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#213: October 2, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the Oct. 2, 2018 episode of The Alex Jones Show. The gents expected to find Alex running a desperate defense for the Supreme Court nomination of Bret Kavanaugh, but they could not have imagined how insane and idiotic Alex's defense would be.

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alex jones
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Hey.
jordan holmes
When was the last time you were at a Cubs game?
dan friesen
Last time I was at a Cubs game, I went with the great...
Bobby Buds.
Oh yeah, that sounds right.
Bobby Buds.
He's taken me to two games, the Cubs.
The only two games I've gone to.
They've been a delight.
We've gotten shit wasted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Buds is so fucking funny out in social life, let's say.
jordan holmes
Out in the real world.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is a little bit of a knock.
dan friesen
No, he's a very funny guy on Twitter.
He had this thing, he had this bit that he kept doing where he kept accusing the guy who was selling beers of hitting on him.
It was just something that progressively got worse as we got drunker.
I don't know, man.
It's a super fun time.
I don't care about baseball or the Cubs really at all.
I know that's offensive to you.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's fine.
dan friesen
I always thought that Go Cubs Go is the stupidest fucking song in the world.
It's the worst.
But...
This game that we went to was the end of the regular season.
The year the Cubs ended up winning the...
jordan holmes
2016.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there was electricity in the room.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
It was like they won.
It was an exciting game.
As the game is ending, everyone in the fucking stadium is singing Go Cubs Go.
And I found myself singing along too.
jordan holmes
You can't help it.
dan friesen
It was infectious.
jordan holmes
It is insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
It's one of the times...
jordan holmes
It's the worst song that every...
It's way worse.
What's the dumb Boston one?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's way worse than that one.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Chelsea Dagger is a little better.
jordan holmes
It's somehow a lot better than that one, too.
dan friesen
I like Chelsea Dagger as a fight song a little more, but it's still not great.
jordan holmes
No, it's terrible.
dan friesen
But it was.
jordan holmes
Unlistenable.
dan friesen
It was that really interesting experience that I hadn't really had much of in my life of, like, really blending into the whole.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I became part of the stadium.
jordan holmes
You understand sports now.
dan friesen
Yeah, I kind of got it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Well.
jordan holmes
That is important because we're recording this on Wednesday and last night they lost to the Rockies in 13 innings and are eliminated, so...
dan friesen
Sorry about that.
jordan holmes
Great!
dan friesen
Sorry about that, Cubs fans.
jordan holmes
I'm glad you had a fun experience, Dan!
No, it's great.
dan friesen
Two years ago.
jordan holmes
It's fine.
dan friesen
The only other time I tried to go to a Cubs game was when friends and New York comedians, Ryan Beck and Kyle Ayers, were both in town.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we tried to go to a Cubs game and it got rained out, so I spent like...
25 bucks on beers just to have to leave.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Well, now you know what it's like to be a Cubs fan.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was a bummer.
jordan holmes
That's more like the experience that Cubs fans all love and share.
dan friesen
That is a bummer, but what's not a bummer, Jordan, is...
A couple of new donors that I get a shout-out to.
Also, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
There we go.
So, I'd like to say, first of all, thank you so much to someone who has just joined up with the team.
We're very excited about this.
Thank you so much, David.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, David.
jordan holmes
Thank you, David.
You are a man after God's own heart.
dan friesen
Indeed.
Also, I'd like to say thank you to someone else who has just joined up.
We very much appreciate it.
Thank you so much, Amy.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Amy.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Amy.
Man?
dan friesen
I don't think it's Amy Man.
jordan holmes
Are you sure it's not Amy Man?
dan friesen
If it is Amy Man, I think she could have bumped it up a little bit.
jordan holmes
Hit your boy up.
dan friesen
So, we appreciate everybody oh so very much, and if you'd like to support the show in what we do, you can do so by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show, and helping us out.
Look, I made this sales pitch a couple episodes back, and then I cut it out of the episode because I felt fucking really gross about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
You did cut it out!
dan friesen
But if you want to support the show, we would really appreciate it if you donate two bucks a month based on the number of episodes we put out that's like six cents an episode.
I don't know what that means.
I don't know if that's compelling.
But here's the deal.
More people supporting the show makes things much easier.
Not only just logistically and life-wise, but...
There's certain freedoms that I don't experience in my life, let's say.
jordan holmes
Right, like having all of your blood at all times.
dan friesen
Right, that's one of the things.
jordan holmes
A lot of people enjoy all of their blood all the time.
You do not, sir.
dan friesen
Another thing, too, is that I've been sick, and I can't go sell my blood.
Because I'm sick.
I risk getting tons of people sick who are also in the plasma center if I irresponsibly go in there.
So that's a freedom of my life that's taken away.
And then the other one is, I want to get more tattoos.
And I can't do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I respect that.
I'm on my, like, it's been almost a year and a half now.
dan friesen
We should get tattoos.
jordan holmes
I don't know if we can do that.
dan friesen
Let's get Alex Jones tattoos.
jordan holmes
No, we cannot.
Let's get Roger Stone's ass with Nixon's tattoo on it.
dan friesen
New goal.
But that's the sort of thing.
I don't know.
I'm not going to stop doing the show at any point just because I can't get tattoos.
But there's things that I'd like to do.
And if you support the show and you like what we do, any little bit helps.
And thank you to everybody who does support the show.
And if you don't want to support the show financially and you just like listening to it...
Fucking awesome.
Keep doing that.
We appreciate that enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, once again, with all of our...
dan friesen
You don't have to pay to listen.
Everything is free.
jordan holmes
With all of our entreaties to help us out, at the end of the day, it's like, but if you don't, it's fine.
We're ashamed of needing.
dan friesen
And honestly, there are better places to send money.
If you want to donate to charity, that's better.
That's better.
jordan holmes
Dan, how dare you?
dan friesen
Literacy campaigns.
jordan holmes
What?
They can hear our show?
They don't need to learn how to read!
dan friesen
That's exactly right.
100% I agree with that.
So, Jordan, today we are in a situation where, as is always the case whenever we have a really fun episode like we did on Wednesday, we now have to have a bit of a bummer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Today, after our last episode, you and I sat around and we had a little bit of chat afterwards about the idea of, like, are we just abandoning the present in Alex Jones?
And we both realize that that's not our...
It's outside of our job to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We have to talk about the present.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Even if he's stupid and an MLM middle management sales guy now, even if he's publicly deconstructing to a gross degree, we kind of still have to talk about the present or else...
We're kind of leaving part of the equation unsolved.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or unanswered.
And that would be derelict.
We'd be derelict in our duty.
And so today...
jordan holmes
And we would just forget what the present is as we constantly live in the past.
It would be like we were in Futurama.
I'm totally fine with doing that, by the way.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
dan friesen
Can't do it.
jordan holmes
You've got to engage in the reality of the present, which is an unending stream of shit being poured upon all of our faces all day, every day, with no chance of cessation.
dan friesen
So today we're going over Tuesday, October 2nd, 2018's episode.
And I know I told you that I didn't want to go to the present for some very legitimate reasons.
I could kind of predict what Alex was going to be up to.
I was wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that tends to be how this show works.
dan friesen
I was so fucking wrong.
jordan holmes
We have known and listened to thousands upon thousands of hours of this asshole, and how is it still wrong?
dan friesen
I have...
No idea.
No one would have predicted this.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So today we're going to start, and here is an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
I don't claim Jack Diddley Squat.
I don't know what's going on.
dan friesen
Me neither, man.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Me neither.
Me and Alex on the same page.
jordan holmes
Wait, but you always say you know what's going on.
dan friesen
I have no idea what's going on.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Also, it's really fun because I realized this in that drunken hotel interview where he's like, I don't know who did 9-11.
I have no idea.
I recently watched some clips of him on Rogan's show, and he's like, I know everyone who did it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
You fucking dick.
jordan holmes
He's 99% right all the time.
Now, admittedly, he has no idea what's going on, but when he says he knows what's going on, he's 99% right.
dan friesen
He could be 99% right 99% of the time and technically be wrong every single time.
It's possible.
jordan holmes
That is possible.
dan friesen
It's unlikely, but it's possible.
jordan holmes
What is that, the gambler's fallacy?
Is that what just happened?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, today we're going to start this October 2nd, 2018 episode.
This is not going to be super fun, but some of it is going to be fucking hysterical.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Here we go.
Let's jump in as Alex jumps in at the beginning of the broadcast.
alex jones
35 days until the most historic election in world history.
jordan holmes
I know.
alex jones
Referendum on nationalism versus globalism, human freedom and the renaissance versus global technocracy and the new dark age.
You know, I rarely drop the ball big time.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
But I have really, really dropped the ball in a gigantic way.
unidentified
I feel like we have 20 different examples of him saying this.
alex jones
And I began to realize this over the weekend, so I did a lot of research.
And by then, a lot of other people had done research.
jordan holmes
Cool.
alex jones
And now, we have all the documents, we have all the admissions, it's hiding in complete plain view.
jordan holmes
What is?
alex jones
And I'll talk about how I dropped the ball.
jordan holmes
Tell me what it is!
alex jones
And how important this ball dropping is.
jordan holmes
You fucking tease!
alex jones
Because the ball's been fumbled, but the other side hasn't got it yet.
dan friesen
It's a big ball.
alex jones
And we get this information out.
No wonder they don't want Infowars on any social media or able to share information virally, they think, during this period, because they're going to make a bunch of dirty moves the next 35 days.
We've already seen it.
But the information we're going to cover when we come back is absolutely so stunning that I just cannot even believe it.
jordan holmes
You can't even, Dan!
dan friesen
Great Alex Jones right there.
jordan holmes
He cannot.
I have dropped the ball so bad.
And let me tell you how bad I've dropped it.
unidentified
But only by picking it back up and showing you how amazing this fucking ball that I dropped is!
dan friesen
Because the other side hasn't picked it up yet.
So you have any idea what he's talking about?
jordan holmes
No fucking clue!
dan friesen
It could be anything.
jordan holmes
It could literally be anything.
dan friesen
These days...
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Who fucking knows?
jordan holmes
No, I mean, your first instinct is to be like, oh, he's probably got something on Kavanaugh, and you're like, well, that would be too easy.
dan friesen
It is Kavanaugh adjacent.
jordan holmes
It's Kavanaugh adjacent.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Alex is on...
jordan holmes
Hold on.
He believes Anita Hill.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Because that would be a huge dropping of the ball that he did pick it back.
I mean...
dan friesen
I think the other side's picked that one up.
jordan holmes
Well, the other side did pick that one up.
Okay, true.
dan friesen
I mean, this is related to Kavanaugh, obviously.
And Alex is on some crazy bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he has been for a bit.
Okay.
His narrative about it has been constantly evolving.
He posted a story a couple days back about how she has travel pictures and that proves she's a liar and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That whole nonsense.
jordan holmes
Essentially, everything that she said that anybody is like...
Well, maybe that's...
If it's not all 100% true, then that means that she's 100% lying about everything.
dan friesen
He's basically gone and amplified and exaggerated all of the conservative talking points about her.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's hard to do.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
They are really amping it up themselves.
dan friesen
And my friend, when we get to what the ball he dropped is...
jordan holmes
Does he deliver?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
This is what I'm saying.
This is what I was talking about at the beginning of the episode.
I predicted that, like, Alex is going to be running interference for Kavanaugh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it wasn't going...
I'm like, I don't need to go listen to that.
It's not going to be interesting.
I was so fucking wrong.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
His angle on this is unbelievable, and he begins to get into it here.
alex jones
And thank God Michael Savage began to point this out last Friday, because I see...
jordan holmes
Yeah, we say that all the time.
alex jones
But for some reason, I mainly focused on Ford's leftist background, donating 10 times to Hillary, 60 times to other leftists, how her story didn't add up, how there's new process, how you're innocent until proven guilty, you know, stuff that goes back to the Magna Carta.
jordan holmes
Right, for criminal trials.
You know, for criminal trials.
Not for a job interview.
alex jones
I began to look at her CIA connections, and it's not connections.
It's like saying a cow out in a field has connections to cows.
Or Hitler had connections to the Nazis.
Apple's logo looks like an apple.
unidentified
So she's in the CIA.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, not that.
She is the CIA.
dan friesen
She's the head.
She's the chancellor of the CIA.
Or she is just the embodiment of the CIA.
He's bad at metaphors.
jordan holmes
He's not good at metaphors.
dan friesen
So that's the first part of it, but this is not at all where it ends.
alex jones
It's unbelievable.
And it's not just CIA.
jordan holmes
I bet it's unbelievable.
alex jones
She co-authors top studies and is one of the head engineers in a giant mind control program that they admit is mind control.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
At Stanford.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
alex jones
And then her father, grandfather, brother, brother-in-law all work in the same group of CIA offices that produced the fake Russiagate dossier.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And then she's got the deep state lawyer of Andy McCabe.
jordan holmes
Wait, she's also Michael Seal?
alex jones
This is unbelievable that they would try something like this.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
dan friesen
This is basically the Rosetta Stone.
jordan holmes
It's all the same team.
dan friesen
This is the Rosetta Stone of everything.
jordan holmes
So because of her, because she's finally come forward, we now know that she is part of the team that set up the Steele dossier.
She's part of the team that is behind, I assume, the Bay of Pigs.
She's done it all.
dan friesen
Well, her brother apparently worked at a law firm that may have represented Fusion GPS or been involved with them at some point.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Well, then that's the smoking gun right there.
dan friesen
That part, I'm going to leave alone.
jordan holmes
Smoking gun.
dan friesen
Now, as to her family being in the CIA...
jordan holmes
Which, once again, Fusion is, of course, the CIA, right?
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
Everybody's the CIA.
It's not a private enterprise.
dan friesen
Everybody's the CIA.
jordan holmes
It's not like a firm that specifically does one thing.
dan friesen
So...
In terms of her family being CIA, I don't know if that's true.
I don't think that there's a database I can just type someone's name into and it pops up, CIA!
I don't think it works that way.
But the only reason I even care about this is like, Alex, you say your dad's a CIA dentist.
jordan holmes
Hey, hold on.
dan friesen
Why are you throwing stones at somebody else for their family being...
jordan holmes
He's a patriot CIA dentist.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
He's not accusing anybody very credibly of assaulting them.
Because if he did...
Then it would obviously be true, because his dad has totally assaulted somebody.
dan friesen
He's a good version of the CIA dentist.
So the other thing is, like, her lawyer is involved with McCabe.
I also don't know if that's true.
I don't care.
Like banging?
Alex, your lawyer represents the Daily Stormer.
Like, I don't think it's a problem that they do.
I really don't.
If it's free speech issues and they take on clients who are, like...
Disgusting to most people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They still deserve to have a lawyer and have a day in court.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's part of the whole...
Well, let's be honest.
That's part of the Constitution that Trump is trying to get rid of.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
But I don't think that just because you're a lawyer who has represented a Nazi makes you a Nazi.
I don't think that version of association really works.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the ACLU would be fucked if that were the case.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
I think there are probably lawyers who are Nazis who represent Nazis.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's not an equivalent.
So I don't judge Alex for having a lawyer who also represents Nazis.
I don't think that that...
jordan holmes
Frankly, I judge the Nazis for having a lawyer that also represents Alex.
Let's face it.
You're not getting a good lawyer, man.
dan friesen
It kind of means that lawyer is...
A little opportunistic.
jordan holmes
Have you seen the way he's represented?
Alex, guys.
Nazis.
You can do better.
dan friesen
Right.
So all of this is kind of thin, but she's involved in mind control experiments.
jordan holmes
Yes, that sounds right.
She does have a PhD in psychology.
dan friesen
We're going to leave that alone for now.
But I promise we'll get back to it.
I'm going to let Alex play himself out a little bit before we talk about the reality around this.
I'm not even going to try and pretend that he's right like I did on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, you made a valiant effort, but today's not the day.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
Also, I regret that I didn't know this before.
We recorded that episode about Sophia Stewart, the lady who claimed to have written The Matrix and Terminator.
I did some research into Red Ice Radio, this legitimate white supremacist radio show.
jordan holmes
Yes, legitimate.
Wait, do you mean it's legitimate white supremacists, or it's a legitimate radio show?
dan friesen
It's a legitimately white supremacist radio show.
I was looking into it because I noticed that there were a number of Alex Jones' guests who have also been on there.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine why.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Come on!
dan friesen
For some reference, John Rappaport's been on there four times.
jordan holmes
That sounds low!
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
Or high?
jordan holmes
Why is John Rappaport...
He's not leaving the house, of course.
dan friesen
Probably not.
He's in the attic.
It's not a daily radio show, though.
So it's not like...
Who cares?
But the reason I bring this up is Sophia Stewart was also on there.
So that's an interesting little wrinkle to her business.
So...
Now, we get back to this.
jordan holmes
You can't get around that voodoo, Dad.
dan friesen
Can't do it.
So, we get back in, and so Alex has levied the claim that Dr. Blassie Ford is involved in mind control experiments, and it turns out it's even worse than that.
alex jones
By the way, her specialty is implanting false memories.
jordan holmes
That's convenient.
alex jones
Oh, you're going to read the study with her name on it.
Help us.
You notice everybody accusing Kavanaugh are psychology professors.
dan friesen
Are you a Scientologist now?
What is that?
You notice all the enemies are psychologists.
Alright.
Whatever.
So I promise you we're going to get into exactly why this is all stupid and everything.
But before we do, Alex...
jordan holmes
I think already we can start with her specialty is implanting false memories.
Her specialty is not...
False memories.
It is not anything other than the actual act of implanting false memories into a human being.
dan friesen
Right.
She's basically the movie Inception.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But in a person.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So, before we get to any of this, and Alex sort of tries to talk about this news story, in heavy quotes, news story, he goes down a lot of really dumb roads.
And this one's my favorite.
I think you'll actually enjoy this one, too.
alex jones
It is Tuesday, the second day of October 2018.
I'm your host, Alex Jones.
We are 35 days out from the midterms that are obviously much bigger than just the midterms.
I'm going to dive straight into the Brett Kavanaugh fiasco.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
alex jones
And I'm not going to get into the latest Georgetown professors saying that They want to kill Kavanaugh and attack Kavanaugh and have his testicles cut off.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
alex jones
I'm going to get to that later.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
dan friesen
I'm going to get to that later.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
dan friesen
I thought they would make you perk up.
jordan holmes
Look, I'm not saying I'm for it.
I'm just saying if somebody were to come out and say that that's what we should do, I'm listening.
dan friesen
There's a Georgetown professor who tweeted some stuff about how like...
You know, all of these white men up here, these privileged white men who are reinforcing the system that allows people to assault women.
They deserve to be made to feel as uncomfortable as this makes.
Oh, yeah.
Essentially, that was the point that she was making, that she made it through flowery language, much like you might.
Yeah.
In terms of talking about how...
jordan holmes
I'm liking this person so far.
dan friesen
Talking about how they deserve to have painful deaths.
jordan holmes
I'm thinking there's an ally at Georgetown.
dan friesen
I think she does talk about how they should be castrated.
jordan holmes
I think I got a friend!
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
I think I got a friend!
dan friesen
It's going to be tough to reach out, because I think she got kicked off Twitter for it.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on!
Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what?
A prominent woman getting kicked off Twitter for saying something that is, at the very least, a response to a horrible injustice that is being committed by the people who are saying the shit on Twitter to her?
Odd!
dan friesen
Weird.
jordan holmes
Odd, Dan!
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Justice is perfect.
dan friesen
So, I don't want to talk too much about that story, I just think it's really funny, his delivery especially, if they want to cut.
jordan holmes
Your balls off.
dan friesen
His balls off.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
I love it.
I'm fine with it.
jordan holmes
Frankly, even if...
Look.
Even if he didn't, I'm kind of for that for Supreme Court justices.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
It'd be an interesting thing to do.
jordan holmes
There should be a sacrifice of some sort.
You want to have impartiality?
You don't get balls.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, then you'd have to take out the ovaries of the female Supreme Court justices.
jordan holmes
No hormones whatsoever.
I want supreme bots.
dan friesen
See, I'm not talking about hormones necessarily, but it would be interesting to put on some sort of, like, you can't have kids if you're on the Supreme Court, because that would bias your opinion about future stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
I'm not advocating for that, by the way.
I'm just talking this through.
jordan holmes
Look, all I'm saying is that...
The fantastic thing about what's going on right now is that it reveals the Supreme Court to be the sham that it has always been.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
jordan holmes
It has never been anything but this.
And any pretense that anybody has ever had of like, oh, well, these are impartial justices.
All they need to do is look at this now and be like...
Oh, no, that's full of shit, and it always has been.
So it's nice.
dan friesen
You assume that it has been, especially in earlier times in American history.
jordan holmes
Man, there was like, what?
There was like 20 years where the Supreme Court wasn't awful?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Where the Supreme Court wasn't just like, I really, I get your argument, but I'm still not convinced that black people are people.
dan friesen
Right, right.
That was a tough time for the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
That was a tough time.
dan friesen
Tough time for everybody.
So, here's the deal.
I'm not telling you the truth about this story yet, but part of that is because at this point in the show, we're maybe like 20 minutes into Alex's episode, maybe a little bit less than that, but Alex realizes on air that he hasn't read the story either.
Like, he doesn't actually...
jordan holmes
Of course not!
Of course not!
dan friesen
He realizes in the middle of talking about stuff that he needs more context than the headline.
And he doesn't have it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He just knows brain control, mind control programs.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
She implants memories or whatever.
He got like the bullet points or whatever.
But he can't do it.
And he realizes this is too important of a story for me.
I should probably skim this thing.
So he fakes being too emotional to be on air as he does very regularly.
This is pretty funny.
alex jones
Oh, and surprise, surprise.
dan friesen
Long pause.
Long pause.
unidentified
I never learned how to read!
alex jones
And you look deeply into it.
dan friesen
Stretch it.
alex jones
Hiding in plain view.
jordan holmes
In plain view?
alex jones
The most incredible information is right there in front of us.
And the fact that they would try something like this is the most outrageous crap I have ever heard.
unidentified
Outrage.
jordan holmes
Tell us what they've been trying to do.
alex jones
In fact, it's so stunning, I can't even be on air right now.
I'm going to have to go off air.
Seriously, I'm not doing this for dramatic purposes.
I'm going to have to compose myself.
And I will.
I need document cam shots when I do it.
So, I am going to go off air at this point.
And I'm going to come back in the next segment.
And I'm going to do my very, very best to be on air.
dan friesen
Good luck.
So he goes off air and plays- How long is he off air for?
Like ten minutes or something like that.
He plays some special reports, goes to commercial and shit, and he comes back and it appears that most of what he's prepared is not so much stuff about this story, although he's gotten a couple more beats.
What he's done is he's gone and wrangled articles about the Unabomber, MKUltra.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
James Holmes, the Aurora shooter.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that's about it.
So he comes back on air and gives a little lecture about MKUltra.
jordan holmes
So he quite literally went back into his office, found his cauldron, said double-double toil and trouble around it, and then here we are.
dan friesen
I would say that that's one possibility.
More likely he just went to his office.
Found that little wall mount that says, in case of emergency, break glass.
Took a ball peen hammer and got out the MKUltra stories and went back on air.
That's my theory.
But he comes back and now the story is a little bit more robust.
He can talk about it a little more.
And he has this basis of the Unabomber and James Holmes in order to weave in to the idea that she's running a mind control operation.
And I'm going to say this...
Way ahead of time?
I think Alex could get sued for this.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
I think this is liable.
jordan holmes
That's fast.
dan friesen
I'm not a lawyer.
I don't know exactly.
But if I were Dr. Ford, I would sue the shit out of Alex Jones for this.
He is absolutely lying about her, and it is dead to rights liable.
jordan holmes
If the lawyer for the Daily Stormer isn't listening to this...
dan friesen
Guess what?
He's on this episode.
unidentified
What?!
He shows up later in this episode.
jordan holmes
Of course!
Of course he does, because he heard it in the ether.
He was just like, oh shit, billable hours are coming.
I gotta be there.
I gotta be there.
Billable hours!
alex jones
Billable hours!
dan friesen
Like, I don't...
Again, if I were her, I probably wouldn't sue him just because of the difficulty and how much of a burdensome process it would be.
But I think she has grounds to sue.
And we'll see as this goes along.
alex jones
Now, get ready for this.
I knew that...
Dr. Ford's grandfather, father, brother, and brother-in-law all worked high-level CIA.
jordan holmes
Harrison, Harrison II, Harrison Jr.
alex jones
That's part of the course of the psychology professors.
Then it came out that she ran recruiting programs at Stanford and one other college.
She was involved in the recruiting.
dan friesen
Can't prove that.
alex jones
Then it got even worse.
jordan holmes
How did it get worse?
alex jones
I saw a Media Matters article over the weekend attempting to debunk it, and it went ahead and admitted it all and more and said, and how dare them?
Yeah, she was in some programs to help people forget memories or have new false memories.
There were several articles.
And I went and read the study she wrote, and ladies and gentlemen...
jordan holmes
Murder, she wrote.
alex jones
Turns out, she...
Co-authored and headed up major classic MKUltra-style mind control programs.
We're talking erasing memories.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Implanting false memories.
jordan holmes
For sure.
alex jones
Programming people.
jordan holmes
She's got it all.
alex jones
Openly at Stanford.
I'm going to get into the actual program, show TV viewers the actual document.
We've posted it on Infowars.com.
jordan holmes
TV viewers?
Come on.
alex jones
Mike Adams has done an excellent job at NaturalNews.com breaking it down.
I read this last night when he sent it to me and got physically ill because I already knew all about this.
dan friesen
I was upset at my stomach.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, because he already knew all about it.
dan friesen
Sure, that makes him sick.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But you heard there at the end there, I think, one of the very important pieces that just might slide under the rug to most people, but it's that Mike Adams, the health ranger, is the one who wrote this story.
So, Mike Adams over at Natural News is Alex's source for all this.
I mean, it's basically the equivalent of Paul Joseph Watson having written the article or something like that.
He may as well be an employee of Alex's.
jordan holmes
He's the 9-11 blogger of health.
dan friesen
Exactly.
I mean, his site is just a bullshit conspiracy health site.
It's nonsense.
He's apparently super rich, and I think a large part of it is...
jordan holmes
Goddammit, these guys always are.
dan friesen
But I think one of the things that he does is he makes a lot of websites with really good URLs and good SEO kind of management, and then sells advertising on them.
So I think he has a network.
This is what I understand.
I haven't fully looked into it, but from what I understand, he has tons of URLs that are perfectly marketed for specific searches.
And so he just makes tons of money from the ads on those websites.
Which you can't hate that hustle, necessarily.
jordan holmes
That's a good game if you can run it.
dan friesen
But I dislike it in terms of one of the main ones being this site that puts out disinformation about health stuff all the time.
jordan holmes
It's so frustrating that we do a show where we study all of these people running great scams and we just don't have the lack of moral fiber to do so.
dan friesen
Yeah, whatever it is.
jordan holmes
God, we know so many great scams, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, I can look at them.
It doesn't mean I could pull them off.
Eh, we could probably pull them off.
jordan holmes
Look, if these fucking idiots can pull them off, we could probably pull at least one off.
dan friesen
It requires a certain set of skills, if you will.
unidentified
Oh?
dan friesen
And I don't have those skills.
I don't think you do either.
jordan holmes
You can have my daughter.
I have nothing to do with that.
I am sorry.
Good luck.
dan friesen
So let's let Alex talk some more about this.
alex jones
And then I saw this last night.
I already read some of the studies she'd written, but I found these.
Well, Mike Adams sent me the article.
dan friesen
So real quick, I just want to say this.
I forgot to say it before we started this next clip.
Alex talked about this Media Matters article that was trying to rebut things but accidentally made it clear that she's more guilty than he knew.
I don't care about that.
I didn't look into the Media Matters article because I'm going based on the primary sources.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Whatever the actual information is, if it's not in Mike Adams and Alex Jones' reporting, then they're not making that claim.
So whatever Media Matters might be saying, which I'm sure Alex is misrepresenting, I don't give a shit about it.
I care about what Mike Adams, the health ranger, and Alex Jones, the freedom ranger, are bringing to the table.
So that's why I have no response to the Media Matters thing.
alex jones
I don't care at all.
dan friesen
So anyway.
alex jones
And I shacked her and read it, and I knew what I was looking at, because I'd read the declassified stuff in the 70s on MKUltra, MKNaomi.
It was all that with her.
unidentified
Heading it up in plain view.
alex jones
The co-author of a mind control study to give people false memories or remove memories.
dan friesen
So, he's making this very clear.
Like, what his claim is is not changing.
It's very consistent.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He's saying that she's running these mind control studies.
It's MKUltra shit.
And I think you would have to agree with me.
That this is not at all what you would expect his angle to be.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
This is pretty wild.
jordan holmes
No, I was not going to...
I actually kind of appreciate it more.
dan friesen
Yeah, kind of.
jordan holmes
This is way better than the women are always lying about sexual assault.
I'm a bigger fan of women can actually control minds.
See, now that, I'm in.
dan friesen
Now, here's what's great about this.
He was probably saying that women are always lying a week ago.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
So I'm glad we don't have to talk about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this is fantastic.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I think this is great because it gives us an avenue to discuss Alex Jones' crazy bullshit vis-a-vis Kavanaugh and Ford.
But at the same time, we don't have to dwell too deeply in the very basic stuff that you hope humans just understand.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, but they don't.
Very, very first off.
He shouldn't be on the Supreme Court, no matter what, because of his views.
And what he is.
And behaviors.
dan friesen
Even outside of these behaviors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even outside of this shit, he should not be anywhere near anywhere ever.
dan friesen
Ever.
jordan holmes
Ever.
dan friesen
No.
Shouldn't let him in a pool supply store.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the fact that he is being supported and propped up and defended by the people who probably did the same shit that he did.
Is awful.
And the fact that they're attacking a woman who has literally...
I don't know if there's any way you can come back.
Like, her life is never the same.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
From here on out.
dan friesen
No.
And the things that Alex is doing on this episode are only making that worse.
jordan holmes
It's not that she's...
It's not that...
I don't want to say, like, oh, she's gone and ruined her life, but she has...
Done something in one moment that will irrevocably change any aspect of her life forever and ever and ever.
dan friesen
Well, you could say the guy who stood up to a tank in China irrevocably changed his life.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But he had to do that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Those sorts of things are like...
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I'm not comparing her necessarily one-to-one to that, but there are situations in life where you have to stand up no matter what.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be honest.
I don't think it's a bad comparison at all.
And I think that Trump would have been like, fucking, look, you can't trust people who stand in front of tanks.
Like, fucking fuck off.
dan friesen
I think for most of us, there's that sort of mighty, mighty boss tones mentality of like, thank God I've never had to knock on wood.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I wonder if I could do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And she's fucking sacked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Most people don't have to make that decision.
And I think that anybody who judges...
That decision, without that sort of context or understanding of it, is being remarkably disrespectful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not only to her, but just to the idea of people.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Anyways, yeah.
dan friesen
Many other people have done much better analyses of the situation, and we agree with them.
jordan holmes
But you came to Knowledge Fight to get our analysis, and that is, fuck that guy!
dan friesen
And isn't this shit crazy?
So, in this next clip, we get some familiar criticisms of Ford.
Like, the kind of things that you would expect to hear Alex say.
Because a lot of this other stuff, the mind control shit and all that, pretty crazy.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Pretty crazy.
But now we get back to some sort of like...
jordan holmes
This is just regular old, there's no bottom to how bad conservatives bullshit can be.
dan friesen
No, because it's still Alex-y, but it's like the Alex you'd expect.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
We looked into Dr. Ford, the...
unidentified
Psychologist.
jordan holmes
She loves Reagan.
dan friesen
He's a Scientologist, man.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
alex jones
She was a big Hillary supporter and gave 10 donations in the last cycle and 60 donations to other Democrats.
She's got a lot of money.
Now she's an executive with the RU486 abortion pill company worth hundreds of billions of dollars, still not on the market.
dan friesen
So, the Hillary Clinton one is, you know, that's basically what you'd expect there, 100%.
Sure, sure.
That sort of thing.
Gives money to leftists.
jordan holmes
Anybody who gives money to the left can't be trusted, which is, of course, why we need only people who believe in the right on the Supreme Court.
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
So then I was confused by this part that he brings up about being an executive for an RU486 company.
jordan holmes
Because I have no idea what that is.
dan friesen
RU-486 is basically what they term an abortion pill.
So there's the morning after pill that isn't an abortive pill.
But if you are too late for that, you can take RU-486 and it will cause an abortion to happen.
jordan holmes
It's the intermediate period between when it's too late for the morning after pill and when it's not.
Late enough for you to have to do the whole shebang where they go in there with the stuff and it's a mess.
dan friesen
And it has to do with disruption of hormones and cortisol that RU486 does.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So I was wondering about this because this is also not a criticism that I've heard.
And it's interesting because this is also based on a piece by Mike Adams that he posted in Natural News.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mike.
dan friesen
So the smoking gun that Mike has dug up is that Dr. Blasey Ford is listed as one of the authors on a couple of studies listed as publications put out by a business called Corsept, which is a pharmaceutical manufacturer that puts out Mifpristone, which is the name of RU486.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So also Alex saying it's not on the market.
jordan holmes
I mean, capitalism is crazy, but it's not that crazy.
dan friesen
I have no idea what he means by that, because RU486 has been around since...
I mean, I remember Dr. Drew talking about it on Loveline back when I was 12. Yeah.
You know, so it's been 20 years that I've been aware of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, at least since women have been able to vote.
Like, 15, 20 years ago?
That was about when we gave them the right?
dan friesen
Give or take.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Mike Adams alleges that this Corsept sells RU4E6, which is an abortion pill, and thus Ford must be lying about her accusations about Kavanaugh in order to protect abortion because of her financial stake in this business, Corsept.
jordan holmes
That tracks.
Perfectly.
dan friesen
So, if you go to Corsept's website and review the studies that have her name attached, you'll find that they are nifpristone treatment and olazepine-induced weight gain in healthy men.
Mifpristone reduces weight gain and improves metabolic abnormalities associated with risperidone treatment in normal men.
Administration of selective glucocorticoid antagonist attenuates electroconvulsive shock-induced retrograde amnesia.
Selective glucocorticoid receptor type 2 antagonists prevent weight gain caused by olanzapine in rats.
Selective glucocorticoid receptor GR antagonist reduces body weight gain in mice.
Discovery of a novel non-steroidal GR antagonist Okay, so if I understand that correctly, what she is doing is they've got this product.
jordan holmes
That is called an abortion pill.
dan friesen
Which is one use of it.
jordan holmes
Which is one use of it.
And she is like, or at least they were like, hey, what if...
We could use it for other stuff.
And she was like, yeah, sure, fuck it.
Let's see if it makes people lose weight or reduces weight gain.
dan friesen
Totally.
Because of the effect that it has that induces abortion has to do with corticoid levels.
jordan holmes
So it's almost like it's not a pill designed for one thing.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's a chemical that can be used to do all kinds of things.
And we just found out it could do one thing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, the classic example of this that I remember from when I was younger was that Wellbutrin was sold as an antidepressant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then under another name, it was sold as a smoking.
Cessation aid.
So these sorts of things in the pharmaceutical industry are very common.
So none of this research has anything to do with abortions.
It's nonsense.
So also in 2015, a Palo Alto University document lists Ford as the director of biostatistics at Corsept.
So even allowing that she might have been employed by them three years ago, that doesn't prove that she is now, which kind of hurts this motives argument that he's trying to put forth, that she's trying to protect this from a financial motive.
Further, it appears that if anything, Ford was working to study new applications of Pristone that aren't as a pill that can induce abortion.
If anything, this should be seen as proof that she has less of a motive to destroy her own life to keep abortion legal if the argument is that she's financially motivated by the interest in the company.
The article and the basis of this argument would be flimsy as hell on its own, but it's made completely unacceptable by Mike Adams'inability to stop himself from also calling for Ah, what?
You know, like most yearbooks.
Now it all becomes clear.
Christine Blasey clearly fabricated the false allegations against Kavanaugh in order to protect her own income and profits from an abortion pill drug company whose future might be impacted by Kavanaugh's confirmation on the court.
So that's what I have to say about this RU486 angle.
I think it makes no sense.
And the article that Mike Adams wrote about it is full of shit.
jordan holmes
I mean, based on that, it doesn't just remove the motive.
It actually would suggest a complete 180 degrees motive.
I don't think so.
If abortion were made illegal...
Her research would be even more important to the company because they've got this thing and they've got to find another use for it.
dan friesen
Yeah, some would, but I still don't...
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that that's a...
Look, this whole thing is bullshit, but I'm just saying that if you're going to pull that argument, then it doesn't make any fucking sense on its head.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It is only going to reinforce an argument against your own argument.
dan friesen
I think that's a fair way to put it.
It doesn't make an argument in the alternative, but it makes your argument...
The actual facts make your argument weak and slightly pull things the other direction.
Exactly.
unidentified
So anyway, Alex isn't done.
dan friesen
But I needed to get that out during the RU486 portion of this.
unidentified
Good call.
alex jones
And we looked at how she was part of a whole man-hating organization and how she's supported by Soros back groups.
dan friesen
Bingo.
unidentified
There it is.
alex jones
And how her testimony kept contradicting itself and how whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty.
And why did they sit on the allegations until right before the vote?
Instead of looking at what she did at Stanford and one other university, even currently what she does.
And she is in a public mind control operation that implants false memories and removes memories.
dan friesen
So, again, this is very clear what his assertion is.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I just want that to be driven home.
jordan holmes
She can.
dan friesen
She keeps repeating this.
jordan holmes
She can.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Implant memories that are not real.
unidentified
But she can also remove memories that are real, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, see, I don't think that that's legally actionable if you say that she can do that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because that would just be like, I'm just calling you a wizard.
You're going to sue me for that?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Prove I'm a wizard.
dan friesen
I think it is legally actionable to claim that she's involved in that sort of study for nefarious purposes and shit like that.
Right.
jordan holmes
That's a harder sue.
I wouldn't sue.
dan friesen
I wouldn't either, but I think you could.
So, finally, now we get to the point where Alex reads a little bit of Mike's report.
And now let's see what is actually in there, according to Alex.
And then I'll tell you on the other side what's in there.
alex jones
And then you read the report.
Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford ran mass hypnotic inductions.
Did you hear that?
Mass hypnotic inductions.
Putting you into a hypnotic spell.
jordan holmes
For those of you who can't see it.
alex jones
That's her words.
A psychiatric subject is part of mind control research funded by the foundation linked to...
Computational psychomatics.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Keep saying words.
alex jones
Psychosomatics neurohijacking.
jordan holmes
Keep doing it.
alex jones
Neurohijacking.
Nothing to see here.
Nothing going on.
Stunning bombshell about the hoax accusations against Brent Kavanaugh.
And you hear her say how she remembered it a few years ago.
And then told the therapist by name, but it's not in the notes.
And then the dog was there at the window, and she decided to go public.
I mean, maybe she's under mind control.
My God.
Stunning bombshell about the hoax accusations against Brett Kavanaugh.
We've now learned and confirmed that Christine Blasey Ford co-authored a science paper that involves her carrying out, quote, hypnotic inductions of psychiatric subjects as part of mind control program that cites methods to create artificial situations.
Did you hear that?
jordan holmes
Did you hear that?
alex jones
They put people into trances so deep that they are under total mind control and believe whatever they're told.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Internet sleuths are turning up an extraordinary collection of evidence that increasingly points at Christine Blasey Ford being involved in mind control programs at Stanford, writes Mike Adams, which some claim are run by the CIA.
It's DARPA funding it.
That's above the CIA.
dan friesen
He can't prove that in any way, the CIA or DARPA.
Both of those things are nowhere near proven in any of this.
jordan holmes
Also, I don't think that the hierarchy is like a DARPA is above the CIA.
dan friesen
You know who does believe that?
jordan holmes
I don't think they're related to each other.
Well, that's actually true.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I apologize that I couldn't stop waggling my eyebrows at you.
jordan holmes
There were some serious waggling.
dan friesen
They were traveling.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Can you just say, Neuro hijacking the way that he did.
alex jones
Neuro!
dan friesen
I can't.
With my throat in the shape that it's in right now, I can't do it.
jordan holmes
Neuro!
dan friesen
Hijacking!
jordan holmes
God, that's so good.
That sounds like we're in a cyberpunk future.
dan friesen
We might as well be in that movie, Hackers.
The cyberpunk past, actually, no.
One of the difficulties of being on the mend from this illness is I don't think I can do an Alex impression.
I think that would fucking destroy my neck.
alex jones
Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Don't do it.
dan friesen
Don't even attempt.
Now it's time to bear all.
I enjoyed listening to Alex repeatedly bring up that she's in mind control studies and all this, because here's the actual reality.
Alex Jones claims that he's found and read studies that Dr. Blasey Ford was engaged in at Stanford that are clear evidence of mind control, but literally...
The only study he links to in his InfoWars article is to a 2008 study where Dr. Ford was one of 11 researchers cited.
She wasn't even the lead on it.
I would guess that Alex was very intentionally not reading out the name of the study because even that would make his shit look super weak.
Here's the name of it.
Quote, Mind control!
The pilot study that she was a participant in set out to see if there were any differences in terms of outcomes for depressed patients treated with psychoeducation, which is really just a form of therapy that involves education about mental illnesses.
Yeah.
unidentified
Whether it's educating the actual patient or generally it'll be their family members and friends to help them be a support network for the person.
dan friesen
That's all psychoeducation.
jordan holmes
Let's remove any kind of mysticism around this.
This is...
Here.
You are a depressed person.
What we're going to do is we're not going to give you any medication, but we are going to talk you through what depression is experiencing, and then we're going to talk to your family so that they can understand and communicate with you better, and that way you don't feel the friction that you get whenever you're depressed all the time, where you feel like you're alone and miserable and nobody else is fucking around you.
dan friesen
There's been indications that it's more successful than just individual therapy.
But I don't know if that's a consensus opinion yet.
But it's nothing really strange.
It sounds bad.
Psycho-education.
jordan holmes
I mean, when you're depressed, your default is, I am being ostracized.
So educating the people around you gives you a workaround for that, where you're like, not only...
Not only am I not actually being ostracized, but I know that I'm not being ostracized.
dan friesen
But the term, all I'm saying is, it sounds...
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
And it's not.
That's what I'm...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So you've got psychoeducation.
That's one group in this tripartite study.
There's three groups in the study.
One is just treated as psychoeducation.
The second is meditation and yoga in addition to psychotherapy.
Yeah.
And hypnosis, again, with the addition of psychoeducation.
This is a pretty standard experiment with a control group and two variables.
There's nothing nefarious or scary about hypnosis being used in a clinical setting.
It's a very widely used therapeutic tool and absolutely nothing to do with mind control.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
I've been in therapy that's used hypnosis before, and it's been...
Sometimes a very useful tool, sometimes incredibly annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
You'll just be sitting there like, I'm not, this isn't doing anything.
Sitting there like, I am not.
Getting in any kind of comfortable state.
In fact, this is annoying me.
So, the article on InfoWars is written by the health ranger, Mike Adams, and it's a textbook case of cherry-picking words in order to warp meaning.
And it should serve as a perfect demonstration of how Mike Adams is a less trustworthy source for medical information than me, a high school dropout.
I was getting a little petty when I wrote this.
jordan holmes
You were getting a little petty.
dan friesen
I forgot about that.
jordan holmes
You were getting a little petty.
dan friesen
When I wrote this script out.
jordan holmes
That was a little petty.
dan friesen
Got to call myself out for that.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like it.
No.
And it's great.
It's great.
I do like it.
dan friesen
This all made me very mad.
So in the article, Mike says, quote, the full text of the research paper describes methods to, quote, create artificial situations.
He then goes on to start a quote from the text with an ellipsis.
Quote, assist in the retrieval of important memories and create artificial situations.
That would permit the client to express ego-dystonic emotions in a safe manner.
So, right there, the create artificial situations is what Alex quoted as being some sort of implanting false memories.
That was the implication that Alex was trying to make.
So the quote that is there that starts with the ellipsis, it sounds kind of bad, create artificial situations.
The context of that sounds a little bad, but it also sounds like bad grammar.
So I went and checked the study to see what he was talking about.
jordan holmes
Well, because the first thing I think of is Indiana Jones would be in artificial situations often.
Artifacts.
It belongs in a museum, man.
It belongs in a museum!
dan friesen
As does this rhetoric.
It's old as shit.
So it turns out that Mike caught out the beginning of that quote very intentionally.
As just before where he starts, the study is discussing how hypnosis is a legitimate therapeutic tool.
And in fact, this quote that he's pulled is not from the discussion of the study at all.
Instead, it's about the historical view of hypnosis.
Here's the quote in context.
In 1964, Abrams suggested that hypnosis could be used to improve rapport in the therapeutic relationship, assist in the retrieval of important memories, and create artificial situations that would permit the client to express ego-dystonic emotions in a safe manner.
Gotcha.
So, you have right there, he's completely taking this out of context to imply that that quote is in relation to the actual study that's being done, as opposed to it being background about the history of the use of hypnosis in therapeutic sessions.
Like, this is incredibly, this is the clunkiest thing I've ever, it's not clunky, it's intentional.
But like, if this was someone who had good faith, and was coming from a place of like, I actually believe what I'm putting down on the page, I would say that you're the most...
Right.
Like, if that's what you're pulling from this, you're doing it terribly.
But of course, it's intentional.
jordan holmes
It is kind of an interesting situation, though, there, is that he kind of gets us into this place where you ask yourself the question, should we teach people in bad faith how to read?
Or should we teach people who act in bad faith how to read?
Or should we teach people who act in bad faith how to read better?
Because he is doing both poorly.
dan friesen
I would argue that he's...
unidentified
You know?
dan friesen
I think he's actually reading well because he's cutting out the points that would show him to be a liar.
jordan holmes
Right.
But maybe he just doesn't even understand those points.
dan friesen
See, but that's what I'm talking about.
That would be what I would believe if someone was operating...
From a good faith position.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That they don't understand.
And they're just like, look at this, I'm stupid.
This is not stupid.
This is malicious.
jordan holmes
He calls himself the health ranger, though.
dan friesen
This is malicious.
I mean, we already saw the article that he wrote about the RU486 stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, you're right.
No, no.
You know what?
I'm going to go on your team here.
I think he's a bad guy.
dan friesen
So I'm guessing that Alex Jones thinks that Mike Adams' selective use of quotations and stuff like that involves mass mind control.
Because the study set up...
I had a group that was referenced to as receiving hypnosis therapy, but they also received that in a group setting.
The reasoning of the researchers is that group therapy has been shown to be very effective in treating depression, as depression often includes, as you clearly already brought up, a major element of feeling isolated, like no one understands what you're experiencing.
So putting people in a situation where they're getting this hypnosis that is just really a guided way to focus your attention and to...
Cut off peripheral stimuli.
jordan holmes
Yeah, say it's mindfulness or meditation or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Well, that's the other group.
That's the meditation group.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it's basically two slight forks of the same idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
To some extent.
One is guided hypnotic focus, and the other is meditative states you can achieve through yoga and meditation.
So he...
I don't see anything suspicious about the idea of having a group therapy session that involves hypnosis to test whether or not that provides a better outcome for treating depressed people.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't see anything suspicious there, but that is because she has implanted your mind with those memories, Dan!
dan friesen
So, in the end, here's the study's conclusion.
Quote...
The present pilot study examined whether meditation with yoga and psychoeducation or group therapy with hypnosis and psychoeducation could affect diagnostic status and /or depressive symptoms when compared to psychoeducation alone among a sample of adults suffering from long-term depression.
We found promising preliminary support for the use of these interventions to improve diagnostic status and ward off the development of further major depressive episodes.
We did not, though, demonstrate statistically significant improvement in overall symptoms to report over the course of the study.
The conclusion of the study is that meditation and yoga appears to be the most effective, but that hypnosis appears to be better than just psychotherapy.
But ultimately, their data doesn't show statistically relevant trends to state that conclusively.
Thus, it's a little strange that Mike Adams makes this declaration in his article about this study.
From the published paper, co-authored by Christine Blasey Ford, we know she's intimately familiar with mass hypnosis, self-hypnosis, and mind alteration processes, all of which are being deployed in this staged false flag assault on Brett Kavanaugh.
Through carefully crafted leaks, cover-ups, and media narratives, almost half of the nation has already been mass hypnotized into believing that an innocent man is a deranged serial rapist.
Such is the power of CIA mind control deployed on a nationwide scale.
So, you see the argument that's developed through this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because she is involved with a mass mind control study, that's what she's doing to the world.
jordan holmes
You know, that's a really fascinating thing.
dan friesen
She's a supervillain in this case.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
This is comic book shit.
To see the level by which they judge science is so fascinating to me, where they're like, eh, come on, there's no way that anybody could know anything about the climate.
I mean, obviously, yes, if they're doing a study, they can control minds.
Even if the study's results are like, well, we did a lot of stuff, and statistically, it was...
Maybe better?
It was kind of insignificant.
We would need to do more research.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's essentially what she came up with.
And what they're coming up with is, they did a study, that means they can control minds.
Now, of course, science can't do any of this other shit, but it can control fucking minds.
dan friesen
But that's what's so interesting, because, like, Alex and Mike Adams' relationship with science, at least in this...
Instance.
The way you're describing, which I think is pretty accurate.
jordan holmes
Which is that it's a super-powered magic machine!
dan friesen
Well, no, but it's the same thing with the globalists.
Like, they have to always...
Like, for every sort of nebulous force that they're up against, they have to be omnipotent and also completely fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
That's the only way that they can characterize their enemies, because that's the only space in which the con really works.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They have to be overpowered to a crazy extent, but then when it's convenient...
You can't tell anything about the climate from research and shit like that.
jordan holmes
I mean, you brought up Scientology, but it is when they reveal the limits of their imagination that you're like, well, this is fucking stupid.
Look, hey, there are these infinite beings who can travel through space and time and all this stuff.
They did fly B-25 bombers, though.
Like, what the fuck are you doing?
What are you talking about?
Your imagination is shit.
unidentified
Quit.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's even kind of like the way that I jokingly made the line with Sophia Stewart.
Like, you can't even imagine a way for your liens to be prosecuted without you paying for them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fucking figure it out.
dan friesen
Right.
Do a second draft on your bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's why they're where they are, though.
Second drafts are not their...
dan friesen
That's why L. Ron Hubbard is where he was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
First draft, best draft.
jordan holmes
Get it out the door.
dan friesen
So, this stuff isn't done yet, unfortunately.
But this is the main study.
jordan holmes
God, now I'm going to go back and listen to the Dead Authors pod.
dan friesen
You should.
jordan holmes
So fucking good.
dan friesen
Andy Daly.
jordan holmes
Andy Daly is so good as Elrod.
dan friesen
And on the pilot podcast project.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
A lot of Elrod Hubbard fun.
Anyway, so this bullshit, unfortunately, isn't done.
That's the main study that all of this idea of mind control traces back to.
But Mike Adams' article is actually about a whole lot more.
And Alex in this next clip starts to touch on that, and it's so whack.
alex jones
The Mental Insight Foundation also funded a study on inner...
jordan holmes
Space?
alex jones
...ception and neuroimaging to control the mind through biological intervention.
That means drugs, chemicals, radio waves, you name it.
And then guess what's right here?
unidentified
Boom.
alex jones
And it just gets crazier and crazier.
Projections of inner voices through sub-audible frequencies to plant voices and even emotional moods in the minds of targeted subjects.
Gee, wonder who wants that?
dan friesen
So that is from a study that Alex is, again, taking out of context.
But the stuff about the implanting voices and stuff like that, that's all from Mike Adams' article where he's talking about what the globalists have.
The idea that globalists have that weapon and shit like that.
So that's not even, like, that's whack as hell.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't...
unidentified
It's such a...
jordan holmes
How is it that we live in such a tiered world of, like, Alex doesn't even understand the words that he's saying.
Like, he doesn't understand the words that he's saying, and yet, like, you shouldn't even...
He shouldn't even be allowed to read articles about science without taking a fucking bachelor's course in that science.
Because he just doesn't understand it.
Like, in this situation, obviously he's using them in bad faith.
But he also has no idea what they're fucking talking about.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No clue!
dan friesen
And he didn't read the source stuff about it at all.
unidentified
Of course not!
dan friesen
He's literally only operating off Mike Adams.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he couldn't read the source stuff.
dan friesen
No.
And it's the same thing that he always does.
Like, with the avian flu stuff, he's operating off Paul Joseph Watson's assessment.
All of these people like Mike Adams, like Paul Joseph Watson, like Kurt Nimmo back in the day.
Like Steve Watson, all of them serve the most essential purpose, and that is that they take whatever raw material is there and turn it into fuel that Alex can use.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Alex can't use the raw material.
He's not creative enough, and he's...
Can't be bothered to read.
So he couldn't take these original articles or those studies and do this with it.
jordan holmes
You've read those studies?
They're hard to read!
dan friesen
Well, that first one actually wasn't.
jordan holmes
I mean, there are plenty, though, that are like, you read those and you're like, holy shit, this is...
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
jordan holmes
Wow, why...
Whoa, man.
You guys gotta learn how to throw fuck in there before I pay any attention to this.
dan friesen
Frequently, yes.
The study that Dr. Ford was involved in...
In 2008, by the way, this mind control study.
It was very easy to read, but I will say that the second one...
jordan holmes
That was a nicer time back then.
dan friesen
The second one was a little bit more difficult.
So at the beginning of the clip, Mike Adams, he's making this argument that this group, the Mental Insight Foundation, funded the original study from 2008 that Dr. Ford is involved in, and another study on interception.
jordan holmes
So you could say they're a bit miffed.
dan friesen
I'm sorry, interoception.
Yeah, I get you.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Good acronym, work.
So, they're trying to bridge the gap between these two, but at no point do they prove that MIF was involved with Dr. Ford's study.
And simultaneously, they don't even prove or try to prove that the second study that they're talking about, Dr. Ford had anything to do with, or that it was even involving Stanford.
Or anything.
So here is Alex talking about this second study.
And I will tell you this ahead of time.
All he's doing is looking at a diagram from the study and imagining what it means.
alex jones
But then it gets even crazier.
You've got to go read this.
It gets into the different waves to hit the heart.
The amplitude to hit different organs.
To attack the stomach.
To attack the brain.
And it talks about, in this huge paper...
Vagus nerve stimulation, presentation of information during different phases of visceral rhythms, an assessment, and it goes all through different waves, like I told you, to mind control you.
Look at these documents.
dan friesen
I did.
So the important thing is that this document, the study, it does include a picture of the human body.
jordan holmes
Yes, good.
dan friesen
And then there's pictures of different organs.
And then waveforms next to them.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And it's very clear from the study that what they're doing is talking about a hypothetical example of the amplitude modulation signal superimposed on a static frequency.
They're talking about the sort of homeostatic rhythm that those organs are in.
It's important because this article, and it's not...
So...
jordan holmes
So he kind of thinks that it's waves that are happening to you.
He thinks it's...
Which would be fun.
I would even be better if he thought they were stink lines.
He was like, this is how bad the liver stinks.
Like, I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
And Mike Adams is facilitating that misunderstanding.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So the first one, the first article is weak shit.
And if anybody looked it up, they would see that the title of it is Yoga, Meditation, Hypnosis.
As a treatment for depression.
And if they read it, they would find the conclusion being, you know, maybe.
jordan holmes
Not statistically significant, though.
It's a sigma.
dan friesen
And they would see that Dr. Ford is one of 11 participants in this.
It has nothing to do with anything nefarious at all.
So that was weak shit.
That didn't demonstrate any of the things that Alex or Mike are claiming it does.
Because that's the case, they have to dig a little deeper, and in doing so, they come up with the most flimsy connection to Dr. Ford to make their argument.
Quote from Mike Adams, If you venture even deeper down this rabbit hole, you find that the same Mental Insight Foundation that funded the Mass Hypnosis Mind Control Study, on which Christine Ford work, also helped fund another study called Interoception and Mental Health, a Roadmap.
One problem is that this article, nor any of its links, prove that Mental Insight Foundation funded the depression study that Dr. Ford was involved in.
From everything I can tell, this is speculative and unfounded, and if it's true, it doesn't mean anything.
But from that shaky start, Health Ranger then tries to make Ford look super suspicious because the company that allegedly provided funding for a study she was one of 11 researchers on did another study that she wasn't involved in.
Ten years later, the Mike Adams is scared of.
jordan holmes
Smoking gun!
dan friesen
Even if everything he's saying there is true, it has zero to do with Ford.
This is deeply disgraceful and so fucking unprofessional.
Because this shit is weak too, Mike Adams has to play a three-card Monty game with this article in order to distract the reader from realizing he's saying nothing.
He brings up the Interoception article, which I'll talk about in a minute.
Then he quickly goes to how the globalists have created sonic weapons in order to implant that idea in his readers' heads about what the article must be about.
And that's what Alex is reading on air, talking about what he believes this study to be about.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So Mike Adams throws up a graphic where there are wiggle lines, and then, unrelated to that, says, you know...
Sonic weapons are real, and then comes back to it as though those two were related.
Instead, sonic weapons are like a non-sequitur in this whole situation.
dan friesen
Only to be precise about it, he brings up sonic weapons early, so that idea is implanted in your mind, so later when he puts that graphic on, you're like, squiggly lines.
jordan holmes
Squiggly lines, sonic weapons.
dan friesen
Makes sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, perfect.
unidentified
Good work, dude.
dan friesen
So he's introduced the premise of this idea that...
The Mental Insight Foundation has done both of these studies, and Ford is involved.
jordan holmes
Which he does not prove.
dan friesen
Not at all.
So then he brings up the sonic weapons and goes, like I said, he's implanting that in your mind.
jordan holmes
Right, which don't exist.
dan friesen
Then he executes this main sleight of hand, one that is unbelievably dishonest.
After implanting the idea of sonic weapons in his reader's head, he says, quote, Getting back to Christine Blasey Ford's work in interoception neuroimaging, the paper funded by Mental Insight Foundation openly admits that the neuroimaging roadmap can alter decisions, behavior, and even consciousness.
It explains, quote, recent years have witnessed a surge of interest on the topic of interoception due in part to findings highlighting its integral role in emotional experience, self-regulation, decision-making, and consciousness.
Importantly, interoception is not limited to the conscious perception or even unique to the human.
Dr. Ford has zero to do with this article about interoception and neuroimaging.
Nothing to do with it.
Her name isn't on it.
No organization that she's involved in is involved in this article.
So getting back to Christine Blasey Ford's work on interoception neuroimaging is a dishonest, deceitful way to present this.
jordan holmes
So, oh shit.
So he pulls the trifecta.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He goes, unrelated thing up top.
Yeah.
unidentified
By the way, while you're thinking about that unrelated thing.
dan friesen
Sonic weapons.
jordan holmes
Thing that isn't real.
dan friesen
Now, let me remind you that she's involved in all this.
jordan holmes
Getting back to the thing that she was not involved in, but I'm just going to say, getting back to Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, and then grammatically, you have no choice but to accept that when I say, and, ba-da-da.
unidentified
And...
jordan holmes
You think I'm connecting those two things together.
However, I'm really not saying that they're related at all.
dan friesen
He doesn't even go that far.
He doesn't say and...
He's very clearly, just from grammar, saying that she was involved in this study.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Which isn't a study, by the way.
jordan holmes
Dude, you could do better than that.
dan friesen
That's why I say the sleight of hand is unprofessional as hell and disgusting.
It's trying to paint a picture that is absolutely not real.
jordan holmes
That's why he's the health ranger, not the health colonel.
dan friesen
She's only involved in that study about yoga and depression that Mike linked to in his article.
It's only linked in the article by claiming that this company funded them 10 years apart.
But he didn't even prove that.
So additionally, this article about interoception is not about what Mike is claiming.
Interoception is basically just the internal perceptions of what one's body is experiencing.
Essentially, it's a word used to describe how the information from your body goes to your brain from your experiential organs and what have you.
And this paper, which is not a study, it's a paper, just describes how external input is interpreted by the body and is in turn experienced by the brain.
Ultimately, my interoceptive feeling today is one of fury, because Mike Adams got me to read this long, boring science article for no reason.
Even if it was about mind control, which it's not, it has nothing to do with Dr. Ford or anyone she's been shown to be involved with.
Mike Adams is not a doctor.
Nor does he have any qualifications.
But because he calls himself the Health Ranger and runs a bullshit medical conspiracy website, Alex brings him in to lend some authority to his disgraceful, embarrassing charade solely intended to create a grand conspiracy around Dr. Blasey Ford.
Not believing her is not cruel enough for people like Alex.
Not caring is not cruel enough for people like Alex.
His lust for being a horrible person is not satisfied unless he publicly argues that her story and her pain are actually an attack on himself and all.
no further words to describe it.
unidentified
It is shameful.
dan friesen
Now, there's a little bit more.
jordan holmes
You know, you did get it right, I think, right there, this entire thing.
If, like, to the point where the only reason, because you have to think about this and you're like, There are other judges who would be just as awful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There are so many other judges who would be just as awful.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
But this isn't about him being judged.
This is about...
unidentified
This is about men.
jordan holmes
This is about men destroying...
dan friesen
And implicitly white men.
jordan holmes
These dudes...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely white men.
dan friesen
It's not explicit, but it's implicit.
jordan holmes
I mean, Clarence...
Clarence Thomas is in there.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Clarence Thomas.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
It's about them.
I feel like this is probably not true, but if you go to a place in your head, hypothetically, where it's like some guy goes in front of Congress and is like...
This dude was drunk all the time.
He has terrible decision making.
He cheated and all that stuff.
There would be none of this reaction.
But because it was a woman and it was specifically about sexual violence, every one of these dudes, every single one of them in the fucking planet who are predisposed to say that...
Women can never experience it.
And if they do, they were asking for it.
So it's always their fault.
All of those dudes came out of the woodwork on this subconscious level of just screaming like, it's not real.
That's what all of these guys are screaming.
It is not real ever.
It is not possible to do this because women...
Are either asking for it, and then it's their fault, or they're lying about it, and it's double their fault.
dan friesen
Well, and then the third thing is, or we just don't care.
jordan holmes
Or we just don't care.
dan friesen
And that's sort of the main...
jordan holmes
Which is where Jeff Flake is.
dan friesen
That's sort of the mainstream right, especially...
jordan holmes
And Susan Collins, and yeah.
dan friesen
That's sort of where a lot of those people are, but because Alex demands to be special in some way, and the only way he can express his specialness anymore in the Trump era is by abject cruelty.
That's not good enough for him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He needs to double down, and this is his manifestation of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's really funny.
We can laugh a ton about the idea of him coming on air and being like, she's a fucking mind control or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But the motivation behind it is deeply cruel.
The motivation behind it is deeply abusive.
And I think he takes as read that it didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Or that he doesn't care even if it did.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So all of the stuff that offends most people Right-thinking people is just, like, implied.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We don't even need to worry about that.
dan friesen
Not only that, but...
jordan holmes
Look, if you want to just hear about how all women are lying about this shit, go somewhere else.
Let me tell you about what's really going on.
She's lying about that shit, but that's also because she can control minds!
dan friesen
And, as is made clear in that Mike Adams article, the entire charade, the entire thing of her coming and speaking to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Is an attempt.
And also the stories that have come out about it.
It's all a mass hypnosis campaign that's being perpetrated on the public.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's a way to invalidate everything.
jordan holmes
So even if you are somebody who normally supports conservatives, normally supports everybody, but you listen to her testimony and you realize, holy shit, I can hear a human being's voice and a human being's voice that has experienced pain.
And even as far gone as I am, there's something intrinsic about when a human voice cries out in pain that I identify with.
Let me tell you what I got for you, sir!
dan friesen
You're a mind-controlled victim.
jordan holmes
You are a moment of empathy!
Guess what I got for that?
Mind control, baby!
unidentified
Get rid of that empathy and go back to hating women all you want!
dan friesen
So, um...
That's about where I want to talk about this at.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now I want to talk a little bit more about how bad a fucking dude Mike Adams is.
jordan holmes
Let's fucking...
This guy needs to die.
dan friesen
Well, I'll do...
jordan holmes
I think...
Well, hold on.
That's me.
dan friesen
Have his testicles cut off.
jordan holmes
Me and this Georgetown Lumberville.
dan friesen
Sorry, I stepped on your joke there.
jordan holmes
You didn't step on it, you crushed it.
dan friesen
So I'm not going to give you a breakdown of Mike Adams' greatest hits or anything like that.
We can save that for another day.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
But I started to get a real whiff of how bad a fucking writer he is, how bad of a storyteller he is within the...
Yeah, why would you?
And so, it's really funny how shitty a researcher Mike Adams is.
He's trying to paint this organization Mental Insight Foundation as some kind of arch-villain group in this article.
So he shows off his ability to Google things and then imply shit about what he's found.
jordan holmes
That's a good skill.
dan friesen
It's so funny.
Throughout this entire article, he says things like this.
Quote, He just got done.
He just got done in this article saying that they're trying to control your minds and that Dr. Ford's testimony was a literal attempt to brain control the country.
But also he has to make sure you know that he's not alleging any nefarious or unethical activities.
jordan holmes
Hey.
Hey, come on.
dan friesen
So then he ends up listing a bunch of...
jordan holmes
Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And there's no...
Yeah.
dan friesen
At this point, Mike really steps in it.
The Mental Insight Foundation took in a whopping $18 million in 2015, according to tax records.
Its address is 538 Broadway, Suite A, Sonoma, California, which appears to be a single-family house.
This is complete bullshit.
You can go to Google Street View and see that the address is in the commercial downtown district in Sonoma, California.
It's across the street from Sonoma Valley Museum of Art and is exactly 463 feet away from Sonoma Plaza, the literal town square.
Not to mention that Suite A is part of the address, which generally isn't a feature of single-family homes.
Also, you can find that Vintrace, a company that sells software to help vineyards run, is located in Suite B. But maybe...
Maybe that Vintrace is just a front for Dr. Ford's mind control weapon program.
jordan holmes
No, it's just a bigger family.
dan friesen
So then Mike gets really conspiratorial at this point.
Quote, that address...
jordan holmes
Vintrace?
dan friesen
Vintrace.
jordan holmes
Vintrace?
I want to hear more about them.
dan friesen
I like them.
I looked into it a little bit.
I don't fully understand it because I don't run a fucking finger.
But it's like a specialized software that vineyards can use in order to keep track of supply and when grapes need to be harvested and shit.
jordan holmes
That's awesome!
Yeah.
Absolutely nefarious, then.
dan friesen
You know what it is?
It's exactly the same sort of software I've encountered in other jobs that are, like, super specialized for one thing that no one else would know about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, here's a basic thing, and then we took this basic thing and we made it super specific, and there you go.
dan friesen
We all know single-family homes that are in suite B when Vintrace corporate office is in suite B. Dude, you hate it.
jordan holmes
You hate the moment when you have to grab your broom and you start pounding on the ceiling and you're like, quit learning about vineyards up there!
dan friesen
So it gets even worse.
Quote, that address is the exact same address listed by Virginia Hubble Associates, a small firm that says it offers, quote, consulting services for family foundations.
If Mike had done any research, he would know that they share an office and operate as the same business.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's the same place?
dan friesen
I called them.
jordan holmes
Of course you did.
dan friesen
Of course you did.
I've never called anybody on their show.
unidentified
Of course you did.
dan friesen
But their phone number was publicly available, so I called them.
I called them right around lunchtime, and I got the answering machine.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And they said, thank you for calling Virginia Hubble slash Mental Insight Foundation.
It's the same fucking company.
jordan holmes
Well, you know what?
You left off the last part of that message, which is it's me, Marilyn, and the kids, and we're just running these two separate financial businesses.
dan friesen
Don't call it dinner time.
If Mike had looked into this at all, he also could have fined the MIF's 2006 tax forms that clearly show that Virginia Hubble Associates is listed as the foundation managers of their organization.
There's nothing weird about this.
Virginia Hubble Associates is a larger umbrella consultancy business, and MIF is an entity that awards grants to various organizations.
Right.
unidentified
A lot of arts programs.
dan friesen
Right.
stuff.
unidentified
Mind control!
dan friesen
Mike goes on to list seven of the businesses that Virginia Hubble lists as clients.
Curious that he chooses only to include the seven, quote, corporate clients and not list, let's say, the city of Albuquerque.
jordan holmes
Ha ha ha ha!
That is why people from Albuquerque are fucked up.
You just explained everything.
dan friesen
The city of Sonoma.
jordan holmes
Further proof.
dan friesen
Wine country.
The city of Reno.
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
Or Berkeley Child Art Institute.
jordan holmes
Who knows what those kids are up to?
dan friesen
Or the Community Gardens Project.
jordan holmes
Those gardens are made of mind control!
dan friesen
Or Starcross Community.
Romanian babies health and welfare.
jordan holmes
You know what?
They're never going to fall in love.
dan friesen
It's a special place in my heart because I spent a little bit of time growing up in Bucharest.
So, shout out Romania.
He lists the clients that he does solely so he can make this speculation.
Quote, most of the clients appear to be genuinely helpful organizations for society, but they're probably worth a second look from internet researchers.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Notably, the Levi Strauss Corporation recently came out in favor of destroying the Second Amendment by pushing gun control.
That's super weak.
Levi Strauss is one of the clients of the Virginia Hubble associates.
That's one of their setups.
jordan holmes
No, I picked that one up.
dan friesen
So yeah, he's like, they want to destroy the Second Amendment, which they don't.
They just have expressed support for Colin Kaepernick.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, obviously that means...
dan friesen
Man, everybody's dumb.
Mike goes on to flail wildly about nothing.
Quote, statement 11 of the document, he's talking about their, like, tax returns, lists the officers, directors, trustees, and key employees of the Mental Insight Foundation.
Notably...
They're all paid nothing except for the treasurer.
In other words, most of the directors are paid nothing.
But the management consultant, Virginia Hubble Associates, is paid $341,000.
We're not alleging any unscrupulous activities among these individuals.
They're public officers of a public foundation, listed in a public document.
These individuals are, and he lists off the officers, many of whom are named Kimpton, which is not suspicious, unless you're the health ranger.
Because Mike then says, No, it's not!
I would say there's nothing legal about this, yes.
And there's nothing interesting to note.
jordan holmes
It's nothing interesting!
dan friesen
The Kempton family is exorbitantly rich.
But they aren't old money rich.
The patriarch of the family, Bill Kempton, came from humble roots.
He went to the army, and after he got out, he became a typewriter salesman.
jordan holmes
Wait, I assume you're not reading from Mike Adams' article anymore.
dan friesen
Nope, this is my research into the Kempton family.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, I was like, if Mike Adams just went into the history of the Kempton family, that would be a really interesting...
dan friesen
Mike Adams' research for this article is so bad that I feel the need to show off by telling you about the history of the Kempton family.
The patriarch of the family, Bill Kimpton, came from humble roots.
He went to the army, and then when he got out, he became a typewriter salesman.
He eventually got into investment banking and made a whole lot of money, which he used to make even more money by opening the Kimpton family of hotels.
jordan holmes
Isn't that amazing that there was a time where you could go from being a typewriter salesman to investment banker?
Just like, ah, you know what?
This door-to-door typewriting isn't working out.
This shit is heavy.
I guess I'll invest in Apple.
dan friesen
Right.
So now he created this hotel group, which represents now over 35 high-end hotels and 29 restaurants.
But money was not his God.
Quote, Once during an interview with Success Magazine, he stressed his belief that in America, success was overly tied to earning money.
Real success, he said, came from devoting oneself fully to family and friends.
In that sense, he said, I've been partially successful.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, this guy is right on it!
dan friesen
Quote, Mr. Kimpton founded the Mental Insight Foundation in 1996 and has funded a number of research projects into various forms of mental illness.
The foundation has particular interest in treating depression using therapy and meditation as alternatives to simply using prescription drugs, which is something that Alex should be super in favor of.
jordan holmes
You would think?
dan friesen
Based on his whole anti-meds standpoint.
Kempton and his life's work should be something that Alex is 100% on board with.
Bill died in April of 2001, and the Mental Insight Foundation lives on in the stewardship of his wife Isabel, his son Graham Kempton, his daughter Laura Kempton, her husband Len Delamico, and other family members that I can't quite sort out who they are.
jordan holmes
You know what's crazy?
Bill Kempton was actually Sophia's mentor for a while there.
dan friesen
Could be.
There's nothing strange in seeing this family's hotel group donating to this family's charity.
All this information is publicly available, and Mike could have learned any of this if he cared about the story he was reporting at all.
jordan holmes
You could have just Googled Kempton.
dan friesen
Mike goes on to say, quote, the foundation donated money to the following groups.
We're not alleging anything nefarious on this list, by the way.
jordan holmes
Man, you really shouldn't need to put so many disclaimers in one article unless...
You're lying out your ass about it, right?
dan friesen
You know why he's doing that, though?
Because he knows...
jordan holmes
Because he's lying out his ass about it!
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
And he also knows how unhinged the people who are the internet researchers that might follow up with these leads are.
jordan holmes
We want internet researchers to go to the Kempton family's house and then pull a gun on them and then fire into the wall.
unidentified
Maybe not that far.
jordan holmes
It's not that big a deal.
dan friesen
Maybe not that far, but he is encouraging the potential harassment of these philanthropists.
jordan holmes
Kemptongate!
dan friesen
Right.
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he's preemptively creating damage control in the article.
We're not saying anything bad here.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But maybe this is interesting.
This is pathetic.
jordan holmes
And he was probably pissed that he had to put it in there in the first place.
He was probably like...
dan friesen
Because that one keeps getting sued.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
He's watching everybody else get sued and he's like, God damn it, I can't even make these claims full of...
dan friesen
He got in a bunch of hot water because he's the guy who created Hogwatch, that website that was entirely about harassing David Hogg in the aftermath of the Parkland shooting.
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
He created Hogwatch.com.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If that was just a webcam of some hogs, that would actually probably be great.
dan friesen
Oh, by the way, our friend Sarah Shockey of the great Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling podcast tweeted something recently about there's a fat bear watch week or something like that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That the national parks put on.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
Where they have, like, eyes on fat bears.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
See?
Now this is what hog watch could have been.
dan friesen
See, that...
jordan holmes
Adams, you stole hog watch from us?
dan friesen
Fat Bear Watching and Gritty, the mascot, are the only things I care about.
jordan holmes
The Phillies?
dan friesen
Those are the only things that gives me hope.
jordan holmes
Those are doing great.
Fat Bear Watch?
Wasn't there an Eagles?
dan friesen
So much better than Shark Week.
Fat Bears.
jordan holmes
Oh, Fat Bears.
Come on.
Well, Shark Week, it's just because we're so familiar with Shark Week now.
dan friesen
True, true.
jordan holmes
Dan, I hate to say this, but I think we're getting into a very bear v.
shark conversation right now.
unidentified
I think we are.
dan friesen
Is this a Bekelder moment?
jordan holmes
This is a Bekelder moment.
dan friesen
So, I want to just nail this home.
Reading over Mike Adams work all I have to say is that this is the definition of pathetic sloppy amateurish research as someone who takes hours and hours getting to the bottom of these stories that Alex and his ilk spin I'm personally offended by how lazy and childish this article that Mike Adams put out is there's literally no substance other than outright lies and Irresponsible conjecture that he could disprove with 10 minutes of work fuck him and fuck Alex Jones Oh, yeah.
It's very clear.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
You know what, Dan?
Sometimes you gotta just pull out all the stops to confirm a monster to the Supreme Court.
I guess so.
dan friesen
Alex actually, later in the episode, puts all his cards on the table accidentally when a caller calls in and makes it very abundantly clear that the only reason that you fight hard for Kavanaugh is because he supports the Trump agenda.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex literally says, Kavanaugh has told Trump...
That he's going to push his agenda.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which, if that's true, that's disqualifying.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much the only thing that...
dan friesen
That's disqualifying.
I would hate that if a judge said that to Obama.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Like, I would hate that if a judge said that to the greatest liberal possible candidate.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, if a dream liberal...
President was in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they had a...
Nah, I'm not sure about that.
jordan holmes
No, come on.
After the first couple of purges, it would be great.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You give it a couple of years, we get rid of...
dan friesen
You haven't heard from the past.
jordan holmes
We get rid of a lot of folk.
Don't worry about it.
unidentified
It'll be fine.
dan friesen
You need to read more.
jordan holmes
Nah, nah, nah.
unidentified
Come on, come on, come on.
dan friesen
The thing is, yeah, it's like an ideal president in there.
If they had some sort of backdoor meeting or backroom meeting with a potential Supreme Court candidate and they said, I'm going to push your agenda through, I would say that's absolutely disqualifying, even though I agree with the agenda.
That is not how the courts should work.
jordan holmes
But that's the point of what we're living through right now, is that it's becoming absolute...
dan friesen
It's war, and one side doesn't recognize it's war.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, exactly.
No, you absolutely fucking nailed it.
dan friesen
One side is complacent to some extent, and I'm not advocating for treating it like war outside of recognizing that the other side sees it that way.
I don't think that right-thinking normal people should see it as war, but I think everyone should prepare themselves to actually fucking protest.
I don't mean that in any...
Hey, let's go set fire to a building.
Nothing like that.
jordan holmes
As long as there isn't anybody in there.
dan friesen
No, I'm saying...
Wait, what?
I'm saying that, you know, we might end up seeing 1968 conventions again.
You know?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We might be in that position where we all on the left need to get ready to get hit.
jordan holmes
What do you mean, might?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
We're there.
dan friesen
Yep.
And we need to get real with it, because the other side is fucking real.
jordan holmes
They've been real for fucking...
Ten years now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They saw a black man get elected president and they decided that that was the day that they declared war.
And we were all like, well, a black man is declared president, so maybe things are going to be better now.
And they've just been fucking fighting a war that we thought was salt.
dan friesen
I think that we, maybe, I can't speak for everybody, but I think that a lot of people on the left probably thought like, well, this will be like a version therapy.
You know, like, you're scared of spiders.
Go in a room with spiders.
You know, like, my brother keeps bees.
He has a bee house at his house.
I'm terrified of bees.
jordan holmes
As does friend of the show Matt Drafke.
dan friesen
But going to the bee house and standing next to it and the bees not fucking with me, recognizing that generally bees have business.
They're doing something.
The idea is them flying all around me and not touching me.
Like, I'm not fucking with them.
They're not fucking with me.
That is a form of aversion therapy.
And we're kind of hoping that the idea of, like, a black man being in office is very scary to you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But deal with it.
jordan holmes
See, all that stuff that you thought was going to happen, it didn't happen.
Now we're fine, right?
And instead they were just like, no, it did happen, so let's do it.
dan friesen
That didn't work.
No.
Propaganda and information warfare of the like that Alex puts out into the world is too effective.
And it doesn't respond to reality.
It responds to what is the message.
What is the targeted attack.
So I'm going to skip this next clip because we've already talked about all these studies and it's fucking bullshit.
We don't need to talk about it more.
But suffice it to say, in this clip that I'm going to skip, Alex says that she advocates torture methods in one of these studies.
jordan holmes
Oh!
Oh, does she?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's so unusual!
dan friesen
But the specific language that he uses allows me to trace down where in the study he's talking about.
And actually it's a...
Paragraph about using flotation tanks as a therapeutic method.
Great.
jordan holmes
Good work, guys.
dan friesen
Well, because they're, like, flotation tanks do, like, they're talking about it in the context of, like, it could create an emotional response.
It could create anxiety.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's an isolation tank as well as a flotation.
It's not like, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
I get that.
dan friesen
Mike Adams has warped that, and Alex is warping it to report it.
jordan holmes
There's a big difference between saying, hey, get alone in this tank.
By yourself and deal with your own thoughts.
And, uh, hey, we're gonna pour water in your throat to torture you.
dan friesen
Or there's even a difference between, like, being forced to be in an isolation tank and choosing to.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
It's called the United States Justice System.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, uh, here we go.
Let's get back into it.
Alex has, uh, claims to reiterate.
alex jones
Folks, I can hardly even read this.
It's so stunning.
This is just some of the papers.
This is some of what we're dealing with.
And, of course, she is literally a mind-control doctor in a giant CIA university-studded program for false memories now trying to destroy the Supreme Court nominee.
dan friesen
My God, this is beyond 2 plus 2 equals 4. I think he meant to say 2 plus 2 equals 5, because that's a sort of normal thing, but he just kind of fucked it up there.
jordan holmes
No, it's beyond 2 plus 2 equals 4, which means it's 2 plus 2 equals 5, Dan.
dan friesen
2 plus 2 equals 6. What?!
jordan holmes
How dare you?!
What is this?
What is this, non-Euclidean geometry?
Get the fuck out of here!
dan friesen
On a recent episode, Alex called himself the Ministry of Truth, which is the people who put out 2 plus 2 equals 5 in 1984, so...
Not sure what I think about anything anymore.
So, Jordan...
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what I think about the truth.
Don't matter.
dan friesen
So, I told you earlier that lawyer to the Nazi stars and Alex Jones, Mark Randazzo, shows up on the show a little bit later.
jordan holmes
That's his name, Mark Randazzo.
dan friesen
He shows up, and we have gotten to that point, and let's see why he's on the show.
alex jones
You know, a real liberal, a good liberal, is Mark Randazzo, probably the top First Amendment lawyer in the country.
He certainly has the most courage.
And I've got him on about a brief statement here, and then we'll get into some other issues while we have him.
We have filed an action in defense of our rights in California, in San Francisco, dealing with PayPal.
Because they tell us the last day we can use them is Thursday.
And so we filed an injunction.
Infowars files an emergency injunction against PayPal in federal court.
dan friesen
So, if anyone out there doesn't know about this, Alex Jones has been kicked off PayPal as a processor for his...
His wares that he sells online or what have you.
Interestingly, he's been kicked off everything else.
Didn't sue anybody else.
He chose, this is the one I'm going to fucking fight about because it's the one that really cuts into my fucking bottom line.
jordan holmes
It could be because it has something to do with money, Dan.
dan friesen
So I've read his entire brief because they posted that online.
They posted the complaint that they filed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And largely what it's...
jordan holmes
Stop it!
Lies!
unidentified
Stop!
jordan holmes
Don't take me on PayPal!
Stop!
Come on!
No!
dan friesen
Not far off.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It seems to boil down to two arguments.
One of them is about the idea that his civil rights are being violated.
jordan holmes
Doesn't sound right.
dan friesen
Because they are targeting him because of his political beliefs.
Now, in terms of the protected classes, political beliefs is not one of them.
Oh, yeah?
Just because it's not listed as one of the classes in the actual text...
jordan holmes
Doesn't necessarily mean that it could not be deemed one later on.
dan friesen
Interpretation of it does include...
Sexual orientation isn't listed in it, but it's interpreted as being included.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
So the idea on that basis is like, you can make an argument.
I don't think that's what PayPal or any of these people are doing.
I don't think it's about your politics.
I think it's about how you keep...
Doing things like you're doing on this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if his argument was like, oh, PayPal is only attacking me because I support Brett Kavanaugh.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You're like, alright, well, no.
That's probably not okay.
dan friesen
Or, like, you could make...
jordan holmes
Probably is in huge scare quotes.
dan friesen
If you wanted to make the argument of something like, I got kicked off because I believe in trickle-down economics.
I believe in small government.
I believe in the right to own guns.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think that you, like, if that did happen, I don't think it would ever would, but if that did happen, I think you could use that Unruh Human Rights, Civil Rights Act in order to make that argument.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the reason that people aren't kicking Alex off is because he keeps being a fucking dick that ruins people's lives through lies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they don't need to prove a criminal act in order to kick him off their platform.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's not like they're a bank or anything like that.
They're just a financial transaction entity.
So they can do that all they want.
I think he's going to have a problem with that because it's not his political beliefs that are getting him kicked off.
It's his actions.
So his second argument that he's trying to make in this brief is that Infowars.com is the news site.
Infowarsstore.com is not political.
And that is the only site that uses PayPal.
So PayPal is punishing him by cutting off Infowarsstore.com for off-platform content.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
This is an interesting argument.
jordan holmes
That is an interesting argument.
dan friesen
I think anyone outside of a courtroom would say, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But inside a courtroom, I don't know how that works.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
No, no, no.
Because I can absolutely understand where that argument is coming from.
dan friesen
Right.
They're both owned by Free Speech Systems Incorporated, so it's tough to see a disconnect between the two as being operated as separate entities.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But sure, he doesn't post harassing content on Infowarsstore.com.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
And they make the argument in the brief that, like, all of the, everything that has to do with the sales is just linked from Infowars.com.
None of it is hosted on there.
So all of the PayPal stuff is all on Infowarsstore.com.
jordan holmes
That's a less compelling argument.
dan friesen
I think he's going to lose that too, but it's more interesting, at least.
It's at least like, ah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I see what you're doing there.
jordan holmes
No, see, that's interesting.
I'm like, that's sneaky.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
That's a classic loophole where you're like, oh, you got me.
jordan holmes
We didn't write that into the law first because when we wrote the law, we didn't realize that you were full of bullshit like this.
Yeah, because if we had written those laws, we were like, oh, and also if you have a URL that's similar.
dan friesen
I'd also like to be deposed in this case.
I would like them to subpoena me because I would like to give testimony about the fortifiedsupply.com that Alex was running, that illegal sales website.
jordan holmes
I wonder if they're allowed to use PayPal.
dan friesen
I think they did.
Yeah, I think they did.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
They absolutely did.
But then, after we started reporting on it, he changed it to Infowars Survival.
jordan holmes
Oh, isn't that surprising?
dan friesen
Weird.
jordan holmes
Weird how that changed so quick.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, that's why Mark Rondazzo is on, to talk about how they're suing PayPal.
It's not going to work, although I'm interested in it more than a lot of his other lawsuits.
And I'm not interested all that much, because, like, I see it as a desperation act, because it's all he can do.
He knows he's probably going to lose it, but because he's putting this legal action into place, he's allowed to use PayPal for two weeks longer.
Because there's an injunction if he creates this legal action.
jordan holmes
Until we see the results of this court case, we cannot kick you off PayPal.
dan friesen
There's a decent chance that that's the game he's playing just on his own.
And maybe that'll buy him enough time to set up something else.
Have Mike Adams set up his own PayPal clone?
Like he's done with real.video?
jordan holmes
Hey, hold on.
That's a completely different thing.
dan friesen
Real.money.
jordan holmes
Ah, it's different.
dan friesen
Sure.
Or maybe go back and fucking, I don't know, get back into gold.
So, I don't know, man.
Now, this is where things go really funny.
Mark Randazzo sucks.
He does suck.
But...
He doesn't suck that much.
jordan holmes
Now, here's my theory.
Mark Randazzo is actually great.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And he's figured out the game.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
And he has taken these...
Like, he has taken these fucking...
What are the...
Remoras?
What are the ones that...
The little fish that suckle on the shark and keep it clean?
Damn it.
dan friesen
The algae eaters?
jordan holmes
No!
God damn it.
dan friesen
I know what you're talking about.
Those sort of symbiotic parasites.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He's figured out that those guys are never going to get the lawyers that the sharks actually have.
So he's like, oh, I'll fucking lawyer up on these dudes?
No big deal.
Like, if he is filing this lawsuit, the best thing that he could do to say to Alex Jones was, don't make me file this lawsuit.
We're going to lose.
But!
He does not make any money if he says, don't file this lawsuit, we're going to lose.
dan friesen
You've already expressed it on this very episode, the billable hours, billable hours, billable hours.
jordan holmes
Billable hours!
God, he's smart!
dan friesen
Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
unidentified
And this is a great place to go because he's fucking desperate.
But...
dan friesen
If he was super craven and just some sort of a whore for the billable hours and a whore for all this stuff, he'd probably kiss Alex's ass a little more than he does.
This clip where Alex is going to compare himself to someone it is very unfair for him to compare himself to.
jordan holmes
Martin Luther King Jr.?
dan friesen
Close.
Mark has a great response.
alex jones
This whole move by whole industries to bar people from the marketplace, it really smacks of not letting black folks eat at the lunch counters.
Oh my God.
unidentified
I wouldn't go that far.
dan friesen
I also would not go that far.
jordan holmes
That's the place of superiority you get to live in when you're that guy.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
I love it.
I love it.
You get to shit on these people.
You get to charge them all this money.
You know you're going to lose.
He's in a great spot.
dan friesen
And publicly, I will not agree with that statement.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
Privately, I might be like, you bet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
If we were in our office, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's exactly like black people.
Anyways, so the check clears on...
dan friesen
Did you see this paper?
Did you see this paper?
jordan holmes
So, like, it is...
dan friesen
There's a lot of numbers on it.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to lie to you.
There are a few zeros on this that you did not maybe expect there were going to be.
Anyways, we're going to win this case, buddy.
We're going to do it.
dan friesen
Sign it.
jordan holmes
Sign it.
We're going to win it.
Sign it.
Sign it.
dan friesen
That comparison to black people not being allowed to eat places is bad.
This next comparison might be worse.
alex jones
Listen, we have to fight back.
Everybody knows that if you get a big mega system and the big banks link up and they start denying people the right to commerce simply because of who they claim you are when you haven't committed a crime or done anything wrong or engaged in fraud, it's true persecution.
It's Hitler's dream.
First thing Hitler did was start curtailing how Jews and others could do business.
jordan holmes
Hitler, whom you've called a complete badass.
alex jones
And then the rest is history.
And so this is happening.
I'm all a free market, sacrosanct, your business, whatever.
jordan holmes
Are you?
alex jones
But when they all work in unison and say, we're going to destroy you, it's serious.
jordan holmes
Oh, so you're for net neutrality then, right?
dan friesen
He hasn't proved that they're working in unison.
They absolutely are.
People in those companies have said, we were not working together.
No.
jordan holmes
Colin Kaepernick has proved that they are working together.
dan friesen
The NFL teams, yes.
But they're not like...
I'm sure that nobody within those companies would be like, look, we're cowards, and we were just waiting for someone else to do it, and then we all just jumped on board.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is obviously what happened, but the truth is no one was acting in coordination or anything like that.
Nobody was like, all right, are we all going to get rid of him?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But that's how Alex needs to contextualize the world around him.
Anything against him is part of some giant fraud, some giant scam.
And it's cowardly.
And that's how he allows himself to compare himself to the fucking Jews in the Holocaust.
That's just so disgraceful.
unidentified
Which, by the way, didn't happen, according to Alex, so just in case you were wondering.
dan friesen
It did, but it didn't happen the way you think.
jordan holmes
It didn't happen the way you wanted it to.
dan friesen
Right, right.
unidentified
Ugh.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I imagine Alex...
Like this whole situation brings me to this like mental picture of like in the 1920s, all of these rich investment bankers sitting around the ticker tapes showing the stock prices and all that shit.
And then one of them just sees like, oh, my God, PayPal kicked him off.
And then the rest of them are like, oh, no, no, no, no.
And they get on their rotary phones and they're like, oh, kick him off too.
Kick him off too.
dan friesen
You just see paper flying.
It's all just fantasies about your place in life and how the world works.
It's stupid.
So, in this next clip, see, like I said, I think that Mark Randazzo sucks, but also he doesn't suck totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's clearly pushing back, at least publicly, on Alex's dumb bullshit, and he's also not all that into Kavanaugh, which is nice to express on Alex's show.
unidentified
That's fascinating.
Yeah.
You know, I've been before judges who are somewhat tyrannical and not really open to listening to both sides of things.
And the way that he performed there on the stand made it that this is not somebody I'd like to see on the court.
I think we can do better.
But, you know, it's not to do with the accusations.
It's really to deal with how he's dealt with them.
And I think if we've got...
How dare you be reasonable?
dan friesen
Listen to Alex's response.
alex jones
But if you're innocent of these outrageous charges, a normal person would get very, very angry.
unidentified
But I'm not looking for normal people in the Supreme Court.
I'm looking for extraordinary people in the Supreme Court.
And I was not...
Terribly impressed with that.
dan friesen
So that's...
unidentified
Oh my god!
dan friesen
I intentionally...
jordan holmes
Oh my god, that's such a good argument!
dan friesen
I intentionally didn't play the part where he was like, I think they're both lying.
Like, uh, he's like...
Ford and Kavanaugh are both lying.
jordan holmes
Sure, fine.
dan friesen
I didn't play that part because I thought that would prejudice you against experiencing that clue.
jordan holmes
That was a great moment.
dan friesen
But that clue, I mean, yeah, if you take all the arguments out of it and just be like, he seemed like a fucking dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I think a normal person would get angry about that.
Yeah, but there are nine people who do this job.
dan friesen
In all of America.
jordan holmes
In all of the world.
dan friesen
For life.
jordan holmes
Forever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So maybe we shouldn't find a normal guy.
How about that?
dan friesen
Alex is super, super defensive about it.
And after this, he asks Mark, he's like, alright, hey, you gotta come back after the break, and what you need to do is, what I want you to do is, on the spot, come up with your defense, if you're innocent, and they accuse you of that.
They never get back to that.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
unidentified
Because off-air, there was a moment where he was like, I'm not gonna fucking do this anymore.
jordan holmes
Hey, Alex, Alex, uh, no.
Goodbye.
unidentified
Also, You owe me!
jordan holmes
Bill of hours!
I almost halfway expect him to have charged Alex.
dan friesen
For this call?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
For real.
unidentified
It's written into the bottom line.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you, it's written into the bottom line.
I don't know if he charged him specifically for these hours.
I do know, however, that if he's going on Alex's show, that's because there was a line item somewhere in the invoice that was like, For bullshit that you need me to do.
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting because Mark's been on the show before.
We've even covered an episode that he was on before.
When he was just his lawyer in other circumstances.
unidentified
Which is something I hope never to hear myself say.
jordan holmes
Oh, now I remember this guy because he was in my lawyer from other circumstances.
dan friesen
This instance is far more than other times.
Him being...
He seems very unhappy to be there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He seems like he's there under duress a little bit.
But in this next clip, Alex lays out the shittiest list of accusations against Dr. Ford and then makes a very unfair comparison.
alex jones
Now we've got her working for Big Pharma.
Are you 486?
That's a reason she doesn't like Kavanaugh, obviously.
jordan holmes
Are you 486?
Or are you against 86?
alex jones
I see that as a motive.
Then you've got her as a big Hillary supporter.
But what about her involved in mind-control-style programs of false memories, new memories, funded by DARPA and co-authoring major studies at Stanford?
That's coming up after Mark Randazza leaves us.
This is just insane.
You've got her whole family in the CIA, basically.
And then you've got this creme de la creme project of DARPA.
And then you've got the Unabomber.
And you've got the Aurora shooter.
And they're all in these same programs.
Earlier I showed mainstream news.
Psychology Today, LA Times, all of it.
dan friesen
He showed mainstream news about Ted Kaczynski being in those LSD trials and the MKUltra stuff from the 60s and stuff like that.
Yeah, absolutely.
He also showed articles where James Holmes said...
I'm being mind-controlled, which is something that a lot of mass shooters end up saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, you think so?
dan friesen
Something that a lot of people do to avoid taking responsibility for their actions.
jordan holmes
Hey, anyways, we should murder Andres Bravick.
Anyways, continue.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't even want to talk about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He came back into my life recently.
I mentioned earlier in the show I was doing some looking into Red Ice Radio.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Turns out they're big fans.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
And that really bummed me out.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Anyway...
jordan holmes
Oh, Caleb!
dan friesen
Caleb!
This list of accusations is really fucking flimsy, based on everything that we've talked about already, and based on how all this is bullshit.
And then he gets to the end there, and he's talking about, like, Ted Kaczynski and James Holmes.
They're involved in these MKUltra programs, and the only thing that he's trying to imply there is that the people who are the subjects of the studies that Dr. Ford was involved in are going to be the next crop.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
She's creating Unabombers.
When the study that she's doing is this innocuous yoga meditation study about curing depression that had ambivalent results.
jordan holmes
Dan, have you never read Marvel?
That's how we got the Red Skull.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yoga.
dan friesen
Yoga?
jordan holmes
Yoga gave us the Red Skull, Dan.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you that right now.
Super soldier yoga.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, this next clip, my man.
jordan holmes
Don't waggle your eyebrows.
Don't give me an eyebrow waggle again.
dan friesen
I like waggling eyebrows.
jordan holmes
I know you like it.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex, he's talking about the idea that, like, so Kavanaugh withdraws.
And then, of course, the next choice Trump would have is Judge Amy Barrett.
That's sort of his presumption, is she would be the person that gets put in his place.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So he lays out, this is a Mike Down clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Thanks for giving me enough time.
dan friesen
No problem.
He lays out what would happen in that circumstance, and then at the end of this, Alex says something while Mark is talking that is so fucking funny.
alex jones
We let them get away with this.
They'll do it again and again, but I agree.
They're not going to buy, if he puts Barrett up, that she raped women.
I mean, because they're going to have women come out.
They're going to all be MKUltra professors probably, too.
And they'll say she's wearing a cat woman outfit.
I saw her slit children's throats, drink the blood.
And people, I don't think, will buy it if they do that.
What do you think?
unidentified
Look, I think that whoever they put...
I mean, I think there's enough blame to spread around to everybody.
So.
So.
jordan holmes
So is that a plus or a negative here?
dan friesen
It's so deadpan.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
It's not played as a joke.
unidentified
I don't fucking know what he's doing.
The instincts are so weird.
dan friesen
His fucking free speech lawyer is trying to respond to his stupid idea about what could happen if Barrett is put in.
unidentified
Yeah.
Barrett is put in.
dan friesen
That's one of the weirdest deliveries I've ever heard.
Barrett raped me.
jordan holmes
Monstrous things happen in real life, but fuck if somebody's saying under their breath while a lawyer is talking.
Barrett raped me.
It's not funny.
God damn it.
dan friesen
implication that if Barrett is presented as a Supreme Court candidate, then the Democrats are going to say that she slid a kid's throat and drank her blood.
I would say that the only person who makes that accusation on the reg is named Alex fucking Jones.
Yeah.
unidentified
He's the person who accuses people of drinking children's blood.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
You know what's worse?
Oh, him and anti-Semites from the 1300s.
jordan holmes
What's fucking amazing is that...
dan friesen
1100s.
jordan holmes
No.
I bet if she was nominated to the court, she would have been approved by like 56 members of the fucking Senate because the Democratic Party is fucking garbage.
Somehow, they managed to pick the only candidate who would not immediately get confirmed because they're so fucking stupid and then they have to double down because that offends their masculinity of bullshit.
I fucking...
I would...
And Amy Barrett would be worse!
Like, Amy Barrett would be fucking a monster!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But they still have to fucking allow the guy, because how dare you say that men could possibly do shit like that?
Fuck you!
dan friesen
Well, unfortunately, this is something that I believe the right would be...
Like, I don't think that it's sort of like...
What is that?
When a cop tricks you.
Entrapment.
jordan holmes
Entrapment.
dan friesen
I don't think it's entrapment that they've ended up...
Defending these positions the way they have.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I don't think it was their first choice.
I think that the reason they got backed into this is that Trump chose Kavanaugh.
jordan holmes
The guy who would say...
dan friesen
Specifically because of the idea of the unitary executive.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The idea that he can't be called to subpoena.
He can't be charged with things.
jordan holmes
Like, they could just say, like, you know what?
Fuck you, Kavanaugh.
Go back to being whatever bullshit you are.
dan friesen
Hope you don't get impeached.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
The best move for them right now.
I guess for them in the future.
dan friesen
The only strategic move is washing your hands and trying someone else.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And trying somebody like Barrett.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But...
What they are doing is exactly what is happening to, what they're all watching happen to Collins and Murkowski right now, where they're like, well, what if they don't vote for Kavanaugh because they're women?
Not because any other possible reasons, but because they're women.
So we can't trust women to always do the things that we want them to do.
Even as they watch Collins and Murkowski be the Dumbest fucking senators in history.
dan friesen
I don't know what to say about that.
jordan holmes
They're all dumb.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
Like, on a strategic as well as tactical level.
And somehow they're still going to fucking win.
I hate it.
I hate this world.
dan friesen
I'm not critiquing your analysis.
I just don't really know what to say about it.
So, we're done, I guess, for the minute now with the sort of Kavanaugh defense weird shit.
Weird shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Super weird shit.
jordan holmes
She can control minds, though.
I think that's been proven.
dan friesen
She's a mind controller.
jordan holmes
No, they've presented enough evidence where I can safely say that she controls the minds of anyone who comes within 60 feet of her.
dan friesen
Yeah, but we're done with that as a narrative for now, and Alex gets into a little bit of a different narrative that, man, I just fucking, I hate this.
alex jones
America is this super open, inclusive country, and then now you've got the LGBT, pedophile at the end of it, because more and more...
That's part of it.
Six-year-old pupils write gay love letters to learn to accept diversity.
We're going to play the video of that coming up.
So you put your children in school and they tell six-year-olds, little boys write love letters to boys, girls write to girls.
This is people sexualizing your children.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
This is a story out of the BBC.
It was about a classroom that they were discussing a fairy tale.
jordan holmes
Was it in America?
dan friesen
No, it was in Britain.
It was in the UK.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
So they're discussing a fairy tale wherein there's a prince who's in love with a dude.
And the two of them, they want to get together.
That's nice.
jordan holmes
Give them a Netflix show.
dan friesen
The teacher of the class made an assignment where the kids write a love letter from one party to the other.
It's not, if you're a girl, write to a girl.
If you're a boy, write to a boy.
jordan holmes
It's a write a love letter to somebody else.
dan friesen
Within the context of this story.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
From the perspective of another character in the story.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Almost an empathy exercise.
And the teacher gave an interview and she's talking about the idea that if you grow up and when you grow up, what you'll find is diversity around you.
You're going to end up running into people of different identities, different orientations, and if we make people comfortable with that as children, they won't be weirded out by it later in life.
It'll be something they'll be able to empathize with going forward.
I see nothing wrong with this because it's not like...
The teacher is like, hey, write a letter about how you want to suck his dick.
unidentified
It's not that at all.
dan friesen
If you really want to take issue with this, you have to take issue with all fairy tales.
You have to take issue with heterosexual stories being imparted.
jordan holmes
They're sexualizing children!
How old was Cinderella, Dan?
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
She was 14!
dan friesen
Snow White was asleep!
jordan holmes
She was dead!
dan friesen
Right!
jordan holmes
Wait, was she?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
She's fine.
In a coma.
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
Who's Terry Shivo-ing it?
jordan holmes
Can't allow her to leave.
dan friesen
So, this narrative to me is umpus bumpus.
But at the same time, you hear Alex again now.
Every time he says LGBT, he makes a point of bringing in the pee.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm amazed.
dan friesen
It's like, you're making it worse, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm amazed that you can...
dan friesen
You're making your argument so much flimsier.
jordan holmes
I'm amazed that you can be absolutely wrong in one sentence in all directions at the same time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like...
Hey, America's just an amazing, inclusive country.
dan friesen
Sometimes.
jordan holmes
But then you have these LGBTQ pedophiles in here, and you're like, whoa, wait.
No, no, no.
The first thing you said was invalidated by the second thing you said, which makes me think that the first thing you said wasn't even true in the first place.
dan friesen
Queers just want to fuck kids, buddy.
jordan holmes
The correct answer is America is not an inclusive place, and it just pretends to fucking be, and the people who are trying to make it an inclusive place are the ones who are being murdered by your fucking dumb bullshit.
So, fuck you.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
How dare he?
How dare he be?
Like, I don't want him kicked off of Facebook and PayPal and all of that shit for all of the horrors that he's done.
I want him kicked off for that shit.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
For being able to say America's an inclusive place, but we shouldn't have everybody that would make it an inclusive place.
dan friesen
I get that mentality.
jordan holmes
You're ruining language.
dan friesen
I get that mentality, but there's still...
To me, falls under free speech.
Like, I don't think you should kick somebody off for this.
jordan holmes
I'm all for free speech!
I just want it to make sense!
dan friesen
Oh, I would love to make sense.
jordan holmes
If your free speech doesn't make sense, then fuck off!
dan friesen
I would love for free speech to make sense, but unfortunately it doesn't.
And in instances like this, I wouldn't advocate Alex being kicked off anything for saying things like LGBT equals P. No, I would say send him to a re-education camp, and this is why I should be president, right?
Oh, fucking, now you've triggered a thought in my brain.
jordan holmes
Oh, is this a bad thing?
dan friesen
No, it's fine.
So, the re-education camp thing brought up in my memory, I don't know why it's a one-to-one trigger, but I thought of Larry Nichols.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
In 2015, he would talk about these re-education camps coming for us.
jordan holmes
Do you know what happened?
Christine Ford planted in that memory to put a one-to-one.
So anytime somebody says re-education camp to you, you think, call Larry Nichols.
dan friesen
In fairness, I often think of Larry Nichols.
He haunts me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, tell me about it.
dan friesen
His whole thing was the FEMA provisional government.
Obama's going to use it to take over and everybody's going to go into camps.
Which is a big part of Alex's worldview.
So, I thought it was very weird today.
We're recording this on the 3rd.
We're recording it on Wednesday.
Because you have a show on Thursday, so we didn't record on Thursday.
Today, all of us got a text from the President.
jordan holmes
I didn't.
dan friesen
You didn't?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Lucky you.
jordan holmes
I did.
dan friesen
Almost everybody got a text from this test of the...
FEMA emergency alert system run by the president.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I assume that that's what we're going to talk about.
dan friesen
Alex hates FEMA.
He has this super terrible fear of these FEMA camps, which we're hearing in 2009 up to the present.
He hates FEMA.
They're the worst.
It's all about the COG, the continuity of government.
They're trying to create these emergencies in order to put people in fucking camps and then kill them off.
Gotta do it!
I'm not going to a camp.
You're not going to rape my family in a camp.
jordan holmes
Hell no!
dan friesen
You're going to have to kill me first.
jordan holmes
I would be angry too!
dan friesen
He had an article on Infowars.com today about this text message to everybody in America that is being put out by FEMA at the president's...
Beck and Cole.
jordan holmes
Right, and how it's a great idea.
dan friesen
It's not only that it's a great idea.
He's mocking the idea that anyone would be against it.
The article on Infowars legitimately was, look at all these dum-dums afraid of Trump's most innocuous move of all.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I don't want America to collapse because I live here, but at this point, I'm all for it.
dan friesen
This is awful.
jordan holmes
This existence is miserable.
dan friesen
I had the article up on Infowars.com on my screen.
I was going to keep it up so I could look at it now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But my browser said malware detected.
jordan holmes
Yeah, good call.
dan friesen
So Infowars.com apparently is no longer a super safe website.
jordan holmes
Smart.
dan friesen
So I closed that window.
But the entire thing is just this long making fun of people who are...
Libtards, I guess, who are shocked by and against the president using FEMA in order to text all of them at the same time.
Then, at the end of it...
jordan holmes
No, don't do this.
Don't give me a stinger.
dan friesen
Sales pitch.
jordan holmes
Don't do it!
dan friesen
Alex is like, but if you want Infowars news on your phone...
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
No!
Son of a bitch!
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
You fucking asshole.
dan friesen
In an article, he doesn't add pivot.
It's crazy.
It's crazy to see in print.
So speaking of ad pivots, in this next clip, Alex is talking about how he doesn't want to sue people.
But he's got to.
jordan holmes
He's got to.
alex jones
And see, these people don't want you looking at it.
They don't want you investigating it.
They don't want you talking about it.
And they don't want this broadcast up here getting into it.
And that's why they're trying to shut us down.
I'll tell you something right now.
You think I want to sue the Pepe the Frog creator when he sued me?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
I had to sue him, even though he tried to settle for nothing.
Because they just want to tell me what images I can use when it's fair use.
And he said it was fair use.
You think I want to sue PayPal?
I've got to stand up against this mark of the beast system, but I'm doing it.
And that's why I need you to fund our operation.
unidentified
Boom!
jordan holmes
Hold on!
Hold on!
You do not get to do an ad pivot.
After you say, you think I want to sue this guy?
He wanted to settle for nothing.
dan friesen
He did say that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is weird.
jordan holmes
He literally said, do you think I want to sue this guy who just wants me to say, whoops?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't want to do that.
We need your money to fund this lawsuit for no reason.
With no stakes.
Zero stakes involved!
The only stakes involved are this guy created a thing and I misused it.
dan friesen
I wonder if he misspoke.
Like, I do wonder that.
Because you're right.
Based on his actual language, that is what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wonder if he misspoke and said, I wanted to settle for nothing.
jordan holmes
No, I think he wanted to settle for nothing.
dan friesen
Matt Fury?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I bet he would just take an apology or just don't do it anymore.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Something like that.
I bet he would.
From everything I've read about him, he seems like a completely sensible guy.
jordan holmes
Because that lawsuit came way before the others.
dan friesen
Well, the first one was against Cernovich.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because Cernovich used Pepe on the cover of his book.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, that's absolutely...
dan friesen
That was much more egregious.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whereas Alex didn't use it in any, like...
jordan holmes
I mean the other lawsuits against Alex.
dan friesen
Oh, like the Sandy Hook family.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was way earlier than those, right?
dan friesen
It was, yeah.
jordan holmes
That was just like a...
dan friesen
Well, no, it wasn't way earlier, but it was a little earlier.
jordan holmes
It was a little bit earlier, and it was early to the point where Alex didn't know he was about to get hit with, like, eight other lawsuits.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So he would have been, like...
If he had known that there were going to be eight other lawsuits, he would have been like, yeah, I'll settle for free and fuck off.
That's great.
dan friesen
Well, it was...
jordan holmes
I'll say, yeah, oops.
Sorry for using Peppa the Frog.
Anyways, it's just a fucking frog character moving on.
dan friesen
It was earlier than these other lawsuits, but it was later than, like, Elephantus and Hamdi Ulicaya, which were in the middle of last year.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, it...
It's sort of like, you know what?
The fucking entire modern history of Alex Jones is just jumping from lawsuits.
And then just making apologies.
He's the Dukes of Hazzard of not having to pay settlements.
jordan holmes
Settlements, yeah.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
He jumps the General Lee over libel lawsuits.
dan friesen
Well, he gets by on the kindness of strangers.
I don't know what musical that's from.
Like, he survives only at the whim of people who don't want to crush him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, Hamdi Ulukaya could have owned InfoWars, probably.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Hamdi!
Now you're...
We loved you, and now you're vicariously our enemy.
dan friesen
I still think...
jordan holmes
I find him to be...
unidentified
Look.
dan friesen
I still think that choice even is an admirable choice.
jordan holmes
I understand that.
dan friesen
Because there's no reason to be vindictive about it based on the...
Because Alex did...
He did make a video apology about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Here's my view on that, and this is something that I didn't really learn until a couple of nights ago when my girlfriend was watching...
dan friesen
You're about doing some ninja moves, like hand gestures right now.
jordan holmes
She was watching the latest season of The Walking Dead, and at the end of it...
What's-his-fuck doesn't kill the other fucking guy?
dan friesen
Don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
After there's been a whole fucking fight.
dan friesen
I've seen like four episodes of that show.
jordan holmes
No, but like 50 people have died.
But then it's just like the one guy and the other guy, and it's like, ah, and I'm going to kill you.
And then he doesn't kill him, and he's like, you're going to be an example.
And the whole time I'm sitting there like, oh, you should have just fucking killed that guy, and then you'd have been fine.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, in zombie situations, for sure.
jordan holmes
And what is Alex Jones but a zombie situation?
You just gotta, look, look, I get it.
I'm all for it.
We gotta build a better world.
But don't build a better world with this guy!
We got other guys to be like, oh, look, this is a guy who we show mercy on.
But some guys, you just gotta fucking get them rid of him!
dan friesen
I sincerely believe that we live in a society that is room for Alex Jones.
I don't think that we live in such a terrible place.
unidentified
That's what the Walking Dead people thought about that one fucking guy, and now they're all fucked.
dan friesen
Well, look, dude.
jordan holmes
Dude.
That's my analysis of The Walking Dead.
That's what they thought about that one fucking guy, and now look where they are.
dan friesen
And the reason I had to respond to that with, look, dude, is because I have not watched any of that.
jordan holmes
I don't know who you're talking about.
I haven't watched it either.
I saw one episode.
I saw the first season, and I was like, nah.
dan friesen
Yeah, not interested.
I'm sure it's great, actually.
I thought it was actually good.
But I just didn't care.
jordan holmes
Her thoughts were, as she was...
I hadn't watched any of the seasons.
I watched, like, the last episode.
dan friesen
So unimportant.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
But her point of view is like...
Oh, yeah, no, this was really good.
The last six seasons have been really boring, though.
So I think that kind of clears it up.
dan friesen
That's how I felt about the Real World Road Rules Challenge when I stopped watching any of them.
But the reason that I think society can contain something like an Alex Jones force, it's just that it requires everyone else to be aware.
You know, like, an aware and healthy society can contain Alex Jones because people read stuff and they're like, eh, look at that asshole.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But in a society that's already kind of rotting, or there's a cancer within that society already.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Their defenses aren't going to be there to fight back or to mitigate the damage that an Alex Jones can do.
So right now, we're living in a cancerous, awful society.
And Alex Jones is exploiting so much of that because he's on the cancer's side.
And that's not saying that Trump is the cancer.
jordan holmes
But it's a bigger picture.
He's representative.
He's the avatar of the cancer.
dan friesen
He's carcinogenic for sure.
But there's a bigger picture to it.
In a proper, everything going well, our society could happily flourish with Alex Jones doing his crazy fun bullshit, and we could all laugh at it and have fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, we live in a time where it's like, oh no, we don't have the immune system to fight back against this.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And it sucks, but just because we don't have the immune system to fight back against it doesn't mean that he's any different.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That doesn't change the rules and that now that we're more susceptible to it and the damage is worse because of what he's doing, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to do what he's doing.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
Now, some of the things he's doing are legally actionable.
jordan holmes
Counter-argument.
We could handle somebody like Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That's all I've been saying.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Not Alex Jones literally.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's my point.
So...
If we can handle somebody like Alex Jones, but maybe not the extent to which Alex Jones is, maybe we take the Alex Jones to which the extent Alex Jones is, and put his fucking head on a pike, and then the other Alex Joneses that we can deal with, eh, we don't gotta worry about him so much, because they can see that guy with his head on a fucking pike.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
Cut off his balls?
jordan holmes
I want to cut off his balls so bad.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Oh, so bad.
jordan holmes
I would make a whole weekend out of it.
We would have a thing.
There would be a bat mitzvah.
It would be fantastic.
dan friesen
There would be a novelty menu.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, so good.
dan friesen
Special cocktail.
jordan holmes
It would be a destination wedding.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, I don't know how I feel about that.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't enjoy our nuptials?
dan friesen
In this, what, you and Alex's balls getting married?
I would not enjoy that.
I think you can do better.
unidentified
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Jordan, Alex, he likes to talk all the time.
About all these libtard cucks.
They're all triggered.
jordan holmes
Oh, with their triggers!
dan friesen
They're all triggered by things.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're all getting so angry whenever somebody accuses us of sexual assault that we definitely didn't commit.
We all get so angry all the time.
We definitely just freak out all the time in front of a public hearing.
That's crazy for all of us libtard cucks, right?
dan friesen
That sounds like you're describing Kavanaugh as being triggered.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
In that circumstance.
jordan holmes
Oh, is that what I'm doing?
dan friesen
That's interesting because that's not what this is about.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's not.
dan friesen
This is about Alex being triggered by having to watch that.
Which I would argue...
jordan holmes
Do they not even know what...
alex jones
Oh my God!
unidentified
Which I would argue makes you a little soy boy snowflake.
alex jones
Listen, that wasn't an act last week when I blew up on air about watching Kavanaugh being accused.
I can't watch these hearings now.
And I'm not feeling sorry for myself.
I've been false accused so much that...
At a certain point, I can't watch these people anymore because I want to get very aggressive.
jordan holmes
Because they're damn liars!
alex jones
And we know they're liars, and I'm sick of everyone bending over backwards.
If you're a Democrat and you say something, I don't believe the sky's blue if you said it was, because you're a pack of trash!
unidentified
You're a known group of liars like the devil!
Ooh.
dan friesen
Triggered, baby!
jordan holmes
I don't know what to do with that.
dan friesen
There's nothing to do with that.
There's nothing to do with that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I mean...
dan friesen
Just enjoy it, let it wash over you, and scoff at it.
That's what you do with it.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, I just don't know how to deal with that in any sense other than for him to say, like, if you're a Democrat and you say anything, I can't believe you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Then for me, the only reaction is, well, if that's what you think, then if you say anything, I can't believe you.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
It's like a two-way street.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no way for us to communicate if your immediate position first is nothing you say is meaningful and everything you say is a lot.
What do I say to that?
You know?
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, you just, goodbye.
dan friesen
Right.
He's cut off any possibility for, like, communication, basically.
Who cares?
Anything you say is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right.
Okay, well then, goodbye.
dan friesen
Bid you adieu.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Have fun over there.
jordan holmes
I've been falsely accused by so many women.
It's crazy how many women, a long laundry list of women who have falsely, falsely accused me of so many women.
Like, roughly four to five hundred women have falsely, definitely not any of them being correct, 100%, all of them being false.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
I think that Alex has made a lot of, like, legitimately...
I'm making a chopping motion here.
You are.
Legitimately actionable claims in this episode against Dr. Blasey Ford.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
He has said, like, not vague things, but actual statements.
She's running a mind-control CIA...
DARPA-funded operation.
jordan holmes
Along with her family.
dan friesen
Well, the family may or may not be involved, but yeah, absolutely.
So, like, this is not okay.
It's not fine.
So it makes it so fucking pathetic that he says this towards the end of the episode.
alex jones
You know, I don't want to go on air and say that Christine Wazi Ford is a CIA mind control operative.
jordan holmes
You did!
alex jones
But she works in a DARPA program and publishes articles on brainwashing, on planting false memories, on creating classical Manchurian candidates.
It's not just like she's in some program that's connected to that.
jordan holmes
I don't want to see this thing that I said.
alex jones
And the whole family CIA and the brother-in-law and the grandpa and the daddy and the brother.
And it's like it never ends with these people.
That's where all these idiots go.
I bet Jones is in some intelligence agency or something.
I would be embarrassed to be in some intelligence agency at this point.
jordan holmes
My dad is.
alex jones
I've had family that was in the military and was assigned to stuff like that, and they said, the new world order, the world government's evil, it's anti-family, it's anti-God, it's anti-Christian.
Stand against it!
dan friesen
Isn't it funny how you parodied exactly that clip earlier in the show?
jordan holmes
It's weird.
dan friesen
Isn't it fucking weird that you were like, yeah, they were in there, but they were the good ones!
They were the crazy ones!
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's funny how jokes can imitate propaganda, and propaganda can imitate jokes.
It's a little disgusting on some level.
jordan holmes
It's kind of a bummer that no matter how...
Full disclosure, I do a bit about this, but it's like, no matter how far you try and parody this, it doesn't go far enough.
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
Like, the hardest you go to be like, oh, look at how crazy these guys are, the next day they're like...
This is exactly how crazy we are!
You're like, well, fuck!
What am I supposed to do?
dan friesen
Right, it's like people trying to make jokes about the insane clown posse.
It's like, yeah, you make a joke about it, I bet they would hear that joke and be like, I'm gonna fucking do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
That sounds awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
This world, like, especially now.
It wasn't this way years ago.
It was a bit more restrained, although as dishonest.
jordan holmes
As dishonest, yes.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
The level of self-parody, the level of absurd bullshit, and it's unrestrained by decorum.
It's unrestrained by shame.
It's unrestrained by any of those sort of things that you'd think that people would keep themselves in check with.
Yeah, it's impossible to make a joke of like, well, here's what they're gonna do.
They probably are.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have a 50% chance.
It's a crapshoot.
jordan holmes
I would say it's even higher.
I would say that by the very act of you making the joke, they make it real just to spite you.
dan friesen
It could be some sort of a Schrodinger's propagandist.
jordan holmes
Like, this is a weird thing for me, somebody who's...
Not old enough to have lived through it, but if you watch the late night eras between Carson and then now, and you're like, Carson could tell a joke that was devastating.
That was like, what?
How could you do that?
And now Jimmy Kimmel could tell a joke that is just like, oh, that's just reality.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like the late night host gig is turned from parodying to just like reporting.
dan friesen
Reporting with the soft glazing of humor.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
Just a gentle glaze.
jordan holmes
Is it even that, or is it more just like reporting the news, but just like with a lilt?
dan friesen
The thin veneer of comedy being added on it.
jordan holmes
Like, what's the difference between Brian Stelter reading the news and Johnny Carson just being like, and the next thing they want to do is...
Remove kids from their parents.
dan friesen
I honestly think I'm going to give you a contrarian position that I haven't fully thought out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I almost think that that's exactly what we need right now, though.
Because the sort of state of times that we're in is so volatile and awful that if you had somebody who was making, like, really scathing blows, you don't need that in this climate because you don't deserve it.
What this climate and culture deserves are the milk toast.
People like Jimmy Fallon who will rub Trump's hair and be like, oh fuck, isn't this cool?
And then James Corden having these dumb fucking segments that mean nothing.
That is what late night should be.
jordan holmes
He was great on Doctor Who though.
James Corden had a couple of great episodes.
Who cares?
unidentified
Fantastic.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
Love Doctor Who.
dan friesen
Fine.
But I mean, if you wanted to do like...
jordan holmes
Johnny Whitaker is going to be there.
dan friesen
If you want to do a scathing late night row of hosts, you could do it.
You could do it easily.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In this climate of like comedians, the various voices that are out there, you could do that very easily.
You could set up...
It would not make you any money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, no, that's why there aren't those guys.
That's why there aren't those guys.
There are plenty of comics who could develop that scathing row, but they're not allowed anywhere near these shows.
dan friesen
Totally.
Here's what I would say.
The internet has allowed everybody to just make whatever they want, right?
So you can just do a late night show if you just rent out a theater for 50 bucks and have some decent camera equipment on it.
Fair enough.
Or if you're on Facebook Watch or any of those sort of things, you can do it.
There are interesting people with voices, certainly, but not to the level of like...
Alright, we got a demagogue here.
I don't think that this time deserves that.
And I also don't think it would work.
Because then that person would be unilaterally attacked by all the various propagandists on the right.
Mike Cernovich would accuse them of some sort of fucking crime they didn't commit.
Alex would say they're drinking children's blood.
And all of a sudden they get bogged down in a lot of bullshit that has nothing to do with the scathing comedy that they're trying to produce.
jordan holmes
What you're describing is if our show was a late night show.
dan friesen
I'm not.
I'm saying that this culture doesn't lend itself to...
I mean, even an early David Letterman.
Not a late David Letterman.
Early David Letterman.
jordan holmes
I hate it when there's a late David Letterman.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Early David Letterman would love that joke.
Late David Letterman?
dan friesen
Not so much.
When I think about this, I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I think that cultural entertainment largely...
Because I wrestle with this.
The things that are super popular, I think are largely just...
Like, intrinsically vapid.
Like, I'm not saying that as some sort of, like, I'm above it or anything like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know that I've made it clear that I get sucked into these rabbit holes of watching Irish people try things.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Have you ever seen Irish people try things?
It's incredible.
dan friesen
I kind of like a couple of those personalities.
That leather coat guy is really funny.
But, like, there are things like that that have millions of views.
And I started to look into it a little bit more.
And you have, like, the PewDiePie videos and stuff.
I watched a couple of them.
I'm like, I don't understand at all what's going on here.
Then I realized I didn't even know this until maybe a couple weeks ago.
Like, BuzzFeed has a ridiculous YouTube presence.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
They have videos that have 15 million views on the reg.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are we old?
Did we just get old?
Yeah.
Or did we just get old at this moment right now?
dan friesen
It's insane to me.
jordan holmes
BuzzFeed has millions and millions.
dan friesen
Wow.
Individual videos that have millions and millions of views.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Right.
It's insane.
And so I got sucked down a wormhole of watching these videos because...
I would watch one and it would be, like, there's one series that they have where these two guys go and they try things at different price points.
It's called Worth It.
So the two of them go to three restaurants.
One's really cheap, one's in the middle, one's super expensive.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then they decide which one is the best at its price point.
jordan holmes
Right.
And then at the end of it, they have to supermarket sweep it, and they have to fill their cart with the most...
dan friesen
The premise is, on its face, a pretty interesting premise.
jordan holmes
I guess?
dan friesen
With good editing, it's something that has a good presentational value.
you get to see three different restaurants, which is what all those, like, like food TV shows are really about.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like diners, drive-ins, and dives wasn't about Guy Fieri or anything.
dan friesen
That's what all that stuff is about.
So you get to watch, like, oh, that's cool.
And then you also get to project yourself into their seat, because who are they but 20-somethings who have a good job being...
Gifted this position at this restaurant because of their job.
That could be you if you had that job.
You can project yourself there a little bit, and it's kind of fun.
And then, oftentimes, it's not the most expensive place.
It's the most...
A lot of the times, they go to all of them, and then they validate that the cheapest place is actually the best.
So I started watching some of these videos, and I didn't give a fuck about any of them, but I liked one of the guys in it.
One of the guys in it seemed to have a really good comedic sensibility.
I'm like, I enjoy this.
Then I accidentally started watching other BuzzFeed videos that he was in.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Right?
So I started watching all, like, I ended up down this, like, rabbit hole of following him.
By the way, it's Andrew from the, it's Stephen and Andrew, the two guys on Worth It.
jordan holmes
No idea.
dan friesen
Stephen seems fine.
I don't know.
He's too excitable.
Sure.
jordan holmes
You just described me.
Anyways, continue.
dan friesen
You don't have the frosted tips.
jordan holmes
I don't have...
Oh, he's got frosted tips?
dan friesen
He's an Asian dude with frosted tips.
I also don't dislike him.
But, look, so I started...
I watched other videos, and I kept finding myself watching these, like, three-minute videos about whatever.
And I don't...
I didn't enjoy them.
I didn't enjoy them at all.
But I kept watching them.
And I didn't realize what was going on until the other night.
I was sitting there, and I'm like...
I'm going to watch one more.
And then it was so disappointing as I watched it.
Because it was just like, this is just people doing something boring and commenting on it.
But I want more.
So I'm like, one more.
One more.
They'll do the next one.
They'll get it the next time.
And I click the next one.
And then an hour later, I had just repeated that process over and over again.
And I realized along the way...
All of these videos that I've been watching had over 7 million views each.
There are tons of people, I think, much like me, who end up getting caught in this cycle without realizing it, of like, this is slightly charming.
I want something better.
You guys can do better.
And then none of them can do better.
I think a lot of entertainment is based on that right now.
I don't know what that means, but I think it has something to do with how bad late night is.
jordan holmes
I forgot that was where we were going.
dan friesen
But the reason that I think it's related...
jordan holmes
No, I totally see your point.
dan friesen
The reason that I think it's related is that I think a lot of us these days are craving escapism.
And so these videos of like...
I don't fucking know.
Let's watch these people eat dumplings.
It somehow seems like a good jump-off point, and then you're never satisfied, and you're looking for a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more.
It never comes, but then it's two hours later, and you've watched a ton of their shit.
And I think that people monetize that really well.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's intentionally a business model.
But I think it's fucking super successful.
jordan holmes
I mean, isn't that the...
unidentified
What is it?
jordan holmes
Addictive model of like your candy crush or the like there.
The gamification of addiction.
dan friesen
It might not be the exact same thing, but it's similar.
jordan holmes
It gives you this small bit of...
dan friesen
Little charge.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it gives you this small bit of serotonin and then you're just like, well, now that I've reached that base level, I need to keep going for that base level.
And no matter how far, you're always chasing the dragon.
dan friesen
I'll say that the Irish people trying stuff are a little bit better.
Because at least I actually like a couple of their personalities.
Like, I've watched, at this point, from the rabbit holes that I've accidentally dove down, I've watched so many of these BuzzFeed videos.
jordan holmes
That's too many.
dan friesen
And I would say...
jordan holmes
I've watched zero of those BuzzFeed videos, and I still think that's too many.
dan friesen
You don't know about the Try Guys?
jordan holmes
I really feel like I've watched too many of those videos just by hearing you talk about them.
dan friesen
There are only, like, maybe two or three people in the entire pantheon of the BuzzFeed empire, which is wide-ranging, that are at all interesting as personalities as depicted in their videos.
Meanwhile...
With the Irish people, I would say it's maybe 40% of them seem pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Dude!
Have you ever been to Ireland?
dan friesen
I want to go so bad.
jordan holmes
98% of people are in Ireland.
dan friesen
I want to go to Ireland and find Blaheen?
jordan holmes
Fascinating.
dan friesen
I want to find Ryan?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Ireland is one of the most fascinating groups of people who hate everyone you will ever meet.
dan friesen
Let's do a show.
jordan holmes
Incredible.
dan friesen
Let's go to Ireland to do a show so I can find these people.
jordan holmes
Love them.
dan friesen
And have a fucking uncomfortable conversation.
jordan holmes
I've never been made more uncomfortable by saying hi than in an Irish bar.
And that person loved me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The other Irish bars I've been to, they hated me and I felt more comfortable than when the person was just like, ah.
And that was it.
And I was like, oh, I love you too.
I didn't know how to express it.
dan friesen
I'm not positive if any of this had anything to do with anything.
But I feel like I've made a point.
jordan holmes
Anyways, late night.
dan friesen
Might not be valuable, but I do respect in that last clip Alex saying...
I don't want to say that Ford is a fucking CIA operative, but he is.
jordan holmes
You can't say that!
That's not okay!
dan friesen
Turns out you can.
jordan holmes
Ah!
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex sort of rambles a whole bunch about whether or not he wants there to be violence, and I'll let you decide where he comes down on the issue.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So all I'm saying is, if the Democrats start rioting and burning cities, and they bring in a civil emergency they've said they already want, And they're trying to burn up the White House.
It's not martial law if the president calls out the military to protect the White House.
It's the military protecting us from CHICOM, globalist-funded enemies that have already staged an emergency.
So I'm saying we better start getting used to the thought of what we're going to do.
It's like police.
They have a threat force continuum, a force continuum of you do this, they do that.
And it goes up, up, up, up, up to the point of you pull a gun, they pull a gun and shoot you.
And so I don't want cops to pull guns and shoot people.
I don't want to pull guns if Antifa comes to my house.
I don't want any of this.
But Antifa says they're going to come to members of Congress in ICE's house and kill them.
The members of Congress that have been targeted in ICE need to take it and expect that they're coming.
You understand?
And then when you blow their ass off, they're going to call you a tyrant and call it martial law.
Hey, you're the ones opening the door to the bull, dumbasses.
I'm not looking for any trouble, but if you're looking for a fight, you came to the right place, because I'm not backing down to any of you people.
dan friesen
That means nothing.
That was so Scat Cat.
That was MC Scat Cat.
One step forward, two steps back.
That was crazy.
jordan holmes
Hey, Alex.
This is Jordan from Chicago here.
unidentified
Hello, Jordan.
jordan holmes
The Laquan McDonald trial is occurring as we speak.
So you just said that there should be a standardized action for cops to use force.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Fun thought.
jordan holmes
If a cop, you know, if I were to use force against you, then the cop would be justified in it.
But what if I weren't?
What if there was...
dan friesen
What if you're a child?
jordan holmes
What if there was a standardized response wherein you're, I don't know, a kid?
And you're walking away from a cop.
And then he fucking murders you.
Is that...
Is that okay?
Is that okay, Alex?
Should there be standardized rules?
Oh, you know what?
I'm starting to think that maybe it only fucking matters whenever it's on your team.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You know what's super fun about this?
Like, on this episode, we've experienced Alex bending over so far backwards in order to justify Kavanaugh's indiscretions, let's say.
You know, like, he's created this elaborate tapestry of bullshit based on Mike Adams'stupid articles just to get away from this guy not getting on the Supreme Court.
When, like, we've already been very clear, like, someone else could probably get in because the Democrats are cowardice.
We have Neil Gorsuch.
It's not some sort of thing where they're going to create demonic smears of anybody.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's really crazy to have a situation like this for such low-stakes bullshit.
Alex is defending this thing because he has to defend Trump because there's a piece of self-preservation that's involved there, too.
When you see things like that with Laquan McDonald or other instances of unarmed black people being killed by the cops...
unidentified
Murdered.
dan friesen
He doesn't...
He doesn't...
Create fabricated narratives.
He doesn't even talk about the truth about it.
He just never covers it.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Yep, he sucks.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
So, we got one more clip, Jordan.
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Let's do it!
dan friesen
Let's chase this down!
jordan holmes
Let's chase my weird Laquan McDonald nightmare down!
dan friesen
This is a punchline if there is one.
alex jones
I mean, the people listening now, I told you.
Who listens and who calls me?
And it's all off record.
But, you know, world leaders, top Fox News hosts, a lot of members of Congress.
We had a lot before.
But this is like Fight Club now.
So you can tell people, your friends and family, hey, Alex Jones are trying to shut him down for a reason.
It's the guest.
It's the callers.
It's the information.
Learn why the system wants Infowars.com shut down.
Learn what scares them so much.
The truth.
I'll play clips of Soros on 60 Minutes saying the best time of his life was serving Hitler and he made happy time.
That's a quote.
And then I show the news saying I'm a liar.
He never served Hitler.
I mean, a lot of it's not that fancy.
It's just we're willing to tell it like it is.
unidentified
Fancy?
dan friesen
You might have missed it in there, but Alex just broke the first and second rule of Fight Club.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
He advocated that you talk about it.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
dan friesen
He said that this show is basically Fight Club, so tell your friends.
jordan holmes
I...
What?
It is almost like even in his fictional arguments, the sentence he makes in argument, he invalidates that argument.
dan friesen
I mean, super petty of me to bring up the rules of Fight Club, but...
jordan holmes
Oh, Dan!
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan, let's summate this episode if we can.
jordan holmes
White men are great.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And they will never commit violence against women.
So I think we've solved it.
Done.
dan friesen
Mind control?
jordan holmes
Not even a problem whenever women aren't allowed to speak.
dan friesen
Especially when they have mind control.
They're gifted in mind control.
This episode has been a lot of bullshit and I think demonstrates simultaneously why I hate the present and at the same time why we kind of got to talk about the present from time to time.
jordan holmes
Look, you're not going to get this.
dan friesen
It's this razor's edge that we end up walking.
It's awful.
To sit here and listen to Alex Jones say this disrespectful, awful stuff about someone who you can hear her speak and look at the reality of the situation and be like, oh yeah, this, while we can't say because we're not in the court and we can't prove this, it very clearly is credible.
Like, I don't, I'm not, I wasn't there, I can't say it happened, but there is no part of my body or my being that thinks that it didn't.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It sucks to hear Alex create this elaborate conspiracy about that situation.
But at the same time, what other show than ours is going to talk about the idea that he has created this conspiracy about it?
jordan holmes
That it's mind control.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
That is a crazy defense.
dan friesen
I don't think Trump would even try that.
Well, we'll see in a week.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, we've already talked about how parody is non-existent anymore.
dan friesen
We'll see if he gets desperate and has to call for the bench.
But this to me is like...
I don't see anybody talking about this level of complete fucked up weirdness.
High strangeness without aliens.
jordan holmes
Arch!
Arch!
dan friesen
It's insane.
jordan holmes
It's arch!
dan friesen
So I will say at the end of this...
I respect my responsibility of having to go into this stuff as much as it sucks.
And we'll check in from time to time in the present as much as I fucking hate it.
And I wish we just lived in 2009 because I like learning.
I didn't learn anything from this except for about the lies, you know?
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's fun to learn about.
dan friesen
It is fun on some level.
I like learning about that Bill Kempton.
I like learning about him.
jordan holmes
He seems like an alright guy.
dan friesen
He seems like a great dude.
jordan holmes
His family?
I don't know.
Not yet.
dan friesen
No, one of them.
Laura, his daughter?
jordan holmes
Yeah, what about her?
unidentified
Dude.
jordan holmes
Tell me some shit about Laura.
dan friesen
She's an amazing artist and actually does a lot of work at Burning Man.
She creates...
jordan holmes
These motherfucking trust fund hippies.
unidentified
I know, I know.
Motherfucking...
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But she actually...
I looked into it.
I read a couple interviews with her.
She's created these really interesting art pieces where a lot of it is about the...
Symbolic destruction of it.
Not like in the central Burning Man concept of burning the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get it.
dan friesen
But like violent destruction of her own artwork, like shooting it.
Like that sort of thing.
As like a ritual.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That sounds hot.
dan friesen
One of the art pieces...
Shit, I can't remember what the name of it is.
But it had like a...
It was a parody of money.
Like two of the S's in the name were dollar signs.
Which she has a lot of.
No shit.
It's hard to take that away from her.
But if you were born into that, you shouldn't be begrudged having it.
unidentified
You should give away a bunch, which she does.
dan friesen
Through the mental insight foundation.
jordan holmes
Let's all get rid of our preconceptions.
dan friesen
You know, you want to hate rich people, and I understand.
I do, too.
jordan holmes
I don't want to.
dan friesen
I don't mean you, I mean one does.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
One does.
jordan holmes
I don't want to.
Want implies that there's a possibility of the other.
dan friesen
It's easy to do it, but all rich people aren't evil.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Anyway, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about anymore.
jordan holmes
Anyways, Hamdi Ulukaya, we have carried water for you at least thrice.
And it's about time that you went to the Knowledge Fight website and clicked the support the show button.
dan friesen
We would love if Jibani sponsored us.
We're at the point where sponsors should come around.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
I'm going to send him an email.
jordan holmes
Two or three.
Do it.
dan friesen
I'm buzzed enough right now.
After we end this, I'm going to send him an email offering a sponsorship.
jordan holmes
Two or three thousand dollars per episode, Hamdi.
dan friesen
Seems too high.
jordan holmes
Way too high.
No, how dare you.
We will continue to say that you aren't a piece of shit.
dan friesen
That seems like blackmail.
jordan holmes
That's not a good sales pitch.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think Jon Hamm pulled that one off in Mad Men.
dan friesen
Imagine a carousel.
Imagine every duck that was on that carousel had a bad part of your life on it.
Imagine wanting not people to see that carousel.
Kodak.
unidentified
That's a bad version of the first episode.
dan friesen
Was that the...
unidentified
No, I want that...
jordan holmes
Look, we're going to edit out a lot of this.
I want that in!
I want that in!
dan friesen
We got a website.
unidentified
We do!
dan friesen
Knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
If you wanted to follow us on Twitter, it would be at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are!
There's a Facebook group.
Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
dan friesen
It's fun.
Fun on there.
unidentified
Oh, I...
What?
jordan holmes
I'm going to be at the...
unidentified
Too late.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be...
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be at the Improv...
dan friesen
Oh, shit!
jordan holmes
Next Thursday?
God, I wish I knew what dates were.
unidentified
I'm going to be at the Improv in Schaumburg next Thursday.
jordan holmes
End of next week.
What's the date of it?
The 11th.
I'll be at the Improv next Thursday.
The 11th I'll be featuring for somebody.
dan friesen
Uncle Lair!
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
That would be great.
Check that out.
We'll also give a better plug on that next episode.
jordan holmes
I'm trying.
I'm trying to plug.
I'm not doing good at it.
dan friesen
Nah.
But that's cool.
That's cool.
You know what else?
We're on iTunes.
jordan holmes
We are on iTunes.
dan friesen
iTunes is out there.
Please subscribe.
Leave a review on iTunes.
It helps people find us.
Please leave a review on Facebook, too.
It does something.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
None of us have any clue.
dan friesen
It's all about organic growth, because we got nothing.
jordan holmes
We're just really super happy people keep finding the show.
We have no idea how to make this show bigger, but thank you for making it bigger.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So now, we come to the end of this, and I will say that Dr. Blasey Ford's mind control work...
Say one thing about it.
jordan holmes
What about it?
dan friesen
It's never killed anybody.
jordan holmes
Has anybody?
dan friesen
I know one guy who probably did.
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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