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Oct. 10, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#214: Cruel Parallels

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss some curious thematic similarities between the broadcasts Alex Jones did during the Kavanaugh confirmation vote and during the 2016 election. While both were ostensibly about a major political event, each was really about celebrating cruelty and spouting closed-minded nonsense.

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alex jones
12:51
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dan friesen
47:10
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jordan holmes
26:21
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darrin mcbreen
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joe biggs
00:23
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pastor david manning
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rob dew
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
Dan?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
When was the last time you went outside?
dan friesen
Well, last time I went outside.
Earlier today, I went down to the store, tried to get some vape cartridges, got my card declined, had a great time.
Life is wonderful.
jordan holmes
It was a good day.
dan friesen
Yep.
You?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
unidentified
I don't even want to tell you.
dan friesen
Coming over here from work on the fucking train.
jordan holmes
Fucking everything sucks.
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
Going to work sucks.
Everything sucks.
dan friesen
But hopefully this won't.
Hey, everybody out there, hello.
Welcome back to the show.
This is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So, hey, sorry we didn't have an episode on Monday.
There were some technical issues, some personnel issues.
unidentified
Oh, is that what we would call them?
jordan holmes
We had an episode before Monday, but we recorded it on Saturday immediately.
Immediately following Brett Kavanaugh's sham existence and revealing that the Supreme Court is non-existent anymore as a check on any sort of executive power.
And we split a bottle of whiskey.
dan friesen
We may have gotten a little bit too fucked up.
jordan holmes
We had a great first...
45 minutes, I would say.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
But then, even beyond that, too, there were technical issues that I just was not keeping track of because of.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I was also dropping the ball as an engineer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But when I listened back to it, I thought about the possibility of, like, maybe we can put this out.
But there was something that wasn't quite right.
So on that episode, we covered Alex's live stream of Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing.
Not the hearing, I guess, the vote, as it were.
And there was something that just wasn't quite right.
There was an element that was missing.
And so today what we're going to be doing is going over what I believe is the element that was missing of that while covering the important points of Alex's live stream of Kavanaugh's vote.
As it were.
I know that's a little bit complicated, a little convoluted maybe to understand off the top.
I promise things will make sense as we go along and you will see what that je ne sais quoi was that was missing from our original.
But it's one of those things that on our show it's kind of difficult to cover immediate news.
Because of just the time constraints and the contextualization that needs to be done, the pulling pieces from others.
If we rush things sometimes, I think that we miss elements, and that's something I hope to correct here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's why we don't do a news show.
dan friesen
Right, right.
It's hard.
And we have nothing but respect for those that do.
jordan holmes
Do we?
dan friesen
I have nothing but respect for a couple of new donors.
unidentified
Hey!
jordan holmes
That's a great transition, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So today, Jordan, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of new people who have signed up with the team.
First of all, I'd like to say thank you so much, Stella.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Stella.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Stella.
And for anyone else who would like to...
See a groove return?
Please donate to the show.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's how you get your groove back.
Angela Bassett also supports the show.
unidentified
Does she?
dan friesen
Nope.
Morris Chestnut does.
jordan holmes
Morris Day and the Time do.
dan friesen
Forrest Whitaker does.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
No, he directed Waiting to Exhale.
jordan holmes
No, actually, it's the last king of Scotland who does.
He's less fun than Forrest Whitaker.
dan friesen
Also, I'd like to say thank you so much to Aaron.
Thank you.
We're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Aaron.
dan friesen
Also, one last person to give a shout-out to, someone who took their donation and bumped it up.
We appreciate it oh so very much.
Ian, you are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you, Ian.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Ian.
dan friesen
And thank you to everybody who supports the show.
If you're listening and you'd like to support the show, you can do so by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking that Support the Show button, and we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
And also, you know what?
If you can't support the show, find the nearest person with disposable income.
Don't even tell them about the show.
Just tell them to click the Support the Show button.
We don't need listeners.
Actually, we do.
unidentified
A lot.
jordan holmes
So tell people about the show.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of the above.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we appreciate it.
So, Jordan, today I'm going to walk you through this.
It's going to be confusing, probably.
It's going to be slightly non-linear, but it all makes sense when the bow is wrapped towards the end, I think, hopefully.
jordan holmes
We'll find out.
dan friesen
We'll see.
Anyway, here's an out-of-context drop from some of the stuff we're going to be going over today.
alex jones
In what world do you want what someone else has got unless it's a gorgeous broad?
dan friesen
Yeah, alright.
jordan holmes
See, now this is why we can't release our drunk episode, alright?
Listen to that shit.
You don't want a Monday episode from us that sounds like a whatever episode from him.
dan friesen
I'll tell you we did not sound like that.
And we weren't talking about, hey, isn't it cool to steal someone's very attractive broad?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't remember.
We could have been!
dan friesen
We were.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We were not.
jordan holmes
Good!
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today what we're going to be doing primarily is looking at some of the harsh parallels between the day that Alex Jones celebrated on air, on his live stream, the confirmation of Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, and some of his celebration from the 2016 election night.
I went back and I tried to find the entire video of Alex Jones on election night.
So he did a 52 hour live stream.
jordan holmes
Sure, great.
That's too long.
dan friesen
That's like 3 hours of Alex and 49 hours of his underlings filling in and being terrible.
But I couldn't find some of the really, really toxic stuff.
Because Alex's YouTube channel is gone.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that is an issue, isn't it?
dan friesen
So most of the videos that he had uploaded have all...
Wars coverage of election night ends right after Trump gives his victory speech.
But that's not when the show ended.
Right.
unidentified
The show kept going and everyone was celebrating.
dan friesen
And a lot of the stuff that I've discussed about the idea of them watching videos of Hillary supporters crying and stuff like that is from that.
So thankfully, I didn't have to rewatch that stuff necessarily.
That stuff towards the end of the night where...
It became clear what the game was.
But going back and listening to a lot of that election night stuff, I realized that's the missing piece of this.
Seeing the parallels between these two very major celebrations that Alex has had, I think give us the key that we need to unlock what he's really talking about in some circumstances.
jordan holmes
That's interesting that people who would keep those clips would end it at the election, like would end it at the announcement.
Right.
unidentified
Because that is like, we're ending it at the end of America, but they forgot to watch the beginning of a cruel, cruel, cruel replacement.
jordan holmes
It's far more important to see the world that we are going to become within 10 minutes of the world we were ending.
dan friesen
The only thing that remains is a video that you can find on Paul Joseph Watson's YouTube channel, because that one didn't get taken down.
I don't know why.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
dan friesen
Not sure.
But there is a video that he has about, like, oh, look at these crybaby Hillary fans.
And so there is a lot of video on there of...
You know, the same video that they were mocking in studio on election night with, like, wah sound effects of it interspersed with pictures of crying babies and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So you get the sense of it, and I rewatch that, and I'm like, oh, okay, this is bringing back some of that.
But it's not good for our purposes, because it's not the same audio of them in the studio.
It's just a Paul Joseph Watson report.
So we're going to start here with, from, this clip is from the Kavanaugh.
Confirmation stream where Alex sort of lays out my thesis for you.
alex jones
So Infowars listeners, split screen please.
They're almost done.
This is your victory, America.
It's just like election night 20 months ago.
The Democrats are crapping their drawers.
This is the first trigger.
The next is when we win in a landslide with a red wave in 30 days.
Unless their election fraud defeats us, we are going to win.
This is a political realignment against real tyranny.
dan friesen
So, he made the comparison for us.
This is like election night.
Now, one of the things that's really interesting in that clip is that he is making the preemptive excuse for the midterms that if their cheating works, then it'll stop our next phase of this great triggering or whatever he wants to call it.
Now, that's interesting.
Because I went back, and at the beginning of Alex's stream, he didn't think Trump was going to win.
Even on election day, he didn't think Trump was going to win.
Listen to this shit.
alex jones
But I look at how Christians in the West ended slavery, tried to end sexism, and tried to build everybody up, and the very people we tried to build up just role reversed with the Christians who tried to end all the tyranny.
And they reversed and said, you're the slave now.
You're the subhuman.
You're the reason there's problems.
You're the white male.
You're the Christian.
And we're just standing here going, I just wanted freedom.
They say, it's over.
I'll Hitler.
And blow you away.
As they destroy the West.
jordan holmes
Right out of the fucking gate, Dan!
alex jones
It's like a atomic spaceship.
jordan holmes
Right out of the fucking gate!
alex jones
On the planet.
That creates the science, the technology, the wealth, that cares about people, that wants to build.
No one else does.
It's all barbarism and be for yourself and it's all gone.
And I'm not going to prey on you, but I've got to pull back.
I've got to isolate myself and just let you kill yourself.
I've got to, okay, you want squalor and death?
I'm sorry the vampires will now have you.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
So you see there at the end, I'm sorry, the vampires are now going to have you, because he's preemptively, emotionally preparing the narrative to be, Clinton is going to win.
And at the beginning, I should have prepared you for that in some way.
jordan holmes
Nah, nah, Dan.
Nah, Dan.
Go ahead and email me that clip so I can play it during my fucking hanging of myself.
Christ.
If anybody fucking tells me that white Christian males are the ones who wanted to free us, I want to fucking kill myself.
dan friesen
They only wanted freedom for everybody.
jordan holmes
Is murder-suicide a crime?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not for me.
dan friesen
It's two of them.
They wanted freedom, and so they worked to help women be equal, and they got rid of slavery because they are so great.
jordan holmes
Christians!
Christians did it!
dan friesen
But then the people that they tried to uplift, which Alex is talking specifically about minorities and women that support Hillary Clinton, have turned around and are now trying to...
They flipped the script on the great Christian men who are a spaceship in society.
All the rest of the world is barbarism.
Only white Christian men are really the people who, you know, they want to go around and create society.
They want to build things.
This is nuts.
jordan holmes
There's no way to be like, well, actually, and then read a history book to that.
That is a man who, that's, life is meaningless.
Life is meaningless to him beyond being white Christian male.
And I, what do you, why?
Why are we bothering with these people?
dan friesen
Well, now you even see in that clip how important the victim-ness is to that identity that he has of the white Christian male.
He has to package it within the idea of, like, we tried to help you so much and now you've turned on us.
Why would you do that?
jordan holmes
You guys are the bad guys.
I really, really have changed, Dan.
From the beginning of this podcast to now.
dan friesen
You mean the last five minutes?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
From where we were.
This is what I'm saying.
I'm not saying why are we bothering with these people.
I'm saying why are we reading, oh, here's what Trump people think.
You know what Trump people think.
Being white is great.
Every profile of a Trump voter should just be like, hey, you know how great being white is?
These people think it is.
dan friesen
So Alex isn't making a lot of sense there.
Pretty dumb.
About white Christian males and what have you.
But...
He goes on to say a few more things.
This is still from his live stream on the election day, and he has some more really stupid things to say within the context, again, of him believing that Trump isn't going to win.
alex jones
I'm sorry the vampires will now have you.
I'm sorry.
It's what you wanted.
I'm sorry you won't get tax cuts, you won't get prosperity, but you'll get CNN and NPR telling you how you're in charge, and you'll drive around in your car in a fantasy.
That you're in charge until you're about 40 as a woman, and then they'll try to find a man, and men won't want to be with you because they're scared that they were never made to be men.
They don't want a commitment.
Plus, you don't want one either, so you'll just be all alone.
It won't matter.
Then you'll become old and worship the state, and your body will be put into liquid acid and dissolved for fertilizer to grow the elite crops.
And you never existed.
Your entire genetic line, all your ancestors will die with you.
But you weren't the villain.
You were just the species of women being killed.
So, this grave marker for your death and the Xeno side of the planet will be your victory as you die full of morphine, worshipping Satan.
And so, it's kind of true perception is reality for the slave.
That you never existed.
And you took the Renaissance, and you threw it away, and you attacked your own species, and you joined with the corporate state and the lies.
You worship Al-Qaeda, you worship ISIS, you worship burqas, you worship anything destructive of the West.
Because the West is such a beautiful goddess, you were ashamed of yourself, beholding.
dan friesen
Okay.
That's a little silly.
jordan holmes
Does he know what xenocide means?
I got distracted by all of that.
Look.
Whatever he said.
Whiteness is great.
Sure, sure, sure.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
That's more maleness.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
You have fun.
dan friesen
That's more like, hey, you women are stupid.
You should be breeding young.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You should be prioritizing getting with a good Western man.
jordan holmes
Oh, because when you're 40, they're not going to want to be with you.
That makes sense.
dan friesen
No, and then you'll be so haggard and all the men who will be around who will be available for you cucks anyway.
So then you'll get into serving the state and then they'll dip you in acid.
jordan holmes
And that's when the Muslims...
Let's take over the West.
dan friesen
Done.
jordan holmes
But, like, for real, does he know what xenocide means?
dan friesen
I'm not sure I do.
jordan holmes
Look, I mean, it literally means the genocide of aliens.
It does?
Xenocide.
dan friesen
Oh, xenomorph?
That makes sense.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So even while he's saying, like, the xenocide of Earth, that either suggests that we're working with aliens to get rid of humans, or...
We're fighting against aliens, or maybe all people who aren't white people are aliens.
All non-white people are aliens.
dan friesen
I think he believes the globalists are working with aliens for sure, and he sees himself as fighting against aliens, so that word might actually be appropriate in the goofiest way.
jordan holmes
I think white males maybe are aliens.
Like, maybe we're not from here.
Maybe we're not even supposed to be here.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Maybe we're not.
Let's get a summer home.
Let's all get a summer home.
dan friesen
Put on Venus?
jordan holmes
No, we can't live on Venus.
dan friesen
Mars?
jordan holmes
Can't live on Mars.
Where else you got?
I think that's a great place for white males to be.
dan friesen
Inside the moon?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Hollow it out.
Hollow it out, put them all in there, keep them safe and warm.
dan friesen
Okay, that's one possibility.
jordan holmes
Put a little glass cage over it so we can go and visit every now and again and be like, hey, look at you guys, how you doing down there?
Oh, how's your renaissance going?
You guys are doing great!
You're so cute!
dan friesen
I think another possibility it wouldn't involve space colonies.
jordan holmes
I want a space colony, Dan!
dan friesen
It might just involve empathy and people growing up a little bit.
jordan holmes
Right, and when they learn that...
dan friesen
But the odds of that seem lower.
jordan holmes
When they learn that, they can come back!
dan friesen
All right, all right.
Fair enough.
As long as there's an escape clause to the space colony you're creating.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh no, absolutely.
It's a rehabilitation colony.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
You know how when you have a certain group of people that you need to take to a place...
Where they're separated from...
It's like a...
Oh, no.
Now I know what it is.
Never mind.
dan friesen
It sounds like you're drifting so far left, you're ending up in another fashion.
jordan holmes
Now I'm getting what that kind of sounds like, and I don't think it's a good thing.
I mean, it's not all bad.
It's not all bad.
It's not a good thing.
dan friesen
All right.
All right.
jordan holmes
There are degrees, Dan.
dan friesen
So it's interesting here to hear that on the election day in 2016, Alex was pretty, you know, emotionally prepared for Trump to lose.
And in preparation for that, he's doing all this like, oh, you idiots, you've destroyed the West because you women are harpies and...
Oh, you blacks, us white Christians, rose out of slavery.
Oh, you've turned on us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we saved you!
dan friesen
You've turned on us.
jordan holmes
How do you not realize that we ended slavery?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Come on!
dan friesen
Right, yeah.
jordan holmes
Give us credit for that, at least!
dan friesen
So, Alex is in that place, and it's super weird that as the day goes on and it becomes more clear that Trump is going to win, he changes over the course of it a little bit.
But...
Something that I find supremely interesting is that there are a couple of direct parallels, linguistically and stylistically, between the Kavanaugh confirmation stream and the election 2016 stream.
Here's the first of them.
This is from the Kavanaugh hearing.
alex jones
This will be a day long remembered.
We've seen the end.
unidentified
Hillary Clinton will soon see the end of George Soros.
dan friesen
I apologize.
That was from 2016, the election day.
This is from the Kavanaugh.
alex jones
This will be a day long remembered.
We've seen the end of Hillary.
We'll soon see the end of Soros.
jordan holmes
You need a writer, dude.
alex jones
You can hear a pin drop.
We've paid a lot for this, though, folks.
And it isn't perfect, but at least they won't take the guns and...
Force our kids to change their sexual gender.
That's their mission.
Total human domination of biological operations.
dan friesen
So the only difference is it gets a little bit more specific.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's right.
The Kochs have probably paid at least $1.2 billion on this, so it was pretty expensive.
dan friesen
Right, but I don't think that they're fighting back against Soros wanting to make your kids trans or something like that.
jordan holmes
We don't know.
When was the last time the Koch brothers gave an interview?
dan friesen
That's a good question.
I don't know.
It's been a long time, I think.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
dan friesen
I don't know what they're imagining they're fighting back against, but I'm talking about what more of the real world thing they're fighting back against is women's rights, climate change, unions, those sorts of things.
jordan holmes
Hey, you know, you really got to fight back against climate change.
I mean, you got to fight back against doing anything about climate change.
You got to make sure that, like, I don't know.
A decade from now, only you and your rich pals will have sources of fresh water.
I think that's a smart idea.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because it's going to happen anyways.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, you might as well consolidate your water now.
dan friesen
All that is is a preemptive economic maneuver.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, no, it's a great idea.
dan friesen
Very smart.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, that is super interesting to me that we hear, in both cases, him doing his Vader voice, and he's saying the exact same thing.
We've seen the end of Clinton, we'll soon see the end of George Soros.
That's wild.
That alone is kind of like, huh.
Because I don't hear him say that a lot.
He does the Vader voice a lot, or the Emperor Palpatine.
You have done well, Lord Vader.
He does that a lot, but I don't hear him say those specific words that often.
It's interesting that...
jordan holmes
Wait, isn't that supposed to be Churchill?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
I think that's Star Wars.
That's Star Wars shit, man.
jordan holmes
No, today is a day that will be long remembered.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe it is, but it's way too close to his Palpatine for me to think it's...
jordan holmes
Well, some of the times...
dan friesen
I've also heard his Churchill, and that's not close to his Churchill.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
Sorry, they all just kind of blend together.
dan friesen
He does mix metaphors and characters, so, I mean, who knows.
So that's one linguistic similarity.
And then here's another one that he uses that's very, very specific.
alex jones
I want to salute you all.
I drug my ass up 25 years ago as a high school graduate.
They were trying to ban guns in Texas, semi-autos, and I decided I'd kick their ass, because I looked at my enemy, and they were bug-eyed pussies.
unidentified
That's a fun mental image.
alex jones
Because big jackass crews of wimps get together and they think they can piss on people.
dan friesen
What he seems to be offended by...
jordan holmes
Are you sure it's not the bug-eyed pussies who want to pee on people?
That makes more sense.
dan friesen
Big old groups of crooks.
jordan holmes
You get the urethra right in the bug-eyed nose, that's where you go.
dan friesen
It's possible.
But he uses that, what he seems to be so offended by or put off by is the idea that these groups go around and they want to piss all over everybody.
So that was from the 2016 election stream.
Here is him on the Kavanaugh vote day.
alex jones
The Democrats remember the last hundred years when America was asleep.
And they just keep thinking, God, we had them dominated.
We were beating the hell out of them.
We were asleep.
We weren't awake.
You weren't intimidating us.
Now that we're awake and you're, like, slapping us and pissing on our face and trying to destroy our families, all you've got us doing is 24 hours a day thinking about how we get, politically, our arms around your neck.
dan friesen
So he's, again, constantly obsessed with the idea that people are peeing on him.
He seems to think that is the way he expresses...
People doing him wrong.
They pee on him.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, yeah, but that's a taboo that I'm sure he can enjoy.
You know, that's how a lot of people get out some of the things that they're afraid of, you know?
You turn it into a sexual pleasure thing.
dan friesen
I've seen documentaries.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I get it.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Is that the theory you're going with?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going to go with Alex Jones likes to get peed on.
And that's why he's so unhappy with...
This is not a kink-shaming podcast, Chris.
Exactly!
I'm just saying that I don't think we should be cruel or mean.
I think you should very joyfully, if you see Alex Jones in the street, ask him politely if he would like you to pee on him.
dan friesen
I think that that's probably a good resolution.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good idea!
dan friesen
I think all of our New Year's resolutions should be offered to pee on Alex.
jordan holmes
If Alex Jones is anywhere new, you just be like, hey man, I know what's up.
Do you want me to pee on you?
We're having a good night.
unidentified
Maybe?
dan friesen
Everybody's having fun here.
Yeah, you want me to pee on you?
Yeah, let me just pee on you a little bit.
jordan holmes
With your consent, of course.
dan friesen
Of course.
So that aside, one of the interesting things, I think, is to look at stakes and look at what Alex is presenting to the world as what is going to happen in various...
So here is a clip from the 2016 election day where he's talking about...
So you know how, if you recall that day, it appeared that Trump was going to win and Hillary didn't immediately concede.
A little bit later in the night, she called Trump and conceded and Trump gave his speech.
jordan holmes
Ugh, gross.
dan friesen
She didn't give a speech until the morning.
But Alex, in the intervening period, is convinced that she's not going to concede and it's war.
So, he comes up with this theory that Trump needs to immediately come out and give a speech declaring himself the winner because possession is nine-tenths of the law, which he says twice, which doesn't make any sense.
But he has this idea that if he can get Trump to give this speech announcing that he's won, Hillary can't undo that.
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's in the law.
Don't you remember that?
Sure.
It's the law of dibs.
I believe that's the dibs law.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Not at all something that an unelected ruler might do as a trick.
jordan holmes
Hey, and frankly, I'm sure there's...
dan friesen
As a power grab ploy.
jordan holmes
I'm sure there's a case right now being litigated in the lower courts that's gonna make it all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Kavanaugh is gonna be the deciding vote on...
Dibs are real, and as long as you say you're president, you're president.
dan friesen
Seatback is going to be, like, that's going to be in the Constitution.
jordan holmes
Dude, no backsies?
That is going to be a crime.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Backsies is totally going to be a crime.
dan friesen
So it's kind of weird and very stupid, and Alex keeps trying to get Roger Stone to call Steve Bannon and tell him to give the speech already.
Like, that sort of thing.
It's very weird.
But here is Alex expressing some of his fears about what could happen if Trump doesn't declare himself the winner.
alex jones
I don't mean to interrupt you, but CNN's reporting continue.
Clinton will not speak tonight.
This is officially from a Democratic operative, Axelrod, on the Clinton News Network.
So, the Clinton News Network has said they will not concede Trump must now immediately come out and say he is the winner or she will have Obama launch a nuclear war tomorrow.
And by the way, I've got a bad feeling.
I'm not saying that for effect.
People know I don't play games, okay?
There's one thing.
I don't play games.
People better get that through their heads.
dan friesen
He only plays games.
But you have there, if he doesn't give his speech, she is going to have Obama go nuke somebody in order to make sure that he doesn't become president, I guess, or something along those lines.
jordan holmes
Who's he going to nuke?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's unclear.
I think at another point he says that she's going to nuke Russia, probably.
But who cares?
jordan holmes
Eh.
dan friesen
So, now, if you were to nuke somebody, that would be...
A lot of deaths, certainly.
It'd be a ton.
jordan holmes
That's a great song title, though.
dan friesen
What?
If you're going to nuke somebody, that's going to be a lot of deaths?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Especially with the uh in there.
jordan holmes
No, but we make it like a slow jam.
We make it like a dire straight song.
You know what I'm saying?
We spread it out.
There's some nice guitar licks in there.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
Like the Sultans of Swing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You get it going.
dan friesen
Sure.
I'm into it.
Let's do that.
End this podcast and write that song.
jordan holmes
Let's record it.
Let's write that song.
dan friesen
So that would cause a lot of deaths, undoubtedly.
It would be a bunch.
It would be a whole bunch.
That's his real negative view of what the globalists are going to do.
So that makes it really weird to hear Alex say something like this on the day that Kavanaugh gets into the Supreme Court, describing his best-case scenario of what is going to happen now that the patriots are in charge of everything.
alex jones
So there is a path.
If we take it, because God gives us free will, that has limited problems.
Still some big wars, billions dead, but limited.
Believe me, compared to the other futures.
Space-time continuum.
jordan holmes
Which I have seen.
alex jones
Swimming.
jordan holmes
Because again, I am a psychic and I have said that multiple times.
alex jones
There is a vision towards a real victory and a future.
And it's limited, but it's like...
Taking a rifle and not thinking about it and shooting bullseye 200 yards, open sight.
She's like, you didn't think about it?
Pow, pow, pow!
You shot three rounds in a bullseye.
Try it again for a year, you can't do it.
You've got to just decide you want it spiritually.
You'll have it.
Or there's other paths.
And I want to demoralize the enemy by telling them the truth right now, giving them a big secret, which they don't have next-level vision.
and that's why they're so pissed at me and others.
unidentified
In about 95% of...
alex jones
Possible futures, we win.
Now, there's the horror of realizing how many people get lost in the way to that, and if they do succeed, what it would be like.
dan friesen
So, his nightmare scenario on election night is Hillary's going to nuke someone to make sure Trump doesn't become president.
That would be less deaths than multiple billions of people dying, which he's then describing in more present day as being The best case scenario for his movement surviving and winning.
unidentified
That's what a fascist thinks.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what a fascist thinks.
dan friesen
It's going to be a lot of death.
jordan holmes
Listen, we're going to win.
dan friesen
95% chance of all futures.
jordan holmes
Look, the best way for you to do that, the way that...
You know, results in the least violence is if you just let us win now.
Otherwise, we're going to have to do some of those other 95% futures, wherein, I'm just saying, if you're dissenting, I mean, we're going to win, and maybe if you're in the way, you know, I mean, a few billion people are going to die, but we're going to win!
dan friesen
Boy, it's like that, isn't it?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's really like that.
jordan holmes
It's like...
If we are to win, it is going to require us, the team who is going to win, to inflict harm.
dan friesen
At least two billion people dying.
What is that?
About a third of the world's population's got to die?
jordan holmes
Right around there.
dan friesen
In his best case scenario?
That's incredibly fucked up.
And he doesn't believe in climate change.
So he doesn't believe it.
Like, that could be an ostensible argument or something he's trying to talk about, but he doesn't believe that shit.
So he thinks that there's going to be two billion people dead just from, like, we're going to have to kill all the Muslims.
That's probably what he thinks.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Well, they're going to get in the way of our side winning.
dan friesen
I have very little doubt that that's at least a large piece of what he's imagining the best case scenario is that he's describing there, which I think is...
Profoundly scarier than his very baseless idea that Hillary Clinton was going to have Barack Obama nuke somebody.
jordan holmes
Does he have, like, a vision for after the billions of people die?
Like, his vision, so far his state of, like...
dan friesen
Libertarian utopia of some sort where everyone has guns, everyone has their own money.
jordan holmes
Slave.
dan friesen
Well, that too.
Yeah, I mean, sure.
Slavery is just sort of like, it's just an economic agreement that anyone could enter into if they want.
Who knows?
Duress isn't a real thing.
jordan holmes
You've got a choice.
God gave us free will.
dan friesen
Everybody would have their own competing currencies that you'd have to spend almost your entire time trying to figure out how to transfer among each other.
You couldn't usually, I mean, if you're in like, let's say, Illinois, you couldn't use Missouri dollars in Illinois.
Or if you do, they'd probably be worth less than they are in Missouri.
So, I mean, that would be a fun utopia to live in.
jordan holmes
I bet Missouri dollars would be worth less in Illinois than Illinois dollars would be in Missouri.
dan friesen
Depends on the part of Illinois.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying is I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that Missouri's economy is not going to be backed up by the Fed or the Missouri Fed.
Or the Missouri State?
dan friesen
It's interesting you brought that into it, because that will also be a part of it.
There will be rogue banks.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
And rogue courts, where if you have a dispute with someone, you have your favorite court that you go and appeal your case in front of.
They probably have their own court.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's the same thing as it is now.
dan friesen
It's a little more central.
It's a little bit...
jordan holmes
It's slightly...
dan friesen
On paper, it's better.
jordan holmes
Hey, you know, the justice system is a check.
dan friesen
If we end up in, like, some sort of libertarian fantasy world where there's a bunch of competing currencies that screw up all sorts of transactions, everybody's hostily antagonistic towards each other, you know, if we end up in that sort of thing, if only a couple billion people have to die to get us there, hooray.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
It sounds like...
The worst fight ever.
jordan holmes
I mean, a lot of people are going to die in the Visa versus MasterCard wars in order to figure out who becomes the dominant credit card holder.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
I mean, why wouldn't a credit agency get an army?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I'm a little shocked Visa doesn't already have a bit of an army tucked away somewhere.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, like, that's all incredibly insane.
The idea that his, like...
Good scenario involves that much death.
That leads me to believe.
I think you probably got it perfect.
That's almost a threat.
jordan holmes
It is exactly a threat.
dan friesen
It feels a lot like a threat.
jordan holmes
It's exactly a threat.
dan friesen
So, now we get to another, like, real direct similarity between the Kavanaugh swearing in vote day and the 2016 election day.
There's something that Alex brings up about the people who are against his side that is very...
Very similar.
Here is him talking about the stuff on the Kavanaugh vote day.
This isn't great.
alex jones
So, about an hour to go tonight, Brett Kavanaugh was confirmed and defense of free speech, defense of due process, defense of statute of limitations is in place.
We have seen a collection of Democratic Party operatives.
Try to block the nomination of a good man to the Supreme Court.
But really here is a referendum on the intimidation and the bullying of the left.
That's what's exciting.
You've got all these, admittedly, George Soros and Democratic Party and Chinese government funded.
That's even in mainstream news.
Groups where they kill gays and enslave women and forcibly abort little girls and kill little baby girls.
You've got these women out here on a high horse that believing they're fighting the evil that is men.
Their father, their brother, their son.
It's insane.
We're all one species.
Some women are good, some women are bad.
Some men are good, some men are bad.
dan friesen
So, he invalidates criticism by sort of implying, first of all, that everybody's on all these payrolls, which is all great.
That's just sort of standard stuff.
But the thing that's really specific there is the idea that these women are just mad at their dads.
That idea is so insulting, so offensive.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of him immediately invalidating what he's saying in the middle of it.
Like, why are these women angry?
Yeah, because you just said with absolute disdain!
You just said just these women as though you're like...
Why are these...
I mean, I have to call them people, I suppose.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
If I must.
Why are these subspecies?
I mean, we're all the same species.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
And there's good women and bad women.
You know, the good women are the ones who do whatever I tell them to do.
dan friesen
And the bad women are the one I yell, lock her up at.
jordan holmes
It's crazy!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why don't these women like us?
They must be mad at their dads.
Like, can't...
Possibly be, I'm an asshole.
dan friesen
That kind of rhetoric that he's putting out, it's like, I think anybody hearing that sort of shit, it's like, hey, I have a valid complaint.
You're just mad at your dad.
Now I have two valid complaints.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's like, I don't get it.
So in that clip, he's expressing that these women are just mad at their dads, which is offensive and in a horrible position to take.
But it's interesting because around the time of the election, there were also some women who were pretty mad.
And he had these things to say about the Democrats.
And then...
Mic down, because you will not believe how this clip ends.
alex jones
And the Democrats are running around, thumbing at the mouth, as they always do.
unidentified
That's their culture.
alex jones
Most of them don't have parents.
I feel sorry for them.
They think the state's their mommy.
unidentified
Like a little baby duck that thinks an 18-wheeler is his daddy.
alex jones
They've self-identified with it as it runs them over on I-35.
They've imprinted.
On a fiery furnace.
Donald Trump elected president.
Even AP's saying it.
But at 1.36 Central, 2.36 Eastern.
We're not hearing it.
They'll probably announce that Russians nuke New York and Hillary wasn't there and Donald was and that's the end of it.
All I know is we're going to continue on and we're going to fight the new world order.
Because we believe in prosperity and we don't want to rape you and your family.
And that's why we have free shipping running for the next few days.
unidentified
God damn it!
alex jones
A bunch of big discounts, 30 to 40% off.
jordan holmes
That's why we have free shipping!
That's why!
That's why we have free shipping!
We have free shipping because we don't want to rape your kids!
You know Sephora charges for shipping?
dan friesen
Oh my God.
jordan holmes
That's why they charge for shipping.
Anybody who charges for shipping?
Rapists!
dan friesen
That was so wild to me.
Hearing that, I was like, whoa.
No ad pivot can ever touch that.
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
We don't want to rape your kids.
That's why we have free shipping.
dan friesen
It's the that's why.
It's the that's why.
jordan holmes
That's why.
Specifically.
There's only one reason.
Maybe there's another reason.
dan friesen
The use of those words in that hinge, that pivot hinge, is so crazy.
Because you could disconnect the thoughts and have the same effect.
You could be like, we're going to keep fighting because we know that they want to rape your family and we're not into that.
By the way.
jordan holmes
By the way would have been nice.
dan friesen
Completely unrelated.
We have free shipping.
jordan holmes
I even would have gone with just an also.
An also would have been fantastic, too.
That's why.
dan friesen
By the by, we have free shipping going on right now.
Tantamount of nothing, we have free shipping.
jordan holmes
Any whoozle.
We got free shipping.
dan friesen
That's why.
jordan holmes
That's why.
Gross.
We believe in prosperity and not raping children.
That's why it's 20% off!
dan friesen
On our weird supplements.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So, in there, you hear that, like, you know, these Democrats who are protesting against Trump, they just don't have dads.
They don't have parents, and it's so sad, they're like ducks.
Alright, man.
It's a good way to sort of...
Empathy dehumanize your opponents or people who believe other things than you.
jordan holmes
It's a good way for me to no longer have empathy for him.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It really takes the empathy out of you when somebody's just like, the only reason you're mad is because you don't have parents.
Definitely not because we're going to steal your rights.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So here is another...
A couple of clips where Alex is saying almost identical things during the Kavanaugh stream and the election stream.
This one here is from the Kavanaugh stream.
alex jones
Those of us that know real power know that we could rule the planet if we only submitted to the Lucifer.
We don't do that.
We build a challenging system to that countervailing system to God.
dan friesen
So he could have more power if he was down with Satan.
Now here's what he said on the election stream.
alex jones
I can't bring myself to feet on the public.
If I did, I'd be 20 times more powerful.
I mean, being a good guy, we're changing the world and are contenders with the globalists.
But if I didn't give a damn and just screwed everybody and played into all their BS, I'd be running the show.
No doubt.
Running the show.
But I don't do that.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, yeah, I mean, it's just sort of like a preoccupation that he has.
You can see very clearly that the idea of, like, I'm good.
I must be good because I'd be more successful if I was bad.
jordan holmes
Which suggests all of my success is because I am good.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
As opposed to, I have done bad things along the way.
dan friesen
It necessitates that all you have is in spite of you being good.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You are so good that you are still successful even though being evil would be more successful.
jordan holmes
Which is ironic considering that a multi-level marketing scheme is literally feeding on people.
dan friesen
Oh, absolutely.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a literal one-to-one thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Or getting people tricked on auto-ship or something like that.
All of this shit.
Or trying to convince people that they need your iodine in order to be healthy.
Like, just trying to convince people that they're somehow deficient because of what the, quote, globalists have done to them.
That's feeding off them.
Putting these ideas into their head in order for you to monetize their response to those ideas is the definition of feeding off people.
That's all he does.
It's just like earlier when he said he doesn't play games.
He plays so many games.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He's a gamesman.
jordan holmes
He's a parasite.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He is a fucking parasite sucking the life out of the rest of us.
dan friesen
There's something to that.
So, I mentioned that I wasn't able to find the full videos of the display of cruelty that goes on at the end of the 2016 election stream, which I'm happy for.
I'm glad that...
You know, to not necessarily watch that all over again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not in the mood.
dan friesen
But I will say that there's a couple of very stark parallels that relate to that in terms of my firm conviction is that Alex Jones on election night made, and all of his staff, everyone involved, They went out of their way in order to victimize the people on the other side.
The people who were crying showed videos of them, laughed at them, just made sport out of the idea of like, ha ha, look at these losers.
Aren't we great?
We're not them.
They're losers.
And in order to do that, they have to sort of build up this idea that those, you know, I don't know, 20-year-old, 22-year-old girls, women who were crying, were somehow oppressing them.
But be that as it may.
That was the demonstration on election night.
It was what the show was largely about, outside of Alex getting a little bit weird and saying a bunch of stupid bullshit.
The visual that remains, as evidenced by the next day, Paul Joseph Watson putting out that compilation of people crying and him putting wah sound effects under it, what they wanted to drive home is like, look at these stupid losers crying because we beat them.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
When the Kavanaugh stream happened, Alex was trying desperately to recreate that.
So he kept going out to Millie Weaver on the street, trying to get video of her finding people crying, and it was unsuccessful.
So he kept trying to make it happen.
The only way he was able to successfully get that feeling back at all was by having Darren McBreen come into the studio, one of his employees, video producer Darren McBreen.
So the two of them...
Could get super cruel about the idea that Kavanaugh going on to the Supreme Court was going to cause liberals to cry.
alex jones
Hey, I saw you're up here.
I didn't know you were going to be up here.
What do you think of all this?
Come here.
I mean, sirs, I could sit here and pontificate all day, but are we not breaking these assholes' will that wanted to break our will?
All the shit they've done to us, and finally we're winning.
darrin mcbreen
What's better than the confirmation is going to be the aftermath.
unidentified
Just all the butt hurt and seeing the crying and the total liberal meltdown.
I'm going to just bask in the liberal tears.
dan friesen
So wouldn't you know that on the stream of the election night 2016, here's Darren McBreen.
jordan holmes
We get to see the triggering now.
I mean, they're going to have videos.
unidentified
Victory!
alex jones
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
unidentified
I think Saturday Night Live is going to move from New York to Ottawa or something, right?
Alec Baldwin will see you later.
You take your two-bed acting up there.
dan friesen
So there's a young lady who is no longer with the company trying to get a word in edgewise while Joe Biggs, Darren McBreen, and David Knight make some goofs because Alex had to take a break and so they went to that in the stream.
jordan holmes
She was even trying to say something awful and they wouldn't let her speak.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
Yep.
Wonder where she is now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably saying something awful to somebody else.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, interesting.
Darren McBreen's coming in with the exact same energy on both of these streams.
Wild.
Almost like that's kind of what it's about.
jordan holmes
You know, if these guys were soldiers and they had that attitude...
They would commit war crimes.
unidentified
Oh, big time.
jordan holmes
That's the attitude of somebody who is a fucking rapist.
dan friesen
But what if they're soldiers in the information war?
Would they commit war crimes in that space?
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
I'm 100% sure they would.
As long as it triggers the libs.
As long as we get to see them cry.
unidentified
Why do you want that?
dan friesen
Because it's funny.
Because it's fucking funny.
unidentified
Is it?
dan friesen
To them, yeah.
jordan holmes
You can't feel like it's fun to watch another human being experience pain, right?
I mean, that's profoundly fucked up.
dan friesen
It is.
It is pretty fucked up.
But it is what they're all about.
Here, from election 2016 stream, here's Joe Biggs.
joe biggs
Let's look at the trending things on Twitter right now.
unidentified
United States of Anxiety.
jordan holmes
America is over, party.
unidentified
Come on, really?
joe biggs
America has now been vindicated.
The American people have now been heard.
unidentified
We have taken over everything using social media.
We have completely transformed the narrative.
joe biggs
We were told for so many years, you know, that what to do, what to think.
dan friesen
What were you told to think?
What were you told to do?
Respect people?
What were you told to do?
What was the oppression?
jordan holmes
I can't do whatever I want anymore.
dan friesen
You took it back.
jordan holmes
I have to think about what somebody else thinks.
And if I start doing that, then I have to wrestle with the fact that I make other people feel bad.
And if I make other people feel bad...
Doesn't that suggest that maybe I'm the one who's doing something wrong?
No, I can't allow myself to think that for even a second.
What they're doing is they're faking feeling bad in order to make me feel bad.
They're victimizing me with their feelings.
dan friesen
It's even worse.
Soros is paying them to act like they feel bad.
jordan holmes
See, now I know who the real enemy is.
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
It's definitely not that I'm a fucking...
I don't...
Monster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, a literal monster.
dan friesen
So Joe Biggs is mocking the idea that people are tweeting about anxiety, which I imagine, as we've discussed ad nauseum, there's a lot of people who obviously felt like, uh-oh.
On election night in terms of their safety and their continued right to exist.
jordan holmes
And in two years, all of their anxiety has been vindicated.
Or vindicated.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so here is Joe Biggs being even worse.
joe biggs
Drudge is already calling it for Trump, and also I just tweeted out pictures from inside Hillary Clinton's celebration area, and it's nothing but people filled with tears.
unidentified
And she literally hit the glass ceiling of the Javits Center.
jordan holmes
It's all the campaign workers crying.
unidentified
Awesome.
jordan holmes
Just so sad.
unidentified
It's called schadenfreude.
dan friesen
Is it?
So that is a small version of what I've been talking about.
The actual...
The thing that I remember is not just Joe Biggs, David Knight, and Darren McBreen sitting around laughing at pictures of these people crying.
It went viral in the studio later.
But that's exactly what was going on.
You see that, and that's a dark picture.
That's a dark picture of a news operation.
jordan holmes
He just said she was hitting the literal glass ceiling.
dan friesen
He did say that.
jordan holmes
So that means that he knows that the glass ceiling does exist, and he enjoys and appreciates that it does.
dan friesen
But I think he said, of the Java Center, or something like that, whatever the building she was in.
So he was using it as sort of a nice turn of phrase to be a dick.
But yeah, yeah, I mean, that's pretty awful.
So, later in the night, the part that I can't find the video of, because Alex's YouTube channel is gone, they sit around and watch the footage of people at Hillary rallies crying and make fun of it.
Bunch of white dudes and whoever that lady is, and Leanne McAdoo sitting around.
I wrongly have said that Jakari Jackson was there.
He'd quit by this point.
I'd forgotten that.
I think it's all white people.
I don't see a single non-white face, except I believe Dinesh D'Souza shows up.
Of course.
Why not?
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't he?
dan friesen
So, when it came time for the Kavanaugh stream, Alex, like I said, was going out to Millie Weaver trying to get her to have footage of people crying.
Trying to get protesters that they can do this exact same thing with.
Talk about, ha ha, look at all you stupid triggered liberals.
Ha ha ha.
But, it didn't happen.
There weren't people crying.
There were people out chanting.
There were people with their fists raised in the air and what have you.
That's what Millie Weaver was capturing as video.
And Alex wasn't getting what he wanted out of it during the Kavanaugh stream.
So what he did is this.
alex jones
I want to see some of those videos.
Can we pull up on YouTube a reaction to Trump's inauguration or election night?
You know, the trailer for...
Get Me Roger Stone is really good.
It shows the left it's on election night.
And there's another video we did called This Is Why the Left Hates Info Wars.
And then we show them panicking.
dan friesen
So, because he couldn't get what he needed during the Kavanaugh stream that he was putting on, but that was the presentation he wanted, he needed to hearken back to the original night where he was super cruel in order to feel it again.
So...
That's gross.
jordan holmes
I don't want to win, Dan.
Winning is boring.
I want to feel them crushed under my boot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to feel them.
I want them to...
It's almost like I want them to know what it is I'm about to do to them before I can do it.
dan friesen
Almost.
jordan holmes
I want them to feel the pain of what's going to occur to them, because that's the only way I can get off.
dan friesen
It does seem that way.
And also, considering that Alex's stream during the Kavanaugh vote and afterwards, there's no content to it.
There's not really any conversation about, like, what this means for the court or anything like that outside of, like, ha-ha, we won.
And Alex drawing a lighthouse on a piece of paper and trying to shoot his own camera with the cork of a champagne bottle twice.
That's about all that goes on, except for him desperately trying to get this footage from Millie or wherever he can get it from.
He tries to get it from...
Let's go back to election night.
They do this.
alex jones
All right, we're going to go to a feed here.
I'm going to come out with a final statement.
jordan holmes
Did you guys play my video?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
All right, good, good, good.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We played your video.
alex jones
It got roaring laughs out in the crowd.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
We played it again.
jordan holmes
Are we going to Jones' video now?
A prediction?
A prediction?
rob dew
We do have a five-minute video of protesters crying for Millie Weaver on Computer 12. That just happened?
jordan holmes
It just happened.
They shot it about five minutes ago.
So let's go to that.
dan friesen
So, they believe that they have a five-minute video that Millie has shot of protesters crying, which they don't have.
They end up playing a video where it's Millie Weaver wandering around a protest and just seeing a bunch of people locked arms, a bunch of people chanting, a bunch of people with signs.
No one's crying.
No one is doing what they need them to do in order to...
Exercise this cruel spirit that lives within them.
So, they don't really get what they want, but they pretend it's there anyway.
jordan holmes
Your defiance isn't making this fun for us!
Stop it!
dan friesen
Stop!
There is a little bit of that in there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's...
You can see, and Alex ends up ending his stream, the Kavanaugh one.
He gives a really long, meandering toast about how this champagne is 1776.
Then he goes off air, realizes that he didn't do a good enough job, and he needs to be a little angrier, so he does another toast, and then slams down the glass of champagne on the table, breaking the glass, and stares into the camera like a madman.
After he breaks the glass.
So there is that feeling of he's not getting what he needs out of this and it's not good to him.
So he has to keep going.
That's why he does like two hours in that Kavanaugh stream because he's not getting what he needs out of it, which is this visual that he got on election night of people crying.
People victimized by his quote-unquote success.
That is what he needs.
He needs women's tears.
He needs minorities feeling scared.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or else, what's the point of this operation anymore?
jordan holmes
Ugh, now I'm going to have to hit a homeless person on my way home so I can get hard.
Why are you making this suck?
dan friesen
Bah!
And, I mean, this...
Calls back to what he was talking about earlier in that clip from the 2016 election thing where he's talking about the idea of white Christians, we got you out of slavery, we try to empower women, and now you guys have turned on us.
That is why he feels...
So desperate in order to get those tears.
That's why he's so desperate to get that victimization from them because he feels that they've wronged him by demanding to be treated like equals.
He feels that they have wronged his whiteness and his maleness by asking for equality.
And that's really, really hard to look at.
That's hard to deal with because, first of all, it's so dumb.
It's so dumb.
jordan holmes
Not least of which, it utterly defies his narrative of, look, white people raised you up.
We brought you out of this whole thing.
And, I mean, sure, we enjoy making you feel miserable and crushing you under our boots.
That's because we love raising you up so much.
dan friesen
But you have to be raised up to exactly where I want you to be.
If you're anywhere else.
jordan holmes
In order for me to knock you the fuck down.
dan friesen
Well, you won't get knocked down if you stay below my bat.
It's that sort of thing.
I'm gonna be swinging, and if you get, you know, out of your station or whatever, you know, terms that would have been used before.
I don't care to utter.
But, like, you know, it's that sort of thing.
Stay in your place and you're not going to get hit.
And then you won't have to cry and make me feel bad for hitting you.
jordan holmes
And frankly, it's your fault that you got hit.
You should have known.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You should have known.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Look at me.
I'm a crazy white man swinging a bat.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't have come anywhere near me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, sure, I stole you from your country and sold you into slavery.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But why did you?
You were the ones.
Look, in a libertarian world, you were the ones who said hi.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
You should never have done that!
dan friesen
And you live in a country where, you know, white people have always loved swinging bats.
It's part of our cultural heritage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on!
That's such a, like...
See?
Now you guys know what we would have done if you guys came to our country.
We would have separated you from your families.
We're not getting sold into slavery.
We learned from your mistakes in saying hi and offering us food.
Look how dumb you are to be kind.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, this one's from the 2016 election.
We jump off the cruelty thing, although I think that that is probably the biggest piece of this.
I really do.
I think that what they tried to do is essentially...
I don't know if it was 100% intentional on election night that that was what they ended up doing.
I think that was where their instincts took them and they loved it.
I think that that cruelty display that they had of laughing at people crying because they feared for their safety, I think that that was sort of an improvisational move.
And then, because it was so good, and they made so much hay out of it, made so many quote-unquote viral pieces out of it, like Paul Watson's from The Next Day.
They tried to do that again in the Kavanaugh stream.
That was the pageant that they tried to put on.
That was the entire point of it.
So, I don't want to undersell that.
That's the big piece.
But Alex says a couple more really fucked up things that I didn't remember from the 2016 stream that I think I might have buried away somewhere in my subconscious, but boy, I don't remember him saying shit like this.
This one, this next one.
Listen to the language he uses here.
Listen to the specific syntax.
Because if you follow pronoun reference, you're going to hear something supremely fucked up.
alex jones
The evil has been shown how they hate you, how they want to bankrupt you, how they think you're dumb, how they think you're scum.
Here's the problem, though.
Our forebearers thought you were something.
They set up a system where you could vote.
And now, in an abomination, you use that power to turn us into your slaves.
Well, here's the news, jackass.
We're not going to be Hillary's slaves and the ruling class's slaves.
And we're not going to be the slaves of you either.
Those of you above, those of you below, are all the same damn thing.
You will go into where you're leaving.
unidentified
Not us!
Not us!
alex jones
I understand you hate strength and beauty.
Because you're ugly.
dan friesen
So, uh...
Our forebearers.
Gave you the right to vote, and now you're using that against us.
I'll talk to you about votes for a second.
jordan holmes
I only want to hear three-fifths of what you have to say, Dan.
dan friesen
Originally, only white males who owned property were given the right to vote in this country.
That constituted 6% of the population even having a hypothetical say in voting.
It wasn't until 1856 that the last state did away with the whole owning property stipulation to allow people to vote, but even at that point, it was still just white male renters who were now allowed to have their voice heard at the ballot box, a good 80 years after this country was founded.
In 1870, the 15th Amendment was passed which prevents states from making laws to prevent voting on the basis of, quote, race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Naturally, most southern states immediately put into place tons of restrictions meant to disenfranchise the new black voters, and thus Jim Crow laws came into play.
Fun fact, the Supreme Court pretty regularly upheld those disenfranchising laws.
So really, even though there was a constitutional amendment saying otherwise, in practice, still it was mostly just white dudes who were able to freely vote.
In 1887, Native Americans were granted citizenship, and thus the ability to vote, on the condition that they break their association with their tribes.
They're like, oh, you can vote, but you gotta get out of that tribe.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
You gotta get rid of your entire heritage and sort of walk away from your past and everything that connects you to your ancestors, your lineage, all of that stuff, your culture, everything, just get rid of it, you can vote.
jordan holmes
You can vote if you want to act white!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Duh!
dan friesen
So I would consider that not freely being able to vote.
that's demanding a massive sacrifice of people for the privilege of voting.
37 years later, the US government would finally just say, "All right, fine.
You don't have to leave your tribe.
You're cool." But it took them 37 more fucking years.
In 1920, the 19th Yeah.
So that all was still in play.
And though it was founded...
In 1790, residents of Washington, D.C. weren't allowed to vote in general elections until 1965.
And to this day, though they are U.S. citizens, residents of Guam, the Virgin Islands, Northern Mariana Island, and Puerto Rico can't vote in general elections.
Nor can people in American Samoa, though they're not citizens, they're American nationals.
Oh, also a fun little fact I found.
Ethnically Chinese U.S. citizens in many states were denied the right to own property until 1965 as a lingering effect of the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Can't imagine they were allowed to vote while they weren't allowed to own shit.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey, if you want to own shit, you've got to vote us out.
Now, admittedly, that's abusing the power that we gave you to hurt us by you being able to participate in America or whatever it is.
Whatever it is you're talking about.
dan friesen
So, at what point is that your forebearer is giving you the right to vote?
Because some of this stuff is shockingly current.
You know, like, first of all, for those U.S. people, U.S. citizens in Puerto Rico, Guam...
That's current.
That's happening now.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
In Washington, D.C., it was 1965.
That's not our forebears.
That's the last generation.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
That's like Alex Stouts 10 years before he was born.
1920, when the 19th Amendment passed, that's not your forebears, that's your grandpa.
When he says your forebears, he's talking about the founding of this country.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's talking about, he's shaming white people.
unidentified
Shh, no.
dan friesen
Listen to this again.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Listen to this again.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
The evil has been shown how they hate you, how they want to bankrupt you, how they think you're dumb, how they think you're scum.
Here's the problem, though.
Our forebearers thought you were something.
They set up a system where you could vote.
And now, in an abomination, you use that power to turn us into your slaves.
Well, here's the news, jackass.
dan friesen
He's talking to white people who don't fall into his plan, don't fall into his program.
It's not talking about people who got the right to vote later.
I don't think, anyway.
jordan holmes
So you're saying right now that he is not even pretending to use this as a general, like, our forebears gave all of you the right to vote.
Instead, he is saying, our forebears...
Why can't I say that right now?
dan friesen
It's a mess of a word.
jordan holmes
It's a dumb word.
Our ancestors gave you...
White men the right to vote.
And some of you have used that to become traitors.
You race traitors.
You were given the right to vote.
You weren't a subjugant of the king anymore.
And then you turned that and you used it to remove white people's hegemony?
Bullshit!
dan friesen
Well, that's one possibility, and I think it's the most likely.
The other possibility is he is talking about other groups that won the right to vote over the course of history, which is, first of all, dumb to say that your forebears gave it to you and they fought for those rights and were beaten and killed in the process in order to get those rights.
jordan holmes
Right.
I think he might literally think that everybody was allowed to vote.
dan friesen
He might.
jordan holmes
He's that dumb.
dan friesen
He does believe in lore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's not forget how dumb he is.
dan friesen
But if you go that angle, if you go that direction, then what he's saying is, so let's say you blacks and women, you were given the right to vote, and how dare you vote in ways that are in your best interests.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So even that doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
Well, because...
dan friesen
Even that is shockingly white supremacist.
jordan holmes
But for white supremacists, it's a non-zero-sum game.
Or, I mean, it's a zero-sum game.
If you vote for what's in your best interests, then naturally that means that you're not voting for what's in my best interest.
And if you're voting against my best interest, then you're abusing me with the right I gave you.
You should be voting in my best interest as an act of grace.
You should be voting in my best interest in order to make sure that I continue giving you good things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like how a slave would do it.
dan friesen
It all doesn't make sense from a sensible standpoint.
But it does make sense when you look at it through the prism of a rambling...
Bigot talking on air.
Go to bed, Grandpa.
This next clip is from the Kavanaugh stream, and it's one of the other things that Alex has to do throughout the entire 2016 election stream and the Kavanaugh stream.
He has to present this idea that the left is out of control and they're rioting.
This is a narrative that he needs to use for a very specific reason, which we'll see in the clip right after.
But suffice it to say, he's making all of it up.
alex jones
Here we are, just 25 minutes to go.
They confirmed Kavanaugh, and the left is just rioting and freaking out in D.C. We have live feeds on Infowars.com.
This is just insane.
This is total insanity that we're witnessing.
You look at Trump's remarkable week.
dan friesen
So the streams that he's playing from Infowars.com and Millie and all them out on the street don't show liberals rioting at all unless people standing with signs and chanting is rioting to you.
And if that's the case, then you want to take away people's right to demonstrate or to freely congregate or any of those things.
If you do, come out and say it.
Let's have that argument because you'll lose.
I think.
I hope.
alex jones
God, I hope.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
Not in the Supreme Court.
dan friesen
Alex?
And the people on the right are very desperately, and have been for a long time, trying to present the idea of all the liberal protesters and things like that are completely out of control.
We've seen it come to fruition recently at one of Trump's rallies.
He was talking about how the left and Democrats have become ungovernable.
It's the rule of the mob and all this.
This is that language coming into its final form.
Alex is one of the first people who was...
Really going out there and pushing it real hard has been for a very long time.
And the function of it is to now try to delegitimize an entire side of the debate.
And it's working.
jordan holmes
There is no other side.
There's only good and evil, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's it.
We're good.
You think you have a good point?
unidentified
When?
jordan holmes
You're evil.
You can't possibly have a good point.
Evil doesn't have good points.
Good only has good points.
That's what's in the name.
You have evil points.
I mean, sure, they're right.
But that's because being right is evil.
Like that history you just read off?
I don't want to hear that.
That makes white people feel bad.
That's evil.
dan friesen
That is evil.
jordan holmes
That is an evil thing to say, Dan.
Don't tell me what happened.
dan friesen
Look, this is going to be a very dangerous thing, and hopefully...
Society is able to reel this in before it goes too far.
They will not be able to.
It's already way too far.
But the idea that you have the President of the United States going to some weird, unnecessary cult of personality rally and delegitimizing an entire opposition party as being ungovernable, you have now entered into, like, this is what history warns us about.
This is that.
jordan holmes
Not if you don't know it.
This is why I'm mad at you for reading the history.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Look, you're telling me that this has happened before and that when people do this, bad things happen?
That doesn't sound right.
dan friesen
It would be much more pleasant to blissfully just have this creep up on you, but here are the signs.
There are signposts along the way, and that's a big one.
jordan holmes
In my history, all I'm saying is that, look, Hitler did give Jews the right to vote.
Wait, no, he didn't, did he?
dan friesen
I'm not sure that, no, he did not.
jordan holmes
But in my history he did.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, in your history, yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is good history.
It's good history.
dan friesen
Not evil history.
jordan holmes
Not evil history.
dan friesen
So the reason that this rhetoric is really important, and the reason that Alex was able to spread it so far and wide within the right-wing world, and I'm not saying he was the first or the only, but he was one of the very strong voices of it, is that it leads somewhere.
And in this clip...
From how his head was feeling on the night of the 2016 election.
We hear where that rhetoric is intended to go.
alex jones
And we'll go on stomping them forever.
Because big jackass crews of wimps get together and they think they can piss on people.
They take some nice man or woman who's just a hard-working good person and they think we're wimps because we don't want to break their necks.
And so they attack us and piss on us and do things until...
We finally stand up against them, and then they fight us.
We decide to break their legs.
But like the knight in the Monty Python movie, who keeps saying, I'm the knight that goes knee.
dan friesen
No, that's the black knight.
alex jones
You've got their arms and legs off.
They just continue coming on.
And then you realize that you just can't give these people court.
They won't be happy until you've metaphysically stomped their eye sockets in and bashed their brains out.
We understand you can't coexist with us because we're altruistic.
We're strong.
We don't want to hurt you.
We want to build you.
You want to hurt people like a little Tasmanian devil piranha.
And so, as quickly as we can, we're just going to stomp your head in and kick you in the ditch.
And it's no hard feelings.
But it has to be done.
You can go around and fund radical Muslims.
You can fund abortions all day.
You can be a wimp and lie about what you really did.
But we're going to man up to it.
And the final equation, you will belong to the ash heap of history.
No one wants to be around you or with you.
I take no pleasure in that.
But you tried to better better men.
You may have shot humanity in the chest, but to quote Willie Nelson, or was it Merle Haggard, or was it Johnny Cash, you'll never get the best of better men.
dan friesen
So, that's supremely ugly.
jordan holmes
Do you know what that reminds me the most of?
In the Sandman comics, there is a huge storyline.
Where this woman accidentally goes to a convention for serial killers.
And all these serial killers are living under this delusion that they're the hunters.
They're making humanity stronger.
They're the good guys.
They're there for a reason.
And at the end of it, Morpheus shows up and he gives the greatest curse in history.
Which is he just shows them who they really are.
Like, they see themselves as they really are.
Like, that is what Alex...
Like, I'm waiting for Republicans to outlaw mirrors.
Like, that's what Alex is...
That's what he's actually doing.
Like, all of the things that he just described that they are doing.
They want to kill you.
They want to tear you down.
They want to do all this stuff.
You hate us because we're altruistic.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, all of this stuff is like...
dan friesen
We can't coexist because we're altruistic.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Like, that is a complete, like, if he was forced by some Twilight Zone curse to see himself for who he really is, like, that's the only way to truly punish Alex.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, if you had, like, a on-the-road-to, like, the Saul-on-the-road moment, you know, like, that would be the only, that's the only fitting punishment.
Yeah, exactly.
Because what he's saying in there is all this, like, he keeps saying, oh, they pissed on us and they did this stuff.
And the only examples that he can come up with are you fund radical Islam and you fund abortions.
The abortions thing I don't even give a shit about.
Like, that's...
You know, Alex, I know where you are on that.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
dan friesen
And then with the radical Islam, I don't trust Alex to decide what is radical and what is not.
He's afraid of every single Muslim that exists.
So the idea that those are his two examples are like, hey, you support Muslims and you support women's right to get healthcare.
That's what pissing on you is?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what you can't coexist with?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what requires you to...
Stomp someone's skull in?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
That makes perfect sense!
dan friesen
That, to me, is, like...
I don't even know how to put it into words, but it's one of the most pathetic, tragic things that's come out of his mouth.
Because when he's not talking specifically, you have this idea of, like, maybe he's talking about some actual wrong that's been done.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
When it's just, oh, people having rights bothers you.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And that...
Rhetoric is so uncomfortable because I don't know how to deal with the truth of it, I suppose.
Because the truth of what he's saying is this.
No matter how hard we try and stomp on these people, whether we remove their arms and legs, they will keep coming.
So the only way to stop them from coming is to kill them.
dan friesen
And that's how we end up with that two billion dead.
jordan holmes
Right.
Exactly.
dan friesen
In his fantasy scenario.
jordan holmes
Now, the frustrating part of that is, how do you defeat Nazis?
Like, what do you do?
Like, how do we do that?
Like, beyond the metaphorical mirror that shows them for who they really are, like, how do we stop this?
Because, look, we had a good run!
There were tons of liberal policies, and they just fucking keep coming.
dan friesen
I think in the aftermath of World War II, there was denazification efforts that happened that were pretty successful, in the same way that after apartheid, there was truth and reconciliation committees, those sorts of things.
I don't know.
You would need something fairly extreme in terms of levels of understanding and something that would be very uncomfortable for everyone to go through.
But it probably would be the only way to do it without what is the scarier option, which Yeah, I mean, for all of the things that I say, when it comes down to it, the people who most embody the things that I hate are my parents, are my family.
jordan holmes
I don't want there to be a civil war because I'm not on their team.
I'm out.
That's gone.
So how do we...
Because changing their minds sure didn't work or doesn't work or isn't working.
There's no communication because, again, we're ungovernable.
We're demons.
We're evil.
For doing all of this stuff.
We're slandering a good man, Dan.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
We're tearing him down.
It's a witch hunt.
We're hunting witches.
How can you trust people who hunt witches, Dan?
How can you communicate?
How can you talk to these people?
unidentified
And that's not us saying it to them.
jordan holmes
That's them saying it to us.
So what do we fucking do?
How do you talk to them?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
How do we do this?
dan friesen
I'm not certain that people who have their minds made up about stuff or are under the sway of very powerful propaganda would be able to get outside of it without some moment that really...
Whether it's what you're describing, some sort of metaphysical mirror where they're able to see the reality or some sort of world event that brings things into sharp focus and makes them realize, oh god, that's really what I was a part of.
I thought it was something else.
Because there's a very small fraction of the people who are on the right who actually support Nazi-ish mentality.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There is a larger portion that have fallen under the sway of the illusion of populism, the idea of what they're going along with.
And those people, I think, there is...
Something that would open their eyes.
I don't know what it would be.
jordan holmes
Right?
I have no idea.
The New York Times put out a story where a two-year-old went in front of a judge.
dan friesen
Right.
And not just one story.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
There were multiple stories about that.
It was a train of children going in front of a fucking judge.
Children under the age of six.
Shouldn't that have been a flashpoint?
dan friesen
Thank God jurisprudence was saved by Kavanaugh getting onto the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't they, like, in my parents' situation, the only reason my family got out of the cult was because they killed a kid.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, like, that's the flashpoint that we're talking about.
And you would think that a Nazi rally where a guy murders a woman, that would be a flashpoint, and it's not.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
If the inertia of this movement continues along this line of cruelty, and it's only accelerating, it's only getting stronger, they're not losing people.
You know, people aren't jumping ship aside from a couple of asshole columnists who can go fucking fuck themselves.
You know, like, the reaction that's going to break that inertia is only going to become stronger.
Or is only going to need to be stronger and...
Like, what's going to stop this is not going to be good for anybody.
I mean, what's going to stop...
Well, obviously, the way that we're going, what's going to stop this is climate change.
dan friesen
Radical displays of love and caring and empathy possibly could have a very strong effect.
The Grinch theory?
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
Maybe I'm idealistic.
Maybe.
I don't know.
But I also think that if we look at the history of that being attempted, generally speaking, it's not so much the radical empathy and love, it's the people expressing radical empathy and love and then getting the shit kicked out of them.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're the Jesus.
We're talking about somebody is going to have to fucking take one in the chin for us.
Like, that kind of situation.
And it seems like a lot of people already are.
dan friesen
Well, a lot of people on the right do imagine that the Second Coming is around the corner, so maybe something like that will happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yep.
dan friesen
Some artificial version of the Second Coming could fix things.
jordan holmes
They just need that...
They need to see who they really are, and I don't know what can...
Shake it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think that one of the problems for us fixing everything is something that we've sort of touched on a little bit over the course of these shows that we do.
And that is that the things that Alex Jones and people like him, especially, people who are cruel propagandists, they seek to, whether it's intentional or not, is really fucking difficult to figure out, but I feel like it is.
They seek to get rid of the avenues by which people can have that waking up experience.
In the same way that cults try and limit access to outside world information, like the internet that could disprove them.
Oh, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Don't go to the Clinton News Network.
Go to Fox News.
dan friesen
One of the prime...
...focuses of people who are trying to bring us into the negative place is to discredit the idea of any actual truth.
Anything in the media being accurate.
No, you can only trust the people like me, Tucker Carlson, and Doocy.
They're only people who are legit.
And if you hear it from Trump, it's fucking true.
Don't worry about it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Those sorts of things really serve to limit the ability of people to save themselves.
And then it also hurts the ability of you to talk anybody out of it because you'll use primary sources or talk about, hey, Chinese people couldn't own property until 1965 in a lot of states.
Oh, hey, states' rights.
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
You could bring those things up, but they don't, you know, it'd be like, I don't trust that.
I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
It's just belief.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
All I'm going for is I want you and I to get big enough where we get invited onto one of those Fox News shows.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Because here's my dream scenario, all right?
dan friesen
I don't want to do it.
jordan holmes
You be Tucker Carlson and I'll be me.
dan friesen
Do you like my bow tie, sir?
jordan holmes
I love your bow tie.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Do you have any questions for me?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Just wanted to bring you here so I could insult your shitty beard.
jordan holmes
All I want...
To go on Fox News to do is just say...
dan friesen
I hear, actually, Jordan, I've listened to some of your shows.
I hear you're a soft yes on white genocide.
jordan holmes
Tucker, I am.
And I just want to say this.
You're a giant piece of shit.
Thank you for having me on.
I'm going to get out of here.
unidentified
Peace.
jordan holmes
I'm going to get out of here.
No, don't you want to have an argument?
Nah, dude.
You're a piece of shit.
I'm out!
dan friesen
Booyah.
jordan holmes
I just want that moment.
I want one moment.
dan friesen
The problem is...
jordan holmes
I want to see Tucker Carlson cry, is what I'm saying.
dan friesen
He wouldn't.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
I don't want to see him cry.
dan friesen
The problem is those shows aren't live, so it would never air.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
You'd have to have someone there with a video camera capturing it.
jordan holmes
I need a live show.
dan friesen
Yeah, you need to find...
Fox and Friends.
jordan holmes
Fox and Friends is live, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, but they have a delay, I'm sure.
Oh.
jordan holmes
Well, then I'd have to really stretch it out.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
What's the five second...
Is it a five second delay?
dan friesen
Depends.
Station by station.
I imagine a TV one would have maybe a minute.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can roll for a minute.
unidentified
I can roll for a minute, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, maybe you'll be able to overcome their delay and get your message.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
They're holding on to me, trying to rip me out of there.
I'm just going to keep going.
dan friesen
I have to say, I don't think that would be the flashpoint that saves the world.
jordan holmes
No, but it would be a great one for me.
dan friesen
And it's probably delusional of us to actually think that there is some sort of flashpoint possible, but it's something that you think about, because that would be the real-world version of the metaphorical mirror, some sort of world crisis event or something like that that would shock people into realizing, oh, what have we become?
jordan holmes
Well, you would think, again, that the climate change deniers would see...
All of the hurricanes.
We're getting hit with another hurricane right now.
There's so many shit.
Like, climate change.
They even said we've got 12 years left.
They sound more like me!
dan friesen
Those alarmists have always been saying stupid shit.
jordan holmes
The scientists are finally skipping the, like, we gotta solve this by 2100.
dan friesen
Otherwise people, and they're on my side where they're like, we're fu- Right, but they just want to try and get carbon taxes going so George Soros can make more money.
Why don't you understand this?
jordan holmes
But that's the mirror, isn't it?
Whenever it finally comes home and fucking swaths of the coastline are just gone.
dan friesen
I think that so much of that can be...
unidentified
It's actually Soros' weather weapons.
jordan holmes
That's what's going to do it.
dan friesen
See?
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
That will be the new argument.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
There's always something.
jordan holmes
There's always something.
dan friesen
I don't fucking know.
Anyway, Jordan, I don't know if I achieved exactly what I hoped to achieve with this episode, but I noticed those stark parallels between the Kavanaugh stream and the election stream, and I felt they were worth pointing out.
I don't know.
The audience can decide whether it's worthwhile or not, but I knew that there was that cruelty in the Kavanaugh stream that I really felt it was important for us to discuss, even if we didn't go over the entire stream.
Trust us, there wasn't all that much outside of the cruelty that was worthwhile.
Alex just rambles about a drawing of a lighthouse that he made for about five minutes.
That's kind of fun, but...
jordan holmes
The thing that I do, the parallel that you have made, and I think you've nailed it, the one thing about it, though, is strangely hopeful.
The parallel that you have made, on election night, we are...
All crying.
We are all watching the doom of America.
And on Kavanaugh's confirmation, there was no crying.
There was none of that.
Everyone was ready.
Everyone was raising their fist up.
Everybody was saying...
Not this time.
We're not crying.
This isn't a mournful situation.
This is a fight.
dan friesen
That's hopeful.
The would-be victims of Alex's propaganda pageant that he wanted to put on weren't playing the same game.
They had evolved to the point now where people had organized and were getting more active, whereas the glimpse of Alex as a propaganda outlet had not evolved.
He was trying to do the exact same thing.
So yes, I think that is slightly optimistic in some ways.
jordan holmes
We just gotta get the Democratic National Committee to figure that shit out now.
Even now people are like, I don't know if we should run Warren.
She's too angry.
She's too shrill for the Democratic voters.
Great.
Good work, dudes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And all this is to say that times are ugly ahead and let's hope.
I don't know.
I have nothing to say.
jordan holmes
Hey, man.
Let's do Clinton in 2020!
Let's do Bill this time!
Let's throw another Clinton in there!
Who gives a shit?
Triangulation, Dan!
That's how we win!
Centrism!
dan friesen
That's probably going to be the mirror that wakes everyone up.
I don't know, Jordan.
I have nothing really to sum up other than to say everybody knows where we stand on things and the world can go fuck itself.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We have a website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do, Dan.
Where else could you find us?
unidentified
Twitter.
dan friesen
We're at knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
Could you find us in another place?
dan friesen
Yes, Facebook.
jordan holmes
What about another social media, like a smaller social media group on Facebook called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Billion.
All right.
What if you went to iTunes and you saw our show and you subscribed to it and you liked it?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What if you left a review?
dan friesen
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
That would be great.
dan friesen
Any of those things would be great things to do.
unidentified
Now...
dan friesen
On Kavanaugh Day and on Election Day 2016, we saw Alex being very similar.
And there's one thing that's also similar between those two days, and that is he is aware that he probably killed a dude.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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