Knowledge Fight #257 dissects Roger Stone’s January 2019 indictment—$250K bail, 29 FBI agents, and a "world exclusive" interview with Alex Jones that fell flat. Jones pivots to conspiracy claims, framing Stone’s arrest as racially motivated or tied to "globalists," while dismissing financial struggles as censorship. Friesen and Holmes mock Jones’ performative outrage, cult-like rhetoric ("intergalactic quest"), and past tactics like paying disruptions, exposing his hypocrisy. Ultimately, the episode reveals how Infowars weaponizes fear and spectacle to sustain its operation amid documented legal failures. [Automatically generated summary]
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Now, Jordan, today, like I said, Roger Stone got indicted, and he's in trouble.
And here's the problem with being Roger Stone.
His primary brand is basically being a dick, so no one's really going to go soft on him.
And at the same time, two of the things that he's most famous for are the movie Get Me Roger Stone and saying that John Podesta's time in the barrel is coming prior to the John Podesta emails being leaked.
So those two things are things that are so fucking easy for people to make jokes and headlines about.
It's just a sea of people doing like...
Mueller said, get me Roger Stone.
Or even John Podesta said, it's now Roger Stone's time in the barrel.
By having this kind of brand and this career that's so attacky, attacky and attacky, he ends up becoming the recipient of it once the tables are turned a little bit.
On one level, I wish people would be a little more creative, but on another level, I kind of enjoy it.
I don't know how basic to get with this information, but I guess I should probably just assume that everybody doesn't know anything.
Today we're going to be going over Friday's episode of Alex Jones' show.
What would that have been?
The 25th, I guess?
Yeah, January 25th, 2019.
And it's in the immediate aftermath of Roger getting arrested and posting bail.
He got arrested at like 6 in the morning, I believe was the exact time.
FBI agents swatted his house, which I think is a good idea.
I think that based on the things that he's up to and the context that he has, I would consider him a flight risk for sure.
You're going to want to surprise him.
Not because of danger, not like he's going to get a shootout going or something like that, but I wouldn't take any chances.
So they SWAT teamed his house in the morning, took him away, and arrested him.
Pretty soon after that, him and his lawyers were able to negotiate a bail, and he posted a $250,000 bond, and he is now free to go to New York and Florida.
I believe those are the two places he's allowed to travel between.
If Roger Stone wanted to, he could have gotten Austin on that list.
He didn't, and I think that's partially because I have a large theory about all this, and I think that Roger, in many ways, now that he's actually been indicted, realizes Alex can't really help him outside of tricking his listeners into giving him money.
There is a great moment in his press conference that he gave.
We're not going to play a clip of it, but an interviewer asks, have you had any conversations with Trump about being pardoned?
And Roger's response is, pardon me?
I don't think he was trying to be funny, but it's hilarious.
That's pretty great.
So, Jordan, here we go.
Let's jump into this, and we'll, you know.
We'll get through it the best we can.
We're going to be going over this indictment here bit by bit as we go through the episode, but I'd like to lay some of it out for the listeners here who haven't read it.
For someone like me, it seems unthinkable that someone wouldn't immediately go out and read that indictment, but I also accept that I'm a weirdo.
So Mueller handed down a six-count indictment against Roger Stone on Friday.
Counts two through six are all lies that Roger told the House Intelligence Committee, and count one is an obstruction charge regarding some threatening messages that Roger sent to Randy Credico.
Reading over this indictment, one gets a very strong sense that Roger is completely fucked.
The obstruction charge could carry a 20-year sentence, and each charge of lying to Congress could be up to five years.
But I don't mean that Roger's fucked because that's a total of 50 years he could be looking at, which is life for him.
I mean he's fucked because of the information that's laid out in the document, and more importantly, the information that is conspicuous in its absence.
The text messages and emails that are referenced are mostly, but not all, correspondences that had already come to light in some manner or another.
Some are messages that came out when Jerome Corsi got in trouble like a month or two ago, about a month ago.
Some were reported on back in mid-2018 when Randy Credico met with investigators.
But there are a few pieces of information in the indictment that bring it all together and clearly demonstrate that Roger Stone intentionally misled the House Intel Committee and gives a strong indication as to why.
There's no fat in that document, which I think is an interesting point.
Mueller clearly has so many more emails and texts than the ones referenced in this document.
And if I were a gambling man, I would bet that the reason that the indictment looks the way it does is because what is in there is enough for Roger Stone to be charged with a crime.
And some of the other correspondences may contain information related to other crimes, particularly the correspondences between Roger and Jerome Corsi.
I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
Either way, Roger is fucked because this indictment lays out a really open and shut case that Roger is super guilty of the crimes he's accused of.
Another way he's fucked is that he's essentially been thrust into a prisoner's dilemma with Paul Manafort.
The two of them know a lot of dirt on each other and are both really bad people.
So now that they've both been indicted, each of them knows that the other is a threat.
Typically, you never want to be in a prisoner's dilemma with someone who you know is untrustworthy, and there are few people...
And now, in order to discuss this indictment within its proper context, I need to give you and the listeners a little backstory to flesh out some of the aspects of the story that other non-Infowars-focused outlets might have missed.
So, Alex Jones isn't the only person in our story who has a radio show.
Or more accurately, had a radio show.
On August 15, 2016, Genesis Communications Network distributed a press release heralding the launch of The Stone Cold Truth, a two-hour show hosted by Roger Stone every Saturday.
The show is short-lived on GCN, which isn't suspicious at all.
I say slightly facetiously.
Ironically, his time slot is now filled by World Crisis Radio, hosted by Webster Tarpley, the former Infowars guest who turned on Alex in early 2016 when he realized that Trump was an aspiring fascist.
Very bizarrely, the co-host of Roger Stone's show, The Stone Cold Truth, is a comedian named Travis Irvine, who I have definitely hung out with multiple times.
I've done shows with Travis, I've booked him on my shows when he visited town, and at no point could I have possibly imagined that he would end up being the co-host of a Roger Stone radio show.
I've listened to a number of his episodes of his show, and I know that...
Travis is involved with Roger Stone, but in terms of the show, it really seems like Roger just has him there to use as sort of a millennial stooge kind of thing.
I don't know.
I don't want to assume what their relationship actually is or anything like that, but it's really fucked up.
I think he's a really nice guy in the times that I've met him.
From September 3rd, 2016, Roger had an interview with Randy Credico.
The interview itself is inconsequential, and the two pretty much just talk about how Roger and Randy supported some crime sentencing reform measures way back, so Roger is definitely not a racist.
That's sort of the point they're trying to make.
The only thing that really stands out to me is how Roger introduces Randy Credico on this episode.
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And now, in an incredible metaphysical act, backed from the dead, a man who I actually only a few years ago swore I would never speak to again as long as I lived, and actually had a mask card printed out announcing his death, which I promulgated widely, Randy Credico.
So, without context, that sounds a little bit strange.
Why did Roger swear he would never speak to Randy Credico again?
This is a piece of the story that almost every single report that I've seen fails to discuss.
This is important.
This is a very big piece of the story, and every article that I've read has basically just said, Randy Credico and Roger Stone had a falling out, blah, blah, blah.
No one has pulled that thread, or at least no one seems to.
I'm sure somebody has, and I just haven't seen that article, but the vast majority of these articles leave that question open, and I am the type of person who's very curious, and I want to understand why.
Why the fuck do these two people who are deeply involved in a he-said-he-said situation about espionage, why the fuck do they have a falling out?
It seems important.
So, it all goes back to 2007, and I would imagine that Randy was actually the one who didn't want to talk to Roger ever again.
Back in 2007, Roger was working for the then-New York State Senate Majority Leader, Joseph Bruno, who is probably most memorable for being a huge enemy of then-Governor Eliot Spitzer.
Some of this stemmed from political differences, but some of it also probably was a result of Bruno being suspected of corruption and the fact that Spitzer's office had ordered the state police to track his travel records in terms of expenses and flights and that sort of thing.
Ultimately, this was a misuse of state resources, and Bruno was cleared of wrongdoing in terms of his travel history.
But, in 2009, he was convicted on two counts of what's known as, quote, honest services fraud, where he failed to disclose conflicts of interest involving him receiving $440,000 in consulting fees from a businessman he was friends with, which were alleged to be bribes and kickbacks.
He was sentenced to two years in prison, but his legal problems were solved by a deus ex machina moment when the Supreme Court ruled in 2010 that honest services fraud statute.
The statute regarding it was too vague, and thus his convictions were overturned and he walked free.
Legally speaking, Bruno is clean, but I refuse to accept that $440,000 from a friend who's a businessman is for legitimate consulting.
So, Eliot Spitzer was breathing down Bruno's neck, and so Roger Stone went to work trying and succeeding in taking down Eliot Spitzer.
First, he sent the FBI a letter on November 19, 2007, tipping them off about Spitzer's habit of employing sex workers.
This, to me, seems like a flagrant act of hypocrisy, seeing as Roger Stone is a noted sexual libertine and a libertarian, and thus he shouldn't be opposed to sex work being illegal or punished.
That's a bedrock of principles, like in terms of libertarianism.
I've heard him say before that he believes that in past appearances, that sex work shouldn't be criminalized.
But principles don't matter when you're ahead.
Yeah, it doesn't matter if what you're doing is directly opposed to what you believe.
It doesn't fucking matter.
This wasn't the only thing that Roger did in his attack on Eliot Spitzer.
Previous to snitching to the FBI, at about 10 p.m. on August 6th, Roger Stone called Eliot Spitzer's father Bernard and proceeded to threaten him with legal action.
Bernard Spitzer had nothing to do with Roger's political work.
In the aftermath of this call being released, Bruno asked Roger to step down, which Roger agreed to do, but he nonetheless proceeded to tell anyone who had listened that he'd been set up.
First, Roger said flatly that he didn't make the call.
Then, a private investigator that Bernard Spitzer hired showed evidence that he had traced the call and it had come from Roger's apartment.
With that information on the table, Roger had to pivot, so he claimed that anyone could have broken into his apartment and made the call, but also seemed to have no concern about his apartment being broken into.
He claimed that he was at a live performance of Frost Nixon that night, saying that he, quote, highly recommends it to Governor Spitzer.
It shows you what hubris and lying brings you.
This alibi fell apart when New York Magazine pointed out that the company putting on Frost Nixon had a dark night on August 6th.
So, Roger had nowhere to turn, but he needed to spin this, because the optics of having for no reason left a threatening message, like leaving a threatening message on an old man's phone, that's not the kind of dirty trickster image Roger likes to cultivate.
He likes to present himself as the cunning, shitty, but brilliant kind of guy.
So he goes on to say that Credico has done an impression of him in the past, and then he really swung for the fences by accusing Credico of being a cocaine addict.
That's Roger's style.
You always include a personal attack that is somehow meant to invalidate the person who could be a voice that refutes your point.
You hear it over and over again in his appearances on Infowars, even the way he attacks people who could provide criticism of him, all that shit.
So, Randy Credico thought the accusation was funny.
Quote, that's hilarious.
I'm absolutely denying it.
I mean, he does have an easy voice to do, but I haven't heard him or seen him in years.
In order for Roger's story to work, as you pointed out, pro-Spitzer forces would have to have enlisted Credico to make this phone call, posing as Roger, but they'd also have to have seamlessly broken into his house to place the phone call and brought Credico along.
Oh, and also they'd somehow have to convince Roger to lie about his alibi the night in question.
This is nonsense.
Roger did it.
Roger totally made that call, and when his back was against the wall, he blamed Randy Credico.
This is why Roger thought they would never speak again.
And there's a good chance that they wouldn't have.
But they did, because in 2016, Roger once again needed a patsy.
That's important.
On September 3rd, 2016, when Roger had Randy Credico on the Stone Cold Truth, Roger's involvement in communicating with Assange was already well underway.
According to Roger's indictment, by June or July of 2016, Roger was already telling senior Trump campaign officials, which many people think is Steve Bannon.
I'm not entirely sure if that's confirmed, because there's multiple references to Trump officials in the document, and they're not specified if it's the same person.
So he was already telling senior Trump campaign officials that WikiLeaks had damaging information and documents about Hillary Clinton.
On June 22nd, WikiLeaks released the DNC emails, and three days later, Roger emailed Jerome Corsi and told him to, quote, get to Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending emails.
Of course, he forwarded the email that Roger had sent him to Ted Malick, who we've seen pop up a time or two on Infowars in the past.
He's a British weirdo.
He's famous for the declaration, Davos man is dead!
But he's not really all that important, except for he's not named in this, and he's not like a person one, two, or three either in the document, which I find weird.
The way that the command is delivered to Corsi doesn't seem to imply that this is an unreasonable thing for Roger to be asking of him.
He doesn't tell him to try to get to Assange.
The way it's phrased heavily implies that they had reason to believe that they could, in fact, get in touch with him.
By August 2, 2016, Corsi was emailing Roger with suggestions that he knew what the next right-wing coordinated attack on Hillary was going to be.
Quote, Corsi also told Roger that he expected the next batch of emails would have to do with the Clinton Foundation.
Almost immediately, Roger began telling everyone that he'd spoken to Assange and the next documents would likely be about the Foundation, almost as if he was repeating and embellishing the things Corsi told him.
Roger would continue claiming that he had spoken with WikiLeaks until WikiLeaks put out a statement in mid-August saying they had not communicated with him, so his story changed to him having talked to them through an intermediary.
On August 23, 2016, Roger was a guest on Randy Credico's radio show, and Credico asked Roger about how Roger had been in communication with Assange.
In that interview, Roger told Randy Credico, quote, we, meaning him and Assange, have a mutual friend, someone we both trust, and therefore I'm a recipient of pretty good information.
The date of this interview is important because it predates Randy Credico ever speaking with Julian Assange.
The first time the two were in contact was when Assange was a guest on Credico's radio show on August 25, 2016.
Roger's communication, through intermediaries or not, predates the possibility of Randy Credico being his intermediary.
Jerome Corsi was the person who was coordinating with Roger on this front.
But Roger couldn't blame Corsi.
The two were too connected, and throwing Corsi under the bus would raise too many dicey questions.
But Randy Credico was perfect.
It was plausible, since Assange had been on Credico's show, thus there was a kernel of an idea that Roger could work with.
But more importantly, blaming Credico, in theory, didn't lead anywhere.
Credico wasn't aware of any of the internal machinations, but Corsi was.
This is why when Roger testified in front of the House Intelligence Committee, he said his intermediary was Credico and never brought up Jerome Corsi, because he needed that to be the perception.
By November 2017, Roger had publicly claimed that Credico was his go-between with Assange, and unsurprisingly, Credico got a request from the House Committee to come testify.
He texted Roger about it, and Roger replied with a quote from Richard Nixon.
Quote, Stonewallet, plead the fifth, anything to save the plan.
This is a paraphrasing of something that Nixon told John N. Mitchell, his former attorney general, on March 22, 1973, approximately 11 months before he would be formally impeached.
Much like Nixon, Roger was stupid enough to say something like that in a manner that would be recorded.
On November 28, 2017, Credico was subpoenaed by the committee, and he told Roger about it.
Roger told him to plead the fifth, but then two days later, he would run to Jerome Corsi and ask him to start writing some articles about Credico.
Roger sensed that his patsy wasn't cooperating, so he planned the public scapegoating that he was going to initiate that plan.
Corsi replied to his request by saying, quote, Why not wait to see what he does?
Two days after telling this weird Nixon quote to Credico in order to get him to plead the fifth, two days later, on November 30th, he reaches out to Jerome Corsi and tells him to start writing about Credico.
On November 30th, 2017, Roger Stone released a statement on Infowars on the website where he extolled the decency of Randy Credico and how the committee was wasting their time in interviewing him.
There's no byline on the story, so of course he may or may not have written it.
Either way, the editorial tone at InfoWars, it wouldn't stay flowery towards Credico for long.
And behind the scenes, Roger was anything but laudatory towards him.
This is a trend that true manipulation...
This is a tried and true manipulation strategy.
Roger said these complimentary things for two reasons in his statement about Credico.
One, as a way to try and persuade Credico to going along with him in his You Need to Plead the Fifth plan.
The next day after that article, December 1st, Roger texted Credico and told him to do a Frank Pantageli, referencing the character in Godfather 2 who pleads the 5th, but also knows what the Congressional Committee wants to know.
This is a really damning reference, considering that Frank Pantageli was set up by Forlione and was being threatened into not testifying.
Also, Frank does testify, then recants after he's been threatened.
Then, he's threatened more and told his family it'll be safe if he commits suicide.
So he does.
I don't know about Credico, but I would not be quick to do a Frank Pantageli.
And someone who, like Roger fucking Stone, saying that to me would obviously be interpreted as a threat.
That same day, Randy Credico replies and warns Roger that Roger needs to amend his testimony before December 15th, the day he was scheduled to testify.
Credico was doing this because by this point he'd figured out that he couldn't be Roger's go-between, considering that he hadn't spoken to Assange when Roger was going around the media in early August, claiming that he'd communicated with WikiLeaks.
He knew that his testimony would contradict Rogers and was extending a very unnecessary courtesy.
It's unclear what happened between December 1st and December 12th, but on the 12th, Cratico told the committee that he would assert his Fifth Amendment rights if he was forced to testify.
Based on information that is public, I can't say what happened there, but it's really hard not to assume that it had something to do with Roger.
The fact that the indictment doesn't include any interactions between those dates is very I'm no legal scholar, but I'm positive that Mueller has those interactions.
And you can make your own conclusions about why they're not in there.
I mean, there was one point when Roger's emailing with a Trump person, someone in the administration or the campaign, and the person asks him, do you have any news about Assange or WikiLeaks?
By the end of December, Credico had second or third thoughts and decided he was going to talk to the FBI and the committee.
The timing here is interesting because by that point, Manafort and Rick Gates had been indicted and Michael Flynn had just pled guilty to cut a deal.
If you're Randy Credico and you're seeing all these people going down and you're mixed up with the guy who knows all of them, it's got to feel weird.
You're being vaguely threatened by the guy who knows all of them and, you know, the guy who knows all of them was also one of their lobbying partners for years when they worked with dictators.
That would not be a pleasant position to be in, and I would be like, yeah, I'm talking to the FBI now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You keep referencing the vaguely threatening things.
In perhaps my favorite part of this story, when Mother Jones was reporting on these emails back in May, they reached out for comment from Roger, and this paragraph is pure fucking gold.
Quote, In a text message to Mother Jones, Stone did not dispute sending this particular message to Credico, but he maintains he was not making a threat and contends that Credico is citing his words out of context.
Quote, quote, he told me he had terminal prostate cancer, Stone writes.
So once again, Roger just being like real fucking making everything up.
So this is a cut and dry case of witness intimidation and tampering.
Roger was clearly lying, or he was clearly trying to vaguely threaten Credico into pleading the Fifth, because he knew that if Credico didn't, Roger's testimony was going to be contradicted, and those contradictions would raise suspicions.
Those suspicions would be examined, the timeline would fall apart, and Jerome Corsi would come into play, something Roger never wanted to happen.
Roger intentionally lied to contradictions, Congress to cover up Corsi's involvement in all this, and then committed witness intimidation to make sure those lies weren't realized.
And based on everything I can tell from the charging document, he's dead to rights on this.
But here's the important thing to realize and why I told you this long-ass story.
Compulsive behaviors naturally trend towards forming a pattern.
Serial killers start to develop routine behaviors, and habitual liars do, too.
Given the information present, it would be a stretch for me to say that Roger Stone is guilty of deeper involvement in the DNC and Podesta hackings and the dissemination of the hacked materials.
But his behavior deeply suggests to me that he is.
His response to early suggestions that he was involved in any of this stuff followed literally the exact path that his denials of being the one who harassed Elliot Spitzer's dad went.
It's the exact same pattern.
First step, deny things aggressively.
Second step, lie as much as you can.
Third step, keep lying until people don't believe you anymore.
Fourth step, blame Randy Credico.
If you take Randy Credico out of the equation, this is also the exact pattern that Roger followed when he was forced to step down from a position in the 1996 Bob Dole campaign after he was accused of We all learn from our experiences as humans.
Generally speaking, we have a tendency to repeat successful behaviors.
In the case of the 2016 campaign and the propaganda campaign surrounding it, Roger replayed the behavior that got him out of trouble in 1996, 2007, and undoubtedly a ton of other times that we're not aware of.
In this case, though, it seems like the underlying crime was too big for his patsy just to laugh it off.
It'll lead to tons of contracts and other ways that we aren't as tied down as we now are because of crimes against the United States.
So I don't...
I don't know.
I think it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
We're recording this on Sunday, and already articles are starting to come out about Roger saying, like, look, if it turns out I know something, I'll talk to Mueller.
There's already indications that he's like, I'm going to get out of this.
If he doesn't cut a deal, I can't imagine the way he's carried himself throughout this entire last two and a half years or so, yelling about Miller every day on the radio, saying that he's guilty of treason and stuff like that.
I don't see any reason people would show lenience towards him.
I know that we kind of have slightly different feelings about whether or not Trump could pardon Roger, and I concede that he could, and everything is up for grabs nowadays in terms of what you can get away with.
Roger Stone was SWAT teamed raided in a disgusting act of police state theater by the now politicized arm of the deep state, the FBI, in a pre-dawn raid that CNN, of course, had been tipped off to with a reporter lying on TV like a Cheshire cat saying that he hadn't been.
Well, Roger Stone last night predicted to me, he said, I think they're coming for me tomorrow.
He said, I can just feel it.
I can see it.
All the preparation, everything.
And he sent me a text message saying they're preparing to move in for the kill.
And boy, was he right.
So Roger Stone exclusively joins us.
This is the first interview world exclusive right now.
He just bonded out about 30 minutes ago.
World exclusive.
Roger, thanks for joining us.
And you've got the floor, obviously, for this segment and the next.
I think you can get a sense there that Roger, not into this interview.
He's not Roger Stone, the character that we've come to know on Infowars as a flamboyant, calling Adam Schiff a cocksucker and screaming about how he's wronged by everybody.
I think the reality is set in, and lying is not so fun for him anymore, because...
Shit gets real, real quick when you're in shackles, I imagine.
They're having this world-exclusive interview, and Roger, in his next clip, is just basically reading a statement.
And spoiler alert, this is almost exactly the statement he reads when he ends up going out in front of the courthouse and talking to the gaggle of press that is out there.
So here is Alex's fantastic world premiere exclusive.
The idea that he predicted this is not that surprising.
Pretty recently, Mueller requested his testimony from the House Committee, and it's obvious that he knew he'd lied.
And so, obviously, if the investigator is requesting those documents, that means that they have reason to believe that this will provide them with the information they need to charge you.
Well, the important thing, I think, off the bat is that after a two-year investigation, None of these charges relate to Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration.
Just forget, oh, the person that I said was Randy Credico was actually Jerome Corsi, and I'm going to uniformly lie to cut Jerome Corsi out of this whole thing.
So, I don't know.
I understand that he probably thinks that this defense is going to work, but as an external observer, I don't think it's going to.
So, in this next clip, what we hear is that Alex is trying to boost Roger's press conference, talk about how awesome it is, but he still only seems to care that he got to talk to him before the press conference.
Ladies and gentlemen, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of reporters are queued up in Florida, outside the courthouse, trying to get an interview with Roger Stone.
Well, he's here exclusively, global exclusive, and he's going to make them wait while literally hundreds and hundreds more pile up.
So here in this next clip, we see the beginning of something that Alex is the only person talking about in the entire world, which leads me to believe that he's concerned about his own well-being in the aftermath of Roger getting indicted, but not just his own well-being, one of his family members as well.
And if the press doesn't circle the wagons and see how dangerous this is, it's insane.
And now, as you know, I've got Washington Times, Washington Post, AP, all these reports about witness and special counsel probe, former stone associate, collected payments from Infowars through job stone arranged.
I have my phone ringing off the hook saying, did you make the hush money?
Are you going to prison?
So now employing people and then giving them a severance pay that's in their contract, because that's what he wanted to work here.
He made a pretty good deal for himself.
But I had to let him go because I didn't like his writing anymore.
It just wasn't accurate.
Of course, he now admits, okay, it was severance pay.
Earlier, he was saying, actually, it was something else.
But the point is, they're now moving on to me and my father.
And my spidey sense tells me they mean to move on us to take InfoWars out and to take any support for the president out because they know we got President Trump elected.
I like the idea of all of these fuckfaces getting together and then AMLO has to be like, whoa, we've got a caravan of white people coming to the border.
There's a chance that Roger and Corsi were both pulling the wool over Alex's eyes in terms of their clearly documented interactions about talking to Assange.
Corsi, perhaps best known for promoting the false idea that former President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, has released internal special counsel documents, fulminated against alleged plea deal offers, and published a hastily written e-book outlining his account of interactions with his one-time ally, the longtime Trump advisor Roger Stone, the subject of intense scrutiny in the Mueller probe.
At the same time, Corsi says, he's been collecting what he describes as $15,000 a month in payments from InfoWars, a website that has attacked the Special Counsel investigation as a deep state conspiracy designed to topple President Trump.
An attorney for InfoWars confirmed that these payments continued for the past six months as severance since Corsi lost his post as the website's Washington Bureau chief, a job that Stone helped arrange, according to both Stone and Corsi.
The revelation of Corsi's arrangement with Infowars offers new context to the now frayed relationship between Corsi and Stone and how the on-again, off-again alliance between two of America's foremost conspiracy theorists has drawn the attention of Mueller's investigators.
It costs something later, and I think it's probably going to be a disaster.
I'll let you know after I read it.
Anyway, quote, Corsi said in an interview that he doesn't remember being asked by Mueller's investigators about those payments, but he added that his brain was a mush after 40 hours of questioning over several days, and he might have forgotten.
Quote, it's pretty far-fetched, Corsi said, of the notion he was paid to keep quiet.
I'm the guy who's talked the most.
I haven't been hushed about anything.
So, you know, quote, after the Washington Post made inquiries into the payments last week, Corsi said he learned from Alex Jones' father, David, that the payments would stop, according to a legal complaint Corsi filed this week against the Post.
So, it's unclear whether or not...
So, here.
Quote, an Infowars attorney disputed that, saying that Corsi was fired in June and paid the remainder of a one-year contract that ended this month.
His Infowars pay had already been scheduled to end this month, Infowars attorney Mark Randazza said.
So it's unclear.
I could believe either version of this story, quite frankly.
I know that Corsi's up to some shit, but none of this proves that that was hush money.
So, quote, Stone, Corsi, and Alex Jones all said that the InfoWars job and payments Corsi received after leaving are not related to Corsi's role in the Mueller probe.
Quote, I assisted him because he was constantly whining about being broke, Stone said in an interview.
Corsi declined to comment on Stone's characterization of his finances.
So, you know, this is real back-and-forth nonsense is what I would describe it.
So, it's interesting to me, too, because this article has some stuff that I don't know if I was aware of.
So, in terms of Roger and Corsi coming together, there's this sort of...
I didn't realize this, and I'm not sure if this is exactly true or if it's the public story, but...
Hear from this Greenwich Time article again.
Stone has previously told the Post that he became aware of the conspiracy theorist, Jerome Corsi, and conservative writer when Trump posed a question to him in 2011.
Who's this guy, Jerome Corsi?
When Stone asked Trump why he wanted to know about Corsi, Trump responded, quote, So then it goes on to say, quote, Stone and Corsi's relationship continued after Trump's victory.
Stone suggested they both go to work for InfoWars, Corsi said in an interview.
Rondaza, the InfoWars attorney, told the Post that Corsi was one of 15 people who Stone recommended to Jones as possible chiefs of the new Washington Bureau for the Conspiracy site.
Like I said, I don't know.
Even with this information from this Greenwich Time article, you get some interesting glimpses into the version of the story that people are presenting, but I can't suss the truth out about this.
I don't know what those payments were to Corsi.
I can't claim to.
It's an interesting thing that I think will develop as the two of them start shitting all over each other.
And now Corsi has indicated that he's willing to work with the probe, the Mueller probe.
So this could get really ugly and we might learn a lot more in the future.
And that's probably a pretty serious expense, maybe to the tune of maybe a couple hundred thousand a year, something like that, if he does get the traffic that he pretends he does, which we'll assume for this.
But, Roger, as you said, you're not going to be intimidated.
I'm very proud to know you.
I'm honored to know you.
You're fun to talk to every day.
You're a good friend of mine now that I've known you the last, I met you like five years ago, but I've gotten to know you the last three or three and a half.
And it's just an amazing thing that we're in together, my friend.
And so just talk about, again, the pre-dawn raid, your wife, what she's going through.
They don't want to look like bad guys for demonizing him.
So CNN reporter admits he was waiting outside Roger Stone's house an hour before the arrest.
He's still not picking up?
Well, this is just driving me absolutely crazy.
Well, at least we got the world exclusive, but he had a lot more to add and able to reach out to the president and tell the president what he thinks the president obviously needs to do.
I am completely screwed, and I need to in some way at least show, like, save myself a little bit, and InfoWars isn't going to fucking do it.
Alex has a lot of power in a small sector.
If you're not in trouble, you can pretend you're in a great amount of trouble, and it's a great cottage industry in order to make a ton of money, in order to raise your relative stature.
You can make your book a bestseller, probably, by enough insinuation in Alex's world, because it just is what it is.
I think the only thing that I'm really furious about is Roger needs, in order for his image to work properly, he needs one of those jokey voicemails that's like, hey, how are you doing?
As we learned when we went over Alex's 2015 path towards accepting Trump, it took him a while.
But the whole time he hated Hillary.
Alex would go on to accept Trump as his lord and savior around late December 2015, but by October, he'd recognize that Trump represented an amazing marketing opportunity.
So on October 15, 2015, he sent Joe Biggs out to the rally in Texas.
We have been able to basically weasel our way into the Hillary Clinton event.
And right now, as you can see, I have on my...
Hillary t-shirt, and I'm standing in front of this Stalin-like photo of Hillary Clinton.
It's very eerie.
I'm literally deep in the lion's den right now.
So I've got my Hillary for prison t-shirt on under here.
I'm going to release that later once she comes out and speaks and scream Hillary for prison and take this shirt off and then start screaming Hillary for prison.
The Independent has reported that Michael Stoker is credited with starting the chant at the Republican National Convention, but that is way after October 2015, and it's pretty easy to see how something that starts with Hillary for prison could be made more chantable as lock her up.
I can't find any references to the chant that predate this field report where Joe Biggs says he's going to get a Hillary for prison chant going, and he's kind of just doing it as an ad for this really cool shirt that he's got.
Rolling Stone was closest to capturing this.
Quote, You can hear the disembodied voice of far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones booming through downtown Cleveland from several blocks away.
Quote, So you can see even in that, it's demonstrative of this being a really good marketing opportunity for him.
Where he would give anyone $1,000 to wear an Infowars-branded Bill Clinton shirt on TV for at least five seconds, and you'd get $5,000 if you could be heard saying Bill Clinton is a rapist.
Naturally, this took off, and Infowarriors began interrupting news remotes and Democrats'speeches in hopes of getting a payout, or honestly, probably not even caring about the money.
Alex had provided a focused strategy and completely normalized the antisocial behavior they were longing to express.
In Alex's Bill Clinton contest sizzle reel, there's multiple clips of his listeners interrupting speeches at press conferences at Alex's own behest.
I would say that yelling lock him up at Rogers' press conference could be seen as, you know, being, like, rooted in the same antisocial impulse that those info warriors were engaging in.
But I think the context is different.
Yeah.
coming from a place that's closer to righteous indignation.
Off the dome, I think I would scream cut his dick off, but that's not really chantable.
I think that would be like after the chant has kind of died down, and you got that one guy who's trying to get it started up again, and he's just a little bit off, and he's just like, cut his dick off!
But as long as Alex presents it as this is the liberal media, the enemy of the people, the fake news media, they're all booing him in order to create the perception that he's a bad man and all this stuff.
I would ever consider this, but I will be goddamned if it wouldn't be the most satisfying thing if at a White House press briefing all of the reporters were just like, Boo!
I love the idea that he's trying to present that the media is trying to make him look like a guilty criminal when 20 seconds earlier he's complaining about Roger doing the Nixon, I'm not a crook sign.
I'm going to have a tough time spinning out of this.
And so, instead of dealing with anything, Alex gets, like, really fucking weird, trying to make a comparison about what the media is doing to Roger, and those FBI agents who SWAT teamed his house, how they're trying to make him look guilty.
He makes a comparison that none of us could have possibly expected, and it's about- Somali pirates!
In 2010, Rainbow Acres Farm was raided, in the culmination of a drawn-out sting operation.
The issue was not cheese.
It was the fact that Rainbow Acres sold tons of raw milk, which has been illegal to sell across state lines since 1984.
Within a state, rules about raw milk are left up to the state's discretion, but federal law prohibits interstate sales and for a good reason.
Raw milk is not pasteurized, and as such, there's no good protection against things like E. coli, salmonella, and the pathogens responsible for causing tuberculosis and typhoid.
In the Yep.
Rainbow Acres was selling a lot of raw milk outside of Pennsylvania.
A Lancaster Online article about the operation cites one example of Liz Reitzig, a woman from Maryland who paid over $6 a gallon for raw milk from Rainbow Acres.
And she was far from the only one.
This was a really large operation.
One of the ways that these farms try to get around the law is by doing what's known as a cow share program, where instead of buying actual raw milk, farms allow people to pay a certain amount for a stake in a claim on part of an actual living cow.
So they literally are 49ers!
It's kind of like that old saying, you need to buy the cow when you can't get the milk legally.
There was another farm in Pennsylvania called Amos Miller Farms that ran afoul of the raw milk laws also, but their case is even worse than Rainbow Acres, since they were only on the government's radar because they were definitively traced down as being the source of a listeria outbreak that killed at least one of their customers who lived in Florida, outside of state lines.
There was also Mark Nolt of the Nature Sunlight Farm in Pennsylvania who got arrested for flagrantly violating state regulations by publicly refusing to maintain a state raw milk permit and apparently also refused to allow routine testing of his cows for infectious diseases like TB.
He was also selling tons of products across state lines.
In an article about his arrest, it was said that he received a fine of $5,100, which is nothing.
He, like the other cases that we're talking about, we're running large operations.
These aren't little individual farmers being targeted by the feds.
It's mid-sized to large businesses who are being punished for breaking the law.
The Michigan case Alex is referring to is Family Farms Cooperative, which was a little bit of a smaller operation, but also sold raw milk outside of Michigan.
In March 2010, 12 of their customers reported getting sick after drinking the same Friday shipment from Family Farms milk.
Stool samples revealed the presence of Campylobacter, which indicates food poisoning.
None of the cases I can find of Amish busts in Pennsylvania match up with stories like the one Alex is telling.
In fact, all of them are cases where the people who got arrested were in fact breaking the law because it was more profitable for them.
Probably not the analogy Alex wanted to make about Roger, but it seems like it's kind of fitting.
It came out of nowhere, so there's no way to prepare.
It is the sort of thing where 15 years from now, based on how my life is going the last few years, it is one of those things like, I would love to be able to tell people I was there.
This is a little bit of a longer clip, but again, tracking the infuriate, like, how he's getting madder and madder throughout this next three minutes, I think is very important.
I don't think it's intuitive or very brilliant of Alex to predict that in an uncontrolled environment outside a courthouse, there's a decent chance that Roger's not going to be able to spin things as well as he does on the phone with him.
They asked about me in the grand jury for a year and a half.
They're trying to say if I pay employees that I'm involved in push money for your stupid Russia crap when it's Mueller and Hillary and you globalists that have the Russians up your rear ends.
So I'm a little wound up today, but we will get you, not a piece of Roger, the entire interview aired live in the next hour.
We're going to air it.
One, two, three, Swedish pie.
So you can hear what Roger Stone actually had to say in one of the biggest media frenzies, if not the biggest, the world's ever seen, where they piranha-like have no Russia collusion.
They're totally trying to set journalists up, ending all basic freedom in this country.
And they drowned him out where he can't even talk when he's got a giant press conference because they had Democratic operatives all looking at their phones saying, shut him up.
Don't let him talk when he comes out.
Don't let him have this giant crowd because they've all got to cover it.
What they wanted was him being booed and shut down.
And so he was in a big, disgusting coup for the deep state bastards.
Covering this all, witnessing it, watching it happen in slow motion, watching the public drool and not know what's going on.
But you know what?
I'm awake, and I'm here, and I'm covering it.
And I'm going to just say this right now.
You want the globalists to win.
They've already successfully basically stopped the expansion plans here at InfoWars.
That's a huge victory for them.
I'm not going to lie, that's their victory.
The lawsuits taking our sponsors, taking our platforms, harassing the living hell out of us, ahead of silencing us, which they failed to do, ahead of the coup de grace, taking Trump out and all those little establishment minions around him that they're lying to him.
They're going to flush them down the toilet as well.
So we're here as an emergency warning the public, exposing globalists of doing it.
I mean, you can see a deterioration there in terms of, like, he's just so pissed off that no one's giving him, except for Drudge, no one is giving him his, like, you got this, Alex, you got a world exclusive.
He's also probably pretty pissed off because as soon as he saw Roger speaking, he had to have recognized those are the same things he was saying when he was talking to Alex.
Alex is being treated like another outlet, not his best friend.
And I think Alex probably has to realize that means something on some level.
Now, Roger's still giving him lip service enough because he does show back up.
He sent Joe Biggs out to her rallies as early as October 2015 in an attempt to silence her, yelling Hillary for prison, making a big spectacle in the audience in order to derail her speeches in the same way that he is now complaining about people doing to Roger Stone.
That's silence us in the way that Alex is describing it.
Alex always talks about the Uranium One deal, which is bullshit.
He talks about Mueller on the tarmac with uranium, which is bullshit.
This is all stuff we've gone over.
He's trying to frame them for crimes.
Whether or not they've also committed other crimes, I'm not interested in talking about.
I'm positive they have.
That's irrelevant.
The things that Alex is specifically talking about are lies.
He's trying to frame them.
He's a huge supporter of...
And has made millions of dollars selling shirts and bumper stickers about sending Hillary to jail.
He's tried to silence her, frame her, and put her in jail.
This is literally what most of the Trump energy was about that Alex glommed onto throughout the entire 2016 election season.
It's something that Roger Stone was instrumental in helping create and helping perpetuate.
So Alex repeating this over and over again as if it's what's being done to him is bullshit.
It is his tactical strategy.
Now, what's happening to them is the consequence of other things they've done.
Because they can get away with that.
They can get away with all of their actions that they've done in terms of paying people to disrupt speeches, yelling Bill Clinton's a rapist or whatever.
That's fine.
That's not illegal.
That's fine.
Lying about Hillary Clinton selling off the uranium?
I mean, we can get to the bottom of it.
We can know what the truth is, but that's within your free speech to lie about it?
That's fine.
No big deal.
If she wants to press charges, maybe, but that would be probably too difficult for her and she knows who gives a shit?
I was in shackled, hand and foot, heavy metal shackles, and was taken to a holding cell with a group of other gentlemen, all of whom are African-American and all of whom were there for some drug-related charges.
Every one of them, by the way, supported the president.
I'm sure, I'm sure, like, I don't believe that happened because I don't believe Roger had that conversation.
Of course not.
Hey, let me pull the room, guys.
What do you think about Trump's new amendment?
But also, I mean, it's such bullshit because these are rules that have been in the process since Obama was in office.
Trump has just taken credit for them, Roger has given credit for them, and then pretending that he had a conversation with all of these wonderful black people in this holding cell that, oh boy, there's just so much there.
Maybe it's one of those things that it appears racist, then you look at it a little bit more and it appears like it's not, and then you look a little bit further and it's like, oh no, it is!
He's mad that when he got jammed, when the FBI showed up in the morning, He's like, hey man, if they just told me ahead of time I could have showed up in a suit, I could have showed up, I would have looked good.
I didn't have a chance to shower or any of that stuff.
He's mad about that.
He makes this complaint a number of times, and while he's making it this time, Alex's response is pretty funny and very bootlickery.
Well, look, it's funny to me that Alex is saying positive things about Alan Dershowitz for a number of reasons.
The first is that after Roger called to threaten Elliot Spitzer's dad, like we talked about, Dershowitz blasted Stone's involvement as evidence that the investigation was tainted from the start.
The investigation of Elliot Spitzer for corruption stuff and everything.
He said, quote, this whole story does not pass the smell test.
What others have done to Elliot Spitzer, Roger, is more serious than any crime Spitzer committed.
Dershowitz and Roger have a little bit of a history.
Also, fun fact, Donald Trump also shit all over Roger after he got caught harassing an 83-year-old man with Parkinson's, saying, quote, they caught Roger red-handed lying.
The other reason Alex shouldn't be into Dershowitz is that he's Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer who helped him cut a deal on those, you know, running an underage sex trafficking operation charges.
If that isn't enough to get Alex to not trust the guy, multiple girls who were Epstein's victims have gone on record to say that Epstein directed them to have sex with Alan Dershowitz.
The way Alex conveniently doesn't care about things like this should really drive home to anyone paying attention that he doesn't care about the exploitation of these children.
He only cares about using it as a blunt instrument to attack his political enemies with.
I'm not sure if that's been proven in court, but there are multiple of Epstein's victims who have said that they were directed to have sex with Alan Dershowitz.
The second piece about this is Roger's telling his sob story about how this fucking, the revelation of crimes he's committed is hurting his book sales and stuff like that.
There's an episode of his goddamn radio show that I was going to pull a clip of, but who gives a shit?
Where he's talking about the WikiLeaks stuff had just come out, and he's talking about the idea that Seth Rich was the person who gave Assange the documents.
And he's saying that I have it from a reputable back-channel source that Seth Rich was the person who gave Assange the documents.
And I would say, you know who else was saying that around that time?
Now, the other piece of it, though, is that as he's talking about this stuff, he goes into a little bit of a diatribe about how, like, oh, Podesta is saying that I knew about it ahead of time because I tweeted about how his time in the barrel was coming and stuff like that.
And he's like, oh, well, you know what's really great about this is that I've been able to go on TV a bunch, and that's been great for my book sales.
This sort of situation, and also exploit the murder of somebody to sort of further your political conspiratorial bullshit, and you're going to be like, help my book sales!
I'm not going to feel any sympathy for you when you complain about, I don't have any money now!
He's one of those dudes that I think, like, if you ever hear stories about the children of old school pro wrestlers who had to keep kayfabe, you know, like them being like, their dad would fake an injury and then to be at home faking an injury.
I know you're ages four and nine, but the first thing I need to tell you, and I wish I could have told you when you came out of the womb, never Google me!
We told everybody they were going to try to frame my dad for hush money because Corsi signed a contract where he'd get paid out unless it was for cause.
So to be nice, we paid out the last six months of his contract.
It was for cause, though, because Alex is saying that his writing sucked and he wasn't living up to his obligation.
So his contract could not have been paid out.
But again, I...
The quote from Alex Jones' dad that was in that article was about, like, we decided to pay him out based on considerations and the fact that he's been a guest for so many years.
That just so happens the end of January, that's when it was signed two years ago, so it's written every year, and I've got my phone ringing off the hook like, are you going to jail next for your hush money?
So now, paying your reporters is hush money.
I mean, these people are going for broke, but put them on the defense.
They're in Uranium One, hundreds of millions from the Russians, Mueller at tarmacs, Uranium.
So I think that there's a lot of people out there who are probably, even before we put this episode out and as they're listening to it, they want more answers about the Corsi business.
Because I think this is a really big piece of the Stone indictment.
But unfortunately, I regret to say we can't offer much on that, but I do think we will be able to soon.
As soon as that information is available and we can digest some of it, I assure you, we will do a Corsi episode in much the same way as we're doing a Roger episode now.
Although I don't think Alex will even talk about it if Corsi turns south.
If he goes state's evidence, state's property, like Beanie Siegel.
Yeah, he texted me and he was like, hey, Linkle's a pretty cool character.
I agree, Roger.
So, I didn't, like, when I woke up, I was kind of overwhelmed by the amount of people messaging me about this, which I think is cool and I appreciate it.
Don't get me wrong.
But then my immediate first thought was like, if I'm Alex right now...
It took me an hour or so to make an egg sandwich and process and just get my bearings about me.
I started to think, it's 10?
Alex knows that in an hour he's got to get on air.
He knows that right now.
As I'm sitting here eating this sandwich, Alex knows he has to get on air.
And secondarily, Alex knows everybody is tuning in.
Alex knows that he's kicked off YouTube and stuff like that.
He can still broadcast.
He can still live stream all this shit.
He knows that all eyes are on him.
There is no way that people aren't going to be like, how's Alex going to fucking do that?
So Alex is still mad that no one's giving him credit for the world exclusive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think we made this point when we were on the great Behind the Bastards podcast with Robert Evans.
The idea that Alex is real bad with numbers.
I don't believe those specific numbers, but I believe the trends behind them.
The idea that he had massively elevated traffic from people wanting to see what is Alex going to do?
Is he going to kill himself all night?
I know that probably some people had that impulse.
I thought it was going to be like...
He's going to pull out a triple Lindy.
It's going to be the most amazing, obfuscating, excuse-making thing I've ever seen in my life.
I was watching live, and I know that from our group, Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant, there was at least a number of our policy wonk folk who don't generally watch, who were like, I gotta tune in today.
And if you take that as a small sample, there probably was thousands and thousands more people who were like, oh boy, here we go.
Not nearly as high as he's saying, but all that stuff does make sense.
And it brings into focus why he's more restrained at the beginning of the show, because he realizes there are a lot of people listening, watching, they have an expectation, I'm going to freak out, keep it together, and then also explains why him and Roger keep asking people for money.
Because there's so many more people, there's a better chance that some of them are going to give you money.
I don't really either, because I just use a flat rate hosting service.
But from what I understand...
If you host something somewhere, like if you have a server and you host something somewhere, and there's tons and tons of people downloading it, the price just goes up as the traffic goes up.
In order for the server to handle that amount of traffic.
I wanted to know if he was related to Richard Nixon, seeing as Roger was so connected to Richard Nixon, but it doesn't look like he is, at least not closely.
Richard Nixon had two daughters, and neither of them has a kid named Tyler, and both took their husband's names when they got married, Cox and Eisenhower, respectively.
That's right, Nixon's daughter married Eisenhower's grandson, so it's cool.
Everybody's great in America.
There's no sort of powered elite that intermarried.
This is a problem, because it means that if Credico was not the intermediary, which he wasn't, then Tyler is making up information that he told Mueller about Credico, indicating that he was Roger's go-between.
And that means Tyler Nixon is in trouble, too.
lawyer trying to help his client, this is a man who realizes that he fell into the same perjury trap his client did, and on some level has to realize that his fate may be entwined Which is...
It might not have been Tyler's primary motivation to do this, but the end result is covering up Jerome Corsi's involvement with Roger Stone early on vis-a-vis the WikiLeaks interactions.
And even beyond that, what he did was introduce new information, because he said that he witnessed Credico saying that he was the go-between, which isn't...
Like, it's one thing to say, Roger told me this, or whatever.
It's another to introduce new pieces of information that are specific lies.
Yeah, yeah.
So, in that case...
I mean, who knows?
I don't think that he's telling the truth.
And I don't think anything Roger is saying is true, based on my knowledge of Roger Stone.
So Tyler Nixon doesn't, much like that sort of backstory being how he got hired, he doesn't comport himself on this show as any kind of a professional.
He's just throwing around the globalists are coming.
Deployed on Roger Stone, who would be just the first, I'm sure, if these people have their way, would make Lavrenti, Beria, and Stalin, and Himmler, and the rest of them embarrassed or proud, let's just say, proud as far as...
Whatever is going on right now is well within the abilities of Stalin, Himmler, and anybody else they referenced.
This is pathetic levels of exaggeration.
It's radicalization of what they perceive to be what's happening to them in order to convince the audience that the situation is so much more dire than it is.
Because they need their money.
They want their fucking money.
It's just constantly give Roger Stone legal defense money.
It's going to be a lot of work for nothing, and my name is going to be drawn into this.
My reputation will be completely fucking destroyed.
In terms of Alex, I think that there are just like...
His resources are thin.
And in the same way that you talk about the idea that this is just cha-ching, billable hours, you also have to recognize that what you're doing, the possibility is you're going to be defending Alex Jones in court against Sandy Hook victims' families.
And the optics of that are never good.
And if you're...
Talking as a human, you know that Alex is guilty of those things.
Whether or not it's provable in a court of law is another issue.
But you know that spiritually...
He did do that shit.
So it's one of those things that you're only going to be able to get the sleaziest fucking people.
It's an indication, I think, that you have come to a point where you're willing to pay way more than you need to because no one else will take you on as a client, and you're trying a Hail Mary free speech type pass.
And it's going to get very, very fucked up as it goes along.
Like, I...
When I was listening to this on Friday, I thought the first hour was a disaster and super boring.
And we've gone over it in terms of Roger's bland statements, his boilerplate defense on Alex's show.
I thought the dynamic of Alex being pissed off that no one recognized the exclusive stuff, pretty interesting, but I didn't think there was a full episode out of that.
And then it got towards the mid to end of the show, and Alex gets...
So unbelievably weird in the way that you would have expected him to come into the show with.
There are people that are either for the country or against it.
If you don't know that every Democrat group says America sucks and needs to go away, and it was never great, and it'll never be great, and they have chants that we're not cherry-picking.
You think I go to some women's march in Austin funded by Soros or L.A. or D.C.?
I've been to all of them.
Or I've seen my reporter's footage.
You think I feel good when I go, oh great, the main march was America's going down.
Well, I mean, he also just refuses to engage with the actual arguments that these people are making.
Right.
America won't be great until we get to X point, you know, when we have, you know, just enough equality among people and we deal with issues realistically.
Our deeply, deeply racist history of slavery that pivoted and transitioned and was probably, to some extent, made worse by convict leasing programs that became the prison system.
We have people openly saying they hate America, funded by chai comms that have killed five times what Hitler did.
And then all we're trying to do is stabilize the country and defend our people.
Watch the pivot.
And then we're attacked by a bunch of scum that's involved with the Russians and the Chinese and everybody else.
And it doesn't scare me for myself.
I'm not scared of Mueller.
I'm scared that I'm not strong enough and I didn't do a good enough job to make sure that a goddamn pedophile army of devil worshippers, and I don't mean that in the Lord's name of vain, I mean they're damned to hell, didn't get control of our country.
And that more people don't realize how serious this is and how they're planting false flags and how they're doing all this and how they're trying to destroy the very essence of a nation existing.
I don't want to be the guy crying, oh my god, they've got me.
I just want listeners to know that one problem is we're too confident on one end, but if I wanted to really go up and shoot the bat signal out, we need to be flooded with money.
24 and a half has gotten mad at some of the things I've said or done, but when she learned they're trying to indict my dad to make up stuff, man, she just said, we're good people, we love God, and you just get out there and kick their ass and be strong.
Whatever Roger said, you know, like, yeah, sure, he talked to Trump, but he's been someone who's been an advisor for so many people, and this has nothing to do with Trump, no big deal, whatever.
I mean, based on what I know from his testimony, like, he did get questioned by Mueller, and from everything I can tell from public statements, from that indictment, from things that Credico has said, like, I mean, whatever he said does contradict Yeah.
I think he could, like, in situations like this, I think that a lot of, like, lower-rung people probably are going to get a pass.
I think he might be able to, in terms of, like, this is inconsequential.
Maybe a tiny piece of information that was gleaned from your questioning has helped us figure out X, Y, or Z. But, like, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't think anybody gives a fuck if Tyler Nixon goes to prison.
We're organic, bringing in $45 million a year now.
That was five years ago, $20-something million.
We started bringing in $45 million.
Now I've got $20 million to work with.
After all the bandwidth taxes, I mean, today it'll be hundreds of thousands of dollars in bandwidth.
We're so gigantic right now.
That person doesn't buy anything.
Fine.
So then I end up with a few million, pay it to lawyers, have nothing, and I'm like, well, I could sell my house and fund the place another three months.
But when Alex just does his own commercials, he has one where he's just doing a real fucking weird Turbo Force commercial, where he's like, listen, when you...
If you take this the first time, take a quarter of it, because it's fucking weird.
That's like a podcast that's famous where they're like, well, we don't have a sponsor for this little bit right now, but it would be nice if you continued listening to this show.
On another level, it's incredibly sad that Alex constantly talks about how fuck these social media platforms, I don't care that I'm off them, and then does a commercial of...
So we get back to this and Alex says something about how much of a pussy Donald Trump is and how his whole administration is full of dumb cucks and also he needs money.
Stone, New Credit Co., and a bunch of others, you know, he works the media.
He was trying to get a hold of him.
I remember saying, Roger!
Get Assange or you interview him.
It would be bigger.
Well, I hear it's really big.
I hear all this.
I was there.
He was asking for a job.
And I said, you get me Julian Assange exclusive.
You've got your job.
And back then, he was a Fox News contributor.
Paid $50,000 a year.
He didn't want to make a big deal out of that.
They've got hundreds of people on the payroll as a contributor.
As soon as he worked for us, he lost his job at Fox.
But I was hiring a Fox News contributor.
You know, of course he used to work and write for Lou Dobbs at CNN.
I'm getting the big-wig anti-globalist guys hired.
They turn that into this criminal thing we're involved in, and it's just like plastic banana, fake baloney BS world.
But what I'm getting at is we don't take it serious because we know it's not true, but then it happens, and 29 SWAT team people attack the house to make it look like it's legitimate.
And now, Roger's confident now, but my God, next week he gets arraigned, like Manafort a year ago, a year and a half ago, walking into that federal courthouse and never coming out again, man, except in a damn wheelchair.
So, you know, we're talking here, folks, about real persecution.
And if they, this is a test, like a parrot test of perch, you know, put its beak on it, see if it can stand on its weight.
If America fails this test, if Trump and Sarah Huckabee Sanders fails this test, They failed his test.
We're done.
So I'm a big Trump booster.
Helped get him in.
I think he's a great guy.
But right now, I'm two by four upside the head saying, listen, get in gear, honcho.
You know, this idea of these globalists and all this stuff.
Like, when you really break it down and you start to parse what he's talking about, you look at the documents that he references and you realize, like, those don't say what he's saying.
You look at, like, the things that are formative to him.
And not, like, the modern Russian state can't be blamed for that.
No, absolutely not.
But, like, you start to recognize that, and you start to think about it.
It's like...
That's where Alex got the conception of these imagined enemies that he's so afraid of.
And you start to look at it a little bit, and I might be reaching a little bit too much, and I know I try to practice radical empathy with Alex because I think it's the only way to approach him.
Deal with exactly the things he's saying on a literal basis.
You deal with insanity by bringing acceptance of that insanity and then analysis of that insanity.
If you respond with anger and be like, ah, look at this fucking asshole and get mad, you're never going to get anywhere.
You dismiss it, you're also never going to get anywhere.
So when I hear stuff like this, I recognize what he's saying, and I try to hear what he's saying, and I hear that.
I hear there are these demonic, weird enemies that I have that are based on this misunderstanding of history that was based on all these books.
And when I sit with it a little bit longer and I hear a clip like that where Alex says, I am motivated by fear.
Again, as much as that sleep apnea, brain damage stuff, I'm not letting him off the hook for his ideas.
Just possibly his behavior is explained by that.
You look at this and you think the brain of a child could be very traumatized by the idea of this demonic world force that's against you.
And they have tendrils everywhere.
The idea of a 12-year-old mind taking in this, none dare call it conspiracy, where it's like every single powerful entity is working against you and they want to commit genocide and all that stuff.
There's a really decent chance that that book...
Fucked his mind up, and he's been living in, like, a PTSD kind of state since.
And he's still doing the exact same voice he's doing in that weird esoteric breakdown when he gets into, like, you have to give us support financially.
It's now.
The battle is now.
And so, I know, I break myself away from any kind of ethical ideas about, like, I don't know, just in any way feeling sorry for him.
Because when you see stuff like that, you don't...
There's nothing that is not intentional about how he's using his fucked up-ness.
I don't think that there's anything wrong about you and I taking time out of our day to wrestle with the possibility that we're wrong in mocking him.
I was thinking, the whole time that clip was going on, I was getting back to this, like, we've done this so many times where you've listened to him, and this is his talent.
His talent is truly, even while we have spent two years dissecting all the dumb fuck shit that he has said and proving that this is intentional, while I was listening to that clip, I was kind of halfway into this place of like, what do you really believe?
Is this all?
What is you?
What is you?
And then it's like, hey, we need your financial support.
And then as the show goes on, he loses a ton of the fucking audience because they're like, he's not really even talking about any Roger stuff.
This isn't really that interesting.
and he gets into an existential crisis, starts talking about God, gets into this weird fucking place where he says that he speaks for God and InfoWars is an outpost for God and he's going to get into the enemy's mind, but it's so painful, but it's really just a way to continue what he's been doing the whole show, which is try and get people to give him more money.
The things that even just in Zaire and in the Philippines, even just those, you get into the specifics of what those people were doing that were contracted by their firm.
It's unspeakable stuff.
Like Ferdinand Marcos, he legitimately had a policy in place where what he would like to do is he would take people and then he would disfigure them.
He would disfigure them and kill them and then leave their bodies.
This is what happens.
Roger Stone and his firm still were fine taking their money.
So the point that I'm making here with this sort of like real distillation of the brutality of people Roger Stone is comfortable working with and Manafort is that those dudes have ice water in their fucking veins.
Like they will protect their ass as best they can.
But when it comes down to it, if they're in a courtroom or Mueller is talking to them, they have faced down people who have murdered thousands of people.
They have some experience with that high pressure situation.
Like, back when he worked for fucking Nixon's re-election campaign, he's like sending invitations to Democrats to a fake dinner to be like, aha, prank.
It's too late in the episode to say this, but yeah.
I've made this point a number of times.
Be careful with even our show.
The rhetoric that Alex employs is so toxic that even with context and all that, and humor, it's still, if you listen to too much of it, it will be painful.