Today, Dan tells Jordan all about how, on March 9, 2009, Alex Jones decided to take a break from spreading fear about the "Globalists" trying to unleash a bioweapon in order to give his review of the Watchmen movie and to give his support to an abusive cult.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When was the last time you were sick? | ||
| It's been a long time, actually. | ||
| I've not had many bouts of illness lately. | ||
| I can't actually even remember. | ||
| I mean, there have been hangovers and stuff that have made me sick in the last year or so, but in terms of... | ||
| I feel like that's self-inflicted sickness. | ||
| I'm talking like a bug, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| I've had mild food stuff a lot. | ||
| My diet's terrible. | ||
| So I've had indigestion from food way more than any normal person should. | ||
| But no, in terms of actual sickness, I can't even remember the last time. | ||
| I think that's probably because you limit your exposure to... | ||
| Traditionally sick populations, would you say? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think that's why I'm out and about. | ||
| I see people. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you something. | ||
| You're sick. | ||
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I get it. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was just like that. | ||
| I was never, ever sick. | ||
| But my girlfriend is a... | ||
| She works in school. | ||
| So she gets 100,000 kids touching her in bullshit every day. | ||
| And so now I'm dealing with it. | ||
| And now you've got the cold right now. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I appreciate you coming in and fighting through it as we get this here adventure where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I don't know anything but what you tell me about Alex Jones. | ||
| And we make our fun. | ||
| You know, being sick sucks. | ||
| But you know what doesn't suck? | ||
| Oh, I knew that transition was coming! | ||
| That was a fucking ad pivot if I ever heard one. | ||
| Indeed it was. | ||
| What doesn't suck is our new donors like to give a shout out to a couple folks who have signed up and are supporting the team. | ||
| We really appreciate it. | ||
| First, I'd like to say thank you for joining up and becoming a policy wonk, Isabel. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you very much, Isabel. | ||
| We really appreciate it. | ||
| Also, I'd like to say thank you so much to Joshua. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Joshua. | ||
| Thank you very much, Joshua. | ||
| And then one more for today before we get down to the old brass tacks. | ||
| I'd like to say thank you to someone else who has joined up. | ||
| David, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| Oops. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, David. | ||
| You weren't, but then after he corrected it, you were and are a policy wonk. | ||
| It was on a razor's edge. | ||
| Thank you very much, David. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have a nice episode in front of us. | ||
| It's Wednesday, so everyone's probably expecting it to be Wacky Wednesday. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Every week, literally, I forget. | ||
| Because we don't record on Wednesdays, so I'm never like, oh, well, this is the Wacky Wednesday episode. | ||
| Every week, I completely forget. | ||
| I went and I watched a little bit of Project Camelot. | ||
| Carrie Cassidy put out a video that had the heading, Don't Shoot the Messenger. | ||
| I thought she might be talking to us through the screen. | ||
| Who belongs on Project Camelot now, Dan? | ||
| Yeah, me, probably. | ||
| But it was this weird thing where she was talking about how, like, what you have to understand is that most of my whistleblowers have been mind-controlled at some point. | ||
| So obviously they're going to lie a bunch of the time. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| If they tell me a lie, does that mean everything they say is a lie? | ||
| I'm like, uh, baby. | ||
| That's a good non-argument. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it makes sense in her world. | ||
| It's not an actual defense. | ||
| No, it just made me feel really bad, and I was like, I don't want to talk about them for a while. | ||
| I'm going to let them be until Mark Richards or Eddie Page comes back, and then we'll reevaluate. | ||
| Oh, man, if Eddie Page comes back, that's going to be a pay-per-view episode for us. | ||
| But for now, it's like she interviewed a super soldier, and I'm like, I don't know if I have it in my heart to meet a new player. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Now, Eddie Page has taken a lot out of me. | ||
| There's only one super soldier, and that's Kurt Russell, my friend. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Once you meet a racist alien, it's tough for anyone else to compare, quite frankly. | ||
| So we'll see what happens. | ||
| I think we've met a few. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But for now, Jordan, instead of Wacky Wednesday, we're sticking back in the past. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because we didn't do a 2009 episode for Monday. | ||
| We did that interview, which thank you to everybody who had such positive feedback. | ||
| I really appreciated everyone enjoying that. | ||
| Today we're back in 2009. | ||
| I wanted so desperately. | ||
| To cover a lot of ground. | ||
| Get a couple days taken care of. | ||
| Get it all moved on. | ||
| But I couldn't. | ||
| Oh, of course not. | ||
| Today we are just doing March 9th, 2009. | ||
| Just one day! | ||
| Just one day. | ||
| Oh my god, we're gonna be in 2009 for forever, aren't we? | ||
| Maybe, but who cares? | ||
| If that's the case, then that's the case. | ||
| I'm just, I mean, yeah, it was a happier time. | ||
| There's a happier time. | ||
| There's so much to learn back then. | ||
| Every day brings us a new huge lie that he's telling. | ||
| It's very exciting for someone like me. | ||
| Yeah, those were exciting times whenever all lies were new. | ||
| We were just emerging into Barack Obama's presidency when the lie became the truth. | ||
| We were wee babes. | ||
| Yeah, that was nice. | ||
| So, to fill everybody in who hasn't listened to all of the 2009 stuff, recently we found Alex Jones going pretty much... | ||
| Whole hog for about a month in 10th Amendment resolutions that various state houses were putting forth. | ||
| He had all of these weird state reps on who all seemed to have... | ||
| Bizarrely racist pasts. | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| All very problematic people. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| And they all come on about how the states are reasserting their sovereignty and all this. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| But then in the middle of it, Alex seems to have dropped the ball a little bit and he wants to juggle a couple more narratives. | ||
| So he brings in this false story about the avian flu release in the Czech Republic. | ||
| And so we're all over the place. | ||
| We're trying to find out when he starts talking about Soros and when he... | ||
| Decides, like, the Tea Party's pretty cool. | ||
| And so far we've seen absolutely no indications of either of those really coming into focus. | ||
| Speaking of which, quick question that I probably should have answered or asked on our previous episode. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But maybe I did. | ||
| Is 9-11 Blogger still going strong? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't look at any of the, like, front page of it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I only saw the posts that were relevant. | ||
| You only saw the relevant posts. | ||
| You didn't go to the site and see when the last time they... | ||
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I mean, it's still up. | |
| It's still up. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody's still renewing the domain registration. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I can't answer that, but I can say you can still find archived content at least. | ||
| So we're in a place where it's like, it's super weird, you know? | ||
| And I opened up this episode really strongly expecting it to continue down the avian flu path. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it seems like that's the narrative he's trying to build. | ||
| In the third hour today, I'm going to do a detailed review of the blockbuster film that was released nationwide on Friday, The Watchman. | ||
| We'll go over the characters, Night Owl, the comedian. | ||
| Rorschach, Dr. Manhattan, Silk Spectre, Ozzy Mandamus. | ||
| Oh, that's not how you say it! | ||
| I have never seen such Illuminati in your face propaganda. | ||
| It was off the charts. | ||
| And yes, spoiler alert, I am going to lay out what the film covers in detail, including the ending. | ||
| Spoilers! | ||
| He said spoilers. | ||
| It's hard to even mention it right now and then not get into it. | ||
| Well, did we say spoilers? | ||
| It's just unspeakable. | ||
| Unspeakable. | ||
| Unspeakable. | ||
| Well, you're going to try. | ||
| You know what is unspeakable? | ||
| Ozymandias, apparently, is unspeakable to Alex because he keeps calling him Ozymandamus throughout the entire show. | ||
| He calls him it like 20, 30 times. | ||
| Which is hilarious to me, first of all, because no one calls him Ozymandamus in the movie. | ||
| No! | ||
| They call him Ozymandias. | ||
| Or, you know what else? | ||
| Could have called him Adrian. | ||
| He could have just done that if he didn't want to, or Viet, if he didn't want to call him, if he has trouble pronouncing Ozymandias, by all means, go for Adrian. | ||
| All right. | ||
| There is no other way to... | ||
| The character played by Matthew Goode. | ||
| There is no other way to take that than that is exactly what Bill and Ted would have called Ozymandias if he was in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. | ||
| I mean, it's possible. | ||
| But here's the really funny thing about the fact that Alex keeps mispronouncing Ozymandias. | ||
| It really highlights... | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's an ironic, absolutely apropos thing for him to mispronounce considering his current position? | ||
| Well, it would be one thing if it was just a rant. | ||
| No, it's a reference to a really, really, really, really on-the-nose name for Alex today. | ||
| Well, see, here's the thing. | ||
| It's another name for Ramsey's II, but then more importantly, it's an allusion to two poems from 1818 by the English poet Percy Shelley. | ||
| And the theme of those poems... | ||
| Inform the understanding of Ozymandias or Ozymandamus' character. | ||
| So the idea that Alex thinks that his name is Ozymandamus doesn't recognize that the name is a literary allusion. | ||
| It leads me to believe he doesn't really have that much of an in-depth review coming. | ||
| Absolutely no clue. | ||
| Absolutely no clue. | ||
| Just my guess. | ||
| I bet he doesn't even know who Percy Bysshe Shelley was married to. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Which is also an apropos thing for reference to Alex Jones, considering what could be more Frankenstein's monster than Alex Jones in the context of the current situation we're in. | ||
| Seems that way. | ||
| Oh man, the Shelleys fucking knew Alex Jones was coming. | ||
| It was all an allegory for Alex Jones. | ||
| The whole family, yeah. | ||
| So, excuse me. | ||
| I was expecting hard science and, like, flu shit. | ||
| So when I jumped in and he comes out of the gate being like, I'm going to tell you all about The Watchmen, I was like, yes! | ||
| This episode's going to be so stupid! | ||
| Finally, somebody answered the question, who watches The Watchmen? | ||
| It's Alex! | ||
| The Info Warrior Nation. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| Here's where Alex goes, because he can't stop himself from not reviewing the movie, but then he's not really going to review it just yet. | ||
| But he wants you to know this. | ||
| Coming up in the 1 o 'clock hour today, I'm going to do a review of the Watchmen film, number one at the box office, a vicious threat to the people of the world. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| A complete Illuminati religion revealed to everyone. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| And I did a little crash course on the Watchmen. | ||
| As I said yesterday, I spent a few hours researching it. | ||
| Several people in my office are fans of the comic and have been telling me that I had to read it and had to look at it. | ||
| You hadn't yet? | ||
| And then I Googled reviews of it, and most reviews for the Watchmen are saying, we don't understand it. | ||
| You know, the New York Times and CNN, we don't get the ending of the movie. | ||
| We don't understand it. | ||
| I don't believe that for a minute. | ||
| They understand it all too well. | ||
| How could someone not understand this film? | ||
| Okay. | ||
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What are we doing? | |
| What are we doing, Dan? | ||
| This is Wacky Wednesday, Dan. | ||
| It kind of is. | ||
| This might as well be a Project Camelot episode if he's going to extrapolate the entire future of the human race through the Watchmen. | ||
| Well, because it's Alex Jones, it can never be truly wacky. | ||
| There's going to be this wacky element and then the craziest fucking thing. | ||
| This show ends in a way that, like, I can't believe Alex didn't scrub this from the internet. | ||
| Let's say that. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
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It's... | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| Does he disintegrate at the end? | ||
| Destroyed by Dr. Manhattan? | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| Ozzy Mandamus decided that Alex's show is a threat to humanity. | ||
| So, Alex, I'm going to skip this clip because it's stupid, but Alex predicts that Bernie Madoff is going to walk, which, hey, did not work out that way. | ||
| That didn't work out well for him. | ||
| Although Alex, I think, nowadays does think that Bernie Madoff faked his death and is living on an island or something like that. | ||
| Oh, that's a good idea for Bernie. | ||
| Yes, I don't know. | ||
| Either way, he's like, they're never going to charge him with anything. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Kind of did. | ||
| Then he killed himself. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, this next clip. | ||
| We like to catalog the times when Alex sings along with music and does karaoke. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun! | ||
| This instance of it, I don't want to catalog. | ||
| This is a very angry version of him doing karaoke. | ||
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I'd love to spit some beach, nothing that dude's eyes But shoot him with my old.45 Cause a country boy can survive Country folks can survive Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| Look at my big fucking truck! | ||
| We are back live. | ||
| Your calls are coming up in the next segment with a ton of other news. | ||
| Are they? | ||
| I just started thinking about all we've been through, all we've put up with. | ||
| And the enemy is so desperate to try to discredit us because they know that this radio show, Infowars.com, what we do is assemble to others to be leaders and to be bold and to stand up and to resist. | ||
| And they're afraid that you're going to get that fighting spirit. | ||
| They're afraid that you're going to commit 110% to the defense of the republic. | ||
| And they know that if you commit... | ||
| And realize who our enemy is and what their tactics are. | ||
| And if we get the word out about this, that we're going to defeat these people and they're going to end up going to prison. | ||
| So I only kept that in, first of all, because it starts with country folk can't survive, which is always a nice time. | ||
| But then I want you to hold on to that little ramble there at the end where they're afraid of us because we inspire people. | ||
| They're afraid because they know that we're going to rise up and they're going to prison. | ||
| Hold on to that. | ||
| I know it's a very standard Alex thing, but by the end of this episode, the fact that he's getting into that sort of mode is going to be fucking hilarious. | ||
| So, where are you at? | ||
| Are you wishing that he got to his Watchmen review already? | ||
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Because he didn't. | |
| No, I mean... | ||
| He's just teased it for you. | ||
| I mean, like, so what does he plan on doing for the first two hours? | ||
| Well, he rambles about Madoff. | ||
| And then he talks about how Mark Cuban, the globalist, threatened to murder his kids. | ||
| The globalist threatened to murder Mark Cuban's kids? | ||
| Well, you see, Mark Cuban put up some of the money behind Loose Change. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| I didn't know this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How did I not know this? | ||
| I don't know how. | ||
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Was this an episode of Shark Tank I fucking missed? | |
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What the shit? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Jason Burmiss showed up on Shark Tank. | ||
| Mark Cuban's like, I'm buying it. | ||
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All right. | |
| And he was going to distribute it. | ||
| We'll make tens of dollars. | ||
| Through one of his companies, he was going to distribute it. | ||
| And then also, in unrelated circumstances, he got busted for insider trading. | ||
| And Alex has conflated the two into being like, it's a consequence of him saying he was going to distribute my film. | ||
| And so he's built up this entire thing where Mark Cuban's been threatened and they're going to kill his family and all this shit. | ||
| Strangely enough, somebody that Alex defends has also recently been embroiled in a situation where people were abusing women pretty much constantly. | ||
| Isn't that odd? | ||
| Hold on to that thought until the end of this episode, too. | ||
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Great! | |
| I can't even begin to tell you how bad this thing at the end is. | ||
| It may be one of the worst... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You're teasing me like Alex is teasing me about the Watchmen! | ||
| I want you to be on edge, baby. | ||
| I want to know what exactly is going on with Rorschach. | ||
| Does his sock face actually move with the black dots? | ||
| We don't know! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So, in that last clip, Alex said he was going to take some calls, and I'll give him, he does take a few calls, and here's one of them that I thought was particularly telling about Alex's interests and his business back in 2009. | ||
| Let's talk to Bob in Connecticut. | ||
| Bob, you're on the air. | ||
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Hey, Bob. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Yes, hopefully I don't have background noise. | |
| I had static here just a minute ago. | ||
| I'm trying to find out if I can... | ||
| I know I can, but first of all, there's one verse in the Bible that said, Know this also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. | ||
| Get to it, Bob! | ||
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I don't know if it's referring to this time or it could have been back in a depression or so on. | |
| Or Nero. | ||
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But we are going to be facing perilous times according to everything you've been reporting. | |
| But I'd like to be able to help some people, if that's possible, if I can give a phone number. | ||
| It'll be my personal phone number. | ||
| Well, you know, we don't really like to do that because what we've had years ago was setups where somebody will call in and say they're one person and it's really somebody else's phone number. | ||
| And there's some liability associated with that. | ||
| And I don't really know you, Bob. | ||
| I mean, you're saying you want to help people. | ||
| Specifically, how do you want to help people? | ||
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Can I give a website then? | |
| Sure, go ahead, Bob. | ||
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Okay, it's www.ximo.com. | |
| Health, H-E-A-L-T-H dot com. | ||
| So you have a product that's going to help somebody? | ||
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Well, it gives you some energy. | |
| It gives you endurance. | ||
| People work out. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| Hey, I appreciate the plug. | ||
| It's just no other talk radio would allow that. | ||
| I try to let everybody have their say. | ||
| But if I let you do that, 10 years ago, let anybody say whatever they wanted. | ||
| People would call up saying, I've got a tractor for sale in Missouri. | ||
| Okay, and you know what? | ||
| If you want to plug something, you've got to bring some content to the show first and then work it in. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| Do you mean you've got to say some... | ||
| Reveal the... | ||
| fucking reveal the whole game! | ||
| You mean you've got to tell some limericks on air before you get a plug-in? | ||
| Is that what you're saying, Alex? | ||
| That is so overt. | ||
| You've got to bring some content to the show before you want to allow that. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| A little bit later in the show, here's what he does. | ||
| So I wanted to have... | ||
| Tyler Palmer, the founder of the company and the guy that designed this unit. | ||
| It's the best atmospheric system we've found. | ||
| Tyler, great to have you on with us. | ||
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Thanks, Alex. | |
| Thanks for having me on again, and hello to all the listeners. | ||
| I mean, we're about to break, but just explain to people that, yes, you really can grab water out of the air. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| He has his Ecola Blue water filtration CEO sponsor on as a guest. | ||
| He says to a caller earlier, you have to bring some content to the show if you're going to be plugging. | ||
| And then he has someone who he's plugging come and do embedded content on his show. | ||
| So very clear what's going on here. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| The show's nuts. | ||
| Yeah, I like it. | ||
| It has a far more ramshackle appeal than it used to. | ||
| I mean, then it does now. | ||
| Then it does now. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Of course. | ||
| Like, the idea that some dude can just be like, I want to help people. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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What are you talking about? | |
| How do you feel about helping people? | ||
| How are you going to help people? | ||
| Go to my website, www. | ||
| Dude, we've all been around the internet. | ||
| It's still 2009. | ||
| The internet's been around a while. | ||
| H-T-P, that two dot thing. | ||
| Colon, colon. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| We don't call it that. | ||
| Yeah, man, it's crazy. | ||
| There's a fun to it that is certainly absent now. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| There once was a man from Connecticut. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He broke Alex's rules on etiquette. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| I didn't think you were going to pull that out. | ||
| He gave his website. | ||
| Chances are money is tight. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| And now he is going to get... | ||
| End of it! | ||
| No! | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| I almost nailed it. | ||
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Couldn't land it! | |
| Couldn't land it! | ||
| Can't end a limerick on a slant run like that. | ||
| Yeah, what do you got? | ||
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What do you got, huh? | |
| Etiquette? | ||
| That was... | ||
| I feel like I should get points for etiquette at least. | ||
| That was a pretty good one. | ||
| Etiquette's not bad. | ||
| That was a pretty good one. | ||
| You should never end a sentence in a predicate. | ||
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Done. | |
| laughter Done. | ||
| Write it down. | ||
| That goes down to Knowledge Fight History. | ||
| Our only limerick. | ||
| So, you've been craving it, and you didn't have to wait too long. | ||
| We now get to the point where Alex begins his review of The Watchmen. | ||
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All right. | |
| And now let's see what kind of work he's put in here. | ||
| I'm now going to do my review of the film Watchmen. | ||
| Now, let's be clear here. | ||
| Please. | ||
| I'm not a big comic. | ||
| Because I've always been serious studying history and government documents and the way the world actually works. | ||
| But art mimics life, and of course mimics art itself, so that goes vice versa. | ||
| I did go see the movie Saturday night because listeners kept telling me I had to see it. | ||
| Then on Sunday I bought the Watchmen novel itself and scanned through it, and it's very, very similar to the film itself. | ||
| I've done some basic research. | ||
| Scanned the graphic novel. | ||
| That is perhaps the most revealing thing Alex has ever said. | ||
| I scanned through it. | ||
| It should be his, like, I read a lot of history books, should be replaced with, like... | ||
| I gave it a good scan. | ||
| I read the headlines of the graphic novel. | ||
| I scanned through it. | ||
| There's some bad stuff. | ||
| Zbigniew Brzezinski is in The Watchmen, I assume. | ||
| I desperately wanted to understand this thing that I'm labeling as a grave threat to humanity. | ||
| So I scanned it. | ||
| I know it's a longer graphic novel. | ||
| It's like, what, 400 pages or something like that? | ||
| It's a graphic fucking novel. | ||
| It's a long one. | ||
| But it doesn't take more than two hours to read that thing. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There are a couple patches where there are full pages of documents and stuff about the Keen Act and the Minutemen and stuff like that, but it's not like... | ||
| You could get through it. | ||
| Even if you have the reading skills of Alex, it's a fucking graphic novel. | ||
| You know, that's the weird thing about graphic novels, though, is that, like, with a book, there's a standardized way of reading through it. | ||
| Alex probably got to the first part about the dark freighter, and he's just, like, through across the room. | ||
| Oh, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| The fuck is this shit? | ||
| That wasn't in the movie. | ||
| Alex probably saw the Doomsday Prophet on the street and was like, Too close to me! | ||
| I hate this book! | ||
| I was really worried you were going to say the black kid reading the comic on the street. | ||
| And be like, I don't like this representation. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's possible, too. | ||
| I don't know why he wouldn't just go ahead and read it if he thinks it's like the Illuminati Bible. | ||
| It's hard to read. | ||
| It's not hard to read a graphic novel. | ||
| No, I mean, for Alex, it's just physically hard for him to read. | ||
| It must hurt him in some way. | ||
| Otherwise, I don't see why he's so averse to doing it. | ||
| And frankly, he could just look at the pictures pretty well and still kind of get the gist of it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a pretty solidly drawn... | ||
| But I think he might have done that and came away with some of the wrong messages. | ||
| And maybe some wrong messages about the movie, too. | ||
| And one of the first ones is illustrated... | ||
| Alex, you cannot breathe on Mars. | ||
| I don't care who's taking you. | ||
| No. | ||
| But here's the first of what I would describe as his massive misunderstandings of Watchmen. | ||
| I've done some basic research. | ||
| On the creator of Watchmen, Alan Moore, who is a mason and into all of his Illuminati. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Also, Alex, in 2018, you're saying that the Illuminati isn't real. | ||
| It's a fanciful term when you're drunk doing an interview in a hotel room. | ||
| Type stuff. | ||
| Oh, also, I forgot. | ||
| That's the reason I brought that up, is that in order for his narrative to be consistent, at some point between 2009 and 2018, in that nine years, the Illuminati had to have literally been defeated at some point. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Which I don't remember him announcing. | ||
| Oh, the great Illuminati War! | ||
| The Illuminati is now just a fanciful idea! | ||
| The Illuminati War! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you look on the cover of the novel itself, you see... | ||
| Ozzy Mandamus, the leader of the superheroes, the, quote, smartest man in the world, and he has the all-seeing eye of Horace on his breastplate. | ||
| Ozzy Mandamus. | ||
| Ozzy Mandamus. | ||
| That's never going to get old for me. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| He has the eye of Horace because his name is derived from Ramsey II. | ||
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| But the other thing, the massive misrepresentation or the misunderstanding. | ||
| That Alex seems to be having is that Ozymandias is the leader of the heroes. | ||
| No! | ||
| He's the villain! | ||
| He's the villain! | ||
| That's literally the entire point of the book! | ||
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Yes. | |
| Straight up the villain. | ||
| That's the whole thing! | ||
| He's a complicated villain, much like Rorschach is a complicated hero. | ||
| Right! | ||
| But there is no way to look at the book or the movie and think that he is the leader of the heroes. | ||
| In the graphic novel that he skimmed, Ozymandias is presented as a much more human, flawed figure. | ||
| Whereas because I think the acting is so terrible... | ||
| Matthew Goode, I don't think, was able to get those notes. | ||
| And in the movie, by cutting out the entire part about the dark freighter, you lose a lot of the context for Ozymandias' character. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That gives him the humanity of being the villain, but also... | ||
| A sacrificial villain in some ways. | ||
| Did you just recently read the book, or are you actually a fan of Watchmen? | ||
| I love Watchmen. | ||
| I read it in college. | ||
| I'm not a huge graphic novel guy, but I really like Alan Moore. | ||
| I love Swamp Thing, too. | ||
| Oh, Swamp Thing is fucking great! | ||
| Yeah, and even League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. | ||
| I haven't read all of his work or anything, but a number of my buddies were into... | ||
| Some of his stuff. | ||
| And I worked at a movie theater in high school. | ||
| He's the reason that we have The Dark Knight and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Killing Joke is a really good one, too. | ||
| He does a really good job of crafting complicated stories as opposed to... | ||
| Like, the hero stories that maybe you're more used to, of good and bad. | ||
| There's blurring of lines and shit like that. | ||
| He's also a dick. | ||
| Like, I'm not going to defend him. | ||
| He's a piece of shit. | ||
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Alan Moore? | |
| I'm sure he is. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| No, he's a piece of shit. | ||
| I'm sure he is. | ||
| And also... | ||
| He did V for Vendetta, too, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I never read that comic. | ||
| That and From Hell, I never read the comics of those, but... | ||
| Did you watch the movies of those? | ||
| I know I watched V for Vendetta. | ||
| I might have watched From Hell. | ||
| Because that came out when I worked at the theater. | ||
| And I don't have a full catalog of everything I saw at that fucking theater. | ||
| Stephen Fry absolutely killed it in V for Vernetta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody else, you know, you win or lose some, but Stephen Fry was fucking dope. | ||
| I don't like that movie because it's just, it's like an aesthetic masquerading as a movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| I absolutely agree. | ||
| I did enjoy watching it in the same way with Watchmen. | ||
| When I watched Watchmen, I didn't think it was terrible. | ||
| Like, when I watched the movie, I thought, like, I really didn't like how... | ||
| People like the Comedian and Rorschach were made into superhuman strength guys and stuff like that. | ||
| And I fucking didn't like how Night Owl was presented as like... | ||
| Confident. | ||
| I really hated that guy. | ||
| The guy who played Night Owl, I hate in literally everything he's ever been in, I hate that guy. | ||
| There's something about his face that's not likable. | ||
| It's wrong! | ||
| Yeah, I think there were a lot of problems with the movie, but watching it, I still had a positive experience of, like, it still got me amped a little bit. | ||
| A lot of the visuals were really great. | ||
| Jackie Earl Haley was perfectly cast. | ||
| He fucking nails it. | ||
| I can't remember who played Dr. Manhattan, but he was great too. | ||
| Shit, from... | ||
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Crudup. | |
| Yeah, Billy Crudup. | ||
| I think there's a lot in there that's salvageable, despite it being like, it's not as good as the graphic. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Billy Crudup also crushed it in Princess Mononoke, in case you were wondering. | ||
| I haven't seen that. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm not a nerd. | ||
| Says the guy who can pull The Watchman fucking from memory from college reading it. | ||
| I've read it a bunch of times since then. | ||
| I've bought it like six times. | ||
| It's been stolen every time. | ||
| I've lent it to somebody and then it's never come back. | ||
| So nobody is watching your copy of The Watchman. | ||
| Then one time when my house burned down I lost a copy. | ||
| Probably five of them have been stolen from me and then I just don't have one now. | ||
| Look, I think it's great. | ||
| I think Alan Moore does great work. | ||
| But it's a crazy, massive misunderstanding of the text and of the film in any way to think that Ozzy Mandamus is the hero. | ||
| You could make... | ||
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We've had back-to-back fucking great... | |
| Life is practical. | ||
| Ozzy Mandamus is walking down the street. | ||
| To quote Ozzy Mandamus, life is practical. | ||
| I mean, you could make an argument that Ozymandias was trying to present himself and position himself as the leader of all these dudes. | ||
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Right. | |
| But he wasn't the leader of the heroes. | ||
| He wasn't even the leader. | ||
| I think because he wins in the end, that's why Alex thinks he's the hero. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Because he just assumes that the hero wins. | ||
| Which is another tell. | ||
| The childish understanding of the narrative. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So let's see if he has any more to say about that. | ||
| But I think that's a glaring, huge sign of what kind of depth he's taken into the text. | ||
| And he's so dumb. | ||
| And so I want to do a basic breakdown of this film. | ||
| It is an Illuminati New World War threat, all of humanity. | ||
| It is the psychopaths love to let the public know what they're planning and what they're doing. | ||
| They believe. | ||
| That it gives them magical powers. | ||
| They call it lesser magic to advertise what they're doing and how they operate to the public. | ||
| In all fairness to Alan Moore, he did not want to be involved in the film because they changed some of the things that are in his official comic written back in the 1980s. | ||
| But he himself, again, is an admitted mason and promotes the whole Illuminati ideology. | ||
| And they reveal much of their mindset and their system. | ||
| And what they believe in, in the films. | ||
| Let's go ahead and go to part of the trailer. | ||
| He plays the trailer. | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| Of course he plays the trailer. | ||
| And it's so great for an audio medium. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a radio show. | ||
| Because it's just that slowed down version of that Smashing Pumpkins song. | ||
| And like... | ||
| Sound effects of Night Owl's jet coming out of the water. | ||
| And then Rorschach out of context saying, masses will look up to me and say help. | ||
| And I will say, no. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| And the Smashing Pumpkins kicks back in. | ||
| It's like, Alex, come on, man. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So, this concept of the lesser magic and stuff like that is just, it's so crazy. | ||
| He keeps saying that Alan Moore is a Mason, and I don't know if that's true, and I don't really care, but I started watching a documentary series on Netflix about the Masons recently, and I'm not going to watch the rest of it, but it's so cute. | ||
| That's a great conspiracy theory review. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Anytime there's a... | ||
| Oh, the Templars are the ones who are really... | ||
| You are... | ||
| Such a cutie! | ||
| You're so cute! | ||
| I do not like the idea of it being so much anti-woman and no women allowed and all that stuff, but whatever. | ||
| That's not my battle to fight necessarily with the Masons. | ||
| This documentary, they get heretofore unbelievable access to the temple, the Masonic temple in London, which is the biggest of them all. | ||
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Cool. | |
| And they're talking to all these dudes. | ||
| And they are fucking straight up dorks. | ||
| They're all dorks who are really into ritual and they show them doing a dress rehearsal of the ritual. | ||
| And you can see the Grand Master of the Lodge and he's got the script of the ritual and he's looking over it while the new Acolyte is rehearsing. | ||
| Oh, that's so cute! | ||
| It's like, these are theater dorks! | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| It's so awesome! | ||
| When I was growing up, my friend, my best friend at the time, when I was like seven or eight, was a Mason. | ||
| His dad was a Mason. | ||
| And here's my memory of the Masonic Temple. | ||
| There was a Magic the Gathering tournament there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's the kind of shit. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's so great. | ||
| It was a fun Magic the Gathering tournament. | ||
| I lost. | ||
| My friend won. | ||
| He's really, really good at it. | ||
| It's these people getting together for the most part to have a social club and to do these little mini plays that sort of give you that same charge that you might have if you did plays. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| There's a real thrill to that. | ||
| It's like singing gospel in Baptist Church. | ||
| And then there's also the regalia of the fun aprons they wear. | ||
| They're all geek. | ||
| Everybody loves them. | ||
| It's so fun. | ||
| And then, the other thing, too, that they talk about a bunch is the idea of, like, the masons, the reason that they, you know, stone mason roots and all that, what they do is they try and help people become better people through the metaphor of building. | ||
| Like, the idea of building a house, you put a brick down, and then you put another brick down. | ||
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| Put another brick down, eventually you got a good house. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the way you can... | ||
| As long as one of those bricks is Peter, of course. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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That's the way you can live your life. | |
| You can make yourself a better life by laying brick after brick after brick. | ||
| It doesn't feel as satisfying, but if you do that, that's the great wisdom of the universe. | ||
| So anyway, Alex is really invested in saying that And the man that wrote Watchman... | ||
| Alan Moore. | ||
| Alan Moore is an admitted Mason. | ||
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Admitted! | |
| And the entire... | ||
| He writes other comics like The Sandman and others. | ||
| It's all about the New World Order. | ||
| He does not write The Sandman. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| That's Neil Gaiman! | ||
| No shit. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| How dare you, sir? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Any number of things he could have pulled in there, and he pulled exactly the wrong one. | ||
| The exact wrong one! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
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And The Sandman is maybe the best graphic novel of all time. | |
| That might be why he pulled it, because he doesn't have a lot of references. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair enough. | ||
| But so, like, what you have here is you have a guy who's calling one of the main characters Ozzy Man Damus. | ||
| He has an inability to understand that that's a reference to a poem about the hubris of rulers and how their temples crumble and shit like that. | ||
| Wink! | ||
| Wink! | ||
| Well, do you remember Neil Gaiman's famous character, Sandy Man Morpheus? | ||
| Do you remember that one? | ||
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Totally. | |
| Yeah, yeah, that was a great one. | ||
| Illuminati shit through and through. | ||
| So then he's saying, yeah, Sandman is written by Alan Moore. | ||
| He doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| These are just basic facts that he's getting along. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| It's really crazy. | ||
| So here he's going to talk more about how he's going to review the film. | ||
| Doesn't really review it all that much. | ||
| Just talks about reviewing it. | ||
| I'm going to take my time doing this review because it's very, very important. | ||
| Of Watchmen, now the number one movie in theaters, and with all these different reviewers saying they don't understand the ending, they don't understand it. | ||
| Well, it's real simple. | ||
| Rorschach and also the comedian want to stop, these are the two sub-superheroes, they want to stop the planned false flag terror attack. | ||
| That they know is being planned by somebody. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Good work. | |
| Now, the comedian knows who it's being planned by, so he's torn. | ||
| He's the guy that assassinated Kennedy from behind the grassy knoll. | ||
| He's a New World Order Special Forces hitman. | ||
| He's that archetype. | ||
| So he has to be killed. | ||
| You're crushing it. | ||
| Rorschach is then finally killed because he's going to expose at the end who staged the false flag attack. | ||
| And we'll break that down coming up here in just a few minutes. | ||
| But to understand what's happening here, you have to first understand how the globalists operate, how they believe that they must reveal their plans to the public before they do it. | ||
| So he's ranting about that for a little while. | ||
| But Alex, before you understand any of this, you need to realize that this is a fictional universe. | ||
| There's a big blue magic, man. | ||
| Art imitates life, Dan, which means life imitates art. | ||
| That's a simple syllogism. | ||
| Here's the other problem with this idea of the false flag stuff and all that. | ||
| In the book, and in the movie, presumably, they're living in a universe where there is going to be a nuclear war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ozymandias' plan is awful and horrific, and that's why he's the villain. | ||
| In that universe, it worked. | ||
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| Right, exactly. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
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| There was going to be a nuclear war if he didn't do that. | ||
| Yeah, the entire point of it was the idea of, essentially, would you pull the lever? | ||
| Alright, you got one person on the train, you got five people over there. | ||
| Would you pull the lever to save five people and kill one person, or would you not? | ||
| That is the exact, that's the whole plot of the thing. | ||
| All Watchmen is, when you really boil it down and take away all of the narrative flourishes and the interesting characters, is utilitarianism debate. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
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And so for Alex to be like, so stupid. | |
| And that's not why Rorschach is killed at the end. | ||
| No. | ||
| Rorschach is killed at the end because he knows that he is incapable of stopping himself from telling these people. | ||
| It's a slight difference, but it's important. | ||
| Regardless of how he actually feels about whether or not it will work, which by the end you kind of suspect he thinks, yes, that is the thing that's going to work, but if I'm going to stick to my ideals, which is the entire... | ||
| Point of my character to begin with. | ||
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| I have to not do that, so I would rather you destroy me than me fuck your plan up. | ||
| Yeah, he basically accepts his own destruction towards the end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is... | ||
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Wait, what? | |
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I love when Alex gets into literature. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| So, we have one more clip of him breaking down the Watchmen because he doesn't really get into it too much. | ||
| Wait, I thought we were only doing March 9th. | ||
| We are. | ||
| But I thought the Watchmen was his big flagship story for March 9th. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We're like 20 minutes into this episode and it's already over? | ||
| We're 40 minutes into the episode. | ||
| Alright, but I don't understand how time works whenever we're talking. | ||
| The thing is that he doesn't really get all that deep on it. | ||
| He plays the trailer, says it's the Illuminati Bible, and what have you, and then just sort of repeats that, keeps going to break, coming back and being like, it's the number one movie at the box. | ||
| It almost feels like buzz marketing, quite frankly. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| It does kind of feel like that, doesn't it? | ||
| He keeps saying it's the number one movie in America. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| And then he keeps trying to relate it to other things. | ||
| Like, he brings in that TV show, that X-Files spin-off, The Lone Gunman, and plays... | ||
| There's a clip from that where... | ||
| Never saw that. | ||
| Is that any good? | ||
| Alex, one of his favorite things to talk about is how Dean Haglund, one of the lone gunmen, was on his show and said that the CIA told them to make a 9-11 plot on one of their episodes. | ||
| I think Alex just likes anybody who describes themselves as a lone gunman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Regardless of the consequences of their... | ||
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Those characters were so cool on the X-Files when I was 10. Good point. | |
| Don't know if it holds up. | ||
| Come on, Walker, Texas Ranger. | ||
| I did watch The Lone Gunman when I was younger, but I have very little memory of it, just because I loved X-Files, man. | ||
| It was one of my shits. | ||
| Not one of my things. | ||
| No? | ||
| Never got into the X-Files. | ||
| I feel like it's too late now. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think you could enjoy it on Netflix, like a nice binge kind of thing. | ||
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Eh, could. | |
| David Duchovny is a lot of fun. | ||
| Gillian Anderson's great. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I love them both. | ||
| And Gillian Anderson has been great in everything she's ever done. | ||
| She's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| What was that British show she was in? | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| Yeah, that one was really good. | ||
| I can't remember the name of it, but I really liked it. | ||
| Neither can I. It was really good. | ||
| She was great in American Gods. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Another thing based off of Neil Gaiman. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| It was Alan Moore. | ||
| So, all this is to say that his analysis does not run deep. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| But this next clip... | ||
| I think really sums up. | ||
| So the first misunderstanding, I believe, is that Ozymandias is a good guy. | ||
| I thought it was that his name was Ozymandamus. | ||
| That's a fork. | ||
| It's a double-pronged misunderstanding. | ||
| Well, his best friend was Socrates. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So that is the first, like, essential misunderstanding that he's making. | ||
| And then this next clip brings into sharp focus his second... | ||
| Semi-related, critical misunderstanding. | ||
| Ozzy Mandamus does blow up the World Trade Center. | ||
| And then it cuts to the wound in the earth that looks identical to the wound in the earth after they had dug it all out of the World Trade Center. | ||
| It shows all the banners of, we'll never forget, American flags and things. | ||
| And he says to Dr. Manhattan, Ozzy Mandamus, who's basically Lucifer, says to his... | ||
| Twin brother. | ||
| God. | ||
| Lucifer was actually insane. | ||
| Don't you see why I did this now? | ||
| This stopped nuclear war. | ||
| By me staging these terror attacks worldwide, now the Soviets and the United States are friends and working together. | ||
| And the bad guy, they bill him as the bad guy, Rorschach, who has been saying no to all of us, he says, that's it, I'm going to warn the world, I'm going to tell everybody. | ||
| And... | ||
| Dr. Manhattan kills him, blows him into bits, aerosolizes him. | ||
| And that is the message. | ||
| The world is saved. | ||
| There's a new kingdom being set up by the Pyramid Corporation, a world government. | ||
| And Lucifer, Ozymandamus, is going to stay on the Earth. | ||
| I'm never not going to enjoy that. | ||
| The new man is going to travel the stars as a god and says, I'm leaving to go explore the universe. | ||
| And that's how the movie ends. | ||
| And the Earth has been saved. | ||
| The bad guy has been killed. | ||
| Rorschach, who's against child molestation and against tyranny and against police brutality, he's the bad guy. | ||
| He is killed. | ||
| Everyone is saved because the evil sociopath Rorschach has been defeated. | ||
| Alex thinks he's Rorschach. | ||
| Wow! | ||
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| He really does think he's Rorschach. | ||
| Rorschach. | ||
| Rorschach. | ||
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| Alex... | ||
| Deeply identifies with Rorschach. | ||
| Yeesh. | ||
| Yeah, of course he does. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
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Like, why are they making the guy who's most like me the bad guy? | |
| They're not. | ||
| He is the most verbose asshole in maybe comics and history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is really onto his own dick. | ||
| That Rorschach character. | ||
| Yeah, and Alex thinks he could fight his way out of a prison cell. | ||
| There's all sorts of reasons. | ||
| Alex could not identify more with the, like, you think I'm in here with you. | ||
| You're in here with me! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's no other way to slice it than this entire thing is based on the misunderstanding of... | ||
| Alignments, first of all. | ||
| Good versus evil. | ||
| Or good guy versus bad guy, narratively. | ||
| And then further the misunderstanding of Alex, you think you're Rorschach. | ||
| And in this story, you think you're the bad guy. | ||
| This speaks volumes about your psychology. | ||
| Even when, ostensibly, the character you most identify with is presented as a complicated hero, you still find a way to be the victim. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Insane! | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| He's got some sort of paranoid schizophrenia. | ||
| There's no doubt. | ||
| Yeah, he's gotta have some sort of... | ||
| The fact that it's so consistent and it goes through so many different... | ||
| For so many years! | ||
| ...different tendrils, different ways of expressing itself. | ||
| It's fascinating to me. | ||
| A movie review can't be done without getting into some sort of, this is about me. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Right! | ||
| The globalists, Ozzy Mandamus, and Dr. Manhattan, the globalists, are coming together against me, Rorschach. | ||
| I guess Jason Burmess is Night Owl? | ||
| I don't know who else is around. | ||
| Rob Dew is on. | ||
| Oh, dude, this is the funniest fucking thing in the world. | ||
| So he goes to commercial and he comes back. | ||
| And Rob Jacobson comes into studio to talk about Watchmen. | ||
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| To get his... | ||
| There's no extra analysis, really. | ||
| But you can tell... | ||
| So wait, they're just talking Watchmen at this point. | ||
| For quite a bit, yeah. | ||
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| So Rob comes in and he refuses to say Ozymandias' name because he knows that Alex is saying it wrong. | ||
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And he doesn't want to embarrass him. | |
| He doesn't want to correct him! | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| He just, he keeps saying him. | ||
| You know that guy? | ||
| The character is presented as... | ||
| The one you're describing. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Ozymandamus. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| So that brings us to the end of the Watchmen portion of the show. | ||
| And Alex's familiarity with poetry. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| It's absolute nonsense that he gets everything so wrong. | ||
| He got everything wrong about the Watchmen. | ||
| It's hard to get everything wrong. | ||
| It takes a lot of work to be wrong about everything because the Watchmen has a lot of themes that... | ||
| Everybody can really kind of understand, no matter where. | ||
| Like, even if you don't agree with, like, the overarching themes or anything like that, you can find one or two. | ||
| Like, why doesn't Alex just go, like, that character, the comedian, he really knew what the fuck was up, you know? | ||
| Like, that's kind of what he is. | ||
| That's his region, you know? | ||
| What? | ||
| Some problems with that character. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's why Alex would like him. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So let's move along. | ||
| I don't think he got to the bottom of anything except to just, you know, say what he wanted to say all along, which he could have done in like five minutes, which is, I am Rorschach. | ||
| They are bad. | ||
| They made a movie trying to say I'm bad. | ||
| That was all about me. | ||
| How does the movie end? | ||
| It ends with Dr. Manhattan is blamed for the attack on New York. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so Dr. Manhattan decides he's going to live in the stars or whatever. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And then he realizes he has to be the bad guy in order for humanity to come together. | ||
| As opposed to the giant psychic squid that comes into Manhattan in the book. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Dr. Manhattan isn't blamed and made the bad guy in the book. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I think is a better ending. | ||
| I think the movie is worse than the book, but I think Dr. Manhattan... | ||
| Because in the movie, if Dr. Manhattan is blamed at the end, then what that really says is that God is the ultimate enemy that we have to face in order to fight, in order to break ourselves from the constant cycle of violence between each other. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Because what is Dr. Manhattan other than a physical representation of God? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, he also says that the symbol on his head is like an Illuminati, but it's a hydrogen atom. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's just a regular atom. | ||
| Like, it's just like, if an atom is the symbol of the Illuminati, then that kind of... | ||
| Boy, everybody's an Illuminati. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, it's been fun talking about this, because it's always fun to, you know... | ||
| Whenever Alex brings up something we can actually enjoy, it's kind of fun. | ||
| But he's such an impossibly bad reader or interpreter. | ||
| It's fascinating to me the level of missing the point. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's got a combative freshman in high school lit. | ||
| Kind of ability to understand things. | ||
| Somewhat, yeah. | ||
| Where it's like some dude who just has all of this pent-up rage and inability to process his puberty. | ||
| And that's where Alex got stuck. | ||
| But if you live... | ||
| If you're reviewing a piece of narrative fiction... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you mean predictive programming? | ||
| It behooves you to live within the parameters that that universe sets. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Because otherwise the story is different. | ||
| If you try and say that this is real and one-to-one applicable to real life, you're depriving the work of its context. | ||
| You're depriving it of its actual meaning. | ||
| How many terms was Nixon in during the Watchmen? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It came out in 86. Yeah. | ||
| Oh, you mean in the book? | ||
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Yeah, in the book. | |
| He was president for a little bit longer than you're supposed to be. | ||
| Especially as long as he was. | ||
| And masked superheroes don't exist in our time stream or whatever. | ||
| Our reality is not depicted by Watchmen. | ||
| Alex is stupid. | ||
| Alex is dumb. | ||
| So here he's stupid again. | ||
| He has another guest on this episode. | ||
| He moves along. | ||
| No longer sees fit to just talk to his water filter sponsor. | ||
| He has another guest. | ||
| All right. | ||
| For this single segment, we have Representative Dennis Richardson of Oregon, who has introduced the bill, HJM 17, in Oregon, to declare Tenth Amendment sovereignty, which the states already have, but it's important to restate that. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Alex is back on his bullshit. | ||
| Is it important to restate it? | ||
| The Tenth Amendment is back, my friend. | ||
| Couldn't you just, like, sue? | ||
| We missed it! | ||
| We missed these little short dalliances into learning about shitty state representatives. | ||
| So tell me, Dan, I assume that you looked into representative... | ||
| Dennis Richardson. | ||
| Well, I'll say that the interview is the exact... | ||
| If you've seen one, you've seen them all. | ||
| They're all the exact same interviews about these Tenth Amendment resolutions. | ||
| Well, it's definitely not because the president's black. | ||
| Anyways, we have made-up reasons that are just there to hide the fact that we're angry that the president's black. | ||
| Here's a few choice hits from Dennis Richardson's past. | ||
| In 2007, he gave a speech from the House of Representatives floor saying that gay men are more likely to abuse children, a widely debunked statistic. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Two years later, he characterized same-sex marriage as being different than, quote, normal marriage during a speech at the City Club of Portland. | ||
| Youth pastors are more likely to abuse boys. | ||
| Also in April 2007, he sent out an email that started thusly, quote, This past week has been like no other. | ||
| On Monday, the world witnessed the tragedy at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. | ||
| Those are not the same fucking thing! | ||
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Those are not equivalent in any respect! | |
| What? | ||
| Oh yeah, he got in a little heat. | ||
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What the fuck was that? | |
| Well, it's a fundraising email. | ||
| What? | ||
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Of course. | |
| That's the way his brain thinks, though. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| It's like these two tragedies have fallen off. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Right. | ||
| So he's a big old homophobe. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Kill him. | ||
| He's a pile of shit. | ||
| Kill him! | ||
| So it's just to say, hey, man, all of these dudes that you're having on for these Tenth Amendment things seem like they all are either racists or homophobes. | ||
| Really seems like they're all stuck in a very white dude portion of history. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It is statistically impossible that all of the people Alex would have on have that in common. | ||
| If you just took a random sample set of even people who are state senators, it would be impossible that all of them have bigotry in their past. | ||
| I kind of disagree with you. | ||
| Yeah, I might have gone down the wrong path. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to go with... | ||
| I think the fun thing about Obama being president is that... | ||
| It gave all of those right-wing racists, or what you and I would call Republicans, a common boogeyman that allowed them to keep their other hatreds at bay. | ||
| They were like, oh, we can't have a black president. | ||
| But now that they've got their guy in... | ||
| Now they get to go towards everybody. | ||
| Like, we hate immigrants. | ||
| We hate gay people. | ||
| Like, they're just shooting hate left and right like so many teenagers masturbating. | ||
| It smoked them out of their holes a little bit. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's frustrating. | ||
| This is also going to be frustrating, this next clip. | ||
| We're not going to listen to any of Dennis Richardson's appearance because, like I said, they're all the same. | ||
| Fuck that guy. | ||
| This is a very weird way that Alex comes back from break in the middle of the show. | ||
| You know, a point I don't make enough on air that I think about constantly... | ||
| You do. | ||
| ...is the United States is 4% of the world's population. | ||
| But we had more than half the world's wealth. | ||
| Now most of that's been stolen. | ||
| Why? | ||
| A small amount of the land geographically in the world, a small amount of people... | ||
| And we weren't perfect, but we did follow biblical systems that cut back on corruption, that allowed free market to flourish, and we were the apple of the world's eye. | ||
| So the globalists came here, took over the nation, set up shop, used the United States to set up their world government. | ||
| Now they're done with us. | ||
| They're going to make us just one more bankrupt third world country. | ||
| South Africa's got roughly twice the resources we have at every level. | ||
| But they're in total squalor, and it's all falling apart. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| Alex, is it possible there's some variables you're not taking into consideration here? | ||
| Is it possible that you're telling a version of history that's on par with your understanding of Watchmen in terms of accuracy? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Here's what I'm going to do from now on out. | ||
| I'm going to try and pull a corollary to a graphic novel. | ||
| And what he just described there, that is the graphic novel 100 Bullets, Dan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Nerd. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The idea that it's so fucking funny. | ||
| Another great Vertigo title along with the Sandman. | ||
| We used to have half of the world's wealth, but it's all been stolen. | ||
| So fucking funny. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| Wait, is that what he said? | ||
| Because I thought he meant we have half the world's wealth and it's all been stolen. | ||
| Because we stole it? | ||
| Yeah, because that makes sense. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He was saying, since the time that we used to have half the world's wealth, it has all been stolen from us. | ||
| But that doesn't make sense. | ||
| Sure doesn't. | ||
| Because we kind of stole half the world's wealth. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Didn't we? | |
| Interesting. | ||
| I'm pretty sure we did. | ||
| That's why it makes it even more tragic that he's bringing up South Africa immediately afterwards. | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| We, by which I mean white dudes, had a good run. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yep. | ||
| So, Jordan, now we come to the last guest of the show. | ||
| Alex has said his piece. | ||
| He's given his breakdown of The Watchmen. | ||
| He's told a caller that if they want to plug things, they've got to bring content to the table. | ||
| Better bring a limerick. | ||
| All of this is totally cool. | ||
| And now we get to this last guest. | ||
| For some reason, the name of the last guest, just from a guest that popped into my mind, and I don't know why. | ||
| Danny Bonaduce. | ||
| Is he going to have Danny Bonaduce? | ||
| I don't know if he's ever been on. | ||
| No, it's a guy named Greg Pound. | ||
| And who he is is less important than what he brings up. | ||
| All right, Greg Pound does great work at FreeOurKids.com and FreeOurChildren.com. | ||
| He calls up every week talking to the producer, and he told me today, and everything he's always told me has turned out to be documented, that he wanted to come on about CPS grabbing people's children for not being vaccinated. | ||
| You mean my CPS? | ||
| And I've seen mainstream articles about that, and I wanted to talk about that. | ||
| I was ready for that. | ||
| And then he said, no, I've got guests on from the... | ||
| Tony Alamo or Alamo Ministries, and I'm familiar with how they've been persecuted, and I've studied the case because listeners have sent me the news clips and articles for about a year. | ||
| I've been researching and even thought about getting Tony Alamo on. | ||
| It's been quite a witch hunt against this guy because people don't like politically what he's covering and what he's doing. | ||
| So Tony Alamo is being persecuted. | ||
| We've got this Greg Pound who's coming on to talk about it. | ||
| Let's see where he goes with this. | ||
| Why is this Tony Alamo being persecuted? | ||
| Yeah, let's go to Pound Town. | ||
| Greg... | ||
| There's always so much going on because you had your children kidnapped. | ||
| I got the mainstream articles. | ||
| The lady that did it lost her CPS license because she admittedly falsified evidence. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| You don't get your children back. | ||
| Now your wife had another baby. | ||
| She's in hiding, so they can't get the baby. | ||
| I haven't seen the baby in a few years. | ||
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What? | |
| Just recapping for listeners. | ||
| You had told my producer you were coming on about kidnapping children for not being vaccinated. | ||
| Is that specifically what we're talking about right now? | ||
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Well, the thing is, is this alamoministries.com. | |
| It's basically, I mean, they do their studying, and we know as parents that these immunizations aren't the best thing for our children. | ||
| Okay, specifically then, I hadn't found out which group this was. | ||
| I remember reading that they were going after them for not immunizing when there's no rules. | ||
| They tried to take Charlie Sheen's children. | ||
| That was in the L.A. Times because he doesn't vaccinate. | ||
| Okay, so Tony Alamo's ministry is being persecuted because he doesn't want to vaccinate the children that are in his church. | ||
| Alamo. | ||
| Alamo, yes. | ||
| And I guess that's the narrative that we're putting forth. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| I mean, look, you know, you do have a right to put your children in danger that way, I guess. | ||
| If the parents decide. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And we should give them smallpox. | ||
| Sure, I mean, look. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Is that the story we're going to be going with? | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Is this going to change at all? | ||
| Well, I mean, I've seen the cases with the Alamo case. | ||
| Wasn't it that some parents spanked lightly one of their children, and that's why they're grabbing hundreds of people's children? | ||
| I mean, let's talk about some of the things that have happened in this case. | ||
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Angela? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Well, one of the things is they did say that they had spanked their children. | ||
| It was parents, you know. | ||
| But there's no law against that. | ||
| There's no law, but they still take children because it's not real courts. | ||
| So they're not real courts, and they're taking these children because Tony Olamo is... | ||
| Not vaccinating and then they're spanking kids? | ||
| Hey, as somebody whose family members were in a cult that killed a kid via all the things that they just described, how about go fuck yourself? | ||
| I mean, this all just seems so minor, though, you know? | ||
| I mean, this guy is clearly persecuted by the out-of-control government. | ||
| There's no law against murdering your own children. | ||
| Hey, Jordan, I want to tell you a little bit about Tony Alamo. | ||
| Let's hear about Tony Alamo. | ||
| You don't know about this guy? | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Born in 1934 under the name Bernie Lazar Hoffman. | ||
| That's not a good sign! | ||
| Why does it... | ||
| Tony Alamo and his wife Susan began their ministry and mission for God in 1969. | ||
| They formed Alamo Christian Ministries and set out to build a congregation. | ||
| If there's anything I know about people who formed their ministry in 1969, no sinister elements at all! | ||
| None. | ||
| They did so. | ||
| They built their church largely by going to inner city areas and preaching to the destitute and drug addicted, promising them food and shelter at their church. | ||
| Of course, their church was located in rural Crawford County, Arkansas, so once the folks got out there, they would realize they were kind of stuck and often decided to stay, and ended up working for one of Alamo's businesses or at his farm for no pay other than room and board. | ||
| I hear a Jim Baker going on right now. | ||
| Some might call that slavery. | ||
| But in this case, Tony Alamo demands that anyone who joins his church take a vow of poverty. | ||
| So really, it would be impossible for them to be a member of his church and simultaneously take a salary. | ||
| So he's really just cutting out the middle step of them having to give it back to the church after he paid them. | ||
| You know, you could say the same thing about Jesus and Christianity. | ||
| So for years, this appeared to be... | ||
| That was kind of his thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For years, this appeared to be a very basic, exploitative, religiously-based community. | ||
| Tony was taking advantage of the people he recruited into his church, but he was also offering them drug treatment services, and there did appear to be some good work that he was doing by them. | ||
| You know, people were able to get clean. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I'm not saying that they were doing this necessarily by choice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's some fucked up aspects to it. | ||
| The hammer's about to be dropped, isn't it? | ||
| Then, in 1982... | ||
| Oh, here comes the hammer. | ||
| His wife, Susan, died of cancer, and by all accounts, Tony went off the deep end. | ||
| Oh, so this is a fucking Heaven's Gate situation. | ||
| kept Susan's body on display in their church because he believed that he was capable of bringing her back to life. | ||
| All right, that's not good. | ||
| According to Alicia Frankowitz, who escaped the Alamo compound at the age of 15, quote, she and other compound children if they prayed hard enough, Alamo's wife, Susan, who died from cancer after the compound moved to Arkansas, would rise from the dead. | ||
| Each day she did not awaken, the children were beaten. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
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Oh! | |
| For every day? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Though, though he is said to have lost it after his wife died, that does not mean that Tony wasn't a total lunatic cult leader before then. | ||
| Tony employed a process of breaking down initiates and stripping them of their identity, as survivor Diane Bach told Oregon Live, quote, you slept on the floor in a sister's room. | ||
| You didn't have beds. | ||
| A few of the chosen ones had beds, but you didn't. | ||
| Never heard that one before. | ||
| Again, from Diane Bach. | ||
| Quote, They were told what to wear, what to say, what to think. | ||
| All meals were served in a cafeteria with no choices. | ||
| She said anyone could be publicly rebuked without warning, and most of the followers lived in constant fear. | ||
| One day, Bach said she petted a llama on the grounds. | ||
| Soon, an announcement came over the loudspeaker during a church service from Susan Alamo, who said there was, quote, something mentally wrong with Bach for petting the llama. | ||
| Quote, that was the message. | ||
| There was no explanation. | ||
| The rest of the prayer meeting was a blur. | ||
| The rebuke meant that others in the compound refused to interact in any fashion with Bach for several months. | ||
| That is brand new behavior for a cult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| As time went on, naturally, Tony got more abusive. | ||
| What? | ||
| In September 2008, federal... | ||
| He didn't mellow? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| In September 2008, federal and state police raided Alamo's compound after receiving some complaints and engaging in a two-year investigation. | ||
| Remember the Alamo. | ||
| Accused of physically and sexually abusing children. | ||
| Tony claimed that it was, quote, a hoax, and when asked why he was being targeted, he replied, quote, why were they after Jesus? | ||
| It's the same reason. | ||
| Jesus is living within me. | ||
| When the dust settled, Alamo was arrested and convicted of ten counts in a federal indictment accusing him of transporting minors across state lines for the purpose of sex. | ||
| He received 175 years in prison and died behind bars in 2017. | ||
| That's somehow not long enough. | ||
| No. | ||
| Can we put his body on display for six months and beat anybody near him? | ||
| Brady doesn't come back? | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| The stories that came out in the investigation and the trial are the sickest of the sort of shit you always hear about cult leaders. | ||
| Tony Alamo was running an abuse factory where he would bring in young girls between the ages of 8 and 16 and make them his bride. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| In court, his attorney appealed for mercy, asking that the court consider Alamo's good works. | ||
| To which one of his victims, Jane Doe No. | ||
| 2, said, quote, I can't believe you have the audacity to ask for mercy. | ||
| What mercy did you ever show us? | ||
| One day less on a fast, maybe? | ||
| Or 139 strikes with a board? | ||
| It's a quote from trial for one of his victims. | ||
| Cool, cool, cool, man. | ||
| Thankfully, U.S. District Judge Harry Barnes was not interested in granting any leniency, and he said, quote, This court believes you should be incarcerated in federal prison for the rest of your natural life. | ||
| Someday you will meet a judge with higher authority than me. | ||
| May you have mercy on your soul. | ||
| Earlier this year, in 2018, two of Alamo's child brides came forward to share their stories, and it's as bad as you would expect. | ||
| Amy Eddy was 14 when she was forced to marry Tony, and Pebbles Rodriguez was 12. They lived as his brides for around a decade and were regularly beaten, starved, and raped. | ||
| Amy described her time in the cult, quote, I was terrified that if I didn't do what I was supposed to do when he told me to do it, no matter what it was, I'm going to hell. | ||
| Amy and Pebbles were two of the young girls who were freed during the 2008 raid, which Alex and his guests here on this show are trying to present as some instance of the government coming and stealing innocent people's children because they refused to get vaccines or were spanked. | ||
| So that's the way that he is presenting this serial child rapist. | ||
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Yep. | |
| As somebody who lightly spanks people. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
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I almost think... | |
| That Alex doesn't really care about the victims. | ||
| Now, here's where things get real messy. | ||
| Alex, repeatedly, already in the shit that we've listened to, has said he's looked into this. | ||
| He said he's studied it because people have been telling him for a year to look into this. | ||
| He's claiming that if he's looked into it at all, he would find... | ||
| The arrest and the raid was in 2008. | ||
| We're in 2009. | ||
| We're in March 2009 here. | ||
| A lot of this information has come out. | ||
| Now, granted, he's not sentenced until September 2009, but a lot of this information has come out. | ||
| And the children who were taken out were fucking rescued. | ||
| These are people, like, if you listen to Amy and Pebbles, their telling of it, it was a being saved. | ||
| If you listen, if you hear the accounts from other, even adult members of the church who managed to escape, it's the sort of thing that has lasted the rest of their lives. | ||
| They're like 50-year-old people who still can't make choices. | ||
| Because of the brainwashing and the abuse that they suffered in Antonio Lamo's hands. | ||
| It's all this church was about. | ||
| It was about him stealing all of their money and mentally fucking over and abusing all of these people. | ||
| He had a harem of child brides. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Totally fucked up. | ||
| Like, I hate to continue saying that I'm against the death penalty, but some guys just gotta fucking go. | ||
| You gotta, you can't. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just know, like, you're not a member of the human race. | ||
| Goodbye! | ||
| And if you're a truth teller, if you're someone who's doing a radio show where you purport to have, like, all the best information, you can't. | ||
| You cannot allow some guest to blindside you. | ||
| And make you endorse the Alamo Church. | ||
| No, because you know what he's endorsing? | ||
| Child fucking rape. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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All the shit, all of the pedophile rings, all of that shit. | |
| He's actually supporting a guy who runs a fucking pedophile ring! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
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Fuck! | |
| Alex Jones straight up is endorsing Tony Alamo. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I told you it was going to be one of the worst things ever. | ||
| Fucking Christ! | ||
| Now, to make it even worse. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| I want to go back to find the cult leader that my parents lived with and fucking murder that piece of shit. | ||
| I thought you were going to say, I want to go back to the Watchmen. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I kind of want to go back to the Watchmen. | ||
| I have a lot of thoughts. | ||
| So, Jordan, during Alamo's trial... | ||
| Self-indulgent at times, Dan! | ||
| During Alamo's trial, quote, Across the street, Antavia Meggs, a former follower, held a sign which read, You reaped what you sowed. | ||
| No mercy. | ||
| Meg's three children, ages 4, 5, and 6, were last seen in the custody of John and Jennifer Kolbeck. | ||
| John Kolbeck is a fugitive who's wanted for allegedly beating kids and adults at Alamo's bidding. | ||
| He, one of the former members of the church, kidnapped three of this lady's children. | ||
| She's not seen them since. | ||
| He's a fugitive on the run. | ||
| So Alex's entire story that he's telling about the idea that the government came and kidnapped these people's children when they were rescuing child brides of a cult leader, it actually, when you dig a little bit deeper into the story, you find that that cult did kidnap people's children. | ||
| He's on the exact wrong side of this. | ||
| Did he get caught? | ||
| Tony Alamo? | ||
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No, no. | |
| I don't have a follow-up on that. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I hope he did. | ||
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Can we do it? | |
| Fucking hope he did. | ||
| Are fucking... | ||
| Are posses still allowed? | ||
| Can we get a posse together? | ||
| Is that what we do? | ||
| What you need to do is you need to go out in public. | ||
| Do we get fucking horses? | ||
| You need to go out in public with a big boombox like your Radio Raheem and just play Beer for My Horses by Toby Keith. | ||
| Oh, that'll do it. | ||
| That'll do it. | ||
| And Willie Nelson. | ||
| And they'll all come running. | ||
| The posse shows up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Find all the rope in Texas. | ||
| Find a tall oak tree. | ||
|
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Hang up all them bad boys for the people to see. | |
| In your daily life, you just... | ||
| I don't believe that these monsters are real. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And these monsters are fucking real. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| This is a real... | ||
| Totally. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| It's very fucked up to, like, realize that these people exist. | ||
| And then it's further fucked up for me to go about my business doing this show and learning so many horrible things about Alex Jones, and then stumble into on the show where he's fucking hilariously saying Ozymandamus a bunch. | ||
| And then at the end... | ||
| How do you do both? | ||
| How? | ||
| How do we do both, Dan? | ||
| On the same episode! | ||
| I'm waiting for you to sue me for PTSD in three years. | ||
| Like, this is my fault. | ||
| This is fucking... | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| How do you do this? | ||
| I just don't understand. | ||
| Like, isn't that why we're so fascinated by serial killers and call leaders and by Alex Jones? | ||
| What happened that broke a human brain to the point where now it is completely divorced from any concept of empathy or even sympathy? | ||
| Just mentally non-existent. | ||
| Just a pure creature of self-interest. | ||
| I don't understand it. | ||
| Now, what's even more fucked up is I don't think that's a fair assessment of what Alex is doing. | ||
| Like, I really don't. | ||
| I don't think at the end of this episode him talking to this guy and accidentally or intentionally endorsing Tony Alamo, I don't think he's acting in self-interest. | ||
| I think he's trying to cover his lack of awareness about anything. | ||
| I think he's trying to spackle over how stupid he is by pretending that he knows about this actual case. | ||
| He doesn't know shit about this. | ||
| If he actually did know anything about it, he would absolutely not be on board with this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I want to say. | ||
| I want to believe you. | ||
| I genuinely do. | ||
| I want to believe that... | ||
| That what you're saying makes sense. | ||
| But the more we learn about Alex, the more it's like, he'll defend anybody who owns the... | ||
| Who, like, exists outside of what the liberals want you to believe. | ||
| And even if that includes fucking child rape. | ||
| I find it so impossible to believe that that societal taboo would be something that he would be okay with. | ||
| Like, I... | ||
| And then maybe that's just my feeling that there's that... | ||
| Sliver of humanity left in him. | ||
| But I might be wrong, too. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I think it's more likely that he's just fucking stupid. | ||
| And he expected to talk about just vaccine bullshit with this guy. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And he brings in the Alamo stuff and Alex can't show ass on air. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And be like, I have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or just be like, let's rebook. | ||
| I have more thoughts about Ozzy Mandamus. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Let's just go with that or something. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I think... | ||
| Remember when he bit the head off of a bat? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's probably mostly posturing. | ||
| I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that might be the most optimistic reading that's possible. | ||
| So, we now know about... | ||
| Once again, the stupid evil continuum becomes a fucking fraught conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, I'm going to skip this one. | ||
| It just makes it clear that this Greg Pound guy is a part of the Alamo Ministries. | ||
| Oh, he is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this Greg Pound guy is actually in the game on the Lavo... | ||
| It appears so, yeah. | ||
| I can't say 100%, but based... | ||
| I'll play this clip. | ||
| I'll let you see what I mean. | ||
| The way he's phrasing things, there's a lot of inclusive language when he talks about the group, which he never directly says, I'm a part of this group, but it feels like he's expressing communion. | ||
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Alice, I want to thank you for being there because every time I've called, you have opened your program up in order for us to cry out as parents. | |
| I mean, I haven't seen my kids now for over a year. | ||
| This has gone on for four years. | ||
| For three years, we could only see them one hour a month. | ||
| You should never see your fucking kids again. | ||
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People were to go to the LMOministries.com and look at, they put on their website the stipulations when they go to visit their kids, what they can and can't say, they can't whisper to their children. | |
| And this is what they're doing. | ||
| They're isolating the parents from the children, and if they destroy our families, we have no nation. | ||
| And there's no new process, there's no nothing, and they're clearly targeting Christians everywhere, particularly this is persecution. | ||
| So I don't know what to do with this Greg guy. | ||
| I hate him, but I don't know what to do with him. | ||
| I don't know what box to put him in, in terms of him being like a facilitator between Alamo and Alex, or actually... | ||
| Dan, I'm going to go with coffin on this one. | ||
| I'll tell you what box to put him in, Dan. | ||
| I can't find any information about Greg Pound on the internet either. | ||
| So I tried to look into who is this guy. | ||
| I can't find shit about him. | ||
| That's probably a pseudonym. | ||
| He was born, what, Bernie whatever. | ||
| Hoffman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex, I think that he should have started the interview with this and then not... | ||
| Continued the interview ever? | ||
| And then also not said what he says at the end of this clip. | ||
| Greg, you know, a lot of times when you call us, it's such short notice. | ||
| We need to really make sure that next time you come on, I specifically know everything we're going to be covering. | ||
| But give us the Alamo Ministries site again and recap anything else you want to cover. | ||
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Well, it's alamoministries.com. | |
| And if you just go there and study this ministry, it's hard to believe that they can take 37 children out there and then have a pickup order for 120 more. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's not hard to believe at all. | ||
| It's very gracious. | ||
| It's the best thing they could do for these poor fucking kids. | ||
| So here's the last clip. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| But the thing is, Alex saying, when you come on, you've got to let me know what we're going to talk about. | ||
| Hey, that's good. | ||
| You should go with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go with that. | ||
| Yeah, stick on that one. | ||
| But then, while you're sort of tacitly admitting that you don't know what you're talking about, don't then allow this guy to plug Alamo Ministries. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| You don't know what you're letting this guy plug. | ||
| And then Alex says this. | ||
| Stalin, Hitler, Mao, they all go after the children. | ||
| The state always tries to take over the future. | ||
| Angela and others, what I'm going to do is, Greg, bringing you up, what I need to do is get like an hour and a half with you and Pastor Tony Alamo of Alamo Ministries on. | ||
| I've been meaning to cover this. | ||
| There's just so many cases of them grabbing children and harassing churches, and it's been proven that they've made almost everything up, and now they're saying they're taking the children over vaccines. | ||
| I want to do justice to this instead of it just being all over the map. | ||
| So, you know, I mean, I would guess you've talked to Pastor Alamo. | ||
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Alex, the church is like a sleeping giant, and if the church doesn't wake up in America, I mean, if you could tap into the church and get the church woken up. | |
| I mean, this battle will be... | ||
| No, I understand that. | ||
| We don't have a lot of time left. | ||
| I'm saying, can we set up a longer interview with you guys? | ||
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Yeah, that'll work. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Are we still doing this? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I mean, that speaks for itself, man. | ||
| That's disgraceful. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| I don't know what else to say other than Alex, whether intentional or just through his own stupidity. | ||
| Running a propaganda PR front for a guy who marries kids. | ||
| Also, you're not going to get that hour-long interview with him because that guy is in jail. | ||
| Well, you could always go visit him with a fucking pencil. | ||
| Or a crayon? | ||
| Or a crayon. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Christ. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| That's a real bummer, deflating thing to end this episode with. | ||
| How do you... | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| This is why the show is still like... | ||
| How do you fucking do it? | ||
| This is why the show in 2009 for me is so interesting as opposed to in the present. | ||
| In the present we're seeing the self-destruction of someone who I do think is kind of dangerous to himself. | ||
| And it's not really fun. | ||
| It's harder to laugh at him. | ||
| And it's still hard to laugh at him promoting a sex cult. | ||
| Abusing children. | ||
| I'm fine with the sex cult. | ||
| It's the abusing children part that's the issue. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Any kind of swing in sex cult. | ||
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Hey! | |
| It's tough. | ||
| Call that Tuesdays. | ||
| At the same time, this is a fascinating show. | ||
| Archaeologically. | ||
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Anthropologically. | |
| Looking back at this, this is incredibly fascinating. | ||
| The way he can set out to deconstruct Watchmen, get everything wrong with it. | ||
| Come up with a bunch of other bullshit along the way, try and sell some water filters, and then stumble like Mr. Magoo, ass backwards into endorsing the things that he is ostensibly most against. | ||
| This is a fascinating time for him. | ||
| I don't know how else to put it. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| I mean, that is... | ||
| It is interesting to watch him be wrong about everything, always. | ||
| This episode is maybe the most wrong he's been for a contiguous period of time. | ||
| With no redeeming... | ||
| Anytime we've talked about him, there's been one moment where you're like... | ||
| Yep, you know what? | ||
| You're not wrong about that. | ||
| Why you're not wrong about it is wrong, but you're not wrong about it. | ||
| And then this episode is like, he's an unrepented, piece of shit, ignorant bastard. | ||
| And it's so fun because it's so many different kinds of wrong. | ||
| It's like he's trying to bat for the cycle within an episode. | ||
| Like trying to get a single, a double, a triple, and a home run of wrong. | ||
| Trying to be wrong on every count. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I mean, you know, it hurts your humanity to some extent to hear this sort of thing. | ||
| But at the same time, like, just from my end, I would do this all day as opposed to talking about him in the present. | ||
| So, but Greg Pound has been on before. | ||
| Yeah, but I've not heard it. | ||
| So he hasn't been on in the 2008 or 2009 episodes that I've listened to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that means that... | ||
| Alex was aware of Alamo Ministries, right? | ||
| He has to have been on some level. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| We can't say for sure if Greg Pound's other appearances have had to do with Alamo or not. | ||
| I'm convinced it's Alamo. | ||
| I've read that the emphasis on the second syllable. | ||
| Alamo. | ||
| I know, but it's hard not to say Alamo. | ||
| Alex is also being tricked by his love of Colonel Travis. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And the Alamo, he's like, oh, they named it Alamo. | ||
| Tony Alamo? | ||
| Tony Alamo? | ||
| Well, I gotta defend this fucking guy! | ||
| You can't be wrong. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| That's just science! | ||
| So yeah, I mean, I think other times he's been on, he's probably talked about more... | ||
| Like, CPS is taking kids kind of narratives. | ||
| Vaccines are being forced on people. | ||
| Stuff that's more germane to Alex's bread and butter. | ||
| Whereas this... | ||
| I mean, the way that Alex said, even in that clip, like, you gotta let me know what we're gonna talk about ahead of time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That indicates to me that that's even a departure a little bit from what the two of them usually talk about. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It indicates to me that Alex is a little bit uncomfortable, but not... | ||
| I think the uncomfortableness is he recognizes... | ||
| He's being taken off guard. | ||
| He's slightly out of his depth. | ||
| He can't speak with authority about Alamo Ministries except for to use his normal platitudes. | ||
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Right. | |
| He can't bring up, like, document 501B49 or... | ||
| PDD50. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know about this church and I'm going to stand on... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He can't grandstand it all. | ||
| He has to sort of play passive. | ||
| He's out of position, to use poker terminology. | ||
| It's weird to me. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And it's super weird on this level of, like, you look at this 2009 stuff, he's not playing good defense, but he has the instinct to play defense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's fascinating. | ||
| The psychology is very... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just a... | ||
| I don't know what to say, because I feel like anything... | ||
| Bless you. | ||
| I feel like anything I say is too close to, like... | ||
| Intellectualizing this horror that is the end of this episode. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| I think that is part of the pitfall of the detachment of ten years. | ||
| The past, yeah. | ||
| We're not talking about... | ||
| If Alex was doing this in present day, it'd be... | ||
| I don't know how. | ||
| I'm already fucking furious. | ||
| But with the distance of ten years, you're like... | ||
| Well, I mean, of course he defended a child rapist. | ||
| Like, that doesn't make sense at all. | ||
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But yeah, it's a rational detachment. | |
| I mean, he's defending Kavanaugh. | ||
| It's not a one-to-one parallel, but... | ||
| Eh, might as well be. | ||
| It's, uh, I mean... | ||
| Jesus, these fucking guys, man. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| These fucking guys. | ||
| It's fucking wild. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right, Jordan, let's end this. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah, this has been... | ||
| Fun and not fun, as is the case with all of our episodes. | ||
| We leave both simultaneously and separate. | ||
| Our brand is hilarious. | ||
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No! | |
| No! | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| There's not a lot of shows that can go from Ozymandamus to... | ||
| Child rapists are good. | ||
| Like, that's hard to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hey, this guy who marries children is being persecuted because some parent spanked a kid. | ||
| Hard to do. | ||
| Charles Manson had some good ideas. | ||
| That sounds like me. | ||
| He was an environmentalist. | ||
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Our website is knowledgefight.com. | |
| If you guys want to check that out, we have some stuff there. | ||
| More coming in the future. | ||
| There's a lot that will be there soon. | ||
| Are there places where you could find us that you could not perhaps find Alex Jones? | ||
| Twitter. | ||
| You could? | ||
| At knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Facebook. | ||
| Facebook. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| There's a group on Facebook? | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| You can go to iTunes. | ||
| We're on the store. | ||
| If you would like to support the show too, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Click that support the show button. | ||
| We'd appreciate it. | ||
| I'm sick and tired of selling my blood. | ||
| I'll still do it until I don't have to. | ||
| But I was in there today and I texted you about this, Jordan. | ||
| There was a... | ||
| Real aggressive conversation going on about the Bill Cosby sentencing that I did not appreciate. | ||
| There were just people yelling about how he's innocent. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I believe the choice quote was, they're never going to lock up Weinstein because that guy's a Jew. | ||
| I was like, oh no! | ||
| I gotta get out of here. | ||
| I can't handle this. | ||
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I can't handle this. | |
| I don't know if this is a reverse Pez dispenser. | ||
| I don't know what's going on here. | ||
| It was just wild. | ||
| It was very aggressive and anti-woman, the conversation that was going on over there at the blood center. | ||
| I can't imagine a group of dudes being anti-woman. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| It was very uncomfortable. | ||
| But if you want to support the show, please do. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| If you want to support the show, you're going to need to because that's the only way we're going to get Weinstein locked up, apparently. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Also, you know, it's hard to say what's worse about Alex. | ||
| Is it sort of being a public relations guy for a child marrying cult? | ||
| Or is it the fact that we always need to remind people that he probably technically killed a dude? | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |