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Nov. 28, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#232: Reverend Manning

Today, Dan and Jordan explore the positions of one of Alex Jones' guests, Reverend James David Manning. What they find is a horrifying melange of insanity, historical ignorance, and very offensive homophobia. Please be advised, some of the stuff he says is very hard to hear.

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dan friesen
48:22
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jordan holmes
19:45
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pastor david manning
20:33
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alex jones
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dan friesen
Hey everybody, Dan here.
I just wanted to slide in real quick before we start this episode and give a fair warning to one and all.
The content that we're going to be going over today drifts pretty deeply into stuff that would...
I rightfully be called offensive to most people.
Some of the content that we end up covering is very homophobic, even to a violent extent, and if that is something that you have no tolerance for, I totally understand, and I would advise maybe this is not the episode for you.
That said, let's jump in, and here is the episode.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
unidentified
Hey.
jordan holmes
I realized that I forgot to ask you this question on our last episode.
dan friesen
Oh, that's exciting.
jordan holmes
What's your favorite Nicolas Cage movie?
dan friesen
My favorite Nicolas Cage.
jordan holmes
If you say knowing, I'm going to punch you.
dan friesen
Well, knowing is up there because of that moment that we talked about in the last episode.
Like, being in the theater and laughing that hard.
Yeah.
Now, I don't know what kind of answer to give, because there's good movies that he's done.
Like, Adaptation's really good.
jordan holmes
It's amazing.
dan friesen
You could say that.
Or, I mean, Port of Call, New Orleans, Bad Lieutenant is great.
jordan holmes
It's a great movie.
dan friesen
They're so different in terms of his performances.
I don't know.
Wicker Man's great, too, if you just want to laugh at it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has such a range of movies that I can't choose one that's my favorite.
But I'll probably say the family man.
unidentified
LAUGHTER It's a close...
jordan holmes
That's a great one!
dan friesen
It's a close tie between The Family Man and Matchstick Men.
jordan holmes
I have not seen that one in a long time.
dan friesen
Those came out when I worked at a theater, so I saw those.
Although I like Tia Leone.
I would not say that The Family Man is one of my favorites.
jordan holmes
I love Taya Leone.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She was great in Bad Boys.
dan friesen
And what was that show that she had?
The Truth About Sex or something like that?
That wasn't the name of it.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
There was some NBC show that she was on that was really great, and I can't remember what the name of it was.
Anyway...
jordan holmes
She was in You Kill Me, which is a great...
or it's not a great movie, but it's...
dan friesen
She was married to David Duchovny.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, she was, wasn't she?
dan friesen
I think they got a divorce because he's a sex addict.
unidentified
Eh, sure.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Am I just thinking of Californication?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's the same thing.
pastor david manning
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Are you thinking of the Red Shoe Diaries?
dan friesen
This is a show where I don't know much about the personal life of David Duchovny, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I know nothing about either of those.
dan friesen
And today it's Wacky Wednesday, so it doesn't matter.
We're not talking about Alex Jones.
Except we kind of are a tiny bit.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
But we'll get into that here in a second.
Before we get into the show proper, I'd like to take a moment here to say thank you to a couple people who have signed up and are helping support the show, and we appreciate it oh so very much.
So first, I'd like to...
Thank you so much.
Carrie, you are now a policy wonk.
pastor david manning
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Carrie, and it could not be more apropos of this episode.
dan friesen
It is not Carrie Cassidy.
It's spelled differently.
Oh, God, dude.
I'll tell you in a minute.
I also would like to say thank you so much to Beth.
You are now a policy wonk.
pastor david manning
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Beth.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Beth.
dan friesen
If you'd like to support the show and become a policy wonk, you can do so by going to our website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
There's a button there that says support the show.
Click that button.
Help us out.
Keep on the lights, as they say on other podcasts.
jordan holmes
Do they?
dan friesen
I've heard it.
Anyway, the reason that Carrie Cassidy triggered something in my brain is because someone posted on our Facebook group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
A link to Carrie Cassidy's true TV pilot that she made with Project Camelot.
I didn't realize that that was publicly available.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
I knew that she had made a show, but man...
jordan holmes
Next documentary.
dan friesen
No, I don't think we can go over it.
It's really poorly made.
But it was really awesome because I've been looking for a really long time.
For the connection between Project Camelot and this guy named Andrew Baziago.
He's a particular crazy that I'm really into.
So I swore that I'd seen a Project Camelot episode where they interviewed Baziago.
But I can't find it.
If they did, it's not online anymore.
But he appears in their True TV pilot.
Anyway, Andrew Baziago claims that he was a part of a secret program when he was a kid.
Then he teleported to Mars twice, which is not the most extreme thing.
He also went with Barack Obama.
unidentified
That's nice!
dan friesen
Him and Barack Obama were kids, and they went to Mars.
jordan holmes
Most people never even get to meet the president, let alone travel to Mars in a teleporter with them.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
That's awesome.
dan friesen
Also, Andrew Basiago says that he's a half-dolphin warrior and can breathe underwater.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
That one's, I guess, more impressive than meeting the president?
dan friesen
He has a lot going on, and he's someone who I'd really like to cover, but I can't find the episode on Project Camelot, and I was watching that pilot, and I'm like, Basiago!
unidentified
I love it.
dan friesen
He's so crazy.
Anyway, Jordan, today is not a Project Camelot episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It is Wacky Wednesday, so we're drifting off course.
But as we're now on the other side of the Obama deception, one of the things that I really want to do is I want to open up the Wednesday episode a lot more.
We've done a lot of Jim Baker.
We've done a lot of Project Camelot.
We've tried to dip our toes in other places.
It hasn't really worked all that well, generally speaking, because a lot of shows aren't the same vibe.
And I've done a lot.
I did.
I watched so many bad shows to prepare for this.
I watched so many shows that I'm like, nah, it's not right.
jordan holmes
Two Guys, a Girl, and a Pizza Place?
dan friesen
I love that show.
It's really good.
Ryan Reynolds.
Early Ryan Reynolds.
Trailer Howard.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
She's so awesome.
Huge crush on Trailer Howard as a child.
jordan holmes
I believe that.
dan friesen
Made me watch Monk!
Anyway.
I went down a lot of roads.
One of them was this show called Radical Agenda with Chris Cantwell.
He's the Nazi who was featured in that Vice documentary at Charlottesville, who then started crying a whole bunch when he had to go to jail.
I listened to his show because he's an outright Nazi.
And I was like, well, he says he's not a Nazi, but who gives a shit?
He's a white nationalist for sure.
He takes that moniker.
And I was like, well, it'd probably be easy to find a lot of similarities with Alex in this.
And sure enough, there are.
He has one episode where he talks about how libertarianism is the gateway to white supremacy.
I'm like, bingo, buddy.
Called that one.
He has an episode where he interviews Simon Roche, who Alex has had on a bunch.
He's the sweet launder who wants to peddle white genocide narratives.
It's just a bad show, though.
It's not good.
He's not running a con.
And he wears his white supremacy on his sleeve.
So it's kind of a situation where we're going to listen to it and be like, you're a white suprem...
Yep, you bet I am.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is kind of immunizing yourself against our particular form of takedown.
dan friesen
Yeah, so it didn't do it for me and I don't know how to cover it.
We may revisit it at some point.
There's a whole bunch of shows that I listen to that were busts.
And so I thought about it and I'm like, well, another good use of this time would be to...
Explore some of Alex's guests that we haven't explored, or maybe we've touched on a little bit, and give me a chance to deal with some of my favorite crazies.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So everyone knows my favorite crazy is Daryl Hamamoto.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because he is a guy who is a legitimate professor.
He was doing some real...
Important research in the desexualization of Asian American men in our culture, and then lost his mind, and now talks about how his pink guitar is gay, and the Illuminati is in charge of all schools, and Linda Katehi, the president of UC Davis, has a bunch of mind control antennas.
I love the guy.
jordan holmes
I still think that's true.
dan friesen
He's so crazy.
He is great.
We're not going to be talking about him today.
We are going to be talking about my second favorite crazy.
And that is someone who we've experienced on Alex Jones' show before.
It is Reverend James David Manning.
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
Oh, somebody sent me a bucket of poop today, Dan!
dan friesen
Exactly.
That is where that drop comes from, from Reverend Manning.
He is someone who has been a guest on Alex Jones' show since at least 2010, up till Trump's election, and then...
Then Manning turned on Trump and now says he's going to bring in the tribulation and calls him Tribulation Trump.
And so now he's not welcome back on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But for that six years, he was a guest who had come on on a fairly regular basis.
Beyond that, he's also appeared on Michael Savage's show.
He has been on Gavin McGinnis' show.
I found an episode of that.
It's not great.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
They talk about how Trump is kind of like a rapper because he's really rich.
It's not good.
We won't be listening to any of that.
But I feel like in the time that we've talked about Reverend Manning, we haven't really dealt with how awful a person he is.
And in this episode, I plan to lay out for you and demonstrate exactly how crazy he is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then it's going to turn really bad at the end.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
That sounds right for us.
dan friesen
Here's an out-of-context drop from today's exploration of Reverend James David Manning.
unidentified
A 9-11 truther!
jordan holmes
Wait, did he?
It's funny both ways.
Did he say, I am not, or I am now?
dan friesen
Now.
jordan holmes
He said, I am now a 9-11 truther.
dan friesen
He's announcing, from the pulpit, in church.
jordan holmes
Two raucous applause!
dan friesen
That is surreal.
jordan holmes
That was actually in 1 Corinthians, though.
pastor david manning
I am now a 9-11 truther!
Amen!
dan friesen
So that should give you a little bit of a sense of...
jordan holmes
I want to be in his congregation so bad.
That sounds like way more fun than most churches.
dan friesen
Don't think you'd be welcome?
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Don't like white people all that much.
Not a fan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I think I've got...
dan friesen
But twist, he also hates black people, so...
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, there's that!
dan friesen
Reverend Manning is one of the most sort of three-tool-player bigots.
You know, he's the triple threat.
He hates everybody.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And talks shit on everybody.
It's pretty remarkable, his ability to hate.
He is particularly a virulent homophobe.
Of course.
So we'll deal with that.
Our first clip, Jordan, comes to us from a speech he's doing.
And the reason that I chose to start with this one is on the Obama deception coverage, you made the argument that the first two years of Obama's term were a linchpin in history.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
You believed that and you were saying you were going to write a doctoral thesis on it if you ever go back to school.
jordan holmes
Did I say that?
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
I remember so little from that day.
dan friesen
You recommended someone study it.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I'll tell you this.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Reverend James David Dunning has studied the first two years.
jordan holmes
Well, then I retract my ask.
dan friesen
Here is what he has to say about the first two years of Obama's presidency.
pastor david manning
The first two years of the Obama administration, he released homosexual demons.
dan friesen
For where?
pastor david manning
Stephen, you know, just saying homosexual is taking a chance.
jordan holmes
No, it's not!
pastor david manning
Because the people in Silicon Valley can throw me off of YouTube simply for saying that.
God, they don't like that word.
But the first two years of the Obama administration, he released the homosexual demons.
jordan holmes
Say it again!
pastor david manning
They just came out of the woodwork.
And then the first two years of Donald Trump, he released the psychotic, freaky, perverted sex demons.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I don't know which is worse or which is better, Dan.
dan friesen
I love it.
I love it.
The psychotic, freaky sex demons.
jordan holmes
Psychotic.
Freaky sex demons.
dan friesen
I imagine it's a sex demon with a lampshade on its head and a bloody knife in its head.
That's what I hear.
jordan holmes
Psychotic freaky.
Wearing the bottom half of a horse costume.
You know, where you're supposed to have two people, but he's got the bottom half.
dan friesen
I don't know why lampshade on the head is my go-to for freaky.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
It comes from a very particular time in pop culture, I think.
So yeah, man, sex demons.
jordan holmes
There's an interesting thing that he does.
Point out, for him specifically, is that when he says saying homosexual is bad, just like saying the word homosexual is bad, for him in particular, it's just like saying Jew and saying Jew, you know?
Like, yeah, for you, it is bad.
dan friesen
Right, but he's making the same argument Alex makes all the time.
It's like, that's a word they don't want people to use.
jordan holmes
No, we're cool with it.
dan friesen
I don't think anybody has a real problem with it.
I don't know.
Someone could correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've ever run into anybody who's like, homosexual is a term like the N-word or anything.
jordan holmes
I'm assuming some people are...
Everybody's bad about it.
dan friesen
People have quirks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, one of the other roads that I went down when I was trying to figure out how we could expand Wacky Wednesday was I started listening to a bunch of Stefan Molyneux.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you've been...
Of course, possessed by psychotic, freaky sex demons.
dan friesen
Indeed, which led me to watch a guy stare into a camera and say stupid shit, vis-a-vis watching Stefan Molyneux.
But as I was watching, I started to remember how he likes to sue people who use his content, even in sort of fair use contexts.
And so I'm like, I don't want to fuck with this.
We'll probably never end up covering Stefan Molyneux, even if we're well within our rights to cover it.
I still just don't want the headache.
But I found...
He's pretty obsessed with pop culture.
And I watched a pretty long video where he very poorly breaks down the show Lost.
jordan holmes
Of particular import to you.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I also found one where he is talking about how great Inception is.
A lot of movie reviews on Stefan Molyneux's page.
And that leads us to this next clip, which is from Reverend Manning.
What I'm trying to get at is a lot of these guys love pop culture, but they're really mad at it because it doesn't reflect what they want it to reflect.
And so they spend a lot of their time with these really high-minded things, like Reverend Manning thinks he's saving the world with Jesus, but also he needs to take time out of his day to curse Lena Dunham.
jordan holmes
Okay.
pastor david manning
I want to do something here.
jordan holmes
Is he literally going to curse Lena Dunham?
pastor david manning
In the place of those of us who stand to represent those of us who believe that this is worse than abominable.
dan friesen
What did he just say?
It's worse than abominable.
jordan holmes
Abominable.
unidentified
Abominable.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I heard like Obama Boone.
dan friesen
He might.
jordan holmes
I thought he was referencing some sort of awful thing.
That's probably me.
dan friesen
He's talking about when Lena Dunham hosted SNL.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So that's in context.
jordan holmes
That wasn't great.
dan friesen
I couldn't find the raw footage of this, so I had to take it from a YouTube video that put some music behind it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So that's why there's a little bit of, there's some swelling.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It does add to it.
pastor david manning
I love the music.
dan friesen
The music makes it.
pastor david manning
The curses of the Old Testament.
To curse you with the diseases.
curse you that your organs that you displayed which should not have been displayed such as your breast and your vagina would both be filled Whoa!
Whoa!
jordan holmes
For showing them?
pastor david manning
And B. Jesus!
But the cancer in your breast and the cancer in your vagina would burn.
And you would never know any peace.
Or any peace.
jordan holmes
This is thorough.
pastor david manning
I curse you with that curse.
jordan holmes
This is a thorough curse.
pastor david manning
And to Saturday Night Live, who are allowing people to mock the word of God, all the producers, and all of your female daughters, nears.
jordan holmes
Really don't need to point them out specifically.
pastor david manning
He's crazy.
jordan holmes
Not them particularly?
pastor david manning
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And I bind you under the power of the authority that Almighty God has given in the earth to those that believe him and will preach his gospel as he did to Peter there at Caesarea Philippi.
I curse and bind you there at Saturday Night Live for mocking the word of God.
And ye shall see these curses and these cancers come upon all the limit.
and for the means Uh-oh.
dan friesen
The men are getting cursed, too.
jordan holmes
I was...
I mean, I guess I was worried that he was sexist.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Reverend Manning is a lot of things.
But in this case, he's cursing everybody.
jordan holmes
Does he know that Jesus isn't like a...
pastor david manning
Never mind.
Has he read the Bible?
May your organs be filled with emroids.
Your testicles become as rocks.
And every time you walk...
People will know that you are cursed because they will hear the sound of the rocks coming from between your legs as your testicles are the now rocks.
jordan holmes
Wait, dudes are cursed with noisy balls?
pastor david manning
There's no place that you can go.
jordan holmes
Women have cancers all over them, but dudes have noisy balls?
pastor david manning
Some sort of a garment or instrument that would deafen the sound of the rocks of your testicles as you walk.
jordan holmes
This is a thorough curse.
pastor david manning
And everyone will know that you have participated in the mocking of God's word.
Okay.
unidentified
By using these loose sexual statements out of your own devoutry to curse the beauty of God, his creation, and the man and wife relationship that God Almighty has put into the earth.
pastor david manning
Be you cursed with emirates.
And the sound of the rocks between your legs as you walk.
I'm James David Madden.
That's all the men that have participated in the Saturday Night Live and have profited from it as well.
I am the Lord's servant.
jordan holmes
Boy!
dan friesen
I know a couple people who work at SNL.
Their balls aren't rocks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
This curse did not work.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
I haven't...
Like, leaned in close to listen to their balls, so they may...
Maybe his curse was, like, just a medium curse, and it's like you have to be within a certain distance or something like that.
dan friesen
That could be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
So that was long, and I feel a little weird about playing that whole clip, but I wanted to demonstrate, like...
Hey man, you didn't like SNL and you spent that long improv-ing a curse.
An Old Testament curse.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was not improv.
That was well written in advance.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
From the vibe that I get from listening to Reverend Manning, I think he's riffing.
jordan holmes
You think he's off the dome?
dan friesen
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I think he's just making shit up.
jordan holmes
He's really got it.
I mean, he is in keeping with the Bible in that women have this horrifying, terrible curse upon them and men are just like...
People, when they see you, they're going to know you were a dick.
dan friesen
Your balls are loud.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's weird.
And I think that the preoccupation with pop culture is something so weird in this world because it's very universal.
Yeah.
Manning is obsessed with cursing Lena Dunham.
You know, you got Alex Jones complains about...
Pop culture all the fucking time.
Stefan Molyneux does all these fucking reviews on his show.
It's everywhere.
Because it's not theirs.
They don't control it.
They feel it's completely run by the other side.
Someone like Chris Cantwell would obviously be like, it's the Jews doing it.
Other people are just like, it's the Fabian socialists, or it's the left.
jordan holmes
With our boy Manning, it's pretty much just women.
It is, but it's also like so many of them are failed stand-ups, too.
dan friesen
True, true.
People like a Gavin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like all of them try, because they don't understand or have any concept of humor or...
dan friesen
Carrie Cassidy was in Hollywood.
She had a screenplay that didn't work out.
jordan holmes
Couldn't do it.
dan friesen
And also the pilot didn't work out.
Alex always talks about how they were going to make him a big movie star.
Pretends he doesn't want it, but obviously he wanted it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So, yeah, most of these people have failed show business in their past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they take everything real personally.
dan friesen
It's kind of like their entire world is a person...
Like, what they're against is a personification of their own failure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, that explains how they're fighting ghosts and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pretty much.
And their need to blame their failure on every other person that's ever lived.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, on our last time, we talked about Reverend Manning.
I believe he was on the New Year's Eve episode in 2015.
I think that's the one we covered him on.
December 31st, 2015.
So if you want to go back and listen to that, you can hear a little more of this dickhole.
He was talking about how, you know, how Starbucks...
Was putting semen in people's lattes.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
They did that to turn them gay.
dan friesen
Right, because gays have more fun and gays ingest semen.
jordan holmes
And by ingesting semen, you become gay.
That's just science.
dan friesen
Maybe, maybe not.
That is unclear if that's his conviction.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Yes, we do need to be fair.
dan friesen
But what you should know is there was some backlash from that, and people blogged about how he's really dumb and saying that they put animal semen in the lattes because it's gay agenda.
Reverend Manning does not back down from mockery.
He doubles down.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course!
dan friesen
And so here's what he has to say about people critiquing his claims that Starbucks is putting semen in lattes.
jordan holmes
Are we going line by line?
pastor david manning
I say to you, go to hell.
Or, let's go to court.
You know what?
You either go to hell or less go to court.
But I've got something here.
I'm on to something.
I've got Starbucks by the keisters.
jordan holmes
They're noisy balls.
pastor david manning
50 million people have heard my voice and have seen me or heard my writings and statements regarding Starbucks and semen in their lattes.
So that's my salvo that I'm firing over the bowel of the Starbucks.
Coffee Enterprise.
jordan holmes
Okay.
pastor david manning
And if you're drinking Starbucks, watch out.
If you're a woman, you might get pregnant by drinking Starbucks because they've got some pretty potent semen in that drink.
jordan holmes
How do you know that?
pastor david manning
Go home and tell your husband you're pregnant.
He said, but we have sexual intercourse.
unidentified
In years!
dan friesen
That's a bad marriage.
pastor david manning
Where did you get pregnant?
Is it an immaculate conception?
jordan holmes
Hey, some people just like the company, Dan.
unidentified
No!
pastor david manning
It was one of Starbucks lattes that impregnated you.
Me?
I'm James David Manning, everybody.
I'm the Lord's servant.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright, now that's not fair.
That's not fair.
dan friesen
What's not fair?
jordan holmes
Because now I don't know if he's fucking with me or not.
dan friesen
I think this is trolling.
Yeah, he's fucking with you.
jordan holmes
There's no way that he's not fucking with you.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I think that there are some instances of him trolling, and I think that's one of them.
Because I don't think anybody's...
No matter how stupid you are, you aren't going to make the claim that drinking semen gets you pregnant or something like that.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
dan friesen
This is something where he made this claim.
I think he made the semen and the lattes comment seriously.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was serious.
dan friesen
That was some of his homophobia coming out and shit like that.
But he got so much attention for it.
Like, the people were making fun of him on The Young Turks.
All these blogs, Huffington Post was writing about how this dum-dum is saying they're putting semen in lattes.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so I think that this is him trolling, trying to keep that attention going.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I agree with you.
There are a couple instances where it's like...
Yeah, I mean, this is funny, but he's trying to be funny.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when he's in on the joke, it's not as fun.
dan friesen
It's not as satisfying, but at the same time, how do you not give a follow-up on the scene?
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
It's very important as a narrative.
jordan holmes
No, you gotta do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
I now, especially now that he's mentioned Lena Dunham, I immediately think of Open Mike Eagle's lyric, I looked up what Lena Dunham said and I shouldn't have, and now we need to, somebody tweeted Open Mike to update that to David Manning.
dan friesen
There's a real interesting sort of overlap of people who can't ally at all, but it is a weird sort of similarity that most people on the left don't like Linda Dunham that much either.
unidentified
Nah!
dan friesen
So it is a strange thing.
So, Jordan?
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
I told you.
This guy, this Manning guy?
jordan holmes
What about him?
dan friesen
Does not like white people.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
We're in agreement there.
dan friesen
Also, like I said, does not like black people.
And in this next clip...
He is so awful to black people.
Like, in a way that is...
It's comical on one level, but also, like...
jordan holmes
Deeply, deeply troubling.
dan friesen
And I believe that he's speaking from the pulpit again.
jordan holmes
That's really not a good thing.
pastor david manning
But we got a problem.
unidentified
Black people got a problem.
pastor david manning
Now, we can move to colorblindness and always look at the man by the content of his character, never the color of his skin.
I'm down for that.
jordan holmes
Are you?
Is this the I'm not a racist butt of churches?
unidentified
We need to hear some truth.
Black people and white folk.
Black people got a problem.
jordan holmes
I don't want to know what it is.
I don't want to know what it is.
pastor david manning
When black people see the world, I don't care.
You can train them.
You can train a black man to be a physician.
You can train them to be an astrophysicist.
You can train them to be a lawyer.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
pastor david manning
But you can't train him to understand the world.
unidentified
He doesn't know.
pastor david manning
I'm telling you.
There's not two cents worth of difference between a mass murderer, there's not two cents worth of difference between a petty thief that's locked away in prison than a black doctor when it comes to understanding the world.
Listen, you listen to me.
jordan holmes
I have no idea what he's talking about.
That's nice.
pastor david manning
And we need to begin to acknowledge it, talk about it, ask God to help us because only God can help black people where they are.
Black people had Africa, that big old continent over there.
unidentified
That big old continent.
pastor david manning
That was seaworthy.
unidentified
Not one.
jordan holmes
That is not even close to true.
pastor david manning
There's not one monument in Africa, in all of Africa.
jordan holmes
That's an insane thing to say.
pastor david manning
Egypt is not Africa.
unidentified
Okay.
Yes, it is!
What?
pastor david manning
There are no great cities that were built.
unidentified
Egypt is not Africa.
Even before the first colonization of white people.
That's not true!
pastor david manning
Coming to the shores of Africa or the slave ships, black men built nothing.
unidentified
That's not true either!
pastor david manning
No system, no houses above one level, and none of them made out of stone.
All of them made out of grass and wood.
dan friesen
Why didn't he say mud?
jordan holmes
They don't have mud in Africa.
That's the first thing he learned in wherever he learned bullshit from.
dan friesen
So that's crazy.
That's crazy.
Some of the vocal flourishes are a little amusing, but like, man, that is some ahistorical bullshit.
Like, I'm gonna allow him.
The idea that Egypt isn't part of Africa.
I don't agree with him, but I'm going to allow it for the sake of this beatdown I'm about to deliver to.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
I was going to say, I was about to start bringing up historical examples, but now that you got it in front of you, hell yeah.
dan friesen
Does he count Carthage?
Because the Carthaginian Empire was a very legit naval power back in the day, boasting a fleet of at least 350 ships as early as 256 BCE.
jordan holmes
Not part of Africa.
dan friesen
According to historian Polybius.
But Carthage is located in modern Tunisia, and I would bet that Manning would say that North Africa doesn't count.
jordan holmes
Not part of Africa.
dan friesen
Tunisia isn't Africa.
It's the Mediterranean.
jordan holmes
Not part of Africa.
dan friesen
That's what I would guess he'd say.
In any case, we should probably just look as far south as we can go.
Interestingly, fish remains have been found at sites like Blombos Cave in South Africa that date back to approximately 70,000 BCE, which indicates that folks there were able to catch fish in the Stone Age.
jordan holmes
South Africa is not part of Africa.
dan friesen
This evidence contradicted the prevailing theory that the inhabitants of the area at the time were incapable of using sea resources.
Though that's a remarkable piece of archaeology, Manning would probably try and insist that there's no evidence they used boats.
jordan holmes
That was ancient white people who had those boats.
dan friesen
So his point still stands, according to him, I assume.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
To give you some sort of an idea of how stupid Reverend Manning is, all I need to do is point out the Dufuna canoe, which was discovered in 1987.
The canoe was found in Nigeria, and radiocarbon dating is placed the age at between 8,500 and 8,000 years old.
That time frame places the Dufuna canoe as the second oldest boat that's ever been found in the entire world, a full 4,000 years older than any existing boats that we have from Egypt.
jordan holmes
See, that's how awful black people are.
They built their boats too soon, Dan!
dan friesen
Sure.
And that doesn't even take into account that, like, Ethiopia had trade routes going to Southeast Asia.
jordan holmes
I know!
The whole...
The whole fucking thing is insane!
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Actually, over Thanksgiving.
dan friesen
I love that brag.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
But I love the brag because also there's another video where people have been complaining that I said Africans didn't have boats.
They had a whole lot of coastline and like I said, no boats.
He's like doubling down on it.
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
My dad over the holiday literally said Bill Clinton was the first president to not have any military service.
And I actually left the room.
I was like, that's an insane thing to say!
What are you doing?
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
That's crazy!
dan friesen
But you make these pronouncements bravely and boldly enough, you're going to trick a lot of stupid people.
Yeah.
A lot of people are going to be like, yeah, that feels right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
Why do Africans have boats?
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
So stupid.
dan friesen
Now, to the question of monuments.
I'm going to talk about this a little bit.
jordan holmes
There are so many monuments!
dan friesen
There are a ton.
jordan holmes
There are a million monuments!
dan friesen
But most of the ones that come to people's minds...
Like, when you think about it, are things like the Sphinx and the pyramids and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Ozymandias or Ozymandamus, if you will.
dan friesen
Sure, or the ziggurats, but then you realize, oh, that was like in Iraq and shit like that.
That's not in Africa, what do you say?
But since he's insistent that Egypt isn't Africa, I'll enter the battlefield he wants to prepare for us.
I'll play on his terms.
Even with that caveat, he is full of shit.
For example, we have the Bietmandane Alum.
Boy, my pronunciation is no good.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
It's the largest monolithic rock-cut church in the world, located in Ethiopia.
It was built during the Kingdom of Exum, which places its construction between 100 and 940 A.D. Or, there's the walls of Benin, which began building them in about 800 A.D., and they covered over 9,000 miles, which is longer than the Great Wall of China at the time.
The following is from an article in The Guardian.
Quote, In 1691, Lurinko Pinta, a Portuguese captain who had visited the capital of Benin, wrote, Quote, Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon.
All the streets run straight, and as far as the eye can see, the houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns.
The city is wealthy and industrious.
It's so well governed that theft is unknown, and the people live in such security that they have no doors on their houses.
In contrast, London at the time is described by Bruce Halsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of, quote, thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery, and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for the exploitation by those with the skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket.
jordan holmes
Soft yes on the white genocide.
dan friesen
Then there's Timbuktu in Mali, those considered a precious intellectual and spiritual center dating back to at least the 12th century.
The city contained many mosques now protected as world historical sites, the university at Sankor, as well as just tons of non-one-story buildings.
There's plenty more examples, but this should make it pretty clear that African history is much richer and more full of impressive accomplishment than most people are willing to accept.
One of the issues is just prejudice, but it goes a little bit deeper than that, and the case of Benin City really illustrates why.
Benin City was designed mathematically, with an emphasis on symmetry.
They designed based on a fractal design, where patterns would repeat on smaller and larger scales.
The city as a whole had a design that was mirrored in the cluster of houses.
So the city, then a cluster of houses, and then that would be mirrored again in the houses themselves, the rooms within the house.
Mathematician Ron Iglish puts it this way, quote, That the Africans might have been using a form of mathematics they hadn't even discovered yet.
jordan holmes
Why would it?
They're white, Dan!
dan friesen
Places like Benin City reached what we would call the Renaissance before the West and boasted deeply complex civic structure as well as public patronage of artists and craftsmen.
Spoiler alert, Benin City was destroyed.
And its decline, quote, began in the 15th century, sparked by internal conflicts linked to the increasing European intrusion and slave trade at the borders of the Benin Empire.
In 1897, the British burned the city to the ground, and with it went much of the history and the monuments of the once great city greater than the West.
Well, not all of it, actually.
A selection of bronze sculptures from Benin were taken and are now housed at the British Museum in London, an example of how the West is still robbing Africa, even of the opportunity to make tourism income on its own past.
jordan holmes
Dan, you know what?
dan friesen
My point is that Manning is so wrong.
jordan holmes
I would even go so far as to say that maybe we don't talk about this or learn about it and instead learn about how superior the white man is because the white man...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they want to control history to make them look as good as possible and then justify their behaviors.
dan friesen
Well, the idea of this great city that was really well-run and very safe and thriving, it had a trade, there were resources there that were managed and everyone was happy for the most part.
The idea that...
Oh, yeah, that quickly deteriorated because of European intrusion.
jordan holmes
Because of white people.
dan friesen
Yeah, you don't want to teach that sort of thing, but the lessons are important.
For example, like, just, what was it, last week that dude went over to the tribe and got hit with arrows and died?
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
I think most people are.
But that sort of thing is the thing that could have been avoided with the lessons of history.
That sort of thing.
You probably think that you're going in doing something good, but what you're actually doing is you're risking a genocide, basically.
And not to say that Portuguese people showing up at Benin was going to risk a genocide or anything like that, but their actions led to the destruction of the entire...
jordan holmes
I mean, the worst phrase in history is, and then the white man came.
dan friesen
Right, or even...
jordan holmes
Like, it's the worst phrase in history.
Any history book you read and then the white man came doesn't go, and everything was better.
It goes, and then they fucking killed everybody.
dan friesen
You could sort of...
Band that out to, like, the colonialists came, but most of the time they were white.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So it's kind of a moot point.
But I think it takes it outside of the realm of, like, where you're going to trigger people with white identity issues.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, they can go fuck themselves.
dan friesen
Fine, but...
jordan holmes
Sorry, sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't mean that.
dan friesen
You're right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But maybe a better way to look at it that won't have the...
The external appearance of anti-white sentiment is the idea that when these colonialists came, they did what they meant to do, and it ruined everything.
It ruined a well-established city like Benin City.
There's no way around it.
jordan holmes
Wait.
And so white people went to someplace and decided to impose their culture because they assumed that everybody there was acting differently and thus therefore savages.
dan friesen
And because they misunderstood the organization that was there that did work.
jordan holmes
And wound up destroying it.
Now, everybody, of course, has learned their lesson from that history and we don't continue to do that to this day.
Right, Dan?
dan friesen
No, we do and we defend it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
Good work, everybody!
dan friesen
That is just a demonstration of...
Reverend Manning knows nothing about African history, and he's demonizing black people because of his misunderstanding of African history.
unidentified
That's cool.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that.
I didn't know about the fractal...
Yeah, it's super cool.
I've read a lot about...
African history is so intricately tied up with math.
That's a big, big part.
dan friesen
Natural math.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the fractal structure of a city is incredible.
We should really learn more about that.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not something that's not taught, but you kind of have to look for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is kind of the disappointing part.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It is what it is.
jordan holmes
It really nails home that, you know, anytime somebody's like, well, why don't we have a White History Month?
And you're like, well, every month is White History Month.
One story.
That story is so cool of a city that's built out of a fractured structure?
dan friesen
Or a fractal structure?
That's fucking cool!
There's so much more to it, too.
There's more than I can get into in terms of where my understanding and expertise fall off the cliff.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, Benin is really interesting.
You could just take the idea of that fucking 9,000 mile long wall that they built and be like, huh.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
Why don't we know about that?
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Isn't that really?
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you can just go from there, and there's so much.
jordan holmes
God, white people really fucked everything up.
dan friesen
And the Portuguese.
Anyway, this next clip.
This?
This should be your first indication that Reverend Manning, if you, up till this point, if you're, I don't know how it's possible, but if you're thinking, this guy's fun.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean that anti-black tirade that he just went on?
After that, I'm like, eh, this guy, he's got a flair to him.
dan friesen
Am I just thinking he's a little bit dumb and goofy, maybe?
jordan holmes
He's a bit of a wackadoo cat, I'll tell you that.
dan friesen
This next clip should give you cause for pause and start to think about, like, uh-oh.
pastor david manning
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
pastor david manning
I want to do something here.
jordan holmes
I don't want you to.
pastor david manning
That is a bit of a repentance.
jordan holmes
Stop!
dan friesen
He's going to repent.
jordan holmes
I want him to not.
pastor david manning
Here's what I want to do.
The other day, I was talking about who I was talking about, and I was not going to come up the hard way, right?
unidentified
Okay.
pastor david manning
And I had this deal with this guy.
jordan holmes
This is a parable?
pastor david manning
A small-time Italian mobster, right?
jordan holmes
How do you know that?
pastor david manning
And so, you know, he owed me $20,000.
I thought he was trying to get away with it.
And he didn't want to pay me.
He was acting all funny.
I called him.
He wouldn't answer the phone.
I called him for two weeks.
He wouldn't pick up the phone.
He wouldn't call me back, so I went over there with a shotgun.
What?
And I put it in his mouth.
What?
And I was young then.
I was angry.
And then I took it out of his mouth.
I told him I wanted to taste that still.
And I put it in the mouth of his secretary with his slobber on it.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Why does he have a secretary?
pastor david manning
I want them to feel fear.
I thought that if I did that, it would make them feel fear.
Well, now, you know, a lot of people listen to that.
jordan holmes
Pull up!
pastor david manning
And so I want to, I was not right.
I did.
I want to repent if I haven't done this.
I don't know if they're still alive.
I don't know if they are.
If they're aged back then.
This has been over 40 years ago.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
That was Dan to Grand Prix, actually.
pastor david manning
Right.
But I can tell you this.
Some say, well, you're all right to put it in his mouth, but why'd you put it in the woman's mouth?
unidentified
Who said that?
pastor david manning
I pulled it out of his mouth and told him to go get my money and I put it in her mouth.
I want him to see it while he's going to get my money.
You know, it was mean.
jordan holmes
It was mean?
unidentified
It was just mean.
pastor david manning
A lot of people say, well, you know, she was a woman.
Let me tell you something.
That woman was a mobster woman.
She didn't have no compunction about killing nobody.
She would kill just like he would.
So she don't get no mercy just because she's a woman.
I really thought he was repenting here?
I was wrong.
jordan holmes
I really don't think you are.
I really don't think you are.
pastor david manning
Let me tell you this.
I don't want anybody to misunderstand me.
I got the sword of David in my hand.
That's what I was talking about the other day.
And I got bloody hands.
Not only from there, but I would take...
If the Lord orders me into battle now and put a sword in the mouth of a person right now, I'll do it.
I thought you were repenting here.
I wasn't saved then.
I was just a young hoodlum running the street, crazy as I could possibly be.
jordan holmes
Oh, you still are crazy.
pastor david manning
But God does order his servants to take the sword into the hearts of people.
Now, if God tells me to put the sword, I don't want anybody to misunderstand me by my repenting to think that somehow or another I've gone soft.
No, no, no.
No, uh-uh.
If God tells me to take the sword and put it in your mouth, I will do it.
Now, he didn't tell me to put that shotgun in that man's mouth or that woman.
No, he didn't tell me to do that.
But now, I don't want anybody to misunderstand, but I figure if I, you know, for some things I can straighten out, you know, there's a need I need to repent, I'll do that.
I ain't above that.
dan friesen
I'm more scared now.
I'm so much more scared.
That was not a repentance.
That was, I put a shotgun in these people's mouths, and look, God didn't tell me to do that.
jordan holmes
For the wrong reason.
dan friesen
God didn't tell me to do that, but if I do think he is, I will still kill you.
I don't want people to think I've gone soft now that I'm a fucking pastor.
You know what I want my pastor?
The willingness to murder.
Because of his ideas of what God is telling you to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's safety.
dan friesen
We've already demonstrated he knows nothing.
jordan holmes
That makes me safe.
dan friesen
Yeah, God wants him to curse the writers of SNL with stone balls.
jordan holmes
Stone balls.
And their women and children with cancers.
dan friesen
That make it burn.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't...
jordan holmes
This guy's a bad dude.
dan friesen
That's really fucking scary.
jordan holmes
Who ordained this guy?
dan friesen
Oh, I think he's self-ordained.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
We know that he's a doctor, and he gave himself that doctor.
unidentified
Okay, that's true.
dan friesen
So that's a little...
jordan holmes
That is the worst repentance I think I've ever heard in my entire life.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
And he's in the pulpit, right?
dan friesen
No, this is him sitting at his webcam.
This is like the Manning Report.
He does these video blogs that are complete lunacy.
jordan holmes
I want to be in his church so bad.
I would go to that church.
I will fly to...
I assume he's at...
Where's he at?
pastor david manning
New York?
dan friesen
He's in the Bronx.
No, he's in Harlem.
He's in Harlem.
jordan holmes
He's in Harlem?
I will fly to Harlem every Sunday to attend your church.
dan friesen
Well, I should tell you this.
He has been kicked off of YouTube.
jordan holmes
Oh, for why?
dan friesen
Hateful screams.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
I can't imagine him.
dan friesen
The banning has not taken.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Because his old channel was called Atla, which is the name of his church.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
A-T-L-A-H.
All the land anointed holy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So that was his old channel.
And now...
jordan holmes
So he's just on his old channel.
dan friesen
No, he's created a new channel that just replaces the A in Atla, the first one, with an H. And he's just posting like normal now.
jordan holmes
Look, YouTube.
If you get outsmarted by David Manning, you deserve every curse that comes to you.
dan friesen
So also, that's part of me saying that if the audience likes this episode and they would like us to continue looking into James David Manning, he has a lot of sermons that I can find, so there is material that we could cover him.
That is a possibility.
jordan holmes
I will tell you this.
Our sign-off will not this time be...
Reverend David Manning didn't kill a guy, but I know...
No, because the answer there is...
dan friesen
Probably killed a guy.
jordan holmes
Reverend David Manning probably killed a guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably killed a woman, too.
We'll have to go with Lena Dunham.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's crazy.
unidentified
What is this?
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
This dude is fucking out there, man.
dan friesen
And it's wackier than you think.
jordan holmes
It is wild!
dan friesen
Because you know how Alex Jones sells these weird pills and stuff.
And now, you know, Ben Shapiro's also in the pharmaceuticals game.
jordan holmes
Does Manning sell truck nuts?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
This is less about selling something.
Reverend Manning fancies himself a bit of a healer.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
He sells personalized healing, doesn't he?
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
Like, from a distance, he'll pray for you or some shit, right?
dan friesen
It's a bit more complicated than that.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
But I didn't...
Realize this, and I think it might be sort of a newer addition to his preaching repertoire, because when I looked into him last time, I did not hear him talking about curing everything.
jordan holmes
Oh, he can cure everything?
dan friesen
Pretty much everything.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And in this first clip, he yells about diabetes.
jordan holmes
This dude has powers.
dan friesen
He hates diabetes.
jordan holmes
I imagine why.
pastor david manning
Don't go out.
In this stressful time, because there's more stress and more people realize what's happening politically, what's happening racially, what's happening economically, what's happening spiritually, that people don't realize that they're under stress, that don't realize how much stress they're under, and you can have a stroke.
And God don't want you to have the stroke, but you're going to have to listen to his defense mechanism.
And he sent me to prevent stroke.
He sent me to prevent heart attacks in his loved ones.
He sent me to heal cancer and diabetes.
I'm particularly against diabetes.
I've risen to the level where I'm ready to fight diabetes.
I've risen to the diabetes fighting level.
Is he a Scientologist?
I am against diabetes.
Let it be known.
jordan holmes
Does he have a mustache?
pastor david manning
Put it on billboards.
Write it on the side of milk cartons that James David Manning is against diabetes.
And I want diabetes to know.
And I also want diabetes to know that I've never baked bread and I'll never be defeated.
unidentified
I've never baked bread?
pastor david manning
I can defeat diabetes.
I'm not going to let...
I don't have diabetes.
jordan holmes
You totally have diabetes.
pastor david manning
I don't have it.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
pastor david manning
But I'm going to defeat it.
I want you to know that.
Back now to the little numerological thing that we would get through.
dan friesen
No!
jordan holmes
Wait, he goes from I'm going to cure diabetes single-handedly and the people who love God too.
Let's get back into numerology.
dan friesen
I should tell you that this is in the middle of a video that he posted where he's going to explain the blood moons.
jordan holmes
Okay!
dan friesen
Where he just got sidetracked talking about how he's going to fight diabetes.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
I watched this whole hour-long video like, what are you going to say about the blood moon?
Mostly, I can cure diabetes once God gives me the tools.
For now, I can cure strokes and heart attacks.
But I don't have diabetes.
Absolutely.
It's fine.
I don't know why you're defensive about it, but I've never baked bread!
jordan holmes
I'm not going to say that this is his official nickname, but I'm going to start calling him Black Brimley from now on.
He doesn't have a mustache, does he?
dan friesen
I'm picturing him in my head, and I can see him with and without a mustache.
jordan holmes
He needs a mustache.
dan friesen
He spiritually has a mustache.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
So that was his sort of wrestling shoot promo on diabetes.
Fuck you, Diabetes.
You and I are going to show up at Madison Square Garden on Sunday.
I'm going to give you the rock bottom.
jordan holmes
He warned Diabetes as if it was aware.
dan friesen
And a person.
jordan holmes
So does he believe Diabetes is an entity that has consciousness?
dan friesen
I think so, yes.
It's short for Diambetes.
Princess Diane Beatties.
jordan holmes
He's Dr. D. Beatties.
dan friesen
Yeah, he does really feel like it's personified to an extent that I'm not comfortable with.
jordan holmes
Does he know what Diane Beatties even is?
dan friesen
Well, this is one of these things.
I mean, I'm sure he does.
jordan holmes
It's not even like...
It's not even like it is a bacteria or something like that.
Right, right.
dan friesen
But this is one of those things that really illustrates that I think that we have someone with a deteriorated mental state to some extent.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's one of the things I should say, is one of the other options in terms of another Wacky Wednesday show to cover is Jesse Lee Peterson.
And I'm not going to cover his show.
He is a guy who is a real Trumpy asshole radio show guy.
But the way he speaks leads me to believe that he has absolutely had a stroke, and he has, like, diminished functioning.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Like, it seems like he's handicapped.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you like Trump, you also have diminished functioning.
dan friesen
Well, but if you watched, like, five minutes of this, you'd be like, oh, no, no, no, we can't talk about this.
This is embarrassing.
Whereas Manning, I think there's something wrong with the way his brain works.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's not Jesse Lee Peterson.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or Jesse Lee Peterson.
Worrying.
Worrying.
Like, it's elder abuse to talk about Jesse Lee Peterson, whereas Manning...
And by the end of this, you will encourage any anger that anyone has against.
jordan holmes
Manning has that mental illness the same way that Alex has clear paranoid schizophrenic tendencies.
Yes, for sure.
Where it's like, Manning, you're fucking crazy, but you're sane enough for us to clown on you happily.
dan friesen
Right.
All history of Africa is nothing until the white man came.
Yeah.
It's upsetting.
jordan holmes
I really wish people would be forced to learn history.
Do you know what I mean?
dan friesen
It would be nice.
Anyway.
Reverend Manning.
Diabetes is on his list.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Lena Dunham.
jordan holmes
Diabetes.
dan friesen
Africa.
jordan holmes
Africa.
Also, the producers and writers of SNL.
Suspiciously.
Not the daytime players.
dan friesen
Also, gay demons.
unidentified
Gay demons.
dan friesen
That Obama has unleashed.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Those are bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, that last one was about diabetes.
Now, he explains how he can protect you and your loved ones from strokes.
pastor david manning
I want to talk about the fact, and I'm coming back to this.
I'm going to deal with this more tomorrow at the pulpit of power.
dan friesen
He's talking about the blood moons.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
pastor david manning
Sabbath worship.
This is, to date where we are right now, we're Friday.
This is Sabbath.
jordan holmes
That's what most people call Friday.
pastor david manning
We want to look and teach about the fact that we could see Jesus in the next two and a half to three years.
So let me recant here today.
jordan holmes
Like in a museum?
pastor david manning
Then I have to do the teaching of 70, 71, and 76. I've got to pause there real quick.
dan friesen
What that is talking about is all the information that I got about the blood moons are...
He was staying in a hotel in Indianapolis.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
That's all I needed to hear.
dan friesen
And those three numbers, 70, 73, 76, I believe, were the highways that he drove on.
And he's describing some sort of metaphysical...
They're all sevens.
He's creating some sort of importance out of it.
And he never explains what he's talking about.
Just 70, 73, 76. Those are highways.
He's just talking about his driving route.
jordan holmes
So 911.
dan friesen
That's as high level.
pastor david manning
The three sevens.
The 70, the 71, and the 76. We'll get to that.
That'll probably happen sometime.
jordan holmes
We'll get to it.
dan friesen
I-70 is one of the biggest highways in the Midwest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there are a lot of...
dan friesen
Driving on I-70 is no big deal.
jordan holmes
A lot of those routes are numerical.
As a way of organizing them.
So there are plenty of places where you will get Route 16, Route 18, and Route 19. That's not like triple ones means a lot.
dan friesen
Nope.
pastor david manning
And not too distant future here on the teaching of the Trust in the Lord Hour.
dan friesen
That's another one of the shows.
jordan holmes
The Trust in the Lord Hour?
How long do you have to trust in the Lord?
dan friesen
Forever.
unidentified
Oh.
pastor david manning
The blood moon appeared.
God had already kept me in the room for an hour at the State Bridge Hotel.
dan friesen
He earlier was talking about...
jordan holmes
God had kept him in the room for an hour.
dan friesen
I think this is buzz marketing for the State Bridge Hotel.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He brings up the name of it like 20 times.
It's either he's bragging like it's a good hotel.
unidentified
Is it?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I have no idea.
Or he has a little bit of an ad revenue coming in.
unidentified
Hold up.
dan friesen
But he brings up how he got stuck talking to the Holy Spirit like God was talking to him in the hotel room.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise known as a diabetic coma.
dan friesen
Or he slept in, I don't know.
So anyway, he's driving down 80, which is another highway.
jordan holmes
It bums me out that this is a major plot point.
dan friesen
That he sees the blood moon.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And here's what God tells him.
pastor david manning
And told me to tell everybody, and you need to tell everybody, that you don't want to find yourself getting dizzy.
And having, yeah, something like that, right?
There you go.
And you don't want to find yourself getting dizzy.
jordan holmes
You don't want to.
pastor david manning
And having a stroke while driving your car.
jordan holmes
That's a bad thing.
pastor david manning
Let's say, for instance, you're getting ready to get in your car, right?
And then you get dizzy.
I don't know.
Maybe you live in Atlanta.
You drive Peachtree.
Or maybe you live in Los Angeles.
Interstate 5. I may be living in Las Vegas.
You're getting ready to drive, Sahara Boulevard.
dan friesen
Maybe you live in Chicago.
Lakeshore Drive.
jordan holmes
Name more roads?
pastor david manning
You're getting ready to drive.
Right in New York City, Fifth Avenue.
Washington, D.C., 16th Pennsylvania Avenue.
dan friesen
You thought he wasn't going to.
jordan holmes
How many more roads are we going to talk about?
pastor david manning
And all of a sudden you stop feeling dizzy.
dan friesen
Dizzy.
pastor david manning
Right?
And wonder what's happening.
And then your eyes get blurry.
dan friesen
Oh, no!
pastor david manning
And next thing you know, you black out.
A stroke.
unidentified
No.
No!
pastor david manning
A stroke!
If you had listened to the word of God before you got in your car, the way God has instructed, if you listen to the word of God, listen to me teach.
Now, you can't be listening to these heathens out there, these sweet talkers on Salem Media.
These boys are hustlers.
They're trying to build a big ministry.
jordan holmes
I was staying at the State Ridge Hotel when I found that out.
pastor david manning
They're trying to get bigger.
They ain't trying to save nobody.
They're just trying to make themselves bigger.
It is a shame and a scandalous before God what they do.
At any rate.
jordan holmes
Fair.
So is what you do.
pastor david manning
Before getting in your car and driving down the beltway, you would not have had that stroke.
Amen.
unidentified
Amen.
pastor david manning
I tell people as well, you can listen while you're sleeping.
unidentified
Okay.
pastor david manning
You can put on the report of the...
dan friesen
Who cares?
He just tells you to listen in your sleep.
jordan holmes
Okay, hold on one second.
unidentified
Hold on.
jordan holmes
This is an advertising strategy you and I never considered.
dan friesen
I don't want people to do that.
jordan holmes
To everyone listening to our show.
If you listen to our show while you are listening, you will not have a stroke.
I promise you that.
dan friesen
I can't make that promise.
jordan holmes
I can't make that promise either.
dan friesen
If you listen to his show before you drive, you won't have a stroke in the car.
jordan holmes
You won't have a stroke.
dan friesen
That's awesome.
jordan holmes
You don't want to have a stroke while you're sleeping either, so you better listen to it when you go to sleep.
dan friesen
No, he was saying that you can backload it.
You can backload it!
Well, like, if you're going to drive tomorrow, let's say you're going to drive pretty early, you can listen in your sleep and then you'll be safe for the ride.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Which is...
But also, don't listen to this show even when you go to sleep.
jordan holmes
No, it's a bad idea.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
The idea of any of these things, like, deep, like, going into your subconscious?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
You don't want to backload our show into nothing.
Because if you wake up the next morning and get in your car, you're going to have a stroke.
dan friesen
It's possible.
So, yeah.
I like this a lot in terms of Manning's evolution, that he's become this guy who's like, if you listen to my show, you will not be sick.
Which is like, alright buddy, this is going to be a problem when someone has a stroke.
Like, when your congregation has a stroke, it's going to be tough.
jordan holmes
But that's the trick of Jesus is, uh, nope.
That's on you.
You didn't believe in Jesus.
Done.
dan friesen
Well, there's that possibility.
And then what you end up doing, too, is stigmatizing illness.
So, like, let's say it's not a stroke or something like that.
Let's say it's cancer.
You know, whereas a community like a church is a great place to go if you have cancer because there's fellowship.
There's people who will care about you, maybe cook you meals and stuff like that.
What his church serves to do is never admit you have cancer because that will be an indication that you haven't been listening to Reverend Manning or something like that.
So all you do is encourage secrecy and people being ashamed of stuff, which I think is probably a really negative impact.
But do what you do, Manning.
Do what you do.
jordan holmes
That is one thing about the church that is, like, no matter how much I am virulently anti-religion, my uncle is in the hospital right now, and the only reason that he, like, survived that night where he was, you know, all of that shit happened was because he called his pastor and his pastor drove him to the hospital.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, like, fuck yeah.
dan friesen
There's a real community that is very positive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Granted, it's a community you could find elsewhere, but why would you ever judge someone for finding it there?
I think that there's a lot of value to that.
jordan holmes
But the pastor that he drove to the hospital is virulently anti-gay, so it's like, fucking, there's no win!
dan friesen
It's good news, bad news.
jordan holmes
There's no win!
dan friesen
So, Reverend Manning is going to punch out diabetes, and if you listen to his show, you won't get a stroke.
Probably a heart attack also, it's kind of vague.
jordan holmes
What about diabetes?
He actually has to fight diabetes later.
He can't prevent it.
dan friesen
God hasn't given him the tool yet.
He's going to.
He's pissed off at diabetes.
jordan holmes
He's at one level.
dan friesen
Diabetes, you're on notice.
jordan holmes
You better watch out.
dan friesen
So Jordan, I should tell you that Reverend Manning has found a Bible verse that seems to imply to him that he has found the secret to immortality.
I don't think he has!
So here is Reverend Manning selling immortality to his listeners.
unidentified
All right.
pastor david manning
I need you to listen every day.
jordan holmes
Okay.
pastor david manning
But I want to show you something here.
jordan holmes
All right.
pastor david manning
I want to show you something.
I want to show you a certificate.
jordan holmes
From the State Bridge Hotel.
dan friesen
He pulls out a certificate.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That is a tribulation birth certificate.
It is one of those certificates you could get at Kinko's.
Yeah, the template.
It looks like shit.
pastor david manning
Now, I'm going to show you the Bible basis for this.
Many of y 'all don't know the Bible, so you don't know what this means.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
All of us not knowing the Bible.
pastor david manning
This is a gold embroidered certificate.
It's in the Bible.
Gold-colored border certificate.
That has the power of this verse that God has given on the 28th.
You see the 28th?
The 28th of August to the 28th of September.
God gave me this revelation of the salvation of the flesh, not the souls.
Your soul already saved.
What God's going to do is going to save your soul.
Save your flesh.
Your soul is already saved.
dan friesen
What is it?
pastor david manning
Your soul is already washed in the blood.
Your soul is already cleansed.
Your soul is already saved.
I said your soul is already saved.
It's your flesh that this verse saves.
Good God Almighty!
It's your flesh!
jordan holmes
That's some Alex Jones shit right there.
pastor david manning
That God wants to save your flesh.
He's already saved your soul by the shedding of his blood.
He wants to save your flesh by the preaching of this verse and he sent me to preach.
He sent me to preach this verse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we got it.
pastor david manning
He's already saved your soul!
jordan holmes
We got it!
pastor david manning
We got it!
Move on!
What do you mean by that?
Well, the same way he saved flesh two by two in the days of Noah, he sent me to teach to save your flesh during the tribulation until he comes back again.
Good God Almighty!
Good God Almighty!
And so what I want you to do is you need...
jordan holmes
Does he have a run time?
pastor david manning
...certificates for your house.
Now, I said that what you need to do is get the certificate and you need to put it up over your door, you know, over the top of your door.
The word is door.
I'm from North Carolina.
You'll pardon my language.
So when you walk out your house, you walk out under this certificate to avoid being ran out of a bread truck.
dan friesen
So this goes on a long time.
And I'll just tell you.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
dan friesen
So what's up?
jordan holmes
Why is bread figuring so heavily into this?
When he was fighting diabetes, part of his was, I've never baked bread.
dan friesen
You might be allergic to gluten.
jordan holmes
You don't want to be run over by a bread truck.
dan friesen
Seems preoccupied with bread.
jordan holmes
He's got a lot of bread shit going on.
dan friesen
You might not like that jam band.
That could be.
Look, dude, I feel like that clip leaves a lot of questions unanswered.
So I feel like what we should do now...
jordan holmes
Oh, does it?
dan friesen
That comes from a really long clip, and I wanted to play all of it, but I will now allow you to ask me some questions about what's going on here, and I will do my best to answer these questions in a succinct fashion.
unidentified
All right.
Good God Almighty!
jordan holmes
All right.
Bless me.
Bible-wise, how important is the gold leaf?
dan friesen
Zero.
jordan holmes
Not important?
dan friesen
Not important.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Bible-wise, Do certificates have magical powers?
No.
Bible-wise, good God almighty.
dan friesen
I apologize.
jordan holmes
I apologize for not throwing that in there.
unidentified
Good God almighty!
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
He yelled so well.
It's so crazy.
jordan holmes
It's so good.
dan friesen
Like, no matter how you adjust the microphones, he's going to peak those levels.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
It's awesome.
If I needed someone to yell, I probably still wouldn't get him.
But someone with his skills.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, for sure.
jordan holmes
As a yeller, I recognize Gabe.
dan friesen
Alright, your questions aren't getting in the right direction, so I'm just going to spell this out.
jordan holmes
How does God save the flesh two by two?
dan friesen
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
Like in the...
dan friesen
The Bible verse is from Matthew, and what it is is Jesus saying, there are some among you who won't taste death.
You'll be a witness to the coming of the kingdom of God.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's the gist of the Bible verse.
And so Reverend Manning has taken that to mean that if I am a witness and I commit myself to be a witness of the coming of the kingdom of God, then I won't taste death.
So, he's printed that Bible verse on a certificate, and he's contending and telling his audience that if you put these certificates on the door that you go out of, you can't be killed when you leave your house.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which makes sense.
jordan holmes
That tracks.
That's so much like, remember the episode where those, what was it?
It was General Semelbein?
No, no, no.
unidentified
It's the old dude.
dan friesen
No, it was Stubblebine and Rima Labo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, where they got the postcard that's like, ha ha, get out of jail free.
dan friesen
Except that makes more sense because it is your choice about vaccinations.
Being a victim of an accidental death is not your choice.
jordan holmes
I don't know if he has made anything more specific that you will not be the victim of a bread-related death.
dan friesen
True.
So, I should say, just to be clear, he's...
jordan holmes
He hates bread.
dan friesen
He does.
He's putting these certificates out and saying they will protect you from death.
But he's not selling them, really, which is really weird.
jordan holmes
I guess that's good.
dan friesen
In the middle of this clip, like this extended clip, he gets into a thing where he's like, what you need to do is you need to print this on a handkerchief and put it on your kid's underwear.
And when they go out of the house, then they'll be safe and they won't die.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Why not just take the certificate, fold it up, put it in the pocket?
Why do you have to put it on their underwear?
unidentified
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Why not get a Sharpie and write it on the underwear?
dan friesen
So that's one thing.
And then he gets into, like, there's a limit of three on these.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Hold on.
So he's like, I think there's a lot of people who are going to be wanting these to put up, like, on your back door.
Maybe your window.
Like, you're going to go out the window?
unidentified
What's going on here?
jordan holmes
Well, you've got to have it on the window.
dan friesen
So that's weird.
But then he's like, and listen.
If you want them, send me a large envelope with stamps, because if I just have to send it to you, I'm not buying you stamps.
It's like, he starts rambling about how, like, if you send me it with the...
jordan holmes
So he's a literary agent in the 1940s.
You need to send a self-addressed stamped envelope if you want to get this certificate.
dan friesen
It's crazy, because this is, like, this is a scam.
He should be charging $50 for these, something like that.
But instead, he's just like...
Send me an envelope with stamps.
I'll send them to you.
Three, because we got a printer.
But look, I don't want money for them.
If you're going to send me money so I can buy you an envelope and stamps, sure, it might take me a while.
Like, what?
Why don't you follow through with the stamp?
jordan holmes
It's weird.
This is like a non-profit cult where the cult leader is just like, hey, listen, I don't want to tell you what to do, and if you want happiness, it's free.
You don't have to do any of the shit that I say.
Just give me a stamp.
dan friesen
There's a semblance of restraint to it that is like, huh, why?
On our last episode, we talked about how he put Columbia University and Obama on trial in this fake court proceeding.
He went whole hog with that.
Why don't you just take some...
You have a cult!
jordan holmes
Five bucks!
dan friesen
Five bucks!
jordan holmes
It doesn't even mean a ton!
You don't even need to scam hard!
dan friesen
It's so crazy.
jordan holmes
Don't just scam for postage.
dan friesen
But this Bible verse is like...
Apparently he just discovered it recently.
And it has become, like, a really big part of his worldview.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
And now he's decided that he is unkillable.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which he explains from the pulpit in this next clip.
jordan holmes
I love this monster.
pastor david manning
I was telling the Lord regarding Matthew's Gospel, chapter 16, verse 28. I said, you know, there may be some people, church people, say, well, Jesus said something.
He said there are people standing here right now that want a taste of death.
Peter died.
dan friesen
Oh, that's a problem.
pastor david manning
Matthew and Thomas did too.
dan friesen
Those are two problems.
pastor david manning
So, what's up, Jesus?
jordan holmes
What's up, Jesus?
pastor david manning
Did you miss this one, Jesus?
Did the writer miss it?
Oh, shit.
Because Peter's dead.
unidentified
You said there's something standing here now that will not taste of death.
Oh, fuck.
pastor david manning
He is mad.
Now, I don't have the fullness of that.
But when I told Jesus, I'll be a witness.
Anybody who raises their hand against this scripture and try to say that Jesus' prophecy failed, you got me to deal with it.
jordan holmes
You got me to deal with it.
pastor david manning
best way to deal with that is to say I ain't gonna die okay I I'll stand for you, Jesus.
If you need a witness, if you need a witness to your scripture, count on me.
unidentified
Count on James David Madden.
pastor david manning
I will stand and I'll declare before the world, you can't kill me.
There ain't no casket built for me.
There ain't no grave nobody gonna put me in.
unidentified
I will testify.
Can I get a witness?
I'm a witness for Jesus.
If nobody else, I will witness this verse.
pastor david manning
And I've stood before here, before you, and said, I ain't gonna die.
dan friesen
So far, so good.
unidentified
I ain't gonna die, and can't nobody kill me.
Whoa.
jordan holmes
All right.
Can't nobody kill you either.
unidentified
I'm a witness to that verse.
I'm a witness to that verse.
Wow.
pastor david manning
In spite of truck accidents, airplane crashes.
dan friesen
What?
When have you been in an airplane?
When have you been pushed off a building?
unidentified
You died of some disease.
dan friesen
You died of a disease?
unidentified
I'm a witness!
pastor david manning
Don't you pick on my Jesus.
What?
unidentified
Don't you pick.
He said it!
pastor david manning
And I'm a witness.
I will not taste up there.
When we all get to heaven on Judgment Day, I can stand and say, Jesus, I witness for that birth.
unidentified
Anybody know what I'm talking about?
dan friesen
Nope.
pastor david manning
That's the kind of man I am.
What kind of man are you?
unidentified
That's the kind of man I am!
It is.
It is.
jordan holmes
No, I agree.
unidentified
Nobody!
pastor david manning
You know, death can take me down.
unidentified
Nobody!
jordan holmes
I will never die!
pastor david manning
I'm God's witness.
I'm the Lord's servant!
dan friesen
He ends almost all of his yells with, I'm the Lord's servant, which is...
It's unsettling.
It's very unsettling.
I love the yelling.
The vocal patterns that he uses are so awesome.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
If you take away a lot of the content, and even that's not that awful.
He's just leading a bunch of people to think that he's immortal.
Which is like, meh, alright, whatever.
If they're in for a penny, they're in for a pound.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
So far, we've mostly seen...
Historical revisionism, that's unfortunate, but also, like, whatever.
He has a congregation of, like, 70 people or something like that.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's not like he has...
jordan holmes
70 great people.
dan friesen
It's not like he has a giant cult.
So, like, a lot of this stuff that we've seen so far has been, like...
Quirky goof nonsense that drifts into dangerous because of, like, sort of...
But it's no more dangerous than anti-vaccination stuff.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The idea of, like, I can heal your strokes.
jordan holmes
And you won't be hit by...
I've been reading up on...
No, I've been reading up on analysis of the scripture.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
And essentially...
dan friesen
Is he in the main line?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
He's not with them.
Most scholars say that the reason that this was...
So this was written...
Look, I don't want to break anybody's heart.
dan friesen
Well, it comes from Matthew, so it's taken from the Q source.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So it's a secondary level from the original.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
This was written essentially way, way after, and it was about the people there who eventually saw Christ's resurrection.
Exactly.
It's very simple.
dan friesen
But then there's another angle to it, too, that is like...
I don't know every single Bible verse, but I know that the flesh is really not important to Christianity.
jordan holmes
Not really their thing.
dan friesen
Especially in the New Testament, the flesh is sort of a meat body that carries what's important within you.
jordan holmes
Which is why you can kill your enemies and feel no sympathy.
dan friesen
So the idea of you won't taste death isn't so much about the idea of you're not going to die.
It's not relevant to it.
You will see the coming of the kingdom of the Lord.
Through what's important, your spirit.
jordan holmes
Death as a sense of oblivion.
So you will not taste oblivion.
You will taste transcendence.
dan friesen
Yes.
There's that that I've heard as an analysis of that scripture.
So, Jordan...
Dan!
As is always the case.
jordan holmes
You're about to ruin the fucking day, aren't you?
We've had a grand old time.
This dude's fucking crazy.
dan friesen
I will say that a lot of people who listen to our show, like, have heard all the episodes, know that, like, there's a real, real kibosh coming.
There's a real hammer that I've been holding over your head.
And I gotta say that, um...
jordan holmes
If you're new...
Every episode is fun.
Until Dan decides to wreck all of our spirits.
And then we just go!
That's it!
dan friesen
Every episode is fun until I reveal the piece of information I've been hiding.
And actually, there's multiple pieces of information I've been hiding.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And this is where it stops being as fun.
But I think that this next clip will be sort of a fun transition into the part that's not fun.
But I should warn you ahead of this clip.
The past times it's not been fun, this is a whole new level of not fun.
jordan holmes
Damn it, Dan, you're the bread truck of this episode.
dan friesen
Yeah, unfortunately.
You should have put up that certificate.
jordan holmes
I should have put up that damn certificate!
pastor david manning
As you know, I live in Harlem, and we are, as African Americans, certainly that black Americans are facing a crisis, a...
Catastrophic crises of the absence of males in the homes.
80% of the homes of the African Americans are headed by women, and there are no males in the homes.
There are no husbands in the homes leading the homes.
jordan holmes
This isn't going to end well.
dan friesen
This doesn't sound like it's going to be as bad as it is.
jordan holmes
This isn't going to end well.
I can sense this coming.
pastor david manning
And so women are having a difficult time finding a black man to marry with two million black men locked away or warehoused away in prison.
This is a catastrophe.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is.
pastor david manning
In the black community.
jordan holmes
Stay there.
pastor david manning
Obama has released these demons, particularly upon the black males.
jordan holmes
No, go back.
pastor david manning
This homosexual demon hoping to enforce as many black males to subscribe to ideas of homosexual, perverted.
Oh boy.
unidentified
I don't like this.
pastor david manning
So we have the outing of people like Jason Collins, who is a big fan.
Alleged basketball player.
jordan holmes
Alleged basketball player!
pastor david manning
Two blacks that have come out of the closet that have received national accolades from Obama, from Michelle, the fist bumper Obama, from Oprah Winfrey, from all black people encouraging more black men to come out of the closet.
dan friesen
That's not what they were doing.
pastor david manning
And so we have taken direct action here at the Otlo World Missionary Church by posting up on our announcement board outside these words.
Obama...
has released the homo demons on the black man.
Look out black woman.
A white homo may take your man.
End of quote on the announcement board.
jordan holmes
That is a new one.
That's a new twist on the...
That's a weird racist southern trope of like, the black man's gonna steal the white woman, and now it's the white dude's gonna fuck your husband.
dan friesen
When homophobia trumps all, that is kind of the way it comes out.
It's weird, man.
And when he's saying the announcement board...
It's the marquee.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's not just like a sandwich board on the ground.
It's the, like, you know, where you would normally see, like, I remember these, you've seen, like, the best vitamin for a Christian is B1.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He has this long, white homos are gonna take your black men, ladies.
Look out.
unidentified
Whoa!
jordan holmes
As far as something to walk by, that's pretty fun.
dan friesen
I wouldn't feel great.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't be happy about it, but, you know.
dan friesen
It would certainly have an interesting story to tell.
You go and get drinks with somebody, you'll never believe the sign I walked past.
pastor david manning
I have noticed of the few black men that are left, and now Obama is influencing black men to come out of the closet or be homosexual, and they're being scooped up by white homos, leaving the black woman in more diastration with less of a choice of a man to come and be her husband and father her children.
dan friesen
Also, a real fun part about this, there's a lot more left in this clip.
At no point does he recognize that it's possible for black women to date non-black men.
There is that underlying racism that's sort of never dealt with.
jordan holmes
Let's not worry about it.
I'm just fascinated by the ranking system right now, which is black man and black woman, number one.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Black man and black man, not good.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Number two.
Black man and white man, all the way down to the goddamn bottom!
There isn't even a number three!
That's a hundred!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because the white homosexual has convinced the black person to be homosexual and is stealing him from a black woman.
jordan holmes
That's because of Obama as well.
dan friesen
Well, because he's unleashed those gay demons.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
pastor david manning
This is devastating what Obama's doing to the black man and to the black woman and how the white homo is now moving into the black neighborhoods looking for black men that have been converted into homosexuality.
But black women...
jordan holmes
Justification is bad, but I don't think for that reason...
pastor david manning
You'll have a very hard time competing against a white homosexual male.
He's usually got money.
A white homo usually has an American Express card.
dan friesen
What?
pastor david manning
He usually has an opportunity at the theater.
unidentified
What?
pastor david manning
Homos love the theater.
They love to go out to dinner parties.
They love that kind of a thing.
And as a black woman, you can't compete.
unidentified
What?
pastor david manning
Not only with the financial strength of a white homo black system.
This is devastating.
Black people need to rise up in mass and recognize the utter destruction that Obama's going in to destroy the black family with his homosexual statements and the release of demons that he has done.
But our church has taken a very definite stand, warning the black woman that a white homo is looking for your man.
About what?
jordan holmes
No one knows.
pastor david manning
And looking at the conclusive proof, no white homosexuals have come out in the sports arena.
abominational anti-creation anti-integrity anti-life anti-humanity anti-universal understanding anti-dna anti if you will I want lean is established in our nation by this pervert this son of I'm James David Manning, everybody.
unidentified
I'm the Lord's servant.
dan friesen
Lord's servant.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
That was something else, man.
jordan holmes
That was a wild ride.
dan friesen
I learned that if I, you know, ever were to find out that I'm a homosexual, I need to get rid of this visa.
jordan holmes
You can't say that word.
That's a dangerous word, apparently.
dan friesen
Well, I need to get rid of this visa card I've got.
jordan holmes
You've got to get an American Express.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's unfortunate.
That's a hassle.
A lot of paperwork.
Man, that's like...
jordan holmes
They don't accept it everywhere, you know?
An American Express card isn't that, you know, useful.
dan friesen
It's better than Discover, but Visa's the way to go.
Anyway, the...
There's so much in there, even if you take out the rank homophobia.
If you take away that, there's so much of...
I guess it's still part of the homophobia.
These white homos, they love the theater.
How can you compete with that?
Where is that coming from?
jordan holmes
I genuinely...
dan friesen
You black women don't like theater.
jordan holmes
I think there's a...
From what I'm understanding, if I'm going to read between the lines, he's accurately describing the gentrification issue, which is that wealthier people are destroying black neighborhoods.
dan friesen
I'm sure that spiritually there's a piece of that in his complaints.
jordan holmes
And then ascribing it to the way-wrong problem.
And then furthermore, ascribing it then to black women's fault for not...
Liking theater.
dan friesen
Which is weird.
That anger is so real.
And it's funny when he's talking about gay people putting semen in lattes.
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
That's funny.
dan friesen
That's funny.
But, unfortunately, there's a bigger truth to this.
And this next clip is a Mike Down clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
It's something that you need to recognize when you have people like Reverend James David Manning.
There's a reality to what he preaches from the pulpit that is unacceptable.
It's unacceptable to modern society in any way.
And it's important to recognize that when he gave this sermon, he was a guest on Alex Jones' show.
This is something that Alex is allowing this person to be someone he has on his show.
He's talking about that sign that he just described in the last clip about how the white homos are gonna steal your man.
Black women, you know what's gonna happen?
unidentified
And they keep watching these people coming into the land, kissing on the street.
I believe God's gonna raise up an army.
I believe this.
That God's gonna raise up...
A group of young men and women who are going to watch these sodomites walking in their tight shorts on Sunday holding hands with their tank top t-shirts and going to follow them home.
pastor david manning
Crawl in their bedroom windows and slit their throats.
unidentified
Crawl out.
pastor david manning
In a matter of a month like ISIS has risen up in the Middle East You're going to see people who've had enough of this damn foolishness.
unidentified
And they're going to start taking ice picks.
pastor david manning
And when they come to the step, they're going to be sitting there like they want to beg for a dive.
And they're going to take that ice pick and ram it up their throat all the way up to the top of their heads.
unidentified
And then walk away like nothing.
Because nobody's paying attention to these people.
pastor david manning
And the news are going to start reporting that Solemites are being slain.
They're being killed.
unidentified
They're being slaughtered in their homes.
They're being destroyed.
pastor david manning
The Harlem community is running with blood of the fags and the lesbos.
unidentified
I believe it.
I believe it.
But I believe it!
God help us!
God help us!
That's what David would do.
That's what Elijah would do.
That's what Joshua would do.
That's what God will do.
Jesus doesn't do that anymore.
Now, is that right?
I think Jesus said this to me, Jakes.
He says, in Malachi chapter 3, verse 6, I am the Lord thy God.
I change not.
If I sent Gideon to chase a hundred thousand, Midianites out of the valley, if I sent David to kill 40,000 Philistines, I'll send people in Harlem to start stealthily and secretly in restaurants poisoning these faggots, killing them wherever you can find them, destroying them at every chance you get an opportunity to.
And many will be willing to say, yeah, I killed Mr. and Mr. Fag, and I'm willing to go to jail by standing for my Lord and for my God and what the Word of God says.
I'm willing to go to jail to stop these fags and let those from insulting my children and my community and my God.
And hallelujah, that boom, zack, a lacker goes right.
that's a catchphrase Joshua!
dan friesen
He just yells about driving people out of the land.
So, yeah, it's kind of tough.
It's kind of tough when you see, oh, uh-oh, you are literally advocating for murdering gay people.
jordan holmes
Murder.
I mean, just supporting Uganda's president by itself is enough.
dan friesen
Well, you should have seen, like, that sort of thing coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was coming.
dan friesen
Yeah, there was a little bit of a hint.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, there was it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, like, that's him in his church at the pulpit giving these, like, sort of elaborate fantasies about creeping in gay people's windows after you followed them home and slitting their throats in the night.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that is who this guy is.
That's what he's about.
Like, you can't...
I have no word strong enough to, like, to talk about that.
That is something that should...
He should be in prison.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, I don't know.
I don't know what the line is in terms of, like, where does hate speech reach the point where you're yelling fire in a crowded building?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that sort of thing.
But I think when you're a preacher and you're at a pulpit and you're advocating for...
Armies of people getting together to clear the streets of gay people through murder.
I think you're on the wrong side of that.
I think you're on the wrong side of free speech.
And I don't know.
That's what makes it sort of like, you know, semen and lattes.
Elaborate fantasies about taking ice picks to gay people.
Not so great.
Alex Jones is willing to have him on his show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Michael Savage is willing to have him on his show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They advocate positions that aren't fucking far off from this sort of thing.
And, you know, we talk about how Alex Jones says the quiet part loud.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he says the quiet part louder.
jordan holmes
That's the quietest part the loudest.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That is underlying so much of, like...
The world that we look at is whether it's a disregard and not caring if people are marginalized to the point of their death or saying, I think God should put people together as vigilante murder armies.
It is not that much difference to me in terms of functional outcomes.
jordan holmes
I mean, there is one argument to be made about that, or not argument.
I suppose the best corollary I can think of for that in terms of the power structure we have now is with Trump talking about Jamal Khashoggi's murder.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And him just being like, nah, don't care.
Like, yeah, that's been American foreign policy for the past 60 years.
He's the only one who said it, you know?
dan friesen
I'm sure that Manning isn't the only one who said stuff like this.
In terms of the people that we look at, not many people make it this overt.
jordan holmes
A lot of people...
It's amazing to me how many people who can't read can convince people who don't read that what they don't read says something that the person...
Just wants it to say.
dan friesen
So anyway, look, I don't know.
I have a really hard time talking about this because that was so fucking ugly.
And I even hate putting that on our show to some extent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't like that at all.
dan friesen
I don't like it either, but it's not honest if you don't look at the person that is.
And as much as we love the way he yells, the modulation, and semen in the lattes.
Oh, also, by the way, I'm invincible.
Those sorts of things.
That's who he is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, a lot of people might be asking, you know, like, sure, he's been a guest on Alex Jones' show, but how much does this really involve Alex?
You know, like, is this really that related?
And I'd like to play you something else, he said.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
unidentified
And a president who recognizes that God is his head!
dan friesen
He's talking about what he'd like to see in the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A president who recognizes that God is in charge.
Theocracy.
unidentified
And on Christmas Day, when it is the birthday of Jesus, he celebrates like the rest of us.
He does not go play basketball with his homosexual friend while the rest of us are celebrating the breath of the Lord Jesus Christ, singing all to the town of Bethlehem and Silent Night and the First Noel.
This low-life heathen is in the gym with his homosexual lover.
Thank you.
I'm ready!
pastor david manning
So when I get started, we're going to discover the truth.
And I want to tell you that my God, He is able.
We will get to the bottom of what's going on.
This nation will not become Sharia.
This nation will not become led by Muslims.
unidentified
Indeed!
pastor david manning
It is the biblical, noble, constitutional thing to do to drive Muslims from this land.
unidentified
Let them go back to the burning sands of Saudi Arabia.
Let them go back to the hills of Afghanistan.
But get them out of America unless they want to confess.
Jesus is Lord!
Be washed in the blood of Jesus!
Then go back to your goat-herding, sand-walking tent, if you will, goat-cheese-eating, rag-head nations, and be Muslim there!
But not here!
Not here.
Not here!
jordan holmes
Hey, go back to fucking Jerusalem, you goddamn moron!
unidentified
Alex Jones!
pastor david manning
You got another soldier, bro!
unidentified
Hallelujah!
Praise Almighty God!
I'm ready!
dan friesen
It says from the pulpit, Alex Jones, you've got another soldier.
jordan holmes
And he says, I'm ready just like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And when he said, Alex Jones, you've got another soldier, I mean, we've heard a lot of applause, but someone yelled hallelujah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So you should recognize, I think, everybody, that these worlds are deeply connected.
Just the fact that he...
Reverend Manning doesn't support Trump anymore.
Doesn't really matter as much as these other things that clearly had enough overlap that, you know, it's such a mess.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I mean, what do we got?
I mean, what do we have?
We've shown that someone bad is bad, I guess.
I don't know.
It's this really interesting dynamic that I think is so...
It exists so...
Abundantly in the right wing and in the bigot communities that you have this rising of talent.
You know, like Alex is a really talented broadcaster, and then you scratch a little bit and you see all this, oh my god, you're a white supremacist, you have really dangerous opinions, you're leading people down a terrible road.
The same way you have Reverend Manning, who is this really gifted orator in many ways, like the ability, like the speaking.
Yeah.
He's an engaging-ass speaker.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
If he were giving a speech about something like, I don't know, like Lost.
If he was making a video about Lost instead of the Stefan Molyneux one I watched, and he was yelling about, luck!
You know, like, luck is the truth, and not let me tell you.
Like, that sort of thing.
I'd be like, oh, God, I love this.
I'm into it.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
There's that natural talent that's there, and then beneath it is...
An incredibly dangerous, manipulative, monstrous human who wishes murder upon homosexuals and the LGBT community.
The reality is so much different than the presentation.
I guess that's my point.
Anyway, if you guys want us to do more...
On Reverend Manning, although I don't know why you would want us to at this point.
jordan holmes
Way to leave him wanting more, Dan.
dan friesen
No, but I think the mystery is solved outside of being able to find a hundred more instances of him saying goofy nonsense.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I think this is a little bit of sour grapes in the sense that we did this episode as sort of, like, this is a possibility for us to look at.
jordan holmes
I mean, we know that Carrie is an anti-Semite.
You know, we've gotten out there.
dan friesen
Mildly.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
I made a face.
How can you mildly be...
Yeah.
Like, I mean, it is weird.
Everybody that we talk about is a fucking monster.
That doesn't mean we can't still...
dan friesen
Right.
Laugh.
jordan holmes
It's the only way we can deal with these fucking idiots.
dan friesen
I don't know how much fertile territory there is within Reverend Manning.
Although that clip about African history gives me some hope.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because at least that gives an avenue to go down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the more concrete bullshit a person says, the more you get excited.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's stuff like that.
Maybe we'll be able to dig up some things like that.
But in terms of his bigger story, it is really just...
For whatever reason, he hates gay people.
And it is such a visceral thing for him that it invades almost every aspect of anything he does.
And he hates bread.
Also hates bread.
That might be something we could dig into.
jordan holmes
We can always dig into bread.
dan friesen
But I guess the bigger point is if you want us to cover him more, let us know.
We might do that.
Also, if there's other suggestions that you have, because I'm banging my head up against a wall a little bit in terms of like who has shows that are things that we could go over.
jordan holmes
That are fun.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
I'm willing to explore a whole lot of territory.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, I mean, I don't want to do too much more space stuff.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, I think we're...
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
Because we have had a couple suggestions from people, and I appreciate it, but they're more hard space stuff.
jordan holmes
Hard sci-fi kind of guys?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm not sure...
What's fun about Project Camelot is the lies.
The space lies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If there's something like that, then sure.
But anyway, if you have a suggestion, please feel free to send us an email.
It's knowledgefight at gmail.com.
Anyway, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
We do!
We have a Twitter account.
dan friesen
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
We have a Facebook group.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
unidentified
That's correct.
dan friesen
We're also on iTunes.
jordan holmes
We are on iTunes.
You can subscribe, leave a review, etc.
You've heard a podcast before.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
You know the deal.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, like I said earlier, Lena Dunham has been a guest on the Chris Gethard show, but she has not committed a murder, as far as I know.
jordan holmes
As far as we're aware.
dan friesen
It would seem incongruous for her to have killed anybody.
jordan holmes
It would be weird.
dan friesen
There's one guy.
There's one dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's the guy who, Reverend Manning, he's a soldier for him.
jordan holmes
Hallelujah.
dan friesen
In his army.
That guy, Alex Jones, probably technically killed a dude.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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