Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a recent interview Alex Jones recently engaged in that is, quite frankly, tragic. Between his rambling pronouncements that everyone is to blame for his position in life but himself, his implications that he is waiting for death, his willingness to endanger his family, and his legitimately deranged answers to a word-association game, this glimpse into Alex's mental state walks a razor's edge between hilarious and profoundly sad.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| This character named Alex Jones who walks among us. | ||
| Is that who we talk about? | ||
| Like a mythical figure. | ||
| Like a Paul Bunyan. | ||
| A Paul Bunyan. | ||
| Alex Jones, a man of folklore. | ||
| I was going to call him a Nephilim. | ||
| Legends will live on of the man they called Alex Emmerich Jones long after he's dead. | ||
| People will sit around campfires. | ||
| Telling tall tales. | ||
| It'll be like Homeric tradition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just telling the sing muse of the rage of Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah, so we talk about him in advance. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| How are you doing? | ||
| I'm doing all right. | ||
| We're recording this over the weekend. | ||
| You were in the middle of your shows over at Zany's. | ||
| I hope they're all going well. | ||
| Yeah, they all went well, except for the late one last night, which was... | ||
| Late Show Friday, buddy. | ||
| Late Show Friday, man. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Nelly. | ||
| They fucking went all out on the... | ||
| It was like a large group of people got together and decided to tolerate something simultaneously. | ||
| It was a delightful stand-up experience. | ||
| That's all too often the case at late shows. | ||
| You know, people a little too drunk and a little too confused. | ||
| I mention that specifically for one reason, and that is because there's a lot of stuff going on this weekend. | ||
| This episode's coming out on Monday, and unfortunately we're not going to be able to cover a ton of things in Alex Jones' world for this episode, but hopefully once time has passed we'll be able to cover that. | ||
| First is that in Austin there's a free Alex Jones rally going on this weekend. | ||
| No, refuse. | ||
| Unfortunately it is happening. | ||
| Refuse. | ||
| So we won't know the aftermath until later. | ||
| And then the second is news just broke that PayPal has kicked Alex off. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| So that could precipitate a real blow-up. | ||
| Now, not all of his money comes in processed by PayPal. | ||
| Yeah, but that's... | ||
| But that will cut a chunk out, probably, that he's not going to be happy about that. | ||
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Really? | |
| That's an interesting thing. | ||
| Can they just do that? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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So that means that fucking Chase Bank could just kick him out too? | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Well, now that's a whole different world. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's what happened with... | ||
| What if he has to then remove all cryptocurrency from everything but cryptocurrency? | ||
| He'd be living his dream! | ||
| No, because he doesn't understand cryptocurrency. | ||
| I know, but it's off the grid. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think it'll come to that, probably. | ||
| But PayPal will probably, you know, it'll take a big chunk out of his money. | ||
| But that also is... | ||
| I assume they still have to give him that money. | ||
| They can't just be like... | ||
| We keep all your PayPal. | ||
| No, I'm sure they can't hold it up. | ||
| I'm sure it's like cash out and you're gone. | ||
| But also at the same time, I don't think that's going to affect his multi-level marketing Juness money. | ||
| Because I think that that's processed through Juness. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So the thing that he's pivoting to... | ||
| Yeah, he's not allowed to touch any of that money until Juness says it's okay. | ||
| Give it back to him. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't think that him being kicked off PayPal is going to affect that new hustle that he's got, but it will probably cut into InfoWars store sales. | ||
| Again, not all of it. | ||
| It'll be harder for him to shop online, too. | ||
| You know, he's going to have to put his credit information in there every single time. | ||
| He can't just log into PayPal. | ||
| That's a frustrating experience. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| So, this is as good a time as any to mention that we are on PayPal and have not been kicked off. | ||
| And if you'd like to send us a donation, please send us a message. | ||
| I'll give you the email address to do that. | ||
| But people who have done it a different way and who are supporting the show, I'd like to take a moment out before we get into today's episode to give them a nice shout-out. | ||
| First of all, we've got someone who has just joined up with the team. | ||
| We're very excited about this. | ||
| I'd like to say thank you to Johnny G. You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Johnny. | ||
| Thank you very much, Johnny G. Also, I'd like to say thank you to someone else who signed up. | ||
| We have a lot of cool names. | ||
| You know, we had Soda Spider on the last one. | ||
| Soda Spider, that was a highlight. | ||
| This one isn't as much of a novelty, but it's a name I really like. | ||
| I'd like to say thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| Shadrach. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Yeah, Shadrach. | ||
| You like Shadrach? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Wasn't he one of Daniel's friends in the lion's den? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It was Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Shadrach. | ||
| Is this the real Shadrach? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I thought those guys died. | ||
| I mean, they didn't die in the fire. | ||
| That was the whole miracle thing. | ||
| Well, they would have died by now. | ||
| Well, that's my question. | ||
| You never know with the Bible, folks. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Eddie Page. | ||
| No, it was like 900. | ||
| Eddie Page is friends with Daniel and Michael from the Bible. | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
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So who knows? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank you so much, Shadrach. | ||
| That'd be the best. | ||
| All the major Bible figures, not real. | ||
| But every now and again, there's just some random tertiary character. | ||
| Like, oh yeah, I'm Shadrach. | ||
| I'm like 10,000 years old. | ||
| Methuselah's still hanging and banging. | ||
| Yeah, no big deal. | ||
| I don't have any powers or anything. | ||
| I'm just fucking old, man. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be great. | ||
| Also great is someone else who's joined up with the team on an elevated level. | ||
| And we appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| Thank you so much, Laura W. You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much, Laura. | ||
| Thank you so much, Laura W. If you'd like to support the show, not by sending me a message and finding out the PayPal information, you can do so by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking that Support the Show button. | ||
| We would appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| And I'd just like to take a moment, because I don't think we do this enough, because there are people who really help on a massive level with the show existing and allowing us to make the show. | ||
| And we gave them a shout-out as raptor princesses. | ||
| We don't continue to shout them out. | ||
| So I'd like to take this opportunity to say thank you again. | ||
| Updated thank you to our raptor princesses out there. | ||
| We really appreciate it. | ||
| You make the world go round. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| What are we going to do? | ||
| An update every three or four months? | ||
| Raptor Princesses? | ||
| Still doing a great job. | ||
| Love you guys. | ||
| Keep on going. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| In case you were feeling ignored for even just a moment. | ||
| I'm projecting that a little bit possibly. | ||
| I believe that's exactly what you're doing. | ||
| I don't know how to appropriately show appreciation. | ||
| And that's the way I decided to do it. | ||
| So thank you. | ||
| We really appreciate it. | ||
| We're just going to text all of our Raptor Princesses once every three months just to be like, updated, thank you, just an automated message. | ||
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We still really appreciate you. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Thank you all so much. | ||
| And everybody. | ||
| Everybody who made this possible and we couldn't do it without you because certainly ain't no sponsors knocking down these doors. | ||
| Dan, if you do message you and get the PayPal address in order to donate that way, would you be a PayPal-acy wonk? | ||
| Oh, that's not bad. | ||
| That's really close to babality. | ||
| That's a Mortal Kombat. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| We'll say that. | ||
| Sure, why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| So, Jordan! | ||
| What's up, Dan? | ||
| So, recently... | ||
| Well, let me phrase it this way. | ||
| Let me start this way. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alex Jones is a man who does not grant many interviews. | ||
| There are a few times that he actually gets interviewed by anybody. | ||
| Oh, we're going to listen to him do an interview. | ||
| We're talking about, like, we had, of course, Megyn Kelly. | ||
| Oh, we're going to listen to him do an interview. | ||
| It's going to be bananas, isn't it? | ||
| We had him go on Joe Rogan's show. | ||
| We had these interviews, but it's very rare for him to actually sit down with anybody. | ||
| This week, a gentleman by the name of Patrick Bett David, hyphenated last name Bett David, sat down with Alex Jones in a hotel room. | ||
| I bet Goliath, but that's okay. | ||
| That's where the smart money goes, but you'd lose. | ||
| We know about this from the last 2018, last present day episode. | ||
| Alex mentioned when he was talking with Owen Schroer about their masculinity issues. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He mentioned walking into a hotel room to do an interview and how he had his chest out and all the ladies came a-running. | ||
| Oh, this is that interview. | ||
| This is the interview that he's talking about. | ||
| And let me say, he looks like shit. | ||
| He is not. | ||
| Walking around like a super masculine guy. | ||
| Look, I'm reluctant to and criticize myself for critiquing appearances, but Alex is drunk. | ||
| He looks like shit. | ||
| He's slouched over. | ||
| And I'm a man with a cross-eye, so I'm not someone who likes to critique people's eyes, but I have a cross-eye. | ||
| His eyes are out of bounds. | ||
| They're out of bounds! | ||
| There's a wandery aspect to his eyes that are just like, it's not... | ||
| It's not astigmatism. | ||
| It's not like a cross-eye situation. | ||
| There's just something fucked up going on with his eyes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's a nefariousness behind him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm not sure what it is. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| He's got the evil eye? | ||
| He's got stink eye? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| I had to stop myself. | ||
| He's got pink eye? | ||
| Yeah, that could be. | ||
| So he sits down for a two-hour interview with Patrick Bette-David. | ||
| So if you're describing this correctly, then maybe the reason that he has this meltdown of... | ||
| Insecure masculinity happen on air is not because the story went as he told it, wherein he walks around with his chest puffed out and all the women came running, but instead is because he was looking like a piece of shit and everybody treated him as such and he is not doing well at all. | ||
| That's a good theory, certainly. | ||
| That sounds a little bit more like the insecure Alex that I know. | ||
| He sits down for a two-hour interview with this cat and he is drunk. | ||
| I'm going to make no bones about that. | ||
| He's drunk from the beginning. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Does he keep drinking? | ||
| Oh, yes, he does. | ||
| Hell, yes. | ||
| They're drinking highballs. | ||
| Who drinks highballs during an interview anymore? | ||
| It's very clear. | ||
| They're on camera drinking. | ||
| Did Salinger write this interview? | ||
| Patrick David is drinking, too. | ||
| But he can handle his booze, so he keeps it together. | ||
| We're going to get into it. | ||
| Okay, all right, all right. | ||
| That is going to be an untold piece of this story, because Right Wing Watch put out a piece about this, because Alex, spoiler alert, talks about how he's ready to die. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, I assume at this point he finally is. | ||
| They cover that aspect about it, but let me say that there's a whole lot more going on here than meets just the immediate first glance. | ||
| So we're going to get into this, we're going to walk through the interview, talk about how fucking stupid Alex is and how drunk he gets, but here is an out-of-context drop of things to come. | ||
| So you can say, I'm the head of the Illuminati? | ||
| Oh, you could. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's very interesting. | ||
| So, new theory. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| When did Biggie die? | ||
| 95, right? | ||
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All right. | |
| Who's ready to die now, Dan? | ||
| Who's ready to die now? | ||
| Maybe every 20 years, Biggie reinvents himself like the Phoenix. | ||
| There's a slight resemblance with Bill Hicks. | ||
| Not so with Notorious? | ||
| Well, Biggie also did have an eye that might be considered out of bounds. | ||
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Uh-oh, we might be onto something. | |
| All right. | ||
| So let's start the interview where Patrick Bet-David begins by asking Alex... | ||
| Well, he starts really by giving Alex his credits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which normally, if you were giving Alex Jones his credits, you might say you started Infowars.com in the 90s. | ||
| You built it up from something you were doing out of your dad's dental office. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And created a multi-million dollar empire. | ||
| With a massive influx of cash whenever Biggie died. | ||
| There are a lot... | ||
| Nothing suspicious. | ||
| Oh boy, new theory. | ||
| New theory on... | ||
| The new theory. | ||
| There are a lot of legitimate credits you could give him. | ||
| You can't take away the fact that he built this business and did something pretty remarkable. | ||
| Instead, here are the credits that Patrick gives him. | ||
| So if you follow the news, if you follow media, you're going to see this face. | ||
| This is what he sounds like? | ||
| What? | ||
| Alex Jones, who is recognized. | ||
| I think it's pretty fair to say you are the most controversial political figure in America today. | ||
| Is that fair to say something like that? | ||
| Identify you as that? | ||
| I'm the most banned person in the 21st century. | ||
| There's no doubt that I'm the most demonized, most attacked person in the world today. | ||
| So what I'm trying to point out here is that instead of giving credits that are like, these are the things you did, this is what makes you relevant, his only identifying credit that he's being given at all is victimhood. | ||
| I just wrote down, his credit is... | ||
| We have today the biggest victim in the world. | ||
| Yeah, his definition is like, I'm persecuted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, you asked who Patrick Bett David is. | ||
| Nobody is more persecuted than me. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| They took my children away at the border, they put them in a separate detention facility, and I am forced to sit here as I'm deported. | ||
| Wait, he's not? | ||
| Is that not him? | ||
| That's super interesting. | ||
| Is that not him? | ||
| So, Patrick Bett David is an entrepreneur and financial advisor. | ||
| Though he's of a Syrian and Armenian descent, Patrick grew up in Iran, wherefrom his family was forced to flee during the Iran-Iraq War in the'80s. | ||
| They lived in a German refugee camp for two years before their family came to America when Patrick was 12, at which point he enrolled in school and joined the US Army after graduating high school. | ||
| In short, he's a living counterpoint to all of Alex's narratives about refugees and immigrants, and it's an absolute tragedy and travesty that they Not once. | ||
| That's a little bit of just a brief introduction to who Patrick David is. | ||
| Get more into this as it goes along. | ||
| Why is this dude interviewing Alex? | ||
| Well, he runs a sort of motivational and entrepreneur-based YouTube channel. | ||
| So he's also a multi-level marketing scammer? | ||
| Now, let me say this. | ||
| That wasn't a no. | ||
| You didn't say that. | ||
| You didn't answer with a no. | ||
| Well, let me say this. | ||
| So I may have sussed out an issue already. | ||
| We'll get to that later. | ||
| On his YouTube... | ||
| Oh my god, he works for Juness, doesn't he? | ||
| He doesn't work for Juness. | ||
| Oh Christ, thank you. | ||
| Alright, fine, fuck it. | ||
| You've already sort of figured this one out. | ||
| I might as well explain it. | ||
| Judging solely from the titles of his books, you might think that Patrick Pet David is a little bit of a snake oil salesman. | ||
| Two of his books are called, quote, Doing the Impossible, The 25 Laws for Doing the Impossible. | ||
| *laughs * Love your neighbor as thyself. | ||
| Also his other one is, quote, Drop Out and Get Schooled, The Case for Thinking Twice About College. | ||
| These are book titles that basically emulate the strategy of clickbait titles for articles. | ||
| So in 2009, Patrick Bette David attended a dinner with George Will, conservative columnist. | ||
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That's not good. | |
| I don't want that. | ||
| After which he was inspired to start a website called Saving America, the stated goal of which was to, quote, restore America's prosperity and return us to the founding principles that have always made America... | ||
| Interesting that in 2009, he was using the same empty bullshit platitudes that Alex uses today. | ||
| Soon after this, Patrick launched the PHP Agency, which stands for People Hover. | ||
| Sounds innocuous. | ||
| the company ostensibly offers life insurance, annuities, and debt settlement services. | ||
| That's already a scam? | ||
| However, if you read articles about PHP closely, you'll notice some interesting peculiarities. | ||
| For instance, an article on Opportunity Lives points out that in the six years since he founded the company, quote, his company has grown at such a rapid pace, it now has more than 5,500 representatives in 33. No! | ||
| No, no! | ||
| this is not real. | ||
| That would be a massive success story. | ||
| This is not real. | ||
| And one I would be probably more impressed by if one of the only Only three links on PHP's website is labeled, quote, become a life insurance agent. | ||
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Vuh! | |
| This is where things start to get into some interesting overlap with modern-day Alex Jones. | ||
| Quote, I mean, you need it. | ||
| And things start to become a little bit more in focus. | ||
| You gotta have support if you wanna sell life. | ||
| Life insurance? | ||
| PHP agency is supposedly about selling life insurance, but in reality what it's about is selling you on the idea of signing other people up to become life insurance agents, and then you make money off of them recruiting other people to become life insurance agents, and on down the line. | ||
| But does anybody get life insurance? | ||
| Apparently some people do, but it's such a small part of their sales pitch at all. | ||
| There's hundreds of stories that I've read of people who went to their seminars, and you know how all these things work? | ||
| They bring people to a ballroom, someone gives a speech, and then they isolate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And try and convince them to become a recruiter for them, more or less. | ||
| So the stories that you can find are all basically the same. | ||
| Quote, Deborah writes, quote, I went to help a friend out, and the guy who was there tried to recruit me and wanted me to give him my phone so he can call all my friends and family also to join. | ||
| I didn't do that because it was rude. | ||
| That's the only reason? | ||
| I went to buy a policy, and he hired me. | ||
| So that's not good. | ||
| A user on Reddit writes, quote, they purposefully only give vague info in the interview, so I didn't quite get what was up until I went back to the office an hour later to do orientation with a co-worker who invited me there. | ||
| During this hour-long break, I felt wrong about this company and like it was very immoral, but the phrase MLM still hadn't entered my mind. | ||
| When I got to the orientation and my co-worker explained the business model in more detail, it was clearly a classic MLM scheme. | ||
| You make money off money other people make by recruiting people who recruit more people who recruit more people, etc., and also by tricking poor people into buying their shitty life insurance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It goes on and on and on. | |
| PHP appears to be a textbook example of MLM, and Patrick Bett David is the founder of said company. | ||
| Here he is interviewing Alex Jones just days before Alex announces on air that he's becoming a middle-level distributor on another MLM called Juness. | ||
| Scammers unite. | ||
| Scammers unite. | ||
| It doesn't seem like a coincidence. | ||
| I... | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| I went to the bank to get an equity loan the other day, and now I'm an accounts manager for the Midwest region. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Isn't that crazy how that happens? | ||
| That's how normal businesses work. | ||
| Yeah, that is ridiculous how it happens. | ||
| And now I've got to meet these quotas, and I don't even know what I'm doing. | ||
| Interestingly, Patrick Bette Davis also advises people not to go to college and to buy homes, or not to buy homes, because those things are going to be a waste of money and get you in debt. | ||
| That might be okay advice if his solution wasn't to advocate people instead getting into entrepreneurship. | ||
| Which, based upon the business he started up, is an even more surefire route towards losing more money. | ||
| So... | ||
| All that money that you were going to put into college education, all that debt you were going to accrue, what if you just did the same debt, but gave it all to me instead, and then... | ||
| Well, I mean, fuck off then. | ||
| Then you can go fuck off. | ||
| But first, give me that money. | ||
| There's so many stories about, like, it's all the exact same sort of shit. | ||
| It's classic multi-level marketing pyramid scheme type shit. | ||
| People go in, oh, there's this fee you have to pay to sign up. | ||
| Is that all of it? | ||
| Well, also you've got to pay the monthly for access to the app and shit like that. | ||
| Oh, is that all? | ||
| Yes, that's all. | ||
| And then afterwards, people signing up and giving them this money, they find out, oh, also you also have to have life insurance through one of our providers. | ||
| Well, you have to have life insurance through one of their providers. | ||
| That's part of the game. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So there's this really unethical business model. | ||
| That is being run by this guy, and Alex is now part of a different one that has the exact same model. | ||
| This whole world, like, Alex is just feeding all of his... | ||
| They all fucking know each other. | ||
| They all have to. | ||
| I think that's probably true, but then also, like, this is case in point why I don't think it's really all that important to cover Alex anymore. | ||
| He's become the most pathetic pile of shit, and he's not going to lead his audience towards white supremacy and Nazism anymore as much as he's going to lead them to financial ruin. | ||
| And, like, I don't want for them to have to go through that. | ||
| I think that's awful. | ||
| But I... | ||
| Look, I feel like it's punching down to talk about his show right now. | ||
| Look, what if the only way to stop the rise of Nazism in Germany was to instead make Hitler a medium distributor in a multi-level marketing scheme? | ||
| I mean, we've already talked about this. | ||
| When the Klan was reforming, they were essentially doing a multi-level marketing scheme. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So this, like... | ||
| This strategy for hateful organizations has always been there. | ||
| It's a good one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you are filled with hate, it's often hard to discern whether or not you're getting into a multi-level marketing scheme. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that is who Patrick Bet David is. | ||
| So that doesn't come up in the interview. | ||
| But this is two days before... | ||
| Our last episode where Alex had the Juness guy on and made the big announcement about InfoWars, yes. | ||
| So this interview was two days before he... | ||
| So he was already talking to Juness. | ||
| He already had that deal set. | ||
| I'm sure of it. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| And InfoWars, yes, had already been up. | ||
| Like, it wasn't something... | ||
| Remember when he got caught with trans porn on his phone? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was, like, a month or so back, whenever it was? | ||
| Everything blurs time-wise. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But the reason that he got caught was because he was pulling up InfoWars Yes on his phone, and that window was there. | ||
| So it had already been something that he had, like... | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| He had put out there, but he hadn't really fully committed to being, like... | ||
| Here's what it is. | ||
| Now we're doing an infomercial for Juness on my show. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The reason that I bring that up is it's important that this interview is happening with him fully aware that he is about to pimp his audience to Juness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, it's weird. | ||
| The headspace that he's in is very strange. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip he talks more about his victimhood and his being banned from everything. | ||
| I think he might oversell this a little bit. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| So, you've been now banned off what? | ||
| Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Reddit, Instagram, every single one of these things. | ||
| Over a hundred platforms. | ||
| Over a hundred platforms. | ||
| All have banned you. | ||
| Take our Apple app. | ||
| We just launched a week before we got banned a month ago. | ||
| It had over two million downloads, so they just banned it. | ||
| They went to number one. | ||
| So we're banned for being number one. | ||
| And then they want us banned so they can then lie about what I supposedly stand for. | ||
| See, that's what they do. | ||
| Which is nothing. | ||
| And then they demonize you. | ||
| Your YouTube channel has roughly 1.5 billion views, give or take. | ||
| That was just one of them. | ||
| That's just one of them. | ||
| They had 5 billion views total. | ||
| 5 billion views total. | ||
| They blew them all the way. | ||
| Over 20 channels in one day. | ||
| Have you had 20 YouTube channels? | ||
| That probably means you're up to something. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's not, like, a coherent model. | ||
| You're just maximizing your audience. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that also probably means maybe you have, like, I don't know, it feels like maybe you have one channel that's in order to antagonize, one channel that's in order to put out... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| How would you even know they were connected? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How could you even know? | ||
| I think YouTube could figure that out. | ||
| You would think that they would have some sort of system. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There aren't 100 platforms for him to be kicked off of. | ||
| He had 20 YouTube channels. | ||
| I think that's a red flag in and of itself. | ||
| And then beyond that, even, like, his app didn't go to number one. | ||
| It was number one on trending. | ||
| Right after he got thrown off all these places. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So he's exaggerating all of this in order to really hyper-inflate, much like the gas prices in early, late 2008. | ||
| He's trying to inflate his sense of victimhood in order to really... | ||
| I mean, what he wants is sympathy and outrage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he knows that he doesn't deserve it, so he's got to create it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Next question. | ||
| Why is this creator of a multi-level marketing scheme? | ||
| Doing an interview with Alex. | ||
| Because he has this channel that gets like 5,000, 8,000, 10,000 views for videos, and he knows that Alex Jones is going to get 500,000. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| So why did, no, I know, but why did Alex agree to go on this show? | ||
| Probably because the guy who runs Juness knows Patrick Bat-David. | ||
| I assume. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's the only explanation, right? | ||
| Or Patrick Bet. | ||
| David wanted to inflate his, you know, really bring some attention. | ||
| So he reached out to Alex. | ||
| Yeah, that's why he reached out to Alex. | ||
| But Alex doesn't give interviews unless there's something else going on. | ||
| Well, I think that... | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| I looked into his channel, and one of the things I found, first of all, is that he recently interviewed Ric Flair. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Alright, well that's nice. | ||
| And it makes more sense than this Alex interview. | ||
| He's much more coherent. | ||
| Did Ric Flair invent his own cryptocurrency, Flairbox? | ||
| No, but he did used to have Flair Financial. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| He did. | ||
| It was like financial advice and their slogan was, put your finances in the figure four. | ||
| I think they went out of business. | ||
| I can't see why. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he had Ric Flair on, and that's cool. | ||
| But then the downside of that is he had Ben Shapiro on talking about how the Clintons are awful fairly recently. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So I think Alex could have gotten a request from him and then gone through and seemed like, oh, shit, Ric Flair's super cool. | ||
| Oh, wait, he had Perez Hilton on. | ||
| He's a troll. | ||
| Oh, wait, what's this? | ||
| He had Ben Shapiro on talking shit about the Clintons? | ||
| Maybe this guy's okay. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a hundred reasons I can think of possibly why Alex agreed to do this that aren't like Patrick offered to pay him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I don't think is the case. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a bit of a mystery. | ||
| But also, Alex is in a bleeding place. | ||
| He's losing all of his access. | ||
| He's losing the ability to get his message out. | ||
| If he has this guy who conceivably has a conduit and is related to celebrities in some way, or at least some celebrities have deemed him worth talking to... | ||
| I could see him being like, yeah, sure, this could help get my message out. | ||
| Or he's just like, I'm glad that anybody's talking to me at all anymore. | ||
| And Patrick Bat-David lives in Texas, so it's not like a thing where he had to fly to see him or anything like that. | ||
| So he drove? | ||
| They're in a studio? | ||
| I think they're in Austin. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| No, they're not in a studio. | ||
| They're in a hotel room. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| A suite. | ||
| Oh, well, that's not terrible. | ||
| No. | ||
| Could be worse. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about how he has a big audience and about how demonized he was and how everything isn't his fault. | ||
| It's not? | ||
| There's a massive left-wing conspiracy against him. | ||
| But even then, wouldn't it be his fault? | ||
| Run by none other than the demon-spawn Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Oh, is Clinton? | ||
| Hillary Clinton's behind this. | ||
| I thought it was Soros. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Look, I... | ||
| I had a big audience, and I'm on a couple hundred radio stations still, and 500 TV stations, so we still reach a lot of people, but Hillary Clinton ran ads about a month before she lost in 2016, and she thought it was such a negative figure that they edited these tapes, and they plagued these tapes out of context, demonizing me, and then connecting it to Trump. | ||
| And then... | ||
| When she lost, the Democrats actually believed that I was Trump's brain. | ||
| She ran $18 million of ads, the Federal Election Commission says. | ||
| Real quick on that, I tried to find this. | ||
| I couldn't find any fucking information from the FEC that she paid $18 million to run anti-Alex Jones ads. | ||
| No, you have to file that with the FEC. | ||
| First of all, I mean, there's no way. | ||
| But here's something interesting. | ||
| You do look up Hillary Clinton at $18 million, and you find that the only thing about $18 million and Hillary Clinton that's really relevant is that in 2008, in her concession speech, she said this, referring to the number of people who voted for her in the prime... | ||
| Quote, Now, I can't find any evidence that she paid $18 million to demonize Alex Jones, but it is interesting that the only thing... | ||
| That relates to Hillary Clinton and $18 million is this very inspirational speech that she gave about the glass ceiling during her concession speech in the 2008 election. | ||
| Well, three million of those were illegal immigrants. | ||
| Illegal cracks. | ||
| Illegal cracks in the glass ceiling. | ||
| Can't be having those. | ||
| But I'm just saying it's an interesting parallel that Alex is lying about this thing about her demonizing him. | ||
| And the parallel that you can find with that number is something that would also really piss off Alex. | ||
| So there's a decent chance that he just conflated a number of things that make him mad about Hillary. | ||
| That's kind of my working theory on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just like the idea that he thinks the FEC keeps records not on how much you spend on attack ads or ads of any nature, but on how much you spend per person you are attacking. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like everybody, like the Americans for Prosperity ran $20,000 in attacking Big Bird. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| You have to know exactly. | ||
| That's how, that's, I mean, it's on the spreadsheet, baby. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| on TV and the web saying that I am in charge of Trump. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| You ever talk to Trump, he's in charge. | ||
| And I have some connection to Trump, like one-tenth of what they say. | ||
| So they ran $18 million of ads. | ||
| on YouTube and Google and Facebook and TV saying, here's Alex Jones. | ||
| He's Trump's brain. | ||
| He tells Trump what to do. | ||
| And they show a clip of Trump saying something similar and me saying something similar. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| Alex also played his own versions of Trump saying similar things to him. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| So Alex made the exact same argument around the same time that Trump is listening to us. | ||
| But they did it in a mean way. | ||
| He brags all the fucking time about how, like, he gets information to Trump, but Trump loves his information. | ||
| And the globalists are trying to keep that information away from Trump. | ||
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But they spent money trying to say that he did it. | |
| Right. | ||
| Making the exact same argument. | ||
| Well, yeah, but they made it sound bad. | ||
| It's fucking stupid. | ||
| $18 million. | ||
| $18 million. | ||
| So they ran that, according to the Federal Election Commission, and then when she lost all hell broke loose, we had, like, advertising deals, you name it. | ||
| I lost, like, $10 million the first month when Trump won. | ||
| He's talking about the Google ad stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He got kicked off of it. | ||
| I don't believe the number he gave back then was $10 million. | ||
| I think he's over-exaggerating things once again. | ||
| Everything was coming after me. | ||
| People were suing me. | ||
| Lost or gained? | ||
| You lost after he won. | ||
| When he won, they went after my sponsors, everything, because they actually believed their own propaganda, which wasn't true, that I was telling Trump what to do. | ||
| And so once he won, they had run this ad thinking connecting me out of context with radical statements to the then candidate. | ||
| Are you saying that Trump was making radical statements? | ||
| Would demonize him. | ||
| But then when it failed, they believed their own propaganda. | ||
| They smoked their own dope. | ||
| And then, almost two years later, it has been one hell of a ride. | ||
| They literally believe their own BS that I am in charge of Trump and I'm giving him every move. | ||
| And it's the opposite. | ||
| I may have talked to Trump since he got elected ten times. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's still too many. | ||
| That is. | ||
| That's still too many. | ||
| But either way, what is he talking about? | ||
| No one is saying what he's saying they're saying. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nobody is doing what he's saying they're doing. | ||
| Even the stuff that he's saying happened to him didn't happen. | ||
| What is he talking about? | ||
| You're going to experience this a lot. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| This interview straight up very well might as well be called obfuscation. | ||
| He's responding to criticisms that no one's making. | ||
| He's responding to fake versions of allegations. | ||
| He's responding to things that he thinks people are doing that are actually what he was doing. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| He's all over the map. | ||
| And I want to... | ||
| They kicked me out of the gym? | ||
| Because I bench-pressed too much weight. | ||
| That's what happened. | ||
| I bench-pressed 700 pounds. | ||
| It had nothing to do with that woman who I tore her leg off and threw it through the window. | ||
| Breaking that glass ceiling, by the way. | ||
| Thank you, ladies. | ||
| 18 million cracks on that gym window. | ||
| Look, I want to say this because we kind of talked about how Patrick Bet-David is also running a multi-level marketing scheme here. | ||
| But I want to say that he does as good a job of interviewing Alex as anybody I've ever seen. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He does do a good amount of pushing back against him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He has a couple of good points. | ||
| And I don't care if people watch this. | ||
| It's too long. | ||
| It's two hours long. | ||
| People shouldn't subject themselves to that unless they really want to. | ||
| By the way, this episode of Knowledge Fight will be eight and a half hours long. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| There is a really funny trend that keeps going throughout it that is Patrick Bat-David sort of rolling his eyes and his body language being like, ugh. | ||
| There is a lot of that. | ||
| Alex slouched over, kind of drunk, and Patrick Bat-David was like, what are you talking about? | ||
| So there is that. | ||
| He doesn't just let Alex say a lot of shit, but at the same time, he's... | ||
| He's kind of woefully unprepared. | ||
| He doesn't have a ton of information. | ||
| If he did, he was in a position where he could have really skewered him. | ||
| He was inspired by George Will. | ||
| This is not a guy who's interested in information. | ||
| He's a guy who sat down happily laughing along with Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Patrick wants to talk a little more about Alex's communications with Trump. | ||
| When's the last time you spoke to Trump? | ||
| I don't want to get into that, but it's the last few months. | ||
| Last few months. | ||
| And what's he telling you? | ||
| What's he telling you when you're talking to him? | ||
| We're going to turn the economy around. | ||
| It's getting better. | ||
| Why are you calling me? | ||
| We need to be positive. | ||
| Everybody together, no matter what color they are, who they are. | ||
| It's literally like a pep rally. | ||
| You know, one of the things I'm curious about, if you are so close to Trump, if you've spoken to him ten times, ever since you've been banned, Have you had a conversation with him since the ban, or no? | ||
| He did sell me a timeshare. | ||
| No, I mean, I've had conversations with people high-level in the campaign and in the White House. | ||
| Now, this is important. | ||
| Alex said the campaign, because the part of his brain that remembers the narratives to talk about is still operating on 2016 level. | ||
| So when he says, I talk to people in the campaign, what he means is in the administration, but... | ||
| He's still operating off that I'm part of this, and he's not anymore. | ||
| And I've just said, listen, they've demonized me as a strong man. | ||
| Well, then again, most of the people in the campaign were fired before the administration. | ||
| $18 million during the campaign. | ||
| Now, it's tens of thousands of articles a month everywhere lying about me. | ||
| They were showing what I supposedly said, just claiming I said something. | ||
| And I said, this is clearly just like the Nazis did. | ||
| You pick a group. | ||
| And then you demonize that minority group. | ||
| And then once you set the precedent that people accept going after them, then it's everybody else. | ||
| So I'm the first domino. | ||
| Because I've studied history. | ||
| I was smart enough to understand that I'm not this important. | ||
| They picked me because I'm flamboyant and stuff out of context to demonize Trump. | ||
| Now that he won, they have ramped it up that I'm this horrible person. | ||
| And then now they are going to try to shut me down. | ||
| And then once they shut me down, over 100-plus platforms, Facebook, Twitter, Google, iTunes, you name it, it'll be everybody else. | ||
| And just like I predicted, as soon as I was shut down, it was a domino effect for everybody else. | ||
| So that's the plan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I don't want him to do this interview so much anymore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And more like I want... | ||
| Bet David to walk over and just be like... | ||
| Oh, honey. | ||
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Come on, man. | |
| Oh, sweetie, you are that bad of a person. | ||
| Everything's okay, Alex. | ||
| If you just accepted it, then you could change and grow, and that's what's going on here. | ||
| Or just enjoy your money. | ||
| Go hang out in Barton Springs. | ||
| Honey, sweetie pie, get out of here. | ||
| You can have a good life. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| Yeah, just go to bed. | ||
| Go to bed. | ||
| So, in that clip, Alex is saying that what is being done to him is like what the Nazis did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Patrick, to his credit, wants to talk a little bit more about that. | ||
| Because Alex also is saying that everyone keeps calling him a Nazi. | ||
| And he's so mad about that. | ||
| They just call you a racist and a Nazi, and that's why they don't have to deal with the things that you're saying. | ||
| They just mischaracterize you. | ||
| First, they came for Goebbels, and I didn't say anything because I was not a propagandist. | ||
| Next, they came for Hitler, and I didn't say anything because I hadn't committed any genocides. | ||
| And third, everybody was fine. | ||
| Ooh, interesting. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| I think we should go with that, you know. | ||
| Get Alex gone. | ||
| Get Trump out of there. | ||
| Everybody's good. | ||
| And his examples that he'll give about the people who got banned after him are like Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who's leading a legit paramilitary organization of weirdos who punch each other naming cereals as an initiation ritual. | ||
| And apparently find their way into lots of public photos with congressmen giving white power signs. | ||
| So this sort of thing isn't like, okay, good. | ||
| Like, that's not... | ||
| I'm not worried about that. | ||
| Gavin McGinnis gets banned. | ||
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Hooray! | |
| First they came for the Nazis, and I did not care, because I didn't want to kill Jews. | ||
| At the same time, if it were the state doing it, different conversation. | ||
| That is a different conversation. | ||
| Different conversation. | ||
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It is. | |
| But the idea that these private companies kick Alex off, and then, oh my god, in the aftermath, the Proud Boys are gone. | ||
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Fine. | |
| That tracks. | ||
| So now, Patrick does a pretty decent follow-up question here to ask about the idea of, like, being called a Nazi. | ||
| Anderson Cooper, a warning, Joe, it doesn't matter. | ||
| When somebody uses the word Nazi in America and they say Hitler and all this other stuff, red flag goes up for me. | ||
| And I'm a guy that's studying everything. | ||
| I'm a guy that studies politics. | ||
| I'm a guy that came from a family that's half communist, half imperialist, born and raised in Iran. | ||
| So when I see a comparison like that made by people that have only lived in America, to me it's a red flag. | ||
| So how much of this, Alex, do you think is self-inflicted by you versus by the media? | ||
| Tucker pushes hardcore. | ||
| Hannity pushes. | ||
| O 'Reilly pushed. | ||
| A lot of people push, but they're still out there. | ||
| Why are you the one that's being banned? | ||
| That's a great question! | ||
| Well, they call me a Nazi constantly, even though both my grandfathers almost died in World War II. | ||
| Who's they? | ||
| Who called you? | ||
| Any major names that call you Nazi? | ||
| We've had, like, Tom Brokaw say, I'm an unalloyed racist. | ||
| Okay, but that's not Nazi, though. | ||
| Well, I was in D.C. last week. | ||
| We would run up and scream, you're a Nazi, you're a Nazi. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| But specific, any major name, because you do that all the time. | ||
| So good. | ||
| And by the way, I want to say this part. | ||
| Real quick, I'm not sure if you caught that. | ||
| It's so good! | ||
| He's like, do you have a specific name of someone who's called you a Nazi? | ||
| Because you do that all the time. | ||
| I know! | ||
| This is great! | ||
| I'm loving this! | ||
| That question does not get answered. | ||
| Oh, it doesn't? | ||
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No. | |
| I think it's just fair for everybody, for both sides. | ||
| Partially, my attorney said, don't do this. | ||
| And I spoke to you about that yesterday. | ||
| My attorney said, Pat, be careful. | ||
| No, but I told you. | ||
| That's the hard question. | ||
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I know you did. | |
| I know you did. | ||
| And so when you and I spoke, I said, look, my attorneys are concerned. | ||
| And so we went back and forth. | ||
| The reason why... | ||
| See, why should they be concerned? | ||
| You've got your own... | ||
| Because the money's tied to them. | ||
| So they're coming from a money standpoint. | ||
| But let me just say this. | ||
| You're a man that has your own life. | ||
| You say what you say. | ||
| I say what I say. | ||
| If I was Jeffrey Dahmer, who got interviewed by the news... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No one says, why is NBC interviewing Jeffrey Dahmer? | ||
| Let's say I'm worth Jeffrey Dahmer. | ||
| Yeah, people are saying that. | ||
| Before he died last year, let's say that Charlie Manson... | ||
| No one interviewed Manson. | ||
| You're allowed to interview Charlie Manson. | ||
| You are. | ||
| What is this new thing where they say, don't interview Alex Jones? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Because they've built a straw man of things I haven't said. | ||
| I'm glad for the tough questions. | ||
| They build a straw man, and then they don't want me to respond. | ||
| Here's an example. | ||
| Here's a video on Infowars.com. | ||
| Boo. | ||
| What he's not taking into consideration is an interview with fucking Dahmer or Charles Manson is going to be like, Why did you eat people? | ||
| Why did you kill Sharon Tate? | ||
| Why did you do that? | ||
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They take that out of context all the time. | |
| Only part of what I said was, yes, let's go kill Sharon Tate. | ||
| But the rest of it was politically. | ||
| An interview with Charles Manson where you're, like, if, let's say, Jake Tapper sat down with Charles Manson and was like, hey, is there anything to that helter-skelter? | ||
| You know, like, if he were to say, like, if that interview were to happen, I'd be like, holy shit, no! | ||
| And they would never do that. | ||
| We're really sitting down with a puff piece on Manson tonight. | ||
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Right! | |
| On 60 Minutes, we have got, uh, Charles Manson! | ||
| Wrongly accused? | ||
| So the equivalent that he's trying to make is like, yes, if you want to have the media subject you to really having to be called to question for the things that you've said and what you've been a part of, go ahead and subject yourself to that. | ||
| I'm sure they would do that. | ||
| I'm sure the media would have that interview. | ||
| It'd be brutal. | ||
| Actually, probably wouldn't. | ||
| They do a terrible job. | ||
| No, they do a terrible job. | ||
| Oddly enough, so far, of all of the interviews that we've ever heard with Alex Jones, that one question is the best thing that anybody has done. | ||
| But you do recognize that Alex is able to deflect from it so easily. | ||
| Yeah, but it's still a righteous question. | ||
| Yeah, and there's more. | ||
| He asks a couple of... | ||
| If he could actually get Alex to answer the questions, if Alex wasn't drunk and acting like a child... | ||
| There are some questions that he fucking can't answer. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| That was one of them, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, that was dead on. | ||
| Who's called you a Nazi? | ||
| You call people Nazis all the time. | ||
| What is the difference? | ||
| That's very difficult for him, and he doesn't answer it. | ||
| So, he has a lot of ideas about why he's being targeted, which is another one of the hard questions. | ||
| Why is Tucker? | ||
| Why is Hannity fine? | ||
| Oh, that was so good. | ||
| Like, those sorts of things. | ||
| Don't you think, Alex, for even a moment... | ||
| You might be a little bit at fault here. | ||
| Do you think you did this to yourself? | ||
| Do you think there's at least, Alex, just say one little thing. | ||
| Maybe you did something. | ||
| Maybe it's not entirely your fault, Alex. | ||
| Do you take any responsibility? | ||
| But just admit some fucking fault, you pathetic child. | ||
| My friend is a useless road to go down with Alex, but he does have other reasons why he thinks that the globalists are attacking him. | ||
| But your whole question going to, is it self-inflicted? | ||
| They're after me because they can track back the reboot of 1776. | ||
| They can track back how the economy is coming back and how the globalists suppress things by design. | ||
| Contract back Steakhouse? | ||
| And I don't even want the credit. | ||
| But they believe, George Soros and the globalists believe, that I'm the first domino and that we triggered this grassroots movement to launch Trump. | ||
| So they believe if they take me out... | ||
| Trump can continue on or be defeated. | ||
| So why did I bring you on? | ||
| I'm a content creator. | ||
| I'm a capitalist. | ||
| I'm an entrepreneur. | ||
| And you're allowed to interview me. | ||
| How far down the rattle are we that you've got to even ask, can I interview Alex Jones? | ||
| I could be Adolf Hitler. | ||
| A horrible person. | ||
| You have a right to interview me. | ||
| That's as far as you go with Hitler? | ||
| The channels are mainly an entrepreneur channel. | ||
| We've had Mark Cuban. | ||
| We've had Magic Johnson. | ||
| We've had Kevin Hart. | ||
| But we've had Gloria Allred. | ||
| I mean, who has Gloria? | ||
| I had Gloria Allred just to speak to her to see why she's... | ||
| No, you got it. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's smart what you're doing. | ||
| Yeah, I've had... | ||
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What? | |
| Alex, you think it's smart for him to interview Gloria Allred? | ||
| You hate her. | ||
| Yeah, but it's smart to interview her. | ||
| If I recall correctly, he believes that she works with the CIA. | ||
| Well, yeah, but he'd interview her. | ||
| She just won't go on a show. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Hitler? | ||
| Hitler? | ||
| Bad dude. | ||
| Horrible person. | ||
| Horrible person. | ||
| You know, he turned his red receipts on, and then he still doesn't answer for like six hours. | ||
| Very rude. | ||
| Very rude. | ||
| So that is part of something that's going to pay off later. | ||
| There's something at the end of this episode that I think is fucking inexcusable. | ||
| Like, Alex, him saying Hitler is a bad guy, is the prelude to a... | ||
| Fucked up thing at the end of this episode. | ||
| And I'm teasing a little bit. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| And then there's also... | ||
| We're going to... | ||
| We don't have segments on this podcast. | ||
| But we have a segment at the end of this. | ||
| Oh, we have a segment! | ||
| There are 50 clips that I have. | ||
| Did we record this? | ||
| Wait, there are 50 clips? | ||
| I have 50 clips. | ||
| But one of the reasons is the last 15 are a game that you and I are going to play. | ||
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Where you are going to have to try and figure out where Alex's brain goes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So that's a teaser for the writer. | ||
| So I just want to say that in case anyone gets bogged down in the idea. | ||
| Because a lot of these things that are coming up are things that we've discussed on the podcast already. | ||
| So it's not really robust territory for us to be like... | ||
| All right, Alex, you think you're a victim, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| You think everyone calls you a Nazi for no reason, wah. | ||
| You know, it's not like... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If I were... | ||
| I'm projecting a little bit because if I listened to this podcast, I would be interested in learning more and hearing about, like, what are the fresh things of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I just, you know, I want people to know there's something big coming at the end of this. | ||
| Anyway, like we said, a lot of this does seem to be Patrick Bette David asking, Do you take any sort of personal responsibility for the situation you find yourself in? | ||
| And he tries to reiterate that question here. | ||
| And what do you know? | ||
| Not super successful. | ||
| There are people who agree and disagree with you who are defending you. | ||
| The part I'm trying to ask from you is the following. | ||
| Is there any part of this that is self-inflicted that is caused? | ||
| I run a business. | ||
| We have flaws. | ||
| Some of it is self-inflicted. | ||
| Some of it is my COO. | ||
| Some of it is my CMO. | ||
| Some of it is my... | ||
| Chief Financial Officer. | ||
| My lack of ethics and morality. | ||
| What is self-inflicted from your side? | ||
| No, no, I totally agree with what you're saying. | ||
| I'm going to answer that. | ||
| But let's go back. | ||
| Since when in America do we have to ask? | ||
| He's a pro. | ||
| What have I said here? | ||
| I can't wait to answer that question. | ||
| It's a great question. | ||
| I love making the country great. | ||
| What have I said that's so damn evil? | ||
| Because the mainstream media projects what I've said and done. | ||
| And because they've created that strong man, they don't want me to be able to respond. | ||
| But let me tell you, if you go back six years ago when Sandy Hook first happened, and my listeners called in and didn't think it happened. | ||
| Let the record show, Alex is the one who brings up Sandy Hook. | ||
| Patrick did not bring up Sandy Hook. | ||
| And they showed anomalies. | ||
| And so I had guests looking on both sides, a very small part, in my whole compendium, you know, the last... | ||
| 25 years, it's less than 1% of what I've done. | ||
| It's like one-tenth of a percent. | ||
| And so, within a year or two, I said, no, I think Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| Mass shootings happened. | ||
| That's too long. | ||
| The media, as soon as I said I thought it happened, because I'd questioned it before, went, oh my God, we've got him. | ||
| And they went crazy. | ||
| And then they just published thousands of articles a week saying, Jones is harassing families. | ||
| He's going to their houses. | ||
| He won't stop saying it didn't happen. | ||
| And when I call him, I send him letters, and I'm like, here's 50 videos saying I believe Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| And here's the debates where I just had open discussions five years ago. | ||
| They won't stop. | ||
| Because it's like saying Saddam killed babies in incubators in 1990. | ||
| It's using that to demonize me. | ||
| So I've already said I'm sorry the media took it out of complex. | ||
| 10,000 times. | ||
| I've already said that I've done all that, and they're only like, oh my God, he's weak on this. | ||
| And so it's in papers every day. | ||
| Jones is harassing families. | ||
| Jones is saying Sandy Hook didn't happen. | ||
| It's the papers saying that, that are saying that. | ||
| It's not me. | ||
| But let's expand on that. | ||
| Let's. | ||
| I didn't lie about WMDs in Iraq. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Like the New York Times did. | ||
| No one questions that. | ||
| So they're pulling on the heartstrings, not the families, but the lawyers, the Democratic Party. | ||
| Because they're scared of what I'm generally saying, that there's a corporate world government taking control of nation states, like the Brexit and everything else, and people are waking up to that. | ||
| So they want to demonize that and say, you can't talk to this guy because he's so evil and he's so bad. | ||
| There was nothing in that answer. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| That's so great. | ||
| There is nothing in that answer. | ||
| I literally just asked you, is there anything that you take responsibility for? | ||
| I actually disagree. | ||
| I think he, by, like... | ||
| Oh no, by virtue of his answer, you know that the question that was asked, do you take responsibility for anything? | ||
| The answer is no. | ||
| Well, I... | ||
| Certainly he has answered that question. | ||
| I kind of disagree. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| I almost think that in his twisted way, the reason that his brain goes directly to Sandy Hook is that's him finally being like... | ||
| Yeah, Sandy Hook, this whole thing is my fault. | ||
| What I really don't understand is why it's not going away. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Why isn't this going away? | ||
| I've talked about so much shit. | ||
| I've lied about all this bullshit. | ||
| Why isn't this one going away? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I said something different now. | ||
| You're supposed to let it go. | ||
| That's interesting because I think that's probably true based on the entirety of his career. | ||
| Anytime there was blowback, you're just like... | ||
| Well, I changed my mind. | ||
| I apologized. | ||
| So go away. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| I should be able to continue saying this bullshit. | ||
| I am so sorry. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, there is something to that. | ||
| But at the same time, wow, he's talking about... | ||
| I think you're right as to why Sandy Hook came up into his mind. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he brought it up unprompted. | ||
| That's because that's the only thing that he does except, like... | ||
| This one is mine. | ||
| That one is a big, big thing. | ||
| I fucked this up. | ||
| But at the same time, the question is, what is self-inflicted? | ||
| What do you take responsibility for? | ||
| And even in his conversation about Sandy Hook, it's someone else's fault. | ||
| It's the media lying about what I said, not what I said. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| When we've gone over this ad nauseum, he fucking literally said... | ||
| I didn't believe it at first, but then I saw this. | ||
| Sandy Hook was a completely synthetic event. | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| I thought kids died there, but it was all fake. | ||
| He said that on his show, literally. | ||
| And then after that, had Rob Dew's uncle pretending to do an investigation of it. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| The idea that he's like, we had some debates initially, and then I was convinced it happened. | ||
| I keep apologizing. | ||
| I keep saying I think it happened. | ||
| And that's the part where there's like a kernel of truth. | ||
| Later, he did say, like, I think it did happen. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But that's only because it was such a, like, what he did was so inexcusable. | ||
| Which is why he's mad. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He said he was sorry and he changed his position. | ||
| Isn't that enough for you guys? | ||
| But he's also lying about what the accusations are. | ||
| No one is saying that he's harassing Sandy Hook families. | ||
| People are saying that the result of his coverage has led to the families being assaulted and harassed. | ||
| They're not saying that he keeps saying Sandy Hook was fake. | ||
| It's that he did perpetuate that on a massive level. | ||
| And furthermore, he is incapable of recognizing the difference. | ||
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Reading? | |
| Well, there's definitely that. | ||
| Recognizing the difference between the behavior and the event. | ||
| So, he thinks that people are mad at him about the event. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, look, I said that Sandy Hook was a false flag, and I changed my mind on that. | ||
| Now I can continue calling other shit false flags, right? | ||
| Because it's just the event that you are mad at. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| I can call any event a false flag. | ||
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That's a good point. | |
| This is all a false flag. | ||
| Like, the behavior is the issue, not that it was Sandy Hook specifically. | ||
| It's still an issue if you say OKC is a false flag. | ||
| That's still a problem. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't see the forest for the trees. | ||
| So, Patrick is sort of trying to get Alex to answer that question. | ||
| He's just clearly unwilling to do so. | ||
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Not happening. | |
| Not happening. | ||
| But at the same time, I think we gave it short shrift a little bit. | ||
| I love him being like, there's nothing in that answer. | ||
| There's nothing in that answer. | ||
| Most people who talk to Alex would never say something that overtly. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I respect that. | ||
| He's a man who runs his own multi-level marketing scheme. | ||
| He expects the truth from his underlings, Dan. | ||
| So Patrick at this point tries to sort of change tactics and asks him, Alex, about the idea of sensationalizing things. | ||
| He tries that approach. | ||
| We'll see how that goes. | ||
| Sometimes in the world of sales, and maybe this will make sense on the question I'm trying to ask. | ||
| Sometimes in the world of sales, when I work with the people in the world of sales, There are people who sell a product. | ||
| In the world of sales? | ||
| Come on, let's just say the product is good enough for me to give the features and benefits. | ||
| Here's what I'm selling, Alex. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Is he about to sell? | ||
| You have to take your awareness that he's an MLM guy out of it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Because I think that the metaphor he's making is actually really good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, I'm just worried that he's about to start selling me on his life insurance bullshit right now. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's going to talk about a house as a metaphor. | ||
| And like I said- You like this metaphor? | ||
| I don't respect the man, but I like the way he's trying to get Alex to understand his point. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's what I'm selling, Alex. | ||
| I have a house, four bedroom, three bathroom, corner, cul-de-sac, kids, safety, good private schools, etc., etc. | ||
| And then I say, but this house, underneath it, there's a 63% chance that there's oil and you can be a billionaire. | ||
| Do you ever think you go from just selling the idea, which already makes a lot of sense, you're making me think, then from there you go into, let me sensationalize, and you get yourself in trouble doing that. | ||
| Do you ever feel like you've done it where it's gotten you in trouble? | ||
| Oh, I think there's no doubt that I've covered internet sensations. | ||
| And then the media says that I created that sensation just because I covered the sensation. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Do you sensationalize yourself? | ||
| Are you sensationalizing yourself? | ||
| There's a big difference. | ||
| So I can give a presentation, and God knows how many people I've sold over the years, and I know when I sensationalize sometimes. | ||
| Have you yourself caught yourself saying, Shit, to get maybe a sponsorship, maybe sell, maybe, you know, I know this thing's going to get 2 million views versus 220,000 views. | ||
| Let me sensationalize, because in the marketing aspect, you know propaganda's work. | ||
| You know, you know. | ||
| I'll be honest. | ||
| I don't ever sit there thinking about what's going to be successful. | ||
| I go with what I think is true. | ||
| And I've questioned public events, and I've done things like that. | ||
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Boo. | |
| Boo. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was the... | ||
| Furthest overhead I think a metaphor has ever flew. | ||
| That metaphor was cruising at 30,000 feet above where Alex could understand it. | ||
| It's also so demonstrative of why it's useless to interview Alex Jones. | ||
| Because that is a really good way to put it in a way a baby would understand the metaphor. | ||
| It's a very simple thing to say. | ||
| You're trying to sell me this house. | ||
| The house has merits on its own. | ||
| I'm interested in that house, but you're lying to me about the oil underneath it to sell the sold house. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think you do that ever? | ||
| I'm interested in the truth. | ||
| This apple is delicious, it's golden, it's crunchy. | ||
| Also, one out of every three people who eats it lives forever. | ||
| I just wanted an apple, dude. | ||
| I didn't need the... | ||
| You sold me just on apple. | ||
| Can I live forever, though? | ||
| Well, I mean, let's hold on. | ||
| One in three. | ||
| One in three. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex will not stop talking about Sandy Hook, although Patrick isn't really prompting him too much. | ||
| He's responding to what Alex talks about. | ||
| And it's so fascinating to watch this as it goes along, because Alex blames everybody but himself for the situation he's in. | ||
| So then this happens, and the guy's on Prozac, and he's being protected. | ||
| It's a psychopath thing to do. | ||
| And then the internet says, look at all these anomalies. | ||
| So I start looking at the anomalies. | ||
| And I'm looking at them and I'm saying, is that true? | ||
| Is this true? | ||
| So we debate those. | ||
| And then about a year or so after, I start saying to people that are saying, I'm covering up because I'm saying I thought it happened. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I start saying, no, I think it happened. | ||
| And then it becomes this whole debate. | ||
| And then reporters come to me and they say, tell us what you think really happened. | ||
| What are the anomalies? | ||
| And then I say the anomalies, even though I've already proven those anomalies aren't what they say they are. | ||
| I'm saying, I believe Santa Cruz happened. | ||
| Here are the anomalies. | ||
| Then they sue me for saying what the anomalies are, cutting off that I say it happened. | ||
| It's a way to, like, suck the oxygen out of the room. | ||
| I literally, one-tenth of a billionth of what I've done is Sandy Hook. | ||
| And now it's constant Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook. | ||
| Just so you know, I've got 15 more topics that I would like. | ||
| I know you've got 15, but that's where this goes. | ||
| That's where this goes. | ||
| The only question, but you haven't answered. | ||
| So I think it can simplify if you just say, here's an argument. | ||
| Are you saying Sandy Hook was staged and the people that walked there, they were acting? | ||
| No, I believe Sandy Hook. | ||
| Are you saying it happened, but the government has something to do with it? | ||
| No, I believe Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| I believe kids got killed at Sandy Hook. | ||
| And then the public questioned it. | ||
| I analyzed that. | ||
| And I apologized to people taking it out of context. | ||
| What I questioned. | ||
| No, you could apologize. | ||
| And then the media used it to try to hurt families. | ||
| So I apologized for the whole way it's worked. | ||
| So you're not saying there's any government involvement? | ||
| No, I don't think it was a good one. | ||
| Okay, so that's great. | ||
| I mean, that's sad. | ||
| That's so sad. | ||
| That's the, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings when you like... | ||
| I am sorry you feel bad for the thing I did that was totally fine for me to do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I completely destroyed your house. | ||
| I'm sorry that you feel bad about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's basically what he's doing. | ||
| This is such a cowardly dodge. | ||
| And it's predicated on him building it up by lying about what he did in San Diego. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is not true at all. | ||
| He's not legally in jeopardy about the things he did that are truly bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But that's because the statute of limitations is up on that stuff, on the defamation that he clearly did. | |
| And we've gone over. | ||
| Right. | ||
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He's lying about that because he knows he's in safe harbor legally and trying to present it as like the media lied about what I did and I'm sorry they did that to you. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| When he did that to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Now, of course, he didn't create the idea that Sandy Hook was fake. | |
| Probably. | ||
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But he amplifies. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what he does with these things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Original ideas aren't his stock and trade. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's why he's an MLM middleman now. | ||
| And that's why all of the things that he's done that have made him a bunch of money are other people's ideas. | ||
| He stole the Hillary for prison bumper sticker from someone else. | ||
| He stole the idea that 1776 2.0 worldwide from some European guy that he met. | ||
| He's stolen all of these things in order to co-opt them into his empire. | ||
| Yeah, he's like Disney. | ||
| Anyway, fuck this guy. | ||
| Fuck this guy. | ||
| What I'm fascinated by listening to this is that I hear the backstory of, what's the name of the doctor who lost her medical license? | ||
| Rebecca Carley? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That backstory of everything was going great. | ||
| Like, she was really, really successful. | ||
| She became this really, really good surgeon. | ||
| And then there was this moment that broke her. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, this is what I'm hearing with Alex, is that somehow everything that he's done was going great, and then he's broken now. | ||
| And so as his life continues, every conversation is just going to be like... | ||
| Yeah, I'm doing pretty alright, but man, I didn't say that Sandy Hook was fake and everyone was like, oh, we're doing this shit again, until he isolates himself. | ||
| He's fixating on this to a hard extent. | ||
| It's also equivalent to the drunk at the bar, like at the corner bar, who's like, I could have been something. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I almost made the show. | ||
| I almost made the big leagues in high school, but then I got injured. | ||
| I got a cup of coffee in the 70s, and then I had Tommy John, and I just never came back. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Maybe 1% of those stories you hear are true, and then the others are creating a hero narrative about why you aren't what you think you should be, and you think other people think you should be. | ||
| It's all very ego... | ||
| And other people who are that shouldn't be. | ||
| It's ego-driven, it's jealousy, it's lack of responsibility, it's all of those things to a pathetic level. | ||
| So now, at this point... | ||
| Patrick wants to discuss the idea of Alex not being able to use social media anymore. | ||
| And the idea that that's going to cripple his reach and really hurt his business. | ||
| So in order to facilitate this conversation, Patrick brings up that a couple years ago he lost his voice for 90 days. | ||
| He had a condition like a polyp or something in his throat and he wasn't able to talk. | ||
| And as a salesperson, as a person who runs a business, that is incredibly difficult. | ||
| And so he's trying to use that as a metaphor for Alex to open up about the idea of... | ||
| Speech and the ability to get your ideas across. | ||
| Alex is not so interested in that, but he is drunk. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| This personal moment that could become a flowering of conversation? | ||
| Alex isn't too interested in that? | ||
| Well, I mean, he's not totally dismissive of it. | ||
| But you can tell the booze is kicking in in this clip. | ||
| And just to give you some context, right before this, Alex grabbed an apple from the table and took a big old bite from it. | ||
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So here's what he says. | |
| I want to start that over. | ||
| Because he's talking with a mouth full of apple. | ||
| Alright, here we go. | ||
| From the top Why is very fragile right if I can't speak what do I do so today if I Five billion views are gone. | ||
| How is Alex Jones feeling today? | ||
| Life's very fragile. | ||
| Not including everything else. | ||
| The 16 million iTunes subscribers and all of it. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I feel good. | ||
| Because I'm a sellout. | ||
| And I'm a trailblazer. | ||
| And people project who I am. | ||
| They lie about me all day. | ||
| But we've never had more hardcore listeners. | ||
| And I just believe in humanity. | ||
| I'm betting on humanity. | ||
| Hey, Alex, you're drunk. | ||
| I think we're going to end this interview right here. | ||
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We're just going to turn the cameras off. | |
| Try to sell the public on that. | ||
| No, I mean, you can keep talking. | ||
| And they think if he can demonize Alex. | ||
| Okay, guys, everybody wrap it up. | ||
| Demonize everybody else. | ||
| Get the boom mic out of here. | ||
| And once they accept destroying him. | ||
| Yeah, make sure the lights in the back are turned on. | ||
| Everybody else. | ||
| All right, buddy, you have a good night. | ||
| They're doing it. | ||
| That's the first of two times that Patrick responds to something nonsensical that Alex says, like, you really believe that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is nice. | ||
| It's a nice thing. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, that is just like, it's me. | ||
| It's everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They come for me. | ||
| They cut me off. | ||
| They're going to cut all of you off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was too drunk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was too drunk. | ||
| And it doesn't get better. | ||
| So, now. | ||
| I will say. | ||
| I don't know if I can ever hear Life is Fragile in any other tone. | ||
| Life is Fragile, you know? | ||
| Let's hear that again real quick. | ||
| Life is Fragile. | ||
| That's just the best way for it to be said. | ||
| That's really the only way to say it now. | ||
| Dismissively through a mouthful of fruit. | ||
| Life is Fragile, you know? | ||
| So, Alex seems to be fine with being kicked off social media, so Patrick follows that up by asking him, do you want to get back on social media? | ||
| Would you ever want to be, you know, figuring out a way to be back on these social media platforms, or you're okay if they never, ever let you back on again? | ||
| Are you okay with that? | ||
| Never again. | ||
| I'm Alex. | ||
| I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm never changing. | ||
| Whether you take me back or not, I am never changing. | ||
| The single way I do anything, I don't care if I'm ever back on it. | ||
| Is that where you're at today? | ||
| Well, obviously. | ||
| They're like 90% of the internet. | ||
| Obviously, I want back on that. | ||
| But they misrepresent everything I've said and done. | ||
| It's like Jack Dorsey went on a month ago on NBC, CNN, ABC, all of it. | ||
| He went on with Lester Holt. | ||
| And Lester Holt's like, Jones says he wants to kill the media with assault rifles. | ||
| And Dorsey goes, Jack Dorsey goes, I know it's horrible, but he can stay. | ||
| That's defending you. | ||
| I never said that. | ||
| But Dorsey, the first time he defended you. | ||
| That was all like acting like he was. | ||
| I talked to folks that were in the meeting with him. | ||
| When I confronted Marco Rubio, who walked up to the press conference, Jack Dorsey said, oh my God, now he's been mean to a Republican. | ||
| This is how dumb they are. | ||
| Now I can ban him. | ||
| Who told you that? | ||
| Are you assuming that or you know that? | ||
| No, there's people in the meeting. | ||
| No. | ||
| People in the meeting telling you that now that you're going after Marco Rubio, this is an opportunity for Dorsey to ban you? | ||
| I talked to folks that were in the meeting with Jack Dorsey. | ||
| Jack Dorsey. | ||
| Jack Dorsey. | ||
| He goes, oh, I can ban Alex Jones now. | ||
| He just went for a Republican. | ||
| That's how dumb they are. | ||
| This is sad. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is how dumb you are, Alex. | ||
| I know that I told you before we started recording that this... | ||
| The content that we're covering has the potential to be incredibly sad or incredibly hilarious. | ||
| And it turns out it's both. | ||
| It's simultaneously both. | ||
| That, to me, is a very, very sad glimpse. | ||
| I know people who are at the Twitter meeting. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| You've created and constructed a reason why people took action against you after you did X, Y, or Z. You've decided that the best way to frame it is, I went after a Republican and that gives them cover to attack me. | ||
| Because you've already painted all of your enemies as being left-leaning, I don't know, communist, socialist, authoritarians. | ||
| This interview should almost be part of a training tape for how to interrogate psychopaths. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, going through, like, listening to all these, like, look, you think you constructed a great question. | ||
| You think that you've got something that he's gonna have to answer. | ||
| You need to understand that with a psychopath, they're not interested in talking to you. | ||
| No. | ||
| You are just there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here's how you try and trick psychopaths into saying what you want them to say. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, if you listen to his answers, there's so much to be gleaned from, like, psychopath language and how you respond to, like, human language. | ||
| Just like him saying, like, Of course I want to be let back on these platforms, even though, yes, I have said many times that if they kick me off, that's the right thing, and I'm only more powerful. | ||
| And I'm better for it. | ||
| Yeah, I'm better for it, but of course I want them. | ||
| I want back on so much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't want back on. | ||
| I just want them to apologize to me and tell me that I'm right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a deep psychological thing that's going on that, I mean, I don't actually begrudge Patrick for not... | ||
| Going too far down that road, because it could get way out of his depth really quick. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But he tries. | ||
| Like I said, earlier he tried to reframe the question about sensationalism in terms he would understand. | ||
| And now, at this point, he tries to bring back the question he'd already asked about, like, why haven't other people who say similar things to you, why aren't they banned? | ||
| And Alex has, again, no answer for this. | ||
| Beck used to be the main guy to watch on Fox. | ||
| Him and O 'Reilly would go at it. | ||
| And he was coming up, and he would get up and he would do his shows. | ||
| And I was on Beck one time, and he would show all this other stuff. | ||
| Yeah, he was like, wrong track words. | ||
| Yeah, and Hitler did this. | ||
| And everybody was like, oh my gosh, this could be a conspiracy, and it's tied. | ||
| And even Rush. | ||
| But these guys haven't been banned off Twitter. | ||
| These guys haven't been banned off YouTube. | ||
| You've been banned. | ||
| Is he acting like Columbo right now? | ||
| Let me ask you this question. | ||
| Why do you think it is? | ||
| Because it sure as hell isn't because they say I question Sandy Hook. | ||
| No, I don't think that's the only thing. | ||
| No, it's because I cover the geopolitical system and how they're setting up a world government and how they want eugenics and depopulation and how the Chinese have merged with our big tech companies to take over the U.S. That's why. | ||
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And you believe that 100%. | |
| So how come the rest of the guys are not off? | ||
| Why is Beck not off? | ||
| Beck is not a guy that they agree with. | ||
| Why is Limbaugh not off? | ||
| Why is Milo still back on? | ||
| And Milo may be one of the most annoying social media guys. | ||
| Let me ask this question. | ||
| You're a smart guy. | ||
| Why do you think I'm banned? | ||
| I think it's overselling. | ||
| So again, that comes back to the sensationalizing of stuff. | ||
| And he'll explain more what he believes about that in later clips. | ||
| Even Milo is back on, and I think he's the worst thing in the history of the world, Alex. | ||
| I believe he's wrong about that, though. | ||
| I think Patrick's wrong about that. | ||
| Milo's not back on Twitter. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But I think he's still on Facebook. | ||
| He's actually Smilo Biennopoulos. | ||
| I think he's still on Facebook, but that's irrelevant. | ||
| The question that he's asking is one that Alex can't answer without, you know, invalidating a bunch of shit. | ||
| You know, the idea that, like, these people that say very similar things to you are not in trouble. | ||
| The only thing he can fall back on is, like, they take me out so they can eventually take them out. | ||
| And when that doesn't happen and when people are just like, no, it's your actions that caused this, that argument falls apart. | ||
| But see, his better angle here is to be, like, the answer's money. | ||
| I don't make... | ||
| The powers that be money. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| Like, who makes money? | ||
| Whenever Hannity makes money. | ||
| I'll tell you what, at least one or two globalists. | ||
| Well, no, because that argument falls apart with Beck because he started his own shit. | ||
| You know, he started the blaze that failed. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| But he's not on Fox News anymore. | ||
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Why did it fail? | |
| Globalist. | ||
| Globalist. | ||
| He's not on Fox News or any of those, like, main platforms anymore. | ||
| So, like, the idea that, like, that argument would even fall apart on further analysis. | ||
| Well, yeah, but at the very least, you have to do some further analysis than his answer right now, which is, I'm mad! | ||
| If you accept that answer and you don't go further with it, what you're doing is just saying, well, the audience... | ||
| I hope they can see through this. | ||
| There's nowhere else to really go with it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| You don't want him drunkenly storming out of the interview. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or maybe you do. | ||
| I kind of do. | ||
| Maybe it would be his Maren and Gallagher moment. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So in this next clip, this is where I think the booze is really getting good to Alex. | ||
| And he gets super cocky about things he knows. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| For instance, you say something like this. | ||
| You say, I'm telling you folks, nerds are one of the most dangerous groups in this country because they end up running things. | ||
| But they still hate everybody because they weren't the jocks in high school. | ||
| He's reading an Alex Jones quote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is under the, like, sort of, still the conversation is about Alex sensationalizing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So they play little dirty games on everybody. | ||
| They use their brains to hurt people, and I'm aware of them. | ||
| Okay, I see you little rats. | ||
| Okay, you say something like that. | ||
| So I sit there and I say, interesting, fair enough. | ||
| That's actually not a bad point. | ||
| I remember. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| The guy that was a 4.3 GPA, he didn't have any girls I wanted to get with him. | ||
| So he probably didn't get laid until he was 22. So he says, I'm going to go out there and become so successful because of this. | ||
| Not a bad point. | ||
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Fair. | |
| Okay, I'll take that, right? | ||
| But then you'll take that and you go, Bill Gates is trying to do what he's doing in Africa. | ||
| And he's trying to do this. | ||
| And, you know, he's not really somebody that's making. | ||
| And then you'll take it even deeper. | ||
| And so I sit there and I say, okay, let me go research Bill Gates. | ||
| Maybe he's got a point here. | ||
| So I'll go and do research. | ||
| Hypothetically, somebody that's a reader, somebody that likes to research. | ||
| Somebody that's not a naive viewer that's just going to jump to a conclusion. | ||
| I do not want those people. | ||
| Come on, Alex. | ||
| You're sensationalizing. | ||
| You're like, come on. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Bill Gates' dad headed up the Army program on eugenics and was the head of Planned Parenthood. | ||
| And he went on Bill Maher and said, we need to reduce world population. | ||
| I got all the clips, man. | ||
| Yeah, but, Alex, you take it to a point where the media's sitting there saying, okay, a naive mind. | ||
| Can listen to somebody like you. | ||
| And you can really mess with a naive mind. | ||
| A naive mind who is not going to... | ||
| Did you hear me? | ||
| Did you know about Cold Springs Harvard? | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| I mean, Bill Gates' dad ran it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| IBM runs it now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So that is the main human genome eugenics center. | ||
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All right. | |
| All right. | ||
| The whole deal. | ||
| Do you remember when I asked you a question? | ||
| They trained the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute. | ||
| There's Pulitzer Prize winning books. | ||
| They have it all, man. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Alex, what is it? | ||
| You keep asking, why are they after me? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| Because I read the books. | ||
| I've got their plan. | ||
| Alex, if you know everything that you say you know, and you've got their plans, why are you still alive? | ||
| Well, they're murdering my name. | ||
| They're assassinating me. | ||
| Yeah, but you've said Hillary Clinton's, you know, her client goes and, you know, all these people that get close to her. | ||
| So if you're opposing the most powerful Democrat in the marketplace, let's just say... | ||
| Because they thought I was a joke. | ||
| The way he says that is so forced. | ||
| They thought I was a joke. | ||
| It is kind of him, I think, coming to terms with how he was viewed for a long time. | ||
| But then at the same time, he's using... | ||
| He got so much mileage out of people thinking he's a joke. | ||
| The best thing for him is when people think he's a joke. | ||
| In the same way, like The Room. | ||
| You can pretend it was a satirical farce or whatever, but that's repurposing the response that people had to it in order to pretend I was doing that all along. | ||
| Alex is doing the same thing, and he will, throughout this. | ||
| The idea of, like, they thought I was a joke, which is what I was using in order to fly under the radar. | ||
| It's like, no, you weren't. | ||
| That's absolutely not what you were doing. | ||
| No, you were a joke. | ||
| You are a joke. | ||
| The stuff about Cold Springs Harbor we covered in our endgame coverage. | ||
| I don't want to go back and go over all that. | ||
| No, because we're going to have to do another documentary soon. | ||
| Yeah, so go back and listen to that if you want to understand. | ||
| Go back and listen to that 12 hours of our day. | ||
| Nine. | ||
| But, like, that's me saying no. | ||
| In Deutsch. | ||
| But, like, I don't know. | ||
| This is very dumb. | ||
| Like, all of that's just very dumb and him throwing out very broad, vague things to defend. | ||
| Like, I got all this. | ||
| I got all this. | ||
| When you have someone like Bill Gates talking about how the population should be reduced, he's not talking about killing people. | ||
| He's not talking about putting something into vaccines to kill everyone. | ||
| He's talking about the holding capacities for resources in various parts of the world and how a lot of places are overburdened by massive populations that are not sustainable. | ||
| Now, the other flip side of that is if you want to have the conversation about, well, they would be if we didn't treat the rest of the world like they're shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That conversation is much more reasonable and much more based in human humanity. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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You know, the idea that like, oh, no, parts of Africa, they could have the amount of children that they do if we didn't hoard all of the money and didn't have a history of stealing all their resources in. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| For generations. | ||
| You could say that. | ||
| There's a better conversation to have about that than this stupid idea he has about Bill Gates wants to kill off everybody with mosquito drones or whatever the fuck he believes. | ||
| Well, what's interesting is that he asked a question that essentially inoculated himself from the answer. | ||
| What, you mean a vaccine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The question just being like, you can fuck up a naive mind. | ||
| Which, if you're capable of asking that question, suggests that you do not have a naive mind. | ||
| So don't come at me with this weak bullshit. | ||
| I'm asking you a question that is saying, are you taking advantage of stupid people, or are you believing your bullshit? | ||
| But that's why Alex has to come back with, do you know about Cold Springs Harbor? | ||
| He has to come up with something that he is reasonably assured that the person he's talking to doesn't know about. | ||
| It's the same reason why... | ||
| Fine, Alex, tell me about Cold Springs Harbor. | ||
| Well, it's the same reason why when he was on Rogan's podcast and he was losing an argument about... | ||
| Chemtrails, he had to pull out subsection 50 U.S. code. | ||
| 501C9. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He had to pull that out because he knows that Eddie Bravo and Joe Rogan don't know that subsection, and he can use it to lie about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And pretend that he's an authority on information. | ||
| He did the exact same thing. | ||
| And pretend that he's answering the question when he's really changing the subject entirely. | ||
| And I will give Patrick credit for being like, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cool. | ||
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Cool, bud. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But now is where Alex gets fucking dark. | ||
| This is where the interview turns. | ||
| Because I think he recognized, you pointed out, you're dangerous to naive minds. | ||
| It does lead Alex to realize that maybe Patrick isn't going to go along with everything I'm saying. | ||
| He's already shown that maybe he's not. | ||
| And now it's just like, maybe I've just got to preach. | ||
| And so he starts preaching. | ||
| And it's fucking dark as hell. | ||
| They thought I was a joke. | ||
| Like a poison, I titrated it. | ||
| They thought I was a joke. | ||
| It wasn't me. | ||
| We built up. | ||
| They thought it was a joke. | ||
| They used us against Trump. | ||
| They kept thinking they were winning. | ||
| And now, when the poison, the truth, is so strong, when the big dose hits them, they already haven't figured it out. | ||
| And so, I'm just over there. | ||
| I'm the globalist lethal injection. | ||
| And I'm ready to die. | ||
| So, let's just be clear. | ||
| I've already won. | ||
| This is all gravy from this point on. | ||
| So, I'm already in the system. | ||
| I've already won. | ||
| And they thought it was a joke. | ||
| And now they just took their death to us. | ||
| Really, I'm going to kill the New World Order. | ||
| That's why they call me violent. | ||
| That's why they hate me. | ||
| I'm not physically hurting anybody. | ||
| But the information... | ||
| Except for that guy you killed. | ||
| It's their end of days. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| No one can reverse it now. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Because humanity wants to live. | ||
| God, that sounds like a terrorist. | ||
| And... | ||
| They're the ones doing this. | ||
| I studied their papers. | ||
| I studied their program. | ||
| And you ask why they're so afraid? | ||
| They're so afraid because I've got their number. | ||
| And I'm not afraid to die. | ||
| So, that's it. | ||
| That answers your question. | ||
| So, that's where you're at. | ||
| Who cares if you ever get back on social media? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| You really don't. | ||
| The message, the transmission, everything else now is gravy. | ||
| Earlier he said he wanted to get back on social media, but now because the conversation has gone down this dark road about being willing to die. | ||
| Well, I mean, now I don't want to get back on social media. | ||
| Now that we've gone down this road, of course I don't want to fucking shit about that. | ||
| What if they let you back on social media? | ||
| Well, of course I want to get back on social media. | ||
| At the same time, I don't. | ||
| Well, yeah, but if I did, I do. | ||
| But I don't. | ||
| But I don't, because I won't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one of only a number of times Alex contradicts himself to a rampant degree. | ||
| So I'm going to skip this next clip because it's kind of exactly the same as that last one. | ||
| He's talking about how, like, I've completed my mission. | ||
| Yeah, he really does have, like, that apocalyptic... | ||
| Like, the two people who restart the evolutionary process at the end of a movie, you know? | ||
| Where it's like, they're both, and they hit a button, and it's like... | ||
| And they die as they hit that button. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We did it, and then the world reboots or whatever shit it is. | ||
| Well, I have a theory about that, and this is a little bit dark, and I apologize for it, but I think Alex is gonna... | ||
| Like, the Canadian TV show reboot is actually gonna be good when it's rebooted? | ||
| I think Alex might kill himself. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I'm not saying that he's going to, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. | ||
| Based on the level of... | ||
| His life is a fucking mess. | ||
| And not just because of the Trump political stuff. | ||
| Oh no, the whole thing. | ||
| He is probably going to be successfully sued by a number of people. | ||
| As we're recording this, his PayPal has been taken away. | ||
| His ability to process payments through PayPal. | ||
| There's a really decent chance that his ex-wife is going to win that custody case. | ||
| I don't know, because we have no reason to know what's going on with that. | ||
| But let's imagine a scenario where he ends up losing custody of his children. | ||
| PayPal goes away. | ||
| He's not allowed on social media. | ||
| He's a multi-level marketing scheme guy who's just on the outermost fringes of stuff. | ||
| I think that there's a decent chance that what he's doing is largely laying the groundwork for him to become the next in the line of people he's talked about on his own show. | ||
| People like Andrew Breitbart, who Alex lies and says was murdered when he had a fucking heart attack because he already had a heart attack and was way out of shape and was doing tons of blow. | ||
| The DC madam who absolutely killed herself and Alex pretends was murdered by the globalists. | ||
| All of the people he uses, Larry Nichols, to back up being Arkansided. | ||
| I think that there's a decent chance that what we're witnessing is the propaganda campaign towards his death. | ||
| Now, at the same time, I recognize that he has such a massive ego and is not really... | ||
| The idea of killing yourself to further your own narrative also kind of involves self-sacrifice because you are dead. | ||
| And you can't enjoy the people lying about your death. | ||
| So it does kind of not match his psychology, but the way he's behaving really, really scares me. | ||
| It's very troubling on a certain level because... | ||
| That is a path I could see this going down. | ||
| I mean, I see him self-destructing. | ||
| I don't see him... | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| That's possible, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I see him more like... | ||
| He recognizes that he's such a drunk at this point. | ||
| That he knows eventually I'm going to fall down the stairs. | ||
| So I might as well, yeah. | ||
| I might as well lay the groundwork of if anything happens to me, I didn't do it and it's the globalists. | ||
| No, I was out drunk one night and I tripped and I fell off a bridge and I drowned in a puddle. | ||
| I achieved my mission and no matter what happens, the globalists are yet to find out. | ||
| When they find out, they'll probably take me out. | ||
| This is all gravy. | ||
| Hiccup. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I worry about that. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| And it would be super irresponsible to say, like, that is what's going to happen. | ||
| But I feel shades of, I would never hurt myself from someone who is preparing to hurt themselves. | ||
| I hope that's not the case, and I hope it's... | ||
| Well, once again, I think our ultimate advice to Alex is get some help. | ||
| Talk to somebody. | ||
| Talk to somebody, please. | ||
| There is help available. | ||
| You're hurting yourself and your kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this is not okay. | ||
| Yeah, as much as we fucking despise you, for real. | ||
| Go talk to a professional! | ||
| Fuck you, but your kids don't deserve this. | ||
| And I know that people's personal lives are not on the table for us to discuss, but it would be irresponsible for us to not recognize that... | ||
| If he was a swinging bachelor, I don't think I would care. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would not care, but his actions affect people who don't have any... | ||
| Reason to be hurt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, there are so many people who are the human aftermath. | ||
| No, if Gavin McGinnis was doing this interview, I'd be like, oh, sweet, kill yourself. | ||
| Oh, my God, kill yourself so much. | ||
| Kill yourself. | ||
| Gavin has children, too. | ||
| Kill yourself. | ||
| Okay, well, I'd still say that. | ||
| And all of his children are the paramilitary knights of... | ||
| So, that's all dark, and I don't know how grounded it is, but it's something I'm afraid of. | ||
| Hey everybody, Dan here. | ||
| Sorry, just had to butt in because there's a little bit of a situation. | ||
| When I was trying to record this episode with Jordan, there was one clip that didn't upload into my iTunes where I play all the clips from, and unfortunately we missed it. | ||
| Now normally this would be a situation where I would say, eh, you know, that's too bad we missed one thing that, you know, is relevant to talk about. | ||
| But unfortunately this clip is actually a pretty major piece of what... | ||
| And so it would kind of be incomplete for us to talk about this episode without this clip being a part of it. | ||
| Unfortunately, I'm sitting here now adding this piece in without Jordan here. | ||
| And maybe that's for the best, actually, because I think Jordan would never stop screaming after hearing this clip. | ||
| But here it is, Alex Jones, talking about how he has taken his licks, and he needs to take his licks for going up against the globalists. | ||
| Everything else now is gravy. | ||
| Everything else is just getting ready to meet God. | ||
| And to be a real man, I've got to take my licks, and I'm ready. | ||
| Everything else now is taking my licks. | ||
| That means my kid's got to take the licks, my family's got to take the licks, and I've got to take the licks. | ||
| I'm ready to take the licks. | ||
| Let's get it going there. | ||
| Somebody with God forever, it doesn't matter anymore. | ||
| I'm taking my legs. | ||
| See, that's how God works. | ||
| It's not just a system where everybody's a coward and sells out. | ||
| No, there's people that aren't cowards. | ||
| There's people that are dedicated to the truth and are ready to go all the way. | ||
| And not just put themselves on the line, but their whole families. | ||
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You've got three kids, Alex. | |
| I've got four. | ||
| You've got four kids? | ||
| I tell you, a 10- to 15-year-old, right? | ||
| 10- to 15-year-old? | ||
| I got a 16-month-old right up to a 16-year-old. | ||
| 16-month-old right up to a 16-year-old. | ||
| And there's no... | ||
| This exterminist program is anti-human. | ||
| And if I don't do this, they have no future anyways. | ||
| And that's the liberating understanding, is that if I don't commit to the truth and take this, they have no future. | ||
| So, what you have here is Alex Jones very clearly expressing that he is willing to put his family in very serious danger for the beliefs that he has. | ||
| I don't know how to talk about this necessarily, other than to say that this is incredibly ugly and irresponsible. | ||
| This is terrible parenting. | ||
| This is the sort of thing that I think should be played in his custody hearings, because as you hear, he's expressing that my kids are going to have to take their licks, which is... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what to say about it other than I'm glad Jordan's not here again because he would be absolutely furious about that. | ||
| Anyway, back to the show. | ||
| But in this next clip, Alex is forced to talk about Pizzagate a little bit. | ||
| Patrick brings up Pizzagate. | ||
| And there's something interesting I really want you to track here. | ||
| And that is the difference in the way that Alex talks about the WikiLeaks on his own show and in this interview with Patrick. | ||
| I'm on fire. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| You've seen nothing. | ||
| I've seen nothing. | ||
| So this whole thing with pizza gate theory, the stuff that you have, they... | ||
| Well, the Catholic Church running giant pedophile rings, that's confirmed. | ||
| And the fact that it was in the WikiLeaks that there were these giant child kidnapping rings, NBC, ABC, CNN, they focused on... | ||
| It's a place in D.C. to divert everyone like a broken, you know, like a mockingbird. | ||
| The mother acts like its wings broken. | ||
| So we had it all. | ||
| Like the kids are going to be in the hot tub and Obama wants the hot dogs, $65,000 worth. | ||
| We were covering that. | ||
| And then they diverted off to D.C. and people covered it. | ||
| And I said, oh, yeah, that's not what was going on. | ||
| So they go, oh, my God, pedophilia doesn't exist. | ||
| So the way he talks about it when he's on his own show is to say, like, Juicy hot dogs. | ||
| Juicy, succulent hot dogs. | ||
| And then when he talks about that hot tub one, he's like, these kids are so willing. | ||
| They might resist, but they want to have fun. | ||
| Like all that stuff, which isn't in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| He's strictly speaking on this. | ||
| He's accurately presenting things. | ||
| He's not making the same insinuations that he does. | ||
| On his own broadcast, because he knows that he's not talking to the same people. | ||
| And he has been shown that Patrick isn't going to give him the same leeway that he expects from his own audience. | ||
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Right. | |
| If he had said, like, yeah, in the WikiLeaks, it said that Obama wanted all these succulent, juicy, young hot dogs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He would have been like, really? | ||
| And Alex would have been like, okay, well, no, he just said hot dogs. | ||
| If you drive down Lawrence Avenue here in Chicago, Illinois. | ||
| You will pass. | ||
| I don't remember the name of the place, but there is a hot dog joint there that has painted on their wall Provider of Hot Dogs to the White House. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You will see. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's an elaborate scam if it's all about male prostitutes. | ||
| Hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| This hot dog place literally in Chicago. | ||
| I've never been in there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| Did you bring a gun? | ||
| I did suck a gun. | ||
| Male prostitute's dick. | ||
| No, it's such nonsense. | ||
| Such crazy nonsense. | ||
| But he's much closer to what the actual emails say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's intentional. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex just sort of rambles about how great he is. | ||
| He is great. | ||
| And what I'm saying is, is that I'm dead already. | ||
| I already passed the river sticks. | ||
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So... | |
| Everything I'm doing now is pure victory. | ||
| See, this is the kamikaze mission. | ||
| People think humanity just takes this stuff. | ||
| No. | ||
| The spirit of humanity manifests itself in resistance. | ||
| And so that's what's happened. | ||
| It's not about me. | ||
| It's about what do we do to Hollywood? | ||
| What do we do to the corrupt, blood-blood Republicans? | ||
| What do we do to the Democrats? | ||
| What do we do to let them know we're still alive? | ||
| And that's what I've done. | ||
| It doesn't mean, you know, that things don't get a little messy in this thing. | ||
| Grandpa, we just want to check in. | ||
| I'm not raping little kids. | ||
| Define messy. | ||
| I didn't launch the wars that killed millions of people. | ||
| I didn't ship in the narcotics that killed millions of people. | ||
| But how is it I'm the bad guy? | ||
| Grandpa, we're at the zoo. | ||
| I'm the guy you can't talk to. | ||
| I'm the guy that can't be heard. | ||
| I'm the guy that's got to be banned. | ||
| There's got to be reason for it, though. | ||
| Well, it's because the mainstream media are good people. | ||
| I mean, Apple and Google and Facebook are nice people. | ||
| Grandpa, I think you're full of shit. | ||
| And they're protecting you from Alex Jones. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| These are good people. | ||
| These are sweetie pies. | ||
| Mark Zuckerberg, he called his users dumb fuckers, but he didn't mean that. | ||
| He's an angel. | ||
| He's a sweetie pie. | ||
| And so is Nancy Pelosi. | ||
| So is Michael Moore. | ||
| They're not bad people. | ||
| They're good people. | ||
| And we should just roll over because you saw what happened to Alex Jones. | ||
| Is he going to fall asleep soon? | ||
| You saw what happened to him. | ||
| So you better sit down and shut up. | ||
| Who are you talking to? | ||
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Do whatever we say or you're going to pay. | |
| And see, some people don't care. | ||
| Some people don't care. | ||
| Who's some people? | ||
| People that are awakening. | ||
| The people that are about to bring this corrupt world down and build the new world up. | ||
| Glass. | ||
| You heard the ice there. | ||
| Yeah, ice swirling in the glass. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| What Patrick's doing there is almost employing the Errol Morris school of let him talk. | ||
| Just let him keep going. | ||
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What do you think is going to happen next? | |
| They're coming for the children. | ||
| There's some great folks. | ||
| Whose children? | ||
| Your children. | ||
| My children. | ||
| Children's children. | ||
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And we will bring humanity to the next level. | |
| Okay. | ||
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All right. | |
| Wow, did he seem like he was about to fall asleep there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And in this next clip, holy shit. | ||
| The grandiosity that he's manifesting about, like, the reason that they need to take me out is I'm the only threat to the literal world government. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The literal, like, what he imagines that he's up against is a confluence of all global power. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they are so afraid of him that they need to kick him off social media. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When he's still allowed to get his message out through his own channels, absolutely. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They don't take him out in that front at all. | ||
| And this is where he might misinterpret Texas history. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then... | ||
| And then... | ||
| It was always the white man's. | ||
| Whenever we came here, it was shaped exactly like Texas is shaped right now as the white man's state. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Everybody remembers that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This is about him thinking that he's Colonel Travis. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which is hilarious based on the truth of Colonel Travis. | ||
| But then the second piece of it is that he also blasphemes. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Who's backing you up right now? | ||
| Who's calling me saying, hey, I'm going to go out there and fight for you? | ||
| The strongest thing you can do is to have nobody having your back. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Are you Sauron? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| People fighting like 5,000. | ||
| Everybody dies. | ||
| But they knew that was going to happen. | ||
| They were so pissed off that when Travis drove the line in the sand, almost everybody stood across it. | ||
| So, see, these are real sacrifices. | ||
| No, you're talking about Bugs Bunny. | ||
| Where they do a little kid and all these people around that car. | ||
| It's about giving yourself. | ||
| Very Christ-like. | ||
| So, it'll be remember InfoWars. | ||
| It'll be remember Alex Jones when we win this and watch the next phase of human expansion. | ||
| You think what you're doing right now is Christ-like? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think standing up for what's right, being fearless, and building a future is in the spirit of Christ. | ||
| I wouldn't say it's Christ-like. | ||
| Yeah, but he had allies, right? | ||
| I mean, even his Judas, let's just say he backstabbed them. | ||
| Jesus had a lot of allies, huh? | ||
| No, out of the 12, you don't think people backed them up? | ||
| Luke, Mark, Matt, you don't think so. | ||
| I'm asking, who's on your side right now? | ||
| That's what I'm telling you. | ||
| My dad. | ||
| Is that we've already changed the world. | ||
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And I need to take my list. | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
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So, first of all, I'm Colonel Travis. | |
| That is the most paranoid delusions of grandiosity I think I've ever heard in my entire life. | ||
| Do you think that what you're doing is Christ-like? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, all I'm doing is in the spirit of Christ. | ||
| I'm not Christ-like. | ||
| What? | ||
| I drew a line in the sand and Yosemite Sam stepped over that one, so I drew another line in the sand and then Yosemite Sam stepped over that one and eventually I tricked him and he fell over the cliff. | ||
| Anyways, I'm Jesus. | ||
| The parallels with Colonel Travis are fucking real. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But they aren't what Alex wants them to be. | ||
| The parallels of him being a drunk fuck-up who ruined people's lives for a really long time and then accidentally stumbled into being at the Alamo. | ||
| It's very similar to Alex. | ||
| He's screwed up tons of people's lives on his path towards accidentally being in the right place for Roger Stone and Steve Pachanek to manipulate him into being a part of the election here. | ||
| The election is his Alamo, but he's been... | ||
| He didn't die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's basically what he should have died. | ||
| He really wishes he had died. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He is a man who wishes for death, but yet can't. | ||
| Well, it's the only thing that would really validate his narratives is him dying, and that's why I'm kind of afraid of him hurting himself. | ||
| Yeah, but that's why I'm not. | ||
| So, on our last present day episode, we noticed a couple things where Alex was completely invalidating his entire life philosophy, where he called for federal troops to go to the border. | ||
| Right, they should be there. | ||
| Completely, completely, completely counter to his state's rights. | ||
| Put him on the other side. | ||
| Put him on the other side. | ||
| Draw a line in that sand. | ||
| So, there are other incidents of that, but in the next clip, like, I could not believe he said this. | ||
| Mic down for this one. | ||
| So let me flip that on you. | ||
| Do you believe in background checks with guns? | ||
| I believe in the Second Amendment. | ||
| I think criminals are going to get guns regardless. | ||
| But I do think with mental health, other issues, as long as it becomes draconian, I think a background check is probably good. | ||
| So a background check that does maybe, if you're on prescription right now, you're taking Prozac, whatever it is, some of the medication lists that we have that is either for bipolar or whatever, you know, things that we just talked about. | ||
| Those folks can't get a gun. | ||
| You're okay with that? | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| 30% of women are on those drugs, about 15% of men. | ||
| And a lot of people don't act like maniacs when they're on it. | ||
| But I say this. | ||
| Before you restrict my right, people that are on those drugs, when the insert says it can make you be a killer, they should be looked at. | ||
| I think if somebody has been diagnosed as psychotic... | ||
| And it's on those drugs, there should be a database, and you shouldn't be able to have a firearm. | ||
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Or if they have a history of domestic fucking abuse, Dan! | |
| That's relevant, too. | ||
| But, like, that is so counter to Alex's beliefs. | ||
| The idea that he's sitting with this guy and saying, in any way it's okay for a background check, any kind of, like, regulation about guns is so counter to his beliefs. | ||
| Because he believes that, like... | ||
| Gun registration is the exact same thing as taking away people's guns. | ||
| One step towards gun control is all of the steps. | ||
| So for him to be saying, yay! | ||
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Yeah, if you were diagnosed with a mental illness, you shouldn't be able to have a gun. | |
| Because another piece of his narrative is the globalists just want to give you false diagnoses in order to make sure you can't have guns. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So all of this is bullshit. | ||
| That's so exactly the opposite of what he believes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But because he's sitting there with a guy who's clearly not putting up with his bullshit, he's having to sort of mitigate. | ||
| He's having to come to the middle a little bit because he knows that his normal shit is not going to fly. | ||
| Well, and he's drunk enough to be at that point where it's like, well... | ||
| Look, I mean, nobody's crazy. | ||
| Of course crazy people shouldn't have guns. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm not an insane person that I would say that crazy people should be allowed to have guns. | ||
| You know what it is? | ||
| You know what it is? | ||
| I think it's that, but he's recognizing... | ||
| I do believe that crazy people should have guns. | ||
| But it's way too hard for me to defend that to someone who's going to ask a second question. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So I'm just going to fucking play the middle. | ||
| I mean, sometimes there should be, sometimes there shouldn't be. | ||
| If there is offensive to me, then there shouldn't be. | ||
| I'm going to straight give up on all my principles because this conversation is going to be way too hard. | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| On one level, I'm like... | ||
| I admire that strategy. | ||
| It invalidates everything you believe and puts into question your principles as a whole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But congratulations. | ||
| Yeah, but you know, you go to Thanksgiving and somebody's like, ah, you know, the problem with the government is you're like, ah, do you know what I would like? | ||
| Some ice cream. | ||
| You can continue on while I eat ice cream because fucking I'm out. | ||
| Well, there's a difference between an uncomfortable Thanksgiving conversation and a televised interview. | ||
| Yeah, there is a little bit of that. | ||
| Not on television, but it's the equivalent of modern days. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, at this point, Patrick wants to go down the road of, like, he's trying to get back to the sensationalism stuff that Alex still hasn't really addressed. | ||
| He's been trying to get that answer. | ||
| From Alex and he's not giving it. | ||
| So he goes a different tack. | ||
| Initially, I asked what caused this. | ||
| Is it self-inflicted? | ||
| You know, is it something that happened? | ||
| Is there a blind spot? | ||
| Is there a blind spot? | ||
| Like, you know, a lot of times in business, you know, entrepreneurs, business people have blind spots. | ||
| They're reckless in certain areas. | ||
| They're reckless with gambling. | ||
| They're reckless with this. | ||
| Answer it! | ||
| Do you think one of the blind spots for you is sometimes you get so excited and animated and your energy, like your words, they come out so fast because your brain is going a million miles an hour. | ||
| That sometimes you catch yourself overselling something? | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| I'll tune in. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Last week, I was talking about how Anderson Cooper had pushed the Arab Spring. | ||
| And I taped the show, that Sunday show I taped. | ||
| Usually it's a live show, but I taped it. | ||
| I'm in the hot tub of my kids at my parents' house, about to go eat dinner, and I hear myself say, Tucker Carlson pushed the CIA invasion of the Arab Spring, and he's a jerk. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| That was Anderson Cooper. | ||
| And I literally called Anderson Cooper and I said, you probably won't hear about it, but I apologize. | ||
| He said, oh, he thought it was funny. | ||
| But yeah, no, I totally sometimes, like, you hear your rebroadcast, you're like, God, I'm an idiot. | ||
| And when you're not all calculating, you get things wrong sometimes. | ||
| So definitely I get things wrong sometimes. | ||
| 99% of the time I'm right, though. | ||
| How was I saying that? | ||
| Were you okay saying that? | ||
| Are you okay? | ||
| Well, no, no. | ||
| If I get things wrong, that's true. | ||
| Am I fundamentally trying to get things wrong? | ||
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No. | |
| Because when I'm sitting there and hearing myself say something that's totally BS, I'm like, wow. | ||
| You know what double talk is, right? | ||
| Ooh, good question. | ||
| Oh, that is a devastating question. | ||
| It's kind of becoming therapy to some extent. | ||
| That is devastating. | ||
| He's like, is this okay? | ||
| No, if I heard my therapist say that after I said something, he was just like, how did that feel saying that? | ||
| I'd be like, fuck you, I am out of this shit. | ||
| Fuck you with that. | ||
| Don't come at me with this motherfucker to how did it feel to say that shit. | ||
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Fuck! | |
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I'm out of here! | ||
| Sometimes it's a relevant question. | ||
| It is a relevant question in this case, especially. | ||
| So the other thing, too, is that I think you buried the lead, and that is that he's sitting in a hot tub with his kids listening to his own show. | ||
| I know! | ||
| I really don't know why that was okay. | ||
| That's very fucked up. | ||
| I don't know why that's okay. | ||
| I would never listen to my own show out loud. | ||
| There's never a time... | ||
| Oh, good God, no. | ||
| I barely want to listen to the show after we record it and I edit it and stuff like that, but if I do, headphones, baby. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I can't imagine the idea of being caught. | ||
| By someone, like, listening to my own show? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Legitimately, anytime somebody asks me in person, like, uh, what show do you do? | ||
| I'm like, oh, don't, don't, don't worry about it. | ||
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Don't listen to that. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| And then also, all of his kids are under 16, so, like, the idea that he's playing his own show for them in a hot tub, in his parents' hot tub. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| It's a fucking mess. | ||
| Look, if LeBron James told a story where he was hanging out with his kids watching highlights of the 2017 NBA Finals, I'd be like, that's still gross. | ||
| That's still gross. | ||
| At least he's not espousing racism during the game. | ||
| Speaking of which, LeBron's going to come back. | ||
| How is LeBron... | ||
| He's going to come up. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| In that clip, Alex has taken responsibility only for mixing up Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson's name. | ||
| Also, did he... | ||
| Did he say that he called Anderson Cooper? | ||
| He meant to say Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| It's pretty clear that he meant to say, I called Tucker and apologized for mixing you up with Anderson Cooper. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| But he said Anderson Cooper when he said he called. | ||
| In the process of talking about a situation where he mixed up Tucker Carlson and Anderson Cooper, he mixed up Tucker Carlson and Anderson Cooper. | ||
| That threw me for a loop when I first heard it as well. | ||
| I was like, you didn't call Anderson Cooper. | ||
| But I do believe he could call Tucker. | ||
| So I think that's what he's talking about. | ||
| So he's willing to take responsibility. | ||
| Responsibility for mixing up base facts in terms of, like, I got the name wrong or something like that. | ||
| And Patrick pushes back. | ||
| I made a statement, but no one knows I made a double-talk safe statement. | ||
| I don't think it's double-talk to say sometimes I get somebody's name completely wrong. | ||
| Not name. | ||
| No, no, not name. | ||
| I'm talking sensationalizing something. | ||
| I'm talking, here's what happened, but let me tell you what else Hillary did. | ||
| Let me tell you what else Barack did. | ||
| Let me tell you what else, you know, Bush or 9-11. | ||
| Let me tell you what else. | ||
| And then you take it to hold it. | ||
| Let's just say it's a 7. It's a crisis. | ||
| You take it at 11. Undoubtedly, I've exaggerated things. | ||
| But usually, it's like the opposite. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Alex, you have exaggerated things. | ||
| Wait, in a question wherein he explains, do you know what double talk is? | ||
| Alex then goes, of course I've done this, but I don't do that. | ||
| Most of the time I under-exaggerate. | ||
| Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, Alex. | ||
| I'm telling you, I know exactly why this guy is good at running a multi-level marketing scheme. | ||
| He is shrewd and fucking direct. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, this is two hours long. | ||
| I've cut out a lot of him. | ||
| There's a lot of meandering. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| There's a number of times that he goes down the wrong avenue. | ||
| But I still can see what he's trying to do. | ||
| I get the point of this question, but it's kind of like, eh, you're... | ||
| You're dealing with Alex Jones. | ||
| This is the wrong tag. | ||
| But he's a salesman, though. | ||
| This guy is definitely doing all of the salesman tricks of, like, oh, poke a little bit here. | ||
| You don't like that. | ||
| Well, I'll come back to that later once I've softened you up over here. | ||
| And then I'll poke you over here again. | ||
| And, oh, you're not ready for that yet. | ||
| But that's no big deal. | ||
| He's a plate spinner. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You've got to keep this one going over here. | ||
| Then over here you spin that one. | ||
| It's starting to slow down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And exactly what you're talking about. | ||
| Pizzagate came up earlier, now it comes back up, and it is much more problematic this time around. | ||
| Because Alex has just admitted that he exaggerates stuff. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| Let's just say I'm a true believer in Alex Jones and what he says, because a lot of people are. | ||
| You've got a big following. | ||
| And suddenly you say, if this is what, this is what, then somebody goes and shoots outside. | ||
| Let's talk about that. | ||
| Let's talk about it. | ||
| We have the WikiLeaks in New York. | ||
| That's exactly what we were talking about. | ||
| All devil worship, Alistair Crowley stuff, it's in there. | ||
| And we've got it coming out with Wiener, all of it. | ||
| And then suddenly, New York Times, Washington Post, CNN say, no! | ||
| Pizzagate, which was FBI code words where they use pizza, Italian food names for pedophilia, is this place. | ||
| We go look, it isn't there. | ||
| The media then focuses on us reporting on other reports to say we're saying that that's happening here as a way to demonize us and black out all the other coverage of what's going on the other subject. | ||
| That's what's going on with Pizzagate. | ||
| Okay, you did it again. | ||
| No, I told you what happened. | ||
| I told you that's what happened. | ||
| We didn't progenerate. | ||
| We didn't create the Pizzagate story. | ||
| Mainstream media... | ||
| Well, you screwed up by taking that approach. | ||
| Okay, so you lost credibility the moment you go that approach. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Oh, my God! | ||
| This is so... | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Did this just turn into business counseling? | ||
| Nice. | ||
| You screwed up. | ||
| You screwed up. | ||
| You didn't start it, but you screwed up by doing what you did. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is lying about what he did still. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Patrick is only responding to what Alex is lying to him about in the room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you were actually responding to, like, Alex literally... | ||
| He's saying, I'm only responding to the Washington Post and New York Times reporting that conspiracy theorists are saying that there's a sex club at this pizza place. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| He's responding to, like, Reddit and 4chan having all of these posts about this stuff. | ||
| And him being like, we played the clip that he took off the internet where he's like, you know what? | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| You gotta check out their menus. | ||
| You gotta see what this is all about. | ||
| It's a dark rabbit hole to go down. | ||
| You gotta investigate it for yourself. | ||
| Which is what led that guy to show up there with a gun. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So... | ||
| Why is it that a giant piece of shit is the only one who's interviewing Alex the best way? | ||
| Well, it's maybe because he's the only person that Alex feels safe with and has access to him. | ||
| You know, it... | ||
| But, like, there's no... | ||
| Alex would never agree to be interviewed by us. | ||
| Oh, yeah, of course not. | ||
| I wouldn't want to do it anyway. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| People like us, or even the Behind the Bastards guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I could see him doing a pretty good job of interviewing Alex, perhaps, but you'd never agree to do that. | ||
| It's too dangerous. | ||
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Right. | |
| This probably seemed like a really safe possibility. | ||
| You need a mafia sting operation for Alex. | ||
| You need to have somebody, like... | ||
| You kind of push the way into the world, and then all of a sudden you feel safe, and then finally the claws come out. | ||
| You need someone like Patrick David to interview him, but beforehand talk to someone like us. | ||
| That is probably the way you would ever pin him in an interview. | ||
| You need someone like us, or there are other people, not just us, but someone who knows the deal. | ||
| I mean, I suppose a team of PhDs who have studied propagandas their entire lives, they could probably help. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But what I would have done is been like, hey, Patrick, your life story invalidates Alex's rhetoric. | ||
| Let's start there. | ||
| At some point in the interview, bring up your refugee history. | ||
| At some point, bring up the fact that you had to flee Iran during the Iraq-Iran War. | ||
| And that you are now... | ||
| Now, granted, don't bring up the fact that you're a con man, but you have now become a productive member of American society, and you are ostensibly a success. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| I think that's the wrong way to go. | ||
| I think it's totally the wrong way to go. | ||
| No, because if he brings up the refugee thing, then all Alex is going to do is going to be like, oh, hey, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. | ||
| You guys have always gotten this wrong. | ||
| You guys always paint us conservatives as being the people who are against illegal immigration. | ||
| We're for immigration. | ||
| Just legal immigration. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Now, admittedly, we wanted to make it impossible for you to legally immigrate. | ||
| So now let's imagine that that would be Alex's response. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have Patrick have transcripts of things that Alex has said about people like him, and then Alex would be... | ||
| You're taking those out of context, smash the table, and then run out the door. | ||
| But then you just say, well, smash the table, run out the door. | ||
| There's nothing you can do about that. | ||
| But assuming he doesn't do that, and he says, like, you're taking this out of context... | ||
| Please explain the context. | ||
| But see, that's where I go the other direction. | ||
| You said start with your personal story. | ||
| I'm not saying start with it. | ||
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When I say start with it, I mean that is a kernel of something. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| Not as where we begin the interview, but that is something you could throw at him that would be a deep, deep problem. | ||
| It's an arrow in your quiver. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And a big one. | ||
| But you said leave out the part where you're a con man. | ||
| Well, I'm just saying for presentation's sake. | ||
| See, I say lead with being the con man. | ||
| Well, that's how you get familiarity. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's how you get rapport. | ||
| Go with it. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| I'm trying to run my game. | ||
| You're trying to run your game. | ||
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We're all con man, baby. | |
| Let your guard down. | ||
| The cameras are off. | ||
| Yeah, don't worry about this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyways, go into that bathroom. | ||
| You're still mic'd up. | ||
| You killed everybody, right? | ||
| Burp. | ||
| Burp, burp. | ||
| So, all this is to say, I don't know, this could have been done better, but at the same time, I really do appreciate Patrick pushing back on Alex's, like, what are you fucking doing? | ||
| He's telling a story about Pizzagate, and Patrick is like, this is where you fucked up. | ||
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You understand that this is where you fucked up. | |
| No, this has the feel of Alex was called into the principal's office, and it was like, hey, look, you did something wrong. | ||
| It's not what you did was wrong, it's that you did it wrong. | ||
| It's not that you cheated on me, it's that you lied about it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So, Alex lies more about Pizzagate stuff, and Patrick is trying his best to be like, do you understand what you're saying? | ||
| And then, there is the shooting, what if you wouldn't have gone that route? | ||
| What if it was just purely educational? | ||
| What if it was just, I'm gonna give you the info? | ||
| There's no doubt when I see... | ||
| The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, Shane. | ||
| The conspiracy theorists say there's a sex club in this place in D.C., and then we cover it, and then they say, I did it? | ||
| You better believe now I don't cover that. | ||
| Is it fair to say that? | ||
| Do you understand that I never covered that pizza place until The Washington Post, The New York Times, and CNN did? | ||
| Not true. | ||
| And then 4chan, which is a bunch of operatives, supplied all the BS. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| 4chan is a bunch of operatives. | ||
| Bunch of operatives. | ||
| Whether or not that's true, Alex very recently found Antifa contracts with George Soros organizations on 4chan and has been reporting it as true. | ||
| So even if he got burned during Pizzagate by believing things from 4chan, he didn't change. | ||
| He didn't change. | ||
| They're not all operatives. | ||
| Right, right, whatever. | ||
| And then my reporters covered it. | ||
| There's only four of them. | ||
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You understand, we didn't create that story. | |
| But you have been talking about parts of that story. | ||
| No, the media... | ||
| Are you talking specific? | ||
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People on the street walk up and they go, FU, Pizzagate. | |
| And I'm like, I didn't create that story. | ||
| And like they go, they walk up and they go, I had a lady walk up two days ago when I was at the grocery store. | ||
| I was buying cherries and cheese and like food for the hamburger meat. | ||
| The lady walks over and she goes, FU, stop harassing the Sandy Hook families. | ||
| I looked at her and I said, lady, I questioned that five years ago, what other people did. | ||
| And she goes, F you Russian. | ||
| That's what the media told her. | ||
| Let's stay on this topic. | ||
| No, let's go back to this thing. | ||
| I graduated Sandy Hook in this interview, so I don't want to go back to Sandy Hook. | ||
| No, but that's all they talk about. | ||
| No, but I don't want to talk about that. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Good, let's not talk about it. | ||
| I believe it happened, and I'm sorry for the family. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| God damn it, stop saying I said it didn't happen. | ||
| Stay in this topic. | ||
| Let's stay focused on this topic here. | ||
| When you hear that bang, that's him hitting his fist on the table. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just going like, I didn't say it! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You did. | ||
| This is the moment, man. | ||
| It's hard, man. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| So in the next clip, I'm going to skip it because we have enough to get through already. | ||
| He's just going to say that Megyn Kelly took him out of context and it was a really funny moment. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, he's like, they edited everything and Patrick's like, of course they did. | ||
| They're making a show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good work, Alex. | ||
| He's like, I have. | ||
| I have tape of everything that'll prove me right. | ||
| What do you mean they don't have production readings on air? | ||
| But the more important thing is that he's trying to present himself as a victim again. | ||
| He's like, they took me out of context. | ||
| Do you know how that feels? | ||
| That's your entire career, Alex. | ||
| All you do is take people out of context. | ||
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So who else knows how it feels like he does? | |
| Right, but it makes it very hard to have any empathy for him. | ||
| But then the theme of Pizzagate continues. | ||
| And Alex says something that I think is super fucked up. | ||
| And I didn't know it was something he... | ||
| He might believe. | ||
| This is really bad. | ||
| You know, that's one of the fundamental themes. | ||
| There's a man versus man, van versus nature, man versus technology, and then Pizzagate. | ||
| Let's stay on Pizzagate. | ||
| Fair? | ||
| Let's go on Pizzagate. | ||
| I'm going to re-remind you what you just said to me about two minutes ago. | ||
| You said, I didn't bring up Pizzagate. | ||
| Other people did. | ||
| And then I started talking about it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That's kind of like you saying, I didn't invent guns. | ||
| John Doe did. | ||
| I just used it. | ||
| So you took that story that they started talking about, and then you sensationalized it, and a guy went out there and shot the place. | ||
| So the part when you're asking about... | ||
| No, the media said that some out-of-work actor hooked into them, that no one even proved shot the place, did that, as like a way to even ask the first amendment. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Now, Alex's conspiracy is that that shooting at Comet Ping Pong didn't happen. | ||
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Did he just false flag his own false flag? | |
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I don't really appreciate that Patrick didn't push back on that. | ||
| Because that's crazy. | ||
| What do you say to that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What do you say to that? | ||
| Other than like... | ||
| Are you just going to not acknowledge reality ever? | ||
| Well, I think the only thing you can do as the interviewer in this case is make sure that he says specifically what he means. | ||
| And Patrick doesn't do that. | ||
| What Alex is saying is that shooting didn't happen. | ||
| It was a worker for the globalists, an out-of-work actor, that the media got to do this and it was all fake. | ||
| So the idea then, if you're the interviewer, is to say, what do you mean by that? | ||
| Please say specifically what you mean. | ||
| Without Alex... | ||
| Realizing he's being tricked into specifically saying, that shooting didn't happen. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Because then now, you know who the victim of that shooting was? | ||
| James Elephantus. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The owner of Comet Ping Pong Pizza, who already threatened to sue Alex and got a public apology from him. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So now, if he's on this new platform where he's being interviewed, he's saying... | ||
| I apologize for something that didn't even happen! | ||
| He's saying that the shooting is fake. | ||
| That... | ||
| This could be really fucking damaging for Alex. | ||
| You know what's crazy, though, is that this has stopped sounding like an interview to me and started more sounding like a... | ||
| Like, I'm taking an employee into the back to explain why they cleaned up the floors wrong. | ||
| Yeah, there's something to that. | ||
| Like, this really does have a sound of, like, look! | ||
| I don't think what you're doing is bad. | ||
| I think you're bad at doing it. | ||
| There is kind of that feel to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And part of that comes from Patrick David's, like, his background as an entrepreneur and being sort of like an advice guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| I think that his sort of worldview and his modus operandi is kind of that coaching thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he's kind of trying to, like, Alex? | ||
| How can you do what you do better? | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Do you understand that you fucked up? | ||
| You don't. | ||
| And when it's clear that, like, no, he doesn't understand, there's nothing to do other than keep asking questions as best you can. | ||
| I think you're a great dictator, and I really like the way you're going about it. | ||
| However... | ||
| Do you think you made some mistakes? | ||
| What is your fault here? | ||
| What do you think you could improve upon? | ||
| I imagine Pol Pot would admit to more mistakes than Alex is in this interview. | ||
| So, at this point... | ||
| Well, I killed Derek and I fucking loved that guy, man. | ||
| At this point, I think that Patrick kind of recognizes that the roads that he's been going down are kind of fruitless. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The idea of the sensationalism, the idea of, like, why aren't other people kicked off that say the same things as you? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The idea of, like, he already got him to admit that he exaggerates stuff, so that's a win. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in terms of actually getting anywhere with the Pizzagate or Sandy Hook, which, again, Alex brought up himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because apparently that's the only thing that's breaking Alex's brain right now. | ||
| I think he realizes nothing we can do about this. | ||
| Let's try and pivot onto just, like, hot topics. | ||
| And so he asks him about college. | ||
| Now we're going to do the lightning round! | ||
| Alex, what do we got here? | ||
| He asks him about education. | ||
| And pay very close attention to Alex burping up booze while he answers this question about how much he hates college. | ||
| What is your thoughts on the current educational system? | ||
| I think it's a total scam, like Rush Limbaugh used to say. | ||
| I went to college. | ||
| I could have gotten to UT, and I already had a couple jobs. | ||
| I was making, like, more than the professors were. | ||
| I was making $100,000 a year, and I knew the professors were making, like, $40,000 a year, and it was all this anti-American crap. | ||
| So I was in sales and a bunch of other stuff when I was, like, 19 years old. | ||
| And so I just thought it was more of an indoctrination thing. | ||
| So real quick, if he was making $100,000 in sales as a 19-year-old, there's a decent chance that back then he was working in some sort of a Cutco MLM type. | ||
| He might have been a very successful sales con man back then. | ||
| Entirely possible. | ||
| $100,000 as a 19-year-old with no experience is an incredible amount. | ||
| I think he's exaggerating. | ||
| It's an insane amount of money. | ||
| If you take him at his word. | ||
| What realistically probably was happening was he's making much less than that. | ||
| But it was some sort of con thing like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We only have his information to go on, and he's a liar. | ||
| So who knows exactly what he's talking about, but it seems like that might be his entire career and life. | ||
| So I went to community college for two years, and that's why I got a modern education, which I think isn't actually getting ready for the real world. | ||
| I think it's politically. | ||
| Kind of just indoctrinating. | ||
| That's where I stand on. | ||
| Do you mean it was hard? | ||
| I think education is great overall. | ||
| Do you mean it was hard to read? | ||
| It's hard to read. | ||
| Like engineering or things like that. | ||
| I have trouble reading. | ||
| General degrees now are a joke. | ||
| So STEM, you need school. | ||
| Anything outside of STEM, you don't necessarily need to go to school. | ||
| Is that kind of what you're saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, people need to know engineering. | ||
| They're going to probably be a lawyer to go to school. | ||
| Mainly it's the thing about getting in big debt. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Mainly the concern is that they're going to get into big debt. | ||
| Do you have a strong opinion on how you would improve it? | ||
| Because I'm curious. | ||
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I actually am curious to know if there's one, two, three things you say. | |
| Here's what we could do with the educational system to improve it. | ||
| Or it's a non-topic, non-issue. | ||
| The educational system is about political indoctrination. | ||
| So I would fix it by making it based on real, up-to-date, real-world application for engineering. | ||
| For culture, for science, for jobs. | ||
| Not about being politically indoctrinated. | ||
| So they are basically political cults now and education. | ||
| All of those things are political. | ||
| Applications is worthless. | ||
| Today. | ||
| In 2018. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| There is no one of those things that he mentioned that is not inherently political. | ||
| Fair enough, but even take that out of it. | ||
| Just use his words. | ||
| He's saying that the problem with education is that it's political brainwashing. | ||
| So what you need to do is change it and make it about engineering. | ||
| Culture. | ||
| He says culture in what it's supposed to be about. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Why would a... | ||
| He's trying to make it sound like what he's advocating is just like, you know, you just need to go in. | ||
| Mostly about training for jobs, being a lawyer, being an engineer. | ||
| But the fact that his brain immediately goes to culture being a part of it leads me to believe. | ||
| He's just like, well, I want... | ||
| I want our whiteness to be a part of this. | ||
| Yeah, when you say culture, most people think like, oh, you mean humanities and the arts. | ||
| And what he means is indoctrinating people into accepting the white culture that we have. | ||
| Well, because his problem, why he thinks that colleges are brainwashing dens and what have you, is because of the idea of plurality and diversity that exists on campuses. | ||
| And that the college students protest things that he supports. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Blah. | |
| Anyway, this next clip is my furthest, firmest evidence that Alex Jones is fucking shithoused. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Patrick brings up David Brock, and Alex comes up with a joke. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| David Brock. | ||
| No, drunk Alex jokes are not good. | ||
| David Brock, if you don't know, is the guy who runs Media Matters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex hates him because he's a conduit for Soros shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But... | ||
| But Alex comes up with a joke and won't let it go. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I mean, David Brock is basically George Soros' toilet. | ||
| So whatever George Soros craps out on us is into David Brock. | ||
| So David Brock is just a soulless, globalist that takes hundreds of millions of dollars to attack the First Amendment, infiltrate media organizations, engage in all sorts of horrible activities. | ||
| I mean, David Brock is just an absolutely traitorous individual. | ||
| That's discomfort. | ||
| Yeah, he's George Soros' toilet. | ||
| So, who are you? | ||
| His mouth is. | ||
| Like, his mouth is the toilet bowl. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| I fully get it. | ||
| I like that better. | ||
| I fully get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| So, you fucking nailed it. | ||
| Jordan, this next part is awesome. | ||
| Because there's a question that a lot of people should be asking Alex Jones that no one really thinks to ask him. | ||
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Do you wax or do you shave? | |
| Boxers or briefs, bro. | ||
| It's about 9-11. | ||
| Now, I don't like to dive too deep into Alex's 9-11 beliefs because I just don't think that that's super productive. | ||
| I think there's a lot of other people who have covered it. | ||
| Do that on your own. | ||
| I just don't like it all that much. | ||
| But there is a really essential question that is, you talk a lot about 9-11. | ||
| What do you know about it? | ||
| Let's talk about 9-11, since today is 9-11. | ||
| I forgot about it. | ||
| At what point did you come out, when you came out and you talked about what you thought was taking place with 9-11, who was really behind a 9-11 with what you've studied over the years and what you've spoken about? | ||
| I don't know who's behind it. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Ooh. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| Seems like you should really know if you're the guy who's... | ||
| On your show, you definitely present it as if you know. | ||
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Who do you say it is? | |
| That's fascinating. | ||
| I mean, say... | ||
| The idea that he's saying... | ||
| You've done years and years of research on it. | ||
| Years and years of research. | ||
| You talk about it all the time. | ||
| You know exactly who did it. | ||
| Who was behind it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Could be anybody. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Those terrorists might have done it. | ||
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Who the fuck... | |
| This is the exact same thing as what we talked about earlier. | ||
| He has a pitch that he'd like to go into, but he recognizes that Patrick's going to ask him another question. | ||
| And he knows, like, ah, shit, this isn't going to work. | ||
| I'll just fucking say I don't know. | ||
| Whoever you think did it, fuck off. | ||
| So he rambles a bit and eventually lands on Dick Cheney as being sort of a culprit. | ||
| See, now that I'm actually fine with. | ||
| But he brings up the Project for a New American Century document, the Rebuilding America's Defenses. | ||
| And he says this, which is very unfair. | ||
| Dick Cheney wrote Rebuilding America's Defenses the year before 9-11, PNAC document, and it says we want a new Pearl Harbor that kills at least 3,000 people. | ||
| It says this. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| And we want to use bioweapons to kill the Muslims. | ||
| And back then, I was more of a liberal. | ||
| I still don't want to kill the Muslims. | ||
| And I'm like, holy hell. | ||
| Wait, did he just say back then I was more of a liberal? | ||
| No. | ||
| I still didn't want to kill all these Muslims. | ||
| No, I had to listen to that like three times because I thought that's what he said. | ||
| He says, I was more of a liberal back then. | ||
| And I still don't want to kill all the Muslims. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Because it really doesn't sound like that. | ||
| It's so close to him saying... | ||
| It really doesn't. | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| Back then, I didn't want to kill all the Muslims. | ||
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I know. | |
| Now, of course. | ||
| I thought, like, oh my god, how drunk are you that you just said that? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But no, it's clear if you really listen to it. | ||
| He's saying, back then, I was more liberal, but I also still don't want to kill the Muslims. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that... | ||
| But, oh boy. | ||
| Oh boy, that was... | ||
| It's a razor... | ||
| That was a hair trim. | ||
| And... | ||
| Only the Austin-American statesman picked it up. | ||
| But that was in the Austin-American statesman. | ||
| Dick Cheney says, we got race-specific weapons, and the problem is it'll kill 22% of whites and like 70% of blacks, because Arabs are a mix of the two. | ||
| What? | ||
| But we should be ready to release it. | ||
| And I'm like reading this in the PNAC documents. | ||
| Right after I don't know what happened. | ||
| I had to write it before it happened. | ||
| And they're talking about killing everybody, and they're talking about world government. | ||
| And, I mean, these are public stuff. | ||
| You can read this. | ||
| You can. | ||
| I like the idea that he sort of thinks that people in the Middle East are like a chocolate and vanilla swirl. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, white people are white. | ||
| Black people are black. | ||
| Brown people, obviously, that's just white-less black. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| That makes perfect sense. | ||
| Half and half. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So... | ||
| That is what we're dealing with, isn't it? | ||
| That's elementary level. | ||
| Yeah, that's what these people genuinely are like. | ||
| It's like, oh, well, Chinese is just like a part of this place and then strawberry. | ||
| You know, it's the same shit. | ||
| It's Neapolitan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the... | ||
| The Project for a New American Century, the PNAC document, Rebuilding America's Defenses, it's sort of a boogeyman for the anti-right part of Alex's career. | ||
| He made a lot of hay out of this, and a lot of people who are sort of left-leaning Alex-y types will bring that up as proof that these people did 9-11. | ||
| And I resent that a little bit. | ||
| And this is always difficult because... | ||
| It is bad. | ||
| You look at the document, it's fucking bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they exaggerate how bad it is. | ||
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| The notorious PNAC document is a pretty shitty document that does absolutely lead one to suspect that should the people who wrote this sort of thing get into power, they might choose to not take credible threats too seriously in order that they might be able to exploit a tragedy in order to push through the policies that they're in favor of. | ||
| That in no way proves that they, quote, did 9-11, but still should earn all their asses a trip to The Hague. | ||
| As to Alex's part about the race... | ||
| Yeah, it's like, I don't think there's proof that Chaney was behind 9-11. | ||
| But I do think Cheney very easily could have been behind 9-11. | ||
| He very easily could have had a part in not accepting threats because this is the sort of thing that they would like to happen in order to perpetuate their agenda. | ||
| It's possible that that's the case. | ||
| I'm not going to make a YouTube video about it. | ||
| The part that Alex is talking about about them wanting to have a bunch of deaths, it's not in there. | ||
| All of the passage that he was referencing is, quote, Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor. | ||
| But again, this doesn't prove that they did 9-11, nor does it say anywhere in the document they needed 3,000 people dead. | ||
| All that shit's nonsense. | ||
| That would be a weirdly specific number. | ||
| Like, is that some sort of... | ||
| Well, we had a statistics guy go back through history and we found that any good catalyzing event that allows us to transform a country into what we needed to be requires about 3,000 deaths. | ||
| Above that, you can still go. | ||
| Below that, people don't care as much. | ||
| Now, as to Alex's part about race-specific bioweapons, he's taking that exclusively from one passage. | ||
| Quote, Information systems will become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces. | ||
| And advanced forms of biological warfare that can, quote, target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terrorism to a political, So they're talking about people attacking the United States. | ||
| It's important that you realize one thing. | ||
| The name of the document is Rebuilding America's Defenses! | ||
| And that the entire context of the passage is discussing threats that the United States might face in the coming years as technologies evolve and malevolent actors gain various unforeseen advantages. | ||
| So they're talking about hypothetical things that could be stuff we need to protect against as opposed to we have developed race-specific bioweapons. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex is completely taking this out of context, which earlier in this interview, he's crying about other people doing to him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, the other thing you need to take into consideration that's very important is genotype is not the same thing as race. | ||
| What? | ||
| Dan! | ||
| But I went to community college for a couple of years and I learned all the STEM fields. | ||
| Are you telling me that they didn't throw that in there? | ||
| When he's saying that certain weapons that could target a genotype are conceivably things we should be worried about someone developing. | ||
| Yeah, like the blackotype, the whiteotype, the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not the same thing as a race-specific bioweapon. | ||
| According to the NIH, quote... | ||
| Strict categories, exclusive and exhaustive, in which each human being is assignable without ambiguity to one and only one race and the basis of genetic characteristics are unattainable. | ||
| Thus, genetics cannot provide a single definitive human classification system for which to address the many facets of health differences. | ||
| So would you say that race is almost a... | ||
| not thing? | ||
| Race? | ||
| It primarily exists as a social construct. | ||
| And that's the game that Alex is operating under. | ||
| Yet he tries to use it as some sort of a scientific thing to bolster narratives like this. | ||
| None of this is to defend Chaney. | ||
| None of this is to defend... | ||
| No, he did 9-11. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| None of this is to defend any of that, but it's super unfair. | ||
| So this saying, like, oh, that's where your idea of race-specific bioweapons comes from? | ||
| I got bad news. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| They're actually bioweapons that scan the color of your skin. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah, they don't work on any kind of genetics. | ||
| They have optics, there's a computer. | ||
| It's like drones. | ||
| You do it, it's fine. | ||
| So this is a load of bullshit. | ||
| You know, the most race-specific bioweapon is a white guy with a gun. | ||
| Oh, yeah, certainly. | ||
| Isn't that a really race-specific bioweapon? | ||
| Especially when it's a cop. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So let's take this back a second. | ||
| Patrick was saying that, like, what do you know about 9-11? | ||
| Alex said, I don't know who did it. | ||
| Now, Patrick has a follow-up question here that is deeply problematic for Alex's entire sense of self. | ||
| You make it easy sometimes for these people to take shots at you. | ||
| Some people also on the flip side say, listen, Alex could have contacts on the inside with the CIA and DEA that he knows people that are feeding him stuff, etc., etc. | ||
| Is there anybody on the inside that's connecting you and telling you stuff? | ||
| Because if that is true, you would have more information about 9-11. | ||
| Because if the stuff you're talking about got 5 billion views, then wouldn't somebody from the inside who is opposing, like right now they're saying there's somebody on the inside that's working with Trump that opposes them, somebody would contact and say, Alex, here's some information I'm going to pass down to you. | ||
| So real quick, that's a dangerous question for Alex, which is, if you have the sources that you claim to, you should know more about 9-11. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That is a deep problem for Alex's narratives. | ||
| Now let's see how he answers that question. | ||
| Zach! | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| If you went and bought groceries five years ago, are you worried about the grocery you bought five years ago? | ||
| No. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| We're trying to get the economy going. | ||
| We're trying to defend the country. | ||
| We're trying to stop war. | ||
| I don't talk to people about what happened 18 years ago. | ||
| Today's 9-11. | ||
| I brought it up because it's 9-11. | ||
| No, no, I'm not saying you're wrong. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We're not trying to fight old fights. | ||
| We're not trying to open old wounds. | ||
| We're not even trying to hurt globalists. | ||
| We just want them to get out of the way for American success. | ||
| I mean, do I talk to people, you know, in corporations, in media, and like, oh, some sexiness of government agencies? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it's not like they're just American patriots like I am. | ||
| So I'm not like sitting there talking about what happened 17 years ago with people. | ||
| We're trying to like... | ||
| How do we boost the stock market? | ||
| How do we fix the country? | ||
| How do we make Americans come together? | ||
| I mean, I've been in these meetings. | ||
| You want to talk about CIA, generals, everything. | ||
| It's like, we need to racially bring people together. | ||
| Why didn't any of them tell you about 9-11? | ||
| We need to try to find out how to not be at war with Islam and try to get radicalism out of the way. | ||
| We need to bring everybody together and we need to be peaceful. | ||
| And how do we make the world a better place? | ||
| It's literally... | ||
| With Trump, how do we make a better future? | ||
| It is not the leftist saying race war, religious war. | ||
| It's the opposite. | ||
| With Trump, it is we want unification. | ||
| We want a free market system. | ||
| We want justice. | ||
| And your mission is to empower people and have them believe they're powerful, and whether they're Christian or Muslim or agnostic or gay or straight, to unify people around a human victory for the planet. | ||
| That's what Trump's doing, and that's why they're pissed. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| That's not the definition of a non-answer. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| And that's so stupid, because any of those things could, like all the things he's like, we're working towards, probably could be achieved by one of your sources telling you what happened with 9-11. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So that's like, that's so dodgy. | ||
| But even in his dumb, dodgy answer, again, he is the weakest link of this shit. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Because it is so obvious, when he's like, we need to find a way to not be at war with Islam. | ||
| And then in the next press, We need to get radical Islam out of the way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is like... | ||
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And what's your definition of radical Islam? | |
| Your definition of radical Islam is all Islam. | ||
| So how do we find a way to not be at war with Islam? | ||
| While we try and get rid of Islam. | ||
| That's a two-step way of saying we need an ethnic cleansing. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But because they're divided, you're like, well, I mean, you combine, sure, nuclear material with this and then nuclear material over there, and it's a bomb. | ||
| But if you just say them differently, it's not even that harmful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he just said we need to get rid of Islam entirely. | ||
| Well, if you understand what he stands for and what the subtext of his words are, that is what he's saying. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly... | ||
| Why is it... | ||
| That's so weird about language and the way that we treat it. | ||
| It's that, like, you can use a euphemism to say anything you want to, but if you say it directly, everybody gets mad at you. | ||
| Well, but they would get mad at you for using that euphemistically if they understood what you're saying. | ||
| Or at least, like, I think that Patrick would push back against him if he had more of a robust understanding of who Alex was. | ||
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But what he just said was, we need to get rid of Islam! | |
| Like, he might as well have stood on top of a literal fucking soapbox and said, kill the Islamic people! | ||
| But if you are someone like, I assume, Patrick Bette David is, who thinks that there is a problem with radical Islam, you could hear Alex say, Radical Islam. | ||
| Like, well, that is a problem. | ||
| There are all those terrorists and stuff like that. | ||
| And not recognize that in Alex's definition of the word, that is all. | ||
| There is no room for moderate Islam in his world. | ||
| That's how they get away with this shit, though. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's how they... | ||
| They all think that! | ||
| And that's why it's dangerous. | ||
| God, they all think that! | ||
| That's why it's dangerous to be unprepared and have interviews with people like him. | ||
| Because you will accidentally be tricked into thinking that they're saying something that's like, that makes sense. | ||
| When in actuality, you and I both know, Alex is advocating for the elimination of a religion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a population. | ||
| He's just going for genocide right now. | ||
| Because your follow-up there, if you know what's going on, is just like... | ||
| Okay, give an example of non-radical Islam. | ||
| Define it. | ||
| What's your moderate Islam? | ||
| Throw that in there. | ||
| Give it a shot. | ||
| Now, it's interesting that you're bringing up genocide because there's these one dude named Dem Nazis who tried to pull that off earlier. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And, boy, Patrick has an interesting question about Nazis that Alex is... | ||
| So fucking adverse to answering that I think it means something. | ||
| Is that a little bit revealing? | ||
| I think it might be. | ||
| Are Nazis good? | ||
| Jordan? | ||
| The answer should be a very quick, succinct, no. | ||
| If the answer has more than one word in it, it's probably not a good sign. | ||
| This is a mic down clip. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Here we go. | ||
| Sometimes you get criticism because some people say, well, Alex never... | ||
| He bashes Nazis. | ||
| You know, a lot of times they'll say, you know, he is so nice to them. | ||
| He is so kind to them. | ||
| He is so gentle with them. | ||
| What do you have to say about that? | ||
| Nazis were like people we beat like 70 years ago in World War II. | ||
| It's like a mentally ill joke about being nice to Nazis. | ||
| I'm not nice to Nazis. | ||
| If you go online and type in Alex Jones, Nazis, all they do is attack me. | ||
| It's a total horse crap. | ||
| So what do you think about him? | ||
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Nazis? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Well, they lost World War II and they're losers. | ||
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No! | |
| And the KKK and groups like that are a joke. | ||
| But it's like, what do you think of child molesters? | ||
| Do you think they still exist? | ||
| Let me ask you. | ||
| What do you think of child molesters? | ||
| I think they need to be tracked based on whatever they're doing right now, and they belong in prison. | ||
| Good. | ||
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I agree. | |
| So what do you think of Nazis? | ||
| So is that your opinion as well? | ||
| No, I'm asking you. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I'm asking you. | ||
| What do you do about Nazis? | ||
| What do you do about Nazis? | ||
| I'm asking you the question back. | ||
| Imagine being asked... | ||
| How do you solve a problem by Nazis? | ||
| Yeah, but there's a difference with you because you actually are in this world. | ||
| It's like somebody asked me about an insurance policy I sell that maybe I disagree with. | ||
| But in the world of politics, I'm not. | ||
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I'm asking you. | |
| I challenge you. | ||
| Nazis are losers, man. | ||
| What world am I supporting Nazis? | ||
| It's like, hey, Alex, tell me you don't support communists. | ||
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I'm like, I don't support communists. | |
| I'm an American. | ||
| I love free market. | ||
| I'm not trying to be friends with Nazis. | ||
| There's no group that attacks me more than the Nazis. | ||
| That's why it's a bizarre statement to ask about Nazis, because the average Nazi is a Southern Poverty Law Center ADL operator. | ||
| Okay, that doesn't help. | ||
| So, what we've had is, Alex, when asked about whether or not he supports what the Nazis support, what's the situation with it? | ||
| Dan! | ||
| He will only flip the question to say, what do you think about child molesters? | ||
| Top five reasons not to like Nazis, Dan. | ||
| Go ahead, just off the top of your head. | ||
| Number one, they're Nazis. | ||
| Nazis, that's a bad thing to be. | ||
| That's about all. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean, no, like, of the accomplishments that the Nazis have made. | ||
| What are their top five worst things that they've done? | ||
| I mean, obviously the genocide. | ||
| Right, that one's top there. | ||
| You could use that one first. | ||
| If somebody were to ask you how you feel about Nazis, you could say genocide is bad. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Their, which he actually, Alex, accidentally sort of agrees with the Nazis, his anti-communist stance. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Certainly, that was a big part of their programs was to kill tons of communists. | ||
| Do you know what my first response to why... | ||
| Don't you like Nazis? | ||
| Their insidious influence that existed since the 70 years ago when they lost in World War II and how their legacy still lives on through tons of people who are on the streets and actually are at protests that Alex Jones supports and refuses to in any way say negative things about. | ||
| Hey, you know what I wouldn't say? | ||
| You know what I wouldn't say? | ||
| My biggest problem with the Nazis isn't that they lost. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because it sure seems like his biggest problem with the Nazis is that they didn't win the war. | ||
| Not any of the stuff. | ||
| Why would I talk about Nazis? | ||
| They lost. | ||
| I'm talking about the all right. | ||
| We rebranded. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you have to understand, too, that so many of the people that are in his world are... | ||
| Kind of Nazi adjacent. | ||
| Which we'll get into in a second, because Patrick tries to do this again. | ||
| Tries to refocus and get Alex to actually answer the question, which is a super easy question to answer. | ||
| People say that you're soft on Nazis. | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| They're out there in the streets. | ||
| They're protesting. | ||
| They're using a bunch of different organizations' names. | ||
| They're hiding under different banners. | ||
| And that's fucking bullshit. | ||
| What even is a Nazi? | ||
| I believe in nationalism. | ||
| I believe in the free market. | ||
| But there are people who are using those terms in order to mask their Nazism and their white supremacy. | ||
| And I disavow that entirely. | ||
| And in order to make the argument that I'm making pure and that it is really just about nationalism and free market stuff, I have a responsibility to call this out within our own ranks. | ||
| It's that easy. | ||
| He refuses to do that. | ||
| And anyway, the furthest he'll go in that last clip is say that they're losers and then insinuate that Nazis are SPLC agents. | ||
| That's my biggest issue with the Nazis. | ||
| They lost. | ||
| Seriously, it's like asking me... | ||
| What do you make of these guys that stole pumpkins last week out of this thing on I-45? | ||
| What? | ||
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It's brought up. | |
| It's sometimes brought up with you. | ||
| No, it's brought up. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They call all conservatives. | ||
| But it gets old, man. | ||
| The Nazis? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, but it also gets old on the flip side when every time something happens, you say, you know, Hitler did this back in the days and America's doing the same thing. | ||
| So I'm asking the question because sometimes some people... | ||
| Give me the example. | ||
| You say, I said that America's like Hitler. | ||
| Give me an example where I said that. | ||
| The first five minutes you said that. | ||
| The first five minutes of today you said that. | ||
| What did I say? | ||
| You want me to replay it for you? | ||
| Now, it's tens of thousands of articles a month everywhere lying about me, never showing what I supposedly said, just claiming I said something. | ||
| And I said, this is clearly just like the Nazis did. | ||
| So I'm pro-Hitler, but I'm criticizing Nazi Germany. | ||
| No, you're not pro-Hitler, but you're criticizing them. | ||
| You bring that up. | ||
| Well, no, no. | ||
| I definitely agree. | ||
| I don't think Germany's the ultimate evil in the world, but I think it did a lot of bad stuff. | ||
| And 22 million Germans died. | ||
| First five minutes you brought it up. | ||
| Okay, well, I brought up Germany was bad. | ||
| Sure, you're saying what America is doing is what they're doing. | ||
| But I think I rest my case. | ||
| I know you do. | ||
| So am I a Nazi? | ||
| No. | ||
| I said it's wrong to be a Nazi. | ||
| I rest my case. | ||
| So you don't support what they stand for? | ||
| That's an easy answer. | ||
| National socialism and like... | ||
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No! | |
| Killing people that aren't German? | ||
| Hell yeah, I disagree with that. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| Decry child molestation. | ||
| Do who? | ||
| Tell me you're not for child molestation. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| Tell me you're not a Nazi. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Tell me you're not a KKK member. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| See how dumb it is, though? | ||
| It's dumb! | ||
| When have I... | ||
| This is the craziness of leftists. | ||
| I challenge you to find anywhere that I support loser Nazis. | ||
| Challenge accepted. | ||
| Oh boy! | ||
| So, let's just go through a list of Alex Jones' guests. | ||
| Tommy Robinson is someone that he has on very frequently. | ||
| Tommy Robinson is the founder of the EDL, the England Defense League. | ||
| He also has a lot of connections to... | ||
| Nazi groups in England in his past. | ||
| So there's one, someone who has a very strong white supremacist Nazi history. | ||
| Yeah, but he's not a loser, Dan, so he can't be a Nazi. | ||
| Before he was unmasked as Stephen Yaxley Lennon as being his real name, he existed online without his face being involved because of those neo-Nazi groups that he was a part of originally. | ||
| Now, Alex, it's one of his big allies in Europe. | ||
| So there's one. | ||
| Second, Marine Le Pen, her dad, was the leader. | ||
| Legally a fascist. | ||
| Legal definition of Marine Le Pen is fascist. | ||
| Her dad was part of the European Front, the Nazi lingering group in France. | ||
| He was a part of it. | ||
| So there's two if we just want to go European branch. | ||
| Now, if you want to talk about the guests that Alex has had on, there's a bunch of them who have also been guests on Red Ice Radio, which is a literal Nazi group. | ||
| That does a Nazi podcast out of Europe. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Daryl Hamamoto was recently a guest on Red Ice Radio. | ||
| He is not my favorite crazy anymore. | ||
| He's still my favorite crazy. | ||
| But I just imagine that maybe he was tricked into going on that. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Nazis aren't that clever. | ||
| They're losers. | ||
| Now, if you look into the narratives that Alex perpetuates, there's heavy overlap with the people like Identity Europa, Vanguard, even places like Stormfront. | ||
| There's a ton of overlap in things. | ||
| That those people put into the world and what Alex stands for. | ||
| So if you want to talk about concrete connections, you have those people that are influencers of Alex that are also members of neo-Nazi organizations. | ||
| Now if you want to talk about the narratives, that's there. | ||
| Now if you want to talk about people he has on, like Based Stickman, that are specifically, you know, their existence is only to fight anti-fascists. | ||
| That leads you to ask a question. | ||
| Or if you just want to go with circumstantial evidence, like how you might answer a yes or no question, right? | ||
| So your yes or no question is, do you like Nazis? | ||
| If your answer is, why would I like Nazis? | ||
| The Nazis lost! | ||
| I don't understand why you answered my yes or no question with a question. | ||
| Now take it even another step. | ||
| Do you remember when you asked me that question and I said... | ||
| I don't like them. | ||
| Now take it another step further and... | ||
| Now, let's look into how he uses Nazi propaganda, whether it be things that the Nazis, that already existed before them, but they perpetuated very heavily, ideas that Jews commit blood libel, the idea that they poisoned the well. | ||
| Those sorts of things are very deeply entrenched in Alex's narratives. | ||
| His ideas about the globalists are strongly reinforced by the forgery, anti-Semitic hoax, the protocols of the elders of Zion. | ||
| Things that Adolf Hitler used in parts of his propaganda campaigns. | ||
| Things that American Nazis like Ford used in their anti-Jew propaganda. | ||
| Or some president's dad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who would elect a guy? | ||
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Two of them. | |
| Who would elect a president's dad? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Another thing that we discussed in the Endgame coverage, this idea of Alex's worldview is very contingent on the idea that the Rothschilds, Nathan de Rothschild, with the Battle of Waterloo, had secret information that he used to crash the English market in order to buy a... | ||
| Which is the pattern and the model that Alex uses to talk about these other globalist conquests of countries. | ||
| That is specifically based on a Goebbels film. | ||
| That's based on the Rothschild's share in Waterloo. | ||
| That is a Nazi propaganda film. | ||
| So Alex, when you ask me, you challenge me to bring up the things that make you kind of a Nazi. | ||
| There is my answer. | ||
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And then, of course, there's all the things you believe. | |
| The Nazi things. | ||
| I think I dealt with that with his narratives and stuff like that. | ||
| This is pathetic. | ||
| It's fascinating to me because... | ||
| Because you have that, like, four minutes of him refusing to answer the question about the Nazi stuff, and then at the end saying, I challenge you. | ||
| To which the answer is just, like, no, I don't like Nazis. | ||
| Like, that's the thing about... | ||
| The answer is, do you know about Alex Jones? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you do... | ||
| Then you can answer that question. | ||
| But unfortunately, so many people don't know. | ||
| Well, but that's the thing. | ||
| If we had this interview with a Tucker Carlson or a Sean Hannity, they would both have the answer ready so they wouldn't be caught doing this bullshit of like, I mean, Nazis are losers. | ||
| It's not that they have a good idea. | ||
| Even if you're unprepared, it's so easy. | ||
| I know, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's so indicative of how much Alex... | ||
| Does believe in all of this shit. | ||
| That he can't even stick to the, like... | ||
| And how shook he is by him not going, the interviewer not going along with him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That he has to, like, uh, what do you think about pedophiles? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, I wonder if they... | ||
| Isn't this so old? | ||
| If this dude interviewed Sean Hannity, would we find out Sean Hannity's actual Nazi beliefs? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| What kind of con man interviewer do we need to get Sean Hannity to be like, oh yeah, by the way, I love Nazis? | ||
| I think you could just listen to him. | ||
| You could find that out. | ||
| But I think that if you watch the interview that he did, this guy, Patrick Bette Davis, David, I always want to say Davis. | ||
| It rolls off the tongue. | ||
| Patrick Bette David did with Ben Shapiro. | ||
| You'll see him not push back this hard. | ||
| He's doing this specifically to Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because Alex has a lot of holes, but then also he's asking the second, not third question, which in this instance, during this exchange about Nazi stuff, had the third question been asked, Alex would have no answer for it. | ||
| It would have been done. | ||
| It would have been a disaster. | ||
| It would have been a fire. | ||
| So they get off this topic, and Alex makes probably the lamest claim I've ever heard him make. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's not about me making it. | ||
| But you said, I'm playing at the big boy level. | ||
| If you're going to play at the big boy level, the big boy level is Machiavelli. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| You think Jesus played at the Machiavelli level? | ||
| I don't know if I'm saying Jesus is big boy level. | ||
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I'm not talking big boy level. | |
| I'm saying there's a level above that just being straight up. | ||
| So you think that's the level you're playing, enlightenment level? | ||
| It's the next level. | ||
| The next level is just... | ||
| You're putting yourself at the enlightenment level, is what you're saying. | ||
| I really want prosperity and a future. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I'm against globalism. | ||
| And I don't want to sexualize children. | ||
| And I am next level. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You keep asking why they fear me. | ||
| The answer is right there. | ||
| Because I can't be bought. | ||
| I'm not under their control. | ||
| I love God. | ||
| You can't be bought? | ||
| What do you mean you can't be bought? | ||
| Cannot be bought. | ||
| What does that mean you can't be bought, though? | ||
| There is no price. | ||
| Already sold. | ||
| You sell products on a weekly basis, though. | ||
| That's to fund me. | ||
| But I wouldn't sell poison to people to get ahead. | ||
| I sell things in t-shirts and books to fund myself. | ||
| But that's people buying because they believe what I'm doing. | ||
| I'm not compromising. | ||
| Go a little deeper with this. | ||
| What do you mean I'm not compromising? | ||
| You're selling. | ||
| You're making money. | ||
| You can't be bought. | ||
| What can be bought? | ||
| But selling things is only fuel to carry out my operation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Selling things is fuel to carry out my operation. | ||
| But you can't be bought. | ||
| Yeah, like in the hierarchy it needs. | ||
| Money is not the tip of my pyramid. | ||
| Doing good for humanity and winning is where I want to go. | ||
| And so I'll sell t-shirts, books, videos, water filtration, air filtration at infoworkstore.com to fund myself. | ||
| But my God is not that money. | ||
| You certainly understand that. | ||
| In the past, Alex has advertised for the Israeli Ministry of Tourism while he was saying negative things about Israel on air back in 2009. | ||
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Can't be bought. | |
| He ran ads for the Most High Family Ministry, a literal cult. | ||
| Can't be bought. | ||
| This is such nonsense. | ||
| He's just selling things. | ||
| He can't be bought. | ||
| And right now he knows that he's about to unveil on air that he's a multi-level marketing guy. | ||
| You can't buy me, but I will sell your stuff. | ||
| I can't be bought. | ||
| I won't sell poison to my audience, but I will sell them a system that will get them deeply in debt. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that's fun. | ||
| I'll sell them a cult. | ||
| But you see there is exactly why it's pointless to interview Alex. | ||
| He pushed back exactly how he should have. | ||
| You can't be bought. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Money's not my god. | ||
| I love truth. | ||
| That's as deep as you're going to go with him. | ||
| He's not going to take you to another level. | ||
| And it's crazy because he is fucking drunk as shit here. | ||
| Even in that state, he's not going to allow that penetration. | ||
| He's going to say things that are super revealing, like that Nazi exchange. | ||
| But he's not going to let you understand, I love money. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because even as fucked up as he is, he knows the cameras are on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, now, Jordan, you come to the game. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| So, here's the game. | ||
| At the end of this interview, I didn't see this coming at all. | ||
| This is the awesomest thing that an interview could ever do. | ||
| I will give Patrick Davis, David, all the credit in the world for this. | ||
| I'm going to give you a word, a name, and you tell me the first thing that comes to your mind. | ||
| Or a little bit longer than the first thing that comes to your mind. | ||
| Let's see what you're going to say. | ||
| Your brain is a fast brain, so let's see what you're going to say. | ||
| First one. | ||
| Jordan, here's how the game is going to go. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'll tell you in advance, these are not words, these are people's names. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, he's going to say people's names, and then Alex is going to say the first word that comes to his mind. | ||
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| I will play the person's name, then I'm going to pause it, and you have to guess what is Alex's response. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here's the first one. | ||
| Edward Snowden. | ||
| What do you think he's going to say? | ||
| I'm going to go with Traitor. | ||
| Patriot. | ||
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| Oh, man. | ||
| Way wrong on that one. | ||
| Okay, so keep track of your score. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| Zero and one. | ||
| Minus one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, here's the next one. | ||
| Ted Cruz. | ||
| Ooh, interesting. | ||
| Patriot again. | ||
| Patriot. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| One to one. | ||
| All right, back at zero. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Here's the next one. | ||
| Julian Assange. | ||
|
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Ooh. | |
| Oh, Super Patriot. | ||
| Patriot. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| Did you get a half point for that? | ||
| You said Super Patriot. | ||
| Ah, come on! | ||
| I'll give it to you. | ||
| No, no, I don't want it. | ||
| You got one. | ||
| Don't give me your pity. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| Your pity, Patriots. | ||
| Bernie Sanders. | ||
| Ooh, I'm going to go with traitor on this one. | ||
| Vampire. | ||
| Vampire! | ||
| No! | ||
| Oh, goddammit! | ||
|
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So close. | |
| So close. | ||
| I'm back at 0-1. | ||
| Putin. | ||
|
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Ooh. | |
| Oh, uh... | ||
| God, I don't... | ||
| You should be able to answer this. | ||
| I don't want it to come back to Patriot, though. | ||
| It doesn't make sense for him to say Patriot. | ||
| No, it probably doesn't. | ||
| But the word... | ||
| I will say, I don't want to influence you, but the word he does choose from all of our understanding of his feelings about Putin, you should be able to guess this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It might not be the first thing that comes to your mind, but when you hear it, you'll be like, nah, all right. | ||
| Okay, God King. | ||
| Nationals. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's a good one. | ||
| But that's still so... | ||
|
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All right. | |
| That's so positive. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| So now we take a break from the game because... | ||
| Negative one. | ||
| This next one, there's no way for me to pause it when he says the name. | ||
| So you just have to hear this one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Beto. | ||
| Beto is the one that's going against Ted Cruz. | ||
| Mental retard. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
|
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Ooh. | |
| Ouch. | ||
| I would definitely have gotten a minus one on that one anyway. | ||
| I don't think that was where I was going to guess. | ||
| Yeah, maybe traitor. | ||
| I'm just going to go with... | ||
| That wasn't my first guess on what might have been said. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Even, like, all the legitimate complaints he could maybe have with Beto, that indicates your brain not operating on a really high level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's the next one. | ||
| Bill Gates. | ||
|
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Ooh. | |
| You might be able to get this one, too. | ||
| Oh, Globalist. | ||
| Eugenicist. | ||
| Goddammit! | ||
| What? | ||
| So close. | ||
| Eugenicist? | ||
| Part of the globalist plan, but perhaps not. | ||
| Alright, fine. | ||
| Goddammit, I'm like 0 and 4 now. | ||
| What are you, negative 4? | ||
| I'm negative 4. Ooh, no. | ||
| Maybe you'll be able to get this next one. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Elon Musk. | ||
| Ooh, Elon Musk. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Eugenicist. | ||
| A scared man. | ||
| A scared man? | ||
| A scared man! | ||
|
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Actually, I'm going to be honest, that's his best answer so far. | |
| Clearly, I think he might be right on this one. | ||
|
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It's as close to an analysis as we've gotten. | |
| Elon Musk. | ||
| Self-destructive. | ||
| Seems shook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright, here's the next one. | ||
| LeBron James. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Is it bad if I... | ||
| Best guess is just the N-word. | ||
| I don't think he's that drunk. | ||
| But it's not much... | ||
| Because it sure seems like that's where we're going. | ||
| It's not much better. | ||
| Retard. | ||
| You understand, though, this sort of thing, that's code. | ||
| That's such code. | ||
| And also, by the way, we didn't mention it back then, but when you said Bernie Sanders, vampire, that's also good. | ||
| Yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| So there's some insights. | ||
| This is so interesting because Patrick David accidentally is doing a real good psychoanalysis of Alex here. | ||
| And Alex, by his response, like, that's racism. | ||
| You're just being racist. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And uh-oh. | ||
| Oh no, don't say Colin Kaepernick. | ||
| Colin Kaepernick. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I quit this game. | ||
| I'm going to retire with the worst record in history. | ||
| I quit this game. | ||
| You don't get to quit. | ||
| You keep playing. | ||
| There's a bunch left. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to go with traitor. | ||
| I'm going to say that he goes the patriotic route and he says he's a traitor. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| I knew he was going to say it again! | ||
| I knew it! | ||
| I knew he was going to say it again! | ||
| I knew he was going to say it again! | ||
| I didn't want to say it, Dan! | ||
| Two black guys who Alex politically disagrees with are both retards. | ||
| Shockingly, no one else labeled retards. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the people before this? | ||
| Oh, I guess Beto. | ||
| Right, which... | ||
| But also, one of the reasons that Beto is most relevant to Alex is that he is someone who is standing up and saying that the police are killing black people, and that is unacceptable. | ||
| So it makes sense that Alex would compartmentalize Beto into the part of his brain that deals with, I am racist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, here's the next one. | ||
| You might be able to get this one. | ||
| Steve Bannon. | ||
|
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Ooh. | |
| Patriot. | ||
| Traitor. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Traitor. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Traitor! | ||
| Oh, so because Steve Vanim personally was traitorous to Alex. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| And to Trump. | ||
| I think you've stopped keeping score. | ||
| Yeah, I'm at negative six. | ||
| All right, here's the next one. | ||
| David Brock. | ||
| David Brock, owner and runner of Media Matters. | ||
| All right, so I'm not going to go with... | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| What did he... | ||
| Oh, vampire. | ||
| I'm going to go with vampire. | ||
| Vampire. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| No! | ||
| Beer, beer, beer, beer! | ||
| No! | ||
| Negative five, baby! | ||
| I wish I had an air horn. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
| You dunked that one, man. | ||
| I'm so proud of myself for that one. | ||
| All right, here's the next one. | ||
| Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to go with Arch Vampire or something like that. | ||
| Like a level above where David Brock is. | ||
| You see what I'm saying? | ||
| Like Serana's dad in Skyrim. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Okay, interesting. | ||
| Vampire. | ||
| Oh, just a vampire? | ||
| Come on, you're not going to differentiate between David Brock and Hillary Clinton? | ||
| I feel like there's room there. | ||
| Both vampires. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I could give you half credit for that. | ||
| I'm going to give a half point. | ||
| You already rejected that earlier. | ||
| Yeah, but this one counts. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| Negative four and a half. | ||
| Barack Obama. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You can't just say vampire for a third time in a row. | ||
| I really don't want him to say the R word. | ||
| Oh, that would be too tough. | ||
| That would be a little bit too much. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm just going to stick with the vampire. | ||
| Let's go with the vampire. | ||
| Vampire. | ||
| No! | ||
| Negative three and a half, baby! | ||
| Jordan is making a comeback! | ||
|
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I'm doing it! | |
| I'm doing it! | ||
| They said it couldn't be done. | ||
| I'm going to get to zero by the end of this. | ||
| I'm going to tell you right now, there aren't enough people to get you back to zero. | ||
| You are going to have a negative score. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But you could make this respectable. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here's the next one. | ||
|
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Bush. | |
| Ooh, he doesn't specify which bush. | ||
| But I would assume it's W. Yeah. | ||
|
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Ooh. | |
| I've narrowed it down to Vampire Trader. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Now, let me give you my thoughts on this. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Talk me through it. | ||
| Like I'm Regis Philbin. | ||
| Like we're doing Regis Philbin. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, it could be traitor, because he doesn't want to say vampire, because the Bush isn't, like, part of the globalists. | ||
| Yeah, he does think that. | ||
| He does think that, but they're not, like, the same part of the globalists. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Like, there are multiple sects of globalists, right? | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| He believes they're all together. | ||
| The Bush and the Clintons are there. | ||
| He thinks they're the same thing. | ||
| They might as well be the same family to him. | ||
| So don't let that call you. | ||
| So now I'm leaning back towards vampire. | ||
| Because, now, the reason that I was going to go with vampire in the first place was just because I feel like at this point... | ||
| He is lazy and knows two to three words maximum. | ||
| So I'm just going to go with vampire again. | ||
| Vampire again. | ||
| Final answer. | ||
| Vampire's final answer, Dan. | ||
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Vampire. | |
| Yeah! | ||
| All right! | ||
| Negative two and a half. | ||
| Come on, baby! | ||
| Doesn't it feel good? | ||
| It does feel good. | ||
| This is my favorite thing we've ever done. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So here's the last one, which is why you can't get back to even. | ||
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Trump. | |
| Ooh. | ||
| See, now this is again, he's, the obvious answer is like patriot, but now I want it to be like, he's got to step it up a bit. | ||
| Van Helsing. | ||
| Like super patriot, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm just going to go with, I'm going to go with. | ||
| I want to stop you before you say your answer. | ||
| Okay, is there any way I'm going to guess this? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not a chance. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to go with baby daddy. | ||
| Okay, interesting. | ||
| When he said what he says, I got, like, shivers. | ||
| Like, I got, like, oh, Alex, you're crazy. | ||
| Next level. | ||
| Did you say next level? | ||
| Next level. | ||
| Moses. | ||
| Trump is Moses. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Elaborate. | ||
| What do you mean by Trump is Moses? | ||
| He's the real freaking deal. | ||
| My gut knows it, and it's all clear. | ||
| He's pro-human. | ||
| He wants progress. | ||
| He is one of just, he's our head of everything. | ||
| He's dialed in to the real deal. | ||
| I guess they call that the deliverer. | ||
| Trump's the deliverer if we take it. | ||
| We've already seen it. | ||
| We've already seen everything suppressing us. | ||
| And then as soon as he comes in, grass and flowers and power. | ||
| Everything's waiting right now. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Trump is Moses. | ||
| Which kind of leads you to believe that the promised land that you feel that you're being led towards out of Egypt is a white ethnostate. | ||
| Because the things that have been happening, you're saying that Trump gets in and then, pew, grass, and... | ||
| There's only one way to view that. | ||
| If you are a Trump follower, and your idea is that he has brought grass back, there's only one thing. | ||
| That he is made far more popular than it ever was before him. | ||
| White supremacy. | ||
| And that's white fucking supremacy. | ||
| That bums me out. | ||
| It's fucked up that Patrick accidentally revealed this and doesn't realize what he's revealing. | ||
| Yeah, he just revealed a very... | ||
| And then the Trump is Moses. | ||
| The fact that Alex's brain goes there is so sacrilegious. | ||
| And then also, it doesn't... | ||
| It does a disservice to this interview that he doesn't, like, demand Alex specifically, like, what do you mean by hold his feet down? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Be like, that is really crazy that you're saying that. | ||
| He's the deliverer. | ||
| He's going to lead us from what into what, Alex? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Alex, from what? | ||
| Into what? | ||
| Now, when he says that Trump is next level, and then Patrick is like, what do you mean by that? | ||
| I need to make clear that all of these other ones, there was no explanation for any of them. | ||
| I didn't just cut it off after he said vampire or something like that. | ||
| That was the only one that he's like, what do you mean? | ||
| That's not good. | ||
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I don't like being alive now. | |
| That game was really fun until it wasn't. | ||
| That game was really fun until it was the worst thing that's ever happened. | ||
| So you got one more clip, and this is how Alex ends the interview. | ||
| The only thing that happens after this is Patrick Bat-David says, A, we've talked to him, you guys get to make your own decision, and throws it out to the end. | ||
| This is Alex's last words. | ||
| You have to believe in humanity, and if you just do that, everything else follows. | ||
| So that's it, and that's why they don't like me. | ||
| If you ask that question over and over again, it's because I don't fear them. | ||
| I've already been around. | ||
| This is like Norman Mailer in the 70s. | ||
| I've already seen where it goes. | ||
| This is a bummer. | ||
| And that's scary because they've not been there. | ||
| But they will be there soon enough. | ||
| They're going to meet their maker. | ||
| And they're going to face God eye to eye with pure consciousness. | ||
| And they're going to have to decide who they serve. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| You have just revealed yourself to be a Nazi, apologist, very racist, religious zealot. | ||
| Why are you surprised that platforms don't want you on when we've already established that you exaggerate stuff and sensationalize things and you very clearly, as Patrick says, you are dangerous to naive minds. | ||
| So... | ||
| He's dangerous to his own fucking mind. | ||
| Yeah, and that's why I have that sort of little piece of my brain that thinks that he's going to hurt himself. | ||
| He needs help. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He absolutely needs help. | ||
| Yeah, and that's why it's really hard, and I don't want to be in the present all that much, because in the same way that I resist talking about Project Camelot episodes where someone is clearly, like, just manifesting... | ||
| Like, this is... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You need to go... | ||
| You need to be hospitalized. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we're getting to a point with Alex in 2018 where it's like, this isn't fun anymore. | ||
| This is a crisis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the fact that no one is helping him is like a disaster. | ||
| The idea that Patrick David allowed this out is kind of like, I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| You want more clicks. | ||
| But it's an irresponsible thing in terms of Alex's mental health. | ||
| This is a disservice to him. | ||
| The fact that his dad is his HR head and doesn't tell him, I need to lock you up. | ||
| You need to go to a hospital for a weekend or something like that. | ||
| The fact that Owen Schroer works for him and doesn't say, you need help. | ||
| The fact that David Knight has been there for this long and has seen this deterioration and isn't like, you need help. | ||
| The fact that Roger Stone isn't saying, You need help. | ||
| Means that no one around him is recognizing these very clear signs that he is becoming a danger to his own self. | ||
| And to his children. | ||
| Or they're recognizing it and realizing that it's the best thing that can happen for them. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Like, what could be better for Roger Stone than for Alex to fucking kill himself? | ||
| To flame out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe for Roger. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| But these other people, no. | ||
| I bet his dad would probably do. | ||
| His dad is his dad. | ||
| His dad doesn't love him. | ||
| I don't know if that's fair. | ||
| That's so unfair. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm just making it. | ||
| These people who are actually around him have a responsibility to take care of him in some way. | ||
| And I know that that's like, every man is their own island and you're an adult. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| But no, he's manifesting signs of, like, this is a breakdown. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This interview is, like, as hilarious as it is at points. | ||
| Like, it's a clear indication of a deteriorating mental state. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| And to allow someone to continue down this road is... | ||
| Like, when Britney Spears shaved her head, people sent her to a hospital. | ||
| Because there were people around her who cared. | ||
| Well, that it took that long suggested the same thing, is that so many people around her are also invested in exploiting her, and her flame-out is, of course, going to be certainly financially, but you've got to hit to a certain point. | ||
| It got to a public point where it was undeniable that these self-destructive tendencies are going to hurt the person we care about. | ||
| And anyone around Alex Jones, I beg of them. | ||
| Do what you need to do. | ||
| Because the next couple months after this don't look good. | ||
| Especially now, I mean, we don't even know, as we're recording this, what the aftermath of PayPal going away is. | ||
| We don't have any idea. | ||
| The idea that this is where he was before he introduced the MLM scheme. | ||
| Before he's kicked off this payment processor. | ||
| Like, the fact that this is where he was, it leads me to believe that as more shit happens, it's gonna get worse. | ||
| You have a responsibility. | ||
| He has four kids. | ||
| One of them is under two years of age. | ||
| This is not okay on a human level. | ||
| I hate to be preachy, but these people are doing a disservice to the world and to other people. | ||
| And I'm disgusted by it. | ||
| How do you broach that subject when you believe that... | ||
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You don't. | |
| You don't. | ||
| You 5150 him. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| I mean, like, even for themselves. | ||
| Like, if you are Owen Troyer... | ||
| You can watch that and say, well, he's just defending what I believe in. | ||
| Read Game of Thrones. | ||
| Be Jaime Lannister. | ||
| Be the Kingslayer. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Be whatever you need to be. | ||
| Well, if that had happened, somebody would have murdered Mitch McConnell 20 years ago. | ||
| But I'm saying create a heroic mythology around it if you need to. | ||
| Owen Schroer is the young gun. | ||
| Let's say that he can create some sort of idea in his mind that I'm pure in this, but Alex is going crazy. | ||
| He's the mad king. | ||
| He's lost his way, and he's a danger to people around him. | ||
| I will do what I need to do as much as it pains me to do. | ||
| To make things okay. | ||
| Yeah, but what do they see in that interview? | ||
| Like, what do they see in that interview? | ||
| Like, we see what's obvious. | ||
| No, I mean, I think even if you take the content out of it, the presentation, the clear affect, the way that he's like, I'm ready to die, I don't care. | ||
| You put your family on the line when you need to. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| If I heard... | ||
| Let's say someone who I philosophically am mostly in line with. | ||
| Let's say a Sam Seder or a Michael Brooks. | ||
| If I saw an interview like this with them, and they were talking about socialism, or they were talking about diversity and equality, and they were presenting themselves like that, I would say, get them to a fucking hospital. | ||
| They aren't okay. | ||
| They're going to hurt themselves. | ||
| Whether it's through an accident or their own hand. | ||
| It's not okay. | ||
| And so what I would like to say at the summation of all of this is that we have all the evidence that we need that Alex Jones in 2018 is going down the deepest, darkest path that is available to him. | ||
| Yeah, I think the Goldwater rule is thrown out the window after this interview. | ||
| We're not psychiatrists. | ||
| We don't give a shit. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| We don't have any professional responsibility. | ||
| We're people who need psychiatrists, which gives us a unique perspective into somebody who needs a psychiatrist. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| And it would be irresponsible for us to say specifically what the problem is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But it's not responsible to say there is a fucking problem. | ||
| I will say specifically what the problem is. | ||
| It is big. | ||
| And booze. | ||
| There is a big problem. | ||
| Booze is a big fucking part of it. | ||
| Now, I don't pray for a redemption arc. | ||
| Oh, no, there's no redemption arc. | ||
| I'm out on that. | ||
| The only thing I hold out hope for is Alex Jones getting the help he needs and disappearing so he can be there for his family. | ||
| Because that's really the only thing that matters to us. | ||
| And it doesn't matter to us in a real way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The reason that it matters is that they're innocent. | ||
| They don't deserve this. | ||
| And they don't deserve whatever is going to happen next in Alex's bizarre, I'm gonna blow up and kill the New World Order narrative. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| The next step is dangerous. | ||
| Because when he got kicked off of stuff, his immediate response was, I'm gonna go fuck with people in the streets. | ||
| I'm gonna go to Washington, D.C. So, like, when it gets even worse, you don't think he's gonna escalate more? | ||
| Yeah, but, you know, think about that two-year-old, right? | ||
| When I was... | ||
| That young. | ||
| My family was in a cult, you know? | ||
| Think about how much better a comedian that kid will be because they're... | ||
| They were born in a family with the cult leader. | ||
| I've seen Rex. | ||
| He doesn't have much chops. | ||
| He's not very funny. | ||
| I'm talking about the two-year-old. | ||
| You've got to get it young. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe we're going a little overboard in terms of concern trolling or whatever. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| I'm coming from a sincere place. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But it does come off a little bit, I think. | ||
| It's possible for someone to see this as me being grandstanding and being like, hey, he's a danger to other... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, imagine if all of the coverage of, like, Right Wing Watch and Media Matters wasn't like, Alex Jones cries and gets angry and was more like, Alex Jones reveals again why he needs psychiatric help. | ||
| Like, if we all just... | ||
| If we all just let all of our other stuff go, like, we've already proved you're a fucking racist. | ||
| Leave that one alone. | ||
| Now we need to get everybody on board with you going and seeing somebody once at least a week. | ||
| Well, it comes down to me. | ||
| Maybe three times a week. | ||
| And a group. | ||
| I always liked battle rap and dissing when I was younger. | ||
| You know, like, I'd listen to, like, the Scribble Jam tapes that I'd find and stuff like that. | ||
| And I always thought that, like, disses were kind of like when they're... | ||
| Well laid out and they rhymed and they were personal. | ||
| They're always really interesting. | ||
| There's a lot of examples. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| But I always thought that the most potent diss track I ever heard was M.F. Grimm's The Book of Daniel, where he wrote this about M.F. Doom and how M.F. Doom had lost his way. | ||
| So this is a track that he had made after he had gotten out of prison. | ||
| And he made it with the Monster Island Czars that were their old crew back when they were coming up. | ||
| And the entire diss track isn't like, you suck. | ||
| It's all, I love you. | ||
| Why did you do this to us? | ||
| In one of MF Doom's songs, he talks about how he was a part of a group called Midgets Into Crunk, making fun of MIC, the Monster Island Czars. | ||
| He's like, how could you ever diss us? | ||
| We loved you. | ||
| And the whole song is just a laying out of their history about how I bought you groceries when we were struggling. | ||
| I would take a bullet for you. | ||
| Why did you do this? | ||
| Why would you ever... | ||
| And the end of the song is, like, come home. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I love you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Prodigal son. | ||
| And I always think that that is much more deeply potent as, like, a diss than just, like, you suck, fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And to me, that is, that's the spirit I want to come to Alex Jones in. | ||
| Not that I love you, but you need help. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| Come home, Alex. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| Anyway, we have a website. | ||
| I was going to say, that's the only way to wrap up this show. | ||
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Twitter! | |
| Knowledgefight.com, knowledge underscore fight on Twitter. | ||
| Facebook! | ||
| We are on there. | ||
| We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| You should go home and tell your mother you're brilliant, or you can join the group. | ||
| I'm so thrilled with the growth that we've seen, both in downloads and in support and in members, to Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| It's a very exciting time for us to be doing this, and I really appreciate everyone's support. | ||
| We're also on iTunes. | ||
| You can subscribe. | ||
| You can leave a review. | ||
| All that good stuff. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| But, Dan? | ||
| Before we go... | ||
| It's hard to be sympathetic for Alex. | ||
| Because there's one piece of information that you do need to know. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Alex did technically kill a guy. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |