Today, Dan and Jordan go on a Wacky Wednesday adventure and check in on an interview Sweary Kerry did for Project Camelot back in April 2016. In this one, she interviews a guy who claims to have a background in intelligence, but also seems to have multiple ulterior motives motivating him.
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| Hey everybody, Dan here. | ||
| Just wanted to give a slight introduction to this episode because some of you out there might be asking yourselves, wait a second, Alex Jones' world is Looney Tunes right now. | ||
| It is crazy, out of control, with Donald Trump threatening or alleging or suggesting he's going to declare a national emergency and Alex being like, hooray about it. | ||
| Yeah, it is crazy. | ||
| And unfortunately, this episode does not cover any of that stuff. | ||
| The issue we had was that because of our schedules, we had to record this on Monday. | ||
| So it was before a lot of that stuff got going in earnest and before the cycle of Alex Jones' coverage and Trump's actual speech had a chance to play itself out. | ||
| So because of our time restraints and constriction this week, I decided we'll just go ahead with this Wacky Wednesday episode and then on Friday cover all of the happenings there. | ||
| So I know that everyone is probably very interested in hearing about that. | ||
| And trust me, Alex is way out of his mind and being a real dickhole. | ||
| But it'll be worth the wait. | ||
| We will have that episode for you on Friday. | ||
| But for now, please enjoy this episode where your Wednesday will get a little wacky. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Who's your favorite Spice Girl? | ||
| Spice Girls. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Probably Sporty. | ||
| Which one was Sporty Spice? | ||
| She was the one who wore athletic gear and do kicks around and stuff like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seemed like an interesting choice back then. | ||
| I don't think you know. | ||
| I think you're just reverse engineering her name. | ||
| You don't know anything about it. | ||
| No, Sporty Spice was one of them. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| No, I know Sporty Spice was one of them, but your defining characteristics are just if you asked a child what Sporty was like. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I felt like most people I knew or most dudes that I knew. | ||
| Who had crushes on one of the Spice Girls. | ||
| They would go with Baby if they were a creep. | ||
| Sure, I don't remember. | ||
| Or they would go with Jerry Ginger Spice if they were boring. | ||
| If they were sort of normal dudes. | ||
| And then I guess Posh Spice. | ||
| People were fans of hers. | ||
| And then Scary Spice. | ||
| And she was like married to Eddie Murphy. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not interested in this. | ||
| Oh, that's the scarier. | ||
| That's the scary part. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It turns out I have a lot of thoughts about Spice Girls. | ||
| I hadn't considered. | ||
| Haven't thought about them in a very long time. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| I also asked that question and I was like, I don't know who any of the Spice Girls are. | ||
| I think I remember Ginger. | ||
| I'm going to stick to my guns on this. | ||
| I like Sporty Spice. | ||
| You like Sporty Spice? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones and the Spice Girls. | ||
| And I don't know anything about either except for what you have told me so far. | ||
| Spice up your life, Jordan. | ||
| Was that a song of theirs? | ||
| Yes, it was. | ||
| Every boy and every girl, spice up your life. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Later hits after Wannabe. | ||
| So, Jordan, we had a fun, wacky Wednesday episode to go through today that I think will be an interesting journey for one and all, all involved in this here affair. | ||
| But before we get to today's show and the meat of it, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you to some of our donors. | ||
| Some people who have signed up for the show. | ||
| First of all, James, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, James. | ||
| Thank you very much, James. | ||
| Brent, also, thank you. | ||
| You are also now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Brent. | ||
| Thank you very much, Brent. | ||
| Next, George. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, George. | ||
| All King's versions of the Bible or a guy named Brent so far. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You are good at making connections. | ||
| Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| So, Lawrence, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| I'll honk to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
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Daddy Shark. | |
| Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much, Lawrence. | ||
| Thank you very much, Lawrence. | ||
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| We would appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| Hell yes. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we got ourselves an interesting Wacky Wednesday investigation. | ||
| We, you know, it's been a while since we've gone and checked in with Project Camelot to see how Carrie Cassidy is doing over there. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So I felt like it's due for us to go see. | ||
| Now, granted, she doesn't have any good episodes lately. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| It's been a no man's land over there. | ||
| That would be disastrous. | ||
| But I decided to look back through the archives and see if there's anything that would be relevant to our interests and maybe something that would be illuminating about a lot of the stuff that we cover. | ||
| And I happened to find an episode that she did in April 2016 with a gentleman by the Dr. John Waterman? | ||
| I should tell you, that's not his real name. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| He's using an alias. | ||
| Is he a real doctor? | ||
| Well, let's go to his introduction. | ||
| I don't even know why I asked the question. | ||
| We can find out if he's a real doctor or not. | ||
| What I'd like you to do is give some of your background for people that haven't been familiar with The Waterman Files. | ||
| The Waterman Files is his website, and I believe it's another shortwave show. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And John does a show weekly. | ||
| Maybe even daily. | ||
| I don't know how often you're doing it nowadays. | ||
| John, you can fill me in. | ||
| Go to Google it. | ||
| I do want to say that he was trained as an intelligence agent and decided not to pursue that line of work. | ||
| That happens a lot. | ||
| As a consequence, he's highly aware of what the intel agencies are doing. | ||
| He was also... | ||
| Head of one of the militia groups for a while. | ||
| And he can tell you more about that. | ||
| So, John, go ahead. | ||
| Spoiler alert, he doesn't tell us more about being the head of one of these militia groups. | ||
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What are you talking about? | |
| That's the only thing I want to know about! | ||
| I'm very curious about it myself. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| But it is interesting because John Waterman's not his real name, so it's not like I'm going to be able to find who he is. | ||
| I can't figure out who he is, and it's a fairly common name. | ||
| There's a number of... | ||
| You know, if you Google John Waterman, you're never going to be able to nail down exactly who this guy is. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| There was the film director. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Man. | ||
| John Waters, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| My name's, of course, synonymous with doctor, and yes, I am not a PhD. | ||
| I'm an ND. | ||
| Not an M. I am a doctor of biological medicine. | ||
| It's basically alternative drugless therapies that I provide. | ||
| He's a naturopath. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You're not a doctor. | ||
| So it is sort of like interesting that Dr. John Waterman is his name he's going by and he's neither a doctor nor a John Waterman. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which is a bad start to this interview. | ||
| I could call him not a Dr. John Waterman. | ||
| That would be fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a very literal... | ||
| Meaning of his name. | ||
| Not a doctor, not a John Waterman. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's his new name. | ||
| But he is on camera, so he can't be too interested in protecting his anonymity, because any number of people who may know him would see him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, whatever it is, it's all just kind of, you know, a little bit Connie kind of nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, it's a little showmanship. | ||
| So, at this point, he gets into how he became trained as an intelligence agent. | ||
| And that's my second career, and as I began this second career... | ||
| A fellow that then became a very, very good friend of mine, Frank Shin, who's now gone, was who recruited me. | ||
| He came to me when I was doing clinical work and said, I'd like to have you check me out. | ||
| So I did. | ||
| And he came back and he said, I need some more help. | ||
| And so about the third trip into me, he said, while I was doing clinicals, he says, I'd like to take you out for dinner. | ||
| So long story short, this Frank Shin is recruiting him. | ||
| He goes and he takes him out to dinner and he's like, I want to make you an agent or whatever. | ||
| And then he gets trained and all this. | ||
| He's involved in a bunch of stuff, but he's like, no, medicine is my true love. | ||
| You're a naturopath, first of all. | ||
| Second of all... | ||
| Big red flags with this story right off the bat. | ||
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Where? | |
| Of course, the person who could confirm all of this is gone. | ||
| I may have written that down as a big red flag. | ||
| I actually may have made a giant flag out of your red blanket. | ||
| Might be something that is super consistent in these worlds that make me very suspicious when I hear that is part of someone's backstory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anybody who can confirm all of this nonsense that I say. | ||
| He's gone now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Why aren't you giving me condolences? | ||
| Why are you asking me for more information? | ||
| You should be saying that you're sorry for my loss, too. | ||
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Well... | |
| Condolences. | ||
| So, he's not trying to frame this as, like, I got taught the ways of the agent, but then I walked away from it. | ||
| In this next clip, he's gonna explain he was in the shit. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| No, but he said he walked away from it! | ||
| He does say that later, but I don't understand at what point he walked away, because he's going to say that he was involved in, like... | ||
| The investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| And he says that the movie Spy Game is about him and this guy Frank. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Frank is Robert Redford and he is Brad Pitt. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| How does he look? | ||
| I'm not making... | ||
| He doesn't look like Brad Pitt. | ||
| I'm not making any of this up. | ||
| It's all in this next clip. | ||
| And I was in several places across this globe involved in things and he had me... | ||
| I ended up in rebellions like the Chiapas Rebellion in Mexico. | ||
| This is high-level stuff, man. | ||
| If he was involved in the investigation, like running down John Doe No. 2 after Oklahoma City, that's high-level clearance type stuff. | ||
| And being involved in a foreign revolution. | ||
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Also, can we just one more red flag? | |
| If his origin story is this Intellioperative from, and I assume he names the agency later on, I don't think so. | ||
| Isn't that another convenient aspect here? | ||
| It's CIA. | ||
| It's probably CIA or whatever. | ||
| So they are going to a naturopath who was working in a clinical setting at the time. | ||
| Mysteriously. | ||
| Working towards his not-a-doctorate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they went a few times. | ||
| So the first time he was going there to check them out and just be like, hey, I don't know if this naturopath is good enough for the psyops industry. | ||
| Go back again. | ||
| Go back one more time. | ||
| Then he invites him out to dinner. | ||
| Now, this, to me, suggests he thinks that we're talking men in black. | ||
| Because isn't that how Will Smith was? | ||
| That's not how they really recruit. | ||
| They don't take you out to dinner first, and then they're like, hey, join the CIA. | ||
| See, much like everybody else in these worlds, whether it's InfoWars or Project Camelot, they get most of their ideas about how things work off of movies. | ||
| But unlike those people, not only does he take his inspiration for movies, he himself is an inspiration for a movie. | ||
| During the Revolution. | ||
| Life imitates life. | ||
| And many other spots in the world. | ||
| So I think maybe when he called me and told me they made a movie about it, I thought he was joking, but he says, but I did pretty good. | ||
| I'm Robert Redford. | ||
| I said, well, you lucky duck. | ||
| And I began to realize at that point, He's not fooling. | ||
| This is not a joke. | ||
| And I said, Frank, how did they know? | ||
| And I started getting all upset. | ||
| And he says, hey. | ||
| And he never would answer. | ||
| He just said, hey, you did very good because you're not Robert Redford. | ||
| You're Brad Pitt. | ||
| I go, oh. | ||
| I said, you're serious? | ||
| And he just hung up. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why didn't he just hang up? | ||
| Because he's a goof. | ||
| Why wouldn't he just continue the conversation? | ||
| You're still friends, right? | ||
| No, it was time to go. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Time to go. | ||
| Frank had had enough. | ||
| It was conversation over. | ||
| You were Brad Pitt. | ||
| Bang! | ||
| Slamming down an 80s dial-up phone. | ||
| I imagine if that conversation happened, which it didn't. | ||
| But if it did, what it was was John over here, John Waterman, getting pissed off that he didn't get to be Robert Redford. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then the guy on the other end of the phone is like, you did pretty good. | ||
| You're Brad Pitt. | ||
| But it's in the middle of a fight and he's sick of the shit. | ||
| So he just hangs up. | ||
| Fuck you, you son of a bitch. | ||
| Leave me out of this! | ||
| So, I have a lot of concerns about his credentials. | ||
| I have a lot of concerns about his backstory. | ||
| But he's not here just to talk about his backstory. | ||
| Oh, he's here to tell us the future. | ||
| Well, kind of, yes. | ||
| And the present. | ||
| And that is, in 2016, the Earth was going through some changes. | ||
| There were some vibrational changes that were happening that were going to alter our DNA. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Didn't expect this turn. | ||
| Did he learn about that in naturopath school? | ||
| Robert Redford taught him about it. | ||
| And not a doctorate school? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| And we receive these messages and or changes in interpretations and we interpret them, the DNA interprets them. | ||
| And we can get into that in a minute because there's some new discoveries. | ||
| And one of the things that... | ||
| Okay, but I also want to say that, you know, the evidence was even Paul LaViolette talked about it. | ||
| He talked about, you know... | ||
| What is in essence a super wave that was possibly headed our direction. | ||
| But aside from that, that we're going through an area of space where this is going to happen. | ||
| And so the DNA is supposed to be changing. | ||
| This isn't a bad thing. | ||
| This is kind of like a reclamation of the 2012 Mayan apocalypse prophecies when it didn't come to pass, though. | ||
| A lot of that energy got funneled into vibrational changes happening another couple years down the road. | ||
| It's that sort of thing. | ||
| I just say my favorite, favorite, favorite parts of every, and I've missed it so much, my favorite part of every Project Camelot episode is the guest or Carrie just saying, uh-huh, or right. | ||
| To the single most outlandish, ridiculous possible thing that could possibly be said. | ||
| And they're just like, yeah, of course. | ||
| Move on. | ||
| That's taken as read. | ||
| It's kind of like a good improv game or whatever. | ||
| They're just like, I say something crazy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| Always affirm. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, of course we're going through an area of space where this might happen. | ||
| An area of space where they change our DNA. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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No, no. | |
| Keep going. | ||
| This is actually a good thing. | ||
| And, you know, I don't know what you're looking at or what evidence you're looking at, but I can tell you that it is raising the vibration of the planet and the humans. | ||
| Now, there are some people who won't be able to handle the vibration change. | ||
| And they'll go the opposite direction from what I... | ||
| It would be bad. | ||
| We have to be compatible with the... | ||
| Well, we could say the frequency that the planet emits. | ||
| It's kind of like either you're compatible and in tune with it or you're dissonant with it. | ||
| You will actually begin to buffer it rather than flow with it. | ||
| It's kind of like those movies like we see with Dune. | ||
| You know, let it flow through you. | ||
| Fear is not a problem. | ||
| Just let it flow. | ||
| And if you get in tune with it... | ||
| You're going to, in other words, resonate with it. | ||
| You're going to be much better off than trying to fight it. | ||
| He just goes on to explain, like, hey, it's like a current in a river. | ||
| You know, just more examples of, uh, don't fight it. | ||
| Could have just brought up a Kenny Loggins and Steve Perry song, Don't Fight It. | ||
| Could have. | ||
| Uh, but yeah. | ||
| Surprised that's not a Ted Nugent song. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, God, I just made myself feel bad. | ||
| Do you want to talk about Dune? | ||
| I don't need to. | ||
| I don't need to. | ||
| Everyone knows. | ||
| Everyone knows that's not the fucking quote, Dan. | ||
| And how dare you butcher those. | ||
| That's one of the best. | ||
| Frank Herbert did not write a lot of good lines. | ||
| He was a long writer. | ||
| Wrote a lot of lines. | ||
| He wrote a lot of lines. | ||
| Not a lot of good individual lines. | ||
| But the litany against fear from the Bene Gesserit is one of the best lines in the entire book. | ||
| And how dare you butcher it. | ||
| I think that's the least of his sins. | ||
| Oh, was there other things that he said? | ||
| I mean, I think there's some silliness with science, perhaps. | ||
| He stopped listening when he said, you know, some people are compatible with the Earth frequency. | ||
| That's an interesting thought. | ||
| I wonder if there's any differences between those sorts of people who are compatible and who aren't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what he thinks. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| There's definitely no reason for me to have said Jews immediately after he said that. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about, and I refuse to even address this. | ||
| Quite frankly, it's an offensive idea that this guy has some animosity towards Jewish people. | ||
| But this isn't really what this interview is about. | ||
| Even this idea of vibrational changes and all that stuff is kind of secondary to what Carrie wants to talk about, which is... | ||
| I believe her big issue on this episode is earthquakes. | ||
| She wants to talk about earthquakes that are coming because she had recently come into the possession of a map that showed where a lot of recent earthquakes were. | ||
| So just like a map? | ||
| She has some suspicions about the placement of these. | ||
| Was it a map of the Pacific Rim? | ||
| The Ring of Fire? | ||
| It's involved. | ||
| But she has some suspicions about it, and that leads her to explain that she is a precog, which we already knew. | ||
| Oh yeah, of course. | ||
| There's a very weird, I'm going to find a map to show everyone, it's on Iris, that shows you the entire, what you call the Ring of Fire. | ||
| And you can see that the United States is actually on the West Coast right now kind of empty of earthquakes, very strangely, while the other side has got a lot of activity. | ||
| And again, I think this is caused by manipulation. | ||
| So whether they're trying to build the energy and then cause a huge earthquake. | ||
| And let me just say that Sean David Morton reported on my show that he knows someone who... | ||
| He's an older Israeli man who apparently correctly predicted some things in the past. | ||
| Remember that Sean David Morton is the con man who got arrested when he left that conspiracy cruise and also defrauded Carrie of tens of thousands of dollars. | ||
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Such a great, such a hero of our times. | |
| What a weirdo. | ||
| Why does she still listen to him? | ||
| Because, come on, man! | ||
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Did you hear that he got arrested coming off of a cruise ship? | |
| That's a fucking baller move. | ||
| Including the 2008 crash. | ||
| And he is saying that in November of this year, there's going to be a major event that's larger than 9-11, quote-unquote. | ||
| Recently, Sean sent me a text saying it's going to be an LA quake. | ||
| How'd that go? | ||
| Now, whether that's true or not, I don't know. | ||
| I have seen... | ||
| I'm a precog, and lots of precogs have this, where we've seen a major quake in L.A. There are going to be major volcanic eruptions as well. | ||
| Now, how much of this is natural, and how much is humanly engineered? | ||
| Because we have a secret government, and the Illuminati, as we call them, who have a program, an agenda that they're working for. | ||
| And if it doesn't happen naturally, they will stimulate it to happen. | ||
| So this is really important. | ||
| She's talking about CERN, basically, in terms of being able to control all this stuff that she's afraid that the Illuminati, the secret government, or the globalists are doing. | ||
| I mean, one of the things is it's all good and well to... | ||
| Like, talk about the alien stuff and all that. | ||
| But you also do need to recognize that behind that, she has the exact same conception with slightly different character names and more creativity as Alex does. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In terms of the cabal that's ruling the world. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And what have you. | ||
| So, you know, you see these indications here. | ||
| And more what I want to say is, if she is precognitive, if she is psychic, she shouldn't keep having weirdos on her show. | ||
| That are so, like, she should have seen Sean David Morton ripping her off coming. | ||
| She should have seen that Eddie Page is a racist Pleiadian. | ||
| She should have seen all those things coming in advance. | ||
| No gift is perfect, Dan. | ||
| This one seems very imperfect. | ||
| No, the best baseball players on the planet still get a hit only 365% of the time. | ||
| What? | ||
| No. | ||
| Look, I'm just saying. | ||
| I'm saying that we have to believe one of two things. | ||
| Either she's not... | ||
| Precognitive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or she is and enjoys being around these sorts of people. | ||
| Which would be fun. | ||
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Which is... | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| If she was a psychic fucking with us, specifically? | ||
| Like, eventually she knew that a show like ours would come about so she could fuck with us by having all these weirdos on and still make a little bit of change on the side for her? | ||
| That's great! | ||
| That's not what I was thinking of. | ||
| I was thinking of more that she's a psychic and she can tell that Eddie Page is a racist Pleiadian and then invites him on. | ||
| Because that's the message she wants to put out into the world. | ||
| She's playing the long game. | ||
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She's playing us. | |
| She's either a psychic or she's racist. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's the two of us. | ||
| She has been seeing us coming for forever. | ||
| She knew it was going to happen. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
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That happened. | |
| A lot of precogs have predicted a large earthquake in L.A. Oh, yeah? | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| A lot of scientists have, too. | ||
| It's strange that a lot of people, for a place that's notorious for having lots of earthquakes, the idea of predicting a large one does not seem too far outside of the realm of possibility. | ||
| A lot of precogs have predicted one in central Missouri, too. | ||
| Like the New Madrid Fault. | ||
| A lot of precogs have seen something there, too. | ||
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A lot of precogs? | |
| Yeah, a lot of precogs. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| This is whack. | ||
| But it's not nearly as bad as what's about to happen, because Waterman wants to get into, like... | ||
| Something that happened to him recently. | ||
| He's undergone some of these earth changes, these vibrational changes that are happening, and he has a story that he wants to tell Carrie about it, and this is nuts. | ||
| The changes that are occurring on this planet, I began to seriously make note of it starting last November when I ended up in an emergency room three times. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| Didn't go to a naturopath. | ||
| What ended up happening is that... | ||
| I was literally in a very serious state. | ||
| I was bleeding without being cut. | ||
| I was going, holy cow, what's going on in the past? | ||
| I had a severe abdominal pain, and I passed out. | ||
| I was bleeding from my bowels, and I was in an emergency room. | ||
| I went back in another week. | ||
| I went back in another week, and they're doing all these panels. | ||
| They can't find anything they did. | ||
| They did CAT scans, they did x-rays, they did blood tests, they did cultures to see if I was poisoned. | ||
| They couldn't find a thing. | ||
| There was not a thing they could find. | ||
| Until I had a serendipitous event where a fellow out of Texas sent me an email that said something about a coronal mass ejection. | ||
| So I go, oh, interesting. | ||
| That is interesting. | ||
| So you just had to shit really hard. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's a coronal mass ejection. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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All right. | |
| He's talking about solar flares. | ||
| He's talking about sunspots. | ||
| I thought he meant a colonel. | ||
| No, it's very close by the letter. | ||
| But no, so he's had this serious health issue, whatever. | ||
| I think that anybody who actually has studied medicine could probably come up with a better diagnosis than I can. | ||
| So I'm not even going to hazard a guess. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Whatever it is. | ||
| He's a man of a certain age. | ||
| You know, he's not a young spring chicken. | ||
| Unlike many people we talk about, we are not doctors, and we do not say that we are doctors. | ||
| Try not to pretend that. | ||
| So he had something happening, and then he gets an email about a guy who's bringing up solar flares, and he's like, huh. | ||
| Better talk to my doctor. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Well, he doesn't talk to his doctor. | ||
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That's odd. | |
| He talks to somebody else. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And then somebody called me and said, I think I know what it is. | ||
| Now, this is a remote healer. | ||
| I think what's going on with you has to do with this, maybe. | ||
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And I said, hmm. | |
| So I checked these new coronal mass ejections that had come out, and I started plotting them with my emergency room visits. | ||
| And for some reason, out of the blue, I became very sensitive to them. | ||
| I mean, extremely sensitive. | ||
| Now, it could be because something was done to me to make me sensitive, or there was literally something happening. | ||
| But I have now got a calendar where I can track it because I am very careful and aware of what might be coming. | ||
| And I can tell you I'm extremely sensitive to a lot of things. | ||
| I can walk out on a day. | ||
| Where there's a lot of UV, higher levels of it. | ||
| And I can't be out in it. | ||
| I can feel it. | ||
| So all of a sudden, in November, I have become very sideways of a lot of this. | ||
| And this is not good stuff. | ||
| This isn't like higher vibration stuff. | ||
| This is attacks of some sort. | ||
| So everybody has been helping. | ||
| I had one remote viewer, not viewer, but remote healer contact me. | ||
| And ask me permission to work on me. | ||
| And I said, that'd be great. | ||
| And the very first thing they said, they called me back and said, I can't get anywhere because you've been attacked. | ||
| They're blocking everything. | ||
| And that's when we started having to really investigate this potential about warfare at a level we haven't thought about. | ||
| If he's making this up, how do you explain the remote healer telling him that he's being attacked? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| It's impossible to explain how that might be a scam also. | ||
| I'm not gonna... | ||
| All I'm saying, and look, if you want to believe what you want to believe, stop believing in remote healers. | ||
| Because if a remote healer existed, even one, even one who is, like, okay at it. | ||
| They'd be a tribillionaire! | ||
| Like, there would be a whole new class of money to invent just for this healer. | ||
| Or, you'd have to, like, you would have to then assume that they wish ill on mankind. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Because there's so many people who aren't getting healed. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Well, if you have that gift, you better never stop working, because you are the only one. | ||
| You know what's crazy? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| The insurance industry does cover remote healing. | ||
| That is weird. | ||
| They do not cover any pre-existing conditions. | ||
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That's part of Trump care. | |
| It's crazy, but they do cover remote healers. | ||
| I just think, like, yeah, when your condition is I'm sensitive to solar flares, that's exactly when you need a remote healer because it's a zero. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, go for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, at the end of that, I love that little turn that he makes where the remote healer tells him that he's being attacked so the remote healing isn't working, and that leads him to investigate this. | ||
| Because I'm like, how do you investigate this? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Well, he's been attacked. | ||
| He emailed the remote healer back and he was like, hey, who attacked me? | ||
| The remote healer was like, I will tell you that for another 50 bucks. | ||
| Literally outside of that, what is the investigation? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| You just start looking around to see if anybody's attacked you. | ||
| Now I'm afraid of the sun. | ||
| Now I'm there. | ||
| Now I'm ready for the attack. | ||
| I guess the only thing is like stay indoors during a solar flare, I guess. | ||
| Did you read a book? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe a Google. | ||
| So anyway. | ||
| We assume that it's some sort of a solar flare thing that's the culprit. | ||
| Yes, we do assume that. | ||
| But, you know what? | ||
| John Waterman has some other ideas. | ||
| I think I was being attacked. | ||
| I think I did somehow get poisoned. | ||
| In fact, they did find some poison. | ||
| I'd like to take you back to ten minutes ago when he said they did a bunch of screens to see if I was poisoned and found nothing. | ||
| Seems very contradictory. | ||
| Maybe this remote healer found some poison. | ||
| They found some poison. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What isn't poison at the end of the day? | ||
| Hey, moderation in all things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I don't know how. | ||
| I have no clue. | ||
| Everybody, it could be remotely done. | ||
| So, it's been a very interesting experience since... | ||
| Mid-November, actually, late November. | ||
| Well, mid-November. | ||
| Thank you, John. | ||
| I'm very happy that you made it through and you survived. | ||
| I had my own attack back a year ago. | ||
| And so I definitely know where you're coming from. | ||
| I had a number of psychics look at the information of what happened to me. | ||
| And it was, as I say, it was a scalar attack. | ||
| It goes, in essence, interdimensional. | ||
| And it's interesting what people that are out in the public eye... | ||
| How they can go under attack by various groups and of course the Illuminati are going to concentrate on those of us who can influence others because of what we're saying and what we're putting out there information-wise. | ||
| They're too powerful. | ||
| And so the Illuminati is going to focus their energy on people like a Carrie, people like a John Waterman. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Gotta get John Waterman. | ||
| If I'm the Illuminati, I'm thinking, get not a Dr. John Waterman out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're the ones who are the targets of these interstellar, intergalactic, interdimensional, scalar attacks. | ||
| Or they, I don't know, ate something bad. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I will tell you. | ||
| The extent to which he is describing the powerful is mind-boggling. | ||
| In his world, there are both remote healers and remote poisoners. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So there's a constant never-ending remote poison healing battle going on, and he's taking it so well, he's just like, well, you know, I go outside, and they can poison you anywhere, but, hey, what are you gonna do? | ||
| What are you gonna live in fear? | ||
| Gotta keep living. | ||
| He's just fine with that! | ||
| That's the most terrifying possible thing! | ||
| Well, but see, that's the thing, is you're not a real man, because a real man... | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Creeps behind the curtain and he sees that Lovecraftian eldritch horror. | ||
| And he doesn't lose his mind. | ||
| He keeps on fighting. | ||
| He says the litany against fear. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| You keep going in the face of this terrible, otherworldly, awful reality that you've now become aware of. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| People who don't have the good, strong stuff. | ||
| Those are the people who see that and they turn tail and start working with the Illuminati. | ||
| Or they just become... | ||
| Shut-ins. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, all I'm saying, it seems like a very rational decision. | ||
| If you have on one side the people who look behind the curtain and are like, I'm going to keep fighting. | ||
| And then on the other side, you look behind the curtain and you see the Illuminati has remote healers and remote poisoners. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I see no evidence that the Illuminati has remote healers. | ||
| We only know of them as being good guys. | ||
| Ooh, I did not know that. | ||
| In this world so far, we've only heard of them as being on the side of the weirdos. | ||
| Well, you gotta get a remote healer, Illuminati. | ||
| What are you guys fucking doing? | ||
| You're losing! | ||
| I think it's implied they do have one, but they seem to only be poisoning people through interdimensional scalar attacks. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| Scalers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we got the earthquakes that obviously the Illuminati are going to precipitate. | ||
| We've got these earth changes and vibration and stuff like that. | ||
| We're going through a part of space! | ||
| That are causing John Waterman to shit blood. | ||
| Watch out! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we got all this. | ||
| But about halfway through the episode, Carrie finally gets to what the bread and butter is. | ||
| What she wants to spend most of her time talking about because John fancies himself an expert in a couple of topics. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| I have one question that has to do with... | ||
| What you were talking about with regard to FEMA and where they're deploying. | ||
| And then I'd like, I know we're going for a long time, but I'd like you to also address the financial meltdown because that was part of our sort of subject list. | ||
| His two topics are two of the main things that Alex Jones covers on his show. | ||
| The idea that FEMA is somehow up to some shit. | ||
| And the coming financial meltdown. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| I am a former Intel agent who has been orchestrating coups and fighting fucking the John Doe number two. | ||
| But guess what I'm an expert on? | ||
| Financial crises. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| I, too, was trained by Edward Shin to be a stocks and bonds trainer. | ||
| Frank Shin. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, this is his brother. | ||
| Oh, his brother who was in finances. | ||
| Who is also passed, yes. | ||
| I'd love to have him confirm that for you. | ||
| He's been dead. | ||
| So yeah, and FEMA, like those two things are like so central to Alex's stuff. | ||
| So, you know, we have this guy coming in as a supposed expert of some variety. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And here's what he has to say about FEMA. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| That's the thing. | ||
| I actually think that FEMA is more about... | ||
| Populations that will be on the move. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I think they're kind of, let's say you've got a bottle and everybody's down in the bottle and everybody has to go through the bottleneck to get out, right? | ||
| They're putting femur right there at the bottleneck. | ||
| They're going to kind of like, oh, you need help? | ||
| We're right here. | ||
| It's like they're getting ready like a catcher to catch the ball. | ||
| Come on, throw me the ball. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they are an emergency management agency, so you want to manage an emergency response. | ||
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And one of the ways you do that is by creating a bottleneck. | |
| But I don't think that that's actually accurate. | ||
| No, of course it's not. | ||
| But this is the conception of the camps. | ||
| Like, they're just phrasing it differently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the idea of, you know, when a crisis happens, FEMA is there to cut off the flow of people, which is... | ||
| Just because they're not clearly specifying the camp aspect of it, they do believe that. | ||
| Oh yeah, of course. | ||
| That is the exact same idea. | ||
| This evil FEMA organization is only operating because of these crises that the Illuminati is going to perpetuate. | ||
| They're going to do that, then the solution is going to be what they already have in mind, which is cutting off bottlenecking camps. | ||
| Gotta have camps. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Got all this Alex shit here, man. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| No, it makes perfect sense. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And I think this is a little bit underwhelming, but I promise you there will be, like, as we get through this, there will be, you'll see crystal clearly why this is important. | ||
| Can I ask you a question? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why is not a Dr. John Waterman an expert on FEMA camps? | ||
| Because he is a former intelligence agent and has read a blog or two, maybe? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think he... | ||
| He doesn't specify any, like, real credentials. | ||
| He talks about, like, sources he has and stuff like that. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Anonymous, vague... | ||
| Always sources. | ||
| Yeah, I have a lot of chatter coming in. | ||
| Oh, if the chatter's coming in, I gotta listen to that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we got that. | ||
| We got the FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| And then the other subject they wanted to talk about was this financial crash. | ||
| This meltdown of the economy that's coming. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Hey, hey. | ||
| You can say that Carrie is just coming out of this out of nowhere. | ||
| You can even say John is coming out of this out of nowhere. | ||
| But no, you should know that 10 years ago, Carrie knew the financial collapse was coming right about when this episode happened. | ||
| Henry Deacon, around 10 years ago, told Camelot that it wasn't going to be one set of circumstances that was going to happen in the future. | ||
| And they even told us. | ||
| 2016 and 2017. | ||
| These are the years, guys, that we were told about 10 years ago. | ||
| He said that it was going to be a series of things that would all happen at the same time. | ||
| So it's not just that we're going to have a major earthquake. | ||
| And that's where I want to get into the financial talk now. | ||
| You know, you do have some knowledge in that area, and there's no doubt that we're being hit financially, and there is a planned complete change in the system that is supposed to have a deadline of the end of 2016. | ||
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Is there? | |
| We at Camelot were told this by not just one witness, but many witnesses. | ||
| Turns out they were all wrong. | ||
| So what do you have to say about that part? | ||
| Well, we have... | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Did I say something? | ||
| I got an echo here. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to mute myself. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| I didn't mean for you to have to do that. | ||
| Where we can begin talking about this is that the dollar has been recognized, the U.S. dollar, has been recognized as a major economic weapon of war. | ||
| So, it should surprise you not at all to know that on his blog, The Waterman Files, on December 14, 2018, he posted this. | ||
| Quote, the Federal Reserve Act passed by three senators in a unanimous vote on the 23rd of December, 1913, while everyone else was home for the holidays. | ||
| So, cool. | ||
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Cool, cool, cool. | |
| That's awesome. | ||
| Isn't that fun? | ||
| This is another one of those... | ||
| Guys, look. | ||
| The way our system is currently instituted, there will be another financial crash. | ||
| That's literally how it works now. | ||
| They changed the rules, and they will not change them back to ensure that every now and then there will be a massive financial crash. | ||
| This is predicting an earthquake in L.A. Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's not that they got rid of those rules in order to cause a collapse. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a byproduct of it that... | ||
| People who are benefiting from those changes of rules are insulated from by virtue of them being super-duper rich. | ||
| Right! | ||
| They don't feel the consequences of it nearly as much as the people who are hurt by it. | ||
| So that's why they have no impetus to change those rules back to when there were protections in place. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Are you going to protect the workers? | ||
| Yeah, please. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| What for? | ||
| So we've got this idea that he's putting forth that is that you have... | ||
| The dollar is a weapon of some sort. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Clearly he believes that it was set up in 1913 by these globalist Illuminati bankers. | ||
| Those three fucking senators. | ||
| Three senators. | ||
| Everybody else is not paying attention. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And they just snuck through the Federal Reserve. | ||
| And so that's going to precipitate a financial meltdown. | ||
| Kerry's being super irresponsible by... | ||
| Going with these dates and pretending she's known for 10 years that there's a deadline of the end of 2016. | ||
| Because it's too easy to look back on and be like, well, you were very wrong about that. | ||
| So you were wrong for 10 years about that. | ||
| It's not even just a bad prediction. | ||
| All those sources you had were very wrong. | ||
| So there's that piece of it. | ||
| In his conception, it is this idea that because of the fiat currency, the dollar, that is what's going to cause the financial meltdown. | ||
| So it shouldn't surprise you at all that he's also into hard currency. | ||
| The thing that we've got going then is anything that is a threat to the dollar then is an enemy of the powers that be. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Bottom line. | ||
| Gold and silver. | ||
| It's an enemy. | ||
| So they controlled it by having these London trading desks where the Rothschilds and Illuminati of the world made sure that the value of gold stayed down. | ||
| So the Rothschilds and the Illuminati were suppressing the price of gold. | ||
| Alex Jones, when he's trying to sell Ted Anderson's gold, constantly talks about how the globalists are suppressing the price of gold. | ||
| So buy it now before it skyrockets. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| And when the economy falls apart, that price of gold is going to skyrocket. | ||
| This is exactly the same shit. | ||
| You're going to be the big short all over again. | ||
| This is exactly the same shit. | ||
| Hi, I'm not a Dr. John Waterman, suggesting that you buy not a gold bar. | ||
| Please feel... | ||
| Feel free to buy as many not-a-gold bars as you would like to buy from not-a-doctor John Waterman. | ||
| This is a message approved by not anybody else. | ||
| I think he has a decent radio voice, but outside of that, I got, like, almost everything he seems unqualified to speak on, and he's not making a lot of sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he is sounding a lot like these same paranoid, conspiratorial, you know, patriot-type community people, which makes sense when we heard earlier that he used to head a militia. | ||
| I really want to know more about that militia thing. | ||
| I really wish I had anything to tell you about it. | ||
| I wish you would have said the name of the militia so I have somewhere to go. | ||
| But who knows? | ||
| It was called the United States Army is what it was called, Dan. | ||
| The greatest militia in the world. | ||
| So John isn't on here just to tell you that gold is really cool. | ||
| He has some other more specific piece of advice to give you. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And so they opened up an exchange. | ||
| They cannot call them banks because that's a term for Federal Reserve money. | ||
| What about blood banks? | ||
| What about sperm banks? | ||
| You can't call that because it's not Federal Reserve money? | ||
| No, those are actually... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| They're insured. | ||
| You can insure up to $250,000 worth of sperm. | ||
| I know that's true. | ||
| When he says they there, he's talking about the people in Utah. | ||
| Utah is one of the only... | ||
| I think it's the only state. | ||
| In 2011, they made it so you can use gold and silver in order to pay... | ||
| For, like, debts and stuff like that. | ||
| Even your taxes and stuff like that. | ||
| So that got changed, and so there's, like, exchanges that have opened in Utah around this gold and silver market that is much different than it is in other states. | ||
| So that's what he's talking about here. | ||
| Or central fiat money. | ||
| So they opened up this group. | ||
| The first one that's opened that I like is U-P-M-A. | ||
| That's the abbreviation. | ||
| U-P-M-A dot org. | ||
| If you go there, you'll see some videos of the Attorney General of the State talking. | ||
| You'll see a CEO that's running for governor. | ||
| By the way, he runs Overstock. | ||
| Overstock.com. | ||
| So, I have almost no doubt in my mind that he's getting money from UPMN. | ||
| Yeah, $100 million percent. | ||
| The United Precious Metals Association. | ||
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What? | |
| Of course. | ||
| My reasons for that are, one, he later says he's not getting paid. | ||
| That means he's getting paid. | ||
| I suspect he's getting paid. | ||
| I'm not trying to brag here, but I'm not getting paid by UMA.org. | ||
| Second, he has ads for them on his website, which makes me think that maybe he has a financial interest in there. | ||
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Nah! | |
| And then third, you hear the way he's presenting this. | ||
| It's like, the one that I really like is this. | ||
| And then talks about, like, you go to the website, you see the Attorney General there. | ||
| He's talking about how great UPMA is. | ||
| The CEO from Overstock? | ||
| You know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That thing? | ||
| It's all real credible stuff, and you should go there. | ||
| You should? | ||
| You should go check it out. | ||
| So we've now turned the corner here, I think, into this point of the show where he's trying to spread fear about, you know, fiat currency and a coming meltdown and stuff like that. | ||
| To anyone paying close attention, you've got to be like, hold on now. | ||
| Are you only doing that because you have a financial interest in UPMA? | ||
| Because it seems like you might. | ||
| He's running the two-man game that Alex and Ted used to do by himself. | ||
| Yeah, Carrie is not really aware of that. | ||
| I think she's blindsided by this. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| This is exactly like that time Peter Schiff was on the Joe Rogan podcast. | ||
| He went on and was talking about how great gold is and how the market's unsecure and stuff like this. | ||
| And Rogan's just like, whoa, like through most of it. | ||
| And then at the end, Peter Schiff says, also... | ||
| I want to plug my gold-selling business. | ||
| Whatever, it's like that sort of reveal toward Dan. | ||
| You're like, oh, man. | ||
| Also, the way he said U-P-M-A. | ||
| I'm going to say that again. | ||
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U-P-M-A dot org. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Visit their website. | ||
| That is a man who's given a sales pitch in the past. | ||
| That's a man who's a naturopath, Dr. Dan. | ||
| Yeah, it feels that way. | ||
| And so in this next clip, we get... | ||
| I think that this is almost exactly like how Alex does ad pivots. | ||
| Maybe not as bracing, maybe it doesn't take a turn as quickly, but what you see here is an insanely irresponsible level of fear-mongering that precipitates and leads directly into him bringing back up UPMA and how you should buy gold from them. | ||
| Coming up through June and July, you're going to see... | ||
| I think you're going to see some of the big banks collapse. | ||
| I think you're going to then see at the end of July the beginning of hyperinflation. | ||
| Now, I've got some numbers on how bad that hyperinflation is going to be. | ||
| And so this late summer, early fall, we're going to begin this hyperinflation. | ||
| It's going to get so bad. | ||
| I've got numbers telling me that you'll go to the grocery store on Monday and buy groceries, and when you go back Tuesday, in one day's period of time, your groceries are going to be 9% more. | ||
| Can I pay for my groceries Tuesday? | ||
| It'll be another 9%. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| I mean, in a week's time, we're talking about a 75% increase in your food. | ||
| Check those numbers. | ||
| That means that in a couple months, people will... | ||
| Have to choose. | ||
| Do I pay my house payment, or my car payment, or do I eat? | ||
| And this is where we're going, and it's going to be starting late summer. | ||
| Now, in the meantime, if you go to upma.org, you can kind of set you up, and I hate to say it, a bank account. | ||
| But this is not a bank, okay? | ||
| So let's say you put $1,000 in there. | ||
| They will buy gold or silver, whichever you want, or a combination. | ||
| You tell them what percentage you want all that to be. | ||
| So it's basically a place where they buy the gold, they hold it, and you have a debit card where you can use the amount of the gold that you have. | ||
| It's basically like that. | ||
| You don't even get your own gold. | ||
| So it's not even a bank. | ||
| It's a bank from the fucking gold rush. | ||
| You put a nugget in there and they're like, this is work, $40, and you have $40 of credit to spend. | ||
| There are a lot of operations like that in terms – in the gold and silver precious metals business. | ||
| The idea of like they have vaults and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So they'll hold it for you. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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But it is yours. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Like there is a lot of stuff like that. | |
| No, I'm sure it's all in the up and up. | ||
| No, come on. | ||
| Just ask to see your gold. | ||
| The way that clip ended, I can't hear any other way than a sales pitch. | ||
| Because he's like, let me tell you how it works. | ||
| I don't want to call it a bank account, but if you put $1,000... | ||
| Here, what do I need to do to get you to sign up for an account, Kerry? | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| So here, I'm not going to call this a bank. | ||
| But say you have $1,000 in United States dollars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But what if you have $1,000 in gold? | ||
| That sounds good. | ||
| That has no country. | ||
| Sounds great. | ||
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All right? | |
| Now you put that into a place where somebody else gets to hold on to it. | ||
| And then they give you a representation of that money that you can use in the form of a card. | ||
| See, but it's plastic, not paper, so it's not fiat. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Yeah, they don't use your full name on this card. | ||
| They use your fake name, not a Dr. John Waterman. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| I just see, like, this is a scam. | ||
| But it's a scam being run on Carrie, which is kind of interesting. | ||
| Like, he's abusing her platform. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| She wanted to talk about earthquakes and how DNA is changing and all that shit. | ||
| And maybe some stuff about financial trouble that she's known about for ten years that doesn't come to pass that she insists is going to. | ||
| But it's clear that even she can tell, like, in the moment a little bit that this is like... | ||
| Oh, did she get it? | ||
| She doesn't get mad at him or anything like that like she does when someone insults Mark Richards. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But you can get a sense that she's at least suspicious of his actions. | ||
| There's a little bit there. | ||
| Because I'm listening to it and I'm thinking he's not doing a terrible job. | ||
| If I were casually listening, I wouldn't even have noticed the very obvious ad pivot from... | ||
| Oh, I would have. | ||
| I would have, but I'm hypervigilant about these sorts of things. | ||
| But yeah, it is as smooth as it can be. | ||
| If you're a guest on somebody else's show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you are already in that world and you have no reason to suspect people are running cons on you all the time, then you'd just be passively listening and be like... | ||
| Oh, UPMA sounds good. | ||
| I predicted a financial crash was occurring. | ||
| I don't have a financial interest in UPMA, so that's why I'm not bringing them up. | ||
| I don't know why you would bring them up, probably because you have a financial interest in UPMA. | ||
| But I know the financial crash is coming, and maybe you're right, because so far you have been right about... | ||
| Seems like everything. | ||
| Has he been right about anything? | ||
| And he's right about this next prediction that he makes. | ||
| I gotta be honest, I don't like to give it up to these people. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| No. | ||
| And they plan on letting this country have a revolution. | ||
| In fact, I have a lot of information saying that we're probably heading into the second American Revolution right after the Republican Convention. | ||
| So, kind of put that on your... | ||
| Now, like you said, anything could be planned. | ||
| So that is the way he introduces the idea that the Second American Revolution is coming around the Republican Convention, and then anything could be planned. | ||
| And what that is to say is that's the beginning of him being like, hey, anything could happen, but this is just what I've heard a whole lot about. | ||
| I have a lot of secret people telling me all these secret things, that the revolution is coming. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't happen. | ||
| Did not happen. | ||
| Oh, you know, anything. | ||
| Hey, look. | ||
| Look. | ||
| In a world where there's remote poisoners and remote healers, fucking anything could happen. | ||
| I have my group of remote occasional Financial Times readers telling me that the Second American Revolution is happening. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| The convention wasn't in the fall. | ||
| It was in the summer. | ||
| Oh, it was? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the Summer of Rage might still be in play. | ||
| The Republican one is in August? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| I don't remember exactly. | ||
| But still in the summer. | ||
| It is still in the summer, that's true. | ||
| And that's important for this next clip. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| We have a lot yet to talk about, Kerry, that I've got information, more information about the economy, and I've got some very interesting, more research about certain groups. | ||
| Red flag. | ||
| And what they're planning to do. | ||
| With this kind of stuff like DNA, it's been very enlightening even to me. | ||
| But I think this is a... | ||
| Globalist. | ||
| If you were going to say it, this is going to be a very hot summer. | ||
| Politically hot. | ||
| Emotionally hot. | ||
| Financially troubling hot. | ||
| Geopolitically hot. | ||
| In every aspect. | ||
| Like you were saying, it's not one thing. | ||
| It's multiple things. | ||
| Summer of rage. | ||
| It's the summer of rage, baby. | ||
| So interesting. | ||
| Like, it's the exact same idea, but also that does fall under the heading of dumb predictions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it's 2016. | ||
| There's a contested, seemingly very contentious presidential election happening. | ||
| No! | ||
| From who? | ||
| But, like, him saying that it's going to be a politically hot summer, it's going to be an emotional hot summer, like, all that stuff. | ||
| No shit, man. | ||
| Do you mean in the year of a presidential election? | ||
| Yeah, how could it not be? | ||
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No. | |
| There's one where a notorious asshole is running for president? | ||
| Or, like, name one other summer of presidential election where there was a summer of rage going on. | ||
| I think a lot of them, probably. | ||
| What about 2012? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How about 2008? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What about 2004? | ||
| But it's not a summer of rage the way all of these people say it. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| They mean it very specifically. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because he even said there's a fucking American Revolution that's going to kick off. | ||
| I know, and if there was... | ||
| It's not just about, like, yes, it's going to be an acrimonious time between people. | ||
| We're not going to have a great time. | ||
| Tempers are going to rise. | ||
| Like, that sort of thing. | ||
| Facebook's going to be a cesspool. | ||
| That prediction is a zero. | ||
| But, you know, you could make it and just be saying nothing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you say a summer of rage in this sense, you mean it in a particular context. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| You're only doing that in service of trying to sell this gold. | ||
| Some groups. | ||
| See, now that's where we need to probably start having a conversation. | ||
| Groups. | ||
| Some of them are planning things. | ||
| Some groups not. | ||
| And the way I said that kind of suggests that I am not talking about the good guys, Dan. | ||
| No, it seems like the bad guys. | ||
| And I'm guessing that the bad guys all share one very specific thing in common. | ||
| So that was a red flag to me in where I was like, whoa, this Waterman might not be cool. | ||
| Might not be just some silly crazy dude. | ||
| So I went to his website, the Waterman Files. | ||
| And beyond whatever issues you might have about his, like, fake credentials and stuff, if you check out that website, some problems jump out immediately. | ||
| From a blog post on December 28th, 2018, quote, as World War II came to an end, plans were in the works to purge the German race from the planet. | ||
| Then the Zionists took over Germany, often called Second Israel. | ||
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Yeesh. | |
| Germany has been the brunt of the NWO Zionist agenda ever since. | ||
| Ever since the end of World War II, Jews slash Zionists have pounded the media or pounded the minds of people with anti-German Nazi propaganda. | ||
| So the minute someone even mentions German military, they think it's a fascist regime. | ||
| See, here's the thing. | ||
| John Waterman believes a lot of the same stuff as Alex does, but he isn't nearly as interested in hiding his bigotry. | ||
| Take this post from October 29, 2018, about the Jack Ryan TV show that had come out. | ||
| Quote, I have George Soros. | ||
| So, so, so he is an anti-Semite, though. | ||
| So we do have something we can define him. | ||
| So he, so... | ||
| Is an anti-Semite not a doctor, not a John Waterman? | ||
| Yes, there's one thing that seems pretty clear. | ||
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Wow! | |
| Also, interestingly, Waterman loves Vladimir Putin, explicitly arguing that he's trying to resurrect a Christian country in Russia, taking control away from the Jewish Bolsheviks, which is why the world hates him so much. | ||
| It's all just the result of the Jews controlling the media and hating the fact that Putin is Christian. | ||
| Man! | ||
| We talk about the simultaneous the enemy is infinite and the enemy is always losing conundrum that they always have where it's like, oh, the Jews control everything and they're killing all of you! | ||
| But also, the Jews are fucked over at every possible turn. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Where do these people get this? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
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Like, in all honesty, you just let Jews do their thing, unless it's Israel, in which case, Jews. | |
| Do different stuff. | ||
| We're all good! | ||
| It's because it's so historically a part of our, like, our collective conscience. | ||
| I know! | ||
| It's so weird! | ||
| It's a piece of history that's existed since forever. | ||
| Like, you know, you go back to, you know, when the blood libel started, that was like, you know... | ||
| Where are we? | ||
| A thousand years ago? | ||
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No, it wasn't. | |
| It was like 800 years ago. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Yeah, so you have that that's been a part of public psyche for a really long time. | ||
| And we've come to a place in our culture, especially now, that people know about the Holocaust and things like that, but they don't realize a lot of the things that that hatred was built on. | ||
| They don't understand a lot of the stuff that predates even the rise of Nazism and why they chose Jews as a very easy scapegoat, among other scapegoats. | ||
| People don't recognize that this has been a shortcut that people who are lazy and bad have made forever. | ||
| So people like a Waterman, he just doesn't want to do the work. | ||
| He doesn't want to understand these sorts of things and grapple with... | ||
| Greater complexity than the idea that there is just one group of evil Zionist Jews who are controlling everything. | ||
| Now, the issue here for me is that he believes almost exactly the same things as Alex Jones. | ||
| We've seen this over and over again throughout this episode, and even through these posts that are, you know, against Jews. | ||
| That one's bad. | ||
| But he's saying similar things to Alex. | ||
| He's pointing out fucking Soros. | ||
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100%. | |
| He's saying Adam Schiff's an asshole. | ||
| You know, Alex threatened to punch Adam Schiff. | ||
| He loves Putin because he thinks that he's resurrecting a Christian country, which is a piece of Alex's rhetoric. | ||
| Don't know where they get that, but fine. | ||
| All of this stuff is there, and also the anti-Semitism is there. | ||
| And one of the reasons that I believe that this is the case, like, it's because he, like, he perpetuates so many of the same narratives that Alex does. | ||
| He's on the same propaganda team, even using the same sources to back up his arguments. | ||
| Zero Hedge is constantly cited on his blog, and Waterman clearly believes all the same anti-communist narratives that were foundational to making Alex who he is today. | ||
| Waterman is just, he's an unrepentant anti-Semite because he understands what the point of the try to be less explicit about it. | ||
| Alex Jones is using anti-Semitic propaganda, whether or not he wants to own up to the fact that what's behind it is anti-Semitic. | ||
| And someone like John Waterman very clearly illustrates that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Same narratives, same idea of the world structure and what have you. | |
| Exact same sources, same historical trends that lead from the past to him lead right to Alex. | ||
| The only difference is that Alex couches his rhetoric It's not the Jews, it's the globalists. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| I hate this fucking part of humanity. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| So that's all awful, but just to make you feel a little better, I want to read to you from a post that he made on Christmas Day 2018. | ||
| If you thought that your Christmas was kind of weird, consider this. | ||
| Quote, "One very good source, a personal friend, spends a couple hours each day investigating the high-level brinksmanship. | ||
| We've met in Costa Rica during a trip by this bright, tireless person. | ||
| He has direct connections to certain I don't want to know this person. | ||
| No! | ||
| It is said that the Bush family is in turmoil, that Hillary is facing treason charges with only the timing in doubt, not the process, and most excitingly, that John F. Kennedy Jr. will return to the stage in a grand event. | ||
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What?! | |
| He will identify his father's killer as George H.W. Bush. | ||
| You don't know that that's a part of QAnon? | ||
| I did not know that HW killed JFK? | ||
| Well, no, that's a part of a lot of people's conspiracies. | ||
| But that JFK Jr. faked his death in order to re-emerge now that Trump is president in order to fight back against the globalists who killed his dad. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's a part of their... | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Yeah, that's a piece of it. | ||
| No, no, no, that's part of it? | ||
| That's a piece of some QAnon. | ||
| Part of it is JFK Jr. faked his own death... | ||
| You bet. | ||
| ...in order to come back... | ||
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Later. | |
| ...like Gandalf the White. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The problem with ever really talking about QAnon stuff is they have that sort of vibe where it's like, you make fun of that, and then there'll be like 10 QAnon people who are like, we don't believe that stupid shit, we believe this stupid shit. | ||
| There's a bunch of different versions of it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The central conceit is stupid. | ||
| It's Harry Potter slash fic. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| So that's, you know, that's Waterman. | ||
| He's a QAnon guy. | ||
| He's a complete weirdo, believes almost all the same stuff as Alex Jones, who also is a raging anti-Semite. | ||
| So at the end of this episode that he's doing with Carrie, she's trying to wind it down. | ||
| She's trying to end the interview. | ||
| And he's like, I want to play you something that I made. | ||
| And so she... | ||
| UPMA, it's where you wanna... | ||
| Not bank. | ||
| I kind of thought that might be what he was doing. | ||
| I really had a hunch that it's like, wow. | ||
| He's shooting the moon here. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| But instead, what it is is a long, swelling music kind of... | ||
| It's not that long, but it's longer than it needs to be. | ||
| There's some swelling music behind it and people saying, you aren't alone. | ||
| No. | ||
| So in this clip, we're going to hear the end of it and then his little speech that he gives about how you're not alone. | ||
| We are in this together. | ||
| I want to start every clip with that. | ||
| So, of course, the most important thing is to know you are not alone. | ||
| And I think that gives us hope, doesn't it? | ||
| I feel like he's... | ||
| He thinks he's taking over her show. | ||
| He's doing overnights now. | ||
| He's doing like the long overnight radio shifter. | ||
| He's like, you know, it's the most important thing. | ||
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We are not alone. | |
| You know, because if we think we're alone, it gets kind of scary thinking we're alone. | ||
| But we're all in this together and we're not alone. | ||
| And there are many people. | ||
| And it's kind of like talking to the choir here, Carrie. | ||
| This is the awake group, but that's what's encouraging. | ||
| And we just need to understand that we're not bickering. | ||
| It's not time for us to talk about the shades of our color. | ||
| It's time for us to say, I want to get rid of the mess, and you and I are on the same page. | ||
| Let's go get this done and get it over with. | ||
| Knowing more about him, that message is no longer inspirational. | ||
| If you don't know what he believes, then that message could easily be heard as a message of unity. | ||
| The idea of it's not time for us to talk about the shade of our colors, although that doesn't imply there is a time to talk about that, and I don't like that. | ||
| That could hit your ear the same way as Alex's. | ||
| We all bleed red blood. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Doesn't matter if you're black, white, purple, blue, red. | |
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You could hear that and just be like, okay, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| What he's trying to say is that there's a bigger evil that we need to face, and that is this system or whatever. | ||
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But since we know what he means and what he believes, he knows it's Jews. | |
| It's so weird for him to be like, this is a message of unity. | ||
| Unless you're a Jew, in which case, dude, we're gonna fuck you up. | ||
| We're all in this together. | ||
| Everybody's in this together against the Jews. | ||
| It's like, man. | ||
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Dude! | |
| It's crazy to me on so many levels. | ||
| First of all, just the little bit of awareness about his worldview and what he believes, it brings into focus that complete change in what he's saying. | ||
| And then second, Carrie doesn't know anything about him. | ||
| So she allows him to give this message on her show. | ||
| That is innocuous sounding, but is actually deeply anti-Semitic. | ||
| It's a call to commit a holocaust. | ||
| Because it even says remove the problem or get rid of this mess. | ||
| And just take care of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's time to just get... | ||
| It's just time to be done with it once and for all. | ||
| Like a last solution or something. | ||
| You know, these Zionists, we gotta figure out the Omega... | ||
| Fix for it. | ||
| You know, we gotta figure out that one last problem solver we need to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We need to figure out... | ||
| I'm gonna find Lionel's thesaurus here. | ||
| Yeah, it's over in the corner. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Whether it be because she kind of believes similar things, we've certainly heard her say some not-so-wonderful things about Jews in the past, but like... | ||
| Whether it's that or just because she has no idea who she's talking to and doesn't prepare really for her shows at all, what she's done is allowed someone who's slick enough to not make that a part of his public presentation be deeply anti-Semitic and give a message of we need to attack the Jews on her own show, which is crazy to me. | ||
| Like, when I heard that, I was like, holy shit, Carrie, you gotta do better. | ||
| You can't do this. | ||
| If you care, you can't do this. | ||
| And also proves you're not a psychic. | ||
| And care is in her name, goddammit. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts to me. | ||
| And this is kind of how, I think on a sort of minute scale, I think it's illustrative of how people who have ill will, not always just Nazis, but people who have ill will and are bigots and con men and those sorts of things, they're very adept at co-opting people's messages. | ||
| So, you know, you have somebody... | ||
| Like this Waterman, he knows that if he's, like, immediately, hey, Carrie, Jews equal bad. | ||
| That's not going to be an interview that goes well. | ||
| We've got not a Dr. John Waterman in here. | ||
| That's a strong statement to make right off the bat. | ||
| She probably knows enough to know that's not something I can put on my show. | ||
| That's going to be a problem. | ||
| So she wouldn't continue the interview with him. | ||
| He's slick enough to know that I have to mind my P's and Q's when I'm on her show. | ||
| But when I'm on my blog, I can fucking say whatever I want. | ||
| Shitpost all day. | ||
| The only thing that I can tell from that is, with 100% certainty, is that Kerry's audience is much larger than his, and he knows this is the best way he can hopefully indoctrinate some people over to his worldview. | ||
| By being on the show, being careful about stuff, people come check him out, get red-pilled. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is how this shit goes. | ||
| We should go on Joe Rogan's podcast and do the same thing, but for good. | ||
| I don't know if I could. | ||
| I don't know how I would do that. | ||
| Here's how we would do it. | ||
| I'm not that fun. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Stop it! | ||
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Whatever you're doing right now, Joe, stop it! | |
| Do better! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| How did that go? | ||
| That was pretty smooth and slick, right? | ||
| Very slick. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, he's another example of that. | ||
| You know, that same sort of thing where he is, whether consciously or unconsciously, the tool by which people with ill will attract greater attention to themselves. | ||
| At Joe's expense. | ||
| Like, he shouldn't be signing off on a lot of these people's messages, and he does. | ||
| You can't know what's in the guy's mind. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, but... | ||
| You can get some strong indications that it's not, I care a lot. | ||
| You would hope that somebody who managed to help make NewsRadio the fucking greatest sitcom of the 90s would know better. | ||
| You would hope that somebody who has... | ||
| Andy Dick was on that show. | ||
| Don't, don't... | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Don't pretend that... | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Listen. | ||
| It's a murderer's row. | ||
| So, this brings us to the end of this little adventure. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if this is a hugely important thing to... | ||
| I think there's some connective tissue in there that's really important. | ||
| Whether it be the Project Camelot world connecting with Alex more, people should realize there is a lot of connection between those two. | ||
| Or the connection between people who espouse exactly the same rhetoric as Alex but hide their anti-Semitic Nazi-ish beliefs in order to be more socially acceptable. | ||
| It's an intentional strategy that people like that use. | ||
| I always appreciate these because there are so many things where if you were a casual observer, if you were not really paying close attention, or if you weren't conversant in this world already, you would listen to his interview and be like, oh, this is just a loony. | ||
| You still might think that through most of it. | ||
| Well, yeah, well, of course. | ||
| It is that. | ||
| Of course, but it is so much like these guys are always interconnected with each other, and there's so many different versions, there's so many different flavors and degrees by which these guys can get away with shit to a certain audience, you know? | ||
| Somebody from Stormfront may believe the exact same shit as Alex Jones. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But on Stormfront, they'll throw it off all this way. | ||
| Somebody on Facebook who, like you know, who believes all the same shit Alex Jones does, isn't going to say it the same way that Stormfront Guy does. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Different venues require different presentations. | ||
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Right. | |
| But it's the same shit. | ||
| And it's so hard because there's so many degrees and your basic human instinct is to give people the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And if there's one thing that our show has proven... | ||
| It's that you should never trust anybody. | ||
| We're all in this for ourselves. | ||
| Everybody's fucking lying to you, and nobody knows what's going on. | ||
| And the summer of rage is coming! | ||
| 2019! | ||
| So the last thing I want to say... | ||
| Just move on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The last thing I want to say is that, like, just as sort of a funny wrinkle, John Waterman thinks that Alex Jones is a CIA shill. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Because he doesn't hate Jews enough. | ||
| Yeah, you bet. | ||
| So what you have there, too, is another little microcosm of these people who have these messages and all this shit that they put into the world. | ||
| And one of the ways that they gain credibility for themselves is attack people who are exactly like them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the same way that Alex attacks Bill Cooper and makes the claims that he does about him. | ||
| This John Waterman attacks Alex Jones in order to be like, no, I'm the pure version. | ||
| He's working for Stratfor. | ||
| And stuff like that. | ||
| That's another piece of this con that is so central to all this shit. | ||
| And it's just, it's lame. | ||
| Creating that conflict only makes both. | ||
| Party stronger, which is so infuriating. | ||
| Like with the David Duke interview, where you're like, Alex, stop pretending you love this guy. | ||
| You do. | ||
| You love everything he stands for and you love everything he believes, but you pretend to push back. | ||
| That way his followers can be like, oh, Alex, you don't hate Jews! | ||
| And then Alex's followers can be like, ha ha, see? | ||
| He doesn't hate Jews, but both of them are the same fucking guys! | ||
| You both galvanize your audiences a little bit using the other person as a prop, and then at the same time you kind of just hope to siphon off a few people. | ||
| Yeah, and then you all go out for drinks afterwards. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And talk about how much you both love Ron Paul. | ||
| So, anyway, we'll be back with the next episode, but until then, we've got a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
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| Indeed. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| I would guess, based on the fact that not a Dr. John Waterman is not a doctor, nor a John Waterman. | ||
| I bet he might have killed a guy with his naturopathy. | ||
| Some bad medical advice or something like that, maybe? | ||
| Look, I'm just saying there's a reason that his real name is not anywhere near this interview. | ||
| But one guy who definitely, probably, also has technically killed a guy. | ||
| That's Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |