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Oct. 24, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#220: October 23, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the Oct. 23, 2018 episode of the Alex Jones Show. The night before, Alex was out at Trump's very troubling rally in Houston and elsewhere in the country, someone left a bomb in George Soros' mailbox. How would all of this affect Alex's broadcast the next day?

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alex jones
09:10
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dan friesen
50:15
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
Dan!
dan friesen
Hi, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
When was the last time you went in front of a crowd of 20,000, 30,000 white people and declared yourself to be a nationalist?
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
When you were...
No, no, no.
Remember you did that assembly in, like, third grade?
dan friesen
I was trying to think of, like, back in my stand-up days.
Was there ever a time when I was in front of nearly that large of a crowd of dancers?
No, certainly not.
No, I haven't done that.
You?
jordan holmes
You know, I think I've declared myself a nationalist before, but that was more in, like...
Risk.
That kind of a situation.
So it would have been in front of like two to three people.
dan friesen
If you're in a risk game and you're a nationalist, you're going to straight lose.
You've got to look at the global perspective.
jordan holmes
Protectionist borders.
That's how I play risk.
dan friesen
I mean, I guess that's the Oceania strategy to some extent.
jordan holmes
I stake out North America and I put all my troops on the borders.
unidentified
Foolish.
jordan holmes
Leave everything in the middle alone.
dan friesen
Terrible strategy.
jordan holmes
And just let it go.
dan friesen
I think that's bad, much like Trump doing his rally, as we're recording this last night, because we're recording on Tuesday.
On Monday night, his rally out in Houston.
We're going to get into that a tiny bit.
jordan holmes
I think they scrubbed out the part where he led with White.
Or at the very least...
dan friesen
They're on a slight delay, so they're able to hit the cough button.
We'll talk about that a little bit.
Just saying you're a nationalist isn't really the worst thing in the world.
It's the other things that surround it that create a much more robust picture.
And that is what I think, to some extent, people...
I think some people are doing a great job picking up on what's going on, and I think others are not.
And Alex is...
Fully on the other side.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's not getting the picture?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He's a nationalist.
I mean, he was a globalist, but now he's a nationalist.
dan friesen
He is getting the picture.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex is definitely getting the picture.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
And I know that because I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know...
Anything about Alex Chandler.
dan friesen
That's correct.
Jordan, today what we're going to be doing is we're going over the October 23rd, 2018 episode.
I apologize to not have a Wacky Wednesday episode for you.
jordan holmes
Alas.
dan friesen
But duty calls, and there's some situations in life that...
That take precedence over laughing at space idiots.
And today is one such occasion.
jordan holmes
I'm going to pre-guess and say this is all about hatred of non-white people coming up to the border.
dan friesen
No.
Only a little.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, okay.
unidentified
Only a little.
jordan holmes
Well, at least he does get to the topical news of the day.
dan friesen
He does, he does.
He does do that a little bit.
I'm not actually sure we're even going to cover it, because I don't think that his narrative on that has really evolved at all since the last time we talked about him being like, yeah, it's Democrat-funded, it's an army of invaders, all that sort of thing.
The issue that I have is I watched a little bit of the Trump rally for reasons unknown.
I was sitting around.
jordan holmes
That was a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Well, I guess I was kind of, I think I was watching something on YouTube and then I went back to the homepage and they're like, hey, Trump rally is live.
I'm like, alright, let's see what's going on.
jordan holmes
Alright, YouTube.
dan friesen
And so I clicked on it and I started watching it and I started sort of in the middle of Ted Cruz's, his guest set at the beginning.
jordan holmes
That's the worst.
dan friesen
And he was killing.
He was crushing.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But I noticed something in him that you can see in comics, and that was, like, if you watch enough comedians, especially in the lower levels, there's oftentimes there are people who are really bad comedians or are used to getting a terrible response who get in front of a good room accidentally and start doing really well.
And you can see it in their face, they're like, oh my god, this is, oh wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wish it was always like this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Ted Cruz had that look, and it really confused me.
It didn't confuse me, but it made me super grossed out.
Because I could tell the internal machinations in his head were like...
Man, I wish I had this many idiots who would show up for me.
These people are fucking simple.
He would just say something like, Hillary sucks!
And everyone would go, lock her up!
Lock her up!
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're adults!
dan friesen
USA chants would break out for no reason.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was crazy.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
It was a madhouse.
It's the kind of crowd, if you're a comic, you would love that crowd.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Good God.
dan friesen
You would hate for them to be your fans, but you'd love to perform in front of Emily.
unidentified
You know what?
jordan holmes
No.
I don't like it.
I need a challenge.
unidentified
Big ego boost.
jordan holmes
I need better than a USA chant.
dan friesen
Big ego boost.
jordan holmes
That's why I don't go out to that one coffee house anymore.
dan friesen
Sure.
So I was watching that, and then Trump gets up, and he, you know, I realize that I've really only watched snippets of Trump rallies in the past.
I've never really watched more than, like, four continuous minutes.
And it was, like, not infuriating, but it was like...
I can't believe it's not parody.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, right?
dan friesen
I know I'm not breaking new ground on anything or saying anything like this, but the amount of times he mugs, like, the amount of times he walks away from the podium, it's like, this is satire.
jordan holmes
Wait, he just walks away from the podium?
dan friesen
When USA chants break out or something like that or lock her up, he'll, like, walk away from the podium, turn around to do, like, a, eh, what do you want me to do, kind of shrug.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yes, he does.
unidentified
What?
Yes.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
That can't be real!
dan friesen
He does it so much.
I don't even know what to say to describe it, but it made me very terrified to be watching this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he is talking about the caravan of refugees, and he's calling them an invading army and stuff like that.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then you have the optics of the entirely white faces behind him.
The shot is...
All white people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And they're all like, ah, build the wall, build the wall!
dan friesen
And it's really, really hard to watch that without feeling some sense of like, and again, I know this is not new territory, but this is a fucking hate rally.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There is nothing else going on here.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
There is no reason for it to exist in terms of like, the midterms.
I don't think this is helping him.
Like, I don't think this is helping Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz is going to get whatever he's going to get.
People aren't going to be swayed one way or another.
Beto is going to pick up people who weren't going to vote or undecided people.
Ted Cruz has got his old people, and that is that.
This is all strictly to inflame the base.
This is just to rally them around this.
This cruelty that already exists within them.
Yeah.
Normalize it.
Let them express it in some public forum where the rest of the country has to watch.
And the rest of the country has to see this exists.
This whole stadium of people don't want you fucking here.
You're a fucking army invader.
And it was really, really difficult to watch.
Then he gets into his part where he's like, you know what a globalist is.
You know what a globalist is?
jordan holmes
Wait, Trump said that?
dan friesen
Yeah!
jordan holmes
And he said he was a globalist!
dan friesen
Well, not anymore.
That's how he led into, I'm a nationalist.
He's talking about, like, you know what a globalist is.
Pause.
Which is a little bit like, alright, buddy.
Then he's like, they're the people who care about the whole globe.
You know, it's old-fashioned to be a nationalist.
But I'm a nationalist.
I care about our country.
unidentified
USA!
dan friesen
USA!
And I'm like, oh, God, this is...
I just got overwhelmed with a sense of, like, this is so what we talk about all the time.
Like, we don't cover Trump nearly as much as we talk about Alex Jones and his information sphere.
And watching this, I got, like, a lot of anxiety because my overriding, prevailing feeling was, I am going crazy.
Because the world that I've been studying, that people tell me I'm crazy for studying, is now so publicly normalized.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people covering it are doing it very wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they're going to end up playing into his traps.
In the same way, we've seen a bunch of articles today that I think were really great, and people posting on Twitter, about how if you are covering Trump, and you use his language of an army of invading people from the South...
Even if you're just quoting him, you are helping him.
In your headline, if you say, Trump, army of refugees coming, then what you have done is aided the normalization of that language.
jordan holmes
You've given an advertisement for an army of refugees coming.
dan friesen
And there's a hundred things mixed in with this world that Trump is allowing to...
Rear its ugly head that are the exact same things.
People are irresponsibly covering them.
And then, what drove everything home for me was in the evening, there was an article in the New York Times that came out about how someone left a bomb in George Soros' mailbox.
And my first thought was, I can't believe that didn't happen already.
And it's not good to feel that way.
It's not good for me to feel like, oh yeah, wow, took that long?
That's crazy.
But then on the other side, we have to address the fact that, like, Alex Jones is not the only person who does the George Soros game or anything like that.
There's Glenn Beck clearly before him, as we've seen in a recent episode.
jordan holmes
Putin before him.
dan friesen
Sure.
There were other autocratic leaders around the world who didn't like him before that in the 90s, certainly.
There have been Eastern European despots who have disliked his liberating influence that he tries to bring to the country.
jordan holmes
They're not fans of freedom.
dan friesen
Bill O 'Reilly, I believe in 2007, went on a little harangue about him.
But to mention those things are footnotes to what Alex has done.
Alex has taken all of those little games and gone pro with it.
He's made a career largely out of demonizing George Soros, at least in the last five years, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And when we see someone leaving a bomb in his mailbox, I mean, there's no other way to say it.
Like, this shit's getting way too real in the world.
There's no way, like, Alex is not responsible for this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I mean that.
I don't mean necessarily that he's legally responsible.
But spiritually, his actions have created this.
Now, you can make the argument that Trump has also said some fucking shit about Soros, and now it's caught fire with the Tucker Carlson's of the world.
And certainly, that is absolutely true.
But in terms of pushing Soros as the big bad guy in an extended...
Continuous way.
Alex Jones was the proof of concept of that, that everyone else has taken and run with and made their own.
I don't know how else to put it.
Because when you look at it, now what we have is a president who's running, whether or not everybody there is white, the entire shot on television is a bunch of white people, saying really callous, bigoted things about people who are different.
You have that.
Basically, you have a president doing Nazi-style rallies for no political reason other than that.
jordan holmes
Nazi rallies.
dan friesen
Yeah, just for the sake of doing it.
jordan holmes
I want to be loved, and the only way for me to be loved is for me to tell you to hate and that it's okay to hate.
dan friesen
Right.
Then you have the other side of it where you have people like Gavin McGinnis creating paramilitary street gangs that go around and pick fights and beat people up because of political differences.
Yep.
unidentified
And then you have people who go and leave a bomb in the big bad guy, the big Jewish boogeyman's mailbox.
dan friesen
We are so much – the reason that I couldn't sleep last night and all of this leads up to – and I'm sorry.
I'm ranting like crazy.
But what it all adds up to me is I had a realization that we are so much further down the road than I thought.
I had maybe a naive kernel in my head that, you know, I never really thought that we could really go back home again, necessarily.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that the illusions of a return to normalcy have fallen away.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, those are gone.
dan friesen
But the reality of, like, how much deeper in a hole we are than I thought hit me all in a wave last night.
And it was so unpleasant.
jordan holmes
It's a false flag to blame the right wing for violence, because everybody knows that it's the libs who are violent.
dan friesen
I mean, Alex has already set up that narrative.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
He's already set up the idea that they're going to false flag themselves in order to get sympathy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
Everybody on the left saw George Soros being vilified by Tucker Carlson throughout this whole thing.
All of these horrible conspiracy theories coming out, and they were like...
This is our perfect opportunity to finally give us a false flag that we can really sink our teeth into.
dan friesen
Strike while the iron's hot.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It definitely doesn't have a pattern of recurring behavior where right-wing lunatics find that violence is the best way to solve their problems, and they're giant cowards, so...
dan friesen
They blame everyone else.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Or they rationalize it is, I only did that because I'm a victim of your liberal oppression.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So, I realize that...
I was in a situation where we're coming up on a Wednesday episode.
Obviously, we want to have some fun and talk Project Camelot or some shit, but we can't.
The world demands that...
What is Alex going to say the next day?
His whole show is about Soros on many levels.
These days, at least, and for quite a while, all roads lead to Rome.
All fucking roads lead to Soros.
So the idea that last night...
Before this episode of his show, someone left a legit bomb in his mailbox.
I can't imagine he doesn't do something.
Like, I can't imagine he doesn't address it.
So I knew that I would have to do this episode and see what happens.
And I'll tell you what.
Some really bad stuff in this episode.
jordan holmes
Surprise.
dan friesen
But.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I promise you.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That if we get through it, there's some really great stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Then it turns bad.
jordan holmes
Why do we do the show, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Because we need a pressure release valve of some sort.
I'm sorry about that sort of long-winded intro.
No, I love it.
I think I could have delivered it better if I'd slept more last night.
But at the same time, I'm struggling.
I'll be honest.
I'm struggling.
jordan holmes
It's hard.
Every time the news turns a different way, Dan, you come closer to me.
dan friesen
No, I mean...
jordan holmes
You come closer to me.
Join the dark side.
dan friesen
I'm not gonna get there.
jordan holmes
Wield your anger.
dan friesen
I'm not going to get there, but I might get to the point where I flee.
That might be more where we're at.
Anyway, like I said, we're going over October 23rd, 2018, and here is an Out of Context drop from today's show.
alex jones
I dreamed all night about Trump.
dan friesen
We know.
That's not new.
unidentified
He was laying on the edge of the bed.
And I just kind of slowly crawled up to him, wiggling my butt in the air.
dan friesen
Presenting.
jordan holmes
Finally, finally, whenever my lips touched his balls, I knew I had become a man, Dan.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, the episode starts with Alex kind of in what I would describe as, like, kind of boring.
Yeah, okay.
He said like 50,000 people.
Former Alex Jones guest and current Houston police chief Art Acevedo has gone on record and said there were 3,000 people outside.
Okay.
unidentified
So – But he also has this really funny angle that he's going with where he's like, you know, I could have gone inside.
dan friesen
I could have gone inside the rally.
Absolutely.
But I wanted to be outside because the weather was so nice.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's his angle?
The weather's too nice to go inside?
dan friesen
I'm guessing that Trump's people even thought, like, he might be too disruptive for us.
jordan holmes
We don't want him in.
Look.
First, thank you for your service.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Second.
Please don't be, you're not allowed anywhere within 10,000 feet of Trump anymore on account of if he talks to you, the game is up.
Even though he just gave up the game.
dan friesen
And Alex is like, I could see some right-thinking advisor of Trump knowing that Alex probably feels a little bit like a jilted lover on a personal level.
Probably a little mad that Trump came to his home state and didn't ask him to do a set.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
So maybe someone would be like, also he loves guns.
He's always armed.
jordan holmes
Oh shit, is Alex a little pissy that he didn't get to participate in the festivities?
dan friesen
Not publicly, but I'm certain he is.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
I'm certain in his private quiet moments he is.
So, you know, what we got here is him saying there's some counter-protesters, they're all mentally ill, of course.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
He explains that the drop in the stock market was the Chinese.
Because, of course.
Sure.
You know, he talks some shit about the refugee caravan, of course.
He does some of that.
He mentions that the globalists' main goal is defeating America's Christian destiny.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, then, yeah, I'm on board with the globalists now.
dan friesen
Which I think is...
jordan holmes
I'm 100% on board with the globalists.
dan friesen
I think is a little bit too much for him to say, you know?
jordan holmes
For all their wacky, wily coyote plans to take over the world.
The Globalists, if your goal is to defeat America's Christian destiny, sign me up, baby!
dan friesen
I feel like it's too blunt for him, but whatever.
If you want to go that direction, then welcome to Chuck Norris in 2009.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
As well as Jack McClam in 2009.
So, it's all kind of boring and a mishmash of nonsense.
And then, a little bit into the show, he makes this proclamation.
alex jones
And look, I'm going to be honest with you.
I am so upset about what's going on.
jordan holmes
Don't do it.
alex jones
Things are so charged and so epic.
And the decision we're making right now as a culture is so big that I almost can't be on air at this point.
jordan holmes
Good.
Stop it.
alex jones
I do all this preparation and then I do all this research and then I get so angry by the information and so disgusted that I just have trouble even talking at this point.
dan friesen
That's called overcompensating because you don't have information.
jordan holmes
And you don't do any research.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And you really don't prepare for this show.
dan friesen
No.
That's the idea that you can't talk about stuff is a clear indication that all you're doing is stretching for time.
Yeah.
And it's evident in this episode that they're bleeding money because he's...
Plugging every segment.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Every segment, there's a, you gotta give us money, they're trying to destroy us.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
And, of course, the Christmas sale is already in action.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
As we know.
So, yeah, he can't be on air.
He's frustrated.
jordan holmes
Play your cards right and it'll go all the way to Easter, baby.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
If he lasts that long.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
If he's not fully subsidized through Juness multi-level marketing.
But we'll see.
So finally, Alex gets...
jordan holmes
The globalists are out to destroy Juness.
dan friesen
That would be great.
unidentified
That would be great.
dan friesen
So finally, a little bit in, Alex gets into a narrative that is kind of fun to sink our teeth into and isn't something we've already been over a hundred times.
alex jones
The problem is everybody I know is getting in the mail absentee ballots in dead people's names.
And many of them are...
Filled out in Spanish.
And it is a big, big problem.
dan friesen
Okay, alright.
jordan holmes
So the dead people are sending in their absentee ballots, but because they're dead, they're writing the wrong address on there, I assume?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think this is true.
What?
I don't know.
It's an interesting narrative because, number one, if this were true, this would be super easy to substantiate.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
You just pull one out.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Anybody could just...
jordan holmes
Well, you can't just pull one out.
You'd have to put out at least three.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you wouldn't have a pattern.
dan friesen
Right.
And they can't come from you because I don't trust you.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
You probably did that in MS office.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So one of the things that's interesting about this is I looked into it a little bit.
And as it relates to the 2016 election, you can find some stories about people voting in dead people's names.
And as so often the case, the reality serves to hurt Alex's argument more than it proves it.
jordan holmes
Oh, because they were white people?
dan friesen
You see.
We know about these cases because there are routine checks in place with mail-in ballots that election judges do to make sure votes aren't coming in using the names of people who are dead or who aren't real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's nice.
dan friesen
For instance, in Alton, Illinois.
Audrey Cook was caught voting in the name of her dead husband because she said she knew how he wanted to vote.
So what difference does it make?
She knew how he wanted to vote.
jordan holmes
That is a kind of compelling argument.
dan friesen
She felt like she knew it was right, even though it was a felony, so she voted in her dead husband's name.
jordan holmes
So I assume much like the black woman who got, what was it, like five years for felony voting?
That was just because she...
What?
Didn't even know that she couldn't vote because she was a felon.
So I assume that this woman got five years in prison.
dan friesen
She didn't.
unidentified
Oh, she didn't?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
But she voted illegally, Dan.
We have to punish that.
We have to make sure that that's...
We can't have three million illegal immigrants voting.
We have to make sure that the punishment is harsh and strict.
So I assume that she is held to the same standard.
dan friesen
Well, see, the thing is, she voted for Trump, so probably...
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no.
See, she was fine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, also, fun fact, Audrey Cook wasn't just a normal, everyday citizen who may or may not know better about what they're doing.
She was a Republican election judge in the town of Alton.
jordan holmes
What?!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, we have cases like this.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
But the idea, the very fucking idea of Alex coming on air and saying tons of people, everybody I know is getting mailed these ballots filled out in Spanish in dead people's names.
Is ludicrous.
It's absolutely ludicrous.
But he explains why they're doing it in this next clip.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And it makes things even stupider.
alex jones
I'm going to explain something very, very slowly here, James.
Very, very slowly.
unidentified
I don't have a lot to say today.
alex jones
This is one out of 10,000 that actually, where the people get mailed this, they call the news.
If you get crap like this, you have to call the news.
jordan holmes
You do?
alex jones
People in this office.
Have gotten early voter registration stuff.
jordan holmes
Early voter registration?
alex jones
People that come on the air, Joel Gilbert got mailed it.
It was filled out.
jordan holmes
Voter registration?
alex jones
And Citizen was checked off with some person's name to him.
dan friesen
Maybe a former resident?
alex jones
They're just bombing everyone with it.
They know conservatives aren't going to fill out some fake form, but you get the leftist.
Do you think deranged leftists would do that?
Again, do birdies fly in the sky?
dan friesen
I think Alex would consider me a deranged leftist, and no, I wouldn't do that.
Also, I don't believe this is happening.
And also, Joel Gilbert, he's the guy who directed the documentary Dreams of My Real Father, about Obama's dad not being his dad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I trust him.
I definitely don't think that guy would maybe fill out one of those ballots himself to hold up as fake evidence that this is happening.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So generally, after this, Alex starts throwing around a bunch of headlines about places that found people voting in dead people's names.
So he looked into a number of them.
And I'm going to say this.
Generally speaking, most of the time when you read a headline about a town or a state that's concerned about dead people having voted, if you actually read the article or you look into it...
is not voter fraud, but it's almost always clerical errors made by the registrar or the polling place.
Yeah.
unidentified
Almost every single time when they look into it, they find, oh...
dan friesen
There was some sort of a mix-up in the paperwork here or whatever.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Maybe someone is listed as dead when they shouldn't be, or things were filed wrong.
jordan holmes
No, again, actual cases of voter fraud are so tiny.
unidentified
They're usually a white woman who's a Republican election judge.
dan friesen
Right.
A number of cases like that exist.
And then again, there are a couple cases that you can find, certainly, that sort of fit into Alex's narrative.
I won't take that away from him.
There are a couple cases.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
If you look over the span of many years, there are a couple cases, but that doesn't prove that there's any kind of endemic, systematic thing.
And I would say, if you think for a second about what Alex is suggesting, he's saying that he knows people who have received ballots in the names of dead people in Spanish.
Why haven't any of these ballots been produced?
This would be an easy way to substantiate and prove the story if it were true.
Also, why are his friends getting these ballots?
Wouldn't the people behind the scam not want to jeopardize getting charged with a very serious felony because they sent an illegal ballot to one of Alex Jones' friends?
Like, this strategy makes no sense, and him trying to wash it away with, conservatives aren't going to fill that out.
They know better.
Only demon leftists are going to do it.
It's a perfect plan.
Demon leftists get tons of votes, but us cool, moral Republicans aren't going to do it.
jordan holmes
See, this is where I'm back off board with the globalists.
Guys, this is a terrible plan.
At the very least, do a little bit of research and don't send one to Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Come on, guys!
They're smart enough not to send one to him, but all of his friends.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can't know everyone who's associated with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And I think he tipped his hand a little bit there by saying that people...
jordan holmes
Early voter registration.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that might be more what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
And it wasn't...
Written out in Spanish.
dan friesen
There were instructions in Spanish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there were instructions in both English and in Spanish.
dan friesen
That's my guess?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Wait, so people who can speak Spanish are allowed to vote now?
dan friesen
Until they produce any evidence of this and it doesn't trace back to 4chan, I'm going to say this is thin.
It's a thin broth.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with bunk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, in this next clip, we see Alex doing what he does best.
And that is expressing...
That he's a victim.
alex jones
I don't want to have America one big anti-free speech, authoritarian, control freak, pedophile, Berkeley.
I mean, the left really are a bunch of demons.
jordan holmes
You should bomb them.
alex jones
And at the end of the day, more and more, I don't even think that things are a political solution.
It really is a spiritual solution.
And we really are just dealing with a bunch of demon-possessed garbage.
Garbage.
Who we have been so nice to and put up with and appeased and appeased and appeased that now they say we can't say nationalist?
We can't say mother and father?
Capitalism's bad?
You people are scum!
dan friesen
So, in order to present things that are unpresentable and in order to normalize things that other eras would deem abhorrent...
Generally speaking, you need to present it from a place of a grievance.
You need to present it from a place of, we're the ones who have been so nice all along, you've taken our kindness for weakness, and you're the crazy ones, we're just trying to return things to normal from your craziness.
jordan holmes
We let...
These marginalized peoples and let's call them a juice.
We let these juice into our country and then they start doing well.
And some of our people aren't doing well.
So clearly it's the juices fault.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And then we tolerated them for so long and then they just took and took from us.
And, you know, we can't let this happen anymore, Dan.
We need to remember that we are a nation without.
Juice.
And that is why O.J. is in prison once more.
dan friesen
Only tea in the morning, friend.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
It always works out well whenever you demonize.
What?
dan friesen
I mean...
jordan holmes
Why is...
dan friesen
This is real dangerous rhetoric.
jordan holmes
I hate this.
dan friesen
It sucks.
jordan holmes
I hate this.
dan friesen
It sucks so much.
Everything...
jordan holmes
Because...
Because his entire underpinning to all of this shit is everything we're doing, we're saying they're doing, and then we're saying that the stuff we're doing is the stuff they're doing, and they're doing...
What it is they say we're doing, but we're saying that they're doing it even though they're not doing it.
And because they're doing it even though they're not, that gives us carte blanche to do whatever we want because they're already doing it.
dan friesen
It's a Gordian knot of blame that is just so stupid.
But the function of it legitimately is to present the idea that we're good, they're bad, and not only that, they're demon-possessed.
They're not even really people.
When you break it down, the people on the other side are fucking dumb, demon-possessed weirdos.
They're zombies walking around.
They look like mental patients.
Now, the problem that I have here is that we need to really look at what he's talking about in terms of, like, we've put up with this.
Like, we've appeased and appeased and appeased.
The things that he's talking about are things like...
Gay people being allowed to get married.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We gave you that right.
dan friesen
Things like non-discrimination laws.
jordan holmes
We let you do it.
dan friesen
Things like women having access to appropriate health care that won't kill them.
jordan holmes
We bit our tongues and then let women do whatever.
Are they allowed to be people anymore?
I don't know.
dan friesen
Things like minorities being able to speak up about...
Their lot in life.
The situation that the abuses that they may run into from authority figures.
jordan holmes
We didn't have to give you that right, and that's why we wrote it down in the Constitution and strictly enforced it from the very beginning.
dan friesen
It's tough for me to hear this from Alex's position of victimhood when all of the things that he complains about are things that were they gone would return to victimizing everybody.
It's just, it's a real bummer.
jordan holmes
I think so much about, unfortunately, one of Louis C.K.'s earlier jokes off of, I think it was Shameless, where he was just talking about how every year white people add 100 years between when slavery happened and now.
And he was like, yeah, and that's terrible.
Slavery is the worst thing that ever happened to black people.
Bad things happen to white people, too.
For instance, they took our slaves away.
That is the world that these guys are living in, where it's like, yeah, taking our slaves away made us the victim.
That's what he's genuinely saying.
dan friesen
And to relate it to modern-day Louis, it's the same thing with him saying, hey, I lost a lot of money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So he's kind of his own bit.
unidentified
Yeah, by the way, go fuck yourself, Louis.
dan friesen
Alex is all over the place and really irresponsible in his rhetoric in that last clip.
But it kind of gets worse in this next one.
alex jones
But I'll tell you this.
I really am most frustrated that we're all going to have to go through the pain that's coming when it could have been so easy to avoid all this.
But I think really my frustration is it's clear.
The world has cancer.
It's called the left.
And they're not going to go away without a fight.
They take our morality and our kindness as weakness, and the frustration is crushing them has no victory in it because they were already crushed.
jordan holmes
One fucking act of kindness.
alex jones
All right, stay with us.
They are trying to sense the broadcast, so whatever you do, don't share the links.
jordan holmes
One act of kindness, Dan.
I would like one act of kindness in the past, what, how many years from the right wing?
Give me one act of kindness towards all of these marginalized peoples.
Give me one act where you say to yourself, wow, you know, for all the terrible things that the right wing has done, at the very least, this one time they were kind.
dan friesen
There's got to be something, but I got nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I got nothing, man, but like, look.
jordan holmes
We're, look, they're doing everything that he is saying that the left is doing.
And even then, even then.
With him saying that we're doing all of that stuff, and then describing us as monsters who are a cancer, who need to be destroyed.
dan friesen
Never heard that rhetoric before.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not saying that you guys aren't people, even though you're doing all of that stuff.
I'm saying you're Nazis, and Nazis are still human beings.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, people are not their government.
People are not their leaders.
And unfortunately, Trump is such a fucking...
This monstrous recreation of the idiocy of Hitler that stupid white people are going to flock to him whenever they get the chance.
dan friesen
It's fucking awful.
jordan holmes
These people would be...
Look, if this was fucking GW running again, there wouldn't be these stupid fucking rallies.
There wouldn't be this fucking insane tapping into this base.
Animalistic desire to destroy what you don't understand.
dan friesen
Because...
jordan holmes
I mean, in this country, it's still going to happen in other countries if it's GW.
dan friesen
Because at the heart of it, George W. Bush was a cruel, cruel person, but he didn't relish the cruelty publicly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And therefore didn't allow...
The fans, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because what is it now?
These aren't supporters.
These are fans.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
They didn't allow the fans to get in on the cruelty and really bathe in it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And make it their own and feel like, yeah, this is ours.
So like George W. Bush could go and bomb the shit out of countries.
He could start a war on false pretenses.
Super cruel of him.
Super cruel.
jordan holmes
But even then, he was selling it to his right-wing supporters as this is the best thing to do for them.
We're liberators.
We're gonna win the hearts and minds and all of that shit.
We're gonna bring freedom to them.
And he probably would have gotten way more support if he just said, we're going to kill all the Muslims.
dan friesen
Fuck those people.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
We see this now.
If he just said, we're going to go destroy the Muslim world.
dan friesen
What would Trump have done after 9-11 if he was in current Trump mode?
jordan holmes
He would have kicked out every Muslim from the country.
dan friesen
And almost certainly nuked the Middle East or something like that.
Like indiscriminately nuked somebody.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So like the idea of the different...
Republican presidents, it is relevant.
It's super relevant.
This is something altogether different.
But like, the The left is a cancer and must be excised, and they're not going out with a fight, and they're soulless husks.
jordan holmes
And we all know you negotiate with cancer.
dan friesen
And soulless husks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you try and make sure that everybody is well taken care of because you're so kind, Dan.
dan friesen
I mean, what you see here is some of the most dangerous rhetoric that's preparational.
You want your audience to be in a certain state of mind.
You want them to be the sort of people who will join the Proud Boys.
jordan holmes
And the thing about it that I hear in his tone of voice and all of that stuff is that this is like him well aware that he's not going to last.
This is him knowing, my legacy is done.
What I created is going to die out.
And because that hurts me so much, I want people to hurt other people.
I want to lash out.
I want to make sure that if I am going to go down, then you're going to wish that you had never done this to me.
Because my supporters are going to fuck people up.
dan friesen
Oh, and I mean, even a little bit later in this episode, Alex expresses that, like...
Look, they've kicked me off social media stuff, but I plan to make them go the whole nine yards.
I'm going to make them kick me off the internet.
That sort of thing.
So yeah, of course.
I mean, he's preparing his own martyrdom, as he has been for years.
I mean, we talked about that a year ago on the show.
The idea that he's trying to model himself off Colonel Travis with this false sacrifice nonsense in order...
What was it?
That quote from the Texas Monthly.
It was the...
With one letter, Colonel Travis created his own mythology and created the myth of Texas.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that is what Alex is doing, but in a much uglier way.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Much, much uglier.
I don't know.
Shit's bad.
Shit's bad.
But, thankfully...
jordan holmes
Thankfully?
dan friesen
At this point...
jordan holmes
What do we have to be thankful for, Dan?
dan friesen
At this point, Alex decides that he wants to get into a little bit of a comedy bit.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Yep, a little comedy bit.
jordan holmes
His timing is spectacular.
dan friesen
We have different views on it.
alex jones
Well, ladies and gentlemen, listeners, viewers, InfoWars family, I've got some really bad news for everybody.
We've been hearing for three years that there is a rumored N-word tape of President Trump using the N-word.
And world-exclusive right now, we have the video, not just the audio, because, you know, they can fake audio.
Video's a little bit harder.
We have the world-exclusive, and it's with a rejoiceful heart.
jordan holmes
Sell it.
Sell it hard, baby.
alex jones
That I give you this video.
I'm actually very proud that Trump used the N-word.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
Keep selling.
You're doing it.
dan friesen
Earlier, Alex is like, They're going to take me out of context when I say that I'm thrilled that Trump said the N-word, because it's about him saying nationalist.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's just...
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
It's so desperately like, please, someone clip this so I can make fun of you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just someone don't get...
Someone missed the context.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Please, I got to make a meme.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Put me...
Come on, meeting matters.
I miss you.
I miss you tweeting about me all the time.
Come on, tell people how evil I am so they remember me.
dan friesen
I'm relevant.
jordan holmes
It is kind of fun that he, whether he knows it or not, immediately tied the word nationalist and the N-word together.
dan friesen
I think most people have done that.
jordan holmes
Because they kind of figure, you know, they kind of go hand in hand.
dan friesen
Yeah, so...
At Trump's rally, like we mentioned at the beginning of the show, he had a whole set piece, not a set piece, he was just rambling, about how globalists are bad, and it's great, he's a nationalist, and we should all say nationalist.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Which is fine.
Like I said, in a healthy political climate...
The idea of someone having a preference towards nationalistic policies is not the most unhealthy thing.
jordan holmes
We call them protectionist when we're not being white nationalists.
dan friesen
In a balanced, well...
jordan holmes
Protectionist policies are slightly different from white nationalist policies.
dan friesen
Certainly.
There is no doubt about that.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
That's not what he's talking about.
That's not what this means in the political climate that we're in right now.
We are in a situation where we have nationalist uprisings throughout Europe and other parts of the world that are all mysteriously pretty fascist-leaning and all seem to feature people that seem to like to hang out with Steve Bannon.
Much like Trump.
jordan holmes
All seem to be funded by people who don't have the people's best interests in mind.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
And then when you peel it back a tiny bit further, and even this is elementary in many ways, but Alex doesn't want to talk about this, so we might as well bring it up.
Fascism is primarily characterized by hypernationalism.
That's one of the primary drivers of...
When you look historically at the leaders who have been able to institute successful fascist installations, you look at people who used...
Rhetoric that mirrored populist ideals and stressed nationalism to an insane degree.
People like Hitler, Mussolini, great examples of this throughout history.
jordan holmes
It's traditional cult tactics.
Make everyone your enemy.
dan friesen
Us versus them.
jordan holmes
If they're not an American, they're a suppressive person.
dan friesen
And then when you also add in one of the other great features of fascist...
jordan holmes
The great feature.
dan friesen
The great features.
jordan holmes
1080p.
dan friesen
Along with the us versus them, there's always a sort of distrust of other.
You know, beyond just the idea of, like, we are a great nation, we should be greater.
There's that.
And then there is, all others are weird and don't trust them.
So when we see Trump coming out at this rally and being like, I'm a nationalist, it's cool, don't be afraid to say nationalist, it's awesome.
And at the same time, we have...
All the other indications that we see.
We see him calling the refugees that are in that caravan.
jordan holmes
An invading army.
dan friesen
When you see stuff like that, when you see him threatening to take away the legal definitions for trans people, you see the exact tactics that are used by people who are trying to...
And maybe fascist isn't the right way to go about it, because there's a lot of connection to the government itself.
With fascism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Trump seems more interested in himself.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which may be the only thing that saves us ultimately from descending into a fascist dictatorship.
dan friesen
Authoritarian may be the best, better label.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But when you see him coming out and saying, I'm not a globalist, I'm a nationalist, you unpack a bit of the language, what you're seeing is...
And when you hear him do that and everyone's like, ah, yeah, everyone cheers.
Maybe some of them are cheering for the idea of, like, you know, make America great again.
Or like, ooh, I love America.
Isn't it great?
USA, USA.
But others are cheering for something else entirely.
jordan holmes
And the way, I think I would put it a little bit differently from the way you put it.
I would say, more specifically, it's not that they want to just make America great.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it's not that they want to make America greater.
It's that they want to make America greater than whatever shit you are.
And if that means that we destroy all of your shit, and ours, but ours still comes out a little bit better, we still won.
It doesn't matter if we destroyed our own lives, yours are worse.
So we're still great.
I guess here's what I would say.
Maybe Alex is right.
Maybe this ultimately is the most important election.
In American history.
Because maybe this election, if everybody finally gets the fucking picture, and everybody does what the Republicans don't want you to do, as you can see by how restrictive they're trying to be towards voting rights and succeeding in being, maybe this is the last election where we can actually solve this using democracy.
Because after that, if they're still in power for the next couple of years, they can enact even more horrible shit.
dan friesen
Suppression's only going to get worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's not going to be a democratic solution.
Because at a certain point, democracy lost.
And we're really on the knife's edge there.
dan friesen
Even in your sort of scenario, which I think is maybe possible.
I think it's possible.
But even then, you're still going to have to deal with the uprising.
that's going to happen.
You're still going to have to deal with all of the people who have been so excited by his rallies.
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, his fans, as it were, who are not going to stop organizing, and they're not going to organize...
dan friesen
Like the democratic socialists, let's say, going door to door knocking in order to help push rent control so people don't get kicked out of their homes.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They're not going to organize in productive ways in terms of helping people.
They're going to organize the way Alex would like them to into militias or the way Gavin McGinnis would like them to into street mobs.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And that is going to be, no matter what happens, that's going to be an issue that will need to be addressed.
jordan holmes
And it's going to be terrible.
Because they've been given this taste of hatred.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And if it's no longer in vogue anymore, that's another thing on their victim list.
You took away our right to hate loudly and publicly.
dan friesen
They'll find a way to rephrase that, probably.
alex jones
Well, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
But that means that now they had this taste of being able to be violent, and you took it away, so that's only going to make them more violent.
Going to cause real harm.
dan friesen
They already are.
The end result behavior is already predetermined.
It's just what the justification will be along the way that is yet to be determined.
Alex is going to be a fucking monster and get people hurt.
It's just going to be whether or not his guy is in power and he has that narrative or his guy is out of power and he has that narrative.
It doesn't really matter.
So, Jordan, at this point...
We get to a clip that is a mic down clip.
It's a little bit longer, but on this episode, again, the day after someone left a bomb in George Soros' mailbox.
jordan holmes
Right.
False flag.
dan friesen
Probably a false flag.
Alex doesn't say that.
He does mention that...
Like when he's talking about the refugee caravan, he does mention Soros probably paying for it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
He does mention him offhandedly a couple times.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
But this next clip, when I heard it, my heart started fluttering.
Like I got that kind of anxiety flutter.
Yeah.
And you'll understand when you hear what he says.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it needs to be said that there is no universe.
No possible universe that I believe exists.
And I believe in the multiverse.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
I believe that there's infinity possibilities, and in literally every single one of them, Alex Jones knows that someone left a bomb in George Soros' mailbox last night.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah!
dan friesen
There is no chance that he is unaware of that.
jordan holmes
No, he got three million text messages.
dan friesen
There is no way that he doesn't know that, and that isn't...
Something that he's aware of when he says the words that he's about to say.
jordan holmes
Christ.
alex jones
And that's why it's an abomination when people come up to me on the street and say, man, how are you taking it?
You must be down.
You must be depressed.
No, I'm ready for war.
I'm on fire to fight.
And pissed I can't figure out how to get more leverage to beat these people!
That's how I feel.
Not like I'm getting my ass kicked, but that I'm in a total war.
And I just can't swing fast enough to take these people down politically.
I mean, where are your instincts?
Where is your common sense?
And I know our audience is hardcore.
I'm not talking to you.
I'm talking to new listeners and sellouts to the establishment.
But it's a spiritual thing.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
Misery loves company, and these people are trying to destroy us, and we have to stop laying down to them.
We have to stop going along with the globalists and their minions, and we have to stop trying to placate them and be friends with them and sit here and play nice.
They're not playing nice.
They're a bunch of bullying, evil jerks.
And they now know that InfoWars has the spirit, the program, the code.
To relaunch it all.
And that's why they treat us like we're death.
Because to them, we are death.
To George Soros and to Hillary Clinton and to Barack Obama and to Lord Rothschild, you understand I'm the grim reaper come to their door.
I'm death.
And I am death.
And they know it.
I'm death of their system.
dan friesen
Good save.
alex jones
And you're death to them.
We really just love life.
But see, to them, we're death.
Because if they can't suck off our unborn, if they can't piss on our families and deface everything, the little horrible demonic gremlins they are, it doesn't make them feel good.
Only when they're strangling innocents in some satanic basement.
dan friesen
Satanic basement?
alex jones
Only when they're torturing toddlers to death, literally, do they feel alive in their psychotic dream.
And I've interviewed the top psychiatrists that have interviewed the top serial killers.
It's like blazing white light when they're doing horrible things.
They're totally depressed and tortured when they're not because they're possessed.
And if we won't stand against these possessed people, then we deserve to be enslaved by them, and God will hold us in judgment for allowing them to endanger the innocent and the children.
So I tell you now, those of you that have stood idly by, your soul, your immortal soul is on the line.
And if you don't stand for the unborn, and if you don't stand for the innocent, and if you don't stand against these monsters, when you stand before God, God will say, I know you not.
You didn't do anything when the Holy Spirit touched you to fight these people, and you were of the devil.
So go back from which you came forever.
You are not amongst us.
You belong to death eternal.
We've got a bunch of Trump clips and total proof of election fraud next hour, and I'm going to get focused and cover it all.
Please.
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unidentified
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Who didn't see that coming?
No one.
Jesus.
That clip is perhaps in the poorest taste.
Uh, imaginable.
The idea that, like, I think he saved himself a little bit from, uh, maybe real trouble by saying, long pause, death to their system.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the day after someone leaves a bomb in George Soros, your main enemy's mailbox, it's probably not wise to come on air and say, to George Soros, I'm the Grim Reaper, come to your door.
I'm death.
I'm death.
That seems really, really fucked up.
jordan holmes
The phrase that got me, though, was before that, when he said, now they know.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Because I hear that, and I hear him thinking, see?
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
We can put a bomb in your place.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's possible.
jordan holmes
We know where you are.
Now you know that I'm the Grim Reaper.
Now you know I can touch you.
dan friesen
I mean, that timeline for him saying, now you know, certainly makes a lot more sense than it being like, you got Trump elected, because that was almost two years ago.
So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting that that stuck out to you, because that was much less jarring to me than, I am death, I am death.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, look, he's always saying that they're evil.
dan friesen
It's rarely that, though.
jordan holmes
You need to make right with God because if you don't bomb George Soros, God is going to hate you or whatever the fuck it is.
But the now they know, that hit so hard because, like you said, there is no universe where he doesn't know.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no universe where Buckley didn't call him immediately and go, Don't say a goddamn word about Soros tomorrow!
dan friesen
Don't do it!
jordan holmes
Don't talk about Soros!
Zero Soros!
dan friesen
Don't say you're gonna kill him at his door!
jordan holmes
And then his dad called him and he was like, listen, I know I had Buckley call you, and I feel like that wasn't enough.
So, don't say!
Don't talk about George Soros!
As the head of HR.
dan friesen
Alex hangs up on him.
His phone rings again.
alex jones
You're right, Dad.
unidentified
All right, all right.
dan friesen
His phone rings again.
It's Buckley again, who is now like, Alex, I know you don't listen to reason, you don't listen to words, so I made a techno song about how you shouldn't talk about George Soros.
jordan holmes
And it's a remix of the phone call his dad just sent.
unidentified
Don't talk about Soros!
dan friesen
That's terrible.
jordan holmes
No, that's...
dan friesen
It's uncautionably dangerous.
Kind of speech.
It's so fucked up.
jordan holmes
No, I think that might actually be a crime, though.
dan friesen
I don't think it's a crime, but man, it's real bad.
Because it's relishing in the attempted murder of somebody.
Yep.
And, you know, the obvious response to that would be like, I said I was death to their system.
unidentified
Fuck off.
dan friesen
That was an afterthought, Alex.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
It was very clearly an afterthought.
And that's the same thing with your like...
We should kill them politically.
It's the same sort of bullshit.
You know what you're saying, and you know what people are hearing.
So, this to me is really fucked up, and it would be fucked up without the ad pivot at the end.
And it would be fucked up if he didn't then get into blood libel shit.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
About killing our kids and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
I thought you were setting up the next clip.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It was in there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It would be fucked up if you didn't say that they were killing these children in satanic basements.
What's that a reference to?
jordan holmes
Oh, I don't know, Dan.
dan friesen
Pizzagate.
jordan holmes
So many different satanic basements out there.
dan friesen
What satanic basement has ever been a part of your narratives other than Pizzagate?
jordan holmes
So many satanic basements.
dan friesen
And they're also a fake basement.
But that is clearly...
Something that he's pulling from in his memory banks in order to make this they're devils that want to kill your kid riff work.
He doesn't have, like, you know, the nouns aren't coming that he needs.
And so he pulls satanic basement out, which can only be a reference to Pizzagate.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So that's all so fucked up.
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
Which he did not say was something people should do.
He was just having a debate, Dan.
He was just having debates.
Sure, years later it comes up whenever he's talking about the guy who just got a bomb put in his fucking mailbox.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the guy who got a bomb put in his mailbox who Alex said was behind Pizzagate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the puppet master.
dan friesen
So, I mean, what we have here is, like, I expected fully to have the show open.
With Alex being like, no one should put a bomb in George Soros' mailbox.
That is not a good thing to do.
jordan holmes
Did he say that?
dan friesen
No, he never said that.
jordan holmes
He never said that.
dan friesen
No, but that's what I expected.
When I turned on the show, I expected that to be his angle or it be like, now look, they're going to blame it on us.
It's going to be, the next thing you know, it's going to be Alex Jones made someone bomb George Soros.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, they've already got the predictive programming going, blah, blah, blah, I'm a victim, false flag.
I thought that would be what he says.
The fact that he never addresses directly the fact that Soros had a bomb put in his mailbox.
And says, I am the grim reaper coming to Soros' door.
I am death.
I am death.
It made me feel so sick to my stomach.
Because like I said, last night, as we're recording this, the experience of watching Trump's rally and then afterwards seeing the news of Soros' bomb thing, it had a visceral response.
So then to tune this in and see Alex wallowing around in it like a pig in shit, it made me feel like, I guess the only way I'd describe it is when, you know, Saudi Arabia has clearly murdered a journalist.
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then Trump goes on air at one of his rallies and talks about that guy from Montana body slamming a journalist and talking about how it's great.
When you have something like that, you have two things that are connected.
There's no way they're not connected.
But they're so inappropriate.
And they show such a deep lack of humanity.
And such a deep lack of anything resembling decency.
It's so scary.
It's so scary to me.
That's bad.
jordan holmes
And it's so infuriating.
It will never not be infuriating to know that the Koch brothers are actually behind the complete destruction of fucking democracy in America.
dan friesen
Not just them.
A couple other guys, too.
jordan holmes
Not just them, but they are the biggest, and their network, and they're the guys who have poured more money into this than anybody else.
Anybody else?
And nobody has put a bomb in there.
Not that they should.
No, no, no.
That's what I'm saying.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I know what you're saying.
jordan holmes
I'm saying that nobody has ever done that.
And Soros has done nothing but try and make people's lives better?
dan friesen
That's not entirely true.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's a billionaire.
He can go fuck himself.
Look, I get it.
dan friesen
He did do some insider trading in the 80s.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good.
Kill him.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But that's these people, man.
That's who they're tapping into!
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And they're just fucking saying that that's...
jordan holmes
Are we all just going to die knowing that we're better people than the people that are murdering us?
dan friesen
This is kind of the struggle.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's so infuriating.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
You feel like they're gaslighting us on such a level that you start to feel like you're going insane.
dan friesen
That's what I was saying.
jordan holmes
You're just like...
There's no reality anymore!
dan friesen
That's what I was saying.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
That's what I was talking about when I was saying I feel crazy.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
I feel crazy listening to this shit, and I'm like, I don't know how you get to present yourself as, like, the good people and the victims and all of that when you relish and sort of brag about an attempted murder.
jordan holmes
When you, uh, your team...
Put a bomb in somebody's mailbox.
When your team murdered a woman at a white nationalist rally.
When your team is owner of Gavin McGinnis and the Proud Boys who are randomly beating the shit out of people.
When your team is the group of people who are finding any and every excuse to be anti-Semitic and Islamophobic.
When your team is fucking incarcerating children and not keeping any records and not even trying to fulfill...
The court order of putting these families back together.
Your team is the victim.
dan friesen
Sure!
And your team is even sort of encroaching on its own ideology by doing those things because they make government expenses higher.
jordan holmes
Encroaching?
Their entire philosophy is nothing.
There is nothing to the Republican Party.
dan friesen
Their erstwhile philosophy.
jordan holmes
There's nothing now but white nationalism and protectionism for the rich.
That's it.
dan friesen
That's all they've got.
It does feel like that is what's driving everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so I told you I couldn't sleep last night, and one of the things that I decided to spend my time doing was playing a little Candy Crush because I was laying in bed.
Yeah, yeah.
And then when I decided I'm not going to get to sleep, I decided to look into and make sure I understood all of the accusations against George Soros that people like Alex Jones and his ilk make.
And it led me to watching a bunch of YouTube videos that are really stupid.
A lot of them are clearly Alex Jones rip-offs.
jordan holmes
Adjacent?
dan friesen
No, not adjacent.
People with 50 views on their videos but are doing an impression.
It's embarrassing to watch.
You understand the reason that Alex can do this is because he's fucking talented.
He can do this because he doesn't miss beats usually.
The beats are bad, but he doesn't miss them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so I'm watching a lot of these videos, and it's just...
jordan holmes
He knows how to stand on the X and deliver his line, baby.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just hack versions of Alex, like, looking into a camera and being like, look at Soros, he looks like a frog!
I'm like, this is disgusting.
But I looked at all of the talking points that there are.
A lot of them we've covered on the show already.
Many of them.
Those are a lot of the main ones.
But I'm now more confident than ever that if anybody wants to come at me and talk about Soros...
I will smack down anybody in a debate about it.
Maybe I'm a little bit sleep-deprived and shouldn't be making challenges like this publicly.
But anybody who has these sort of ideas about George Soros, I can show you why you're wrong.
And then explain to you how the belief that you have that is wrong and not based in reality actually ties back to anti-Semitic propaganda from history.
So, I was going to lay that all out on the show.
jordan holmes
No, we don't have...
dan friesen
But I decided, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
You are way too sleep-deprived for that.
dan friesen
But also, too much of it is stuff we've already gone over on the show.
A lot of the other stuff is just sort of finer points and little stray...
Accusations that were made by, like, the Lyndon LaRouche's of the world and stuff like that.
And so, I mean, I looked into all of them.
There's nothing to any of it.
Like I said, the worst he could get is there was, like, in the 80s, he had an insider trading thing.
It wasn't really that big of a deal, and he gave the money back and everything.
And it's debatable whether he actually acted with...
Bad faith.
Yeah.
It's unclear, but whatever.
If that's the tack you want to take, we can stipulate that one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Insider trading is bad.
unidentified
Next.
jordan holmes
Billionaires should go to hell.
dan friesen
Next point.
jordan holmes
Moving on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway, that is the most unpleasant part of this episode.
And like I told you, since we've made it through, we now get to have something fun.
And that is that Alex Jones has been teasing a special guest throughout the episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
You don't know who this person is.
There's no way.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
He has a guy named Ricky Burwick on the show.
unidentified
Ricky Burrs?
dan friesen
Do you know who that is?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I was going to see how long I could try and pull off the, like, I went to high school with that guy!
unidentified
No, you didn't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's a guy who makes YouTube videos.
jordan holmes
Okay, no, I didn't.
dan friesen
Little short YouTube videos.
unidentified
Good.
dan friesen
That he wants, he's trying, you know, trying to get them to go viral, what have you.
I don't hate the hustle.
But a lot of them end up with him hitting pigs with hammers and screaming.
jordan holmes
All right, so he's like a Jim Cramer type.
dan friesen
Or a Gallagher.
jordan holmes
He's a little bit of a Gallagher.
dan friesen
Sure, there's some of that.
jordan holmes
He'd be Gallagher 3 or 4 at this point?
dan friesen
I don't know, but I suspect that there's only one video of his that Alex has ever seen, and that is him yelling about how CNN needs to shut up and hitting something with a hammer.
unidentified
Good work.
dan friesen
And so Alex has decided...
jordan holmes
That's excellent analysis.
unidentified
Alex has decided, this guy is our guy.
dan friesen
He's on the team.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
So, he's a special guest.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And we get to the interview, and, man, this does not go the way anybody wanted it to go, but I'll say that Ricky seems like he's having a great time.
alex jones
How would you describe yourself?
Just a free speech guy?
unidentified
Free speech.
Whoa!
Memer.
I like memes.
I like a lot.
I have fun, you know?
Just like you like that.
We're all having fun on the internet, right?
That's what we're all about.
alex jones
Why do you think there's been such a purge of free speech in the last few months?
unidentified
A lot of social justice warriors.
A lot of them recently.
I think since the internet gotten so big, a lot of people now have tablets, and there's a lot of...
We gotta...
We gotta stay...
dan friesen
You notice those jumps?
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
He keeps swearing.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's what's happening.
dan friesen
So they're hitting the delay button because they're on the radio.
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
He keeps cussing.
unidentified
Standing on ground.
That's what we gotta do.
alex jones
Ricky, we do need to do that.
And you're a very interesting fella, but we're on hundreds of TV and radio stations and we're delaying when you're using non-King's English.
So just do me a big favor because it's hard for us to delay that.
dan friesen
So, in the middle of their conversation about free speech, Alex is censoring him and telling him to not use the non-King's English.
I know that there's differences between swearing and breaking FCC violations and infringing on free speech.
I just think there's a certain thematic irony to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's dumb.
That should kind of reveal how dumb that is, too.
That should really kind of put all that to bed.
dan friesen
There's something so funny, though, of after the second time he swears and they have to bleep it, Alex, log pause and be like, you are right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we should do that.
dan friesen
You are right, and you are an interesting fella.
So, this interview does not go how Alex wants it to, as we've already seen.
He's cussing and has to tell, buddy, please stop swearing.
jordan holmes
My favorite part was when he was like, ah, we're all just having fun out here on the internet, right?
Alex heard that and was like...
alex jones
I'm a crusader.
No, we're not having fun.
dan friesen
And I've also been kicked off most parts of the internet.
That's why I'm not having fun.
jordan holmes
You guys are having fun on the internet, not me anymore!
dan friesen
And that seems to be Ricky's whole thing.
He seems to be having a blast.
And like I said, I mean, I watched a couple of his videos and I don't see much merit to them.
Like, it's not for me.
You know what I'm saying?
It's a guy yelling at the camera and sometimes hitting shit.
But I get that a lot of other people enjoy it and God bless them, I don't give a shit.
But Alex is real serious.
He heard in that clip that Ricky is super into memes.
He's a meme guy.
jordan holmes
He's a memer, I believe is what he said.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And as we know, Alex is super into this NPC meme, the non-playable character meme at the moment.
We gotta get memes.
jordan holmes
That's why they hate us, because our memes are so good.
dan friesen
So he asks Ricky about it, and he does not get the response he wants.
jordan holmes
I think your memes suck.
alex jones
What do you think of NPC?
unidentified
All right, so it's a great meme.
I did a video of it myself.
alex jones
But where do you think it's going to go, then?
unidentified
I think it's going to die in like a month.
Like every meme.
alex jones
Now, I have been kind of the eternal meme.
unidentified
Okay.
Oh, oh.
dan friesen
I have rarely heard two people have such bad chemistry.
And it's one person's fault, and he's the host.
This is atrocious.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's the saddest sentence I think I've ever heard Alex say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Some people call me the eternal meme.
dan friesen
And Ricky's response is like, oh.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
So he talks more about the MPC meme, and Ricky is talking about, like, yeah, people don't like that very much, that meme being used against them or whatever.
And Alex is like, yeah, so that's because it's so reminiscent of the 1984 Apple commercial in HHX.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
3-3-3-8-1-1.
dan friesen
And Ricky is like, I just think it annoys people.
I think it just makes them mad.
unidentified
And Alex is, like, trying to bring this, like, no, it's because it's an archetype that goes back to...
jordan holmes
Why don't I ever do pre-show interviews?
dan friesen
It goes back to THX1138.
jordan holmes
Did anybody ask this guy a single question before you put him on my show?
dan friesen
It is a psyop that we're running against them through memes.
jordan holmes
Who books this shit?
dan friesen
Because the Fabian socialists want us to use emojis, but we are going to do war with them with memes.
jordan holmes
I think the Fabian socialists are just out here trying to have fun, like we all are, right?
dan friesen
There's so much of Ricky's response is like, I don't know about that.
Which, again, I got nothing but respect for.
So at this point, Alex spots something in the camera shot.
And this interview is going so badly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, you hear the pauses.
jordan holmes
It's a disaster.
dan friesen
They're not connecting in any way, really.
unidentified
Not even close.
dan friesen
And so he's just grasping at straws to try and, like, what am I going to fucking talk about?
alex jones
Tell me about that hound dog that's over there in the corner of your room.
unidentified
Hound dog?
That's a piggy bank.
alex jones
What's his name?
unidentified
What's his name?
It's been there for, like, maybe five years now.
Just there.
Less dust.
But you can ask me about my hammer.
alex jones
Yeah, you have the hammer a lot.
jordan holmes
You have the hammer a lot!
dan friesen
Alex needs prompting to get to, like...
The reason that I'm, you know, people like what I do is I hit things with hammers.
So you can ask about that if you want, instead of this stupid piggy bank that I got over here.
jordan holmes
Wow, that is desperation.
Hey, where's some of that hound dog over in the corner of your room?
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a piggy bank.
dan friesen
Oh.
Now...
He asked about the hammer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Tyranny Crusher 54. Absolutely.
dan friesen
But the hound dog slash piggy bank does come back up.
jordan holmes
Does it get smashed by the hammer?
dan friesen
Well, we all know.
jordan holmes
Isn't that the cartoon thing to do is you smash the piggy bank with a hammer and you get the...
dan friesen
And even further than that, we all know that when Alex sees a dog, he can't resist killing it.
So this is what happens next.
alex jones
That hound dog kind of looks like Nancy Pelosi.
unidentified
Why are you so in love with my hound dog?
You want me to grab it?
alex jones
I want you to kill it.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
You want me?
Okay.
Okay.
One second.
alex jones
I like dogs, but you know what?
That one, that looks like Nancy Pelosi.
jordan holmes
Where's Nonc?
alex jones
So, I want you, I want you to kill it.
unidentified
You want me to kill it?
alex jones
I want you to kill Nancy Pelosi.
No, no, no, don't do it.
jordan holmes
This is fucked up.
alex jones
Don't do it.
I was just joking.
That doesn't like Pelosi.
It's too cute.
jordan holmes
This is fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's very weird.
I mean, you don't really need visuals that much.
jordan holmes
No, that's fucked up.
That's a fucked up conversation.
It's a fucked up way for it to go.
dan friesen
It's super weird for him to just obsessively want dogs dead, whether real or fake dogs.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Seems to be so consistent in his character, yet he claims to love dogs.
Very weird.
jordan holmes
Even his jokes are like...
Ha ha ha, murder it.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
Kill Nancy Pelosi.
I'm joking!
And again, on an episode where we have him respond the way he did to the bomb in George Soros' mailbox, it's really responsible for him to even jokingly be like, that dog looks like Nancy Pelosi, kill it.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not, this isn't okay in any form of public discourse.
So, that was an attempt at comedy.
It was.
He thought he was doing some real fun.
unidentified
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
Because he's got a memer in there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's what he thought whenever he killed Nunk.
dan friesen
Sure.
Hilarious.
So he's got this memer in there who gets laughs because he does have some chops.
As you can tell, his timing is pretty great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shooting down some of Alex's dumb bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he's like, all right, we're going to tag team this thing.
And that was the result.
That bit was the result.
You want me to grab my piggy bank?
Kill the dog.
jordan holmes
We shouldn't allow people with right-wing views to even attempt comedy because it only makes them angrier and more prone to violence.
dan friesen
It's for their own good.
Yeah.
I've always said that stand-up needs an HR department.
jordan holmes
Oh, for sure.
dan friesen
Alex's dad can run it if need be.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
There needs to be some...
jordan holmes
Somebody already has a bit of a sexual assault problem.
I don't know if you've read the news, Dan.
dan friesen
There needs to be some sort of body in place that's like, hey man, nothing personal.
Gotta go.
jordan holmes
We gotta get a union and our union rep would come in and be like, hey dude, no.
No, no, no, no.
Look, we want you to be in the group.
But we just...
There's just not enough room.
You know...
There's no more spots open.
Ever.
Anywhere near you.
Ever.
unidentified
Ever.
dan friesen
So, we just heard the on-air version of Alex Jones' comedy.
But, in our last clip here, Alex Jones discusses some field comedy that he did while he was out at the Trump rally.
alex jones
I want you to tell Jack Dorsey to stop being a sempering, censoring monster.
dan friesen
Oh, I forget.
I forgot that this clip also starts with him telling Ricky to pretend something else is Jack Dorsey and hit it with a hammer.
alex jones
Tell him.
jordan holmes
He's an adult.
unidentified
Stop being a censoring monster!
alex jones
There you go.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
This is weird.
alex jones
Now we're talking.
jordan holmes
This is like the today show.
alex jones
Now have the hound dog piss on him.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Hound dog's dead.
alex jones
Hey, since we're in the spirit, a little bit of comedy here.
jordan holmes
Is that what we're in?
alex jones
Let me play this video.
Did you know I interviewed Beto yesterday?
unidentified
Did you?
alex jones
Yeah, the media made a big deal about it.
But this is the HD we're about to premiere.
This is shock video.
Alex Jones interviews Beto O 'Rourke.
Here it is.
Drew, are you going?
Dude, dude, he's leaving.
Dude, it's Beto.
It's Beto.
dan friesen
To give you some context, because I know you're not on social media, so you may not have seen this.
The visual of this is Alex standing over some dog shit on the street.
Or maybe horse shit.
I think he says it's horse shit.
And yelling at this poop that's on the ground.
unidentified
Pretending that the poop is Beto.
dan friesen
It's comedy.
jordan holmes
Alright.
If he didn't mean it, it would be comedy.
Man, you just gotta figure out how comedy works, guys.
dan friesen
Your life will be so much better.
jordan holmes
You'll have more empathy.
It'll be great.
dan friesen
The video that Alex put out, it just appears to be him yelling at some poo on the ground, but someone else was there and got it on their camera, and there's a bunch of people, not a bunch of people, there's people standing around, and everyone's like, The fuck are you doing?
You have to realize, like, on some level, like, you're doing this and, like, people are just watching you yell at poop.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hilarious.
dan friesen
Anyway, the clip's not done.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait.
So, hold on.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, the poop is supposed to be Beto?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Alright, so when he's yelling at the poop...
You're supposed to make the connection in your mind that Beto is poop.
dan friesen
See, that's...
jordan holmes
And that's why it's funny.
dan friesen
The problem is Alex, much like Dennis Miller, is cerebral.
jordan holmes
Ah, too smart.
dan friesen
Too smart.
Also, not funny.
alex jones
Beto!
Beto!
Why did you say that you want to ban all semi-automatics in Texas?
Why did you say that your mother was a Republican and she wasn't?
Why did you do a drunken hit and run?
They didn't take themselves a little too serious.
Beto!
It's horseman-er.
Beto, you're just like...
jordan holmes
Wait, people?
alex jones
Senator Marco Rubio, you won't talk to me!
Why won't Beto O 'Rourke?
What's his real name?
Maybe I'll go call to that.
I do look totally insane with my haircut short, don't I?
jordan holmes
Yeah, with your haircut short.
dan friesen
Yelling at shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the problem.
alex jones
Talk to me!
Treat me like a human!
With the cops coming over like, what in the hell?
Ladies and gentlemen, that could not be our next senator from Texas.
Go to hell, Beto!
So there you go.
jordan holmes
That was it?
alex jones
Fake Mexican 100% Pendejo.
That's the t-shirts.
So there you go.
What do you make of that, Ricky Berwick?
I interviewed Beto.
Pretty big interview, huh?
jordan holmes
Come on, hit the punchline.
unidentified
Did it smell?
alex jones
Not really.
It was worse than her.
I didn't get too close.
It was just a stupid gag.
jordan holmes
Yes, and...
alex jones
The media went crazy and said, Jones talks to poop.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Alex.
Alex.
That's when you yes and it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it smelled like Democrats or whatever.
alex jones
It smelled like Beto.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you just roll along with it, man.
How dare you?
dan friesen
The easiest response to that would just be like, yeah, it smelled but not as bad as Beto.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Something easy.
dan friesen
That serves your bit.
It extends your bit.
And then the idea is like...
jordan holmes
It doesn't punch it up, but at least it's there.
dan friesen
It's like, you know, at the end there he's saying like, oh, the media is all saying that I talk to Pooh.
You were.
jordan holmes
No, you did.
dan friesen
You were.
jordan holmes
You did.
dan friesen
Everyone knows that you were attempting a joke.
Everyone gets that.
Everyone gets that.
They're just laughing at how bad it is.
So, Alex, I appreciate that he's so incompetent when it comes to comedy, because it makes it a little more...
jordan holmes
Alex is like if Neil Hamburger had no idea what he was doing.
That's such the...
such the shit right there.
It's just...
Get it?
I'm hilarious, right?
dan friesen
Beto is poop.
jordan holmes
Beto is poop.
No, my jokes are so good, right?
unidentified
I think the media's just not getting the analogy I'm making.
jordan holmes
What if I...
dan friesen
They think that I'm crazy and I talk to poop.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no.
Here's what I'll do.
I'll yell at poop louder.
unidentified
That's it.
jordan holmes
That's my problem.
My problem is I'm always too subtle, Dan.
I gotta really go for it.
I gotta really sell this one.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You're Beto!
unidentified
Poop!
jordan holmes
Get it?
Done!
Beto O 'Poop!
He didn't even do that!
dan friesen
Printing money.
jordan holmes
Poop O 'Rourke!
You got it all over the place!
dan friesen
Right.
So, that brings us to the end of this episode.
I think that...
I mean, I say this every time we do a modern day episode.
I don't want to do this anymore.
jordan holmes
Dude, I don't want to live in the modern day.
dan friesen
It's so bad.
I mean, I just...
That's it.
jordan holmes
So bad.
dan friesen
So bad.
And this show is so bad.
Every single time I listen to it in the present, I'm freshly shocked by how bad this show is.
How little it needs to exist.
jordan holmes
What do you mean?
How else would we have found out about that piggy bank, Dan?
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
This show is vital and relevant.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
If you didn't have Alex Jones...
Like, just look at this show.
Where would we be?
dan friesen
Where would we be?
jordan holmes
He's tackling the real issues.
He's talking to this guy who smashes things with a hammer.
And that's great.
And the interview, he's such a good interviewer.
unidentified
There's nothing, Dan.
dan friesen
The show stinks.
jordan holmes
I got nothing to hang my hat on.
dan friesen
Much like that horse manure, the show stinks.
jordan holmes
I believe he said that it didn't stink too bad.
dan friesen
He's an unreliable narrator.
I do not necessarily trust that to be true.
It's bad.
It's terrible.
I think that his rhetoric as it relates to everything, but in particular, George Soros is the...
Just the definition of dangerous, super irresponsible, and the sort of thing that cannot, like, it's unforgivable, that sort of behavior.
There are people like, I mean, I've spent two years of my life dedicatedly studying Alex Jones.
Almost a year now, full-time, studying this guy that I hate.
And if someone put a bomb in his mailbox, I would be nothing but sympathetic to him.
I would think that was the worst thing ever.
I would come on this show and I would talk about how awful that is and how that is not the way that things are done.
That's not the way that we deal with these sorts of issues.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yet.
dan friesen
Well, you just invalidated.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I don't mean that.
I mean that in the sense of, like, there's still time.
There's still time for that not to be the way we solve issues like this.
Eventually, you get to World War II.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying that I want this to happen.
I'm not saying that it should happen.
I'm saying that there does come a point, though, where there's only one...
You're not going to negotiate a peace treaty with Germany running the world.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like we talked about at the top of this episode, the parallels to the rise of fascism are there, and they're strong, and they are only getting stronger.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So right now, the way that we deal with this...
Needs to be in the direct counter to ever allowing it to get that far.
And the way that you remember the urgency of it is you remember how historically quick it comes.
dan friesen
That's true.
That is true.
jordan holmes
That's what I think about.
I'm not thinking like, oh, we'll get there when we get there.
I'm thinking...
Now is the time we need to make sure we don't get there.
And if we're putting it off, if we're saying that it's, oh no, it's somewhere off in the distant future or something like that, you're not going to have that sense of urgency that this needs to be done in a good way now.
Because if nobody does anything about it, if we don't fight this, if we don't make sure that this is taken care of...
It will get there.
And that is not a negotiable thing.
That's not an exaggeration.
That is a statement of historical fact.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So we may never get there, but it's going to require work now.
dan friesen
And to quote George Soros, open societies and free societies require protection.
They don't generally exist without working for them.
jordan holmes
Without constant striving for them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I agree on that end.
But, I don't know.
All my point was that the person I hate the most in the world, and I think is one of the most cancerous, awful influences on people's lives, has led tons of people down disgusting rabbit holes, I would never treat him the way he treats his imaginary enemies.
And that's not me taking the high road.
That is just me saying, I can't imagine anyone who would act like that.
Or at least I would never want to be around them.
I don't know what I'm saying.
I just hate this guy.
jordan holmes
I hate this guy, too.
dan friesen
He's the worst.
Anyway...
jordan holmes
Don't bomb him!
dan friesen
No.
Do not.
jordan holmes
And that's coming from me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Mr. Bombs, Jordan Holmes.
jordan holmes
Jordan, Mr. Bombs Holmes.
dan friesen
That's what your middle initial stands for.
Yeah, that's what it is.
jordan holmes
Jordan Bomnea Holmes.
dan friesen
So, guys, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
You can find us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
We have a Facebook.
jordan holmes
We do have a Facebook.
There's a Facebook group.
We just hit 420 members.
Nice.
dan friesen
It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
You can check that out.
Join.
It'll be fun.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
iTunes.
dan friesen
Or don't join so we can stay at 420.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You can go to iTunes.
We just hit 420 downloads.
dan friesen
Sure.
420 episodes, perhaps.
Yeah, you can subscribe.
You can leave a review.
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
Do the whole thing.
You know the deal.
You've listened to a podcast before.
dan friesen
Sure.
This, you know, present sucks.
I don't want to do this again for a while.
I'd like to be in the past, so I probably will be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But this needed to be talked about, and now it's done.
So that's great.
And I would like to say, from the bottom of my heart, I mean this sincerely, whoever left that bomb at George Soros' house, I'm glad he didn't kill anybody.
But I know one guy who probably technically has, and that's Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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