Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a little bit of Alex Jones content from the past. In this installment, Alex introduces at least two completely misrepresented documents into his narratives, and Dan expresses that he thinks the mystery of Alex Jones And The Case Of The Tea Party is pretty much solved.
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| Hey everybody, Dan here. | ||
| Just wanted to jump in with a slight introduction for this episode. | ||
| First piece of business that I feel is important is to make a little bit of an apology. | ||
| On the last episode about Roger Stone being indicted, I said he had a six-count indictment. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| It is a seven-count indictment. | ||
| I did mix that up. | ||
| I had a little bit of a brain mix-up in delivering that information because of the obstruction charge and the witness tampering. | ||
| I just sort of blended them a tiny bit. | ||
| So sorry if anyone was confused by that. | ||
| Beyond that, today we got an episode for you, and here's the situation. | ||
| We recorded this episode intending for it to be Monday's episode. | ||
| But because of the old Roger Stone business, we had to shuffle things around, and so here we are with a 2009 episode on Wednesday. | ||
| Hope no one is too confused by that either. | ||
| But because we got our days screwed up, though, because the world is crazy and Roger Stone has troubles, we weren't able to give a very special shout-out. | ||
| To someone out there who's about to celebrate their birthday tomorrow, Sarah D. Happy birthday to you. | ||
| I hope you're having a great one out there. | ||
| Matt got in touch with us and wanted us to send the happiest of birthday messages out to you. | ||
| So please accept on our behalf the well wishes of a wonderful 23rd year here on this earth. | ||
| And, yeah. | ||
| That would have been in the episode if Roger Stone hadn't gotten indicted. | ||
| So how about that? | ||
| If you want to blame any sloppiness on our part for that, blame Roger Stone. | ||
| Anyway, guys, thank you all so much for the positive feedback about the Roger Stone episode and all that. | ||
| I really do appreciate it. | ||
| And enjoy the episode. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Alex, I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit, just a touch, about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Hi, Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| When was the last time you heard a fart song live? | ||
| A what song? | ||
| You know, a parody fart song. | ||
| You know those? | ||
| Live? | ||
| Yeah, whenever you're at a comedy show and a comedian pulls out a guitar and just... | ||
| Sings the theme from The Bodyguard, but he puts farts in places. | ||
| I can't think of any instance of that. | ||
| And I'm very glad that I haven't. | ||
| That can't be true. | ||
| You were a comedian for like seven years! | ||
| But I blocked out a lot of those open mic things. | ||
| The only, in Chicago, the only song guy that I remember was The Iceman. | ||
| I don't remember if you remember The Iceman? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| He would wear a suit to open mics and he would sing, he had one song called The Best Party Ever. | ||
| I do remember that guy! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What was it about? | ||
| The Best Party Ever. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It was a great party. | ||
| What was the name of the song? | ||
| Best Party Ever. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Another song called The Couch Cow that I found really offensive. | ||
| It was lazy and not funny, but it was about being at a party and hooking up with an overweight girl on the couch. | ||
| Oh, that's really offensive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think that's worse than a fart song. | ||
| That is worse than a fart song. | ||
| I can't think of any... | ||
| That's as best I can do to fulfill your interview request. | ||
| But what we can do is thank some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| First of all, Martin, we appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Martin. | ||
| Next, James, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, James. | ||
| Thank you, James. | ||
| Next, Pedro, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Pedro. | ||
| Next, Marius, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Marius. | ||
| Now, there's been some talk on the group, the Facebook group, that there hasn't been a raptor princess in a while and people miss that drop. | ||
| It's tough to become a raptor princess. | ||
| And one of the reasons is that we've been very unspecific about What that actually means. | ||
| Fairly intentionally so, because I don't want it to be some sort of thing where you donate above this amount. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And then you get the... | |
| I don't want it to be a monetary thing. | ||
| I want it to be more of a spiritual thing. | ||
| Currently, our raptor princesses are people who have gone above and beyond what could be considered monetary. | ||
| Like, they have done... | ||
| Wildly, wildly, just frighteningly nice things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I just, you know, I feel like it's kind of shitty of us to not be specific about what it requires. | ||
| And this person donated on an elevated level, and I think that they also are big supporters of the show. | ||
| And I think that we can call this criteria met. | ||
| And everybody wants to hear the drop, so let's hear it. | ||
| Let's do it! | ||
| Bob H., thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a raptor princess. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Sharp. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little, little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| I know. | ||
| How to read. | ||
| I am out of control. | ||
| I've never really seen a lot of white racism in my life. | ||
| I bet you money there are few living black people that have been abused by white people as much as I have been abused by black people. | ||
| Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, both those guys were complete badasses. | ||
| Complete. | ||
| Welcome to McDonald's. | ||
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May I help you? | |
| I'm Benny Sanders. | ||
| Thank you so much, Bob. | ||
| Bobby. | ||
| I forgot that our raptor princess drop gets really dark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People are prone to forget that. | ||
| But if you are out there and you're listening and you'd like to support the show, we would appreciate it. | ||
| You can do that by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| That was a weird voice. | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| Yeah, weird tone. | ||
| So, Jordan, like I said... | ||
| Was that your Bernie Sanders impression? | ||
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It was. | |
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| So today we're going to be going over April 12th and 13th, and guess what? | ||
| April 12th is a best of. | ||
| Took me ten minutes of listening to the show to realize, oh, this is the same Chuck Norris interview I've already heard. | ||
| You know, it'd be really fun because we've seen so many times we would do a present day episode and then we go back into 2009 and it's so relevant. | ||
| It'd be hilarious if this episode was like, I don't know who this Roger Stone guy is, but he's probably going to jail someday. | ||
| Roger doesn't come into Alex's life for four years after the point in 2009 that we're covering, so that would be prescient. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, this guy's a real rat fucker. | ||
| Real piece of shit. | ||
| It totally sounds like something that could happen. | ||
| If sometime down the line, I trust that guy, someone fucking pinch me. | ||
| Someone. | ||
| Can you believe he has a tattoo of Nixon's face on his back? | ||
| There's no way I would ever hang out with that guy. | ||
| He's going to jail. | ||
| Someone keep this clip and play it for me in the future, if I ever. | ||
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I'm so stupid as to trust Roger Stone. | |
| Okay. | ||
| This is actually, I think this is going to be kind of fun, maybe a little bit. | ||
| The 13th is an interesting day, and it always is nice to remind people that on April 8th, Alex turned real hard on Soros, and then immediately started talking about how he liked Somali pirates. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then, what? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, we find ourselves here on the 12th, there's a Sunday, and Monday, I'm kind of expecting to hear Somali Pirate talk. | ||
| No. | ||
| Zero Somali Pirates. | ||
| I know Somali Pirate was a one-off. | ||
| At least somebody talked to him or was like, listen, don't talk about Somali Pirates anymore. | ||
| You can't be that guy. | ||
| Hey, man, you might not have a grasp on this story. | ||
| You should probably... | ||
| Let it go. | ||
| The thing is, though, that on the 13th, Alex should be talking about the Somali Pirate stuff because on the 12th, they freed Captain Phillips. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Like, the story came to a head on that Sunday when he had the day off playing a Best Of episode. | ||
| He should come in and be like, hey, remember how I said you gotta give it to him? | ||
| Holy shit, that situation. | ||
| Was nuts. | ||
| One way or another, either our sort of valorous kind of narrative where it's like, how dare they snipe him? | ||
| You know, that sort of thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Or being like, thank God we got this guy free from the clutches of these terrorists. | ||
| You'd expect something. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| The day after Captain Phillips was freed, nothing. | ||
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Zero. | |
| I think it's because he was suddenly disappointed in the Somali pirates. | ||
| He was like, what? | ||
| You guys are going to lose to the... | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Who are you even fighting against? | ||
| Oh, the American... | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Yeah, well, yeah. | |
| You're going to lose. | ||
| You got... | ||
| No real Soros talk to speak of. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| None of these trends are continuing at all. | ||
| Everything is just... | ||
| Every day is random. | ||
| It's like it's a different show. | ||
| There's no serialized aspect to it. | ||
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I like it. | |
| There's very little continuity in anything. | ||
| To the point where I was second-guessing myself. | ||
| I'm like, did I mislabel these episodes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is this from 2010? | ||
| Or something like that? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Did I? | ||
| And I didn't. | ||
| I checked. | ||
| Double-checked. | ||
| Because it's so incongruous. | ||
| But, like I said, Alex had Sunday off on the 12th, and he comes in on the 13th, and here's where he's at. | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
| Here's an out-of-context drop first. | ||
| And I really have never been wrong. | ||
| Cool. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Hold on to that thought. | ||
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All right. | |
| Anyway, here's where he starts the show. | ||
| And it feels like I had a month off. | ||
| Very, very relaxing to actually have two full days off. | ||
| I didn't do any work Saturday or Sunday. | ||
| Well, that's not really true. | ||
| I only did four or five hours of research. | ||
| Saturday night and Sunday night, but I don't really call that work, so I am focused. | ||
| I have a ton of news and information to cover today. | ||
| Very important broadcast, just tons of just amazingly important news and information. | ||
| Okay, so there's no chance that any of that is real. | ||
| I mean, he did take two days off. | ||
| That is 100% true. | ||
| Four to five hours of studying on your day. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here, Alex. | ||
| Yeah, what are you... | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yeah, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| So what he comes in with, his main narrative that he starts off the show with is bird flu. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's confusing to me because the narrative hasn't developed at all. | ||
| It's the exact same sort of lies that we heard in the Baxter pharmaceutical narrative that we heard a little way is back. | ||
| So here's Alex jumping back into that narrative and just, I mean, listen, there's nothing new here. | ||
| Then I've got another one here, bird flu. | ||
| There's all these incredible admissions of just ultra-massive... | ||
| People dying, being injected with live bird flu shots. | ||
| Bird flu in 18 countries mixed with the vaccines. | ||
| The vaccines being shipped out. | ||
| They were actually being injected with live birds. | ||
| That's why they died. | ||
| All the conspiracy theory. | ||
| Gossip sites don't cover it. | ||
| They don't discuss it. | ||
| They don't touch it. | ||
| When it's in the Toronto Star and Reuters and Der Spiegel and Bloomberg and right here on this radio show. | ||
| Forget that. | ||
| Forget discussing that. | ||
| Weaponized bird flu mixed with regular human flu. | ||
| The media won't investigate it. | ||
| No one discusses it. | ||
| It's admitted out in the open for the last month. | ||
| Nobody wants to touch it because it's real. | ||
| No, that's not why. | ||
| So, we don't need to go into this because we already did a full breakdown of this whole narrative, but you can see here he's just hitting those same points about that story all over again. | ||
| And if you recall, much of the information about this story was based on a post that was written by Paul Joseph Watson on Infowars. | ||
| Why not just keep throwing shit in there? | ||
| Like, oh, this is... | ||
| Bird flu that's mixed with human regular flu and there's swine flu and they have hip dysplasia and all of that. | ||
| It's all in there! | ||
| Why not? | ||
| It's the same thing we talk about from time to time. | ||
| You can lie on a lie. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| So I was questioning why is he bringing this back up? | ||
| This doesn't make any sense from a timeline standpoint. | ||
| It doesn't seem to be relevant. | ||
| And then he says this and I kind of figured out exactly why. | ||
| I mean, I've seen it a million times. | ||
| If I've seen it once, people love to obsess on what can't be proven or what's nebulous. | ||
| And I guess it's like a whodunit or something, a mystery theater on PBS brought to you by ExxonMobil or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But, you know, I suddenly get all these emails Saturday night because I didn't do any research Saturday. | ||
| I spent all day with my children playing in the backyard. | ||
| Playing in the sandbox and playing with cars on the floor and all sorts of evil things like that. | ||
| And I finally go in and open my email up and it's like, you're covering up the bird flu! | ||
| Why aren't you covering this? | ||
| So he's responding in a defensive way about someone, like people have emailed him. | ||
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Accusing him of covering up the bird flu, so that's why he's got to bring back up the narrative. | ||
| So, oh, people are... | ||
| Saying that he's covering it up. | ||
| Like, he's actively working for the opposition now to hide the bird. | ||
| Or just not talking about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I think that we get a nice little window into how Alex's brain operates. | ||
| Like, he absolutely negotiates with trolls and terrorists of the message board variety. | ||
| Somali pirates, if you will. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In as much, at least, as they'll say, hey, you're doing this. | ||
| And then he'll be like, no, I'm not. | ||
| He'll go too far the other direction. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So he's bringing back up all the bird flu stuff. | ||
| But it's interesting because Alex can trace back where this criticism of him online is coming from. | ||
| And lo and behold, it's another GCN talk show. | ||
| Then I go to Infowars.com, read the comments, you're covering it up! | ||
| Spamming every, you know, page. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, let me look at it. | ||
| So I sit there and I listen to it. | ||
| And it's a caller to a Genesis radio show. | ||
| And no blame on the fine talk show host. | ||
| It was Mark Merritt. | ||
| And I just wish that caller called me so I could challenge him. | ||
| In fact, if you're that lady calling from New York, freaking out, 1-800-259-9231. | ||
| We don't have open phones right now, but if you want to call in, because I've got some questions for you. | ||
| Anyways, this lady calls in. | ||
| What's your address? | ||
| She says. | ||
| She says. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| There's this truck driver. | ||
| He's Spanish. | ||
| And he gets taken down to these silos. | ||
| And he gets given an injection. | ||
| He's told for the safety of his family. | ||
| And then it's all iced. | ||
| And it's taken. | ||
| And it's delivered. | ||
| And it goes all over the place to Homeland Security. | ||
| And here's the addresses of the... | ||
| And the health department, and they tell him, here's your number, and he goes to a back room at Bank of America, and they pay him in cash, and it's all secret. | ||
| And you listen to it, and I just know what's real, and I know what's not, and I know this is bull. | ||
| So, another Genesis Communications Network show got a caller who has this extravagant other bird flu conspiracy theory, and Alex demonstrates pretty clearly that he's able... | ||
| To engage in critical thinking when he wants to. | ||
| It's odd. | ||
| Yeah, that is a little bit of a tell. | ||
| But so, a number of people who have listened to this other Genesis show and heard this caller... | ||
| Believe that conspiracy theory and have accused Alex of covering up this stuff. | ||
| So this leads to about a 40-minute chunk of Alex's show where he's super defensive about that and how, like, I know this is bullshit because I know how everything operates. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I know how this stuff works. | ||
| No, they're not going to take him to the back room of the Bank of America. | ||
| They're not going to take him down at a silo. | ||
| They just ship out the bad vaccines through FedEx. | ||
| Man! | ||
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So... | |
| When this was written down, oh, what a tangled web we weave. | ||
| When first we practiced to deceive. | ||
| William Shakespeare. | ||
| Shakespeare. | ||
| He had no fucking clue about conspiracy theorists. | ||
| Man, he had no idea what shit was going to go down. | ||
| People are bitching at each other. | ||
| Didn't know about the radio. | ||
| Didn't know about message boards. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| He had no clue. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
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Nope. | |
| The web is far more tangled than one could imagine. | ||
| In the 1500s. | ||
| I was trying to find a word I could mispronounce fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In that sense. | ||
| And I just didn't find one. | ||
| And that was disappointing. | ||
| But you couldn't mis-imagine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I don't give a fuck about listening to Alex playing that caller. | ||
| Because he fairly accurately describes what she said in that clip. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And that he doesn't really have much analysis other than this lady's nuts. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And she's wrong. | ||
| And I know the truth. | ||
| I know. | ||
| My version of stuff is the right version. | ||
| And so it's pointless for us to really talk about past that. | ||
| And there's bigger fish to fry on this episode. | ||
| You're lying bad! | ||
| That's his argument. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're lying too far. | ||
| The back room of Bank of America and these disease silos or whatever. | ||
| It's a bridge too far, lady. | ||
| Reel it in. | ||
| Also, lady. | ||
| You know you didn't mean from Spain. | ||
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No. | |
| You know you didn't mean from Spain. | ||
| You know when you said Spanish, you didn't mean a Spanish man. | ||
| No, sir. | ||
| So like I said, there's bigger fish to fry. | ||
| And before we get to those big fish, we need to know one thing. | ||
| And it's something that I don't know if we agree with this statement. | ||
| I don't know if we have ever considered things this way. | ||
| But Alex is about to tell us why he's successful. | ||
| You know why I'm successful in reaching people on this radio show? | ||
| My hyperventilating isn't the reason I'm successful. | ||
| My freakout's not the reason I'm successful. | ||
| No, it's because we at least cover what can be proven. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
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That is a fucking statement. | |
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| We only focus on what? | ||
| Can't be proven. | ||
| That's unfair. | ||
| That's unfair to say that. | ||
| That is rude. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| That is a mean-spirited thing to say, especially so strident and forceful with it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, you can't be that convinced of the thing you know you're not doing. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird, and especially where this episode's going to go. | ||
| Like, he just reports on tons of stuff he can't prove. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And they're kind of big things. | ||
| This episode's going to end up being... | ||
| There's big waypoints from Alex Jones' entire career that are established on this episode. | ||
| And in this next clip, he brings up one of them. | ||
| He can't prove anything he's saying about this. | ||
| Last night I got home and saw Kurt and posted an article just minutes before saying, purported... | ||
| Homeland Security document says gun owners are terrorists. | ||
| So I just went and read the document in about 20 minutes. | ||
| It's, I don't know, 10, 15 pages long. | ||
| And I was sure it was real because I'd seen the exact same font, the exact same paragraphs in other reports going back over the years. | ||
| Times New Roman. | ||
| I knew that... | ||
| The font. | ||
| You know, the nomenclature. | ||
| The font. | ||
| The way it was written, the latest info, the control numbers matched other series of federal control numbers I'd seen on documents. | ||
| But I went ahead and tested the emails. | ||
| I went ahead and called the FBI phone number. | ||
| I went ahead and called the Infrastructure Protection Fusion Center numbers on it and talked to the watch captains and confirmed that it was their document. | ||
| They were very upset that I had it and were asking me to tell them who gave it to me. | ||
| And I explained, no, this has been posted on the big libertarian sites. | ||
| It had just broken the last 12 hours. | ||
| And we learned of it with the classic tickets being sent to us saying, why are you covering this up? | ||
| Because we weren't aware of it. | ||
| Please, folks, it's a little insulting. | ||
| I think people think I'm like Superman or something. | ||
| So two narratives on this show, both of them have been the result of people bullying him into covering these things. | ||
| Which isn't good. | ||
| That doesn't seem like a good way to go about things. | ||
| So there's a DHS, Department of Homeland Security document. | ||
| That Alex is reporting on, and he's gone, and he's checked in with all these folks, and he's proven that it's real. | ||
| Listen to this next clip, and then I'll address that. | ||
| So I called the FBI, I called the other phone numbers, confirmed. | ||
| Yes, this is a federal report, just like we called the MIAC office in Missouri and talked to them, and they said, yeah, that's our report, but we're not going to comment on it. | ||
| Are you noticing anything that seems really strange about the way he's speaking? | ||
| Um, I would say I don't understand what the infrastructure fusion thing was about. | ||
| That's just word salad that he's using. | ||
| Yeah, I would like to know more about that Department of the Government. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| Alex keeps claiming that he called the FBI about this DHS document, which makes no sense. | ||
| The FBI exists within the Department of Justice, which is a separate government body from the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
| Beyond the fact that the FBI and the DHS aren't the same thing, this document doesn't actually have phone numbers on it. | ||
| There are contact emails listed, but they're all DHS.gov email addresses, not FBI email addresses. | ||
| The FBI doesn't factor into this at all. | ||
| The only place the FBI comes up is in a footnote that says that people should report potential terrorist activity to the DHS or FBI and says that FBI phone numbers can be found on the FBI's website. | ||
| So, Alex is clearly just making shit up. | ||
| He might have emailed those. | ||
| Those addresses, that's entirely possible. | ||
| But he could not have called the FBI from this document or anything. | ||
| Actually, just to correct myself a little bit, there are some numbers for the DHS in that footnote about call them if there's potential terrorist activity and stuff like that. | ||
| So there are those phone numbers. | ||
| But the point was more that I'm making is that Alex is saying he called the FBI, and that's absurd for... | ||
| A myriad number of reasons. | ||
| Yes, quite a few. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I wonder if you could, like, Google Hangouts with the DHS through those email addresses. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| You know, they used to be able to video chat in the Google Hangouts. | ||
| I bet that's a form of calling. | ||
| Maybe each one of those email addresses actually has its own Twitch stream. | ||
| I don't know, in 2009. | ||
| Yeah, probably not. | ||
| So, you might be asking yourself, alright, Alex has confirmed by calling the FBI that this DHS document is real. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Hey, FBI! | ||
| You guys know this document is real? | ||
| Yeah, sure, Alex. | ||
| Go the fuck away. | ||
| But you're probably not clear at this point what the document even is. | ||
| What is it about? | ||
| It says people are terrorists. | ||
| When it comes to the Second Amendment, the most frightening, the most out of control is this secret for official use only Department of Homeland Security document put out April 7th. | ||
| So put out last week. | ||
| And I have confirmed its authenticity. | ||
| And it says American gun owners are terrorists. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Period. | ||
| So this is just off the charts. | ||
| Hardcore. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Off the charts, long pause, hardcore. | ||
| So gun owners are terrible. | ||
| What do you know? | ||
| Alex Jones' editorial line is backed up by this secret document that's been released. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| Every single thing he finds seems to be evidence that the government thinks all people with guns are terrorists. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| It either means that they do, or he can't read. | ||
| Spoiler alert, it's the second one. | ||
| But we just heard that he knows how to read. | ||
| It turns out he is not a reliable source on that. | ||
| Oh, that's disappointing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unfortunately, he can't read the book about how he can't read that I have written. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's an audiobook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In this next clip, he talks a little bit more about this report and how full of shit he is. | ||
| Again, ladies and gentlemen, American gun owners buying guns, buying ammo, you are a terrorist. | ||
| You are the number one threat to the federal government and police. | ||
| That's what... | ||
| Document number 1A-0257-096. | ||
| 9944-6494. | ||
| 1A-0257-09. | ||
| And you can call the FBI up right now and they'll tell you it's their document. | ||
| It's not their document. | ||
| Why would you call the FBI? | ||
| It's the DHS. | ||
| So, look, this document that Alex is touting as yet another in a long line of MIAC reports is called The Right-Wing Extremism, Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence and Radicalization and Recruitment. | ||
| And it's not a classified document or anything like that. | ||
| It's definitely a real document, and it's marked as For Official Use Only, which is a designation that's applied to documents that the relevant departments of government have a reasonable expectation would... | ||
| harm to an ongoing effort should the information be made public. | ||
| You could think of it as something akin to like an interdepartmental equivalent Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And because a lot of it is stuff he's pretty into, a lot of those descriptions, he gets defensive and screams about how the document is secretly about him. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| There's nothing in this document to suggest that the authors of this report saw gun-owning Americans as their main enemy. | ||
| For fuck's sake, on page 7 of the report, it literally says, quote, That's a weird thing for people looking to demonize gun ownership to say. | ||
| Legitimate firearms. | ||
| Law-abiding citizens. | ||
| That's not what gun demonizers would say. | ||
| And mysteriously, that passage is absent from all reporting that Alex Jones has done. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So, the strongest statement the document makes about guns is this, and I think it's a measured and reasonable statement. | ||
| Weapons rights and gun control legislation are likely to be hotly contested subjects of political debate in light of the 2008 Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. | ||
| Heller, in which the court reaffirmed an individual's right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but left open the debate the precise contours of that right. | ||
| That is very correct. | ||
| Not to editorialize on my own, but... | ||
| This report also could have been called, I think a good name for it would have been, there's a black president, these shits are going crazy. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Let's keep an eye on it. | ||
| Everybody's buying guns, because everybody's going crazy. | ||
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But... | |
| There's a piece of that in terms of Obama fueling this stuff in the report. | ||
| Absolutely, that is a piece of it. | ||
| And there's a lot of heavy overlap with Alex's worldview and what this document describes as the ideology that motivates right-wing extremists. | ||
| But it's important to point out that this does not mean in any way that they're implying that Alex or anyone who shares that worldview are terrorists or even extremists. | ||
| I would put it to you this way. | ||
| I believe strongly in animal rights, which is a position that I share with groups like the Animal Liberation Front. | ||
| If I were to read a DHS report about how extremists for animal rights believe that animals shouldn't be tested on, I wouldn't think that applied to me just because I agree that animals shouldn't be tested on. | ||
| This is very elementary stuff, and the idea that Alex seems not to get it could be seen as proof that he's dumb as a rock. | ||
| But he's not. | ||
| It's very clear that he's intentionally misusing this report, like he did with the Mayak report, to create the image of a repressive government that's going to turn on the noble, white, gun-owning Christians any time now. | ||
| He's doing this because he needs to create an enemy, and he needs to do that to help him recruit, which is ironically a large part of what this report is about. | ||
| Radicalizing people? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Using the threat of the government taking away your guns as an avenue to radicalize people. | ||
| And recruit people. | ||
| To become violent extremists. | ||
| Well, not necessarily in the case of Alex recruiting them to be violent extremists, but recruiting them nonetheless. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Into the info-warrior fold, where maybe you're not violent, but you just give Alex money. | ||
| So, I mean, it is the same system. | ||
| Like, this report is... | ||
| About Alex. | ||
| Well, it's not about him. | ||
| Because here's the deal. | ||
| But that's... | ||
| Okay, go for it. | ||
| Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. | ||
| The only way Alex appears guilty of anything in this report is based on his response to it. | ||
| Sure, the document says that right-wing extremists are using fears of illegal immigration to recruit and radicalize new members. | ||
| But it also goes on to specify that they're talking about things like how, quote, in April 2007, six militia members were arrested for various weapons and explosive violations. | ||
| One open source reporting alleged that those arrested had... | ||
| Sure, the report says that fears about the election of the first African-American president were being used by extremists. | ||
| But it then says that it's talking about things like how, quote, You can be a racist, gun-loving, New World Order-fearing, Christian identitarian all you want, and the Department of Homeland Security is not going to give a fuck about you. | ||
| They start caring when you start committing and planning terrorist attacks, and that's what this report is about. | ||
| And since Alex isn't doing that, he shouldn't take it personally. | ||
| The fact that he does take it so personally, and seeks to create so much drama about this, kind of leaves me with a sense... | ||
| That he identifies with and supports the goals of terrorists that this report is actually about. | ||
| I am very glad I did not interrupt you because I was about to say that I feel like one of the big reasons that he's taking it so personally is because he feels like they are talking about him and his ilk. | ||
| It kind of betrays. | ||
| As opposed to just a regular gun-owning American. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We keep going back to this. | ||
| Like, in terms of every time he has one of these new documents that proves all of his bullshit about how the government's trying to... | ||
| Stop anyone who has a right-leaning opinion or whatever. | ||
| Every single time, we just get more and more indications that it's about you, Alex. | ||
| And because of your response, you're clearly indicating that you identify with... | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| If you read the document, it's not about a blowhard on a radio show. | ||
| It's not about Johnny come lately who's got a gun. | ||
| They don't give a fuck. | ||
| It's about militia members, of which, Alex, you kind of act like you want to be one. | ||
| They don't even care about militia members. | ||
| They care about militia members that plan violent attacks. | ||
| It's clear. | ||
| It is very, very clear. | ||
| The report is specifically about people who plan violence. | ||
| And if you don't plan violence, and you're not in some kind of violent group, then you shouldn't be... | ||
| Offended? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In fact, I think you have a greater impetus to support this report. | ||
| Because you don't want those violent people cluttering up your movement. | ||
| Fucking up your deal. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Because if those people are involved in the same... | |
| You would think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| What Supreme Court case was it where they used the Second Amendment to protect their right to plan violence? | ||
| That's just free speech, Dan. | ||
| That was DC vs. | ||
| Heller 2, the sequel. | ||
| Love that. | ||
| Too fast, too Heller. | ||
| Too fast, too Heller, yeah. | ||
| So Alex jumps off this topic for now, but I assure you he will get back to it. | ||
| But he gets distracted. | ||
| In this next clip, he describes what the globalists want, like the ideal situation that they're working towards. | ||
| If you listen to this, I think you'll see some familiarities. | ||
| You understand what they're setting up here? | ||
| Where there'll be highly controlled government and private corporate reservations that'll be high technology zones that'll be technological. | ||
| There already are technological spheres that are on pedestals protected under the shroud of national security outside We'll be the highly controlled, compact city slave grids and the rich living in the private manors and plantation-type situations outside the megacities. | ||
| And this is all stated by them. | ||
| People keep saying, oh, Alex, they totally had a world government, a new world order, this would have already happened, and you wouldn't be on air. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They don't have it yet. | ||
| They're very close to completing it. | ||
| They're very close. | ||
| How close? | ||
| Be afraid, but they're not there yet. | ||
| It's that balance that he always strikes. | ||
| Also, what I would say is, like, okay, if you're talking, are you just trying to describe gated communities? | ||
| Is that what he's doing? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I don't think that what he's describing is anything different than the situation that's been going on for a bit now. | ||
| The rich living in cloistered, isolated, nice manners, and then everybody else struggling to survive. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| It's really tough to hear that and not think that he's kind of talking about the real world, but just through such a... | ||
| Distorted and twisted lens. | ||
| Yeah, like a crazy house mirror, fun house mirror. | ||
| Well, and we go back to the same thing where he's talking about something real that is a huge problem. | ||
| And yet he is defending the people who have created that problem as being perfect capitalists. | ||
| Well, they're the middle class. | ||
| Ha! | ||
| Compared to the globalists. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| That's kind of how he looks at it. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex has seen a documentary on his two days off. | ||
| And this made me laugh so fucking hard. | ||
| Is it The Square? | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| Also, I saw this crazy documentary this weekend. | ||
| The King of America? | ||
| About the Reverend Moon? | ||
| I mean, I knew that guy was whacked out, but this thing is just crazy. | ||
| Alex has seen a documentary about Reverend Sun Young Moon, and he is like, that guy is crazy. | ||
| At no point does Alex recognize that one of his biggest sources of information is the Washington fucking Times that is owned by the Moonies. | ||
| So hilarious. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was hoping he was referencing a documentary about the guy from San Francisco 100 years ago who became king. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Who declared himself the king of America. | ||
| He's also not talking about the gentleman in Columbia, Missouri when I was growing up there. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We talked about that guy. | ||
| Yeah, there was a dude who kept getting taken to the outskirts of town by the police and left there because he wouldn't stop bothering people downtown wearing a Burger King crown declaring himself the king of Columbia. | ||
| He is the king of Columbia, though. | ||
| Yeah, I recognize him as such. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| If we need to have a coup of Columbia. | ||
| Look, if we're going to talk about sovereign nations, it doesn't get more sovereign than a Burger King king. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| So I just think that's fucking hilarious, that Alex can see that Sun Young Moon is crazy, but can't recognize that he gets a lot of his information from his cult. | ||
| So... | ||
| We've been looking at the Tea Party stuff in the course of 2009. | ||
| I completely forgot we were looking at Tea Party stuff. | ||
| We got bogged down in Somali Pirates. | ||
| I forgot about the Tea Party entirely. | ||
| Well, and honestly, I think that question's kind of been answered. | ||
| And actually, I think that there's something to be said for... | ||
| We might be about done with the main questions of 2009. | ||
| I still think that there's a lot of interesting stuff going on. | ||
| We see these, like... | ||
| Real formative blocks here. | ||
| Like, this DHS report is really important. | ||
| The MIAC report is really important. | ||
| The bird flu narrative is really important to Alex's, like, what he builds to from here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think there's value in seeing these things, but, like, we set out to figure out when he started talking about George Soros. | ||
| We found that April 8th, 2009 episode. | ||
| And then I think it's going to be a while until he gets back to it. | ||
| I think that was a one-off. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From the episodes that I've listened to after it, I don't think... | ||
| He was in a mood that day or something like that. | ||
| I don't know exactly what was going on, but I feel kind of resolved about when it started, when it flared up. | ||
| And then secondarily, the other question was, when did he get on board with the tea party? | ||
| And I think based on the fact that we've seen these interviews with Stuart Rhodes... | ||
| The Oath Keepers guy, the I Hate Glenn Beck stuff. | ||
| I think we're starting to see exactly what happened there. | ||
| I don't think it's a mystery. | ||
| He decided that there's large groups of people who are close enough to his beliefs. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Let's go fuck with them. | ||
| Let's try it out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that those main questions are kind of answered. | ||
| I believe I do remember reading this new story on April 8th, 2009, at around 8 a.m. | ||
| George Soros did cut off Alex in traffic, and that makes all the sense. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He just freaked out. | ||
| He was driving his truck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Soros! | |
| When I say that I think that we kind of have answered the question about the Tea Party, it also involves the clips that we're about to hear. | ||
| Because I think this kind of made my mind up. | ||
| I think I figured this is what's going on. | ||
| So he gets a call from a guy who is in San Antonio, and he's got some news about the San Antonio Tea Party that's coming up. | ||
| Matthew in Texas, you're on the air. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
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Hey, God bless you, Alex. | |
| This is Matthew from San Antonio Change reporting in on a pre-tea party update. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Okay, what we're dealing with here is San Antonio Tea Party is basically saying they don't want any bullhorns because they don't want Alex Jones here. | |
| And they said one of our guys has infiltrated their group and he's basically getting intel for us. | ||
| And he said, yeah, they don't want any bullhorns because they're troublemakers, so anybody with a bullhorn? | ||
| It's a troublemaker. | ||
| And we got another guy who's actually volunteering. | ||
| Sounds like they should be working for the Redcoats. | ||
| I mean, there's not need, ninnying, there's no freedom. | ||
| We'll just have your own tea party. | ||
| But no, that's why Fox News and Glenn Beck are trying to take over the tea parties. | ||
| Fox News and Glenn Beck are trying to take over the tea parties. | ||
| Alex Jones is now taking ownership in retrospect of the tea parties. | ||
| That's what he's already doing here in April 2009. | ||
| Which also, Fox News and Glenn Beck created the tea parties. | ||
| They're not trying to take them over. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The Koch brothers paid for the tea parties. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They literally owned the tea parties. | ||
| Well, and after this next clip, I have another thing to say about that. | ||
| Look, the wicked fleeth when none pursueth. | ||
| And so, yeah, you guys have folks inside the tea parties, and they don't want Alex Jones. | ||
| Notice how they're co-opting the Ron Paul in the Fed movement. | ||
| Notice how they're trying to take over what we're doing. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| The Republican, fake Republicans, show up at our movement and then tell us we're not welcome. | ||
| Don't you love it? | ||
| You gotta love it. | ||
| So the issue is that, you know... | ||
| The Tea Party was largely astroturfed and funded by the Koch brothers through FreedomWorks, and that's who was paying Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity at that time, or at least were giving them tons of money. | ||
| FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity split. | ||
| They came from a split in the group Citizens for a Sound Economy. | ||
| That group, their first chairman, was Ron Paul. | ||
| It was funded by the Koch brothers. | ||
| Citizens for a Sound Economy had registered a Tea Party website in 2002. | ||
| They had already had some sort of plans of trying to do something like this before, but the climate wasn't right. | ||
| There wasn't the ability to make these things stick and make it a real quote-unquote movement. | ||
| There is no reason to believe that... | ||
| The idea that Ron Paul is behind the real Tea Party and Glenn Beck and his Koch funding through FreedomWorks is behind the real. | ||
| Those aren't contradictory. | ||
| They're the same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're exactly the same. | ||
| This is the left and the right hand, basically. | ||
| But I don't think Alex understands that. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| It's interesting to see. | ||
| I'm interested to know if he understands. | ||
| I think it is all pettiness. | ||
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| Well, that's kind of what I would be interested in finding out if he actually knows that it is the Koch brothers funding the entire thing, or if he thinks it is an organic movement. | ||
| I find this fascinating because, I mean, what you've got is a movement that Alex thinks is being taken over by Glenn Beck and the like, not recognizing that they're really behind it. | ||
| Alex wants to take ownership of it, so he's predating his check. | ||
| He's backdating his check to make it look like he bought this before. | ||
| When we've been going over this from the beginning, what was it? | ||
| The first tea party was on the 27th of February. | ||
| And we've been going over it since then. | ||
| When that happened, and in the immediate aftermath of it, Alex had no idea what it was. | ||
| You know who did back then? | ||
| The goddamn Koch brothers knew what it was. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what this means other than, like, there's no mystery to me anymore. | ||
| Alex just believes he's the true version of it and always has. | ||
| And he's mad at Glenn Beck because he thinks he's co-opting it. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| There's no mystery left in the tea party. | ||
| I think my favorite part of those clips is when the dude from San Antonio just opens out with, I'm here to give you an update on the San Antonio tea party. | ||
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And he's like, okay. | |
| Dude, I didn't ask for updates. | ||
| On shit. | ||
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Right. | |
| Why are you giving me an update? | ||
| I didn't get the first date, let alone the... | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Are you an O's keeper? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Get to stepping. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I like the dude, the caller, is like, we've infiltrated it. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
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You went to a meeting? | |
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Like, what do you mean you infiltrated it? | ||
| Deep cover at the San Antonio Tea Party. | ||
| It was hard to pull off because they were all black. | ||
| It was tough to blend in with all the Confederate flag t-shirts. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, whatever. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Alex has a lot of complaints about Glenn Beck. | ||
| He thinks that he's stealing his movement. | ||
| Alex's goddamn movement. | ||
| But that's not his only complaint. | ||
| He also thinks that Glenn Beck is gay. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| I mean, can you imagine Glenn Beck, that ninny? | ||
| I mean, he's a ninny. | ||
| He sits up there in ninnies and does all these effeminate gestures. | ||
| I mean, I feel like I'm... | ||
| Well, you know what I feel like. | ||
| I mean, it's just nothing against men that are effeminate. | ||
| It's just that... | ||
| You're about to say something against them. | ||
| I mean, he fits the effeminate scammer archetype for me. | ||
| What? | ||
| Which one is that? | ||
| You know, that... | ||
| Classic archetype. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Fake ninny charm. | ||
| You ever run into folks in business and life, and once you get enough live experience, you learn people with a fake ninny charm? | ||
| That these are people to watch. | ||
| These are people that will stab me in the back in five seconds. | ||
| And he is off the charts with the fake ninny charm. | ||
| You've got to define ninny, man. | ||
| You've really got to stop saying fake ninny charm, either. | ||
| Like, it means something? | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Fake ninny charm? | ||
| I think that Alex thinks that he's not sincere. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then the other part is he's threatened by his effeminateness because it's not masculine enough for him, and he labels that as being gay. | ||
| That's... | ||
| Yeah, when you say ninny that many times... | ||
| That many times. | ||
| That many times, you know what you're trying to say, but you don't want to say. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so in this next clip, Alex, he makes clear that if you are going to the tea party and you support Glenn Beck... | ||
| You're a fake ninny. | ||
| No, it's the equivalent of getting your balls chopped off. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, I'm tempted now to saddle up and go down there myself because, you know, this is in Texas. | ||
| Where Texas' ancestors fought and died against tyranny, and they're going to be sliding around in front of the Alamo, telling people what they can and can't say. | ||
| They were invaded. | ||
| Colonel William Travis, what he could and couldn't say, he'd say, shut up, tyrant. | ||
| I mean, you know, this is where they castrate people. | ||
| So if you're part of this event on Glenn Beck's side, you're just there to have your testicles chopped off. | ||
| I think I know what William Travis would have said. | ||
| That's probably a big part of his quote. | ||
| He was a big old drunk. | ||
| Second thing he would say is, don't tell my wife where I am. | ||
| I left her with our newborn second child because I was wanted by the police and didn't want to go to prison. | ||
| Ended up running a militia at the Alamo and that was a huge asshole. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That'd be part of his quote. | ||
| He was also the man to invent brown bagging. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Little known fact. | ||
| So, if you support Glenn Beck, who is a ninny, and you go to this event, you're going to get your balls chopped off. | ||
| Or it's the spiritual equivalent of getting your balls chopped off. | ||
| Whatever that is. | ||
| So many masculinity issues here. | ||
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| Not news. | ||
| So, this is the last clip about the tea party, and I just think, like, I'm putting this to bed. | ||
| In terms of questions I'm interested in, I think it is just a matter of thinking Glenn Beck stole his shit and wanting it back, and then being the more extreme version of it, by virtue of association, more with the Oath Keepers than the Tea Party 9-12 middle-of-the-road stuff. | ||
| And you can hear it here. | ||
| Put that San Antonio Tea Party website back up. | ||
| They've been going to these meetings. | ||
| You know, it's Ron Paul Gribbs that started the Tea Parties. | ||
| Gary Franchi and others that started the Fed protest. | ||
| It's our movement against the private bankers that are looting and raping us, which is very popular right now. | ||
| The people know it's the truth. | ||
| We're the good guys. | ||
| We're the good guys. | ||
| They're the bad guys. | ||
| So that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I mean, I think it was on one of our recent episodes, you're like... | ||
| It's going to be such a bummer if the answer to this is team sports. | ||
| It wasn't about the Tea Party, but turns out in terms of the Tea Party, it's team sports. | ||
| Is the Oath Keepers bullshit, was that organic or were they also funneled money? | ||
| I'm sure they got some funding, but I don't know enough. | ||
| I can't speak on that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's something worth looking into, but there's an outside chance that Stuart Rhodes is just a pretty radical dude. | ||
| And started this thing that ended up catching momentum through being on Alex's show as the alternative, the more militant alternative to the Tea Party, and then also being accepted by the normal Tea Party. | ||
| So I think there's a possibility that he served as a middle ground, and that led to a swelling of membership roles, and then along with that, financing. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know entirely, but I wouldn't bet it was entirely organic. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably true. | ||
| But its beginning could have been. | ||
| Yeah, it seems far more organic in beginning than the Tea Party, absolutely. | ||
| Like, it does seem like the Tea Party was fully financed and funded. | ||
| Well, the Tea Party didn't start with teaparty.blogspot.com. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| You know, like, that sort of thing is kind of an indication of, like, this guy didn't want to buy a domain name. | ||
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| Which, you know, the only reason you wouldn't do that is if you couldn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or you just didn't want to, you know, you didn't have the cash to throw into it. | ||
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| So, at this point, Alex jumps back to the DHS report. | ||
| But before he does, actually, he has Naomi Wolf on for an interview, which is strange, considering she's a Democratic strategist and advisor. | ||
| I expected that to be, like, a pretty... | ||
| Contentious? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I expected. | ||
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| But Alex's phone system keeps not working. | ||
| And so she's like in the middle of a sentence and the phone just drops out and Alex is like, guys, guys, what's going on? | ||
| Her phone cut out. | ||
| And so they get her back on the phone and then she's like, hey, Alex, I can't hear you at all. | ||
| And you can just hear her saying that. | ||
| It's like, I'm really sorry. | ||
| I can't hear you. | ||
| And so clearly something's wrong with Alex's phones. | ||
| It just doesn't work. | ||
| And so the interview ends with nothing happening. | ||
| How much talking did they actually do? | ||
| Alex talked for a bit. | ||
| She talked for like a minute, maybe. | ||
| And that was it? | ||
| Yeah, it was more friendly than you'd expect, possibly. | ||
| And a little bit of that is because a lot of the positions she was bringing to the table were stuff that were critical of Obama in terms of not... | ||
| At this point in April 2009, you know, he'd been in office a month or two, and she had some of the similar complaints that Alex did, but more grounded in terms of him not getting rid of spying, that sort of thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so she's coming from the center-left position, I guess, making those criticisms. | ||
| I think it could have been an interesting conversation. | ||
| I'm actually kind of disappointed it didn't happen, because it would be interesting to see how that dynamic played out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We could just get a fucking broken phone. | ||
| Yeah, that is kind of a... | ||
| Well, it's like a similar conversation to what I would have with, I would imagine, my family in that they're like, I'm criticizing Obama for fake things. | ||
| And I'm like, we're not fighting. | ||
| I'm just criticizing him for real things. | ||
| Our disagreement comes not from whether or not he is deserving of criticism, but that your criticism is insane. | ||
| Or even, I don't know if your family would be on this side, but I think a sharper point to it of what this would be, I think, is making the same criticisms, but one side is making it as a legitimate criticism, and then the other side is exploiting and using... | ||
| That basis of a legitimate criticism to extrapolate into irresponsible, ludicrous places. | ||
| I kind of think that's what the dynamic would be, and I think it's really interesting because of the superficial agreement. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That they would have probably had. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And to see if she would have been able to pierce through like, oh, Alex, no. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm not sure because the fucking phone broke. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I got nothing out of this. | ||
| Because the reality of a conversation with my family would be they're arguing ridiculous shit in good faith. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Because they believe it because they're the recipients of the bad faith criticisms that they are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| Yeah, it's the difference between arguing ludicrous things in good faith versus arguing decent things in bad faith. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, we'll never know. | ||
| Maybe until she comes back a week from now. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe she will. | ||
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Maybe she will. | |
| But Alex gets back to this DHS document, and it's interesting to hear him try and discuss this because he's just lying about everything. | ||
| Like, legitimately. | ||
| Even lying about what's in the text. | ||
| His first volley is about racism. | ||
| This is Section U. Key findings, the economic downturn and the election of the first African-American president present unique drivers for right-wing radicalization and recruitment, so they imply everybody's racist. | ||
| They're not implying everybody's racist. | ||
| That's not what that sentence means at all. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Also, I mean, that's on its face. | ||
| You can understand that. | ||
| At the beginning of that clip, he said this is in Section U. With U-FOUO. | ||
| That's the designation of it. | ||
| FOUO means for official use only. | ||
| U means unclassified. | ||
| The fact that he's saying this is in section U and doesn't understand that the U before the paragraph means unclassified and doesn't realize that all the paragraphs start with U, it leads me to believe that he doesn't have as much experience reading documents as he claims to. | ||
| The fact that he says, I can read this, I can... | ||
| I spend all my time, the last 20 years, reading these secret official documents, and I'm so good at it that I understand what they're saying when it's not literally what they're saying. | ||
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Right. | |
| I can read between the lines. | ||
| You don't even know what the U means, man! | ||
| This is pathetic! | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| No, when I heard that, I was like, oh! | ||
| Oh, Alex! | ||
| Section U! | ||
| Technically, he is right. | ||
| Because they are all section you. | ||
| Right, but he's trying to say this is the part of the document it's in. | ||
| That doesn't help you with that at all. | ||
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No. | |
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And I don't have experience reading, like, secret government documents. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I can't trust you. | ||
| I just was like... | ||
| If you did have experience reading secret government documents, you wouldn't be able to tell me. | ||
| I believe that you do have experience reading secret government documents. | ||
| I believe this is an entirely controlled opposition situation. | ||
| You are funded fully by the government. | ||
| This is all a... | ||
| Wish. | ||
| This is all a weak facade. | ||
| I fucking wish. | ||
| Recording out in your apartment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That you could walk out of here and go into your fully furnished mansion, which is how the government works, I guess. | ||
| I don't actually live here. | ||
| That's why you see this bag of chips sitting on my desk, clearly from eating chips earlier. | ||
| You have a calendar on your wall that says February 2017. | ||
| What else could that mean but that you're a secret government operative? | ||
| You haven't lived real for two years. | ||
| Could mean that wall calendars are ineffective. | ||
| That's a possibility. | ||
| Could be in February 2017, I had aspirations of organization, and they have since lapsed. | ||
| Look, dude, that's big to me. | ||
| That's big. | ||
| Because it is an indication of him not having the bona fides that he pretends to have. | ||
| Because up to this point, I would have been willing to believe that he'd read a bunch of... | ||
| Declassified documents and stuff like that. | ||
| I bet he didn't understand what he was reading or he was just making up stuff about them as he read them. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| But the fact that he reads this document and he's like, in section U, that's beyond the pale to me. | ||
| That's where anybody who's listening who actually does understand any of this stuff should also be like, oh no, Alex. | ||
| You just gave it up. | ||
| You just indicated that you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| So that makes it hard for me to believe that governments listen. | ||
| It also makes it hard for me to believe that anybody who is in the military or anything like that, or in intelligence, anybody who is in those fields and isn't motivated to support Alex based on his bigotry, they can't think he's a credible source in terms of facts, information, analysis. | ||
| But there are government documents with Section U's. | ||
| Sections U, if you will. | ||
| I would invite you to read this document. | ||
| Every single paragraph starts with U. I'm not saying this document in particular, but if you had not read this document in particular, you would be fine with him saying section U. No, I wouldn't. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I wouldn't. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Is that because you have a lot of experience reading secret government documents? | ||
| I just caught you! | ||
| I just trapped you! | ||
| I have experience reading this one. | ||
| No, it doesn't work. | ||
| It wouldn't work. | ||
| I understand what you're saying, and it's a nice way to try and let him off the hook. | ||
| It's inexcusable. | ||
| I'm not letting him off the hook. | ||
| I'm letting his listeners who haven't read this particular document before. | ||
| I think it's just an indication that anyone who believes that he knows what he's talking about, they don't know what he's talking about, or they don't know what they think he's talking about. | ||
| Yeah, that I agree with. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about the idea of recruitment, and he misuses the DHS document again. | ||
| It says right-wing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first American president and are focusing the efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters. | ||
| Well, yeah, you're supposed to do that in America. | ||
| Mobilize against tyranny. | ||
| And broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda. | ||
| But they have not yet turned to their attack plan. | ||
| Then they go into listing mainline gun groups. | ||
| We haven't yet turned to the attack plan. | ||
| Real quick, it doesn't list mainline gun groups. | ||
| It doesn't list groups at all. | ||
| Alex is just making that up. | ||
| That's not in the document at all. | ||
| It doesn't list any mainline... | ||
| No, no, it doesn't. | ||
| Does it list any groups? | ||
| Especially not after that paragraph. | ||
| Any gun groups or anything? | ||
| I don't know what you would call... | ||
| I don't think by name. | ||
| I don't remember anything by name in the group, but it talks about these people, this group of six people. | ||
| I read earlier that this group of six people bought a bunch of weapons to machine gun down Hispanic people. | ||
| That group is listed. | ||
| That's a group of people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would concern me if Alex considered that a mainline gun group. | ||
| But based on the fact that he's saying that and hasn't read the document, because he hasn't read the document, it sort of leads you to believe that that's the point he's making, which is fucking shitty. | ||
| And then secondarily, this is a document about violent extremists. | ||
| Not... | ||
| Middle-of-the-road people who like guns and are conservatives. | ||
| That is not what this is interested in at all. | ||
| The fact that Alex Jones is responding to this, like, saying, these violent groups are using the first African-American president existing as a source of radicalization and recruitment, and he says, that's what you're supposed to do. | ||
| You're supposed to recruit. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| In America. | ||
| Like, uh, Alex... | ||
| You're supposed to mobilize, is also what he said. | ||
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| Which is... | ||
| Against tyranny. | ||
| Also, it's a little bit disappointing the DHS doesn't actually do the research into the Tea Party and these movements entirely. | ||
| These propagandists are using a black president. | ||
| I don't know if they have time yet at this point. | ||
| Right, that's fair. | ||
| But when they say these propagandists are using a black president to recruit and do all that stuff, you'd almost hope they were like... | ||
| And these propagandists are paid by the Koch brothers. | ||
| The Koch brothers are the reason that these propagandists do all this shit. | ||
| But then again, you're right. | ||
| Absolutely none of the law enforcement groups are at all willing to point to... | ||
| So much of this being the result of those two fucking billionaires. | ||
| And other people, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You can't turn it into a unipolar thing. | ||
| There's a bunch of conservatives. | ||
| No, it's a dark... | ||
| Well, I mean, the Mercers, of course. | ||
| Like, there's an entire dark money network. | ||
| Yeah, oh, fuck Sheldon. | ||
| I mean, there's a bunch of people and foundations and shit like that. | ||
| Well, the fucking Ricketts! | ||
| The fuckbags who own the Cubs! | ||
| There's a ton of that stuff. | ||
| And it becomes shorthand to say, The Koch brothers, sort of. | ||
| And I think that's kind of wrong of us, but at the same time, they were the primary funders of Citizens for a Sound Economy that split into FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity, which were the biggest funders of people like Glenn Beck and helped foster this movement. | ||
| It's not to say that they were the only super-rich right-wing people behind it. | ||
| With the amount of dark money that they filter through all of these different non-profits, which, again... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We should really be, I don't know, laws? | ||
| Can we have laws? | ||
| Be nice. | ||
| So Alex is lying there about the mainline gun groups. | ||
| He's advocating for the thing that this report is warning about. | ||
| Possibly because he hasn't read it, or possibly because he underlyingly does identify with and support these violent groups. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But then he lies some more. | ||
| The high volume of purchases, and this is the key, the high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement. | ||
| So their primary concern is the fact that you're buying guns and ammo, and they say later that everybody buying guns and ammo is basically a terrorist. | ||
| Their primary concern to law enforcement is that you're buying guns and ammo. | ||
| That is not at all what the report says. | ||
| It says the violent right-wing extremists are stockpiling guns. | ||
| That part is absolutely true. | ||
| And it says it is a primary concern. | ||
| Not the primary concern. | ||
| And I would not like to live in a world where it wasn't a primary concern. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The idea that people who do have really paranoid, violently anti-government beliefs, they're stockpiling weapons. | ||
| Guys! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Look over there! | ||
| I think that that's an important thing for people to know about. | ||
| Especially the people who are trying to keep other people safe. | ||
| Did anybody send them a copy of Hide Your Guns? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Alex should have broken into a live read. | ||
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That should be name-checked in that document. | |
| And then, at no point does it say that gun owners are terrorists. | ||
| At no point does it say that buying a gun is bad or suspicious. | ||
| I read that... | ||
| That sentence or that paragraph where they're talking about how law-abiding citizens owning legitimate guns, that sort of thing. | ||
| It's very clearly not anti-gun in this report. | ||
| Alex is just completely lying. | ||
| So then he lies some more. | ||
| They say anti-government ideology is racist. | ||
| Nothing to do with it. | ||
| They don't say that at all. | ||
| That is not in there. | ||
| No, but it does sound like Alex is responding to the fact that they say that the black president thing is used as a propaganda tool for people to recruit, as them specifically pointing out that he is afraid of a black president and is using him to recruit. | ||
| And so he has to be like, no, they're calling me a racist. | ||
| They're definitely not calling me an opportunist. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I mean, that's what goes back to my... | ||
| And also, I am a racist, so there's that. | ||
| That's what goes back to my primary conviction, and that is that the only thing that is damning about this is Alex's response to it. | ||
| The only way in which this report is about him is how he is behaving in response to it. | ||
| He makes it about him by his response. | ||
| If you saw this report and you were like, huh, yep, move along. | ||
| That's the appropriate response. | ||
| Or be like, hey guys, there are people within our communities. | ||
| that we need to be on the lookout for it. | ||
| Not saying be a snitch or anything like that, but, hey, we need to do better in our communities. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
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Any of that stuff. | |
| That would be a fitting response. | ||
| Defending, deflecting, lying. | ||
| He's lying about this report. | ||
| In order to suit his the government is your enemy rhetoric, that behavior is suspicious. | ||
| It's pretty suspicious. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I would also probably put it under the category of protecting his buddies, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that kind of thing. | ||
| I considered that as well. | ||
| Of like, hey, why are they talking about Steve? | ||
| He's a good buddy of mine, you know? | ||
| I think that there could be an element of that. | ||
| Whether it's a specific person or just spiritually. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then on the other hand, I think there's a piece of it that's also covering his own ass. | ||
| I think there's a self-defense aspect of it where he's trying to make sure that he's never seen as advocating violence or something like that. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| We are still fresh off the Pittsburgh thing. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And the Pittsburgh thing is referenced in the report. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But Alex doesn't bring that up on the show, though it is mentioned in an article that I read on Infowars.com. | ||
| They talk about how this incident is in this report and people have tied Alex to this report. | ||
| Ergo, this report is about Alex. | ||
| But the report doesn't mention Alex. | ||
| It doesn't mention any of that stuff. | ||
| That's something that you have to bring to the report. | ||
| You have to write that in with your reading. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, the thing about the problem with doing this serialized over, you know, we do a 2009 episode once a week, like that kind of thing. | ||
| It's easy to forget the context within which he is reacting so pettily to these, like, emails. | ||
| You know, when he's reading that email and reacting so fucking, what, like, pathetically. | ||
| You mean this report? | ||
| No, no, no, the email. | ||
| You know, or the people saying that he's not talking about Berkeley. | ||
| Like, this is all in the same context of him feeling super defensive about the Pittsburgh thing and people tying him to that. | ||
| So I don't find it hard to imagine that he's on that red alert. | ||
| Like, I gotta be making sure that people don't think that I'm attached to whatever it is they're thinking I'm attached to. | ||
| I need to make sure that I'm taking them down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and controlling my own narrative. | ||
| I think that's a piece of it, but probably a small piece of it. | ||
| I think it's more the bulk of it is he knows that this is going to be a really effective way to demonize the government and make it look like they are coming for you, and specifically coming for your guns, which works out to reinforce and bolster the other narratives that he puts out. | ||
| I think that's mostly what it is, and I base some of that on this next clip. | ||
| It goes on to say historical presidential election. | ||
| Social programs to minorities and firearms restrictions being the policies of Barack Obama. | ||
| So they're saying, we're coming after your guns, and the terrorists don't want that, and the terrorists are buying guns and ammo. | ||
| It goes on to say... | ||
| Do you see that there, the way he twisted that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's indicative of, I'm going to use this however I can. | ||
| And specifically what he wants the idea to be, which is not most of the report, what he wants it to be is the idea that this is proof that they're coming for your guns. | ||
| Which it doesn't say in there at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That clip is like, it does not matter what the report had said, period. | ||
| It doesn't matter the context, because he hasn't read it. | ||
| He thinks of you as a paragraph. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| The report could have just mentioned Ron Paul as being like, we found a guy who said Ron Paul's name, and he would have... | ||
| Spun that. | ||
| It could have been about fucking, we don't want to sell knives. | ||
| And he would have been like, see, this is the first step in them coming for your guns. | ||
| Ron Paul, they think that it's Ron Paul and everybody who's a Ron Paul fan is going to buy knives and then buy guns. | ||
| Outlaw knives, tomorrow it's guns. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't matter what the report says. | ||
| Nope, it doesn't. | ||
| He's just going to use it as a prop. | ||
| So here's the sad part. | ||
| This DHS report was written by a guy named Daryl Johnson who had previously spent 15 years studying domestic terrorism. | ||
| He compiled data, created new databases to track correlations, and studied specific anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist groups for years. | ||
| God, I hear a hammer drop coming. | ||
| In 2009, he authored this report, and because of the backlash caused by people like Alex Jones, the DHS caved and ended up repudiating the report. | ||
| In April 2010, the DHS dissolved Johnson's team, at which point he entered the security consultancy business. | ||
| Unsurprisingly, as the threat of right-wing extremism has grown from 2012 onward, Johnson has constantly been a voice interviewed by places like Wired magazine to the Washington Post about how he tried to warn people, but the bureaucracy didn't listen. | ||
| They were too focused on Islamic terrorism and too willing to bow down to coordinated right-wing media pressure to do their job. | ||
| Not much else is there to say about this other than the exact behavior demonstrated by Alex in this episode is directly traceable to weakening the government's ability to deal with violent extremists because his feelings got hurt. | ||
| That is all that's being manifested here. | ||
| And if you read interviews with Daryl Johnson, you can find a number of them. | ||
| He talks about how back then there were so many more people studying and tracking Islamic terrorism, and he had a small team that was working on the non-Islamic domestic side of things. | ||
| And then after this conflagration of this report that he put out, the backlash that came from it, you get to April 2010, his team gets dissolved, and now there's just one guy who's working for the DHS on that entire world of the non-Islamic right wing. | ||
| And maybe since that interview it's gone up a little bit, but I would be surprised if it has. | ||
| Well, considering the fact that we've had an increase in domestic terrorism and hate crimes and all that shit since 2016, it would be hard to imagine that they recently increased the size of the team in time. | ||
| Maybe they did a week ago. | ||
| But the people who run the DHS are the ones who are now kind of halfway promoting it. | ||
| And he talks about how all of these tools and things that he had come up with within the DHS for tracking and understanding this sort of stuff, it's all been decimated. | ||
| Yeah, we're all lit on fire. | ||
| Yeah, basically all of these things that he had worked throughout his career to put into place have been just completely... | ||
| Like the printer in office space. | ||
| Yep, completely ineffective now. | ||
| And actually, it's interesting. | ||
| His interviews are super interesting. | ||
| Because one of them was in 2012. | ||
| And he was talking about a particular sort of right-wing shooting spree. | ||
| It was just a lone wolf shooter and that sort of stuff. | ||
| And he's like, well, you know, the stuff... | ||
| I told everyone that this is important and we need to pay attention to it. | ||
| But even if nothing had changed, I don't think we could have done anything about this guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I hear something like that from someone who studies this, I just hear expert. | ||
| I hear a sincere voice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because someone who's trying to run a con or someone who has bad faith positions, if they're being interviewed after the fact about how right they were and were shut down because they were right, they would lionize everything. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They wouldn't have a response that was like, well, even in a perfect situation, if nothing happened to me... | ||
| This guy probably would have slipped through the cracks because there's no way to track him. | ||
| He's not attached to any X, Y, or Z group that we're following or anything like that. | ||
| That's humility. | ||
| That's humble. | ||
| If it were Alex in that situation, giving an interview about how right he was in the past, he would have said, if they had implemented what I told him to, this guy would never have happened. | ||
| It wouldn't matter if that was anywhere near true, but just by... | ||
| And that's not... | ||
| That's not just Alex. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's so many people. | ||
| And it doesn't matter. | ||
| And it's also people who are... | ||
| Experts on fucking everything who would try and do that. | ||
| Well, because it's very tempting to sort of over-promise in a hypothetical past. | ||
| You know, like you have, like, if this had happened, like some sort of counterfactual track through time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, yeah, of course you could say, if that had happened, I would have destroyed this. | ||
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| I would have been, you know. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, but this guy resists that impulse because he knows what he's talking about. | ||
| Yeah, I think Daryl Johnson's a real sad, I mean, not a sad person, but the picture of it is real sad. | ||
| And it's real fucked up to think about how much that really did end up causing crippling of tracking right-wing extremists and white nationalists, white supremacists, neo-Nazis and that sort of thing. | ||
| And the fact that Alex Jones really was a part of the backlash that led to that. | ||
| What he's doing is facilitating all of this right-wing terrorism that we've seen in the last years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| It's hard to say if there's intention behind it, but I don't really care. | ||
| I think something that is kind of fascinating about that is that Obama was at a disadvantage while trying to kind of... | ||
| Tackle this stuff. | ||
| He would appear so much worse than if it was a white president saying, we need to follow up on these people. | ||
| It would have certainly got way more backlash. | ||
| Because it's like, oh look, see? | ||
| It's a black president who's going after people like that. | ||
| He's trying to kill Whitey. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's more at a disadvantage in trying to tackle right-wing white nationalist terrorism because he's black. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| In the court of public opinion. | ||
| And especially in the court of propaganda. | ||
| Right-wing propaganda. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| It would have been a disaster. | ||
| So, that's all a bummer, but here in this next clip, Alex gets back to talking about Glenn Beck because a caller brought him up. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And Alex has an imagined conversation between the powers that be and Glenn Beck when he betrays the Patriots for 30 pieces of silver. | ||
| Sir, sir, hold on, hold on, hold on, sir, sir. | ||
| Sir, I mean, you brought up Glenn Beck. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to write a note about Beck since you brought him up. | ||
| Because every time a listener reminds me of something, I remember that I'm not even attacking him with one-tenth of the truth. | ||
| But you're absolutely right about Beck. | ||
| I remember him saying Secret Service was protecting him. | ||
| He hates no one like 9-11 truthers. | ||
| He hates the victims' families. | ||
| He hates the patriot movement. | ||
| He hates militias. | ||
| He hates gun owners. | ||
| And then the feds came to him and said, look, you really want to burn these people? | ||
| We love you. | ||
| You hate America? | ||
| We love you, Beck. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| You co-opt them so we can destroy them. | ||
| And Beck said, absolutely. | ||
| Sorry, go ahead. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| These people came up and they're like, hey, you really hate these people? | ||
| You gotta come with us. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| That literally happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That literally happened. | ||
| I was hoping that he would get another update on the San Antonio Tea Party. | ||
| I was really hoping that that guy would call like five times in a row. | ||
| Just like, hey, just wanted to give you another update. | ||
| The tea party is about an hour in. | ||
| Hey, Alex, we're still embedded over here. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Nope. | ||
| Like a weather correspondent. | ||
| We're resisting getting our balls cut off. | ||
| It's going well so far. | ||
| Back in a bit. | ||
| So here is Alex just sort of reinforcing my position that I think he just realized that he could exploit the tea party. | ||
| When he realizes in this next clip that it's a perfect way for him to get his documentary, The Obama Deception, out into the world. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But the caller mentioned how he's getting The Obama Deception out to people. | ||
| All over the country, at tea parties coming up later this week, and in the Fed rallies, but not just there. | ||
| At other events, people are making copies of The Obama Deception. | ||
| This film is about the bankers. | ||
| This film is about who the criminals are. | ||
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This film is about the financial raping of the people. | |
| This film covers it all. | ||
| And this film needs to be seen by everyone. | ||
| So just having the DVD or buying the DVD at Infowars.com, that's great. | ||
| That supports the radio show and future filmmaking. | ||
| But what really is effective is airing it on AXS TV, very easy to do, making copies of it, giving it to people. | ||
| Future filmmaking. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, I just think you see there him being, like, that's sort of an ad, just sort of chunk, but it is, at the same time, just being like, you can get a lot of copies and go out and give it to people at tea parties. | ||
| That's great, because it's perfect. | ||
| They're the dumb people. | ||
| They're literally the ones that we're recruiting using anti-Obama fucking propaganda, much like the DHS report said! | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they'll be all congregated in person, in physical reality, and you can go and give them copies of these DVDs. | ||
| You can use peer pressure. | ||
| You can do the whole thing. | ||
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Wake them up! | |
| Wake them up! | ||
| So, in this next clip, I thought this DHS report was going to be it, in terms of, like, Alex bringing specifics into his narratives. | ||
| But a caller calls in, and he's contesting, sort of, not aggressively, but he just doesn't know what Alex's narrative about the mass graves are. | ||
| Mass graves are a piece of Alex's narratives about the FEMA camps. | ||
| He's like, there's all these plastic coffins that the government's buying. | ||
| They're going to kill off all the patriots and then bury them in shallow graves. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| And all these FEMA camps, just, you go in, bullet to the head. | ||
| Gotta. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| And so this caller asks, where's that mass grave stuff coming from? | ||
| More or less is his question. | ||
| And Alex seems... | ||
| Pissed off to have to answer this question. | ||
| And then he does a really bad job. | ||
| And then I presented you with mainstream news about the mass graves and incinerators. | ||
| Did you hear me go over that? | ||
| Unfortunately, I did not. | ||
| Well, we've written articles about it and posted it. | ||
| In fact, let me just show you again. | ||
| I just had it earlier. | ||
| I can't actually show this over and over and over and over and over and over and over. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| I apologize for bringing it up again. | ||
| Stop, stop. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Just let me get it for you. | ||
| Okay, here it is. | ||
| I'm going to show it to you again. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Masquerade folder right here. | ||
| This will be the fifth time. | ||
| I don't mind doing this. | ||
| People can't always listen. | ||
| It's got a folder. | ||
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Is it Manila? | |
| Rocky Mountain News. | ||
| State prepares for bioterrorism February 8, 2003. | ||
| The state of Colorado sees antibodies, cremate disease-ridden corpses. | ||
| And under extreme circumstances, take mass graves under executive orders drafted for the use in the event of a bioterrorism attack. | ||
| Then it goes into the governor's measures, the mass grave sites, the incinerators, and how they're getting ready for that. | ||
| Point of order, the article doesn't go into the sites. | ||
| It doesn't go into the governor's orders. | ||
| All that stuff is Alex making shit up. | ||
| So this is some really lame shit. | ||
| This episode is from April 2009, and the evidence that Alex has that the government is planning a mass casualty event is that there was an article in the Rocky Mountain Times from six years prior. | ||
| If that's his evidence, then this article better literally be about the government agents admitting they're planning a mass casualty event that these graves are for. | ||
| You think that that's what this article is about? | ||
| I think it would be a very small folder if this is what he's got. | ||
| It was not. | ||
| That's not what the story's about at all. | ||
| This one was really hard to find the actual article of. | ||
| It's referenced repeatedly in InfoWars articles, always citing the same quote that Alex just read there. | ||
| That's all that is ever in any InfoWars article, but they never provide a link. | ||
| I took that quote and I searched for it and went through a bunch of nonsense websites and ultimately I traced down an Arizona weirdo who had a blog who actually links to the real article. | ||
| I could take that link, put it into the internet archive and find the article. | ||
| If you do read this article, there's a few things that jump out to you immediately that make it clear why Alex doesn't link to the whole article or want anybody reading it. | ||
| The first thing is that this has nothing to do with the federal government. | ||
| It's all about the governor of Colorado having a series of eight draft executive orders regarding emergency preparedness. | ||
| Alex certainly isn't against the idea of having a plan in place in case things go bad. | ||
| I mean, he sells survival food. | ||
| His problem is that he thinks that the federal government and FEMA are evil and thinks that states'rights are paramount. | ||
| Nothing in this story should offend that sensibility. | ||
| It's all about the state government. | ||
| It specifically talks about state health care workers being allowed to commandeer drugs from pharmacies in the case of an emergency. | ||
| It lays out the rationale that the federal government will be the ones to provide those drugs. | ||
| But in an emergency, people on the ground can't wait for any possible delays. | ||
| These pharmacies would be compensated, of course. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Three of the remaining seven orders had to do with suspending licensing regulations so emergency workers could prescribe medications in a crisis, something that would Alex hates regulations and thinks that his chiropractor friend Dr. Group should be able to prescribe meds, so I don't see what his problem here is either. | ||
| One of the remaining four orders makes it so in an emergency, emergency rooms would be able to turn away patients, something that is against the law in Colorado under normal conditions. | ||
| The reasoning is that in a biological attack or something like that, emergency medical stations would be set up, patients would be processed, and sent to the appropriate hospital to avoid making the situation worse. | ||
| Again, I feel like Alex, as a libertarian, should be totally cool with the idea of hospitals being able to turn people away since they shouldn't be forced into helping anybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That is right in line with libertarian principles. | |
| I don't know what his problem is. | ||
| One of the last three orders makes it so mental health patients could be kicked out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I believe it would be a cart. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Drawn cart. | ||
| They would just toss them in there. | ||
| I mean, in a legitimate emergency, someone who deserves care for mental health conditions, I understand why you would deprioritize that to people who possibly are suffering from biological attacks. | ||
| I'll tell you one reason to get them out of there, because everybody else in the hospital has been fucking hit by a biological attack! | ||
| That's another reason. | ||
| They should be around there! | ||
| That's a really good angle on it. | ||
| So the last two of the orders are about easing burial and funeral regulations to accommodate the possibility that there would be tons of bodies that needed to be handled in a short period of time and some of the red tape could get in the way. | ||
| Things like the family of the person... | ||
| By law, they have to sign off on how they're buried and stuff like that. | ||
| And a lot of that stuff could be time that you don't have in an emergency. | ||
| The difficulty of figuring out the people's immediate family, you might end up spreading something. | ||
| And yeah, it's so often it's like... | ||
| Look, unfortunately, we're gonna have to burn these bodies. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because, yeah, they're dead, but we're gonna have to burn them on account of germs are still there, man! | ||
| It's horrible to think about, but the situation that they're talking about is, like, real fucking serious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you put your brain into, like... | ||
| Ebola outbreak. | ||
| Airborne Ebola outbreak in America or something like that. | ||
| And it really sucks to think about, like, well, you're taking control of the burial process away from the family or whatever, but it's an existential crisis. | ||
| It's very much like, look, I get it. | ||
| During the Black Plague, it's like... | ||
| No, there are family members. | ||
| We still need to give them a religious burial. | ||
| And you're like, no, you've got to burn that shit because everybody you know is going to die. | ||
| That's exactly the point I was going to get to. | ||
| We learned that lesson about the idea of dead bodies that could be infected are a public health crisis. | ||
| We learned that a few years back. | ||
| Just a couple years back. | ||
| That one in the bubonic fucking plague. | ||
| We learned that. | ||
| A thousand years ago, whenever people were catapulting dead bodies into cities in order to spread a fucking disease. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| And so, you know, it sucks. | ||
| But even here's a quote. | ||
| Quote, I don't want to come across as saying the state's going to make this decision to do mass cremations and ruin the lives of families. | ||
| That's certainly not the intent. | ||
| Mark Estock, bioterrorism program coordinator for the state health department, said. | ||
| But it, referencing the executive order, just gives us maximum flexibility. | ||
| So he's even saying, like, I don't like this. | ||
| I really, really, really hope that we, even in a biological crisis, we don't have to do any of this shit. | ||
| That's my hope. | ||
| This is only if it gets the most worst. | ||
| So now here's the thing. | ||
| These executive orders have never been used. | ||
| And if you look on Colorado.gov, you can find the list of Governor Bill Owens' executive orders. | ||
| It doesn't even look like these were ever signed. | ||
| I don't know for sure. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| I don't know for sure, but from what I can tell, this was a series of executive orders that were written up as drafts, and Governor Owens didn't sign them. | ||
| I could be wrong, but I can't find any evidence that there were anything more than these drafts. | ||
| And the article Alex is referencing even says, quote, Owens hasn't signed any of the draft executive orders yet, and there's a good chance they'll never be needed. | ||
| So this is not even just, like, we've signed this into law now. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Should this happen, we will sign this. | ||
| We have these executive orders ready in a folder, much like Alex's mask gray folder. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That way we don't have to wait another week in order to draft something during the crisis. | ||
| I think it's possible, or it could be just that they... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know exactly what happened, but I went through the next year or two of Bill Owen's governorship and looked at all of the executive orders. | ||
| Most of them are just... | ||
| Hey, here's the new guy who's the secretary of X. Right, right, right. | ||
| And then declared a lot of emergencies about floods and fires and stuff like that. | ||
| But I didn't find anything that indicated that he signed these. | ||
| There was the weird one where he signed into... | ||
| One of his executive orders was that... | ||
| Dubstep was the new national music. | ||
| That was a weird thing. | ||
| Especially in 2004. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It might seem a little broad for Colorado to prep these executive orders. | ||
| It seems pretty extreme, maybe. | ||
| The things that they're talking about. | ||
| Like we're saying, it's in extreme emergencies. | ||
| But you also need to keep in mind that this was written after the anthrax scares in late 2001 and right in the period where the U.S. was gearing up for war in Iraq. | ||
| I don't think it's too insane for a person who's responsible for the safety of the citizens of an entire state to consider what the best way to address a possible emergency would be ahead of time. | ||
| And that's really all this is. | ||
| Especially since they're talking about a biological attack, which would, of course, be more associated. | ||
| You know, Iraq isn't going to put troops on the ground in the States. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| But they can slip a terrorist in who's going to release a biological weapon. | ||
| That's their warfare. | ||
| We have the gift of hindsight on this, and we can laugh about, like, isn't it crazy they thought a dirty bomb was coming? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Everybody thought a fucking dirty bomb was coming. | ||
| Whether everybody did or not, I'm sure there were some people, some aloof commentators who were like, you guys are over-exaggerating, you're being hysterical, that sort of thing. | ||
| But I don't think that that attitude is correct for someone who has the responsibility for an entire state's population like a governor does. | ||
| It is on them in many ways to help protect the safety of the people from things that people shouldn't have to worry about on a day-to-day basis. | ||
| You would hope not. | ||
| So I get, while I still think that a lot of the threats were exaggerated. | ||
| In a propagandist kind of way. | ||
| No! | ||
| In the lead up to the war in Iraq. | ||
| What? | ||
| I still think that these sorts of things are, like, this idea of preparation that's being expressed through these executive orders and this Rocky Mountain Times article that Alex is referencing, I don't see anything wrong with it. | ||
| I only see Alex lying about it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's it. | ||
| Yep! | ||
| No disagreements here. | ||
| So he then goes on to talk about another piece of evidence he has about mass graves, and it's not good either. | ||
| Now, I'm going through these all day, but here's State of New York, Department of State, Division of Cemeteries. | ||
| You can read this document and call the phone numbers. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| Out of the article written by Aaron Dykes, plans for mass graves confirmed. | ||
| Government surveying cemetery readiness for flu outbreak. | ||
| So they're preparing for millions all over the country, tens of thousands per cemetery. | ||
| And you can call the phone numbers and call the state. | ||
| They admit this is real, okay? | ||
| So, see, we're covering... | ||
| What's real and admitted, but no one will talk about it. | ||
| No one will put up a YouTube video. | ||
| No one will discuss it. | ||
| No one will get into it. | ||
| They won't because it's bullshit. | ||
| I mean, this is a real document in the same way that a lot of these are. | ||
| The MIAC document's real. | ||
| The DHS document is real. | ||
| The Rocky Mountain Times article is real. | ||
| But I found this. | ||
| I mean, it's still posted as a PDF on Infowars, even. | ||
| Like, this document about the New York cemeteries. | ||
| And if you go through it, it's just a bunch of questions. | ||
| It's a, like, five-page questionnaire that's sent out to cemeteries that are just trying to gauge whether or not they could accommodate in case of a disaster. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Which, again, from a public health standpoint, makes total sense. | ||
| If you need that... | ||
| It is good to know ahead of time where you can and can't go, and it's super respectful to them as businesses. | ||
| Like, one of their questions, in section O, and O doesn't mean something, it's actually section O, is the cemetery able to sustain itself, in parentheses, cash flow, if due to a mass fatality event... | ||
| Interminate space and burial fees are delayed or government reimbursed. | ||
| So this is even asking if we needed to commandeer your cemetery. | ||
| Could you work for free and then we'll pay you back or would this bankrupt you? | ||
| Because if this is going to bankrupt you, we can't use you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And it has, how long can you sustain? | ||
| Circle one. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Three months, six months, 12 months, 18 months, 24 months. | ||
| So it's even respectful of the business entity as itself. | ||
| And then also, you know, it has the, like, you know, do you have capability? | ||
| Do you have Wi-Fi? | ||
| This gets back so much to the propagandist bread and butter, which is that if you prepare for an emergency, the propagandist says you're going to create the emergency. | ||
| And if the emergency happens and you're not prepared for it, the propagandist is going to say, you should have fucking prepared for it. | ||
| They have you coming and going. | ||
| Because they're cheating. | ||
| This is a cheat. | ||
| This is a dodge. | ||
| I can read this document and I can see nothing wrong with it. | ||
| I see exactly why it exists. | ||
| And then at the same time, I see exactly the bread and butter Alex is making out of it. | ||
| And I just think, like, it's not reading comprehension-based. | ||
| Like, I know he can't read and stuff like that, but... | ||
| It leads me to believe that because he's so lazy and such a just a reacting kind of guy, I think the real, like, the insidious evil at Infowars is those people who write the articles. | ||
| Because Alex isn't, he didn't read the Rocky Mountain Times article. | ||
| He didn't read the DHS report. | ||
| He thought it was Section EU. | ||
| Like, he didn't read these things. | ||
| He read the Infowars articles about them and then responded to it. | ||
| So it's the people like Kurt Nimmo who have read the articles or the actual report or whatever and then write the article about it that Alex uses as the jumping off point. | ||
| That might be the more nefarious evil behind this. | ||
| Alex is still fucking evil as shit, but he's stupid. | ||
| Do you think he's in the writer's room? | ||
| No, he's in the... | ||
| He's in the lounge, drinking. | ||
| In normal, it would be the news desks where all of this stuff happens. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Do the writers for Infowars even come into the office? | ||
| Yeah, they sit at cubicles, I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah, do you think so? | ||
| Yeah, Alex gave a tour of their studio. | ||
| I've seen the layout of it. | ||
| So he's not in the editorial pitch meeting? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| No, I bet Buckley is. | ||
| I bet Buckley runs that shit while Alex is nursing a hangover or starting one. | ||
| So the way that... | ||
| This probably goes is not Alex is in the editorial room talking about here are the things we want to cover. | ||
| Alex's talent, baby. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There's an editorial room where they're like, here are the narratives we've got today. | ||
| It's less like a news desk and more like the writer's room at SNL. | ||
| They've got Paul Joseph Watson on Skype from London, UK. | ||
| Where they're like, let's come up with some things that we can lie about. | ||
| Let's talk about some fun things. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kurt. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know what, though? | ||
| Alex is actively involved, because we've seen when things have broken on the show, like when the show was happening, and he's called Paul Joseph Watson and been like, I need you to write an article that sums up all of this. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| And I've always thought that that was because he wants the audience to have access to what the narrative should be. | ||
| But I think there's a decent chance it's because he doesn't know what it should be. | ||
| And he needs the direction of someone like Paul Joseph Watson, who's smart enough to figure out, okay, This is the way we package it This is the way you take the truth of this and turn it into the lie that you can sell to your dumb audience. | ||
| Yeah, this is such... | ||
| I think that's probably what's going on. | ||
| This is like paid joke writers. | ||
| This is such like somebody going on the road and they're like, I had an hour of material for ten years and I can't write any new jokes. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| He probably did his years of public access and then the early days of his show and he's just burned out on this shit. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So he hires some writers and he's like, hey, I need a new joke about what... | ||
| Whatever the topic of the day is. | ||
| I understand that impulse. | ||
| It is really hard. | ||
| It's really hard. | ||
| It's really hard. | ||
| It takes me hours to go through this stuff. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I can't wait for five years from now when we hire some young folks. | ||
| We're just doing a script. | ||
| So we've seen a bunch of stuff here. | ||
| This DHS document is being used completely flagrantly irresponsibly. | ||
| Just a mess. | ||
| Just a mess what he's doing with this document that is descriptive in nature and he's turning it into a the government is trying to get you kind of thing. | ||
| It serves his brand, but he's so fucking wrong. | ||
| And then you see this mass grave stuff come up, and, you know, he's wrong about all this stuff, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting that he decides to say this. | ||
| I wish every day this wasn't real. | ||
| I wish every day they weren't shipping birds all over the world and shooting people up there and they're dying. | ||
| That's mainstream news, but nobody in the quote alternative movement wants to cover it. | ||
| Like there's mental block or something from covering real news, so they only can cover the weird made-up crap. | ||
| It's a weird thing that Alex is the luckiest man in the world. | ||
| He wishes that none of this is real. | ||
| And I'm here to say, none of this is real. | ||
| You have gotten your wish, Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Anyway, I think that this is interesting because of these... | ||
| You know, new pieces that we can bring to our awareness. | ||
| And then at the same time, because I think that this does represent me being done with the Tea Party stuff. | ||
| We'll end up seeing, I predict, strongly predict, just this trend continuing as the Tea Party grows. | ||
| And I think there will be varying levels of intensity that Alex feels like his movement is being stolen from him. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But I think that that's pretty much his operating position. | ||
| That's going to be where he goes from then. | ||
| Which I'm glad that's, you know, we had a, we're, we're good. | ||
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We did it. | |
| We went through the muck. | ||
| Mission accomplished. | ||
| Somali pirates. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| One thing that remains constant from a decade ago to now is the thing that I hate most about Alex. | ||
| And it's the thing that I hate most about so many of these guys. | ||
| But Alex is like the number one guy I know who... | ||
| Will directly assert the exact opposite of reality. | ||
| Like so many people... | ||
| And then say that anyone who's expressing reality is doing that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like so many people in the right-wing propaganda sphere try and twist it. | ||
| They try and spin it. | ||
| They try and do all of this stuff. | ||
| They try and take reality and make it mean something else. | ||
| And Alex just says directly, the... | ||
| Opposite of what you say is true. | ||
| 180 degrees perfectly is what is true. | ||
| It's still spin, but it's aggressive spin. | ||
| I'm so much more comfortable with 170 degrees of spin. | ||
| A direct refutation of reality with no acceptance of it at all. | ||
| It's gaslighting, that's why. | ||
| It's so infuriating. | ||
| It's an abusive tactic. | ||
| It's manipulation that he's trying to perpetuate on a grand scale. | ||
| Yeah, I think I feel like a woman from old times. | ||
| So we're done here with this episode, but Daryl Johnson, the guy who wrote that DHS report, Yeah. | ||
| He's never killed anybody. | ||
| He just tried to warn people about dudes who were going to be killing people in the near future. | ||
| And he got shot down for it. | ||
| But one guy who has killed people actually was part of shutting down his warning about people who are going to kill people. | ||
| And that guy who's technically probably killed somebody, that's Alex Jones. | ||
| That was convoluted linguistically, but here we are. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |