Today, Dan and Jordan discuss how Alex Jones decided to cover the idea that Donald Trump was threatening to declare a national emergency in order to get his wall made. In a turn of events that will surprise no one, it all turns out being a very racist affair, where Alex makes it way too obvious that he really, really wants to serve a dictator.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
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Indeed we are. | |
| Dan? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Hi. | ||
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You ever play Super Mario, the RPG? | |
| Legend of the Seven Stars? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| I know I played Paper Mario. | ||
| No, not the same one. | ||
| I didn't play the original one. | ||
| This is the SNES one. | ||
| Didn't play that, but I played the shit out of the Thousand Year Door and that next one after that. | ||
| Super Paper Mario, maybe? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I never played the Paper Mario Wii U. I don't know. | ||
| Are those RPGs? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| They're fun as hell. | ||
| But then it fell apart. | ||
| The Paper Mario series fell the fuck apart. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| The Wii U one involved paint. | ||
| It got torn in half. | ||
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Yes. | |
| There we go. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It got crumpled up and thrown in the garbage. | ||
| It was just not all that fun. | ||
| As I recall, the Paper Mario one about the paint. | ||
| You have a hammer and you go around and it has paint in it and you hit things and you recolor the world. | ||
| It just was not fun. | ||
| It got very tedious. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all. | ||
| But the Thousand Year Door was super fun. | ||
| It was really good. | ||
| Liked it a lot. | ||
| I don't know what else to tell you. | ||
| I liked it a lot. | ||
| I've heard good things about the Seven Stars, but I haven't played it. | ||
| I've probably played that game like 15 times, and there's the Awesome Games Done Quick marathon going on right now. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Which is a... | ||
| It's like a massive... | ||
| Speed run kind of thing? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's all about donations to a nonprofit in the states that does all the cancer research. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| So I've been watching. | ||
| I've literally been watching a guy play Super Mario for the past two hours. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| And it's fucking amazing. | ||
| He's so good at a game that I was okay at. | ||
| And it's an RPG. | ||
| There's something gratifying about watching people play something you've played very fast. | ||
| I don't know why, but it is... | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's a good game. | ||
| It's nice to reflect on that. | ||
| I told you before the show I've started playing Hollow Knight, which I'm super into. | ||
| Thank you to my buddy Matt Crane for the recommendation on that one. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I'm not good at it, but I like it. | ||
| End up wandering around places for a good two hours like, where the fuck am I supposed to go? | ||
| Still, the art and the music of it is just delightful. | ||
| Gameplay is fun. | ||
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Fantastic. | |
| This is now a video game podcast. | ||
| I think it might as well be. | ||
| We were on Twitch for a while. | ||
| No, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| It's been an interesting week here on the podcast with a Bill Cooper episode on Monday and a wacky Wednesday. | ||
| John Waterman, not Dr. Waterman. | ||
| Not a Dr. John Waterman. | ||
| Episode on Wednesday. | ||
| But now it is time for us to come back to Alex Jones and the world of InfoWars. | ||
| And today what we're going to be going over is a little bit of a snapshot of the life of Alex Jones in 2018. | ||
| Sorry, 2019. | ||
| Heh heh, checks. | ||
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There we go. | |
| We're gonna be going over January 8th, 2019. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| His show, and then his live broadcast that he did that evening when Trump was giving his speech from the Oval Office. | ||
| Okay, now historically, when we've gone over a show, and then there's a live broadcast immediately after that, that live broadcast is drunken and angry. | ||
| He's a... | ||
| He seems a little drunk, but don't get your hopes too far up on that. | ||
| It doesn't go four ways to learn or anything like that. | ||
| But he is a little bit unhinged, and it'll be interesting to look at. | ||
| But first, we have to give a shout-out. | ||
| Don't have to. | ||
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| Were you trying to say Christopher Dobbin? | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| We appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| So, Ian, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much, Ian. | ||
| Thank you very much, Ian. | ||
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| Now, we get to our business at hand. | ||
| And one of the reasons why I was a little bit reluctant to do any Alex Jones content this week was because, like I told you off-air, the 2009 stuff hit a little bit of a snag. | ||
| There was a little bit of boredom on Alex's part back then in our chronology, and so I didn't want to get into that. | ||
| And then at the same time, there was all this talk on... | ||
| Trump's part and in that world, that sphere, about the idea of Trump declaring a national emergency in order to get the wall made. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I knew that that was going to play out in a particular way, but I didn't know exactly how it was going to play out. | ||
| I kind of got the sense that all of this was much ado about nothing and people were getting all worked up and it was going to be... | ||
| You know, kind of disappointing. | ||
| It was going to be a dud. | ||
| That was kind of the sense I got, but I didn't want to cover it until we actually had content to go over. | ||
| And so January 8th is Tuesday's show. | ||
| There's no way we could have done that before this episode. | ||
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Of course not. | |
| And so when I checked in on the 2nd, I found Alex in a very fucked up mood. | ||
| This mood is... | ||
| I mean, it's vintage Alex Jones, but it's pretty fucked up to be seeing this. | ||
| And we'll get to all that, but first, here's an Out of Context drop from today's show. | ||
| Gavin Newsom, ladies and gentlemen, you better believe is it. | ||
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He is the devil. | |
| Okay. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Gavin Newsom is the devil. | ||
| So it is bad in this situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He is it. | ||
| He is the great Satan. | ||
| Gavin Newsom! | ||
| I wouldn't have bet on that. | ||
| I would not have bet on him. | ||
| A little bit of a surprise. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| But that's a good bet. | ||
| Now that I think about it in retrospect, you never would have guessed that it was the devil. | ||
| His reasoning is that he's slick and that sort of thing and an up-and-comer in the democratic world, and he thinks he's going to be the one who they try and unseat Trump with. | ||
| And so that's why he's labeling the devil. | ||
| Gavin Newsom is the one. | ||
| That is a weird pick. | ||
| Strange bet on Alex's part, but we'll see how it plays. | ||
| I'll give that 50 to 1 odds. | ||
| So, like I said, Alex is in a weird mood. | ||
| He knows that Trump is going to be giving a speech that night. | ||
| And Alex, in this first clip, he starts his show very clearly indicating that he knows what Trump is going to do. | ||
| Quite a time to be alive, my friends. | ||
| Trump's going to declare a national emergency tonight. | ||
| It's already been declared privately. | ||
| And the globalist... | ||
| Are crapping themselves both publicly but also the looks on their faces. | ||
| It's as if they're being let up before a firing squad. | ||
| Here's an important breakdown. | ||
| When we come back from break, I'm going to lay out tomorrow's news today. | ||
| Stay with us, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| So he is making it very clear. | ||
| That Trump is going to declare a state of emergency. | ||
| He knows it. | ||
| It's been going on behind the scenes already. | ||
| He fucking knows it's going to be made official tonight. | ||
| All the globalists are crapping themselves, and Alex is pumped. | ||
| Now, there are some contradictions in Alex's historic rhetoric that are being demonstrated here. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Can you think of one? | ||
| I want us to put a pin in that until we get through this, because I think there's a greater conversation we can have about that later. | ||
| That I think we'd be doing a disservice if we jump the gun on it. | ||
| But anyone listening, we are not not noticing that. | ||
| It's very obvious that it's weird for Alex Jones to be excited about a president declaring a national emergency. | ||
| So you're saying that Alex Jones is... | ||
| Super excited about the President of the United States declaring a national emergency in order to circumvent the other branches of government taking unilateral action to achieve a goal. | ||
| It seems weird. | ||
| It seems odd. | ||
| It seems like it's counter to a lot of his stated beliefs about the power of the executive and what have you. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| But you should understand that it's coming from a deep place in Alex's heart, and I think it's a place where he thinks the end is coming. | ||
| The end of his personal struggles, the end of his turmoil, his battles. | ||
| In many ways, I believe, listening to this episode, that Alex thinks that once Trump declares the state of emergency, it's game over for the globalists. | ||
| And finally, Alex Jones will not have to do this anymore. | ||
| So here is a clip that really leads me towards that. | ||
| And the joy is a God-fearing person to feel the Holy Spirit smiling over what you do. | ||
| Closer to God than ever. | ||
| And that makes the global get so upset. | ||
| Oh, he's going to commit suicide. | ||
| He's close to God. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| No, we just think you're weird. | ||
| And crazy. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| My cells, my genetics, who I am, my ancestral memories. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Intellectually, what I understand is just... | ||
| Little. | ||
| My cells. | ||
| To none. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| This is what we're supposed to do. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| Hired in a kite. | ||
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Hired in a kite. | |
| Because there's been a total shift in just the last month across the planet. | ||
| He's talking about Bolsonaro. | ||
| And now everything we've talked about and everything we've done is going to now just become mainstream. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| So that humanity has a choice of what decision they want to make, to be seduced by the globalists and by the high-tech gadgetry of the Antichrist or God. | ||
| I didn't know the Antichrist was famous for high-tech gadgetry. | ||
| And then we go into the plunge down the road. | ||
| This is the preparation for that. | ||
| Get some air before you get sucked under. | ||
| But then we're going to pop back up on the other side, and that's the victory. | ||
| Like a gopher. | ||
| And it's all proceeding according to God's plan. | ||
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So... | |
| This is pretty fucked up. | ||
| It feels a little apocalyptic in many ways. | ||
| It feels very apocalyptic. | ||
| It feels like he's saying we're getting our bearings together for what will be the grand final battle between us and the globalists. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the people who are on our side are people like Bolsonaro in Brazil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's a little weird for me, quite frankly, to come to this place now. | ||
| Having as much of an understanding of Alex's path through... | ||
| Like, it all makes total sense, but it's also so weird that this is how it's shaken out. | ||
| It's disappointing. | ||
| Yeah, it's really, really bad. | ||
| Especially with Bolsonaro having as much power as he does right now. | ||
| Like, it's really... | ||
| Something that everybody should be aware of. | ||
| Right now, Bolsonaro is going to do more damage to the climate than I think any single person could possibly do. | ||
| It'll be a disaster. | ||
| No, I mean, if he... | ||
| Well, once he... | ||
| It declares open season on the Brazilian rainforest being cut down. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| We're never going back. | ||
| It's a very undoable sort of thing. | ||
| That's one of the major concerns and the human rights questions are deeply important. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's just wild to me, man. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Final battle's coming, at least. | ||
| Final battle. | ||
| I mean, it's the time for the angels and demons, the globalists and, I guess, us. | ||
| Or them. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Or who. | ||
| So, what you failing to recognize when you look at the conception of this final battle that Alex is envisioning is that no matter what happens, Trump wins. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Let me tell you what Trump's up to. | ||
| What if he loses? | ||
| He's already declared a national emergency. | ||
| He's going to officially do it. | ||
| Tonight. | ||
| And there's a bargaining chip of where, oh, if you just capitulate to what I want and build the wall, it'll be such a stinging defeat for the Democrats, Trump won't openly announce the emergency. | ||
| So there's a little bit of nuance in the parlance of the nomenclature and the symbolism, but either way, Trump wins by taking action. | ||
| The enemy came and sued for peace two years ago when he won and then lied the whole time and said, we'll work with you. | ||
| Just don't destroy us. | ||
| And then he just can't believe, like, you won't be destroyed. | ||
| You're criminals. | ||
| You'll still have your wealth. | ||
| And you still want to screw the country over because you've got some spiritual hard-on to defeat it? | ||
| Trump's not aligned with the devil, folks. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Trump's not aligned with the devil? | ||
| Not aligned with the devil. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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I don't understand. | |
| Exactly what effect declaring a national emergency privately has. | ||
| I declare a national emergency privately between you and me. | ||
| It's already been declared. | ||
| You don't have the power of the executive. | ||
| Yeah, but you have to then use that power in order for it. | ||
| You can't privately declare. | ||
| Trump can't privately be like, taxes are free now. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It's sort of in the same bundle as the QAnon secret indictments and stuff like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But what Alex is trying to convey is the idea that privately he's been like, we're going to do this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| in order to try and bring the Democrats to heel or whatever. | ||
| And then when they don't, he's going to tonight, on January 8th, openly declare the state of emergency. | ||
| Be like, "I tried to let you guys just do this on your own." That's what Alex is bringing to the table. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And because the Democrats won't go along with him and build that wall, Oh, God. | |
| He's going to declare this national emergency in order to build the wall, and Alex is fucking pumped about it. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| Is Alex super pumped about the years-long legal challenges that are going to come from this national emergency declaration? | ||
| No, I'll tell you what he's pumped about. | ||
| The eminent domain that's going to be involved in terms of the government seizing a bunch of people's property. | ||
| Private citizens having the government seize their property? | ||
| That's great! | ||
| Alex doesn't have a long history of being against eminent domain. | ||
| Look, this is all whack. | ||
| It's all very whack. | ||
| But what I have to insist is at this point on this episode, so much of this is not about politics at all in terms of what he's bringing to the table. | ||
| There's a deeply religious feel to it. | ||
| Whether it's talking about this sort of Armageddon-esque battle we're getting air in our lungs to prepare for, or this next clip where he just can't, like, he can't stop quoting country songs in order to demonstrate. | ||
| The mentally ill, narcissistic... | ||
| Fruit Loops. | ||
| Are being told to fill their hand politically. | ||
| And they can't stand the fact that they can't scare us and they can't make us run. | ||
| It's like the old redneck anthem. | ||
| Country boy can't survive. | ||
| Because they can't starve us out and they can't make us run. | ||
| Because these old boys were raised with shotguns. | ||
| We say grace. | ||
| We say amen. | ||
| And if you ain't into that, we don't give a damn. | ||
| Which is saying we're not hypocrite Pharisees. | ||
| We'll take the Lord's name in vain when we get angry, but we'll die for God. | ||
| Isn't that hypocritical? | ||
| Because we're not perfect, but we're aligned with God. | ||
| Anyone who breaks my commandments. | ||
| We sure as hell know the devil. | ||
| Keith Whitley says, I fought with the devil, got down his level, but I never gave in, so he gave up on me. | ||
| Another song. | ||
| That's why I know the devil. | ||
| I know the devil well. | ||
| Save a horse. | ||
| Ride a cowboy. | ||
| Beer for my horses. | ||
| Yeah, I just, it's a weird mental state. | ||
| And I'm playing some of these clips that seem like a little bit dumb, a little bit to demonstrate this mindset that he's in. | ||
| He's in a very sincere mindset that is, tonight, it's going down. | ||
| I gotta talk about the end of the road. | ||
| I've got to talk about how right we are with God. | ||
| And granted, he does touch on those topics quite a bit. | ||
| It's not out of the ordinary, but the amount of it, the extent that he's being very apocalyptic, very religious. | ||
| The first half hour or so of this show even went by, and I was like, there is nothing here but preaching. | ||
| This is almost a televangelist kind of thing. | ||
| Did he just start the episode with just like, Seventh seal shall be broken! | ||
| Once Trump speaks from the Oval Office. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, it has that feel to it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it makes it all the more scary that it also includes him saying shit like this. | ||
| In fact, I'm not scared of the globalists. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| I'm scared of overheating and getting too aggressive and just being as wise as a serpent and peaceful as a dove until God executes vengeance through us. | ||
| Through us? | ||
| And the time for vengeance is not yet. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| What? | ||
| But the time of vengeance will come. | ||
| And vengeance is right. | ||
| Vengeance is good. | ||
| Sayeth the Lord! | ||
| Vengeance against the evil. | ||
| It's mine! | ||
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And they know, already know, they're going to fail. | |
| That's why we're going to claw as many of our children as they can. | ||
| Because children don't know and they're weak. | ||
| There's no one to defend them. | ||
| So these weak demons can just drag our children. | ||
| But you know, God spares their children's souls. | ||
| That's good. | ||
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Is? | |
| I guess? | ||
| I don't like his God. | ||
| I'm gonna go to break then. | ||
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When we come back, I'm gonna try to get to the news and break down what's about to happen, bud. | |
| Good luck. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| This is fucked up. | ||
| He is weird. | ||
| I mean, on the one hand, I'm super glad that the time for vengeance isn't now. | ||
| That is a relief. | ||
| But it does imply that the time is fast approaching. | ||
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And... | |
| It comes through him. | ||
| And it will come through us. | ||
| Alex Jones is a righteous vessel of vengeance that the Lord is going to demonstrate against his perceived enemies. | ||
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They're not even real enemies, quite frankly. | |
| Hillary Clinton mentioned him once in a speech. | ||
| I really wish somebody would get him a Bible with large prints so maybe he can read it. | ||
| Because he seems... | ||
| Very uninterested in what the Bible says. | ||
| I would love it if there was a Bible that was rewritten to sound like country lyrics. | ||
| Then maybe he might start to get some of the lessons that are contained therein. | ||
| But it does go back to... | ||
| Alex has a very weird... | ||
| I don't think it's fair to call mainstream. | ||
| I also don't think it's fair to call it any sect that I'm really even aware of. | ||
| There are touches of Gnosticism in there. | ||
| There's touches of overemphasis of the Old Testament. | ||
| Which isn't bad. | ||
| It's not wrong to subscribe to the Old Testament. | ||
| It's just weird if you're a Christian because of the New Testament aspect. | ||
| The entire point of the Christian in your moniker. | ||
| So, it's strange. | ||
| I don't understand, but it's a bad place. | ||
| So at this point in the episode, Alex announces that he's going to cover Trump's speech live, which at this point had been sort of unclear. | ||
| And he makes it clear also that he knows what's going to happen. | ||
| I made the decision yesterday afternoon. | ||
| Obviously, we're going to cover President Trump's live Oval Office speech at 8 p.m. Central. | ||
| 9 p.m. Eastern, 7 p.m. Mountain, 6 p.m. Pacific. | ||
| Trump declares national emergency to save America. | ||
| So there'll be an hour break from the war room, and then you just go to Infowars.com forward slash show, or the main page, you'll see live coverage of that. | ||
| And I'm asking all listeners to go to Infowars.com and Newswars.com. | ||
| I'm going to ask Paul, and I'm going to ask Millie Weaver and others, because I'm banned on Twitter. | ||
| To tweet this image out so you can retweet it, so that people know that is coming up tonight. | ||
| Because we did predict it, we did lay it out, and it's going to happen. | ||
| You thought that was going to be an ad pivot, probably. | ||
| I really did! | ||
| Yeah, the way he was playing with the paper and talking about go to a website and stuff, now it was just, I'm banned on Twitter, so other people got to do this for me. | ||
| And also, it's clear, he's saying it repeatedly. | ||
| We know this is going to happen, we predicted it, all that stuff. | ||
| Yeah, as somebody who lives in tomorrow's news today... | ||
| You're going to be real disappointed, Alex. | ||
| Knowing what we know, we know it didn't happen. | ||
| No. | ||
| But it's interesting. | ||
| It is important to focus on this. | ||
| This is Alex's editorial position entirely. | ||
| This is going to happen tonight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have predicted it absolutely going to happen tonight. | ||
| And we're going to be there covering it. | ||
| So he starts yelling about some dumb shit, and then he says this. | ||
| You hate America. | ||
| It's who you are. | ||
| The night circuit ruled American flags are hate symbols and can't be in schools. | ||
| That's an old one. | ||
| San Francisco doesn't like the American flag. | ||
| The enemy doesn't like your flag. | ||
| It's pretty damn obvious. | ||
| Couldn't be more obvious. | ||
| It's more obvious than the nose on our faces. | ||
| And we just try to debate them or, oh, let's not say anything. | ||
| The media's enemy operations, you better be attacked by these trash or you're not doing your damn job. | ||
| They literally... | ||
| They don't just lie. | ||
| They organize the lying. | ||
| They put out the talking points and they regurgitate lie upon lie upon lie. | ||
| Briefly, to find our operation plus your great products, we have three products that in the new year are 50% off. | ||
| Oh my god, what a sale. | ||
| Almost identical to your old sale. | ||
| Oh, is the Christmas sale still going on? | ||
| Yeah, I think under a different name. | ||
| We have the 1,000 days of Christmas sale going on well into the next three years. | ||
| Still just trying to clear out that warehouse of his old products so he can shift entirely to Jeunesse stuff. | ||
| But look, the thing here is that the Ninth Circuit, that's an old lie. | ||
| It's fun to see that come back up. | ||
| For anyone who hasn't heard the episode where we covered that in depth, the situation was about Cinco de Mayo. | ||
| And people, white kids at that school, intentionally wearing American flags in order to... | ||
| It wasn't Cinco de Mayo, was it? | ||
| I don't recall exactly, but it was... | ||
| The story was white kids were being racist as fuck. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They were wearing it to antagonize Mexican students. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's evidenced by fights that they antagonized. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Instigated. | ||
| And so the court case went that the school has the right to not allow... | ||
| People to wear certain, like, any kind of flags on days like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They have the right to, it doesn't inhibit the students' free speech or whatever other rights they have. | ||
| No, it's exactly like saying you can't wear gang colors. | ||
| Like, when you're co-opting the American flag to be a group of people... | ||
| Who want to commit violence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a gang symbol now. | ||
| To an extent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not an outright ban of the American flag or anything like that. | ||
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Of course not. | |
| But Alex is using it as that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that's the first thing from that clip that's important. | ||
| The second thing is what you hear there is Alex demonizing the Ninth Circuit with a lie, which is him complaining about the judiciary, complaining about the courts and how they're really bad. | ||
| Then he talks about the media. | ||
| And how the media is really bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hold on to those thoughts. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| They might come back up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, at this point, Alex starts complaining about how Mark Dice has been thrown off Facebook. | ||
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We were fighting the apocalypse! | |
| Yeah, it seems like a petty little move there. | ||
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That's a step down! | |
| Way down. | ||
| Way down. | ||
| The ladder of importance. | ||
| Hierarchy of importance. | ||
| The final battle between good and evil, between the angels and the demons, between the globalists and the patriots, has come upon us. | ||
| And by the way... | ||
| Why aren't you letting Mark Dice back on Facebook? | ||
| Honestly, I think that what happened is that this falls in one of the, every hour he has like five minutes that don't go out on the radio. | ||
| Remember we talked about this? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because of like station identification on like some Tuscaloosa channel or whatever. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So he has that no man's land where it doesn't matter what he plays. | ||
| It's not going out on the radio. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so I think he buries like John Bowne's reports there. | ||
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Good. | |
| And he plays this report by Mark Dice. | ||
| In one of those no-man's lands. | ||
| But it's really important, and what's going on here, there's an interesting story behind it, and Mark Dice is being a complete jackass, and he deserves everything that came to him. | ||
| So Alex is saying that he got thrown off Facebook because of something that was deemed racist. | ||
| Now here's a little taste of Mark Dice's report. | ||
| Facebook blocked me out of my account for seven days and censored this post because I simply stated the fact that the only reason that the story about the seven-year-old girl who was tragically shot and killed in Houston went viral is because the suspect initially was white. | ||
| So every Black Lives Matter activist on social media started tweeting about this terrible white terrorist who killed this poor innocent girl. | ||
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Only it turns out that the murderer was actually a black man. | |
| By now, they've all forgotten her name and don't even remember that the incident happened. | ||
| Her name is Centoya Brown. | ||
| No, Jasmine. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
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That was a different... | |
| Ah, damn it! | ||
| Two different cases. | ||
| Centoya was out! | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| It's actually Jasmine Barnes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, I was talking about the... | ||
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Oh, fuck. | |
| I'm an idiot. | ||
| So, look, dude, here's the thing. | ||
| First of all, I've not watched much of Mark Dice's reports. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because why would I? | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| And I accidentally watched some of this, and it's crazy, man. | ||
| His delivery is insane. | ||
| He looks like a lunatic, and he's constantly, not twitching, but doing weird movements while he's delivering these lines. | ||
| Just listening to the audio doesn't really do its service. | ||
| He seems like a lunatic while he's doing this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know what it is. | ||
| There's some sort of aesthetic style that he's going for. | ||
| Maybe he knows that him just sitting still isn't good for YouTube or something like that. | ||
| No one's going to be entertained by his dumb face. | ||
| So he moves around a lot in a spasmatic way, and it's very distracting. | ||
| But anyway, I watched Mark Dice's video, and suffice it to say, it deserves every label it's getting. | ||
| It is racist. | ||
| It's inflammatory. | ||
| And it's just a pile of shit from a quality standpoint. | ||
| Alex is playing this report saying that he's been kicked off Facebook. | ||
| But in the video, as we just heard, Mark just says that he got suspended for a short time. | ||
| Like, he just got a little time out. | ||
| So what I want to say is that these fucking snowflakes need to stop exaggerating their oppression. | ||
| Number one. | ||
| And here's the real point I want to make. | ||
| Mark's chief complaint seems to be that these Black Lives Matter SJWs were only interested in this story because they thought it was a chance to attack white people. | ||
| But the same is true of Mark Dice. | ||
| He's only interested in this story because it gives him an opportunity to defend white people and attack black people. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| Are you saying there's some sort of irony to it? | ||
| His only point is exactly what he's complaining about in these supposed other people, which is weird. | ||
| It seems like a bad starting point for your editorial position, but whatever. | ||
| Also, an added problem is he has no idea what he's talking about. | ||
| Seven-year-old Jasmine Barnes was killed in a drive-by shooting, and the family initially said the suspect was a white man in a red truck. | ||
| This turned out not to be accurate, as first-hand accounts often are, and officials from the Sheriff's Department have gone on record saying that they believe that there was a red truck at the scene, and this was a case of sincere mistaken identity, and it was nothing suspicious. | ||
| Also, two men were arrested for the killing, not one, as Mark is suggesting. | ||
| Also, Black Lives Matter activists didn't just blindly blame white people and then forget the story when the narrative didn't fit. | ||
| That's what InfoWars does. | ||
| In reality, Sean King, one of the leading figures of the Black Lives Matter movement, is literally responsible for tipping off the police that the shooters were Larry Woodruff and Eric Black Jr., not a white guy in a red truck. | ||
| Do you understand what I'm saying? | ||
| Because what I'm saying is that a prominent figure in the Black Lives Matter movement went out of his way in order to help police find the actual killers because he cared about the truth, not just scoring points making white people look bad. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| It's very interesting. | ||
| No, he stopped caring once they found it. | ||
| So, if I understand the story correctly, Sean King received a tip from one of his confidential sources, and because of that tip, he found out that it was two black men, and so he, of course, sat on it and never told anybody, and instead... | ||
| Cover up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? | ||
| That's what he did. | ||
| Now, the case is a little complicated, because after a mugshot was released of the original suspect... | ||
| Sean King posted a picture of a man who looked almost identically like the mugshot and asked followers for more information on him if they had any. | ||
| This absolutely led to some unmerited attention and probable harassment, definite harassment, being placed upon this man, being directed towards him. | ||
| But it also literally led to the tip that solved the case. | ||
| As Sean put it, quote, I don't quite know what that means or how I feel about it, but the initial outrage, misguided as it was, is what eventually helped us find the killers. | ||
| So, if you're a white supremacist outlet like InfoWars, Mark Dice, or The Daily Caller, you can focus on the part where Sean initially posted a picture of the wrong person and made a mistake in good faith, and just ignore the later part where he followed through, righted the wrong, and acknowledged that the initial assumption of the case was inaccurate. | ||
| It's all a game these assholes are playing. | ||
| They simply don't give a fuck about what's true. | ||
| And people didn't forget about the story or that this happened. | ||
| Jasmine's funeral was on Wednesday, and from all reports, it was packed to the rafters. | ||
| Plus, no one who was upset about this when the suspect was white is now okay with it because the suspect is black. | ||
| The people who organized Justice for Jasmine, the rally in Houston, they aren't just calling it off now that there isn't a race angle to it. | ||
| What's going on here, and what Alex is putting forth in his defense of Mark, is deeply troubling. | ||
| Because later in the video, Mark starts throwing around some statistics about shootings and how it's all black people doing. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Alex starts doing some more of that, too, in defense of Mark. | ||
| The statistics version of saying the N-word, essentially. | ||
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Somewhat. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They're just throwing out statistics with no context that are solely meant to create a fear of black people. | ||
| We've gone over the murder stats and the manipulations people like Alex can do to make them show whatever he wants to fit his worldview. | ||
| So I think it would be redundant to rehash that now. | ||
| But just a small example of it. | ||
| In 2017, the FBI's data shows that only 61% of murders were even cleared with an arrest. | ||
| So whenever you talk about these numbers of the people that they do have in custody... | ||
| You kind of have to also ask yourself the question of, is it possible that harsher targeted policing towards African Americans and black people are responsible for them being overrepresented in the arrests when 39% of murders aren't even cleared in a given year? | ||
| So what you're saying... | ||
| I'm just saying there's other issues. | ||
| Is that it's entirely possible that they catch so many black people... | ||
| Because they're only looking for black people. | ||
| I'm not saying that that's the case, but it is a piece of the conversation that is necessary to have. | ||
| And there's even more that we don't need to get into. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| I'm not making that generalization as all of them, but that is absolutely a... | ||
| It plays a factor. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| When you want to have a conversation about these things, those are important pieces to bring into it as opposed to just being like... | ||
| Blacks kill so many more people and all this stuff. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| So, that being said, I have some murder statistics I'd like to share with you that Alex and Mark Dice have no interest in covering. | ||
| As of January 6th of this year, there have been six mass shootings in the United States, leaving seven people dead and 23 injured. | ||
| In less than a week. | ||
| That does not feel good. | ||
| Also, according to FBI's data, I think there's a more meaningful number to look at in terms of comparisons among groups, and that's between men and women in terms of committing these acts of violence. | ||
| Because there's a large gap between different races and ethnicities in terms of representation just in sheer bulk numbers in the population, whereas it's fairly close. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| 51%, 49% or whatever it is. | ||
| And the FBI isn't cool enough to have breakdowns in terms of different gender identities. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And all that stuff. | ||
| The numbers that we have are... | ||
| But it's closer than these other barometers in terms of a one-to-one division. | ||
| A representative sample that can be used to make conclusions. | ||
| In 2017, there were 1,932 women who were the victims of homicide. | ||
| Of them, 1,733 were killed by men. | ||
| That's 90% approximately. | ||
| Conversely, of the 4,862 men who were the victims of homicide, only 515 were killed by women, which is about 10%. | ||
| This is a statistically very important piece of information that's very relevant. | ||
| Again... | ||
| This loops back to the six mass shootings already in 2019. | ||
| While most of them are still being investigated and information hasn't been made public, at least one of them is definitively a domestic violence situation where a man killed his wife and 12-year-old child then himself, which is unfortunately a tragic pattern that we see play out over and over again. | ||
| And that, in turn, loops back to Larry Woodruff, the man arrested for shooting Jasmine Barnes, who had prior arrests for assaulting a family member and pled guilty in 2017 to trying to choke a woman he was dating. | ||
| The more pressing conversation to have about murders in this country are there about errant masculinity and access to guns. | ||
| The rest of it is irrelevant shadow puppetry people like Mark Dice and Alex Jones use to justify their deep-seated racism. | ||
| Slam the book shut. | ||
| I am so grateful. | ||
| It was because we've had that conversation in the past where they're pulling out some race bullshit. | ||
| And so what winds up happening is we're like, okay, well, fine. | ||
| If you want to play the race bullshit game, great. | ||
| Here's all the bud that goes against your... | ||
| But this isn't that. | ||
| No. | ||
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That's not what this is. | |
| You have absolutely... | ||
| It has nothing to do with their bullshit. | ||
| It's fucking dudes. | ||
| Well, yeah, it's a certain subset of dudes, but if you look at it just from a statistical point of view, you have to wrestle with the fact that almost all murders of women are done by men, and a very slim number of murders of men are done by women. | ||
| So what we need to do is convince women to start killing more men. | ||
| Or we need to go like that, Bennett. | ||
| Girl and get women to carry AK-47s everywhere. | ||
| You know what? | ||
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If only women get guns, I think that would be okay for a while. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| My whole point about this is that they're having the wrong conversation intentionally. | ||
| It's on a very surface level funny to point out that Mark Dice is complaining about these supposed people only caring about this because they can demonize white people while he's trying to demonize black people. | ||
| Then when you get behind it a little bit, you see that every piece of it is hypocritical. | ||
| Every single piece of it is just fucking stupid. | ||
| They're not reporting the facts. | ||
| they're basing wild assertions and misrepresenting statistics. | ||
| And that's the game that InfoWars plays because they are a white supremacist outlet. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And that is what they're trying to reinforce. | |
| Of course. | ||
| Now, we're done with Mark Dice. | ||
| May he rest in peace. | ||
| got an update. | ||
| David Knight had heart surgery. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| And he's getting much better. | ||
| So glad to hear it. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| But he has a mandatory suspension from Alex. | ||
| He says he won't let him come back to work for a month because he doesn't Being overstressed or something like that. | ||
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You know what? | |
| That's actually the best. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| That's the best HR move. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| We've got to give it up to his dad. | ||
| We've got to give it up to his dad on that one. | ||
| Don't give Alex too much credit there. | ||
| But it is cool. | ||
| Of all the things we wanted to talk shit on him about, the idea of him being like, you can't come back to work. | ||
| Heal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty great. | ||
| That's a solid move. | ||
| We appreciate that as a way to treat your workers. | ||
| We stand with labor even if that labor is fucking racist as shit. | ||
| And boring. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, speaking of boring, seemingly fairly not cool with race people, Alex then brings in Mike Adams of NaturalNews.com. | ||
| He is a real dick, and it seems to me, if I had to guess, most of Alex Jones' Let's be really interested in Trump declaring a national emergency thing. | ||
| I think a lot of it relies on articles that Mike Adams has written. | ||
| I think he's done the legwork on a lot of this, and Alex is just thrilled that he doesn't have to do too much work and he can push Mike Adams' ideas to the forefront. | ||
| And I'm taking that mostly from this appearance, where Mike Adams says some profoundly dumb shit and is not only... | ||
| In favor of a national emergency being called, he outright is calling for an authoritarian coup. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I am going to go... | ||
| I'm really going to take a hard... | ||
| This is a hot take. | ||
| I think that's a bad idea. | ||
| And we should not do that. | ||
| I'm with you on that. | ||
| I have reasons for it, but I really don't feel like I should need to give any reasons for that. | ||
| I'm with you on that, but what you should know... | ||
| What should I know? | ||
| ...is that Mike Adams isn't just coming to this half-cocked. | ||
| He's not coming in here and just saying, Trump is great, therefore he should be our dictator. | ||
| Oh, does he have a really good reason for it? | ||
| It turns out he doesn't. | ||
| But he tries to make a justification and rationalization in this next clip. | ||
| President Trump, he has to use every power of the executive in order to defeat the deep state, or we lose America. | ||
| You know, those people who said, well, he shouldn't invoke a national emergency, he shouldn't declare martial law, all these criticisms. | ||
| I'm not saying he should declare martial law, but he should use the powers of the national emergency to defend America against those who are attempting to destroy it. | ||
| They've taken us into lawless martial law and rebellion, and now we're here. | ||
| Let's stop denying it. | ||
| So this is going to be sort of the way that they get around the complaints that we were making at the beginning of the episode as being hypocritical. | ||
| They're going to now introduce the idea, we are already in martial law, we are already in this state, therefore Trump needs to declare this national emergency, start kicking people's asses in order to undo all of the stuff that's been done already. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So if I understand correctly... | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| It's a good line. | ||
| Their argument is... | ||
| We've already been in martial law, baby! | ||
| So he better declare martial law! | ||
| Now, they're sort of reluctant to point out where martial law started or explain why they haven't been saying that every day since it started. | ||
| It seems like that would be really important to them. | ||
| If they knew that martial law had been going on already for a long time, they should have talked about it a lot by now. | ||
| Instead, they just sort of have been in that state where it's like, they're gonna do it. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So it's weird now to retcon all that and be like, well, no, it's actually always been going on. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Mike tries. | ||
| Mike Adams tries to pinpoint the beginning of this. | ||
| And it's not good. | ||
| It is not a good argument. | ||
| Also, this clip starts out really fucking funny. | ||
| Mike Adams does his research. | ||
| Obama had the most draconian executive order ever, that under the Defense Authorization Act, he funded that executive order with billions to take down Trump and Infowars, and Tucker Carlson and everybody, and it's hiding in plain view the executive order that Trump must declare his new emergency to override it. | ||
| Explain to people. | ||
| Crucially, Alex, let me repeat it again. | ||
| It's March 16, 2012. | ||
| I've linked to it in the article that I just posted a few minutes ago. | ||
| It's called the National Defense Resources Preparedness Order. | ||
| It's on whitehouse.gov. | ||
| You can read it. | ||
| And importantly, Alex, in that order, in the opening paragraph, Barack Obama invokes... | ||
| Himself as the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, indicating that he had planned to use military force to seize control over all resources in the country. | ||
| It's already on the books. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| I thought he just was. | ||
| A month later, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs went to the White House and said, we're going to remove you if you don't back off of this and backing Al-Qaeda. | ||
| Mike Adams has done his research. | ||
| You're getting the absolute truth right now, folks. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, Obama wrote down his literal title. | ||
| So you know he's gonna... | ||
| That's interesting, and we'll get to that here in a second. | ||
| But first things first, Mike Adams doesn't do his research. | ||
| He spends most of his time doing things like lying about science on naturalnews.com and setting up hogwatch.com to harass David Hogg and the other survivors of the Parkland shooting. | ||
| Mike Adams is a know-nothing piece of shit of the highest order, and I can't say that strongly enough. | ||
| This guy is the worst. | ||
| Now, as for that executive order, it's number 13603. | ||
| We can dispense with the idea that Obama released it in order to declare martial law by... | ||
| All we need to do to understand what this executive order is about is to realize that it was just an updating of Bill Clinton's Executive Order 12919 from 1994. | ||
| And even that was really just a refinement of the Defense Production Act of 1950, which Harry Truman pushed in order to help assure that the United States had access to necessary materials for defense, like aluminum and steel, as the Korean War was getting started. | ||
| But even that was really just an extension of Executive Order 8248, signed in 1939 by FDR. | ||
| This is all just stuff that is fine-tuned and refined over the years. | ||
| So we've been in martial law since the 30s? | ||
| That's the wrong way to look at it. | ||
| That is exactly what you just said right there, Dan. | ||
| That is exactly what you just said right there. | ||
| The fucking executive branch is now seizing the means of production. | ||
| Jordan does his research. | ||
| That's what I would say to that. | ||
| Acts of government are almost always either building upon something that a predecessor did or tearing down something that a predecessor did. | ||
| Like the American government. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There are very few things that are just outright introductions of wild new ideas. | ||
| This is all Obama's executive order was. | ||
| It was a necessary update of Bill Clinton's executive order, and it's really easy to understand why the old executive order needed an update. | ||
| The Department of Homeland Security did not exist in 1994, and FEMA existed as an independent agency at the time. | ||
| Due to reorganizations, some of the language needed to be fixed in order to reflect the changes in government bureaucracy. | ||
| That's almost all of the changes that were made by Obama's executive order. | ||
| It was just clarifying these things that were very different than they were, what would it have been, 20 years, no, 18 years earlier? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| 22 years earlier. | ||
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| Yeah, than 2012. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So in response to that... | ||
| 20 years earlier, nope. | ||
| In response to that, in response to the updating of language to include these organizations that were previously not included, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, of course, went to Obama and said, we will overthrow you unless you do this. | ||
| And then he just didn't, and they didn't. | ||
| Yeah, that's all nonsense. | ||
| It's all nonsense. | ||
| That's patriot lore. | ||
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| Mike's dumb bullshit about Obama evoking that he's the commander-in-chief, it's proof that he's going to bring the military into this, is complete nonsense. | ||
| First of all, the order actually begins by saying, quote, By the authority vested in me as the president by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Defense Production Act of 1950, And as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, it's hereby ordered as follows. | ||
| So, Mike clearly read the paragraph to see the Commander-in-Chief part, but how did he miss the Constitution and the laws part? | ||
| How did he miss the part where he explains that this is in relation to the Defense Production Act of 1950? | ||
| Is he really skimming that poorly, or is he... | ||
| Oh, no, no, it's because Obama's black. | ||
| It's obvious that this is intentional. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, he's intentionally misleading people. | ||
| If they understood, oh, well, this is just really an extension of the, oh, let's go read the Defense Production Act of 1950 so we can understand where all this comes from. | ||
| Boring! | ||
| Obama's black! | ||
| I hate him! | ||
| So, in reality, this executive order and its predecessors serve an important role in making sure that the various departments within the government are conscious of what may be required in an emergency and are empowered by the act and these executive orders to enter contracts to make sure that the country has access to those materials that are needed. | ||
| Beyond that, because of the sum of the language in the bill that's about spending, it's been used consistently since the 1980s to fund research into emerging technologies and independent research that has led to some very important breakthroughs. | ||
| Oh, and just because Alex and Mike are complete fucking idiots, it should be pointed out that on June 13, 2017, Trump already evoked the Defense Production Act in order to shift funding towards strengthening the, quote, space industrial base, a year before announcing, Is that because he declared martial law in the 30s and then Trump... | ||
| Finally, seizing upon martial law, decided that we needed a space force. | ||
| I really don't understand what it is the fuck that they're doing. | ||
| All of the stuff that they're talking about, like Trump has already used this act that is the foundational underpinning of this executive order that really just changes a couple pieces of language because the goddamn Homeland Security Department didn't exist in 1994. | ||
| Motherfuckers. | ||
| So even Trump knows more about this than these two fucking clowns. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| So that is the... | ||
| Executive order that they're talking about as being evidence of Obama setting all this up and putting us into a state of emergency and martial law that Trump needs to declare his emergency in order to undo. | ||
| I don't know what good that would do, but it sounds good to patriots. | ||
| This national emergency I hereby declare in order to stop the declaration of a national emergency. | ||
| And if nobody's going to do it, I'm going to do it my fucking self. | ||
| Because as everybody knows, when an executive uses a truly insane amount of power... | ||
| He often does so in order to give the power back to the people, Dan. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Historically, that's always been the case, right? | ||
| We've seen a lot of it. | ||
| Oh, so many times. | ||
| So much. | ||
| The executive, like, with so many kings. | ||
| I remember them, like, dissolving parliaments. | ||
| You remember when they dissolved parliaments? | ||
| It's almost always, like, voluntary. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I can't think of a single instance of someone sort of trying to create that appearance of that being what they're going to do and then going bad. | ||
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| I think I can come up with a few examples of that. | ||
| I think that's what populism is. | ||
| I think I just defined populism. | ||
| So, look, it's a lot of bullshit, but this is what Alex believes and what he's putting forth and bringing to the table. | ||
| And so then they talk a little bit more about this, and you should make a real good note of this. | ||
| They don't have more to talk about. | ||
| They really don't. | ||
| They insinuate that they do, but they were specific about that executive order. | ||
| Now watch how vaguely they talk about everything else. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, Obama signed a group of executive orders in 2012, 2013, 14, 15, 16. Which ones? | ||
| Setting up a national emergency and having the Pentagon over America. | ||
| Globalists in control of the Pentagon and 17 intelligence agencies. | ||
| Those actions are still in place and operating, and only under law can another executive order or national emergency erase those. | ||
| How? | ||
| Using action one? | ||
| Belligerence. | ||
| And Mike Adams, who's been on top of this and myself calling for this all to be exposed, is here with us. | ||
| Executive order, national defense, resources preparedness, March 16, 2012. | ||
| Here's the statement. | ||
| Obama put the United States... | ||
| Under martial law in 2012. | ||
| That statement is written by Mike Adams. | ||
| That's not a statement that should carry any other weight than this is the guy I'm talking to. | ||
| He implies that it's some sort of an actual statement from a think tank or some sort of researcher. | ||
| It's Mike fucking Adams. | ||
| He ran hogwatch.com. | ||
| Mike Adams is a researcher. | ||
| I know because Alex Jones said that he's a researcher, which is why Alex Jones... | ||
| I cite him as a researcher. | ||
| A little circular, but I get you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Makes perfect sense. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| Like, it's just madness. | ||
| Because in that clip that we just played, you can even hear Alex expressing a mentality that you really don't like to hear that seems to imply in order to fight back against a dictatorship, we must create a dictator. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| That is the best he's got right now. | ||
| And that, to me... | ||
| Everybody knows that in order to fight against a dictatorship, one that of course is imaginary, you need to create a real dictatorship because that way you can defeat the imaginary one and we know which dictatorship is better. | ||
| The real one. | ||
| Remember how great dictatorships are as compared to fake dictatorships? | ||
| Real dictatorships are really awesome if they're doing the horrible things you want done. | ||
| It seems like a lot of people like that, though. | ||
| So there is that. | ||
| So in this next clip, Mike explains that we were put under this martial law in 2012, but it was done for a specific reason. | ||
| They didn't think that history was going to go the way it does. | ||
| And then pay close attention to what Mike is describing as what he wants to happen. | ||
| Because I can't tell you how fucked up it is to hear an adult say this. | ||
| All of these powers that Obama invoked and laid out in executive orders were intended to be handed to President Hillary Clinton. | ||
| This was the plan. | ||
| And Hillary Clinton, let's recall, had a plan in place and a list of people to arrest, which includes you and myself as well. | ||
| You weren't on that list. | ||
| You'd never be on anyone's list, Mike. | ||
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The person who even insinuated that he wanted to jail his fucking political opponents was the fucking guy you support! | |
| What is wrong with you? | ||
| And 90%, I would say higher than that, of this country have no fucking idea who Mike Adams is. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I would say 99.99. | ||
| These snowflakes really need to stop exaggerating their oppression. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We were all supposed to be arrested and shut down. | ||
| When Trump won the presidency, it threw that entire plan. | ||
| It's a total chaos, but also it inadvertently handed these powers to President Trump, who has been reluctant to use these powers that Obama had intended for Hillary Clinton to use. | ||
| So understand, the deep state under Obama accidentally gave President Trump the power to destroy the deep state. | ||
| This is why they are so terrified. | ||
| This is what it's all about. | ||
| Trump only needs to invoke these powers that are already on the books. | ||
| He can root out the deep state. | ||
| He can arrest and indict the traitors who are operating inside government, inside universities that have become terrorist recruitment centers, the traitors, the mayors, the governors who are running these illegal sanctuary cities. | ||
| They need to be investigated. | ||
| Trump has the power to do this, and he must invoke this power in order to defeat the deep state. | ||
| And then restore true liberty and national security to our country. | ||
| That's what we are demanding, and I think that's the path that Trump is following now. | ||
| That is a perfect description of... | ||
| A pogrom? | ||
| I mean, it's so insane that... | ||
| People would, especially people who have made a cottage industry out of being like the paranoid guys, be like, what we need is a strong executive evoking emergency powers in order to root out ideas we don't like in universities, traitors in the military. | ||
| It's just, he's describing authoritarianism. | ||
| He's describing a creation of a fascist state. | ||
| So that was a great idea, though, when Chairman Mao did it. | ||
| It was an awesome idea when Erdogan did it. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| We're going to get to that. | ||
| No, that was great. | ||
| How many other times has this happened? | ||
| It's always worked out really well for everybody involved, right? | ||
| Oh, you know who else did a great job of doing it? | ||
| That Stalin cat. | ||
| Look, Hitler. | ||
| Your point's made. | ||
| Is it made? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Would you like me to give... | ||
| 300 more fucking examples to Mike fucking the child idiot Adams? | ||
| It's nuts to hear something like that. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Especially after all this apocalyptic nonsense from Alex earlier and saying the time for vengeance is coming. | ||
| These things being juxtaposed and being put forth on this show are really fucking scary. | ||
| Because it's not... | ||
| This isn't kid stuff. | ||
| This is an adult who has a platform. | ||
| Legitimately being like, they're openly encouraging an authoritarian coup at this point. | ||
| And they're expressing that they're going to be wildly disappointed if that doesn't happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're demanding it. | ||
| And that is not a good sign. | ||
| Up to this point... | ||
| All I've heard is it's okay if we get the go-ahead to kill all of our political enemies. | ||
| And we'll know that because Trump will be speaking, like God will be speaking through him when he tells us to. | ||
| Of course, which makes it okay according to the Bible. | ||
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Totally. | |
| So that is the start. | ||
| And then the finish is we're going to do this in order to set up an authoritarian fascist rule. | ||
| But that'll go away and we'll have a utopia afterwards after we get all the browns out. | ||
| I really don't think that's how it works. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| They're not even being that explicit, but that's what's behind this. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, it's all a crisis that they're manufacturing about this idea of illegal immigrants coming in. | ||
| That's what's behind all of this. | ||
| That's what's making them justify this stuff, which is another really important piece. | ||
| But before we get into that, we need to really take a look. | ||
| Into the abyss and see how bad these ideas Mike Adams is espousing on the show really are. | ||
| Because in this next clip, he says something that's insanely bad. | ||
| It's the appropriate role of the military. | ||
| It's a constitutional role for the military to defend the borders. | ||
| And also, by the way, Alex, you know, posse comitatus, it prevents the military from acting as police on the streets of America, but it does not prevent military police from pursuing... | ||
| Enemy combatants and domestic enemies of America who are on American soil. | ||
| Military police can be dispatched to arrest and seek out treasonous traitors, war criminals, enemy combatants who are on U.S. soil. | ||
| There is no restriction against that. | ||
| Let's just keep all of this in mind, because America is under attack. | ||
| So it's under attack, man. | ||
| Military police operating on U.S. soil and domestic law enforcement would 100% be against the Posse Comitatus Act. | ||
| No two ways about that. | ||
| Unless it was a Coast Guard and it was a maritime crime. | ||
| There's a small loophole for that. | ||
| What Mike is advocating for is literally how dictators shore up power. | ||
| We've seen it 100 times. | ||
| Simple example that you brought up earlier, after his staged coup in January 2016, Turkish President Erdogan called in the military police to round up his perceived enemies. | ||
| Within nine months, 110,000 people had been detained, and approximately 50,000 of them were arrested. | ||
| Whoa, that totally wasn't a fake coup, Dan. | ||
| That totally wasn't a fake manufactured coup that Ian created. | ||
| That was a real coup, and of course, it just so happened that hundreds of thousands of people who were his political enemies got caught up. | ||
| Of that 110,000 people, 7,463 of them were members of the military. | ||
| Over 10,000 were police officers. | ||
| 2,575 were prosecutors or judges who Erdogan disagreed with, some even reportedly members of the Supreme Court. | ||
| 2,708 were journalists. | ||
| 179 media outlets were shut down between the staged coup and the end of 2016. | ||
| The reason this is important is that these people who were the targets of Erdogan's crackdown are precisely the people Alex and Mike are saying Trump needs to go after. | ||
| The entrenched globalists in the military and police forces. | ||
| The globalist judges in the Ninth Circuit who won't let you have a flag. | ||
| All the mainstream media figures who are enemies of the American people. | ||
| In a very real sense, I mean this with no exaggeration, irony, or humor, Alex Jones and his cohorts have now embraced calling for an outright authoritarian coup under the stewardship of their hero, Donald Trump. | ||
| This is a very different and much more severe situation than we saw even a few weeks ago. | ||
| And the massive escalation of this does not make me feel great about what's to come. | ||
| I think that there's a very small section of Alex Jones's Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't mean that Trump is going to do that. | ||
| I don't want anyone to get that idea in their head, but because... | ||
| we're a show that follows Alex Jones and we track this sort of thing we know that this has been something that he's into for a bit but the way they're overtly talking about it is a very marked change | ||
| It is very scary to me, the idea that they feel comfortable enough because they believe that tonight Trump is going to declare this national emergency that they can wear it openly, that they can say it is a good idea for the military police to round up potential political enemies and stuff like that. | ||
| That is really fucking scary because that means that if shit ever goes that way, they're going to be the first people cheerleading and trying to rationalize. | ||
| They're going to be the people who are on the radio in Rwanda. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That's who they're going to be. | ||
| It's going to be a disaster. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They're exactly saying, right now. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Now that we know Trump's going to do it, I'm so glad it's finally okay for us to say that we need to have a racial cleansing. | ||
| And that includes taking the race traitors out, too. | ||
| Look, hey, if you're a white person, but you support those races that we don't like, guess what? | ||
| You're a race traitor. | ||
| You're one of them. | ||
| Cleansing away, baby! | ||
| I mean, it is a, like, gentleman speak freely kind of moment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, where the mask drops a little bit, and you see... | ||
| Oh, this is what you've been meaning for a long time. | ||
| I legitimately can't imagine a scenario wherein even if someone had left politics that I agreed with, they were advocating for military police rounding up conservatives or even the alt-right, even Nazis necessarily. | ||
| Depends on what those Nazis did. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Even if I heard that, there's no way that I would be triumphantly cheering for it. | ||
| If it's the state doing it, I can't imagine getting to this place. | ||
| And what you realize when you see moments like this is they don't need to get to that place. | ||
| That's their place. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There are so many times with so many of the rules and the norms that existed within Congress prior to... | ||
| Mitch McConnell's dumb fuckface existing. | ||
| God, I want a time machine to... | ||
| But so many of these rules are in place because everybody kind of implicitly got that if we change these rules, for us, there will be a pendulum swing back. | ||
| And those rule changes that we change to benefit us can then be used to our detriment. | ||
| It's a pick-your-spots kind of thing in democracy and republics. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's kind of the game. | ||
| And with these guys, there is something that is now explicit, which is that when you talk about one side or the other, only one side is literally using these rule changes in bad faith to harm people. | ||
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It does seem that way. | |
| Kind of don't care about the pendulum swing, because why would they? | ||
| They know that if the pendulum swings backward, they're not going to do to us what we want to do to them. | ||
| Well, and they also kind of understand if you swing a pendulum hard enough, it just gets lodged in the wall or whatever. | ||
| There is that kind of idea, even if you use that pendulum metaphor. | ||
| You can break a pendulum. | ||
| Yeah, well, fair enough. | ||
| So you go too hard one direction, you end up with a broken political system that doesn't fix itself, it doesn't swing back the other way, you end up in tyranny. | ||
| The exact same thing that Alex has been warning about and screaming about and making millions of dollars talking about for years. | ||
| Right. | ||
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I think that what we're seeing here is essentially the same thing that is the dichotomy between John Waterman, the Wednesday guy, on Carrie Cassidy's show and on his own blog. | |
| On Carrie Cassidy's show, that's Alex... | ||
| A year ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Not bringing up that he hates the Jews. | ||
| Just being like... | ||
| Certain groups. | ||
| And now, when he has on his own blog, he talks about how it's the Jews and all of them are fucking awful and they're trying to exterminate white people in Germany. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not saying that Alex is an anti-Semite directly in that metaphor, but what I'm saying is a year ago, there was this couchedness to it. | ||
| There was more of a, like... | ||
| It wasn't this overt. | ||
| This overt thing right now is directly calling for what brings tyranny, and he has every reason to know that, and he doesn't give a fuck. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Because he never gave a fuck. | ||
| The mask was caring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The mask was caring about the consequences, and it has fallen. | ||
| He does not care about any of this stuff. | ||
| And we could talk about how, like... | ||
| You know, earlier in the year we had him saying that Rex 84 is cool now. | ||
| It's totally fine. | ||
| Now the Trump gets to do it? | ||
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Come on, man. | |
| Posse comitatus doesn't matter. | ||
| Send the military to the border. | ||
| All this stuff. | ||
| We could talk about all that stuff. | ||
| But most people look at that and they want to clown on Alex for being a hypocrite. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm not interested in that necessarily. | ||
| And I don't think we have been super interested in that, although maybe pointed out from time to time. | ||
| It's a lesser issue. | ||
| I think that people miss the point. | ||
| And what it is, is those were always performative aspects of what he was doing. | ||
| And what he was doing, and is still doing, is defending whiteness, defending the status quo of a white-centric chauvinist. | ||
| Cisnormative world. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those are the institution and weirdly Christian. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Whatever. | ||
| Vaguely religious so long as it justifies whatever racist bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So what he's always done with all of these narratives is prop up and apologize for white terrorism. | ||
| All that sort of stuff. | ||
| And now he's abandoned the pretense, the mask, of caring about tyranny because the guy who's going to bring in the tyranny that he wants is in favor of all of those things. | ||
| He's a fucking chauvinist. | ||
| He's a racist. | ||
| He doesn't like trans people. | ||
| And he's a rapist. | ||
| He hates gays. | ||
| Who knows if he hates gays, but he doesn't want them to have rights. | ||
| Doesn't want them in the military or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| And especially the people he surrounds himself don't. | ||
| Who cares about litigating his personal beliefs? | ||
| It's about the effect. | ||
| That would be had. | ||
| So he knows that. | ||
| It's a small revelation that we've already made repeatedly that is, he is comfortable now because his guy is going to protect the groups he wants protected. | ||
| But it's just crazy to see that it is not just about these little things. | ||
| It's about everything. | ||
| His whole career is based on a lie. | ||
| We talked about it on a previous episode where we were discussing that kind of hypocrisy angle. | ||
| And it really isn't hypocrisy, because what it always has been is, I'm afraid they're going to do what we do. | ||
| And what we are going to do, we hope to do. | ||
| I'm afraid they're going to do that to us. | ||
| That's why I'm afraid of tyranny. | ||
| Not because tyranny is bad, but because we're going to get our literal comeuppance. | ||
| The right kind of tyranny is good, and the wrong kind is bad. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's a trite thing, but I think it's worth it that we spent this little period here having that discussion, because I think it's one way that people who aren't As in touch with and understanding what Alex does, misunderstand him, and they make the wrong attack on him in many ways. | ||
| You know, like this idea of like, oh, look at this, you're a hypocrite because now you believe this when you said that. | ||
| It's a much more salient attack and a much more salient way to look at things to say... | ||
| Oh, what this does is it reveals that you never cared about that, but what you did care about and what was motivating your rhetoric then is the same thing that's motivating it now. | ||
| I think it's a more holistic, more reasonable way to look at things. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if it helps anything, but it's reality. | ||
| And it's so important over and over again to make this point, is that Alex is the weakest link in this right-wing propaganda chain. | ||
| So many people in this right-wing propaganda world, so many people in fucking Congress, pretty much support... | ||
| I think Milo was a weaker link. | ||
| His emails got accessed. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| We found out his Naziness pretty easily. | ||
| Right, but in terms of saying the quiet part loud, so many people in the right-wing propaganda, so many people on Fox News would say, not in the same words, but in a far better couched language. | ||
| Essentially the same thing. | ||
| Like, Tucker Carlson wouldn't let Mike Adams come on and say the military police has a constitutional role to hunt down Trump's potential enemies. | ||
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Right. | |
| Stuff like that. | ||
| It is directly antithetical to so many of the very ideas of freedom, and it's the sort of thing that has always led down the path towards centralized control, oppression. | ||
| And all that shit. | ||
| Yeah, and Tucker Carlson wouldn't have Mike Adams on to say that. | ||
| He wouldn't have him on, period. | ||
| Period, of course not. | ||
| But, if Trump did do that, Tucker Carlson would defend it. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And say things like, well, constitutionally, they're not allowed to do this. | ||
| But they are allowed to do this. | ||
| He would do something weak, but I don't think it would be as weak as this Obama's executive order put us under martial law. | ||
| So Trump is just getting them back. | ||
| Yeah, that's too lame. | ||
| That's real weak. | ||
| Especially when you can go read that executive order. | ||
| You can understand the language in it. | ||
| You can understand the history of it. | ||
| All that stuff is so easy to track down. | ||
| It's not even Alex's normal stuff where it's like you've got to go read John P. Holdren's entire eco-science textbook. | ||
| It's so easy. | ||
| Anyway, look, we've gone down a little bit of a road. | ||
| I think it's important, and I'm not mad about that. | ||
| But the important thing to remember is that Alex is certain that he knows what's happening tonight on June, January 8th. | ||
| Mike has an incredible job on nationalnews.com. | ||
| It's tonight, 7 o 'clock central, for coverage of Trump's epic declaration of emergency. | ||
| As he says, we're in an emergency. | ||
| I may declare an emergency. | ||
| Oh, he's going to declare it. | ||
| Mike, thank you. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| So you keep hearing this. | ||
| Oh, he's going to do it. | ||
| You know, like, we know. | ||
| We know he's gonna do it. | ||
| He's gonna do it. | ||
| It's constant throughout the episode. | ||
| So, earlier, you were sort of bucking at Mike Adams talking about, like, who is the America you're talking about? | ||
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| This next clip. | ||
| White. | ||
| You know, he just kind of makes it a little more meh. | ||
| We reach real America, and real America supports Trump, supports a declaration of a national emergency, if that's what it takes, whatever it takes to build this wall. | ||
| That's what the new president of Brazil just did. | ||
| Of course he's got to declare an emergency to remove these people. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| I think Trump should declare a war on the globalists. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| The major media is the enemy. | ||
| They're trying to get him killed. | ||
| They're trying to kill us. | ||
| I mean, it's the truth. | ||
| These people are waging war on us. | ||
| We didn't start it. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I mean, they are so scared we're going to fight back. | ||
| We are in a war. | ||
| It's time to declare it. | ||
| It's time to rise up and identify the enemies within who are waging this war to disassemble and obliterate America. | ||
| And this war on America has been going on since 2008, by the way. | ||
| Let's be a trillion percent clear. | ||
| They started it. | ||
| They won't back down. | ||
| They're fair game. | ||
| Period. | ||
| They drew first blood. | ||
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Period. | |
| So, there is nothing in there that makes me feel better about Alex saying the time for vengeance isn't now, because in this clip, a mere hour after that, he's saying the globalists have drawn first blood of their fair game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you could interpret it as him being like, let's get him. | ||
| Now it's time. | ||
| It does kind of feel that way. | ||
| It's really fucked up. | ||
| And then Mike Adams, Alex talked over him a little bit. | ||
| He's like, this country's been in crisis since 2008. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| I thought the executive order was in 2012, you dumb fuck. | ||
| Is it just because of Obama? | ||
| Yeah, he was black, Dan. | ||
| I don't know if you noticed. | ||
| Did you notice that? | ||
| That might be a subtle piece of this. | ||
| That could be part of it. | ||
| Subtle. | ||
| Also, if you want to pull this bullshit of like, oh, we're in a war now and they've drawn first blood because they're oppressing us. | ||
| Dude, your time frame. | ||
| I don't know what you want to call it, if not side. | ||
| Let's call it white Christian male colonialists. | ||
| White identity people. | ||
| They have been fighting a war. | ||
| It's been against women. | ||
| It's been against people of color. | ||
| It's been against every possible minority that isn't white. | ||
| It's been against fucking Catholics, for God's sakes. | ||
| You guys have always been fighting this war. | ||
| And the only fight back that anybody has ever had has been, like... | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| We're making your lives better, too, you dumb fucks. | ||
| There's been a shifting of alliances, and there's been people who have not been on, like, it's not like a consistent one group throughout the entire time. | ||
| No. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| It's not a party. | ||
| I'm not saying it's a party. | ||
| It's a white identity. | ||
| There's been, like, more or less a history of exclusion and inclusion. | ||
| It's kind of been that struggle throughout the entire time. | ||
| Because you can kind of boil stuff. | ||
| I know that sounds like it's minimizing real serious chattel slavery and stuff like that. | ||
| But to an extent, that was driven by exclusion. | ||
| There's always been that. | ||
| And that heading allows you to include Catholics and the Irish and stuff like that because that was also an attempt to exclude from the group that's allowed to have access to power. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Power, access, influence, money, capital, all that sort of stuff. | ||
| And it even allows you to talk about, like, workers and stuff like that. | ||
| So inclusion versus exclusion has always been sort of the defining lines of what this schism is. | ||
| And Alex is squarely on the side of exclusion. | ||
| And I don't know, I don't understand how anybody looking at the path through history can honestly think that that's a good gamble. | ||
| Like, I don't understand why people think that that would work out well. | ||
| It always is wrong. | ||
| Exclusion is always wrong. | ||
| Even though it sometimes feels right. | ||
| I mean, we go back to that Ebola episode that we did. | ||
| It feels right to quarantine something, but it's always going to be the wrong thing to do. | ||
| It's just a sort of knee-jerk reaction that if you've ever studied anything, you should know it's the wrong thing. | ||
| It'll be looked poorly upon. | ||
| And Alex? | ||
| I mean, we're fucking apes that have destroyed the one place that allowed us to exist. | ||
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| Of course we're going to continue to destroy it, because we have these fucking apes continuing to do it. | ||
| Yeah, they're not good apes. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But, Alex, like I said, is certain that Trump is going to declare an emergency. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Mike Adams, God bless you. | ||
| Great job to join us tonight, 7 o 'clock, Central, 8 p.m. Eastern, for the coverage of Trump declaring a national emergency. | ||
| I don't know how all this is going to end, but if the globalists want to fight, they better believe they've got one! | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Fake. | ||
| He's so excited, though. | ||
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Yeah, but that's fake. | |
| He's so excited because he thinks he's on the verge of this authoritarian regime he's in favor of being implemented. | ||
| It's crazy to me. | ||
| Like, it's very obvious, like, what mental state he's in. | ||
| That's why the apocalyptic piece is in here. | ||
| That explains all of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now it's funny that he takes the side tour for the last hour of his show and talks to this guy who runs a site called blackpilled.com. | ||
| Apparently this guy's got some complaints about that movie Bird Box. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen that. | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I don't see movies all that much. | ||
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The left has ruined a particular form of fiction that I used to be really fond of. | |
| Did the left ruin it? | ||
| Is societal collapse, not just because I think it's relevant today, but also because I think it's just interesting to imagine how different people from different walks of life would react to the existing social structure collapsing suddenly. | ||
| Just real quick, I don't mean to be dismissive of this complaint, although I am. | ||
| I think also that genre kind of fucked itself out. | ||
| I think that's why you see remakes of all of the Day of the Dead movies repeatedly. | ||
| You just see all these remakes of the people who explored those ideas really well. | ||
| I know that there are probably examples of newer movies that take on... | ||
| An interesting twist on stuff. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But you also have Kevin Smith making that Red State movie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Red State wasn't terrible. | ||
| Compared to post-Red State. | ||
| Also, who does he think started that genre? | ||
| Conservatives. | ||
| Do you think the post-apocalyptic nuclear bomb movies of the 1950s were started by conservatives? | ||
| Do you think fucking Godzilla was started by conservatives? | ||
| How about Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Dan? | ||
| The greatest the world is fucked up movie there's ever been. | ||
| This is a minor point. | ||
| I would bring my rebuttal to him. | ||
| I don't think there's much more interesting territory to cover. | ||
| I think we've done the society falling apart. | ||
| Are people going to get along? | ||
| Are they going to fight? | ||
| That's why Survivor, you can only watch like three or four seasons of it. | ||
| I'm amazed you can watch that many seasons of it. | ||
| Well, I have more tolerance for people on the beach in that theme song than you maybe. | ||
| And I also kind of enjoy Jeff Probst. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You get a certain charm to him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know if I've ever told you this, but my buddy Nicky Gifts had the best idea in the world. | ||
| For, like, getting on Survivor? | ||
| Kidnap Jeff Probst, make him the authoritarian dictator. | ||
| That'd be a good plan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, his plan was, we would always sit around and he'd be like, what I want to do is I want to get on Survivor. | ||
| We go to tribal council, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what we do is we all vote for Jeff Probst. | ||
| See what happens. | ||
| Because the votes are all in the bucket. | ||
| So he's pulling out the first vote, and he's like, Jeff Probst. | ||
| All right, guys. | ||
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All right. | |
| That's pretty funny. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Second vote. | ||
| Jeff Rupp. | ||
| Come on, guys. | ||
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Hey. | |
| Hey. | ||
| We're still doing a show. | ||
| Can we get the producer in here? | ||
| Would they redo it? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Oh, of course they would. | ||
| But it's a funny idea. | ||
| They might show it for like five seconds, though. | ||
| My point is that Nicky Gift is a funny guy, and his criticism so far is soft. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| Of Bird Box. | ||
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A popular TV show that kind of started out like this was The Walking Dead. | |
| But it's now just become a soap opera where every character is now engaged in either an interracial or LBGTQ relationship. | ||
| I wonder what your problem there is. | ||
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The show is no longer anything about survival or how society would deal with a zombie invasion. | |
| Just like everything else coming out of Hollywood is just pure leftist propaganda. | ||
| And that's why I was skeptical when someone told me. | ||
| That I would like this new movie by Netflix, you know, the company that's been hard at work normalizing pedophilia. | ||
| This new movie by Netflix called Bird Box. | ||
| So, real quick, two things. | ||
| First is that he's saying that this is liberal propaganda claptrap, and his two examples are people who identify as LGBT and interracial relationships. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Which is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Those are things you think are like liberal intrusions into a genre? | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What's next? | ||
| What's next, Dan? | ||
| You know, look, I can't come up with a genre. | ||
| I like science fiction, but what I don't need to see is miscegenation. | ||
| Hell no! | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| These liberal ideas. | ||
| Are you telling me that these liberals convinced Captain Kirk to kiss a black woman on television? | ||
| It's such propaganda. | ||
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Liberal intrusion! | |
| That's crazy to me. | ||
| That's fucking bad. | ||
| If you want to make a point... | ||
| I'd encourage you not to make that one because it makes you sound like you don't want racist dating. | ||
| It really sounds like it. | ||
| Look, I like the old movies where you weren't going to see any kind of interracial touching or talking unless it's violent and there were only white men and white women. | ||
| Kissing, both of them, within their perfect gender roles. | ||
| And I don't understand. | ||
| And sometimes the guy will hit her. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Oh, he will hit her like, have you seen The Quiet Man? | ||
| And I just don't understand why these liberals have to turn this culture into something that has more ideas and more flavor and more everything. | ||
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I just want white people full stop. | |
| So from that criticism, I gathered, like, just from a genre perspective, I don't think this is a great review. | ||
| And then second, from a, oh boy, you're apparently against interracial relationships and LGBT people being represented. | ||
| Cool, man. | ||
| From a genre perspective, his take on sci-fi is, uh, no gays. | ||
| So... | ||
| He goes on to talk about how, like, all the bad guys are white in it, and that is, like, a clear anti-white message and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| I just did the jack-off motion. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah, go fuck yourself. | ||
| So I went to this guy's website. | ||
| His name is Devin Stack. | ||
| It's blackpilled.com, not blackpilled.com. | ||
| That site is still available. | ||
| You can go buy that if you want. | ||
| Don't know why he didn't, but he went to Black Pilled. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it took me a while to find the page. | ||
| But when I did, I found his homepage. | ||
| And if you look at it, there's problems. | ||
| This guy doesn't seem cool. | ||
| He has articles and videos he's made with titles like, quote, no white guilt for blackface. | ||
| Or, quote, why they want to replace you. | ||
| Which literally argues that people in countries with more oppressive governments, like Argentina, have lower IQs. | ||
| And thus, the powers that be are trying to make everyone closer to that in order to install a more oppressive government. | ||
| Beyond that... | ||
| He spent a bunch of time covering how Pizzagate is totally real and, of course, the Seth Rich conspiracy. | ||
| He was all into that. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| He's a good fit for Alex as a fellow nut. | ||
| Unless you want to bring up one of the posts from about a year ago that he made that's particularly funny, which is just titled, quote, Bill Cooper warned about Deep State 20 years ago. | ||
| Did Alex see that before he had him on as a guest? | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| He didn't because he loves this guy because he's encouraging. | ||
| Racial othering. | ||
| And creating white oppression narratives throughout his work. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| That's the entire purpose of this. | ||
| Anyway, I don't have much respect for this guy. | ||
| I think he kind of sucks. | ||
| But his interview is actually really boring. | ||
| But Sandra Bullock is in Bird Box. | ||
| I didn't know that because I haven't seen it. | ||
| Do you know something about Sandra Bullock? | ||
| I don't know anything about her. | ||
| I'll tell you this. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| She's a Nazi. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| So Alex takes this... | ||
| For all of our new listeners, that's a running joke that we let go for a while. | ||
| And we delivered poorly because it's been so long. | ||
| It's been so long. | ||
| But I only bring it up because Alex takes this opportunity to really just take us some swings at Sandra Bullock. | ||
| And I have to add, anything Sandra Bullock involved in is a globalist operation. | ||
| I have total inside knowledge of all of it. | ||
| I'm not at liberty to tell you, but she is a monstrous pig. | ||
| Total PR, well, stabbing the back, is a psychopathic monster. | ||
| How do you know that? | ||
| Sandra Bullock is a soulless pig. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Just like her film. | ||
| He knows that he hangs out with the neo-Nazi Jesse James, who she divorced. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And then also it probably has something to do with the fact that she adopted minority children. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems redundant and kind of overly simplistic to assume that's part of it, but it seems like it might be. | ||
| And I know that he's friends with Jesse James, and Jesse James is 100% at least pretty cool with Nazis. | ||
| And Alex, the two of them are friends. | ||
| This is all just information that Jesse James has told him. | ||
| He's like, if you know enough about Alex, you know that what he's reporting on isn't fact. | ||
| It's like, hey... | ||
| The guy that she divorced was talking a lot of shit to me, and I know secret shit. | ||
| I know secret stuff from this jilted lover. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
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If that is his source, that kind of suggests that Jesse James said that the only reason she divorced him because it's bad PR to be with a Nazi. | |
| It does suggest that. | ||
| Which, you know what? | ||
| And stick around after he was cheating with a Nazi stripper. | ||
| Yeah, fair. | ||
| That is bad PR. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| It just seems like what Alex is doing there is trying to pretend he has real deep inside knowledge, and it's kind of like TMZ without any information. | ||
| It's the suggestion of information. | ||
| It's just gossip he's offering. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| A few episodes back, a few modern day episodes back, I literally said, this just turned into a gossip talk show. | ||
| Now it's an apocalyptic, white nationalist, authoritarian, apocalyptic gossip show. | ||
| It's a weird thing for an episode to have so much within it, the multitudes. | ||
| You have all this really scary stuff, then this... | ||
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Clear... | |
| I don't know even what to call him. | ||
| Biggity movie reviewer. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like Richard Roper but hates minorities. | ||
| Yeah, it is kind of like a... | ||
| It is kind of like if Megyn Kelly took it... | ||
| Can you imagine if Ebert's review of a movie was... | ||
| Too many interracial relationships. | ||
| Don't like C and race mixing. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| This liberal... | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| So, this brings us to the end of the episode on the 8th. | ||
| Then Alex Jones takes a powder, he lets Owen Schroer take over on the war room, gets his bearings about him, and comes back with a live report. | ||
| For the live coverage of Trump, obviously... | ||
| Declaring a state of emergency on broadcast TV. | ||
| Everybody knows that that's what he's going to do. | ||
| He's made that clear repeatedly throughout the show. | ||
| It's what's going to happen. | ||
| So now, the beginning of this episode or this live thing was very boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But about maybe, let's call it 10 minutes in or so, Alex frames what's going to happen this evening. | ||
| Coming up in T-50 minutes, we're going to have the president. | ||
| His first Oval Office address. | ||
| Now yesterday I said, they said, oh, there's a special address tomorrow, we don't know if it'll be in the Oval Office or not. | ||
| It'll be in the Oval Office. | ||
| So prediction one came true. | ||
| And that means that's time of war, national crisis, you name it. | ||
| And Trump has already correctly said, we are in a national crisis. | ||
| We are in a national crisis. | ||
| Do we declare it a crisis? | ||
| So I've said, is it a bargaining chip? | ||
| Is that what this is? | ||
| Is this a bargaining chip so the Democrats stop holding it up and creating the crisis of the shutdown government to show them I've got the power anyways to build a wall if you don't do it? | ||
| Well, if he announces some deal tonight by Pelosi and Schumer, they'll probably double back on it, but that could be the only way he doesn't declare an emergency. | ||
| But he needs to declare the emergency because, again, I want to be clear, Obama signed, not as the executive order in 2012, But at least a dozen more. | ||
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Which one? | |
| 15 executive orders after that. | ||
| One, two, three. | ||
| That gave martial law dictatorial power to whatever agency and group and working group he put in under the executive order. | ||
| Name them. | ||
| Groups one, two, three, four, five. | ||
| So he's made it clear the only way Trump isn't... | ||
| saying it's a national emergency is he comes out and announces a deal that he made because he threw his dick on the table and said, I'm going to do that and then Pelosi and Schumer cowered in fear. | ||
| And you know that they would, if he did announce that, they would probably back out. | ||
| Because you know they have a history of backing out of deals, unlike the very person who had a deal in place to continue funding the government, and then because of dickwads like Alex Jones and Sean Hannity, then went back on that fucking deal. | ||
| You know you can't trust Pelosi and Schumer. | ||
| There's also that great little clip. | ||
| Although you can't trust Pelosi and Schumer. | ||
| They're giant piles of shit, too. | ||
| There's also that great clip you can find of Trump talking to them, being like, I'm going to shut down the government, I won't blame you. | ||
| Yeah, no, no. | ||
| He literally said, it is going to be my fault. | ||
| I'm going to do this. | ||
| I will accept the blame. | ||
| But it's not his fault. | ||
| No. | ||
| They're the ones who are dragging their feet, and that's what Alex is bringing to the table. | ||
| And I just need to stress, because we know, after the fact, that Trump didn't declare a national emergency. | ||
| He just spouted a bunch of racist bullshit. | ||
| But how do you know that I didn't watch it? | ||
| Because fuck off. | ||
| I'm not watching that. | ||
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No chance. | |
| It was all just a manipulation of the reality of the situation at the border, trying to make it seem so awful. | ||
| He was listing people who have been killed by immigrants and stuff like that. | ||
| It was just a white nationalist display. | ||
| Quite frankly. | ||
| I don't mean that flippantly. | ||
| It was absolutely just a, like... | ||
| We need to be afraid of these people flooding into our country. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And it is a crisis of the heart. | ||
| A crisis of the soul. | ||
| He was appealing on like a pathetically moral level. | ||
| Like trying to use a moral argument. | ||
| In terms of, like, we need to do this. | ||
| He appealed to the opiate crisis, and it's like, dude, fuck off. | ||
| That wall wouldn't help with that at all. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no, it wouldn't. | ||
| It wouldn't help. | ||
| It sounds like I know who wrote that speech. | ||
| Stephen, the fucking white nationalist racist. | ||
| Some guy with a weird hairline? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Some guy who draws in his hair. | ||
| And not Carlos Boozer, surprisingly enough. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it does feel that way. | ||
| Man, that's an old reference. | ||
| So, Alex gets to this, and this next clip. | ||
| I legitimately feel is so disqualifying. | ||
| Alex has no idea what he's talking about, and he demonstrates it fully in this next clip. | ||
| No one has ever used a national emergency except Ronald Reagan. | ||
| We did a limited one, but he used a national emergency to order the air traffic controllers to not let planes crash and fall in the sky. | ||
| And he said, I order you back to work under emergency order. | ||
| He did that national emergency. | ||
| So it's all 50 states. | ||
| Air traffic controllers said increase our pay or we're gone. | ||
| He said, no, you get back to work, I'll have your ass arrested. | ||
| Now, if Congress and the people didn't agree with that, he would get impeached. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| His approval rating went up 20 points. | ||
| Or more. | ||
| Or more. | ||
| So, here's the deal. | ||
| Alex is 100% wrong about this story, and it really illustrates a deep lack of understanding on his part on the topics he's covering. | ||
| In August 1981, the Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization found themselves on strike, demanding across-the-board pay raises and more lenience in the hours of their work weeks, given the 24-7 nature of their job. | ||
| 13,000 controllers walked out of negotiations on August 3rd when it became clear that the FAA wasn't going to give them what they were looking for and the strike continued. | ||
| Reagan deemed the strike to be illegal and threatened to fire anyone who didn't go back to work within 48 hours. | ||
| 11,000 controllers didn't cave, and Reagan stood to his word and fired them, even going so far as to put lifetime bans on them being rehired. | ||
| Unfortunately, the scabs, who didn't stand with the union and their fellow workers, were enough to maintain approximately 80% of commercial towers, and the freight industry ran at full levels. | ||
| And just like that, a dickhead president dealt a crippling blow to labor rights in the country. | ||
| On full display in front of the national media, everyone saw exactly what would happen to organized labor who went against the power of the government. | ||
| They would be threatened, and those who didn't fall in line would be fired, fined, and potentially banned for life from their profession. | ||
| Reagan's argument was that federal employees don't have the right to strike, so if they did, he should just fire them, based on the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947. | ||
| This hadn't been done previously, and most people believed that if circumstances ever came up, a modern president wouldn't be so shitty as to actually summarily fire federal employees for demanding better working conditions. | ||
| But those people had never met Reagan. | ||
| Many consider the event to be one of the most important in the history of union busting, and a moment that had ripple effects through tons of industries and the lives of just those fired workers alone. | ||
| But at no point did Reagan declare a national emergency. | ||
| Alex is trying to conflate the idea of a strike and this government shutdown and this national emergency narrative that's going on, which all of them are in no way related. | ||
| But in doing so, what he's saying is that no other president has declared a state of emergency except Reagan, which is absolutely not true. | ||
| That is the three people voted on the Federal Reserve of emergency declaring arguments. | ||
| Reagan didn't declare a national emergency, and other people fucking did. | ||
| No, but Reagan did declare... | ||
| national emergency is just not that one. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There are currently 28 national emergencies in effect, dating back to 1979, the oldest one from the Carter administration. | ||
| Nearly all of them, 25 out of the 28, have to do with putting freezes on the property of people involved in various regimes we've not liked, or people who are working to disrupt peace processes in countries we did like, like Belarus in 2006, Zimbabwe in 2003, or the Western Balkans in 2001. | ||
| The rest are exactly the sort of thing you'd expect to see. | ||
| There's one from 1994 about the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. | ||
| Hey, I'm not against the national emergency about the idea of the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. | ||
| I also think we should be subject to it, but... | ||
| You know, there's nuance to the conversation you can have, but you can't make a coherent argument that they're secret, or that somehow by declaring them, any president has gained the ability to declare martial law and crown themselves king. | ||
| I'm not saying this to be a dick. | ||
| That is literally what Alex Jones and Larry Nichols were arguing in the run-up to the 2016 election, that Obama was going to declare a state of emergency, and the FEMA provisional government would kick in, and then he'd become king. | ||
| And just so no one thinks I'm making that up, Here's them saying it. | ||
| Why is it when Obama was elected, we were told, oh, thank God, race is finally over, and he's done everything in his power and then some to make race a hotter issue now than the day the man came in? | ||
| And if you don't believe, he is working hard to get these riots activated. | ||
| And when the riots get activated, Alex, here's the part people don't understand. | ||
| When these black mobs start running wild and shooting wildly into the neighborhood, you know what people are doing in this country? | ||
| They'll call up and say, please send the government and stop it, protect us. | ||
| We will call for the federal government to come in and protect us. | ||
| We will call for the civil emergency. | ||
| We will. | ||
| We'll be the ones asking for it because, you know what, we'll be scared. | ||
| Here's them talking about it again. | ||
| We know bad stuff's coming. | ||
| What do you see happening? | ||
| Well, it's exactly what you and I had talked about years ago. | ||
| Thankfully, thanks to you and other programs, we stopped it. | ||
| You know, Bill was using, if you'll recall, Alex, Jesse Jackson. | ||
| Remember, Jesse Jackson was supposed to start riots in five major cities. | ||
| And then Bill Clinton would, of course, have to declare martial law. | ||
| And once they get the provisional government rule in, then they get to be king forever. | ||
| We stopped it by making it public. | ||
| Well, now we've got problems. | ||
| The folks, all of this that's going on is about power. | ||
| Power. | ||
| And the Clintons absorb power like we take in sunshine. | ||
| Like Goku. | ||
| Now, the thing that's going on today, you have to be so careful. | ||
| So very careful, because at any time, you know they're going to start tit for tat. | ||
| Well, you kill some black guys, somebody kill some white guys. | ||
| Black guys kill some more black guys. | ||
| And then you end up in this total chaos. | ||
| And when that happens, all bets are off. | ||
| And whoever is sitting, folks, whoever is in power, when this thing collapses, they become king or queen. | ||
| I forgot to mention that Larry Nichols is also a huge racist. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, there's that. | ||
| So, look, dude, this is nonsensical. | ||
| This has been their editorial position forever, the idea that a president introduces... | ||
| A national emergency. | ||
| Whether it's in this conception back then of these manufactured race riots that they're worried about. | ||
| Whatever the situation is, it's created in order for them to create this national emergency, which means that they can then become king. | ||
| That is deep-seated Alex Jones shit. | ||
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| It's nuts. | ||
| It is nuts. | ||
| I hate being gaslit. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| So hard. | ||
| It's nuts that he has no idea that there are all of these national emergencies that have been in place forever. | ||
| Or he seems not to. | ||
| He literally said that Reagan's the only president to use one. | ||
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| That's crazy. | ||
| Look, here's the thing. | ||
| We talked about this already. | ||
| The idea that this is not an invalidation of Alex Jones' rhetoric. | ||
| This is a confirmation of what it's always been about. | ||
| This is the logical end point of his rhetoric. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You just see a glimpse through the curtain or whatever and you see the Wizard of Oz is a racist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| The idea of anything else was just window dressing. | ||
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| It really was. | ||
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| So please understand this. | ||
| This episode that we're listening to right now is a direct mirror of the night Alex stayed up all night to watch WikiLeaks' anniversary livestream that he thought was going to be the night of Hillary's downfall. | ||
| On that evening, Alex thought that his magical deus ex machina was going to arrive and whisk him away to a post-globalist world. | ||
| And in that blissful state, he said things that indicated that he and Roger both had advanced knowledge of what was in those leaked emails. | ||
| Unlike Medea, his chariot did not arrive that night. | ||
| In exactly the same way, you can easily sense Alex is expecting this deus ex machina moment from Trump on January 8th. | ||
| He thinks this press conference is going to happen, and after that, Trump is going to be in charge of the U.S. in a state of emergency, and then it's genocide time. | ||
| And in the same way that he let too much slip that night when he was watching Assange, him and Roger Stone let too much slip while they're preparing for Trump's speech on January 8th. | ||
| Roger Stone, what do you predict tonight here in about 15 minutes? | ||
| Well, first of all, I think the president's going to stand tall. | ||
| I do think he is going to exercise his executive power. | ||
| I do think he's going to appropriately declare an emergency. | ||
| This is going to make the deep state shift into high gear. | ||
| There will be mass hysteria tonight. | ||
| Because the president accurately recognizes that this flood of illegals is bringing crime, is bringing drugs, is bringing disease. | ||
| And the Democrats really, I think Owen hit it right on the head. | ||
| They favor a remix of the electorate. | ||
| They favor flooding the American electorate with illegals in order to change the voting quotient. | ||
| I see the president... | ||
| It's his signature issue. | ||
| It is the issue that elected him, let's face it. | ||
| It was the single most important issue in his upset election, the most improbable election in American history. | ||
| And I think he understands this is the single most important night of his presidency. | ||
| Roger, that's what my gut tells me, and my gut's never wrong. | ||
| In the same way that Mike Adams earlier just really defined authoritarianism and what dictators do to shore up power, Roger Stone just directly described white nationalism. | ||
| The idea of these outsiders coming in bring crime and disease. | ||
| The same way that Don Trump Jr. with his tweet talking about the zoo walls keep you safe from the animals. | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| It's these dehumanizing ideas. | ||
| All they bring is this horrible disease when the statistics don't match that at all. | ||
| No reputable science backs that up. | ||
| No, nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| This is all the editorial position of Infowars, which is of white nationalism. | ||
| Him describing the shifting of the electorate, all that sort of thing. | ||
| The voting quotient. | ||
| All that stuff is all the fear of the loss of white power. | ||
| And that is what's important. | ||
| They believe that Trump is going to declare the state of emergency that will create the thing that they imagine in their head. | ||
| And it's like Bond villains to a certain extent. | ||
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| It's a speak freely moment and Roger Stone directly describes white nationalism, white supremacy. | ||
| He's a little slicker than to just say it the same way that Mike Adams did. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He's still like... | ||
| He's even slicker than saying I don't like miscegenation in movies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's slicker than black-pilled guy. | ||
| But he's still... | ||
| That's a little blunt. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| A little blunt. | ||
| The idea of we're going to protect the electorate. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That sort of thing. | ||
| But... | ||
| Not too far off from Fox News in general. | ||
| But they think that this moment is coming. | ||
| And we know that it's not. | ||
| And the interesting thing that I take away from that is that they don't know shit. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's interesting that they're so ramped up. | ||
| None of them have any inside information. | ||
| They are all caught way off guard by the idea that Trump is just going to be a dick. | ||
| He's just going to do a speech being a dick. | ||
| He's not going to change anything. | ||
| They think he is. | ||
| And that means that Alex Jones knows nothing. | ||
| That means Roger Stone doesn't have any inside information. | ||
| Everything is posturing. | ||
| But it's posturing trying to reinforce the possibility and the hope for a white nationalist authoritarian state. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is not great. | ||
| We're living in a time where old white people are trying to... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I guess... | ||
| In the metaphor of their conception of what they think they're doing, they're trying to take their ball and go home. | ||
| Like, everybody's playing. | ||
| Everybody's having a good time. | ||
| And they think they're doing it on behalf of their kids who don't care. | ||
| A lot of them probably don't want them to do that. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They sort of use the later generations as a prop in their argument. | ||
| In their argument, of course, will lead to the deaths of their children. | ||
| Like, if you continue with this authoritarian white nationalist fascist state, it's only going to accelerate our impending deaths by climate change. | ||
| Like, everything they're doing is like, it's going to be awesome to live in an authoritarian dictatorship because I'll be dead in 20 years and only my children will have to deal with the real fallout of that. | ||
| No, that's about carbon taxes. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Roger goes on. | ||
| He wants to talk about how Russia is a bunch of nonsense, which is really fun, like the Russia investigation. | ||
| It's fun because also that day, Paul Manafort's lawyers, they posted that document that was poorly redacted. | ||
| They're so bad. | ||
| And because of the poor redaction, people were able to find out what was under those black bars, and it turns out that he had given internal polling data to Russian spies. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| No, he admitted to it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Which is a crime. | ||
| So, like, there's that stuff, and it's like, hey, Roger, for years you guys ran a business together, and he took over for you when you left the campaign. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| It doesn't look great. | ||
| So, Roger really wants to muddy the waters about the idea of this Trump Tower meeting that that lawyer, Vessel Nitskaya, had with Manafort, Don Jr., That other Russian spy. | ||
| Veselnitskaya? | ||
| No, she was the lawyer. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| But she was also apparently a spy. | ||
| Yeah, of course she was a spy. | ||
| So Roger wants to talk about that and say she had connections with Fusion GPS and what have you. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| And that's all good and well. | ||
| That's just a normal Infowars deflection. | ||
| But then Alex Jones makes it fucking weird by bringing some personal stuff into it. | ||
| And then... | ||
| This indictment today of the woman Russian lawyer is a precursor. | ||
| You can see the setup. | ||
| Obviously, no one raises the question of why she was meeting with Fusion GPS before and after the Trump Tower meeting. | ||
| They're laying the groundwork to try to say that the Trump Tower meeting was somehow treasonous or illegal and that Donald Trump Jr. | ||
| Has legal liability. | ||
| I don't see it. | ||
| And let's be clear. | ||
| You've advised me to go public. | ||
| I haven't yet. | ||
| I have told the FBI. | ||
| I have told others. | ||
| Fusion GPS is actually a central intelligence agency front interfacing with the Russians to trick Russians into engaging in espionage to get Defense Department funding. | ||
| And I'm not a foreign military, I'm a foreign government, but not the traitors within them. | ||
| They have officially tried to set me up. | ||
| Really? | ||
| These groups are reported to the FBI, and they know that, and they're crapping bricks right now. | ||
| So the fact they're doing this, they use this fake, just like they're trying to overthrow Russia and they spend billions a year with Soros, they're using Russian networks they've got in the U.S. that really work for the left to try to set patriots up to just talk to them or take money from them to then claim this whole fake Russia thing is real, when the truth is it's the Clintons and others that sold us out to Russia. | ||
| So the fact that this poor... | ||
| Russian woman, who quite frankly is an idiotic tart, she was running around trying to get the NRA to hire her, the Republicans to hire her. | ||
| She sent emails to the Russians saying, hey, I'm having sex with all these Republicans. | ||
| Will you hire me? | ||
| And the Russians obviously didn't talk to her, thinking she was an agent. | ||
| So this is all they've got? | ||
| I mean, it's quite shameful, the Russian intelligence network, quite frankly, if all they've got is a woman that didn't even work. | ||
| For the FSB, my friend. | ||
| So that's, I mean, there's a little bit of chauvinism, misogyny in there, but Alex doesn't realize that Roger is talking about Veselnitskaya. | ||
| Alex starts yelling about Maria Butina. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So these are two different people in very different situations. | ||
| Alex doesn't have a grasp on the facts, which shouldn't surprise us. | ||
| No. | ||
| But... | ||
| Also, no one's trying to set you up. | ||
| Although, it would be interesting if he tried to repurpose that RT interview where he got talked to by Russian intelligence as an attempt to set him up or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now, that'd be fun. | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| I don't think he's doing that. | ||
| I like his... | ||
| Like, this is a good Russian... | ||
| Like not to be like that part of that, that Russophobic kind of Russian, but this is something that the Russian intelligence agencies often do, which is say, we don't even have the capabilities of doing that. | ||
| People are trying to say that we're doing that. | ||
| We couldn't even, we couldn't do that if we wanted to. | ||
| Alex does that all the time. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is what, you know, lull people into a false sense of security. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's a strategy. | ||
| It's a very powerful strategy. | ||
| But, again, it doesn't prove anything. | ||
| No, no, no, absolutely not. | ||
| All it proves is Alex is fucking stupid. | ||
| Can't handle a simple, deflective conversation about this lawyer who had just been indicted. | ||
| Because he wants to, he thinks he's talking about the other one. | ||
| He needed to deflect from not knowing anything about the deflection that he's ostensibly supposed to be following. | ||
| Meanwhile, lying about GPS setting him up. | ||
| Fusion GPS. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll see what happens with that. | ||
| So then Trump gives his speech, and it's just a bunch of nonsense. | ||
| It's complete nonsense. | ||
| And so immediately afterwards, Alex realizes that he was wrong, and he starts trying to rationalize. | ||
| They threatened a bunch of stuff behind the scenes, economic implosion, you name it, if he did this. | ||
| And I know how Trump works. | ||
| I kind of predicted this before the show. | ||
| I kind of figured he was going to do it. | ||
| Things changed, and he says, okay. | ||
| I'll see if they do the right thing. | ||
| Give them the chance. | ||
| If they won't, he'll do the executive order. | ||
| But the border, the existential threat to sovereignty, that's real. | ||
| But it's the excuse for the emergency under law because the media will spin it to get rid of all the globalist executive orders and Obama crap. | ||
| So I'm not going to give Trump a total pass. | ||
| If in 30 days from now this hasn't worked out or he hasn't reversed the executive orders, I'm going to think that they have compromised Trump. | ||
| He does this all the time, these fake announcements of, I'll give him this time, whatever. | ||
| Knowing full well that his listeners will not remember 30 days prior to whenever the date is. | ||
| Or he'll just conveniently forget to cover the USMCA getting ratified. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Forget that that was a line in the sand for him. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| But that's slick rationalization, saying Trump was warned that they'd crash the economy if he did it. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here with that shit. | ||
| It's just so lame. | ||
| He spent the entire day saying, I know this is going to happen. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| We're going to be covering it when it happens. | ||
| Like, letting their lust for... | ||
| Authoritarianism show in preparation for it happening, and then they said, you know, I had a sense it was going to happen, but, you know, things happen, and Trump got threatened. | ||
| So sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex admits he was wrong, but also doesn't really admit he's wrong? | ||
| I believe he said just a few moments ago that his gut says that Trump is going to declare a national emergency, and his gut is never wrong. | ||
| I think, yeah, earlier in the episode he did say that. | ||
| And we predicted this was all coming. | ||
| We've not been discredited. | ||
| I don't spin things. | ||
| If I'm wrong about something every once in a while, I'll say it. | ||
| Always. | ||
| I want to be wrong. | ||
| Believe me, I wish I wasn't right. | ||
| This is what needs to be done. | ||
| We're not fetishizing civil emergency. | ||
| We're not fetishizing the power of executive. | ||
| That's literally what you're doing. | ||
| Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| That's all you're doing. | ||
| Look, look, he didn't declare a national emergency, and of course we never said we wanted him to. | ||
| Like, we're not saying that we want an authoritarian government, especially now that he has not instituted one, and that kind of suggests that we're still not going to be okay if we keep out and out asking for an authoritarian coup. | ||
| We can only ask for an authoritarian coup after it's already happened. | ||
| Or we assume. | ||
| We're going to pull back and we're going to say, you know what? | ||
| Actually, no, we don't think the executive power... | ||
| We're glad for a compromise. | ||
| You're going to get mealy-mouthed about it. | ||
| He also is drunker. | ||
| He's not drunk in the same way that we've seen him so many times, but there's a bit of it. | ||
| This is the only clip I think that really demonstrates it, where Owen Troyer has been there this whole time. | ||
| Oh, he has? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many words has he gotten to say? | ||
| Not too many. | ||
| Alex keeps trying to prompt him to say things and then Alex just keeps talking. | ||
| But Owen comes in and he starts trying to make the point that now is the time that we need to make our support of Trump really public. | ||
| He's trying to make that point. | ||
| Alex doesn't understand what he's saying and then starts bragging. | ||
| We need to be able to go out in public and wear our colors with pride. | ||
| Because there's a big con right now. | ||
| There's a big sigh up on the American people that... | ||
| Trump supporters are in the minority. | ||
| Trump supporters don't exist. | ||
| We're all, you know, toothless. | ||
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Oh, no, they exist. | |
| The only way for us to counter that narrative is to physically counter it. | ||
| Oh, I worked out this morning and my trainer showed up in a Trump shirt. | ||
| Wearing shirts. | ||
| He never does that. | ||
| And then I went to a coffee shop on my way here and there were two people wearing Trump shirts. | ||
| I think people get now. | ||
| Now is the time to say no to the bullies. | ||
| Alex, I can't even go to the gym anymore without... | ||
| You know, high school and college students recognizing me and just saying how much they love Infowars. | ||
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So it's weird. | |
| I think that the propaganda anti-American... | ||
| Oh, I'm not bragging. | ||
| My oldest daughter, I've got three daughters and a son. | ||
| I've got four children. | ||
| Daughters, you know, 14 down to 20 months. | ||
| My daughter, like, says, will you come pick me up at this house? | ||
| I go to some house party with the parents at a birthday party. | ||
| there'll be like 20 girls there and their parents and they're all listeners and they all want pictures with me and then she had three girls over saturday and they were i was like yeah i've been i got home late i'm gonna watch a tv show my wife go to bed they're like no dad come take photos and shoot videos for their parents they're such fan i'm not right oh i'm famous the point is yes people are away yeah but | ||
| So, like, that was Owen trying to introduce this idea of, like, we need to counter the idea that no one likes Trump by wearing Trump shirts around. | ||
| And then he did sort of introduce the idea of popularity by talking about, I go to the gym and people know me, and that sort of thing. | ||
| But Alex couldn't handle that and had to one-up him with this weird story about 14-year-old girls taking pictures. | ||
| Oh, people know you, Owen Schroer? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Everybody knows me. | ||
| It is that way. | ||
| It isn't one-upping. | ||
| It's not helping the conversation at all. | ||
| It's focusing on himself, which is also... | ||
| What he does all the time. | ||
| Yeah, it's very much that drunk conversation that you've had with somebody in a bar before. | ||
| I've been on the wrong side of that conversation a hundred times. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, where it's like they say something and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| That's just like this completely unrelated thing that's going to exactly change the topic one million percent from whatever the fuck it was you were talking about. | ||
| I wasn't listening to you. | ||
| I think it was what you were talking about. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that's all fun. | ||
| There's one more clip from the night of... | ||
| Of January 8th. | ||
| And it's Alex kind of freaking out. | ||
| Because, you know, it didn't go the way he expected it to. | ||
| Clearly he doesn't have any... | ||
| Like, he's expressing in this clip, he won't say it out loud probably, but he's expressing that he has no idea where to go now. | ||
| I have just shot my load, more or less, in the earlier show and the ramp up to Trump's speech. | ||
| And then Trump's speech, disappointed. | ||
| It didn't do what I said it was going to do. | ||
| Everyone's going to know that. | ||
| And the only place he can turn is Roger Stone. | ||
| And so he tells him this. | ||
| He begs him. | ||
| Yeah, but let's talk about it. | ||
| You told me two years ago Bannon was bad and wanted to go after him, and I said no, so you didn't, so I felt guilty. | ||
| You said that. | ||
| You said the generals were globalist cocksuckers. | ||
| Excuse my French. | ||
| So tell us how you knew, but who's the new enemy? | ||
| Break it down. | ||
| Well, again, I think General Kelly didn't leave until yesterday. | ||
| As I understand it, he was impeding progress on a number of fronts right up until the last minute. | ||
| He is now... | ||
| Physically out of the building. | ||
| You were the first to say it, so who does he work for? | ||
| Oh, I think his job was to be a minder for Donald Trump for the deep state, as was Rex Tillerson, as was H.R. McMaster, one of the greatest disasters of all time. | ||
| So he doesn't give him an answer at all. | ||
| Alex is begging, like, tell me what to hate. | ||
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| I need you to focus me in a direction because this has been a fucking disaster. | ||
| And that, to me, kind of implies that Roger's to blame for Alex's thinking. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| There's very much a, this disaster is your fault, so you better fucking pick up the pieces. | ||
| You told me he was definitely going to declare a national emergency. | ||
| Now, I'm going to give you credit for being right about Bannon back then in order to present my righteous anger at you to tell me where to go because I can't figure this out on my own. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's sad. | ||
| That's a pretty bad way to end the evening. | ||
| Schadenfreude being what it is. | ||
| That is very much a man who immediately recognized... | ||
| I'm in over my head and I don't know anything. | ||
| I, yeah, there is a moment of like, ah, shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Roger doesn't know anything either. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I thought he had an inside pipeline and he doesn't know shit. | ||
| He doesn't know a goddamn thing. | ||
| And he also was talking earlier in the day, I didn't have any clips of this from his episode, but there's an article in Zero Hedge about how Trump wasn't going to declare a national emergency. | ||
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| And he kept talking about it like, I like Zero Hedge, but I think they're wrong, that sort of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That has to be weighing on his mind, too. | ||
| It's like other news sources in his world had it right, he had it wrong, and he's best friends with Trump's supposed best friend. | ||
| Or the way that Alex builds that up. | ||
| So he's got to have some sort of insecurity. | ||
| So that's how he ends the broadcast on the 8th in the evening. | ||
| There's some more rambling, but it's not worth talking about. | ||
| So then he sleeps it off and comes back to work on January 9th on Thursday, Wednesday. | ||
| And here is how he comes to the table. | ||
| And this is super weird. | ||
| There's a couple problems with it. | ||
| And you'll see pretty quickly what those problems are. | ||
| Now, I was going to come back in this segment, and I was going to get to this later, but everybody knows my habit of mentioning something coming up and getting right into it. | ||
| But when we come back, constitutional lawyer, really smart cookie, founder of OathCook. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| He's going to be joining us, Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| But here's the bottom line. | ||
| And he's a constitutional lawyer, won awards at Yale for his writings, and of course worked for Ron Paul. | ||
| Smart guy. | ||
| He concurs with what I've said. | ||
| Trump essentially is no longer the president. | ||
| He has advocated his responsibility. | ||
| He's signing it away. | ||
| He's letting a group of people around him tell him that he can't fire the head of the Federal Reserve, which he can do in the code. | ||
| No, he can't. | ||
| That is a pretty crazy declaration that he's making there, that Trump is no longer president. | ||
| He's giving up this power. | ||
| Now, still, later in the episode, he does talk about how he's going to give him some time and what have you. | ||
| 29 days now. | ||
| That's as strong a language as I've seen come out of him on that kind of front. | ||
| The idea that Trump is no longer president and he's bowing to the globalists. | ||
| Not since ISIS has been up his dirty asshole. | ||
| But this is during the morning. | ||
| This is during the beginning of the show. | ||
| And he's not wasted after a bombing. | ||
| So it's wild to see. | ||
| I think that there is some sort of actual narrative progression here. | ||
| I've been wrong in the past and he's just walked things back entirely. | ||
| But I think that there is a kernel of sincere You end up realizing, I think, what your wings are made of. | ||
| That sort of idea. | ||
| You know, like, Icarus had wax wings. | ||
| They melted when he flew too close to the sun. | ||
| Alex has white nationalist wings. | ||
| And also fascist authoritarian leanings. | ||
| And he flew too close to the sun by encouraging and endorsing and supporting. | ||
| The hypothetical enactment of those things. | ||
| And he did that because of the bad information that Roger Stone was giving him. | ||
| And I think he's fucking pissed off about it. | ||
| I think that on some level he recognizes he showed ass. | ||
| And he's got to reclaim it somehow. | ||
| And what does he do? | ||
| He starts hanging out with the fucking Oath Keepers again. | ||
| I haven't heard them a ton on the show. | ||
| I haven't heard Stuart Rhodes a ton on the show. | ||
| I don't remember hearing him even in any of the episodes from 2015 that we were listening to in the ramp up to the election. | ||
| The only time I know him from in Alex Jones' rhetoric is 2009 at the beginning of the Tea Party. | ||
| He shows up throughout that, I'm sure. | ||
| He pops up during the Tea Party time when Alex is trying to reclaim that from Glenn Beck's 912 stuff. | ||
| To me, this is so fascinating because what do you do when that all goes bad? | ||
| You go back to, as best as you can tell, a similar spiritual version of it that you had before. | ||
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It's like going back to an ex. | |
| It's like he represents the militant, very close to violence, white supremacist version of Ron Paul's support. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Which is as close as Alex can get back to home. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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And that is what he yearns for in the day after this disastrous live stream where he ramped up that Trump is going to announce a national emergency. | |
| And then the only way he can really deal with it when it doesn't happen is to join a militia, blame, blame the globalists for threatening to collapse the economy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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| But then also saying like, well, I'm not. | ||
| That's the only move he can make, and that's the only narrative I can see moving forward, and he probably would love to do that with his old riding partners, the fucking Oath Keepers. | ||
| Do you think that that kind of signals a getting away from Roger Stone's palace intrigue? | ||
| It's way too early to tell, but possibly, yeah. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'd like it to. | ||
| But that failure of Roger Stone, Seems to be a pretty big one. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| But it's also a big one in a long line of them. | ||
| Roger's been wrong about a lot of stuff lately. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm never one who likes to make predictions. | ||
| I'm fine with analyzing what's being said and stuff like that. | ||
| But when it comes to that sort of stuff, I always feel like... | ||
| I think it's going this way, and then it ends up going the other. | ||
| I'm always wrong. | ||
| So far be it for me to say that, but it does feel like that would be... | ||
| That feels appropriate. | ||
| It feels appropriate right now. | ||
| Alex is trying to get away from whatever Roger has brought into his life, and it's this. | ||
| I'm going to stop doing this back-channel bullshit, and I'm going to get back to my roots, which is white people getting together and murdering. | ||
| It was better back then for his business. | ||
| It was better for all that. | ||
| No one kicked him off fucking YouTube and Facebook for that shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I feel like there might be a... | ||
| This might be the signaling of that part of the Behind the Music episode where it's like... | ||
| And that was the beginning of the turn. | ||
| Went back to his roots. | ||
| Alex Jones entered a studio with an acoustic guitar and decided to sing some hate songs. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So we have one more clip. | ||
| And this is just... | ||
| Can't imagine anything more clear than this. | ||
| And the truth is, you're a white person in Germany. | ||
| That's not allowed. | ||
| You see how people love to race war. | ||
| So they're just flipping it now. | ||
| Perfect for the Germans, where now it's get the white people. | ||
| And I see on Twitter and stuff that are saying, ban the German language. | ||
| People now believe that's Nazi. | ||
| There's an article right there. | ||
| That's exactly what John Waterman is talking about on his blog. | ||
| From a week ago about the Jews and Germany being the second Israel. | ||
| There's no difference between their rhetoric. | ||
| He's saying that white people in Germany are to be extinguished or vanished. | ||
| To be gotten rid of. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| There's nothing different between him and the people who are more overt and say the different words. | ||
| It's no different. | ||
| In summation. | ||
| I don't know how I'm going to do this. | ||
| In summation. | ||
| Yeah, let's fucking fly this plane home, Dan. | ||
| Look, the landing gear is stuck. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Alex Jones tried to do something ambitious in this two-day span. | ||
| But what he tried to do was a reveal of what's to come. | ||
| The apocalypse. | ||
| The revolution. | ||
| Armageddon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The war. | ||
| Literal war. | ||
| Direct, vengeance-filled war between the globalists and his nationalist armies. | ||
| It was going to be set off by Trump coming on air in the Oval Office, as Alex Jones pointed out, the place for war and the place for national emergency and security. | ||
| He was going to come on. | ||
| He was going to announce that. | ||
| The globalists are going to have a backlash, but the patriots were right, and so they were going to end up vanquishing them, killing them. | ||
| Trump's military police were going to clear out all the bad people, and the judiciary and the media was going to be reclaimed and all that stuff. | ||
| We are not fucking stupid, so we see through that, and we see what he's talking about is an authoritarian power grab, and Alex is super excited about that. | ||
| He doesn't go his way, and I think he realizes... | ||
| He has to pivot. | ||
| I think he has to. | ||
| Because this isn't the same as the Syria bombing. | ||
| It's not the same because in the sober morning light, he is sticking to it. | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
| I think that's the big difference that I'm taking away from... | ||
| That is certainly a difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, to me, when you play the clip from the next morning and it is a continuation... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| It's an escalation of his previous night's shit. | ||
| Whereas after the Syria bombing, that was a man drunkenly getting angry and screaming about shit. | ||
| And then in the next morning, he's like, well, you know... | ||
| I got talked down. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This morning is a... | ||
| You know, last night, I was like, I'll give him some time. | ||
| I'll say all this stuff. | ||
| And this morning, I'm thinking about it, and I continue thinking about it. | ||
| And I don't think he's going to come back my way. | ||
| And what that means to me, what I can suss from that, those differences of response to these events, is that in the prior event with the bombing of Syria, what got him off that ledge and got him back in pocket was the exact advice that he no longer trusts. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Whatever it was that got him back into the fold before is the thing that he's like... | ||
| That is what got me to say that there was going to be a fucking national emergency. | ||
| I was wrong publicly. | ||
| And that's Roger Stone. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, it has to be. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what this pretends, but I would love it to be a pivot because I think there's much more interesting fertile territory for Alex outside of Trump now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Although I don't know how much it matters because his true colors have shown. | ||
| Like, the mask has fallen off. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He wants... | ||
| Someone like Trump. | ||
| An authoritarian white nationalist. | ||
| To create a state of emergency wherein unlimited executive power can be expressed in order to get rid of the people he politically disagrees with in various media, judiciary, mayors, governors, that sort of shit. | ||
| So, I mean, it doesn't matter what he pivots to. | ||
| That's in his heart. | ||
| In the same way that when we went back and heard that clip from the 90s when he's talking about the leaderless resistance, which was clearly a reference to Louis Beam. | ||
| This is in his heart. | ||
| White nationalist, white supremacist ideology has always been a part of his rhetoric, no matter how much he's masked it. | ||
| And now we also know that a strong desire for that to be brought in through authoritarianism... | ||
| Fascism, strong-arm tactics, that has also probably always been in his heart. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, I don't care what he does, really. | ||
| Although, just from a performance standpoint, it would be more interesting, I guess. | ||
| It wouldn't change my feelings on him, but I guess it would be more interesting to disentangle. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I see so much of, because of all the stuff we've gone over. | ||
| So much of that couching of his real authoritarian white nationalist bent is similar to so many people who are less engaged. | ||
| Their talking points come from all of these different places. | ||
| And these people who are less engaged probably don't have an intellectual understanding of the underpinnings of their talking points, which are, of course, white nationalists, giving them the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| What they're doing is they're picking teams. | ||
| You know, this is my team, that's your team. | ||
| I'm going to go with my team no matter what. | ||
| And it is really important, in response to his rhetoric, and this is going to come from left field for me, you should talk to the people who are not engaged, who say things like this bullshit. | ||
| Very anti-Jordan. | ||
| Very anti-Jordan. | ||
| Because, you know, my family. | ||
| They are saying things so eerily and fucking consistently similar to Alex, and they don't realize that they're white nationalists. | ||
| Like, they just don't know. | ||
| They think they're Republicans, and it's turned into the same thing, and they didn't... | ||
| They didn't know that it was the same thing. | ||
| It's a frog in a pot kind of situation. | ||
| Gradually raising the temperature makes you not realize what has become of the thing you felt comfortable in for a time and is now boiling. | ||
| And it's going to be a shit conversation, but... | ||
| It's got to be something that we have to actually communicate, is that if you are a disengaged Republican, you are inexplicably, or no, you're very explicably now a white nationalist, and you've got to figure out how you got there. | ||
| You have someone like Steve King who's in office, and you can't square that with... | ||
| When did white nationalism become a bad term, Dan? | ||
| You can't square that with complacency. | ||
| There's no way to do that. | ||
| It's not okay. | ||
| And, yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| You should have those conversations with people, and it's possible to have those conversations with people. | ||
| It's not appropriate to just go and beat people up for... | ||
| Pick the right people, though, because you might get your ass kicked if you pick the wrong people. | ||
| It is still conducive to conversation to try and explain to people that what they are doing is tacitly supporting violence. | ||
| They're tacitly supporting violence against minorities, people with different gender expressions, people with medical conditions that people look down on. | ||
| Who are gay and lesbians, bisexuals, all of it. | ||
| It's tacit violence against them, and it's not okay. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| Oh, Dan, this was a fucking journey. | ||
| It was, and I think it's an important episode in terms of our coverage of Alex Jones. | ||
| I think it's really an illustrative... | ||
| I wanted to write a fucking long speech to give at the end of this that really ties a bunch of strings together. | ||
| But Trump already wrote it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You didn't have a chance. | ||
| And I also think that a lot of it is pretty clear. | ||
| I think what you see here is the mask falling off. | ||
| It's not forced. | ||
| It's an unforced error. | ||
| It is absolutely Alex showing his cards. | ||
| And it's embarrassing and pretty fucked up. | ||
| But it's also not news. | ||
| We already knew this stuff about him. | ||
| He's just demonstrating it publicly. | ||
| So we'll be back next week on Monday, but until then... | ||
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Yeah! | |
| We'll be back with probably a less... | ||
| Incredibly scary. | ||
| Not sure about that. | ||
| Oh, you son of a bitch! | ||
| We'll be back, though. | ||
| And until then, we have a website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We do! | ||
| We also have a Twittering account. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Wherein we Twitter. | ||
| It's knowledge underscore authoritarianism is great. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And we're on Facebook. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're a fascist. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's a great group that you can join. | ||
| We're also on iTunes. | ||
| We are on iTunes. | ||
| The name of our podcast on iTunes is Knowledge Fascism. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Guys, this has been a lot of fun. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| God. | ||
| All these people. | ||
| Do we have anybody who probably hasn't killed a guy? | ||
| Mike Adams' bad medical advice has probably killed someone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, that guy from Black Pill seems like a real shithead, but I bet he hasn't killed anybody. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Seems like he just has some bad film criticism and bad ideas about race relations. | ||
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That's probably true. | |
| Probably not killed anybody, but one guy who technically probably has. | ||
| That guy is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |