Today, Dan and Jordan follow up on the last episode and discuss how Alex Jones' narrative about all of his enemies receiving bombs has evolved, and not in a positive way. It's now a false flag the Democrats are doing to themselves, so the gents discuss how dangerous an idea this is, and how troubling it is that so much of the right wing media is on board with him about it.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| What the fuck is going on? | ||
| I can't answer that question for you. | ||
| I just want to know what the fuck is going on, Dan! | ||
| It's a bad interview question. | ||
| I just want to know what the fuck is going on. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I'll say that I don't feel great about our last episode, but it's not our fault. | ||
| I don't feel good about it because we were operating under the context, because when we recorded it... | ||
| That the guy who left a bomb in Soros' mailbox was an isolated incident. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been fun! | ||
| I kind of was operating under that assumption, certainly, because why would you assume something other than the facts that are in front of you? | ||
| Right! | ||
| And so, when I posted that episode, I was up until about 1.30 or so on Tuesday night, putting the episode up, went to bed, woke up in the morning, boot up the old computer, see how the world is doing. | ||
| Bombs are... | ||
| That's the first headline I saw. | ||
| Watch out! | ||
| There's a bomb next to you right now! | ||
| It's crazy because, as I talked about on the Tuesday episode, on Monday night, I had trouble sleeping, barely slept. | ||
| I'm like, ah, finally, I'll get some sleep in. | ||
| I sleep, I wake up, more bombs! | ||
| I'm like, never sleeping again! | ||
| It's actually your fault. | ||
| Every time we've gone to sleep, in the past three days, Dan, every time we have gone to sleep, we have woken up to finding out another bomb has been sent somewhere. | ||
| I refuse to make that connection. | ||
| I'm just saying! | ||
| There are far wilder accusations being thrown around than the very act of sleep is causing bombings. | ||
| It's one of those weird things about covering Alex Jones in the present because he's so full of shit and the world is so crazy right now. | ||
| Our episodes of the present are almost instantly dated. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| And they're almost instantly, not inaccurate, but don't have the full picture just by virtue of how everything changes on a dime, on an instant. | ||
| So I stand by the things I said. | ||
| I still believe the stuff I said, but also now add in all these other people who have received bombs as opposed to Soros. | ||
| And I mean, you look at the list of the people. | ||
| It's still all people that Alex Jones screams about all the time. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| I don't think that it's unique that these are all people that Alex yells about because the right-wing world has become so Alex Jones-ified. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, so Jones-ified. | ||
| I'm just going to let that sit. | ||
| I intentionally did that while you were taking a sip. | ||
| It's become so much that that all of the people are attacking all of these people. | ||
| So it almost becomes such a blur as to, like, what could motivate this? | ||
| To the point where, honestly, if the only way I would be convinced that this is Alex Jones motivated, not Trump, Tucker Carlson, all that, just the whole world of the right motivated, is if Brian Stelter got one. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because Alex is probably the only person who screams about Brian Stelter all the time. | ||
| Who's really, really mad at Brian Stelter. | ||
| Yeah, you need some sort of control group situation. | ||
| My new theory. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Scorsese. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| See, why else would De Niro get... | ||
| A bomb along with everybody else. | ||
| I'll tell you why. | ||
| This whole thing is just to mask that Scorsese is pissed off that De Niro spent those 20 years in the wilderness doing fucking meet the clumps movies or whatever it is he does. | ||
| Meet the fuckers? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Look who's fucking now. | ||
| Look who is fucking now. | ||
| It's not De Niro! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Suck it, De Niro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, someone I don't want to say suck it to. | ||
| Is our new donors. | ||
| Amazing transition. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Very thrilled to have a couple of new people signing up with the team. | ||
| We appreciate it also very much. | ||
| First of all, I'd like to say, hey, Jeff, thank you so much for becoming a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Bless you, Jeff. | ||
| Thank you very much, Jeff. | ||
| Also, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who came in on a little bit of a higher level. | ||
| We appreciate it also very much. | ||
| Oliver, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Sharp. | ||
| Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little, little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you, Oliver. | ||
| Thank you very much, Oliver. | ||
| He's coming in at the Technocrat level? | ||
| Yeah, such a thrill. | ||
| We appreciate it so much. | ||
| Is that you, Oliver North? | ||
| I knew you were listening. | ||
| I knew you were listening. | ||
| He liked that we make fun of Larry Nichols. | ||
| That's true! | ||
| Yeah, that could be. | ||
| That's science. | ||
| So if you'd like to support the show and what we do, we would really appreciate it. | ||
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| We have thanks to our donors and the support. | ||
| We will have our documentary breakdown of the Obama deception. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Coming up in the near future. | ||
| I realized, I looked at the vote totals. | ||
| There's no way for me to justify doing one of the other ones. | ||
| The will of the people is the Obama deception. | ||
| We must follow through with it. | ||
| So that will be coming up, and also there's a ton of website content that will be coming up if we reach that next goal that is driving me crazy. | ||
| But, for now, Jordan, I said at the top of the show that we didn't have all the information at our disposal when we did our last episode on Wednesday. | ||
| And unfortunately, I thought, well, the only responsible thing to do is now that there's more of the story available, as much as it sucks to talk about a present-day episode, I feel like it's our responsibility to jump in and do another present-day episode to go over what Alex Jones is talking about now. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So I tuned in, and this is going to be the October 24th episode, so from Wednesday. | ||
| In this first clip we're going to be listening to here, Alex is talking to Owen Troyer about the situation that has unfolded all around us. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yes, they did do a sweep of other houses. | ||
| Stay there. | ||
| Let's come back and talk about this live, exclusive coverage from the site of what's probably commie bombings. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Coming out the gate hard! | ||
| Nice that we got Owen Troyer on the scene. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I fucked up my clips. | ||
| Actually, that was from March 12th of this year during the Austin situation. | ||
| Those were commie bombings. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Those were commie bombings. | ||
| Everything got totally mixed up with all my clips. | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| I thought that was one of the present day ones. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| I got it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| This is actually the first clip that we're going to listen to here from October 24th, 2018. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| And since the globalists are getting ready to carry out OKC2, there's no doubt about it. | ||
| They're playing the exact same propaganda that led up to what they did. | ||
| It's not just Alex Jones noticing this today. | ||
| It is people in Congress. | ||
| It's Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| It's Michael Savage. | ||
| It's countless other bloggers and talk show hosts. | ||
| And that's the good news. | ||
| The feds did this in 93. They cooked the bomb, trained the driver. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I fucked up again. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That was from April 20th, 2010. | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| I completely fucked up again. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, that's two in a row. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| That could be a coincidence. | ||
| I need three to form a pattern, and then I will know whether or not this is going in any direction. | ||
| Honestly, it was my intention to just do that the entire episode. | ||
| Like, that would be a way that we could escape actually talking about the present. | ||
| But unfortunately, my archives of clips are much more difficult to go through than I would like to think. | ||
| So those are just the two that I pulled there to demonstrate, like, alright, whenever he talks about bombings, it kind of goes the same way. | ||
| It's always false flag stuff. | ||
| I don't know if I can trust you when you say that now. | ||
| So here's the first clip from today's... | ||
| I don't know if I can trust you. | ||
| This is from October 24th, 2018. | ||
| And it's a little bit of a pre-taped thing that he did with Roger Stone. | ||
| And you'll see the sort of vibe he's putting out here. | ||
| So, I'm sure now that this is one of their big October surprises in the next month or two. | ||
| To stage something or provoke something and blame it on me. | ||
| And Roger Stone concurs. | ||
| We do not want any violence. | ||
| We decry it. | ||
| We stand against it. | ||
| We're winning politically. | ||
| It's the left calling for violence and shooting Scalise and beating up Rand Paul and everything else. | ||
| But the fact that they're saying I'm calling for this when I never said it is chilling. | ||
| So this is an emergency alert to get out ahead of this. | ||
| Roger? | ||
| Let's be as clear as we possibly can. | ||
| Alex Jones and Infowars do not advocate violence against the media or anyone else. | ||
| If there is an attack on any media outlet or any... | ||
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A reporter. | |
| It is not countenanced by us. | ||
| It is not advocated by us. | ||
| It is not done by us. | ||
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It is a false flag with the goal of blaming Alex Jones. | |
| How do we get out ahead of this, though? | ||
| Because this is pure scripting. | ||
| We're about to literally invade a country. | ||
| I think we just did. | ||
| Hey, mission accomplice, raise that banner up. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| Nothing to worry about. | ||
| You can hear in Roger Stone that he's a little bit more... | ||
| He's using legal language. | ||
| He's like, we didn't countenance this. | ||
| I think that might be because he's getting a lot of Mueller heat. | ||
| He might be a little bit of the mind of legal actions. | ||
| Any resemblance to characters, living or dead, who have previously called for violence towards the media, the specific people who were bombed, they do not represent Alex Jones or Roger Stone, despite the fact that on... | ||
| Countless numbers of times they have called for direct violence towards these people. | ||
| Dot, dot, dot, politically. | ||
| Alex doesn't want violence at all, and he never has. | ||
| That's always been his position, that he is just a peaceful man. | ||
| So let's go back to January 5th, 2018. | ||
| Disingenuous, fake, false, broke back, twisted, a defiler, a betrayer, a backstabber, a devil! | ||
| You will pay. | ||
| Yeah, you think I don't see your face, scum? | ||
| You don't think I don't see you, Stelter? | ||
| I see you, you understand me? | ||
| I know what you think of me and my family. | ||
| I see you right back. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| You understand that, Delta? | ||
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Stelter, you will fall! | |
| So, I mean, that's a little bit advocating of violence. | ||
| No, no, it's just claiming that he is a demon, and that means that you as a moral person have no choice but to end the demon. | ||
| That's not violent. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, it's like in The Exorcist, where The Exorcist saw the demon and was like... | ||
| All right, we need to negotiate calmly and peacefully with you. | ||
| As you do with demons. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So that's a little vague and stuff like that, but here's a clip from March 20th of this year. | ||
| And that somehow it's bad if he controls the executive and cleans house. | ||
| Talk about Trump. | ||
| If anything, he's in dereliction of duty, letting this Clinton cabal run wild at the Justice Department. | ||
| He needs to move on their ass, and I mean, like they're calling for extrajudicial? | ||
| That's illegal. | ||
| Once they call... | ||
| The president can do that with covert action. | ||
| And that's the best thing for the country. | ||
| So, the president should take covert action against his supposed enemies just because I believe that they're saying they're going to do that to him. | ||
| It's extrajudicial, which is illegal. | ||
| He should wait until it's legal for him to kill these people. | ||
| Come on, Dan. | ||
| Right, fair enough. | ||
| But you get what I'm saying. | ||
| There's a nonsensical aspect to Alex's, like, I love violence. | ||
| Never, never. | ||
| I'm totally against violence. | ||
| You can never say that I have ever encouraged anything of the sort. | ||
| Hey, Dan, anybody who's... | ||
| If he says that I encourage violence, I encourage you to fill your hand and we'll solve this. | ||
| I'll beat your ass. | ||
| So that pre-taped clip with Roger Stone is very clearly preemptive damage control. | ||
| Because I think that they probably got the sense of like, uh-oh, we better put out a video that we can play in court where we literally say, if somebody does something, it is not something we encourage. | ||
| They should really have opened every show with that video since 1999. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| So the other thing, too, that's really fun here is that in that clip that Alex plays right before his show, there's a little bit that he forgot to cut out of it. | ||
| All right, folks, we're going to be covering all of this. | ||
| Are there two people worse than you guys in America right now? | ||
| No, you. | ||
| I think CNN and the New York Times were putting the Iraq war. | ||
| But that's all they wanted. | ||
| He didn't want a response. | ||
| Classical fascist fake leftist coward. | ||
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Keep moving. | |
| You notice that these cowards, all they can do is misrepresent, and then they didn't want the answer. | ||
| He wanted to get the little token for his friends and his miserable lives, and then lie about us. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| Why did you keep that in? | ||
| Why didn't he cut that out? | ||
| Some guy just looks over and tells him that he sucks, and he's like, hey, you know who I think sucks? | ||
| CNN, 15 years ago. | ||
| I prefer Roger Stone's response, which was... | ||
| Chicken shit? | ||
| No, his first response, he said, are there any two people worse than you right now? | ||
| And Roger's first response is, Yeah, you. | ||
| I thought that was Alex. | ||
| No, that was Roger. | ||
| I like to keep moving. | ||
| And that was like, first off, I'm only one guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, you gotta come up with more than two. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta work a little harder on that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| When he come back. | ||
| You chicken shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm just... | ||
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What? | |
| How would you literally... | ||
| And then... | ||
| Is there anybody worse than you? | ||
| The very people who got bombs sent to them! | ||
| You re-instigated the very violence that you tried to decry a moment before! | ||
| You bet. | ||
| And that is not going to not be a theme on this show. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So here's where Alex gets to talking about stuff actually in studio, not in this pre-taped thing. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we are live broadcasting worldwide with only 13 days out to the 2018 historic elections. | ||
| Bombs sent to Clinton? | ||
| Obama? | ||
| CNN evacuated George Soros and more. | ||
| Right on time so they can play the victim. | ||
| We saw the PR rollout that I was saying used battle rifles and bombs and things on the media. | ||
| None of it was true. | ||
| Why would they push that? | ||
| Because they were preparing the ground, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| And they've got their giant migrant caravans, now over 50,000 people, being shipped in on U.N. and U.S.-funded vehicles from USAID. | ||
| Nice pivot. | ||
| And it's in mainstream news, what I told you last week, that George Soros doesn't pay for it. | ||
| The U.S. taxpayer through the U.N. pays for it. | ||
| And his foundations run the operations. | ||
| That's mainstream news. | ||
| Yeah, is that what you said? | ||
| Documents all coming up. | ||
| And they're being trucked up, just like we predicted to slam into the border two days before the election. | ||
| There'll be more than 200,000 people when they hit. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| That escalated really quick! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Didn't he say more than 20,000? | ||
| And then he went with 200,000? | ||
| I think it's at 50,000 now. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Isn't it closer to seven? | ||
| The report that I was reading the other day was around there, yeah. | ||
| I think, I mean, isn't... | ||
| I've made this point many times. | ||
| Alex isn't good with numbers. | ||
| No. | ||
| Everything is an exaggeration. | ||
| Everything is more severe than it needs to be. | ||
| A lot of that is really boring. | ||
| That clip is like... | ||
| But it's exactly what I expected to find on Tuesday's show. | ||
| And it's interesting to me that it takes him until Wednesday to come out with this narrative. | ||
| Because it's the obvious narrative. | ||
| It's exactly what... | ||
| Yeah, it's the Fox News narrative. | ||
| It's his knee-jerk reaction. | ||
| That's what you should have done on Tuesday. | ||
| The story was already rolling on Tuesday. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And if he had come on his show on Tuesday and been like, oh, someone sent a bomb to Soros. | ||
| It's a false flag. | ||
| I bet you next they're going to say that it was Clinton. | ||
| Clinton's going to get a bomb, too. | ||
| Then the next day he'd be like, I said this yesterday. | ||
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I knew... | |
| You'd get even more hay out of it. | ||
| But instead... | ||
| He's lame. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| I know that on our last episode I said that there's no universe I believe exists that Alex didn't know about Soros getting a bomb. | ||
| Did he maybe not know? | ||
| I wonder if maybe... | ||
| Maybe he didn't know? | ||
| I think it might be possible. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, I mean, why... | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Why would he do this show on Wednesday instead of Tuesday? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| Unless all of his shows are heavily scripted. | ||
| They do dress rehearsals. | ||
| He couldn't, like, break the script. | ||
| If that's the case, then I understand why it's like, that show is scheduled for Wednesday. | ||
| We have Tuesday's script memorized. | ||
| He's more professional than Jimmy Fallon, then. | ||
| He doesn't break. | ||
| We did all the blocking. | ||
| You're doing Tuesday's show Tuesday, no matter what. | ||
| I don't care about breaking news. | ||
| Hit your lines! | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| So in this next clip, he talks more about why it's a false flag. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we are live broadcasting worldwide. | ||
| I am your host, Alex Jones, and we're 13 days out from the midterm elections, and all hell is breaking loose, obviously. | ||
| Coming up, I'm going to wait to the second hour, but we've got it all ready and prepared for you. | ||
| Dozens and dozens of clips, and I'm going to show you the news articles for yourself here in a moment, where in the last few months, you can go see it for yourself. | ||
| Do you have advocated violence? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And precisely how they are preparing the public for the idea that Trump and the conservative pro-America media aren't just Nazis. | ||
| They are. | ||
| But that they are terrorists who are going to attack the media and attack universities, attack the Democratic Party. | ||
| Jury's out on that one. | ||
| To say that our political actions are illegitimate and that we are going to cause all of this violence, so we need to be shut down. | ||
| I wouldn't say the last one is true. | ||
| This is a situation where you just get into this stupid game that he plays that there's really no way out of without just saying, like, I'm out. | ||
| I reject this. | ||
| Because what he's describing is the media covering... | ||
| Trump's rhetoric, Alex's rhetoric, in such a way that they're saying, hey, you know, in history, a lot of times when people acted this way and demonized a certain population, that population ended up getting... | ||
| Attacked! | ||
| Yeah, they ended up getting killed or beaten up or marginalized even further than they already were. | ||
| As we have seen them do. | ||
| Whether it be a minority group or, in this case, journalists. | ||
| You know, in countries that have slipped away from democratic principles, largely the first step down that road is demonizing the media. | ||
| You saw it with Hugo Chavez. | ||
| You've seen it throughout Eastern Europe in tons of countries. | ||
| The idea of a free press is one of the most dangerous things to autocrats. | ||
| So, like, when you have that... | ||
| The media covers it in such a way that says, hey, everyone, be careful about this. | ||
| This is really not good. | ||
| They're saying we're all terrorists! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Great, dude. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Fucking fine. | ||
| The stimulus, there's literally no difference between the reality of the media warning about something and Alex saying, oh, they're trying to demonize us. | ||
| What makes both sides do what they do is the same. | ||
| It's just that one side's reaction is super defensive and full of shit. | ||
| And there's really nothing you can do about that. | ||
| There's nothing you can do about it because me saying this, Alex would be like, oh, you're a fool. | ||
| You can't see through, you can't read between the lines. | ||
| Here's the most obvious reason that these guys know their rhetoric is violent and is causing violence. | ||
| They are defending this. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Before we know anything about who sent the bombs. | ||
| You texted me that, and I thought that was such a good distillation of this. | ||
| All you need to know is... | ||
| They know they're at fault. | ||
| They didn't even wait for five seconds. | ||
| And they might not be at fault for this one! | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| They might be fine. | ||
| It's a minuscule chance, but this might be a false flag, and they're not even giving it a chance. | ||
| I think the odds, I agree, minuscule, but I would even shrink it from there. | ||
| Microscopic. | ||
| But the nature of whoever is doing this is certainly not determined at this point. | ||
| We don't know anything. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| And no right-wing media outlet is at all saying, like, None of them are even saying, let's hold on and find out who's done this before we preemptively defend our own terrorism. | ||
| They're admitting by defending it before we know anything that they know they are causing violence. | ||
| On our last episode, I said that Alex is responsible for this in a spiritual sense. | ||
| I still do believe that. | ||
| No matter who the person is, no matter what they are. | ||
| I still think that Alex has helped us get to the point in society in terms of the rhetoric that's acceptable, that sort of thing, that we can now be where we are. | ||
| But that is not to say that, like, I don't think it would be appropriate for us to be like, this was a right-wing guy for sure. | ||
| No! | ||
| We can have, like, hmm, looks like it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But for us to report that or to advocate for that would be stupid. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| The fact that the entire right-wing media sphere, all the people, even people who were, like, formerly had the pretense of, like, I'm not Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People like Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| People like, uh, yeah. | ||
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False flag. | |
| Lou Dobbs. | ||
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False flag. | |
| False flag. | ||
| Everybody is saying false flag. | ||
| Not one person is even entertaining them. | ||
| None of them have even come out and been like... | ||
| It could just be alone crazy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| None of them have even given any other possibility. | ||
| And I think you're totally right that that does indicate a sense of awareness that they must have that's like, we gotta get in front of this thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because otherwise, when the truth comes out, we're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's a strategy that I think a lot of these people have learned from propagandists like Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, that's not good. | ||
| Now, in his next clip, Alex has been, he's made his thesis clear that the bombings, or the attempted bombings, of all of these Democrats, Robert De Niro, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You know, it's just, it's ballooned from where it was. | ||
| Eric Holder. | ||
| A lot of people getting bombs. | ||
| Yeah, and he's said that it's fake, and it's clearly them doing it to themselves because they need sympathy in the midterms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's going to be blamed for and demonized. | ||
| That's his sort of... | ||
| Baseline narrative. | ||
| And he'll develop it a little bit more later. | ||
| But in order to make his point, he needs to link it to another bomb, attempted bombing of recent day. | ||
| And this isn't good. | ||
| This is a bad connection. | ||
| He's not going to do the Boston one, is he? | ||
| The big story at Infowars.com and Newswars.com is that... | ||
| A pipe bomb got mailed yesterday, a very small little pipe bomb. | ||
| Oh, just a little pipe bomb. | ||
| To one of George Soros' palatial mansions in New York. | ||
| It could barely even destroy half of it. | ||
| Then, another similar pipe bomb reportedly got mailed to CNN, one to Obama, and one, of course, to the Clintons. | ||
| Of course? | ||
| All there in New York. | ||
| Now, remember, if you go back... | ||
| About a month ago, a gentleman was busted in New York cooking up, he's pled guilty, a 200-pound bomb in his basement to bomb the Republicans to cancel the election. | ||
| He was going to detonate it inside the Washington Monument Mall on the morning of Election Day to try to cancel the election because the Republicans are going to try to steal the election or cancel it. | ||
| No, that doesn't make sense. | ||
| He's a crazy leftist. | ||
| He's pled guilty. | ||
| So that's really bad. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| Alex is juxtaposing the stories of all of his enemies receiving mail bombs with a story about this guy out of New York who had worked on building a 200-pound bomb to blow up the National Mall on Election Day. | ||
| He's doing this and claiming that the man was a deranged leftist because he doesn't know anything, but this false narrative serves his purposes to present the idea that the Soros-Clinton-Obama bombs are false flags by the left. | ||
| The problem is that Paul Rosenfeld, the man who built that bomb, was not a leftist. | ||
| Nor is it any mystery as to what his intentions were in planning to blow up D.C. He wasn't angry at the Republicans, as Alex is reporting. | ||
| At least he was no more angry with them than he was at all government. | ||
| From the FBI press release, quote, All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now we're getting closer to me being on this kind of team. | ||
| I'm getting there. | ||
| It's crazy to build a bomb to do this, but I read some of his writing, and it doesn't come off as crazy as a lot of the manifestos you end up reading. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm very glad that they caught him. | ||
| How good was he with the bomb? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know too much about that. | ||
| It seems like it'd be hard to build a home-brewed 200-pound bomb. | ||
| That's big. | ||
| Big. | ||
| It's hard to build. | ||
| You gotta load it in a van and you're already texting people your plans? | ||
| That's not how you loan bomb somebody. | ||
| It's hard to bake. | ||
| Why am I giving advice? | ||
| It's hard to bake like a 200 pound cake, let alone a bomb, you know? | ||
| It's uh... | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| But, I mean, the cake, I mean, obviously you don't want the cake to kind of sink in the middle. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| So that's far more dangerous. | ||
| There's a lot of difficulties. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, than the parts of a bomb. | ||
| So Rosenfeld wasn't a leftist, though he did think the country was going in the wrong direction. | ||
| The thing is, he'd felt like that for a long time before Trump came on the scene. | ||
| He'd written blog posts years ago called things like the extinction of politics and others insisting sortition was the only way to go. | ||
| He opposed the democratic process as a whole and voting. | ||
| Which is why he chose Election Day for his planned suicide. | ||
| He was going to kill himself with the bomb. | ||
| Yeah, how are you going to... | ||
| What, has he got a timer? | ||
| No. | ||
| You just got to hit that thing with a hammer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He wrote, quote, Most people imagine that democracy and monarchy are different animals, | ||
| but they are actually cousins. | ||
| He wrote that before it appeared that Trump was going to be the next president. | ||
| He wrote that before Jeb asked people to clap and got cucked out of the election. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Did you mean... | ||
| Jeb! | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But the thing is, that sounds exactly like what Alex was saying about Jeb Bush in the 2016 election. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| But with slightly better grammar and more developed ideas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, sortition is a philosophy that is not largely associated with the left. | ||
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I don't think it's associated with many people other than... | |
| Well, you know who it is sort of associated with? | ||
| The famous socialists? | ||
| No, the anarcho-capitalists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who are generally now, like, they like to hang out with libertarians. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Classical liberals. | ||
| So, I mean, like, I'm not saying that sortition is the... | ||
| The sole possession of the right or anything like that. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| But it does have a heavy overlap with people who are anarcho-capitalists, who aren't left, who are not liberals. | ||
| And when your philosophy involves the erosion, intentional erosion, or getting rid of the democratic process... | ||
| You're on a whole different spectrum. | ||
| Yeah, there's really no left or right on that one. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| There isn't even really a Venn diagram that includes, like, what if the short story, the lottery, but instead of getting killed, they become leader? | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex trying to say that this guy was mad at Republicans, and that's why he was going to blow up the National Mall, is foolish and stupid. | ||
| He doesn't know anything about the story, but he needs it in order to connect to this other story to try and reinforce the idea that all of these bombs are clearly some sort of a Democratic fault. | ||
| And it super doesn't matter if it's true or not. | ||
| But that's one of the things that I... | ||
| It doesn't even matter if it's a real story. | ||
| He's not going to talk about it again. | ||
| Well, he does. | ||
| He talks about it like three times on this episode. | ||
| That's one of the things I care about. | ||
| Like, if he wants to present the idea that all of these are false flags, he shouldn't bring up a story to reinforce that belief that he doesn't know anything about and doesn't actually prove his point at all. | ||
| I want him to do better, is what I'm saying. | ||
| And this is just super disappointing. | ||
| It's always a tell. | ||
| What bombings are false flags and what bombings are not false flags. | ||
| I think we'll get into that a little bit later. | ||
| It just seems like, statistically, your right-wing bombers can't all be false flags. | ||
| Don't tell Alex that. | ||
| He would start yelling at you. | ||
| Even if there were a ton of left-wing bombers that were false flags by the right, I'd still be like... | ||
| Yeah, some of them had to be, like, for real left-wing bombers. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Can't all be false flags. | ||
| I promise you we'll get into bombing statistics here in a little bit. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| But before we do, Alex has to take umbrage with the media. | ||
| Oh, somebody should bomb him! | ||
| For painting him in an unfair light. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Let's go back now to just a few... | ||
| Weeks ago and a few months ago. | ||
| Here's two weeks ago. | ||
| Brett Kavanaugh and the information terrorist trying to reshape America. | ||
| First person they attacked is yours truly, saying, I am a terrorist. | ||
| That's Wired Magazine in a huge 30-page article of Pure Bolt. | ||
| So I found that article. | ||
| What Alex seems to now want to point out is that the headline is actually Brett Kavanaugh and the Information Terrorists, plural. | ||
| It's about people like Jack Posobiec, Mike Cernovich, and all those assholes who are weaponizing information, especially in the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation process. | ||
| I was going to say, that's a weird article for Wired to write if it doesn't have anything to do with technology at all. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| From the article, quote, Oh! | ||
| So... | ||
| Information wars! | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| So, what? | ||
| What, are we just gonna use the definitions of all words to determine what they mean now, Dan? | ||
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He plays dirty in the information war. | |
| Ergo, he's an information terrorist! | ||
| Oh, do you mean because in the information war, he intentionally stokes fear in order to get a political result? | ||
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Oh, yeah! | |
| He's some sort of terrorist, Dan? | ||
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Oh, yeah! | |
| What? | ||
| What else is a terrorist now? | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| They don't call him a terrorist. | ||
| They discuss this idea of information terrorism. | ||
| It's an interesting concept, but I don't know how helpful it is. | ||
| Because even in that part of the article, terrorism is defined as the unlawful use of violence. | ||
| And if you are using that as your definition of terrorism, it's not illegal most of the things Alex is doing. | ||
| So he's only a sometimes information terrorist. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But a lot of the stuff that he's doing that's particularly distasteful often doesn't fall under illegal things. | ||
| Maybe that's a minor squabble, but that's the only thing. | ||
| That's the only leg Alex would have to stand on if he wanted to argue why this article is unfair. | ||
| Because the rest of it's totally fair. | ||
| And also, it is nowhere near 30 pages long. | ||
| I was about to say, there's no way that a Wired article is 30 pages long! | ||
| No chance! | ||
| Alex probably just scrolled down like four times. | ||
| He's like, oh man, I'm bored. | ||
| This is a million pages! | ||
| He gets to the picture of himself. | ||
| He's like, ooh, it's getting good. | ||
| Scrolls down a little more. | ||
| No more pictures of me. | ||
| Carol Quigley, keep writing. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Here's a question. | ||
| So now all of the right-wing media is united in calling this a false flag. | ||
| Maybe not all, but all the... | ||
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Essentially. | |
| Mostly, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| If we apply this to, I don't know, a while back... | ||
| This would be very similar to all of the right-wing media saying... | ||
| Las Vegas was a false flag. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Sandy Hook was a false flag. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Heather Heyer's death in Charlottesville was a false flag. | ||
| So... | ||
| All of these things. | ||
| I ask you this question. | ||
| That's where we're going. | ||
| Is it legally actionable? | ||
| I mean, if legally you can say, we're going to sue Alex Jones for calling Sandy Hook a false flag. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it turns out that this is not a false flag. | ||
| I think that the only people who would have standing to sue him are the people who received the bombs. | ||
| I think that they have better things to do. | ||
| I really don't if it means they can take down the right-wing media. | ||
| Now that the target is not Alex Jones, the target is Fox News. | ||
| Yeah, but I also think that you'd have to realize how big of a court case that would be. | ||
| That would be the next ten years of your life, probably. | ||
| What else is Obama doing? | ||
| I don't think he wants that to be his legacy. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| What? | ||
| The guy who took down the worst propaganda outlet in American history? | ||
| Now, we see it that way. | ||
| But you know how ugly it would get? | ||
| You know how ugly it would get? | ||
| So ugly! | ||
| Lots of people would die. | ||
| One of them? | ||
| Barack Obama. | ||
| I think a lot of them know that it would be such an uphill battle. | ||
| You'd also end up redefining so many things. | ||
| I see no downside. | ||
| Except for if you are one of those people. | ||
| Like, I wouldn't want to do it. | ||
| Because I'm broke, but other reasons probably. | ||
| I think it would be a real headache. | ||
| It would be a bummer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be a bummer. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex just reinforces his idea that this is a big old false flag. | ||
| Now, it's not rocket science that when they start saying Jones wants violence against the Clintons. | ||
| You do. | ||
| And Jones wants violence against Soros, and he's going to get Soros hurt saying he was a Nazi collaborator. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He said that on 60 Minutes and in PR and in a book. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
| I played the clip many times. | ||
| Yes, you did, and he didn't say it. | ||
| That clearly, they're saying Trump's going to cause violence in the media when they're the ones calling for violence against him, 100 to 1. I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| The left calls for violence and carries out violence versus the right. | ||
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| He's saying there that the left carries out violence against folks 100 to 1. 100 to 1. And so I looked into this a little bit, and I'm going to read you this here. | ||
| Quote, an analysis of the global terrorism database by researchers at the University of Maryland published in 2017 shows a sharp increase in the share of attacks by right-wing extremists from 6% in the 2000s to 35% in the 2010s. | ||
| Hard to imagine what's caused that. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| 35%? | ||
| It went that high up? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Of all domestic terrorist acts are done by right-wing extremists. | ||
| It's probably the left in our language. | ||
| It's probably the left's fault. | ||
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It's our rhetoric. | |
| It's our rhetoric. | ||
| Also, by the way, what about the left-wing? | ||
| What did they find in that study about that? | ||
| Let's get the numbers. | ||
| I'm assuming that it has to be 3,500 percent. | ||
| Quote. | ||
| Meanwhile, the share of attacks by left-wing terrorists and environmental extremists dropped from 64% in the 2000s to 12% in the 2010s. | ||
| And a lot of that is because of the 64% in the 2000s. | ||
| There's a lot of eco-terrorism and animal rights activism. | ||
| So those were the 2016, that study was in 2016, and so they wanted to look into it a little bit further. | ||
| Quote, an analysis by courts of the same global terrorism database confirmed that the trend persisted in 2017, where most attacks in the U.S. were committed by right-wing extremists. | ||
| Out of 65 incidents that year, 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations. | ||
| In that same set of data, 11 were left-leaning actors from 2017. | ||
| Of the 65, 11 were left-leaning actors. | ||
| And a closer review of the data shows that six of these left-leaning Right. | ||
| attacks were done by animal liberation groups. | ||
| Right. | ||
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So that leaves five. | |
| And then there's also an environmental one here and there. | ||
| It's almost nothing by left-wing groups. | ||
| That is a very narrow picture of the courts, as opposed to the rampant increase of just... | ||
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Spraying the swastika on a synagogue. | |
| You know, like that kind of thing. | ||
| Which could be considered terrorism if you want to go by the legal definition of terrorism. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And when you expand that picture out, I think you'd find very similar things. | ||
| But in this case, because we're dealing with a person leaving bombs all over the place, and Alex is defensive about it, and talking about how the right wing doesn't do that stuff, it's always the left and shit like that, I feel like it's important to... | ||
| Look at this reality. | ||
| The only way for the right wing to discuss this element of reality is to present all the terrorism that is being done by their side as false flags. | ||
| There's literally no other way to avoid looking in the mirror and realizing that the statistics are terrifying. | ||
| They've actually outlawed mirrors. | ||
| Globally, the number of terrorist attacks has been on a healthy decline since 2014. | ||
| 17,000 or so attacks in 2014. | ||
| There's a drop-off going that is very considerable. | ||
| But in this country... | ||
| That trend is reversed. | ||
| In 2015, there were less than 40 such incidents. | ||
| In 2016 and 2017, the years when Trump's rhetoric has shifted the Overton window that dictates what sort of things are acceptable public speech, we see that number jump to 64 and 65 in those years, respectively. | ||
| So while the rest of the world is, even the Middle East, the numbers are going down. | ||
| We see ours going way up, and the share of them being right-wing extremists going way up with it. | ||
| So, I mean, the reality of what Alex wants to talk about just isn't true, and that's why he has to call all of this false. | ||
| He has to call all of this fake, or else you have to wrestle with the idea that, like, maybe we're doing this. | ||
| Maybe this is something that we're responsible for. | ||
| But if you do that, if Alex and Fox News and fucking Lou Dobbs or whoever, if they ever actually say, maybe what we're doing is inciting violence, their ratings are going to go down, right? | ||
| Isn't that their big issue? | ||
| Like, the biggest problem they have is not, are we causing the needless deaths of people? | ||
| It's, well, look at how popular we are now that we're calling for violence. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of ass covering. | ||
| There's a lot of, like, this is what we do. | ||
| This is my job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, of course. | ||
| I mean, yeah, naturally. | ||
| I mean, it's dehumanization on a mass scale. | ||
| Because, I mean, you look at the numbers, and not all of those attacks are fatal or anything like that. | ||
| That's good. | ||
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| But there are a number that are. | ||
| And when you look at that and you realize the human toll that those numbers represent, and you realize, like, oh, maybe we have a hand in that. | ||
| Maybe we're not... | ||
| A public good. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's tough, but, you know, the dollars. | ||
| Dollars! | ||
| I'm so glad that I'm not in the place, because this is something that I would imagine that every, like, human Fox News employee has to wrestle with on a daily basis of, like, I'm part of the evil here. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder how many of those are left. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, right? | ||
| Can I in good conscience keep working? | ||
| I make enough money to survive, and if I just quit this job with nothing lined up, I might go broke and have nothing to fall back on. | ||
| But at the same time, it's probably a moral imperative not to work for Fox News. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how that would work. | ||
| Or I don't know what that would be like. | ||
| I don't know what I would do. | ||
| I do know what I would do. | ||
| I'd move back to Missouri or something. | ||
| Yeah, I'd move in with my parents and kill myself, I guess. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, Alex has been saying that, like, I've been predicting this, and he's been touting that he has tons of proof, tons of articles to make his own proof, and here is that. | ||
| Show! | ||
| Alex Jones says platform bans are first step in globalist plot to carry out violent false flags. | ||
| That's August 6th, when we had red alerts about that. | ||
| Now it's beginning. | ||
| August 4th, protest, false flag warning, a perfect storm for stage deaths to demonize conservatives. | ||
| It's also a perfect storm for conservatives to bomb people. | ||
| Censorship purge points to imminent false flag violence before midterm elections bigger than 9-11 to be blamed on Trump and Alex Jones. | ||
| That's a Mike Adams article. | ||
| Emergency. | ||
| Deep state Democrats preparing false flag attacks against media, big tech to steal election. | ||
| The next stage of media censorship is about to be launched. | ||
| August 16th. | ||
| Emergency alert. | ||
| Media false flag imminent. | ||
| Alex Jones and Roger Stone issue an emergency warning about the latest media attacks and decry violence. | ||
| Media false flag imminent. | ||
| Millie Weaver. | ||
| August 17th. | ||
| Alex Jones warns the deep state will bomb federal buildings and blame Infowars. | ||
| We've got that video coming up. | ||
| And here we are, two months later, immediately after I put those out. | ||
| Emergency report. | ||
| Trump must take action now to stop false flags. | ||
| If not, he could fall victim to globalist trick that I predicted they would launch. | ||
| Two weeks before the election. | ||
| We have the clip where I call specifically two weeks before they would launch the bomb false flags. | ||
| Do you have all those clips where you predicted the summer of rage? | ||
| Alex, do you have all those clips where you predicted that the dollar was about to be completely devalued and everyone should buy gold? | ||
| If you say things repeatedly and keep varying up what you're predicting, eventually something, you're going to have a clip where you're like, ha ha, I was right! | ||
| So, I mean, yes, he probably did say it like two weeks before the election. | ||
| But I also guarantee there's a clip where he says... | ||
| A month before the election. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I guarantee there's another clip where he says, the day of. | ||
| I guarantee there's a clip last year where he says, it's coming. | ||
| I guarantee there's a clip before 2016. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Where he says, there's a false flag coming. | ||
| In 2015, in 2014, are you getting a pattern? | ||
| Now, the further thing that's really important here is all of those headlines are Infowars articles. | ||
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Oh, they are? | |
| This isn't proving anything except that he keeps saying this. | ||
| None of it depicts reality at all. | ||
| At no point in any of those articles or in anything that he says does he actually prove in any way that the media is planning to false flag themselves. | ||
| He just keeps saying it and then uses those articles that he and his team himself have produced as evidence that I got it right. | ||
| I got it right because this happened. | ||
| The way that he likes to try and present this, the argument that he tries to make about this, is that the reason that he's able to make these predictions throughout August and all this, is because it's like when you see commercials for the McRib. | ||
| You know that the McRib is coming back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because the commercials are telling you that the McRib is coming back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he sees the media say that his rhetoric is dangerous, and that means to him, I know that that means they're going to false flag themselves to blame me. | ||
| So he writes all these articles, and then, you know, when an attack happens... | ||
| Bing! | ||
| So... | ||
| I mean, sooner or later, a death cult is going to get the end of the world, right? | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| Because that's a little too extreme. | ||
| In this case, his version of it is this idea of, like, advertising. | ||
| It's like, you know, McDonald's wants you to buy this thing in the future so they prepare you to know that it's coming. | ||
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| Or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's great. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I'm not going to take away from his argument. | ||
| That's super fun. | ||
| But what I would rather relate it to, I would like to talk about Alex's actions as opposed to the media. | ||
| Because personally, I believe the media is pretty accurately warning people about the consequences of dehumanizing and violent, dangerous rhetoric. | ||
| So when I look at Alex's behavior of him consistently saying the media is going to false flag themselves, writing article after article about it, It's less like an advertisement. | ||
| And what it is, is it seems more like the PR department at a company that knows they're about to get caught for something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's like, we know we've been littering and polluting for a long time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we're pretty worried that somebody's about to put out a report about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what we're going to do is preemptively put a report out about how the watchdog group isn't, they're not credible. | ||
| They have been taking money from interests that want to take us down, because then when that report comes out about the polluting that they were actually doing, you have that to fall back on. | ||
| That groundwork has been laid before the story comes out, and you'd be like, oh no, look, we're not responding to this story. | ||
| We're responding to, like, we know that they're dirty. | ||
| It's a dad who's like... | ||
| Killed three people and the cops are getting on to him, but he's like a month out and he's just talking to his kids and he's like, they're going to say a lot of bad things about your daddy, but let me tell you something. | ||
| None of it's true. | ||
| I mean, I did kill those three people, but none of what they say is true. | ||
| You're going to hear a lot of things, but you don't believe any of their evidence. | ||
| You don't believe anything anybody tells you but what daddy says. | ||
| And daddy says, I'm innocent. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| Whichever example you want to use. | ||
| My business that's polluting or the murderous dad. | ||
| Either way that you want to go with it. | ||
| One of those is very personal. | ||
| But what it all comes down to and comes back to is exactly what you're saying at the beginning of this. | ||
| That they know the end result of their actions as well. | ||
| They know, like, Alex Jones wouldn't make all of these posts and make such a big deal of talking about how the media is going to false flag themselves if he didn't have a keen awareness that... | ||
| Trump saying that the media is the enemy of the American people and me doing demon voices about Brian Stelter and talking about how he needs to fall and he wants to kill and rape your family. | ||
| He has to know that the natural end result of that, when an unhinged person hears those sorts of rhetoric, the natural end result is quite possibly someone hurting these people. | ||
| This is preemptive damage control for that. | ||
| It is not predictive. | ||
| No. | ||
| Except for the fact that he's predicting that this will happen. | ||
| It is also something, I would say, akin to, like... | ||
| Trying to make it happen by bringing it into the world. | ||
| Maybe, maybe, maybe. | ||
| There's a certain part of him that wants it to happen, too. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I'm only halting you a little bit because I think that's too close to Alex's predictive programming ideas. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| That's not what I meant. | ||
| I meant more like he knows that it is... | ||
| So I'm throwing in this thing of like... | ||
| Regardless, you know, it is damage control. | ||
| Preemptive PR. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But, at the same time, while he's writing those stories, there has got to be a little part of him that's like, and I hope this happens, so I'm right. | ||
| Yeah, maybe there's a kernel of that in the back of his head. | ||
| I mean, I know from listening to as much of him as I do, he's never happier than when he gets to say he's right. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, yeah, I think there's probably a psychological piece of it that's like that. | ||
| But I would stop short of saying, like, he hopes someone gets hurt. | ||
| No, no, no, of course not. | ||
| But I think he probably doesn't care if someone gets hurt to make him right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So there is something like that. | ||
| Especially if it's two birds with one stone. | ||
| Or, you know, ten birds with one stone, so to speak. | ||
| Two birds with one Roger Stone. | ||
| That's our new shirt. | ||
| Are there any two worse shirts than those? | ||
| So I think that we're kind of getting the idea here that, you know, it's pretty easy to smell through what Alex's rhetoric is serving. | ||
| You know, it's pretty easy. | ||
| And this next clip is even more overt. | ||
| And now the last piece, 13 days out, we'll be finding out that it's a right-wing extremist and blaming it on us. | ||
| And saying he visited InfoWars. | ||
| He visited Drudge Report. | ||
| He visited Tucker Carlson. | ||
| He watched Fox News. | ||
| You can see the scripting, and boy, we told you, Jones needed to be taken off the air, and now, why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| He mailed the bombs, or somebody he influenced mailed the bombs. | ||
| And this is just to gauge and create anxiety that it's the right wing, and that Hillary and... | ||
| Soros and Obama and CNN are good guys that are just trying to talk about the news and help America. | ||
| And so we've been resisting them and saying they're globalists. | ||
| And so we've been saying dirty words like nationalists and other evil stuff. | ||
| And so now, with the election 13 days away, you know they're planning bigger events now. | ||
| Now that they've named themselves as the victims and have created the hype and the fear, now there can be the big event. | ||
| And then they can bust the group or individuals or the lone wolf that's behind it and properly blame all of us. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| So you see there, that's the next step of laying the track. | ||
| He named tons and tons of things that are... | ||
| I wouldn't say that I know that this person or persons who's responsible was inspired by Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Saying Alex is spiritually responsible isn't even saying that the person was... | ||
| Influenced by Alex directly, necessarily. | ||
| But he's doing all that because he needs to say all of that in case any of those things are true. | ||
| Because then he's like, look, I told you beforehand, that's what they were going to say! | ||
| It's all the same shit. | ||
| It's very boring. | ||
| Also, there's such a thing that he has to do, which is that, like... | ||
| Right-wing, like, soy boy, this part of, like, and the media's trying to portray them all as these good guys who are just trying to report. | ||
| And it's like, no! | ||
| It doesn't matter if they're good guys! | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| It doesn't matter at all! | ||
| No. | ||
| Don't! | ||
| Bomb people! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, why can't you just start there? | ||
| That would be a great... | ||
| You could just start there. | ||
| Like, hey, it's a bad idea to bomb people, not the media says it's a bad idea to bomb these guys because they're good. | ||
| I don't even think, in listening to this episode, that I heard him say it's bad. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Of course! | ||
| I didn't even realize that. | ||
| No, no, no! | ||
| You're right! | ||
| You're right. | ||
| They do the disclaimer, but that doesn't say that they think it's a bad idea to bomb people. | ||
| No. | ||
| They say that they're saying... | ||
| It's not on us. | ||
| It's not our fault that people get bombed. | ||
| It's not on us. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These fucking idiots. | ||
| But what he's doing is trying to play this game where he's like, you know, they're trying to get sympathy for themselves, trying to make themselves seem like victims and demonizing us. | ||
| That's the false flag. | ||
| You know, you got this false flag, and then the next stage of it is when they're going to reveal the person that did it, and it's going to be like us. | ||
| They're going to bring out somebody who's wearing a locker-up shirt, who's got a long history of posting on the Internet about how all of these... | ||
| Which is all fake. | ||
| So easy to fake that stuff. | ||
| Who has a history of domestic abuse. | ||
| All of these things that we know is just so scripted because they've happened before a lot of times. | ||
| And it's a script. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's a script. | ||
| That's how we know that it's scripted is because it happens so frequently. | ||
| It has to be scripted. | ||
| Otherwise it wouldn't happen frequently, Dan. | ||
| It's not like similar offenders have similar psychological profiles and patterns. | ||
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No! | |
| That people with statistics. | ||
| It's getting out of track. | ||
| It's all false flags. | ||
| So I was thinking about the nature of the false flag stuff and the false flag accusations that get made and when they get made. | ||
| And one of the things I realized is that there's a real general trend among people to claim that things that would tend to make them be seen in a realistic way are actually elaborate plots against them. | ||
| And there's no better example of this than the fallout that happened after the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. | ||
| Initially, the hard right media figures were totally fine with the rally and supported it, as they saw it as an extension. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| promote the rally. | ||
| Alex was firmly in support of the rally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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But then, the reality of the worlds that they helped facilitate became publicly visible. | |
| Nazis, white supremacists, and weird fascists were there, sporting their uniforms unashamed in the light of day. | ||
| Wholeheartedly on Alex and Gavin McGinnis'side. | ||
| Then... | ||
| Heather Heyer got murdered. | ||
| Then, videos of a group of white men beating the shit out of DeAndre Harris with metal pipes and boards came out. | ||
| The optics were too obvious to anyone. | ||
| Who was looking at the situation what the reality was. | ||
| Except for the president. | ||
| Things didn't get better when it came out that the rally organizer, Jason Kessler, was at least a second-degree member of McGinnis'Proud Boys street gang. | ||
| Immediately, McGinnis went into damage control mode and alleged that Kessler wasn't really a Proud Boy and that he'd been coming to Proud Boy meetings under false pretenses. | ||
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False flag! | |
| Kessler being a Proud Boy was a false flag to associate his definitely not-white nationalist street gang with street gang-style violence perpetrated by a group of real white nationalists. | ||
| Alex would do the same thing, having Kessler on his show to try and get him to confess that the whole rally was a setup and that Kessler was actually a Democrat. | ||
| It didn't work, but Alex got the pivot that he needed to still claim that Kessler wasn't on the up-and-up with the Patriot movement, and thus he too branded the Charlottesville tragedy a globalist false flag. | ||
| The appropriate response to a situation like the one in Charlottesville is deep reflection and empathy. | ||
| Unfortunately for people like Alex and Gavin, empathy is weakness, and deep reflection leads people to realize that they are the problem. | ||
| Didn't you see Rachel Maddow going out and screaming about the... | ||
| No. | ||
| No, they didn't? | ||
| No, they said it was awful. | ||
| Did they interview that guy and say that he was actually a plant by the Republicans? | ||
| No, but they did interview, I believe, the guy who committed the offense. | ||
| They interviewed his neighbor, and he said, you know, you seem like a nice guy. | ||
| The standard interview that you have with a serial killer's neighbor. | ||
| And Alex has latched onto that as like, CNN's trying to say that he was a good guy. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| There's that version of it, but no. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| They didn't end up talking to the shooter at that ballpark and being like, hey, you're really working for the Koch brothers trying to make liberals look bad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, it's all nonsense, but it is interesting to me that I started to realize, and I think I've always kind of known this, but the false flag accusation really only comes out... | ||
| At least these days. | ||
| Because I don't think this was necessarily the motivation behind him being like 9-11 was fake. | ||
| I think it was just a good business opportunity. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| These days, well, not his version, but yeah. | ||
| These days it comes out so much when it's like, okay, this can't be part of what people think about us. | ||
| Therefore, it's a false flag. | ||
| Because if they believe this about us, we can't continue to operate the way we have been. | ||
| We will not be allowed to or we'll be so obviously monsters that we have to deny the reality. | ||
| And by denying it, they reveal themselves to be obviously monsters. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| So, on the episode that we did about Tuesday's episode... | ||
| We heard Alex saying that he is death to George Soros. | ||
| The Grim Reaper come to his door. | ||
| I am death, I am death. | ||
| And he named several of the people who then the next day would receive bombs. | ||
| Which was upsetting when I woke up in the morning. | ||
| It's a little bit on the nose. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| And to the point where I've been looking online, because he also named Lord Rothschild. | ||
| Yeah, were you checking to see if Lord Rothschild had a bomb? | ||
| Did this fly under the radar? | ||
| Because that would have been like, oh my god, he's batting a thousand. | ||
| Is he proudly claiming that he was right about that too? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| No. | ||
| That he predicted that? | ||
| No, he's pretending he didn't say that because the optics of I am death, I am death? | ||
| No good. | ||
| No, that's not good? | ||
| No good. | ||
| He's just pretending he didn't say it? | ||
| Shouldn't he be crowing about how... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| No, he predicted it. | ||
| It was too much. | ||
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Oh yeah? | |
| It was relishing it too much in a way that would, I think... | ||
| I think he would feel that it would take away from his credibility. | ||
| Oh, you think so? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Now, this is crazy to ask you. | ||
| Are we hanging on to that clip, maybe? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| You think that one might be there for a while? | ||
| Might be an evergreen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But on this episode now, which we're covering, this is the Wednesday episode. | ||
| And now he's actually talking about the situation. | ||
| And man, he's still not being, like, cool about it to these people. | ||
| The article's on Infowars.com. | ||
| Steve Watson. | ||
| Trump is Hitler. | ||
| Excuse me, it's worse than that. | ||
| Unhinged Democrats and leftist media call POTUS fascist dictator for saying America even exists. | ||
| And that's really all he's saying. | ||
| No, that's not what he's saying. | ||
| Was that the headline or was he editorialized? | ||
| That's the upside-down rule. | ||
| Probably editorialized. | ||
| And they're saying, we're going to cause violence, and then... | ||
| A pipe bomb shows up at George Soros, the kingpin, to make him the poor baby. | ||
| And the headline is, in all these papers last night and today, the same headline, Holocaust survivor. | ||
| He survived the Nazis, the poor thing, and now he's facing pipe bombs. | ||
| He worked for the Nazis and said it was the best time of his life. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| Not true! | ||
| I'm done with Soros! | ||
| I can't imagine this level of being a shithead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I get Alex needing to constantly say that Soros is a Nazi collaborator by taking that 60 Minutes interview and other interviews that he's done completely and wildly out of context and assert that he has Steve Pachanik on to call him a Judenrat and shit like that. | ||
| Of course, you've got to do these things. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| When you're demonizing your philanthropist enemy, this is a good strategy. | ||
| I understand that you've got to say these sorts of things are false flags as preemptive. | ||
| Damage control for yourself. | ||
| But I can't understand the level of shithead you have to be to combine the two. | ||
| Like, the day after... | ||
| Because on some level, Alex fucking knows this isn't a false flag. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He knows damn well. | ||
| He knows damn well that these people's lives were, at very least, threatened. | ||
| You know, like, whether or not these bombs... | ||
| A message was sent. | ||
| A terrorist message. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And, you know, I don't know if you've ever had your life threatened. | ||
| Have you ever had someone say they were gonna kill you? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| I have as well, and I knew that it wasn't credible. | ||
| Back when I used to write for my campus paper, I'd have death threats all the time, and those... | ||
| We're just like, I'd be like, yeah, fuck yourself, asshole. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| I'd write back and try and antagonize them because I smoked a lot of weed and I thought it was funny back then. | ||
| But when I worked at a movie theater when I was a little bit younger, some guy came in and I had to kick him out because he was acting up like crazy. | ||
| He said he was going to come back and kill me. | ||
| And I knew that he wasn't going to do it, but it shook me on an unbelievable level that I had to leave. | ||
| I was like, I can't stay and do the rest of my shift. | ||
| Which is pretty unlike me. | ||
| I went home, and then I was peeking out my windows and stuff. | ||
| It did a real number on me. | ||
| Now, granted, that was when I was like 16, 17 years old. | ||
| And these are adults who are much better adjusted than I was at the time, probably. | ||
| But any time a bomb shows up where you are... | ||
| Not going to not leave an impression on you. | ||
| So when Alex gets on air and he's like, first of all, this is fake, and it's great because it makes Soros look like a sweet little baby. | ||
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He's a Nazi Hitler collaborator! | |
| It's a good day. | ||
| It's inhuman. | ||
| It's unfeeling levels of callous cruelty. | ||
| It's pretty surprising. | ||
| I mean, it's not, but it feels real. | ||
| Nasty. | ||
| My life was threatened. | ||
| I was 18, and I was broke, so I was hustling. | ||
| I was actually a really good pool player for a while. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So I was hustling pool for a bit to make money on the side. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And one night I got my ass beat to the tune of like 100, 200 bucks. | ||
| And the way that I was hustling was that I was always playing with a house cue. | ||
| You never bring your own cue if you're actually going to hustle. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I didn't know that was the rule. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this dude, I was like, I don't have this much money on me. | ||
| I got to go to my car. | ||
| And he was like, okay, man, that's fine, but leave your cue here. | ||
| So I skipped out on it because of course I'm going to do that. | ||
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What are you talking about? | |
| What are you going to sue me? | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| We're playing pool and I'm not going to pay you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Dishonorable. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I was broke. | ||
| Brokeback. | ||
| Backstabber. | ||
| Demon. | ||
| So then, like, maybe two years later, I wound up going back to, not the same place, but back to the city where I was doing it. | ||
| I hadn't been there for forever. | ||
| And I was just walking by this, like, pool table area. | ||
| And this dude fucking was like, hey, wait a second. | ||
| And I was like, yeah. | ||
| Because I recognized him. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| And he was like, wait, did you... | ||
| I think I know you. | ||
| And I was like, nah, you can't. | ||
| And he was like, can I see your ID? | ||
| And I was like, holy shit. | ||
| And then he went full on like, I'm gonna fucking kill you when you leave this place. | ||
| Well, I live here now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I wound up sneaking out the back and telling one of the managers, I was like, hey, that guy? | ||
| He just said he was going to try and fucking kill me. | ||
| So he snuck me out the back and I immediately bailed as fast as I could. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a rough life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The life of a pool hustler. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I was living like Tom Cruise in The Color of Money. | ||
| So, I mean, it shakes you. | ||
| It's never not a good feeling. | ||
| Wait, it's never a good feeling. | ||
| And so, you know, I know that Soros doesn't listen to InfoWars, but the idea of being this cruel to somebody who has just received a bomb, I find it deplorable, quite frankly. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Yeah, it's horrible. | ||
| So anyway, he talks more about Soros. | ||
| And that he's quarterbacking all this stuff, so he gets a pipe bomb. | ||
| And then it's like Oprah Winfrey, you get a car. | ||
| You get a pipe bomb. | ||
| You get a pipe bomb. | ||
| Saw that one coming for a mile away. | ||
| All these poor babies. | ||
| Poor babies. | ||
| That helped fund the Arab Spring and the overthrow of Ukraine. | ||
| What the fuck are you doing? | ||
| And now bombs are there. | ||
| They're such victims. | ||
| There are hundreds of cases of declassified false flags. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| Everybody knows about movies and TV shows like House of Cards. | ||
| That's a TV show. | ||
| Where they're throwing bricks through each other's window. | ||
| That's one of the oldest tricks in the book. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so I've predicted it all. | ||
| It isn't hard to predict. | ||
| The issue that I have is, yes, there are false flags that have happened in history. | ||
| Saying that doesn't prove that any individual thing is one. | ||
| No, it proves all of them are. | ||
| Just because X does exist doesn't mean all things are X. Right. | ||
| That is horrible thinking. | ||
| And he doesn't go much further than that in terms of trying to prove this. | ||
| His arguments are essentially false flags do exist. | ||
| It's the oldest trick in the book. | ||
| Therefore, this is a false flag. | ||
| I saw it coming. | ||
| I predicted this based on all of these articles that I wrote about this, which are really just preemptive damage control because I know that someone's going to fucking attack them eventually, and I don't want the heat. | ||
| That's all he's got. | ||
| That's all the evidence that he gives. | ||
| It's super thin. | ||
| I want to talk to you a little bit about bombings. | ||
| Because there's another talking point that Alex Jones doesn't bring up, but I've seen posted a lot by these shitheads on Twitter about, like, of course it's fake. | ||
| None of them went off. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Obviously, if there was a bombing, they would have blown up. | ||
| And I need to address this, because whether or not Alex brings it up in what we're covering, I'm sure he'll bring it up eventually, because it's caught fire with the Twitter sphere. | ||
| And this needs to be addressed. | ||
| There are a few super important points that you need to know about making bombs. | ||
| One. | ||
| Super easy. | ||
| They very, very regularly don't work. | ||
| It's very consistent. | ||
| The process of successfully bombing someone involves so many variables, along with factors completely outside of the perpetrator's control, that they're nearly impossible to pull off. | ||
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| Since the 1970s, there are virtually no left-wing bombings in the United States. | ||
| Now, granted, there were a bunch in the 70s. | ||
| Yeah, well, again, it was the 70s, Dan! | ||
| It was a different time! | ||
| The hippies had just died, and it was the beginning of the... | ||
| Since then, it specifically has not been the behavior of the left. | ||
| Again, if you exclude environmental terrorism and animal rights activist groups, which I don't believe are necessarily appropriate to fit under the umbrella... | ||
| Yeah, it's not like they're bombing to get healthcare. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, they're bombing to bring attention to an issue that nobody is talking about. | ||
| That would be the equivalent of left-wing terrorism for Alex's right-wing terrorism. | ||
| You can find plenty of lists of bombings and terrorist acts, and you'll find that the lists are littered with disrupted plots and people who made their bombs wrong so they didn't end up detonating. | ||
| It's the exception, not the rule, that a bomb actually goes off when someone plans to bomb people. | ||
| One of the very few large-scale bombings that were successful was the Boston bombing. | ||
| Another was the string of bombings in New York and New Jersey between September 17th and 19th, 2016, which left 35 people injured. | ||
| The perpetrator of said bombings was a gun enthusiast who had previously been arrested for stabbing his brother in the leg after, quote, the victim and another brother attempted to stop him from assaulting their mother and, Left-wing terrorist. | ||
| He spent a few months in jail and later became radicalized by online jihadi materials, which is said to have been inspirational in his planning of his bombing. | ||
| Wait, you're saying in his past he has some sort of violence against women? | ||
| Right, and online radicalization. | ||
| Then we have the Austin situation, which terrorized Austin for 19 days in March of this year, I believe, and led to the deaths of three. | ||
| It was done by a 23-year-old man whose motivations are still not totally clear, but he was absolutely not a liberal. | ||
| It wasn't a leftist-motivated thing at all. | ||
| And that was another one that Alex had all of his predictions wrong about, which was fun. | ||
| You can go back and listen to those episodes. | ||
| On the list of bombings since 9-11, you'll find a few that are bombings of mosques and specifically targeting Muslims. | ||
| One of them was a man in Spokane who intended to bomb the path of a Martin Luther King. | ||
| Left wing. | ||
| left wing. | ||
| One of them was a bizarre homage to Fight Club. | ||
| Zero of them have been carried out by leftists, again with the exception of environmental extremists and animal rights extremists. | ||
| Almost all modern bombing behavior is attributable to ISIS-related terrorism and far-right terrorism. | ||
| This is just how the facts break down. | ||
| But I think there's a more important thing that you see here, and that's the overwhelming majority of bombings do not go as the bomber planned. | ||
| It's incredibly hard to make bombs. | ||
| Then, it's even more difficult to deliver them where you want them to be and make them detonate when you want without someone finding them first. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is why you see so many failed bomb plots through history and why we so clearly remember the ones that did reach completion. | ||
| Because they're the exception to the rule and they're deeply emotionally scarring to everybody. | ||
| It's hard to build a bomb. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's why it's not the way we do mass killings in America. | ||
| We do it with guns. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| When you look at those statistics, it's even darker. | ||
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| Which we don't need to get into today, necessarily. | ||
| But yeah, man, it's one of those things. | ||
| And it's like, so... | ||
| The idea that none of these things went off is so foolish as an argument as to the reality of it because a number of these people had Secret Service details. | ||
| They're going to find that sort of thing immediately. | ||
| Or George Soros is a goddamn billionaire. | ||
| He has people who are working there and are going to find these things. | ||
| And even the ones that were left at people's offices, they have security guards who are trained in these sorts of things. | ||
| So if you leave a bomb somewhere where you want it to explode, It's so hard for someone not to find it and for you to get the timing right so it hurts the person that you want. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's very difficult. | ||
| That argument is meaningless. | ||
| It's surprising more that not one of the bombs went off and just killed some staffer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| None of the people who got bombs were ever really in danger. | ||
| It's the people who work for them. | ||
| Which furthers your argument that it's more about a message than anything else. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we should know that the media chose Alex Jones preemptively in order to do this, to blame him and make him the patsy. | ||
| And he knows that because of one of the anchors at CNN, who is not named Brian Stelter. | ||
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| They don't go through every news channel of fake news in the country and all say in unison, Alex Jones. | ||
| I've got chills, Lester Holt said. | ||
| Yeah, I'm really scared when he said kill us with bombs or kill us with guns and battle rifles. | ||
| Jack Dorsey goes, I know, I know it's terrible, but we're not going to ban him yet. | ||
| To make it act like they're not censoring, oh, they held back. | ||
| So he could go around and do that whole tour of disinformation. | ||
| A PSYOP, you know when they're on every channel saying you're saying kill the media and you didn't say it. | ||
| And they don't have proof, you said it, that something bad is about to happen. | ||
| They don't go for broke like that. | ||
| They don't tell lies that big. | ||
| You say they do all the time. | ||
| Unless they're getting ready to attack themselves with bombs and guns and poison. | ||
| Ooh, and poison! | ||
| Oh, there's poison now? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| When did poison come into this? | ||
| I think he realized, ah, shit, someone might send up an envelope or something. | ||
| We gotta, you know, do damage control here. | ||
| Yeah, toss some ricin. | ||
| They're saying ricin is coming! | ||
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| Boo! | ||
| That way, whenever somebody does send it... | ||
| I don't particularly care to parse through Lester Holt's take on Alex Jones' battle rifle comment. | ||
| I initially was more on Alex's side about it and that the context of it wasn't about an offensive sort of thing. | ||
| That was sort of my angle on it. | ||
| But I got some emails from listeners informing me that the term battle rifle has a bit of a different connotation than I know about. | ||
| So I'm going to leave that alone and respect that I may not understand the whole context as a non-gun, non-military serving person. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't speak to that. | ||
| So I don't want to get mixed up too much. | ||
| Someone who does not have a battle rifle, not going to dip my toes in that. | ||
| I'm going to pass and listen to others and listen to their perspective. | ||
| So I don't really have a take on Lester Holt's comments. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But what I can tell you is that Lester Holt's discussion of Alex Jones' comments came after a number of things. | ||
| One of them was Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich getting on air and starting a contest where they were going to pay people to go on live TV and yell CNN is ISIS. | ||
| It was a formal contest that Alex launched promising thousands of dollars to people to equate a news network with a terrorist organization that we're presumably at war with. | ||
| In one call, he said, quote, I'm coming to gun you all down. | ||
| I'm on my way right now to gun the fucking CNN cast down. | ||
| I'm coming to kill you. | ||
| He referred to them as fake news and dropped a couple N-words for good measure. | ||
| The president of this country had previously called the fake news media the enemy of the people. | ||
| He'd frequently attacked CNN at rallies, press conferences, and on Twitter. | ||
| It's no surprise that Lester Holt would take something appearing to be a threat seriously, seeing as that's something that's happened quite a bit to him recently. | ||
| So Alex refusing to accept that sort of context, just saying like, oh, out of nowhere Lester Holt was like, I'm threatening him because I talked about get your battle rifles ready. | ||
| It seems, I mean... | ||
| The weakest critique we can always have for Alex is like, being a little unfair. | ||
| But it's a little unfair to attack and say like, oh, this is all media scripting of this same thing. | ||
| It's like, you're not taking into context the things that came before that because they make your argument look like shit. | ||
| I mean, you could describe it as media scripting, but it's the script that the right-wing media has written. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they've written this whole, they've created this whole situation where this is... | ||
| Going to be a result. | ||
| But when you say scripting in that sense, I think what you're talking about is inadvertent consequences. | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's not like they wrote the script where at the end of it they know exactly what's going to happen. | ||
| It's more like they have created a sandbox where all of these elements are in place. | ||
| And the only logical endpoint to this sandbox is where we are now. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex brags about how insightful he is. | ||
| That's the worst thing that he could brag about. | ||
| We have to consider that that lives in the atmosphere of him being literally wrong about almost everything. | ||
| And just like I said, how do you know when a new Coca-Cola flavor is coming out? | ||
| Because you see billboards everywhere and there's ads on radio and TV. | ||
| And you go, oh, there's a new Coke coming out. | ||
| Or... | ||
| When does McRib come back? | ||
| You don't go to McDonald's. | ||
| I don't go to McDonald's. | ||
| You see the stupid McRib ads. | ||
| McRib is back for a limited time. | ||
| You go to McDonald's. | ||
| McRib's at McDonald's. | ||
| When they come out and they say, Alex Jones says blow up and shoot the media, and Trump says kill the media, and it's not true, and they've got a history of staging crap, and they're a pack of criminals that works with radical Islam, you name it, and say MS-13 are God's children, you better believe these scumbags in the deep state haven't given up, and they don't want America to return, and they don't want our republic back, so they're crapping their filthy britches, and they're going to pull anything! | ||
| And if we can't see the giant setup to this, we're crazy. | ||
| You are crazy. | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| Because you see this as a giant setup, as opposed to seeing the trends that have been pushed forward by your side. | ||
| The worst part of all of that is he's essentially saying it's okay to bomb your enemies. | ||
| Oh no, that's another thing that I was going to get into, is that what we're seeing is a normalization of bombing. | ||
| We are seeing, literally. | ||
| In front of our eyes, a normalization of domestic terrorism. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| But how evil is it for you to watch people get terrorized and then say, one, it's a false flag that they're perpetrating, and that makes them so evil and such scumbags that it's, what, dot, dot, dot, fine to bomb them. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| They have it coming! | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Like, let's imagine a scenario where I know that we're not that important, so it doesn't really matter. | ||
| But, like, let's imagine a scenario where someone bombs me and I die. | ||
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Something like that. | |
| That's how I would bomb you. | ||
| Oh, man, that would be an internal bomb. | ||
| Oh, I would blow you up. | ||
| So let's imagine something like that happens. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I get killed in a bombing, let's say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex Jones knows that I demonize him all the time on this show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
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So... | |
| It would be an easy argument to make that he attacked himself to make it look like one of my fans attacked him. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's... | ||
| I mean, that's exactly what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, I get that. | ||
| I'm putting this in a personal human level. | ||
| The only difference between that and what we're seeing now is I'm discussing a bomb that did go off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If any of these... | ||
| let's say all but one of these bombs didn't go off, but one of them did and killed Debbie Wasserman Schultz. | ||
| Could he still make this argument you bet he would yeah you fucking bet he would and if you would do it with one of them going off he'd do it with all of them going off yep this is like i know that we have talked about for two years on this show all he does is normalize and excuse white violence and pretend that white uh uh Violence and terrorism don't exist. | ||
| But the level that he's going to here is profoundly dangerous. | ||
| And what it implies for the future is so fucked up. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's so scary. | ||
| And to hammer this point home, two years ago when we started this podcast, Alex Jones was a crazy person. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now, every single fucking right-wing media outlet is saying it's a false flag like Alex is. | ||
| Thereby normalizing bombing the same way Alex does. | ||
| We thought we were out on the middle of the fringe, Dan. | ||
| We were. | ||
| We thought we were way out there. | ||
| We were. | ||
| We thought there's no way we were going to have to talk about the real world now. | ||
| And it turns out we're... | ||
| Is this our fault? | ||
| No. | ||
| Is this our fault for doing this podcast? | ||
| Maybe we normalize this language. | ||
| Based on our audience, we literally can't be. | ||
| Once Fox News listened to our podcast, they were like, hey, see? | ||
| Alex gets away with it! | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| But yeah, you are right, though. | ||
| Two years ago, it was a very different landscape where Alex was seen as like, whoa. | ||
| He was out there, and now he's right in line. | ||
| Now we're all in there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's absolutely right. | ||
| It's not that Alex has changed into the GOP, although he's become much more of a, quote, basic bitch of the right. | ||
| It's that the right has come to him in terms of the craziness. | ||
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Right. | |
| And the Overton window shifted to him. | ||
| I don't think anyone, even us, could have predicted that. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Not in a million years. | ||
| What it implies is literally the most dangerous mentality that is possible. | ||
| Because any time now that any attack happens on people on the left, this is going to be the narrative that all of these shitheads on Twitter and Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, that is going to be something that's going to be a card they can play. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when... | ||
| And now that they've played that card, it seems like they can't go back. | ||
| So it turns out that it is a right-wing bomber. | ||
| They've already called it a false flag. | ||
| So they're going to have to continue calling it a false flag. | ||
| Otherwise, they're going to have to stop what they're doing. | ||
| And that person will have to be a patsy. | ||
| They'll have to be innocent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The whole thing. | ||
| The entire right-wing media now has tied themselves to the false flag narrative, and it's not going backwards. | ||
| Well, but you understand. | ||
| I mean, this is the sort of next progression from accepting a lot of the conspiracy theory stuff that propped up as Trump was running, became much more normal. | ||
| And then as it got closer to the election, it became even more normal. | ||
| Then after, it just went crazy. | ||
| On a smaller level, you have the normalization in the right-wing media, especially Fox News, of this idea that Antifa and the Proud Boys, let's say, are the same thing. | ||
| You have this idea where they're pretending that Antifa is some sort of organized group. | ||
| Right. | ||
| With meetings. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And a leader. | ||
| And all they want to do is go and beat up Christians. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Right? | ||
| They have that perspective as opposed to it being a loose-knit group of unorganized, small groups of people who go and counter-demonstrate against fascists. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Fascists. | ||
| Anti. | ||
| Fascists. | ||
| And are willing to fight with them as opposed to a lot of other groups who would demonstrate against these people. | ||
| So you have that on that side. | ||
| And then with the Proud Boys, you have a shithead cult leader like Gavin McGinnis who screams all the time about how he wants violence and thinks that society is too weak and we should kick the shit out of each other and has a group with a regimented structure where the fourth level of it is you have to beat somebody up or get arrested for the cause. | ||
| He incentivizes this idea of going and... | ||
| Wait, that's really on there? | ||
| That's the fourth level of the Proud Boys. | ||
| It's the fourth tier. | ||
| That's real? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have to get into a fight. | ||
| Is that illegal? | ||
| I guess not. | ||
| Can't you not do that? | ||
| No, because he pretends, in the same way Alex always does, defensive. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| It's defensive fighting. | ||
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Fuck off. | |
| But, of course, what that's going to do is incentivize people picking fights with folks. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| As opposed to, there is nothing like that on the left. | ||
| There isn't a group of people who are like, alright, you get a cool badge if you go pick a fight with these people. | ||
| What are they? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| But because that language of equivalence of the Proud Boys and Antifa are exactly the same, and in fact, Antifa's worse, and they're funded by George Soros, that sort of language about the broader picture of street fights or whatever is the first step that leads us to make this okay. | ||
| Make terrorism okay. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| Charlottesville, president coming out and saying good people on both sides. | ||
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Good people on both sides. | |
| That really helps that too. | ||
| It muddies the water of what we're actually talking about. | ||
| And that even goes back to Alex's saying that Soros is a Nazi collaborator. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Because he never defines what Nazi collaborator means, which makes it so evil. | ||
| Because if he said... | ||
| He is a Nazi collaborator, and by that I mean, when he was a very young boy, he was a part of the Jewish Council, which was an organization that, oh, I should also tell you this, back then they didn't let Jewish kids go to school, and so they had to become a part of this. | ||
| It wasn't really something he chose to do. | ||
| But he was a part of this group, and they would go deliver messages to Jews around town, and then if it was a summons, and if they give this message to the person, they would end up getting taken away. | ||
| Young George Soros told his dad about these messages he was told to deliver, and his dad said, deliver those messages that you tell everybody that you give that message to that if you show up to that meeting, they are never going to come back. | ||
| You warned them. | ||
| That this is something that is not what it appears to be. | ||
| So Soros, as a young boy, went around and he delivered those messages and warned people, as his father did as well. | ||
| Saved a number of people from the Holocaust, from being taken away to camps. | ||
| And then, as a boy... | ||
| After he made that run, he was like, I am not doing this anymore. | ||
| And so he disappeared and stopped going into the Jewish council meetings that he was made to do because Jews weren't allowed to go to school in those days. | ||
| My favorite part of the Paul Revere mythology is that he was called a British collaborator the entire time. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Remember how when you learned in high school that the person who tells you that the evil is coming to destroy you, that person is actually collaborating with that evil. | ||
| How could they not be? | ||
| But you understand, if he wanted to have that conversation about what does collaborator mean, is that what you mean? | ||
| Then that would be the weak, like, it would take all the power out of his declaration. | ||
| Like, he's a Nazi collaborator, and by that I have the broadest definition for it. | ||
| Because you could say that, yeah, as a kid he did make one run of these things, but ended up subverting the process that he was supposed to be a part of. | ||
| So, like, there's all this stuff, and that is the essence of what's going wrong. | ||
| There's this, like, deterioration of definition, there's a deterioration of... | ||
| Truth, of context, of all this stuff, just serving... | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| Defense? | ||
| People playing defense? | ||
| Chaos? | ||
| Chaos. | ||
| Because, I mean, if you look at that... | ||
| There's a lot of shitheads on Twitter who are super popular who wouldn't be in any way if they weren't saying the shittiest things. | ||
| So, for them, there has to be some sort of a financial incentive in having hundreds of thousands of followers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because they don't have a gig otherwise. | ||
| And neither does Alex at this point. | ||
| With what he said there, too, is like, even if it was a false flag, his argument is that CNN is trying to paint him as a poor little baby getting bombed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That guy's a Nazi collaborator, which you put those two things together, and what he's actually saying is, why would you care if he got bombed? | ||
| He's a Nazi. | ||
| Oh, no, totally. | ||
| He's a Nazi. | ||
| He should be bombed. | ||
| That's definitely a piece of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, he's a Nazi collaborator. | ||
| Why are you even trying to stop him from getting bombed? | ||
| Why aren't you bombing him yourself? | ||
| Why aren't you doing it? | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is a piece of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I have a couple more clips. | ||
| But that's when you apply logic to it, which we can't. | ||
| We're not legally allowed to do anymore on this show. | ||
| It's Trump outlawed reason and logic along with mirrors. | ||
| We have a couple more clips, but before we do that, I want to talk a little bit about how when I was preparing the episode for today, there were a number of, like, I didn't want to talk about the present day, of course. | ||
| I don't want to put people through that. | ||
| And I think that a lot of the conversation we've been having is fairly basic. | ||
| And I'm not saying we're being stupid or anything, but it doesn't really charm me all that much to reiterate, hey, This is why he talks about false flags all the time. | ||
| This is his way of, like you very eloquently put, admitting without admitting that he knows something is really bad coming and he needs to not be on the hook for it. | ||
| So I started to rack my brain and think about, like, what are other times that we could draw analogs to? | ||
| And one of them was the Boston bombing, and listening to that, it was just a waste of an hour. | ||
| Unless we did a dedicated episode about that. | ||
| It just wasn't right. | ||
| And so, look, it's hard for me to experience the things we're experiencing together as a country right now without thinking back to April 2010. | ||
| That month was a month that was full of right-wing insanity, and thus, when I was planning out this episode, I wanted to go back and see what Alex was saying about a couple incidents that stuck out. | ||
| Imagine my surprise when I didn't find him saying anything and mostly just talking about how Oklahoma City was a false flag a bunch, because April is the anniversary. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, there's some things I did learn, though. | ||
| And one of them is that in April 2010, I can confirm for you that Alex was pro Tea Party. | ||
| So he does end up getting on board with the Tea Party by April 2010. | ||
| He was also pro-Oath Keepers, who were very closely aligned with the Rising Tide and the Tea Party, and that's where April 2010 went in a wild direction. | ||
| On April 15, 2010, President of the Cleveland Chapter of the Oath Keepers, Matthew Fairfield, was arrested and indicted on 28 explosive charges, 25 counts of receiving stolen property, and one count of possessing criminal tools. | ||
| When the police searched his home, they found a literal napalm bomb that he had constructed, as well as child pornography. | ||
| From an article on Cleveland.com, quote, That's a tough two-hander. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| A retired ATF agent said that the discovery of the homemade bomb was particularly troubling because napalm is designed to target people. | ||
| Of course, this wasn't any kind of isolated event. | ||
| The napalm bomb is obviously a huge red flag, but this guy also had a bit of an armory going. | ||
| Quote, officers seized a detonator car, detonators, two M4 assault rifles, a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun, a.22-caliber bolt-action rifle, and two semi-automatic handguns from the home. | ||
| He was hunting! | ||
| Right. | ||
| This was a guy who was arrested on 28 explosives charges, and he built a napalm bomb, among other bombs. | ||
| Generally speaking, you do not build bombs for recreation. | ||
| They're intended to be used. | ||
| A bomb just sitting around is a bomb that is not serving its only purpose. | ||
| So, I went back and listened to episodes around the time of Fairfield's arrest, and there was an article that came out a couple days after his arrest, so I checked that day, too, to see if, like, maybe Alex missed the news when it happened. | ||
| And I expected Alex to say it was a false flag, and there was an attempt to besmirch the good name of the Oath Keepers. | ||
| But what I found instead was him not bringing up the story at all. | ||
| Radio silence. | ||
| Radio silence. | ||
| And what's difficult for me about that is I had to listen to all of that. | ||
| And I can't prove to you a negative. | ||
| I can't sit here and play a clip of him not saying that. | ||
| I would have to just say, go ahead and waste four hours of your life to see that he doesn't. | ||
| And that's unsatisfying, and I knew that couldn't be an episode, but I still want to fucking talk about this. | ||
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| So here was the president of the Oath Keepers chapter in a city of a population over 2 million people being arrested for building a bomb that was meant to target people with napalm. | ||
| And Alex doesn't talk about it at all. | ||
| It doesn't come up in the least. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| Because I kind of wish that Alex had claimed it was a false flag meant to make the Oath Keepers look bad, because then I could have told you all about Darren Hough, the Tennessee Oath Keeper who got arrested on April 30th, 2010, for planning an armed takeover of Madisonville, Tennessee's courthouse, where he would assert control, then put everyone under citizen's arrest. | ||
| I could tell you about how he had 300 rounds of ammo and an AK-47 as well as a handgun, because, quote, I've got my.45 because ain't no government official gonna go peacefully. | ||
| I can tell you about how Huff only went to take over that town because they were hosting a trial for a sovereign citizen weirdo named Walter Francis Fitzpatrick who was being tried for trying to make a citizen's arrest on the foreman of a grand jury that he had nothing to do with, which led to him being charged with inciting a riot and disrupting an official public meeting. | ||
| I can tell you that Huff was under surveillance the entire time he was traveling from his home in Georgia to Madisonville because he bragged to a bank employee that he and some militia buddies were going to take over Madisonville. | ||
| Thank God these people are so... | ||
| I could tell you about how the city of Madisonville surreptitiously rescheduled Fitzpatrick's hearing and told courthouse employees to stay home that day, so Huff and his militia buddies ended up showing up to an empty courthouse under total surveillance. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And how he got four years in prison. | ||
| He only got four years in prison?! | ||
| And no one ended up getting hurt. | ||
| They all, you know, all you can get him for at that point is, like, intent. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Man! | ||
| Intent to take over a small town. | ||
| We should really be working on those laws of like, hey, if you're trying to take over a town, we're going to... | ||
| It seems like the stakes should be higher, and we might see a lot of that in the future. | ||
| It might be good to have a town meeting. | ||
| We might want to start writing some stuff down. | ||
| I could tell you about countless other very serious, but sometimes a little bit goofy, like that last one, plots that have been planned or carried out by right-wing groups in this country. | ||
| Just because something doesn't go off as planned doesn't mean that it's fake, which is an important distinction. | ||
| And secondarily, there is a ton of Oathkeeper-related right-wing violence and terrorism that Alex just doesn't even talk about. | ||
| He doesn't even make the effort to say it's a false flag. | ||
| So earlier when you were bringing up this idea of like, what does he call a false flag? | ||
| And you were suggesting all of the things that you could pin on the right are false flags. | ||
| Often he just doesn't talk about it. | ||
| And this one, like this dude, this initial dude here, this guy, Matthew Fairfield, this is a one-to-one parallel here. | ||
| He was a guy who was making multiple bombs, one of them a napalm bomb. | ||
| I mean, this is the sort of thing that you see. | ||
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| I don't remember. | ||
| I think it was 16 years. | ||
| God, that should be so much longer. | ||
| I get it mixed up because there was another story about another guy from the Oath Keepers who may or may not have had a stolen grenade launcher that he claimed... | ||
| I didn't know it was a grenade launcher! | ||
| What?! | ||
| Yeah, he ended up going to prison for raping a seven-year-old. | ||
| Twist! | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Plot twist! | ||
| God damn these fucking guys! | ||
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| What do we gotta do? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But Alex doesn't talk about it. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| So you... | ||
| So that... | ||
| Remember that island in Hawaii? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Molokai? | ||
| Yeah, that used to be... | ||
| The one that was a leper colony? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| The one that's underwater now. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Can we put him on that? | ||
| The one that's underwater now. | ||
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| I feel like housing would be difficult. | ||
| No, let's just... | ||
| But it was an island. | ||
| It can be an island again. | ||
| Because climate change isn't real, so we don't need to worry about it. | ||
| That's very optimistic. | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I would rather send them to Molokai. | ||
| Get them on that leper colony island. | ||
| That would be fine with me. | ||
| Because you can't send them to prison. | ||
| No one goes there anymore. | ||
| You can't send them to prison. | ||
| They're just going to teach other people how to make fucking bombs. | ||
| When I lived in Hawaii, it was always so weird to me that there's two islands you can't go to. | ||
| There's Molokai. | ||
| You can't go because it used to be a leper colony. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you can't go to Lanai because it's entirely owned by... | ||
| What? | ||
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| Dole just owns an island of Hawaii? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's all fruit. | ||
| That's not okay! | ||
| It's all fruit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Or maybe that's okay. | ||
| Maybe we should have islands that are just fruit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if that's 100% accurate, but that was what the understanding was growing up there. | ||
| It's like, no one goes to Lanai. | ||
| You can't go there. | ||
| They're owned by Dole. | ||
| Weird as shit. | ||
| Yeah, very weird. | ||
| So, all that is to say... | ||
| I kind of wanted to talk about that stuff, even though it's relevant to this episode, but not 100%. | ||
| Alex doesn't talk about things that are real-world damaging to him. | ||
| He does predictively prepare people for these narratives that are going to be dangerous to him. | ||
| Or real-world events that he knows are coming that he can't avoid. | ||
| He can avoid that thing with the Oathkeeper guy. | ||
| This one he can't avoid. | ||
| He knows that the guy that he is the biggest fan of is acting in such a way that it jeopardizes the safety of journalists. | ||
| And in order to protect himself from the inevitable outcome of this, he has to create the false flag narrative. | ||
| So, the issue is that it's not just this. | ||
| It's not just about saying that these bombs are fake. | ||
| There's something much deeper at hand here, and this is why everyone needs to be very worried. | ||
| But when we do the second hour, I'm going to play Mike Adams predicting it all, I'm predicting it all, but understand, here's the big emergency. | ||
| These are only probing attacks to shut it up and to test the public, will they buy that Soros and Hillary and Bill and Obama and CNN are poor victims? | ||
| This is introducing them as the targets. | ||
| They can whine and moan and predict, if Trump doesn't stop, you're going to get us all killed! | ||
| And then, in rolls that big-ass truck bomb into CNN Center Atlanta. | ||
| Boom! | ||
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All the execs will be off on a special meeting that day. | |
| Most of the CNN crew would have never expected they'll get hit. | ||
| They'll even take out a large group of their top people. | ||
| Yeah, they're getting ready to hit themselves and hit themselves hard. | ||
| MSNBC, ABC, they're going to hit themselves. | ||
| So it's exactly what you said. | ||
| Alex is articulating exactly what you said about the idea of now, if something does happen, that will be what, you know, it doesn't matter. | ||
| He's saying that they're going to blow up CNN, which... | ||
| If that does happen, Alex now is ready to be like, who cares? | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| It's all fake. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| This is the globalists. | ||
| So now all terrorism is on the table, man. | ||
| Every fucking time I say there's no bottom, I still think there is one, and there really isn't. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There really isn't. | ||
| There's nowhere else for them to go but lower than whatever you think the floor is. | ||
| It's going to keep going down. | ||
| He's essentially convinced or seduced all of the right-wing media to his way of being, which is to normalize white violence and white terrorism, to the point now where we have an entire political party and their propaganda organs that are in service of, man, if any white guys do anything, it's fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah, I'm starting to think that the election was about economic issues, Dan. | ||
| Oh yeah, anxiety. | ||
| Economic anxiety. | ||
| Yeah, I think it was the Midwestern folks just felt like they were left behind. | ||
| It's hard to say what the motivations were, but we can certainly see the effects. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to leave people feeling like they... | ||
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We're about to see a giant bombing because Alex... | |
| No, because Alex has been wrong about so many things in the past. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I don't think that anybody should take him saying that to be evidence that it's going to happen. | ||
| But I would say that Alex thinks it's going to happen. | ||
| You can clearly see that from that clip. | ||
| He thinks that shit, this is going to escalate. | ||
| And he knows that because he knows what his fans are like. | ||
| That's why he runs away from them on the street. | ||
| That's why he's... | ||
| He knows. | ||
| He doesn't want to go into the Trump rally because there's too many Trump people in there. | ||
| He knows that. | ||
| That's why he yells at a piece of shit and calls it Beto outside instead of actually engaging and being a part of the thing that he's created. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| He knows that there are dangerous people on that side, and statistics back that up. | ||
| And there's no reason why he would make that prediction and say it's going to be a false flag if he didn't have some reason to believe this is probably going to happen and we need damage control. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I don't think... | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| Does anybody think that this is where it stops? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
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But... | |
| Nobody thinks that ten bombs that don't go off are... | ||
| Where it ends. | ||
| And especially, like, I know that we're recording this here on Thursday evening. | ||
| Yeah, Christ, we're gonna wake up tomorrow and there's gonna be another fucking bomb. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And at press time, we can have the perspective of, like, no one's been caught, but someone will. | ||
| I mean, eventually this case will be solved. | ||
| It's a sloppy situation. | ||
| Yeah, this isn't a criminal mastermind that we're dealing with here. | ||
| I'm sure there are fingerprints somewhere and this investigation is going to happen and it's going to... | ||
| More facts will come out and we'll be able to discuss them more accurately as that happens. | ||
| But, at the same time, if you're the person who did it and you see an entire political party working their ass off in order to present it as if you weren't doing the thing that you did... | ||
| I don't know what other message that sends to would-be bombers. | ||
| It sends a message of, hey, if you do this, we're going to bat for you. | ||
| Even if you don't get caught, we're going to do our best to make sure that people think it was this shadowy cabal of definitely not Jews. | ||
| So, I mean, the world that we're entering is super fucked up and dangerous. | ||
| If we don't step up and the media doesn't step up, I know some people are doing a good job about it. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'm not saying everybody sucks. | ||
| But people need to step up and talk about it in these terms. | ||
| They're normalizing terrorism. | ||
| It's not a situation of, hey, what's this quirky false flag hashtag that's going around? | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| It is, this is, intentionally or not, the right-wing seeking to normalize and make okay white terrorism. | ||
| Now, granted, I'm saying that with no idea if the person who's doing this is white. | ||
| We don't know anything about it. | ||
| It doesn't matter, though, if the person is white, because they're defending it as though the person was. | ||
| Well, there's that, but the reason that I'm putting that piece into the equation is because look at the M.O. and past history of the people. | ||
| Who are doing this? | ||
| In the media, there are people like Alex Jones, like Tucker Carlson, like Lou Dobbs, like Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| These are people who have made careers out of justifying white crimes and minimizing the effect on their victims. | ||
| These are the people who... | ||
| I mean, Tucker Carlson did fine for himself on Crossfire, but he wasn't making nearly the amount of money he is now being just a lapdog who is justifying white supremacy on a nightly basis. | ||
| I'm saying that they're doing this in an effort to normalize white terrorism because of the people in the media who are doing it. | ||
| Their behavior is in line with past instances of white terrorism, not necessarily that the perpetrator, once they're caught, is white. | ||
| I just need to make that clear, lest it seem like I'm saying that. | ||
| When I accept there's an entire world out there of possibilities of who this person or persons are. | ||
| I just imagine... | ||
| We don't get the opportunity to imagine this because Alex does not have a writer's room or a plan. | ||
| No, I already told you. | ||
| It's deeply scripted. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I imagine being in that production meeting before Tucker Carlson's show, and there are a bunch of producers in there all talking about what it is we should say. | ||
| And the consensus, was there even anybody who was like, maybe we're... | ||
| Not doing this. | ||
| Maybe we shouldn't say it's a false flag. | ||
| I mean, it goes back to what we were talking about employees at Fox News. | ||
| That's unimaginably cruel. | ||
| I'm not saying that they all suck and they're all awful or anything like that, but I find it difficult to imagine people there who haven't quit already. | ||
| It's hard for me to imagine that. | ||
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I don't know that to be true, but it's very hard to imagine. | |
| There's a graphic designer who worked on the pop-ups, on the Chiron, on the whole thing. | ||
| Like, there is somebody doing that shit. | ||
| Tucker Carlson doesn't record his show live like Alex does. | ||
| That is a whole production meeting. | ||
| On a smaller scale, though, too, Alex does have a staff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the people who would have maybe been like, I don't know about this, by natural selection, they're gone already. | ||
| You know, Jakari Jackson didn't like the trend of things that were going on, and he quit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, the... | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I'm not trying to be too fatalistic or too, like, hey, everyone freak out, but, like, if we are not more careful about how we allow stories to be told, how we allow the media to behave, and I'm not saying, like, let's put stringent rules on the media, but, like... | ||
| People who are writing these stories, people who are writing the headlines of these articles, need to be substantially more careful. | ||
| They need to be more aware of what's actually going on and what the intention and effect of this right-wing propaganda is. | ||
| It's incredibly difficult, and I do not... | ||
| I am not in any way jealous of their position. | ||
| I couldn't do it. | ||
| So I'm not saying... | ||
| I'm not wagging the finger, like... | ||
| I could do your job or anything like that. | ||
| I couldn't. | ||
| But I also didn't go get a journalism degree. | ||
| So you guys put yourself in this position because you studied journalism and now have made a career out of being journalists. | ||
| So we, the public, trust you to know how to do journalism. | ||
| And we trust you... | ||
| To adapt to the times that we're in and not fall into the traps of these right-wing propagandists that will lead us all down the road to hell where any attack on anybody on the left is seen as fake. | ||
| Because that's where we're going. | ||
| I think that's where we are. | ||
| Well, it'll be much worse soon. | ||
| But that's where we're going if we don't get the help we need. | ||
| And I say we, I don't mean the left. | ||
| I mean people. | ||
| Because it's easy for it to swing the other way, too. | ||
| And I don't think we want that. | ||
| Anyway, sorry this is a bummer. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Can we just boo? | ||
| Boo! | ||
| Terrorism! | ||
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Boo! | |
| I thought you were booing me. | ||
| No, I'm not booing you. | ||
| It might be deserved. | ||
| Look, I don't have anything to take the sting off this at all, or anything at all. | ||
| Hopefully there won't be any more bombs, and next week the show will be more fun. | ||
| Dan, everyone listens to this show expecting optimism about the future. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then, yeah, look, dude. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| I will tell you this. | ||
| It's really, really good. | ||
| It's a really positive thing that the bomber didn't kill anybody. | ||
| I know that's how I ended the last one, when there was only one bomb in play. | ||
| Now that there's like 10 plus, it's great that no one didn't kill anybody. | ||
| And I'll tell you what, Alex didn't bomb anybody either. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| No, I'll tell you what he did, though. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| He probably technically killed a guy. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |