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Nov. 20, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#230B: Obama Deception, Part 2

Knowledge Fight dissects The Obama Deception, where Alex Jones falsely ties 2008’s "New World Order" claims to Financial Times articles, misquotes Rahm Emanuel and Henry Kissinger, and exaggerates Bilderberg protests—claiming seven convoys with dignitaries like Obama or Clinton, despite no evidence. Jones conflates the Federal Reserve with a private entity, ignoring its hybrid structure, government oversight, and public balance sheets, while Jordan Holmes mocks oversimplified "pirate enterprise" comparisons. Dan Friesen counters that Jones’ distortions stem from cherry-picking history, undermining trust in institutions by blurring fact and fiction. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
infowars 11:26
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dan friesen
01:05:55
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jordan holmes
28:40
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gerald celente
00:42
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webster tarpley
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george humphrey
00:27
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henry kissinger
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm my first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I am Dan.
The voice you will be hearing shortly is my co-host, Jordan.
We're a couple dudes who generally like to sit down, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones.
Wherein the structure of the show is, I know a lot about Alex Jones, and my co-host Jordan knows very little, and I tell him about it, and he gets infuriated by things, as is the natural reaction to someone like an Alex Jones in the world.
You are joining us here today on the part two of our in-depth discussion, exploration of Alex Jones' 2009 documentary in heavy quotes documentary, The Obama Deception.
If you are just randomly jumping in here, I'd probably recommend you go listen to the first episode before this one, because otherwise you missed out on Alex using some fake quotes, which is always a lot of fun.
It's always fun to find those instances of like, nah, this is just made up.
But where we left off in the last episode was Alex was just about to introduce his proof, the evidence that he has, that the New World Order was being announced by the media.
The media in 2008 was coming out and saying, like, oh, we've been hiding the New World Order for all this time, but now, hey, we want to tell you it's real.
So we'll jump right back into that here in a second.
But before we do that, I want to take a second because this is Thanksgiving week, and in the spirit of thanking the people who make this show possible, our donors, who are the ones who are the reason for us doing this in the first place, this Obama deception coverage, I thought I would take a little bit of time to thank someone who has joined up with the team, someone who's donated to the show.
We appreciate it very much.
So, Colin, I would like to say thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark, bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So thank you, Colin.
We appreciate it also very much.
And all of you who support the show, it means the world to us.
So thank you.
Thank you again.
And here you go.
Let's jump right back into the Obama deception part two.
alex jones
And now, after years of denial, the media and the elite themselves are proudly announcing that not only is world government real, but it is the answer to the financial crisis that they carefully engineered.
dan friesen
Alex isn't proving that they carefully engineered this.
That's nonsense.
It's a claim that he's not defending or backing up or proving in any way.
But right now, what we have on screen here is four articles, all of which we've talked about in some manner in the past, that all don't say what Alex claims they say.
They just have headlines like this Herald Tribune article, A Chance for a New World Order, the Financial Times article, and now for a world government.
Like, they're all just conversations that people have made, like editorials, Isracast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm assuming Isracast is Israeli.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But they're all just people who are having conversations about the idea of the possibility of a global government or things like that.
None of them are an announcement that the New World Order is here.
jordan holmes
Also, I believe.
dan friesen
All of this is bullshit.
We've gone over this in great detail in the past.
Alex is functioning off headlines.
None of these articles say those things.
jordan holmes
Also, the ISROCast one?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Gaza and Obama's New World Order.
jordan holmes
If I know anything about Israel in 2009, I'm going to go with that's not a pro-New World Order.
If you're throwing Gaza and Obama's New World in there, you're probably arguing that Obama's going to try and create a two-state solution there, and they should be killed or whatever.
dan friesen
Something like that.
alex jones
Suddenly, the Wall Street Journal tells us that the North American Union is here and that getting rid of the dollar for a common currency with Canada and Mexico is good.
dan friesen
This is an article he flashes up on screen, the title of which is How Realistic Is a North American Currency?
We've talked about this in the past.
jordan holmes
The answer is not.
Not very.
dan friesen
If you read the actual article, it's like, yeah, it doesn't look like this is ever going to happen.
jordan holmes
Not likely.
alex jones
The Financial Times of London, published by a member of the Bilderberg group, crowded.
That a dictatorial world had been kept in the shadows for our own good, and that it was now time for it to emerge from behind the curtains of national security.
dan friesen
This is an article from the Financial Times called a Now for a World Government.
It was written by a guy named Gideon Rackman.
Great name.
jordan holmes
There are so many great names in this.
dan friesen
It doesn't say that it's been kept behind the scenes for a long time and now it's time to unveil it.
But the title would suggest that.
It sounds like, I think I said this when we covered the article initially.
It sounds like a host introducing the next act.
jordan holmes
It also sounds like the Monty Python.
Now for something completely different.
dan friesen
I think that might be what he's playing on.
He's a British dude.
jordan holmes
It does sound like that, right?
It does sound like that.
dan friesen
The author of A Now for a World Government article, Gideon Rackman, by everything I can tell about him, is not a Bilderberg member.
He did attend the 2017 Bilderberg meeting.
That is true.
But so did Trump's Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross.
So did past InfoWars guest Neil Ferguson.
So did Lindsey Graham.
So did Trump's national security advisor H.R. McMaster.
I mean, it means nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a murderer's row of good people.
dan friesen
But it means nothing.
jordan holmes
No, it means nothing.
dan friesen
It means he went to a conference.
Beyond that, all I can find evidence of Gideon Rackman in terms of attending Bilderberg is he attended a number of times in his capacity as a journalist, not as a participant.
It was only a few occasions in the 2000s.
None of this proves that he's a member of anything.
And in fact, he's been very publicly opposed to many positions that Alex would describe as globalist, such as strongly arguing against the idea of England getting mixed up in the Euro, which is something that Alex would say all globalists are for.
So if he's a Bilderberg member and is announcing world government, wouldn't he be on board with ditching the pound in favor of the Euro?
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
He wasn't.
He was super against it and held public debates with people about it, vociferously defended, not getting involved.
Also, small point, there's no such thing as being a member of the Bilderberg group.
That doesn't exist.
The only membership category that exists is a member of the steering committee or somebody who has like president of the group.
But the only membership category is membership of the steering committee.
Steering committee is the group that plans meetings, figures out speakers, invites people and such like that.
It's a rotating cast of the party planners committee.
Exactly.
The rest of it, the attendees are people who have prominent positions in business, the arts, industry, government, diplomacy, those sorts of things.
They get invited to come mingle in a conference.
There isn't a membership.
jordan holmes
I would go, I bet the food's great.
dan friesen
I bet it's amazing.
jordan holmes
I bet it's amazing.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
I read one article.
I can't remember if it was.
I think it was about Bilderberg.
And it was one of these conspiracy blogs, and it was like, they're staying at the posh $400 a night hotel.
I'm like, hold on a second.
These people are billionaires.
$400 is slumming it for them.
I understand for me, that would be cost-prohibit.
jordan holmes
Insane.
dan friesen
It would be nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
But for them, that's $400 a night.
jordan holmes
I saved up for a fucking year, so my girlfriend and I could spend one night in a $200 a night hotel.
And that was beyond the lap of luxury for me.
dan friesen
And that absurd restaurant went to.
jordan holmes
No, that was her mom.
dan friesen
That's right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But yeah, so like the shit.
The idea of, I mean, it's a glorified work retreat conference.
Retreat would be more like Bohemian growth.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But the Bilderberg there's no team-building events.
Trust falls.
But what if there are?
It's like fucking Comic-Con, but for assholes.
dan friesen
Yeah, and people who have interest in diplomacy, business relations, stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Assholes.
alex jones
Wash our chief of staff Rahm Emanuel stated on record that they can't let this crisis go to waste.
dan friesen
This means nothing.
unidentified
You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.
And what I mean by that, it's an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.
dan friesen
That's just, I mean, you don't even need to talk about that.
That's an absurdly misused quote on Alex's part.
alex jones
And Henry Kissinger, who gave Barack Obama his first job out of college, that the economic collapse was a great opportunity to bring in the New World Order.
He went on to say that Barack Obama was the perfect person to sell it to the world.
henry kissinger
But he can give new impetus to American foreign policy, partly because the reception of him is so extraordinary at Anderburg.
I think his path will be to develop an overall strategy for America.
dan friesen
Pick it up, Grandpa.
jordan holmes
Also, please die sooner?
You fucking suck.
henry kissinger
A crisis.
dan friesen
I'm not into this.
jordan holmes
Wait, did he say New World Order there anyway?
dan friesen
He says it a lot.
Because, like, first of all, Kissinger is a fucking globalist.
That's not an accusation that's being made.
David Rockefeller, too.
Yes.
You could describe them as people who are interested in global cooperation and integration.
So it's not like a dirty word that is like, oh, no, I would shy away from this.
And for them, generally speaking, New World Order isn't some sort of term that describes a shadowy cabal that's the intersection of the remnants of Adam Weish Hops Illuminati mixed with Jewish banking elites in Europe.
jordan holmes
It's every time the world order changes.
There have been like 500 New World Orders in the past 100 years.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
As alliances shift and change, as different interests align, like there's this whole situation.
But every New World Order is just like a weak.
dan friesen
It's the opposite of the past world order.
jordan holmes
Trump created a new world order.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
You know, and that's one where we're the fucking worst.
dan friesen
Right, but if you're always trending towards progress or always looking towards international cooperation and helping each other instead of wars for no reason and that sort of shit, you'll always be working towards a new confluence of events.
There will always be something better.
There'll always be something you're aspiring towards.
And people like Kissinger use the term New World Order to describe that because it is a new order of the world.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
A new ordering of things.
I don't think it's as evil or suspicious, but it is fucking weird that he says it a lot.
You know, it is one of those things that like you should stop.
Yes, because at the same time, if he stopped, but that would also play into the hands of the conspiracy people just be like, why doesn't he say New World Order anymore?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
It doesn't matter.
If you're Kissinger, you're either hated because you're a monster who should be sent to a war crimes tribunal.
dan friesen
Go to the Hague.
jordan holmes
Or you're hated because people think that you're a monster who should be sent to a war crimes tribunal for a different reason.
dan friesen
It's either you think you should go there because you're right or because you're wrong.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Great.
I don't care about the ethical implications of Kissinger's actions or anything like that right now because I think that they're really tertiary and to the side of what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So Barack Obama went to Occidental College for his freshman and sophomore years and then transferred to Columbia University to finish his degree, graduating in 1983.
His first job out of college was at the Business International Corporation, which has nothing to do with Henry Kissinger.
The conspiracy community latched onto this job and said it was proof that Obama was a CIA plant because in 1977, Elliott Haynes, the company's founder's son, told the New York Times that his father had used the company to provide four CIA agents cover between 1955 and 1960.
Even if we assume the information that's coming from Elliott is correct, it still does nothing to prove that Obama was a CIA asset or that they were still using this company to provide him cover.
For one, the company isn't a fake company.
There are tons of employees that they pay to publish newsletters for clients, plan conferences, and do extensive research.
During the Cold War, there are a ton of companies that had clandestine agreements with many businesses to help hide their spies.
One of the reasons that journalism and publishing seems to have had a higher incidence of that sort of thing is that journalists have a reason to be in a foreign country that doesn't raise suspicions.
As far as the facts go, that's about as nefarious as Business International gets from everything I can tell that is true.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
The rest of it is, and it's interesting.
I'm willing to believe that they did provide cover for spies in the Cold War.
Doesn't mean they always did.
Doesn't mean that didn't stop when the Cold War ended.
It doesn't mean that everybody who worked there was CIA.
They do nothing to prove any of these things.
Also, it has nothing to do with Kissinger.
Obama has never worked for Kissinger.
gerald celente
I was going to say.
dan friesen
Didn't have it.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit frustrating to me that for a certain class of conspiracy theorist, there is no limit.
Because, look, I'm all for indulging in a conspiracy theory and trying to figure out little things and then being like, that's dumb.
But that one, that's such a stretch.
Even if you're a conspiracy theorist, shouldn't you be like, there's nothing there.
dan friesen
Well, see, that's the problem, too, is that this is one of those instances where Alex uses specifics.
He says his first job out of college.
Well, I can find out what that is.
Is there a Kissinger connection here?
Nope, absolutely not.
Oh, you're lying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's why you shouldn't use specifics so much.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Stop giving him advice.
dan friesen
Did you miss Endgame?
jordan holmes
Did I miss Endgame?
dan friesen
Hey, do you miss it?
jordan holmes
Do I miss it?
dan friesen
Do you miss Endgame?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because you're about to get a lot of stuff that is basically just Endgame all over the world.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
Awesome.
dan friesen
Remember this footage from Endgame?
jordan holmes
I do remember this footage.
alex jones
To gather intelligence on the shadow government's agenda for the coming years.
jordan holmes
B-roll.
dan friesen
Alex is just reusing B-roll of people getting into cars from Endgame.
jordan holmes
Lower the budget, baby.
alex jones
I think that's the Queen.
dan friesen
Hey, Queen.
alex jones
This is literally from analyst and best-selling author Daniel Estellin had been tracking the building for more than 16 years.
jordan holmes
Literally from Endgame.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Is he going to do the same interview?
alex jones
I informed him that the elite were planning to first gas up.
jordan holmes
You son of a bitch.
alex jones
$10 a barrel.
Unimaginable in 2006.
dan friesen
Skip to the end.
I want to talk about this really quick because this is fucked up.
So Alex is saying that Daniel Estellon has inside sources inside Bilderberg that told him that they were planning to rise the price of gas up to $150 and then bring it down.
Here's why this is a problem.
He didn't bring that up in Endgame.
That didn't come up.
Secondly, we know from listening to Alex Jones' show that Alex Jones' oil rig chaplain friend, Lindsey Williams, is the person that Alex says told him that the globalists plan to raise the gas price up to that exact same amount and then bring it down.
Why is he now in the Obama deception saying that Daniel Estelin told him that?
Further, in all of his appearances on the show with Lindsey Williams, why haven't we heard Alex say, oh, yeah, Daniel Estelin told me the same thing.
In this documentary, when he's talking about Estelin's prediction, why doesn't he say this really credible guy, Lindsey Williams, who was a chaplain on an oil rig and lived with the globalists for years, defends exactly what you're saying.
Why not?
That's weird.
unidentified
Well, because he doesn't have Lindsay at this time?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
He doesn't have footage of Lindsay outside of the Bilderberg crew.
dan friesen
No, but he could still be talking to Daniel Estelin and say, Lindsey Williams, who lived with the globalists for years, said exactly the same thing for you.
Isn't that amazing that your story's lying?
jordan holmes
Don't complicate it.
We've got B-roll.
dan friesen
Roll it.
Right.
jordan holmes
Also, Lindsay may have been hiding in Daniel Estelin's ponytail.
dan friesen
That's true.
That is a crazy ponytail.
jordan holmes
That's a crazy offense.
That's a ponytail.
No, it's bananas.
dan friesen
I don't want to talk about Daniel Estelin more than we already have, except to say that that is weird that Alex doesn't bring that up, and that he's really fast and loose about who's telling him about these oil predictions.
The rest of the stuff that Daniel Estelin is going to say is just stuff that you would know if you followed the news.
Like, none of this is predictive.
None of it is.
And his predictions are wrong.
They proved to not be accurate in terms of, like, he says oil's going to get up to 150.
It didn't.
It got up to like 130 or something like that.
It was a big rise, yeah.
And then with the idea, all of the stuff, just if you followed trends, like Gerald Selenty claims to.
jordan holmes
Well, not like Gerald Salenti.
dan friesen
Like he claims.
jordan holmes
Maybe you followed trends, but not like Gerald Salenti.
dan friesen
If you had a decent awareness, you would know a lot of the stuff that he's saying.
none of it has to come from secret Bilderberg sources.
jordan holmes
So far, what I can summate from the evidence he's presented so far, is that...
dan friesen
Estillin or Alex?
jordan holmes
Alex.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Well, this entire fucking documentary and everybody in it.
No, that doesn't say what you say it does.
And even if it did, you're wrong about that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're lying, and you're wrong about the thing that you're lying about, even if the thing that you were lying about was true.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a ChiCom nested doll of lies.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
He also reported that after suckering the middle class back into the stock market, the group was going to implode the subprime mortgage market and destroy public confidence.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, everybody saw that coming up.
dan friesen
Why didn't we talk about that in Endgame?
jordan holmes
Oh, well, it hadn't happened yet.
dan friesen
But he would know it was going to happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it hadn't happened.
dan friesen
They were planning on doing that.
jordan holmes
You don't want to make a prediction that you can't back up.
dan friesen
They were planning on doing that.
Why didn't he tell anybody?
Why didn't he warn people?
jordan holmes
Because what?
People are going to think he's crazy if we start saying that there's some sort of subprime mortgage crisis that nobody else saw coming at all.
dan friesen
A lot of people did.
jordan holmes
No, nobody saw it coming.
Don't you remember that movie, The Big Short?
Nobody saw it coming.
dan friesen
Like Obama.
It was like, if you followed the news closely, you would know that there were a lot of concerns.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Well, one of the things that we're getting from this morning is how to do it.
jordan holmes
That ponytail is fucking nuts.
unidentified
The energy crisis.
dan friesen
This is Daniel Estelin sitting in a bar talking to Big Jim Tucker, whose back is to the camera.
jordan holmes
Big Jim?
dan friesen
Rest in peace, Big Jim Tucker, guy who wrote an overtly anti-Semitic publication specifically published by Willis Carto for the express purpose of shifting public opinion against the Jews.
jordan holmes
Come on, who would say that?
unidentified
The afternoon conference, which started at 4 o'clock, 4, 4, 30.
They were talking about one of the American delegates.
I wasn't told who exactly he was.
He was talking about the...
dan friesen
If you're watching this, it's interesting to watch Daniel Estelin's body language because what he's trying to do is recall information that he already knows and sort of improvise a storyline out of it.
Yeah.
You can see him coming up with this as he's going along.
There's a part of it that to me indicates creativity.
There's a creative thinking process that is going on that he's telling.
Because if he was reporting from what somebody inside Bilderberg told him, he'd have his notes or something like that.
jordan holmes
You don't need notes.
dan friesen
You have the notes.
jordan holmes
What journalist?
What self-respecting journalist would use notes?
dan friesen
He's not a journalist.
jordan holmes
That's like a job.
dan friesen
He's that guy who was a space commander.
Tell him about Bilderberg, and he puts it in a book.
jordan holmes
That's like a waiter writing your order down.
A good waiter doesn't have to write anything down.
dan friesen
would prefer they do also there's a certain point of accuracy that comes into into into it we're not When I get my burger, I want what I want on it on it.
And when I get my news, I want truth.
jordan holmes
Don't you really want a creative interpretation of what you asked for?
dan friesen
Generally, no.
Generally.
jordan holmes
Also, now, you may be being influenced in part by the fact that now that I see Daniel Estelin again, he looks so much like a magician.
It is insane.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
He looks, and the way he's holding his hands, and he's kind of like, you could see him having a card palmed right now.
Like, he's a magician or something.
dan friesen
Is this your New World Order?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
I wrote New World Order down on the 6th of Arch.
unidentified
American citizens are hard with the housing prices going down, so they're not investing that money.
jordan holmes
See, look at the way he's moving stands.
unidentified
...the illusion that everything is going well.
So what they're going to do over the next year, year and a half, is to bring the market back up to 1998, 1999 levels.
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
They're going to get all the suckers...
jordan holmes
Purchase the DVD copy of the Obama Discord.
Deception!
unidentified
And that's when they're going to make online!
They need to destroy the economy!
As we're running out of oil, when people don't travel, at least that's what they're saying.
When people don't travel, when people don't have money, they don't travel, they don't spend any money, which means you don't waste a lot of oil and natural gas.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
What?
No.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
No, he made sense.
So when people don't travel.
When people don't have oil, they don't travel.
dan friesen
Because he predicated that on we don't have oil.
Right.
Running out of oil.
So when people don't have money, they don't travel.
They don't spend.
jordan holmes
And then we don't use oil.
alex jones
So you have the source.
unidentified
Well, actually, they're true people who are members of the Bilderberg Club.
alex jones
It's actually members of the Bible.
unidentified
They're members of the Billiberg Club who for years and years and years have been going and participating in all the conversations.
They've always been dead on, always.
And last year, they said prices are going to go up to $150.
At the time, this went up to $76, basically doubled.
If it doubles again, it's going to be back to where these people started.
alex jones
They attacked Iran and Willadog.
They did this here.
Estalin and Jim Tucker.
jordan holmes
Plug in Big Jim.
dan friesen
Big Jim Tucker here with his fun hat and Miss Fit suit.
jordan holmes
Those guys.
dan friesen
That is not a bespoke suit.
No.
And what Estelin is wearing is crazy.
He looks nuts.
jordan holmes
No, it does look like a British guy in the 50s and his Indian attaché.
Yeah, like as they're conquering India.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It looks insane.
dan friesen
But they're holding up a copy of his book, The True Story of the Bilderberg Club.
Right, right.
That is the book that quotes the space commander, the Ashtar Space Commander.
Right.
alex jones
Able to report on future events with stunning acts.
jordan holmes
Is that a shirt?
alex jones
All because they know.
jordan holmes
It looks like he's wearing as a shirt a hammer pants.
Yes, oh, I do.
dan friesen
The violin is back.
jordan holmes
Oh, I do.
alex jones
125 of the richest and most influential individuals on the globe make up its memory.
jordan holmes
This is the same old voiceover, too.
dan friesen
And the same footage.
jordan holmes
This is the exact same clip.
He just edited the end game into this documentary.
dan friesen
Hadn't that runtime, baby?
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
When I got to this point, I had such mixed feelings.
Like, sincerely mixed feelings.
The first was nostalgia.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
No, the primary feeling was, what the fuck is happening?
Why is that violin back?
Why am I seeing the same shit over this documentary?
And then, yeah, the second feeling was nostalgia.
It was like, oh.
As soon as that violin was going for like three seconds, I was like, I love this song.
It filled me with sentiment.
And I was like, oh, God, I love it.
alex jones
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
We could never do this again.
alex jones
From Istanbul Church, Chantilly, Virginia.
dan friesen
Chantilly, list.
alex jones
The elusive Bilderberg Group.
dan friesen
You did.
alex jones
Bilderberg always insists on a media blackout.
By June of 2008, we had already figured out that Barack Obama was puppet of choice.
jordan holmes
Okay.
How'd you figure that one out?
dan friesen
Well, on June 4th, 2008, he won the Democratic primary.
So, like, in June 2008.
jordan holmes
So, on June 4th, he won the primary.
dan friesen
So, he was the Democratic candidate.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you would have to be fucking high to think that a Republican was going to win after eight years of Bush.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it made me nervous because I know how society works, and the idea of an African-American body made me think: like, this might not.
I was like, people might stay home, or you might end up seeing a lot of Democrats in the South not come out.
You know, like, there was a lot of concern.
jordan holmes
Isn't that crazy that the only thing that we like?
I remember even at that time being like, oh, the only thing that I am scared of because W's presidency was such a disaster is that somehow, despite the fact that people don't want a Republican in there, they'll be like, oh, he's black, so we can't have that.
Right, right.
And instead, we got a black president, and because of that, we now have Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
It is.
You take the rough with the smooth.
It turns out the rough ends up destroying the entire world.
jordan holmes
Is America ready for a black president?
We were, and now we very much worked.
dan friesen
Yep.
Oh, just real quick.
I need to drive home.
That saying that you knew, like, as if it's predictive or like you're a psychic, you knew in June 2008 that Obama was, you know, he was heading places.
Fuck you.
Fuck you right off.
jordan holmes
After running a six-month-long campaign with zero support and the natural assumption that he never had any chance to defeat Hillary Clinton, we knew in June when he won the nomination, he was the puppet.
Good work, guys.
dan friesen
Congratulations on your Gerald Salentian predictive powers.
alex jones
National media claimed that during the weekend, the Bilderberg group was scheduled to meet, that Obama had speaking engagements set for Chicago and the Midwest.
They claimed that you knew better.
jordan holmes
Did you?
alex jones
In a classic bait and switch, the Obama campaign told the press corps to get on Obama's campaign plane and that Obama would join them on the flight to Chicago.
Campaign staff then slammed the door shut.
The fawning press had been shanghaid as Obama's campaign aircraft lifted off without Obama.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Alex would laugh his ass off if Trump did that.
jordan holmes
That is hilarious.
dan friesen
Alex would be like, fuck you, Jim Acosta.
You got stuck on a plane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I hope you got recycled air.
jordan holmes
Did he do that on purpose?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, what, like, to literally shangha?
Not for the reason that he's saying it.
dan friesen
Let's let the press guy on the plane talk and then we'll come back.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because I don't remember this.
unidentified
Were we not told about this meeting and that the senator wouldn't be on our plane until the doors were shut and we were about the taxi to take off?
Again, we had a desire.
Senator Obama had a desire to do some meetings.
Others had a desire to meet with him tonight in a private way, and that's what we're doing.
We set up these meetings.
They're being done tonight.
Again, I'm personally.
I'm not going to get into all the details of the meetings.
I don't know that I've got a ton more different answers for all of your questions.
alex jones
Obama.
dan friesen
So, like, here's what I want to say about this.
Like, if it was some sort of evil, nefarious plan, they would have got someone slicker to be on that plane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
That was real bad.
That guy was terrible.
Hey, guys, I don't know.
I don't know if I want to say anything more about this.
jordan holmes
He looks eerily like a youth pastor and acts eerily like one as well.
Hey, guys, we're going to have a fun time, anyways, though.
Look, I can't really say so much about what God is planning on right now, but we're going to have a good old night.
We're going to sing some songs.
dan friesen
I just picture him being like, guys, I'm sorry.
I got to go to the bathroom.
He walks away and then bumps out the picture.
alex jones
Exactly.
jordan holmes
One of the parachutes is gone.
dan friesen
One of the reporters looks back.
unidentified
He's like, bombs away.
dan friesen
This got away from me.
I'm not doing a good job.
jordan holmes
I do not know what I'm doing.
I don't know why they asked me to do this.
webster tarpley
I quit.
dan friesen
Journalism.
I am out.
This is very bad.
This smart sort of Occam's razor explanation for this is that Obama and Hillary wanted to meet because he had just won the primary.
And there was a conversation about what kind of role she might have in the administration, that sort of thing.
And they didn't want press around, which I understand.
I think that's a little bit shady.
But in the grand scheme of things, I don't really think.
I don't think that's that nefarious.
Alex is going to suggest that they were both at Bilderberg.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's why they did this secret ruse in order for him to get to Bilderberg.
jordan holmes
Where was Bilderberg at the time?
dan friesen
He was in Chantilly, Virginia.
jordan holmes
Oh, he was in Virginia.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So he's going to suggest that, but there's no evidence that either of them were at Bilderberg.
There's no pictures.
Alex was there the whole time videotaping people going in and out.
jordan holmes
That's right.
He was there.
dan friesen
He was in Virginia.
He was there.
He has no evidence that they're there.
The records don't show that they're there.
And there's no reason for them to be there.
jordan holmes
That's how you know it's a cover-up.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Nonsense.
I think that the most likely scenario is that they were just wanting to have a private meeting, which I think they shouldn't have done, but who cares?
It's not as evil as Alex is presenting.
It's just sort of like a little bit abusive of the press.
jordan holmes
Something I'm noticing right now is that this is a terrible documentary.
Oh, you bet.
Not even in a substantive way.
That's not how I'm talking about this at all.
I'm not talking about all the lies and all the bullshit.
Just as a documentary, this is not entertaining.
dan friesen
No, no.
You can kind of get a sense of why I hated doing this preparation.
There's so many things that send you down stupid rabbit holes.
There's so many things that are just like, well, that's not true, but how do I prove that?
You know, there's so many things like that.
And there's things like this where it's like, there's an innocuous explanation for this, but you're never going to accept it.
unidentified
Also, that's pretty funny.
dan friesen
What?
Shanghai in the meeting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty funny.
You got to get if he wasn't having, like, I would way prefer if he was just like, I need a night off.
I'm going to go hang out with Michelle.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then he shanghaied the press.
That's hilarious.
If that was in a movie, if that was in a movie, that would have been played for laughs so hard.
dan friesen
The only way I accept that as a fun goof is if afterwards he sends them like an edible arrangement.
All of the people who are on the show.
Oh, for sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do something nice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
I wasn't going to Chicago.
He had a meeting to attend.
jordan holmes
A secret meeting.
unidentified
Initially, it was believed that the secret meeting took place at Clinton's Washington, D.C. home.
Obama's spokesman denied that, but won't confirm where the former rivals met.
dan friesen
He also keep in mind, right there, it says former rivals, because this is after the primary.
jordan holmes
So it's literally saying that they met.
alex jones
For a day and a half, the mainstream media engaged in a wild goose chase, trying to find out where Hillary and Obama had gone.
Three cover stories later, the corporate press had to admit they had no idea where the two candidates had gone.
dan friesen
They weren't candidates anymore.
Obama was the candidate.
Alex is trying to present and muddy the timeline to insinuate that the two of them were still in the running when Obama had already won the nomination.
And the reason for that is Alex believes that you go to Bilderberg and then the world elites decide who's running.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
dan friesen
So in order for that narrative to play out, he has to be both the academic candidates at the time.
jordan holmes
And then they were chosen using the golden dog who runs octopus in the tank.
Oh, the octopus.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a great one.
dan friesen
The reason that he has to do that is because if you have the knowledge that Obama had already won the nomination beforehand, then they're not choosing who won.
He won based on the votes in the primaries and stuff like that.
The argument falls apart.
So he tries to maintain that facade throughout this entire documentary, which is silly.
Bullshit.
I would say bullshit.
You say silly?
alex jones
I say bullshit.
And to this day, Clinton and Obama aren't talking.
unidentified
Plenty of sources knew about this meeting, told us and others that it was at Hillary Clinton's house, but clearly it wasn't.
alex jones
In 2008, the trail led us to the Westfields Marriott Hotel.
dan friesen
No, it didn't.
alex jones
Right outside.
jordan holmes
What trail?
dan friesen
The trail of Obama and Hillary didn't lead you there.
You were going there because you know that Bilderberg is there.
You were going to go yell into bullhorns no matter what.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but even then, what trail?
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
Like, no.
What you should have said is, we went to this Marriott.
dan friesen
That is exactly what he said.
jordan holmes
There's no trail.
Like, it wasn't like Obama left a series of breadcrumbs.
dan friesen
Also, do you remember?
We covered an episode in 2008 where Alex was getting ready to go to this Bilderberg.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he had found out that Bilderberg was going to be in Virginia.
So he started calling the Marriott.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember that.
dan friesen
God, I want to find that episode again.
That was so funny.
alex jones
We just flew into Washington, D.C. We're driving to the Westfields Marriott.
Tomorrow, the hotel's closed throughout the weekend and the weekend for the Bilderberg group meeting.
But we're going to check in the night before.
They're going to kick us out tomorrow.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
He looks so much more healthy now than he does now.
dan friesen
Yeah, what a different thing.
looks disgusting now but he looks all right back then he looks like he's heavier but he looks like a rough 30 ish guy but not like he's 30 something Yeah.
Like, he's 34?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, yeah, I get it.
I get it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But now, yeah, ooh, boy.
But beyond.
jordan holmes
He's a hard-drinking, hard-fighting Texan.
dan friesen
Beyond critiques of his physical stature or whatever, it's the nighttime, and he's saying, we're going to go check into this hotel because they're going to kick us out tomorrow for Bilderberg or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's a very tight timeline on this.
alex jones
At least five spy agencies.
CIA, Defense Intelligence, Massad, European Security.
dan friesen
Whatever.
alex jones
We checked into the Westfields Marriott 48 hours before hotel guests were scheduled to be thrown out ahead of the annual meeting.
dan friesen
Or how does that work?
jordan holmes
We're no longer reserved.
dan friesen
He said they're going to kick us out tomorrow because of the Bilderberg conference.
jordan holmes
Yes, because of the length of time reservation.
dan friesen
48 hours.
We're checking in 48 hours before, so that's two days.
What is it?
It doesn't make sense.
It's internally inconsistent.
jordan holmes
It's also a way of describing, like, okay, so I reserved a room at a hotel for a week.
Like, technically, I suppose you could say at the end of that week, they kicked me out.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, you could do that.
jordan holmes
You know?
Yeah.
Like, oh, what?
So I can't just stay longer than my reservation?
dan friesen
You're at a bar.
jordan holmes
Are you saying that other people reserved it for the rooms?
Ugh.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
You're at a bar doing happy hour, and at 9 o'clock, there's a private party.
So they tell people to leave.
I got kicked out.
Well, kind of, but.
jordan holmes
I guess.
unidentified
Yeah, you would have liked to stay longer, but they did tell you in advance.
dan friesen
You knew.
jordan holmes
Like, when you got there, they were like, by the way, this is going to happen.
Yeah.
alex jones
The building was nestled in the heart of the military-industrial complex.
dan friesen
You don't say in Virginia near D.C.?
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
Come on.
alex jones
With the National Reconnaissance Office and Raytheon, just a stone's throw away.
dan friesen
Look at this B-roll.
This is a nice hotel.
jordan holmes
That's a pretty solid terrible B-roll.
That's a pretty solid breakfast arrangement.
alex jones
The plan tonight is to try to not get arrested, dodge the security, get in there, get some footage of the elite arriving in the morning because some arrive before they officially lock it down and then getting out of the building.
That's our plan.
I'm also going to be getting a call by an international syndicate radio show, Coast Coast AM with George Norrie.
And all week he's getting briefings from me every night about things as they develop.
unidentified
The Continental Breakfast, isn't that great?
George, we're sitting here in the ring.
jordan holmes
There is no one on the other end of that phone.
There is no one on the other end of that phone.
Fuck you.
He is talking into a landline right now, and there is nobody on the other end of that line.
There is zero people on the other end of that line.
dan friesen
If you're not calling into a radio show, it is smart to call from a landline.
I'm not going to.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I'm not saying that he didn't call in.
I'm not saying that it's not a good idea to talk on the landline.
What I am saying is that for this shot in particular, there is no one on the other end of that phone.
dan friesen
And he has lights set up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a setup shot.
alex jones
No.
I know this is a setup.
They timed it exactly when this happened.
Open the door.
I want him to hear the fire alarm.
Open the door.
I want people to hear this live to the 16 million people listening.
unidentified
Voo Voo Zelas.
alex jones
George, do you hear that?
Now, they're going to use this as an excuse.
The Westfield Marriott, right outside D.C. in Chantilly, they want to use this to flush us out of here.
They're very upset.
Everybody that covers Bilderberg, I was detained two years ago, interrogated, screamed at.
They said Bilderberg was upset about me, wanted to stop us.
This is guaranteed.
Everywhere we go, we're followed.
We have another hotel across town as a base of operations.
They were there questioning us, getting in our faces.
We're being followed.
I need everybody's support right now.
jordan holmes
Wait, why do you have another hotel?
alex jones
They may have tried to concoct this in some way to say, you know, look, they didn't leave during a fire drill, assessing me, knowing I would stay into the interview.
That's not a crime.
The moment the crime Danheiser, the moment the phone rang, the guys answered it.
I'm standing there.
The alarm goes off.
It's going off right now.
The guests are exiting the hotel out there.
Of course, it's absolutely insane.
I noticed, too, that there was over 100 security people here today, but tonight we got back and it was a total ghost town.
And this is what's insane.
unidentified
We have a security guy 30 minutes ago, about 25 minutes before this happened.
alex jones
And said, what are you guys doing?
We said, we're just walking around checking out the artwork in the hotel.
dan friesen
There's the shot of the artwork.
alex jones
We're admiring that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
alex jones
We're also going around getting some footage.
And the cameras allowed.
We said, fine.
And then he said, yeah, we had somebody do a fire alarm a few weeks ago.
And my camera got wrong.
Why is he telling us about a fire alarm?
I forgot that part, George.
These bastards have done this.
unidentified
I don't know how they're planning to try to set us up or something, but this is incredible.
alex jones
We are here in the middle of this right now, George.
dan friesen
So this is Alex calling into Coast to Coast AM and a marvelous yarn.
jordan holmes
Ostensibly calling it.
dan friesen
I have a lot of problems with this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This entire story.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex claims that the fire alarm started just as the phone rang, but according to the footage that we just saw there, we start in media res with the call with the fire alarm already going.
Based on his track record, I don't trust Alex Jones unless he proves something.
And if he's out here filming himself at this hotel, staking out Bilderberg, I find it entirely implausible that he wasn't recording when he started making the call or when the fire alarm started.
So that to me is suspicious number one.
Suspicious number two, how is a fire alarm going to flush Alex Jones out?
It's not like if you leave your room during a fire alarm, you're checked out of the hotel.
If it's a situation where the globalists know he's in the hotel but don't know which room he's in, so they have to pull the fire alarm to get him out in the open.
How in control are the globalists, really?
They can't pressure a goddamn hotel manager to say where Alex Jones is.
He literally said everywhere we go, we're being followed.
So they know what room he's in.
In this doesn't mean anything.
Alex has a backup hotel where he was harassed by globalists, but naturally, no footage of that anywhere to be found.
Weird.
And also, what kind of setup can they pull by pulling the fire alarm and he doesn't leave?
Like, what kind of setup is that?
It's not a crime not to leave your room during a fire alarm.
It's fucking stupid.
They pull the alarm.
Look, he has no footage of that security guard that came up and told him people have been pulling fire alarms.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So that seems like suspicious.
jordan holmes
Based on his own description, we were filming at that time.
dan friesen
We saw the footage of the artwork.
saw that, you would think that there would be a piece of the footage.
jordan holmes
They couldn't get him to sign off.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
They couldn't get him to sign the release.
dan friesen
You would still have the footage of someone off camera saying, what are you doing?
That sort of thing that would lend credibility to your story.
Alex Jones is the sort of person who needs to put that in, or else his story is super fucking suspect.
jordan holmes
Also, look, if I ran a hotel and Alex Jones walked in, I would immediately have him followed around for no nefarious reason so much as, hey, I just need people to follow me around because you have a long and varied history of fucking with people, and that's not how I want my operation to be run.
Could you please not fuck with people?
Thanks.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
So my assessment of this is that what we're looking at here is a guy who's trying to come up with a story on the spot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, same with Estelin, the improv skills are going.
Like, Alex had nothing, but because the Marriott is just a normal hotel with nothing suspicious going on.
So when he got on the phone with George Norrie, he had zero to report.
We walked around, we saw some art.
That's about it.
There's nothing.
That's a boring appearance on Coast to Coast AM.
Maybe by a coincidence, the fire alarm went off, or maybe one of Alex's crew pulled it.
I have no way of knowing.
But whatever the case, now Alex has the ingredient he needs to avoid talking about the lack of anything substantive happening.
Now he can portray himself as the brave reporter who's out there whose life is in peril, who's also the victim of a grand conspiracy of fire alarm pulling.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So now, incidentally, I found the audio of the next day's episode of Coast to Coast AM, where Alex is talking about this with George Norrie.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And some of his story starts to change a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Now, in the clip that we just heard.
Well, there is multiplying people.
That's for sure.
In that clip that we just heard from Alex's endgame, Obama deception documentary, what we heard is a story about one guard coming up to him when he's trying to take pictures for B-roll.
He's trying to create, you know, his getting pictures of the artwork and what have you.
Now let's hear what he says the next day on Coast to Coast AM.
alex jones
D.C. area, the Bilderberg conference.
It was supposed to get underway today.
unidentified
Did it?
alex jones
Let's check in with our own Alex Jones.
Alex, you safer today?
George, I am, and thank God that you're having me on the show because we're in a lot of danger.
And I've never said this before, even when I was detained for 15 hours in Canada covering it two years ago.
I want to point out you are the only large commercial mainstream show.
In fact, no one, no newspapers, nothing is covering it but your radio show with 16 million listeners and then my smaller news websites infoars.com and prisonplanet.com last Alex is saying that he's smaller than somebody.
jordan holmes
Right now.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Right now, give him a year or two.
alex jones
Tonight, for three minutes before you went to me, right when you called, an alarm went off, the fire alarm.
And the reason I was so upset is that walking up 10 minutes before, maybe 12 minutes before, two security walk up to us and they say, hey, have you heard of people pulling fire alarms?
They like to do that to rob places.
I said, that's a strange story.
Thank you.
And as soon as this happened, I'm waiting on hold.
Tom called your producer right as the alarm went off.
When I'm back in the room, I'm thinking, what's going on?
I had an indefinite film channel crew in there filming all of this.
Which explains what's happening.
The fire alarm is going off.
Everything's crazy.
unidentified
And it seemed like everybody was walking out in an orderly fashion.
alex jones
Hundreds of the guests who had to be out early this morning, and then Bilderberg did happen.
They did arrive.
We get into that.
It's incredible what happened.
It got even crazier.
Nothing like this has ever happened to me.
We go downstairs.
We're standing out there with over 200 people, and they walk up to the security and say, We are going to F you up.
And then they said, That goes for you, Alex, and you, Rob.
Well, the hotel was under my name.
Rob is one of my camera guys, unknown.
Rob Dude.
Rob James.
That's famous now.
We got up early this morning, videotaped, Marines coming in.
dan friesen
So that's all you really need to hear there from that.
It might actually be Rob Jacobson.
I'm not entirely sure.
There's two Robs in Alex's world at this point.
jordan holmes
There's a couple Robs.
dan friesen
That's entirely possible.
But so now what we have is the evolution of this narrative.
First, it was one security guard who came up to him and said something about fire alarms.
And now we have two security guards.
jordan holmes
One could have just been a random guy.
Once you got two security guards in there, that's conspiracy.
dan friesen
Right, so there's that, which is that's a problem for me.
When the story changes with basic facts.
jordan holmes
Especially that quickly.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit.
jordan holmes
That was right out the gate at the beginning of the story.
dan friesen
Needed to make it a little bit more suspicious, so you added a dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not good.
So now he also said in that interview the next day with George Norrie on Coast to Coast AM that after the alarm was going off, he finished his interview with George, and then they left.
And a security guard came up to them and said, I'm going to fuck you up, Rob Alex.
There's footage of them leaving for the fire alarm.
They don't have footage of any of this stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, they don't?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's odd.
dan friesen
There's a fire truck.
jordan holmes
I'm going to fuck you up, Rob.
dan friesen
Was that the truck talking?
jordan holmes
That was the truck talking.
unidentified
It's a Transformer.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, it's an Autobot.
dan friesen
Here's footage of them leaving.
Being outside.
There's Alex right there outside.
No one's fucking with him.
There's a guy in a robe.
jordan holmes
Also, not chaos.
Everybody's just kind of hanging around.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
There's a fire engine.
dan friesen
So now we're on to the next morning.
They had footage of them outside.
They had multiple cameras with them when they left.
If all that is true, then they would have footage of them being threatened by a guard.
jordan holmes
Couldn't get them to sign the release.
dan friesen
But they would have the camera down and use the audio then.
You can still do that.
unidentified
Also, if it is a scheduled fire drill.
dan friesen
I don't know if it was.
I'm not sure if.
jordan holmes
Fire department usually doesn't show up.
dan friesen
That's not true necessarily.
jordan holmes
That's not true necessarily, but if it is a scheduled fire department, usually you call ahead of a scheduled fire.
dan friesen
Coast to Coast AM is on it like midnight.
There's a fire drill that they plan at that hour.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's a shit hotel.
jordan holmes
So what is more likely?
dan friesen
Someone pulled the alarm.
jordan holmes
What is more likely?
One of the shadowy conspiratorial globalists pulled the fire alarm in order to specifically get Alex out, which doesn't do anything.
Because he was going to leave anyway.
dan friesen
And doesn't scare anybody.
unidentified
Or.
dan friesen
So if the globalists did that.
jordan holmes
So who has motive?
dan friesen
Well, the globalists don't, because if they did that, all they've done is hand Alex a narrative on a silver platter that he gets to use to pretend he's oppressed and a victim and he's brave.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is that Alex has the most to gain from this fire alarm being a little bit more.
dan friesen
He's like Qui Bono all the time.
Who benefits?
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Rob Jacobson or Rob Dew.
Whichever the Rob was.
jordan holmes
Whichever Rob.
dan friesen
Because they just got play on Coast to Coast AM, which is a much bigger thing than Alex at this point.
They just got promoted.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They pulled the fire line.
dan friesen
So, anyway, the next morning.
jordan holmes
Smoking gun.
Back to the left.
Was that Dave Chappelle?
No.
I didn't know he used to run security for the Bilderberg Group.
alex jones
Let's get out of here now, Richard.
dan friesen
They have checked out of the hotel and they're acting like they're running out of the place.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
We paid our bill.
Let's get out of here.
dan friesen
So now this is a car that they're going to pretend is following them.
Now, if you pay close attention, this is clearly a silver car.
Later, they will pretend that it is the same thing as a very clearly bluish-green car with a similar build.
There's no doubt about that.
But I don't believe it's the same car.
jordan holmes
Right now, you are Joe Pesci and my cousin Vinny, my friend.
dan friesen
So far, no evidence of following.
You do have a car behind you.
alex jones
You made about, what, five turns and six turns the same cars following us?
dan friesen
Alex has the camera going in his car and doesn't show the five turns that were taken by this car.
It is just Alex saying he followed us for five turns or whatever.
Now, pay attention.
jordan holmes
What?
Are they going into the same Olive Garden we are?
dan friesen
You're very close.
alex jones
Now he looks like he's following us into a.
He came out of Milderberg.
He came out of the Westfield.
unidentified
Being a little bit startled, but not too big.
dan friesen
It doesn't look like the same car.
unidentified
There he is.
That's him over there in the blue car.
jordan holmes
In the blue car.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
This is just a guy.
jordan holmes
That's the most just a guy.
dan friesen
He doesn't have a gun.
jordan holmes
That is just a guy.
dan friesen
He's just going into this Moe's Southwestern grill.
This doesn't prove anything.
This doesn't prove they were being followed.
jordan holmes
Also, he's not.
Look, either he's incredible as a tail, which he wouldn't be if they noticed him immediately.
Or he's incredible as a secret agent because he's just walking in almost as if he has no idea who is around him.
dan friesen
Super nonchalant.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Just wants some shitty food.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he's not.
dan friesen
This is zero, man.
This is nothing.
jordan holmes
That's nothing.
dan friesen
This is Alex trying to create some sort of narrative that he was being followed and stuff like that.
I would believe, I believe there's a world that exists where someone staying at the Marriott wanted shitty Mexican food.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And went to this Moe's.
I don't know how far away that is from the Marriott.
Alex didn't demonstrate that.
If he was being followed, he had multiple cameras in the car.
They would have footage of all of that.
The third turn, he would be taping like, oh my God, this guy keeps following us.
Wouldn't that bolster his argument?
jordan holmes
No, they were like, oh, my God, this is a similar car.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
That looks very similar.
jordan holmes
I'm colorblind.
dan friesen
We're being followed.
jordan holmes
It's blue.
No, it's silver.
dan friesen
He doesn't look back or anything.
jordan holmes
Nope.
alex jones
We're headed back to the Marriott here in Chicago.
jordan holmes
And then they're just allowed to leave like there's no problem.
alex jones
2008.
They successfully almost treaded the last day and a half inside, got out with some great stuff.
dan friesen
No, you didn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he got out with some great stuff.
dan friesen
A picture of a painting?
jordan holmes
They got out with some great stuff.
dan friesen
We did a great set piece on Coast to Coast AM.
Great stuff.
jordan holmes
That was great stuff.
dan friesen
Great stuff.
So I'll be honest.
jordan holmes
I mean, by their standards, they did get out with some great stuff.
dan friesen
I'll be honest, I don't have a lot to say about the next stretch of this documentary.
jordan holmes
Let's just enjoy it.
dan friesen
In my notes, it just says, this stretch is meaningless.
alex jones
They've been tailed, and now we're going back to cover the dignitaries, the elitist, as they arrive.
unidentified
And right now is the prime time for him to start arriving for the next three, four hours.
alex jones
We took about a 30-minute break.
I'm sure we missed a few, but it doesn't matter.
We've got scores of people that just organically are listeners.
Info Warriors that are out here taking action.
jordan holmes
We have.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Let me count.
dan friesen
About 25.
jordan holmes
Let me count how many scores of people they have.
dan friesen
About 25 or something.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with.
dan friesen
30 tops.
jordan holmes
One score.
One score, Dan.
dan friesen
Put the violins back.
jordan holmes
Unscore people.
dan friesen
They're all excited that Alex Jones is there because he's a celebrity.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Cars appearing.
jordan holmes
He's going with the classic double bullhorn technique.
dan friesen
Tyranny Crusher 25 and 2.75.
unidentified
Trying to chart the future of our destiny.
alex jones
We're taking our tests.
jordan holmes
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
So, this is a meeting that happened while they were in the car.
He was like, okay, so I'm going to take a bullhorn out and I'm going to scream at it.
And then some dude's like, Rob Dew is right there next to him going, Whoa, dude.
This is a documentary.
You pull out the double bullhorn or you fucking go home.
dan friesen
Can you imagine how much more powerful it is when you speak into two bullhorns?
jordan holmes
I would go with not.
dan friesen
Do you see how far away the building is?
Like, you can't cover that distance with one bullhorn.
jordan holmes
I really don't think that's how it works, though.
It's not.
I think both bullhorns amplify at the exact same amount.
dan friesen
Still, no one can hear him.
jordan holmes
It's not like they.
If anything, they probably interfere with each other and it makes the sound less claric.
dan friesen
He's very far away.
Less clear.
If you look at this shot here, he's very far away from the building.
jordan holmes
He looks like he's in a suburb.
dan friesen
I think, yeah, I mean, Chantilly isn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I mean, like, a suburb at a different time, exactly.
alex jones
Girl!
Woo!
Baba bully!
Secret service.
dan friesen
So they have video of seven convoys of a bunch of people coming in, and they show close-ups of people.
None of the people that they talk about in the documentary.
jordan holmes
This would be a great time to play Convoy.
alex jones
Entering the Westfields Marriott.
And internal sources confirm.
jordan holmes
We got a little old convoy.
Hey.
dan friesen
So Alex says that internal sources confirm that Obama and Hillary attended one meeting, but that's just Daniel Estellen telling him that.
That's not official.
They weren't there.
There's no evidence that they were there.
The official record doesn't show that they were there.
Alex has no proof that they were there.
He's videotaping people going in and out of it.
He doesn't have any footage of Obama or Hillary being there.
There's nothing.
It's just Daniel Estelin lying about shit.
jordan holmes
Magic.
alex jones
While the Bilderberg group was 100% successful in 2008 at the time out of the mainstream media.
Not true.
jordan holmes
Not true.
Oh, that one has a B on it.
alex jones
Daring the event: anti-New World Order protesters and alternative media encircled the hotel.
unidentified
You're being exposed everywhere from David Rockefeller from Jefferson.
dan friesen
This guy in the striped suit.
That's C.W. McCall.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
So C.W. McCall is 14.
dan friesen
14 Gray Roll Convoy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
No, that's Luke Rodowski.
He's one of the guys behind and one of the main players in We Are Change.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That grew out of the Ron Paul campaign.
Right, right, right.
I wanted to do.
jordan holmes
Definitely not an 11-year-old racist wearing a pinstripe suit.
dan friesen
I wanted to talk a lot about Luke Rodowski.
jordan holmes
He does not fit.
dan friesen
I looked into him, though, and I'm not confident in a lot of the claims that are made about him.
There are a lot of people who have made accusations that he embezzled tons of money from We Are Change and was using it basically as his personal bank account.
But because of the, you know, he never was charged with it or anything like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Some of these people have like bank receipts and stuff that they've posted.
I don't know enough about it, and for me to make that kind of accusation would be irresponsible.
So I'm going to punt on Luke Radowski, with the exception of saying a lot of people think he was up to no good.
unidentified
Edward, from Bill Clinton, your game of secrecy is over!
You're in a very good game, it's up for you, piece of crap!
jordan holmes
This is Bernanke, man!
unidentified
Vernaki, you're going down.
dan friesen
He did.
He resigned.
He was out.
No?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got him.
unidentified
Obama, we know you're here, Obama.
dan friesen
I don't know who this lady is.
jordan holmes
seems nice purchase a dvd copy of the obama deception There's a scroll that keeps going under the video.
alex jones
Brave Americans came from all over the United States and bullhorned the main conference hall at close range as the global power broker schemed inside.
dan friesen
And that solved everything.
jordan holmes
I'm amazed by why this is still happening.
You are criminal!
This is not a.
Like, are they.
Is he making a point?
Is he saying that the people are coming together to stop them?
alex jones
The global elite are dead.
jordan holmes
I don't get what he's accomplishing here.
By replaying an endgame.
alex jones
Population discovers that policy is being developed covertly by powerful special interest.
The people will revolt.
jordan holmes
Hey, it's Big Jim Tucker.
unidentified
Under federal law, for federal officials to help.
jordan holmes
Is Tucker dead by now?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
World policy with non-federal workers.
jordan holmes
Jim Tucker walking through the lobby of a hotel being bothered not at all.
dan friesen
When you said, is he dead?
I don't think he's dead at this point, but he is when we're recording this.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no, he's dead now.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think he was still alive when he was making because that's a new interview.
Or at least it wasn't an endgame.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Doesn't mean it was.
jordan holmes
As opposed to the rest of this B-roll.
dan friesen
Also, he's misrepresenting the Logan Act.
alex jones
Right.
unidentified
Everybody from the start.
jordan holmes
That was the one where Wolverine died at the end, right?
dan friesen
You bet.
unidentified
Show up as they always do.
They're committing a criminal act simply by being here to attend a secret meeting with officials from other countries to discuss U.S. policy in the world.
dan friesen
Prove any of that.
unidentified
So literally, it's a criminal act.
dan friesen
This is my favorite shot of this entire documentary right here.
Alex Jones in a black shirt, black button-up shirt, sunglasses, flanked by old man Jim Tucker in his silly lounging by the pool hat and his suspenders.
It looks like this sort of young guy is, you know, he's the guy who's like, I'm muscle, and I'm here to back up this old man who's the oracle, who's like, I am feeble in body, but I am great in wisdom.
Alex is charging in with like, I will defend this old man telling that it looks like something out of a bad movie.
It just is amazing.
jordan holmes
And he looks.
dan friesen
This picture tells a thousand words.
jordan holmes
Tucker right now looks a little bit like a private eye in a 50s movie.
Like that is that he's wearing the suspenders.
He's got the tie and he's got the silly hat on top of it.
dan friesen
He's modeled himself that way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Elmore Leonard is a huge fan of Tucker.
dan friesen
Yes.
He's the archetype of all Leonard protagonists.
But I could stare at this for hours.
There's so much here.
There's just.
jordan holmes
What's important to note is that while there is so much metaphorically there, there are like eight guys.
No such thing.
It is not a giant march.
It's like a few dudes getting together.
Some people go bowling on the weekends.
These guys protest Bilderberg or whatever.
dan friesen
And everything they're saying is made up of people who don't understand the law.
jordan holmes
Absolute bullshit.
unidentified
And every newspaper, every broadcaster has a patriotic duty to expose these skunk and the evil they protect.
dan friesen
You write for a publication that was created to demonize Jews.
Don't tell the media their obligations.
jordan holmes
Everybody's obligation.
alex jones
The election primary served as a great diversion while the true future course of the nation was being set by the primary was over before Bilderberg.
unidentified
All right, now one second.
jordan holmes
Based on the still shot that they showed before this, which was, I think it was Obama and Hillary at a debate.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
jordan holmes
And they had it shot.
dan friesen
It might have been highly stylized.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it was shot from an angle where it looked like Hillary was looking at Obama with kind of like this side eye of like, fuck you, man.
The only thing I could think during that, though, is, I bet Obama could pull off an earring.
I really think he should get an earring.
dan friesen
Now that he's out of office.
jordan holmes
Now that he's out of an office, man, he should really fucking go for it.
dan friesen
He didn't wear the flag pin for a while and everyone wore a tan suit and everyone was mad.
jordan holmes
Do you remember those times?
Those were good times whenever a flag pin was not a fucking destroy.
dan friesen
I'm just saying, imagine if he had an earring.
He couldn't pull it off then.
Maybe pull it off, but not in politics.
jordan holmes
Oh, he could absolutely pull it off.
He'd look great.
webster tarpley
We've got, obviously, the Bilderberger group.
alex jones
Webby.
unidentified
And then we have the Crypt Keeper.
webster tarpley
You've got the Trilateral Commission founded by David Rockefeller's Big New Brzezinski.
They're the ones who ran the Carter's administration.
Everybody in the Carter administration, from Carter and Mondale and Volcker and Brzezinski, were all members of the Trilateral Commission.
jordan holmes
You just hated Carter.
alex jones
He was a member of Rap Sensation Public Enemy.
Professor Griff gave us his view on the Obama phenomenon.
jordan holmes
All right, of course.
Why wouldn't Professor Griff?
No, I'm out.
I'm out.
He's not.
No, I'm done.
unidentified
I truly believe imperialism and that's the problem.
jordan holmes
Where even are you guys?
dan friesen
I actually do know where they are because in order to get this interview, Alex had to have the guy who owns this bookstore on his show.
The guy who owns this bookstore, it's a black nationalist bookstore.
Okay.
And he was a friend of Professor Griff's, and that's how Alex Jones got in touch with him and was able to do this interview.
So they did this in this.
I can't remember the name of it.
No, I don't think so.
Oh, okay.
Maybe it is?
I'm not entirely sure exactly where it is.
He called into the show, so I'm not sure if it's in August.
I don't think Alex is even there for this interview.
I think that they just taped Professor Griff saying shit and sent the video down.
jordan holmes
Do you know what would be a great fucking documentary for Alex to do?
Just all the tertiary members of so many hip-hop groups just giving their political opinions.
I would watch the shit out of that documentary.
dan friesen
I mean, KRS-1 was very important.
jordan holmes
I'm not talking about KRS-1.
dan friesen
Okay, I thought you meant that.
jordan holmes
And I'm not saying that Professor Griff is not an integral member of.
dan friesen
I would say a better documentary for Alex to do late career is revisit all the people he's listened to and wrestle with why it was a bad idea to listen to.
I would pay to watch that documentary.
jordan holmes
I want to hear him talk to Inspector Deck.
dan friesen
Not tertiary.
jordan holmes
I didn't say he was tertiary.
God damn it.
unidentified
And the facelift is going to have to be black.
And the reason why I believe that is simply because I think they're trying to go into Africa, but they're already in Africa.
Yep.
But they want to totally control all the natural minerals.
dan friesen
Oh, really?
unidentified
They're going to need to carry them out.
jordan holmes
Never heard of white people doing that shit before.
unidentified
I'm following you.
They have to go through a phase of galvanizing the masses of dark-skinned people that truly believe that change needs to come.
But the change that they're talking about is not necessarily change for the better as far as the masses of the people.
It's probably a better change for them.
It's not going to change for us.
The little man on a totem pole.
And no one looks at the agenda.
As long as he positions himself right, have the right tie on, have the right smile.
jordan holmes
Not a tan suit, though.
unidentified
Repeats the slogans over and over and drives it and drives it home.
The average DF.
jordan holmes
Professor Griff brought to you by PrisonPlanet.com.
unidentified
And we don't even know what the agenda is.
dan friesen
So, suffice it to say, I think that analysis is weak as fuck.
First off, where is Professor Griff getting the idea that colonialist powers haven't been completely plundering Africa for centuries?
jordan holmes
Hold on.
Who could say that?
dan friesen
They don't fucking need a one-world government or a black president in the United States.
The world has been abusing Africa pretty much forever.
unidentified
You say that, but then you don't even take into account Rhodesia.
dan friesen
Well, considering what the British did to South Africa for gold and diamonds.
jordan holmes
No, come on.
dan friesen
Or what the Belgians did to the Congo for ivory and rubber.
jordan holmes
Those were tiny hiccups.
dan friesen
Or what the Germans did to Namibia for, I don't know, power, I guess.
jordan holmes
They were just being German.
dan friesen
I don't think that the concept of an African union, this possible idea, could possibly be any worse than what colonialism has already inflicted on the continent.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So now for Professor Griff, colonialism is great.
I think that he's expressing a dumb idea.
It seems to not take into account the last couple hundred years.
But I don't think he's a real professor.
gerald celente
What?
dan friesen
I have some suspicions he's not a professor.
So Public Enemy made some great points.
jordan holmes
Now, at the same time, what's his fuck?
dan friesen
Webster Tarpon.
jordan holmes
Mustache-less Wilford Brimley.
dan friesen
What, Jim Tarpo?
jordan holmes
Webster Tarpo.
He has a PhD.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And he's somehow saying even worse nonsense than Professor Griff.
So who deserves professorship?
dan friesen
Sure.
I'll give him the honorific of professor.
But look, they've made some great music, Public Enemy, there's no doubt about that.
But a lot of the things that Professor Griff has said in interviews are deeply problematic.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And more so than just the things that we know offhand.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So in 1988, he told British publication The Face, quote, there's no place for gays.
When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, it was for that sort of behavior.
In another media interview with British publication, he said, quote, the white race or Caucasian race came from the Caucasus Mountains.
It was not black people who made it with monkeys, animals, and dogs, but it was white people.
He went on to say, quote, they say the white Jews build the pyramids.
Shit.
The Jews can't even build houses that stand up nowadays.
How the hell did they build the pyramids?
Finally.
jordan holmes
If that weren't so hilariously racist, I would be against it.
unidentified
Finally, he came to the end of his thought by saying, quote, racist-ass bullshit thing to say.
dan friesen
If the Palestinians took up arms, went into Israel and killed all the Jews, it'd be all right.
Not great.
Not great, not great.
Some problems.
jordan holmes
As someone who likes to take extreme positions vis-à-vis genocide, even I'm not for that one.
dan friesen
These statements were made all in.
The Palestinians just killed all the Jews.
jordan holmes
Just killed all the Jews.
dan friesen
I don't think it would be all right.
unidentified
I don't think he is a fan of Jesus.
dan friesen
Cool.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's a fan of Jews.
dan friesen
So these statements were made in British magazine.
So they went largely unnoticed, and everything was A-ok for a bit.
Asked about Professor Griff's comments by a writer for Spin magazine, Chuck D, said, quote, I back Griff.
Whatever he says, he can prove.
Then Spike Lee.
unidentified
Chuck D heard the things that he said.
jordan holmes
No shit.
unidentified
Oh, fuck.
dan friesen
But then Spike Lee.
jordan holmes
Chuck D's an anti-Semite Jewish.
dan friesen
No, he just didn't want trouble.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So then Spike Lee featured their song.
jordan holmes
Wait, he didn't want trouble, so he agreed with the anti-Semitic shit.
dan friesen
Because he thought it would blow over.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So then Spike Lee featured their song Fight the Power in his movie Do the Right Thing.
And Public Enemy was a hot commodity.
Everyone was interested in them, which unfortunately led to a 1998 interview with The Washington Post where Professor Griff said, quote, Jews are responsible for the majority of the wickedness that goes on around the globe.
That's the quote that most people remember.
Unfortunately, he said way more than that in that interview.
He went on a full-on anti-Semitic screed and cited Henry Ford's book, The International Jew, as a source.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Professor Griff is a pens dispenser?
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
He dared the Jews to, quote, send their faggot little hitmen after him in that interview, which is I think he's really trying to complete the cycle.
jordan holmes
He's batting for the cyclone.
He's going for all of it.
dan friesen
He said that Jews gave black people AIDS and concluded that, quote, he must be speaking the truth because if he wasn't, the Jew who owned CBS would have since forced him out of the group.
jordan holmes
It takes a nation of the five Jew bankers to hold us back, I believe, is the working title of that album.
dan friesen
I'm not sure if it was the Jew who owned CBS who did it, but Griff was pretty quickly fired as Public Enemy's Minister of Information.
jordan holmes
He was the Minister of Information.
That was his title in the group.
Hey, you know what?
He could still be a representative in Iowa.
dan friesen
20 years later, Professor Griff wrote a book called Analytics, spelled A-N-A-L-Y-T-I-X-Z.
unidentified
Love it.
dan friesen
Where he gave this rambling explanation for his actions.
Quote, to say the Jews are responsible for the majority of wickedness that went on around the globe, I would have to know about the majority of wickedness that went around the globe, which is impossible.
I'm not the best knower.
God is.
Then, not only knowing that, I would have to know who is at the crux of all the problems in the world.
And then to blame the Jewish people, that's not correct.
But that is a non-apology apology.
jordan holmes
What did he just say?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Did he just say, nah, you can't believe me?
jordan holmes
And judge me for saying that because I don't know.
And you don't know.
God knows.
dan friesen
Basically, what he's saying is God knows the Jews are behind this, but it's wrong to say that.
alex jones
I don't know all that.
dan friesen
That's kind of the feeling I get.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Also, in his book, it's unclear if he ever apologized for his comments about the, quote, faggot little hitmen.
jordan holmes
It was a different time.
People threw around anti-gay slurs a lot more.
dan friesen
All this doesn't really matter because he pretended to be sorry and he made a visit to the Holocaust Museum and it all did kind of blow over with the exception of that Jews are responsible for the wickedness comment that everyone still remembers.
The rest of that stuff, everyone's kind of like, also, I mean, because he did all that and it blew over, he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2013 with Public Enemy reinstalled as their minister of information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, people grow and change.
dan friesen
How crazy is that?
jordan holmes
People grow and change, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Jesus.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
Beyond that, you know what?
I'm going to put that low on my list of things that are bad about the rock and roll hall of venture.
dan friesen
I'm not here to talk about the hall.
jordan holmes
That's a problem.
That's not even in the top 10 of worst things about the rock and roll hall of fame, if you want to go line by line on band.
dan friesen
They do have some systemic problems.
But beyond all that, Professor Griff is a follower of Louis Farrakhan, espouses deeply anti-white sentiment.
He's basically the archetype of a black racist that Alex complains about all the time, and yet here he is presented as an expert in Alex Jones' documentary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he's the black racist who's on his team right now.
dan friesen
I guess he's the one who also believes in the New World Order, but very clearly thinks it's Jews.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Doesn't want to talk about that.
jordan holmes
Nah, come on.
unidentified
Anyway, what is it with people in the Jews?
jordan holmes
Leave them alone.
alex jones
Can't book with no apologies.
Senator Barry Goldwater said the Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interest by seizing control of the political government of the United States.
The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical.
The trilateral commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved.
As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future.
jordan holmes
They just showed what is essentially the globe from Mystery Science Theater.
No, from Superman.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, this is a Barry Goldwater quote from his book with no apologies.
I don't really care.
I don't trust Barry Goldwater.
So, I mean, I believe he said that, but I don't give a shit.
Sure.
I straight don't give a shit.
So, Barry Goldwater.
Do you know about Barry Goldwater?
jordan holmes
I know enough about Barry.
dan friesen
You don't know any of the stuff I'm about to tell you about.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything.
This is a non-Andrew Jackson situation.
dan friesen
Barry Goldwater was a five-term senator from Arizona, who was to put it mildly, batshit crazy.
jordan holmes
Hey, no, they invented that rule where you're not allowed to say that he's batshit crazy.
dan friesen
So, Barry was born the son of parents who owned a department store called Goldwater's, which he would go on to take over after his father's death.
Due to the store's success, his family had a comfortable wealth his entire life, bringing in an estimated million dollars a year as of 1941, which would be $17 million in present-day terms.
jordan holmes
Doing all right.
dan friesen
He was pretty good in the 40s.
This allowed Barry to pursue his own interests, which ended up being weird conservatism.
In World War II, Barry joined the Air Force and flew supply runs.
So, you know, it's pretty cool.
He was very passionate about flying airplanes, and that went throughout a great part of his life.
Then in 1952, he was elected to the U.S. Senate.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I skipped over something.
I forgot to tell you that in 1939, Barry Goldwater started a national fad when he invented something called ANSI pants, which were just men's underwear with big red ants printed on them.
jordan holmes
All right.
As of 1939.
dan friesen
He made so much money on ANSI pants.
jordan holmes
As of 1939, I am fine with Barry Goldman.
I assume that there are no other mitigating factors that happen later on in his life that I would perhaps say back to the Senate in 1952.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Barry went on to Congress, bringing with him ANSI Pants money and an already.
jordan holmes
Barry Goldwater invented ANSI pants, a fad that continues to this day.
dan friesen
Does not continue to say, I don't think.
So, he brought along that money in an already deeply entrenched opposition to labor unions.
He hated the New Deal for that reason and had prior to running for Senate campaigned for Arizona to be a right-to-work state where employees didn't have real rights.
In 1963, Barry was a vociferous opponent of the Civil Rights Act, claiming it would infringe on property and states' rights.
Naturally, that kind of thinking netted Barry the Republican nomination for president in 1964.
jordan holmes
How things change.
dan friesen
President Eisenhower endorsed Goldwater, saying, Quote, I personally believe that Goldwater is not an extremist, as some people have made him.
But in any event, we're all Republicans.
That is not a ringing endorsement.
jordan holmes
Ooh, how things change.
How different it is now, where we would never allow this kind of behavior.
dan friesen
Also, it's hard to square that idea that he's not an extremist with the pain speech that Barry Goldwater gave, where he said that we should be using nuclear weapons just as liberally as conventional weapons in Vietnam.
He went on to go so far as to suggest that field commanders should have the authority to use tactical nukes without the approval of the president.
Even with the president signing off, that would be a crime against humanity.
jordan holmes
I love how stupid people always think tactical nukes is like, oh, no, no, no, they're nukes that are like, it'll take down a guy.
Like, no, dude, it's still going to take down a three-square mile and then make 30,000 miles uninhabitable for the next 100 years.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So he, I mean, you just flippantly say that things like that should be policy, which is very reminiscent of Donald Trump saying we should kill terrorists' families.
jordan holmes
No, we would never allow.
Look, we voted down Barry Goldwater, so I assume that we would never allow somebody who says things like that to be president ever again.
dan friesen
So that same year, Facts magazine printed an article called The Unconscious of a Conservative, a special issue on the mind of Barry Goldwater, a play on his book, The Conscience of a Conservative.
In that article, the writer said that Barry Goldwater was, quote, severely paranoid personality who was unfit for office.
Barry sued him for libel and won, thus creating the Goldwater rule, where media personalities steer away from criticizing the mental states of public personalities.
Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention something.
At this point, Barry Goldwater was also running a ham radio station out of his house.
unidentified
So how did that guy lose that lawsuit?
dan friesen
It seems pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
It seems pretty crazy.
dan friesen
He invented Antsypants and was running a ham radio station out of his house while he was a senator.
jordan holmes
I feel like that makes you unfit for the office.
dan friesen
Crazy.
So in the 1968 presidential campaign, Barry Goldwater backed Nixon, which is kind of strange.
Like I mentioned earlier, a lot of Alex's other ideological ancestors were firmly on board with segregationist candidate George Wallace during that campaign.
I don't know what to make of Barry's involvement with Nixon, but I should also tell you that in 1976, Goldwater was inducted into the International Swimming Hall of Fame.
jordan holmes
You know, with guys like Goldwater, you never hear the positive things about him.
dan friesen
You didn't know he was a championship swimmer.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that.
Now that I know that, now I'm excited.
dan friesen
In 1968.
jordan holmes
Maybe he was fit for office, Dan.
He was fit for swimming.
dan friesen
Goldwater finally retired from the Senate, and his seat was filled by none other than John McCain.
In 1988, Barry endorsed George H.W. Bush for president, which is another weird choice for the people in this world.
That might have had something to do with Barry being good friends with Bush's father, Prescott Bush, actual Nazi collaborator and war profiteer.
So he was friends with Prescott Bush, who endorsed him when he ran for president.
Now he endorsed his son.
jordan holmes
Nazis got to stick together, man.
dan friesen
Also, there was a great exchange that I found between him and John McCain about like Goldwater was like, if I was in charge, you never would have been at that Hanoi Hilton.
You never would have been a POW of the Vietnam if I had been in charge.
And McCain's response, I think, is nice and snappy.
And it's like, you're right.
I would have been a prisoner of war with the Chinese.
Which is like, ooh, burn.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
Nice, McCain.
jordan holmes
No, come on, McCain.
He would have been dead.
He would have nuked you forever.
dan friesen
Probably.
So by 1993, a now retired 80-year-old man, Barry Goldwater, advocated for the creation of laws to protect homosexuals from discrimination and supported the right of homosexuals to openly serve in the military.
All of this was because he found out that his grandson was gay.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
Even though he had previously been a vociferous opponent of the Civil Rights Act, all those sorts of things.
He now encouraged federal legislation.
jordan holmes
If only he had found out his fucking grandson was black, Christ, we could have had everything.
dan friesen
Do you understand how fucking stupid these people are?
I do, Dan.
jordan holmes
Dan, I intimately understand how fucking stupid these people are.
dan friesen
Their principled positions.
jordan holmes
I was born with them.
dan friesen
Their principled positions evaporate once it's like, oh, my God.
Oh, it affects me?
jordan holmes
It affects me personally.
dan friesen
Which I'm still glad that he got there eventually, but I wish that he would be.
I wish he'd have the wherewithal to when it would have made a difference.
Like in the 60s, he could have made a difference.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but if his kid was gay in the 60s while he was in office, he still would have been anti-gay.
dan friesen
You bet.
That's a problem.
jordan holmes
That's the fucking guys.
dan friesen
So anyway, Barry Goldwater died in 1998, and he had his ashes scattered on the Colorado River.
That's all he had.
jordan holmes
He had his ashes scattered on the Colorado.
I was hoping it would be an Olympic-sized swimming pool.
dan friesen
Nope.
The Colorado River is a fitting place for his ashes because I forgot to tell you this.
In 1940, Barry became the 71st person on record to ever travel the full length of the Colorado River.
jordan holmes
Damn it, Barry Goldwater.
Who are you?
He's crazy.
Who are you?
He's crazy.
dan friesen
I mean, beyond that, he also is responsible for a lot of this stupid anti-communist propaganda.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Because he's such a small part of this documentary, I'd rather celebrate the craziness of him because it's way more fun.
Anyway, rest in peace, Barry Goldwater, you crazy son of a bitch.
alex jones
Bilderberg issues executive decisions and prime directives to its sub-directors for implementation.
The trial.
dan friesen
He just said that sentence doesn't mean I don't know.
jordan holmes
I didn't understand how to define your terms.
I don't understand what any of those words mean in relation to each other.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Or outside of each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Bilderberg group agenda and executes it through regional roundtable groups throughout Europe, Asia, and the Americas.
The Council on Foreign Relations serves as the managing roundtable group in the United States sector.
dan friesen
See, this is an attempt to explain it, but it doesn't.
alex jones
The Council on Foreign Relations has dominated every administration since the days of FDR.
dan friesen
So there's Alex's sort of claim of everybody since FDR has been controlled by these people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Even JFK.
dan friesen
My problem here.
jordan holmes
Which is why they killed him.
dan friesen
See, that's a problem.
jordan holmes
Because he was too crazy.
dan friesen
Alex's timeline makes it seem that FDR would be controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas Webster Tarpleys would be like he was free.
He was the last real president.
Right.
jordan holmes
And also, Alex himself said earlier on in the documentary he was the last real president.
dan friesen
Or a real president can still be controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations.
Maybe.
I mean, that's implied by their language.
Also, man, fucking.
Okay, so FDR came into office in 1932.
The Council on Foreign Relations was started in 1921.
So this implies that there was a good 11 years where they're just like, we can't do that yet.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
They came together as an evil group, but it took them 11 years to be able to.
jordan holmes
They were in the planning stage.
dan friesen
You've got to get the kinks.
jordan holmes
No, you do pre-planning, you do a couple of test runs, and then you're ready.
dan friesen
So that means that, so, I mean, like, Warren G. Harding.
jordan holmes
I mean, it takes six years just to get catering set up.
dan friesen
Harding was elected in 1920, so maybe the CFR wasn't implied.
But then after him, you know, you had Coolidge.
You know, Coolidge.
jordan holmes
He was great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Coolidge was famous for being a shitty president.
dan friesen
Well, no, actually, Coolidge took over because Warren G. Harding had a heart attack.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Coolidge took over.
So the CFR probably had nothing to do with that, unless they caused the heart attack that killed Warren G. Harding.
Possibly.
Which is possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You can inject.
They had things to cause heart attacks back then.
Blowdarts?
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Blowdarts have been the last great tool of the globalists.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So they killed Warren G. Harding and then got Coolidge in charge, which I guess that's probably what they did.
But that doesn't really make sense because Coolidge is remembered as a small government conservative, someone who just was entirely into laissez-faire international politics.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Coolidge set up the conditions for the Great Depression.
dan friesen
Oh, you bet.
jordan holmes
And then Hoover knocked him down, man.
dan friesen
He did a terrible job.
But yeah, Coolidge deserves a lot more of the blame for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they should have been called Coolidgeville's, but that's not as good as Hooverville.
dan friesen
So then he took over for Harding, but then in 1924, three years after the CFR comes together, they probably got their shit working by now.
You would hope.
unidentified
But then the Great Depression comes, not in 1924.
dan friesen
You'd think they'd be able to control that election by then.
But then Calvin Coolidge, a laissez-faire, small government type, ends up winning in 1924, too.
So I guess they didn't control that election.
And then Hoover wins in 1928.
But he didn't want to use federal funding to help with the increasing problem that was happening with.
I don't know.
I'm just trying to make sense of this.
And it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Here's my angle for you, all right?
They orchestrated that in order to create the crisis necessary to do the shit that they wanted to do, which was elect FDR in order to create the New Deal and usher in 40 years of pretty sustained economic growth.
dan friesen
And Glassdoor.
And then the globe that works against the interests of the bankers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was past while the guy FDR was in office.
I mean, the reason that we ended up not having nearly as many financial crashes since the Great Depression onward, a large part of that was regulation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
By regulation's bad.
dan friesen
But it was put in generally by FDR, who was supposed to be the guy that the CFR and the globalists put in.
I don't understand any of this.
jordan holmes
No, that doesn't make sense.
No.
The only thing that makes sense is everything that Alex says is wrong.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
webster tarpley
The way in which they make policy and rule is that they are a polycentric oligarchical system.
You have to be a finance oligarch.
Remember, this is not a problem.
jordan holmes
Does that mean they marry multiple people?
webster tarpley
Not by priests, not by bureaucrats, not by demagogues, none of those, but by bankers.
Bankers rule, and the bankers set up these institutions.
They set up things modeled on the Royal Institute for International Affairs, Chatham House, and the Milner Roundtable of the period right after the Boer War.
dan friesen
So this is the same.
jordan holmes
So here's my favorite thing.
dan friesen
That all is still just taken from misrepresentations of quickly.
jordan holmes
I know, but when he gave specifics, I was like, the moment this list is done, Dana's going to pause this.
I was like, oh, shit.
Now we're going to get some information.
dan friesen
I'm showing my hand a little bit too much.
So, I mean, this is Webster Tarpley saying, you know, just after Alex rambles about the CFR, he's saying this sort of stuff.
So, I mean, pronoun reference would dictate that he must be talking about the CFR, but I mean, you'd think.
So he's saying that the CFR isn't run by generals, priests, bureaucrats, or demagogues, but by bankers.
The CFR's membership roles are public.
And, my friend, they're not even close to all bankers.
jordan holmes
All right, let's see.
dan friesen
Just a few names you might recognize who are Council on Foreign Relations members who are not bankers.
jordan holmes
Dave Mustane.
dan friesen
Tom Brokoff.
Colin Powell.
Warren Beatty.
Jimmy Carter.
George Clooney.
Jesse Dylan.
That's Bob Dylan's son who directed How High.
Sander Day O'Connor.
Priscilla Presley.
Alex's beloved William F. Buckley.
Ted Cruz's wife Heidi.
Carl Sagan.
And of course, let's not forget Alex's good buddy and manners coach, Steve Pieczenik.
These are all people who are members or have been members of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Like, it's not something that's run by bankers.
There's thousands of members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and while some of them are in banking or in finance, great majority of them aren't.
If Webster Tarpley is not talking about the CFR, this documentary is a serious problem with editing.
jordan holmes
I bet some of them are generals and the entire list of people that he's sure there are those on there too.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
webster tarpley
Even before World War I, you had the British setting up these roundtables institutes with publications and conferences, and this is how they make policy.
alex jones
Upon Obama's inauguration, members of the Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, and CFR flooded into every position of power in the executive branch, replacing Trilateral Commission and CFR members who previously filled the positions during the Bush administration.
dan friesen
As I said earlier, there's no such thing as a member of the Bilderberg group as much as there is a member of the steering committee, which those you can find out who those people are.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex is saying that all these people flooded in.
Of the 22 members of his cabinet, only five of them, Alex's people were CFR members.
You got Robert Gates, who's a holdover from Bush, Eric Shinsecki, Susan Rice, Janet Politano, and Tim Geithner.
Those are the only people who had any relation with the CFR that I can find.
Right.
In terms of the Trilateral Commission, there's a number of people who were former members, but they left when they got into public service, which we'll get into here in a little bit.
But in terms of Bush's outgoing cabinet, you had Condoleezza Rice, Henry Paulson, Robert Gates, Elaine Chow.
That's about all I can find in terms of the CFR membership roles.
But it appears that at the end of Bush's term, there were four CFR members in his cabinet.
And when Obama came in, there were five.
And there were people in different positions.
It's not like one member replaced another.
It doesn't really seem all that suspicious.
It doesn't.
I don't know.
It just doesn't mean anything to me.
jordan holmes
It doesn't mean anything to anyone.
Except for people who have, I think he might have some sort of weird paranoia.
Could, could.
He might be.
He might be gold watering right now.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
webster tarpley
When you look at the U.S. ruling class, you'd have to say that they're a really pathetic bunch of failures and bunglers.
dan friesen
Get their ass.
webster tarpley
Miserable excuse for a ruling class.
One of the big problems we have is you go from Clinton to Bush to Obama.
What stays the same is the ruling elite that gives these puppets the orders that they act on.
And these orders are wrong-headed, let's say, to say the least.
They're basically bankrupt.
They're going to lead to the collapse of this civilization.
What they're doing is using the existence of the United States as a formerly powerful nation-state to act out their Wall Street fantasies of world domination and maintaining their capital structures and maintaining their system of looting.
And this can't be done.
So the basic question is, they've hijacked our country, and you've got to take it back from them.
You've got to drive Wall Street out of the government, and at that point, you'd have a reasonable chance of getting back to prosperity and some kind of peace and order in international affairs.
dan friesen
A lot of the stuff they say has a kernel of like, yeah, in it.
But it still would be true if you take it outside of the conspiratorial sort of framework.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they don't offer any found like real solutions to anything.
They're just like, oh, look at all these evil fucks.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
But that's the whole plan.
jordan holmes
The plan is to make the problem seem so insurmountable that there's no point in doing anything.
webster tarpley
Right.
jordan holmes
Their plan is to paralyze people.
If you deal with it.
dan friesen
Sell gold.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Guns.
jordan holmes
If you deal with the reality of the awfulness of it, of like, look, Tim Geithner is a giant piece of shit.
And yes, bankers have far more outsized control over everything than they should.
We don't need to take our country back from them.
We need to remove the level of influence they have.
They should still have some influence because that's part of our fucking system.
And so it's important to make sure that there's everybody going on.
But if you did that, if you explained that, then it'd be like, well, let's all participate in the political process and let's all vote and let's all do all this shit and let's get money out of politics.
But they can't do that shit because that would fuck with their ability to sell gold.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's super unsatisfying to live in a place where you're like, well, because things in the past that we can't control, sometimes we have to make really unsatisfying decisions.
Sometimes you want to be like, hey, all these bankers should have no fucking control over anything.
We should send them all to prison.
But in reality, in order for everybody to be better off, sometimes you do have to make compromises like the bailout bill.
Though I will say that that should have been handled a little bit better.
jordan holmes
Way better.
dan friesen
There's a lot of complaints to be made, but the idea.
jordan holmes
Some of them should have gone to jail, but not all of them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there.
jordan holmes
At least somebody should have gone to jail.
dan friesen
There are things that sometimes to work towards the greater good of everybody, you have to say, like, ah, man, I don't want to do that, but well, you got to do it.
Got to do it.
And that's not something that exists within the vocabulary of Alex Jones, Infowars, and all of these ding-dongs.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Speaking of ding-dongs, look at this guy.
jordan holmes
Who is this fucking guy?
dan friesen
This is a new guy.
jordan holmes
His mullet is starting the day off.
unidentified
What do you want to name this guy?
dan friesen
Let's see how close you can get to his real name.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Business Werewolf.
alex jones
Not even close.
dan friesen
Not even close.
jordan holmes
No, not right.
dan friesen
We've actually heard him on the Alex Jones show or normal podcast before.
This is now his first appearance on the documentary.
alex jones
Had a chance to speak with economist and author George Humphrey.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck you.
george humphrey
A power elite.
jordan holmes
This dude is aware economists or historians.
You're nothing.
You can't even.
george humphrey
You're a member of their club unless you're a multi-billionaire.
And friends, this is not about rich versus poor.
This is about a very, very small handful of the worst criminal element on this planet.
dan friesen
Fine.
I would say that I looked into this, and I don't think that George Humphrey's credentials are entirely made up.
He calls himself an economist, and to his credit, I found that he did graduate from the University of Houston with a degree in economics in 1972.
So he has at least a foundation of education in economics.
He'd go on to move to Austin, where, according to his bio, he owned a housing renovation company, then an importing operation, then a clothing store.
unidentified
Weird set of strings.
jordan holmes
Were they all the same store?
dan friesen
I have no idea.
This is just on this bio.
I don't know.
I don't know what stretch of time that was over.
Those are a lot of different skills, different businesses that are involved.
No idea.
Then, from 1985 to 1990, Humphrey served on the Austin City Council.
He ran for office and was on the city council.
After losing a re-election bid in 1990, he left politics behind and founded George Humphrey Productions, a film company that it appears that they've only put out one film.
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't appear to be that much of business.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with anybody who has that many varied business interests.
All of them, I assume, failed.
dan friesen
That importing business?
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with maybe instead of being interested in entrepreneurship, hiding money from the IRS.
dan friesen
I don't know what import business you're running in Austin.
The import.
jordan holmes
It's a new import business.
unidentified
It's not on the other places.
dan friesen
It's not like there's docks.
jordan holmes
Look, look.
dan friesen
There's not a port.
jordan holmes
Look, it's not on the border.
If I go to my hometown and I pick up some corn, I'm importing it back to Chicago, buddy.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
You have proven yourself correct and myself wrong.
I'm going to give a written apology to George Humphrey.
jordan holmes
I don't think you need to do that.
dan friesen
As for him being an author, the only books I could really find on Amazon written by George Humphrey, they're all algebra textbooks that appear to only be used in Ireland.
I get the sense that that's a different George Humphrey.
So at Press Time, I can find no real evidence that he is a published author.
Though there is one book that looks like it was written by him.
And that is a companion book that goes along with a DVD that George Humphrey put out called, quote, 9-11, The Great Illusion, Endgame of the Illuminati.
Our choice, fear, or love, question mark.
jordan holmes
Subtotales.
Jesus, dude.
dan friesen
Unwieldy.
According to Amazon, there's a review on Amazon from a guy who definitely believes 9-11 was an inside job, but thinks that Humphrey's film is full of shit and factual inaccuracies.
He apparently got the flight number of one of the planes at 9-11 wrong.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
He gets the name of the CIA director on 9-11 wrong, along with tons of other problems.
The reviewer says, quote, this is without a doubt one of the worst 9-11 truth DVDs out there.
I brought all these factual inaccuracies to Humphrey's attention in 2005 only to get a rude letter of scorn in response.
Way to go, George.
So it seems like that's sort of his past.
jordan holmes
See, you know what?
The Twin Towers are actually still standing right now.
9-11 never even happened.
It's a great illusion.
dan friesen
So we got a short stint on the Austin City Council.
Weird business history.
Film production company that is very unI can't figure out what's going on with it.
Bad 9-11 documentary.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Perfect resume.
jordan holmes
He's doing great.
dan friesen
Perfect Alex Jones resume.
jordan holmes
And not to be somebody's dad in the 60s, but dude, cut your hair.
dan friesen
You think so?
jordan holmes
It looks terrible.
dan friesen
It's got the sideburns and checks.
jordan holmes
No, it looks.
Look, he looks like he has a normal haircut and then emerging from the backer hair extension.
dan friesen
It is a little bit.
jordan holmes
It's gray.
dan friesen
He's grayish and a little bit too good on the back.
jordan holmes
Horrific.
dan friesen
You're really into people's appearance today.
jordan holmes
I don't know why.
Well, okay.
Here's the thing.
On this show, because it's 99% audio, I never get to criticize people's appearance.
Now we're watching a documentary and I can see what all these assholes look like.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
jordan holmes
You guys have it coming.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a fair point.
All right, fine.
Fair enough.
george humphrey
Manipulating and destroying the good people of this nation and of this world about this Obama with change.
unidentified
Look at the people he's put in to see.
jordan holmes
Celenti doesn't need a haircut.
He looks exactly like he should.
dan friesen
No.
gerald celente
Larry Summers.
I love it.
Every time they talk about Larry Summers.
dan friesen
That's not a nice picture of him.
gerald celente
He's another brilliant one.
jordan holmes
They could have used a better Instagram filter.
gerald celente
...dismantle the Glass-Steagall Act, the banking act that was put in place in the 1930s.
So the banks...
alex jones
Buy FDR.
unidentified
The one that Alex hates so much and supported the gutting of in the 1990s.
dan friesen
So, real quick, just about that.
I have some pretty conflicted feelings about Larry Summers, Lawrence Summers.
Like, yes, he absolutely was instrumental in helping take apart the regulations of the Glass-Steagall Act that didn't allow banks to work in concert as multiple varieties of banking institutions.
But he also, after the fact, realized that he fucked up.
Like, he did say, it was bad.
I shouldn't have done that.
We were working on the wrong kind of information.
He paraphrased John Maynard Keynes when he said about it, when circumstances change, I changed my opinion.
Which to me does indicate someone who has wrestled with the idea that they did something wrong.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then when he joined the Obama administration, certainly not everything he did was great, but he was a big part of helping push the policies that did end up fixing the problem that he had a part in starting.
I'm not saying this is a hero story at all.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
But they aren't willing to go halfway and say, like, all right, you did after the fact, after the damage was done, you were a part of helping fix it.
jordan holmes
Look, elected officials are going to be deceived because, generally speaking, our elected officials are not the intellectual powerhouses that we might want them to be.
No.
So he's got a massive, massive lobbying campaign with very, very smart people trying to deceive him and finding the little places where he's vulnerable and convincing him otherwise.
I get that.
It happens.
dan friesen
Sure.
So anyway, we're about to get into something a little complicated.
webster tarpley
You had the beginning of the derivatives bubble, thanks to people like Alexander.
jordan holmes
You purchase a DVD copy of the Obama discussion at Infowars.com.
webster tarpley
In the Obama administration.
And the derivatives, I think, are the centerpiece of this entire problem today.
gerald celente
These are the same people.
jordan holmes
Are we talking about the CFR still?
dan friesen
I don't know.
They seem to shift around on top of this.
jordan holmes
I don't think we're talking about them at all.
I think we're talking about...
dan friesen
So in order to understand derivatives, we can't explain that on this show.
The nature of derivatives and how they work.
It's a very complicated thing.
But suffice it to say, on a baseline level, I think Tarpley is fairly correct.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In terms of saying that a lot of the deregulation of the derivatives market did have, it played a very big part in what happened in the late 2000s.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I think that that's fair.
But I only say that, assuming that what he's advocating for is greater regulation of the derivatives.
jordan holmes
He's not doing that.
dan friesen
But I don't think he is.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
This is an Alex Jones documentary, and he fucking hates government regulations.
I don't really know what to think.
If a deregulated derivatives market is the cause of all these problems, then wouldn't it stand to reason that more regulation on that market is the solution?
Or would you say you're not allowed?
The government should say you're not allowed to trade in derivatives.
Now you've got a government dictating what the market is.
jordan holmes
Massive regulation.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
I don't think that's.
jordan holmes
It doesn't get more regulation than you're not allowed to do this by law.
dan friesen
My point on that is that, like, I kind of agree with Tarpley's analysis that this is a big part of the problem.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But I don't know what his solution to that problem is because it's never spelled out in this documentary.
So I don't know how much I can go on board with him.
Because it doesn't feel like that's what he says.
jordan holmes
But you can't prescribe, you can recognize a problem and you can recognize that the solution is something that you are ideologically opposed to, but you then can't prescribe that solution.
So you can only recognize the problem.
gerald celente
Now we have the U.S. Treasury Secretary, who also is a Robert Rubin protégé of the Larry Tim Geithner on screen.
jordan holmes
Be in short.
gerald celente
He's going to dismantle Glass Steagel and broke apart the regulations that would have prohibited the banks.
dan friesen
He's supposed to hate regulations.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't understand.
unidentified
He was the first of the New York Federal Reserve.
dan friesen
He was.
gerald celente
And now he's actually Treasury Secretary.
dan friesen
So what?
gerald celente
As we all know.
jordan holmes
Well, he's a bad dude.
gerald celente
The Federal Reserve is as federal as Federal Express.
dan friesen
I don't understand what he's saying.
jordan holmes
So he's saying that it's a private business.
I got it.
gerald celente
And now we've got this guy in charge of it.
dan friesen
So this is such a catchphrase.
The Federal Reserve.
jordan holmes
The Federal Express.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I got it.
dan friesen
It's a catchphrase that anti-Federal Reserve propagandists have cooked up, and admittedly, it's fucking catchy.
jordan holmes
It's catchy as shit.
dan friesen
The problem is, it's not true.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course not, but it's catchy, man.
dan friesen
So, this is a little complicated, but I think it's very important to understand the nature of the Federal Reserve as we go forward in this documentary.
And since Gerald Celenti brought up the it's as federal as Federal Express, it's the best time to do it.
So, the Federal Reserve, it's not a private bank in the way that Alex and his crew present it.
It's a public bank that holds private assets.
To understand exactly what the issue is here, it's essential that we understand what the structure of the Federal Reserve actually looks like.
The Federal Reserve is run by their Board of Governors, each of whom is appointed by the President of the United States, who are then required to be confirmed by the Senate.
They serve terms and can be reappointed or not.
So, on a very basic level, they're accountable to the government.
It's not a feature of any private company in this country that they would have that sort of structure.
jordan holmes
No, don't you remember how the president appointed Mark Zuckerberg to be president of Facebook?
dan friesen
Right, right.
That doesn't exist anywhere else.
jordan holmes
And then in four years, they will either re-up or appoint somebody new to head Facebook, right?
Yeah.
It's a private business that's as federal as the Federal Express.
dan friesen
Every company's CEO is required to be confirmed by the Senate.
jordan holmes
Man, that actually might not be a terrible idea.
dan friesen
So each of the 12 Federal Reserve.
jordan holmes
Actually, that's a terrible idea.
That's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Each of the 12 Federal Reserve banks are owned, in quotes, by commercial banks in the region they're located in.
Basically, they're stockholders in these Federal Reserve banks.
According to Investopedia, quote, an important distinction to make is that while these member banks are considered owners of the Fed, they don't have many of the usual rights of stockholders.
Member banks, for example, are required to hold 6% of their capital as stock in their reserve bank.
But by law, their dividend return on this investment is fixed at 6%.
It can't be higher than that.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
dan friesen
Right.
Furthermore, that stock may not be sold or pledged as collateral for loans.
It's specifically held there.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
dan friesen
The Board of Governors and the Federal Open Market Committee are the two main bodies of the Federal Reserve.
The board is made up of the seven people appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.
The Open Market Committee is made up of these same seven board members and five of the heads of the 12 Federal Reserve Banks.
In essence, the balance of power always is in the hands of the seven government-appointed governors who can outvote the heads of the regional banks if there is a friction between the two.
jordan holmes
Query.
Yes.
In my capacity as an InfoWars reporter, I must ask you this question.
Are they all Jews?
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
No, boy.
dan friesen
That's my response as a respondent.
So also, the Federal Reserve Banks don't rely on tax dollars to operate.
Their budget is comprised of interest earned on the Fed's portfolio and interest on loans to depository institutions.
However, they can't really make that much money because, quote, any excess earnings must be transferred to the U.S. Treasury.
During 2018, for example, the income of the Reserve Banks amounted to about $35.5 billion, of which $31.7 billion, or 89%, was transferred immediately to the U.S. Treasury.
That, again, is a feature that does not exist with any other private for-profit business.
jordan holmes
So essentially, it is for-profit.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
However, in practice, it is massively non-profit.
dan friesen
Yes.
It can't make a profit that isn't then taken to Treasury.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's a non-profit for-profit company.
dan friesen
It's super complicated why this exists in the structure that it does, but there are reasons.
There's specific.
jordan holmes
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
I mean, like, it makes so much sense why people blanket hate the Fed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because while you're exploring.
dan friesen
It's very easy to do.
jordan holmes
Because while you're explaining this, I am going through this and I'm like, okay, okay, okay.
But there's that part of me in the back of my head that's like, I want to stop listening to you now.
Right, it's boring.
I want to be like, boo, no, or yay, but this is a massively complicated system.
Right.
dan friesen
But it's fairly easy to understand if you actually look at it.
It's not that hard.
It's only hard to understand if you look at it through the prism of a solely private, solely public business.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And when you say private and public, we're talking about the sectors, whether it's run by the government or run by business.
So also, the Federal Reserve is subject to exhaustive government oversight.
They're required to release their balance sheets on a weekly basis.
The Government Accountability Office conducts multiple reviews of their operations every year.
And every year, an outside, unbiased auditor selected by the Office of the Inspector General does an audit of all their books.
jordan holmes
The Inspector General actually is Inspecta Deck right now.
dan friesen
is true uh i was trying to find a way to reference the fact that he and i both have a cross eye and i'm excited about it yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We'll get there eventually.
This is a long documentary.
dan friesen
But none of that stuff with the audits and stuff like that, that's not a feature of anything that you would ever see in a private business.
It exists because of the private-public intersection that the Federal Reserve exists in.
All of this is to say that no, the Federal Reserve is substantially more federal than Federal Express.
This is just empty propaganda and a catchphrase that allows people to indoctrinate impressionable people who don't understand the complexity of the public-private nature of the Federal Reserve and why it has to be that way to function.
If it were to be entirely private, the bank would have no reason to act with not to act with complete impunity and plunder the fucking country.
If they were entirely public, the entire Federal Reserve system could be compromised way too easily by a president or political party by packing all the Federal Reserve Bank with loyalty, all of the 12 banks with loyalties.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's a delicate balance.
And when properly regulated and with appropriate oversight applied, it does work pretty well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, when you deregulate things, come on.
jordan holmes
Regulation is bad all the time.
Blanket statement is.
dan friesen
Well, because when you start to deregulate it, it starts to act more closely to an entirely private business, which the worry of that is that they will start acting with impunity and not in the public's best interest.
And that's what we see.
That's why there is these really negative effects.
jordan holmes
A bank without regulation is essentially a pirate enterprise.
dan friesen
There's no reason for them not to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It is the East India Tea Company.
When you get down to unfettered, pure capitalism, they will travel around the world and pillage and plunder and fuck if they won't kill people for it.
dan friesen
Well, when you have this bank that's responsible for setting interest rates and stuff like that, it has to be apolitical because otherwise it could be at the whim of the and that's why that power has to be slightly external to the like Treasury Department.
For instance.
Because if it weren't, then the president could just say, hey, Treasury Secretary, inflate the economy.
jordan holmes
For instance, if you had a president of the United States, if you had a president who was blatantly in violation of the emoluments clause, he might direct the Federal Reserve to adjust an interest rate to whatever benefits his businesses the most.
dan friesen
Right, right.
There is that fear.
Yeah.
If it were a wholly public institution.
Like, I understand why people hate the Federal Reserve.
I get it.
unidentified
I get.
dan friesen
Well, no, I don't.
Well, I do.
I get why some people are uncomfortable with it because it does seem like this big, shadowy organization does it that way.
And I think that intense regulation and oversight is required for it to function.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But I don't, like, the complaints that Alex Jones makes about it and all the people in this documentary make about it, we can look into what they say and how it works, and you can just see it's not true.
Like, it's absolutely, they're just lying about it to demonize it.
And there are real complaints you can make.
And so when you make fake complaints, that means to me, your argument is weak.
jordan holmes
But I see why people hate it.
And it's the same reason people hate fucking calculus.
It's complicated.
Trying to understand it makes you angry.
dan friesen
Well, like you just experienced.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
No.
I mean, I jokingly.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, as I follow along with this, it all starts to turn into a picture that I understand.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I never looked into it before.
dan friesen
The first thing two steps are frustrating as hell, and then on the third step, you're like, oh.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Oh, okay.
So then, and you make the logical connection yourself after those couple of steps where you're like, oh, okay, so you do this because this, and this protects against this, and that, and then the whole puzzle starts to come into shape.
But if you get angry after two steps, like the second page of Google, I would even argue that maybe 99.9% of the fucking world never goes to the second page of Google.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Then, of course, you're going to be like, well, the Fed is evil.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because it's hard to understand.
dan friesen
It feels good.
It feels good to yell the Fed is unevil.
jordan holmes
People hate things that are hard to understand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But at the same time, while we're saying all this stuff and why the system makes sense and all that, that doesn't mean that it's spotless history.
No, But that's a whole different conversation.
jordan holmes
As vigilant as you can be, there are so many opposing forces within our government.
How many times have we seen the Fed regulated more and then regulated less?
And then regulated more and then regulated less and that whole thing.
dan friesen
By the way, I went to the Fed's, like the Federal Reserve's website, and I found their balance sheets.
jordan holmes
I was really hoping that you would suddenly surprise me with like, by the way, on Tuesday, I went to the Fed.
dan friesen
I was made chairman.
And that's why I have these great things to say about.
No.
I went to their website, and it's really awesome.
It's navigatable.
You can find so much information.
I found their balance sheets.
It was dated the day I looked at them.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Like, it was to the day.
jordan holmes
These fucking guys.
dan friesen
And it was very easy to find.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
dan friesen
It's updated regularly because they have to.
jordan holmes
So you can literally audit the Fed yourself right now.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you wouldn't be able to be able to look at the physical dollars they have on hand or yes.
You can look at their balance sheets and be like, okay.
You can track trends.
You can do any of that shit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So from here on out, here is the simplest thing that we do.
If somebody says, like, oh, I hate the Fed.
It's evil.
Right.
You just ask, have you been to their website?
Well, and whatever question you may have, I've been into their website shirts bar.
dan friesen
I'm not sure it proves they're not evil to those people.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I'm not saying that we are talking about good or evil at this point.
I'm just asking, have you been to their website?
Because if you haven't, then you don't know all that information.
Exactly.
If you haven't even looked at it, you're fuck off.
We're not going to have a conversation where you haven't even looked into it.
dan friesen
Here's the feeling that I have.
And I should come out of the closet a little bit about this.
I'm pro-Federal Reserve.
I think it does a very important service to our economy.
jordan holmes
I mean, just based on historically alone, how many massive crashes did we have before this?
dan friesen
We'll get into that later.
jordan holmes
How many massive crashes do we have after the Federal Reserve?
What are the massive crashes caused after the Federal Reserve?
Etc.
dan friesen
Right.
It's very easy to track, and you can tell all that.
Yeah, I think it's a very positive influence.
But even having that said, I go into Alex Jones' documentary, The Obama Deception.
And anytime I listen to it, and if he has an argument that's specific, I'm willing to listen to it.
Like in this case, Gerald Salenti saying it's as federal as Federal Express.
That is something I can look into.
And if I looked into it and I found, oh my God, it is an entirely private company.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I have no bones about telling you that.
I have no bones about coming out here on the podcast and saying, like, holy shit, Salenti is right.
This is fucked up.
Because that would be fucked up.
jordan holmes
That would be fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you had an entirely private for-profit company that was setting interest rates and all the other financial responsibilities that they have, like the money supply.
Yeah.
I would be like, hey, guys, bad news.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
We need to end the Fed.
jordan holmes
Right.
Especially since we are chroniclers of fucked up shit.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
Like, I'm fine with fucked up shit coming from anywhere, man.
It just turns out that so much of the fucked up shit they're saying is not true and blatantly trying to fuck over people.
dan friesen
Yep.
Anyway.
Hey, everybody, Dan here.
That is where we are going to have to cut things off for today.
But it's a very exciting episode, I believe.
I think.
I don't know.
Maybe it's wrong of me to say.
I'm kind of a biased source of information.
I always love to tell people about how Barry Goldwater created those underpants.
That's always, you know, if we were doing this documentary and that was the only thing I got to tell people about, I think it would be worth it just to tell you about the weird, weird life that Barry Goldwater lived.
But yeah, it's nice to end this with just a glimpse at just how wrong Alex is on a fundamental level, just about one of his biggest issues, vis-a-vis the Federal Reserve and whether or not it's public or private as a business.
So that's nice.
And that should, I really think that that's something very important for us to all carry with us.
When we understand that sort of thing, you really start to understand what is the underpinning of so many of Alex Jones' beliefs.
And when you realize that that is what's underneath it, something that is a fundamental elementary misunderstanding, it really starts to make things look a little sadder than the sadder or more nefarious.
Maybe both.
Anyway, thank you all for listening.
We'll be back tomorrow with part three.
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Anyway, guys, we thank you so much.
We'll be back tomorrow.
But until then, I don't know.
Let's see.
Let me see if I can come up off the top of my head with someone who has not killed anybody.
Ah, I was watching Survivor series the other night.
WWE Survivor Series and Braun Strowman.
That guy is a monster among men.
He's a big old hoss of a man, but he has never killed anybody.
I don't think he's even killed anybody in Kayfabe.
I'm certain as a human, the guy who portrays the character of Braun Strowman has never killed anybody.
But there is one guy who technically probably may have killed somebody, and that is Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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