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May 24, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#300: May 21-22, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan stick around the present day of the Alex Jones Show because they are gluttons for punishment. In this installment, the gents find Alex being a real asshole about Somali immigrants, speculating about black pyramids, and interviewing a Scottish dog trainer/bigot.

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alex jones
18:34
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dan friesen
01:29:20
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jordan holmes
27:24
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millie weaver
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Do you have a piece of pop culture, something that you re-watch or re-read or re-listen to over and over and over again?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, are books pop culture?
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I re-read, yeah.
dan friesen
I revisit the book Steppenwolf a bit.
jordan holmes
Do you?
dan friesen
In terms of lower pop culture, maybe.
I used to watch Lost about every few years or so.
jordan holmes
The whole series?
dan friesen
Yeah, I'd go back and try and re-watch the entire thing because I loved Lost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Do you still do that?
I don't, no.
I don't think...
I think they're still on Netflix, so that was a problem.
I don't know.
I also don't think I'd have the patience for it.
I'm so much busier now than I used to be.
Rewatching eight seasons of something would be a disaster.
jordan holmes
That's a lot.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think there are many things for me.
I think the closest I can come is that I've read Steppenwolf a number of times.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
How many times do you think?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Eight?
Seven or eight?
unidentified
Eight?
jordan holmes
I think that's respectful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think I've read...
dan friesen
Some of the Lovecraft stuff I've reread, but not in the same way that I hear this from people, like, now that Game of Thrones is over, I've heard a lot of people talking about, like, I can't wait to get back to my yearly rewatch, where I'll now have the final season.
jordan holmes
Yearly rewatch?
Ooh, that's not good.
dan friesen
I've seen people expressing stuff like that, and I don't have anything that's on that level of repetition.
jordan holmes
I have...
dan friesen
What, Dune?
unidentified
What do you got?
jordan holmes
No, I have The Life, The Universe, and Everything, and So Long and Thanks for All the Fish by Douglas Adams.
Those are the two books that I read over and over and over again.
dan friesen
And I have since I was like 14. I probably did that as well when I was younger.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that was probably a part of my canon growing up, but less so in present day.
jordan holmes
And now when you reread something like that, it takes me an hour to reread So Long and Thanks for All the Fish because I've got most of it memorized.
It's just me scanning through pages reminding myself of who I am.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
This is a podcast where you know a lot about Douglas Adams.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
And I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
We know a lot about individual guys, and I don't think we know much about either of our irrespective specialties.
dan friesen
Maybe I know a little bit about Douglas Adams, and you know a little bit about Alex Jones.
But anyway, this is a podcast where we talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed it is.
dan friesen
Today, Jordan, you've got an interesting episode to go over.
It goes a lot of different places.
A lot of scattershot.
jordan holmes
Buckshot against the wall.
dan friesen
Shotgun full of rock salt.
Just going everywhere.
All right.
But before we get to today's business, we've got to take a little time to say thank you to some people who are signed up and are supporting the show.
We really appreciate it.
So first, Michelle, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Michelle.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Michelle.
dan friesen
Next, Luis, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Luis.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Luis.
dan friesen
Next, Matt, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Matt.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Matt.
dan friesen
Next, Katie, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Katie.
dan friesen
Katie, bar the door.
alex jones
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, finally, we've got to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level, and we appreciate it oh so very much.
We're maybe seven years late on this thank you.
But I guess back then it wouldn't be a thank you.
I don't know what I'm doing here, but thank you so much, Joseph Coney.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Joseph Coney.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Joseph Coney.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I'd like to support the show, you know, I like what these guys do, you can do that by going to our website.
There's a button on there that says support the show.
We'd appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It would be nice.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today I should let you know what the situation we are facing is.
Okay.
We're going down to the bayou?
Yeah.
I'm going to have some gumbo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, we did, for Wednesday, an episode about the present day, the 17th to the 20th.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And it was not a...
It wasn't that it wasn't pleasant.
It was just sort of like a blah.
This is the present day, whatever.
jordan holmes
That's...
Really, you know, a lot of people enjoy listening to our episodes about the present day.
I think you're the only person who...
If you were leaving a review on our own show, it would be scary.
I hate the present day episodes.
Stay in the past.
dan friesen
I don't think that our show is bad about the present day.
I think listening to his show on the present day is bad.
jordan holmes
Yes, I agree.
dan friesen
It's a frustrating experience.
Somehow we're able to...
Transmuted into something hopefully decent.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
My nickname was Full Metal Alchemist in college.
dan friesen
So we covered the 17th to the 20th, and as I was editing it to put it out, I got some updates from Policywonk Keith, who was saying that the 21st was a crazy show.
And I was thinking, like, oh, this is kind of unfair of us.
We've accidentally looked at this...
This time when the crops were fallow, and nothing was going on on the show, and maybe we just missed it by a day.
Because of our timing, we missed the goods.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, your tone of voice is betraying.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So I decided to jump in and see what was going on on the 21st.
Because I want to be overly fair to Alex and be like, okay, well, maybe the 21st was a show that was worth covering.
Sure, sure.
So today we're covering May 21st and 22nd, 2019.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And we will see if that show was as good as Policy Wonk Keith has said it is.
And in no way am I putting this on him.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, everybody right now is hearing the sound of a fucking...
unidentified
The guillotine being built for Keith.
dan friesen
I'm not making this in any way Keith's fault.
I'm just saying that when people reach out and they have suggestions, I listen.
And sometimes it leads to this.
So here's an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
If you've got allergies, you ought to be happy.
Because if you don't, it means your body might have given up.
You might be getting ready to die.
dan friesen
Out to commercial.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
It's upsetting.
jordan holmes
Is that how that works?
Is that how science works?
dan friesen
If you don't have allergies, your body might have given up.
And you are about to die.
jordan holmes
That is the best justification for having allergies being a good thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
dan friesen
So we start out today here on the 21st with Alex kind of being in a wistful mood, is what I would describe his tone and his vibe.
And I think that this might be a sign of bad things to come.
alex jones
I was kind of nostalgic for our old studio.
We're going to go back and forth different days.
So I decided to come into the studio I've been in for five, six years today.
So I was a bit nostalgic.
And I think in the next few days we'll move back into the regular new studio that's undoubtedly one of the coolest studios in the country.
But what's really important is the news and information that we cover here, my friends.
dan friesen
There's a real depressed tone.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is he playing the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald behind him?
dan friesen
A legend lives on from the Chippewa on town of my big old great studio in Cleveland.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a diary entry more than a radio show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I also think it's preemptive conditioning for his audience if they start seeing him in scaled back studios.
He can have already laid some groundwork of like, I was nostalgic.
I wasn't broke.
Right.
We didn't have to downsize.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's probably a face-saving measure.
Or maybe he's nostalgic for his old studio and what he used to have.
jordan holmes
Possible.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like, that is a legitimate thing for him, considering how his life has spiraled into whatever morass it is right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nostalgia does seem like something he could be feeling.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The salad days.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Back when I could just do whatever and marginal celebrities would come hang out with me.
jordan holmes
I was Charlie Sheen's friend!
dan friesen
Back when all my friends weren't getting milkshakes thrown on them.
So, speaking of them milkshakes, Alex is insisting...
jordan holmes
He has a strong take.
dan friesen
Well, it's not a take as much as it is an attempt to really over-exaggerate things.
He's saying now that everyone is trying to justify throwing acid on Nigel Farage.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
And it's justified by...
jordan holmes
It's a slippery slope.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
They're throwing milkshakes today, acid tomorrow.
jordan holmes
That quick.
dan friesen
Now, interestingly, Alex consistently mispronounces Nigel Farage's name in this clip, which leads me to believe maybe he's drunk or maybe he just thinks that his name is Farad.
alex jones
Left activists attack Nigel Farad.
That's right.
And now they're advocating acid attacks against Nigel Farad.
Of course, they used to have acid attacks, an Islamic favorite.
Now they have up to seven a day in London alone.
And now leftists are openly advocating and being authorized by Twitter to do a show, throwing acid on this individual.
dan friesen
This individual.
Long pause.
jordan holmes
This individual.
dan friesen
I can't remember your best friend in the UK's name.
unidentified
What are you doing?
dan friesen
That's crazy, Farad.
jordan holmes
I find that to be the nomenclature equivalent of throwing a milkshake at Nigel Farage.
dan friesen
Yeah, very unintentionally insulting.
And then also the idea that Twitter has authorized people to throw acid.
jordan holmes
They've authorized people.
dan friesen
On what authority?
jordan holmes
On the posse commentaries.
dan friesen
Sure, Insurrection Act says you could throw acid.
Oh, by the way, that's not mentioned at all on this episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
I don't believe so.
I can't remember it coming up.
jordan holmes
Never would have seen that.
dan friesen
Seems to have been dropped as a narrative.
But Alex does have some narratives that he gets into.
Some stories.
He's got a very important headline that he brings up in this next clip.
alex jones
Report.
Alleged Antioch church shooter aimed to kill 10 white churchgoers two years ago.
But the media and government covered up that it was a racial attack by a black man on white people.
dan friesen
anything in this case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, yeah.
dan friesen
There was a note that the shooter, Emmanuel Samson, left on the dashboard of his car, which was filed as evidence and not released until now because the case is currently in trial.
Previously, the police had said that a note existed, but the contents were sealed until trial, which is not super uncommon.
The note expressed a desire to get retribution for the Charleston shooting from 2015.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The blood that ten of your kind will shed in terms of vengeance.
Obviously what Samson did is detestable, and using Roof to justify shooting innocent churchgoers is not acceptable on any level.
Discussing this crime, though, is not my primary interest.
I feel like other news outlets can handle that just fine.
This is a podcast about Alex Jones, so what is important for us to cover is the disparities in his coverage that we can very easily see.
In this case, the contrast is stark.
When Alex was covering Dylann Roof's murder of nine congregants of a black church, he joked about how if that guy really wanted to kill black people, Roof should have become an abortion doctor.
And he kept his coverage largely on the this guy is nuts kind of territory, with regular insinuations that the black population in South Carolina was going to riot.
In the case of the Antioch shooting at this church, it's a pure and simple racist attack on white people, which the media has tried to cover up.
Alex does appear to be correct inasmuch as this Antioch shooting was a racist attack against white people, and if he were a normal media outlet covering the story and brought that detail up, I wouldn't really see a problem with it being discussed.
The problem is that Alex only covers cases where white people are victims as if they are legitimate hate crimes, which is why it's impossible for me not to see that kernel of truth about this attack being an expression of a racist position when it comes out of Alex's mouth.
jordan holmes
No, what happened was, so here's what was going on.
The Patriots, okay...
Gave this dude a bunch of drugs.
He was on a lot of antidepressants that the Patriots gave him.
dan friesen
Oh, interesting.
jordan holmes
And then he was mind-controlled into pulling off this shooting.
And this was entirely to get white people to get the Patriots to wake up to the threat that non-white people posed to them.
dan friesen
Let me guess.
You have deep intelligence sources that conveniently you can't bring up or anything.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to say his name, but it rhymes with Mac.
dan friesen
Okay?
jordan holmes
He told me a lot about things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, at the beginning, the first clip that we heard here was Alex hearkening back to his old studio, getting wistful and sentimental.
And that leads me to believe that the money is not good, as Alex has literally said on our last episode.
jordan holmes
Numerous occasions.
dan friesen
And it also makes me feel more sure of that position when I hear him do this incredibly lazy ad read for a new product he's selling.
alex jones
Now is the most important time to support the InfoWarp.
My friends, there has never been a more critical time to take a stand in the fight for our republic.
Globalist censorship and attacks are at all-time highs.
dan friesen
It's painfully obvious when Alex is reading something.
His reading voice is so different and so more dispassionate from his just extemporaneous speaking.
And so when you hear that, you hear the time the globalists are attacking.
That's part of the ad read.
That stuff that is consistently what he says, just shooting from the hip, is written down for him to read, and you hear how lackadaisically he's getting through this ad copy.
I think that's an important distinction, because when he's reading about the product, it's that same dull, bored voice of reading, but...
The stuff here at the beginning that leads into the ad.
jordan holmes
That you would expect to be as bombastuous as prior.
dan friesen
Right.
And the ad copy contains, as part of the ad pitch, most of his rhetoric.
There is no line of demarcation between content and ad.
alex jones
An effort to shut down independent liberty and media ahead of their real takeover that's getting ready to happen.
A violent revolution against the family, against Christians.
I mean, it's lined up.
It's ready.
In honor of Memorial Day, we are launching game-changing specials and unveiling a brand new system.
dan friesen
Did you hear that breath?
That almost sigh?
In honor of Memorial Day.
unidentified
And unveiling a brand new system.
jordan holmes
What's our system about?
dan friesen
I haven't read this copy, so I'm flying blind.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
For the total health and performance that has been in design and research and development for over a year.
It's called the 8-Pack Power Stack, which combines all the most powerful health supplements for your routine in two easy-to-use packets.
dan friesen
You laugh, but I think that's a good name.
jordan holmes
I think we should just rhyme all kinds of things now.
dan friesen
Compared to what it could have been, that's not a bad name.
jordan holmes
8-Pack Power Stack?
dan friesen
8-Pack Power Stack.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So, from what I can tell, this eight-pack power stack is just Alex trying to bundle a ton of his products together to create the appearance of a new product.
It appears that way.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a CBS lineup.
Oh, tonight we've got the eight-pack power stack.
dan friesen
I thought you said a CBS lineup.
jordan holmes
Starting with NCI.
dan friesen
Like the staff at a pharmacy?
jordan holmes
Well, that's where they commit the most crimes.
dan friesen
So the descriptions of all the elements of this eight pack are just products that he already sells.
Or at least they describe products he already sells.
Like the, quote, energy kickstart formula sounds exactly like turbo force.
The, quote, nootropic brain formula might as well be brain force.
jordan holmes
That literally...
Is just a bunch of different words that mean brain force, basically.
dan friesen
Yeah, the quote, sound sleep formula.
Sounds like it's knockout.
And on and on.
All of the eight factors.
One of them is just krill oil, which you know doesn't give you the burpees.
jordan holmes
Didn't even bother with that.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
The price of the pack is $119.95.
But if you buy now, it's only $59.95.
There's more than half off out the gates.
That screams either a hyperinflated base price or we're in real trouble with the money.
unidentified
Get an extra 10% off and enter code KNOWLEDGEFIGHT at checkout.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But here's the fucked up thing.
When I looked closer, I found that these aren't the same products.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They sound like the same, like the sound sleep formula might as well just be knockout.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But they are not the same thing.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's weirding me out.
dan friesen
I went to Infowars' website and checked the ingredient labels for the new 8-pack power stack, and none of it matches up with its existing products and what they contain.
Some of it's kind of similar.
Like, for example, any sleep aid is probably just going to have a combination of the same three or four ingredients.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But these aren't the same products.
For some of the products I was able to trace to existing things that Alex already sells, it appears that the new versions of them are just slightly worse versions, missing ingredients, possibly to cut corners and cut costs.
I don't know, though, if that's the case, but some of them are just, hey, we took the lemon balm out of Knockout, and now it's basically the same thing.
jordan holmes
That works.
dan friesen
We got way more L-tryptophan in it because it's super cheap.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you're dealing in homeopathy, really, you're selling nothing anyway, so why add or remove ingredients based on cost?
dan friesen
It is weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But this is important.
As is the case with all of Alex's supplements, he doesn't produce them himself.
To explain, the Global Healing Center run by Dr. Group does produce their own products.
Thus, he can put on his labels, manufactured by the Global Healing Center.
On the products he doesn't produce in-house, by law, he has to put manufactured for the Global Healing Center on his label.
And every product that Alex sells has manufactured for InfoWars on the label.
They're all subcontracted out because Alex doesn't have the money or the infrastructure to actually produce supplements legally on his own.
Two of the products on his 8-pack use the trademarked ingredients from a company called Natural Remedies Private Limited, which is a good indication that they were the ones who manufacture his 8-stack power pack for him.
Also, I think it's the 8-pack PowerStack or 8-stack PowerPack.
I can't remember now.
I can't remember what it is now.
jordan holmes
Boy, now I can't.
dan friesen
I know it rhymes.
jordan holmes
Is there 4 or 8?
dan friesen
It's 8. 8-pack PowerStack.
Now, what's interesting about Natural Remedies is that they're not primarily a human supplement company.
They're a natural remedy developer and manufacturer out of Bengaluru, India.
And from everything I can tell, their primary stake in the market is animal supplements.
jordan holmes
Alright, branching out through InfoWars.
I like it.
dan friesen
From a 2018 article in CEO Magazine.
Quote, Natural Remedies Private Limited.
Blending the traditional wisdom of Ayurveda with modern science to address the unmet needs of the animal health industry.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
The article describes the beginning of how the company came to be.
Quote, Years later, a rough patch came in Sri Ramlal's life when his beloved horse died, who could have been helped by the herbs which he was dealing in.
This bitter memory and closely observing the plight of farmers and treating animal diseases stimulated him to fill this gap and cure the ailments of the animal health care industry by infusing the knowledge of Ayurveda.
That's how the company came to exist.
jordan holmes
When was this?
dan friesen
It wasn't that long ago.
jordan holmes
Okay, so he's like a religious figure as well.
dan friesen
I mean, like natural healing in the Indian traditions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's a slight religious element to it, but it's not strictly religious.
It's more cultural.
jordan holmes
In his defense, when you give penicillin to a cow, it's the same penicillin you give to me.
dan friesen
Wow, but if you give the penicillin to a cow, you give the human penicillin, it'll kick you.
Very testy.
jordan holmes
Eight-pack power of Cillin.
dan friesen
Natural Remedies is primarily a business that makes products for animal health care, like their product Topicare, which is a topical spray for bovine wound care.
A few years back, they did start a human side of the business, but it only accounts for approximately 20% of their market share right now.
Their business is largely animal health.
jordan holmes
It's just Alex Jones and Goop.
Those are the only two people.
dan friesen
There's no real problem with sourcing your products from an Indian veterinary medicine company when they do have a human wing to their business, but it does raise a few questions, mostly because this is Alex Jones and Infowars we're talking about.
We do know that they have a history of treating veterinarians like human doctors and selling their products, as Alex did with Dr. Joel Wallach.
jordan holmes
Like who?
dan friesen
Dr. Wallach.
Veterinary medicine Wallach.
jordan holmes
Brilliant veterinarian Wallach.
dan friesen
Another issue is that Alex displays made in America prominently on many of his products, and we know that he has a big thing for American industries.
So it seems strange that he would go all the way to India to get different versions of many of the products he already sells Yeah, well, I mean, if he's selling it for $59.95...
jordan holmes
Right.
His overhead is probably almost entirely shipping costs just to get it from India.
I would imagine it's like one cent per an eight-pack power stack that he's paying.
dan friesen
It can't be.
It can't be.
He must be making a profit on $59.95, which makes you really question...
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
What the intention is when he's selling it for $119.
jordan holmes
$39.95 shipping from India to him, one cent for the product.
He gets an even $20 off top.
dan friesen
Yeah, that could be.
That could be.
I don't know.
I have literally no idea, but I find this very weird.
I think the thing that led me down the path of looking into the dynamics here was the fact that so many of the elements of the products are things that he already sells.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It just seems like...
If you're selling this, and it ostensibly helps you with sleep, and it gives you a nootropic, why would anyone buy any of your other products if they can get them all in this pack?
You're undercutting yourself.
To an extent.
jordan holmes
Are you undercutting yourself or are you undercutting Dr. Group?
dan friesen
Well, he's not working with Dr. Group anymore anyway.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought Brain Force and the like were still from Dr. Group.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that all of them are, but a lot of his products are.
A lot of them do have analogs that are clearly private labels from the Global Healing Center.
I don't know.
His business is really weird.
I can't understand it now.
jordan holmes
It could just be that supplements are an entirely unregulated and shady-ass business that does all kinds of weird shit.
dan friesen
Man, that's interesting.
Probably should do something about that.
jordan holmes
Probably should do something about that.
dan friesen
So in this episode, the 21st, Alex is very into being...
Shitty to Somalis.
jordan holmes
So we're no longer giving it up to the Somali pirates?
dan friesen
No, there is an irony there, for sure.
jordan holmes
Well, I'm just saying, you gotta take it back from Somali pirates.
dan friesen
He has some stories about Somalis that he wants, Somali immigrants, who he wants to point the finger at.
And in order to do that, he spends a long time...
Making fun of the idea that the people made that Bon Iver, we love, which further reinforces why I long ago said that was a bad idea.
Alex is going to use this any time there's any kind of Somali person in the news as evidence that he was right and these people are making fun of him because he's dangerously right.
Right.
unidentified
Which I think is a foolish piece of propaganda ingredient to offer him for no reason.
jordan holmes
The thing about it is that he and his ilk could never have the creativity necessary to make something like that that gets caught in your consciousness.
dan friesen
They lack humor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like creating something that is really well done and is very funny, he can continually use.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He would never have been able to make that.
If that wasn't made, it would never exist.
Do you know what I mean?
dan friesen
Yeah, I do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think we've made that point a little bit.
And it's just shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he plays the music video of it, and it's interspersed with pieces of news that he's misrepresenting about Somalis being terrifying and basically trying to...
Create the optics of, I'm right, ha ha.
You guys made fun of me, but I'm right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and now I spit it back in your face.
dan friesen
Right.
And so this clip, he talks about Somali immigrants in Minneapolis and then starts singing.
alex jones
He played that video yesterday where the filmmaker goes through Minneapolis-St.
Paul and not one Somali will tell him that he wants to live in America.
I want to live in Somalia.
You're like, well, that doesn't make sense.
You came here.
You want to be here.
But see, it's the double thing.
It's like Ilhan, the arrogance she bleeds and oozes and the hate and the sliminess and the creepiness of it.
I mean, women don't get to open their mouths in Somalia.
They're lower than dog excrement.
But here, she can pull up her skirt and just piss all over the republic, piss all over the American flag, piss in all our faces with those evil beady eyes, that evil smile, because she knows we're going to submit to her, because she's better than us, and she's going to feed on us.
Her boys are going to beat your whiteheads in with hammers, and the media's going to love it!
Because our Somalis are sweet.
Oh, that's sweet.
Oh, that's sweet.
Sweet, sweet, sweet.
unidentified
So thank you, Ilhan.
jordan holmes
Did nobody call 911 immediately after hearing that in the studio and go, we have a psychotic break occurring right now?
dan friesen
I mean, long ago I would have 5150'd him if I was a loved one.
Oh, man!
jordan holmes
That's bad!
dan friesen
Because there's only two options.
It's like, you're acting sincerely and I'm worried for your safety.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or you're doing this as an act.
jordan holmes
And I'm worried for your safety.
dan friesen
I don't know, but...
What he's talking about, the kids with hammers, we'll get into later.
That's a news story that he's covering quite aggressively.
But also, I think there at the end, he was kind of forgetting the lyrics to the parody song.
And the meter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Ooh, a spot is a sweet...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I refuse to watch whatever YouTube video Alex was talking about there at the beginning of the clip, because what he's describing isn't surprising to me at all.
He's just pretending it's an evil thing.
Like, generally, refugees are people who are not leaving their home country because they're looking for a change of scenery.
They're fleeing what often represents mortal danger, and their only hope of survival is to get out.
There are countless examples of this, ranging from the Tutsi in Rwanda in the 90s to the people in Darfur in the 2000s.
While it doesn't always have to be genocide, someone's fleeing, there's often an existential threat that drives them to leave their homeland.
Without living through something like that, it's very hard to assume what your mental state might be once you reach a country that represents safety.
On the one hand, you'd probably be thankful that the threat of the Interhomway or the Janjaweed is gone.
But on the other hand, no matter how safe and good the country you end up in is...
jordan holmes
Which ours is not.
dan friesen
But even if it were, it may never feel like your home.
For refugees, they're not just leaving a piece of land and arriving at another.
They're leaving behind loved ones, regions where they and their families may have had generations of memories and history, and they're having to separate from that place that was their home in a deeply traumatic way, with no opportunity to process the separation.
It makes total sense that part of what makes the refugee experience so difficult is a feeling that may never go away, of wanting to go back to a home that may no longer exist.
It's not a longing to live in a war-torn country because America sucks so much.
It's a longing to go back to a home they loved before the circumstances arose that required fleeing.
So when Alex points to Somali refugees in Minneapolis who say that they want to go back to Somalia, I don't feel like that's weird at all.
Nor is it any sort of denunciation of America or a display of ungratefulness or disrespect.
It just really feels like what's being expressed here is more an example of Alex's inability to feel empathy or understanding for other people's situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm really confused as to what he thinks the downside...
So because the Somalis that he hates so much don't want to be in America...
dan friesen
Well, I don't even know if what they would be expressing is a not wanting to be in America.
jordan holmes
No, in his mind.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm trying to figure out what he thinks is the problem.
dan friesen
All right, I'll let you walk me through it, because I don't know if I can articulate it myself.
jordan holmes
So they're evil, like Ilhan Omar, because they don't want to be in the country, and they're peeing on us.
Why?
dan friesen
I think that what he's trying to represent is that these Somali immigrants, as well as Omar, they long to be back in the bloodthirsty, rapacious...
Violence of Somalia.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But they've come over here in order to create it here at the behest of the globalists who seek to create a clash of civilizations in order to bring down the West.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that's what's behind what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's why they're here, though they wish to be there.
That's the version that he's selling as opposed to the idea of that it was their home country.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's always going to be a piece that longs for...
The better days.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So he's not thinking like, oh, how can we help them get back?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I don't think so either.
dan friesen
No.
I feel like that's suspiciously absent from...
jordan holmes
It seems like a more reasonable thing to say.
dan friesen
Although, I mean, if the conversation did come to that, he would be thrilled for forced deportations.
jordan holmes
Now we could just not do the forced part.
Wow.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll get back to the Somalian stuff here in a minute, because Alex gets way out of line.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But before we do, Alex has to tell a very not true story about David Knight and his wife going to an anti-abortion rally.
jordan holmes
David Knight's married?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
David Knight's wife one time in an abortion demonstration, the ante field was that.
She said, you know, I adopted a child.
She goes, yeah, you little white pig.
She goes, no, actually, it was Chinese.
She goes, oh, yeah, virtue signaling.
It'd just be better to kill that baby.
Kill babies.
unidentified
Kill babies.
alex jones
We have the moral high ground.
dan friesen
Kill babies.
So, 5150.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you...
dan friesen
You know one of the reasons I know that didn't happen?
jordan holmes
The demon screaming?
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
I mean, that is absurd.
But then the other part is that, like, the only people that I ever really hear talking about virtue signaling are his friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex and his friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those are the only people who make those sorts of accusations, at least that I can see.
I'm not saying that people on the left don't necessarily call something virtue signaling, but I would say it's a very small piece of the pie.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The people who say virtue signaling are often the people who need you to be signaling as opposed to actually be virtuous in order to kind of feel better about themselves.
dan friesen
It appears that could be the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we get back to this Molly stuff a little bit quicker than you might have thought.
It was just a short little trip down a side road to hear a fake story about David Knight and his wife.
Alex is on the warpath, as it were, against Somali immigrants, and particularly Representative Omar being a ringleader of some shit.
Sure, why not?
And he's focused in on Minneapolis, because there's a large Somali population in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and there is that story that I referenced about him, the Kids with Hammers, and he touches on that and then discusses...
The terrifying state of affairs in Minneapolis in this next clip.
alex jones
And in Minneapolis-St.
Paul, you have the leftist brain-damaged population up there where you have attacks, basically racial attacks, every day at the mall.
Little babies being thrown off balconies, little white babies, families being attacked, robbed, stabbed, and the media tries to cover it up.
dan friesen
So that story that he's telling about a baby being thrown off a balcony?
jordan holmes
Yeah, the media did not just not cover that up.
I know about that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a real story, but he's lying about the context.
So in April 2019, a five-year-old boy was thrown off the third-floor balcony of the Mall of America.
The man responsible was a 24-year-old named Emmanuel Aranda.
Aranda was born in Chicago, so he's not relevant to Alex's campaign of demonizing Somalis.
jordan holmes
Chicago, Somalia.
dan friesen
And make no mistake about it, that's the context that this clip exists in on the show.
That's what he's in the middle of talking about.
jordan holmes
No, don't you remember our sister cities, Chicago, Somalia?
dan friesen
Sure.
Mogadishu.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
There's a good portmanteau in there somewhere.
jordan holmes
It's somewhere.
I didn't find it.
dan friesen
So in 2015, Aranda was convicted twice for assaults that happened at that mall.
Both instances of him throwing liquids, once water and once tea, on women who rejected his advances.
These assaults led to him being banned from the mall, which apparently didn't take.
He arrived at the mall in April intending to kill an adult, but that quote didn't work out.
When asked about it, the quote, While obviously it's awful that anyone would throw a child off a balcony, it's kind of clear that this story is not about immigrants, it's not about racist violence, it's about a man who felt entitled to women paying attention to him, and when he didn't get what he wanted, he responded with violence.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I don't think that's how Alex wants you to play that story.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
The 2015 assaults are more than enough to establish a pattern here, and his only explanation for his actions confirms that.
Alex is completely lying about this story, and you can tell what his intentions are clearly by the way he...
He says that it was a little white baby being thrown off the balcony.
He's willing to use whatever he can to defend his whites are under attack narrative, regardless of how the stories fit or don't fit into that narrative, because he's a white nationalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's one of the more insidious things that is almost, not almost, but like, has an undercurrent.
Through everything that he claims about any violent act is that it is always an excuse for toxic masculinity if it is not a racial thing.
dan friesen
It is a trend.
jordan holmes
It is always like, oh, no, no, no.
If it's not racism, then it's false flag.
And if it's not false flag, then it's an excuse for toxic masculinity.
It's just, you know, all of that stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so at the end he says the media's covering stuff up, and that's meant to touch on this story, but then it's also hearkening back to what he was yelling about earlier with the kids with hammers.
So, in a development that will surprise no one, most of the coverage I can find about that story, about a gang of Somali youth attacking people at a bus station in Minneapolis, comes from blogs that seem pretty fucked up in editorial tone.
A post in The American Thinker accuses the media and police of covering up the attack, but the way it does so kind of tips their hand a little.
Now that the old 97%-plus Caucasian city has been made into a multicultural exemplar...
jordan holmes
All right, now I would stop right there, sir.
dan friesen
The local establishment, including the newspapers and broadcasters, is ultra-protective of its prized diversity-endowing Somali community.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, sir, I would like you to rewrite that from start to finish.
And then go hide in a barrel of water.
dan friesen
A post on Town Hall argues that the media is covering up the attack, but also it seems like it was written by a piece of shit, evidenced by him including this line in the article.
Quote, Representative Ilhan Omar, who represents Minneapolis, is probably one of the most ungrateful people we've ever offered refuge.
jordan holmes
Nope.
How about we don't do that?
I'm going to need you to go to a barrel.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Jump into it.
dan friesen
And here's a milkshake.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He writes that as if to indicate that he had anything to do with welcoming her to the country and that it's her responsibility now to behave exactly how he demands her to.
jordan holmes
Don't you remember?
dan friesen
Or else she's expressing ungratefulness.
jordan holmes
Don't you remember on every white man's birth certificate it's written, if anybody not white is not grateful to you, you get to do whatever you want.
dan friesen
The guy who runs Instapundit decried that the media wasn't putting the teens alleged to have committed this crime's nationality in their headlines and said, quote, "They were smiley teens showing their gratitude to the nation that gave them refuge." There's a super consistent trend in all this coverage that seems to be centered around the we shouldn't be accepting refugees to begin with.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
And two, if we do, they should live here as subservient, obedient, quiet things in order to show their appreciation to the white people who let them live here.
And that's a really fucked up thing.
And it's more fucked up how consistent it is in all of these articles that I've read about.
jordan holmes
We let them live here, Dan!
We...
Let them!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Every day I think to myself, thank God that I let Carol live here.
Thank God that I let Donnie.
dan friesen
I let you live here.
jordan holmes
I don't live here and you do not let me.
dan friesen
As far as I can tell, this story may well be an instance of a group of youths, possibly Somalians, attacking bystanders at a train station.
It's possible, but also these commentators that wrote all these blog posts that I've read...
They're just working off assumptions.
The police dispatch recording that was released said that they were looking for 10 to 12 Somali teens.
But that's just based on what people who called 911 said.
That doesn't mean that these kids are actually Somalian.
Just that the people or persons who called 911 described them that way.
These people could be right.
It's entirely possible.
Or it could be one of the many, many times that eyewitnesses misdescribe people.
That does happen a lot.
jordan holmes
Especially if you're in a majority white city with a high Somali refugee...
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Population.
There's a very good chance that literally anybody brown that you see anywhere you might just assume is Somali.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And we're not saying that that is the case.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
It's just a possibility.
jordan holmes
Eyewitnesses are highly unreliable.
dan friesen
But it's also possible they're right.
We don't know.
unidentified
Could be!
dan friesen
And it's irresponsible for these...
These blogs to be demonizing the Somali community and all immigrants, apparently, who need to be subservient based on non-concrete reporting.
So, if it's accurate, and this was a group of Somali teens threatening people at a bus station with pipes, or as Alex is describing it, hammers, then sure, they should be arrested.
I don't know if it serves to justify demonizing the entire Somali or immigrant communities, though.
But what's important is that these people, like Alex, and all of these publications I've cited, they don't care about this story.
They care only so much as they can use it as a prop to demonize immigrants, attack Ilhan Omar, and lament the bygone peaceful days when their cities were 97% white.
That's what's going on here.
jordan holmes
The only group that should be demonized in this story is teens because there are roving bands of youths everywhere, Dan.
dan friesen
Damn teens.
jordan holmes
You can't go anywhere.
You can't throw a rock without hitting a group of teens.
They're underfoot.
They're everywhere.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Fucking teens.
jordan holmes
So in violence.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now that I'm 35, I am fucking anti-teen.
Nine months ago, very pro-teen.
jordan holmes
Nope.
When I was 12, I was anti-teen, and it's remained that ever since.
dan friesen
We jump off the Somali narratives here, and Alex has a really interesting thing that he gets into.
jordan holmes
I find that hard to believe.
dan friesen
Well, I'm fascinated by it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Especially because of how it ends up playing out.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But Alex is responding to a story in some right-wing blogs that are attacking Bernie Sanders because he held up a chicken wing or a drumstick while taking a picture with a man who happens to be African-American.
Who cooked the chicken, right?
jordan holmes
That's so stupid!
Oh, they're calling Bernie racist.
They're calling Bernie racist.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
They are calling Bernie racist.
dan friesen
This is why it's interesting.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
These right-wing blogs are talking about that as if it's, oh, look at this, racism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex's take on it is, come on, guys.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
He's like, his version of it is, look, I hate Bernie, but you guys can't be doing stuff like this.
jordan holmes
No!
He can't do that!
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
No, but he can't do that!
dan friesen
I promise you, it's super weird, but how it ends up playing out on this episode, it gets you back to normal Alex territory.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, good, good, good.
dan friesen
And, even as he's defending Bernie Sanders about this, it does seem that he gets a little racist on his own.
jordan holmes
Well, of course.
dan friesen
So, it's still, you'll see.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I'm not defending Bernie Sanders' politics.
I'm just defending him.
He's at a restaurant showing off somebody's southern food.
My mouth's actually starting to water just thinking about a drumstick.
dan friesen
Also, a little bit later, I didn't cut a clip of this, but Alex is like, he talks about the story a little bit more, and then he's like, guys, fucking go get some popcorns.
jordan holmes
So this adds to another layer right here.
Number one, guns.
Most important thing.
Number two, we thought was racism.
Actually, number two, food.
Food trumps racism.
dan friesen
It does a little bit.
In the middle of the episode, he sends someone out to go get Popeyes.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
That's all you need to know.
dan friesen
But here is him talking more.
This clip is not done.
alex jones
And even the right wing jumped on Sanders.
jordan holmes
Even the right wing.
alex jones
A conservative ate a piece of chicken by a black guy.
The left would say they were racist.
Mass mental illness.
That's insane.
You're at somebody's restaurant.
You eat the food.
Fried chicken's great.
Everybody eats fried chicken.
What the hell are you talking about?
But again, this is how they create the mass mental illness to project racism where it isn't there and then defend real racism when black people are beating whites in the heads with hammers.
dan friesen
Okay.
I don't know if that ended well, but...
jordan holmes
Alright, so that was a real Dan Harmon story circle kind of situation.
dan friesen
I feel like you're on good territory where you're saying that everyone loves red chicken.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you've met an 80s comedian, congratulations.
dan friesen
It fell the fuck apart.
I just don't know.
So I promise you that that is only the introduction.
To what will be one of the greatest set pieces in Alex Jones history.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
All right.
dan friesen
That's not true.
But in modern Alex Jones history, this is a pretty great skit he tries to do.
jordan holmes
Are we bringing Rainbow Snatch back?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
But Alex does get that delivery of Popeye's chicken.
jordan holmes
Does he eat it on air?
dan friesen
He does.
But we'll get to that.
So, in this next clip...
jordan holmes
This does not give a fuck anymore.
dan friesen
No.
But I think there's a strategy behind it.
We'll discuss that when we get to it.
But in this next clip, Alex starts talking about the jet stream, and he has a little bit of a conspiracy about weather.
And it's not your normal chemtrail stuff.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I could use some Jets pizza right about now.
unidentified
Ooh, Detroit style.
jordan holmes
Give me some Jets.
alex jones
The reason the establishment wants me off the air is because we have a fighting spirit.
And we believe we can change things.
And we've done that thanks to the audience that's taken action.
And so we're really a blueprint for a success story.
And what I was going to do really during this little five-minute segment was get into that.
But I wanted to really make that point saliently and post it.
On the website later is a call to action.
But due to whatever's happening in the environment, almost everyone I know in Texas, when they go outside, coughs continually with not just the pollen that's in the air, but the jet stream dumps in from 35,000 feet to about 5,000 feet or less right over Texas.
And the last place the jet stream dips in is China.
So, the real reason that I would advise people actually not to move to Texas, and I'm going to be doing more reports on this in the future, is that it's not just New California, but we are basically the toilet bowl of China.
dan friesen
So, this is weird.
I think he's just talking complete shit.
Because, here's the thing, Jordan.
The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality keeps daily statistics about air pollution, and their records that are easily available online go back to 1998.
Obviously, things vary day to day, since the sources of air pollution work that way.
But if you look at the data, what you see is incredible variability, but absolutely no consistent trend of air getting worse in the last years because of China dumping things in the jet stream.
jordan holmes
I know what you're saying, Dan, but he feels right.
dan friesen
So, the Texas Standard reported in April of this year that, quote, air pollution in some cities is getting worse, it's getting better in others.
The article talks to Janice Nolan of the American Lung Association, who puts out the annual State of the Air report looking at air pollution levels in American cities.
jordan holmes
2019.
alex jones
Bad!
dan friesen
If there was one thing that Nolan points out as a source of worsening air condition, it's climate change.
alex jones
Boo!
dan friesen
Quote, with warmer weather temperatures, the more weather patterns that lead to drought, which leads to wildfires, which creates smoke and fog.
So we've seen a lot of places where climate change is definitely affecting air quality in the nation.
jordan holmes
It's not even real.
dan friesen
Houston has been pointed at as a particular hotspot of bad air, but the reasons for that in recent years were Hurricane Harvey and that fire in the Deer Park petrochemical plant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those two events unleashed insane amounts of fine particle pollution into the air.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that and Astros fans never shutting up, you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
A lot of noise pollution.
Also, the jet stream is not a stationary thing.
It's not like it starts in China, picks up some smog, carries it over the Pacific, and just drops it down over Alex's house.
jordan holmes
I think he sees almost a rainbow, you know?
Like the jet stream dips down at China, picks up whatever it is, and then just goes up and then down in a parabola right onto Austin.
dan friesen
I honestly think that he thinks that if he had the right suit, he could just jump in China and get home through the jet stream.
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
dan friesen
If I could just jump high enough.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
The problem is it only goes one way.
You'd still have to fly to China, and then you could jump.
dan friesen
If he found himself on some recon mission...
Trying to find out what the chai comms are up to and things got too real.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All he'd have to do is jump.
jordan holmes
Just jump.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
What he seems to be representing is just a very childish version of how weather patterns and the jet stream works.
There have been some studies that attract Chinese pollution to the West Coast, but I'm unaware of any proof that the jet stream dips down in Texas and drops off Chinese pollution there.
There are some indications that pollution from the California wildfires definitely reached Texas.
But from what I can tell, Alex is stretching a little bit here to explain his allergies.
Because he's talked quite a bit about his allergies in the past little bit.
And in the past.
jordan holmes
This is like Carrie's Bell's Palsy.
This is such like, oh, it's actually there's interference from space.
Scalar weapons.
Scalar weapons.
dan friesen
We know that Alex has been very wishy-washy about Trump in the past months, very much turning on him and then saying, I love him.
jordan holmes
It's an abusive relationship for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think Alex has landed.
I mean, I'm sure within a month he'll say, fuck this guy again at some point.
But because Trump has made some indications that he's going to try and force free speech, in quotes, on social media platforms and all of that, I think Alex has decided...
We're going to move forward with a pro-Trump position.
And in order to reinforce that, one of the things that he has to do is he has to try and chip into the people who have been supporting him.
And so in this next clip, he is trying to make the argument that he supports Trump, and the GOP is turning on him, as is Fox News.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Trump is finally figuring out...
The Republican establishment is planning to betray him and our populist movement in 2020.
And that Fox News is rigging debates, rigging polls, and other events against him.
Obviously.
And I know for a fact that there's a litmus test going on at Fox News on whether people will accept the removal of President Trump or not.
dan friesen
So if Alex knows for sure that there's a litmus test going around Fox News and people like Hannity and Tucker Carlson haven't gotten fired, then that must mean that though they present as being very Trump-supporting, very similar to Alex, they're clearly secretly behind the scenes willing to turn on him if the globalists remove Trump from power.
So therefore, they can't be trusted even though they look like the most vociferous Trump supporters around.
Alex is the only real deal in town.
jordan holmes
So wait, wait.
Alex is saying that even my man Steve Doocy doesn't protect the Trump anymore?
dan friesen
The Deuce is loose.
jordan holmes
The Deuce cannot be loose.
dan friesen
He is loose.
jordan holmes
The Deuce hasn't been set loose in years.
dan friesen
He is denying the Patriots.
He is saying no, sir, to the populist movement.
alex jones
God.
dan friesen
They've lost Pirro.
Janine Pirro clearly isn't even on board.
She's back on air.
jordan holmes
That's trouble.
dan friesen
You got Andrew Napolitano.
I don't know if he's still on air.
jordan holmes
I don't even know who he is, really.
dan friesen
Shepard Smith would probably be fine if they got rid of Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Shepard Smith would be fine.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
This is really stupid.
But what I think it is is just trying to find some ways to differentiate himself from these places that are more profitable than him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In a way to, I don't know, keep his people engaged.
Anyway, lest you think that Alex's talk about revelation on our last episode was a fluke.
Alex now gets into some religious talk that drifts poorly in interesting ways, I would say.
In this first clip, I don't think he understands the printing tradition of the Bible, let's say.
Especially the New Testament.
jordan holmes
Just the printing.
dan friesen
You'll know what I mean in a second.
I can't come up with a better way to say it.
jordan holmes
Is he talking about King James New International?
Not that kind of thing?
dan friesen
You'll see.
alex jones
Nothing is as telltale.
As what the Bible said.
jordan holmes
Not true.
alex jones
In fact, can we look up the verse?
I know it's in the Bible a couple times.
In fact, isn't it in red in the New Testament that Christ said, you judge a tree by its fruits?
dan friesen
I think from that...
jordan holmes
Isn't it in red?
dan friesen
I think from that, he doesn't understand that Jesus' words are always in red in most editions of the Bible.
That's a tradition of...
jordan holmes
Also, does he think that...
When it was originally written, they specifically wrote it in red?
dan friesen
I think he might.
Or that this was somehow more important among the things Jesus said.
That Jesus said it and it was in red.
jordan holmes
Well, it was red and it was in italics this time.
dan friesen
It really feels to me like he thinks that those are two different things.
Being in red and Jesus said it.
Which is not the case.
Every edition of the Bible that I've...
Maybe not everyone, but I would say a vast majority of them.
All of Jesus' words are in red.
jordan holmes
Really?
I've only ever had one Bible where that was true.
dan friesen
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe it might be more in the sort of evangelical world, the sort of new versions of the Bible.
That's definitely a pretty strong thing.
jordan holmes
Okay, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that's probably where Alex would live more than, let's say...
I don't know, a Lutheran church.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
The churches that I went to growing up, our Bibles were provided directly from the Borgia Popes.
So it was alright.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is getting into this mode where he's reading some scripture, which I would say is not a good sign for a propagandist.
jordan holmes
It really does, especially after that earlier clip where he was talking about Fox News rigging debates and all that stuff.
But whenever he was talking about the, this is actually a success story, this whole show, and I put it up and I want to put it up as a call to arms.
And you're like, no, you just wrote a eulogy is what you just wrote.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're sentimental for your old cheap studio because you know you're going to have to make peace with being in it.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's not good to hear just like outright.
Like, preaching, kind of.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is what he's doing.
He just reads a long passage of scripture in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And then he gets so weird.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This was one of the things that made me, like...
Like, when I heard him on the last episode that we did, when I heard him talking about Revelation and apocalyptic literature, I was like, well, that's pretty normal.
That's just a normal doomsday interpretation of religions.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But when he said this, I was like, this is interesting crazy.
alex jones
For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good.
dan friesen
This is the verses after the verse about you know a tree by its fruits.
And he just kept going.
But anyway, hold on.
alex jones
And an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil.
For the abundance of the heart...
His mouth speaketh.
So you ask, why everywhere does the left lust after brainwashing and sexualizing children?
Why do they lust after breaking up the family?
Why do they lust after creating crime?
Why do they lust after attacking Christians?
Why do they lust after abortion?
Because it's the abundance of their heart.
It is spiritual.
It is an operating system.
It is a trance.
It is a program.
Call it a program in the modern parlance.
Call it a spell in the ancient.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Put a spell on you.
Countries and civilizations go under mass psychosis.
And if you have leaders pushing the psychosis, once you get people to go a few degrees past their conscience and to give up on God's operating system...
They degrade to the very lowest common denominator, black pyramids eating babies.
unidentified
Every culture builds black pyramids and then starts murdering babies.
alex jones
That's the spirit, the wavelength, whatever you want to say it is.
Every culture, black pyramids eating babies.
jordan holmes
Does he say it again?
dan friesen
Well, not the eating babies, but every culture, black pyramids.
Eating babies.
So I was so fascinated by that because I'm like, that's weird.
So I wanted to get into it and figure out what this Black Pyramid stuff is about.
It just sounds like science fiction, like Stargate or something like that.
unidentified
No idea.
jordan holmes
I mean, is that the Black Materia from Final Fantasy VII?
dan friesen
Could be.
So there's literally a site in Egypt called the Black Pyramid.
It was created by Eminem Hot III.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, you said Eminem Hot.
Never mind.
I just got into my head with Eminem lyrics.
dan friesen
Sexy Eminem?
jordan holmes
It was trouble.
dan friesen
The green Eminem?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what I was doing.
dan friesen
This was a pharaoh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that construction of the Black Pyramid didn't go all that well, so it was abandoned, and he ended up building another pyramid somewhere else.
That pyramid was built during the 12th Dynasty in Egypt, after which point the civilization continued for a very long time.
Also, the Black Pyramid was never fully constructed, and it didn't happen at the end or the decline of that civilization.
Also, according to scholars, the practice of human sacrifice outside of the possible instances of killing prisoners of war in a ritualized version of capital punishment that ended around the beginning of the Second Dynasty, far before the time of Eminem Hot III.
jordan holmes
It's really easy to convince white people that...
dan friesen
People are savages?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's really easy.
Like, it's really easy.
dan friesen
You're predisposed somehow.
jordan holmes
It should really not be as easy as it is.
dan friesen
At the Giza Plateau, there are three pyramids, but there are a bunch of conspiracy theories about a secret black pyramid that was once there and no one wants you to know about.
In 1737, Danish explorer Frederick Louis Norden visited Egypt and compiled his experiences in a book called Travels in Egypt and Nubia, published in 1755.
jordan holmes
Colon.
Black pyramids?
Eating babies.
dan friesen
Conspiracy theorists have used pieces of the text to argue that there is a fourth pyramid that should be in Giza and is not, and that it was made of a black granite material, unlike the other three pyramids there.
That would be fun, if that was true.
jordan holmes
That would be fun.
dan friesen
But it's not.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
It's just the result of a mistranslation.
From the original French, Norton described the fourth pyramid as plus noir, which is to say more black or darker.
Other places in the text he specifies things that are made out of black granite.
He's clearly speaking of this as a comparative level of blackness, to say, darker.
Also, scholars believe that he mistook a satellite pyramid of one of the other three main pyramids for being a great pyramid in and of itself, so this black pyramid doesn't even seem like it ever existed to begin with.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I don't want to put too fine a point on this.
Other than these two examples, I can find no evidence of any black pyramids anywhere in the world.
Not in Central America, not in South America, not anywhere.
But I did run into a few possibilities of where Alex might be coming from.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One of these I think might be what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It would be hard to say.
The other one's a joke.
jordan holmes
So this is two truths and a lie?
dan friesen
No.
I mean, there's no guessing game here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So there's a book that was written by Joseph Bushnell Ames called Curly and the Aztec Gold, published in 1924, which features a Central American black pyramid.
The pyramid is a herald that the adventurer is nearing the location of the treasure of the Aztecs.
The problem is this was a work of fiction published in Boy's Life, specifically for the Boy Scout demographic.
It was part of a series of Boy Scout adventures, and again, it's a work of fiction, so this black pyramid was made up.
jordan holmes
Is that where City Slickers The Legend of Curly's Gold came from?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
I think it's just a coincidence.
jordan holmes
That can't be a coincidence.
dan friesen
I think it is.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
Here's the joke one.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Not too far back, Chris Brown did start a clothing business.
jordan holmes
Alright, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
His business is called Black Pyramid.
So, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Alex has been hired to do some ill-conceived buzz marketing for them.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
unidentified
But other than that, I don't know what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Black Pyramid.
Eating babies.
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what you don't get here.
dan friesen
Well, because he's saying that every culture that falls apart, which all of these cultures would be the people he's talking about, especially pyramid-building cultures, you think Aztecs, you think Inca, Egyptians.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is absent for a man.
He's just making this up.
jordan holmes
No, well, of course it's absent.
That's the proof, Dan.
Every civilization that has built a black pyramid has eaten all their babies.
When you eat all your babies, guess what?
Your civilization doesn't go anywhere.
dan friesen
You die out.
jordan holmes
The pyramid falls as a new civilization.
We know that none of our civilizations have ever reached the black pyramid-eating-babies event horizon.
dan friesen
So it's a hypothetical.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think that Alex should be pitching it this way, then.
I don't know.
I think the closest to...
If I had to guess, the closest thing to explaining what he's talking about is probably that Giza mistranslation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes the most sense.
dan friesen
Because that's pretty popular in the conspiracy world.
jordan holmes
It really shouldn't be...
One reference, one mistranslation.
One slight idiom that is missed.
And now we have a burgeoning conspiracy theory group.
That's so frustrating.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's that huge, but it does seem to imply to me that if that is where Alex is getting the information from, it should give you a sense of how little he looks into anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or he's just making this up.
jordan holmes
He could just be making it up.
dan friesen
Now they eat babies.
jordan holmes
That, of course.
He's not making that up.
dan friesen
No.
Well, yeah, he is.
But he then starts talking about the priest classes and how they...
jordan holmes
I love it when he gets into priest classes because this turns into D&D levels of, like, the priest has a plus one fucking cane of wielding.
dan friesen
So he's trying to justify his declaration that, you know, you go a little bit too far, black pyramids eating babies.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And this is how he chooses to support his thesis, and it's not good.
alex jones
Finally, they start killing their own children.
And then societies collapse.
And the final equation, the priest class kills the young priest and then slits their own throats.
That's the satanic program.
I mean, how many Roman emperors committed suicide?
unidentified
So that's an interesting, weird piece of...
dan friesen
He seems to be implying that Roman emperors committed suicide because of what he just described.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
They were in the priest class.
dan friesen
And then they ate their own babies and stuff and then slit their own throats.
That's what led up to him saying, why do you think so many Roman emperors committed suicide?
Right.
Maximian attempted to assassinate Constantine, but was caught in the act and offered a chance to commit suicide or be killed.
And he chose suicide.
jordan holmes
So that's not really committing suicide in the way that he's suggesting it.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, none of these will be.
jordan holmes
I know, but I mean, it's not even like committing suicide.
It's like a death sentence, but you get to choose.
dan friesen
Gordian was only emperor for 21 days, and after his son was killed in battle, he hung himself with a belt, knowing that his time was up, since their rule was contested as it was, and he was past 60 years old.
He was kind of fucked no matter what he did and took himself out.
jordan holmes
Again, it was a death sentence, but...
dan friesen
Well, not really a death sentence, but his life was in danger without his son to protect him.
Valentinian II is said to have killed himself by hanging, but many historians believe that's not true.
His top general, Aborghast, was a real dick and behaved in ways that might lead one to think that he felt he was the real power in the empire.
He was the one who found Valentinian hanging, and many think he killed him or paid someone else to kill him.
jordan holmes
When he started building that black period the next day, everybody was like, all right, well, this could be trouble.
dan friesen
Otho killed himself to resolve a war he was undertaking poorly against Vitellius, knowing that his death would end the conflict, and he was certain that his forces were unlikely to win against his enemy.
He said, quote, it's far more just to perish one for all than many for one.
He then went to bed, woke up the next morning, and stabbed himself in the gut.
Historians like Tacitus have noted that what he did is he sacrificed his life to spare the country from civil war, and he was looked upon as a hero after his death.
Quintilius is said to have committed suicide, but historical records are unclear.
Some say he was murdered, some say it was suicide, but again, the records aren't very great about him, so it's hard to make a definitive statement about that.
Nero committed suicide after he was informed that he'd been tried in absentia and sentenced to death by the Empire, who would ultimately hunt him down and bring him back to face justice.
Many at the time didn't believe that Nero had actually committed suicide, and that led to rumors going around that he had faked his death and he would eventually return to wage war against them.
It's a bit of an open question, but there are some scholars that believe that the prophecies in Revelation are largely about this, the coming return of Nero, who was a well-documented oppressor of Christianity.
jordan holmes
That is what I always thought that the...
I thought that was the more prominent interpretation of the Book of Revelations.
dan friesen
It is a pretty prominent version, but it's certainly not certain.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
There's some open debate about what a lot of the things mean, but there are some pretty strong indications that a lot of the idea of the return when it's discussed...
In reference to Nero and the idea that he didn't actually commit suicide.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just always subscribe to that one.
I thought that one was pretty much everybody of note kind of went along with that one.
dan friesen
Another very popular part of the interpretation, too, is that Nero had committed suicide.
But the people claiming to be Nero would come back and try and usurp power in his name.
And there were three pretenders that came and tried to pretend that they were Nero.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it did not work out well for them.
jordan holmes
They did not go from zero to Nero.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Just like that.
dan friesen
I know what you were trying to do there, but that was not good.
That was the eight-pack power stack of Jordan jokes.
jordan holmes
I'll take it.
unidentified
I'll take it.
jordan holmes
Because you're trying to do a zero to hero thing.
I was trying to do the Hercules thing and it just didn't go as well as I wanted it to.
I apologize.
dan friesen
So, anyway, the point here is that no Roman emperor has committed suicide in the manner that Alex is describing.
Two might have been murdered.
Two killed themselves to avoid certain capital punishment.
One killed himself knowing that he was a sitting duck without his son around, and the other killed himself to avoid a civil war.
Alex is full of shit.
None of this justifies his argument that they killed themselves eating babies, priest class, blah blah blah, black pyramids.
This is all just nonsense.
Anybody who listens to him, it's pathetic to think that anybody might think that he knows what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that one's crazy.
Yeah.
unidentified
That one's absolutely just pulled from thin airs.
dan friesen
air.
unidentified
But it's fun, interesting, crazy.
dan friesen
You know, like it's kind of bullshit.
I'm realizing that what I kind of resonate with in the present day, what makes it so difficult is a lot of the stuff is really dangerous rhetoric that is going to lead to people getting hurt.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like a lot of the Somali stuff he was talking about.
dan friesen
Awful.
I do enjoy how wrong he is about stuff because it allows us to be educational.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I enjoy being able to learn a little bit and explore these things and talk about what the truth is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because I'm sure that you didn't know all of the Roman emperors who have committed suicide.
jordan holmes
I did not know all the Roman emperors.
No, no, no, of course.
dan friesen
There's an educational aspect of the show that I really enjoy.
And that's why the past is more fun.
Knowing that people are going to get hurt because of what he's saying.
But it still offers the opportunities to learn and teach about stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's nice.
dan friesen
The thing is that when we are in the present day, it becomes more painful, like I said, because of the reality of the context wherein this stuff sits.
And the fact that we don't know what's coming tomorrow.
Whereas if we look at 2013, we do know what happened the next day.
And we can deal with it like that.
Because he says stuff like this that, you know, is just awful.
alex jones
And they're going to take you with them.
They're going to get you.
Unless you realize who they are and what they are and don't virtue signal to them.
Don't try to appease them.
Don't care about them.
And they're cowards, too.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, but when they confront you, it's good to let them know.
You're fallen, ugly trash.
You're failed.
Go back to your God.
Get behind me, Satan.
Because they are gone.
Their only vision is your children.
And destroying the Earth's potential.
They believe that they can attain something if they can destroy the planet.
Before we go to launch phase.
Launchment?
And they are just an intergalactic, demonic transmission, spewed out of hell, trying to bring the planet down before the next level.
But we will make the jump, and nothing's going to stop it.
Most people aren't going to make it, but it's not going to matter.
dan friesen
So, I mean, what you have there is just all of your enemies, the left, the globalists, the...
Immigrants, the LGBTQ folk, all of them are just demonic projections trying to stop us from going off-planet.
Don't care about them.
Don't even think about the ideas that they have.
All they want is your children.
That's so fucked up.
That makes it more difficult to deal with.
The opportunities to teach you about the Roman emperors are impeded by him saying stuff like that and me realizing, like, Man, if anyone believes that...
Like, if anyone believes that the Roman emperors committed suicide because they were all, like, killing kids...
jordan holmes
Eating babies, yeah.
dan friesen
Then that's a historical fiction that they're believing in.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it doesn't inform the present day as much.
Like, you know, they're not going to be able to lash out at the Roman emperors.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
When he has stuff like this, it's...
You know who the target of this is.
And it's very hard to hear.
jordan holmes
What if we all just stop doing everything?
Okay.
And just really focused on making sure people like Alex, who are saying that what's going on is we're all impeding their progress to getting off-planet.
What if we just really focused on getting them off-planet?
dan friesen
I feel like we would probably not be able to do that.
And we'd probably...
It would waste time that we need to focus on other things.
jordan holmes
I don't know!
Maybe getting rid of them all.
dan friesen
I think it's an interesting idea.
Allow them their space colony or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Maybe they're the only ones who are incompatible.
Maybe it's not Islam.
Maybe it's not Christianity.
Maybe it's just guys like Alex who are incompatible.
And they deserve their own white nation.
And that nation should be on the fucking moon.
dan friesen
I don't think there's anything intrinsically incompatible about...
White people.
And I'm not saying that you said that.
I'm not saying that at all.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Thank you.
I think if there is something that is incompatible, it's people who believe groups of people are incompatible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that mentality, it disqualifies the possibility or disallows the possibility of people living together.
jordan holmes
Of an inclusive society.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, I don't know.
jordan holmes
By definition.
dan friesen
If you wanted to have a white nationalist space colony, I feel like that might come back to bite us in the ass, though.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
No, they'd come back with fucking weapons, of course, because they think that we stole it from them, even though we were the ones, they were the ones who wanted to go.
They'd come back and they'd be like, yeah.
dan friesen
They'd create all kinds of legends about being in exile.
jordan holmes
They got kicked off and all that shit.
Yeah, no, we'd be fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think this is a good path to go down.
I feel like education is the best possibility.
We probably don't have the time for it.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
But it's the approach I'm going to stick with because I don't know if we can get him to Mars.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alex has a guest come on.
And it's a guest who's very oppressed.
And he is dealing with some tough times.
jordan holmes
Pauly Shore.
dan friesen
We've talked about him in passing in the past on this show.
jordan holmes
Pauly Shore?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's not the weasel.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Stephen Baldwin.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I knew it!
dan friesen
No, it's not.
It's a guy we've talked about in passing.
When I heard that he was going to be a guest on the show, I was like, well, I'm going to fucking punt on this.
I do not care at all.
But after listening to his interview, I realized there's a bit here that we should get into.
And here is a bit of an introduction.
alex jones
All right.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for joining us on this live Tuesday, May 21st, 2019 Global Transmission.
Count Dankula.
Is going to be joining us.
He has been put in jail.
He's facing more prison time for having his pug do a Hitler salute as a joke.
dan friesen
So, we had Count Dankula in the house, baby.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
Of course it's Count Dankula.
dan friesen
You never suspect Count Dankula.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
So, Mark Meachin, born Count Dankula, is not going to prison.
Thanks.
That's a little bit of a joke there.
jordan holmes
Are you giving me...
You're going to come at me for zero to Nero, and then you're coming at that?
dan friesen
That's a good joke.
I refuse to accept your criticism.
Sure, sure, sure.
We'll let the audience decide.
Sound off.
jordan holmes
They're going to side with you.
You're the star.
dan friesen
I don't think that's why.
I think it's because it's a great piece.
It almost feels like I should read it again.
jordan holmes
Do it.
dan friesen
Mark Meechan.
So he's not going to prison.
He was sentenced to pay an 800-pound fine for posting the video where he trained his dog to Heil Hitler.
He's refused to pay that fine and has tried unsuccessfully to appeal the verdict, but I see no evidence that's not just him saying it that indicates that he's been to prison, other than possibly like a holding cell while he's being processed, or that he's facing the possibility of jail time.
In fact, not only is he not looking at jail time, he's currently running for MP on the UKIP ticket, which is probably a little more high-profile a thing than he should be trying to get involved in.
jordan holmes
So you're saying that it was a joke that he got his dog to do the Heil Hitler thing, and he just so happens to also be in the UK party.
dan friesen
Well, now he is, because they're the people who have rallied to his defense, which we'll talk about in a little bit.
When you're making jokey videos about dogs doing Hitler salutes, people might think you're an asshole and you end up incurring a small fine, but if you run for public office, people are going to start actually researching you, and that's bad for business.
That's what happened recently.
The BBC did that and reported on May 1, 2019 that they'd reviewed logs of a Discord server run by Count Dankula that was a cesspool of racism and anti-Semitism.
Meechan himself posted tons of racist memes and threw around the N-word a bunch, but what was more telling was the stuff his members were posting.
jordan holmes
Were those memes dank is the question, Dan.
dan friesen
They're dankula.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So people were advocating, quote, killing all the Jews.
Talk of nuking Muslims went around freely.
Support was expressed for the Atomwaffen Division, a neo-Nazi group linked to five murders in the U.S. People posted about how they wished the Sonnenkrieg Division, a U.K. offshoot of the group, would, quote, actually do something.
The BBC notes that a member of Sonnenkrieg had recently circulated materials advocating the killing of Prince Harry for being a race traitor.
Meachin's Discord server was shut down, so expect that to become part of his campaign rhetoric moving forward.
I gotta say that UKIP is really knocking it out of the park in terms of letting shitheads run for office in their name.
They've got Count Dankula, Sargon of Akkad, and Tommy Robinson all running under their banner.
I dare say that this level of shitheadery may never be topped.
You kind of got to feel bad for Count Dankula, though.
jordan holmes
Why?
Because he's third build?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, his racism scandal would be a huge deal if it happened some other year.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if the environment we live in with the company he keeps, that Discord server shit barely even registers as notable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's who do you want to die on a plane with?
dan friesen
Sargon?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe?
No.
I don't know.
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
Oh, you know, the new...
dan friesen
If you're there with Count Dankula, they're going to talk about you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
If it's Count Dankula and Tommy Robinson, it's going to be Tommy Robinson and also Rand was on that plane.
jordan holmes
Exactly, exactly.
dan friesen
But all of his bigotry and all of his nonsense is good enough to make him a hero in Alex's eyes, and so he'll be coming up here in a little bit on the show.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But the interview doesn't start immediately, because Alex devolves into some weird thoughts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He starts talking about how what he did, Count Ancula did, with his dog was satire.
Satire!
And how back in the day they would have Looney Tunes cartoons, or Donald Duck, they'd do satirist things about the Nazis.
And then Alex says this, and it means nothing, but I just think it's really funny.
alex jones
Even if Donald Duck wanted to howl Hitler for real, It's his right to do it.
dan friesen
Okay.
You are looking like you're terrified.
jordan holmes
Call 911.
Can we call 911 right now?
That is terrifying.
That is a broken man.
That is a broken man.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's in service of him trying to make the argument that even if Count Dankula literally was a Nazi, he should be able to heile Hitler and get his dog to do it too.
Then Alex starts rambling about how he had a dog that is now past suspicious.
jordan holmes
A lot of dead dogs in his life.
dan friesen
It's another one too, it's not Nonc.
jordan holmes
It's another dead dog!
dan friesen
And it looked like it had a Hitler mustache because of the way its hair grew.
He said that he got it to do a Hitler salute.
I think he's really just trying to get in on Mark's claim to fame.
jordan holmes
He's trying to take a stab at also being Hitler dog guy?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a little bit sad.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you got a chance to be Hitler dog guy, you got to give it a shot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's a pretty pathetic display on Alex's part.
But now, Alex gets to something that I found to be the second best thing on this episode.
Apparently, his children are into watching speedrunning videos.
Of video games on YouTube.
jordan holmes
Awesome!
So am I!
dan friesen
I don't mind...
jordan holmes
We share one thing in common, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, his children.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't mind some of the...
I think some of it's maybe too long for me to watch.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Even though it's a speedrun, some games are fucking long as shit.
jordan holmes
They are.
dan friesen
So Alex has seen his kids watching these speedrunning videos, and I'm not sure he understands them.
jordan holmes
I watched like a nine-hour Final Fantasy VIII speedrun, and I don't even like that game.
unidentified
It was amazing.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
It was amazing.
dan friesen
You need a hobby?
May I recommend building a ship in a bottle?
jordan holmes
It was while I was at work back when I had a job.
I would just have it in the background.
dan friesen
I would do that too when I was at Groupon.
Yeah.
Alex yells about how great astronauts were and how great a skill they had with being able to control the shuttles with joysticks as sort of an analog to how trivial these speedrunners are.
This is so weird.
jordan holmes
So he's comparing speedrunners to astronauts.
All right.
I feel like that's a little unfair on his part.
dan friesen
Well, I'll let him speak his piece and then you can decide.
alex jones
There are people with Nintendo joysticks that can do things that robots can't do.
They've had competitions with top robots.
Robots can't do what humans can do with a joystick.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
You have to be so fast on those joysticks that it's like one one hundredth of a second and all the perfect moves to perfectly go through a game at the maximum speed you're able to, like a ballerina the entire time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's cool, man.
alex jones
Imagine if those young men spent their time building a business, or having a wife, or having children.
dan friesen
Point of order, a lot of them are married, and a lot of them have made businesses out of speed-running video games.
jordan holmes
I know, they make a lot of money!
dan friesen
Maybe more than Alex.
Probably.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, hold on.
alex jones
Or in the military, or any of that, putting that much energy into something.
So I'm not criticizing those young men for what they do and how they spend their lives.
That's your life.
But to watch that level of skill flush down the toilet over a video game is sad.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty sad.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine if LeBron James had funneled all of that basketball talent into going to war?
We would never have lost a war.
We would have LeBron James doing it.
I can't stand to see him waste his life playing a child's game.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean...
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Yeah, that sort of mentality could be applied pretty capriciously across the board.
But what I would say is I really love how that clip started.
You're saying that these people have been in competitions against top robots.
jordan holmes
Top robots?
dan friesen
Top robots!
jordan holmes
Top robots!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not bottom-ranked robots.
Like they would just start...
Like, is it a tournament?
dan friesen
It's Deep Blue.
Everyone's against Deep Blue.
jordan holmes
Okay, I gotcha.
unidentified
Now, the thing is...
jordan holmes
Did Deep Blue have a lot of good hand-eye coordination?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
When we're...
Talking about these competitions where people are going against robots, in quotes, generally that's a tool-assisted speed run.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And what that refers to is people who have programmed the inputs that would be putting into a controller in order to make the most perfect run possible.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's what he was trying to talk about?
dan friesen
I believe so.
jordan holmes
Because I heard that and I heard him saying...
dan friesen
Like a robot with a joystick in his hand?
jordan holmes
Like a robot with a joystick in his hand.
dan friesen
That's bullshit.
jordan holmes
I really think that's what he thinks.
dan friesen
No.
He's talking about tool-assisted speedruns and people racing them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now one of the reasons that humans are sometimes able to beat these tool-assisted speed runs, which are hypothetically the most perfect way to go through a game, is because sometimes shortcuts are found.
Yeah, glitches.
Oh, yeah, there are tons of situations where people are talking about frame-perfect...
In theory, if all the glitches are known in a game, a human will not be able to do better than a robot.
But because it takes too long to program that we can't do it on the fly, you can do faster than robots.
Anyway, whatever Alex is talking about is just he watched a video with his kids and doesn't understand what's going on, which is kind of funny.
And also sad that he doesn't understand how...
If he understood how huge a market that is that he could tap into, I don't think he would speak ill of gamers.
jordan holmes
No, there are dudes who are making...
What was it?
There was just a recent report that it was like they're making $30,000 an hour for fucking Twitch stream.
dan friesen
And all they have to do is top robots.
They have to beat top robots.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex says that he's like, hey man, I'm not talking shit about you gamers in this next clip.
jordan holmes
He really did.
He did talk a lot.
Yeah, he said that they were wasting all of their lives.
So that kind of is talking shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, he turns it around a little bit in this next clip.
alex jones
Gamers will always get real mad.
Don't you tell me what to do.
I'm like, hey!
You have your speech, I have mine.
I'm not trying to take your girlfriend away from you.
Your cell phone, your video game, your life, where you're comfortable, a place you're competent, a false reality built by someone else to control your life, to make sure you never amount to anything.
That's what the designers and the globalists said all of this was about was a snare for the post-human world that has now been set up for you.
I've got to end this hour.
If you don't financially support us, we won't be here.
We've got the new specials that are running, new huge specials.
Please support us and get great products.
dan friesen
I'll tell you who's not going to buy products.
jordan holmes
Gamers.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, usually our ad pivots are apocalyptic.
Ah, we're all going to die.
And this one's just a direct go fuck yourself and then buy my products.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's a little bit apocalyptic in nature because he's saying that, like, look, you guys enjoy your lives, have a good time, but you're trapped in a fucking death system that the globalists created for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And hey, live your life.
Go enjoy that death system.
Now, I have products.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't want to buy any of your shit.
You made me feel bad.
dan friesen
I think what he's hoping is that he will, a gamer will hear that and be like, I am trapped in a death system.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I better get the 8-pack double stack.
Or the fuck.
jordan holmes
Replace the Ruby Red Mountain Dew with the 8-pack double stack.
dan friesen
It's code red, sir.
jordan holmes
No, the 8-pack code back.
No, 8-pack.
dan friesen
8-pack code red mountain dew.
Everyone wins.
So now we get to the Dankula interview.
Count Dankula.
I'm sorry, I forgot his honorific title.
And like I said earlier, Alex is just desperate to let everyone know that he did a Hitler dog too.
alex jones
When does humanity strike back?
I want to talk about that with one of the most banned individuals in the world, Count Dankula, a hilarious comedian, a smart guy, and on top of that, I did Hitler Dog with my dog that's now deceased captain, too, because he has a Hitler mustache.
It's a joke.
Are they going to arrest me?
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
You're begging for someone to pay attention to you in any way.
I did it, too.
Anyone want to be mad at me?
jordan holmes
I had a Hitler Dog.
Come on.
Who's next?
dan friesen
This guy's raised a ton of money for his own free speech grift that he's on, and now he's...
He's running for fucking MP on the UKIP ticket.
He's gone from nobody to someone who I would have on my show just because he did a Hitler dog thing.
I have too.
unidentified
Anybody?
No.
dan friesen
No one cares, Alex.
So in this next clip, Count Dankula is making the argument that the left is violent, obviously.
And his argument is that it went from milkshakes to bricks in a matter of days.
And what he fails to recognize is that there are two different groups.
The people who threw rocks at Tommy Robinson are not the same people who are milkshaking people.
It's not like that's a one-to-one escalation.
So that's a problem.
And then second...
Someone did throw a milkshake at Count Dracula.
Oh, did he?
He might just be a little better about that.
jordan holmes
He might be a little unhappy about being covered in milkshake?
dan friesen
I think so.
Actually, I'm not entirely sure if he's one of them.
He got a lot of press because he said that if someone threw a milkshake on him, he would beat the shit out of him.
jordan holmes
Sure, great.
dan friesen
Good for you.
jordan holmes
Grow up.
dan friesen
So he's trying to make this argument that it escalated so quickly and then now we're going to get killed.
And then he does something that I find entirely disgraceful in terms of...
Justifying his rhetoric.
count dancula
Because, I mean, in a matter of days, it went from milkshakes to bricks.
In days.
In a matter of days.
And then you've got people in the media that are cheering it on.
I think it's only going to be a matter of time before someone, you know, Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson, you know, me or Sargon, we're not going to get hit with a milkshake.
We're going to get hit with a brick.
We're going to get hit with a brick.
We're going to be seriously assaulted.
Someone is going to be injured.
Someone's going to get hurt.
This could result in a death.
And this is the people that...
One of the main things that gets brought up is the murder of Joe Cox, which was an absolutely tragic, horrendous thing, and obviously measures should be taken to prevent such a thing from ever happening again.
dan friesen
So, it's hard to hear what he said there because of that Scottish brogue, but what he was saying is the murder of Joe Cox.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
count dancula
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So it's important to point out that Count Dankula just said, quote, obviously measures should be taken to prevent a thing like the murder of Joe Cox ever happening again.
That's something that I find really fucking interesting.
For those of you who don't know, Joe Cox was a labor MP who was murdered, shot and stabbed multiple times back in 2016.
Now, if you listen to someone like Tommy Robinson or Alex Jones, you'd probably expect that the murderer must have been some rampaging Muslim with how, you know, they've completely overrun Britain, and heroes like Tommy are the only ones who will stand up to them.
That wasn't the case.
52-year-old, very much white and Scottish, Thomas Alexander Mayer was the culprit.
And if you dig into the case a little bit, it's kind of interesting to reflect on exactly what sort of measures might be put in place that could help avoid something like that ever happening again.
You see, Mayer was a big fan of one of the UK's big right-wing terrorists, David Copeland.
Copeland was a devotee of Franklin Pierce, the author of the Turner Diaries, and he planted three nail bombs back in 1999, specifically targeting a group of black people, Asians, and a gay pub, respectively.
Copeland was associated with the National Alliance, and so was Thomas Mayer, as they were both subscribers of their publication, which, almost too perfectly, is called Free Speech.
If there's one thing that is so clear from history, and so forgotten and not talked about enough, it's that the free speech grift has long been a central piece of the neo-Nazi strategy.
Seeing what we now see from these right-wing shitheads is painfully predictable.
Mayer was also a subscriber to a magazine called S.A. Patriot, which was about the plight of whites in South Africa.
He wasn't only a reader, he also wrote the magazine in 1999, saying, quote, I still have faith that the white race will prevail, both in Britain and South Africa.
I fear that it's going to be a very long and very bloody struggle.
You see, Thomas Mayer was a dyed-in-the-wool white supremacist and ethno-nationalist, and while he hated people of other races, his primary focus was on collaborators.
From his letter, quote, In my opinion, the greatest enemy of the old apartheid system was not the ANC and the black masses, but the white liberals and traitors.
Over time, these racially based feelings of who was a traitor and who was not were shaped by contemporary politics.
And his writings reflected who he felt were the traitors in the days just before his attack.
The liberals, the left, and the media.
Almost like the exact same people that Alex Jones constantly calls traitors.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
I don't see a parallel.
dan friesen
He felt an urgency to act and to carry out his attack because he was convinced that the white race was facing an existential threat, which was coming in the form of refugees and immigrants.
Almost exactly like the same belief that Tommy Robinson and Alex Jones yell about constantly.
jordan holmes
I don't get what you're talking about.
dan friesen
Merritt attended rallies run by the English Defense League, but was too much of an introvert to ever actually join up with the group.
Incidentally, the EDL was started by Tommy Robinson.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
In the days leading up to the murder of Joe Cox, Nigel Farage and the UKIP party were running a campaign specifically designed around presenting the idea that immigrants were an invading horde that were going to destroy the country and leaving the EU was the solution to that problem.
Joe Cox was chosen as mayor's target because she was strongly anti-Brexit and the mayor felt that she was a traitor to the white race because of that.
All this is to say that the person who killed Joe Cox believed all the same things that the people Count Dankula surrounds himself with do.
He was motivated to action in some part by the rhetoric put out by UKIP, the fucking party that Count Dankula is running for office with.
All of the rhetoric put out by the guy who's interviewing Count Dankula right now is indistinguishable from the writings of Thomas Mayer.
For this dum-dum to seriously get on fucking air and in any way try and pretend he gives a shit about Joe Cox's murder is repugnant.
If he did, he would take a look in the mirror and realize that the cesspool he swims in and profits from is the same one that Mayer came out of.
And here's the thing.
I know.
You can't blame a person who puts out hateful rhetoric for the actions of the people who believe the exact same things they do.
They act on it and it ends up in a murder.
You can't blame them.
Count Ancula's just making jokes.
He's a comedian.
You're a little snowflake titty baby cuck soy boy who can't handle his brand of really hilarious edgy comedy, that's all.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Or not.
High Judge of the Queen's Court, Nigel Sweeney, who presided over David Copeland's trial, had this to say about what led Copeland to carry out his terrorist attack, which inspired Thomas Mayer to begin with.
Quote, to start, he treated the thought as a joke, but he couldn't get it out of his head.
The thought became stronger.
He woke up one day and decided he was going to do it.
That's how this happened with David Copeland, who's been an inspirational force of right-wing terrorism in the UK.
It started out with jokes.
It started out with jokes.
It's not to say that no one can make jokes, but it's to say that that's not a good defense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, saying it started out as a joke is, I suppose, reductive.
Somewhat.
That is how it's being characterized.
By that judge, or even by himself, but I don't trust that.
There was ill malice in there from the beginning.
It wasn't a joke.
dan friesen
It's based on what you would define as a joke and what he defined as a joke.
And that's...
Fair.
The twain of those shall not meet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
I think the most important thing, though, is that they're completely wrong.
They're completely wrong.
The escalation is never going to be from milkshake.
That's how it will escalate.
Because what is more effective at declawing a guy like Nigel Farage than a headline reading, Nigel Farage in bus hiding from milkshakes?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That is, what a giant pussy, you know?
dan friesen
He gets a brick thrown at him and all of a sudden he's a victim and a martyr.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And people who are throwing milkshakes understand that clearly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the thing, Jordan.
Fuck Count Dankula and everything he stands for.
jordan holmes
Agreed!
dan friesen
This pitiful free speech grift that he's on is bad enough, but to descend to the level he's displaying here on this episode is just fucking pathetic.
You think measures should be taken to make sure that things like the killing of Joe Cox don't happen again?
jordan holmes
Yeah, we should outlaw far-right parties.
dan friesen
Well, I'm not saying that necessarily.
I'm saying that if you are expressing that measures should be taken to make sure this doesn't happen again, then you need to recognize that the ecosystems that create, foster and nurture people like him.
You need to recognize those.
You need to recognize the intentionally manipulative media strategies that antagonize and play to the same paranoid racist fears that led him to murder.
You need to recognize the political figures that exploit nativist and racist fears in order to make a name for themselves, make money and win elections.
Then when you're done with that, recognize that you're immediately and intimately involved with all of that shit and you're on the wrong side of it.
And the only measures that need to be taken are for Count Dankula to pay his goddamn 800-pound fine, shut the fuck up, and tell his friends to do the same.
That will go a long way towards helping make sure.
So if you want to enact those measures, be the change you wish to see in the world, Count Dankula.
jordan holmes
I mean, well, here's...
dan friesen
You're a fucking fine.
jordan holmes
Here's what you really want to say.
to him if he wants these measures.
No, no, no.
I'm not talking about you.
You fucking nailed it.
dan friesen
I would say pay your fucking fine and sit down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, no.
You nailed it.
unidentified
I mean, just change the...
jordan holmes
Context.
You know, change it to some immigrant being some, you know, whatever boogeyman they want, and say, what measures would you take to stop this from happening again?
dan friesen
Well, I would make sure that he's not able to communicate with other people who share his extremist tendencies, and I wouldn't take any kind of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, how do we stop ISIS?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know, people, we shouldn't allow them to joke about committing acts of terrorism.
jordan holmes
Okay, done.
dan friesen
I mean, yeah, absolutely.
It's fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
Imagine their measures against what they perceive terrorism to be applied to them and they would go fucking insane.
He's even advocating that we apply terrorist measures to...
Fucking white nationalists.
dan friesen
Well, I mean...
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
But he's not.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
He's paying lip service to, like, measures should be taken to make sure...
Of course.
MPs on the left aren't killed, but, like, you...
jordan holmes
No, of course, but you call your bluff.
dan friesen
You look into the case, and you're like...
The only measures that would be actually helpful here are exactly the things that are counter to your stupid free speech grift.
Everything about your existence and what you stand for and the only reason anyone fucking knows who you are are counter to and fighting against the idea of creating those selfsame measures that could protect people.
So go fuck yourself, you stupid Scottish...
I do kind of like his accent a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, I love a Scottish brogue.
dan friesen
Yeah, I kind of enjoy it.
jordan holmes
That's good.
Their insults are spectacular.
Spend all of your day on Scottish Twitter and you will have a wonderful day.
dan friesen
Of all the people who come in with accents, I kind of find his novel.
Anyway, in this next clip, if you didn't have the context that you knew that he's talking about the left, you might think that some of the things that he...
count dancula
If you defend yourself against these attacks, you are a fascist, racist, Nazi, etc., etc.
Even one thing I said as well, I posted a tweet where I said, if anyone comes at me with a milkshake, I will put them up and down the street.
If someone tries to assault me, I will defend myself and I will set an example to make sure that nobody...
I'm not the one that's going around looking to assault people.
I've said that I will defend myself.
But people were trying to paint me as the violent one.
Well, I'm not the one that's going up trying to assault people.
I said I'd defend myself.
You're saying you'll assault people.
You're the instigators.
They always try and, even though you've just said, I will defend myself from your horrible actions, they still try and paint you as the bad guy, even though they are the people instigating it.
They have an absolute, complete lack of self-awareness.
It's mind-boggling that they can't see themselves for what they really are.
I think they're just really, they just really want an excuse to act out these horrible impulses that they have.
unidentified
I think there's something deep and evil.
count dancula
I totally agree with you.
dan friesen
I was going to say...
unidentified
Is he actually Banksy?
jordan holmes
Are we sure he's not Banksy?
Is this some sort of...
Performance art scam of, like, here's how I'm going to demonstrate even better than everybody else how awful the right wing is.
I'll do it.
dan friesen
That would be interesting.
I'm going to say no.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
But, God, he just gave a perfect explanation for his behavior and where it comes from.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think that that's because these are easy ways to play the game.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And he's not that good at it.
You're going Kaiser Soze on it.
jordan holmes
I have to, because I can't believe...
dan friesen
Otherwise it's boring.
jordan holmes
This is the dumbest fucking guy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If there's no master plan behind this, then he's as dumb as somebody we might elect president.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so, you know, these...
Yeah, I agree.
So in this next clip, it's important to remember here that he's made a meal out of paying lip service to the idea of...
Joe Cox's murder.
And when you look into the person who committed the murder, a lot of the things that he believed and a lot of the media spheres that he existed in are exactly the same things that are being openly discussed and joked about on the Discord server run by Count Dankula.
And then if that's not bad enough, Alex expresses exactly the fear that led Mayor to murder in this next clip while talking to Count Dankula.
alex jones
They're bringing in race-based groups and sicking them on indigenous populations.
dan friesen
Read white.
alex jones
Can he just call white people indigenous?
They're funding radical real Nazi party to take over Ukraine.
NATO is publicly.
And George Soros is an admitted Nazi collaborator.
dan friesen
Which Alex said on Joe Rogan when he was asked about it.
Well, it's open to interpretation.
alex jones
Yeah.
So they're really the ones with the Nazi past, and the EU was a brainchild of Adolf Hitler.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So, I mean, he's just embodying the exact propaganda, the exact same worldview that was inspirational to this person acting out and killing an MP.
So, I mean, any kind of...
Any kind of...
I don't know if all the left in the UK's attempts to use the memory of Joe Cox are in good taste.
I have no idea.
I don't live there, and I'm not as fully aware of the politics.
So I'm not going to say that.
But what I am going to say is that this is a disgrace.
This is an absolute disgrace.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
To pretend you care in any way and exist on this platform is an indication that you don't care or you don't know.
jordan holmes
Or you're fucking with us.
dan friesen
And that indicates that you don't care even more.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex also does a lot of singing on this episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
dan friesen
In this next clip, he comes in from break with Mother.
jordan holmes
Has our boy left?
dan friesen
No, he's still there.
jordan holmes
He's still there.
So Alex is just singing while the Scottish dude is on the line.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Can you keep him in the dark for life?
Can you hide him from the waiting world?
alex jones
No, you can't, Tim Cook.
unidentified
You can't, Obama.
alex jones
Father!
unidentified
I'm going to take your daughter out tonight.
I'm going to show her my world.
alex jones
You're not going to stop this signal.
jordan holmes
I've got other places I need to be.
alex jones
Please, let me go.
Not about to bend our knees to you.
jordan holmes
I wanted to talk to you.
alex jones
But if you want to bang heads, you're going to get to it.
unidentified
All right, that was good.
alex jones
Going back to Count Dankula.
jordan holmes
Oh, hey!
alex jones
You know, the tip of the spear of the enemy is saying a comedian, a successful comedian, can't have his pub.
jordan holmes
Am I really either?
dan friesen
So, as someone who spent years in the trenches doing open mics and shows every night, often multiple nights, I always get a little suspicious when I hear someone aggressively give themselves the title comedian or successful comedian, and I can find literally no evidence of them doing comedy.
So, I tried to find some clips of Count Dankula doing stand-up or some sketches or anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if he's a successful comedian, maybe...
Maybe we want to book him on a local show in Chicago if he's ever around.
dan friesen
I don't think it would be easy to find his work if he's a successful comedian.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, you should just send a clip.
dan friesen
I came up empty on my search.
jordan holmes
Spotify?
dan friesen
Every search result that I could find was just a story about his Nazi dog video that credited him as a comedian, but I find no real evidence of him being a comedian.
And then I came across a piece by writer Mick Clority.
Who decided to talk to some of the comedians in the scene in Scotland and see what they thought of Count Dankula.
It turns out they didn't think much of him.
Here are some quotes from the article.
Quote, For me personally, the most offensive thing about the whole debacle is that the news media frequently referred to Mark Meachin throughout as a comedian.
Meachin is lower tier, a vlogger.
He is to stand-up comedy what Rebecca Black is to hard-working bands who play their own instruments.
Writing material with innuendo, irony, and real satire is quite frankly not the same thing as hitting record and letting loose an improvised racial diatribe and Dorito-crumbed vape cloud from your stupid mutton-chopped face.
jordan holmes
I told you!
I told you the Scots have great insults.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They have amazing insults.
dan friesen
Stand up Robert Brown said, quote, anyone can call themselves a comedian.
He's not a peer.
YouTube has created an endemic of comedians who assume you're not laughing because you're offended.
jordan holmes
All right.
Now.
Pull it back just a little bit, dude.
I'm with you, but pull it back a little bit.
We're getting a little close to Nick DiPaolo here.
Calm it down.
dan friesen
Another comedian said, quote...
Oh, no, no.
He was saying that as a critique on people who think everyone's offended.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Another comedian said, quote, so many comedians feel scared about this, and I would ask, shouldn't you be scared that your material is just anti-Semitic then?
There's no comparison for well-thought-out research satire.
This is just some cunt who trained a dog, which is not easy.
That's a lot of effort to react to anti-Semitic statements and give Nazi salutes.
unidentified
That is a lot of effort.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Perhaps the most scathing part of the article is that the comedians that are interviewed and the writer all agree that he shouldn't be getting prosecuted.
dan friesen
That's just too harsh.
But they also think he's a racist neo-Nazi hack pulling a free speech grift to make money.
money.
unidentified
This is the conclusion that the article comes to.
dan friesen
Quote, what we should really do with Mark Meachin is to leave him to make shitty YouTube videos for American teenagers who like to shout at feminists.
I can think of no harsher punishment than that.
Let him give Tommy Robinson an interview.
Leave him with the realization that his most earnest defenders are the ones wearing jackboots.
That last line is great.
jordan holmes
That's solid.
dan friesen
Because that is the realization that he is allowed to not wrestle with because of the position that he's in on his free speech grift.
The people who you are surrounded with and the only people who support you, they happen to be Nazis.
Make of that what you will.
jordan holmes
You would think that that would have more of an effect on people, but it doesn't seem to.
dan friesen
When the hustle is running, the hustle is running.
jordan holmes
There's so many comedians in Chicago who, again, heavy scare quotes around comedians, but you've been to so many open mics where that guy has been there.
And you're like, Ugh, just not, just don't be, this isn't for you.
Just go away.
And now imagine that guy was a fucking popular YouTube asshole.
Gross.
dan friesen
And running for UKIP.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Yeah, I didn't want to get into the line of, like, whether or not you're allowed to call yourself a comedian until X, Y, or Z point.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Don't want to do that.
dan friesen
And I'm glad that that article didn't do that either.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, he sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, ugh.
dan friesen
So anyway, go fuck yourself, Count Dankula.
But this time, because you call yourself a successful comedian.
On behalf of all comedians.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
To give you the fucking bird.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
And I don't even call myself a comedian.
jordan holmes
I'm absolutely not a successful comedian.
dan friesen
And you fucking work at clubs.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
So, I told you earlier that Alex put his staff on the task of going to get him some Popeyes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And now...
jordan holmes
Where are we on Popeyes Watch?
dan friesen
In the middle of this interview, Alex gets the Popeyes.
And I should tell you that I know exactly what's going on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's got this Bernie Sanders story where there are people who are accusing Bernie of being racist for eating this chicken and whatever.
jordan holmes
Good faith arguments all, I assume.
dan friesen
In the same way, he keeps bringing up that he has also done the Nazi dog thing that made Count Dankula famous.
He is eating this chicken on air in a...
Desperate attempt to get someone to call him racist.
He's trying to bait some sort of media into covering him as a PR stunt.
jordan holmes
So lame.
dan friesen
But the way he does it is kind of funny.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I want to bring something else up to you.
The right wing, you don't do this, but the right wing tends to jump on bandwagons and go, oh, the left says...
If a white person is photographed eating fried chicken near black people, it's code word of making fun of black people.
That's totally mentally ill.
All over the South, people eat fried chicken.
It doesn't matter what color you are.
It's some weird northern projection.
But two years ago, Bill Clinton was at an event and was serving the food that was there in the South.
It had to be chicken.
Black people were eating it.
And the media said it was racist and it was wrong.
And the right wing jumped on it because this is what people eat probably half the time in many areas of where I live.
I eat fried chicken probably once or twice a week.
But the point is, it's insane.
jordan holmes
Now I do want fried chicken.
alex jones
Has the image of Hitler in it.
And now the right wing has jumped on it and said, oh look, Sanders has really screwed up at a restaurant, at a food event, saying this is great fried chicken and holding it up, even though he'd hold up.
Any other food that was finger food.
So this is an attempt to create mass psychosis.
So I got Popeye's fried chicken right here.
And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to hold this sucker up right here.
And I'm going to say, this is really, really good.
And again, the idea that everything is racist, everything is bad.
They're doing this on purpose in my view, Count Dankula.
How bad do you think it's going to get?
jordan holmes
That was fucking fully work.
That was the most satisfying crunch I think I've heard.
dan friesen
How say you, Count Agula?
This is not a sponsor.
So, I mean, that's just a pathetic attempt to get some sort of runoff press coverage of, like, Alex Racist leads.
And no one is going to do that.
No one cares.
jordan holmes
I didn't even know about the Bernie Sanders story.
dan friesen
Because they don't hang out in right-wing media.
jordan holmes
Why would you?
Everybody knows that that's weak bullshit.
dan friesen
So now Jordan.
jordan holmes
Do they have Popeyes in Scotland?
dan friesen
Jordan, let me tell you something.
jordan holmes
I need to know that, because if you're eating Popeyes at a Scottish person who's never had Popeyes before, that's just rude.
That's rude.
dan friesen
So now, there's a deep irony that Alex Jones is doing this fried chicken racism set piece while he's interviewing a Scottish alleged comedian, Count Dankula.
You know why?
Because the Scottish invented fried chicken.
Did you know that?
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
dan friesen
The Scottish invented fried chicken.
jordan holmes
I like it.
The Scots have invented a lot over the years.
dan friesen
The Southern American tradition, not South American, the American South tradition of fried chicken is a synthesis of the spices and seasoning that trace back to a West African tradition and frying techniques from the Scottish combined during the days of slavery.
Studies of migration patterns in early American history reflect that the Protestant Scott Irish immigrants who arrived early on settled largely in Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and throughout the Deep South, as opposed to the Catholic Irish who tended to stay in cities along the East Coast.
Much of this is theorized to be because the Scott Irish were generally poorer and were, quote, pushed to the underdeveloped border regions of the country.
In many ways, the Scottish built the South, which would eventually try to secede from the country because they couldn't enslave people anymore.
And in between those two things...
jordan holmes
God bless!
dan friesen
In between those two things, the Scottish building the South and then trying to secede over slavery, Scottish techniques and African flavors combined to create American South-style fried chicken.
None of this is too damning or anything, it's just funny that Alex has no idea about this, since it could add an interesting dynamic to his rambling.
He's talking to a fucking Scottish dude.
jordan holmes
I bet the Scottish dude did not know either.
dan friesen
He doesn't bring it up?
Nope.
The pejorative association of black people and fried chicken dates back to those days of slavery, when slaves weren't allowed to own pretty much anything, but were allowed to keep chickens to eat.
After slavery ended, the association lingered as a way to make fun of and mock and other black people, and Alex should understand that.
It's really pretty simple.
It's not a mystery.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As for the stuff with Bernie, that's just manufactured fake outrage being peddled by the right-wing media.
No one on the left is calling Bernie a racist for holding up a drumstick while being photographed with the guy who's cooking said drumstick.
And I know that Alex is saying that the right-wing is doing that in parroting the left.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's not accurate either.
Because when he talks about the other instance of it is like Bill Clinton.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was two years ago.
And I look back, and I can only find right-wing media people talking about that as a racist thing.
Oh, and weirdly, RT.
Those are the only places that we're covering that as a racism-based...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but RT thinks that...
RT doesn't like the Clintons.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
dan friesen
I don't either, but those are the only places that I can find that sort of coverage.
I did find an article on Bossup.
They ran an article about...
jordan holmes
What is Bossup?
dan friesen
It's the Black Gossip site.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
They ran an article about Clinton serving fried chicken in Louisiana.
I'm sorry, Louisville at a fried chicken restaurant.
But their take on it is literally spelled out in the article.
Quote, to be honest, we're surprised that we didn't see more faux rage on Twitter over this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So they're making fun of the idea that there would be fake outrage being peddled about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The only people expressing outrage were blogs like the American Mirror and Truth Revolt or message board threads on Glock Talk.
He's pretending that the media covered it and saying it was racist, then the right-wing jumped on it.
That's bullshit.
All this has been right-wing stuff the whole time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Easily.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because what this really would amount to with Bernie Sanders is like a curb your enthusiasm sketch where all of a sudden he's been told that he's a racist the whole time and then he's accidentally getting a photo op where he's holding fried chicken and he's like, no!
unidentified
And then it's boom, boom, boom, yeah.
dan friesen
I need to make this point explicitly clear.
Alex is pretending that the left does this, and now the right is getting into that game.
And that is a faulty explanation.
It's the right was doing that, and now the right is continuing to do that.
jordan holmes
Well, I think when he says that, he's referencing all the times that the left has correctly pointed out that the people on the right are being racist.
dan friesen
Right, like people who started Obama fried chicken restaurants.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And they were like, that's racist.
And he's like, they were always doing it.
And he's like, no, you're not understanding what racism is, sir.
dan friesen
He's taking the wrong examples and then straw manning.
So Count Dankula in this next clip, he expresses that everyone loves fried chicken.
And I don't disagree with him.
I very much enjoy fried chicken.
And Alex, we'll see how he responds.
count dancula
You know, for example, if Bernie Sanders walked up to a synagogue and did a Nazi salute in a Jewish man's face, then yes, I would understand if that caused a little bit of outrage.
dan friesen
You do.
jordan holmes
You do understand that.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
You do understand that.
So what you're saying, that you understand that a Nazi salute would offend people, and you would think that's justified.
dan friesen
You think there would be a little bit of outrage.
That's interesting.
count dancula
But trying to say that basically serving fried chicken at an event that black people were attending, that's a reach.
Everybody likes fried chicken.
Right, there's nothing racist about it.
Everybody likes fried chicken.
alex jones
Please continue.
dan friesen
What a pro.
jordan holmes
We got a contender for life's very fragile.
alex jones
We got a pro.
jordan holmes
Please continue.
dan friesen
This is a broadcaster here, man.
That's what 24 years on air gets you.
jordan holmes
That's so good.
dan friesen
Those kind of chops.
jordan holmes
God.
Now I think he's fucking with everybody.
dan friesen
I think he might be drunk.
jordan holmes
Why doesn't anybody make any fucking sense?
The only thing that makes sense in a world where people are not inarguably this stupid is that they're all fucking with each other back and forth.
And we're just not able to understand the language.
dan friesen
This kind of insanity leads me to think that he might have been...
Might have been having a few.
And then also, reinforcing that is we're ending here on the 21st, and on the 22nd, he's almost half an hour late starting his show.
He shows up 20-something minutes into the broadcast.
Before that, they were just playing special reports and pre-taped stuff.
Alex rolls into studio, and he's in a fucking mood that seems like how I would feel in a hangover.
unidentified
Our worst fears have been confirmed.
alex jones
The worst analysis of people like G. Edward Griffin, the Congressman Larry McDonald, and Cleon Skousen, and Barry Goldwater, and Joseph McCarthy, turn out to fall short of exactly what we face.
And every time I get ready to go on air, I hate myself.
And I feel like a complete failure.
Because I cannot summon the oratory skills to properly convey to you what we're dealing with.
Now, I know most of you have seen it for yourself, and you know, and I bet you have the same feeling I have.
dan friesen
That seems like he's waiting for the Alka-Seltzer to kick in.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I hate myself when I try to start a show because I'm not good enough to convince you that the commies are coming.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
It could just be that he was running late.
But, you know, making such a big show of that fried chicken...
jordan holmes
We're not going to top it.
dan friesen
It doesn't feel like a sober decision.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Fuck it.
Give me some fried chicken on air.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but on the other hand, man, it feels like he's packing it in.
It really does feel like he's winding down.
dan friesen
Anything goes.
jordan holmes
This is some senioritis shit.
He's in class, and all of a sudden he has Popeyes delivered, and everybody's looking at him like he's a hero, and the teacher hates him.
dan friesen
If things keep going like this, in six months I'm going to be back in my old studio.
jordan holmes
In six months I'm going to be serving Popeyes chicken.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to this next bit of business here on the 22nd, and it's interesting to see.
We know that he thinks that if they take the guns, Civil War.
I mean, he doesn't say anything about housing soldiers leading to a Civil War.
I guess if more people get kicked off Twitter, Civil War.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
He's added a new thing that will cause a Civil War to the equation.
alex jones
But I'm going to get into what the end of the Electoral College means and why the globalists want to break it.
Because if you break it, you break the country and it's over.
At least politically.
It will turn into a violent Civil War.
dan friesen
Everything leads to a civil fucking war for him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, breaking the electoral college would really lead to a civil war.
Like, the idea of the popular vote, electing the president, everyone would lose their shit.
There would be a civil war, Dan.
Civil war.
If people didn't know exactly how many delegates were going to go based upon different caucus votes...
People would lose their shit, Dan.
Civil War.
Civil War!
dan friesen
While I don't pretend to know what the intentions of the people who created the electoral college system were, it's very hard to argue against the conclusion that the real-world impact of the electoral college is diminishment of minority votes.
This is not a new thought that the globalists are just throwing out now.
It was discussed in a paper put out by the Yale Law Review in 1996.
This isn't some kind of crybaby thought that's a knee-jerk reaction to the Democrats losing the 2016 election, as Alex wants to pretend that it is.
jordan holmes
Losing the 2000 election.
Well, not losing having it stolen from us.
dan friesen
Or the 1876 election.
Yeah, that one was a bad one.
jordan holmes
I hated that one.
dan friesen
There's a movement for the states to opt out of the electoral college system that's going on and give their electors to the candidate that wins the national popular vote.
This is being done by states and governors, so Alex probably shouldn't have a problem with it.
States right!
jordan holmes
Civil War.
dan friesen
Civil War.
I don't understand where he draws the line.
And here's the thing.
When pressed on the issue, defenders of the Electoral College sometimes accidentally slip and let you know why they really support it.
This was the case with Paul LePage, former governor of Maine, who said this on a radio show back in February.
jordan holmes
Oh, what a fucking prick he is.
dan friesen
Quote, Why don't we just adopt the Constitution of Venezuela and be done with it?
Let's have a dictator, because that's what you really are going to boil down to.
What would happen if they do what they say they're going to do?
White people will not have anything to say.
It's going to be minority.
Hmm.
a small group of voters to exert a disproportionate power over the election.
And as LePage makes clear, at least some of the ardent support for maintaining the system, you know, they reply with the argument that the system is important because it allows whites to hold on to undue undemocratic control.
So that's a strong argument.
It's kind of silly that we still use the Electoral College system, quite frankly.
And honestly, even sillier that almost anything merits a civil war these days, according to Alex.
jordan holmes
What merits a civil war already passed at least like ten years ago?
dan friesen
Many times over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't pretend to have the fullest understanding of all the nuances of the arguments for and against the Electoral College, but the sense that I get is even if you take away some of those nuanced arguments, It's fucking silly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a ridiculous system.
unidentified
It's undemocratic.
jordan holmes
And while we're at it, we should probably get rid of the Senate, too.
dan friesen
That would lead to a civil war.
jordan holmes
That might lead to a civil war.
However, it does make more sense than having a Senate in the first place.
dan friesen
Everything would lead to a civil war.
jordan holmes
That's a civil war.
Do you know what we should really do?
Get some Popeye's chicken?
dan friesen
I'm hungry.
jordan holmes
That'd lead to a civil war.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A civil war in my stomach.
So, this next clip involves Alex, again, trying to get himself 51-50'd.
By yelling about Hillary.
alex jones
But when I talk about Obama and Hillary, Hillary and other people that have guarded her, everybody I know that's guarded her, from Blackwater to the Army to the CIA, says that Hillary goes into trances and actually will just be on a helicopter in a car and just go, and we'll just...
Blink out.
But she'll also start going, and will beat the ground and flop around.
And she hates dogs.
Bring a dog around her to sniff her bombs.
She'll go, I hate that.
Nothing, animal!
I'll have your ass fired!
Don't look at me in the eyes, you scum!
You military scum!
This has been written about.
And she'll start crying.
And again, you think I'm joking, folks.
I'm not kidding.
dan friesen
Not kidding.
That's a problem.
So, I don't know.
I don't care to respond to that other than to be like, it's so funny to think about.
Way in the past, like during the Iraq War, Alex imagining that in 2019 he'd be bragging about talking to Blackwater.
It's really, really weird.
jordan holmes
Good guys.
Good guys all.
I'm a big fan of people in Blackwater, the military, and the CIA who would talk to Alex.
I think they're on the up and up.
dan friesen
Cream of the crop.
jordan holmes
I think they are the ones that you want to be reaching out to.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex has a narrative that he's running with here on the 22nd where he is pitching white grievance, which is...
jordan holmes
Which one?
dan friesen
Knock me over with a fucking feather.
Well, I mean, it's a grievance that certainly wouldn't apply to him, even if it were true, because it has to do with college.
But here we go.
alex jones
And I've got news overwhelmingly insane.
jordan holmes
Oh, is he going to talk about Morehouse?
alex jones
Did you know that there are massive amounts of colleges that are not black colleges, but there are colleges that have black-only graduation ceremonies?
That's the kind of stuff I got in my stack.
You could talk all day about that, what that means.
dan friesen
So, I bet he could, but I don't think he could actually cover the story, even if he had that whole day.
So, what a shock.
We stumble upon yet another case of right-wing manufactured outrage misleading people about racial issues.
What's going on here is that Alex is piggybacking on reports out of the Washington Examiner, which were heavily promoted by Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA.
The story here is about how a lot of black, there are a lot of black graduation ceremonies at schools, 75 of them, according to this alleged investigation.
But really, the event that inspired all this coverage is that Harvard had an alleged blacks-only graduation ceremony, thus highlighting what propagandists, who seem deeply in league with white nationalists, are deciding to call neosegregation.
Of course, they're lying about this Harvard ceremony.
Charlie Kirk called it a, quote, black-only graduation ceremony, and the coverage of the event has explicitly been about how there were no whites allowed.
This isn't true.
The event was organized by the Harvard Black Students Association and was just about celebrating the achievements of black graduating students.
But literally, everyone was welcome.
An important distinction is that, quote, no degrees were conferred during the ceremony because it wasn't an actual graduation ceremony.
It was a celebration being held by a student organization.
The water needs to be muddied and lies need to be created, like what's being put forth by Alex and Turning Point, because what they really want to do is eliminate all groups, like black student organizations or LGBTQ student unions, but they can't really make that argument and maintain their, we're just pro-free speech and equal rights, those grifts.
Those two things have a very difficult time being in stasis with each other.
Thus, they misrepresent events like this in such a way as to make the point that they Now, as you immediately responded during the clip...
I have very strong suspicion that what's really beneath the surface is that this is a way of responding to the story of billionaire Robert Smith, who announced when giving this year's commencement speech at Morehouse University that he was going to pay off the graduating class's student loan debt, a gift estimated at $40 million.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Morehouse College is a historically black college and the alma mater of Martin Luther King Jr.
Important to point out that the student body at Morehouse is overwhelmingly black or African-American, but not entirely.
White people are more than welcome to apply, and there are white students at the school.
This is probably something that racists are not thrilled about, the idea of this very...
jordan holmes
No, it's segregated, and it's because black people only love black people, and they should be more grateful that they get to live here at all.
dan friesen
But they're not thrilled that this high-profile, sincerely philanthropic gesture is being made by a black billionaire in support of a graduating class at an overwhelmingly black school.
So it's kind of predictable that on the heels of that story, what would ensue is some kind of a propaganda narrative demonizing black people in college settings.
So I just see this as being the return volley in some sort of a propaganda tennis.
And it's just sad.
It's very sad to me because...
I mean, well, first of all, it's just bullshit.
jordan holmes
Man, 60 years ago, white people were fucking killing people so they wouldn't have to go to school with black people.
And now, 60 years later, the same white people who would have killed to not go to school with a black person are now like, why won't black people let us be there even though we don't want to be...
Fuck you.
dan friesen
So, um...
One of the things that Alex is very insistent about, and something I was, if I had a little bit more time, I might have made a super cut of to make my point, is that he insists he's all about not offensive violence.
He's all about defense.
Not offense.
No offense.
jordan holmes
Look, all I said was if you threw a milkshake at me, I would run you up and down the floor.
No big deal.
I'm not instigating.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, that is a good example, and Dankula certainly is of that mentality.
But Alex is consistently not offense, defense.
Now, granted, I'm going to say I should politically murder this person.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
But not into offense.
Here's what he had to say at the end of the show.
alex jones
They're committing all these crimes, and it's just insane to watch this happen.
We go on the offense, or they destroy the country.
The globalists know that we're on our last legs, and they get rid of Trump.
dan friesen
So I'm sure that if pushed on it, he would probably be like, I'm talking about political offense.
But I don't trust his audience to be able to discern the nuance between them.
But he's saying if we don't go on the offense, we lose the country.
That sort of language exists in the context, in the body of the show.
It exists in the context of offense versus defensive violence.
I'm not saying that that clip is explicitly encouraging violence, but that is an easy interpretation to make of it.
I think that someone in the space that Alex exists in has a responsibility to not be that unclear.
count dancula
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's irresponsible.
So, speaking of irresponsible, towards the end of this episode, Alex has Millie Weaver come into studio and they do a disgraceful bit of business about her going to an abortion rally and everyone there being like, we should kill babies up to three years.
jordan holmes
old.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And they won't answer any questions.
It's like, well, that's because you play the video and it's like you're asking them fucking questions that imply an answer.
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, like you're saying like...
dan friesen
Why do you want to kill babies?
And it's like, I'm not going to answer that.
jordan holmes
Because they're delicious.
Oh, wait, no, what?
Oh, damn, you caught me!
dan friesen
I'm going to answer that question to fuck with you, or I'm not going to answer that question because you're dishonestly setting up.
We're not here to support killing babies.
That's the way you're framing the question.
No matter how I answer, you're playing the game.
And so that's what's going on with that.
But that's most of her appearance.
And I don't give a shit.
They're not even talking about those bills.
They're covering abortion in the exact same way they always have.
These bills are almost like a non-issue to them.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that's just the logical conclusion.
Like, the bills are a non-issue.
dan friesen
Well, no, what it is is it's like, lay low.
Yeah.
unidentified
Lay low, we don't want to fuck anything up.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he knows that that process works with or without any propaganda agitating.
He can only screw things up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's kind of the feeling that I get.
And as much as he barely seems to be talking about those things at all, which seems like they would be the biggest deal in the world for someone like him who makes...
Part of his brand, his central piece of his brand being pro-life positions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but the idea of actually following through with it is terrible for Alex.
Alex doesn't want to live in a pro-life country by any stretch.
And he doesn't want the question to be settled.
dan friesen
At least he wouldn't have wanted to when he was younger.
Now that he's older, he might be fine with applying those standards on people.
He doesn't have to feel what they're going through.
jordan holmes
I guess.
I kind of suspect that he's, you know...
dan friesen
Still a libertine?
jordan holmes
You know.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I would say that he himself has got an abortion hotline that's the red phone that's available.
He lifts up the fucking statue's head and passes the button and gets sent...
dan friesen
The only reason I'm going to allow you to suggest that is because of his own words.
And I'm not going to say it's a negative thing, even if he did have an abortion.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm fine with it.
And he knows that he would rather live in a pro-choice world.
dan friesen
I think probably.
It's an interesting question.
I don't know.
But I don't care.
I don't care about him and Millie's coverage because it's all duplicitous and manipulative.
There's one point, though, where they're talking about how loyal Trump is and how important Alex is in the Trump world or whatever.
jordan holmes
Which is not at all.
dan friesen
But the reason that this is interesting is because not too far back, Alex was turning on Trump.
It was only within a month or two in the past that he's like, Trump made me turn on Trump.
This guy's a fucking asshole.
But because Trump is signaling that he's going to enact rules that might help Alex get back on social media and bring his business back up to a functioning position, Alex is fully on board with Trump.
And this is pretty hilarious to me, because on the other end of this clip, I'll explain what I think is going on.
millie weaver
What Trump essentially did was he showed he's not willing to sell out to any establishment, whether it be the Democrats or some of the old rhino neocons.
He's loyal to the grassroots because he knows the grassroots are the blue-collar Americans, the people who love them.
alex jones
And it was a stupid plan.
They thought they could attack me in the name of Trump, and that would get me to drop Trump, or they could attack Trump in my name, he would drop me.
And that's not how this works.
And they cannot believe that they can't.
And I even told Trump, I said, you know, Last time I talked to him, I said, listen, for whatever reason, you're smarter than I am anyways, you know, in your age.
I said, if you need to throw me under the bus, and I've said some things out of context they're doing, do it, and...
I'm not going to attack you for that.
As long as you stay true to the agenda of Americana and freedom and pro-life and God and country and the military and our borders, I'm going to support you.
And Trump said, very interesting.
I'll keep that in mind, but that's not going to be needed.
And I said, well, then fine.
Don't call me anymore.
I don't need you to pat me on the head.
If you need people to get in contact with me, do it.
And now I'm not going to get into it, obviously.
I mean, it's not anything fancy or big.
We're creating the trends here.
U.S. intelligence is loyal to the country who listens to me.
I listen to them, too, but it's mainly 90% the other way.
And so now they can't stand it.
I write reports.
It's given to U.S. intelligence.
It goes right to the president.
And I've got law firms doing it, and that's how it works.
And they can't stand it.
They can take me off air.
My reports still go right to the president.
And they cannot stand it, Millie.
They cannot stand it.
dan friesen
So he's presenting it as, I write reports, they go straight to the president, because things are looking...
Like Trump's actions are more in line with what Alex is wanting him to do.
Whereas if those things weren't happening, Alex wouldn't be saying stuff like this because it's not true.
jordan holmes
Of course not!
dan friesen
But here's what's going on.
Trump is back in election mode.
He's campaigning.
So these ideas of pandering to these people who've been kicked off social media, they were the ones who agitated very importantly in the 2016 election who helped Create support for him and allowed the campaign to go well.
He's pandering in such a way because he's campaigning.
The entire time since the election till pretty recently, there hasn't been...
I mean, outside of just things that a monster would do anyway, like pardoning Joe Arpaio.
That sort of stuff happened.
But in terms of overtures that are things that Alex would be super into...
It hasn't happened.
Like, there have been things like he bombed Syria and Alex said Trump shoves ISIS up his dirty asshole.
There's just constant disappointment in Trump not doing what Alex wants him to do and Alex trying to rationalize staying on board or leaving.
Should I stay?
Should I go?
This is campaign shit.
Alex is falling for campaign shit.
jordan holmes
Of course he is.
Because he gets to feel important again.
dan friesen
Yeah, he gets the little fucking scraps that Trump is throwing his way in order to be like, hey, I need you to be my...
Don't get off the team.
We're going to need you as this campaign ramps up.
Here, I'm going to pretend I'm going to enact free speech rules that'll get you back on fucking social media.
Oh, thank daddy.
Thank you, daddy.
You are the best.
Oh, I love that you read all my reports.
jordan holmes
I wonder how he felt about that report he wrote about ISIS being up his dirty asshole.
dan friesen
That report was scathing.
jordan holmes
That one was scathing.
And it's so obvious that he is such a bootlicker on this, because even in his own telling of the story, he gets...
Like, Trump, even in his telling of the story, goes, like, okay, that sounds good.
I'll keep that in mind.
Which is the classic brush-off for let's end this conversation.
Alex has done that a million times to people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I'm sure that there's some reality to that.
Because he's talked about that before.
Like, that's a part of the story that's been there.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So now daddy's giving him attention again, and he's way more excited.
dan friesen
He's embellished the story now, too.
My reports go straight to the president through law firms, and no one can stand it.
It's just like, come on, man.
When you talk about people who are obsessed with Hillary, none of them act like this.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is sad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, say what you want about Keith Olbermann.
He's pretty a mess.
But he doesn't act like this.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
I mean, they're both embarrassing in different ways.
So we have one last clip, and it's just Alex talking about how much better he is than the people who attack him.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
This is war.
You want it, you got it.
They keep suing me.
They keep threatening me.
They keep lying about me.
They keep attacking me.
I want them to get it through their head.
I love it.
I'm coming for you.
I'm going to get you.
I'm better than you.
I don't worship Satan.
I worship God.
I love life.
So get ready.
You are going to be run over by me politically.
And if that means that I splatter up against the wall with you, that's fine.
You're going to get it.
My hands are around your neck.
dan friesen
So that's a good end to the show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That was the last thing that you heard from him today?
unidentified
Or that day?
dan friesen
Might have been a little more with Millie afterwards, but I don't really care.
I would say that as someone who follows Alex pretty closely, he does not love it.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
The idea of, like, keep suing me, I love it.
Like, you do not love this, Alex.
You are miserable.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones, macho, political donkey wrestler.
dan friesen
So we come to this end of this episode, and I think, I mean, I would say that in terms of the recommendation that we cover it, I think that there is, you know, there was some stuff that was...
jordan holmes
Oh, we got the Popeyes, man.
dan friesen
I think that there was more fun in here than the last stretch of present-day stuff.
So as long as we're covering the present, I do think...
We would have missed some good stuff had we not talked about this.
And I got to hear Count Dankula say some fucking horrible things.
And now he goes from being someone who I'm aware of, but I don't really give a shit about, to being like, no, you suck.
jordan holmes
You're the worst.
A virulent hatred.
A virulent hatred.
dan friesen
At least we were able to sort of transition that.
Now I have a new person who I hate.
That's good.
jordan holmes
I would even upgrade him to some of the harder ice creams.
Maybe some rum raisin?
dan friesen
Or a concrete.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not concrete.
jordan holmes
Not concrete.
dan friesen
The frozen custard treat.
The St. Louis-style frozen custard.
Goddamn, I love a concrete.
We've got to go get fried chicken and concrete right now.
jordan holmes
That sounds good to me.
dan friesen
So we'll be back next week with another episode, and we'll see what it covers.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Indeed.
Until then, Dan, do we have a website?
dan friesen
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
What if we were on Twitter?
What would we do?
dan friesen
We are, and we don't need the president to get us back on it, and it's knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
And I'm at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
You can find us on the iTunes.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You could definitely...
Download it.
You could subscribe to it.
You could leave a review.
dan friesen
All those sorts of things.
jordan holmes
All those things.
dan friesen
Yep.
But until next time, when we will be back, that guy who made chicken for Bernie Sanders.
jordan holmes
Definitely didn't kill a guy.
dan friesen
Not that I know of.
We do not know that he has.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But one guy who technically probably has killed somebody is Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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