Today, Dan and Jordan go into the past to see what Alex Jones was up to back in 2009. On this installment, the gents discuss how truth can't really penetrate propaganda, and find an unexpected but ultimately predictable entry point for Alex Jones into the Tea Party.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Hey. | ||
| What was the last day you remember where we didn't see a hate crime? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, this is getting, I know that this is the wrong take on it, and this isn't my take on it, but it is getting exhausting. | ||
| Every day waking up in a new, like, just human moral travesty sitting in front of our laps. | ||
| It's really, I'm starting to realize, like, I can't wake up and immediately look at the world. | ||
| I need to start a new routine where I do something else. | ||
| So I'm trying to initiate like a just wake up and exercise or something like that. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Something other to get my mind in a more stable position before I'm like, good God. | ||
| It just feels like the day after day thing where it's like... | ||
| This big thing happens, and then the next day it's another thing. | ||
| It feels like the dam is about to break on this shit. | ||
| And it's just hard. | ||
| And any of the things that we're experiencing here in the last, let's say, week, any of them would be bad any time. | ||
| It's not like it's just unique to the time we're in right now. | ||
| That shooting at the synagogue would have been awful three years ago. | ||
| It would have been awful at any time. | ||
| People getting bombs sent to them would be terrible any time. | ||
| It's hard to deal with, and I feel for everyone in the world who has to experience all this stuff. | ||
| But this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| And before we get into today's show, I'd like to give a shout-out to a good buddy, Kevin Hogan. | ||
| Went out with him the other night, went over to Bud Long's Nashville Hot Chicken. | ||
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Delicious! | |
| This little edition of The Spice Report, something from my old podcast where I would go and eat really spicy foods and come report back to the audience about it. | ||
| I went and I tested myself with their secret level. | ||
| They have a secret level? | ||
| They have a secret spicy level. | ||
| Well, why didn't I know about this? | ||
| I would never have touched it. | ||
| I just like to know things. | ||
| It's hotter than extra hot. | ||
| It's hotter than extra hot! | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| How hot is that? | ||
| Super hot? | ||
| I had the extra hot the last time I went and I found it lacking. | ||
| So I went and I tried the secret, the secret hot. | ||
| And I'd like to report back to everyone, no big deal. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| It turns out it's a ghost pepper situation. | ||
| You eat ghost peppers for breakfast. | ||
| Not generally, usually Serrano's. | ||
| But I realized that... | ||
| The heat of a ghost pepper, not super problematic for me, but I don't like the flavor. | ||
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Oh. | |
| So that's been the Spice Report. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. | ||
| It's all right. | ||
| It was still a nice time. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, today on the show, we have a very exciting adventure in front of us. | ||
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Yes, we do. | |
| We will be going over March 15th through 19th, 2009, which is a little answer to our prayers in as much as we've, you know, like, the last couple 2009 episodes have been one day in 2009. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| We pick up the fucking pace. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it turns. | ||
| We know we've got two years before Soros shows up in the first place. | ||
| Well, and we have the question of the Tea Party situation. | ||
| And we do know that by April 2010, he's on board with the Tea Party. | ||
| So we're almost there! | ||
| Almost. | ||
| We're inching along. | ||
| So today, the reason that we can make up a lot of time is these shows sucked. | ||
| These were nothing shows. | ||
| And one of the reasons is because at this point in 2009, Alex has been featured in an IFC documentary called The New World Order. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's premiering ostensibly at South by Southwest. | ||
| And in March... | ||
| Middle March 2009, it's South by Southwest time. | ||
| So he's gallivanting around with the filmmakers, having the filmmakers come into studio, and they're just bragging about this documentary. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Wait, so is it... | ||
| So this documentary is like a staunchly pro-Alex Jones' view of the New World Order? | ||
| The filmmakers, when they're on the show, are saying that we wanted to stay out of that. | ||
| Let the... | ||
| What do you mean you wanted to stay out of it? | ||
| Let the audience decide what's true. | ||
| We just wanted to give you a glimpse into the people who believe this, their lives. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So whatever. | ||
| I would also say, I haven't seen that documentary, but the main people who are in it are Alex Jones. | ||
| Jack McLamb, Holocaust denier Jack McLamb, and Big Jim Tucker, who writes for The Spotlight, which is a neo-Nazi publication. | ||
| Problematic. | ||
| Problematic publication. | ||
| So unless they get into some of that stuff, I don't want to see the documentary. | ||
| I think you have only scraped the surface of these dudes if you don't. | ||
| So Alex is spending a whole lot of his time with that, also promoting the Obama deception like crazy. | ||
| And so we're able to skip through a... | ||
| Good amount of this shit without going over it. | ||
| Now, let it be known, I still had to listen to all of it. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| This still represents a good 15 hours of my time or something like that that was just for nothing. | ||
| Just listening to Alex brag about the IFC. | ||
| I speak for everyone who listens to this podcast. | ||
| Thank you so much, because I wasn't going to do a goddamn minute of that. | ||
| You are welcome. | ||
| And I'm glad I did, though, because as I was going through it, I was like... | ||
| Fucking shit. | ||
| There is nothing here. | ||
| I am not doing an episode about Alex bragging about a documentary. | ||
| I'm just not doing it. | ||
| Especially not in the world we're living in in 2018. | ||
| That would be the most toothless, stupid fucking thing in the world. | ||
| And I learned an important lesson, Jordan. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| That is when the going gets rough. | ||
| Don't invade Russia in the winter. | ||
| That too. | ||
| That second lesson. | ||
| The first lesson is you have to persevere. | ||
| You have to keep pushing forward even when it looks like nothing is going right. | ||
| When it looks like you're going to end up with a deadline when Jordan's going to show up at your house and all you've got are clips of Alex being like, I'm at South by Southwest with a bullhorn having fun with the filmmakers. | ||
| Oh my god, what have I got? | ||
| I've got Richard Linklater's associate producer in studio talking about the globalists. | ||
| I don't want to do that, but you keep pushing forward. | ||
| And you're gonna strike pay dirt. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| I like the way that you set this up like I was on my way. | ||
| It takes me like 20 minutes to walk here and you just are like, Oh no! | ||
| I don't have anything! | ||
| I'm gonna make it up as I go along! | ||
| Fuck it! | ||
| We're doing it live! | ||
| You don't understand that like six hours before you get here, I have to know what we're doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because otherwise... | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But look, I hit pay dirt, and I'm glad I did. | ||
| I think I found something incredibly huge that will recontextualize almost everything about Alex Jones in 2009, and it's the product of keeping pushing forward when the going is done. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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All right. | |
| Now, that being said... | ||
| That's a big caveat right there. | ||
| Thankfully, along the way to me finding something big... | ||
| Dude, those episodes aren't all trash. | ||
| There's at least a couple of funny moments throughout them. | ||
| So here's one from March 15th, where Alex tries to get back to his story about how that chimp who tore a lady's face off was on Prozac drugs. | ||
| That chimpanzee that ripped the woman's jaw off and eyeballs out, he was on a Prozac drug. | ||
| I forget which one, but it's the same thing. | ||
| It's like a McDonald's is a Burger King, a Prozac is a Luvox. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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What? | |
| In fact, let me get the exact drug. | ||
| McDonald's is a Burger King? | ||
| Chimpanzee was on drugs. | ||
| And then just shout in my ear what the name of it is. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| I just want to give out the actual name of the, quote, antidepressant. | ||
| When it went on the inserts of those by law, it admits it causes psychotic breaks. | ||
| Oh, gee, every shooter and every chimpanzee that murders people is on these. | ||
| Just those two things. | ||
| But everything's okay. | ||
| Let's just ban the guns. | ||
| What about hippos? | ||
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Are they just naturally like that? | |
| Oh, yeah, they're real happy until they have a bad trip. | ||
| You don't trip on it. | ||
| Xanax. | ||
| Yeah, the chimpanzee was on Xanax. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| That's one of the really strong ones. | ||
| Stronger than Prozac. | ||
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Okay, thank you. | |
| I thought that, but I... | ||
| Yeah, you did think it. | ||
| Mumble your way out of that one. | ||
| Hey, bro, Xanax is not an SSRI. | ||
| Oh, it's not? | ||
| That's a Benzo, baby. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
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Is it? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, huh! | ||
| Completely different. | ||
| His argument is completely shot by his own admission. | ||
| Ah, you have a bad trip on both? | ||
| These SSRIs are causing people to become crazy, much like the chimpanzee who went out and bit a lady's face off. | ||
| It turns out he wasn't on SSRIs, he was on Xanax. | ||
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Who cares? | |
| Moving forward. | ||
| Xanax is a Taco Bell, is a Prozac, is a Pizza Hut. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| And I think Baskin Robbins is in there now? | ||
| It's funny to see Alex have the brassest of balls in trying to make his argument about shooters connected to the monkeys. | ||
| On Prozac. | ||
| Monkey wasn't on Prozac. | ||
| Yes, but my argument still stands. | ||
| Chimpanzee is an ape. | ||
| Right. | ||
| My argument still stands. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't make sense. | ||
| The chimpanzee was actually on the Today Show the next day after ripping that woman's face off to defend its actions, and it literally did say it was on Xanax. | ||
| And it said, I'm going to rehab. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then everyone forgave the chimp. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So, the 16th is trash. | ||
| It is mostly Jason Burmus hosting the show because Alex is gallivanting around with these IFC producers. | ||
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Right. | |
| Acting like a big shot Hollywood movie star. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And when Alex gets back into studio, it's when he's introducing Richard Linklater's associate producer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's kind of just like all star fuckery a little bit, and then Jason Burmus being boring as hell. | ||
| So the 16th, we can wipe it completely off our plate. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We don't have to worry about the 16th at all. | ||
| Now I should also say that the 17th is also trash. | ||
| On the 17th, that's when Alex just has the IFC producers in studio and interviews them about how great their documentary about him is. | ||
| So it's like, uh-uh, no, no. | ||
| Has he seen it? | ||
| I think they probably sent him a premiere screening or whatever. | ||
| It would have been so much better if they didn't show him the documentary at all. | ||
| It turned out to be scathing. | ||
| And it turned out to just be a bitch slapped to the face. | ||
| That would be awesome. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| Be a good prank. | ||
| Alex pranks. | ||
| So that... | ||
| That ends that segment. | ||
| That is most of the 17th. | ||
| And then Alex, at the end of the show, has one of his vaccine experts, Barbara Lowe Fisher, on the show to talk about how bad vaccines are. | ||
| We've already talked about Barbara, so we don't need to really dive too deep into her nuttiness, but it bears repeating that this is one of their big arguments. | ||
| This is one of the arguments that one of Alex Jones' vaccine experts is making, and it's a bad sign. | ||
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And I think that this is where I have a lot of trouble with this sort of greater good argument that they keep making. | |
| The argument is you don't have the right as an individual parent to make that choice for your child because if you don't make the choice that the government says you need to make, in this case, get vaccinated, you put your neighbor's child at risk. | ||
| I've always said if the vaccines are as effective as the companies have said they are, then... | ||
| Then the vaccinated should have nothing to fear from those who choose not to get vaccinated. | ||
| How dumb do they think the public is? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They go, yo, you've got to take it because my kid will get sick from you. | ||
| Well, wait, I thought you took it all. | ||
| I thought you're protected. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, we really have to stop believing in myths and misinformation, and we have to get the information. | |
| Wipeout. | ||
| That's terrible, man. | ||
| If your vaccine expert is coming at you with the argument that, hey, if everybody is vaccinated, they shouldn't have anything to fear for people not being vaccinated. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| You haven't done cursory research about how a lot of people can't get vaccinated because of allergies or underlying conditions that they may have. | ||
| All of these things lead to you not being able to be vaccinated. | ||
| So, like, the idea isn't just that, like... | ||
| It's not like, I have vaccines, so I'm afraid of you not having vaccines. | ||
| It's a public health situation because there's a large segment of the population who just can't get vaccinated and want to. | ||
| And if you follow her argument to its logical conclusion, then as a person who is vaccinated, I just get to watch wide swaths of children die as they spread the disease back and forth to each other while I am immune to it. | ||
| That's a dumb argument. | ||
| It's real, not great. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's pretty bad. | ||
| So, that's about all we need to talk about on the 17th. | ||
| Like I said, the show's shit. | ||
| 16th and 17th, low point in my Alex Jones listening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, legitimately. | ||
| I have very rarely... | ||
| We almost ended the show. | ||
| That's how bad those two were. | ||
| I don't know about ending the show, but I have not come that close to flirting with despair. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I saw no end in sight. | ||
| It kept happening. | ||
| He kept talking about these documentaries. | ||
| How'd the 18th go? | ||
| The 18th is a little bit better. | ||
| Now, the 18th is a really interesting time in the Alex Jones show because he starts out the broadcast by talking about how he's going to be simulcasting with Judge Andrew Napolitano. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| On his Fox radio show. | ||
| Oh, that's super not good. | ||
| So it is bad, and the two of them have a very bad interview. | ||
| And it's mostly Alex trying to get in plugs for the Obama Deceptor. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| But before they get to their interview, Alex decides to just... | ||
| Sacrifice his own show for the sake of Andrew Napolitano's. | ||
| Okay, we're going to be simulcasting here in just a minute or so with Andrew Napolitano's show, Judge Napolitano. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and throw up the Fox audio right now from their show and wait until he goes to me. | ||
| I'm going to let him run the show. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| Long pause. | ||
| Okay, well, we're waiting for my guys to send me that... | ||
| I'm not going to it for about ten minutes. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| We've got audio now. | ||
| I'm just going to wait for Fox. | ||
| Fox, I'm here, and I'm just running the judges' show right now as you guys get ready to go live there as well. | ||
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My face is at an angle. | |
| This is unfair shit! | ||
| He's just listening to them do pre-show! | ||
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This is a rare trait. | |
| It is not a treat! | ||
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Alex Jones is a piece of shit. | |
| Who said that? | ||
| Who said that? | ||
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He looks a little squeezed. | |
| That's pretty good, though, considering Skype. | ||
| My God, it's excellent. | ||
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It's a lot better than those things Carl Cameron did from the car during the campaign. | |
| I suppose one day you'll give us Skypes on our desks. | ||
| No, we're not allowed to have it internally. | ||
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Well, that's... | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I can understand it, though. | ||
| They want us in a studio, yeah. | ||
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It's a security room. | |
| Understood, understood, and I respect that. | ||
| Say hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm here, guys. | ||
| I'm waiting. | ||
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Okay, we're going to put in program, and the judge will bring you in, okay? | |
| Okay, yeah, you're sending me your regular audio feed over, just so you know, but I can hear you. | ||
| I'm ready. | ||
| When they go to me, I'm here. | ||
| Hey, guys, can you... | ||
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Joel, Uma? | |
| Andy will be with you shortly. | ||
| Okay, I'm here. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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Andy will be with you shortly. | |
| I can't believe this is still going on. | ||
| Why wouldn't you cut this out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why wouldn't you cut away? | ||
| And do like ten minutes of your own show? | ||
| Or why wouldn't you have Rob Dew do this conversation about are we ready yet? | ||
| Rob Dew's around. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| You could have any producer who's there. | ||
| Alex is willing to put that on his show. | ||
| He's willing to sacrifice his own show for this other show because it's a tacit admission that he knows that Fox's audience is way bigger than his. | ||
| He's willing to do shit like this. | ||
| He went on RT on Inauguration Day and just left his show. | ||
| Simulcasts this thing and ruins four minutes at least of his live broadcast. | ||
| It's so unprofessional because he knows who gives a shit. | ||
| If I can tap into Napolitano's audience, it's going to be way bigger for me. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, even then, there's a little bit of fault on Napolitano's side as well. | ||
| Look. | ||
| Why is he getting that feed at all? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Where does that come from? | ||
| What, did he just call? | ||
| That's probably not on the judge. | ||
| That's probably on the producer. | ||
| What, do they have him on speakerphone? | ||
| They have him on Skype, and it's great. | ||
| Surprisingly good. | ||
| So they can't hear him talking? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| When I was listening to that, I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Because that clip I just played you was two minutes long. | ||
| That's not all of it. | ||
| That's not all of the tech difficulties. | ||
| And they're just like, wow, this is... | ||
| You've come a long way, baby. | ||
| You could have had somebody call... | ||
| Five minutes before then. | ||
| Get professional. | ||
| Ten minutes, just in like, hey, we're going to come on at this time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Alex does his simulcast with Napolitano, and once they get these glitches out of the way, it goes okay. | ||
| But it's a lot of just... | ||
| You racist? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| How about you? | ||
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Totally! | |
| The two of them are kind of kissing each other's asses a little bit. | ||
| Alex trying to get plugs in for the Obama deception. | ||
| Get Infowars.com out there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And lie about the MIAC report. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because that's the big thing that's going on right now for Alex. | ||
| Despite the fact that he's in a little bit of a South by Southwest holding pattern and what have you, the MIAC report is still the big news. | ||
| And what's interesting is on this episode, March 18th, Alex purports to have evidence of the, like, this, some guy called the Missouri police and recorded it. | ||
| And it's some sort of a damning thing for Alex. | ||
| So he's teasing that he's going to play this audio of a guy talking to the Missouri police. | ||
| And I'm like, I can't imagine that'll be damning. | ||
| I imagine that the cop will just be like, no comment or anything like that. | ||
| We did it! | ||
| I'm the devil! | ||
| I can't imagine anything like that. | ||
| That'd be great, though. | ||
| Don't the evil people get possessed from time to time? | ||
| I would seem to think so. | ||
| Yeah, and then they have to tell you the truth inexplicably. | ||
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That would be awesome. | |
| That would be great. | ||
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If that was the audio that he played, I would be over the moon with that. | |
| But instead, I did not expect to hear this cop be very reasonable. | ||
| And try and explain to this caller exactly what I have explained about the MIAC report. | ||
| Yeah, let's see how this goes. | ||
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I'm sorry, Sergeant Clark is on the other line right now. | |
| Let me say that the reason that music is playing is it's coming straight out of break. | ||
| It's not like it's a... | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It's not going on in the phone call. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It's not like some sort of audio package that's been put together. | ||
| It's just, it's the bumper music. | ||
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I can have you hold. | |
| I can take your name and number and have them give you a call back. | ||
| It's kind of whatever you would prefer. | ||
| Let me hold for a little bit, please. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just a moment. | ||
| Also, could have cut this out. | ||
| Ah, come on. | ||
| It's important to know that he was on hold. | ||
| See how disrespectful the police are? | ||
| They'll just put you on hold whenever. | ||
| They're public servants, Dan. | ||
| I'm definitely not continuing to talk over this dead air. | ||
| That would be crazy. | ||
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Yes, Sergeant Clark? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Hi, how are you today? | ||
| Very good, and yourself? | ||
| Very good. | ||
| Hey, my name is Rob. | ||
| I'm with Campaign for Liberty. | ||
| I just want to let you know, I'm recording this call. | ||
| I'd just like to ask you a few questions. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Trying to clarify. | |
| There's a lot of, as you know, a lot of information circulating on the Internet regarding this recent MIAC report that was circulated. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| I've not been on the Internet to see, but certainly we've taken a bunch of calls. | ||
| You're familiar with this report? | ||
| Yeah, I'm looking at the report, if we're talking about the same report. | ||
| So, we have the introduction here. | ||
| You know we're talking about the same report. | ||
| But the cop seems, Clark, he seems willing to discuss this. | ||
| He seems very convival. | ||
| Maybe that's putting it too strongly, but he's being polite and present. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, now, let's get to the meat. | ||
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Just a quick question. | |
| There's a lot of concern with people who are members of what some people deem as the Liberty Movement or who are Ron Paul supporters. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Members of the Campaign for Liberty, which is a grassroots organization. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That was actually very well received recently at CPAC. | ||
| The other white supremacist nation. | ||
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And many of the members of this organization are predominant members in the leading parties and, again, well received politically on a national level. | |
| And, sir, I don't... | ||
| I don't doubt that at all, and I commend you and those folks for everything that they've done. | ||
| That sounds a little pochenic. | ||
| He is preemptively tired of this bullshit already. | ||
| The tone of that sounded a little pochenic. | ||
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Go home and tell your mother. | |
| Oh yeah, you went to CPAC. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I'm thrilled that you're in good standing. | ||
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I guess the question is... | |
| And one of the concerns is why are people that are part of this liberty movement being labeled or targeted or potentially profiled in this report as really leads one to believe that this is a list of potential domestic terrorist suspects? | ||
| Well, if you read that, I don't see anywhere in that report where it targets anybody, where it profiles anybody, or where it labels anybody of anything. | ||
| Is it a terrorist or a militia group member or anything like that? | ||
| And to think that any law enforcement officer or agency would target somebody for a political affiliation, I think, is inappropriate. | ||
| Well, let's just say, let's take a moment just to say, that's stupid. | ||
| Like, that's in the broader picture of history. | ||
| That's very dumb. | ||
| But that's the only thing I take issue with that he's saying. | ||
| I like that this whole situation is like... | ||
| White people aren't even being profiled, and they're still mad about it. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Like, everybody else has been profiled for thousands of years, and white people are not being profiled. | ||
| Holy shit, are you gonna fucking do this to us? | ||
| We do this! | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| How dare you! | ||
| So, like, let's leave aside the fact that the cop is saying that it's inappropriate to assume that cops would target someone for their political beliefs. | ||
| So inappropriate. | ||
| The history shows... | ||
| A darker picture. | ||
| We would never do that! | ||
| But in this case... | ||
| Hoover is dead! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| A lot of the time, the people being targeted were strongly on the left. | ||
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No! | |
| That seems to be more the history of it. | ||
| Do you mean continuing? | ||
| Yes, but... | ||
| Leaving that aside. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sorry, I had to be a dick about that. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| And it's deserved, but also it's the only thing that you can really, I feel that I can take issue with, with this Clark and his analysis. | ||
| Because it's not accurate in this case. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, and what else is he going to say? | ||
| He's not going to be like, hey, look, we profile a lot of fucking people, but this time, whites, you're good. | ||
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And the report just simply does not say that. | |
| Well, I appreciate that. | ||
| What is your understanding of why the Constitution Party, Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, and Ron Paul, mention of people displaying Ron Paul bumper stickers, why is there a mention of that in the report? | ||
| Well, if you read the report, I don't think there's a mention of bumper stickers at all anywhere in the eight-page report, so obviously you haven't read the entirety of the report, or you're looking at a report that's... | ||
| Yeah, hit pause. | ||
| I want to comment there. | ||
| We'll continue back in about 15 seconds. | ||
| I love this video because they put little bubbles up with arrows to where it says Ron Paul bumper stickers. | ||
| It's the last page. | ||
| Busted. | ||
| Got him. | ||
| It's not on the last page. | ||
| It's not even on the second to last page where the parts... | ||
| They're playing fast and loose with combining details from this report in order to make it... | ||
| Strictly speaking, that cop is completely right. | ||
| There is no mention of Ron Paul bumper stickers at all in here. | ||
| The mention of Ron Paul is, these members are usually supporters of former presidential candidate Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr. | ||
| The next paragraph talks about anti-government propaganda. | ||
| Militia members commonly display picture cartoons bumper stickers that contain anti-government rhetoric. | ||
| Most of this will depict the FRS, IRS, FBI, ATF, CIA, UN, law enforcement, and the New World Order in a derogatory manner. | ||
| It's completely different sections of this report that characterizes militias and these dangerous groups that are not just... | ||
| Liberty lovers. | ||
| Did they put 100% of one side of your van covered in bumper stickers? | ||
| That's not a red flag. | ||
| That's not a red flag at all? | ||
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No. | |
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| That's a don't tread on me flag. | ||
| Unfairly targeting these people. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, we have seen this cop be very fair on this phone call with the exception of that one little thing. | ||
| But this guy isn't listening. | ||
| Oh, of course not. | ||
| And this next clip, I think, really drives home... | ||
| A point that we've been making for almost the entirety of this podcast, but it's really interesting to see it demonstrated in real time. | ||
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I can't speak for why you think that there's something in the report that says people who have a Ron Paul bumper sticker or any political affiliation bumper sticker on their car would be targeted. | |
| That's just simply not true, and it's not in the report. | ||
| Is there reference to the so-called patriot movement or people who are opposed to North American Union or the New World Order in there? | ||
| Well, there's some information in there regarding certain militia groups and those violent factions that operate within those militia groups. | ||
| It details their certain belief systems and what political parties or candidates they might associate themselves with. | ||
| But certainly the document doesn't say that anybody who's affiliated with a certain political candidate or a political party is certainly... | ||
| A militia member, a terrorist, or anything like that. | ||
| He's a militia member or terrorist, as if being in a militia, which is in the Constitution Bill of Rights, is terrorism. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's all, these people want to kill you, here's the stickers they have, Ron Paul. | ||
| It's not that at all. | ||
| That isn't what he said at all. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| And it's not even in the report. | ||
| Also, in a militia or a terrorist is a disjunction. | ||
| That's or. | ||
| It generally means one or the other. | ||
| It's not saying that they're equivalent or the same thing at all. | ||
| So now what you see here, this is interesting to me, because what Alex Jones has just done is very accurately, he's played an accurate debunking of his narrative on the show. | ||
| That cop is absolutely correct in terms of the inference problem that they are making, that Alex's propaganda is making. | ||
| The idea that these dangerous groups that we have studied, they show these signs. | ||
| That isn't to say that if you exhibit those signs, you should be suspected of being a member of one of these dangerous groups. | ||
| That he has just completely laid out exactly why Alex is wrong. | ||
| So you'd think Alex would play that and be like, guys, we fucked up this one. | ||
| We fucked up. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Chop it in 15 second chunks and I'll come in and disagree with everything and lie about it. | ||
| Instead, what he does is, on March 19th, as soon as he starts his show, he says this. | ||
| We have a Dr. Chuck Baldwin, Constitutional Party presidential candidate 2008, who was basically listed as a terrorist leader by the state police propaganda document put out in Missouri, written by the feds, and that's what the document does. | ||
| Don't let them spin it. | ||
| Don't let him spin it. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Don't let him spin it against our already spinning ball. | ||
| No, can't let him spin it? | ||
| That's insane to me. | ||
| This guy has just explained it. | ||
| He hasn't spun anything. | ||
| What else is explaining reality other than putting spin on it? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| But it's natural spin. | ||
| It's real spin. | ||
| That's the world we exist in where reality is spin. | ||
| Reality cannot be trusted, so... | ||
| Any statement of fact, any statement of the definition of a word will be challenged. | ||
| But you see it right there. | ||
| You see it. | ||
| You see it clearly. | ||
| Alex Jones, at this point, and always, I'm certain always, thinks that any explanation that is against his predetermined idea is spin. | ||
| They're trying to lie about this thing that I'm lying about. | ||
| It's lunacy. | ||
| It's no way to live. | ||
| When you have a nine and you want to divide it by, let's say, three, you get a three, which makes nine a square number. | ||
| It's a spin. | ||
| How dare you spin the truth? | ||
| You can't divide any number by any number. | ||
| We will not be divided! | ||
| Well, the thing is... | ||
| That's Alex in third grade. | ||
| The thing is that the narrative is so satisfying to him because it reinforces and proves so many of the bullshit things. | ||
| Because if this is true, then he is a victim. | ||
| Then they are targeting him. | ||
| They're coming for us. | ||
| Next thing you know, they're going to put us in the camps. | ||
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This is absolutely proof that all the other stuff that I'm trying to make you afraid of is true. | |
| It's an existential threat to him for this to not be true. | ||
| So it doesn't matter. | ||
| The truth is spin. | ||
| It's pathetic. | ||
| It's super pathetic. | ||
| So, after Alex introduces his guests for the day and lets you know what's coming up on the program, he gets to his first news story on March 19th. | ||
| And surprise, surprise, it's bullshit. | ||
| Okay, massive news, very important news. | ||
| Let me break it down right now. | ||
| House passes mandatory national service bill. | ||
| You heard me. | ||
| It's now going to the Senate. | ||
| They are going to do this. | ||
| You just raised your eyebrow. | ||
| They are moving on every front. | ||
| By the way, Obama is going down to Mexico. | ||
| I was listening to him live. | ||
| I gave a speech on the radio this morning to a crowd saying that, oh, we're going to fix the illegal alien problem because we're just going to legalize them. | ||
| The American people want to legalize them. | ||
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They just want them to be official and legal and have papers. | |
| They'll be in the system. | ||
| And so get ready for that as well. | ||
| But just off the charts report, PrisonPlanet.com, Paul Watson, House passes mandatory national service bill. | ||
| The House passed a bill yesterday which includes disturbing language indicating young people will be forced to undertake mandatory national service programs as fears about President Obama's promised civilian national security force intensify. | ||
| Watson's being too timid here, like he always is. | ||
| If you read the bill that passed, it says forced service, so I'm going to read it. | ||
| Yes, they have passed it. | ||
| It's going to the Senate right now. | ||
| So he's going to read that bill. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| Also, Alex is completely misrepresenting this bill, because of course he is. | ||
| From a write-up on fact check, the initial version of the bill that was introduced in the House, quote, called for a congressional commission to address and analyze several topics, including issues that deter volunteerism and how they can be overcome, how expanding international public service might affect diplomacy and foreign relations, and whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation. | ||
| The version that passed the House had this language completely stripped from it. | ||
| The version that passed the Senate never included such language at all. | ||
| Even Orrin Hatch said on the Senate floor, quote, Because Alex is saying that the bill passed and not that the bill was introduced, it's very clear that he's lying or that the only thing he knows about the bill is based on the article on his site written by Paul Joseph Watson, who is way too sloppy to know that a bill can be rewritten in committee or any other place in debates. | ||
| So the bill that's introduced is not always the same as the bill that's voted on. | ||
| It's pretty clear this is just another example of Paul Joseph Watson having zero professionalism as a journalist and reporting something completely inaccurate because it fits Infowars'predetermined news. | ||
| He's British. | ||
| He couldn't have watched Schoolhouse Rock. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| Where could he have found it? | ||
| Yeah, you don't know about how to make a bill. | ||
| He's not a bill. | ||
| It's nuts, man. | ||
| This level of lying. | ||
| Like, that's just a lie. | ||
| Like, that one's not even spin. | ||
| With the MIAC stuff, I'm like, I wish... | ||
| I wish you wouldn't put your spin on this. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm not going to let you spin this narrative. | ||
| It was in there. | ||
| That means it's always in there. | ||
| That is just truth. | ||
| That's based on the Constitution. | ||
| The Constitution says you cannot change a bill once you introduce it. | ||
| And it says you can't change the Constitution, so we've got to get rid of these amendments. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So this doesn't deter Alex from trying to spread fear of what will happen once these... | ||
| Forced volunteerism things happen. | ||
| People will clean up garbage on the sides of the road. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| More people will show up at their local American Legion in order to provide a potluck. | ||
| That's what they want you to think is going to happen. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| See, it's the same thing with saying that, hey, you know, the National Guard's going to help in emergencies when really they're taking you to camps. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| You hear this volunteer stuff and you're like, oh man, maybe they'll teach... | ||
| Children how to read. | ||
| In truth, here's what's going to happen. | ||
| Drug head, know-it-all video game players who've been playing all these violent games. | ||
| Who've all been primed for this, they're going to love their new authority through the government, and they're going to be running around in their uniforms, and they'll come to the dinner table at night and boss you around, and, hey, Mom, hey, Dad, I'm with the Hitler youth now. | ||
| I mean, this has been done everywhere, and this is the... | ||
| Mao did it, Hitler did it, Stalin did it, Lenin did it, Pol Pot did it, Fidel Castro did it. | ||
| This is the most stinking, out-of-control tyranny you can get. | ||
| I just want to tell all the young snot-nosed punks, Don't try running a checkpoint with me. | ||
| Don't try coming up and tasering me. | ||
| I just can't handle it anymore. | ||
| I can't handle the scumbag bankers robbing this country and the classical tyranny they're setting up and the dumbass public that doesn't know that tyranny's looking down the barrel of a gun at them. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm just getting angry, folks. | ||
| I just... | ||
| It's just really starting to get to me. | ||
| And don't you dare go to the hospice and read to my grandma! | ||
| How dare you! | ||
| That's the government trying to get her to learn things! | ||
| She's already halfway to death! | ||
| I'm helping her spin things. | ||
| I mean, like, what he's expressing there at the end is like, I can't take it anymore! | ||
| This guy makes me so mad! | ||
| Like, what you can't take anymore is your fake version of reality. | ||
| Like, you could just alleviate yourself. | ||
| You could unshackle yourself of those burdens by just reading. | ||
| Legitimately, you could stop being so mad if you would just read. | ||
| All it is is paranoid fantasies. | ||
| That's all he's mad at. | ||
| He's mad at ghosts. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| A lot of people can get mad at ghosts. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Noted pranksters. | ||
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| The Netflix show, The Hunting on a House Hill or whatever it is, that's scary. | ||
| I'm afraid of ghosts now, and I'm mad at them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And at my stomach. | ||
| You are angry. | ||
| I am upset at my stomach. | ||
| I do like hearing that narrative of like... | ||
| You like hearing that narrative. | ||
| These people are playing violent video games. | ||
| That's why they cause violence. | ||
| Because we only ever see that whenever there's a... | ||
| It's like, well, this is a convenient way of going. | ||
| We didn't hear that violent video games caused all of the shootings today. | ||
| We found out... | ||
| It's white supremacy. | ||
| I'm sure someone probably tried to spin that. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| We've seen that. | ||
| Well, when Dylann Roof came on, so many people were just like, oh, it's all these violent video games. | ||
| It's all of that shit. | ||
| And movies. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You know what it is. | ||
| Stop pretending otherwise. | ||
| It's too difficult to wrestle with the other stuff. | ||
| The other stuff is, it opens up a knapsack of things you don't want to look at the contents of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| unpack the history of domestic violence that's always behind all of these things. | ||
| So, you know, they played the Doom. | ||
| And, you know, that's it. | ||
| You play Doom and you're done. | ||
| Yeah, it's like the movie The Ring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You play Doom and then seven days later, you kill somebody. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And it's a hate crime. | ||
| It's weird how that works. | ||
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| So earlier in the episode, Alex teased that he's going to have Chuck Baldwin on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Chuck Baldwin is another one of these guys who's listed in the MIAC report. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And wouldn't you be just... | ||
| Just knock me over with a feather when I learn that Chuck Baldwin has the exact same take on the MIAC document as Alex. | ||
| You bet I am fired up today. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| I'm seeing liberty, the awakening to tyranny, exploding. | ||
| Well, this Missouri fiasco, I think, is illustrative of what we're dealing with here. | ||
| Whenever you can categorize people who vote for myself or Ron Paul or even Bob Barr, It's almost like this is a coordinated response. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's almost weird that these people have the exact same angle that, you know, conveniently makes the same logical fallacy in order to excuse the fact that a lot of people who support them end up in violent militias. | ||
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I mean, that's strange. | |
| It's not that strange. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So one of the things that's interesting about Chuck is that he has come prepared with a letter that he has written to the authorities in Missouri. | ||
| I think one of the interesting things about him is that he's the only Baldwin brother to actually run for public office. | ||
| They've all threatened it at one point or not. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But he has stick-to-itiveness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He really can do it. | ||
| He can't be in Encino Man. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I'll be goddamned if he can't run for public office. | ||
| He might be a better actor in terms of him trying to present himself as an aggrieved victim on this show. | ||
| But in this next clip, listen, dude, this is crazy. | ||
| He has this letter that he's written to the Missouri... | ||
| Law enforcement folk and Jay Nixon, the governor. | ||
| He's just going to read a letter now. | ||
| We won't listen to all of it, but yeah, Alex wants him to. | ||
| And I have a take on this on the other end, that this is really fucked up. | ||
| This is like, it's more fucked up than just this guy writing a letter to Jay Nixon because he's butthurt about being listed in a document. | ||
| Dearest government, it has been so loud. | ||
| Chuck, do you have the letter in front of you? | ||
| I do, I do have the letter. | ||
| I'm going to sit back here. | ||
| Will you read that on air, please? | ||
| Well, it's a little over two pages. | ||
| Go ahead and read it. | ||
| Yeah, let's read it. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I've got to fill time. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Dear Governor Nixon, the three of us write you as former presidential candidates, as concerned citizens, and in the case of Ron Paul, as a sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives, and Bob Barr as a former member, 1995 to 2003. | ||
| We bring to your attention the most disturbing document being circulated by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, MIAC, over the seal of your office and your name as governor. | ||
| We respectfully demand that the following described document be immediately removed from any and all websites associated with or maintained by the state of Missouri or any agency thereof, including the MIAC. | ||
| That the said document no longer be circulated by the state of Missouri or any agency thereof or associated therewith. | ||
| That the state of Missouri repudiate its references to the three of us as contained therein. | ||
| The document to which we refer is identified as follows, and a copy enclosed herewith. | ||
| So he goes on and on to talk about how this is awful that you would dare put our names in this guy. | ||
| And here's the thing that I really want to drive home. | ||
| This isn't just Chuck Baldwin saying, you know, it's offensive to me that I'm in this document. | ||
| This is an attempt to bully law enforcement to not be able to do their jobs. | ||
| Because people like Chuck Baldwin and Ron Paul don't want to own up to the effect that they've had on society. | ||
| They know damn well that a lot of their supporters have gone that way. | ||
| Especially Ron Paul. | ||
| There's literally no way that he can't recognize that a lot of his supporters are fucking white supremacists and neo-Nazis. | ||
| He can't. | ||
| It's literally... | ||
| Beyond the realm of possibility for him to plead ignorance on that. | ||
| Especially considering his own writings of racism, yeah. | ||
| And the attempt to take over of Dominica. | ||
| Well, who amongst us can judge him for that? | ||
| And just neo-Nazi ties that he has that go back quite a ways. | ||
| But so for these guys, they know the deal, right? | ||
| Yeah, they have to. | ||
| They're purposefully stoking it as a political... | ||
| So them getting together and writing a letter to Jay Nixon, the governor of Missouri, to be like, this is a slanderous document and how dare you allow them to say that our supporters are suspected of being in these militias and dangerous groups. | ||
| They're taking that propaganda angle that is the misrepresentation of the association that the MIAC document did, and they're weaponizing it against the very law enforcement agencies and the governor of Missouri in order to get them to not be able to express a truth, a truth that people in these groups do support them. | ||
| That's terrorism to some extent. | ||
| That's information terrorism. | ||
| And they're able to do it because people like Bob Barr, people like Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin have social capital. | ||
| They can bully the governor to do that. | ||
| And they succeed. | ||
| What? | ||
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| That can't be real. | ||
| They redacted, or they reneged, or whatever the correct term is, the MIAC report. | ||
| They rescinded it, I guess would be the best way to put it. | ||
| Because of all the pressure from people like these three, how dare you name us in this, law enforcement did do an accurate thing. | ||
| For once. | ||
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Right. | |
| They just put their tail between their legs and kowtowed to the pressure of right-wing propagandists. | ||
| Dangerous figures, quite frankly. | ||
| And it is the central truth that if a bunch of powerful white people get together and bitch, things will change because everybody is just like, fucking fine, just go away already. | ||
| And then it keeps happening, and it keeps happening. | ||
| And if other groups do it, it does not happen. | ||
| It's partially just go away, and then the other part is the very fear of things that are in the MIAC document. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Which is, uh-oh, your followers might bomb us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's not to say that, again, everybody who follows these people are terrorists. | ||
| But there's a bunch of them among them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's, you know, it's that implicit threat that's underneath a letter that you send to the governor, along with, like, they're never going to stop. | ||
| All of those credits that they open up that letter with are a damning indictment of our government and the electorate, of, like, Ron Paul, sitting member of the United States. | ||
| Oh, wait, wait. | ||
| Oh, God, that can't be real. | ||
| Bob Barr from 1995 to 2000. | ||
| What? | ||
| No, he's what? | ||
| He's in the government? | ||
| Christ! | ||
| So, in this next clip, I think Alex kind of tips his hand that he knows that his story about this document is a little bit bullshit. | ||
| Okay, I would just add to that that they start out with a page listing cop killers. | ||
| And then they demonize the militia connecting it to that. | ||
| Then they connect violent militias, which basically don't exist and are constitutional. | ||
| What? | ||
| You know, the nonviolent ones. | ||
| What? | ||
| To... | ||
| Basically, the majority of the American people, pro-Second Amendment, pro-sovereignty, pro-border, just you name it. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| The part that I think that he's tipping his hand about a little bit is, like, the listing of cop killers and stuff like that at the beginning are militias. | ||
| Like, he's trying to pretend that they aren't the same thing. | ||
| And then as to his claim that, you know, violent militias don't exist... | ||
| I'd like to take you back to 1818, when Georgia militiamen slaughtered members of the peaceful Cheeha tribe in retaliation for things that were done by other tribes. | ||
| They knew in advance that the Cheeha tribe were a friendly group, and not the ones who did what they were mad at, but decided to take out their anger on them anyway. | ||
| If you go back in time, you'll find tons and tons of examples of exactly this racially motivated violence done by militia groups, but that's going too far back. | ||
| So let's just mention the Bundy Ranch, the Malhoor Wildlife Standoff, the Oklahoma... | ||
| city bombing the unite the right rally in charlottesville and then there's the countless disrupted plots of militia members trying to bomb mosques all false flags or take over army bases and then there was fear the militia of non-commissioned servicemen who planned to poison an apple field and blow up a dam as part of their plan to take over fort stewart in georgia their plot was uncovered so in retribution they killed a 19 year old named michael rourke and his 17 year old girlfriend tiffany york and threw their bodies in a lake because they thought rourke had snitched then of | ||
| Of course, there's everything that the Oath Keepers have ever done, but that's a matter for another time. | ||
| There's tons and tons of militia violence, even in present day, dating back to 1818. | ||
| The history of militias have largely been pretending to be there to stand up. | ||
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In case? | |
| And then there are people getting bored and killing people and generally causing trouble. | ||
| It's what? | ||
| A coalition of stolen valor and racists. | ||
| Some of them actually did serve, but yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| So here is Chuck- So wait, their plan was to poison an apple field. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what that has to- How was that going to work out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe the apple field was like... | ||
| It specifically went to Fort Stewart. | ||
| Maybe those apples were going to get inside Fort Stewart that way. | ||
| So they're going with the classic Sleeping Beauty plan. | ||
| I don't pretend to understand the finer points of militia plans. | ||
| Because generally they're a little crazy. | ||
| So a kid and his fucking girlfriend got murdered for the plot of Sleeping Beauty? | ||
| More or less. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I find that a lot of militia plots that I end up looking... | ||
| Like, on our last episode, there was that guy who was going to take over that courthouse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of them are kind of the equivalent of, like, a Rube Goldberg machine. | ||
| It's like, I don't understand how, or it's like, mousetrap. | ||
| I don't understand why you're going about it this way. | ||
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| It seems ridiculous. | ||
| Well, that's one of the reasons that you're like, this is all stolen valor bullshit, because they're getting their idea of a plan to achieve an objective from Ocean's Eleven. | ||
| You know, like, it all has to be, like, this elaborate con, and... | ||
| An actual plan is like, how do we make as few moving parts as possible? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Because anything could go wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We need to try and control every aspect. | ||
| If you go back and you look at the raid on Osama Bin Laden's house, it's not like, okay, so here's what we're going to do. | ||
| We're going to build a catapult, and we're going to get one of the Navy SEAL Team 6 guys in there, and he's going to have padding, and we're going to launch him over that wall, and he's going to land like a cat, and finally he's going to fight Obama or Osama. | ||
| All right, here's what we're going to do. | ||
| We're going to get a hologram of Jenny McCarthy, but not modern Jenny McCarthy. | ||
| Jenny McCarthy in the 90s. | ||
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We're going to... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's easier ways to go about just about anything that these guys conceive of. | ||
| So Chuck here in this next clip expresses what he is going to do in response to this MIAC document. | ||
| Start a violent militia! | ||
| Meh. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Very, very exciting to see you guys standing up and fighting back. | ||
| But I go back to the question. | ||
| We ran out of time. | ||
| Talking to Ron Paul, talking to Bob Barr, are they saying that they may do legal action if this is not reversed and retracted? | ||
| I think I can safely say that the sense of each of us is that this is serious enough that if the state of Missouri does not respond appropriately... | ||
| That we should consider legal action. | ||
| I think that is certainly a consideration right now. | ||
| So that was discussed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're going to sue. | ||
| No, it was not. | ||
| They know damn well that they are not going to pursue any legal action because if they went to court with this shit, guess what? | ||
| All of it would be proven true. | ||
| They could never, ever get into any under oath situation where the guys are actually just providing a list of violent actors, a list of violent militias, all of whom are... | ||
| Demonstrating what the report actually says. | ||
| If they actually provided all of the evidence that supported this, it'd be like Marine Le Pen being legally named a fascist. | ||
| You lose whenever it's real. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| But they also know that, like, a unified front and a threat of a lawsuit is going to be enough to get them to recant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, but look, this is baby stuff, man. | ||
| This is, like, meh. | ||
| Whenever they, you know, the right and the Alex Joneses and the Patriots, all these people crow on all day about responsibility. | ||
| And they talk nonstop about, you know, standing up. | ||
| For truth and all this. | ||
| And here you have a situation where there's a report that comes out that just says that people who are in dangerous militias tend to like these people. | ||
| And those people can't handle that. | ||
| So they lie about it and threaten the law enforcement people to be like, don't say that! | ||
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Don't say that! | |
| Right. | ||
| It's so childish. | ||
| It's the definition of it. | ||
| It's pathetic. | ||
| When I was listening to this, I'm like, really? | ||
| Really, Chuck Baldwin. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'd hope for better. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I'm going to get my congressman pals and we're going to write a letter. | ||
| I'm constantly disappointed in these people. | ||
| I hate feeling that way. | ||
| It just always comes back to, you need a higher class of criminal in this town. | ||
| I know. | ||
| These people suck. | ||
| They don't live by their own principles. | ||
| Tested. | ||
| When put to the metal, they show themselves to be... | ||
| A bunch of cowardly soy boys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It never ceases to bother me that these people are so disappointing and have done so much damage. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's really the sense that I have. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It just drives home that, like, literacy is important. | ||
| Like, all of this could be stopped if the people they're lying to had... | ||
| Had the ability to critically read the things. | ||
| If you allow your child to be literate, he shouldn't have anything to fear from the child who isn't literate, Dan. | ||
| It's a vaccination. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| See? | ||
| We have nothing to worry about. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I should tell you something. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I've been withholding a little piece of information. | ||
| About this March 19th show. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Chuck Baldwin isn't the only guest on this here show. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He has a couple of other guests. | ||
| Tammy Baldwin. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| One of them is the anonymous cop who sent him the MIAC report. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So they do an interview, and it starts with him talking about how he's a big Ron Paul supporter, and so I'm like, out. | ||
| Out! | ||
| Shoo! | ||
| Shoo! | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| It's like, okay, I get it. | ||
| This is your angle, too. | ||
| I understand that you took it personally that your buddy was in here, but that still doesn't... | ||
| You didn't read this accurately. | ||
| So it's still... | ||
| I'm not charmed by that interview. | ||
| It doesn't help me at all. | ||
| And so we can ignore that. | ||
| Does he use, like, a voice masker? | ||
| Or is it, like... | ||
| His voice does sound a little weird, but it is kind of, like... | ||
| You know, it's in the range of Missouri accents. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So, like, I'm not... | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think he put it through, like, a box or anything. | ||
| But at the end of the show, Alex has another guest. | ||
| And I believe this appearance might change everything in Alex Jones' life. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm doing editing even here on the air, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| We're joined for the rest of the hour, and I apologize for getting him on late, but we decided to have that state police officer on. | ||
| But it's a perfect segue into this. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes created a great website. | ||
| He's a constitutional lawyer. | ||
| But masses of military and police have been saying they pledged to be oath-keepers and not violate the Bill of Rights Constitution and to follow their oath. | ||
| And when I read it, I said, this person has a deep knowledge of what's going on, because this is how I would have written it, probably better than I would have written it. | ||
| So, Stuart Rhodes, thanks for coming on, sir. | ||
| Oh, you're welcome, and you're absolutely right. | ||
| That was a fantastic segue. | ||
| That officer is an oath-keeper. | ||
| And I would have written it better. | ||
| And that's exactly what we are here to do, is to bring more men like that out. | ||
| And most of the members of our organization don't use their real names. | ||
| Or we don't even want to know who they are. | ||
| That's a bad sign! | ||
| Because just like that gentleman there just did, we want them to be able to continue their job and continue doing the good work for the American people. | ||
| So, Stuart Rhodes is on. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes was a paratrooper for a time, but he was injured in a night parachuting accident and received an honorable discharge from the service. | ||
| So, thank you for your service. | ||
| In 2008, Rhodes would go on to be a volunteer for Ron Paul's campaign for president. | ||
| In his advocacy, one of the things that really seems to have stuck out for him was how unfair it was for people to associate Ron Paul with things like racism and right-wing extremists. | ||
| Far be it from us to remind everyone of the attempted takeover of Dominica and, of course, Ron Paul's racist newsletter that had his name on it and was written in the first person. | ||
| After the failure of Ron Paul to become president, Rhodes decided to change approach. | ||
| Noticing the rising tide of the early Tea Party movement, Rhodes established the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Rhodes established the Oath Keepers. | ||
| He started the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Rhodes started the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Only about a month before this appearance on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| He's very young, very nascent period of the organization. | ||
| Oh, Christ. | ||
| He started the Oath Keepers based on the ten orders that the Oath Keepers will not follow. | ||
| All of these orders are imaginary, and all of them would be unconstitutional on their face. | ||
| Only eat vanilla ice cream. | ||
| That's in the Constitution. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The entire basis of the Oath Keepers is basically the same thing as the Tenth Amendment resolutions that Alex keeps bringing up on his show. | ||
| They're really just aggressively pushing things that are already law, pretending that they aren't. | ||
| It's not hard to think of them as a man who's looking to distract from how he's cheating on his wife by insisting that they should renew their vows. | ||
| It's kind of the same thing. | ||
| They're like, we will not... | ||
| Just name any of the early amendments, and that's one of their ten. | ||
| One of them is, we will not listen to any order that involves allowing people free speech. | ||
| Great! | ||
| You can't! | ||
| I assume that they definitely put, like, we will not, you know, infringe upon the rights of journalists to report accurately. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's in there, but I don't know if they follow that one. | ||
| I don't think they follow that one. | ||
| So, recognizing an opportunity to piggyback on the burgeoning Tea Party, Rhodes sent out representatives to 30 of the 4th of July 2009 Tea Party protests around the country, and in doing so, he successfully associated his movement with that of the Tea Party. | ||
| But before that... | ||
| Here he is on Alex Jones' show, pitching the Oath Keepers to him. | ||
| So a constitutional lawyer. | ||
| Yeah, he got a law degree, I think, from... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know he went to college at UNLV after he got out of the service. | ||
| And I do know that he was a lawyer and got disbarred. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| That's where it starts coming. | ||
| Not entirely. | ||
| Not entirely. | ||
| Just in one state. | ||
| I can't remember what state it was. | ||
| He was involved in some kind of Oath Keeper activity, and he wrote a letter. | ||
| That implied that he was acting as a lawyer and he wasn't allowed to practice in the state. | ||
| So he got disbarred in that state. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| But not the states that he's actually passed the bar in. | ||
| So he has a law degree. | ||
| He's not an idiot. | ||
| I think he's a sociopath, for sure. | ||
| But we'll get into a little bit more about the Oath Keepers and why this is a major problem. | ||
| Is a parallel to the present day in a very, very bad way. | ||
| Even more so than what we talked about on the last episode. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| I didn't know when we were going over that stuff on the last episode that literally right around the corner was going to be the founder of the Oath Keepers about a month into the Oath Keepers existing, coming on Alex's show, and the two of them getting along like best friends. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So it does bear mentioning that a couple days before where we're covering now... | ||
| Jack McLamb, noted Holocaust denier Jack McLamb, came on Alex Jones' show and read those ten orders that the Oath Keepers will not follow. | ||
| So there's already been sort of a priming of the audience to the idea that these Oath Keepers, these young kids on the scene, they're pretty cool. | ||
| They're pretty cool. | ||
| And I'm guessing that Jack McLamb behind the scenes connected Alex with Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| And bada bing, here we go. | ||
| So Alex wants to ask Stuart, how'd this all start? | ||
| Let's get going. | ||
| Just amazing testimony on the site. | ||
| What gave you the idea to create this? | ||
| How many people have come on the site and pledged in just a few weeks it's been up that they're going to stand by the Constitution of all rights? | ||
| President who is not white. | ||
| Well, I was working for, in Congress, Paul's campaign here in Nevada. | ||
| I used to work in his D.C. office. | ||
| But I was still focused on the campaign. | ||
| But about a year and a half ago, I had the idea that, you know, what do we do next? | ||
| And if this campaign is not successful, what's our next move? | ||
| And my thought was, well, Let's have our focus of effort be on the men with the guns. | ||
| If you're going to have an awakening of one million people, if you're going to have a chance to awaken one million people to be constitutionalists, would you want to focus on the military? | ||
| And those are the men who are supposed to be our guardians. | ||
| That's the sound of a coup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the sound of a coup. | ||
| That's a troubling rationale. | ||
| It's like, hey, if you had to get 20 people on your side, wouldn't you want them all to be the people with guns? | ||
| Want to use those guns? | ||
| Yeah, that kind of seems like you want those guns to go off. | ||
| Yeah, if you are a listener of Knowledge Fight, I don't care if you have a gun or not. | ||
| It's not really important to me. | ||
| I don't know why I needed to say that. | ||
| I don't know why you needed to say that. | ||
| It's important to note that immediately after bitching and moaning about the MIAC document, he has the founder of a violent militia on his show. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I was going to try and say, are the Oath Keepers violent? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of them are. | ||
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| And also there's pretty good indications that there's sort of a systemic culture within a lot of the organizations of the Oath Keepers that are deeply racist. | ||
| But on this appearance, Stewart comes in hot with an analogy. | ||
| And we know Alex Jones... | ||
| Oh, this is not going to go well. | ||
| Alex Jones loves movie analogies. | ||
| Oh, this isn't going to go well. | ||
| And I think Stewart did his homework. | ||
| It's kind of like in the Lord of the Rings, how the ring of power, they think the ring of power is that these guys are going to do whatever they say. | ||
| They think the oath is their ring of power. | ||
| But it's not true. | ||
| The oath is to the Constitution, and even more fundamentally, it's to the people. | ||
| And so we're going to take that right to Mount Doom and toss it right up their chute. | ||
| Oh man, that analogy is just pure gold. | ||
| You are something special. | ||
| No, it's not! | ||
| You are something special. | ||
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No! | |
| The ring of power! | ||
| There is a slight allegory for nuclear weapons. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But, you know, like I said, Alex loves a movie metaphor. | ||
| Here, Stuart comes in with a movie metaphor. | ||
| Alex is like, fuck, this is how I understand things, too. | ||
| You and I are friends. | ||
| God, you are so good. | ||
| That is good as gold. | ||
| You are something special. | ||
| You can see this is like two minutes into their interview. | ||
| They're best buddies now. | ||
| And it doesn't even make sense. | ||
| Why would the ring of power just be a general sense of because we can? | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The ring of power is they think we're going to do whatever they want. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The military is going to do whatever we want. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So his argument is that because the globalists control the military... | ||
| The guys with guns. | ||
| That's their... | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now the analogy, actually. | ||
| Good as gold. | ||
| The guys with guns have sworn to protect the country, and therefore, the globalists have this ring of power over them. | ||
| But in reality... | ||
| The Oath Keepers are helping to recontextualize the idea that you're not loyal to the country, you're loyal to the Constitution. | ||
| It's very different, very different things, and therefore you can fight against your country if you want. | ||
| And it just so happens to turn out... | ||
| Because the country's been taken over by globalists! | ||
| ...that the other thing that you are protecting is us. | ||
| You are now part of our separatist group. | ||
| Within the military. | ||
| You know, that's always worked out well. | ||
| When was the last time having a separatist group that doesn't take the actual government as sovereign or whatever, as legitimate? | ||
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Oh, Blackwater. | |
| When has that ever gone bad? | ||
| Blackwater. | ||
| When has that ever gone bad? | ||
| Praetorian Guard. | ||
| Never has that gone bad. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, Alex is... | ||
| We called ourselves the coup keepers. | ||
| Alex is so thrilled to make a friend. | ||
| And I think he's really excited. | ||
| Because this movement is just getting going. | ||
| We're still a couple months away from the 4th of July when he sends out everybody to these Tea Party rallies and deeply insinuates the Oath Keepers with the Tea Party, which I have a major theory about at the end of this episode. | ||
| But Alex gets in such a good mood that he comes back from break singing along with a little song that he's clearly trying to implant in his audience's mind is actually... | ||
| Kind of about the Oath Keepers. | ||
| And we're gonna be best friends. | ||
| They railed against the crown. | ||
| Another ragtag band. | ||
| Declaring. | ||
| Independence. | ||
| They laid their bodies down in a bloody war. | ||
| For liberty, for their descendants. | ||
| Look in the mirror. | ||
| That's you. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| Thanks to the renegades. | ||
| We're free today. | ||
| Thanks to the renegades. | ||
| We're free today. | ||
| Thank God for the renegades and the lives they lead. | ||
| Far ahead of their time. | ||
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Without the renegades. | |
| Renegades. | ||
| Lord knows where we'd be. | ||
| When it comes to heroes, renegades are mine. | ||
| And going back to the Mordor analogy, you have the tower, the mountain of power with the all-seeing eye with its armies moving across the world, but right here in its command base, right here in Empire U.S., it is distracted looking. | ||
| Looking everywhere for the ring. | ||
| That's what this MIAC report is. | ||
| They're counting on the police and military being Uruk-hai or orcs. | ||
| Alex, you like this metaphor too much. | ||
| He's really going deep on this one. | ||
| But I think that's him trying to say to Stuart, like, I can play. | ||
| I can play too. | ||
| And Congress is Saruman. | ||
| What else you got? | ||
| Obama's worm tongue. | ||
| I guess Soros. | ||
| I mean, not now. | ||
| I guess it's Rockefeller would be like Wormtong. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I want to, and I think we can do this, because this is public domain. | ||
| Let's release a spoken word album of Alex doing all of these. | ||
| Like, a Shatner-style spoken word album. | ||
| I mean, that's basically what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think that would go straight to the top of the charts. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| The Patriot charts. | ||
| Guys, by the way, on the next episode, I found a song that you will not believe. | ||
| Teaser. | ||
| And I'm telling you this, you'll forget by the next episode, and it will still blow your mind. | ||
| Even if you remember. | ||
| Even if I remember. | ||
| It's going to blow your goddamn mind. | ||
| When I found it, I was like, how am I going to sit on this? | ||
| Going to have to. | ||
| Anyway, these guys are clearly forming a bond here, talking about Lord of the Rings, talking about how great it is to fight oppression. | ||
| See, I like that. | ||
| I could hang. | ||
| I can talk Lord of the Rings. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| Maybe just don't be part of a white separatist, white supremacist militia. | ||
| It's got to be one or the other. | ||
| I can talk Lord of the Rings with anybody but you in your white supremacist militia organization. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| Too bad. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| You're out. | ||
| Can't talk Lord of the Rings ever. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| Here's what I am having a big issue with. | ||
| In this entire metaphor. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There is no Galadriel going on right here. | ||
| No Galadriel. | ||
| Think of any Galadriel that you could put in there. | ||
| Rob Dew is Legolas. | ||
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| I wish we were talking about something completely different and you're just like, all of a sudden you're just like, you know, Rob Dew is Legolas. | ||
| And then we just move on. | ||
| I don't think Leanne McAdoo's around yet, but she'd obviously be that elf lady. | ||
| His name I can't remember. | ||
| So racist. | ||
| I haven't seen those movies in a long time. | ||
| There are books! | ||
| I haven't read those books since I was a kid. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Anyway, Alex has some complaints about the world that he wants to share with... | ||
| I've never heard him do that before. | ||
| He wants to share these with Stuart Rhodes, and then Stuart is going to make some claims that I don't think reality backs up. | ||
| You have to dare great, ladies and gentlemen, and you can succeed. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to shut up. | ||
| I made those points. | ||
| It's just that they're also trying to divide our movements, trying to demonize, trying to say, don't trust this leader, don't trust that leader. | ||
| That's the operatives. | ||
| That's what COINTELPRO does. | ||
| No, that's what you're doing. | ||
| That person's a Vatican assassin. | ||
| This person works for Israel. | ||
| It's the information that's key. | ||
| Bill of Rights, Constitution, Liberty, Second Amendment, national sovereignty, cut the size of government, kick them out of the states. | ||
| You know a tree by its fruits. | ||
| So the other attack is to divide us. | ||
| Now... | ||
| Smash cut to all of the shit he says about Glenn Beck. | ||
| The fruits of this tree are... | ||
| We'll get to those in a second. | ||
| Hate crimes. | ||
| Go ahead and comment on those points, Stuart Rhodes, and let's get into the Oath Keepers. | ||
| You're absolutely right, and that's why Oath Keepers... | ||
| We always stress that this was a first... | ||
| We contemplated and first planned before the election. | ||
| We didn't care who got elected. | ||
| It didn't make a difference who was going to be president. | ||
| We thought it was executive power. | ||
| And we're talking about active-duty military and veterans. | ||
| And these gentlemen don't care who's president. | ||
| We're looking at the big picture. | ||
| We stay neutral on politics. | ||
| We stay neutral on the Iraq war. | ||
| I'll be speaking at a big event in June, a big pro-trups rally in June. | ||
| I was invited by a former Navy SEAL captain. | ||
| Larry Bailey of Gathering of Eagles. | ||
| So a lot of the more hardcore conservative groups who might not have listened during Bush are starting to wake up and understand what the great danger is. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Are they? | ||
| A bunch of hardcore conservative groups. | ||
| We don't care who became president. | ||
| We stay neutral on political thoughts and the Iraq War. | ||
| A bunch of hardcore conservatives, though. | ||
| Maybe now. | ||
| A historically neutral group of people. | ||
| Apropos of nothing, now get the danger. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| We didn't care who became president. | ||
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| It could have been the white guy or another white guy, but it turned out it was. | ||
| It wasn't, so now we care who became president. | ||
| It really is hard to hear him say, like, there's these hardcore conservative groups that probably wouldn't have listened during Bush, but now understand the danger and not hear the fucking code in there. | ||
| It's so crazy to me. | ||
| You said it! | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| You didn't even hide it! | ||
| You said they weren't paying attention during a white president, and then a black president was elected, and now they're waking up a bunch of hardcore conservatives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, uh, this is another clip here. | ||
| Uh, well, I mean, just also to stress, and I paused it, but, like, I love it anytime Alex complains about people shitting on other patriot leaders, because that's literally, he hates Savage back then. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| In 2009, he fucking shits on Savage all the time. | ||
| Shits on Glenn Beck, hates Fox News, all the, like, all the people that he's now, well, except for Glenn Beck, but all these other people who he's, like, in bed with, oh, you guys are all fake. | ||
| You guys are led by the globalists. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex makes a proclamation here, and I think this is like the moment where Alex is like, I love you, Stuart. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We're all going to die anyway. | ||
| No one gets out of here alive. | ||
| So what counts is whether you leave your children free. | ||
| That's all that matters. | ||
| That's all that matters. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And take it back to your analogy there. | ||
| They want you to think it's hopeless. | ||
| Yeah, it's like you're staring into the... | ||
| You're seeing only their propaganda. | ||
| If all you do is... | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He's staring into the crystal, and it's a TV set. | ||
| It's only what Mordor wants them to see. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Stop it with a metaphor. | ||
| It's going too far. | ||
| So in this next clip, Stuart makes a claim, and then I will discuss some of the problems with this claim. | ||
| You know what I really love? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Out of my violent militias. | ||
| An expression that we're all going to die anyways, so it's not about my life. | ||
| It is about my children's lives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I want out of my... | ||
| It's almost like you have to secure a future for white children. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| One in which you maybe aren't alive anymore. | ||
| For some reason, probably cancer. | ||
| I know some people who have 14 words about that. | ||
| So in this clip, I think Stuart says one of the most demonstrably not true things. | ||
| And then on the other end, I will demonstrate why it's not true. | ||
| And here's the thing about Oath Keepers. | ||
| It's positive. | ||
| That's why people respond to it so much. | ||
| It's positive. | ||
| It's not just more negativity. | ||
| They're starting to see the other side. | ||
| Look, like you said, we have the strength. | ||
| We have the strength. | ||
| It's a positive organization, Jordan. | ||
| Jordan? | ||
| So they provide free breakfasts to children in impoverished black communities, right? | ||
| No, that's usually liberal groups that do that. | ||
| So, Rhodes, Stuart Rhodes, insists that his group, the Oath Keepers, is just a fellowship of patriotic former law enforcement and enlisted people who see tyranny rising and are united by their promise to hold true to their enlistment oaths to protect America from enemies foreign and domestic. | ||
| Also, when I was writing that sentence, I forgot that a lot of them are also current law enforcement and military people. | ||
| Yeah, that's awesome. | ||
| But be that as it may, a closer analysis of their actions show that that's not even close to the truth, and that they're actually an organization that fosters domestic terrorists and subscribes to a crypto-racist worldview. | ||
| On April 15, 2009, Oathkeeper Daniel Knight Hayden tweeted out that he was, quote, locked and loaded for the Oklahoma State Capitol. | ||
| Let's see what happens. | ||
| In another tweet, he said, quote, maybe it's time to die. | ||
| Let's see if I can video record the highway patrol at the entrance of the Oklahoma State Capitol while trying to inform them of the Oath Keepers and post it to the Internet. | ||
| Since I live on this sorry fucking state, that's as good a place as any to die and start a war, all capital letters. | ||
| And no matter what happens, post it on the Internet immediately and send it to Alex Jones. | ||
| He's such a positive member of this positive group. | ||
| He would go on to say, quote, The war will start on the steps of the Oklahoma State Capitol. | ||
| I will cast the first stone. | ||
| In the meantime, I await the police. | ||
| Start the killing now. | ||
| I am willing to be the first death. | ||
| Though he was an avowed member of both the Tea Party and the Oath Keepers, right-wing outlets like the Free Republic immediately began trying to paint Hayden as a leftist. | ||
| And how this was just a plot to make right-wing groups look bad. | ||
| False flag! | ||
| This had happened a month after this interview on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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That soon the group started in April. | |
| And within two months they had a domestic terrorist. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Good work, guys. | ||
| On January 10, 2010, former Marine and Oathkeeper Charles Dyer was arrested on charges of raping a seven-year-old child. | ||
| When authorities searched his home, they found a grenade launcher that was reported as stolen from a California military base. | ||
| Previously, Dyer had been charged with, quote, making disloyal comments or statements in reference to YouTube videos he had released where he actively called for armed violent resistance to the government. | ||
| He was acquitted of the charges and would go on to produce videos where he literally said that he intended to become a domestic terrorist. | ||
| True to his word, when Charles was due to appear in court for his trial, he didn't show up and ended up leading the FBI on an almost week-long manhunt, during which time he posted cryptic threats to law enforcement that they better not catch up with him. | ||
| When he was finally caught without incident and tried, the charges related to the grenade launcher were dropped when he claimed that he didn't know it was a grenade launcher and thought it was a flamethrower. | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How is that an excuse? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's enough? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Oh, I didn't know this nuclear bomb was a nuclear bomb. | ||
| I thought it was just one of the big ones that killed thousands. | ||
| The child rape charges, however, he was found guilty of and sentenced to 30 years in prison. | ||
| As all the legal trouble mounted and these things came to light, Stuart Rhodes attempted to distance himself and the Oath Keepers from Charles Dyer. | ||
| He claimed that Dyer hadn't paid the $30 membership fee, so he wasn't really an Oath Keeper, despite the fact that there is no fee to become a member of the group. | ||
| Rhodes didn't want to own Dyer as one of his own members, which is really difficult to square with the reality, because videos produced by Oath Keepers list Charles Dyer as the group's, quote, official liaison to the Marine Corps. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait! | ||
| He wasn't even just not a member who didn't pay the fee. | ||
| He was in high standing. | ||
| He was their official liaison to the Marine Corps. | ||
| To make matters worse, Dyer had spoken at a 4th of July 2009 Tea Party event as a representative of the Oath Keepers, and the publication Hate Trackers found a note... | ||
| He was a consultant. | ||
| Again, we see this trend continuing of people gleefully profiting off radicalizing people and encouraging them down a violent, dangerous path, then pretending they had nothing to do with them once the radicalized party reaches the logical conclusion of the path they were on. | ||
| You know, I just don't see how this is relevant to modern day. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| I just don't see any kind of parallels here. | ||
| Why are we even doing this episode, Dan? | ||
| It's so dated! | ||
| Then, of course, there was the case of Darren Huff, the Oathkeeper who plotted to take over Madisonville, Tennessee, with the help of his militia buddies. | ||
| We talked about this on the last episode, so there's no need to dwell on this one too much. | ||
| There's one interesting note to make here, though, about how these groups are too cowardly to own their own filth. | ||
| On March 20th, 2017, Jerome Corsi got on The Alex Jones Show and told Alex that Darren Huff's arrest was the result of the same illegal surveillance that had been revealed by Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo, thanks to their super-snowed-in whistleblower... | ||
| Dennis Montgomery. | ||
| Corsi was attempting to tie Darren Hough's arrest in with the Montgomery information. | ||
| Leaving aside that the Dennis Montgomery information is complete bullshit, Hough was under surveillance because he told a bank teller that he was going to take over Madisonville, and the bank teller called the authorities. | ||
| I'm never not going to love a guy whose plan is to take over a city. | ||
| Like, so then what, dude? | ||
| Manage the city? | ||
| Balance the budget? | ||
| Yeah, what are you doing? | ||
| What, are you going to build walls? | ||
| What are you doing that you think that you can hold the city? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And it's crazy, but what you see here is that no matter what... | ||
| Infowars and their associates exist in a primary role to excuse white violence, white terrorism, white militia violence, because... | ||
| While at the same time stoking it. | ||
| Well, because years later, Jerome Corsi is trying to excuse Darren Hough's attempt to take over Madisonville, Tennessee, because Darren Hough was a birther. | ||
| He was also a really big Obama-can't-be-president guy, so it fits in with their oppression narrative of people who believe the same things they do. | ||
| Because Jerome Corsi wrote multiple books about that. | ||
| So you have him going way out of his way to excuse this militia guy who wanted to take over Madisonville, Tennessee, because it helps them. | ||
| Then, of course, there was Matthew Fairfield, who we talked about on the last episode, who was arrested for making and housing a bunch of bombs, including a napalm bomb, which, according to experts, is, quote, specifically designed for use on other people. | ||
| Matthew Fairfield, who, of course, was the president of the Cleveland chapter of the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Again, not a paltry member. | ||
| He was behind on his dues, though. | ||
| He didn't have any power anymore. | ||
| Yeah, he was behind. | ||
| Then we got in May 2015, Oathkeeper John Ritzheimer came to the focus of the media after he started wandering around in front of a Phoenix mosque wearing a shirt that said, fuck Islam. | ||
| Then he decided to hold that Draw Muhammad contest outside the mosque. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right, dude. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, are you doing any good? | ||
| Are you going to... | ||
| Take over mosques? | ||
| Take the country back. | ||
| What are you going to do after that? | ||
| Well, pretty soon after all that, John would start a GoFundMe campaign seeking $10 million to help him live off the grid because people were trying to kill him. | ||
| Why would you need $10 million if you're living off the grid? | ||
| You're living even more on the grid! | ||
| You're so more noticeable on the grid! | ||
| Everybody with $10 million is very noticeable! | ||
| Well, he either wanted to fund living off the grid or to very publicly try to run against John McCain for his Senate seat. | ||
| One of the two... | ||
| Either living and hiding or running for Senate, probably both. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He didn't either. | ||
| That would be fun if you were living off the grid while at the same time running for office. | ||
| That'd be great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In June 2015, he posted online... | ||
| Vote for me! | ||
| I don't have a social security number! | ||
| I eat twigs. | ||
| In June 2015, he posted online that he was the victim of hacks and he was going to disappear for a while. | ||
| Imagine everyone's surprise when he reappeared in September 2015 to announce plans to arrest Michigan Senator Debbie Stabenow because she voted for the Iran deal. | ||
| He wrote to supporters, quote, We have chosen her as our first target due to our strong ties with the Michigan State militia and their lax gun laws, which will allow us to operate in the manner necessary for an operation like this. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| So, their plan is specifically targeting a state with lax gun laws that will allow them to use guns in a violent manner. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| In a manner necessary for an operation like this. | ||
| You didn't say anything about violence. | ||
| Why are you trying to paint it as a violent thing? | ||
| I just want to know what manner is necessary for an operation like this. | ||
| You're like a walking Mayak document. | ||
| Why would lax gun laws be necessary to the operation like this if there weren't a use for these guns? | ||
| It's really suspicious that that is a major part of his consideration in choosing a state. | ||
| It seems important to me. | ||
| I'm going to say that it's a Second Amendment demonstration. | ||
| They're just going to stand around. | ||
| Hold up. | ||
| So they put, like, placards on their guns because they ran out of two-by-fours. | ||
| So they're holding up the guns and doing the whole, like, we don't want anybody to take our guns! | ||
| It's easier than going to Kinko's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the ties to the Michigan State Militia. | ||
| Like, it's clearly militia organized. | ||
| Positive. | ||
| Though he had a good six months of being a very publicly agitating dickhole against Muslims and being an overall embarrassment of a person. | ||
| This plan that he had to go and arrest Senator Debbie Stabenow was a bridge too far, and the Oath Keepers decide to go ahead and distance themselves from him at that point, which is probably smart. | ||
| Trying to exploit lax gun laws to arrest a sitting senator is probably the sort of thing that would lead to Ritzheimer killing a couple people, and it's probably best not to have to disavow the guy afterwards. | ||
| You want to get that done ahead of time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Hey, hey, buddy, buddy. | ||
| You do what you gotta do. | ||
| And we're gonna back off. | ||
| By 2015, they fucking learned that lesson from all these guys who were taking over Madisonville, Tennessee, making bombs, making napalm bombs, raping seven-year-olds. | ||
| It's the sort of thing that you're like, we kind of have got our disavowing game down. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We kind of know the signs. | ||
| After your first five or six domestic terrorists, you're like, hold on. | ||
| We're gonna let you keep going, but we can't have you. | ||
| It's not something good to have practice in. | ||
| So John would go on to take part in the Malhur Wildlife Preservation standoff and operated a website where he sold Fuck Islam bumper stickers. | ||
| In August 2016, he was sentenced to a year in prison for conspiring to impede police from discharging their duties. | ||
| Also, he has two kids and lived off disability checks. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Big government. | ||
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| Oh. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Oh, that fucking bumper. | ||
| You gotta toss that little piece in there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is these same people who are bitching about entitlements. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's... | ||
| Oh, God, man. | ||
| He's totally fine to run with militias and try and arrest sitting senators with lax gun law states, but he has to get disability checks. | ||
| This year, after Hurricane Michael, six Oath Keepers were arrested in Mexico Beach, Florida, while they were out, quote-unquote, patrolling. | ||
| They had their car painted up to look like an actual police car, and all were wearing tactical gear. | ||
| And of course, they were heavily armed. | ||
| The actual police, the Bay County Sheriff's Office, commented that, quote, they're out there patrolling the streets. | ||
| They don't know the area. | ||
| They don't know the community. | ||
| They don't know our laws, and that lends itself to dangers. | ||
| Please leave law enforcement to the professionals. | ||
| So in that case, at least the people were like... | ||
| We're going to arrest you for pretending you're cops. | ||
| But you know what they were doing? | ||
| They were hoping to find black people out doing things that looked like looting so they could shoot them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what they were doing. | ||
| Well, that's because Florida has very lax gun laws. | ||
| Well. | ||
| And very strong stand your ground laws. | ||
| But you understand that's why they show up somewhere like this. | ||
| That's the mode. | ||
| Yeah, they're itching to fire their automatic weapons at a human being. | ||
| Well, a specific type of human being. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| These are just a few of the notable Oath Keepers who have run afoul of serious laws. | ||
| This isn't a coincidence, and it's not a couple of bad apples. | ||
| This list doesn't even begin to mention how they were involved in the Bundy Ranch or how the Oath Keepers planned to arrest the Pope when he came to the United States in 2015. | ||
| Now that's just good fun. | ||
| This doesn't touch on how the Oath Keepers showed up in Ferguson and, quote, protected almost exclusively white businesses after the protests there. | ||
| This doesn't touch on how in the Berkeley and Portland protests in 2017, propagandists like Jack Posobiec and his ilk have worked hard to convey the idea that the police and Oath Keepers are working on. | ||
| in concert. | ||
| Berkeley police officials naturally denied the claim. | ||
| But after American Freedom Keepers militia member Todd Kelsey was arrested, I'm sorry, was recorded helping police arrest protesters in Portland, though he's not a cop, it's not hard to see a kernel of truth. | ||
| So, what you have here with the Oath Keepers is an out-and-out white supremacist organization working hand-in-hand with an organization that doesn't like to say they're explicitly a white supremacy organization, and yet somehow always seem to act as one. | ||
| I don't think that you can say, like, I don't know, I'm not, I don't think your assessment is too unfair, but I think that you have a situation where I'm not going to say that all the Oath Keepers are... | ||
| operating on a very racist, crazy basis. | ||
| But man, there's a lot of them that are. | ||
| And a lot of them seem emboldened in many ways. | ||
| And a lot of them, through this brotherhood of folks who are just trying to uphold the Constitution, seem to take that to ends where they build bombs, try and get into shootouts with police, end up killing people, do these standoffs. | ||
| Do a draw Muhammad contest in order to antagonize entire populations of people and then beg for money because of the natural consequences of your actions? | ||
| Like these sorts of things. | ||
| I know that I shouldn't have ended on that one. | ||
| It's the least egregious. | ||
| Yeah, but you have that. | ||
| And then you see the systemic things about how big groups of them often show up places like Ferguson, like in the aftermath of the Mexico Beach hurricane. | ||
| You just see a system. | ||
| They're trying to take over the fucking country and kill black people. | ||
| That's their system. | ||
| That's what they are. | ||
| And further than that, you see Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| Doing very intentional damage control after people that he had buddied up with and helped down the path reach their conclusion. | ||
| When someone who is the official liaison to the Marine Corps ends up going bad and getting arrested for raping a seven-year-old and having a grenade launcher in his house, it's not like, oh, we're going to take responsibility for that. | ||
| You're going to say, oh, no, he wasn't even a part of our group to begin with. | ||
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| Fake news. | ||
| Fake news. | ||
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| When you have the head of your Cleveland chapter. | ||
| One of the big cities in America, by the way. | ||
| Very large city. | ||
| Not a podunk. | ||
| It's not Madisonville, Tennessee chapter of Oath Keepers. | ||
| It's fucking Cleveland, Ohio. | ||
| He's caught with a napalm bomb in his house. | ||
| Nah, we're not going to own that one. | ||
| I still have a hard time just... | ||
| Not going to own it. | ||
| Just like a neighborhood where a guy has a napalm bomb. | ||
| That just... | ||
| I don't like to think about that. | ||
| His landlord had a tough time with that, too. | ||
| I don't like to think about that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's pretty fucked up. | ||
| So, the point I'm trying to get at is this behavior is a defining characteristic of the right wing right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You see it with everything that's going on in the present day. | ||
| Every time there's something bad that happens that's a natural consequence of the rhetoric that's put out, the violence, the excusing of white terrorism, all these sorts of things. | ||
| Whenever there is the bubbling over, whenever there's this guy who got caught and arrested for sending all the bombs to everybody, nah, he's not one of ours! | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Oh, wait, here's a picture of him at a Trump rally from years ago. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| Look at all these stickers on his truck. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| It's a setup. | ||
| How do those stickers look so clean? | ||
| You know, it's the same thing. | ||
| It's an inability to take responsibility for what you've put out into the world. | ||
| And you see it on both sides. | ||
| NBC claimed that they never hired Megyn Kelly. | ||
| They claimed that they wish they hadn't. | ||
| They're on the hook for a huge salary now. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm not saying in any way that everybody on the left is great at taking responsibility for things, but it is a dynamic feature of... | ||
| This world that we look at and that we study, the patriot movement, the liberty people, it's an inability to take responsibility for the reality of the shit that you put into the world. | ||
| It goes all the way back to their granddaddy and hero, Ron Paul, and his behavior with his newsletter. | ||
| It's not an inability. | ||
| It's a specific tactic. | ||
| It's a feature, not a bug. | ||
| You get the benefit of having what is essentially a violent, extrajudicial army intimidating people who otherwise wouldn't. | ||
| would definitely try and vote against you, while at the same time claiming loudly enough and frequently enough that it's not part of your group, that enough people will believe you that they won't do anything about it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's the game. | ||
| It's why Alex and Roger Stone sit down and say, we disavow violence, let's get out ahead of this thing, while screaming all sorts of, you all are demons and you must fall, sort of rhetoric. | ||
| In the same sentence. | ||
| Yeah, it's the same thing, man. | ||
| It's a modern dilemma, and I don't know the path out of it, but some of it has to be holding people responsible for things. | ||
| I don't know how you do it, but you've got to do it. | ||
| I think it's kind of one of those things where I don't want to paraphrase this too badly or too poorly, but if you are stoking white supremacist violence, I know it when I see it. | ||
| You're like the Supreme Court definition of pornography. | ||
| Well, that's what I was referencing. | ||
| I know we can't write this blanket law of anybody who stokes white supremacy is now in prison for two years. | ||
| Because how would you and how could you enforce that in any way that isn't like... | ||
| A random, like, I know you're just a dude on Twitter trying to do free speech or whatever, but fuck you, you're doing two years. | ||
| That would cause a revolution. | ||
| I don't think that's the best way to go about it. | ||
| I know the best way to go about it, but I also know, based on something we played earlier in this episode, it won't work. | ||
| And that is education. | ||
| And helping people understand things. | ||
| Because if people truly understood the motivations of the people that they're believing or that sort of thing or like, hey, you know, they're really just trying to get your money. | ||
| They're really just trying to cause... | ||
| Trouble that they can capitalize off of, you know, basically. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what they said that you're doing with NBC because Soros is paying you to tell me that education helps. | ||
| So then let's talk about that. | ||
| Why do you think that about Soros? | ||
| You know, there is a Socratic dialogue that you hope you'd be able to have with people and be able to get to the bottom of like, oh, all roads end up leading back to... | ||
| Basically, a couple of big lies. | ||
| If you can't understand the basic premise of a vaccine where it's like, you know how you've been sick before? | ||
| You know how there are worse ways to get sick? | ||
| Don't get those. | ||
| And people are like, you're trying to kill my children! | ||
| There's no way people are going to be able to process propaganda in a straight way. | ||
| A reasoned discussion about how those studies that linked vaccines to autism were flawed, that's a nice starting ground, and hopefully you'd be able to demonstrate to them, like, all of these people know that. | ||
| Soros paid you to tell me this! | ||
| Soros hasn't given me any money. | ||
| Here's my tax returns. | ||
| But look, all those people who are telling you... | ||
| Those can be doctored. | ||
| That's why I can't look at Trump's, because who knows what they might say! | ||
| All of those people who are telling you that vaccines... | ||
| know very well that these studies aren't accurate and they aren't real, but they're pushing it to you anyway because it serves their political purposes. | ||
| Why else would they put it in a needle, Dan? | ||
| If you were going to give me a vaccine, it would come in a pill. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Science! | ||
| Alright, you got me. | ||
| They have to make it hurt. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| Alright, fine. | ||
| But you could do that with just about any of these narratives if someone were willing to. | ||
| But what you're demonstrating is exactly the truth. | ||
| No one's going to be willing to. | ||
| And the demonstration of that is that clip earlier where Alex plays the clip of the cop very well explaining what the MIAC report actually says and it doesn't do a lick of difference. | ||
| Alex uses that report still for years after this. | ||
| New plan. | ||
| We need to increase the population of deer to an unsustainable level. | ||
| And then put out a press release that says, everybody can kill deer. | ||
| We got to. | ||
| It's the best thing for the environment. | ||
| So all these people are busy for like a week. | ||
| Week or two. | ||
| While they're in the forest, living off the grid. | ||
| Or doing whatever it is they do. | ||
| We sneak into Congress. | ||
| We do all the right stuff. | ||
| And then when they get back, they're like, wait, wait, wait, what just happened here? | ||
| This plan isn't going to work. | ||
| And then we give them more deer, and we just do this, we just do a sleight of hand with a baby and a cookie. | ||
| Just like, oh, the cookie's over here. | ||
| Oh, the cookie's over here. | ||
| This plan's not going to work. | ||
| Because in order to get the population of deer to the level you're going to need, you're going to have to either fully restrict hunting, and that's going to get them really mad. | ||
| Or you're going to have to start cloning deer. | ||
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| And that's going to infuriate them even more. | ||
| Which is why they're going to be even more motivated to kill these deer! | ||
| Clone deer, gotta get them. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not sure. | ||
| So suffice it to say, Oath Keepers are very bad, generally speaking. | ||
| Not all of them, but a lot of them. | ||
| And I think the organization has, as a whole, been a very negative thing. | ||
| So when he says, it's a positive organization, I beg to differ. | ||
| I know you run it, but you're wrong. | ||
| Second plan. | ||
| Alright, now. | ||
| When kids are like nine or ten, we all send them to the hospital and they all take one test where it's just like there's a woman, not even that, just like a speaker with blonde hair on it, right? | ||
| And the speaker just says kind of like, oh, you look all right. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Just like very passive-aggressive stuff. | ||
| And if the kid winds up hitting the robot... | ||
| Then we're like, into the garbage can you go. | ||
| I'm not saying that we're going to put children into a garbage can. | ||
| You're literally describing a dream Alex had. | ||
| This is so close to some of his terrible nightmares. | ||
| We've got to start thinking outside the box. | ||
| Everything that we've been doing so far hasn't been working. | ||
| I know, but that's not going to work either. | ||
| What if we put blonde hair on deer? | ||
| There we go. | ||
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| So, Alex loves Stuart Rhodes, and it shows in this next clip where he just is over the moon with this guy. | ||
| I want to invite you back routinely. | ||
| I know you're a busy guy, but you need to talk to Ted Anderson, maybe at a Genesis radio show or something. | ||
| You're very, very eloquent, and when we come back, we'll go over the ten points. | ||
| But what I like is that... | ||
| You know, that huge Ron Paul revolution, the first people were like, oh, it went nowhere. | ||
| And I said, no. | ||
| It's a delayed explosion, like in Force 10 Navarone, when they bombed the dam and they're like, where is it? | ||
| And she said, just sitting there smoking a pipe. | ||
| Just wait a moment. | ||
| Smoking a pipe like in Lord of the Rings when Gandalf smokes that pipe. | ||
| And now we're seeing that, and then people realize they can defeat the enemy in the info war, and now they're just blasting, they're picking up arms in the revolution of the mind. | ||
| People are taking the red pills, they're waking up, and I'm seeing people like you from the Ron Paul campaign and others. | ||
| Disperse out and start your own operations. | ||
| I had to leave that in because he hit that break so hard. | ||
| He left no space for an edit because he's so excited about this guy. | ||
| He loves him. | ||
| It's nice whenever he's not doing ads for his pills. | ||
| We don't have to worry about the ad pivot as much. | ||
| Sometimes we just go right up to the gun and then it's all good. | ||
| Although, during this span of time, there was one time where he tried to do a live read for one of his sponsors. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| His sight reading skills are not good. | ||
| And it shows. | ||
| This business is called Home Gain. | ||
| We've played a commercial in the past where he's like, look for the Home Gain gorilla. | ||
| We talked about it. | ||
| It's like a sort of scammy real estate agent hookup site, basically. | ||
| Everybody knows that those are reliable. | ||
| Real estate agents are the most trustworthy of people. | ||
| Haven't you seen those brothers? | ||
| They do property. | ||
| It's called Home Gain, and through an entire live read, Alex says, Home Again. | ||
| Look, Home Again is a great sponsor. | ||
| And then the next day he gets on air, he's like, man, I said the name of this company wrong yesterday. | ||
| I am silly. | ||
| It's home game! | ||
| So, in this next clip, we get to the logical conclusion of this. | ||
| I believe in this next clip, you will be able to hear very clearly Alex Jones is endorsing the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Finishing up with Stuart Rhodes of oath-keepers.blogspot.com. | ||
| Let me tell everybody here how they're going to attack what you're doing. | ||
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That can't turn into a national organization if it's a.blogspot.com. | |
| Intimidation of police and military that speak out, but as more and more speak out... | ||
| It's kind of like in those famous, you know, historical things where we have a church full of people and they'll say, who stands with us? | ||
| It takes about a minute and one guy steps forward and then two steps forward and then everybody steps forward. | ||
| Same thing with the Alamo in 1836. | ||
| The enemy, and I bet if I Google this, it's already out there, it's going to say, don't sign up for this. | ||
| It's feds getting your name in the list and they're going to get you. | ||
| Yeah, that's what the enemy says. | ||
| You have to be, I've always said this. | ||
| Out in the open, resisting the New World Order, speaking out, involved. | ||
| We are the majority. | ||
| We have to shatter that illusion that we're not the majority, and we have to get past the mind game of fear. | ||
| And so I think it's a great idea, whether it's anonymous, you write letters and post things, or other people should start other Oath Keeper sites, more groups, lots of people. | ||
| But it's good, in my experience, just to go past the point of no return and to commit. | ||
| We're only saying we'll follow our oath. | ||
| So, that's as close as you're going to get from Alex Jones to a full-throated endorsement of the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Yeah, that's brutal. | ||
| And thus, I believe the first stage of our 2009 investigation is complete. | ||
| March 19th, 2009 is when Alex Jones got involved with the Tea Party. | ||
| It is interesting that we didn't even consider, like, when you first started this investigation, you did not have Oath Keepers on the list of things we were investigating. | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| We were both like, oh, Tea Party, that's the most obvious popular thing. | ||
| And then you get the reveal that it's the Oath Keepers, and you're like, that makes way more sense than the Tea Party! | ||
| The Oath Keepers are out there doing harm! | ||
| Well, it's like the same thing, like, when we went back to 2015 to see about when he joined up with Trump, and we found, like, he doesn't like Trump, but he's saying Putin is the truth. | ||
| And, like, Putin might save the world, and stuff like that. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Uh, fuck. | ||
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| What? | ||
| This is not how I thought this was gonna go. | ||
| Right, so he didn't expect the not even really nationally relevant Oath Keepers to show up and that be the way that Alex... | ||
| So here's what I believe. | ||
| This is a theory. | ||
| I believe that this marks the beginning of Alex Jones getting involved with the Tea Party. | ||
| Though it isn't the Tea Party proper, it is the Oath Keepers, and they factor heavily into the story that remains to be told about the deterioration of politics that happens in 2009 and onwards. | ||
| A very good strategy to... | ||
| Definitely had nothing to do with a black president. | ||
| Ignore that. | ||
| It's coincidence. | ||
| A very good strategy to ensure that the Overton window is shifted in the direction you want it to is to offer two options that both head in that direction, one mild and one extreme. | ||
| The two sides probably don't even have to like each other. | ||
| The mild side says the extreme is childish and not serious. | ||
| The extreme side says that they're the true movement, and the mild side is controlled opposition. | ||
| The alt-right and the Nazis. | ||
| In such a climate, you guarantee that more people will sign up with the mild side, but the very nature of their overlapping rhetorics will... | ||
| The people will join with the mild and ultimately find it unsatisfying and head for the more extreme stuff. | ||
| Once they start becoming acclimated to the extreme side, they'll find the answer as to why they weren't satisfied by the mild side, because it was controlled opposition all along. | ||
| Because the thing is, the pipe doesn't go the other direction. | ||
| In this example, Glenn Beck doesn't ever de-escalate things. | ||
| No one gets free of Alex Jones' propaganda by becoming a Glenn Beck fan. | ||
| No one deprograms from the Oath Keepers by falling in love with the peaceful anti-tax sign-holding demonstrators and realizes that civic action is the best way to effect changes that they want to see in society. | ||
| The slide goes downward, and every convert to the Tea Party is one more likely patriot movement recruit in waiting. | ||
| I'm not proposing that this was an elaborate plan or intentional. | ||
| That would be absurd conspiratorial thinking. | ||
| But I am suggesting that looking back on this, there could be no worse setup for the maintenance of a healthy body politic. | ||
| Once the GOP started embracing the Tea Party, they were possibly knowingly or possibly unwittingly embracing not only the extreme side, They were also embracing the mild side that really only ever existed to be a conduit to the extreme side. | ||
| And you expand that still further with the way that we talk about our politics, right? | ||
| So it turned into Clinton being center-left. | ||
| And in response to that, the center-right went as far right as it possibly could. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the extreme side of that is gone even farther. | ||
| So then center-left has actually turned into center-right, and center-right has turned into crazy-right, and crazy-right has turned into the violent militia group. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And all the why progressives are over here like, why is everybody ignoring us? | ||
| We're all getting fucked! | ||
| And the center-right, which was the center-left, begins to insist that the only way to win elections is to be center-right. | ||
| And in response to that, they kowtow and they make even further concessions to the hard-right. | ||
| And that makes the extreme-right even more radicalized. | ||
| I don't know how to put a button on this, but... | ||
| What we see here, I'm certain, is the beginnings of Alex Jones becoming the extreme, the mouthpiece of the extreme version of the Tea Party, which is characterized by the Oath Keepers. | ||
| This is his way to get in on the act that he sees Glenn Beck being very successful with without having to feel like he's sold out. | ||
| And I think that will carry through throughout. | ||
| Even when he starts associating more with the Tea Party, he can carry this torch of, I'm the real version of it. | ||
| This is the media, the globalist, tainted version of the Tea Party. | ||
| We are the true 1776. | ||
| And they're a bunch of bullshit Glenn Beckheads. | ||
| Which, again, in retrospect, makes so much more sense than him just jumping on with the Tea Party. | ||
| He still has to act out, even against the movement that he supports. | ||
| I think that's what we see over and over again, too. | ||
| I mean, just any time we go and we find these kernels and these pieces of Alex Jones' history, it's like, ah, I fucking should have thought of that. | ||
| That makes total sense. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But it's good to go back and actually see them, because now we know, as opposed to just guessing. | ||
| So we have this MIAC report, I think. | ||
| With Alex Jones bringing on that cop, or playing that audio of the cop, very clearly explaining what the MIAC report is about, and it not making a dent in the propaganda armor, we see the hopelessness of engaging with folks like this, or at least with people like Alex. | ||
| You see the hopelessness and the intentional propaganda that's going on, as opposed to it just being a misunderstanding. | ||
| In addition to that, you see here the introduction of the Oath Keepers. | ||
| And what you're going to end up seeing, and this puts into perfect context why on the last episode when I told you I went back and I listened to the time around when that guy got caught with a napalm bomb in his house who was the head of the Cleveland chapter of the Oath Keepers and Alex was radio silent. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
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| He is with them. | ||
| So he's not going to cover when one of them has a napalm bomb in their house. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No way. | ||
| I think that if I were in the room, With Ron Paul and those two other assholes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whenever they rescinded the MIAC report. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we would have been, like, everybody would have been talking, having a good old time, and then there would have been that lull in the conversation. | ||
| You know, everybody has a good laugh, and then there's just that lull before you get into the next riff. | ||
| In that lull, I would have been like, MIAC report, more like BIAC report. | ||
| And then I would have been carried out of that room on everyone's shoulders. | ||
| You'd be a hero. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It would have been amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I see a little bit of what this portents for the future. | ||
| I obviously don't know exactly how it all is going to play out, and I'm still interested to see the exact path that it goes down. | ||
| But, I mean, this fits totally in line with Alex Jones' existence from then even into present day as right-wing... | ||
| White terrorism apologist. | ||
| And, yep, should have known. | ||
| Anyway, we have one more clip here real quick. | ||
| This is just the end of the interview between Alex and Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| Sir, we commend you. | ||
| The website, again, is oath-keepers.blogspot.com or just Google Oath Keepers. | ||
| It can't be a blogspot.com. | ||
| That starts a movement that kills people. | ||
| Thank you for spending time with us. | ||
| Really great hearing from you. | ||
| He commends him. | ||
| He commends him. | ||
| You never see an interview like that on this show. | ||
| Not since David Duke have two people agreed more with each other. | ||
| Well, at least he was trying to appear to disagree with David Duke. | ||
| In this one, it might as well just be like, you just watched a meet-cute. | ||
| The two of them be like, oh my god, you love freedom, I love freedom. | ||
| I would, like... | ||
| Dreamcasting, I would put John Cusack in one of these roles, and I would just remake Serendipity. | ||
| So Kate Beckinsale is one of the other ones? | ||
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Beckinsale? | |
| Wasn't that who it was? | ||
| Beckinsale. | ||
| Whatever, I don't give a shit. | ||
| She was in The Vampire. | ||
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Underworld 1, 2, and 3? | |
| Yeah, The Vampires. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think there were four of them. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So, this is where we end our adventure. | ||
| I have struggled through listening to all these boring episodes, but I'm glad that I did because we get now to the end, this reveal of Alex Jones giving his endorsement to the Oath Keepers. | ||
| Which I think is super important, and I think it will characterize the next gears of his program. | ||
| It'll inform the entire direction he goes. | ||
| I think it will facilitate... | ||
| So many of the shifts in his narratives. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that we're going to see a lot of these things that we've been tracking in terms of these anachronistic politics that he has, whether it be he's anti-police in early 2009. | ||
| He's for net neutrality. | ||
| Yeah, this does seem like the beginning. | ||
| The Palestinian situation, his support of Palestine. | ||
| Yeah, this does seem like the beginning of him. | ||
| Because of the way that it's presented. | ||
| We're apolitical. | ||
| We're neutral on all of these subjects. | ||
| We're also hardcore conservatives. | ||
| We're apolitical, but there are certainly no liberals around at all. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| Not one to be found. | ||
| But that's the in for him. | ||
| Because that allows him to feel like, see, I'm still being apolitical. | ||
| This is an apolitical group. | ||
| And as he descends further into that group, of course he descends further into hardcore conservatism. | ||
| I think a lot of that is Trojan Horst. | ||
| And I wonder, I mean, we're getting a little speculative, but I wonder how much of that is conscious and how much of it is just going down that road. | ||
| I would... | ||
| I think some of it is pretty conscious. | ||
| I think he changes himself like a chameleon in order to fit whoever his benefactor is at a certain time. | ||
| Much like, you know, while Dr. Group is around, he's way more into the medical woo and stuff like that. | ||
| When Ted Anderson is his primary caregiver and financial source, it's all about the economy collapsing. | ||
| You know, you can see these changes in weather go along with... | ||
| Whoever is funding his operation. | ||
| Unlike Megyn Kelly, who remained racist through and through, from the Fox News to the NBC. | ||
| You kind of got to tip your cap. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| So we will see what happens in the future, but for now, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| We also are on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We're on Facebook at facebook slash knowledge fight. | ||
| Slash blogspot.com. | ||
| Dot org. | ||
| We got a dot org. | ||
| Dot edu. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We also have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| Indeed, we're on iTunes and all that stuff. | ||
| You know, you've heard a podcast before. | ||
| Sure you have. | ||
| Now, I can't say that the Oath Keepers haven't killed anybody. | ||
| No, we can say strongly they have killed a bunch of people. | ||
| Definitively. | ||
| But, someone who's probably maybe killed a guy there's still a little bit of ambivalence technically about is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |