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April 15, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#284: April 12, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan check in with the present day of the Alex Jones Show. Come witness the lengths Dan will go to try to find something interesting to talk about when Alex is being really boring, and Jordan getting a little surprise treat before he takes off for a short vacation.

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dan friesen
01:10:45
j
jordan holmes
22:36
l
lionel
17:27
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alex jones
03:16
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norm pattis
00:03
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pastor david manning
00:02
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paul joseph watson
00:04
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Who's your favorite Game of Thrones character?
Happy Game of Thrones Easter to everyone.
dan friesen
Right, we're recording this on Sunday, so, you know, people are excited.
People, you know, the streets are abuzz with winter coming and shit.
jordan holmes
It is a blizzard in Chicago right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, sometimes you wake up and it's fucking snowing in the middle of April.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
Love this city.
jordan holmes
Chicago's great.
dan friesen
The city sucks.
jordan holmes
What was the last year we didn't have snow in April?
dan friesen
I think last year we did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we did totally.
dan friesen
I remember that.
At least they seem to.
I'm not dodging your question.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, of course.
dan friesen
So in the first season, I just decided I didn't give a shit about any of these people.
They all just seemed like bores to me.
Except for Bran and Arya.
The only characters I gave a shit about were these kids.
They're the only ones who seemed like they had any semblance of an interesting story going on.
Like, I don't give a fuck about who's king.
I don't care about your guys' petty squabbles for power.
But those kids, they seem to have something going on.
jordan holmes
Not a big palace intrigue kind of guy?
dan friesen
Not into it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And for the rest of the season since, I have been proven correct.
jordan holmes
Come on!
dan friesen
Except I guess, you know, Dany...
jordan holmes
Jaime Lannister goes from being a...
dan friesen
Don't care.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
Tyrion Lannister goes from being a...
dan friesen
He's alright.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He seems more interesting.
And then Dany with her dragons, I enjoy that too.
jordan holmes
Pretty great?
dan friesen
And then, yeah, I guess Jon Snow with his sort of rejecting of all that palace intrigue bullshit.
You know, everybody who stays away from that stuff, I'm into.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Anybody who's too caught up in that, don't care.
Don't understand why anyone gives a fuck about that part of the story.
jordan holmes
I think the people that I hate the most are actually Jon and Ned Stark and all of those people.
They're so goddamn stupid.
dan friesen
Ned is in it for one episode.
jordan holmes
Ned is in it for a whole season.
dan friesen
Maybe.
It felt like an episode.
jordan holmes
No, Arya's the best thing about Game of Thrones, for sure.
dan friesen
I said that at the beginning, and everyone said I was stupid.
And Bran, too.
I really enjoyed Bran.
jordan holmes
I think Bran is boring as shit now.
Oh, I'm sorry.
You're omniscient?
Great.
dan friesen
That seems like a good thing.
You can plug into a tree.
unidentified
It's cool.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert.
jordan holmes
That is pretty fun.
He's basically the R2-D2 of Game of Thrones, in that he just kind of plugs into a tree and then has the schematics of the Death Star.
dan friesen
You were pretty surprised, right before we started recording, that I have ever watched I didn't think you were at all interested.
I'm not.
jordan holmes
And clearly you aren't.
dan friesen
Like I said, I've watched all of it, but I don't care at all.
jordan holmes
Full disclosure, HBO is not an investor in this show, and we wish they would pay for it.
dan friesen
I'd probably say I cared about it if they were.
But you know who is investing in this show?
Our audience.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
And I appreciate it also very much.
So today I would like to start off this episode by giving a shout-out to some people who are signed up as donors.
So first of all, Callum, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Callum.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Callum.
dan friesen
Next, Crystal, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Crystal.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Crystal.
dan friesen
Next, Asha, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Asha.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Asha.
dan friesen
Next, Elena.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Elena.
dan friesen
Next, somebody who took their donation, bumped it up a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Appreciate it oh so very much.
And so, Amy V., thank you so much.
You are now a globalist.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
dan friesen
Thank you, Amy V. Thank you very much, Amy V. Next, somebody who took their donation and bumped it up a little bit as well in a similar fashion.
Christopher, thank you so much.
You are now a globalist.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
dan friesen
Thank you, Christopher.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Christopher.
dan friesen
Finally, someone I'd like to say thank you to who donated on a bit of a more elevated level even, and we appreciate that fantastically.
So, Carl, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Carl.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Carl.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like what these guys do, I'd like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
And I particularly appreciate people who continue to sign up and support the show because I think it's pretty easy to get the image in your head.
You hear six names listed off.
You could easily get the idea that we're like Scrooge McDuck jumping into a pile of coins.
jordan holmes
I don't think.
I don't think that's the case at all.
dan friesen
That is not the case.
So we appreciate everybody who continues to support and help us build this show into what we believe it can be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Speaking of which...
jordan holmes
Nobody likes talking about money, but...
dan friesen
No, I fucking hate it.
Man, we are broke.
I hate every element of it.
I hate every element of it except thanking people for support.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
That, I believe, is the only good way to talk about money.
So, speaking about money, you're about to spend a bunch because you're going to Mexico.
jordan holmes
Well, I spent the money before I got fired.
And I will be goddamned if I'm going to let some bullshit firing keep me from doing one good thing this year.
dan friesen
I assumed that that was the case.
And so you're going to be going off on vacation this week that we're on.
We're going to have this episode here on Monday.
We're going to have a pre-recorded episode on Wednesday.
And then who knows, for Friday.
jordan holmes
It could be a grab bag.
dan friesen
It could be anything.
jordan holmes
It could be the roulette episode of your...
dan friesen
You never know.
So that's very exciting.
And so I wanted to do an episode here where we send you off in style.
Okay.
But unfortunately...
jordan holmes
Unfortunately, we're going to do this episode.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, we're going to be going over April 12th, 2019.
That's Friday.
jordan holmes
Oh, this...
dan friesen
Well, there's so much going on in the world that I needed to know what Alex was up to.
I mean, people are clamoring for our insights.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is weird.
dan friesen
That's fucking blowhardy as hell.
jordan holmes
No one's clamoring.
It's hard not to do a present-day episode when it feels like the president is trying to get a House representative killed.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that doesn't come up.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
You wouldn't want to talk about how the president is essentially committing attempted murder right now.
dan friesen
That doesn't really come up, although Alex does say a bunch of dumb shit about Omar.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
I didn't include any of those clips.
It's so standard for him and not really relevant to the actual news of the day.
Yeah.
unidentified
That I was like, ah, fuck it, who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Terrorist, traitor, blah, blah, blah.
unidentified
Move on.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
But there's other stuff, you know, like Assange's arrest, you know, these sorts of things.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Alex has got to have a take on that.
jordan holmes
Was his take that he's never heard of WikiLeaks 2?
dan friesen
Who's this guy?
jordan holmes
I've never heard of this guy!
I'm going to swing for the fences on this one and just say he's not even real.
dan friesen
What's an email?
jordan holmes
False flag.
Right.
I don't even think Ecuador is a place.
dan friesen
No, he has an interesting take and we'll get to it down the road.
But Alex is...
This is a pretty boring episode for the most part.
There's not a whole lot in here.
But that doesn't mean that this next clip didn't almost entirely ruin two days of my life.
Here is where we start out the episode, and I will explain on the other end of this clip why I am a lunatic.
jordan holmes
Clip number one.
alex jones
Trump's been giving him a medal.
Wouldn't be here right now without Assange.
But when freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails.
And those that cry, appease, appease, are hung by those they tried to please.
Author unknown.
Written on a cell wall in the Revolutionary War.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
alex jones
On a British cell wall.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
alex jones
An American patriot.
jordan holmes
Dan read a book.
alex jones
When freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails.
And those that cry to peas of peas are hung by those they tried to please.
jordan holmes
And the Jolly Green Giant.
alex jones
But digressing, back to the information.
dan friesen
So, here's the thing.
I'm going to leave aside that Assange question for a moment because I want to discuss that quote that Alex is using.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's reciting it pretty correctly.
So, as far as his behavior relates to quotes...
He seems to be getting better, or at least this is a better version of Alex.
Unfortunately, he's completely misattributing the quote.
He says that the author of the quote is unknown, and that it's found written on a cell wall during the Revolutionary War.
That isn't true.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true at all.
dan friesen
The author of that quote is pretty well established.
It was from a March 28, 1947 letter to the editor in the Wall Street Journal written by a man.
jordan holmes
Is it a Nazi?
dan friesen
No, it was written by a lawyer by the name of George Hiram Mann.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Or at least that's the consistent attribution given to the quote as it appears online.
Pretty much across the board.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One place that differs in its attribution is a book that's called The Impossible Dream, a self-published anti-communist track published in 1990.
jordan holmes
Dan read a book.
dan friesen
I was hoping to track down a copy of this to read over, since it's one of the only places that I can find where this quote is attributed to author unknown.
But unfortunately, on Amazon, they only have one copy available, and it costs $400.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wasn't willing to pay that $400 to get a copy of this book, so I decided to see what I could learn about the author, one K.M. Heaton.
Initials?
K.M. Heaton.
It turns out that this is K. Maureen Heaton.
And the more I looked into her, the more certain I was that this book is where Alex got the quote from.
See, the first thing that led me to suspect this is that Heaton is listed as a member on the website of the Foundation of Economic Education.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
The FEE was founded in 1946 and has the distinction of being the first modern think tank specifically set up to promote libertarian ideas.
jordan holmes
That's what I thought.
dan friesen
That seems like the sort of outlet Alex would know about.
And furthering that suspicion is the fact that from 2001 to 2002, the president of FEE was Mark Skousen.
jordan holmes
Oh my god!
dan friesen
Brother of Joel Skousen and nephew of W. Cleon Skousen.
Two people that Alex is all about.
jordan holmes
Why not?
Of course.
dan friesen
So this is completely off topic, but I've been waiting weeks to bring it up.
But unfortunately, W. Cleon Skousen just hasn't come up.
We've often mentioned his stupid books, The Naked Communist and The Naked Capitalist, but...
I recently discovered he's written a ton of books.
A lot of them are weird fundamentalist Mormon stuff.
But in 1962, he published a book called So You Want to Raise a Boy.
jordan holmes
Irregardless of gender.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Question mark also at the end.
So you want to raise a boy?
jordan holmes
So you want to raise a boy?
dan friesen
It's not really...
There's no emphasis given to any of the words.
But there's a lot of different ways that sentence could be said.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
You want to raise a boy?
dan friesen
So you want to raise a boy?
jordan holmes
So you want to raise a boy.
dan friesen
So you want to raise a boy?
jordan holmes
So you want to raise a boy?
dan friesen
Right.
A lot of different ways.
The book includes this passage.
Quote, sometimes boys get into bad sex habits during their early teens.
jordan holmes
Okay, this is in the 60s, right?
62. This is 62, so he doesn't even know about internet porn yet.
dan friesen
This should be avoided.
Every boy should know that masturbation may be the first step towards homosexuality.
Hold on.
Wait for it.
It starts out with masturbation, and then the individual seeks a partner for mutual sex play.
These practices are destructive to the personality, and frequently this type of individual disintegrates to the point where he becomes involved in various types of sex crimes.
jordan holmes
That is quick.
dan friesen
Yeah, that escalated really fast.
jordan holmes
That is the jerk-off to prison pipeline for sure.
dan friesen
In fact, the moral degenerate is responsible for some of the most vicious and sadistic sex crimes on record.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
In practically all cases, homosexuality is cultivated.
When homosexuals are arrested, they try to excuse their conduct by saying, I guess I'm just made that way.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, what we learn from this is that W. Kleon Skousen and his family are really cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Really, really cool.
Is that the reason that he has...
unidentified
Kleon Skousen's got uncles and shit?
dan friesen
And that's why his books are always the naked blank.
jordan holmes
Is he a virgin?
Is he a virgin?
dan friesen
So, anyway, I bring all that up just because this FEE president of it for a couple years was Mark Skousen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I just needed an excuse to talk about that because I've been waiting.
That's...
Admittedly, shoehorned it.
jordan holmes
That is trouble.
dan friesen
So anyway, back on track.
jordan holmes
It is like the more innocuous sounding the think tank's name, the more likely they are to be the most evil Americans for Prosperity.
That doesn't sound bad.
And they vote for murdering every children.
dan friesen
I'm not positive that it has any relation to anything, but the FEE absolutely takes in so much Koch Brothers money.
Yeah, of course.
And Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund give hundreds of thousands of dollars to them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the AstroTurf.
dan friesen
But I don't know if that's related or relevant to any of this stuff at all, so I bring it up, but it's not part of any case I'm building or anything.
Anyway, back on track.
Kay Maureen Heaton is best known for disseminating a document purporting to be evidence of outside meddling in local politics back in 1974.
Heaton was a concerned citizen who operated as a local government watchdog, focusing largely on the California Council on Intergovernmental Relations, or CCIR.
According to her account, quote, It's pretty easy to see what happened here.
They took her off a mailing list, which makes some sense after she testified against them in a governor's commission.
jordan holmes
So she's, she's, but what is the CCRI, like what is it as far as a larger place inside of the government?
dan friesen
I mean, it's the body of the Council on Intergovernmental Relations.
jordan holmes
Like, is it a big deal, or is it just like a little, like the state government and the county government and the city government?
It's those guys.
It's just like a, let's coordinate all of this information.
dan friesen
That's the sense that I get.
Although, as someone who doesn't have, like, my head buried in California politics, it would probably be tough for me to say exactly what it is, but that's the sense that I get.
It has to do with coordination.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I'm getting the sense that she's some lady who goes to these council meetings and is an agitator of some sort.
dan friesen
I don't even know she goes to the meetings necessarily, but gets the documents and then gets mad about it.
jordan holmes
And then gets mad about it.
dan friesen
That's the sense I get as well.
jordan holmes
She's bored.
dan friesen
So, Heaton thought it was a conspiracy that she stopped getting these reports.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
So, she got a state senator involved who told CCIR to give Heaton the documents she wanted.
So, according to Heaton, she shows up at the CCIR office and picks up the reports she was missing, but, quote, I noticed, though, that there was one box near her desk, talking about the secretary, which she studiously avoided.
While she was gone, I idly picked up one of the documents from the box she had not looked into.
It was titled, The Politics of Change in Local Governmental Reform.
If you're keeping score, we now have the first essential element needed to create a nefarious backstory for a document, an attempt to keep it away from someone, whether or not that story is in any way real.
I suspect elements of the story are not accurate if I'm going to put all my cards on the table.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
This sounds like a story I've heard a fucking thousand times from these sorts of weirdos.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on.
She's got government sources.
dan friesen
Right.
So Heaton reviewed the document and found that it was a, quote, textbook on mind control techniques.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
Apologies.
dan friesen
An appalling negation of the principle of self-government as it told public servants how to use politics of change to obtain programs which citizens did not want.
jordan holmes
Ah.
dan friesen
The report itself is a 220-page analysis of how change occurs in local government operations, and it is not a mind-control textbook in any sense of the word.
The preface specifically states, quote, finally, our report tries to be objective.
Put another way, we do not want to assume any stance.
We do not advocate change or restructuring of any kind.
What a community does or plans to do should remain up to the jurisdiction's leadership based on the unique facts of the law.
We do feel, however, that it's timely to study in practical form the ways in which change occurs when it does.
So, what's the change that they're talking about?
Obviously, Heaton thinks that it's some sort of move by the federal government to take over the local.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
In reality, when you read the report, it's super broad as a term.
It encompasses pretty much any kind of altering of local policy.
But one thing it seems particularly interesting is how to deal with growth.
For instance, how does a local government change when the city it represents absorbs previously unincorporated areas on their outskirts?
jordan holmes
Oh, we're going to get into FEMA camps and murder, aren't we?
dan friesen
Not really.
The report describes why this presents a problem.
Quote, problems common to cities and neighboring fringes have continued, with some unincorporated urban areas here have developed into tax havens, which avoid sharing their financial wealth.
So because they aren't part of the city, they are unincorporated.
They're places that are now connected to the city physically but don't have the same tax oversight as the city, so they don't pay back to the city the services that are now afforded them because of the connection to the city.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
And I assume that the document says that it's all right for the city to go to war with the unincorporated areas in order to annex that territory a la Israel and Palestine, right?
dan friesen
And another question they ask is, like, generally speaking, a city is within a county, right?
And so what happens when a city grows beyond the confines of the county?
How does that change the organizational structure of city-county cooperation?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All that sort of stuff.
It's important to note that this report did not advocate change, but was merely a study on how change happens and if it even actually is happening.
You know, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's agnostic to the idea that change is even happening.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
To some extent.
As a tactic of scholarly focus.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They started by sending a questionnaire to local government officials and had this to say about it.
Quote, The motivating factor most frequently mentioned by instigators of change at the local level was cost of government and the belief that a better management system would save money and deliver better quality services.
So what it's saying there in that is that they are already changing.
There's a lot of changes that are already happening without any kind of intervention.
Or the federal government or even the state government doing anything.
jordan holmes
Right.
More of a cause and effect.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like an act and react situation.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So ultimately, the report concluded that change often doesn't happen except outside a, quote, climate for change, which could include the collapse of government function, a civic crisis, a catastrophe like a natural disaster, findings of corruption in local leaders, or financial troubles that are overburdening the city or the county or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You probably called every one of those counties and annoyed them.
Was that another question on the question?
Has Heaton fucking called you?
dan friesen
That doesn't cause change.
And this is what Heaton uses as misinformation, this conclusion that they come to.
So what she does is actually shockingly similar to what Alex does.
She claims that the report is advocating for creating this climate of change in order to push through evil legislation, when that's just her paranoid reading of the text.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
They're descriptively studying case studies and things like that, and they're like, well, there are positive changes that probably could have been helpful that didn't work out.
Why didn't they work out?
And then similarly, there's like, well, this seems like an arbitrary change, but it did.
Why did this one succeed and this one fail?
And what they ultimately found is that there are circumstances that they describe as a climate for change that are usually required, not all the time, but usually required to make things much easier for these changes to happen.
She reads this and she's like, well, obviously they're saying they want change, even though explicitly they say we're not interested in advocating for any specific changes or change at all.
jordan holmes
Well, you can't trust them.
They're the ones who want change.
dan friesen
Right.
So because she believes that they're trying to put...
through this unwanted change, because they're saying that they need a climate of change to do it, obviously they will precipitate that climate of change, which could include the collapse of the government, catastrophes like a natural disaster, civic crisis.
jordan holmes
False flag shootings.
dan friesen
Financial troubles, they'll overburden the system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
All of these things, it's the same paranoid worldview that Alex applies to all of the primary sources he reads.
It's fascinating.
Very similar mental processes going on.
jordan holmes
Lack thereof.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So, Heaton tried to spread the document far and wide, but it only got a little bit of traction in the paranoid right-wing world and caught the attention of a few local politicians.
But in the end, she failed to topple the evil globalist plot, mostly because anyone who would read the report she was citing as evidence of said plot could easily see that she was full of shit.
But this is what makes her relevant in these right-wing worlds.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Being full of shit is what makes you relevant in those right-wing worlds.
dan friesen
So then, in 1990, she wrote The Impossible Dream.
And I was able to find a PDF copy.
jordan holmes
Nice!
dan friesen
So I didn't pay $400, but I did read this.
jordan holmes
I had the same situation.
I was really interested in this book on the Sullivanists in New York, and it turns out there's only one book that's ever been written about them, and in order to get a copy, it's like $250, and I couldn't find a goddamn thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm so interested and so fascinated by it, and I will never be able to read it.
dan friesen
Keep digging.
You'll find it.
jordan holmes
I gotta get to a library.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, this book is just a rambling pile of nonsense.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
For instance, on page 9, Heaton suggests that a rebuttal to the theory of evolution is that no animal who's ever lived has made an impact on history, whereas humans have.
jordan holmes
Air tight.
Did she drop a microphone whenever she wrote that line?
dan friesen
And I have to stress that that's not written as an artistic flourish.
It's literally an argument that she's making against evolution.
That's not good.
I'm certain that Alex has read this book.
Just so many of his ideas are mirrored in the pages.
From the book's introduction, quote, hairs have been split over patriotic resistance to socialism or communism, both of which have been perceived as an apparent goal of this worldwide revolution.
The globalists.
More real than apparent is the true goal, evidenced in every revolutionary move, implicit in every program promoted, actualized in every conquered land, and explicitly stated in early documents.
That true goal is a return to feudalism, with the revolutionaries in total control of all the resources of the world, including what they have identified as, quote, human resources.
Alex talks about the globalists seeing us as human resources a bunch.
That is something that's pretty germane to his worldview that I'm not actually totally honest.
I've heard people talk about in a conspiratorial way many other places.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's weird.
There's just so much of Alex's world in here.
Like, ideas that the forces that have taken over the schools and the media, you know, these nefarious forces.
Arguments that these globalist forces employ the Hegelian dialectic of problem-reaction-solution.
The stock market crash of 1929 was planned to bring in governmental controls.
That's in there.
She defines liberal as, quote, anyone who is a sycophant and conservative as, quote, anyone who is actively resisting the revolution.
Oh, my God.
She points fingers at the Bilderberg Society, the Council on Foreign Relations.
jordan holmes
Give me three dudes created the Federal Reserve.
Give it to me.
I want a bingo.
dan friesen
She claims that a minority of Congress voted to establish the Federal Reserve.
She doesn't say three.
She doesn't say three, but it's pretty close.
And she also says that the Federal Reserve is an evil plan to make everyone poor.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
She hero-worships Joseph McCarthy.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
She frames immigration as a means to take over the country and destroy our, quote, national identity.
She decries globalist meddling in the, quote, internal affairs of Rhodesia and South Africa.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God, no.
She is playing the hits.
dan friesen
She believes that FEMA is a part of a plan to take over the government.
A whole lot of what's in the book is your standard New World Order paranoia dribble.
So it would be really easy to say that she and Alex are probably just cribbing from the same sources.
And I'm certain that explains...
Right, right, right.
And it's something that she brings up repeatedly.
She also uses particular phrasing that I often hear Alex use that I never really hear anywhere else, like the term in the main.
In terms of in the main analysis or whatever, but without the word analysis.
In the main blank.
She uses that.
That's very specific phrasing.
Another thing is that she discusses the oil crisis, and her main piece of evidence that it was a planned conspiracy is citing Lindsay Williams, the supposed chaplain at an Alaskan oil rig who is allowed to live with the globalists.
No shit.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
Also, Heaton argues that the rise in suicide rates among youth in the 90s is attributable to what she calls, quote, death education in schools.
This is a piece of Alex's rhetoric that I've heard a ton of times, but I've never really known where he's getting it from, but it's literally spelled out in this weird self-published book.
I'm not saying necessarily that he got it from there.
It could be from another source.
But it's something that I don't really hear from other places.
The idea that teaching kids about the dangers of suicide and suicidal thinking causes them to commit suicide.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
And even though it's an impossible book to find, essentially, in Alex's Cleon Skousen Marvel Universe.
That does seem like he would have access to a copy of that book somewhere.
dan friesen
Well, my working theory is that if he has read it, it does make total sense because before the times of the internet being really super what it is today, like 1990 when this book came out, the internet was not what it is today.
And the means by which a lot of these patriot militia worlds communicated, there were like...
People would order books from self-published outlets and stuff like that.
There were pamphlets that would go around and things like that.
I could very easily see this book being part of the literature ecosystem.
That Alex had access to at this time.
Or Alex's dad, more likely.
jordan holmes
The Underground Racist Road.
dan friesen
Because 1990, Alex would have been, what, like 15?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Something like that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, his dad, if his dad is John Bircher, I doubt there's any possibility that, or I doubt that they couldn't be one step removed from getting a copy of that book.
dan friesen
I doubt there's a possibility that it's impossible.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But it's not definite.
But one thing that really freaked me out.
Legitimately, I was like, was on page 53. There's a picture of Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Quote.
jordan holmes
This one will be in the future.
dan friesen
Quote.
Every year since 1957, around the Ides of March, the curtain goes up on a round of weird rituals.
Few Americans recognize significance in the sequence of events, if indeed they consciously realize a relationship in them.
But significance exists.
It's subliminal in nature, but these rituals serve to keep the American people alert to what happens to those who, like Joe McCarthy, refuse to compromise with evil.
The rights begin with a saturation reporting by the media of a rash of right-wing extremist or terrorist activities.
It's vital that Americans recognize this campaign for what it is, a classic example of mass blacklist.
Holy shit!
After Christchurch, the shooting in New Zealand, after that, Alex began his show by talking about how the Ides of March, the globalists plan all sorts of things.
jordan holmes
That's fucking crazy.
dan friesen
I have literally not heard anyone ever say that.
jordan holmes
That is fucking insane.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
You're a witch.
You're a goddamn witch, Dan.
You made this happen.
You're a time-traveling witch.
dan friesen
So I think it would be a huge...
Huge stretch to say that Alex took a ton of his inspiration from this book.
A whole lot of it is kind of wonky nonsense about local California politics and insistences that the Politics of Change document that she quote-unquote found in the 70s cracks the entire globalist case wide open.
Honestly, the book is pretty boring and I spent way too much time reading it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I refuse to believe that Alex has never read it.
And here's the thing.
I've never heard him reference it, nor have I ever heard him say the name K.M. Heaton.
And yet, here she is, writing a book that expresses a ton of the things he would go on to preach a good five years before he ever got on the air.
I don't know what this means.
I don't know what to make of it.
But I do know that Heaton's book is one of the very few places that I can find that quote that Alex is reciting is referred to as being attributed to author unknown.
And for the part about it being scrawled on a Revolutionary War cell wall, I think Alex is just making it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a nice little flourish.
dan friesen
I think that's just his imagination.
jordan holmes
That's a nice little flourish, though.
dan friesen
Because I can't find that anywhere.
jordan holmes
Why would that be anywhere?
What did they take a picture or somebody saw it on the cell wall and was like, well, we've got to write that down.
Those are some famous words.
dan friesen
I think that's what Alex calls lore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, what we have here, Jordan, don't get it twisted in any way, is Alex...
Weirdly misattributed a quote, or at least I had the suspicion he misattributed a quote, and then I read 500 pages of nonsense and discovered this book that very clearly has some...
Like, that Ides of March part is really, really, really fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's...
That's like a fingerprint.
That's almost like a fingerprint.
dan friesen
There's the points of comparison.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Are very tight.
jordan holmes
You did some forensic literature analysis right there.
dan friesen
I'm not sure it proves anything, but it looks weird.
jordan holmes
It does look weird.
dan friesen
It looks like Alex probably had this book.
jordan holmes
Is there a picture of her?
Because it was self-published.
We do know that she exists, though, because she was part of the...
dan friesen
I still actually don't know that she exists.
It could be a pseudonym.
jordan holmes
It could be a pseudonym, right?
dan friesen
I have not seen a picture of her, and it's very difficult to trace down any information specific about her, other than she's left a footprint with the FEE, and she self-published this book, and she exists as someone who was a quote-unquote watchdog in the 70s in California politics.
jordan holmes
So weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I also found a site for a show called Sweet Liberty that promoted her book.
And her document.
The Politics of Change document.
And unfortunately, they also sell a bunch of books about how the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are real.
jordan holmes
So they're Pez Dispensers.
Oh boy.
dan friesen
But that doesn't mean that she is necessarily.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Even though there is a lot of that in the book.
jordan holmes
It does sound very Pez Dispensy.
dan friesen
It's at least adjacent.
I don't know.
It's super weird.
I like learning.
And so I'm not mad about that or anything like that.
But it was like, I was reading that book and I'm like, what the fuck?
This is insane.
And while Alex never talks about her piccadillos, the points of interest that she has about California politics and stuff like that, the ideas that she's expressing through that climate of change and the politics of change and that sort of stuff is definitely what Alex thinks the globalists do.
jordan holmes
For sure!
dan friesen
So all of the thematic aspects of it are very similar with the...
jordan holmes
I mean, they're updated.
There's a polish.
There's a new polish on that shit stain.
dan friesen
Yeah, that would probably be the way it's put.
So anyway, sorry about that.
A lot of information up top.
But now let's get into...
This show stinks.
This episode's terrible.
Alex rambles about nothing for a while, and then guess what?
jordan holmes
You know how we can all confirm it's terrible?
You read a 500-page book instead of...
Really?
Like, if the episode was great, yeah, you would have so much planned, you'd be like, I don't have time for this 500-page book.
dan friesen
Let me be clear.
The book is only 300 pages.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
There's 200 pages of that Politics of Change document.
Those two things.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex, you know, like I said, he rambles about nothing, and then guess what?
He has another one of his lawyers on the show.
alex jones
Well, he's a very famous civil rights lawyer, First Amendment lawyer, one of the best in the country, writes forwards for major books with some of the top people out there, and we're just very honored to have Norm Pattis in studio with us.
He also is representing me in Connecticut on the Sandy Hook anti-free speech suits, but that's not why he's on air today.
dan friesen
That is why he's on air.
I mean, that might not be what they talk about the entire time, but that's why he's on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why else would he be on?
dan friesen
Also, I think we're starting to see elements of my predictions starting to come true.
I suggested a while back that one of the directions we might see Alex's show go down in the present day is him go full Lenny Bruce, where he just makes his whole show about his own legal troubles.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think we're starting to see that...
That strain of narcissism become...
Like he's having multiple episodes where his lawyers just come in as guests, which is super weird.
jordan holmes
That is weird.
dan friesen
So, that said, this Norm Pettis character is a real douche.
On January 8th of this year, he got in a little bit of hot water after he posted something pretty racist on Facebook.
From the Connecticut Post, quote, Local attorney Norm Pattis posted Monday a photo depicting three white hooded beer cans around a brown beer bottle hanging by the neck from a refrigerator rack to his Facebook page.
The caption read, quote, Ku Klux Coors.
Pattis explained his bullshit by saying, quote, I enjoy being provocative for the sake of provocation.
I like to drop a bomb and then watch it explode.
In the comments section.
Why?
It's more than blood sport.
I suppose I like the attention.
Alex's goddamn attorney is a troll.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
You know what's worse?
You know what's worse?
I would have given that a solid C +, if he didn't have the brown bottle hanging.
Like, if you just had the Coors cans with the hoods and said Ku Klux Coors, that's a C-plus joke.
That's not a terrible meme.
dan friesen
I mean, if you made some sort of effort to make sure that you weren't in favor of cans being client members...
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
If you somehow make the meme a negative...
Then maybe.
But yeah, I still think it's dicey.
jordan holmes
It's not creative.
dan friesen
The brown bottle hanging is pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the one that puts it beyond C-plus and into you-should-be-arrested territory.
dan friesen
I don't know about arrested.
jordan holmes
I don't mean arrested.
dan friesen
After the NAACP condemned him, people started to say he was an asshole.
Pattis responded, quote, let's face it, if you're white, you can't be right.
Alex's goddamn attorney is a white identitarian troll.
jordan holmes
Why didn't he just say, guys, I'm representing Alex.
You know who I am.
Stop it now.
dan friesen
Well, interestingly, one of Pattis' former clients was Anna Christina, who's also known as the Manhattan Madam.
She ran an escorting ring, and guess who her big client was?
Alex's good buddy, Charlie Sheen.
I'm not sure that even means anything, but it seems weird to me.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
You know, small world, right.
Everybody knows everybody.
dan friesen
Very strange, though.
Among his other past clients was Lucian Wintrich of the Gateway Pundit.
So you kind of see where his bread is buttered.
I think he's figured out a way to latch on to the right-wing grifters and make money off them.
I applaud the hustle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like the lawyer in The Wire.
You know, for Avon Barksdale.
It's like, he knows what you're doing.
Everybody knows what he's doing.
He's making a shit ton of money, though, so let it ride.
dan friesen
Yeah, so weirdly, he also represented the New Haven Occupy encampment back in 2012, which isn't so much a counterexample to these examples of what he's doing now, as much as it is one more instance of the weird trajectories a lot of people took after Occupy.
For example, Jason Kessler, the guy who organized the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, was involved in Occupy before.
It was an event that had a broad appeal, is what I'm saying.
A lot of people who had a lot of different motives got involved.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it is the 99% versus the 1%.
It's not like all 99% is great.
They're not all great guys.
dan friesen
Just because this is always so fucking fun.
I'd like to read to you from Norm Pattis' blog from December 20, 2012.
Oh, no.
About a week after the shooting at Sandy Hook.
Quote, Cigarettes don't kill people.
People do.
That would be the tobacco lobby lying to the world.
We'd recognize the claim at once as transparent nonsense.
So we tax tobacco using the proceeds to pay for, among other things, health care for those destroying themselves by indulging their right to smoke.
Why not use the same public policy tools to attempt to control gun violence?
I concede a hidden agenda.
Were it within my power, I'd repeal the Second Amendment.
It's an anachronism.
Alex's lawyer is a goddamn gun grabber.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
In the response to Sandy Hook, he's clearly like, I would repeal the Second Amendment.
jordan holmes
And I'm about to defend a guy who's denying that it happened at all.
dan friesen
And hoping Alex doesn't find this blog post, because he will murder me.
Norm goes on to suggest a mechanism he'd like to put into place.
Quote, These fines would catch the attention of folks, trucking and bartering and firearms.
It might also inspire a sense of greater accountability and responsibility.
He concludes by saying, quote, You'll have to pry my gun from my cold, dead fingers, a friend of mine said not too long ago.
Fine, I say.
Game on.
It's time to get serious about gun control.
Gun violence is a matter of life and death.
Don't expect me to fight fair against the fear your gun will kill me.
jordan holmes
Those are solid words.
I give that one a B+.
dan friesen
As we're listening to old 2012-2013 episodes in our Sandy Hook investigation, one thing that we found is that Alex is completely obsessed with the impending gun grab, to the point where he's on the border of incitement.
Yeah.
Towards his audience.
And saying that there's the Civil War coming.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They're trying to kick off a Civil War by advocating for taking guns.
I find it completely hilarious that his new lawyer in his Sandy Hook defamation trial is literally one of the people he was saying was trying to destroy the country and kick off a Civil War.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't vet anything.
jordan holmes
Billable hours, please.
I don't need to tell you my personal beliefs at all, but you do need to pay me.
So long as you hit me monthly, man, I'll say whatever you want me to say.
dan friesen
I mean, I just don't understand how you can end up with someone as your lawyer who is someone who advocates for something that you are publicly saying is...
Going to overthrow the country and the freedoms.
It's like a lawyer who literally said, if I could, I would get rid of the Second Amendment, something that Alex Jones seems to be the only thing he actually cares about consistently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sure does seem like that.
unidentified
It's weird.
jordan holmes
You know, that's an interesting question as far as, you know, like the ACLU is...
He has defended absolute, utter racists in the past.
unidentified
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
I'm not judging the lawyers.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
I'm judging Alex's.
jordan holmes
Well, if he's a good lawyer, who gives a shit what he believes?
Because Alex doesn't really believe, you know, Alex isn't going to let him take his guns away, but he is going to let him get him off.
dan friesen
No, fuck that.
Because he can't be that good of a lawyer that there's not someone else who's as good.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
That will work with Alex.
dan friesen
Well, Alex wouldn't consider that a variable.
He thinks everyone is clamoring to work for him.
The issue is, if this guy is someone who advocates for the repeal of the Second Amendment...
Alex doesn't want him to be associated with his big First Amendment win against these defamation lawsuits.
Why would he bring this guy along who wants to get rid of the Second Amendment to ride his coattails?
As they take it to the Supreme Court.
Right?
jordan holmes
It's not going to the Supreme Court.
dan friesen
But that's what Alex thinks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
Little boy.
dan friesen
So if he thinks that his First Amendment precedent-setting case that he's involved in is going to make it to the Supreme Court, you don't want this guy who wants to get rid of the Second Amendment to be in the Supreme Court and get a win in the Supreme Court?
jordan holmes
Supreme Court?
That'd be a big deal.
dan friesen
That only makes him this much closer to actually getting rid of the Second Amendment.
I don't know.
Who cares?
It's just Alex is stupid.
The lawyer, if he is taking the case on a free speech absolute form basis, whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
Whatever.
You might lose that case, but I'm not mad at you for taking it.
Or whatever.
Monsters still need representation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's an underpinning of our system.
dan friesen
And you need to make some money.
So, good on you.
jordan holmes
Good on you.
dan friesen
Although, stop it with the racist memes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's tough.
That one's tough.
I'm actually going to move that back down to a B- because his plan is terrible.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That $250,000, $10,000, $5,000, that's like the flat tax all over again.
That's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
I think it was just sort of a broad idea.
I think it was just sort of spitballing.
jordan holmes
I know.
I'm just saying, come back when you've got a second draft for me.
Don't toss off a Facebook post.
dan friesen
So, interestingly, this guy, this Norm Pattis, is also a lawyer who represented Candace Owens.
But not when she was Candace Owens, as we know her.
jordan holmes
When she was Owen Candace?
dan friesen
No.
This was back in 2008, when she was, I believe, still in high school.
And she was the victim of some racist harassment.
And sexual harassment from white students.
And so she...
I don't believe that she sued the people who were harassing her, but she reported this harassment to the school, and they didn't take care of it.
And so she and her parents sued the school district for failing to take care of it and respond appropriately.
And she ended up winning like $37,000 in a settlement.
Or something like that.
And Norm Pattis was her lawyer.
I don't want to say anything about this, really, because I don't know all the details of this case.
I did find an article about it, so I can't say that it's a real thing, certainly.
And I believe her.
I believe Candace.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Just because I think her politics suck and all that stuff doesn't mean that I don't believe her that she, as a youth, was the victim of this sort of horrible harassment and abuse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I believe that.
jordan holmes
And even though she is presenting ideas right now that would only perpetuate that very same horrible abuse, that does not mean that she does not deserve to be protected from it.
dan friesen
No, and totally.
The only thing that I take issue with is that she does say things like...
Real hate crimes don't exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hate crimes are all hoaxes and that sort of thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
She's involved with that sort of rhetoric being put out into the world.
And so the fact that...
I mean, I didn't know this about her before.
That was part of her history.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That makes it even worse.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
That she's putting those sorts of ideas out and hanging out with people and reinforcing people who put those ideas into it.
The fact that she used to come on Infowars kind of regularly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex talks, I believe in this next clip, about how he was almost going to hire her.
Like that sort of thing.
It's like...
You know that this stuff happens.
You know you were the victim of this.
So you know that other people also are and they aren't making it up.
Yet you are helping a system of rhetoric be established and normalized that says that people are making it up.
And were those people to hear your story...
They would say you were making it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that sucks.
I'm not entirely sure.
I don't want to litigate any of it.
It's not important other than to say that learning that she has that inner history makes her look worse now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I believe her and my heart goes out to her as a high schooler having to deal with that sort of thing.
I also, my heart goes out to her after hearing Alex talk about her like this.
alex jones
A year and a half ago, two years ago, I had a chance to hire her.
I got busy.
We never got it done.
I'm glad that she's at Turning Point USA.
She's awesome.
She's super sexy, super smart, has great integrity.
No wonder they're so scared of her.
jordan holmes
You know, what's number one on that list, Dan?
dan friesen
Isn't it weird that that's always the first thing that comes up whenever he's talking about any of these women that are part of his side?
It's always the first thing.
They're so fucking sexy.
Gross, man.
jordan holmes
Well, it's the same for Roger Ailes.
There's a reason every anchor is blonde and white.
dan friesen
So, at this point, they get done talking about Candace Owens.
They talk about her for a long time, and try and defend the idea that she, you know, those comments that she made about, like, if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great, that would be wonderful, but he had international aspirations, and that's why I hate globalism.
I don't even give a fuck about saying that she's rationalizing Hitler.
I just think that whatever she was...
Even taken as a defense of nationalism and anti-globalism kind of thing, I still think it's just stupid.
jordan holmes
It's insane.
dan friesen
So take the evil out of it and it's like, well, you're just saying dumb shit.
jordan holmes
Conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
She does know.
What's going on?
And she's grifting the very people who hurt her as a child.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
She knows that they're the easiest to grift.
She's a black woman.
unidentified
Who's going to step into her spot?
jordan holmes
Omarosa's gone.
dan friesen
You read too many comic books is what I think.
The idea of that sort of scheme.
jordan holmes
She's going to reveal in two years when she's the president that she was fucking with the white nationalists the whole time.
dan friesen
That would be interesting.
jordan holmes
And she's the most...
Progressive president in history.
dan friesen
I'm not going to hold my breath.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, they get done with all that, and Alex is talking to his lawyer some more, this Patton, no, Pattis, and they start talking about Eisenhower's farewell speech.
This might be some revisionist history.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
norm pattis
Recall Eisenhower's famous warning about the military.
alex jones
Everybody quotes him.
It's a 21-minute speech.
It's a farewell speech, 1961, in January.
Everybody always, only partially quotes.
He says there's a technological controlling elite over the military-industrial complex, and we must then beware that they are in control of the military-industrial complex.
He goes on to say they're a breakaway civilization and a monopolizing the future and creating, basically, a new class system.
dan friesen
So, at no point in Eisenhower's final speech does he mention a breakaway society.
That's just pure bullshit, and Alex is just making that up.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
At one point he does use the words, quote, scientific technological elite, but the context he's using it in is very clear.
Eisenhower is discussing a balance that needs to be maintained where the government needs to be involved in the development of science and technology, but not so involved that it controls it.
If the government is not involved at all, it runs the risk of, quote, becoming captive to the scientific technological elite, who would have full control over the modern innovations which the government was dependent upon.
Similarly, the government shouldn't totally be involved because that would replace intellectual curiosity with government money, which would lead to a likely dead end in terms of innovation.
The context is very clear.
There's another problem with Alex's thinking that this speech is somehow a warning about the globalists.
In that Eisenhower is literally advocating in the speech for the things that Alex thinks the globalists want.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
Where the countries of the world are seen as equals.
Eisenhower literally also says, quote, disarmament with mutual honor and confidence is a continuing imperative.
He was trying to disarm the world, which is something that Alex is worried that the UN is trying to do through their non-binding treaties.
jordan holmes
And even in the way that they're rewriting this, it is...
So much a defense of the military-industrial complex.
You know, like, oh, no, no, no, no.
The military-industrial complex, that's great.
We just gotta get rid of the guys running it.
They're evil.
What if we were running it?
We would run it so well.
dan friesen
Not evilly.
jordan holmes
No, definitely not.
dan friesen
So, that's stupid.
Alex is just making shit up, as he always does about history.
It's the same behavior that Heaton was using in terms of her reading of documents.
He's assuming so much of what Eisenhower meant by all this, and then citing it as gospel, and that's inappropriate.
jordan holmes
It's always fascinating to go back and look at the things that presidents have said that they...
What, you know, weren't able to accomplish during their, you know.
His speech is unbelievably prescient in the way that Facebook and Google and all that stuff run everything.
Sort of.
And the government isn't really involved.
And they're also stifling innovation themselves.
But at the same time, he didn't really do much about any of that stuff.
dan friesen
It's an open question as to whether he could have.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
But that's exactly my point.
jordan holmes
Jimmy Carter, all of these guys who wind up being dead on in...
in terms of what should have happened, are constrained by the limitations of the government.
They weren't able to actually accomplish those things because of all the entrenched moneyed interests like the military-industrial complex.
dan friesen
Yeah, perhaps.
Perhaps that explains a lot.
So Alex talks about how he's expanding, and he's signed two new radio hosts, and he has an in-house show that's going to be launching.
Really?
Fuck you, I'll believe it when I see it.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
I feel like there's no chance this is true.
jordan holmes
He can afford that?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, maybe if it's like Harrison Smith is the in-house show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever.
That's going to be a ratings bonanza.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then the hosts he could have signed might be fucking Rappaport.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Okay, whatever.
You've got Rappaport and Larry Hagman, or whatever.
Right, so it could be that bland of a thing.
Basically, people who are doing the fourth hour are now going to do a show or something like that.
jordan holmes
On the other hand, he does have both Stone and Corsi's salaries off the books now, so he can hire some low-rent people.
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
You don't know that?
He was paying Corsi for quite a while after he got let go.
jordan holmes
Well, they're on expiring contracts, if you will.
You could flip them for prospects pretty easily in the NBA.
dan friesen
Corsi's contract or whatever, payments, I believe that is absolutely ended.
Roger, I think he probably still has to pay.
It's not like you're just like, he's not working here anymore, and now I'm free of all financial obligations.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
Of course not.
dan friesen
I'm sure whatever arrangement he had had some sort of a parachute.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But also, something I learned recently is that Buckley is gone.
I didn't know that.
Buckley doesn't work there anymore.
jordan holmes
What happened to Buckley?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I just know that he's not there anymore.
I have sources.
jordan holmes
Are we on Buckley Watch?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Has anybody seen Buckley?
dan friesen
It does explain a lot, though, because I was wondering why he'd been posting inspirational videos about how you can do whatever you put your mind to.
jordan holmes
So now he's a wedding DJ?
dan friesen
Yeah, might be.
But he was posting these videos, and they're like, I don't know.
unidentified
That's the fucking water tower in downtown Chicago.
Really?
dan friesen
Buckley lives in Chicago.
unidentified
Buckley's here now?
dan friesen
I might have to find him.
jordan holmes
Oh, we gotta hang out with Buckley.
dan friesen
Or he's looking for us.
I'm not sure what the case is, but I'd love to talk to Buckley.
He seems like a nice guy.
jordan holmes
He seems all right.
dan friesen
So anyway, we get to this next clip where Alex talks a little bit about his feelings about Assange.
And Paul-Jose Watson's on the line.
They're talking.
And I don't think this is very interesting, quite frankly.
But I expected much more of a take from Alex in terms of Assange.
Because it seems like something he cares a lot about, or at least has.
Listen to this.
This is very underwhelming.
alex jones
Maybe cue that up.
We played it yesterday.
I don't know who's got it.
WikiLeaks the Russians.
If you've got it, release it.
You can't say release it.
Then he released the goods, the spirit cooking, the corruption, the rigging the polls, the rigging the debates.
The president, as a candidate, ordered Assange to do it.
Assange did it.
Trump must.
I'm still going to like Trump, but let me tell you.
I'm going to do it with a little bit of shame, Paul.
If he doesn't...
If he doesn't let Assange out of prison, my God, Paul, what do you think?
dan friesen
So Paul rambles a bit after that.
His take on it is also not all that important.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because Paul's approach to it is essentially like, okay, well, the fact that Trump and his administration is looking to extradite Assange to the United States means that there wasn't any coordination between Assange and Russia and stuff like that.
Or Trump at all.
And they're like, well, maybe.
jordan holmes
That's a nonsensical take.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, yeah.
I don't know what the truth of any of these.
Of course!
Of course!
And that is not us or me or you at all saying that that is what's going on, just that Paul's argument is dumb.
Now, Alex's argument is just pathetic, because he's like, I think, you know, Trump told him to release those things.
He did, and now he's being persecuted.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll still like Trump, but I'll do it with a little bit of shame if he doesn't let him go.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Where's the line, man?
jordan holmes
Shove Assange up your own dirty asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like, where's the line nonsense?
jordan holmes
It's just made up.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex tries to get Paul Joseph Watson pumped up, and we'll see if it works.
alex jones
What would you quantify this?
Because we're not trying to drive around in Lamborghinis or be in Hollywood or any of that, but the true fame we have, the infamy we have because of our audience and their steadfast support.
It's just incredible.
I want to salute the supporters that have stood with us through all of this.
We've changed the world, Paul, and I want to salute you, and I want to salute this crew.
We've still got a long way to go, but we've won some big-ass battles here, brother.
unidentified
We've won some battles, and it's all worth it!
alex jones
I've known we can win this thing, and whatever else we've got to go through, let's just commit to this.
Do you feel what I'm saying?
Do you feel it, Watson?
paul joseph watson
Yeah, we've won some battles, and we've basically won the argument.
unidentified
That's the time that we're in now.
We've won the argument.
paul joseph watson
That's why populism's rising.
dan friesen
That's not why.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
You hear, like, his response was almost like a...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was almost like a scoff.
jordan holmes
You're angry, we're losing.
You do realize that.
dan friesen
But Alex, I don't think that's anger.
I think what that is is like, we had some good times, didn't we?
We did good, didn't we?
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's an enthusiasm of trying to get this other person to recognize and feel what you feel about what you've done.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, we did it, didn't we?
Like, it's two people at the end of a run.
Yeah.
Man, we went through a lot out there, didn't we?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We left it all on the field.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I lean more towards him having done that tour of podcasts and being like, see, I got my message out when they tried to tell me that I couldn't possibly do it.
Like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
It's usually about him.
That's my default position is...
Look at how great I am, even when he's saying, I want to salute you.
dan friesen
But Alex wants Paul to feel the way that Alex is expressing, because that will make Alex feel more justified and entitled to feel that way.
So it is still all about him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's true.
Always.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here of April 12th, and it's a reveal of who is hosting the fourth hour on this episode.
unidentified
You're listening to The Alex Jones Show with Nick Baggage.
The Alex Jones Show with Nick Baggage.
jordan holmes
I hope he doesn't come in and we just listen to this song.
dan friesen
This song is great!
unidentified
Welcome back to Infowars.
And you know, the last couple hours of the broadcast, pretty interesting stuff, right?
dan friesen
No.
I only kept that in.
I don't give a fuck about what Nick Begich has to say.
It was dude's smooth dance.
jordan holmes
Smooth!
dan friesen
That was very weird.
jordan holmes
Where did that come from?
dan friesen
Very un-Info-Warsy.
jordan holmes
I'm guessing Nick Baggich got to choose his own intro music on that one.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I only left that in because you know where Nick Baggich was on April 8th, 2019?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Project Camelot.
jordan holmes
Oh, you also grabbed a couple clips from Project Camelot, didn't you?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Shit.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I just stood up.
I was so excited.
dan friesen
Nick Begich is too boring.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's just to say that, like, within a couple days, he was on both Project Camelot and hosting the fourth hour of Alex's show.
I just introduced this as an exhibit in terms of my argument that these worlds are not as different as you think.
jordan holmes
They share a booking agent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I know you got excited there that I had some clips from Project Camelot, and I apologize that I don't.
But like I said at the beginning of this episode, I do want to send you on your vacation in style.
And so I do have something special for you.
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
I know.
Jordan.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I went back to the well.
And I decided that you're going away for a while.
It's only right that you go out on a real high note.
jordan holmes
I already did.
Can't end it right now.
I heard we made it to 300 episodes.
I heard that song.
I'm ending at the top of the world.
I'm going to Disneyland!
dan friesen
No, there's so much more to experience.
So I went back to Lionel's YouTube channel, and I'm like, there's definitely a lot of green pasture here to dig over.
Just because we did an entire episode about it doesn't mean that there isn't still...
jordan holmes
Cole in that mine.
dan friesen
Amazing hot takes from Lionel.
unidentified
Now, as we get into some of this...
dan friesen
Please remember that Lionel is now a QAnon promoter and that he was invited to the goddamn White House and had his picture taken with Trump.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
So I think part of- I think we could have like a- Automated take, like a website that just generates Mad Lib takes for Lionel and it would be the exact same thing.
dan friesen
Not a chance.
Lionel's actual ones are weirder.
So here's the first one.
Jordan, I think that you will be blown away by the fact that Lionel is wasting everyone's time with this.
lionel
Diogenes was looking for an honest man.
I'm looking for someone who actually likes mines.
Someone who says, oh boy, look, the arm on the mantle routine.
Look, the guy in a box.
But at least there was a pathetic attempt of doing something cute while on mute.
Today it's just standing there, desecrating old glory and begging for money.
dan friesen
So real quick, he has a picture up of someone who's panhandling but is doing a MIMAC.
I'm like, fuck you!
Fuck you being mad at this person who's doing mine stuff with a hat out.
jordan holmes
How does he feel about living statues?
dan friesen
No, that's what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's what he's talking about.
Yeah, basically.
dan friesen
So he's mad at mines.
Great.
lionel
And in a similar vein, I can't stand mascots or anybody in a foam suit.
They frighten me, and I think it's satanic.
And I've had it with magicians.
Don't waste my time showing me the act that I know you practice, and I know you'll do.
Just tell me ahead of time how you're going to find the card or whatever and lose that smirk, that...
Mystical look.
It's not magic!
It's a rehearsed trick, and the real magic is how you wasted a part of my life that I'll never get back!
jordan holmes
That's ironic to a degree that I cannot even comprehend!
dan friesen
I feel so similar about watching so many of his videos.
How much time he's wasted of my life.
jordan holmes
I think he just said he is mad that magic isn't real.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I think he is very infuriated at magicians for working very hard on their craft, as opposed to...
Making a deal with some sort of deity to gain power.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, hey, I'm mad that you are entertaining.
lionel
Also, fuck you.
dan friesen
Magic is great.
Magic is awesome.
Every time someone has come up to me on the street and been like, do you want to see a trick?
I'm like, yes, I do.
Of course.
100%.
Please show me a trick.
It brightens my day.
Like, it's the best.
Even if it turns out they do the trick and then they're like, can I have a dollar?
Yes, you can have a dollar.
jordan holmes
There was a video of the guy who won the World Close-Up Magic Championships, which is great to know that that exists.
But what he did was fucking incredible.
I don't need magic to be real to know that what that guy did is magic.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
The amount of practice and dedication you have to put in is like...
I mean, whatever amount of time Lionel spent writing this bullshit piece of editorial, like, is nothing compared to what you have to do to be able to make a card disappear.
unidentified
I know!
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
You lazy piece of shit!
dan friesen
How dare you be mad at someone who has a craft?
unidentified
It's crazy!
dan friesen
This hacky bullshit!
I hate mimes!
unidentified
Who's mad at mimes?
jordan holmes
Who's listening to you be mad at mimes?
dan friesen
I think Trump!
I think the reason that Trump invited him to the White House wasn't QAnon stuff.
jordan holmes
It's because he hates mimes.
dan friesen
No, because he's on PIX11, which is a New York station.
I bet Trump watched Lionel on TV and knew him as a media figure before he got into QAnon.
I suspect.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
What a fucking take.
dan friesen
How dare you be mad at mimes?
It's the least of anyone's problems.
At all.
jordan holmes
Did you get knocked over by a mime?
dan friesen
Musto.
jordan holmes
Did you get punched by a mime?
What happened to you that a mime is the object of your ire?
dan friesen
I mean, old time, like, vaudeville era entertainment, you got a lot of mimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then in the next generation after that, which is, I guess, when he probably came of age, there was a lot of jokes about mimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the world we're living in now, and this, sure, I mean, this was probably...
Eight, nine years ago.
This piece.
jordan holmes
This take?
This hot take?
dan friesen
It still was irrelevant.
The idea of, like, making fun of mimes.
jordan holmes
What entertainment do you like?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Oh, wait.
Actually, I don't know.
But I do know that there is a piece of entertainment that he doesn't like that he brings up in this clip that is not my Murray.
lionel
Entertainment world's abuzz over the news that Anchorman 2's been announced.
Will Ferrell will reprise his role as Ron Burgundy.
Great.
Ron Burgundy's no Ted Baxter.
Let me explain.
The significance of the Ted Baxter character cannot be overstated.
When the Mary Tyler Moore show debuted in the fall of 1970, keep in mind the zeitgeist.
And more importantly, that of television broadcast news.
Cronkite wouldn't sign off until March the 6th, 1981, 11 years later.
Cronkite was Zeus.
And in the pantheon were Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Douglas Edwards, Charles Collingwood, Robert Trout, Richard C. Hodlett, Eric Severide, and the inimitable Edward R. Murrow.
I mean, it was like the 1927 Yankees.
These guys were venerable and venerated, wise, distinguished, and honored and respected.
Not the airbrushed, botoxed, slathered, and sutured pretty boys.
Myself exploded.
unidentified
No, these folks were the status that was exalted.
lionel
They had come from print, out of the blood and fog of war, and no, no comparison today.
Then, entered Ted Baxter.
At the height of our love and respect affair with these broadcast news giants, Ted Baxter presaged the news-anchored dolt, the empty suit, the human news version of the Potemkin village, and its idiot.
dan friesen
So, like, I mean, sure.
Ted Baxter was a great character in the Mary Tyler Moore show.
He was very funny and stuff like that.
But, like, that's just parody.
And, like, so is Anchor.
Why are you mad?
unidentified
Why can't they both be pretty decent satire?
dan friesen
Like, I don't...
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
I guess, I mean, making fun of mimes, hearkening to, like, this new version of news parody isn't as good as my version of news parody.
It's just, like, I wish things were the 70s again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why aren't all of his broadcasts just, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel?
lionel
I'm old.
unidentified
I'm old.
jordan holmes
End broadcast.
dan friesen
You know that Lovecraft story, the Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
The character, Randolph Carter, he dreams of this magical city of the gods that it's forbidden for humans to go to.
And so he's like, nah, I want to go.
So he tries, and he has these adventures with these cats who fight the army.
It's great.
So he tries to get back to the city of Kadath, the city that he dreamed of.
jordan holmes
And it turned out that it was just people who practiced really hard at building a city, and they didn't want people in?
dan friesen
No, there was a city of the gods, but because of the version of it that he had dreamed of...
It was so much better than the actual city of the gods that the gods left Kadath and went to his city that he had dreamed of.
jordan holmes
In the dreams, yeah.
dan friesen
And so it was actually, what he was dreaming of was the city of his childhood.
It was Providence when he was a kid.
And that was, like, his memories of his youth were so beautiful that he had lured the gods to this dream city of his own.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's a nostalgia warning.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Or just an artistic expression of some of those ideas.
That's what Lionel is doing.
He doesn't realize that all of these complaints he has are basically just because of him idealizing his childhood when he watched Mary Tyler Moore.
jordan holmes
I'm Lionel, and my back hurts.
I will see you next time.
You might as well just do that.
dan friesen
It's not far off.
But he also drifts into some other interesting areas of criticism.
Does he?
Well, I mean, so far we've heard mimes and magicians and mascots.
The three M's of evil.
jordan holmes
And what is it with moths?
I prefer butterflies.
dan friesen
The three M's of evil, out.
Anchorman 2, gone.
Terrible.
jordan holmes
Baxter.
dan friesen
But little do we know that our boy Lionel also has some ideas about clothing?
unidentified
Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel.
lionel
The foot is an amazing feat of engineering.
And what women do to their feet is nothing short of horrific.
Shoe designers are sadists.
Sick and demented dispensers of torture that would make even Lindy England cringe.
That's hard to tell when she's cringing with that mug.
And the granddaddy of cobbler sadists, the torque amada of Inquisition footwear, is this guy, Manolo Blahnik.
Second only to this monster, Jimmy Choo.
Manolo the Madman was made famous in that cable show about four miserable, self-indulgent, narcissistic, and heavily Botox social misfits.
Four dames who constantly complain and gripe and cry in their cosmos about why no one, get this, no one loves them or finds them the least bit worthy of attention.
dan friesen
He's talking about sex in the city.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought he was talking about Golden Girls.
lionel
So, women in their primordial love of the shoe felt a strange compulsion to buy these torture devices and as such, when purchasing a pair of fetching sandals, confused and optically challenged women attempt to force into them, in some cases, disfigured and gnarled claws that belong on a carnival midway.
dan friesen
So now he's showing pictures of like mangled feet on the screen, which the rest of the people in the studio aren't enjoying.
lionel
Bunioned and hammered toed feet that can double for a hoof.
unidentified
Feet that are weathered, worn and particled.
lionel
Calloused and cracked paws that have withstood a lifetime of abuse.
dan friesen
I'm sure Lionel hears, come on, a lot.
lionel
Come on!
We're talking circus quality here, folks.
Why, in the name of God, does a woman now decide to expose to the world, in some cases...
Because you have a foot fetish?
Because there is an illusion that stems from the belief that a pair of sandals are cute.
Translation?
Obscenely expensive tiny slivers of leather stitched onto a wafer-thin sole that sits atop a heel that is so high it distorts and contorts your gait and forces her to display the silliest examples of locomotion that would baffle the most learned neurologist.
In fact, John Cleese on his best day couldn't come up with anything close to it.
So there you have it.
And I leave you with this simple question.
Why?
dan friesen
Why don't you answer your own fucking question and look into the history of women's shoes?
jordan holmes
And then you'll figure out why your question is stupid.
dan friesen
He's complaining about women's shoes so much as if they have chosen the history.
Of women's shoes.
jordan holmes
What is it with women and shoes?
It's almost like thousands of years ago, men forced a standard of beauty upon these feet that they couldn't live up to without some sort of device to take care of it.
And then men have only perpetuated the oppression throughout this time.
And that's why, what are women doing buying shoes?
dan friesen
I don't know.
That to me was wild.
I was like, huh.
Did you not think about this at all?
lionel
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the complaint, I guess, is valid of these shoe designers perpetuating and continuing that tradition of restrictive shoe wear.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm fine with talking shit on shoe designers.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Good for you.
dan friesen
But then somehow he makes it the women on Sex and the City's fault, which is not great.
And then it seems to also...
jordan holmes
I'm still going to go with Golden Girls on that one.
dan friesen
So much of the blame seems to be resting at the feet, if you'll pardon my use.
The word of women.
jordan holmes
Pun definitely intended.
dan friesen
I feel like he's targeting the wrong area here.
Maybe there's a bigger picture you could look at, Lionel.
Maybe that's not your thing.
I know you're big into QAnon now.
So maybe it's sort of a tradition of his career that you just focus on the wrong.
jordan holmes
Isn't it amazing that you can get away with asking a question that you could have answered before you did the...
Like, you're asking the question after you've already given your dumb opinion.
dan friesen
What was the prep on this?
jordan holmes
Why didn't you ask the question first and then look into it and then be like, Oh, hey guys, here's my complaint about footwear.
It's us.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, or, like, why don't you bring up the Chinese?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, why don't you bring up any foot-binding stuff?
unidentified
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Like, why not, like, you could make your report better if you tried.
jordan holmes
So easy.
If you tried at all.
Just a little bit.
It's amazing that a white man with a thesaurus doesn't have to think and he can still get a TV show.
dan friesen
Totally.
So, speaking of something that a lot of average white men do, stand-up comedy.
Hey!
jordan holmes
I wonder what his hot take on that is.
dan friesen
He doesn't have a hot take on it as much as...
So, Jordan, this next...
jordan holmes
What are they using words for?
Why aren't we mimes anymore?
Mimes used to be the height of entertainment.
unidentified
I fucking wish I found one where he was talking about a great mime song.
jordan holmes
That would be perfect.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I would give anything for that.
dan friesen
This clip, in this episode of Lionel's report, is...
I would describe it as him trying out some open mic material.
Like someone hooked him up with a check set.
Over at the New York Comedy Club or something like that.
And he's got to work it out.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
He's at Gladys' this weekend.
dan friesen
We are going to have to pause periodically, I think, just to check in with how he's doing on these jokes.
Because this is one of the only ones where I'm like, he's actually trying to do jokes.
unidentified
Okay.
Nylon, nylon, nylon, nylon.
And now...
lionel
Miscellaneous thoughts.
Where'd all the bedbugs go?
jordan holmes
What's in the news today?
lionel
There was a time when every TV news show dedicated story after story to the epidemic of these hematophagic buggers.
Whatever happened to them?
dan friesen
I'll tell you.
jordan holmes
I had them a while ago.
dan friesen
Yeah, a couple years back I had bedbugs and it was one of the worst fucking things I've ever experienced.
There's tons of buildings in Chicago that you can just go and look up that are like, don't move into this building.
There are websites dedicated specifically to warning consumers about buildings that have unresolved bed bug problems.
Lionel, what the fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Whatever happened to bed bugs?
Well, I had to burn a lot of them in the fucking dryer.
With all of my stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I had to set all my things on fire.
You idiot.
Yeah, what the hell?
That's not even a joke.
jordan holmes
Where'd all the bed bugs go?
lionel
And what's now virus?
And the dead bees?
And the birds that were showing up?
Whatever happened to mad cow?
What about H1N1?
Have you ever calculated your BMI, your body mass index?
Look how little you can weigh and still be considered normal.
Don't you love local commercials?
unidentified
The ones where the owners insist on being in the spot?
lionel
Remake your dreams come true!
I love that one.
dan friesen
So that must be a local New York commercial, and I guess that as a joke is just sort of, like, it's based on recognition, and it's like he's doing an impression of it.
So, I mean, I guess that misses the mark for us in Chicago a decade later.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying, Lionel, is local jokes means local work.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
But then also, I didn't even pause it, because I didn't realize that was the end of the joke with that body mass index.
jordan holmes
That was it!
That's unreal.
dan friesen
Where's the joke?
jordan holmes
Where?
lionel
Boy.
jordan holmes
I'm confused.
What is he trying to...
All he did was just list a bunch of things that he doesn't hear about anymore?
dan friesen
That was still a continuation of the bedbugs bit, I guess.
But yes.
Mad Cow does still exist.
Wes Nile and H1N1 were, I guess, of a season.
jordan holmes
I think the answer to that, whatever happened to all of these horrible things, is we all know about them now, so they don't need to be in the news every day.
dan friesen
I guess maybe they got sensationalized a little bit, but they also killed old people and children.
I don't know.
Not a good bit so far.
I wouldn't book him.
Let's see if he gets any better.
lionel
Who buys all those knives at three in the morning on QVC?
You know, I could watch Ron Paulfield's Showtime Rotisserie ad all day.
jordan holmes
Lonely people, Lionel.
lionel
I've been watching it in Spanish.
I admit it.
I read the value-packed mailer.
I love to walk over to a grown man wearing a jersey that says Manning on the back and ask him, excuse me, are you Eli Manning?
Boo!
Then why are you wearing a jersey that says you are?
unidentified
Boo!
You're confused and walk away in disgust.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's your fault.
dan friesen
Is that the end of the joke?
jordan holmes
And then they walk away in disgust.
dan friesen
I've heard variations of that at open mics.
The idea of, like, why are you wearing someone else's clothes?
That sort of thing.
You need more meat on those bones.
jordan holmes
You need a little bit more than, hey, are you Eli Manning?
No?
Well, next joke.
dan friesen
I know why you're doing it, but I would caution you to resist the urge to boo him.
jordan holmes
Because we might miss some of this gold?
dan friesen
Well, no, and also I think that there's some value in just hearing the crickets in the room, you know?
That's true.
jordan holmes
It's my favorite so far.
dan friesen
I don't want you to boo over the silence.
jordan holmes
I think there were like, I think it was the second clip where something he said, there was just a, and then moved on.
That was my favorite thing that's ever happened.
dan friesen
I'm just pausing it, too.
This isn't clips or anything.
This is all one thing.
I'm just pausing it whenever we need to analyze.
lionel
You know, I'm still waiting for someone to be charged with a love crime.
I love when El Blumito speaks Spanish, especially when they have a translation underneath him in Spanish.
Did you know that Kenny G and Mr. G were related?
dan friesen
I don't know who Mr. G is.
I think he's a local New York celebrity or something like that.
I didn't know where to pause there.
Those jokes don't seem like jokes.
But the love crime one is like...
All right.
I guess that's filler for some, like, if you're, you know, you just need a pad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's stock.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Kind of like, a road dog, you could see throwing that in somewhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
I need to pivot or whatever.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But also, it's fucked up to come from Lionel because he also has a ton of videos that he's put out that you can find on his YouTube channel.
jordan holmes
Where he's like, there's no hate crimes.
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
Or hate crime is like a distinction that doesn't deserve to be in the law.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Isn't it?
Aren't all crimes crimes?
Don't you hate everybody if you're committing a crime against them?
dan friesen
I don't want to say that he ignores the idea that people of various groups are targeted for crimes.
Right, right, right.
And he speaks from a position of like, I am a lawyer.
Like, that sort of thing.
So it's tough to hear him say, like, make these videos where it's like, you shouldn't be charging someone with a hate crime when you're just charging them with a crime.
And then him, on this open mic set he's doing, be like, hey, anyone charged with a love crime?
unidentified
Yikes.
Yikes.
dan friesen
Because there's more behind that joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
jordan holmes
No, so many of these sound like a premise that a friend of the show, Mike Wiley, would throw away.
dan friesen
He wouldn't even put it on one of those note cards in his finder.
unidentified
No, he would think about it and be like, no.
jordan holmes
He would have a Twitter draft up and then be like, I think I'm going to delete that one.
unidentified
Maybe.
lionel
Did Carly ever find out who was so vain?
unidentified
What?
Ooh.
Oof.
jordan holmes
Did Bruce Springsteen ever find out who was dancing in the dark?
That sounds like a home invasion!
dan friesen
Did, uh...
Did Clapton ever figure out who shot the sheriff?
jordan holmes
Whose tears were they?
Were they his or were they...
dan friesen
No, they were in heaven.
jordan holmes
They were in heaven.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
I...
unidentified
Okay.
I don't even know.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I think you need a page one rewrite on that.
I think you throw that one out.
jordan holmes
Also, wasn't it Uncle Joey?
All right.
dan friesen
I do think that there's an interesting type of comic who could pull off that joke.
Like, you would have to be someone who's, like, deeply absurdist.
jordan holmes
Ridiculously deadpan.
Yes.
It would have to be real deadpan.
dan friesen
But I think that joke could work in a certain, like, because your character would almost have to also be, like, kind of stupid.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
But it would have to be stupid in a flighty, absurd way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
To be like, did Carly Simon ever figure out who that song was about?
Or something like that?
Because then the joke is about you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's not about what is being said.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because what's being said is fucking stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And even, like, that's still, you know, you want to open strong, you want to close strong, you put that one in the middle and hope people forget about that one.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
You want people to let that one go and remember your final five.
dan friesen
You hope they're signing their check.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
You say that joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good check-drop joke.
dan friesen
Yeah.
lionel
All right, I give up.
Tell me exactly what I'm supposed to do to keep a video diary of whatever I'm supposed to do when I use Activia.
What am I keeping a video of?
That's all I'm going to say.
Whatever happened to Esteban?
Remember the dude with the shades who wanted to teach you the guitar?
dan friesen
That was...
jordan holmes
Whatever happened to Blockbuster?
The place where you rented movies?
dan friesen
The Activia thing is...
I think he's referring to bowel movements.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that was Jamie Lee Curtis doing the whole, you'll shit right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't care about that.
That's not a great joke, but it is what it is.
jordan holmes
It is what it is.
dan friesen
I will say that when I was listening to this, the whatever happened to Esteban is where...
Like, he got me.
Like, I did laugh.
jordan holmes
Whatever happened to Esteban?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But not because I think it's funny, but just because he had broken me.
There was so little funny going on that when he said, what happened to Esteban?
It was just like, I can't fight it anymore.
This is so bad.
You know how if you're in an open mic and someone's struggling so poorly and they say something that's so stupid?
That's that moment for me, the Esteban.
And also because he flashes on screen a picture of Esteban, and I'm like, he did look silly.
jordan holmes
I used to run an open mic in Schaumburg, and my favorite comedian never got a laugh from the crowd, and I could not stop laughing.
dan friesen
That's a different thing, though.
jordan holmes
Every time she went up, it was terrible joke after terrible joke.
And the crowd would do nothing and then turn and look back at me laughing like, who the fuck are you?
What are you doing?
dan friesen
That's 100% a different thing.
jordan holmes
Is that a different thing?
Because I find it...
I actually enjoy it on that same level right now.
dan friesen
If this wasn't...
jordan holmes
Where is Esteban?
That's perfect.
dan friesen
That alone is kind of funny as an observation.
jordan holmes
Because now I'm also curious.
dan friesen
I'm not.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
You're talking about someone who's very good but isn't connecting with an audience.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no.
A complete opposite.
dan friesen
Never mind.
jordan holmes
She was the worst.
unidentified
Fine.
dan friesen
It's the same thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I still don't think you would take any enjoyment in this if it wasn't Lionel.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Of course not.
dan friesen
Now let's get back in.
jordan holmes
Okay.
lionel
Why do they show traffic reports on TV?
By the time you get home in your car, it's all changed.
Doesn't it drive you crazy when you hear a 911 call and the person calling is screaming frantic, get the cops here!
Get him here now!
And the dispatcher gets hung up on some esoteric question that could wait.
unidentified
Please!
lionel
Send help!
He's coming at me with a sword!
Are you wearing shoes?
dan friesen
See, now that last one I think is a bit, if you had a better performance, could work.
There could be something there.
jordan holmes
No, the structure is right.
dan friesen
The structure is there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
No, the structure is right.
dan friesen
In a way that none of these, and that traffic one, that's just hacky 80s comic.
You've heard that a thousand times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So it doesn't deserve a response.
I think that that 911 call is also kind of hacky.
Because I think it sounds familiar in some ways.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, there is the kernel of what you can work with.
You need a better act out.
You need a better question than are you wearing shoes.
jordan holmes
Way better question than are you wearing shoes.
dan friesen
The specifics need to be better.
And then you need to flesh it out a little, but there's something there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Lionel, if you're building a set...
Start with that one.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Everything here, bring up Esteban at some point.
Work with that one.
jordan holmes
Who is Sylvain?
I'll give you two.
dan friesen
I don't think Lionel can pull that off, though.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
dan friesen
You should sell that to another open-miker.
jordan holmes
An open-miker would buy it, too.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
You know it.
dan friesen
All right, here we go.
lionel
When did you last eat?
Was Murray Lansing really the unknown comic?
I mean, there could have been more than one.
dan friesen
I need to...
I need to go back, because When Did You Last Eat was still a continuation of the 911 thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
That wasn't a joke.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, because if that was just a complete non-sequitur in the middle of this, that would have been perfect.
dan friesen
I paused it at the wrong time.
It was still just a part of the 911 thing.
jordan holmes
I would give him a million...
You don't ask two questions on that joke.
dan friesen
No, I don't think so either.
jordan holmes
Nuh-uh.
dan friesen
I think When Did You Last Eat couldn't be the one you ask two.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
No, no, no.
I mean, it has to work off the sword.
You know, I'm being chased at by a man with a sword, and then you ask, well...
Is he wearing a kimono?
Or something along those lines.
Tie it up in something related to it.
dan friesen
The more I think about it, the more I actually don't think it can work.
Because if you do that, then what are you doing?
If you bring the sword wordplay into it, is he wearing a fencing mask?
There's no punch there or anything like that.
And then if you ask an unrelated question, like, what's your sign, or something like that, are you trying to imply that this person's hitting on you?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The shoes, it's supposed to express some sort of concern, I guess, on the 911 operator's point, but I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think it's the sword that has to change, because that can't be the absurd part.
It has to be something normal, and then the absurdity is the response to it.
dan friesen
There's someone in my house, just that, just that bland thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Then there's a...
A number of other directions you can go.
Man, we're joke doctors.
jordan holmes
I would hope we would be at least okay.
lionel
Shoes.
When did you last eat?
Was Murray Langston really the unknown comic?
I mean, there could have been more than one.
You know, like Gallagher.
For God's sake, please send the cops!
jordan holmes
Was that a continuation?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess it was.
jordan holmes
That was still a continuation?
dan friesen
I didn't realize.
I thought it was another bit.
Yeah, but I guess I would say that is that guy the unnamed comic or whatever?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think you keep that as the third one.
jordan holmes
You could keep that as the third one?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Are we going rule of threes on this?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Well, he's going rule of threes.
dan friesen
He just disproved you only need one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Three is the way to go.
jordan holmes
Three.
dan friesen
But the first two are bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You fix those two questions.
You keep the unknown comic as the third one.
jordan holmes
Make it a normal...
Vague thing.
dan friesen
Actually, I think...
jordan holmes
Well, humor is in specificity, though.
So it should be something really specific that's going on.
dan friesen
When did you last eat is no good.
That's in the realm of what the first question should be.
Because it should be something close to what a 911 dispatcher would say.
Like, are your windows locked?
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Are you wearing a coat?
You'll catch your death.
dan friesen
Sure.
Something like that.
Anyway, we've spent way too much time on this joke.
lionel
Do you ever think at least a hundred times during a debate?
Why am I watching this?
This is horrible.
I'd rather lick a hospital mop than watch this anymore.
One day, I want to see a computer screen that looks like the one that they always show in the movies.
You know that one?
And if there's something that happens to older men who actually think the Andy Rooney, Martin Scorsese, Spanish Moss eyebrow look is dignified, what is that age that changes perception to the point of, hey, this looks good?
jordan holmes
57. And one more thing.
lionel
Comment.
As you see fit.
dan friesen
I just let that play because I'm tired of deconstructing and critiquing his jokes.
Across the board, bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The comment card would not go well.
dan friesen
You're not getting rebooked by Yoder.
jordan holmes
Who's your favorite comic tonight?
Not Lionel.
I love his theme song, though.
dan friesen
So that should give you a sense of when he's trying to be funny.
Because that's clearly what he's doing.
He whiffed on every one of those jokes.
Nothing landed.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Not in the room.
Not in this room.
That would never fly.
Anywhere.
Anywhere.
Anytime.
Maybe a couple decades back.
Back when miming was king.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
He could have pulled that bullshit.
jordan holmes
The cat skills would have been great.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
If he just put on some blackface, he'd be the funniest guy in the world.
dan friesen
It's possible.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
At that point.
jordan holmes
Yes, at that point.
dan friesen
So it's ironic to me.
That he just did that boring three-minute segment of horrible attempts at jokes.
jordan holmes
Oh, and now he's going to bitch on comics?
dan friesen
No, not necessarily, but I would say that this is equally unacceptable based on that behavior we just saw.
unidentified
Lay low, lay low, lay low, lay low, lay low, lay low, lay low, lay low, lay low.
lionel
In my opinion, the worst of human traits is to be boring, and I have cobbled together my nominations for the Boring Hall of Fame.
Now, for those keeping score at home, boring is defined as lacking any degree of human excitement, entertainment, or interest level whatsoever.
They suck the air out of the room.
Now, for our nominees in all particular order, first, his picture is listed in the dictionary under the word vapid, the paralyzingly insipid NBC political...
Whatever.
Chuck Todd.
As I've stated, he could single-handedly reverse the rate of teenage pregnancy by explaining the sex act in detail.
They would lose all interest whatsoever.
dan friesen
That's a little spicy for the Lionel Report.
That's a little bit...
That's a little ribble.
unidentified
Just say the word, the sex act.
dan friesen
So Chuck Todd.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
lionel
Next, a man who barely retained his seat and who was rumored to have died in 1978, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a man devoid of anything resembling vitality.
Next, a man who makes my skin crawl when he speaks in that Quaalude Delivery.
jordan holmes
Then he's not boring.
lionel
The comatose and criminally boring Ben Stein, whose message is something.
dan friesen
He was a Nixon speechwriter.
May have had some involvement in knowing what happened in Watergate.
jordan holmes
He had a TV show.
dan friesen
He was really funny in Ferris Bueller's Day Off and also Win Ben Stein's Money with Jimmy Kimmel.
jordan holmes
That was great.
dan friesen
He wrote a couple of satirical books, How to Destroy Your Life books.
I mean, he's also a terrible right-wing pundit all over television.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a monster, but he's not boring.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, he's very fascinating in terms of the trajectory of his career.
Very interesting, Lionel.
I don't like Ben Stein, but this is the wrong...
lionel
What have you done?
dan friesen
I think he's just referring to how monotone Ben Stein is as an affectation, which is dumb.
jordan holmes
Kind of purposeful.
dan friesen
I think there's a brand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a bit of a put-upon act to that.
It's an affectation.
dan friesen
A little bit.
He's an entertainer.
unidentified
Yeah.
lionel
Our next nominee, the poster child for mandatory sterilization.
This android, who's as funny as stillbirth, I give you Carrot Top.
I would rather drink bleach or lick a hospital mop before listening to a nanosecond of this thing.
dan friesen
What year is this?
jordan holmes
Yeah, are we still making fun of Carrot Top?
dan friesen
Is Carrot Top, at this point, just doing Vegas?
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
I thought we circled around to, like, a begrudging respect for Carrot Top, right?
dan friesen
Like, Carrot Top was being made fun of in, like, Mr. Show.
lionel
Yeah!
dan friesen
Yeah!
jordan holmes
He was head of the board, okay?
We got it.
We got Carrot Top taken care of, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Chairman of the board.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
How's that board spelled?
Norm MacDonald.
I'm Conan.
lionel
Next!
The secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, who makes me feel anything but secure in my homeland.
This firebrand, Janet Napolitano, who has the pizzazz of a soap dish.
She couldn't lure me out of a burning building.
Now, this next nominee's boring factor is stultifying.
NBC's ex-FBI profiler, Cliff Van Zandt, who looks like he survived a hanging with his unique head tilt.
Nicknamed Ten After Six, Van Zandt will get...
Get this.
He'll profile suspects after they've been arrested and convicted.
Brilliant!
Next, our penultimate nominees, these vapid nobodies, these mind-numbing slatherns, the Kardashians, who have never stated anything of worth ever.
A complete and total waste of skin.
And finally, the granddaddy of them all, the Big Kahuna.
A man who redefines the outer limits of sheer, heart-stopping, boring.
I'll give you Alan Greenspan, ex-Fed chairman, and Ayn Rand Quoten, sax-playing, heaping mass of insipid vacuity, the personality black hole.
And there they are.
If I left one out, email me.
dan friesen
Click, click, click, click.
unidentified
You, you, you, you.
jordan holmes
All caps for a while.
dan friesen
You included the Kardashians.
jordan holmes
One long you.
dan friesen
You included the Kardashians and Carrot Top in your list of boring people, which is very boring.
You included Ben Stein, who is categorically not boring.
You had Harry Reid and Janet Napolitano.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
A criminal profiler that I don't know who the fuck you're talking about.
And then at the end, Alan Greenspan.
He's the head of the fucking Federal Reserve and he plays saxophone.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is not boring.
jordan holmes
And he sat at the feet of Ayn Rand.
That's still fascinating.
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, you know who else I find boring?
Let's find more irrelevant characters.
I'm going to go right back to Aeschylus.
Get that guy out of my face.
Or Esteban.
Actually, he is wondering where Esteban is.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's not boring.
jordan holmes
He would like more Esteban.
dan friesen
Man, it's just like, I think you need to have a conversation with yourself, Lionel, about what is and is not interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because some of these people are not boring.
Maybe you're saying they don't have a magnetic personality or something like that.
jordan holmes
That shouldn't be held against them in any kind of successful capacity.
dan friesen
Especially when they're not entertainers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, someone like Harry Reid or whatever, like, him not being entertaining to you is not his job.
The Kardashians, whether you want to call them vapid and all that stuff, there might be some coded beliefs in there, possibly.
But at the same time, they're not boring as entertainers.
I don't know.
And I would even say Carrot Top probably isn't that boring.
jordan holmes
No, like I said, I think we circled back to begrudging respect for Carrot Top at this point.
dan friesen
I've never seen him live.
I'm mostly...
I guess I've seen some videos of him, and I'm not super into them.
But I know the parody of Carrot Top more than I actually know Carrot Top's material.
jordan holmes
No, I've seen some people...
I know a couple of guys who have opened for Carrot Top, and universally they were like, one, he's the nicest fucking dude.
And two, he kills from start to finish, and yeah, you get some of the bullshit in there.
dan friesen
Put a toilet on your head and your shit face.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he actually has really good writers who work for him.
He's no longer writing his own bits, guys.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know how I feel about him.
I'm not going to say I have a begrudging respect, but I have heard similar things, too, about him being very nice and generous and doing well in front of actual crowds.
So, I mean, like, whatever you want to say, I mean, I can't take that away from him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wouldn't say he's boring.
I might be bored by one of his performances, but I'm bored by almost everything.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Especially when we're talking about stand-up.
dan friesen
I have no pulse for anything except for Alex misattributing a quote and making me read hundreds of pages of a book.
So, I'm not a good barometer.
I wouldn't get on PIX11 and try and yell at people for being boring.
I know that my radar's off, and so is yours, Lionel.
So is yours.
jordan holmes
Everybody thinks they're the hero in their own story, man.
dan friesen
So a lot of this so far has been what I would describe as meaningless.
jordan holmes
Vapid.
dan friesen
Boring.
jordan holmes
Tepid.
Lukewarm.
dan friesen
There's been a lot of low stakes so far in this.
And in this next one, Lionel gets a little bit political.
And you'll hear him sounding, not too surprisingly, a lot like Alex Jones.
unidentified
Like!
lionel
Turn this off right now.
Go to another channel because I'm about to talk about something that is the unofficial religion of many and it enrages people beyond anything you could ever imagine when you so much as hint that their belief system in this might be motivated, encouraged, promoted, funded, and or promulgated by organizations, consortia, covens, cabals, and conclaves for any other reason but the sincere and actual and beautiful belief in preventing ecocide.
For this is global warming.
Global politics and the absolute article of faith and an anthropogenic causation model for climate change.
The thought mesmerizes people.
Just say green.
Go green.
Be green.
Sorry, Carmen.
It is easy being green.
And what they want to hear nothing of is, and come closer, listen carefully.
I don't want them to overhear me.
Agenda 21. Shh.
unidentified
What?
lionel
They don't even know what it is.
What?
They've never heard of it.
Did we just say Agenda 21 here?
They just heard the word.
Sustainability.
And that's all they needed to hear.
They don't know it's a code word, a shibboleth, like a war on terror or 9-11, like a mental cognitive green screen.
It provides a background where you can superimpose lies and distortions on a seemingly innocuous veneer of legitimacy.
These people have not the first clue of what they speak.
It's like the peace sign, the bumper sticker, drive-by sloganeering.
And if you're interested, look up Agenda 21. It's a UN non-binding plan that's been around since 1992, and if you really want to go deeper, look at the Club of Rome.
From their report entitled The First Global Revolution, published in 1991, listen to this feature.
But don't tell your friends, listen, quote, In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine, and the like, would fit the bill.
dan friesen
Here's my big comment.
Anytime I hear someone bringing up that, first of all, Agenda 21, my first question is, have you read it?
It's like 350 pages.
I bet you haven't.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, he is not.
dan friesen
That's my first question.
And then my second question is when you bring up the Club of Rome, that publication that he's talking about.
Have you read that?
Because if they say yes, then I know that they're an intentional liar.
And if they haven't, they don't understand the context of that quote.
If you use that quote as to say that these people made up the idea of climate change as an enemy, then you don't...
You're either intentionally lying...
Or you don't know what you're talking about.
Because that's not the context that that quote exists in.
We talked about this a bunch of times.
That is absolutely a mark of a propagandist.
So that's just to demonstrate that he has a lot of the similar...
Even though we laugh a lot, this is still laughable.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's stupid.
dan friesen
But he does still have a political side to him.
Even back in this PIX11 days.
jordan holmes
Man, all I could think of during that clip is...
Where is Esteban?
dan friesen
Who knows?
He wanted to teach you a guitar.
So here's a clip from 2010 where Lionel is talking about some of his, you know, pet peeves.
lionel
There are many things that make my skin crawl, that make me wince, that cause my soul to chafe.
Mines.
Mispronunciations.
And you know they drive you nuts, too.
Let's start with the granddaddy of them all, shall we?
jordan holmes
Bedbugs.
lionel
Irregardless.
The consummate double negative that is known by all except the grammatically comatose.
unidentified
The next time you hear irregardless, try this sentence.
lionel
Irregarding your misuse of the word or irregarding the matter at hand, they won't get it, but so what?
Welcome to my world.
unidentified
They're all here just to amuse me.
Acts.
lionel
Made famous by President John F. Kennedy in a rough draft of his inaugural address, though later corrected.
Acts not what your country can do for you.
Acts what you can do for your country.
Sandwich.
The past tense of sandwich.
There is no vinaigrette.
It's vinaigrette.
Vinaigrette denoting a diminutive form of vinegar.
Then there's supposedly.
That which is able to be supposed, supposedly, like fingernails on a chalkboard.
jordan holmes
Yes, you are.
lionel
Ready, Connie?
Oh, ready.
Nuclear.
Of what pertaining to a nucle.
What's a nucle?
There's no such thing as a nucle.
Bush 43 made this word famous.
When I pointed that out to Bush supporters, their almost unanimous retort was, well, Jimmy Carter said it too.
Oh, well, that changes everything.
dan friesen
So, that's in 2010.
lionel
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's working.
jordan holmes
So he's only six years past when nuclear happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's still mad about it.
So at this point, he's doing these reports for PIX-11, and there's a three-minute time frame, basically.
He has a hard out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They're not going to let him take over all this time.
jordan holmes
He gets the Andy Rooney spot.
Nail it.
Get it out.
dan friesen
Now, looking over the course of his YouTube archive.
jordan holmes
Oh, has he ever misspoken?
dan friesen
No, no.
I don't care about that.
That's not my interest.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I promise you, I don't give a shit.
I also don't give a shit about most of the mispronunciations he's talking about.
jordan holmes
What you're saying is irregardless of his actions.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So you notice that in 2014, he stops appearing in a studio and starts talking into a webcam.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
And at that time, his videos no longer have a time limit.
So he can just go as long as he wants.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And this is where, you know...
I honestly thought, like, as soon as he gets fired or just isn't doing these TV reports anymore, that's when he goes crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it turns out it's not.
He's still...
Let me just say that this is one of the first videos that he puts out after he leaves the studio.
lionel
I love to bitch and moan about mispronounced words.
It's a hobby of mine, and I think I'm not the only one who shares this incredible delight in finding fault with those people who destroy...
We're confused.
Mispronounce.
Misunderstand.
Misstate.
unidentified
Or language is evolving.
lionel
There was a word that was big during the reign of King George 43. That was nuclear.
Nuclear.
Of or pertaining to a nucle.
unidentified
King George 43. He really thought that was clever.
lionel
Or a nucle, rather.
So what it was, it was kind of a transposition of sorts.
It was called...
A cacoepy.
unidentified
C-A-C-O-E-P-Y.
lionel
And what it was, was an incorrect pronunciation of a word.
dan friesen
See, this is all the stuff that wouldn't have made it.
Yeah, this is it.
So hold on, hold on.
lionel
...word that was given a name.
Now, why was it just called mispronounced?
If I pronounce clock, farfignugin, there's no name for that.
I've mispronounced the word clock.
Notice I said clock.
unidentified
Now...
lionel
But yet, cacoepi somehow came to mind.
So I used to refer to him as the cacoepist in chief.
Now, there's another version of this called a metathesis.
A metathesis is a strange kind of a transposition of letters.
Foliage, foilage, cavalry, calvary.
unidentified
Kind of a weird confusion.
lionel
Mispronunciation, perhaps, if...
You are talking about the wrong concept.
Because remember, mispronunciation is dependent upon that which you mean.
unidentified
Editor.
lionel
Next.
jordan holmes
Editor.
lionel
Realtor versus realtor.
Jeweler or jewelry versus jewelry.
Again, little transpositions.
You got the word right, basically.
Ah, priggish, pedantic, perhaps.
Maybe it was because of my astrological background.
unidentified
After all, I was born under the sign of feces.
Good bit.
lionel
Now...
I could care less.
Not really a mispronunciation, but a misspeak, a misconcept.
It's I couldn't care less, of course.
Everybody knows that.
If you could care less, what's the point?
I couldn't care less that Germany won the World Cup.
I could care less.
Well, why even bother?
Supposedly versus supposedly.
unidentified
Supposedly, I think, is able to be supposed, which I don't think is what people mean.
jordan holmes
So he does this one every three months or so?
unidentified
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
He just recycles it?
dan friesen
He needs a new act.
jordan holmes
Man, this is bad.
dan friesen
So the reason that I played that, and that was painful, is that he does the nuclear bit and the supposedly bit.
And those aren't the only times he repeats material.
That's not the only times he's done those bits.
jordan holmes
Oh man.
dan friesen
But one of the main reasons to keep that clip in is to demonstrate like...
Without a time limit and without that theme song, Lionel is fucking painful.
This is so bad.
jordan holmes
This is bad.
dan friesen
If he gets to talk as long as he wants, instead of having four synonyms, he's going to do 12. Yep.
It's just like, what do you know?
jordan holmes
Getting back to the open micers, man.
You've got to give him three minutes any more than that, and you've ruined the show.
dan friesen
I always think about, too, the idea that Adam Carolla was great on Loveline, but once he's in control of his own thing, he's just terrible without the push and pull of him and management.
The idea that there was a program director who was telling him to shut up and he was mad about that, that created the essential tension where his character is able to be good, or at least entertaining and not come off like a complete...
Fuck it.
Like, horrible dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the same way, the tension of Lionel, like, the people at the desk not enjoying him, the idea that he has this amount of time and he's got to hit his mark and be done, and that theme song bringing him on, without those trappings, like, he is a disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he should not be given...
dan friesen
That explains why I don't think we'll ever cover too much of his post-PIX11 career.
But I wanted to leave this on a good note.
And that is to say, like, Lionel does have some bad ideas, whether it's about global warming, you know, the project, sorry, the Club of Rome, the Agenda 21 type stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he has a lot of really stupid ideas, and, you know, he's a QAnon guy now, which is fucking stupid as hell.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
But I would be doing him a disservice if I didn't at least tip my cap to him for this.
unidentified
Lilo, Lilo, Lilo, Lilo, Lilo, Lilo, Lilo, Lilo, Lilo, Lilo.
I Seems that every day there's another story in the news about the transgendered, the T in LGBT.
lionel
And of the four components of that initialism, it's the most fascinating to me, and the reasons are Veriform and Myriad.
First, it confounds the notion of the immutability of sexuality and gender.
It destroys the absolutist approach to human sexuality and development.
Ed crushes the idea!
Of the apodictic, a nature of necessary and absolute truth and certainty.
There are no absolutes.
It's all gray, and there are more than 50 shades of gray and a wider shade of pale.
First, sexuality.
If you think the spectrum is gay, straight, and bisexual, you better sit down, Sparky, because sexual preference is physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, communal, and levels with names and locations.
jordan holmes
What is fucking happening, Dan?
lionel
Just as particle physics shows us there are multiple dimensions to the universe.
jordan holmes
I'm set adrift.
unidentified
There are multiple layers and levels and strata of sexuality and preference.
lionel
Now, enter gender and sex.
You want to talk Mondo?
Hang on.
Let's play thought experiment.
Assume, arguendo, you went to the doctor and she tells you, I've got news for you.
You're not a man.
You're a woman, or vice versa.
Now, quick.
Do you think your genital accoutrements make you a man or a woman?
Seriously.
No.
It's who you are.
It's what you feel, how you see yourself, what's in your heart, your clothing, your hairstyle, even your shoes, your walk, your talk, your date, your style, your likes, dislikes, your voice, your attitude, your laugh.
Your genitals don't determine that.
It's your internal gender identity, your head, your brain, the little voice, the homunculus, if you will, that gives you the go-ahead to be and act as you see fit.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to give you the homunculus.
unidentified
And this is nothing new.
lionel
This has been going on since day one.
So here's the question.
If everything is on a continuum, as I most respectfully submit, what is real and the truth and actual and certain?
What are they?
Nothing.
So long as you are content, there's certainty.
It's when society at large, when it questions, that's the problem.
It's when folks are not allowed to marry or date or be with whom they want or go to the restroom they want or dress the way they want or take to the prom whom they want.
That's when problems arise.
It's not their problem.
They have plenty of certainty.
It's society who's hung up with the hang-up.
So relax.
Take it easy, America.
The world, you've got some serious identity and sexuality and preference and gender issues, and yet you've passed this on to folks who are quite happy being who they are.
And aren't.
So come on!
As you see fit.
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
I think I just had an aneurysm.
What the fuck just happened?
dan friesen
That's insanely evolved.
jordan holmes
What the fuck just happened?
dan friesen
What the fuck just happened?
Lionel is so on the right tip.
jordan holmes
And it's even involved with him.
He skipped thesaurus words there and went with characteristics for a long line.
He went with a long line of characteristics, all of which are mutable.
This is fantastic.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
What just happened?
If that was all I heard of him, I'd be like, Lionel's a pretty great guy.
dan friesen
It's pretty wild to think that this was like in 2010 on New York television.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That he's up there espousing this viewpoint, which is like, that's great.
unidentified
That's way...
jordan holmes
Way in advance of most progressive people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wonder if he still...
jordan holmes
Not most progressive people, but, you know.
dan friesen
I wonder if he still believes this.
Like, this is still something that he carries.
Because, like, it seems anti to a lot of the Alex Jones and QAnon world.
Like, this tolerant...
Not even tolerance.
This is advocacy to a certain...
This is allyship that he's expressing.
And the idea, too, that it's like...
These people don't have a problem.
You do.
Society does if you have a problem with them being who they are.
I can't imagine that being still a part of it.
But you look back and he's on a real good trend.
Even way back then in terms of these sorts of issues.
Homosexual rights.
All over the spectrum of LGBT rights.
He's pretty consistently In support.
It's weird.
It's really weird to have this guy who you just assume wouldn't believe these things.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But he does.
jordan holmes
Well, because it's like, if you do get that part, then you also should have to realize how interconnected that is with so many of the things that you believe in the wrong way.
Maybe.
That's cognitively dissonant.
I mean, how can you...
dan friesen
Maybe.
unidentified
That's so weird.
dan friesen
Maybe it's not, though, to him.
Like, there's a lot of things that I see a pretty interesting consistency in him.
Or at least an internal consistency.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he has a lot of videos about, like, talking about how you shouldn't, like, punish people for bullying.
That sort of thing.
But also he has videos about how horrible bullies are.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, the idea of you shouldn't, like...
Make it illegal to insult somebody or something like that.
But then at the same time has videos of how horrible these people are that would do that to another person.
So there's a consistency to that with his ideas about free speech and that sort of thing.
You would want him to advocate for rules against bullying.
But you kind of see where he's coming from.
He clearly doesn't let people who bully off the hook.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
He's a weird cat.
dan friesen
And I think that he's even weirder when you add the wrinkle of his later career into it.
But he's weird enough, even if you just look at the PIX11 days.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's crazy.
You can't have both transgender rights and QAnon beliefs, can you?
dan friesen
I think that you could probably find a way to make it work, just because Q's so vague and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But I do think that the culture of it is very much on the right.
It's very conservative.
If it's the sort of thing that accepts Trump's banning of trans people being in the military...
Then I don't know how you square that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't imagine.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
I don't know enough to say...
I've watched some of his newer videos.
They're so fucking boring and that theme song isn't in it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so they fucking...
dan friesen
It really hurts.
jordan holmes
They must own the theme song.
dan friesen
Some of them are like two to three hours long.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Like Lionel just rambling in front of a webcam.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So I don't know what to do with that.
jordan holmes
Man, sometimes we struggle to entertain people for two or three hours long.
dan friesen
We don't even know if thesauruses.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Thesauri.
jordan holmes
Thesauris?
dan friesen
I always get mad at people who mispronounce multiple...
jordan holmes
Supposedly, that's how it's supposed to be pronounced.
dan friesen
I suppose to be so.
So, I supposedly have to bring this to the end, but before we do, just for fucking, to get the taste, not out of our mouths, I guess, to celebrate Lionel's progressive stance back in the past.
unidentified
*sad music*
dan friesen
I salute you, Lionel, for having at least some decent positions.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, this brings us to the end.
Have a great vacation.
jordan holmes
Oh, Dan.
dan friesen
Have a good time in Mexico.
And like I told you, what happens down in Mexico stays in Mexico.
So don't bite off more than you can chew.
There's things down there that even the devil wouldn't do.
So just remember, Jordan, when you let it all go.
But up and down in Mexico.
Stairs in Mexico.
jordan holmes
I'm just going to go around.
dan friesen
Trumpets!
jordan holmes
I'm just going to go around looking for Esteban.
I assume that's where he's from.
dan friesen
Oh, he's got to be down there.
He's trying to teach people how to play guitar down in Mexico.
The video for Toby Keith's What Happens Down in Mexico stays in Mexico that I was just singing a little bit of.
It's basically about these two people who are on vacation down in Mexico.
I believe they're both married and they end up fucking a bunch.
They commit infidelity while down in Mexico.
And I just always love the idea that Toby Keith is singing in the chorus.
There's things down here the devil wouldn't do, and the video is just about people having sex outside of marriage.
I'm like, the devil would do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The devil would be all about that.
jordan holmes
I think the devil's pretty cool with it.
I think that's even too tame for the devil.
dan friesen
Yeah, he'd be like...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he'd be like, come on, get out of here with this shit.
dan friesen
He really should have done something fucked up for that video.
jordan holmes
Just a man getting fucked by a donkey.
unidentified
The devil would do that, too, though.
jordan holmes
The devil would, that's true.
dan friesen
He's really backed himself into a corner.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
What wouldn't the devil do?
I mean, good.
Good things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Positive things.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But then that kind of ruins the point of the song.
jordan holmes
There are things that the devil wouldn't do down there, which is provide food and health care for the poor.
dan friesen
Yeah, but see, that doesn't work with the video and the theme of it.
Because you wouldn't want that to stay in Mexico.
You'd want to tell people about providing food for the poor.
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's probably artistic license.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
Maybe I should ask Lionel to make a video about it.
How it bothers me that Toby Keith's video isn't a macabre version of eldritch horrors.
jordan holmes
That would have been a great song to play over Hostel.
dan friesen
But the devil would do that, too.
You can't out-evil the devil.
jordan holmes
I really kind of think you can.
He's gotten really tame lately.
dan friesen
The fucking idea of this guy banging someone who's not his wife and the devil being like, Whoa!
I wouldn't do that.
Fuck out of here, Toby Keith.
Anyway, have a good trip.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Dan.
dan friesen
We will see you back next Monday, but the show will be back before then.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
We have a Twitter account, I believe.
dan friesen
Knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
I'm at GoToBedJordan.
What else do we have, Dan?
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
Do we have a Facebook group?
dan friesen
We do.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
iTunes.
dan friesen
You're going to leave a review, rate, subscribe.
jordan holmes
Do the whole thing.
dan friesen
But for now, I mean, in honor of his progressive stance, we've got to tip our hat to Lionel.
jordan holmes
I've got to tip my hat to him.
dan friesen
Now, granted, by disseminating the Q stuff, it really does feel like this is leading to deaths.
jordan holmes
I would say the net is a negative.
I would say he's a net negative.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like it's a dangerous trend that you see, and Lionel is a part of perpetuating that trend.
But at the same time, I don't want to give him sole ownership of any deaths that might come out of Q or not.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But in honor of his progressive stance and his fucking hacky comedy, I must say that Lionel has never killed anybody.
But one guy who technically has is Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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