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Nov. 21, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
01:58:40
#230C: Obama Deception, Part 3

Today, Dan and Jordan enter Part 3 of their coverage of Alex Jones' 2009 "documentary" The Obama Deception. In this installment, we see Alex completely blow it with list-making, misrepresent some history, and make a few decent points for the completely wrong reasons.

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alex jones
08:12
d
dan friesen
01:11:09
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jordan holmes
28:36
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george humphrey
01:12
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gerald celente
01:02
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webster tarpley
02:31
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barack obama
00:07
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krs-one
00:23
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
The other voice you will hear shortly is my co-host, Jordan.
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
As is the case this week, talk a lot about him.
In particular, the Obama deception, his 2009 quote-unquote documentary.
We are here on part three of our investigation of said...
And if you're listening to this episode, you haven't listened to the other ones, I recommend.
Please go back and listen to the other ones.
It'll help it sort of make sense, but not really all that much, because this documentary doesn't really make sense at all.
It's incredibly difficult for me to cut this into episodes, because we just end up jumping off in the middle of one thing, he comes back in the other.
There's no segmentation, there's no chapters in this documentary, so it's a real challenge, and I hope you guys are all enjoying it and keeping, it's not whiplash or anything like that.
But today we got part three.
That's exciting.
But before we get to that, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you to some of the people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So we'd like to give a shout-out and thank them.
First of all, I'd like to say thank you to Leslie.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Leslie.
Thank you so much.
Also, I'd like to say thank you to Robert.
Robert, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Robert.
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We would appreciate it oh so very much.
But for now, let's jump back into part three of our coverage of the Obama deception, if you recall.
Where we left off the last episode, Alex had just got done lying about the Federal Reserve and how it's private, and I explained why that is a load of bullshit and told you how the Federal Reserve System works.
Now we'll jump in on a completely different topic that Alex is talking about, but it is just immediately after in the documentary.
gerald celente
I mean, can't Wall Street has hijacked Washington in broad daylight?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
We were watching a documentary.
I completely forgot for a while.
Get a haircut!
george humphrey
Every one of his appointments are there to screw the American people.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
They're all there to screw the American people.
dan friesen
They're all status quo.
jordan holmes
Every single one of them is there to screw the American people.
dan friesen
It's a meaningless statement.
george humphrey
Every single one of his appointments are people who are working to bring down the republic and the constitution of this country.
unidentified
If I say things confidently, you will believe them.
dan friesen
So, Timothy Geithner is, I don't know if he's a member of the Bilderberg Group, that again is not a designation that actually exists.
jordan holmes
Not a thing?
dan friesen
But he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Alex doesn't have that up on screen, you can see there.
He was a member of the Trilateral Commission, but he left the group when he took a position in the Obama administration.
alex jones
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is a Bilderberg and CFR member.
She is also married to Trilateral Commission member William Jefferson Clinton.
jordan holmes
All right, dude, hold on.
What?
That was unnecessary.
dan friesen
There's no evidence that Hillary is a member of Bilderberg because, again, that's not a real thing.
jordan holmes
That's not a thing.
dan friesen
She attended in 1997 when she was first lady, but there's no evidence she attended any other conferences.
Hillary is listed as a CFR member on Wikipedia, but there's no citation in their public membership roles on the Council on Foreign Relations website.
Bill and Chelsea Clinton are listed as members of the Council on Foreign Relations, but Hillary is not.
The Trilateral Commission's member list from this time is also available online, and Hillary Clinton is not a member or a former member of the Trilateral Commission.
That is made up.
unidentified
So, also, come on, man.
jordan holmes
His name's Bill Clinton.
His name's Bill Clinton.
alex jones
Just call him Bill Clinton.
dan friesen
So Susan Rice is a member of the Trilateral Commission.
She also left when she joined the Obama administration.
Also, why didn't Alex point out that she's also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations?
What information is he going off of?
That would help him in his fake argument.
She's a member of the CFR, too.
Put that on there.
He doesn't bring it up.
alex jones
National Security Advisor General James Jones.
jordan holmes
He looks like a bat.
alex jones
Trilateral Commission and CFR.
dan friesen
So, James L. Jones did attend a Bilderberg meeting in 2005, but that doesn't make him a member of the group or anything like that.
There's no evidence that he's a member of the CFR, but there is a James R. Jones that is, so maybe Alex mixed that up.
Much like Tim Geithner and Susan Rice.
jordan holmes
That is exactly like saying that, General James L. Jones was the bad guy in...
dan friesen
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I was making a Conan the Barbarian reference.
dan friesen
I thought you were going James Earl Jones.
jordan holmes
It's Conan the Barbarian!
God damn it, Dan!
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
Wait, did you think James Earl Jones was a writer on The Simpsons?
dan friesen
James L. Brooks.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Our references just hit each other.
Like, cars that hit in a T-bone.
So there's no evidence he's a member of CFR.
Like I said, James R. Jones.
But much like Tim Geithner and Susan Rice, Jones was previously a member of the Trilateral Commission, but left the position when he became Obama's National Security Advisor or before.
alex jones
Deputy National Security Advisor Thomas Donilon.
Trilateral Commission CFR.
dan friesen
So, he says Trilateral Commission CFR.
jordan holmes
Wait, but he doesn't have it on the screen.
dan friesen
The card is wrong.
I don't know.
Anyway, Thomas Donilon was definitely...
jordan holmes
Who made this shit?
dan friesen
Thomas Donilon was definitely a member of the CFR.
Not sure if he was a Trilateral Commission member.
Oh, sorry.
He was formerly one.
Again, like a lot of these people, he was formerly one.
I don't think it means anything, though.
Like I say, I don't know.
My notes are a mess.
I don't know why.
I start editorializing at a certain point.
I read this sentence like I think it's important, but it's just, I don't think this means anything.
jordan holmes
How many more minutes before we just get all of your notes saying...
dan friesen
Fuck this.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
dan friesen
No, there is going to be a point where I'm like, fuck this, this documentary doesn't mean anything.
Here's what I want to talk about.
So, look forward to that.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
But this is the closest of all these people that Alex ends up listing.
It's closest to real.
Because he was a member of the CFR and he was a member of Trilateral Commission.
But at the same time, he messed up the visual card.
jordan holmes
The title card is trouble.
alex jones
Special State Department Envoy.
unidentified
Boo!
alex jones
Boo!
Trilateral Commission.
dan friesen
Fuck that guy!
jordan holmes
Kissinger, my ass!
dan friesen
Henry Kissinger probably was all of those things.
There's some debate whether or not he's still a member of the CFR.
There's talk that he had left.
It's unclear to me at this point.
But the problem is that he wasn't part of the Obama administration.
He wasn't a special envoy.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
You can find a list of all of Obama's special envoys.
Kissinger wasn't one of them.
He wasn't a part of the Obama administration at all.
jordan holmes
Why even throw Kissinger in there?
dan friesen
Because he's one of his big bad guys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, but Kissinger has so many other big bad guy things.
He is genuinely evil.
Because Alex doesn't care about those things.
dan friesen
He doesn't care about those things.
They were done to brown people in third world countries.
He doesn't give a shit about that.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
But God, you could just, like, why not, why, like, get rid of a couple of these guys.
Like, okay, get rid of Susan Rice.
You don't need her.
Put another title card of the evil shit that Kissinger has done.
dan friesen
But because she's the person who went to the U.N. Yeah, she's the U.N. It's important that he points out that the U.N. person is.
jordan holmes
The U.N. has to be evil.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
alex jones
Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volcker, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations.
dan friesen
This is the first one that Alex is almost entirely right about.
He is all three of those things.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, cool.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
At some point in his life, he was all three of those things.
Why doesn't Alex point out that he was a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?
jordan holmes
Oh, that seems really important.
That seems like number one!
He should have been the first one on this whole fucking list!
dan friesen
Well, Chairman of the Economic Recovery Committee isn't as impressive as Secretary of State.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so if I'm organizing this, I want...
Founding member first.
And then that builds up as you get more cachet throughout the rest of them.
dan friesen
If the Trilateral Commission is evil, he was one of the first people in it.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
He's the most evil.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
So you throw him in there up top, and then you're like, oh, and see?
He's in like this economic recovery committee?
That doesn't sound...
Too evil?
You know, that doesn't sound like he has too much power.
And then, because he founded the thing, then you start bringing in Susan Rice.
Oh, she's the ambassador to the UN.
That's not that big a deal.
She's just an ambassador.
And then you bring in Tim Geithner, and you're like, oh shit, this is the guy.
And then you bring him back.
You punch it through, man!
dan friesen
He was also a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, and in his role as the economic recovery chairperson, he felt that Tim Geithner was being real fucking rude to him, and keeping him isolated from meetings, which I would think Alex would be super thrilled about.
The idea that Tim Geithner's like, no, no, no, Paul Volcker, get out of here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but petty squabbles aren't really Alex's thing.
dan friesen
He loves palace entry.
alex jones
The Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR.
jordan holmes
Wait, did he say Director of National Intelligence?
On the screen says Director of National Security.
dan friesen
That's a problem.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, the issue is...
jordan holmes
You know you're not making this live, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, he knows he's not live.
dan friesen
He basically was.
I mean, he rushed this to print so fast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, you could at least watch it one time before you throw it.
dan friesen
Do QA work at all?
This is insane.
The voiceover is correct.
He was the Director of National Intelligence.
The screen is wrong.
Director of National Security is the guy we talked about earlier, James L. Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So this is sloppy as fuck.
jordan holmes
Darth Vader.
dan friesen
Dennis Blair is not a member of the CFR.
He was a former member of the Trilateral Commission, and there's no evidence he's ever been to Bilderberg.
alex jones
Boo!
jordan holmes
Fuck that guy!
alex jones
Boo!
dan friesen
Robert Gates was appointed by Bush.
He's a member of the CFR.
He was not a member of the Trilateral Commission.
The only source I can find that says he was a Bilderberg attendee is a post on the New American website that says, quote, Not on the public list, but spotted at the conference, according to unconfirmed reports from correspondents in St. Mortis, was Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
jordan holmes
Nothing more reliable than unconfirmed reports.
dan friesen
The word correspondence is a hyperlink that leads to an Infowars story that says, quote, Infowars reporters Aaron Dykes and Paul Joseph Watson have received confirmation from an inside source that five other influential people who are not named on the official attendee list are in attendance at Bilderberg Conference 2011.
jordan holmes
So even in their five other people, they're not named?
dan friesen
There's no proof.
There's no documentation.
Just a supposed inside source who is obviously Daniel Estelon.
Plus, this is from 2011, two years after this documentary came out.
So, who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
These guys.
alex jones
Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, CFR.
dan friesen
James Steinberg is a CFR member, and he's participated in multiple Bilderberg conferences, that's for damn sure.
He was a former member of the Trilateral Commission, but left before joining the Obama administration.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
State Department Special Envoy, Richard Haas, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, and President of the CFR.
dan friesen
Haas was a special envoy to Northern Ireland from 2001 to 2003.
jordan holmes
It doesn't get more powerful than the special envoy to Northern Ireland.
dan friesen
But he had no position in the Obama administration.
He couldn't be the president of the CFR and even endorse Obama because the group takes a firmly anti-partisan position.
He's a member of the Trilateral Commission.
The Hill reported that Haas was at Bilderberg in 2005, but who gives a shit?
Alex is lying about him having a position in the Obama administration, so none of the rest of this is going to matter.
unidentified
So who gives a fuck?
dan friesen
Yeah, who cares?
alex jones
Obama presidential advisor Alan Greenspan.
Bilderberg Group.
Trilateral Commission.
jordan holmes
C.F.R.
dan friesen
Alan Greenspan is a member of the CFR.
He's not a member of the Trilateral Commission.
He apparently attended Bilderberg in 2002.
More importantly, though, he wasn't one of Obama's advisors.
On the campaign trail, Obama was super critical of Greenspan's policies as the chairman of the Federal Reserve up until 2006.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any.
Wait, why?
dan friesen
Because he presided over the dot-com bubble in the period where the groundwork needed to create the subprime mortgage crisis was created.
jordan holmes
You're just, now you're, what, are you mad at Ayn Rand?
dan friesen
There's so many articles you can find.
I find online about Obama being fucking harshly critical of Alan Greenspan.
jordan holmes
No!
Nobody could criticize Alan Greenspan!
dan friesen
Even if he were an advisor for Obama, shouldn't Alex like that?
Alan Greenspan was a free market kind of guy who hated raising taxes and loved the absence of government regulation.
That should be...
jordan holmes
Again, Ayn Rand.
dan friesen
If there is someone who should run the Fed that Alex likes, it would be Alan Greenspan.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He should love the idea that he's an advisor for Obama, but he wasn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but here's the thing, alright?
Alan Greenspan, sure, he did all the stuff that Alex wants him to do, but that stuff turned out bad.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
So Alan Greenspan is bad.
dan friesen
Bad, bad.
He's a bad boy.
jordan holmes
Right.
But not the things that he believes that he then followed up on that made everything turn bad.
dan friesen
We're running into a little bit of an issue with...
Letting the outcome dictate your principles.
Exactly.
And how that's not a good idea.
jordan holmes
No, it's a bad idea.
dan friesen
Because you look like a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
You're an idiot.
alex jones
State Department Special Envoy Richard C. Holbrook.
Bilderberg.
Trilateral.
CFR.
jordan holmes
Are we just listing names?
dan friesen
Yep.
Finally, Alex is right about someone being a Bilderberg member.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's on the steering committee.
dan friesen
He's on the steering committee.
jordan holmes
Hey, how about that?
unidentified
Bring out the clowns.
jordan holmes
Oh shit, there was just a lot of balloons dropped in here.
dan friesen
He struck out like ten times, but then he got one right.
jordan holmes
Oh, Casey hit the bat all over again.
dan friesen
He left the trilateral committee by this point, and he's been a CFR member since at least 2003.
I know that because the CFR, which is so fucking secretive, that he put out a press release announcing his membership, complete with a dateline at the top and the contact information of the director of communications for the Council of Foreign Relations.
Obama appointed him as a, quote, special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, where he advocated for such nefarious globalist plots as focusing on, quote, boosting the agriculture sector in Afghanistan.
Holbrook is a lifelong diplomat, so the post really makes sense.
I'm not going to argue with it.
Holbrook was ultimately ineffective in his position, and he died about a year later after he was put in the post.
His last words to his doctor were, this was kind of joking around with the doctor, but it's so adorable.
These were his last words.
He said to the doctor, quote, you've got to end this war in Afghanistan.
I love that.
jordan holmes
That's pretty great.
You get a lot of points if your last words are that fucking great.
dan friesen
Sure.
Or like Ernest.
Ernest P. Whirl is last words.
Tell the kids not to smoke.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Using your last words to try and make the world better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's fun.
alex jones
And the list goes on and on.
dan friesen
Oh, does it?
That was...
unidentified
That's it.
dan friesen
That's his list.
That was 13 people and there's serious problems with that list.
Three of the people that he listed in that group...
Are not even in the Obama administration at all.
Alex is claiming that they are.
jordan holmes
That brings us down to ten.
dan friesen
One of them is given the wrong title on screen.
So Alex doesn't know what his job is.
jordan holmes
That gives us nine.
dan friesen
One of them was appointed by Bush.
jordan holmes
Okay, so that gives us eight.
dan friesen
If you count the people who have left the Trilateral Commission as Alex being wrong, then he really only got one of these people's description right at all, and that's Paul Volcker, and he didn't even mention that he was the founding member of the Trilateral Commission.
So, like, I don't understand.
Like, this list is...
Full of holes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but the Volcker deception would have been terrible.
dan friesen
Also, please consider this is 13 people.
It wasn't even Obama's entire cabinet.
It was just 13 people cherry-picked out of the hundreds that Obama had on his team.
Even if you've been absolutely correct about each and every one of these people being members of all three of his shadowy organizations, what the fuck does that prove?
It's just a drop in the ocean.
There's 19 people in Obama's main cabinet.
The main positions in his cabinet.
Alex didn't mention any of them, and they aren't members of any of those groups.
So, like, you could play this game every single direction if you want to.
Like, I could flash up on screen, Eric Holder, not member of any of these groups.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Attorney General.
jordan holmes
That wouldn't help.
dan friesen
No, I could do...
jordan holmes
That would be a bad documentary.
dan friesen
Joe Biden, Vice President, not member of any of these groups.
jordan holmes
That would...
dan friesen
Hilda Solis, Labor Secretary, not member of any of these groups.
jordan holmes
Now I'm more interested in an hour-and-a-half-long documentary that is just who is and is not in Obama's cabinet is a member of those groups, and we're going to start alphabetically with the entire population of the world.
dan friesen
Let's do it.
jordan holmes
Hey, Aaron Aronson, not a member of these groups.
dan friesen
Aaron Rodgers, CFR.
This is shit.
This is shit.
jordan holmes
This is terrible.
dan friesen
This is bad work.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's bad.
alex jones
Even if Barack Obama were the most wonderful person in the world, he was groomed and brought to power by the global elite to carry out their agenda.
jordan holmes
Citation needed.
dan friesen
Small point.
Yeah.
You haven't proved that.
Yeah.
So far.
You have proven nothing close to that.
alex jones
No.
Humanity must look past Obama and realize that presidents come and go, but the shadow government and their program of global enslavement continues.
gerald celente
How could people be so stupid and gullible to believe a bunch of political...
unidentified
Get up!
webster tarpley
So people who voted for Obama were trying to express, I think, first of all, something worthwhile.
The hatred for Bush, Cheney, the neocons, the desire to punish the Republicans for their adventures, their police state, and their economic depression.
The second question was on the economy.
People felt that Bush was selling them down the river into a world depression.
He is, of course, the new Herbert Hoover in that regard.
So they were trying to get something different from that.
Tragedy, of course, is, and this is really why Obama was groomed and prepared over a period of almost 30 years.
What?
unidentified
That Obama is there to frustrate and to deceive all of those hopes.
webster tarpley
Obama is a cruel hoax.
dan friesen
There's something very strange about Alex's world and the politics of everyone around him that's so profoundly self-censored.
Self-centered.
That it can't see any action or belief outside of its relation to themselves.
Tons of people excited about the prospect of Obama and liberal policies he discussed on the campaign trail are minimized into people who were just expressing their anger at Bush.
Which is a positive to Tarpley, I guess.
Everything that's good or bad is a response to what their side is doing.
What this in essence does is rob the left, or really anyone who's not in their weird patriot conspiracy tip, of any agency.
You don't really believe in gun control.
You're just responding to how much we love guns.
It's that same dumb thinking that really is a dead end.
It's really, really fucking stupid.
It's childish and self-centered to a level that it's painful to some extent.
Because I would never think...
Like, oh, you conservatives are just mad that I have a lip ring.
I don't have a lip ring.
But if I did, they're going, I have a mohawk and a lip ring, and you just, you old fuddy-duddies, you just don't like my coolness.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But that is the equivalent of what they're expressing.
Like, Webster-Tarpoli literally said that the people who support Obama are expressing something positive, which is a hatred of Bush.
It's like, yes, they do hate Bush, but that's not what they're expressing.
You are looking at only the negatives applied to you as opposed to the positives that exist externally because were you to recognize those for a second, you would have to either debate those positive points or admit that you don't give a shit and ignore those because you're a dumb fuck.
jordan holmes
I am so, so happy that you watched this beforehand.
Listen to that.
And then spent time writing an eloquent response.
dan friesen
Half of what I just said was the written part, and the other part was a little bit off the top.
jordan holmes
But the point being, that is exactly what I thought immediately.
But because I'm in the moment, I was just going to screech.
dan friesen
Fuck you, old man!
jordan holmes
I was just going to screech like a pterodactyl came back to life.
No, but it is...
You are...
Absolutely.
Thank you.
100% correct on all fronts.
Thank you so much for avoiding me just going like, Fuck you!
dan friesen
You're fucking wrong!
I think there's value in that response because it is how I feel.
unidentified
It's insane!
dan friesen
It's how I feel.
But at the same time, really hitting the point of what he's expressing is so important because it really does underlie so much of this.
When we talk about Alex Jones, I think I don't...
I don't deal with that, but I've felt that in the back of my head for a really long time, and it took something as overt as what Webster Tarpley just said to really, like, oh, that's what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's sort of a hand-revealing moment, to some extent.
jordan holmes
But it's the logical endpoint of that wake-up, sheeple.
Point.
Or thought process.
dan friesen
The clip right before this was Salenti calling everybody stupid.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Like, the idea is that everybody who believes exactly what I say, the way I say it, is a...
And everybody else is not awake.
You're all reacting to what's real, which is what I'm saying.
You are not capable of agency yourselves.
And the only way that you'll ever be capable of agency is if you agree with me.
And until then, you are only reacting the way that they want you to.
dan friesen
The way the Jews have told you to.
More or less.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
When you cut through the sort of layers of veneer, that's kind of...
jordan holmes
I'm the only person.
You are all nothing.
dan friesen
Us white Anglo-Saxon Protestant straight men are...
The only people who are really doing anything.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And all of you other people are tricked by these bankers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I mean, there's a kernel of it that's very similar.
Like, when I was watching this, I was thinking about that.
It's very similar to how the ancient alien stuff.
Like, the explanations of aliens creating the pyramids and stuff like that.
All that really does is take agency away from non-white people in the past.
No one says that aliens built the Parthenon or anything like that.
No one says anything like that.
They're like, oh yeah, those Greeks knew how to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
And it's the same sort of kernel.
It's this idea of those who aren't in my clique, my in-group or whatever, I don't believe them to be capable of positive thought.
Only reactive thought.
Oh, sure.
Those Egyptians were able to be used at the direction of the aliens.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, they lugged the blocks, which would be the equivalent of Webster Tarply saying these people were lugged.
The lugging of bricks around would be the equivalent of voting for Obama.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, there is that.
jordan holmes
And he's never seen Fitzcarraldo, so he doesn't even know that you can take a boat over a mountain.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a bummer.
You look at stuff like that, and you're just like, it's hard to look at that and be like, oh, you're a great historian.
It's really tough to hear that mentality.
But again, this is why Webster Tarpley is so interesting to me.
Why was he able to break the conditioning?
But why was he able to come out and be like, Trump is trying to institute fascism, and part of it is a real failure of Ron Paul and the fake principled libertarianism that has been around forever?
Why did he get there in early 2016?
And also, why does he still have a show on the Genesis Communications Network?
jordan holmes
Wait, he still does?
dan friesen
Yeah, you bet.
jordan holmes
What?
In 2018?
Oh, we've got to get him on our show.
dan friesen
It's a weekly show.
jordan holmes
We've got to give him a call.
dan friesen
But why is he still...
jordan holmes
Calling in to Webster Tarpley!
dan friesen
Why is Ted Anderson still paying him?
It seems to me maybe Ted Anderson isn't all...
I mean, I know he was a big rock hall guy.
jordan holmes
Why is Shepard Smith still on Fox News?
Nobody knows.
Everybody's fine with it.
dan friesen
That's a great analogy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whatever it is we're going to do, we're going to do.
dan friesen
Okay, so anyway.
webster tarpley
Bogus Sham.
He's in absolute denial of everything that you'd expect from an American president.
alex jones
It is very disturbing to see well-meaning people falling for high-tech propaganda over and over again.
unidentified
Tell me about it, dude.
webster tarpley
Oh, high-tech propaganda, you said.
unidentified
I think we both had a very similar reaction to that.
alex jones
The American people in mass were swept into a mob psychology, irrationally throwing their common sense to the wind and doing whatever the administration told them to.
The general public eventually caught on to the fact that George W. Bush was a deceitful thug.
dan friesen
Fair enough, but the implication that he's trying to make that he's leaving unsaid is, except me and my buddies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
We're smart enough to see through it.
jordan holmes
I don't like whenever they do get something.
That's a brag.
I don't like whenever they get something right in the wrong way.
It bums me out.
dan friesen
I don't think that they're...
I mean, I was part of protest communities around that time on the left.
I don't think anybody didn't know that Bush was a fucking thug.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
We all figured that out.
dan friesen
Like, a 2000 election was heartbreaking.
That was before 9-11.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that was...
jordan holmes
Also, it was stolen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was literally stolen.
dan friesen
All that happened pre-9-11.
Like, it's not like people didn't understand the game before 9-11, but people came together after it because, of course you do!
You're fucking humans!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
The economy was in free fall.
In the midst of it all, Barack Obama was there, speaking out against the abuse of the people at the hands of the establishment.
jordan holmes
Wait, in 2000?
dan friesen
Wait, wait.
unidentified
So we're jumping years apart.
dan friesen
Of course, but that also undercuts his point if he came out of nowhere.
That sort of idea.
After 9-11, Bush is trying to do all this shit, but there was Obama saying, no, no, sir.
So then you have to have been aware of him beforehand.
jordan holmes
What is your window for coming out of nowhere?
You know?
dan friesen
It's very small.
jordan holmes
Like, it has to be coming onto the scene out of nowhere.
dan friesen
It requires surprise.
jordan holmes
Okay, it's almost, it's like, when Wayne Gretzky got to the Hall of Fame, nobody's like...
Wayne Gretzky came here out of nowhere.
Like, it was literally...
dan friesen
We knew since this guy...
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Now that came out of nowhere!
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no one saw that shit coming.
That's the difference.
dan friesen
Okay, I think we nailed it.
jordan holmes
I think we nailed it!
The two greatest analogies there's ever been.
alex jones
The United States was no longer in the hands of madmen.
But unfortunately for humanity, this was another vicious fraud.
george humphrey
I want to like the guy.
jordan holmes
I bet you do.
Get a haircut.
george humphrey
He seems to be a man of peace.
jordan holmes
Two seconds away from saying articulate.
george humphrey
But you know what?
Is that a tree is really, really measured by the quality of its fruit.
dan friesen
I'm sick of that metaphor.
jordan holmes
Nope.
george humphrey
When you put away all the flowery words, when you put away all the rhetoric, when you put away all the rock and roll music.
jordan holmes
I'm a racist.
george humphrey
What he does is what's important for the people of the country, starting with the truth.
webster tarpley
Obama is notoriously a liar.
He promised that he would get out of Iraq, I think within 16 months at some point.
He's been president for two months!
That he wouldn't be bound by those promises.
And sure enough, he's now not going to be bound by those promises.
jordan holmes
What about the Dutchman?
dan friesen
So real quick, what did he say?
jordan holmes
What about the Dutchman?
dan friesen
Mr. Richards.
So the interview Webster Tarpley is talking about there isn't in the Scotsman.
It was actually on the BBC, a show called Hard Talk.
But honestly, who cares?
Because everyone's lying about what Obama actually said about bringing troops home during the campaign.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
From his official website, quote, I'd go to the Wayback Machine to gather this one.
Quote, Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in.
Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq, ending the war.
The removal of the troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government.
Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of one to two brigades per month that would remove all of them in 16 months.
That's where the 16-month number comes from, not from a promise to bring everyone home within that time period, but that it was assessment that what military experts...
Gotcha.
jordan holmes
An estimation of both the most expedient and the most responsible way of doing so.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
By any estimation, was a...
dan friesen
Maybe a little ambitious.
jordan holmes
A little ambitious and didn't happen.
dan friesen
And then when he did remove all the troops, it ended up...
jordan holmes
Oh, how dare you remove all those troops, Obama!
You're ruining this fucking country!
You can't remove all those troops!
dan friesen
And then it left a power vacuum that ISIS stepped in.
He had to send more troops in.
And that's all unfortunate, but there's no way for Alex to know any of that stuff now, so we leave that aside.
So...
jordan holmes
It's a good thing that...
Wait.
It's...
It is fascinating.
It is fascinating to watch this documentary now and remember we're still there.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
Like, this seems so far in the past.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
This seems so far in the past.
dan friesen
It's almost a decade ago we made this film.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
And we're still fucking there.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a mess.
jordan holmes
And because we've been there for essentially my entire adult life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's almost in the background all the time.
Like, behind all of the Trump news...
dan friesen
I mean, were you 16 when the Iraq war started?
unidentified
Something like that?
jordan holmes
Something like that, yeah.
You're three years older than me.
Why are we pretending that there's this massive age difference?
dan friesen
No, I was just trying to do the math.
I wasn't saying that as a dismissive thing.
I remember that I was 19. I graduated high school already.
That's the only reason I...
jordan holmes
Right, right.
No, I couldn't participate in any of these anti-war protests because I was still in high school.
dan friesen
I was in my in-between year of high school and college, which most people used to backpack Europe, and I did drugs in the basement.
jordan holmes
That is eerily close.
dan friesen
Did a lot of drugs in the basement and also did some protesting.
Not wasted time.
jordan holmes
It's amazing that regardless of all the palace intrigue that we read about with Trump every fucking day, we're still doing this.
We're still fucking doing it.
dan friesen
It's a sobering realization.
jordan holmes
I mean, to the point where in the 2018 election, in the 2016 election, nobody ran on ending the war in Iraq.
dan friesen
I think a lot of people paid lip service to it.
jordan holmes
We just assumed we're still going to be doing this till we die.
dan friesen
I think that, I don't know, if you talk about the presidents, I think they were throwing bigger shit at each other to some extent.
But then, you know, maybe some down-ballot people brought it up.
jordan holmes
I'm amazed.
dan friesen
I agree with you.
jordan holmes
It's sobering and depressing.
dan friesen
It's fucked up.
It's not something that we would like to be the case.
But there's more important things to talk about in terms of what he said there.
Because he was talking about Samantha Power doing this interview, which he said was in The Scotsman, but it was actually on BBC Hard Talk.
So Samantha Power was an advisor for the Obama campaign in 2008.
In her Hard Talk interview, she expressed doubts that Obama could realistically withdraw the troops in the 16-month time frame.
She clarified that Obama would take all the advice available and would work on making the best path for the country.
forward once he was in office and knew all the variables, stressing that the plans that he's able to make as a candidate and a senator are not the same as what he would be able to make once he's the president.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And it would be foolish to make a plan in March 2008 when the situation may change by January 2009.
So she was just basically cladding.
Not may.
unidentified
Will.
dan friesen
Yeah.
She was just clarifying, and she said that the 16-month window reflected a best-case scenario, which I think is a fair way to put it, even from what Obama promised.
I don't think that that's unfair at all.
But interestingly...
Based on the fact that Webster Tarpley mentions that interview incorrectly as Power doing an interview with the Scotsman, I know that he knows that she also was no longer with the Obama campaign, having resigned in March 2008, in the immediate aftermath of her interview with the Scotsman.
The problem was that she said this, We fucked up in Ohio.
In Ohio, they're obsessed, and Hillary is going to town with it, because she knows Ohio is the only place that she can win.
She's a monster, too.
That's off the record.
She's stooping to anything.
If you're poor, and she's telling you some story about Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it'll be more effective.
The amount of deceit she's put forward is really unattractive.
jordan holmes
So she was...
I did not know that Obama hired Scaramucci as well.
unidentified
She went off script.
jordan holmes
This is off the record.
Excuse me.
You know we have to agree to that.
dan friesen
You can't just throw that out there.
unidentified
You can't just say it's off the record.
jordan holmes
Also, we're the Scotsmen.
We don't give a shit if you say it's off the record.
We're not from there.
dan friesen
So she obviously had some fallout from this and had to resign from the campaign, which Tarpley has to know if he's referencing the Scotsman.
jordan holmes
If he's referencing the Scotsman.
dan friesen
So he already knows that this is something that happened in March 2008, presumably nine, ten months before this interview happened.
He's referencing an interview that was done on a different medium than he's reporting, which is just her clarifying...
A misconception about the position that Obama had.
And he knows that immediately, almost immediately after both of these interviews, because they were pretty close together, she ended up leaving the campaign.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I rate this as utter bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's complete bullshit.
unidentified
Agreed.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
alex jones
I pledged in hundreds of speeches and interviews that within six months of being elected, he was going to bring our troops home from Iraq.
jordan holmes
It hasn't been six months since he's been elected yet!
dan friesen
No, and he didn't say that.
If he had said that, that's the easiest clip for Alex to prove.
Pull it up.
Yeah, throw it on there.
jordan holmes
Put it in the documentary.
dan friesen
It'd be a great commit.
alex jones
It didn't change.
dan friesen
It reflected the advice of the people who he had hired To advise him in those capacities.
unidentified
...would look at bringing the troops home in 23 months.
jordan holmes
You know what's fun about the Washington Post?
dan friesen
This article that Alex has up on screen.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So, Iraq withdrawal, colon, Obama weighs 23-month plan.
He's highlighted 23 months.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But...
Up a little bit higher, you see Blagojevich's brother asked for a donation before a Senate appointment.
dan friesen
Blago!
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
Those were the days, right?
dan friesen
Sure were.
jordan holmes
Back when Blagojevich was fucking everything up, those were the days.
unidentified
Blago!
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck you, Blagojevich.
alex jones
Well, Obama's already fudging.
unidentified
He's fudged since day one in this election, where he first said we're getting out.
jordan holmes
Show me Willie Nelson!
No whammies!
No whammies!
alex jones
They're understanding that...
unidentified
And he ain't going to be able to get him out because people more powerful than him got us in.
jordan holmes
Oh, I wanted Willie Nelson to nod.
I wanted at least one nod from Willie Nelson.
dan friesen
No more Willie.
But that doesn't mean anything, what he's saying.
But also, I love the...
Just because I'm a Lovecraft fan, I love the idea of, like, he can't take them out because more powerful people brought them in.
jordan holmes
The older ones?
dan friesen
No, that reminds me...
Do you know the case of Charles Dexter Ward?
jordan holmes
No, I don't.
dan friesen
One of Lovecraft's books?
jordan holmes
No, I know you've referenced it, and I still haven't read it.
dan friesen
One of the things in it is...
jordan holmes
Despite you.
dan friesen
Well, it has to do with necromancy, to an extent.
Being able to raise the dead.
jordan holmes
I know what necromancy is.
dan friesen
I understand this for the listener.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
dan friesen
But one of the rules of it is, don't bring up something you can't...
That's nice.
Don't raise a more powerful spirit than you're able to handle.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because that'll just fuck you up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
That's all I hear there.
It's just like, did you read Low Grab?
I know you didn't.
Sort of the same idea.
jordan holmes
Eh, they could have read Hellblazer.
dan friesen
That's possible.
That's possible.
Also, in the case of Charles Dexter Ward, there's a little subtle comedy of Charles Dexter Ward bringing back to life Benjamin Franklin to...
To get some secrets from him.
unidentified
Oh, that's fine.
dan friesen
But he's not called Benjamin Franklin.
You have to read between the lines.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fine.
unidentified
Figure out, oh, he got Franklin.
gerald celente
He just ran.
Remember, he was going to take the troops out.
I get in there, troops come home.
dan friesen
That's what you heard.
That's not what he said.
gerald celente
Day one.
unidentified
There is no military solution in Iraq, and there never was.
I will begin to remove our troops from Iraq immediately.
dan friesen
Begin to doesn't mean bring them all.
Begin to could mean set a timetable.
Begin to means the process of it.
This is not a demonstration of a lie.
jordan holmes
Begin to means I could bring one home every week.
That's still beginning to remove the troops from Iraq.
dan friesen
Or even you don't have to physically bring someone back if you...
Consult with your experts and set a goal of when you're going to.
That's still beginning bringing people back.
It's a process.
They want a unilateral executive who's going to just act.
jordan holmes
They want a fascist.
dan friesen
Yes, they want someone who's just going to cut through the bullshit and be like, consequences be damned.
Everyone's coming home.
Fuck those people over there.
I don't care.
They're all going to get slaughtered.
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem like they're interested so much in what's the best way to achieve a goal.
So much as they are in scoring points on promises.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like that idea of...
dan friesen
Again, less than two months into his presidency.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, yeah, yeah, totally.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just, it's a charade.
It's a nonsense game they're putting on.
unidentified
I mean, even if you want the...
jordan holmes
Look, I want the war in Iraq.
To end.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Even though we've announced mission accomplished, how many times?
An insane amount of times.
dan friesen
I want the past to be different, but we can't change that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
But even then, there's no way that a reasonable person could say that just unilaterally removing all troops now is going to be a good thing.
dan friesen
No, it's the same thing with Ron Paul's dumbass shit about immediately cutting off all foreign aid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The idea of like, hey, everybody being self-resilient and self-sustaining, that is a great outcome, but the path towards that outcome that you are suggesting will lead to everyone dying.
It's the same thing, you pull all the troops out, you are just willing innocent people to die in a much greater number than already have.
jordan holmes
Well, and even to change the subject, like, let's go with any kind of unilateral action like that.
I think a single-payer healthcare system is the best way to go.
The idea of Congress tomorrow instituting, even if we had supermajorities in both houses that could overcome a veto, the idea of them setting up a single-payer healthcare system tomorrow is a terrible fucking idea.
That would be chaos on a scale that nobody could comprehend.
The results of which would be both...
Disastrous and unforeseeable, you know?
dan friesen
Being in a nice cool pool feels good, but in the wrong conditions, if you jump in, you could have a heart attack.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That sort of shock that comes from...
jordan holmes
You're going to have to find a way to...
Because...
dan friesen
In the same way that there is this sort of fetishizing and hero...
jordan holmes
The great man theory of history.
dan friesen
Right.
They are also beholden to the idea of singular variables about things and don't consider all of these external ideas like, oh, well, doing that will affect all these other things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's a failure of, I think, complex thinking.
jordan holmes
Well, and that goes back to our group of Rome.
Problematique thing.
unidentified
Club.
dan friesen
Club of Rome.
jordan holmes
Club of Rome.
I apologize.
dan friesen
The villains of Alex Jones' world that he suspiciously doesn't mention at all in this documentary.
jordan holmes
Their idea of like, okay, you can play whack-a-mole, but you're not going to solve anything until you actually deal with the totality of the issue.
And somehow that's both a critique and a negative for these guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, it's because they're dumb.
jordan holmes
They are dumb.
dan friesen
That's what it really boils down to.
jordan holmes
Alright, end documentary.
We've moved on.
End our show!
We finally got a lot more listeners.
Now it's time to call it quits.
dan friesen
It's a lack of willingness to engage with complex ideas.
Insisting instead to be like, nope, it's the communists.
jordan holmes
But that's the same thing with the Fed.
It makes you angry to have to go to the second page of Google.
It makes you angry.
dan friesen
That's so foreign to me because I love it.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
It's weird to me.
jordan holmes
But that's why we're going to be killed by Trump fans.
dan friesen
I'm excited for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
gerald celente
And then that went to 16 months.
And now he's going to add, they're saying, another 30,000 or more troops to Afghanistan.
dan friesen
These numbers are off.
alex jones
Next, he sent 30,000 more Marines to Afghanistan, doubling the total number of forces in the crosshairs.
Barack then announced that he was going to move missile systems into Eastern Europe to encircle Russia.
Ah, there we are.
After he kept Bush's Secretary of Defense, Robert Bush.
dan friesen
There's that animation.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So, real quick on this, this is very important.
That idea of Obama encircling Russia isn't...
Remotely true.
Especially in 2009.
From a July 2009 article on America.gov, quote, Obama and
then Russian President Medvedev said they have directed their missile experts to, quote, conduct a joint review of the entire spectrum of means at our disposal that allow us to cooperate on monitoring the development of missile programs around the world.
Obama was working on cooperating with Russian President Medvedev to make the region safer in ways that serve both countries'interests.
To present this as some sort of an aggression towards Russia is complete bullshit.
And even though this joint agreement wasn't finalized until July of 2009, there were news reports all over the place earlier in the year when Alex was working on this documentary that testified to the fact that Obama was trying to find a way to work together.
The only reason for him to not know that...
Is willful ignorance or he's lying.
That's the only way around this.
jordan holmes
Or, and this to me seems more likely, to Medvedev and Obama, that is cooperation.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But to a certain...
Nationalistic Russian.
dan friesen
Might have been.
jordan holmes
That might not have been cooperation so much as...
An attack on our sovereignty!
dan friesen
Might have been president in all but name.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, there is that, but I can find no real evidence of it, so it seems weird to say, but like...
jordan holmes
Right, but...
unidentified
It serves me...
dan friesen
That narrative that Alex is putting into the world of the idea that Obama is trying to work to encircle Russia, it does serve the propaganda interests of Russia that we know today.
Certainly, it does.
But I can't find any evidence to back that up.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to make that claim definitively.
I'm just going to say that, once again...
Who has motive.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We both know.
It feels very weird and very in line with Alex's feelings about Russia, generally speaking.
But in terms of this documentary, it also is like Occam's razor could tell us that it's just a way for him cheaply to misrepresent something to lie about Obama.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So that's good enough for me.
jordan holmes
Of course.
No, no, no.
And I agree.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, quick question.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
And I don't know...
dan friesen
That's my response?
I love a quick question.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
I don't know if you know this or not, and in fact, I probably would guess at 95% you don't.
Do interceptor missiles actually work?
Like, has anybody ever...
So, like, that whole...
dan friesen
I think they do.
jordan holmes
Do they, though?
dan friesen
Well, I think they do, at the very least as a deterrent.
jordan holmes
It's really, really hard to shoot a missile out of the sky because it's essentially a...
A tiny little bird flying at 10 million miles an hour.
dan friesen
But you can shoot a plane out of the sky.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but a plane is big and can't go as fast.
dan friesen
Not small planes.
Look, I think, as I understand it, the technology does exist in a way that you could shoot down missiles.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I believe that does exist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But even beyond that...
You know, there is a little bit of a brinksmanship in terms of, like, you don't know all the technology I have.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
I don't know all the technology you have.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, of course.
dan friesen
I set these things up here.
You don't want to waste your rockets that you spent tons of money on with the idea that I might be able to shoot them back.
jordan holmes
I think there is a deterrent effect to it.
The Reagan gambit of Star Wars and so on and so forth.
dan friesen
There's something to it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whether or not...
It's a good idea to put billions of dollars into.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's a whole other conversation.
jordan holmes
I think, like, from everything that I've ever read about Interceptor missiles, it's like a success rate of, meh, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
That's better than zero.
jordan holmes
No, it is better than zero.
I'm just interested in whether or not anybody's ever actually...
Because it's really hard to do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I agree that it seems like it's difficult, but...
I don't know.
Look, who cares?
jordan holmes
I know you don't know the answer to it.
I was just kind of hoping that maybe by some random-ass chance you were like, and I've looked into interceptor missiles.
dan friesen
Can I be honest?
I no longer like quick questions.
You have ruined them for me.
jordan holmes
Only long questions from here on out.
webster tarpley
The outcome of this policy is if you're constantly meddling near the Russian borders with these...
Fascist creeps.
unidentified
Who does that?
webster tarpley
IMF NATO agents like Yushchenko of Ukraine or Saakashvili of Georgia.
dan friesen
He's eating his tie.
webster tarpley
Hold on, why is that?
jordan holmes
Why is that?
dan friesen
That's great B-roll.
webster tarpley
And if they decide to start a war, that rapidly escalates into thermonuclear World War III.
This is worse than the neocons.
Bush and Cheney never got as far as Brzezinski, Soros, and the other people running away.
jordan holmes
We get a Soros!
dan friesen
That is the only time Soros' name is mentioned in any way in this documentary, which is super fucked up because with the idea that Webster Tarpley is coming in saying that he is one of the people who runs Obama...
Why wasn't he listed in that list of people that included three people who aren't in the Obama administration?
You had Kissinger in there, Haas.
Why didn't you throw Soros in there?
Because he's not someone who's on Alex's radar in any meaningful way in 2009.
I mean, it's interesting.
jordan holmes
How is he on Tarpley's radar?
What's Tarpley up to?
dan friesen
Well, he's a Lyndon LaRouche guy.
unidentified
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
So, he's an anti-Semite through and through.
jordan holmes
Also, two things about this clip so far.
One, how many more places are we going to interview Tarpley?
This is like our fifth...
dan friesen
This is number three, I think, at least.
jordan holmes
This is like our fifth background.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, this is crazy how many...
dan friesen
It is weird, but they all do see...
They're probably the same room, and that outside shot was probably outside this hotel.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
It's the same place!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And two...
Because our listeners can't see it, the clip they showed...
dan friesen
The B-roll we were responding to.
jordan holmes
The B-roll we showed...
What was the guy's name?
dan friesen
It wasn't Yushchenko.
It was another one of those fascist creeps.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It was the Ukrainian guy, right?
dan friesen
No, that's Yushchenko.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
I don't remember who it was, but it was one of the fascist creeps that Tarpley listed.
jordan holmes
It's B-roll of him sitting.
He's sitting at a table.
dan friesen
It appears to be an official table.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
It looks like it's whatever version of the Oval Office his country has.
He's on the phone, and he's just kind of eating his tie.
He's chewing on his tie.
Which is like, alright, if you're gonna slander a guy, that's the perfect clip to have.
dan friesen
It's one of the best cases of editing in this documentary, I would say.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
It would only have been better if during that time he had the clip of H.W. puking in the Japanese Prime Minister's lap.
dan friesen
Just a shame reel.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Just like, alright, okay.
dan friesen
In terms of all this stuff, I think it's kind of outside of our purposes, really, to do a deep dive into the geopolitical situation in Eastern Europe in 2009.
I'm just going to leave that alone for now, just because it's outside of the thrust of the documentary.
I'll say that it's just important to remember that that conversation about the fascist creeps around Russia, what that was predicated on is the idea that Obama was putting missiles around Russia, and that's absolutely not true.
And that's the most important thing in terms of the discussion of what's happening here.
I don't care to get into the petty squabbles of whether or not Soros was working for good or ill, because it's all lies.
jordan holmes
And even then...
They specifically point out that he's putting interceptor missiles around there, which, by their very definition, are defensive.
dan friesen
Well, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
They are not there.
You can't...
I don't know if you can or not.
I assume you can't.
But you can't just, like, launch an interceptor missile on Moscow.
It seems like you would have built a...
dan friesen
This is back to your quick question.
I don't know anything about this.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
You know what?
I know a lot about Interceptor.
dan friesen
Bernie Sanders looking real pissed.
jordan holmes
Hey, Bernie!
How you doing?
alex jones
He doesn't want to be all sick of that shit.
Obama decried the Bush administration's illegal warrantless wiretapping of the American people.
Then he voted to legalize it.
dan friesen
So, real quick, a couple things.
He said that Obama said he was going to get rid of the Patriot Act.
He never said that.
He just said that what he was going to do was revisit it to see how it could be improved to strengthen oversight about government surveillance.
The promise itself, I think, is weak and so vague as to be meaningless, so I don't really know.
But he did follow through with it.
Like, he did...
Re-examine the Patriot Act.
Alex is just pretending that he said he was going to get rid of it.
Initially, he voted against it when he was in the Senate, and then a year later, he voted for its renewal.
So he has a complicated history with it, but in terms of the wiretapping thing, Alex is right.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is right.
jordan holmes
By no means are we going to...
dan friesen
Obama didn't do enough to curb that.
Some moves were made and all that.
But also here we have on screen, Alex has pushed up this, I guess it's a Washington Post article, but it's about FISA.
It's about foreign intelligence surveillance.
That isn't necessarily what Alex is talking about.
So he's trying to make this about the idea that all Americans are being spied on.
But that's not what this article is about.
It's more complicated than that.
I'm willing to give him a bit of a point.
Yeah, he didn't do enough on that one.
jordan holmes
The fun thing about this, even watching this now, is that I would posit that the debate on Obama's presidency 20 years from now...
Is going to be far more fascinating, even than the debate on Obama's presidency.
dan friesen
We're still too close to it a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It will be...
His legacy will be so interesting to try and work through on a line-by-line basis.
dan friesen
Especially once we're out of the crisis that we're in in 2018.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's very hard for us to have the gift of insight or force...
What would it be?
Hindsight.
Yeah.
While we're...
In, like, uh-oh times all the time.
It's constant chaos.
But the sort of corollary of that is that this was made two months into his presidency.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So, like, when they're saying he's not outlawing surveillance, he hasn't gotten rid of the Patriot Act.
Two months in, buddy.
Two months in.
Not that they're wrong totally.
But they have no business saying that they're right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because that hasn't happened yet.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
webster tarpley
Obama pledged that he would filibuster any attempt to give retroactive immunity to the telephone companies, the telecom companies, except he then turned around and voted for that bill.
dan friesen
He's right!
Tarpley's fair on that one.
unidentified
Balloon!
jordan holmes
Oh my God, balloons are dropping everywhere!
gerald celente
Voted to reinstate the Patriot Act and more government wiretapping.
alex jones
Candidate Obama told desperate factory workers in speech after speech that he was going to renegotiate NAFTA and GATT to make it more fair for American workers.
unidentified
It is absolutely true that NAFTA was a mistake.
alex jones
But then his campaign was caught sending out memos to top corporate leaders, telling them not to worry, and that it was just campaign rhetoric.
jordan holmes
Ooh, this sounds like a smoking gun, Dan.
We got one absolutely correct statement that our boy, mustacheless Wilford Brimley said.
Spider tarps.
webster tarpley
Webster.
jordan holmes
And now we're going to keep going.
dan friesen
So I paused this here just so you could see this article here.
It's from ctv.ca, a Canadian news organization.
Tarpley is going to say a little bit more about this, and then I'll explain what the situation is.
webster tarpley
Obama saying, you know, I'm against free trade.
I don't like NAFTA and all those free trade sellouts.
We had Austin Goolsbee going to the Canadian diplomats and saying, don't mind him.
He's just popping off.
That's just election-era rhetoric.
Doesn't mean anything.
dan friesen
Presidential candidate.
Real quick, I forgot, this is also still a news camp article.
unidentified
Barack Obama was publicly criticizing the North American Free Trade Agreement in a bid for votes, but privately telling Canadian officials not to worry about it.
dan friesen
So this is all an interesting piece of bullshit that Webster Tarpley is spinning.
And they are using news reports that were erroneous in order to back up their story.
This is absolutely a case of a smear.
Absolutely a case of...
So here's the situation.
Tarpley is saying that during the 2008 campaign, Obama was just saying that he was against NAFTA, but he was going around telling people in Canada that it was just blustery campaign.
jordan holmes
And he has a Canadian article and one local access news channel to defend it.
dan friesen
So the first problem is that Obama wasn't anti-NAFTA.
He was just insistent that it needed to be improved to add labor and environmental protections into it.
That was his take on the campaign trail.
He was pretty consistent about that.
Second, the story about him privately.
Thank you.
Thank you.
The story that Alex flashes up on screen, that article from CTV, they reported on February 27th that there was a memo that an Obama advisor had contacted the Canadian embassy and told them that Obama's rhetoric was just, quote, political maneuvering.
In the fallout from this story being published, Obama's camp denied the story.
The Canadian embassy denied the story.
No records could be found of an Obama advisor contacting the Canadian embassy.
There was no record or transcript anywhere to be found.
This was days before the Ohio primary, a place where NAFTA was particularly unpopular.
So both Clinton and Obama were painting each other as the one who secretly was most in favor of NAFTA.
By March 3rd, the story had changed to being about Austin Goolsbee, Obama advisor, visiting the Canadian consulate in Chicago.
And that's where the comment was made.
jordan holmes
We have a Canadian consulate here?
unidentified
I'll be goddamn.
dan friesen
We have a lot of consulates.
jordan holmes
We're a metropolitan city.
Yeah, we're an international city.
Hey, everybody, welcome to Chicago.
dan friesen
The story likely changed because Goolsby did visit the consulate on February 8, 2008, and NAFTA was a topic that came up in his meeting.
But he flatly denied saying anything close to what was alleged.
When a write-up of the full meeting was offered, it included this text.
Quote, That's pretty much exactly what Obama was saying on the campaign trail.
There were also parts in this write-up that involved that, quote, political maneuvering comment that were roundly denounced by Goolsby, who said he didn't say anything even close to that.
And it was an inappropriate inference made by whoever had written that report.
The Canadian Embassy issued an apology that same day, on March 3rd.
Quote, in the recent report produced by the Consul General in Chicago, there was no intention to convey in any way that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA.
We deeply regret any inference that could have been drawn out to that effect.
In the fallout, accusations were made that Ian Brody, the chief of staff for the conservative prime minister, Stephen Harper, an ally of Bush, had been behind the leak with the interest of interfering with the United States election.
Yeah.
It's hard to say.
Obama was gaining ground, and he had a chance to win.
And in the aftermath of that, she did end up winning the Ohio primary.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Pointless to relitigate that to some extent because of how history ended up working out.
But then McCain would go on to bring up that story, even though the truth had come out about it, to smear Obama on the general election.
It's insane because it's two stages of it.
He did nothing wrong.
Austin Goolsbee did nothing wrong.
It's clear from it that there's no evidence.
jordan holmes
They got swift-boated.
dan friesen
More or less by someone within this, conceivably someone within the Canadian consulate who was working across purposes in order to paint the picture that Obama was a flip-flopper and a liar.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And that wasn't the case.
And now we have Alex Jones using that.
By this point, when he's making this documentary, all the information is there.
Like, he should know that this isn't something that is sincere.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Hard and fast rule now for public politicians.
even Don't say shit.
Don't have a cartoonishly evil name.
dan friesen
Goolsby?
unidentified
Goolsby?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Look, I don't want to be that guy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't want to tell you that you have to change your name.
But come on, man.
You can't be Goolsby.
Of course you're going to be in a fucking controversy.
dan friesen
Goolsby is tough.
jordan holmes
Your name is Goolsby.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Look, the moment they said that conspiracy theory and you said Goolsby, I was like...
There's probably some truth to it.
It's wrong!
dan friesen
Turns out now the Canadian embassy is haunted.
jordan holmes
None of it.
None of it is true.
But come on, Ghoulsby?
I'm going to believe on a little bit of an animalistic level.
dan friesen
It's that visceral human...
Ghoulsby.
jordan holmes
You said Ghoulsby.
Probably something true.
dan friesen
Intrinsic distrust of ghosts.
Or ghost-adjacent people.
jordan holmes
Ghost-adjacent people.
I distrust across the board.
dan friesen
So anyway, that's hot bullshit.
Alex saw fit to involve it in his documentary, which is terrible.
jordan holmes
Then again, by definition, all human beings are ghost adjacent.
dan friesen
Only if you believe ghosts exist.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Let's move on.
george humphrey
He said that he was going to bring us peace in the Middle East.
dan friesen
No, he didn't.
george humphrey
He said that he was going to bring us transparency and a balanced economy.
jordan holmes
Get a haircut.
george humphrey
He said that he was going to not have lobbyists.
He said he was going to clean up government.
He said he was going to work for...
dan friesen
What you're laughing about.
You're laughing about, they've spelled out deceiver with Obama being the I. Yeah.
Like Obama's silhouette being the I, deceiver.
It's clunky as hell.
jordan holmes
It is so clunky, I thought they were like, I was trying, I legitimately was like, are they trying to spell December?
dan friesen
I honestly tuned that out the first two times I watched this documentary.
It didn't even register.
jordan holmes
It looks like instead of Obama being the I, he's like the other part of the M. He looks like a Y. Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Nonsense.
It's bad.
jordan holmes
That's terrible.
dan friesen
It's terrible visual art.
jordan holmes
Truly terrible.
dan friesen
Which is another part of this documentary that's terrible.
It's visually unsatisfying.
To the nth degree.
Which is why, legitimately.
When I was going through this, trying to find what are the points of this documentary, I would end up watching three minutes and then have to walk to the bathroom and look in the mirror.
jordan holmes
Just be like, what am I doing?
dan friesen
I've got to stand up.
jordan holmes
Are we ever going to go?
What's the payoff here?
dan friesen
This documentary is two hours long, and legitimately, the first time I watched through it, it probably took me two days.
Just because I kept pausing, I'm like...
Nah, I gotta read a wrestling article.
I gotta read what's going on with Becky Lynch.
I gotta get my mind off this.
This sucks.
This documentary is terrible.
jordan holmes
It is bad.
dan friesen
Deceiver.
george humphrey
...the environment.
And point by point...
jordan holmes
Get a haircut!
george humphrey
...in the first month of his inauguration, he has lied and deceived and cheated the environment.
dan friesen
So, I feel no obligation to respond to any of these complaints that George Humphrey is making here, because they're recording this fucking documentary less than two months after Obama got into office.
He's talking about campaign promises, and sure, some of it is fair, like fair criticism.
Like the idea of Obama saying he wasn't going to have lobbyists in his administration, and then a lot of waivers for people.
Like that sort of thing.
Sure, fair criticism.
But some of these other things that require time, it is so unfair of them.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
No, the bullshit, first hundred days arbitrary bullshit that the media throws on there is stupid.
Two months is even dumber.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Even dumber.
dan friesen
So as I was sitting down and listening to all this, I just kept getting this feeling.
It really was overwhelming that trying to figure out...
Why they think what they think two months into his term is a futile exercise.
jordan holmes
Black.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
He's a black president, Dan.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Done!
dan friesen
It was a futile exercise.
Like, they've already decided he's breaking all the promises.
jordan holmes
They decided that whenever...
unidentified
Doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
They decided that before he won the primary.
dan friesen
You bet.
When Alex started making this documentary.
And you know what?
What I've realized from this, like, when we've been listening to 2009 episodes and Alex was talking about, like, I'm going to finish this documentary up.
jordan holmes
I'm going to give him a chance.
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
When he's like, I'm working on this documentary.
I'm working 16-hour days.
I guarantee, first of all, I worked harder on this than he did on this documentary.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
But second, I'm convinced now, as I watch this documentary, so much of it is padded filler from, like, Endgame.
A lot of it is stuff that is just like, CFR sucks.
Stuff like that that has nothing to do with Obama.
I guarantee, no matter who won, he was going to make this documentary.
It would be the Clinton deception.
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter.
dan friesen
None of this matters.
And Alex's response to that would be like, of course I would have done that because it's about who's behind them.
So it's a futile argument to make.
The points that he's making rely on the specifics of what Obama has done, did do, who he put into the positions that he put in.
And it does matter.
It does matter who won the election for Alex's argument.
I look at this and I'm like, this is the crassest fucking thing in the world.
It makes me feel gross that we're covering it.
I mean, we still got it.
jordan holmes
I mean, on the same level.
I agree.
I think one thing that this makes eminently clear, and I've already been on this tip, and I've said it furiously and loudly so often, but these people...
dan friesen
Eat the rich?
jordan holmes
Well, they're probably delicious.
They've been eating nice food for so long.
dan friesen
Marbled butts.
jordan holmes
Ooh, so good.
Just get a flank out of Alan Greenspan.
dan friesen
A slow twitch muscle.
jordan holmes
The futility of arguing with somebody.
In this kind of bad faith.
Like, why would you go...
dan friesen
That's the big problem.
jordan holmes
Right.
Like, why would you watch this documentary and then think, oh, well, going on Fox News to get my point out there is going to make sense.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
These people decided years before you showed up on their fucking show what their narrative was going to be.
And you have nothing to do with it.
dan friesen
The bad faith part of it is, like, that's the bedrock of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The added comedy of, like...
He's been in office, like, 45 days.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And it's 45 days when the documentary was released.
jordan holmes
Right, which means it was finished 44 days before.
dan friesen
But when these interviews happened were, I don't know, negative 10 days before he was inaugurated.
jordan holmes
God, you had hoped.
dan friesen
You know, like, it's this sort of thing where it's like, I don't even know how to take this seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I understand that, like, there's valid criticisms of Obama, and we have them as well, but, like, I can't take this seriously.
It made it so...
Again, I just had to keep walking away from it.
This is going to haunt me much more than Endgame.
It really pisses me off.
jordan holmes
To prove the thing I said eight and a half hours ago...
I really miss Obama.
dan friesen
Back when you were at home?
jordan holmes
Before you came over here?
This documentary just showed me how much I miss Obama being president.
He's so good as president!
I mean, I don't know about the actual president part, but goddammit, waking up every day and watching him talk?
dan friesen
Fuck!
I mentioned this really early in the first episode.
When I was going through trying to find those points from those speeches that Alex was taking out of context, I ended up watching the whole speeches because Obama is an amazing speaker and he's able to convey points in a way that's really interesting to listen to.
Like, oh, that's what you're getting at.
He lays out an argument and it's not just like, hey...
Those people in the back in the media, they fucking suck.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
No, and whatever.
dan friesen
Hey, maybe an old Jew is paying that caravan.
Like, what?
jordan holmes
Wait, we need to get some of these Second Amendment people to write my speeches.
dan friesen
I can't imagine a scenario wherein, like, I forget that Trump was president a couple years from now.
jordan holmes
Oh, good God, no.
dan friesen
Right?
But that happens, and then I'm doing a podcast about, a documentary about Trump, and I go back and I watch some of his speeches, and I'm like...
unidentified
I forgot how, like, really great these speeches were.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
george humphrey
The American people.
alex jones
The people of the United States and the world were filled with hope that Obama was the real deal when in his first week in office he signed an executive order supposedly closing Guantanamo Bay and other secret prisons.
Then the press actually had a chance to read the executive order and were shocked to find...
That the executive order only said that Obama was thinking about closing Guantanamo in a year.
dan friesen
So, Alex says that Obama signed this executive order saying he's thinking about closing Guantanamo.
jordan holmes
Are there executive orders that are like...
dan friesen
That's a diary entry.
That's not an executive order.
jordan holmes
Executive order number 4,300, or actually, in my earlier pronouncement.
dan friesen
You know Kennedy did 1-1.
jordan holmes
Executive order 1-1-0-0-0-1-1-1-1-1-0-0-0-1-1-1-0-0-1-1-1.
It can't be like, eh, I'm thinking about having a nice meal for lunch today.
dan friesen
Executive order 1-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-1.
I'm thinking Arby's.
Branded content in executive order.
Brilliant.
I don't understand what the fuck...
jordan holmes
Executive order 11100.
I had a dream about bears, and I don't know what that means.
dan friesen
I don't understand what Alex is trying to present, because it's a ludicrous proposition.
The idea that a president of this country would put out an executive order, it's like, I kind of feel this way.
Like, that's stupid.
That's fucking stupid.
And anyone who would hear that would be like...
unidentified
Oh, he did.
jordan holmes
You have to sign your name to...
I'm thinking about closing Guantanamo.
dan friesen
In reality, he signed Executive Order 13492, which set an explicit timetable to close Guantanamo and relocate the people being held there.
Now, admittedly, they ended up blowing it in terms of actually following that timetable, but Alex can't know that in March 2009.
jordan holmes
Oh, he can't?
dan friesen
He can't know that.
The substance of the actual executive order sets a timetable of a year when they're going to reevaluate the position of all of the people who were held there.
It also reinforces the idea that they have to be kept in humane conditions, according to the Geneva Conventions.
Now, while it's bad...
Oh, sorry.
This refers to something that Alex is about to say.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
But worst of all, the executive order continued the practice of rendition, which the L.A. Times called secret abductions.
dan friesen
Because that's the definition.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty much what they are.
dan friesen
So he's saying that it's bad that they didn't end renditions, but it's also, I mean, it's just not in the executive order.
All Alex is saying is that the executive order about the timetable to close Guantanamo Bay didn't also include, hey, also, let's stop renditions.
I wish that Obama did stop renditions.
I wish that that would never happen.
But it also...
Isn't expected to be a compound executive order.
He's attacking him for something that is not even a part of...
jordan holmes
It is fascinating because so far, the most salient criticisms he's made of Obama can only be solved by Obama having fascistic dictator powers.
dan friesen
Or being closer to our version of near-socialist left.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, later on they're going to explicitly say you should nationalize the Federal Reserve.
unidentified
Alright, well then, fucking what are you doing?
jordan holmes
But yeah, so you want to have Obama, you want to blame Obama for not closing Guantanamo Bay.
How does Obama do that?
He just says, Guantanamo Bay is closed.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So you now have an executive who can just...
Whatever he wants.
dan friesen
The consequences of that need to fall where they may, and one of those things that is going to inevitably be a part of that is all of the people who you are now releasing, maybe some of them were actual terrorists, and now they are fucking licks.
jordan holmes
They are super terrorists now.
dan friesen
Yeah, they are.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't...
dan friesen
It's like Heroes Season 3 with Level 5. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
If you are actually...
dan friesen
Bad reference.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't want to.
I was going to walk over that.
If you are a terrorist that has been held indefinitely and force-fed...
You are not going to suddenly be released and be like, oh, okay, cool.
Now I'm not a terrorist.
The whole reason that they didn't fucking close it is because they knew that there were so many people that they were holding who were innocent, who were going to sue the fuck out of them, and who were going to fucking win to the tune of a lot of money.
dan friesen
That's what I was about to get to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that is a...
Which is...
jordan holmes
I don't know why I'm mad in the wrong...
I don't know how I'm mad in that direction.
Everybody's mad.
dan friesen
No, totally.
jordan holmes
Except for the people who are innocent, who are held in Guantanamo Bay, who deserve restitution beyond all reasonable measures.
dan friesen
They absolutely do.
But you have to consider that what that ends up doing is forcing the issue, too, of all of these people going to The Hague.
Oh, yeah.
Which, actually, I would say, let's go ahead and do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm all for it.
dan friesen
But, I'm talking myself in a circle.
I actually think you probably should have just released everybody and let the chips fall where they may.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
It's the humanely right thing to do.
jordan holmes
At least then maybe he wouldn't have wound up in the Hague.
gerald celente
I think that he's signed off immediately on closing Guantanamo, but he's allowing prisoners now to be taken to foreign countries and not knowing where they're sending them and to be tortured in foreign countries.
They don't know that they kept that provision in there.
alex jones
Obama is now continuing the practice of secret arrest.
Secret prisons, and most importantly, indefinite detention without trial.
jordan holmes
Which you will be for, askance, ten years from now.
alex jones
...release secret British and U.S. torture orders that prove that the Bush administration was ordering personnel to systematically abuse detainees.
Barack Obama threatened to cut off all U.S. intelligence ties to England to add insult to injury.
He stated that the program was important to national security, not only endorsing Bush's crimes, but continuing them.
dan friesen
So, on screen here we have...
jordan holmes
Come on, man!
dan friesen
But on screen here we have the ACLU.
Alex is referencing the ACLU, which is...
jordan holmes
Which he absolutely despises and hates and hopes does.
dan friesen
Alex, do better.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the story that he's talking about...
jordan holmes
They are a good resource for factual information.
dan friesen
But the story he's telling makes no sense.
Because by this time, like by 2009, by the time Obama was even running for president, everyone knew that the Bush administration's position was pro-torture.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it was a national disgrace, and we did a pretty public...
I think a lot of activist people were like, no!
You go to the Hague now!
I remember being in protests where, I mean, I was in fucking Columbia, Missouri, no one gave a shit, but that was the thrust of them.
Like, you are a fucking war criminal.
What are we doing?
The revelation of the torture was like, it was so profoundly impactful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so, sorry.
dan friesen
In 2009, Alex saying that Obama is trying to block these documents coming out in some way to be a denial or hide the fact that Bush tortured people is ludicrous.
Everyone fucking already knew already at that point.
And Obama was clear on his position that he would end torture and waterboarding, and he fucking did.
He absolutely did.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
Some of the gray areas about third countries and stuff like that...
Is bad, but he cut down on that to a great degree.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that's good enough.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's hard to say, like, yeah, you made it so that Americans didn't torture people.
You did kind of outsource it, though.
But not to be lesser than before.
Right.
dan friesen
Is that a good?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Are we pro?
I don't know.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You hope that you just do none of it.
jordan holmes
I think that's the central issue with Obama's presidency, that we are going to relitigate 20 years from now.
To what extent is incremental change morally acceptable?
dan friesen
Well, I think based on the fact that it led to Trump, it's not at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly, right?
dan friesen
You would hope that if there was forward progress consistently, then it would matter.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It would matter because...
What you do today is a building block for what happens tomorrow and what happens the next day and what happens the next day.
Right.
unidentified
It is like, okay, we can't achieve everything today, but we do what we can and we swallow the hard pill that we don't want to be doing this.
dan friesen
And it sucks, but it is what's best for you.
Exactly.
Right.
jordan holmes
I know that even Hillary is going to be the next president, and she's going to incrementally do better than that.
dan friesen
And even in that calculation, we're not taking into account how much that is still horribly abusive to the rest of the world.
Exactly.
And I don't want to minimize that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You would hope that, like, you know, X, X plus 1, X plus 2, X plus 3, X plus 4, X plus 5, X plus 10, or whatever.
You get to a point where it's not.
You hope that you're working towards that, but since X plus one was Trump, it means nothing.
So incremental change probably doesn't matter, but it felt like it did.
It felt like it was...
And maybe that's the true reality that we learn about compromise.
Maybe it's that, fuck that.
You know, power exists in your hands for a certain amount of time.
Trying to preserve that power by equivocating and compromising is only serving the interests of the people who agree the exact opposite of you.
And when you are someone who is like, we shouldn't kill people, and the other side's like, go ahead and kill people, then...
jordan holmes
Why are you compromising?
dan friesen
Then it's abuse of the power that you have for the time that you have it to compromise because you had the power to say, no, fuck this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's hard.
jordan holmes
I think my...
If I were a history master's degree student right now, going for my PhD.
unidentified
Yeah.
For real.
dan friesen
You're a Fulbright scholar?
jordan holmes
If I was a Fulbright scholar going for my PhD, I would definitely write about how...
The first two years of Obama's presidency was probably the linchpin of history.
dan friesen
Maybe the first two months, as evidenced by this documentary.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't go that far.
I would say the first two years were the linchpin of history.
dan friesen
You may be right.
Well, at least modern history, because there's so many other things that have pivoted.
jordan holmes
History's not going to last much longer, Dan.
dan friesen
Don't worry about it.
jordan holmes
Climate change!
dan friesen
In this argument, Alex is trying to imply that Obama was trying to protect the secrets of Bush.
And that's not fair because the secrets are already out there about Bush torturing people.
So it's impossible that that's what his motivation was.
In reality, if you look into this, Obama threatened to limit intelligence sharing with the United Kingdom if they released that information.
But not because it revealed torture, but because it would reveal some of the information that was gathered through the course of the interrogations.
Now, I still don't think that's great, but it's very different.
It's a very different scenario than what Alex is painting.
He's not trying to protect Bush or the idea that we tortured people.
We'd already owned up to that.
And we felt bad about it.
He's trying to protect the idea that there is some information that was gathered from interrogations of people that would be released if the British put these reports out.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
Some people have speculated that contained in that information that the British would have released was the information that Obama used to track down bin Laden.
Right.
unidentified
It's not entirely clear.
dan friesen
That's just something that's been suggested.
But if that's the case, then that's a really good argument.
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
We're not going to win.
That's the bummer of this right now.
dan friesen
Well, no, but the explanation of it, we do win, because he's lying.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Absolutely.
But again, just like with our last documentary, I'm rapidly forgetting that we are watching a documentary, because this is a series of visuals and chyrons and all of that shit that have very little relationship to each other.
dan friesen
And little to do with Obama.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and now we're just kind of freewheeling.
gerald celente
Obama voted for a reinstatement of the Patriot Act.
dan friesen
Yep.
gerald celente
And by his early deeds already, again, as we saw with his...
jordan holmes
One month into his presidency.
dan friesen
No, he voted for the fucking Patriot Act in 2006.
He was in the fucking Senate.
jordan holmes
No, he means his early deeds as president.
dan friesen
I think he meant his early deeds like in the Senate.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I think that's what he meant.
jordan holmes
Then never mind.
I'm good.
gerald celente
...people that have been charged with nothing to be tortured to so-called get the truth out of them.
alex jones
If the makers of this film attempted to cover all of Obama's lies, this documentary would never be released.
jordan holmes
Buy a copy of the DVD of the Obama section at Infowars.com.
dan friesen
I love the idea that Alex is like, if the makers of this film, me, tried to do my job.
It would be long.
jordan holmes
It would take a while.
dan friesen
And I do not have the fucking energy to do that.
jordan holmes
I misspelled everything.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
Trying to present it that way, like the makers of this film.
I got fucking hired to do voiceover work.
jordan holmes
Like PBS is involved.
alex jones
Because there are new ones every day.
So in the interest of time, we're going to cover one more big one.
unidentified
An hour left of this documentary!
alex jones
Keeping lobbyists and donors out of his administration.
Within hours of being elected, Obama did a 180 and filled the White House and federal government.
dan friesen
Now, Obama did say on the campaign trail he was not going to allow lobbyists to work on anything that was related to the industries that they had previously lobbied in.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He did make those promises, and he didn't follow through with them fully.
That is a fair criticism.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
And by the time he made this documentary, that is still a fair criticism.
unidentified
Agreed.
dan friesen
Because the people that he put into office or put into place were people that had gotten waivers and things like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, but when he got into office, Obama did sign an executive order strengthening ethics rules about the hiring of lobbyists, but it also allowed those waivers to be filed, which kind of undermines the enforcement power of the executive order to begin with.
I'm not interested in defending Obama on this front or any front really, and I wish he would have stuck with that commitment, but ultimately it's also the sort of thing that all presidents do.
Like, if Alex had this big of a problem with Obama doing this, I just can't imagine how Oh, boy.
I know.
I know.
Drain the swamp, Dan.
Drain it!
I know that our idealism and what we wish would be true is so caught up in this, and Alex is exploiting that to a certain extent, because we wish that this had been the case.
But if you look at almost every president ever, they're like, special interests are out when I'm in.
And then they find a way to...
So Alex is going to get into some of the lobbyists that were involved in...
Obama's campaign.
jordan holmes
Are they all on the Council of Foreign Relationship?
dan friesen
I think we're through that CFR check.
But some of these are interesting examples, and some of them are really fucking terrible.
alex jones
Obama picked William Lynn, the top lobbyist for Raytheon, to fill the number two position of the Department of Defense.
dan friesen
So, he did.
jordan holmes
He looks like he's a robot.
dan friesen
Yeah, he does.
jordan holmes
He looks like he was grown in a fucking tank.
dan friesen
So, William Lynn being put in was a controversy.
Like, the mainstream media also had a firestorm with it.
They were very against this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody was stoked.
dan friesen
Because he was a lobbyist for Raython.
That's 100% correct.
Alex isn't lying about that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's definitely not a good look, since he had been recently working for Raython.
It wasn't even like...
The argument was that he was very qualified for the position at the Defense Department, given that he was also an Undersecretary for Defense from 1997 to 2001 in the Clinton administration.
He'd also been a senior fellow at the National Defense University, so he had qualifications for the job.
In his waiver, it was specified that he'd not be able to work in any matters that related to any of the six programs that he'd previously been a lobbyist for.
Is that good enough?
Probably not.
Does using that as your first example of Obama's malfeasance mean you probably have a weak argument?
Probably.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
Because, like, you could...
I don't want anybody who has a financial interest doing anything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't want them anyway.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I do see why William Lynn would be a very qualified candidate to be the Undersecretary of Defense.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, I get it.
I do understand.
unidentified
And...
dan friesen
If there is oversight and an awareness of, like, you get out of line, I'm going to fucking hit you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think he would be ineffective in that role.
I don't know.
I still would say...
It's that ultimate question of, like, you have someone who has a good resume, great qualifications, good for the job.
Do you deprive yourself of their experience because of...
I don't know the answer to that question.
There's probably people who are equally qualified, but maybe they didn't click right with the other people who were involved.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's not my decision to make.
Alex is kind of fine on this.
He has a decent point.
I would say if there's another decent point, who cares?
We're never going to get to the bottom of it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
alex jones
Fuck that guy!
Boo!
dan friesen
That's a terrible animation.
jordan holmes
That looks like one of those Taiwanese animations.
alex jones
Like his chief of staff, Mark Patterson, formerly the top lobbyist at Goldman Sachs.
dan friesen
Like I said, Tim Geithner was never a lobbyist.
He was the president of the New York Federal Reserve, but he wasn't a lobbyist.
Mark Patterson worked at Goldman Sachs, but he left the firm in April 2008.
That's probably not enough time separation for my tastes, but they felt he was well qualified for the position.
He was a Democratic staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Finance Committee from 1995 to 1999.
And from 1999 to 2004, he was the policy director for Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle.
So it's not like he...
He's only a lobbyist.
He was woefully unqualified for the position he was being put into.
You know, I don't know.
But also, Alex says that fucking Tim Geithner got in, and he's presenting him as a lobbyist.
He wasn't.
And then he's saying he packed the Treasury Department with lobbyists.
This is the one example he's got.
That's not packing the department.
The chief of staff is a former lobbyist, but also may be qualified.
jordan holmes
He's not indicting the people or Obama.
He is indicting the revolving door system, which I am fine with.
dan friesen
No, he's indicting the people.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Like, he's ostensibly saying that it's about these people, individuals, when in reality, it's about the entire system that has created the government that we exist in now.
dan friesen
Well, now, if he wanted to make a documentary about that, I think it would look a lot different.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I think it would look very different.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
All of the places where he has a point have nothing to do or are not specifically about these people.
Like, all of the places where he has a point...
dan friesen
But he's making it about the people.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's where he's wrong.
I am with him on, like...
dan friesen
Get money out of politics.
jordan holmes
Geithner is a fucking asshole, and these guys shouldn't be lobbyists, and they shouldn't be in the government.
But that's not about Obama.
I know Geithner's not a lobbyist.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
But it's not like...
These guys are the individuals who are doing this.
This is part of a broader system of a revolving door in politics and lobbyists and so on and so forth.
I get where he's coming from and I agree on a certain level, but he's wrong.
dan friesen
I understand where that agreement comes from, but the actual charges that he's making are not what you're concerned about.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
That's the problem with this.
jordan holmes
That's the problem with this!
dan friesen
Because...
wrestle with are the things that we're talking about in terms of these people's actual resume.
Right.
unidentified
And it's like, well, if you had just taken a lobbyist for Rayathon who had no experience in the Defense Department or as a fellow at the National Defense University.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
And you'd put them in that position because they would be able to profit in some way.
dan friesen
Then we have the absolute signs of corruption.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Because that person had an experience in government and was someone who...
dan friesen
Is relevant to the job.
It's not the same thing as that revolving door thing.
It's adjacent to it, but it's not the same.
It's not the same as Betsy DeVos being the Department of Education secretary.
jordan holmes
That's absolutely not the same.
dan friesen
It's not the same as Ben Carson being the head of HUD.
And not like they're lobbyists or anything like that, but those are people who are uniquely unqualified to be in the positions that they're in.
These people, even though they had a history as lobbyists, were qualified.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's a decision I'm glad I never have to make.
I look at it and I'm like, I see both sides of this.
I don't think this is a damning indictment of anything.
But if Alex has an example of someone who is dead to rights, unqualified coming up, then I'll agree with him.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Let's see.
alex jones
Obama appointed top lobbyist to the Saudi royal family, George Mitchell, as the lead Middle Eastern envoy.
Obama appointed the king.
dan friesen
So, this George Mitchell, he had been employed at DLA Piper previously to being chosen as Obama, his choice for the Middle East envoy.
But I can find no evidence he was actually lobbying for Saudi Arabia or the royal family.
jordan holmes
Has he ever registered as a foreign agent retroactively?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
But interestingly, the firm he worked for after leaving the Obama administration did do some lobbying work for Saudi.
But that was in 2015.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I can find no evidence that he did any.
But Alex couldn't know about that in 2009.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
So Mitchell is an interesting case because leave aside the unproven Saudi lobbying claims and you have a perfect candidate for the job and simultaneously maybe the dirt worst.
On the one hand, Mitchell has a resume a mile long of lobbying for big tobacco, manufacturing interests, and the insurance lobby.
It makes me very uncomfortable about him.
At the same time, the position Obama was looking to fill was the Special Envoy for Middle East Peace, and Mitchell had a fucking good set of qualifications there.
He'd previously served as Special Envoy for Northern Ireland from 1995 to 2001, where he was involved in the Belfast Peace Agreement, and that earned Mitchell a Liberty Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, because he resolved a very tense situation in Northern Ireland, which isn't perfect still, but it was way worse.
In 2000, Bill Clinton sent Mitchell on a fact-finding mission to see what he could learn about the Arab-Israeli conflict.
In 2001, he released the Mitchell Report, which called for the Israelis to fucking stop building settlements in Palestinian territories and called for the Palestinians to work on preventing violence.
jordan holmes
No, I remember the Mitchell Report.
dan friesen
Beyond that, he was a senator from Maine from 1980 to 1995.
He was a Senate Majority Leader for six of those years, and he was a senior fellow and senior research scholar at the Columbia University Center for International...
I don't fucking know.
Diplomatic and conflict resolution experience and is someone in good standing with a 15-year record as a senator.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And the point here, though, is his job is Middle East Envoy.
It's not overseeing...
dan friesen
Special Middle East Envoy.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
I apologize for cutting him short.
It's not overseeing other shit.
His job is literally...
Leave the rest of the shit alone!
dan friesen
It's see what you can do on this issue that you already had experienced in 2001 and probably have a lot of connections in that world.
A lot of people who would be more willing to talk to you than other people.
It's someone who is easy to plug into that role.
I don't know.
I don't fucking know.
I don't know what to do with this.
Because if he was able to be in that role and there were ethics rules in place about nothing you do, Can in any way touch any business that you have lobbied for.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'd be fine with that.
Because it's unrelated to big tobacco manufacturing interest in insurance.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You're like, I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
No, if you...
Look, I mean, it's like if Jimmy Carter gives up a peanut farm because he's worried about ethics issues.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm fine.
There's a line.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's when you have a shit ton of hotels that are making a lot more money because you're the president and people want to stay there in order to get good graces.
dan friesen
A bunch of special interest groups do tours.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that might be a line.
dan friesen
Yeah, but see, that's...
jordan holmes
That'll never happen.
dan friesen
See, that's the thing that I was...
I'm not saying you're wrong to bring that up, because it's fucking super relevant.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But that was kind of one of the things that I had hoped we would avoid, because it feels like whataboutism.
I know it's not.
I know it's not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I agree with you.
dan friesen
It is just a situation where it's like, well, here's a clear-cut example of what's going on now, which is exactly the opposite of what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it does feel like...
We are trying to, and we're not, but it could appear, or someone could hear it as us being like, well, let's let Obama off the hook because here's what Trump did.
And that is in no way our interest.
And I'm not saying that.
I only want to...
The only reason that that's important to bring up at all and is relevant in any way is to highlight the level to which Alex Jones has given up on any principles he ever pretended to have.
Because those principles didn't exist even here.
He's complaining about stuff for points.
He doesn't really care about that.
Because if he did, he could never be what he is now.
So, I'm reticent to, like, constantly...
Because I could have brought up Trump a whole lot of other times.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
Don't worry about it.
Well, I'm trying to minimize it, because what's the point?
Right, right.
dan friesen
It's superfluous, but it's still important.
jordan holmes
The difference between, like...
Okay, if we still lived in the 2009 world of Obama, and you were like, oh, well, George Bush appointed this guy who has a history of...
And I was like...
Well, what about, you know, that whole thing.
That's whataboutism.
That's a situation where we're talking about equivalent whiffs.
Of corruption.
unidentified
Or...
jordan holmes
Right now, we're talking about Obama's administration starting out with a whiff of corruption.
And Trump's administration farting corruption into your goddamn face.
alex jones
Or...
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Or if I heard this...
jordan holmes
That's not whataboutism.
dan friesen
Or...
The bad version of what we could do would be hear, Alex, complain about George Mitchell.
And then be like, well, Trump did this.
Oh, yeah, fuck that.
And not address...
George Mitchell, and pretend he wasn't a lobbyist.
Right, yeah, yeah, no, no, absolutely not.
But what we're doing is like...
Saying, no, that's real.
jordan holmes
Here's the context for this.
unidentified
That's real.
dan friesen
This is why it's complicated.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not saying it's the right decision, but it's not as easy as you're presenting it, Alex.
Now, also, you are totally fine with all this other bullshit.
jordan holmes
Ben Carson has housing development.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Is he really still doing that?
He's allowed to.
dan friesen
Flies under the radar.
jordan holmes
He's really bad at it.
Flies under the radar.
Everything I've ever read about what he's done so far.
Garbage.
dan friesen
Turns out...
jordan holmes
It's almost like he is uniquely unqualified for the position.
dan friesen
Turns out the society at large views the housing and urban development as a non-crisis thing, so they just don't pay attention to it.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
It's nice to know that our major crises...
Our crises are so bad, they are ignoring our minor crises, which are far worse than anything we've experienced in the past.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's who's next.
alex jones
King of Wall Street lobbyists, Leon Panetta, to head up the CIA.
jordan holmes
Was he elected king?
dan friesen
Leon Panetta.
Has never been a lobbyist.
jordan holmes
But was he the king of lobbyists?
dan friesen
He's not the king of Wall Street lobbyists, as Alex calls him.
He's made a killing, though, in consulting work and giving expensive speeches that are all probably totally above board and ethical.
But he's technically not a lobbyist.
He's never been a lobbyist.
All the articles you can find about Panetta describe his actions as, quote, activity that pretty closely approximates lobbying.
But it's not lobbying.
He's not a lobbyist.
All of the things...
And maybe, maybe he...
He fucking is, and he's really good at hiding it.
I don't know.
But he's not a lobbyist.
Technically speaking, he is not a lobbyist.
The money that he's made have been through consulting and speeches and that sort of thing.
Doesn't change.
This is nonsense.
Including Leon Panetta in here.
jordan holmes
Let's judge him by his record.
He's a piece of shit.
But not in the way that you say he is.
dan friesen
And he's not the king of Wall Street lobbyists.
jordan holmes
How do you become king of Wall Street lobbyists?
dan friesen
You've got to kill the previous king.
jordan holmes
Is that how that works?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
This is Game of Thrones.
dan friesen
You've got to be the Kingslayer.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
You've got to be the Jamie Lannister of...
There's a mad lobbyist who's out of control.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
He set the New York Federal Reserve ablaze in order to protect against...
dan friesen
With wildfire.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's basically it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
jordan holmes
Oh, what?
dan friesen
I'm going to date this.
This sucks, because when this episode comes out, it's going to be like a week in the past.
But did you hear about Jack?
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
No, I didn't hear about Jack Posobiec.
I'm not allowed to know anything about this fucking universe.
dan friesen
Our friend, our dear, dear friend, Jack Posobiec, pizza-gate weirdo and definite Nazi.
It turns out people dug into some of his past and found on the Wayback Machine a page that he thought he had deleted.
It turns out he used to write Game of Thrones fan fiction.
jordan holmes
Oh, hell yeah.
dan friesen
With Donald Trump as a character.
Oh, hell no.
And one of the...
jordan holmes
Oh, my God!
Finally, we get to hear what it would be like for Donald to fuck his daughter.
That's totally fine in Game of Thrones fanfic.
dan friesen
Well, the one that went around was a story about Donald Trump falling in love with Sansa as she was a teen.
jordan holmes
That sounds...
dan friesen
Very gross.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Very gross.
But anyway...
jordan holmes
That's a little bit too on the nose there, Posovic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Let's see who's next.
alex jones
Obama tapped Tom Daschle, top lobbyist for healthcare firms, to run the Department of Health and Human Services.
jordan holmes
Are these action figures?
alex jones
And the list goes on and on.
dan friesen
The list goes on and on, but Alex rushed this documentary.
Like I said, Obama nominated Daschle, but then it came out that Daschle hadn't filed his taxes correctly, and he might have misfiled some deductions in his past.
so on february 3rd 2009 daschle withdrew his name from consideration for secretary of health and human services and was replaced by katherine sebelius this is embarrassing for alex like he has every reason to know this based on when he's making the documentary when it came out yet he kept this in why would he keep this in by the time he released this it was a month past when daschle took his name out of consideration it's already he's acting as if that he made The footage plays.
No, because he made this animation.
unidentified
Awful.
dan friesen
It's 100%.
jordan holmes
This is really bad.
dan friesen
The animation is terrible, but he clearly paid through the nose for it.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, you gotta...
Look, it plays.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Listen.
He's like, print the legend, Dan!
unidentified
God damn it, I'm not gonna pay for you to reanimate Catherine Sebelius.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
Rob Dew, get over here.
jordan holmes
That would really fuck up his day if he animated Catherine Sebelius.
dan friesen
Starts hitting Rob Dew to take some energy out.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that sounds too close to home.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Tom Dashiell was never a part of the Obama administration, so this is real fun.
Yes, he was nominated, and yeah, sure, he did have some links to lobbying, but he didn't make it in.
unidentified
Goodbye.
dan friesen
He never would have passed the confirmation process.
jordan holmes
Goodbye.
dan friesen
Bye-bye.
alex jones
Then, three weeks into his administration, Obama launched a new lie, more outrageous than the previous, with Academy Award-level conviction.
He said that he was upset about the banker bailout, which his own chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, another former Wall Street executive, had engineered.
dan friesen
So, I can't find any evidence that Rahm in any way wrote the 2008 bailout bill or had any meaningful involvement in its passage outside of, like, he was a member of the House before.
But I don't know.
There's not even any articles on InfoWars.
Like, I searched through all of InfoWars, like, looking for Rahm articles and stuff like that.
There's no evidence of this anywhere.
So I just have to, like, I just assume it's bullshit.
And especially considering earlier in the documentary they said it was Larry Summers and Alan Greenspan who did it.
I don't understand all of them, all three of them together.
What's going on?
jordan holmes
Throw him in there.
What else you got?
dan friesen
This is one of these things that's super essential.
jordan holmes
Name another guy.
dan friesen
Borat.
jordan holmes
He did it.
unidentified
My wife's pension fund is empty.
Nope, nope, nope.
dan friesen
There's this thing that's really important to understand, and it's what Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley and all of these assholes do.
It's the way they do their propaganda.
What they do is they make an extravagant, unsupported, sensational claim.
They don't prove it.
And then you're like, no.
And then they're like, prove me wrong.
You can't play that game.
That game is a losing game because, like, no, I don't have to prove that.
Now it's your job to prove that Rahm wrote the fucking 2008 bailout bill where he was deeply involved in it.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Because you're the one who made the claim.
I can't be expected to prove a negative because then all I can do, the only way I'm going to ever satisfy this is, like, I find Rahm and I'm like, give me a detailed accounting of literally everything you did in 2008 or Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Dan, centaurs invented astronomy, and you can't convince me otherwise.
dan friesen
Look, prove it!
Alright?
I guess I can't.
I don't bend to that kind of pressure.
I don't care.
You know what I mean?
I think a lot of people, they would hear this, like, Rob did the bailout, and then they'd be like...
I don't know that to be true.
I don't think that's true now.
It's going to be like, prove me wrong.
Show me how he didn't do that.
Show me that he didn't do that.
I have HR 1100011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 If you prove to me in any way that this is true, I'll revise my position.
But until then, I'm not going to spend my fucking life trying to disprove a position that history denies.
It's not worth it.
There's so many things like that.
It's so deeply frustrating.
You can't prove a negative.
jordan holmes
Dan, someday I'm going to have to teach you about religion.
alex jones
Obama said that he had signed an executive order.
Capping the CEO's salaries of those who had taken the bailout money.
dan friesen
He didn't sign an executive order.
That was just part of the rules of the bailout bill.
alex jones
Yeah, that wasn't an executive order.
All the major banks and brokerage firms were exempt, and the new order only dealt with any future bailouts.
And those were to be on the honor system.
dan friesen
This isn't fair.
barack obama
What gets people upset, and rightfully so, are executives being rewarded for failure.
dan friesen
I want to respond to all this, but I really don't care because something's about to happen in this documentary that makes me so fucking happy.
So I'm just going to leave this aside.
jordan holmes
Punct!
Pass!
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm going to leave this aside.
jordan holmes
Assume you're lying, you fucking piece of shit!
dan friesen
Alex is being deeply unfair about a lot of these groups that even by the end of 2009 were already starting to pay back the bailout funds.
Like, it's just nonsense.
Look, nothing went perfectly, but nothing went as bad as he says.
unidentified
Right.
IG, Bank of America, and Citigroup, which have received billions in bailout money, don't fall under this plan.
Only banks negotiating future agreements with the government will be restricted.
But this appears to be built on an honor system, and White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs had a hard time explaining...
jordan holmes
Oh, I remember you from the plane.
You fucking idiot.
unidentified
I will get clarification from Treasury on that.
webster tarpley
Generally speaking...
This is already the biggest liar and the biggest disappointment that we've seen in recent history.
And again, two months in.
dan friesen
At best.
jordan holmes
Two months in.
dan friesen
At best.
This could be two days later.
webster tarpley
Delivering on promises.
alex jones
Bottom line.
dan friesen
I gotta be honest, it doesn't matter any of this stuff.
Like, what I'm telling you, something's about to happen in this documentary that changes the fucking game.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm so excited about this.
alex jones
Obama is a fantastic...
jordan holmes
So this is our mid-game, if you will.
alex jones
...an even better liar.
His track record is clear.
He has done the opposite of everything he told the people he would do for three weeks.
unidentified
They'll make up one lie after another.
gerald celente
And if you believe these people, knock yourself out.
I don't believe a word they say.
dan friesen
Get their asses, Salenti.
I love the delivery.
I love it.
I love it.
That's not what I was talking about, but I love that delivery.
unidentified
Oh, I know.
If you believe these guys, get the fuck out of here!
alex jones
Within one month of the passage of the first banker bailout bill, the press reported that over $5 trillion had just disappeared out of the U.S. Treasury.
dan friesen
That's not true.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, what?
dan friesen
That's not true.
jordan holmes
How could you even make that claim?
dan friesen
That's absolutely not true.
jordan holmes
That's such an insane amount of money to pretend disappeared.
dan friesen
That's absolutely not true, but the specifics of it Alex will get into a little bit further down the road.
jordan holmes
Like billions of dollars disappeared in Iraq.
Like, yeah, I get that.
Five trillion dollars is enough to bankrupt all of us.
dan friesen
Short version of what he's talking about, just like to give a little bit of context.
I promise we'll get more into it, but he's conflating the bailout $700 billion with funds that were lent by the Federal Reserve to other banks.
So there's trillions of dollars that are being lent by the Federal Reserve, and he's pretending that money just went missing when it didn't.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
What?
alex jones
By December, the amount of money that had been stolen had reached $8.5 trillion.
The leadership of both political parties circled the wagons.
And would not discuss where the money...
dan friesen
Yeah, he says both political parties, yet only shows the Democrats.
Only shows Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel back there, a couple other diggons.
jordan holmes
Barney Frank.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
Gone.
dan friesen
You're not close to righty for what's about to happen.
unidentified
There are at least fourscore people now screaming and there's like 300 people here probably.
dan friesen
I'm being probably generous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're being way generous.
dan friesen
But Alex is in the middle of it with Tyranny Crusher 7. Tyranny Crusher 7.0!
And man...
Like, buckle your fucking seatbelt.
jordan holmes
Dude, you have been teasing this for like four minutes of this documentary, which is eight hours in real time.
alex jones
Informed Americans protested the private Federal Reserve System at all 38 of their regional governorship offices.
Arrest Bernanke and Paulson!
unidentified
Get up!
All the criminals that stole the Baker bailout money!
jordan holmes
Hey!
alex jones
It was refreshing to see people standing up against the real power structure.
dan friesen
That sounds like something Alex wrote in his goddamn diary.
It was refreshing to see the people.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
Based on this, I bet he fucking loved Occupy Wall Street, right?
alex jones
Being distracted by the elite's frontmen, like George W. Bush and Barack Obama.
We travel to Dallas, Texas to cover We the People.
Taking on a real enemy.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Hey, I want to talk to the workers up there on the parapet.
The ones smoking cigarettes that just jumped back.
alex jones
You're with the American people, we know that.
But understand, ask the workers inside.
You're not in a federal government building.
You're in a private Federal Reserve.
That uses that name as a fraud.
dan friesen
So we've already been over that, which is fun to hear him yelling into a bullhorn at a couple people working on the top of a building who are laughing at him.
They're laughing at him.
jordan holmes
This is a different bullhorn, by the way.
dan friesen
That's Tyranny Crusher 8. My first name was Federal Reserve Jones.
What?
alex jones
I'm still not the federal government.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
I'm not a federal agency.
unidentified
But if I said my name was Federal Reserve, I could go out and pay off politicians.
dan friesen
I understand why...
jordan holmes
You are making sense, sir, and I would like you to continue talking.
Please, 100% more.
dan friesen
I understand why he thought that KRS-One was making sense at the beginning of this documentary.
If he's like, if my name was Federal Reserve Jones...
jordan holmes
If my name was Federal Reserve, they'd give me all their money, right?
alex jones
...to allow me to get into power so I could issue the currency and credit, and then I could buy up the world.
That's what these criminals have done.
webster tarpley
A lot of people think that the Federal Reserve is already part of the government.
They're not.
It's controlled by cliques of unelected, unaccountable bankers meeting in secret.
Most of these people have never even been through the formality of a Senate hearing.
dan friesen
Here's me doing the gif of a jack-off motion.
jordan holmes
There you go.
webster tarpley
Or a Senate confirmation.
They claim that they're part of the U.S. government.
jordan holmes
I like that you strongly waded into the GIF v.
GIF arguments with no recognition that you are stepping in there, coming out hot!
webster tarpley
Operation Jackals, Hyenas, Raptors, all of them loyal to the American people.
krs-one
I knew it!
webster tarpley
Which is where most of them come from.
jordan holmes
Who has chocolate?
krs-one
To Barack right now, President Obama.
As saying, you gotta get the economy together.
You gotta get the economy together.
When in fact the president has very little to do with the economy.
It's the Federal Reserve Chairman.
dan friesen
Who is installed and nominated by the President of the United States.
What the fuck is he talking about?
This is nonsense.
They serve a term and then, hey, guess what?
After that, the president...
unidentified
That at least sets the policy.
krs-one
That's a privately owned company.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
krs-one
The Federal Reserve Bank.
They set the agenda.
alex jones
These guys...
unidentified
Oh, that's Brad Stevens, coach of the Celtics.
alex jones
That's on record congressional testimony, and they're the ones orchestrating the economic collapse we're seeing right now, so that's why we're here.
While at the end of the Fed rally outside the Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas, Texas, we spoke with Ron Paul's brother, Wayne Paul.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
krs-one
Top, top, top, top, top, little banker!
dan friesen
Folks, I am so sorry that that's where we're cutting it off, but look, here's the deal.
We're about to jump off into a section of this documentary that I've been teasing the last couple minutes that you've just been listening to quite a bit, and it turns into a long discussion of how stupid the Paul family is, and if I'd left that in, this would have just been too long of an episode.
But now you know.
From the end of this episode that we're about to learn about Wayne Paul.
And that, you know what, there's very few times on this podcast that I'm actually able to do a cliffhanger.
And so I'm going to make the most of it.
And, you know what, tomorrow...
Next episode, Thursday.
It's Thanksgiving.
What better way to celebrate Thanksgiving than to learn about just how off-base Ron Paul's brother is.
Anyway, you've got that to look forward to tomorrow.
I hope you enjoyed today.
There was a little bit of wishy-washiness in this episode, but hey, that's how history is sometimes.
Until next time, we do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
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That sort of thing is all very much appreciated.
But, hey, until next time...
You know what?
I realized on the last episode that I talked about, here at the end, I talked about Survivor Series, the WWE pay-per-view.
I didn't feel right about it.
When I was editing this together, putting out the episode, I realized that much better than Survivor Series probably was NXT's War Games on Saturday night.
And that featured probably someone who you think might have killed somebody.
And that is the great Aleister Black.
Pro-wrestler Aleister Black.
Kicks people really hard to the face, but has not killed anybody with his black mask kicked to the face.
Has not killed anybody, but there's one guy that I know of who technically probably killed a dude, and that's Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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