they not want to. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that one would have been nice. | ||
| So his case is actually really interesting, because in the early 2000s, Fetzer was a very popular conspiracy theorist. | ||
| He was an actual professor, and because of that standing, his arguments about JFK and 9-11 were immediately elevated and given the appearance of credibility. | ||
| His work was shit, and most of it was entirely debunked. | ||
| And the rest of the stuff that isn't debunked is just the stuff that's too absurd to even debunk, like the ideas that 9-11 was done with super-powered lasers. | ||
| I like it, though. | ||
| But even so, even despite all of his work being shit, he achieved a celebrity status in Conspiracy Worlds, and he was the toast of the town. | ||
| He's a Holocaust-denying Hamamoto. | ||
| Well, but here's the thing. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| And he went full Holocaust denier along the road. | ||
| He wasn't initially. | ||
| When he was putting out these theories about 9-11 and JFK, he was coming at it from a perspective of entering the conspiracy world. | ||
| It's unclear exactly why he decided to go in the Holocaust denial direction, but some have suggested that it was the natural conclusion to the path he was on. | ||
| Fetzer's career was characterized by severely uncritical readings of primary sources and a nearly pathological drive towards sensationalism. | ||
| He never cared too much about academic rigor and was constantly chasing the high of making claims that got him attention. | ||
| It feels like it might have only been a matter of time until he realized that denying the Holocaust would perhaps be the most sensational thing he could do and there was plenty of bad information he could misread to defend his claim. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty much top of the list in terms of... | ||
| Wild, out there claims that will get you, you know, there's no going up front. | ||
| A lot of attention. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Bad attention. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's a lot. | ||
| What else can you deny or call a false flag that's bigger than the Holocaust? | ||
| Well, I mean, he did write the book No One Died at Sandy Hook also, so that got him a lot of attention. | ||
| Yeah, that's troublesome. | ||
| So on May 21, 2013, Jim Fetzer gave a speech at an event at Madison, Wisconsin, hosted by jazz musician Gilad Atsman, where he came out publicly as a Holocaust denier. | ||
| This makes sense because Atsman believes that the narrative of the Holocaust is a religion for socialist... | ||
| order. | ||
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Okay, that might be troublesome. | |
| In 2017, Atsman put out a book that argued that Hitler will be vindicated by history The book has been described by a United Kingdom Jewish watchdog group as, quote, quite possibly the most anti-Semitic book published in this country in recent years. | ||
| That's an accomplishment, though. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You've got to give them that. | ||
| You've got to give it up to the Somali pirates. | ||
| You've got to give it up. | ||
| You've got to give it up to them. | ||
| So anyway, Fetzer likes to hang out with that guy, and he gave a speech at his event where he decided to argue publicly for the first time in his career that the Holocaust was a false flag. | ||
| I love that it's put on by a jazz musician. | ||
| Holocaust never happened? | ||
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All right, we're going to play some Miles Davis over here. | |
| So in 2015, Fetzer started publicly supporting the Paul McCartney is dead conspiracy theory. | ||
| That same year, he released a book called, quote, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either, subtitled The Beatles, The Holocaust, and Other Mass Illusions. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| That is a fucking title. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is... | ||
| Man, that is a title. | ||
| One review of the book said it is, quote, poorly researched and badly edited. | ||
| Which I believe. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| But, you know, that suggests that he can turn a phrase. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is where we get to learn something about Carrie Cassidy that changes my tune on pretty much all of this. | ||
| After Fetzer started denying the Holocaust, he wasn't really as hot an item in conspiracy circles anymore. | ||
| It really says a lot about someone if they're still interested in interviewing Jim Fetzer in the present day. | ||
| Jim Fetzer has been on Project Camelot as recently as October 19th, 2018, where he did a two-part episode about how Christine Blasey Ford was engaged in a PSYOP against Brett Kavanaugh, which is suspiciously exactly what Alex Jones believes. | ||
| So, I've been defending Kerry to a certain extent. | ||
| And mostly because I think Kevin Moore is a dick. | ||
| He's being a dick to her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the same things I'm defending her for, there is a bad version of the same behavior. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And I think it's important to recognize that, you know, you gotta look at things on a sliding scale with people like this. | ||
| Yeah, no, they're... | ||
| Like, not telling people that Mark Richards is a murderer is kind of funny. | ||
| It's kind of funny in terms of lack of integrity. | ||
| Not telling people that James Fetzer is a Holocaust denier is irresponsible and dangerous in terms of academic dishonesty or intellectual dishonesty. | ||
| We've always known she's got some solid anti-Semitism going on, but having the Holocaust denier on there kind of raises that up to a larger red flag for me. | ||
| What do you call it? | ||
| Sweeping it under the rug. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Not addressing it. | ||
| Yeah, this is one of those, you know, I got no heroes here, and it's fun to let them slap fight, but, you know. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, I can say you both suck, but I can still... | ||
| Even if I don't like either of them, say, you're being a dick to the person I don't like. | ||
| Yeah, I suppose maybe my largest issue is how awful he is at talking. | ||
| He's pretty bad. | ||
| I don't want to talk to him. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Carrie just outright tells Mark, not Mark. | ||
| Carrie outright tells Kevin that this information that you're coming to me with, I know all about it, and it's bullshit. | ||
| Dear Kevin, shut the fuck up. | ||
| If you want to believe evidence that you see in front of you that these people think they're giving you and so-and-so, it's your choice. | ||
| You have to rely on your intuition. | ||
| You have a freedom of choice. | ||
| You have to rely on your ability to investigate. | ||
| And if you think that I should be putting those links on my website, I appreciate your opinion. | ||
| But I'm not doing it, okay? | ||
| Because I think it's bullshit. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| And I think that's fair, too! | ||
| I think it is! | ||
| I think she's right! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I don't... | ||
| Again, I do think that the motivation largely comes from a preservation standpoint of, like, well, my narrative would be completely destroyed if everyone believed that he was a murderer, and just making all this shit up and tricking me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not going to post this stuff. | ||
| I don't have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a weird dynamic at play. | ||
| Yeah, she's not going to be able to weave in, oh, I was wrong about him murdering somebody, but he's still right about everything else. | ||
| Yeah, that's carrying too much weight. | ||
| He was off-planet on a secret space program mission, because it's established that he's lying about that, then it calls into question... | ||
| His integrity about all other space-related claims. | ||
| About literally anything, yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Kaoya makes probably the worst defensive mark she could possibly make. | ||
| The Holocaust didn't happen! | ||
| That's her friend. | ||
| The murder happened, right? | ||
| So who did kill him? | ||
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Who did kill him? | |
| And claimed that I masterminded it. | ||
| How can I counter that? | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| It's a method of the mind. | ||
| You're talking about a man who didn't come with any kind of instrument, show up on the scene or anything. | ||
| He was supposed to have masterminded. | ||
| That is a mental... | ||
| Did David Koresh mastermind, you know... | ||
| Whatever that was called. | ||
| I guess, no. | ||
| Waco. | ||
| You know, are these people responsible? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, did Jesus persuade people of things, or did he verbally get, you know, did you record his voice? | ||
| Did he actually write in the Bible those words? | ||
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Well, we don't know any of that, but we're talking about this particular case. | |
| You know, I mean, this is what we're talking about. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| You know, you're talking about... | ||
| It's basically when you reduce it all down, it's fucking word of mouth. | ||
| There's nothing that can prove it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, that's a little bit not fair. | ||
| It's word of mouth. | ||
| Yeah, it's also word of mouth that Mark... | ||
| Is everything word of mouth then? | ||
| Well, I guess so, yeah. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| If that's... | ||
| If your argument is David Koresh didn't have anything to do with Waco and fucking Jesus wasn't real. | ||
| Well, I don't know if she was saying that Jesus wasn't real. | ||
| I think she was more saying that Jesus didn't actually persuade anybody of anything. | ||
| It wasn't a mastermind or something. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| If you take that standard to sort of universalize it, everything on her show is word of mouth. | ||
| Were you there on the moon? | ||
| Word of mouth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you going to Indiana tonight to do a show? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Word of mouth. | ||
| I'm not going to be there. | ||
| I don't know if you're going to be... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You might just be fucking trying to get out of plans we didn't have tonight. | ||
| Well, then you are a very discerning fellow. | ||
| Discernment! | ||
| So the claim is that... | ||
| Actually, what's going on here is there's a straw man in play. | ||
| And that is that Carrie has taken the mastermind idea. | ||
| Mark masterminded this murder and turned it into he was mind-controlling these 17-year-olds into doing his bidding. | ||
| Because that's an easier thing to argue against than he paid them. | ||
| He promised them a car. | ||
| She just doesn't understand the definition of the word mastermind. | ||
| Yeah, it takes on superheroic connotations to her. | ||
| And because of that, she attacks that mastermind idea. | ||
| By blaming potential other people who might have mind-controlled Crossy Hoover, and it's the Nazis. | ||
| Professor X, Jean Grey, any number of these. | ||
| It's the Nazis. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You cannot prove that those 17-year-olds were brain-controlled by him. | ||
| Who else could brain-control, and who's very likely to mind-control people? | ||
| Well, hello, the Nazis. | ||
| Well, hello, the people that took over mind control technology from the Nazis, which is the secret government. | ||
| Well, hello. | ||
| He had this idea. | ||
| Is it Martin Richards an individual or is it the state? | ||
| You know, you put your allegiance with the state in this conversation, certainly. | ||
| And, you know, all I'm saying to you is that's not my point of view. | ||
| I see way beyond that. | ||
| And I've got proofs for so many years. | ||
| And, you know, it's just ridiculous. | ||
| A little condescending there. | ||
| I'm way beyond that. | ||
| At the same time, though, she swung me a little bit with, like, you're just talking for the state. | ||
| Yeah, I know! | ||
| My anti-establishment, anti-authority bone has been triggered. | ||
| I used to do the same thing. | ||
| I was like, yeah, man, he's talking for the... | ||
| Oh, shit, right. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| But that's how this stuff works. | ||
| That's how the manipulation works. | ||
| So in this next clip, Carrie is really condescending. | ||
| He called her out of the blue. | ||
| She doesn't need to have this argument. | ||
| I'm not judging the condescension because I think he deserves it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at the same time, she should have hung up. | ||
| She can just stop at any time. | ||
| There's no reason this call needed to be like half an hour long. | ||
| It's absurd that it is. | ||
| It just gets to her being rude to him. | ||
| But one of the things she's rude about is so fucking awesome. | ||
| You have to put your mic down for this next clip because it's kind of subtle. | ||
| But in the middle of it, Carrie complains about the lighting in the interview that she did with Kevin Moore. | ||
| Because she did that interview and she complains about the visual of the interview. | ||
| And twice, Kevin mutters in self-defense. | ||
| But it's kind of low. | ||
| So just listen for that. | ||
| It made me laugh so hard. | ||
| All I can tell you is look at Obama's birth certificate and ask yourself, that fucking guy was president of the United States and the lies are just so plentiful. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| So, you know, get a grip. | ||
| This is the reality we live in. | ||
| You know, I didn't create it, but I can tell you that if you want to believe the evidence that this man is showing you that's already very much in the public domain and has been for 30 God years, God knows how many years, you know, Do so. | ||
| It's alright. | ||
| If you want to put it on your website, if you want to put all the links for people, you've done an interview with me, which is not very nice because it was visually... | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| But aside from that, you know, I think my information was good and clear. | ||
| I mean, people, I don't encourage people to think what I want them to think. | ||
| I want them to think for themselves. | ||
| But I'm not, on the other hand, I am not going to become, you know, a worker for the state and post their bullshit. | ||
| I'm not going on to mainstream news and post their lies. | ||
| I mean, I'll post what I feel is the closest thing to the truth and allow people to decide for themselves. | ||
| If it wasn't coming from her, I think that that's a good position. | ||
| That was borderline a St. Crispin's Day speech for me. | ||
| That was like, hell yeah. | ||
| I saw you getting real pumped. | ||
| I'm not going into the fucking state. | ||
| I'm going to do whatever needs to be done. | ||
| If you knew nothing about Carrie Cassidy, you'd be like, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Let's fucking do that. | ||
| The mainstream media, all their lies. | ||
| You hear that sort of stuff and you're like... | ||
| Yeah, I'm into this. | ||
| You go to her channel, it's like, oh, here's a Holocaust denier. | ||
| Oh, here's somebody talking about ant aliens. | ||
| Troublesome. | ||
| Oh, here's people talking about fighting Beatles in Vietnam. | ||
| You know, it would have been a very different speech that Patton had given if he started with, and also the president's birth certificate is fake. | ||
| Anyways, let's go fight World War II, guys. | ||
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Come on! | |
| But man, I think it's so funny how sort of... | ||
| Cowed he is. | ||
| It was visually awful. | ||
| It wasn't bad. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| My interview was good. | ||
| You're mean. | ||
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That is the... | |
| It's so funny, too, because Carrie, like, visually, her videos are just garbage. | ||
| They're just, like, kind of grainy Skype calls. | ||
| He had cameras. | ||
| This is not the pot calling the kettle black. | ||
| This is watching the pot and the kettle stare each other down. | ||
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
| So, at this point, you get Kevin talking about the Pendragon of it. | ||
| And the idea that Mark had intended to set up a new Camelot. | ||
| And Carrie realizes, there's a lot of times people have used the word Camelot. | ||
| Why don't I yell about it for a little while? | ||
| And then at the end of her yelling... | ||
| She reveals something about her former partner in Project Camelot, Bill Ryan, who is no longer with the operation. | ||
| He is apparently... | ||
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Dead? | |
| Nah, he's like fled to Ecuador or something like that. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| He's in some like central South American country. | ||
| I don't know what he's up to, but he seems like he doesn't like what's going on with Carrie much. | ||
| And he's not into Mark Richards. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So of course he has that going for him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's got to be got if you're not into Mark Richards. | ||
| But she's not talking negatively about him here. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I think she knows better than that. | ||
| He knows too much. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But this is weird. | ||
| You know, he did talk about he wanted to isolate a part of Marine County and transform it into the model of Camelot. | ||
| I mean, you know... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That sounds kind of benign to me. | ||
| What's the model of Camelot? | ||
| I mean, you know what? | ||
| Kennedy and Jackie were known for the return to Camelot. | ||
| What are you going to do about that? | ||
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Can you sum up something, too? | |
| Well, no, they've not murdered anyone. | ||
| What do you want to accuse me of? | ||
| As far as you know, people could say, I'm fucking crazy. | ||
| I think I'm the reincarnation of Guinevere. | ||
| What are you going to do about that? | ||
| I sound fucking crazy. | ||
| I can tell you that Bill Ryan comes from the Arthurian bloodline, according to Illuminati, that we've got proof of that, okay? | ||
| You know, he's O-negative. | ||
| What do you want to do with that information? | ||
| Do you want to say we're crazy? | ||
| Is he really a descendant of the Arthurian bloodline? | ||
| He's been told by several psychics he is. | ||
| You know, that's my intuitive take. | ||
| He doesn't claim it. | ||
| He doesn't even like hearing that. | ||
| But, you know, what do you want to do with this stuff? | ||
| It sounds outlandish. | ||
| It sounds like we're all fucking crazy. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And if you want to come to that conclusion, you're very welcome to do so. | ||
| Now, Kevin was trying to make a pretty good point, and that is like, alright, Bill Ryan thinks he's descended from King Arthur. | ||
| He hasn't murdered anybody. | ||
| Which is kind of the crux of the conversation. | ||
| I really love a good, what do you think about that, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I swear he had a couple of those moments there. | ||
| Here are the places that Camelot has come up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kennedy's. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| What do you think about that, huh? | ||
| My show is called Project Camelot. | ||
| Bill Ryan had psychics tell him he's descended from King Arthur, who never existed. | ||
| How about you go into a trance and tell... | ||
| Tell me about your Arthurian bullshit. | ||
| He's O-negative. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Good arguments all around. | ||
| I like the O-negative. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's that band, Type O-negative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you do about that? | ||
| Oh, you got me. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Kevin is talking about going to this conference called Contact in the Desert. | ||
| He's not talking about going there and realizing Mark is full of shit or anything like that. | ||
| He's just bringing it up almost in a way as to say, like, I went to this conference and I got a little bit disillusioned with the UFO community. | ||
| But Carrie thinks that someone poisoned his mind against Mark Richards there, the contact in the desert. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And so she turns on contact in the desert. | ||
| A heel turn for the ages. | ||
| You know, I think there's truth out there. | ||
| This is my take on it right now, especially after being at Contact in the Desert and AlienCon. | ||
| There's truth out there. | ||
| Yeah, you know, Contact in the Desert is a fucking can of worms. | ||
| A lot of those people are mind-controlled. | ||
| They're lying through their teeth. | ||
| They're not being honest. | ||
| And I can go right down the list of speakers and tell you who's lying. | ||
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I mean, you know, if you're using that as a reference or some kind of logical... | |
| But, I'm sorry. | ||
| No, I was going to say to you that going through these places, there's about 20% of truth, if that, and 80% bollocks, if that, 20% is true. | ||
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Fine. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's so much disinformation in the UFO field. | ||
| So much. | ||
| It's ripped apart by disinformation. | ||
| Ripped apart. | ||
| Yeah, it certainly is. | ||
| I would say... | ||
| You gotta throw the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| When it's an 80-20 bullshit ratio? | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Probably a good idea to start from scratch and see if you can get it at least up to 50-50. | ||
| Hold yourself responsible, then, for creating spaces wherein you don't let the bullshit in. | ||
| Because if that 20% is so real and so valuable, and you know what? | ||
| I'm sure there are some ghost alien researchers who aren't wacky nonsense. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I'm willing to believe that such a person exists. | ||
| I've yet to see them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In an infinite universe, yes, all things are possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if that person does exist, then it behooves them to preserve that 20% by harshly excluding the 80% of liars. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Because if you don't, those 80% are going to thrive. | ||
| And you know what they do? | ||
| They support each other by helping protect each other's cons. | ||
| The same dynamic we're talking about about not vetting your guests is what those 80% do to make sure that they remain the 80% in that space of liars. | ||
| And by the way, it's 99 or 100. | ||
| It's pretty much 100. | ||
| It's pretty much 100. | ||
| It's shit. | ||
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And you know what else you're behooved to do? | |
| Exactly what Kevin is doing about Mark Richards, but also about yourself. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| What he's doing is a new con. | ||
| It's a new hustle. | ||
| He's trying to create legitimacy for his discernment about his channeling and his own business by putting a feather in his cap of taking out Mark Richards. | ||
| It's disgraceful. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like a cannibalistic exercise that he's going through. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| He's willing to take the risk of eating himself by attacking... | ||
| Carrie. | ||
| In order to try and take over her market share. | ||
| He won't, though. | ||
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No. | |
| Because no one other than us is even paying attention to this bullshit. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| The possibility that his documentary could be seen outside of the space-interested community in these worlds, it seems low. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's about the possibility of me getting a half hour on Netflix. | ||
| I don't think that he has much to worry about in those communities, like with him going after Mark Richards, and then people are like, wait a second, you run a psychic hotline. | ||
| No one's going to make that transition, because the only people paying attention are within the community already, and they already believe the other stuff. | ||
| There aren't people externally looking into this stuff, because it's so subterranean. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It's so far outside of what most normal people pay attention to. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And so these cons get to flourish. | ||
| And, I don't know, it's a little bit of a bummer, but... | ||
| It makes for more fun for us. | ||
| I'm a little bit put off by this entire conversation now, because now it seems like Carrie is full-on bullying him, you know, and really, like, trying to steamroll over him. | ||
| Well, but you have to consider that she's been putting up with this for, like, 20 minutes on the line, and, like, within the first five or so, she was like, if you don't have new information, this conversation isn't really, you know, we don't have anything else to talk about. | ||
| So, I understand why she would steamroll him. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Because she's sick of the bullshit, and she can't attack him in a way that would be useful. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I also find him to be manipulating and goading her into this bullshit. | ||
| So, I don't like... | ||
| Like, it was fun whenever Swery was doing just great. | ||
| And now it seems like he's putting these little needles in everywhere he can. | ||
| He's trying to goad her into screaming. | ||
| And it's that manipulative bullshit of somebody who's like, yeah. | ||
| It seems like that could be subconsciously what he's doing. | ||
| But I also just think that he doesn't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems like a lack of awareness on his part of like... | ||
| I do believe that there's a possibility that he's just wired in such a way that he doesn't think that Carrie knows all this stuff, and he thinks he's bringing her new information, and then when it's like, oh no, I already know all this stuff, it's all bullshit. | ||
| He doesn't know where to go with it and doesn't want to sound like an idiot on the phone, so he's trying to find different ways to bring up the same information, and Carrie's sick of it, and is just like, do you fucking know about false flags, asshole? | ||
| Do you know about this stuff? | ||
| Oh, sure, he was trying to start Camelot. | ||
| My show's called Project Camelot. | ||
| Bill Ryan has Arthur's blood. | ||
| That was a bit of an escalation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that kind of makes sense in terms of a phone call you don't want to be on. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I get where you're coming from. | ||
| But I think it could all be him being a poor communicator out of his depth in terms of communicating with someone who's like, she's done this before. | ||
| Someone's called her a liar before. | ||
| Yeah, but at the same time, he's purposefully recording this. | ||
| But so is she. | ||
| Oh, she's recording it too? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She brings up, like three minutes in or so, she's like, I'm going to record this. | ||
| So they're both recording it. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Kevin tries to pretend that when he had Joanne on the show, he was skeptical. | ||
| I think some of the things he mentions and talks about, I think when I interviewed Joanne about years ago, I mean many moons ago, I just thought, God, this is so far-fetched, some of this stuff. | ||
| No, that is not at all how he comported himself. | ||
| He was helping her make the narratives. | ||
| He established on his own, without her helping at all, that Mark was off-planet. | ||
| When the murder happened, he was an active participant in the far-fetchedness of it. | ||
| The very first question, I believe, was like, everything that you say is true. | ||
| Tell me a little bit more about that. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| So at the end of the interview, if you can call it that, phone call, annoyance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kevin just kind of gives up on what he's trying to do because I think he realizes, I've hit a brick wall. | ||
| There's no real point here. | ||
| I should have hung up a long time ago. | ||
| This is rude of me to have continued. | ||
| And Carrie's just like, I don't really care what you do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is fair. | ||
| You're small potatoes. | ||
| I don't think it's that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it is a secureness in her... | ||
| Established delusion. | ||
| I know whatever information you're going to throw at me. | ||
| I've decided what I believe. | ||
| Now you decide what you believe. | ||
| Let's live our lives. | ||
| I don't care what you do. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| But like I said, I never went to him. | ||
| This guy came to me. | ||
| It wasn't like I was even looking at this, but it was just interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| I mean, you don't have to let me know what you're going to do. | ||
| Just do whatever you do. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| To me, you know, to be honest. | ||
| I mean, it really doesn't. | ||
| I mean, you can do what you do. | ||
| You're an independent agent, and if you want to let Joanne know that, you know, as a journalist, you're going to do something, you know, whatever, that's fine, too. | ||
| I mean, you have contact with her, I'm sure. | ||
| If you need her email address, I'll send it to you. | ||
| But that's, you know, I mean, it's really neither here nor there what you've said to me in this conversation because it's not anything I'm not aware of and have dealt with. | ||
| Not just to do with this case, but so many others. | ||
|
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It's unbelievable. | |
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And they say farewell. | ||
| And I would say, outside of defending a Holocaust denier, I don't think that Carrie did any... | ||
| Like, I support pretty much her entire position. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Except for... | ||
| And it's a big accept. | ||
| That is... | ||
| It's a big caveat. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| Defending a Holocaust denier is tough. | ||
| For me to get over. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think I can. | ||
| But in terms of social dynamics, Carrie was well within her right to be rude and swear at him and all that. | ||
| He's being a dick. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And him playing this on Terry Joyce's show is also... | ||
| Is doubling down, yeah. | ||
| It's also being a dick. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Now, at the same time, Carrie's being a dick to him in the present day by having that weirdo follow him around. | ||
| Do a quote-unquote investigation about him and call him a pedophile. | ||
| She's way out of line, too. | ||
| I got no one's back. | ||
| With the exception of her being rude to him, totally understandable. | ||
| On the phone. | ||
| Yeah, on the phone. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| I'm rooting for... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to root for Carrie on this one. | ||
| I want her to win. | ||
| And then I want her to be eaten alive by somebody else. | ||
| I'm going to root for some sort of government regulation on propaganda. | ||
| No, maybe not. | ||
| I think that would be too easy to spiral out of control into suppressing all speech. | ||
| I'm rooting for all of them to just have some actual exposure of what they put out into the world. | ||
| We need... | ||
| Are you rooting for some sort of ironic punishment? | ||
| We need Kevin's documentary being made by not him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what you need. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And you need a documentary about Project Camelot being made by someone who isn't also a fucking channeler. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like, someone who doesn't have to protect the business. | ||
| Someone who can actually be like, this is how the sausage is made. | ||
| They're a bunch of dicks. | ||
| Someone who doesn't channel a fucking ghost and then have that ghost tell him how great he is in his own voice. | ||
| And how he doesn't have to do a character. | ||
| You don't have to modulate your voice because you are such a good boy. | ||
| So now it's interesting that you bring that up, the channeling portion, because we get back to Terry Joyce and his interview. | ||
| They come back after playing the tape, and there's a lot of casting aspersion on Carrie. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Terry believes that Carrie might be working for Michael Aquino, who, as I understand, is dead and was a guy who's... | ||
| Not a problem in this world. | ||
| He started an offshoot of the Church of Satan. | ||
| It's a bunch of... | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| Not a problem in this world. | ||
| Dead or alive! | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| Everybody's helping everybody out. | ||
| Terry brings up that Carrie is like... | ||
| She seems to have a lot of people who are criminals who end up as guests on her show. | ||
| That seems like an important caveat. | ||
| Yeah, that's a fair point. | ||
| John David Morton. | ||
| The Mark Richards, there's some others that I don't know. | ||
| I'm not going to necessarily double down on because I haven't looked into them myself. | ||
| I don't know if they're actually criminals, but it is an interesting trend. | ||
| And a lot of them are criminals who seem to be interested in fraud. | ||
| If not convicted, still eligible to be a criminal. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| They're eligible for a felony. | ||
|
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Fraud types. | |
| If anybody was looking in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip from their interview, they've had that conversation, and they get around to talking about Simon Parks, who is the former MP from England, who says that about once or twice a year he has sex with an alien, and he's a fervent defender. | ||
| of Mark Richards. | ||
| He is one of the ones who Carrie goes to all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Simon's got the information. | |
| He talks to mantid beings. | ||
| They got Mark's back. | ||
| They vouch for all this. | ||
| I remember liking him as an MP. | ||
|
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I thought he was doing a pretty good job. | |
| He'd be better than Nigel Farage. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
|
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Almost certainly. | |
| Simon Parks claimed that he had an intelligence contact in the UK. | ||
| Who vouched for all of Mark's stuff and could prove that Mark wasn't lying about all this bullshit. | ||
| Well, he was an MP, so he would have access to that. | ||
| I don't think he is anymore. | ||
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Look, I don't want to split hairs. | |
| He claimed that he had all this proof, and then Kevin contacted him and was like, well, if you have the proof, I'm more than happy to look at it. | ||
| Like, obviously that would change everything. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| And Simon won't let him see all the proof. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
| It's classified. | ||
| So Kevin has decided he's lying. | ||
| GHCQ wouldn't allow that shit out there. | ||
|
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No, no, no, no. | |
| Home Office says no, sir. | ||
| No, thank you. | ||
| So I'm going to go ahead and agree with Kevin that Simon is definitely lying about this shit. | ||
| But where Kevin takes that is problematic. | ||
| As we know that he channels aliens. | ||
| When you're prepared to lie to an audience that size, right, and keep a straight face, what other bullshit are you talking about on your other parts of your information that you're giving out, right? | ||
| I hate him. | ||
| I hate him so much. | ||
| No, it's totally crazy. | ||
| You're not allowed to say that. | ||
| It's totally crazy. | ||
| You're just literally not allowed to say that. | ||
| He has tons of videos on his YouTube channel where he just closes his eyes and is like... | ||
| I am now talking from an alien. | ||
| He's lying with a straight face! | ||
| He doesn't always have a straight face. | ||
| Sometimes he's smirking. | ||
| Yeah, which is even more infuriating! | ||
| You can't be like, okay, if Simon Parks is lying about having documents about Mark Richards, what other bullshit is he doing when you channel fucking aliens? | ||
| If you're willing to channel aliens on your show, what other bullshit are you doing? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| But that's part of why I entirely believe that this is all part of an intentional strategy, which is Kevin wants to corner the market of safe to that community debunkings. | ||
| He wants to take the space of skeptic within the community who also still runs a psychic hotline. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He wants that space really badly. | ||
| And I take that from this. | ||
| At the end here, where he's laying out some plans to make more documentaries. | ||
| I just wish that, I hope that if this just helps one person, this information in this interview, then job done. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I will be walking away from it at some point and starting another documentary. | ||
| Simon Parks will be a documentary that I am going to be doing as well. | ||
| So will Corey Goode and David Wilcock, okay? | ||
| But not from this space. | ||
|
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Do you think that they're also fraudulent? | |
| Not from this anger. | ||
| You hear that at the end? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm gonna make documentaries about these people, but not from the same place of anger. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| He's coming from a place of anger with Carrie, which is unhealthy. | ||
| Certainly seems out of line with what those aliens you channel would want you to do. | ||
| Or even just Oasis would tell you not to do this. | ||
| The band? | ||
| Don't look back in anger. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Don't do it! | ||
| I think that he is a completely fucked up dude who's operating from a position of bad faith and doing something that obviously we want to be done. | ||
| That's what sucks. | ||
| I can't trust his Mark Richards documentary. | ||
| Well, I mean, some of the information probably can. | ||
| If you verify it and all that, but I can't trust the intent of it because it comes from him. | ||
| I want a Mark Richards documentary. | ||
| I would even want a fucking Simon Parks documentary. | ||
| I bet that would be amazing. | ||
| That would be incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Talk to people who worked with him in the government. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be... | ||
| So awesome. | ||
| No, the moment he was like, I'm going to do a documentary about Simon Parks, I had all these ideas, and I was like, yeah, that's a great idea, man. | ||
| That'd be fucking great! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think that these topics are great for documentaries, and great for documentaries coming from a critical perspective. | ||
| But I don't want him doing them. | ||
| God, it'd be even more... | ||
| Because it only is in service of him... | ||
| Establishing a position of unassailability. | ||
| Because then he could be like, I channel these aliens and be like, are you fucking serious? | ||
| Look, I'm skeptical. | ||
| I took her down because... | ||
|
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That only increases my legitimacy. | |
| You know I'm telling the truth because look... | ||
| I am a skeptic towards this, so my channeling, I obviously have interrogated it and did a cursory Google search on every ghost that I'm fucking channeling. | ||
| It's building a wall around himself to deflect attacks of him being full of shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I can't support that. | ||
| Well, at the same time, trying to siphon away Carrie's audience. | ||
| God, he's such a dick. | ||
| He's a real dick. | ||
| What is this dude's fucking deal? | ||
| I hate him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I really would be even more, I'm going to be so mad if it turns out the documentary is just fucking perfect. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| He nails it, everything. | ||
| I've seen some of the other stuff he's made, and it's not as professional, you know, like his vlogs and stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't inspire a ton of confidence. | ||
| And his trailer, though it contained clips of interviews that I think might be interesting to see. | ||
| The voiceover was terrible. | ||
| The editing wasn't great. | ||
| So if he's working, if that's a sample of the work, I think that it could be... | ||
| Not that good. | ||
|
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Oh, man. | |
| It's not going to Sundance. | ||
| I really hope that... | ||
| Actually, now I'm hoping that he never releases it because I feel like people are going to demand that we do an Endgame-style coverage of his documentary. | ||
| I'm willing to do that. | ||
| I'm willing to do all sorts of things. | ||
| I'm willing to go to the UK and interview Simon Parks. | ||
| I do want to do that. | ||
| I'm willing to make a documentary about it. | ||
| I'm not willing to do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, now, it's interesting here that... | ||
| Kevin Moore is on this show, this Terry Joyce, the Freedom of Joyce show. | ||
| And he's going on and on about discernment. | ||
| We've heard him within the interview with Terry and in the call with Carrie say discernment multiple times. | ||
| It's all over the place. | ||
| It seems like the buzzword of the day. | ||
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This is what it's all about, discernment. | |
| It's one thing to let something awful slide when you're just coasting in life. | ||
| Granted, you're coasting while pretending to be able to channel alien intelligences, who could probably easily have told you Mark Richards was full of shit back when you interviewed his wife. | ||
| But you could see how that might be a low priority for these aliens to tell you about things. | ||
| Yeah, they've got bigger fish to fry. | ||
| So that's the difference of discernment. | ||
| Discernment is something you must practice. | ||
| So back earlier, he could make the argument, I wasn't practicing this discernment about these topics. | ||
| But now discernment is key. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| So Kevin says in this interview with Terry that this is a very important interview. | ||
| This was an important interview I thought I'd do with you. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| And right now I'm at war. | ||
| That's how I feel. | ||
| So this is a very important interview for him. | ||
| And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you go on the Freedom of Joyce show, it seems like just one in a long line of instances where Kevin Moore shows shitty, shitty discernment. | ||
| Because for one, he's saying it's an important interview. | ||
| Like, this video's been up for a couple days now. | ||
| It has a couple hundred views. | ||
| Did she make it on the radio, though? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| And I don't think the audience is much more than that. | ||
| This is a... | ||
| Very small audience that he's speaking to. | ||
| This is not an important interview for him to do. | ||
| Doubtful. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I wonder if she put in the comments of the YouTube video a lot of links to showing how much of an asshole that Kevin is. | ||
| I would love that if that was the case. | ||
| That debunked his bullshit. | ||
| That would be awesome. | ||
| I mean, he would want that, right? | ||
| Ostensibly, that is what he hopes for all of the people who interview anybody to do. | ||
| Put in these fucking links to show where he's full of shit, right? | ||
| You gotta provide both sides, Dan! | ||
| It seems unlikely, because even though at the beginning of their interview they talked about how Carrie doesn't vet her guests... | ||
| And about how Kevin and Terry, they would vet. | ||
| They would absolutely sit down and vet their guests. | ||
| And here's why I don't think she does that. | ||
| One, she's doing this interview right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Two... | ||
| She's had Randy Kramer on as a guest, who's the super soldier who Carrie has also had on, who told stories about going to space and then miraculously being returned into his bed minutes after he had left, after years of fighting in space. | ||
| Yeah, but the space ghost that Kevin Channels told him, that was true. | ||
| So, I mean, his story is no less or more credible than Mark's. | ||
| It's just he didn't murder a guy. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| That should give you a lot more points, though. | ||
| You do get points for having a guest who hasn't murdered a guy. | ||
| You don't get points. | ||
| You get a pass. | ||
| It doesn't matter that you interviewed a guy who lies about space because he didn't murder a guy, I guess. | ||
| So you have the same guest there. | ||
| That shows that your discernment or whatever is probably about the same as Carrie's. | ||
| I have strong reason to believe that Terry Joyce, her discernment is far worse than Carrie's. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Because there's a guy who's been on, I think, once, maybe twice on Project Camelot, who has been on Terry's show 17 times. | ||
| That's probably too many. | ||
| That's Steve D. Kelly, the guy who believes that there is an alien base under the Getty Museum. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now. | ||
| In his defense, there is. | ||
| She is a huge fan of Steve Kelly. | ||
| Anybody with the tiniest amount of discernment would be able to watch a video of his and be like... | ||
| Oh my god, this guy is a fucking creep. | ||
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He has no evidence to back up anything he's saying. | |
| And then if you had any bit of vetting that you wanted to do, you could dig in. | ||
| I think I did this within an hour, two hours of just looking into it. | ||
| Oh my god, this guy seems like someone who steals people's guns, who sent them to him to have lasers put on them. | ||
| That's right! | ||
| That fucking guy! | ||
| Seems like this guy is a weapons thief. | ||
|
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He's a bad dude! | |
| I actually went to the Getty Museum, and let me tell you something. | ||
| It's a great museum. | ||
| No aliens. | ||
| No aliens. | ||
| Great museum. | ||
| You should know this. | ||
| It would have been better with aliens. | ||
| I know this from going to Terry's YouTube page. | ||
| She's also been to the Getty Museum, which she live-streamed when she was on a tour with Steve Kelly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So did they go down? | ||
| No. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| They couldn't find the elevator? | ||
| They wandered around the fucking outside and he's like, now you see this wall here. | ||
| The slope of this wall is so they have a good shooting position from up top. | ||
|
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He was a tour guide for a tour that doesn't exist. | |
| Yeah, it's an unauthorized tour that he gives of the Getty. | ||
| He wanders around outside. | ||
| And man, the outfit that he is wearing is... | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| What does he look like? | ||
| So he's got long hair. | ||
| He's an older gentleman with some long hair. | ||
| He's rocking sunglasses. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He has a button-up shirt. | ||
| No undershirt? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Wear an undershirt. | ||
| Also unbuttoned. | ||
| No! | ||
| Not all the way. | ||
| But enough. | ||
| But too far. | ||
| I would say three buttons. | ||
| No! | ||
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No! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I get it's nice. | ||
| The weather's nice in California, dude, but come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the way up. | ||
| It's real, like, this is how you decided to dress up? | ||
| To give a tour of the alien space-based Getty Museum? | ||
| I think I might get the appearance that you don't care. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a lack of professionalism here, certainly. | ||
| I do like the idea... | ||
| You maybe don't care that people take you seriously, because you know you're full of shit. | ||
| That's the vibe I'm getting. | ||
| I like the idea of giving a bunch of fake tours at different monuments. | ||
| Like, I want to go to the Tower of London and be like, aha, see, now if you went down this elevator here, you would find the first ring of Nazis! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, she has a bunch of bullshit going on on her website. | ||
| If there was any discernment being exercised by any parties, none of them would talk to each other. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, anyway, here's... | ||
| None of them would be doing what they're doing, period. | ||
| No. | ||
| So here's the last clip. | ||
| This is how the interview ends. | ||
| And again, it just reinforces that Kevin is a fucking asshole. | ||
|
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Is there anything else that you would like to add to the interview that you just, you know, as a button or something that you want to make sure that those who are listening to my channel or listening to American Free Radio... | |
| Yeah, Kerry Cassidy, I hope this documentary that I'm putting together absolutely destroys your channel and takes your work and yourself. | ||
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Down. | |
| That's what I want to say. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| Is he recording a shoot promo? | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| I'm coming for you this Sunday. | ||
| Listen up, Carrie! | ||
| So, I just, you know, I can't walk away from that without, like, thinking you're... | ||
| He's just an asshole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a total asshole, and I hate that, because I want to support the debunking of these people. | ||
| Playful debunking of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It seems like he's a malignant narcissist who took that phone call really personally. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, he got browbeaten, and he was like, I'm not gonna let somebody do that to me, and so I'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to destroying Swery Carey. | ||
| I would be lying if I said that that wasn't a thought that definitely went through my head while I was listening to this. | ||
| That's personal. | ||
| He's coming from a place of anger making this documentary. | ||
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He even said that. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He said when I talked about David Wilcock. | ||
| When I do those documentaries, it won't come from a place of anger. | ||
| When she gives him a chance for the last word, it's, I hope that I destroy you. | ||
| Fuck you, man. | ||
| It is also hard not to... | ||
| Now, the sample size is small, but it's hard not to notice that of the people he's doing documentaries about, the one he's filled with anger towards is a woman. | ||
| But I think he might also have that anger towards Simon Parks. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| But I don't know. | ||
| It's hard to tell from the context of what he was saying about his future documentaries. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| And if I had more anecdotal evidence or more actual evidence to say that he... | ||
| Had anger towards women? | ||
| Believe me, I would bring it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that Carrie probably shamed him a little bit. | ||
| And rightfully so. | ||
| He was being a dick in that phone call. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| And yeah, maybe he's responding. | ||
| In a chauvinistic way. | ||
| His anger comes from a place of his masculinity being attacked. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't have enough evidence, but it certainly would fit a pattern of other people's behaviors. | ||
| It's strange to me that he played that phone call. | ||
| Like, it was his choice to play that phone call, because he does not come off looking good. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| So I listened to all this, and I came away feeling a bit empty and a little bit confused, because... | ||
| On the one hand, I'm defending Carrie, yet it's qualified defense. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's not a sense of like, yeah, she's right, fuck this guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think fuck this guy, but not because I'm defending her. | ||
| I'm just being fair that he's being rude, and also being fair that Carrie, her behaviors can go too far, and when they do, you end up defending a Holocaust denier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's not cut and dry. | ||
| It's not black and white. | ||
| And I realized that what was going on was that I was having a crisis of discernment. | ||
| I was having a real problem with the very thing that this episode seems to be all about. | ||
| Now, Jordan, what if I told you that I found the perfect place to learn about discernment? | ||
| Microsoft Encarta? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| What if I were to tell you... | ||
| That Kevin Moore has channeled aliens about the very issue of discernment. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Really? | ||
| We're doing this? | ||
| That can't happen. | ||
| That can't happen. | ||
| Paradoxes aren't real, Dan. | ||
| Is there a sinkhole in time around him? | ||
| Here is a video that Kevin Moore put out a couple years back where he channels the alien group The One. | ||
| That's the people that he talks to. | ||
| Were they a K-pop band? | ||
| Might as well have been. | ||
| So here's where he channels them and gets some information about what is discernment. | ||
| It is a good question. | ||
| We would say... | ||
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He's got music in the background! | |
| ...that to have true discernment, one has to be in complete control. | ||
|
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Of their truth to begin with. | |
| One has to know that in order to take back your power and know your truth, you must firstly learn to listen to your very soul. | ||
| Nope, nope, stop it. | ||
| I gotta pause here really quick as we get through this. | ||
| Try and pinpoint. | ||
| You're taking notes. | ||
| Try and pinpoint any concrete thing that he actually says. | ||
| You have to listen to your soul. | ||
| Did he open by reading the dictionary definition of discernment? | ||
| No. | ||
| The one's not really interested in Webster's? | ||
| Okay. | ||
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What he did, he opened with closing his eyes and making a scrunchy face. | |
| To that which your eyes look out of. | ||
| To that which is inside you. | ||
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Of your body. | |
| Okay. | ||
| To that which you came here with and you shall leave with. | ||
| The only thing that will always be a constant. | ||
| Your soul. | ||
| At that point, he smirks. | ||
| He smiles as if like... | ||
| I pulled that one. | ||
| Yeah, that's such a, like, ooh, how great was that? | ||
| I landed that. | ||
| That line went well. | ||
| That was almost the improv line where he was like, I surprised myself with how bullshitty fucking profound that sounded. | ||
| That was exactly the vibe I got from the visual of it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So far we've got that discernment is something that comes from within you and you have to listen to your soul. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I feel like he would be Stefan Molyneux if enough people paid attention to him. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think, honestly, I hate to say this, because Stefan Molyneux is fucking stupid. | ||
| Stefan Molyneux is way smarter than Kevin Moore. | ||
| Kevin Moore is so fucking stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And to learn what it is, and what it says, and how it says it. | ||
| Your soul, that is. | ||
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Why? | |
| It's intent towards any current situation that you may be going through. | ||
| It is your one true... | ||
| Alarm. | ||
| Your one truth to yourself. | ||
| Your one all-knowing, all-loving part of you, to you, for you, for others as well. | ||
| To find this, you must go deep within and say, does this situation feel right? | ||
| Or... | ||
| No! | ||
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Does it really... | |
| Upset me. | ||
| No! | ||
| You see, sometimes... | ||
| That's not how it works! | ||
| ...it gets a bit silly, you could say, on the way that you go around such situations where you get so lost in the situation of, oh, does this feel right? | ||
| Or, no, no, I'm not feeling right, this is not right, I shouldn't be doing this. | ||
| And you get logic mixed in with emotion, mixed in with emotion, mixed in with logic, logic, logic, motion. | ||
| And it's never coming from that pure place of your soul. | ||
| So at this point, I want to point out that it's strange that these aliens that he's channeling have the exact same verbal tics as him. | ||
| I was just about to fucking say that, you asshole! | ||
| I was going to be so smart, and now you made me feel like an idiot. | ||
| I channeled you when I said that. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| It's so weird that you can listen to him in an interview and a private phone call and he has the same... | ||
| You would think that if the alien is speaking through him, they would... | ||
| He doesn't have to change his voice. | ||
| I think that they would probably still change word choices. | ||
| Stammering. | ||
| Because stammering is just looking for words. | ||
| It's just how the... | ||
| It's not always looking for words. | ||
| It can just be a vocal tick, but... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But largely, it's a way that you cover... | ||
| Your brain trying to come up with the word you're looking for. | ||
| I do it all the time. | ||
| If aliens were guiding the words coming out of your mouth, unless they, I don't know, use your brain to come up with words, which I guess would just mean they're you. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Anyway, he's not done. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| These are all alarm bells, in a sense, that go off to help you recognize. | ||
| What's true and what's not for yourself. | ||
| But what we are talking about here is the most important part of it all. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| You should have started over after that one. | ||
| Now, these situations, remember, as long as they're not knowingly hurting somebody else, yes, then there's nothing wrong. | ||
| What?! | ||
| Because if you're knowingly hurting someone, I... | ||
| It would be wise to stop straight away, because you have no right to do that. | ||
| You don't think you do. | ||
| You're just rambling now, buddy. | ||
| But how would you like that? | ||
| We still talking about discernment? | ||
| You would not. | ||
| So, how joyous is a situation is one way... | ||
| To find that place. | ||
| No, it is not. | ||
| Does it spark joy? | ||
| It does not. | ||
| He's condoing. | ||
| That is not how discernment works. | ||
| Discernment does not factor in your joy. | ||
| Apparently it does. | ||
| Another is through being very still and being sure as much as you can be that the feeling of This feels right. | ||
| Is for your highest best. | ||
| Now, to be able to get to those situations or places, shall we say? | ||
| Shall we say? | ||
| The shall we say? | ||
| The one thing aliens often remark is, shall we say this? | ||
| Would an alien say situations instead of situations? | ||
| Or an alien, uh... | ||
| Places. | ||
| The shall we say, those are like, that would be like me trying to pretend that I'm channeling an alien and say, this is reasonable. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I just say almost compulsively as a tick. | ||
| You can edit. | ||
| You can do takes, man. | ||
| You don't have to do it all. | ||
| Clearly edit in a bed of music underneath this. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| How do you watch yourself doing this and go, this is fucking gold. | ||
| Gone through. | ||
| And trusted that gut feeling a number of times. | ||
| And if you're not too sure how to trust that gut feeling, as we have said to you before, the best way is little, small decisions that you call getting to that place of feeling what the gut's saying, feeling where the joy is, feeling what the feeling's telling you. | ||
| Small. | ||
| Situations where small decisions are to be taken. | ||
| Small, small, small. | ||
| And then... | ||
| You're so fucking stupid. | ||
| ...and the bigger ones come along for you may need to say to yourself, right, do I move away? | ||
| Do I not? | ||
| Do I take this job? | ||
| Do I not? | ||
| Do I put this investment money here? | ||
| Do I not? | ||
| Those bigger decisions... | ||
| Aliens are really... | ||
| ...you can then use the same, apply the same... | ||
| Do the same principles, and you'll only come to your highest truth at the moment. | ||
| Aliens are really into portfolios. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, they have to be. | ||
| They lost a lot of money when Bitcoin took that crash immediately after, so now they're hyper-aware. | ||
| Yeah, they follow John McAfee's Twitter, and they got burned. | ||
| But, like... | ||
| What he's talking about there is really elementary, basic self-help type stuff. | ||
| The idea of if you have a difficult time making decisions, one strategy that is very powerful is being mindful of smaller decisions and building the confidence from those smaller victories and smaller decisions where you did make a choice, whether it goes badly or well, knowing that you made a choice and everything was okay. | ||
| You know, building up your confidence from that. | ||
| This is 101 self-help type stuff that he's just repurposing and regurgitating under the guise of speaking for a fucking group of aliens. | ||
| Yeah, this is bad. | ||
| Now, as I was listening to this, one of the things I thought was very interesting isn't anything that he's saying. | ||
| It absolutely is not. | ||
| It's self-help 101 stuff, and if somebody gets some positive out of that, then great. | ||
| It's bad that you're attaching it to aliens. | ||
| But it's fine if someone... | ||
| Takes that and gains power over their ability to control their own life. | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hurrah. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I don't also think it's that interesting that he's pretending aliens talk to him. | ||
| Because we've already kind of talked about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, on its face, it's absurd. | ||
| Especially considering all of the... | ||
| Smaller parts of it where it's very clear that it's him trying to come up with words and he's thrilled with himself that he came up with a word. | ||
| Fucking write it down before you do it! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| I hate this! | ||
| But I think that that's what I'm trying to get to that I find really interesting and I realized as I was watching this he can't really come up with it ahead of time because I think that what's actually going on is almost a genre of performance. | ||
| If you want to take it from an anthropological, sociological level, what he's doing is expressing a modern version of performance. | ||
| It's kind of an oral tradition. | ||
| The way he's using these terms and talking about that which comes from within, those aren't words that he gives a shit about. | ||
| Those are signals of an oral tradition that comes down from people trying to rip off... | ||
| Eastern traditions. | ||
| People who have channeled aliens in the past. | ||
| It all funnels down in this oral tradition. | ||
| And he's just trying to become a part of it. | ||
| He's trying to express that oral tradition. | ||
| So if he's thinking he's channeling aliens, which I don't think he is. | ||
| I think that that is a willing misconception. | ||
| Yeah, that one's on purpose. | ||
| But what he's actually doing is tapping into an oral tradition. | ||
| That these people have established in the past, I don't know, hundred years? | ||
| All the way back to Edgar Cayce, all of the people who channel bullshit. | ||
| He's taking the terms and taking the ideas from that that's built up in his subconscious. | ||
| So when he's sitting there and he's looking for words or feeling like something is coming through him, he's... | ||
| Willingly misleading his audience into thinking it's an alien group, in reality what it is is a corpus of... | ||
| Work that's existed from those people. | ||
| Yeah, the spiritualist revival of the early 1900s. | ||
| And I think that's interesting. | ||
| I think that angle on it is actually more interesting to me than just calling him an outright charlatan. | ||
| Because then you can kind of get into how this exists in this continuum of information. | ||
| When you look at it as a type of performance, it kind of... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it's still misleading and dishonest, and he's using it to try and make money off people in psychic hotlines, but it becomes much more interesting to me. | ||
| I think what I find interesting about the channeling videos, based on all of his other scams, is that these seem less like channeling and more like daily affirmations. | ||
| Like, these seem like he's more talking to himself in almost a, you know, a diary fashion of, like, writing down, here's what I'm going to do. | ||
| I'm going to make small decisions, and I'm going to be mindful of that. | ||
| And he's just packaging it in this way because, hey, if you're going to write a diary, you might as well try and monetize it, right? | ||
| Well, to be fair, some of the videos that he has deal with, like... | ||
| That's how Gil Vare got going. | ||
| Well, some of them have to do with, like, Atlantis and Roswell Crash. | ||
| And stuff like that, but we didn't listen to those because the word of the day is fucking discernment, and that's what we get when he starts rambling about discernment. | ||
| So we get to the end of this, and I would say that my discernment tells me that Kevin Daniel Moore is, first of all, a piece of shit. | ||
| He's a charlatan, and he's running a scam. | ||
| This is an elaborate scam, and Carrie is the victim of it. | ||
| And sure, Carrie sucks too. | ||
| You know, no winners. | ||
| But she's our carry, okay? | ||
| You yelled at me for saying that last time. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| So, anyway, this has been our Wacky Wednesday adventure of Kevin Moore doing some stuff. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm interested how this has metastasized and spread. | ||
| Just looking at... | ||
| Mark Richards' interviews on Project Camelot has now spun out of control where we were listening to Carrie interviewed by Kevin Moore, and now we are listening to Kevin Moore being interviewed by someone else. | ||
| While playing a phone conversation with Carrie. | ||
| This is completely out of control. | ||
| Everything is going crazy. | ||
| Next Wacky Wednesday, we're just going to listen to Terry Joyce interview somebody. | ||
| I wonder what she's up to. | ||
| Nothing good. | ||
| Probably hanging out with Steve Kelly, talking about how they need to storm the Getty. | ||
| Ah, that would be fun, though. | ||
| No, it wouldn't. | ||
| Yes, it would. | ||
| No, it wouldn't. | ||
| A lot of people would die. | ||
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Well, once you triggered the defenses, then we're a real issue. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm saying that I believe Steve and Kelly would bring a bomb. | ||
| That's what I believe. | ||
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No way! | |
| He wants to get in! | ||
| You don't blow up the outside. | ||
| You have to blow up the outside to get inside. | ||
| No, that's not how it works. | ||
| I think that human life would be lost. | ||
| And it wouldn't be because there's Nazis under there. | ||
| I'm going to go with traditional Death Star rules. | ||
| You've got to get the bomb into the center in order to get rid of the whole thing. | ||
| If you just blow up the outside, that's cosmetic damage. | ||
| You can always rebuild the Getty Museum. | ||
| You're still talking about a bomb? | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| Fair enough, fair enough. | ||
| So, anyway, we'll be back on Friday with a new episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| And if you want to find more information about Larry Nichols singing, go to his YouTube page. | ||
| We are also on Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, we are at knowledge underscore fight, and I'm at go-to-bed Jordan. | ||
| Yep, and we're on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| All sorts of other places where you can get podcasts around this here internet. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| For now, as we come to the end of this, I don't think Kevin Moore has killed anybody, and that's good for him. | ||
| Yeah, but he channels a bunch of ghosts who have. | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| He's making that up. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| That's all bullshit. | ||
| He's killed my ability. | ||
| Nah, he hasn't. | ||
| I didn't have any ability to believe this stuff beforehand. | ||
| He's killed the definition of discernment. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's murdered that. | ||
| He has beat that into the ground. | ||
| But what he hasn't done is kill anybody. | ||
| And one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |