#221: October 24, 2018—Alex Jones pivots from dismissing violence to falsely accusing "globalists" (Soros, Clinton) of staging bomb threats against CNN and media figures as midterm election manipulation, despite his past calls to equate outlets like CNN with ISIS. His denial of responsibility—echoed by Roger Stone—ignores 2017 data showing right-wing extremists committed 37 of 65 U.S. terrorist attacks, while his followers (e.g., Brandon Griesmer) have made explicit threats. Historical cases like Matthew Fairfield’s napalm bomb (April 2010) and Oath Keepers’ extremism reveal a pattern: Jones normalizes violence, then deflects blame, emboldening future attacks while undermining accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
I'll say that I don't feel great about our last episode, but it's not our fault.
I don't feel good about it because we were operating under the context, because when we recorded it, that the guy who left a bomb in Soros' mailbox was an isolated incident.
Every time we've gone to sleep in the past three days, Dan, every time we have gone to sleep, we have woken up to finding out another bomb has been sent somewhere.
I intentionally did that while you were taking a sip.
It's become so much that all of the people are attacking all of these people.
So it almost becomes such a blur as to like, what could motivate this?
To the point where, honestly, the only way I would be convinced that this is Alex Jones motivated, not Trump, Tucker Carlson, all that, just the whole world of the right motivated, is if Brian Stelter got one.
Oh, yeah.
Because Alex is probably the only person who screams about Brian Stelter all the time.
See, why else would De Niro get a bomb along with everybody else?
I'll tell you why.
This whole thing is just to mask that Scorsese is pissed off that De Niro spent those 20 years in the wilderness to and fucking meet the Clumps movies or whatever it is he does.
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But for now, Jordan, I said at the top of the show that we didn't have all the information at our disposal when we did our last episode on Wednesday.
And unfortunately, I thought, well, the only responsible thing to do is now that there's more of the story available, as much as it sucks to talk about a present-day episode, I feel like it's our responsibility to jump in and do another present-day episode to go over what Alex Jones is talking about now.
Oh, no.
So I tuned in, and this is going to be the October 24th episode, so from Wednesday.
In this first clip, we're going to be listening to here.
Alex is talking to Owen Schroyer about the situation that has unfolded all around us.
So I'm sure now that this is one of their big October surprises in the next month or two to stage something or provocateur something and blame it on me.
And Roger Stone concurs.
We do not want any violence.
We decry it.
We stand against it.
We're winning politically.
It's the left calling for violence and shooting scholise and beating up Rand Paul and everything else.
But the fact that they're saying I'm calling for this when I never said it is chilling.
So this is an emergency alert to get out ahead of this.
Any resemblance to characters living or dead who have previously called for violence towards the media, the specific people who were bombed.
They do not represent Alex Jones or Roger Stone, despite the fact that on countless numbers of times they have called for direct violence towards these people.
That pre-taped clip with Roger Stone is very clearly preemptive damage control because I think that they probably got the sense of like, uh-oh, we better put out a video that we can play in court where we literally say if somebody does something, it is not something we encourage.
So the other thing, too, that's really fun here is that in that clip that Alex plays right before his show, there's a little bit that he forgot to cut out of it.
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All right, folks, we're going to be covering people worse than you guys in America right now.
This is a situation where you just get into this stupid game that he plays that there's really no way out of without just saying, I'm out.
I reject this.
Because what he's describing is the media covering Trump's rhetoric, Alex's rhetoric, in such a way that they're saying, hey, you know, in history, a lot of times when people acted this way and demonized a certain population, that population ended up getting killed or beaten up or marginalized even further than they already were.
Whether it be a minority group or in this case, journalists, you know, in countries that have slipped away from democratic principles, largely the first step down that road is demonizing the media.
You saw it with Hugo Chavez.
You've seen it throughout Eastern Europe in tons of countries.
The idea of a free press is one of the most dangerous things to autocrats.
So when you have that, the media covers it in such a way that says, hey, everyone, be careful about this.
Fucking the stimulus, there's literally no difference between the reality of the media warning about something and Alex saying, oh, they're trying to demonize us.
What makes both sides do what they do is the same.
It's just that one side's reaction is super defensive and full of shit.
And no right-wing media outlet is at all saying, like, none of them are even saying, let's hold on and find out who's done this before we preemptively defend our own terrorism.
Yeah.
They're admitting by defending it before we know anything that they know they are causing violence.
No matter who the person is, no matter what they are.
Right.
I still think that Alex has helped us get to the point in society in terms of the rhetoric that's acceptable, that sort of thing, that we can now be where we are.
But that is not to say that, like, I didn't, I don't think it would be appropriate for us to be like, this was a right-wing guy for sure.
And I think you're totally right that that does indicate a sense of awareness that they must have that's like, we've got to get in front of this thing.
Yeah.
Because otherwise, when the truth comes out, we're fucked.
And that's a strategy that I think a lot of these people have learned from propagandists like Alex Jones.
So that's not good.
Now, in this next clip, Alex has been, he's made his thesis clear that the bombings or the attempted bombings of all of these Democrats, Robert De Niro, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Yep.
You know, it's just, it's ballooned from where it was.
Remember, if you go back, about a month ago, a gentleman was busted in New York cooking up a 200-pound bomb in his basement to bomb the Republicans to cancel the election.
He was going to detonate it inside the Washington Monument Mall on the morning of Election Day to try to cancel the election because the Republicans are going to try to steal the election or cancel it.
Alex is juxtaposing the stories of all of his enemies receiving mailbombs with a story about this guy out of New York who had worked on building a 200-pound bomb to blow up the National Mall on Election Day.
He's doing this and claiming that the man was a deranged leftist because he doesn't know anything, but this false narrative serves his purposes to present the idea that the Soros, Clinton, Obama bombs are false flags by the left.
The problem is that Paul Rosenfeld, the man who built that bomb, was not a leftist, nor is it any mystery as to what his intentions were in planning to blow up D.C.
He wasn't angry at the Republicans, as Alex is reporting, or at least he was no more angry with them than he was at all government.
From the FBI press release, quote, in August and September 2018, Rosenfeld sent letters and text messages to an individual in Pennsylvania.
These letters and text messages stated that Rosenfeld planned to build an explosive device and detonate it on November 6th, 2018 in the National Mall in Washington, D.C. Rosenfeld's stated reason for these acts was to draw attention to his political belief in sortition, a political theory that advocates for the random selection of government officials.
He's not like, it's crazy to build a bomb to do this, but I read some of his writing, and it doesn't come off as crazy as a lot of the manifestos you end up reading.
He wrote, quote, the logical end of majority rule is monarchy.
The constant political maneuvering of individuals and factions must inevitably trend towards a winner-takes-all conclusion.
Even today, despite all our Democratic pretensions in the U.S., one might easily imagine a scenario in which President Jeb Bush, following an act of nuclear terrorism, suspends the electoral process under the pretext that terrorists have infiltrated the Democratic Party.
A perpetual dynasty of Bush leaders would be a plausible outcome.
Most people imagine that democracy and monarchy are different animals, but they are actually cousins.
He wrote that before it appeared that Trump was going to be the next president.
He wrote that before Jeb asked people to clap and got cucked out of the election.
So Alex trying to say that this guy was mad at Republicans, and that's why he was going to blow up the National Mall is foolish and stupid.
He doesn't know anything about the story, but he needs it in order to connect to this other story to try and reinforce the idea that all of these bombs are clearly some sort of a democratic false flag.
He talks about it like three times on this episode.
That's one of the things I care about.
Like, if he wants to present the idea that all of these are false flags, he shouldn't bring up a story to reinforce that belief that he doesn't know anything about and doesn't actually prove his point at all.
Even if there were a ton of left-wing bombers that were false flags by the right, I'd still be like, yeah, some of them had to be for real left-wing bombers.
What Alex seems to not want to point out is that the headline is actually Brett Kavanaugh and the information terrorists, plural.
It's about people like Jack Pasobic, Mike Cernovich, and all those assholes who are weaponizing information, especially in the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation process.
Well, here's the thing, from the article, quote, information terrorism is not a term I apply lightly.
But if you accept the core definition of terrorism as, quote, the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians in the pursuit of political aims, then there are few terms more apt to describe what this group has unleashed against their fellow Americans.
Alex has brass balls complaining about Wired, calling him an information terrorist when his website is called InfoWars.
It's an interesting concept, but I don't know how helpful it is because even in that part of the article, terrorism is defined as the unlawful use of violence.
And if you are using that as your definition of terrorism, it's not illegal most of the things Alex is doing, you know.
He's saying there that the left carries out violence against folks 100 to 1.
100 to 1.
And so I looked into this a little bit, and I'm going to read you this here.
Quote, an analysis of the global terrorism database by researchers at the University of Maryland published in 2017 shows a sharp increase in the share of attacks by right-wing extremists from 6% in the 2000s to 35% in the 2010s.
Quote, meanwhile, the share of attacks by left-wing terrorists and environmental extremists dropped from 64% in the 2000s to 12% in the 2010s.
And a lot of that is because of the 64% in the 2000s is a lot of eco-terrorism and animal rights activism.
So those were the 2016 study was in 2016.
And so they wanted to look into it a little bit further.
Quote, an analysis by courts of the same global terrorism database confirmed that the trend persisted in 2017, where most attacks in the U.S. were committed by right-wing extremists.
Out of 65 incidents that year, 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations.
In that same set of data, 11 were left-leaning actors from 2017.
Of the 65, 11 were left-leaning actors.
And a closer review of the data shows that six of these left-leaning terror attacks were done by animal liberation groups.
So that leaves five.
And then there's also an environmental one here and there.
And when you expand that picture out, I think you'd find very similar things.
But in this case, because we're dealing with a person leaving bombs all over the place, and Alex is defensive about it and talking about how the right-wing doesn't do that stuff.
Globally, the number of terrorist attacks has been on a healthy decline since 2014.
17,000 or so attacks in 2014 as compared to 11,000 or so in 2017.
There's a drop-off going that is very considerable.
But in this country, that trend is reversed.
In 2015, there were less than 40 such incidents.
In 2016 and 2017, the years when Trump's rhetoric has shifted the Overton window that dictates what sort of things are acceptable public speech, we see that number jump to 64 and 65 in those years respectively.
So while the rest of the world is, even the Middle East, the numbers are going down, we see ours going way up, and the share of them being right-wing extremists going way up with it.
But if you do that, if Alex and Fox News and fucking Lou Dobbs or whoever, if they ever actually say, maybe what we're doing is inciting violence, their ratings are going to go down, right?
Isn't that their big issue?
Like, the biggest problem they have is not, are we causing the needless deaths of people?
It's, well, look at how popular we are now that we're calling for violence.
I'm so glad that I'm not in the place because this is something that I would imagine that every human Fox News employee has to wrestle with on a daily basis of like, I'm part of the evil here.
Do you have all those clips where you predicted the summer of rage?
Alex, do you have all those clips where you predicted that the dollar was about to be completely devalued and everyone should buy gold?
If you say things repeatedly and keep varying up what you're predicting, eventually something, you're going to have a clip where you're like, ha ha, I was right.
So, I mean, yes, he probably did say two weeks before the election.
But I also guarantee there's a clip that he says a month before the election.
This isn't proving anything except that he keeps saying this.
None of it depicts reality at all.
None of it, like, at no point in any of those articles or in anything that he says does he actually prove in any way that the media is planning to false flag themselves.
He just keeps saying it and then uses those articles that he and his team himself have produced as evidence that I got it right.
I got it right because this happened.
So the way that he likes to try and present this, the argument that he tries to make about this is that the reason that he's able to make these predictions throughout August and all this is because it's like when you see commercials for the McRib.
Because the commercials are telling you that the McRib is coming back.
So he sees the media say that his rhetoric is dangerous, and that means to him, I know that that means they're going to false flag themselves to blame me.
But what I would rather relate it to, I would like to talk about Alex's actions as opposed to the media.
Because personally, I believe the media is pretty accurately warning people about the consequences of dehumanizing and violent, dangerous rhetoric.
So when I look at Alex's behavior of him consistently saying the media is going to false flag themselves, writing article after article about it, it's less like an advertisement.
And what it is, is it seems more like the PR department at a company that knows they're about to get caught for something.
You know, it's like we know we've been littering and polluting for a long time.
It's a dad who's like killed three people and the cops are getting onto him, but he's like a month out and he's just talking to his kids and he's like, they're going to say a lot of bad things about your daddy, but let me tell you something.
None of it's true.
I mean, I did kill those three people, but none of what they say is true.
You're going to hear a lot of things, but you don't believe any of their evidence.
You don't believe anything anybody tells you but what daddy says and daddy says I'm innocent.
But what it all comes down to and comes back to is exactly what you're saying at the beginning of this.
That they know the end result of their actions as well.
They know, like, Alex Jones wouldn't make all of these posts and make such a big deal of talking about how the media is going to false flag themselves if he didn't have a keen awareness that Trump saying that the media is the enemy of the American people and me doing demon voices about Brian Stelter and talking about how he needs to fall and he wants to kill and rape your family.
He has to know that the natural end result of that, when an unhinged person hears those sorts of rhetoric, the natural end result is quite possibly someone hurting these people.
And now the last piece, 13 days out, will be finding out that it's a right-wing extremist and blaming us.
And saying he visited InfoWars.
He visited Drudge Report.
He visited Tucker Carlson.
He watched Fox News.
You can see the scripting.
And boy, we told you, Jones needed to be taken off the air.
And now, why he mailed the bombs or somebody he influenced mailed the bombs.
And this is just to gauge and create anxiety that it's the right wing and that Hillary and Soros and Obama and CNN are good guys that are just trying to talk about the news and help America.
And so we've been resisting them and saying they're globalists.
And so we've been saying dirty words like nationalists and other evil stuff.
And so now, with the election 13 days away, you know they're planning bigger events now.
Now that they've named themselves as the victims and have created the hype and the fear, now there can be the big event and then they can bust the group or individuals or the lone wolf that's behind it and properly blame all of us.
Also, there's such a thing that he has to do, which is that, like, a right-wing, like, a soy boy, this part of, like, and the media is trying to portray them all as these good guys who are just trying to report.
And it's like, no, it doesn't matter if they're good guys.
So, but what he's doing is trying to play this game where he's like, you know, they're trying to get sympathy for themselves, trying to make themselves seem like victims and demonizing us.
That's the false flag.
You know, you got this false flag, and then the next stage of it is when they're going to reveal the person that did it, and it's going to be like us.
They're going to bring out somebody who's wearing a locker-up shirt, who's got a long history of posting on the internet about how all of these liberals should die.
So I was thinking about this, the nature of the false flag stuff and the false flag accusations that get made and when they get made.
And one of the things I realized is that there's a real general trend among people to claim that things that would tend to make them be seen in a realistic way are actually elaborate plots against them.
And there's no better example of this than the fallout that happened after the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.
Initially, the hard-right media figures were totally fine with the rally and supported it as they saw it as an extension of their mission to, quote, protect and stand up for the West.
Gavin McGuinness had the organizer of the rally, Jason Kessler, on his show to promote the rally.
Alex was firmly in support of the rally.
People on both sides.
But then the reality of the worlds that they helped facilitate became publicly visible.
Nazis, white supremacists, and weird fascists were there, sporting their uniforms unashamed in the light of day, wholeheartedly on Alex and Gavin McGinnis's side.
Then Heather Hayer got murdered.
Then videos of a group of white men beating the shit out of DeAndre Harris with metal pipes and boards came out.
The optics were too obvious to anyone who was looking at the situation what the reality was.
Things didn't get better when it came out that the rally organizer, Jason Kessler, was at least a second-degree member of McGinnis's Proud Boys street gang.
Immediately, McGinnis went into damage control mode and alleged that Kessler wasn't really a proud boy and that he'd been coming to Proud Boy meetings under false pretenses.
Kessler being a proud boy was a false flag to associate his definitely not white nationalist street gang with street gang style violence perpetrated by a group of real white nationalists.
Alex would do the same thing, having Kessler on his show to try and get him to confess that the whole rally was a setup and that Kessler was actually a Democrat.
It didn't work, but Alex got the pivot that he needed to still claim that Kessler wasn't on the up and up with the Patriot movement, and thus he too branded the Charlottesville tragedy a globalist false flag.
The appropriate response to a situation like the one in Charlottesville is deep reflection and empathy.
Unfortunately for people like Alex and Gavin, empathy is weakness, and deep reflection leads people to realize that they are the problem.
No, but they did interview, I believe, like the guy who committed the offense, they interviewed his neighbor, and he said, you know, you seem like a nice guy.
The standard interview that you have with a serial killer's neighbor.
And Alex has latched onto that as like, see, and trying to say that he was a good guy.
They didn't end up talking to the shooter at that ballpark and being like, hey, you're really working for the Koch brothers, trying to make liberals look bad.
Anyway, it's all nonsense, but it is interesting to me that I started to realize, and I think I've always kind of known this, but the false flag accusation really only comes out, at least these days, because I don't think this was necessarily the motivation behind him being like 9-11 was fake.
I think that was just a good business opportunity.
Like, I get Alex needing to constantly say that Soros is a Nazi collaborator by taking that 60 Minutes interview and other interviews that he's done completely and wildly out of context and assert that he has Steve Pieczenik on to call him a Uden rat and shit like that.
You know, of course, you've got to do these things.
It makes sense.
When you're demonizing your philanthropist enemy, this is a good strategy.
I understand that you've got to say these sorts of things are false flags as preemptive damage control for yourself.
But I can't understand the level of shithead you have to be to combine the two.
Like the day after, because on some level, Alex fucking knows this isn't a false flag.
And so, you know, I know that Soros doesn't listen to InfoWars, but the idea of being this cruel to somebody who has just received a bomb, I find it deplorable, quite frankly.
Just because X does exist doesn't mean all things are X. Right.
That is horrible thinking.
And he doesn't go much further than that in terms of trying to prove this.
His arguments are essentially false flags do exist.
It's the oldest trick in the book.
Therefore, this is a false flag.
I saw it coming.
I predicted this based on all of these articles that I wrote about this, which are really just preemptive damage control because I know that someone's going to fucking attack them eventually.
And I don't want the heat.
That's all he's got.
That's all the evidence that he gives.
It's super thin.
So I want to talk to you a little bit about bombings because there's another talking point that Alex Jones doesn't bring up, but I've seen posted a lot by these shitheads on Twitter about, like, of course it's fake.
None of them went off.
Of course.
Obviously, if there was a bombing, they would have blown up.
And I need to address this because whether or not Alex brings it up in what we're covering, I'm sure he'll bring it up eventually because it's caught fire with the Twitter sphere.
And this needs to be addressed.
There are a few super important points that you need to know about making bombs.
One, super easy.
They're very, very regularly don't work.
It's very consistent.
The process of successfully bombing someone involves so many variables, along with factors completely outside of the perpetrator's control, that they're nearly impossible to pull off.
Two, since the 1970s, there are virtually no left-wing bombings in the United States.
Since then, it specifically has not been the behavior of the left.
Again, if you exclude environmental terrorism and animal rights activist groups, which I don't believe are necessarily appropriate to fit under the umbrella of left-wing terrorism, as Alex would like to present it.
That would be the equivalent of left-wing terrorism for Alex's right-wing terrorism.
You can find plenty of lists of bombings and terrorist acts, and you'll find that the lists are littered with disrupted plots and people who made their bombs wrong so they didn't end up detonating.
It's the exception, not the rule, that a bomb actually goes off when someone plans to bomb people.
One of the very few large-scale bombings that were successful was the Boston bombing.
Another was the string of bombings in New York and New Jersey between September 17th and 19th, 2016, which left 35 people injured.
The perpetrator of said bombings was a gun enthusiast who had previously been arrested for stabbing his brother in the leg after, quote, the victim and another brother attempted to stop him from assaulting their mother and sister.
He spent a few months in jail and later became radicalized by online jihadi materials, which is said to have been inspirational in his planning of his bombing.
This is why you see so many failed bomb plots through history and why we so clearly remember the ones that did reach completion, because they're the exception to the rule, and they're deeply emotionally scarring to everybody.
Which we don't need to get into today necessarily.
But yeah, man, it's one of those things.
And it's like, so the idea that none of these things went off is so foolish as an argument as to the reality of it because a number of these people have secret service details.
They're going to find that sort of thing immediately.
Or George Soros is a goddamn billionaire.
He has people who are working there and are going to find these things.
And even the ones that were left at people's offices, they have security guards who are trained in these sorts of things.
So if you leave a bomb somewhere where you want it to explode, it's so hard for someone not to find it and for you to get the timing right so it hurts the person that you want.
They don't go through every news channel of fake news in the country and all say in unison, Alex Jones, I've got chills, Lester Holt said.
Yeah, I'm really scared when he said, kill us with bombs.
Or kill us with guns and battle rifles.
Jack Dorsey goes, I know, I know it's terrible, but we're not going to ban him yet.
To make it act like they're not censoring, oh, they held back so he could go around and do that whole tour of disinformation.
A psyop, you know, and they're on every channel saying you're saying kill the media and you didn't say it, and they don't have proof you said it, that something bad is about to happen.
But what I can tell you is that Lester Holt's discussion of Alex Jones' comments came after a number of things.
One of them was Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich getting on air and starting a contest where they were going to pay people to go on live TV and yell CNN is ISIS.
It was a formal contest that Alex launched, promising thousands of dollars to people to equate a news network with a terrorist organization that we're presumably at war with.
A little bit after that, Brandon Griesmer was arrested this January after he made four calls to CNN on January 9th and 10th, in which he made terrorist threats and talked shit about the Jews and black people.
In one call, he said, quote, I'm coming to gun you all down.
I'm on my way right now to gun the fucking CNN cast down.
I'm coming to kill you.
He referred to them as fake news and dropped a couple N-words for good measure.
The president of this country had previously called the fake news media the enemy of the people.
He had frequently attacked CNN at rallies, press conferences, and on Twitter.
It's no surprise that Lester Holt would take something appearing to be a threat seriously, seeing as that's something that's happened quite a bit to him recently.
So Alex refusing to accept that sort of context, just saying like, oh, out of nowhere, Lester Holt was like, I'm threatening him because I talked about get your battle rifles ready.
When they come out and they say, Alex Jones says blow up and shoot the media, and Trump says kill the media, and it's not true, and they've got a history of staging crap, and they're a pack of criminals that works with radical Islam, you name it, and say MS-13 are God's children.
But you better believe these scumbags in the deep state haven't given up, and they don't want America to return, and they don't want our republic back, so they're crapping their filthy bridges, and they're going to pull anything.
And if we can't see the giant setup to this, we're crazy.
But how evil is it for you to watch people get terrorized and then say, one, it's a false flag that they're perpetrating, and that makes them so evil and such scumbags that it's like dot, dot, dot, fine to bomb.
What it implies is literally the most dangerous mentality that is possible.
Because anytime now that any attack happens on people on the left, this is going to be the narrative that all of these shitheads on Twitter and Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, that is going to be something that's going to be a card they can play.
I mean, like, this is the sort of next progression from accepting a lot of the conspiracy theory stuff that propped up as Trump was running, became much more normal.
And then as it got closer to the election, it became even more normal.
Then after it just went crazy.
But on a smaller level, you have the normalization in the right-wing media, especially Fox News, of this idea that Antifa and the Proud Boys, let's say, are the same thing.
You have this idea where they're pretending that Antifa is some sort of organized group that with meetings.
Right.
And a leader.
And all they want to do is go and beat up Christians.
Right?
They have that perspective as opposed to it being a loose-knit group of unorganized, small groups of people who go and counter-demonstrate against fascists.
And are willing to fight with them as opposed to a lot of other groups who would demonstrate against these people.
So you have that on that side.
And then with the Proud Boys, you have a shithead cult leader like Gavin McGinnis who screams all the time about how he wants violence and thinks that society is too weak and we should kick the shit out of each other and has a group with a regimented structure where the fourth level of it is you have to beat somebody up or get arrested for the cause.
He incentivizes this idea of going and wait, that's really on there?
he never defines what nazi collaborator means which makes it so evil because if he said he is a nazi collaborator and by that i mean when he was a very young boy he was a part of the jewish council which was an organization that oh oh i should also tell you this Back then they didn't let Jewish kids go to school, and so they had to become a part of this.
But he was a part of this group, and they would go deliver messages to Jews around town.
And then if it was a summons, and if they give this message to the person, they would end up getting taken away.
So young George Soros told his dad about these messages he was told to deliver.
And his dad said, deliver those messages.
But you tell everybody that you give that message to that if you show up to that meeting, they are never going to come back.
You warn them that this is something that is not what it appears to be.
So Soros, as a young boy, went around and he delivered those messages and warned people, as his father did as well, saved a number of people from the Holocaust, from being taken away to camps.
And then, as a boy, after he made that run, was like, I am not doing this anymore.
And so he disappeared and stopped going into the Jewish Council meetings that he was made to do because Jews weren't allowed to go to school in those days.
Remember how when you learned in high school that the person who tells you that the evil is coming to destroy you, that person is actually collaborating with that evil.
But you understand, like, if he wanted to have that conversation about what does collaborator mean, is that what you mean?
Then that would be the weak.
Like, it would take all the power out of his declaration.
He's a Nazi collaborator, and by that I have the broadest definition for it.
Because you could say that, yeah, as a kid, he did make one run of these things, but it ended up subverting the process that he was supposed to be a part of.
So, like, there's all this stuff, and that is the essence of what's going wrong.
There's this deterioration of definition.
There's a deterioration of truth, of context, of all of this stuff just serving, I don't even know.
With what he said there, too, is like even if it was a false flag, his argument is that CNN is trying to paint him as a poor little baby getting bombed.
We have a couple more clips, but before we do that, I want to talk a little bit about how when I was preparing the episode for today, there were a number of, like, I didn't want to talk about the present day, of course.
I don't want to put people through that.
And I think that a lot of the very, like, I think a lot of the conversation we've been having is fairly basic.
And I don't think that I'm not saying we're being stupid or anything, but it doesn't really charm me all that much to reiterate, hey, this is why he talks about false flags all the time.
This is his way of, like you very eloquently put, admitting, without admitting, that he knows something is really bad coming and he needs to not be on the hook for it.
So I started to rack my brain and think about what are other times that we could draw analogs to.
And one of them was the Boston bombing.
And listening to that, it was just a waste of an hour, unless we did a dedicated episode about that.
It just wasn't.
It wasn't right.
And so it's hard for me to experience the things we're experiencing together as a country right now without thinking back to April 2010.
That month was a month that was full of right-wing insanity.
And thus, when I was planning out this episode, I wanted to go back and see what Alex was saying about a couple incidents that stuck out.
Imagine my surprise when I didn't find him saying anything, and mostly just talking about how Oklahoma City was a false flag a bunch.
Because April is the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.
So some things I did learn, though.
And one of them is that in April 2010, I can confirm for you that Alex was pro-Tea Party.
So he does end up getting on board with the Tea Party by April 2010.
He was also pro-Oath Keepers, who were very closely aligned with the rising tide in the Tea Party.
And that's where April 2010 went in a wild direction.
On April 15th, 2010, president of the Cleveland chapter of the Oath Keepers, Matthew Fairfield, was arrested and indicted on 28 explosives charges, 25 counts of receiving stolen property, and one count of possessing criminal tools.
When the police searched his home, they found a literal napalm bomb that he had constructed, as well as child pornography.
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From an article on Cleveland.com, quote, that's a tough two-hander.
Quote, a retired ATF agent said that the discovery of the homemade bomb was particularly troubling because napalm is designed to target people.
Of course, this wasn't any kind of isolated event.
Quote, Fairfield was previously convicted and sentenced to two years' probation in February for carrying concealed weapons.
He strapped a loaded gun to his ankle while attending an event at a country fairgrounds.
The napalm bomb is obviously a huge red flag, but this guy also had a bit of an armory going.
Quote, officers seized a detonator car, detonators, two M4 assault rifles, a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun, a .22-caliber bolt-action rifle, and two semi-automatic handguns from the home.
So here was the president of the Oathkeepers chapter in a city of a population over 2 million people being arrested for building a bomb that was meant to target people with napalm.
And Alex doesn't talk about it at all.
Doesn't come up in the least.
That sucks.
Because I kind of wish that Alex had claimed it was a false flag meant to make the Oath Keepers look bad because then I could have told you all about Darren Huff, the Tennessee Oathkeeper who got arrested on April 30th, 2010, for planning an armed takeover of Madisonville, Tennessee's courthouse, where he would assert control, then put everyone under citizens' arrest.
I could tell you about how he had 300 rounds of ammo and an AK-47 as well as a handgun because, quote, I've got my 45 because ain't no government official gonna go peacefully.
I could tell you about how Huff only went to take over that town because they were hosting a trial for a sovereign citizen weirdo named Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, who's being tried for trying to make a citizen's arrest on the foreman of a grand jury that he had nothing to do with, which led to him being charged with inciting a riot and disrupting an official public meeting.
I could tell you that Huff was under surveillance the entire time he was traveling from his home in Georgia to Madisonville because he bragged to a bank employee that he and some militia buddies were going to take over Madisonville.
I could tell you about how the city of Madisonville surreptitiously rescheduled Fitzpatrick's hearing and told courthouse employees to stay home that day.
So Huff and his militia buddies ended up showing up to an empty courthouse under total surveillance.
I get it mixed up because there was another story about another guy from the Oath Keepers who may or may not have had a stolen grenade launcher that he claimed, I didn't know it was a grenade launcher.
I don't know if that's 100% accurate, but that was what the understanding was growing up there.
It's like no one goes to Lanai.
You can't go there.
They're owned by Dole.
Anyway.
Yeah, very weird.
So all that is to say, I kind of wanted to talk about that stuff, even though it's relevant to this episode, but not 100%.
Alex doesn't talk about things that are real-world damaging to him.
He does predictively prepare people for these narratives that are going to be dangerous to him or real-world events that he knows are coming that he can't avoid.
He could avoid that thing with the Oathkeeper guy.
This one he can't avoid.
He knows that the guy that he is the biggest fan of is acting in such a way that it jeopardizes the safety of journalists.
And in order to protect himself from the inevitable outcome of this, he has to create the false flag narrative.
So the issue is that it's not just this.
It's not just about saying that these bombs are fake.
There's something much deeper at hand here.
And this is why everyone needs to be very worried.
But when we do the second hour, I'm going to play Mike Adams predicting it all.
I'm predicting it all.
But understand, here's the big emergency.
These are only probing attacks to shut it up and to test the public while they buy the Soros and Hillary and Bill and Obama and she and her poor victims.
This is introducing them as the targets.
They can whine and moan and predict if Trump doesn't stop, you're going to get us all killed.
And then enrolls that big-ass truck bomb into CNN Center Atlanta.
He's essentially convinced or seduced all of the right-wing media to his way of being, which is to normalize white violence and white terrorism to the point now where we have an entire political party and their propaganda organs that are in service of, man, if any white guys do anything, it's fake.
No, because Alex has been wrong about so many things in the past.
No, I know.
I don't think that anybody should take him saying that to be evidence that it's going to happen.
But I would say that Alex thinks it's going to happen.
You can clearly see that from that clip.
He thinks that shit, this is going to escalate.
And he knows that because he knows what his fans are like.
That's why he runs away from them on the street.
That's why he knows.
He doesn't want to go into the Trump rally because there's too many Trump people in there.
He knows that.
That's why he yells at a piece of shit and calls it Beto outside instead of actually engaging and being a part of the thing that he's created.
He knows.
He knows that there are dangerous people on that side and statistics back that up.
And there's no reason why he would make that prediction and say it's going to be a false flag if he didn't have some reason to believe this is probably going to happen and we need damage control.
I'm sure there are fingerprints somewhere, and this investigation is going to happen.
It's going to, like, more facts will come out, and we'll be able to discuss them more accurately as that happens.
But at the same time, if you're the person who did it and you see an entire political party working their ass off in order to present it as if you weren't doing the thing that you did, I don't know what other message that sends to would-be bombers.
It sends a message of, hey, if you do this, we're going to bat for you.
Even if you don't get caught, we're going to do our best to make sure that people think it was this shadowy cabal of definitely not Jews.
So, I mean, the world that we're entering is super fucked up and dangerous if we don't step up and the media doesn't step up.
I know some people are doing a good job about it.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying everybody sucks.
But people need to step up and talk about it in these terms.
They're normalizing terrorism.
It's not a situation of, hey, what's this quirky false flag hashtag that's going around?
It's not that.
It is, this is, intentionally or not, the right wing seeking to normalize and make okay white terrorism.
Now, granted, I'm saying that with no idea if the person who's doing this is white.
But the reason that I'm putting that piece into the equation is because look at the MO and past history of the people who are doing this, who are in the media.
There are people like Alex Jones, like Tucker Carlson, like Lou Dobbs, like Rush Limbaugh.
These are people who have made careers out of justifying white crimes and minimizing the effect on their victims.
These are the people who, I mean, Tucker Carlson did fine for himself on Crossfire, but he wasn't making nearly the amount of money he is now being just a lapdog who is justifying white supremacy on a nightly basis.
So, like, I'm saying that they're doing this in an effort to normalize white terrorism because of the people in the media who are doing it.
Their behavior is in line with past instances of white terrorism.
Not necessarily that the perpetrator, once they're caught, is white.
I just needed to make that clear, lest it seem like I'm saying that when I accept there's an entire world out there of possibilities of who this person or persons are.
On a smaller scale, though, too, Alex does have a staff.
And the people who would have maybe been like, I don't know about this, by natural selection, they're gone already.
Like, you know, Jakari Jackson didn't like the trend of things that were going on and he quit.
I don't know.
Look, I'm not trying to be too fatalistic or too like, hey, everyone, freak out.
But if we are not more careful about how we allow stories to be told, how we allow the media to behave, and I'm not saying, let's put stringent rules on the media.
But people who are writing these stories, people who are writing the headlines of these articles, need to be substantially more careful.
They need to be more aware of what's actually going on and what the intention and effect of this right-wing propaganda is.
It's incredibly difficult, and I do not, I am not in any way jealous of their position.
I couldn't do it.
So I'm not saying, hey, I'm not wagging the finger, like, I could do your job or anything like that.
I couldn't.
But I also didn't go get a journalism degree.
So you guys put yourself in this position because you studied journalism and now have made a career out of being journalists.
So we, the public, trust you to know how to do journalism.
And we trust you to adapt to the times that we're in and not fall into the traps of these right-wing propagandists that will lead us all down the road to hell where any attack on anybody on the left is seen as fake because that's where we're going.
Without well, it'll be much worse soon.
But that's where we're going if we don't get the help we need.
And I say we, I don't mean the left, I mean people because it's easy for it to swing the other way too.
And I don't think we want that.
Anyway, sorry this is a bummer.
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Hopefully there will be just boo, boo, terrorism, boo.