Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the March 20th, 2009 episode of The Alex Jones Show. On this episode, the gents learn about an attempted martial law takeover of Schenectady, an attempt at outlawing you from having a garden, an attempt to force the population into serving the Department of Defense, and of course, how Alex is wrong about everything.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan? | ||
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Hello. | |
| When was the last time you were trapped on a train with somebody talking on their phone loudly? | ||
| I mean, it's not that far back. | ||
| Certainly, it's a very common occurrence. | ||
| I don't remember the last time, but I know that it's happened. | ||
| Buses for me more. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I got off two stops before I normally do because somebody was talking so loudly and so boringly on the train. | ||
| I could not handle it. | ||
| The conversation isn't even worth reporting back on. | ||
| No, it was horrific. | ||
| Your report is... | ||
| It was horrific. | ||
| Headline, boring conversation overheard on train. | ||
| Oh, brutal. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| It was just so... | ||
| I was so angry that I... | ||
| And my headphones had just died, too. | ||
| So it was like I was trapped in... | ||
| That's the worst situation. | ||
| There was nothing I could do. | ||
| I was trapped in this one half of a conversation. | ||
| Well, that might have... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Somebody might be moving to St. Louis soon, Dan. | ||
| Oh, that's good news. | ||
| Are you excited? | ||
| Yeah, St. Louis is wonderful. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Also, St. Louis, ask my tattooist. | ||
| No. | ||
| Shout out Murphy Lee. | ||
| I won't do that. | ||
| Also, along with Murphy Lee. | ||
| I will not shout out Murphy Lee. | ||
| Oh, he's great. | ||
| I'd like to give a shout out to Murphy Lee. | ||
| I also would like to give a shout out to a couple new donors. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Probably more importantly than Murphy Lee. | ||
| I mean, unless he donates to the show. | ||
|
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Oh, God. | |
| Come on, Murphy. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| I don't know if he has the money for it anymore. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| St. Lunatics, still relevant. | ||
|
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Shut up. | |
| Speaking of relevant, these people are very relevant to my appreciation. | ||
| So thank you so much. | ||
| First of all, I'd like to give a shout out. | ||
| That was a bad transition. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| That was your first bad one in a year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, sometimes you've got to take the rough with the smooth. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You can't bat a thousand. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| If you do, you're juicing. | ||
| Somebody who's not juicing. | ||
| Someone who's just joined up with the team and really appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you so much, Mike. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Mike. | ||
| Thank you very much, Mike. | ||
| Also, I'd like to give a shout-out to someone who came in on a little bit of a higher level, and I may mispronounce their name, and I apologize. | ||
| It's Murphy Lee. | ||
| Murphy Lee. | ||
| One time we were doing a show in St. Louis, and we were trying to get Murphy Lee to come to the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we found him on Twitter, and we're tweeting at him, like, Hey, Dirty, come to the show! | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| Didn't work out. | ||
| It didn't work out? | ||
| No, but in doing so, we did find that Murphy Lee has a pretty good sense of humor. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He keeps calling people female humans and male humans. | ||
| All right, I like that. | ||
| Which is nice. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Yeah, and then the other thing he tweeted that I'll never forget was, Don't nobody love these hoes? | ||
| But everybody loves Raymond. | ||
| Alright, I'm back on board with Murphy Lee. | ||
| You won me over. | ||
| Someone who has won me over. | ||
| Someone who's joined up on a little bit of an elevated level and we appreciate it oh so much. | ||
| Esme, you are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Call home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you, Esme. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I think it's Esme? | ||
| Could be. | ||
| I apologize if I got that wrong. | ||
| I'm not the best with names. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I think that's one of those ones that I've only ever read before. | ||
| I don't know any Esmes or Esmes. | ||
| The one that always screws me up is the S-I-O-B-H-A-N, that Irish name. | ||
| Yeah, Samhain. | ||
| No, I'm just kidding. | ||
| I have looked up how it's pronounced, and I have since forgotten. | ||
| I feel terrible about it, but I'll never be able to retain that information. | ||
| But either way, we appreciate it also very much. | ||
| Thank you for your support. | ||
| It would be nice. | ||
| So, Jordan, today I wanted to do a present day episode because we've been sort of, you know, we were in the past on Monday and then we had our space adventure Wednesday. | ||
| And I thought it would be good to check in on the present, but then I saw an article where Alex was saying that the shooting at that synagogue in Pittsburgh was a Marxist jihadi plot. | ||
| You can stop right there. | ||
| And I said, no. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| This is not even worth it. | ||
| I know that looking at the abyss is kind of part of what this show does a lot of the time, but I think that there's even a point that it gets like, why are we doing this? | ||
| You get too close to the abyss and you get drawn into it and you die. | ||
| I just don't think that there's much point in us talking about that. | ||
| I think that's kind of at the line of where it's like... | ||
| All right, get bent, asshole. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't even... | ||
| What research are you going to do? | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
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No. | |
| There's nothing to sort out. | ||
| There's nothing to look at except for, like, isn't this guy an asshole? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think we can do that in a more productive way through other avenues. | ||
| And our past episode, when we were in the past, was incredibly relevant to the present. | ||
| It's weird that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's more relevant than Alex in the present. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| And so I decided, fuck it, we're staying in the past. | ||
| And today we're going over an episode from March 20... | ||
| 20th, 2009? | ||
| It's only one episode, but that's because I also am going to just say off the top, this is a Friday episode. | ||
| I also listened to March 22nd, 2009, which was a Sunday, and that was hot garbage. | ||
| I've realized that Alex Jones nowadays uses Sunday shows as soft launches for his narratives. | ||
| A lot of the time, if he wants to test something out, see how it feels coming out of his mouth... | ||
| It's a little bit of an open mic. | ||
| He'll do it on Sunday. | ||
| Back in 2009... | ||
| He would just do a recap of all the bullshit he talked about in the last week. | ||
| Wait, really? | ||
| And I realize why. | ||
| It's because back then, more people listened to Sunday shows because it was distributed by MS Communications. | ||
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Oh. | |
| He knew he had a bigger audience on Sunday than he did on weekdays, so he tried to make the most of it. | ||
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Right. | |
| Nowadays, he knows that less people are listening on Sunday. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And so, who gives a shit? | ||
| Let's fucking punt on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| I realize that. | ||
| This is technically March 20th and 22nd, but we're not going to talk about anything on the 22nd. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But we do have an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| I am an animal. | ||
| I am vicious. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| We start off today's episode. | ||
| In the aftermath of our last 2009 episode, we had, I think, probably the most substantive thing that happened was Alex got a visit from the guy who started The Oath Keepers. | ||
| Which now is not something that you would want to wish on anyone. | ||
| Like, if you told me that, oh yeah, in about a week you're going to get a visit from the guy who started The Oath Keepers, I'd be like, how do I run away from this as fast as possible? | ||
| It's kind of like a curse. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So we have that. | ||
| Alex has softened his heart, the opposite of that Quarter Flash song. | ||
| Harden my heart. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He softened his heart to the Oath Keepers, and that will serve, I'm certain, as his transition to the Tea Party. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that mystery is a little bit... | ||
| We've got a lead in that one. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Further, where we last left off, he was going real hard on the MIAC report bullshit, really trying to... | ||
| Feign and create the idea that the government hates patriots, and they're taken on over. | ||
| We all do now. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| This is where Alex starts the show, and it's sort of indicative of his mood throughout, I would say, at least the first half hour, 45 minutes. | ||
| You know, a lot of people are waking up to the New World Order right now, but I don't think people are waking up to the full magnitude of it. | ||
| And last night and this morning, it's just been hitting me like a ton of bricks just how serious the situation we're in. | ||
| Just now? | ||
| You know, I don't sit here with pleasure reminding people that over the years I have been ridiculed and laughed at about everything I've talked about only to have people later admit I was right. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And I'm telling you that they're going to kill the majority of us. | ||
| I'm telling you that that comes next. | ||
| Sorry, I laughed at you. | ||
| Because they say that's what they're going to do. | ||
| You are doing exactly what he is. | ||
| I'm sorry! | ||
| I'm sorry! | ||
| He said something that made me laugh! | ||
| It's his own fault! | ||
| The problem with it is that he is right. | ||
| People do ridicule him and laugh at him, but he's wrong about the second part where he's always proven right. | ||
| Which I think is demonstrated over all of our episodes. | ||
| I think we've put together a pretty solid indictment of his truth-telling. | ||
| I think one of the damning things, or one of the worst things, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't remember exactly how that quote goes, but a lot of people with really dumb ideas take solace in the fact that they're being ridiculed because they think they're on the path to being revolutionaries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That is exactly where Alex lives. | |
| Just a note to anybody who's thinking of saying an inspirational quote at any point in their lives – It can be used against you, so don't. | ||
| Yeah, oh yeah, it'll be twisted. | ||
| Be careful. | ||
| Be careful with your inspiration. | ||
| Or at the very least, once again, this is a perfect situation to add the dot, dot, dot, except Nazis. | ||
| I think this is a great one. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| First they laugh at you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Dot, dot, dot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is pretty deep in this kind of rolling around like a pig in shit about how people make fun of him, but he's always right. | ||
| That's kind of his entire headspace, and I'm not sure exactly why that is. | ||
| Because somebody laughed at him a lot recently. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| I don't see any external reason for him to be like, I have been vindicated as always, or anything like that. | ||
| Something weird must have happened to him in his personal life, because he talks about it a bunch. | ||
| Len Beck does hours and hours every day on radio and TV on it. | ||
| He's talking about the MIAC report here. | ||
| But see, I'm always the one that gets to be attacked when I break it. | ||
| Just like it was out for a few days and getting the attention, we pointed out the Iowa National Guard gun confiscation drill. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| They themselves were admitting that's what it was. | ||
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Nope. | |
| It was in the newspaper, door-to-door, asking to search houses and looking for gun dealers. | ||
| How to lock down the tiny town of Arcadia. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| 400 and something people. | ||
| Wasn't what that story was. | ||
| And I get criticized for that. | ||
| I go on air last week. | ||
| It's in Reuters. | ||
| A photo. | ||
| Army troops on the streets after the mass shooting in Alabama. | ||
| I go on air. | ||
| People say, oh, that's not true. | ||
| Now it's in the Houston Chronicle and Associated Press and everywhere else. | ||
| See, this is where the difficulty with Alex back then was. | ||
| He is right about that second one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That one where the troops were out. | ||
| But we talked about that on a recent episode. | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Where, you know, the... | ||
| It wasn't some nefarious let's put troops on the street, or it wasn't even like a let's acclimate people to it. | ||
| No, it was like, we don't have enough police force, why don't you give us a hand here? | ||
| And even they were like, we shouldn't have done that. | ||
| And yeah, it was someone in the... | ||
| We were trying to do good, but it was a bad idea. | ||
| It was someone in the organization who misunderstood his responsibilities, and it was dealt with appropriately after the fact. | ||
| So he brings in the Arcadia thing, which isn't true. | ||
| That was a exercise where they were going around and simulating the idea of looking for someone in a town. | ||
| It wasn't a gun confiscation drill or anything like that. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| That has nothing to do with this. | ||
| But then he is right about the idea of the troops on the street, but he's exaggerating it still. | ||
| So it's like, okay, you get half a point. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| He's absolutely right. | ||
| We really shouldn't have the military operating within our borders. | ||
| It's a really good thing that Alex has that as a principle. | ||
| He doesn't change based on the weather and whether or not the guy he likes is doing it. | ||
| And they're admitting it violated federal law. | ||
| Posse commentatus. | ||
| But that's okay because that's what I'm here for. | ||
| I'm here to hit the barbed wire first every single time so everybody else can climb up over my back while I'm hanging in the barbed wire and spit on me and give me no credit after they're done climbing over me. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Because I'm doing this for all the innocent people out there, the New World Order's running over and hurting and killing. | ||
| And I don't care about my name, what people say and think about me, but the denial does speak to the psychology. | ||
| We're talking about martial law in New York when we get back. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| So, like... | ||
| I love that sign-off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love that sign-off. | ||
| It's like two seconds to break. | ||
| Gotta tease something. | ||
| We'll be talking about the alien landing right after the break. | ||
| I'm basically Jesus. | ||
| Marshall on New York. | ||
| Coming right up. | ||
| I mean, I would say that that's a dangerous level of self-flagellation and the way he thinks about himself in his mind. | ||
| If someone was on the left and they spoke like that, I would be like, you are... | ||
| A little out there. | ||
| You are unhealthy. | ||
| I agree with what you stand for, but you are unhealthy and I don't think you're the right person to be carrying this message. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of how I would look at it just from a human standpoint. | ||
| It's a good idea to at least be like, hey, hey, maybe back off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe hold it back a little bit. | ||
| I know that he seems to be the example I pull up all the time, but just because I think he's funny and I like him. | ||
| But if Sam Seder was acting like that, I would be like, never again. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or like... | ||
| I'm going to send you an email to see if you're okay. | ||
| Because that's not good! | ||
| Who's the dude who used to be a sports anchor? | ||
| Olbermann? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Olbermann! | ||
| No! | ||
| Hard pass! | ||
| I felt pretty similarly about Olbermann back when he was freaking out. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah! | |
| Olbermann, dude! | ||
| I got it! | ||
| Fucking calm it down a bit! | ||
| I tentatively might agree with some of the things that you're saying, but stop it. | ||
| Just, oh, back it off! | ||
| Yeah, it's unhealthy. | ||
| Sit it down! | ||
| When you perceive yourself this way, everything is going to be an attack. | ||
| And when you perceive yourself this way, nothing is ever going to be, like, you're never going to be able to look at the world realistically because you're not looking at yourself realistically. | ||
| Alex is deep in that mindset on this episode. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| It extends here. | ||
| Oh, I promise you, we'll get back to the martial law in New York. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I was wondering. | ||
| I thought that was going to be right up after the break. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| He has to talk more about how he's always right about everything. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| Literally, the Iowa story about the guard. | ||
| We are the ones that pushed that big, broke it internationally. | ||
| We got attacked by the mainstream media. | ||
| That's the proof in the pudding. | ||
| We broke the MIAC report. | ||
| Got attacked. | ||
| Still cites saying it's not real. | ||
| You got one scoop, asshole! | ||
| And the governor comes out yesterday and says he defends it in Missouri. | ||
| Governor Nixon. | ||
| He should be impeached immediately. | ||
| He wasn't. | ||
| You know, on subject after subject after subject, you know, we started the 9-11 truth movement. | ||
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I put my name on the line, did it. | |
| And I don't enjoy being the leader of it. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| It's dangerous doing this. | ||
| All I ask... | ||
| Is that people out there who know we're on record on the front lines, the shock troops, on every key issue, we're there. | ||
| All we need you to do is to realize the power you have to be shock troops as well. | ||
| So the first thing I want to talk about about that is he's using two bullshit examples in order to establish his credibility. | ||
| The Arcadia, Iowa story, complete bullshit. | ||
| He was just lying about that entirely. | ||
| 100% correct. | ||
| Then the MIAC report, the modern militia movement document, it was a real document that someone gave him and he did beat WikiLeaks to releasing it by a couple days. | ||
| But he completely lied about the contents of it. | ||
| He made an elementary logical fallacy about what the inference was of the report. | ||
| And 9-11? | ||
| The jury's still out on whether or not he's right on that one. | ||
| It is interesting that he's so aggrandizing of his martyr status that he's willing to say, we started the 9-11 truth movement. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which may or may not be fair. | ||
| I don't know enough about the etymology of those theories, but it's entirely possible that Alex Jones was a huge part of establishing the entire thing that got much larger than him very quickly. | ||
| How long did it take for the 9-11 truth movement to start after 9-11? | ||
| Well, you could argue that it happened immediately because Alex was on air that day and he started screaming about how they blew up the towers and how this was the government killing its people and stuff. | ||
| Oh, so then yeah, he did start the 9-11 truth movement. | ||
| In the middle of the first tower and the second tower falling down, he was like, government did it, let's move on! | ||
| Whatever time he was on air, yes. | ||
| And then he had Ted Anderson on to sell gold. | ||
| Wait, you still had him on to sell gold when 9-11 was happening? | ||
| That's the time to sell gold, friend. | ||
| That is crazy! | ||
| That's the best time to sell gold. | ||
| The entire world is watching the worst terror attack on America, and he's like, alright, alright. | ||
| 9-11 prices. | ||
| We've got... | ||
| Bullion is... | ||
| 9 ounces for 11. I mean, what better time to override people's sense of, like, I gotta check this out first than in a terrorist attack. | ||
| Of course you have Ted Anderson on the fucking cell phone. | ||
| Alright, that's fine. | ||
| So the other thing I want to talk about about this clip is Alex's use of the word shock troops to define his audience. | ||
| Oh, no, that's great. | ||
| That's what you want. | ||
| I know Alex loves to use military terminology to describe players and his information warfare nonsense. | ||
| But the use of the term shock troops seemed a little strange to me. | ||
| You see, the term shock troops is an Americanization of the German word Stostrup, which is the name of the bodyguard unit specifically established to be Hitler's bodyguards. | ||
| Granted, the concept of shock troops had existed prior to Hitler, generally being a term that was used to describe offensive attack units that would sneak around and attack an enemy where they didn't expect it. | ||
| Interestingly, many scholars on combat view the strategy that ISIS uses of employing suicide bombers as a form of modern shock troop activity. | ||
| And this kind of highlights one of the reasons why Alex is using this metaphor as disturbing, but also I think it's pretty apt. | ||
| Shock troops rarely survived. | ||
| They would go in and light up the rear guard of a base or something like that, but then pretty much invariably be killed in the process. | ||
| In the West, the concept grew out of units that were referred to as Forlorn Hope Units, a name reflecting how dreadful their position was. | ||
| The idea was that these troops would go in, a whole lot of them would die or be severely wounded, but if they were lucky, they might be able to establish a position that they could then defend. | ||
| Often the soldiers would be willing to take such huge risks. | ||
| Because in many cases they were conscribed prisoners who had no choice, or because they were promised great rewards should they survive. | ||
| Alex Jones comparing his audience to this sort of a soldier is very appropriate if you just add the caveat that the war they're waging is imaginary. | ||
| Alex knows full well what he's doing to his audience with his lies and propaganda is the equivalent of mortally wounding them in battle. | ||
| They may not end up with a limp or a missing limb, but as soon as they accept his worldview of being shock troops in an imaginary war with the globalists, it's kind of the equivalent of social death in any community, except for with their fellow info warriors. | ||
| that'll further insulate them more and lead them being more interested in being his shock troops. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| metaphor Alex is accidentally making here and I think it's really sad to think about. | ||
| It's really, it's a real fucking bummer when you realize like on some subconscious level, Alex is expressing an understanding of how much he's crippling his own listeners oh yeah this brain worm kind of idea that he's he's injecting into them well even he in his like I would say Minor understanding of the term still recognizes that the idea of the shock troops is they're going in first. | ||
| They're the ones who are going to take the brunt of the first elbow. | ||
| But he's hitting the barbed wire. | ||
| He's hitting the barbed wire. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| They are. | ||
| He's mysteriously getting paid millions of dollars to hit that barbed wire. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he kind of doesn't actually touch the barbed wire. | ||
| He's just kind of like... | ||
| I look at barbed wire. | ||
| I pretend there's barbed wire here for millions of dollars. | ||
| You guys are the shock troops. | ||
| You run in. | ||
| You touch that barbed wire. | ||
| I touch it all the time. | ||
| Why are you so afraid to touch that barbed wire? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| You're not a shock troop. | ||
| You're all a bunch of cowards! | ||
| Cowards sitting behind your $10,000 a year part-time job. | ||
| It's such a dangerous... | ||
| I make millions of dollars a year to make you afraid of barbed wire that doesn't exist, and you're going to come tell me that you're scared of it? | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| What was I saying again? | ||
| Anyways, we've got martial law in New York coming up after the break. | ||
| I think that this sort of... | ||
| This analog and this language, especially when it's couched in the psychology that Alex is clearly manifesting on this show of like, I'm always right and everyone mocks me and I love it because I'm always right eventually. | ||
| And you guys are my foot soldiers who are out there shock trooping it up. | ||
| I think that's really, really fucked up. | ||
| And it would be fucked up if he actually was right about things. | ||
| But then when you add in that he's wrong about everything. | ||
| I mean, the picture starts to take shape of someone who just wants to destroy people's lives for money. | ||
| It feels tough to get away from that a little bit. | ||
| It's a good racket, apparently. | ||
| Yeah, apparently. | ||
| A lot of people get really rich destroying people's lives for money. | ||
| It appears so. | ||
| And the people who try and build people's lives up for money do not get paid well at all. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's a shitty racket. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But here we are. | ||
| We're back from the break. | ||
| The metaphorical break. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's time to talk about martial law in New York. | ||
| Thurgood martial law. | ||
| That's just some of what I've got here in front of me. | ||
| But I wanted to bring Rob Dew in here. | ||
| The city councilman of this New York City would not come on. | ||
| I wouldn't. | ||
| I guess because of fears or repercussions or whatever. | ||
| But Jason Burmus is from right outside this city. | ||
| And he says, oh yeah, it's legendary for police drug dealing and corruption. | ||
| Basically mafia run. | ||
| And so we're going to come back and play a little news clip from Capital News 9. So this is the story that he's going to weave, and he's going to weave it into, like, they're trying to put martial law in place in Schenectady, New York. | ||
| That's the big story. | ||
| And unfortunately, in Alex's telling of the introduction to the story there, he solves the mystery clearly. | ||
| Because he says that Jason Burmess is from around there, and they have a huge police corruption problem. | ||
| That's what this is about. | ||
| It's not about martial law. | ||
| It's about a deeply, deeply entrenched in corruption police department. | ||
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So... | |
| At the beginning of 2009, the town of Schenectady faced multiple officers who were facing termination, leaving a massive hole in their only 166 officer deep department. | ||
| According to the Daily Gazette, quote, the six officers who may be fired are Darren Lawrence, accused of drunk driving, crashing in a colony, fleeing the scene, and beating a friend to keep him from reporting the incident. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| Michael Brown, accused of driving drunk, hitting another car, fleeing the scene, and refusing a breathalyzer test. | ||
| John Lewis, accused of DWI, threatened to kill his ex-wife. | ||
| and numerous other charges. | ||
| Gregory Hefensteiner and Andrew Cazero, uh, Caz, oh man, Karaskiewicz, uh, accused of beating a drunk man during an arrest. | ||
| And Dwayne Johnson, uh, accused of leaving work four hours early on numerous Tuesdays. | ||
| Feels like one of those... | ||
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Feels like one of those... | |
| Might just be a stern warning. | ||
| One of those is just a jabroni, my friend. | ||
| That's all one of those. | ||
| Did you say that because it's Dre Johnson? | ||
| Yes, of course I did! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| All right. | ||
| All of those guys, however, I do want to have guns publicly. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| You have this list of all these people who are clearly acting with impunity and either beating suspects while in custody. | ||
| Or going home from work early on a Tuesday. | ||
| And beating the drunk man during an arrest doesn't even describe it fully. | ||
| They had him handcuffed and they beat the shit out of this guy. | ||
| And they beat the shit out of this guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the other ones are like DUIs, which you can kind of understand. | ||
| People fuck up sometimes. | ||
| But when you have a DUI and then you beat up somebody in order to not get arrested or, you know, you threaten to kill your ex-wife on top of it, there are things that are like, okay, we got a problem here. | ||
| So their sergeant, Eric Clifford, was caught undergoing a dental procedure while on duty. | ||
| And he told the dispatch that he was, quote, going out on a detail. | ||
| So he was still on the clock and just went and got some dental procedures done. | ||
| I respect that hustle. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| The head of the Civilian Complaint Review Board had quit in January, citing feelings that no one was listening to any of their complaints, any of the civilian complaints. | ||
| He even said that he felt that he was just an errand boy, like a courier delivering complaints that would then be ignored. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| City Councilman Gary McCarthy said, quote, I'd like to go one week where we don't have a negative newspaper article about the department. | ||
| It's just baffling that it just keeps happening. | ||
| It's human nature that people are going to make mistakes, but this seems so institutionalized. | ||
| Schenectady Mayor Brian Stratton was kind of in a tough situation. | ||
| Here he was facing the possibility that he'd have to fire a group of police officers, and those were just the officers that they had potential grounds for dismissal for that wouldn't likely get challenged as cause for termination and result in a lawsuit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Because for better or worse, the police have a pretty fucking good union. | |
| Their union is strong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And so it's amazing how many people support unions only when it comes to police. | |
| Somehow they hate unions when they're teachers. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| Absolutely support the police having a union, but you have to recognize in a situation like this when there are these bad cops that have become deeply entrenched inside the police force, the union does make it incredibly difficult in order to have – I don't know what you'd call it, but like easy solutions are very difficult in that situation because – | ||
| Yeah, but you can respect it because that protection is, of course, in a situation like policing, it could very easily be used politically and nefariously. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So the protection is there to keep that shit from happening. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it also gives you that, you know, six of one hand and a half dozen of the other where it's like you fucked up. | ||
| And you're still protected. | ||
| The same thing is true for teachers' unions in plenty of places where they have the teachers who just go to work and sit in a room all day because you can't fire them, but they can't be allowed near students. | ||
| Like that kind of thing. | ||
| Ultimately, Mayor Brian Stratton had just said that calling for dissolving the department and calling in county or National Guard help while they reformed the police force was a, quote, last resort. | ||
| Not surprisingly, people were pretty against the idea, and it failed to get off the ground in any way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This was just a comment from the mayor, and even in response to the comment, people were like... | ||
| Yeah, you can't do that without the governor. | ||
| So the mayor doesn't even have the authority to do this. | ||
| It was just him trying to express in some way how severe the problem was. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And how he was willing to, if need be, look into this as a solution where they dissolve the entire police department because it would be impossible for them to root out the corrupt officers that were resulting in the population kind of being terrorized a little bit by the police force. | ||
| So now the problem of police corruption in Synecdoche was something that Mayor Stratton did not give up on and it took him until 2011 to complete his mission of forcing out entrenched officers who did things like quote spew racial slurs while fighting in a bar Or of course there was the case of Detective Jeffrey Curtis who quote became addicted to crack cocaine and stole 85 pieces of the drug from the police Department's evidence safe Curtis compromised That's not good. | ||
| In order to get around things like the limitations of the unions, he was able to find ways to convince a lot of these officers to resign. | ||
| He was able to force out ones that he could force out, and he made it his mission. | ||
| He retired having completed what he meant to do in office. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| Good for you, dude! | ||
| I obviously don't know everything about Schenectady politics or Brian Stratton's entire career, but from a lot of the stuff I was able to read, he seems like a really good success story. | ||
| In many ways, in terms of setting out, when you get into office, you realize, oh shit, look at all this. | ||
| Look at this mess. | ||
| Our budget is completely fucked. | ||
| The police force is a disaster. | ||
| And you set about trying to make changes. | ||
| And along the way, you make a statement like, we're willing to call in National Guard and county officers if we have to dissolve the department. | ||
| And propagandists like Alex jump all over that instead of looking at like, oh my god, there's a lot of positive reforms this person was able to make. | ||
| And he didn't actually do anything resembling martial law. | ||
| It's almost like the bureaucracy worked. | ||
| The real bad part about this story is that Alex and Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article about this. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| And Stratton responded. | ||
| Oh, that's super not good. | ||
| You never should have done that, Stratton. | ||
| Yeah, because then they just turned that... | ||
| That'll be later. | ||
| Alex will talk about that when that actually happens a couple weeks down the road or whatever. | ||
| But you don't do that because then they just get to dance on your letter or whatever. | ||
| They get to lie about what your letter says. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So anyway, suffice it to say, Brian Stratton seems like a civil servant who did a great job and helped the people of Schenectady quite a bit. | ||
| And Alex is a complete liar, which leads us to this next clip. | ||
| Why do people doubt us? | ||
| I mean, you can check us out every time, and it's true. | ||
| I do. | ||
| We know how things work. | ||
| This is what I do. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| Full-time. | ||
| Maybe you should be part-time. | ||
| So, I mean, here we have Alex starting the show off, and the entire thing is about, like, I'm right all the time, and people hate me. | ||
| We have this New York martial law story that's a complete lie that he's spinning. | ||
| And then he's like, why does everyone fucking doubt us? | ||
| This is why, Alex. | ||
| And it doesn't help the guests that he have. | ||
| Seem to not be hard-hitting interviews. | ||
| It seems like, look, if you're a politician, I get it a lot of the time, you have to hold back, be diplomatic, learn how to speak correctly. | ||
| There should be a few exceptions, though, where you're allowed to just go be like, fuck that guy. | ||
| Your response to Alex should always just be, you should be allowed in all public, like nobody is allowed to write FCC complaints or whatever. | ||
| If you just go on TV and say, oh, Alex said what? | ||
| Fuck that guy. | ||
| End. | ||
| We remove the taboo of, like, teeing off on him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you get one. | ||
| Yeah, I don't disagree with that being a policy. | ||
| Yeah, I like it. | ||
| So, like I said, Alex... | ||
| Let's call Stratton and see if he can get that in and take care of. | ||
| So, we get here now, like I said, Alex's guests are very not hard-hitting, which is another reason why people are like, what the fuck? | ||
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Why... | |
| You know, people critique him, rightly, because he has... | ||
| A lot of the time, he has his sponsors on the show, and they're not announced as his sponsors, or if they are, it's just them telling stories and weaving narratives that help them sell things, like this appearance by Steve Schenk, Alex Jones' eFood Direct sponsor. | ||
| I want to bring up for the balance of this hour, before all these in-studio guests and the financial news, because it's perfect timing with all that's happening, to give us an update on what's happening in the food world, and that's Steve Schenck of the J. Michael Stevens Group, eFoodsDirect.com. | ||
| Sir, what do you think of the last three or four minutes of news I was covering? | ||
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Well, I think it's absolutely in accord with what you and I were going to talk about with HR 875 and S425, Where they're moving on food just as you and I have talked about for the last three years. | |
| Moving on it like a bitch! | ||
| So now we have a situation here where he has his food sponsor on who sells... | ||
| Survival buckets, basically. | ||
| Who's coming in to talk about this legislation that, Alex, we mentioned it in passing on a recent episode where you're like, why are we talking about this? | ||
| Because it was that idea of the community gardens in Tulsa, where it's just like, no, they're talking about where's the budget for upkeep and things like that. | ||
| It's not about trying to... | ||
| But now Alex has weaved this narrative into being like, they're going to try and encroach on you to such an extent that you won't be able to have a... | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Yeah, so that's what the story is now. | ||
| I just don't understand why he doesn't say we're going to go to the Shank Tank and talk to Steve Shank. | ||
| I don't understand that at all. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| That's right there. | ||
| If Alex had a little bit more morning zoo in him, that might be a little more entertaining. | ||
| It's right there! | ||
| Yeah, it's on a tee. | ||
| There's a fun little bit of internet hysteria that went around in early 2009 where conservative conspiracy theorists were trying to argue that the government was trying to take away your right to have a home garden. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| There was a bill. | ||
| It was called H.R. 875, which is what Steve Schenck just brought up as a House resolution. | ||
| The sponsor of that bill, Representative Rosa DeLauro, was more than fair with her response to that sort of nonsense. | ||
| According to the Huffington Post, quote, Deloro says that she's open to making technical | ||
| changes in the bill if any small farmers remain concerned that the bill is aimed at them. | ||
| The article goes on to say, quote, I think I could help her sort that mystery right out very easily. | ||
| It's a false libertarian who's spreading this on his dumb radio show. | ||
| And he could be inspired less by righteous hatred of regulation and more by... | ||
| Moneyed interests who have a... | ||
| Who are literally on his show right now? | ||
| Who have a stake in the game, you might say. | ||
| They could have a big ol' shank in the game, you might say. | ||
| Also, this bill died in committee, just like the identical bill that Rosa DeLauro introduced the year prior. | ||
| Alex wasn't complaining about it back then, I don't know why. | ||
| So also, S-425 is the other bill that... | ||
| Shank brings up. | ||
| That was the Senate version of the bill, and it too died in committee. | ||
| The last action on it was taken on February 12th, or, if you're keeping score, one month before this episode we're listening to now. | ||
| The House version was sent back to committee on February 4th. | ||
| All of this is just lies about what the text of bills say that didn't even get voted on. | ||
| The only reason they're covering this at all is because it's something that's very easy to craft into the narrative of government encroachment. | ||
| Plus, it has the added benefit of being something that's easy to twist into being about big food, like Monsanto trying to crush your home garden so you rely on them for food. | ||
| When in reality, the bill was written, it was specifically designed to regulate big interstate companies that had nothing to do with gardens. | ||
| Like Monsanto. | ||
| Basically, it's just a sales pitch that allows Steve Schenck and his eFoods Direct to enjoy some of that imaginary victim status that Alex Jones loves so very much and uses to sell his shit. | ||
| They want to be victims so bad while running everything and ruining people's lives. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| Why do you fetishize victimhood so much? | ||
| I think it's because something that we don't ever really take too into consideration is that it's super powerful as a motivator for people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that they're exploiting fear and empathy at the same time. | ||
| Because I think some people would be like, oh, we have to stop this. | ||
| They're going to shut down Steve Schenck's ability to help us get food. | ||
| So there's a kernel of the empathy that people have for Steve Schenck, in this case, or for Alex. | ||
| They probably have some misplaced empathy towards him when he presents himself as a victim of all this shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That I think that any emotional response is something that people can use to get you to override your better. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think there's something to that. | ||
| I think it's a... | ||
| I stopped short of calling it brilliant. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| You caught yourself real quick. | ||
| Yeah, it's a powerful marketing tool. | ||
| It's an effective technique. | ||
| Yes, I think so. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Also, ooh, shit. | ||
| I completely forgot about this. | ||
| What did you forget about? | ||
| I meant to talk about this up top at the beginning of the show. | ||
| So everyone's dancing all over Jacob Wall, and I'm thrilled about that. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's hilarious. | ||
| That was the dumbest press conference. | ||
| That was astonishingly dumb. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| The other guy there. | ||
| Yes, Berkman. | ||
| Jack Berkman had his fly down. | ||
| Yes, I know! | ||
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How?! | |
| Now... | ||
| How is that real?! | ||
| That's not what I wanted... | ||
| That can't be real! | ||
| That's not what I wanted to bring up, although it is fun. | ||
| He had his fly down! | ||
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At a press conference that he was giving! | |
| If listeners, long-time listeners to the show, might recognize the name Jack Berkman, and the reason for that is we went over a long, like maybe nine, ten months ago, we went over Alex Jones trying to tell the story of a Seth Rich investigator who got shot, and it turns out that that was just a situation where he had hired another crazy guy to work with him, and then they had a little work squabble. | ||
| The guy who got shot was Jack Berkman. | ||
| Jack Berkman. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's nice to have these... | ||
| I wish people would report on that. | ||
| I know there's other stuff, but that was a really fun... | ||
| That's a really fun piece of our past, and when I realized that was him, I guffawed quite heavily. | ||
| Ow! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How? | ||
| It's pretty amazing. | ||
| These people just don't go away. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| They just don't go away. | ||
| They just keep doing bullshit. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| So, actually, on the episode... | ||
| The stick-tuativeness is sometimes a good thing, but sometimes you just gotta walk away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On the episode where we were talking about Alex telling that story and, like, covering it as news, I was like, I don't know enough about Jack Berkman to say that he's a dirty propagandist. | ||
| I now do. | ||
| I'd like to go back in time and retroactively affirm that on our old episode. | ||
| So consider that me giving notice to that old episode. | ||
| If you go back and listen to that old episode in a week, it'll have like a little combo breaker part where you're like, yep, bullshit, conservative propagandist, moving on. | ||
| I don't have nearly the amount of time to go back and find, I don't even remember what episode that was. | ||
| I have no idea when we did it. | ||
| Somebody's got our back. | ||
| So, in this next clip, the MIAC report is a super big piece of Alex Jones' current milieu. | ||
| Still going. | ||
| But he also has that story that he pitched on, we heard it on Monday's episode, where he has this forced volunteering bill that, if you recall, Alex is reporting on the introduced version of the bill as opposed to the past version of the bill that had the sort of mandatory service aspect of it stripped out from it. | ||
| Right, because mandatory service is never a good idea. | ||
| No, he's lying entirely about the nature of the article, but he brings it up again, and man, this has evolved over the course of a couple days. | ||
| This is so much scarier now. | ||
| All over the country, Obama has, and of course Bush started all of this, but flawlessly, seamlessly, they're continuing it, like relay runners passing a baton. | ||
| That they are going to have martial law in the states and cities and the tent cities and FEMA camps and forced service. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be terrible if somebody wanted to build fucking tent cities. | ||
| They have a law that's now passed the House, but separately the Army issued a directive a few weeks ago for a million-person civilian army that will be under a draft. | ||
| It says compulsory. | ||
| It doesn't say draft. | ||
| It says compulsory service. | ||
| 18 to 24. And that you will be directed inside the United States or anywhere else on the planet, including war zones. | ||
| So these poor little Obamanoids and everybody else, I guess for that matter, will be directed. | ||
| They also have a Senior Corps, a Green Corps, where they will decide what you're going to be and do, and then you will serve them. | ||
| It has passed the House. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| Still the public is in denial about that. | ||
| Meanwhile... | ||
| The mayor of Shinactity, New York, shares options martial law over police woes. | ||
| Ozzy Man Damus, the mayor of Shinactity. | ||
| So there we get another, like, he's just reading that martial law headline and connecting it. | ||
| All right, children, you're 18 to 24. We need you to volunteer. | ||
| There's a lot going on. | ||
| We need you to build homes. | ||
| We need you to build gardens. | ||
| We need you to fix roads. | ||
| We need you to go read to people in the hospice. | ||
| In war zones. | ||
| That's where you gotta go. | ||
| We're taking you straight to the Afghanistani hospice. | ||
| See... | ||
| It's a candy stripe! | ||
| It's very complicated, because what he's doing now is he's trying to combine things, like different things, and then make them seem like the same thing. | ||
| So he's talking about, like, he mentioned a Department of Defense directive in there, and then talked about a bunch of other bullshit that I can't even figure out where he's getting all that other stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Made enough. | ||
| Some of the things about, like, war zones and stuff like that, that's from the Department of Defense directive, which we'll talk about in a minute. | ||
| But then, without... | ||
| He's still mentioning that he's shifting topics. | ||
| He's like, I passed the house! | ||
| And what passed the house is that stripped-down version of, what was it, House Resolution 1388. | ||
| So, like, he's trying to play fast and loose with all these details, pretending that it's all the same, and none of it's real, and none of it matters! | ||
| It's all crazy. | ||
| That's great work. | ||
| That's great work on his part to spin fucking bullshit out of nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's tough to do. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So in this next clip, he brings up the directive. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and jump right into it so we can have a fuller picture and talk about that a little. | ||
| I mean, this is classical, as bad as it gets, the most stinking tyranny. | ||
| And I wanted to nexus that in with a story from Infowars.net. | ||
| Steve Watson, January 30th of this year, two months ago. | ||
| Defense Department announced a civilian expeditionary force. | ||
| We've got a link to the bill there. | ||
| We have a link to a nexus of the bill. | ||
| We have a link to a nexus of the bill. | ||
| Defense Department Directive 140410. | ||
| Management retains the authority to direct and assign civilian employees, either voluntary or involuntary, or on an unexpected basis to accomplish DOD missions domestically or internationally. | ||
| And it says that you will be forced to deploy. | ||
| So there you have it, exactly what they said they were going to do decades ago. | ||
| It's now happening. | ||
| So I think that there's one word that Alex is hoping you didn't hear in there, and that is employee. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because this is about DOD employees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're mandatorily... | ||
| It's part of their service. | ||
| They call them civilian employees because there's a lot of people in the military who work for the DOD. | ||
| So civilian employee doesn't mean citizen of the United States who's being conscribed into service for the DOD. | ||
| It's non-military personnel who work for the Defense Department. | ||
| Like contractors. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So if you look at this, because you can find... | ||
| Also, if it is the DOD, and even if he is right, what kind of idiot would just grab some random person and be like, now go achieve the DOD's mission? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would take more money to train them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you can find this. | ||
| It is the DOD Directive 1404.10. | ||
| You can find it. | ||
| I read it. | ||
| I have a link of it if you want it. | ||
| It's all just about employee stuff. | ||
| And the part that Alex is cherry-picking that quote because it says mandatory or willing or unwilling reassignment and stuff like that. | ||
| And he doesn't read what came right before that in the text. | ||
| DoD civilian employees in EE or NCE positions may be directed to accept deployment requirements of the position. | ||
| However, whenever possible, the DoD civilian expeditionary workforce will be asked to serve expeditionary requirements voluntarily. | ||
| Now, the important thing there is EE means emergency essential, and NCE means non-combat essential, which is to say that the position is essential but doesn't involve combat. | ||
| This is entirely about essential positions and how we will try to accommodate you as best as possible. | ||
| We want this to be voluntary, but because these positions are essential, we might have to reorganize in such a way where you go to a position you don't necessarily want to be in. | ||
| And if you don't want to be in that, guess what? | ||
| Because you are an employee, You can quit. | ||
| You don't have to go. | ||
| No matter what, you are at will. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But they do also accept volunteers. | ||
| The civilian expeditionary workforce accepts volunteers. | ||
| But if you go to their website and you read their FAQ page, there is a question, quote, as a volunteer, are there any negative consequences if I decline an opportunity? | ||
| The answer, quote, As an employee volunteer, you cannot be directed to serve an expeditionary requirement. | ||
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So that's not a possibility. | |
| Also, there's extensive... | ||
| It's almost like all of these people have already thought of the things that he is going to bitch about and have written them into the rules so that he cannot bitch about them, and yet somehow he still does! | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And if you go to their website, there's a list of extensive training requirements that you have to undergo. | ||
| And these positions are pretty high-paying positions. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Like, these aren't something where it's, like, exactly what you were saying, like picking someone off the street. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, whatever. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| So in Steve Watson's article, he writes at the beginning of the article, quote, The Defense Department has established a civilian expeditionary workforce that will see American civilians trained and equipped to deploy overseas in support of the worldwide military missions. | ||
| Problem is... | ||
| DoD Directive 140410 is really just an updating of an already existing directive. | ||
| You can easily find a version of it from 1992, which still explicitly includes nearly identical language about the deployment of civilian employees of the Department of Defense. | ||
| Also, I found one from April 1992, so we can't even say Bill Clinton. | ||
| You know, it was done under Reagan. | ||
| Also, I found a revision of their manual regarding civilian employees for the Defense Department from 1988, you can find online. | ||
| Well, then it's been happening for 30 years now, Dan. | ||
| Somebody's got to stop this. | ||
| What, them employing non-military personnel? | ||
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Yes, and they've just been conscripting these people in secret, Dan. | |
| That's why we don't know where so many people are. | ||
| It's utter nonsense. | ||
| Missing persons cases? | ||
| No. | ||
| Forced conscription into untrained military action in Afghanistan or wherever they want to go. | ||
| So we now have this bill that he's lying about in the House that is completely different. | ||
| He's reporting on a different version of the bill than passed. | ||
| Which I call lying. | ||
| And then we have this Department of Defense Directive 140410, which doesn't say what he's saying. | ||
| He's conveniently not explaining what civilian workforce means, because it serves his purpose of the idea of, like, Obama is going to come and force you into service. | ||
| He's going to take your kids, and then they're going to sass you at the dinner table. | ||
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Right? | |
| So it's all this bullshit. | ||
| He's connecting two lies into a bigger lie. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| And even then, for some people, that might be like, Obama's going to come to your home, he's going to give you training, and he's going to pay you $40,000 a year. | ||
| To do whatever. | ||
| There's another aspect of this that I want to talk about, and that is, in the mid-2000s, volunteerism was really hot. | ||
| It was a really hot thing. | ||
| And I know this because I went to the University of Missouri and I worked at the Office of Service Learning. | ||
| And that was a department within the university where my... | ||
| And within the Department of Defense. | ||
| That's absolutely true. | ||
| My entire job, because there was funding for service-based curriculum, was to go through the entire catalog of courses at the University of Missouri and try and find ones that could have a volunteer aspect added to the course. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's an easy application of volunteering five hours a week at a clinic or something like that. | ||
| Not hard. | ||
| You just take people's blood pressure from time to time. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The university got grants and things like that in order to weave volunteerism into the curriculum of classes where it was applicable. | ||
| And I know because I was involved in creating the catalog of courses for the service learning department that it wasn't something nefarious. | ||
| There were many times where I was stretching. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Well, maybe this could, you could volunteer at a museum. | ||
| And they're like, that's not really applicable to the course. | ||
| Anybody could volunteer at a museum, Dan! | ||
| It was hot in the sense of, like, this idea, this paradigm. | ||
| Well, it wasn't the entire university. | ||
| Just in the service-loading department. | ||
| But within that department, there was this idea of, we have an opportunity to get people to help where they can, volunteer their time, which is a positive thing for everybody, and they'll also get college credit from doing those things. | ||
| It's not some evil thing. | ||
| About what year was that? | ||
| Boy, 2007, probably. | ||
| At the University of Missouri? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, so everybody else was still into Tamagotchis, right? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| That was what... | ||
| I was deeply unqualified to work at that department. | ||
| At the Tamagotchi department? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My then-girlfriend's mom ran the department. | ||
| So it was a little nepotism. | ||
| A little nepotism. | ||
| But I enjoyed that. | ||
| It was a nice time. | ||
| And interesting work. | ||
| And I think that Alex... | ||
| Probably would see something very nefarious behind even that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And it wasn't. | ||
| There wasn't. | ||
| So all this, like, these moves and these pushes towards volunteerism and stuff like that, that was happening before Obama got in office. | ||
| It was 2007. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| But I believe they, like you were saying, they had written a lot of grants into trying to encourage people to do this. | ||
| You know, I mean... | ||
| But not all of those grants necessarily come from the government. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But the university got money in order to... | ||
| They got money in order to convince people to volunteer, which is an interesting issue. | ||
| It's an interesting way to go about it, but I think there's a net positive to it because you could also have really positive experiences while volunteering and retain it as a piece of your ethos after college. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff like that. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people in the world who would probably volunteer if it was easier. | ||
| Like, the point of entry is difficult because you've got to find a place you believe in. | ||
| You've got to go through a process of, like, saying, hey, I want to volunteer. | ||
| And then you don't know if it's like, all right, put on a cloak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Put on a cloak. | ||
| Smock? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Where are you volunteering that you need a cloak right off the bat? | ||
| I couldn't come up with the word apron and said cloak. | ||
| All right, welcome to the Dementor School. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So, I mean, this is all hot bullshit, and I experienced a bit of this firsthand. | ||
| And to some extent, it was a little overwrought, and it was like an interesting new paradigm for education. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so people were a little bit more gung-ho on it necessarily than they needed to be. | ||
| I don't understand the negative backlash to it. | ||
| As someone who lived in it, I think that's kind of stupid. | ||
| It's very stupid. | ||
| Speaking of really stupid things, his next guest. | ||
| We already had Steve Schenk, who sells Alex food. | ||
| And now we have another guest who has a financial connection with Alex. | ||
| Gold is going considerably higher. | ||
| Gold and silver are the ones who are going to profit by this. | ||
| This is the only place to go with your investment money is in gold and silver. | ||
| And I can't stress that enough. | ||
| There are no more alternatives. | ||
| So, Bob Chapman's here to tell you the only place to put your money, gold and silver, conveniently on a show broadcast on Genesis Communications that's owned by Ted Anderson, who also owns Midas Resources, and started the Genesis Communications Network as a marketing arm for Midas. | ||
| You have no idea how great Bitcoin was going to be. | ||
| No, they don't want any of that. | ||
| Even now, the terrible prices it is now, if you'd bought a Bitcoin back then, you'd be a millionaire. | ||
| They don't want any of that nonsense. | ||
| There's no other place to put it but gold and silver? | ||
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Gold. | |
| Go with the cryptocurrency. | ||
| Go with MaxCoin at this point. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| Ted Anderson doesn't own a cryptocurrency outlet. | ||
| Oh, he doesn't? | ||
| No. | ||
| So they're here to sell Ted's gold. | ||
| We know this. | ||
| We see this over and over again. | ||
| It's like clockwork. | ||
| You already know that Ted Anderson's going to show up. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, he's definitely showing up. | ||
| It's not even a reveal when I play three clips from now when Ted Anderson shows up. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Bob Chapman's there. | ||
| Ted Anderson is not far behind. | ||
| He's there to serve as a fake expert about the economy, talk a bunch of shit about how terrible things are, tell you you need gold, and then magically Ted shows up to sell you gold. | ||
| So here's the part of it where they tell you... | ||
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Now, when I was raping South Africa, the thing that I knew most was that gold was the place to go. | |
| We didn't touch the blood diamonds. | ||
| We left that to our buddies. | ||
| South Africa was too hot for a while, so I went to Rhodesia. | ||
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Whoops! | |
| Whoops-a-doodle. | ||
| Bob. | ||
| So here's the part where Bob tells you about how terrible it is and makes horrible predictions for the future. | ||
| This is right after Alex has told him his stories about the evils of volunteerism. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You volunteer, they're going to get you. | ||
| They're still calling it a rumor, and the bill has passed the House on its way for sure passage, they're saying, in the Senate. | ||
| It's the beginning of tyranny. | ||
| People have read about it. | ||
| It occurred in all the places you've mentioned just now. | ||
| And the plans are being put in place. | ||
| How long will it take? | ||
| I think maybe a year from this summer. | ||
| Summer of rage. | ||
| Employment will be about 22% this year and by the end of the year. | ||
| And I don't think that's enough to get people cranked up fully. | ||
| What? | ||
| 22% isn't enough? | ||
| Sometime during 2010, the riots and demonstrations are going to be happening in America and Way to cuck out your own prediction there at the end. | ||
| Really bold. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The world is going to end on December 12th, 2012. | ||
| But I might be wrong on the timing. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| It takes usually, you know, maybe that's the beginning of the end, so it could be a while after that. | ||
|
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Hello. | |
| Hello. | ||
| My name is Bob Chapman. | ||
| I run a newsletter called The International Forecaster, and I would like to forecast that there will be rioting and tyranny in America by the summer of 2010. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I might be wrong. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| If you think you might be wrong, don't make that fucking prediction, you dickweed. | ||
| Like, don't save dates. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Don't you remember how Skilling always comes up doing the weather and he's like, hey, it might rain. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It might not. | ||
| Sometimes rain takes a little bit longer than you think it's gonna. | ||
| You don't get to play these games and then be like, I'm gonna give myself an escape door here where I might be wrong. | ||
| Especially when you're the fucking international forecaster. | ||
| When Gerald Salenti calls himself a trends forecaster and he makes these dumbass predictions that are equally, they're the same. | ||
| Summer of rage coming next year. | ||
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Summer of rage! | |
| And volunteerism. | ||
| You can't say that you're a forecaster. | ||
| Talking to Alex Jones, who has already many times said he's a psychic, and then be so wrong all the time. | ||
| It's crazy! | ||
| You're misunderstanding. | ||
| What they mean, you know, when you say forecaster, we think of it as like the forecast. | ||
| What they're talking about is they cast fours. | ||
| They're really amazing dice players. | ||
| Okay, that could be it. | ||
| They're incredible. | ||
| Ooh, no. | ||
| Or they play Dungeons& Dragons. | ||
| You can cast fours on Dungeons& Dragons. | ||
| Nope, they're agents for arm models. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| Forearm casters. | ||
| Forearm casters! | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| They're agents for four-year-olds. | ||
| So in the middle of this, they get into just nonsense conversation about how Alex is scared about everything, and then Alex starts yelling at Bob about how manly he is. | ||
| About how manly Bob is? | ||
| About how manly Alex is. | ||
| I was going to say, because you, look, as far as lying as Alex can be, nobody's calling Bob manly. | ||
| It's not happening. | ||
| Probably not, but Alex, on the other hand, manly is shit. | ||
| I am an animal. | ||
| I am vicious. | ||
| You know, at a sick level, I'd love somebody to try that. | ||
| I want to literally rip their head off their shoulders. | ||
| Yes, you do. | ||
| I don't understand how the time somebody tried to mug me in Dallas, I feigned like, oh my God, I'm scared, and started getting down on my knees and grabbed the gun out and literally stomped that guy's head into putty. | ||
| And then people think I'm making that up, like I made up going to Bohemian Grove, or I made up breaking the MIAC report, or I made up founding 9-11 Truth, or I made up making the Obama deception. | ||
| I'm about action. | ||
| And the people are so cowardly, Bob, they think I'm making it up that I've taken guns away from people. | ||
| I don't understand why people are so wimpy. | ||
| I don't think of myself as a tough guy, Bob. | ||
| Somebody comes after me, I can't control myself. | ||
| What is wrong with these people? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We've discussed some of it. | ||
| I just don't know. | ||
| Great answer, Bob. | ||
| How much would it suck? | ||
| Look, Bob, you gotta find a different gig. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| He's clearly getting paid pretty well. | ||
| But not well enough to just sit there through that. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I would do that in a heartbeat. | ||
| What? | ||
| No way. | ||
| There's other stuff to do. | ||
| It would be really hard not to laugh. | ||
| That would be my problem when he's like, what's wrong with people, Bob? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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People think I'm lying when I say I took a gun from somebody, Bob! | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, it sounds unbelievable. | ||
| I believe that he probably did, like, maybe did do that. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I do believe the part about him using overkill after he took someone's gun away, conceivably. | ||
| But the other stuff is all bullshit. | ||
| Listen to John Ronson's testimony about what happened at Bohemian Grove, and Alex did make up a lot of that. | ||
| Sure, he was there, but he's completely lying about everything in it. | ||
| The MIAC report is complete lies, his coverage of it. | ||
| It's absolute lies. | ||
| So every time he tries to defend himself and be like, I'm so real, everyone knows I'm real, and here are the three things that I've lied about. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| But I did tell the truth about murdering that guy one time. | ||
| Maybe, technically. | ||
| Self-defense, I guess. | ||
| Here's the part that won't surprise you, and it's gold sales time. | ||
| This part, this actually is a little bit more distasteful than usual, I think. | ||
| And, you know, gold had two giant days of about $60 the upside. | ||
| And today it was off $2.80 or something like that, which is minuscule. | ||
| And we'll probably have a soft day on Monday, but next week it's going higher. | ||
| Well, let me bring this up. | ||
| It doesn't matter because Ted Anderson bought gold at $8.90 and is passing on the $70-plus savings on the francs and on the sovereigns and other coins. | ||
| Let's bring Ted Anderson in right now. | ||
| How good of a deal is that Bob Chapman that he bought into gold when it was down at $8.90 and now at... | ||
| I think we're just going to have to put a clock on this. | ||
| We are selling out of too much gold. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| This deal only lasts for the next 45 minutes. | ||
| Man the phones. | ||
| And not many people do this, Ted. | ||
| It was a stroke of genius. | ||
| Well, that's what he always does. | ||
| Ted Anderson. | ||
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Yeah, I'm right here, Alex. | |
| I don't know about the stroke of genius, because I think any dummy could figure out that if gold drops right now with what's going on in Washington, D.C. Alright, whatever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, man, I can't imagine anybody listening to this in a non-completely passive way, because I could understand if it's background noise and you don't realize it, but I can't imagine anyone listening to more than one episode of this show. | ||
| And not being like, oh my god, look at these guys running the scam! | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Just the Bob Chapman, Ted Anderson vignettes, I guess. | ||
| Those little set pieces alone should be like, I can't trust these dudes. | ||
| Even not knowing that Midas rips people off. | ||
| Even not knowing that. | ||
| Even not knowing that a couple years later than this, after this point, Ted Anderson will have his gold bouillon license taken away for dishonest trading. | ||
| Even not knowing those things, you just hear something like this, and you're like, oh, this is a fucking setup. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Bob Chapman is the guy who gets you into the three-card Monty game. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He's the one who wins a little bit and tells you, this game's easy. | ||
| Oh, man, I made 20 bucks just like that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I saw where that ball was. | ||
| All right, go ahead. | ||
| It's so crazy to imagine that people could listen to this and not be like, I think they're trying to find marks. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| It is not crazy to me at all. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| It is sad. | ||
| It's sad how utterly believable it is to know that he scammed so many people. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| Well, it sounds like it's too good a deal to pass up. | ||
| Are you saying it's going to go down tomorrow, so I shouldn't buy it today? | ||
| I should wait until Monday, and then it'll go up again, right? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So I shouldn't buy today. | ||
| By your own words. | ||
| What you said, I should not buy gold right now. | ||
| But Ted's got those prices locked in from earlier. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, then that's great. | ||
| It's a stroke of genius. | ||
| The other thing, too, is that I understand that the game is they're playing on fears of the economic collapse. | ||
| So you buy the gold, and it doesn't really matter how much it goes up, because the dollar is going to collapse, and then this will be worth... | ||
| Well, it's weight in gold, quite frankly. | ||
| You know, it'll be the king's currency and everyone else has stupid paper that's worth nothing. | ||
| Yeah, you will have to take a bite at it to make sure it's real, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like an old prospect. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I understand that that's the con, like, that they're framing. | ||
| That's what they're playing on in order to sell things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which makes it weirder that, like, Bob is coming in with, like, it was up 60 or whatever. | ||
| Because that's not enough to matter for the kind of investors who are listening. | ||
| Like the people who are listening... | ||
| probably couldn't afford an ounce of gold. | ||
| And if you buy an ounce of gold for like, what, 800 something dollars and it goes up 60, are you just going to sell it then? | ||
| And then you've made $60. | ||
| I don't think the investment in gold doesn't make sense to his audience. | ||
| It really doesn't, except for the fraud of the economic collect, which is why that's the selling point that they use, as opposed to it being a smart investment, you can make a little bit of money in it. | ||
| Well, and it's not just that, but it's also by preying upon his audience, which is not... | ||
| I'm going to go out on a limb and say billionaires. | ||
| By preying on these people, they are scrabbling together $800 to buy an ounce of gold for a couple of reasons. | ||
| One, they think it's going to last forever and it's going to go up in cost and eventually it's going to be worth it. | ||
| And two, it feels good to own a little bit of gold. | ||
| I can understand that. | ||
| There's something to be said about owning something shiny. | ||
| At the very least, you're like, oh, well, at least I've got this money invested. | ||
| Yeah, there's something to that. | ||
| I just think it's a deceitful, awful fraud. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Quite frankly. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| There's no other word for it. | ||
| This is just disgusting. | ||
| It makes you feel like if you've ever had a bunch of cash in your hand, you're like, oh shit, I'm rich. | ||
| Even if it's nothing to all of these people. | ||
| But the idea of holding $800 in an ounce. | ||
| In your hand is very attractive to a lot of people. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I would like to hold an ounce. | ||
| I wouldn't want to buy it, but I'd like to hold it for a little while. | ||
| Maybe 50% of the people at this table feel that way. | ||
| I'd like to hold it for a little bit. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So moving on from Bob Chapman's shameful display here, Alex has another guest on the show that he's very excited to talk about and talk with. | ||
| Her name is Amy Allen, and she is a musician. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She wrote a song called Ron Paul. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The chorus is, Ron Paul, let's start a revolution. | ||
| Ron Paul! | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| I forgot about this. | ||
| So she's the proto-Taylor Swift, is what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| She was Taylor Swift before Taylor Swift was even born. | ||
| I didn't remember this aspect of the past, but apparently during Ron Paul's 2008 campaign, that song was like a rallying thing. | ||
| It was like a big anthem of his campaign. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Which it's probably pretty easy to do if you're a Ron Paul supporter. | ||
| Just write a song where you yell Ron Paul a bunch. | ||
| He's probably going to sign off on it. | ||
| Yeah, that actually sounds like a good idea. | ||
| There's some interesting elements of Amy Allen that I'm going to get into as we discuss her. | ||
| Why is there interesting elements? | ||
| Why can't it just be like she's a musician who wrote a song? | ||
| Well, because Alex wants to talk about how she got beaten. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| She was the victim of an assault. | ||
| And Alex wants to talk about that a lot. | ||
| And I think it's not great. | ||
| But also I want to make clear before we get into any of this, I do believe that she was the victim of a crime. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not in any way minimizing that, and I'm not making fun of her for being attacked. | ||
| I do believe that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't believe a lot of the window dressing that a lot of people, like Alex Jones and other folks, which we'll get into, have put onto that attack. | ||
| I assume she's going to be exploited. | ||
| A little bit, maybe. | ||
| So here is the introduction to Amy, and you'll see how quickly Alex wants to talk about the attack. | ||
| That's not what you should do. | ||
| They're trying to claim we're a bunch of cop killers when there's no evidence of that, because we're the real American people who want liberty, who want freedom, understand that we have a new world order taking over our nation, and they're very afraid of popular culture. | ||
| Further popularizing the message of liberty, and Amy Allen's gone a long way towards doing that, and she's here in Austin, Texas for South by Southwest. | ||
| We'll tell you about some of the shows that are coming up with her, but it's great to have you here in Austin, Texas with us. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| I'm excited about the movement that you're talking about still continuing. | ||
| In Los Angeles, there was actually Fullerton. | ||
| There was a tea party, and 15,000 people came out. | ||
| To protest the tax increases. | ||
| And a lot of those people, 15,000 people, shut down the streets a couple weeks ago. | ||
| Had Campaign for Liberty. | ||
| Ron Paul should have been president signs. | ||
| I mean, Campaign for Liberty had a... | ||
| Passing all kinds of material. | ||
| And it's still... | ||
| We haven't given up the fight. | ||
| It's still going. | ||
| And folks from the campaign, like Oath Keepers, have spun off and are getting tens of thousands of police and military to go public and say, I'm not going to violate my oath. | ||
| I'm not going to confiscate guns. | ||
| I'm not going to put people in FEMA camps. | ||
| I'm not going to go along with the Military Commissions Act to grab American citizens. | ||
| There is a huge awakening. | ||
| We have police sending us all these internal... | ||
| Documents where they're trying to covertly demonize us, showing that the establishment is scared of the American people and knows that we have a chance of bringing the International Crime Syndicate to justice. | ||
| Now, tell folks how you woke up to Liberty, a little bit about yourself, and then Jason Bermas had you in a few nights ago on the Info Warrior show that he does from 9 to midnight out of this same studio. | ||
| And I didn't know about this, that right after you were on my show... | ||
| It looks like this has happened to me, but they've been punching me and telling me, shut up. | ||
| But beating you with a crowbar and then not stealing anything. | ||
| So it takes him a minute and three seconds into talking with her in order to bring up this beating story, which is a little quick, I think, in an interview, possibly. | ||
| Unless that's all you want to talk about. | ||
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| Now, when she brings up the tea party, you see he instantly goes to Oath Keepers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The only way he can talk about the tea party... | ||
| The only way he can talk about the tea party is through the prism of Oath Keepers, because that's where he's at at this point. | ||
| So that's interesting, because that sort of confirms some of the feelings we had on the last episode. | ||
| But, like, listen, I'm not making this up. | ||
| He really wants to talk about this beating a lot. | ||
| You know, don't talk about beating you with a crowbar and then not stealing anything. | ||
| It was very bizarre. | ||
| It was very bizarre. | ||
| It was three people. | ||
| I mean, there's three of us. | ||
| And they pushed my friend out of the way to target me. | ||
| And there was two guys beating my head and face. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| Just my mouth broke my jaw and beat me with a crowbar. | ||
| Well, I can't see any of it. | ||
| You still look extremely lovely. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| It was last summer. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| They dumped out all of our purses. | ||
| I was with two waitresses, so they had tons of cash. | ||
| I had tons of cash. | ||
| They dumped out our purses, telling them to take our money. | ||
| And they kicked the money and laughed and walked away. | ||
| What do they look like? | ||
| It's important how they were dressed. | ||
| Oh, you don't need to... | ||
| They were... | ||
| I think they were... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They were... | ||
| You know, Mexican gang members. | ||
| So it was either the government or somebody hired them or it was a gang initiation. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Those are the only two options? | ||
| I mean, there were three. | ||
| Someone hired him. | ||
| It was the government or a gang initiative. | ||
| You combine those two. | ||
| See, I thought he said either the government or someone hired him. | ||
| I don't know what happened here, obviously. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I can only go based on her telling of the event and the way that people have used it. | ||
| Amy broke the story today on the Alex Jones Show online internet show. | ||
| She says the police told her the attackers were most likely illegal and did little, if anything, to investigate the brutal attack. | ||
| Amy was leaving a recording studio in downtown LA when three Hispanic thugs attacked her at random. | ||
| They were simply looking for a white person to attack. | ||
| I believe that Amy was the victim of an assault, and I think that's horrible. | ||
| However, I take issue with all the assumptions people make about the situation. | ||
| That blurb saying it was a racially motivated attack against her because she was a white woman? | ||
| That was from Stormfront. | ||
| The Ron Paul forums and the New World Order people, their take on it was that Amy was told not to talk about revolution in her music, and she refused, so they sent a Latino hit squad to punish her. | ||
| My problem with that is that her 2002 debut album was called I Would Start a Revolution If I Could Get Up in the Morning. | ||
| The first single on the album was literally just titled Revolution, and it was produced by goddamn Randy Jackson and Mark Ronson. | ||
| One of the tracks on the album featured an appearance by Pharoah Monch, who was cool in 2002. | ||
| He had it. | ||
| Also, the attack happened in 2008. | ||
| So six years after she put out an album called I Would Start a Revolution If I Could Get Up in the Morning, these New World Order Alex Jones-y types are putting out this idea that she was threatened because she wrote a song or she was putting out music that had revolution in it, which is nonsense. | ||
| It's absolute nonsense. | ||
| It is absolutely using her as a prop. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's really, really gross. | ||
| I feel bad about it. | ||
| Her album was produced by Mark Ronson? | ||
| I feel like I should know her if it was produced by Mark Ronson. | ||
| I don't know if the whole album was, but tracks were produced by Mark and Randy Jackson. | ||
| Randy Jackson apparently discovered her. | ||
| I couldn't give less of a fuck about Randy Jackson. | ||
| Have you ever seen him play with Journey? | ||
| I have not seen him play with Journey. | ||
| He played bass in Journey at some of their live shows. | ||
| Really? | ||
| In one of their videos, he has a bass that's shaped like a craps table. | ||
| That is fun. | ||
| Now that's a forecaster right there. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So I feel bad for her. | ||
| I feel bad for her being in this situation where there is an entire world trying to galvanize race-based hatred or New World Order fear based on her being the victim of a crime. | ||
| I can't imagine any scenario. | ||
| I can't imagine any historical scenario where a rabble-rousing group of white people would take the attack of a white woman and then turn it into a reason to demonize a population. | ||
| That seems crazy, Dan. | ||
| We haven't seen that since a couple months ago. | ||
| When would we have ever seen that? | ||
| This must have been the first time that a white woman was exploited in order to do harm to a larger community of minorities. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| It is a sick bummer, and everyone loses, except for Alex. | ||
| But you can even hear it in her voice when he was asking what these people looked like. | ||
| She had a reticence to talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, she really didn't want to say. | ||
| Because I think there was a sense that she's like, what is going to come of me describing these people? | ||
| Alex is probably going to say something off-color. | ||
| Or it could end up being reported on Stormfront as a race attack. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I think she had some kind of awareness of it, because I need to tell you, Amy Allen is not somebody who's unaware of these worlds. | ||
| How did you wake up to the New World Order? | ||
| Well, I was born and raised in Montana, and so it's a little bit like Texas. | ||
| Since I was a kid, you know, my family talked about wanting to secede from the Union. | ||
| So I was sort of raised with that. | ||
| My mom talked about the New World Order. | ||
| Alcada raised. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She told me, you know, as a small child that there was going to be a one-world currency one day and that we need to prepare. | ||
| So I've sort of always kind of known. | ||
| So Amy Allen was born in 1982 and was raised in a separatist paranoid family. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I thought you were about to say that you had done some research and she was raised in a literal separatist group. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| She was raised in a family that was paranoid about the New World Order and wanted to secede from the Union in Montana. | ||
| This is very telling, as Montana, along with Idaho, was a hotbed of white nationalist separatist communities in the 1990s. | ||
| The Montana Freemen engaged in an 81-day standoff with the FBI after the land where they would hold their mock trials was foreclosed upon. | ||
| The militia of Montana was super active at the time, and their ideology is shockingly similar to Alex's and the little glimpse that we get into Amy's family of origin. | ||
| this little bit of info that we have, but the fact that Amy describes her mother's belief system this way, the timeline, and the fact that they were in an unspecified town in Montana leads me to believe there's a high likelihood that Amy grew up in a white nationalist militia. | ||
| Again, I can't say this for sure, Yeah. | ||
| The 1990s, Montana, anti-government sentiment, fear of the New World Order, those are all Those are red flags. | ||
| Yeah, and we're talking about Montana. | ||
| It's not like we're talking about Chicago where it's like, oh, she could be, you know. | ||
| There's so many people. | ||
| There are like 12 people live in Montana. | ||
| Well, and the white nationalist militias really took hold in Montana and Idaho specifically and states around there. | ||
| It is something that's very historically documented. | ||
| You can look into it. | ||
| I'm not saying that her family absolutely was part of that, but you can't come from a family like that and not be aware of it. | ||
| It's pretty funny that their mock trial space got foreclosed upon. | ||
| That's pretty funny. | ||
| Oh, you're the master race? | ||
| You can't even pay your bills, huh? | ||
| Well, they could pay their bills, but they were doing it by writing bad checks. | ||
| So that was kind of part of the problem. | ||
| Ah, Christ, you white nationalists are too dumb to live. | ||
| Yeah, the Montana freedmen got in a lot of trouble for bank fraud, because they would just write their own checks. | ||
| Well, right, because they don't believe in your currency. | ||
| Checks are your word and your bond, Dan. | ||
| They're not supposed to represent real money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So again, I want to make this totally clear, lest it sound like I'm making some sort of an attack on her. | ||
| I'm not saying anything about her based on what... | ||
| I'm just saying that I don't believe in any way that someone who grew up in Montana in the 90s in a family that was afraid of the NWO doesn't have some awareness of white nationalist militias. | ||
| It's almost impossible. | ||
| Which is why she had the instinctive reaction of like... | ||
| I know what you're doing. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I feel like I need to tell the truth, but I kind of get... | ||
| She is an Alex Jones fan, so it's not like she's coming in and doesn't know what she's getting into. | ||
| She loves his show and stuff like that. | ||
| But I do think it's possible to live in a space where you are into Ron Paul, and you do want to audit the Fed, and maybe you're willingly... | ||
| Blind to some of the other stuff. | ||
| You just have the privilege involved in your life where you don't need to unpack a lot of what X, Y, or Z means. | ||
| And so many people listened and were fans of Alex Jones in 2009 that didn't want white nationalism to spread. | ||
| Maybe not by that point, but earlier. | ||
| There were a lot of liberals, probably, definitely, who were more into it. | ||
| You know, it's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen to this crazy man talk. | ||
| The next clip is just her talking more about her mom, but it's kind of the same thing, except she says she was stockpiling food, so it doesn't really add anything to it. | ||
| We'll get to this next... | ||
| Oh, did I just hear Steve Shank's walk-on music? | ||
| Hello, Shank here. | ||
| Welcome to the Shank Tank! | ||
| This next clip... | ||
| Is something that tells me that Amy Allen maybe doesn't know her audience as well as she thinks she does. | ||
| My plan is to do a tea party tour with the album. | ||
| It's a lot of reggae. | ||
| Um... | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! | ||
| Ha ha ha ha ha ha! | ||
| Tea party notoriously into reggae! | ||
| I hear that that one track from Carrie Cassidy's album is opening. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Huge in the 90s. | ||
| No, this is 2009. | ||
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I know. | |
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| The Tea Party could not be less reggae adjacent. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Nah, I'm going to go with not huge fans of reggae. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I don't understand what he's saying. | |
| What is that? | ||
| Is that words? | ||
| It's using your mouth as an instrument. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So in this next clip, Alex, I can't say this any other way. | ||
| He just keeps wanting to talk about the beating that she was the victim of. | ||
| Well, you're doing a super good job, evidenced by being physically attacked. | ||
| I think that thing stinks to high heaven. | ||
| How long did that knock you out of commission when they almost killed you? | ||
| A very long time. | ||
| A couple months. | ||
| So there's, I mean, there's other ways to, like... | ||
| Talk about this without... | ||
| Which I think is highly suspect. | ||
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Wait, wait. | |
| Why did you say that? | ||
| That's not an interview. | ||
| That's a leading... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's leading. | ||
| That's making a narrative out of someone else's trauma. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not fair. | ||
| It's really ugly. | ||
| Here's what I'm going to do. | ||
| I am going to tell you your story. | ||
| And I want you to fill in the blanks. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yuck. | |
| Yuck. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we're done with that for now. | ||
| And Alex... | ||
| Accidentally tells someone's dirty business. | ||
| Some of their dirty laundry gets aired on Alex's show in a way that I don't think this person wants the public knowing about this. | ||
| You take Jesse Ventura. | ||
| They gave him a $3 million a year contract for three years. | ||
| $9 million. | ||
| And with MSNBC. | ||
| And then he wasn't thinking. | ||
| As soon as he went in, they said, basically, you're not going to cover anything you want. | ||
| No anti-war. | ||
| They had hired him right at the start of the war just to muzzle him, so he left with the money and went and surfed. | ||
| And then now he's back because he can speak. | ||
| The contract said he couldn't. | ||
| He couldn't do any media interviews, couldn't write books. | ||
| Selling your soul. | ||
| Yeah, and literally got his soul backed. | ||
| I would never. | ||
| I think that, first of all, this isn't true. | ||
| But second, like... | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| So he signed a contract. | ||
| Here's the story as I understand it. | ||
| He signed a contract for $3 million a year. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Showed up to his first day on the job. | ||
| La la la. | ||
| He has a little briefcase. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, I'm so excited. | ||
| It's my first day. | ||
| It's my first day. | ||
| I'm going off. | ||
| I told my mom I was working on the TV. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And they were like, oh, now. | ||
| Now you need to understand what we're going to do here. | ||
| You're going to say what we tell you to say. | ||
| And you're going to cover what we tell you to cover. | ||
| And if you go off script for even a moment, you are done. | ||
| And so he was like, you know what? | ||
| I'm not going to do this. | ||
| Give me my money and I will go surf. | ||
| He sold out the country for $9 million. | ||
| I don't think contracts work like that where it's like, oh, I will just take all of my money for that contract right now. | ||
| Also, please fucking consider that at this point he had been the mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota for four years already before this. | ||
| And he was the fucking governor of Minnesota. | ||
| He had already served these terms. | ||
| I think he would be savvy enough to be like, hold on, in this contract it says I can't say shit. | ||
| He's already a super outspoken weirdo who was the voice of the WWF for a bit. | ||
| He was a professional wrestler. | ||
| He was a Marine. | ||
| You know how notoriously terrible professional wrestlers are at understanding contracts? | ||
| He had had a massive career up until that point already in both, let's say, being in Predator. | ||
| I was in the Predator. | ||
| He was in a bunch of movies. | ||
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He had been a governor of a state. | |
| Oh, MSNBC, you got me! | ||
| So if this is true, then that was intentional. | ||
| He just wanted his money and go surfing. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| He signed a contract very willingly. | ||
| I really feel like that's a breach of contract in some way. | ||
| Also, I mean, yeah, you could actually look at his... | ||
| His books, his bibliography, and you could say, oh man, that timeline kind of works out. | ||
| Because in 2002, he wrote a book called Jesse Ventura Tells It Like It Is, America's Most Outspoken Governor Speaks Out About Government. | ||
| And then he didn't write another book until 2008. | ||
| But... | ||
| That's six years, not three. | ||
| So that's confusing. | ||
| Also, it's hard to write a book. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially if you've already said, I guess, all of your outspoken things in a book. | ||
| It's really hard to name books, too, because in 2012 you wrote a book called Democrips and Rebubblicans. | ||
| Let me take another run at that one. | ||
| Let me hear that one more time. | ||
| Democrips and Rebloodicans. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| I was so much happier when it was Rebloodicans. | ||
| That I like. | ||
| Tough to name books. | ||
| So, best case scenario. | ||
| So who signed off on that? | ||
| It wasn't MSNBC, I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| Best case scenario, Jesse Ventura took $9 million in order to not speak out against a war that he's philosophically and principally against and ended up leading to tons and tons of civilian deaths. | ||
| And so that makes him a coward. | ||
| Worst case scenario, all this is a lie. | ||
| Maybe that's the best case scenario. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, I don't think Jesse Ventura would appreciate Alex saying shit like this on air. | ||
| It doesn't make him look good. | ||
| No. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| At this point, Amy is still in studio, and they start taking some calls for her. | ||
| And this first caller is awesome. | ||
| He is so funny. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Do you sing anything about pro-guns, Amy? | |
| Anything about the gun culture? | ||
| Anything like that? | ||
| I do have a song on the record, actually, about that. | ||
| Briefly, I don't have a whole song about it, but all of my work is part of me in it, so yes, I believe in... | ||
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Right now, the gun culture is a big issue, Amy. | |
| Right now, in the small town of Versailles, Missouri, that's where Dave and Joyce Raleigh have their Power Hour show. | ||
| A friend of mine told me last night, he called me and said the teachers in Versailles School are teaching the kids that guns are bad and making them write essays on it in their classwork now. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| No, no, the public schools. | ||
| When you put your children in school, you lose them. | ||
| Wait, wait, who is this guy? | ||
| I know this guy, man. | ||
| Are we at a 7-Eleven and he just feels the need to talk? | ||
| I know this guy. | ||
| Not literally. | ||
| No, you know this guy. | ||
| I've been to Versailles, Missouri. | ||
| I've spent some time around... | ||
| The smaller towns in Missouri. | ||
| I know this cat. | ||
| The city's so nice they butchered a French word for it. | ||
| Same with Avause, Missouri. | ||
| There's a lot of French named cities. | ||
| I'm a big fan of Cairo. | ||
| Cairo, Missouri? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Hell yeah. | ||
| There's a Paris. | ||
| Anyway, yeah, I know this cat. | ||
| I love the idea, though, of like, alright, there's a singer on. | ||
| I'm gonna call and ask, she has songs about guns. | ||
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Hey, Amy, do you have any songs about guns? | |
| The gun culture. | ||
| The gun culture. | ||
| What gun culture? | ||
| The gun culture is very important right now because I just got a report from a very credible source that in the Versailles schools, they're trying to get kids to think guns are bad and if your dad hunts, you're bad. | ||
| I know for a fact that that is not the case because... | ||
| I've been to Versailles, and everybody there loves guns. | ||
| Any place in Missouri, largely, any city that isn't Columbia, St. Louis, or Kansas City is going to be full of that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Also, that's such a bullshit paternalistic move of like, well, I'm going to ask you a question about what you do. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| I hear that in schools they're saying guns are bad. | ||
| And we need you to write a song to help get the tide on the other direction. | ||
| What a fucking asshole. | ||
| We saw what you did with that Ron Paul song. | ||
| Got him elected. | ||
| So they take another call, and this is where the show spins out in a very weird direction. | ||
| Hey, Pat. | ||
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That's why I say thank you to you and Amy for doing a good job. | |
| Patriots, thank you. | ||
| Well, she can read, though. | ||
| That's a sign of Al-Qaeda. | ||
| Very suspicious. | ||
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Yeah, she looks as good as she sounds, too. | |
| Gross. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Well, I just wanted to move on. | ||
| I want to try to let you know about local law A for Albany County. | ||
| They're trying to sneak this through. | ||
| It says they're regulating the purchase of ammunition. | ||
| And what it is, when you start reading this, it's on albanycounty.com. | ||
| Right on their website, you go to local law legislature. | ||
| And here, I'm just going to read section 5 real quick. | ||
| A record shall be kept by the dealer of each sale of ammunition, which shall show the type, caliber, and quantity of ammunition sold, the name and address of the person receiving the same, the caliber, make, model, manufacturer's name, and serial number of the firearm for which the purchaser is purchasing ammunition. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. | ||
| I'm going to hold you over. | ||
| Red alert, red alert. | ||
| Call Paul Watson. | ||
| Call Curt and ML. | ||
| I want to talk to them during the break. | ||
| Call people who can write. | ||
| Everybody else, because our listeners give us all the tips, and you watch. | ||
| We're going to go look at this. | ||
| It's going to be real. | ||
| So he's like, this is why we are always way ahead of everything, because we've got these callers who have got the scoops. | ||
| So if I understand correctly, he is mad because people are going to have to write down... | ||
| Why he's buying ammunition. | ||
| And there'll be a record of who bought ammunition. | ||
| Yeah, you know, a good record for, like, if you see these people shot today using this type of gun. | ||
| It would help in that investigation. | ||
| We can go see who recently bought... | ||
| There's that. | ||
| If you want to just take a little step backwards here, because I know that everyone's very touchy about the idea of any kind of regulation of guns leads to a registration and then they're going to take all our guns away. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| I know that people can enjoy guns recreationally and it's not an evil thing or scary or anything like that, but it is also a potential murder weapon. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And if you really look at it, there are things like That if you buy fertilizers that can be used in bombs, there's a registry of that. | ||
| You have to register your fucking car! | ||
| Sure, there's that too. | ||
| But there's all sorts of things that haven't led to the nightmare scenarios that people like Alex put out into the world. | ||
| You know, this idea of, like, as soon as they have a record, they're going to take all of it. | ||
| No one's taking anybody's fertilizer. | ||
| No one's taking anybody's cars because of these rules that we put in place to mitigate danger. | ||
| You can't even buy that much allergy medication! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And that hasn't led to people taking away antihistamines or anything like that. | ||
| Sudafed isn't gone. | ||
| It's just better controlled because you can fucking make meth out of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can make a substance that can kill people out of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's almost like we should know... | ||
| I don't think that this is that crazy, this proposed law in Albany. | ||
| No, this makes perfect sense. | ||
| But we'll get more into that here in a second because Alex just is... | ||
| You can hear it there. | ||
| He's freaking out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hold on, Bermas, you already know about this? | ||
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What's that? | |
| Bermas says he already knows. | ||
| It's right. | ||
| Oh, my God, Schenectady. | ||
| They announced the mayor. | ||
| He said it right. | ||
| Marshall Law and the feds come in, and it turns out he's one of these special mayors of Obama. | ||
| We confirmed that with his own documents. | ||
| Special mayors of Obama? | ||
| You heard the newscast earlier about Marshall Law? | ||
| What, did Obama elect him? | ||
| He's a smoe. | ||
| No. | ||
| Hold on, my God. | ||
| There are smoes everywhere. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Okay, I've got to... | ||
| Guys, look at this right now. | ||
| AlbanyCounty.com. | ||
| Oh, my God, I'm coming. | ||
| That's the Capitol News 9 out of Albany. | ||
| Sir, where on the side is this new thing? | ||
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You go AlbanyCounty.com slash department slash legislature slash resolution. | |
| That's not how you get it. | ||
| I need the name of the resolution. | ||
| They'll take us right to it. | ||
| What's the name of the resolution? | ||
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Resolution 108, local law number... | |
| A for 2009. | ||
| Stay there. | ||
| Give it to us during break. | ||
| Emergency! | ||
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Do you have trouble sleeping? | |
| Okay. | ||
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Wipe out. | |
| That is rough. | ||
| He gets cut off in the middle of emergency by a hard break. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Do you have trouble? | ||
| So, you can see there. | ||
| You can hear the wheels turning in his head. | ||
| Of like, oh my god, I can connect this to the Schenectady story. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| The propaganda alarm is going off. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| In this next clip, he formally combines them. | ||
| Okay, I got Paul Watson. | ||
| Right now online, this is going to go mega-huge and alert gun owners to all the gun-grabbing. | ||
| We've documented a nexus point in this area of New York. | ||
| They're going to take the guns away. | ||
| Everybody's going to. | ||
| If the caller is what he's saying, true. | ||
| The AlbanyCounty.com is basically crashed right now. | ||
| We can't get on it. | ||
| So, listener, if you have that page loaded, screenshot it and email it to RobD, the letter D, at Infowars.com. | ||
| Now, give us the coordinates for this. | ||
| And this ties into Albany, New York, surrounding county, saying they want to have federal martial law there. | ||
| He, in that clip, it was 30 seconds long, said, I haven't read this, but if you can screenshot it, send it to me. | ||
| Also, this is connected. | ||
| This thing I don't know anything about except for the little bit that this guy has said on air. | ||
| This is connected to me. | ||
| I have confirmed none of this. | ||
| Yeah, it's nonsense. | ||
| You need to email this to Rob Dew after I've reported the story. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| What if it wasn't anything? | ||
| What if this caller was making it up? | ||
| He's now reported that it's connected to this other lie that he's telling. | ||
| No, but it's spiritually right. | ||
| So I don't have a lot to say about this law, because from what I can tell, it didn't pass. | ||
| And it was a local regulation that would be completely legal and not violate the Second Amendment, even if it did pass. | ||
| All I really want to point out here is that Alex is absolutely not breaking this scoop. | ||
| You can find an article about the proposed law that was posted on the NRA's website that uses the exact language this caller is using and links to the URL that he's trying to read to Alex on air. | ||
| That post was from the morning of March 20, 2009. | ||
| This isn't a scoop, it's just Alex picking up NRA's sloppy seconds. | ||
| And perhaps most importantly, it has nothing to do with the story that Alex is misrepresenting out of Schenectady. | ||
| Though the cities are about half an hour away by car and good traffic, they're not the same city. | ||
| Schenectady is in Schenectady County, whereas Albany is in Albany County, so they're not even in the same county. | ||
| You haven't proved a goddamn thing. | ||
| I haven't, but neither has Alex. | ||
| Alex hasn't even read anything. | ||
| Oh, they're in different counties gerrymandering, Dan. | ||
| They're the same city. | ||
| He's just shooting off from the hip. | ||
| Don't you remember what happened? | ||
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The Obama, the special Obama mayor. | |
| Martial law and no bullets. | ||
| Yeah, the special mayor of Obama took over Albany. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It's in their own documents, Dan. | ||
| In the documents. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex congratulates himself for a job well done. | ||
| And everything we've ever talked about is now just being flaunted in our face. | ||
| I have it. | ||
| Registering anybody to buy bullets, keeping records of them. | ||
| You don't! | ||
| You literally don't! | ||
| In upstate New York for total takeover and martial law. | ||
| Put the martial law headline up as they prepare martial law in that area. | ||
| I will now be attacked by national news saying it doesn't exist even though it's mainstream news. | ||
| Then next week they will announce it's all true but Glenn Beck will say he's our friend and maybe it's needed. | ||
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Right. | |
| And he gets that one little petty dig at Glenn Beck. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Hell yeah, I like that. | ||
| You're going to go do a tour with your reggae at the tea parties. | ||
| Remember, Glenn Beck is not your friend. | ||
| Glenn Beck is a bitch. | ||
| Yeah, he's not Oak Keeper. | ||
| I'm Oak Keeper. | ||
| He's Tea Party. | ||
| He's a square. | ||
| So, interestingly, what you have here is Alex Jones starting the broadcast by talking about how he's always right and everyone attacks him for being right all the time because the truth comes out and he was right all along, but he's up against that barbed wire and everyone's climbed over him. | ||
| Now, towards the end of the show, he gets these two stories that he's juggling. | ||
| Well, one of them he's juggling and then this other one gets introduced and he runs with it without reading anything about it. | ||
| That last clip is so self-satisfied. | ||
| Like, I have now done my work, and they will attack me, and I will be proven right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost like a perfect narrative arc. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he set up the theme of the show at the beginning of I am unjustly demonized for being right all the time, and now, at the end here, he's demonstrated that he's right all the time, and now I welcome the attacks that will come. | ||
| Meanwhile, none of it's true. | ||
| People mock me, and they laugh, and they say that I'm not a real... | ||
| What is journalism but hearing a call, not getting any confirmation, and reporting it's true? | ||
| I actually named the clip. | ||
| Alex congratulates himself for doing zero journalism. | ||
| There's so many things that you should have done. | ||
| You should have Rob do call Schenectady. | ||
| You should have had Rob do call or Jason Burmess. | ||
| He knows the area. | ||
| Have him call Albany. | ||
| Call the people who are listed in these press releases. | ||
| Like, it's not hard. | ||
| That would be what you're doing if you're trying to report accurately. | ||
| Even if you want to spin these yarns about, like, oh, this is all a takeover. | ||
| It's all there. | ||
| What you do is... | ||
| You still call. | ||
| They give you no comment. | ||
| Then you report that they gave you no comment. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| And then the fact that you called and reported and they gave no comment, that sounds suspicious to the people that you want to sound suspicious to. | ||
| But these fuckwits can't even do step one. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| So that's where the show should end. | ||
| Right. | ||
| After objectifying and exploiting a victim of a crime. | ||
| Well, that's just because she doesn't have a song about the gun culture. | ||
| It should end there. | ||
| You got any songs about how pretty you are? | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Your voice looks good. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| Alex has Jim Mars in studio after this. | ||
| And Jim's coming with some bullshit. | ||
| There's a lot of nonsense, but I've chosen just two clips to end the show because I think they're demonstrative of how endemic this idea of not reading things and sort of wallowing around in ignorance. | ||
| Presenting and masquerading itself as wisdom is everywhere. | ||
| All of these people in Alex Jones' world, no matter how credibly they present themselves, are guilty of the exact same crimes. | ||
| So here's the first one where he talks about Obama's national security director. | ||
| Go over again the providence of that, where you got that specifically for folks to find it. | ||
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Well, I pointed this out, and specifically the line he says, I take my daily orders from Henry Kissinger. | |
| This is Barack Obama's national security advisor, okay? | ||
| And people said, oh, well, where'd that come from? | ||
| That can't be true. | ||
| Folks, it's right off the Council on Foreign Relations website. | ||
| This is from the CFR. | ||
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Yeah, up at the top, if you want to... | |
| So, he's taking this quote here. | ||
| And I'll say this. | ||
| I do not care to defend Kissinger, nor would I presume to say that he didn't absolutely have more influence than I'm comfortable with him having, even after he left his formal positions in government. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Especially whenever he was orchestrating genocides. | ||
| Now, that said, the shit that Jim Mars is saying here is complete bullshit. | ||
| If you read the opening remarks from James Jordan, I'm sorry, James Jones, you find that he says, quote, There's no indication from the transcript that he's speaking literally, or if that's just a little wink and nod kind of joke to open the speech. | ||
| Even leaving that aside, it's important to consider what he's actually saying. | ||
| Although Walt Rostro was technically the first national security director, many see Kissinger as the person who most defined what that position was. | ||
| After him came Brent Scowcraft. | ||
| After him... | ||
| Well, actually came Zbigniew Brzezinski. | ||
| But then... | ||
| Well, we don't take orders from Zbigniew Brzezinski. | ||
| He had all kinds of wild ideas about not killing people. | ||
| But then Sandy Berger and then him. | ||
| So, like, there is this idea of, like, it's not... | ||
| I don't think he's speaking literally about taking orders from them. | ||
| I think he's talking about these are the people who have defined the position. | ||
| They've set the precedents. | ||
| They've given us guidance on what it is we do. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And I don't think that... | ||
| You know, I'm not naive enough to say that... | ||
| those people weren't in some way still in an advisory capacity working for folks. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Like, it's pretty clear if you look at stuff, there are – There are indications that they help advise on who should be on the National Security Council, even after they aren't the director or anything like that. | |
| But I think it's a little bit of a stretch to say that this guy's speaking literally. | ||
| Okay, so what happens is Kissinger says something, then he whispers in Brent Scowcraft's ear, and then he goes and talks to Sandy Berger, who then tells me what to do. | ||
| The idea that he's saying it's filtered down through Scowcraft and Berger, that's... | ||
| The language indicates to me the filtering down is the lineage of the position. | ||
| It's not this literal thing. | ||
| So Jim Mars, I don't think it's... | ||
| I understand what he wants to do here. | ||
| I'm not going to hate the player. | ||
| I'm not going to hate anything. | ||
| I understand what you're doing. | ||
| But you're demonstrating an inability to wrestle with context. | ||
| Because also the rest of this speech that Jones gave at the CFR was about the idea that he wanted to help reshape the department. | ||
| So there was a hearkening to legacy at the beginning of it, speaking to ways that the modern challenges of the world are such that a different approach might be necessary. | ||
| So there's kind of a thematic element to it that exists in the speech. | ||
| if you read it as a whole. | ||
| You cannot ever use nuance when talking to these idiots. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| They just don't understand it. | ||
| They can't read, they don't understand it. | ||
| Anyway, we have one more clip of Jim Mars, and this should show you kind of how he does his work. | ||
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And people need to take a close look at this. | |
| And I'll be frank, I have not looked at it even this close, but I know just from what I've seen and by glancing over some of the paragraphs and some of the clauses in this proposed legislation, essentially it's going to mean you can't have a garden. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, like... | ||
| I glanced over legislation. | ||
| You know... | ||
| Something that's notoriously easy to glance over. | ||
| Legislation is never incredibly complex legalistic bullshit language. | ||
| Subsections referring to other subsections. | ||
| Yeah, it's just something that you glance over. | ||
| You see a couple clauses and you say, well, they're trying to get rid of your fucking gardens. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| If they were trying to get rid of your gardens, they would just write a bill that gets rid of your gardens. | ||
| It's irresponsible to come on a show that is so... | ||
| Bad. | ||
| At this show. | ||
| And say something like that. | ||
| You're like, I haven't read any of this, but suffice it to say, I've skimmed it, and it looks like you can't have a garden. | ||
| Like, that's fucking stupid. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| That's a deep level of stupid. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| Now, the other thing, too, is like, this needs to be very clear. | ||
| When you engage with legislation like that, and you make assumptions about what it's talking about, you end up wrong. | ||
| Almost all the time. | ||
| You can demonstrate this with Alex Jones' favorite subsection about chemtrails. | ||
| The one that if you just read one piece of it, sounds like, oh my god, this is going to allow testing on anybody as long as it's a research purpose. | ||
| If you only skim it and you read that section of it, it looks that way. | ||
| But you have to look at it as a whole because there's another part that says that section there that you're reading that's scary. | ||
| is subject to a subsection that says informed consent of all participants is required. | ||
| So it does not work. | ||
| There might be something in that legislation that sounds scary, but there's another thing that completely invalidates whatever fear you have. | ||
| And that's almost always the case when I look into these things. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| New proposal for a law. | ||
| If you're going to cover legislation and claim that you're a journalist, you have to first go to... | ||
| College. | ||
| I think Jim Mars has a degree. | ||
| No, I mean, Alex. | ||
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Oh. | |
| But, and specifically, like, understand civics, and then... | ||
| Like, continuing education hours. | ||
| You should have to have continuing education. | ||
| If Alex's dad has to do that dentist shit. | ||
| Yeah, you have to keep passing tests, proving that you understand the civics process. | ||
| Civics is super important. | ||
| And if you fail it, then you don't get to talk about it, and it's against the law. | ||
| You get your journalism license revoked. | ||
| Well, I mean, civics is super important for Alex's use, too, because, like, if his audience, or even if he... | ||
| While not lying, had an awareness of how bills are passed, what amendments mean, and stuff like that, he couldn't spin most of the stories that he spits. | ||
| These ideas that he has now that he's talking about, like, oh, if they succeed in suing me, the Sandy Hook families succeed in suing me, then the First Amendment's gone. | ||
| That doesn't work that way, man. | ||
| Anybody who has a basic understanding of how our government operates would hear that and be like... | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I'm actually starting to think that that law isn't terrible. | ||
| Think about how easy that would make getting rid of Fox News. | ||
| Because if you have continuing education requirements for civics, for these journalists, then you can prove they're lying about it. | ||
| True. | ||
| Because you can prove... | ||
| You have no plausible deniability anymore of like, oh, they're just dumb. | ||
| No, they're bad actors. | ||
| Yeah, they're doing it in bad faith. | ||
| You know that because they have had to pass a test about how civics actually fucking works. | ||
| But we already know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We just can't confirm... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But now there's a law. | ||
| Now there's a law that says you gotta... | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Let's regulate journalism. | ||
| Let's get it passed in Albany. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And have Alex freak out about it. | ||
| So that brings us to the end of this adventure. | ||
| Again, March 22nd, not worth talking about, so that's off the table. | ||
| But I really think, I wish that those Jim Mars things that I think are important and demonstrative of how stupid everyone is, and how fast and loose they are with details, and how they just report shit that they don't even really know anything about. | ||
| I think it's important, but I wish they weren't in there, because there's such a satisfying arc to Alex's blowhardy, I'm the victim and I'm always... | ||
| To the end of the episode where he's completely misrepresenting two stories and saying they're connected. | ||
| So Alex is just bad. | ||
| He's bad at this. | ||
| Anyway, we have a website. | ||
| The thing that sticks out at me about that story that Amy was telling and the way Alex was using it, it reminded me so much of that like... | ||
| I bet no living black person has ever had to deal with as much racism as I have. | ||
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Or, you know, has ever been beat up as much as I have. | |
| That whole thing. | ||
| No living black person has had as much racism applied to them as I have as a white person. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's that same, like, idea of, I got it! | ||
| This proves everything that I've ever thought about how I've always been. | ||
| It is validating for him in some way that it's not for Amy. | ||
| That's why he wants to talk about that. | ||
| That's why he's excited to have her on the show. | ||
| He doesn't care about her music except that Ron Paul song, and I'm sure he doesn't actually even like it. | ||
| But the other thing that I need to make clear, I don't know if I did a good enough job about this, I read a bunch of interviews with Amy because I wanted more context. | ||
| I wanted to understand what else... | ||
| Crime was a big part of her career. | ||
| She talks about how afterwards she really valued things differently and stuff like that. | ||
| And in every interview that I can find with her, she doesn't talk about it being some sort of government hit. | ||
| She doesn't talk about it being Mexican gangbangers or anything like that. | ||
| All of that are details that come from this interview that have been extrapolated by Ron Paul Forum, Stormfront, all of these other places. | ||
| That's not something that she talks about in interviews with music publications or any other interview that I've seen with her. | ||
| So I don't think that she is on that tip. | ||
| It doesn't seem that way. | ||
| It seems like other people are putting that there for her. | ||
| And that is a bummer. | ||
| Because I don't... | ||
| And that's just like that Venn diagram of all the things that they love. | ||
| They're coming for our women. | ||
| They're animals. | ||
| They're just attacking. | ||
| They don't even want anything. | ||
| It would make sense if they stole our money, but they didn't even do that. | ||
| All of that stuff just all comes together to make this... | ||
| Perfect storm of white guys justified in committing hate crimes. | ||
| And meanwhile, their fear about they're coming for women while they repeatedly tell her how hot she is in a circumstance that that's not really relevant to why they're there. | ||
| And at the same time, all these people create the perception of they are animals. | ||
| Meanwhile, Alex literally said, I'm a vicious animal on the show. | ||
| Talking about beating some guys heading to the ground. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Alex is full of shit. | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| We have a website. | ||
| I hate them! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hate them! | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| We are on social media networks. | ||
| Plural. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Twitter, we're at Knowledge underscore Fight. | ||
| We're on Facebook. | ||
| We have a Facebook group. | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
| It's a lot of fun over there. | ||
| You can hear us on the iTunes. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| You can go to www.itunes.com. | ||
| That's I-T-U-N-E-S dot com. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Slash podcasts. | ||
| Slash knowledge dash fight. | ||
| Slash legislation. | ||
| Slash Albany. | ||
| Slash... | ||
| We don't have time for that. | ||
| Send me a screenshot. | ||
| I will do that. | ||
| Actually, email it to RobD at InfoWars.com. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Please fucking do. | ||
| Love to talk to that dick. | ||
| Oh, what an asshole. | ||
| Anyway, guys, this has been something or other. | ||
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I will tell you this. | |
| I know that Alex does not have any songs about the gun culture that he's recorded. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I know that he is a vicious animal, and I'll tell you how I know, because he probably technically killed a guy. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |