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Sept. 14, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#205: September 13, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on what Alex Jones is up to in the present day and find both very expected and very surprising things. On the very expected side, Alex gets super bigoted, then spends a disproportionate amount of his show talking about how he should be more cocky about how good his body is. On the more surprising end, Alex Jones announces that he just sold out his audience to what is embarrassingly probably the highest bidder.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
18:22
d
dan friesen
01:12:04
j
jordan holmes
34:21
Appearances
c
conrad padilla
03:42
o
owen shroyer
01:15
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about that boy, Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
When was the last time you played Pokemon?
dan friesen
Last time?
Oh, boy.
I'll tell you what.
Never.
jordan holmes
Never?
unidentified
You didn't even play the original Game Boy Red or Blue?
No, sir.
jordan holmes
No, never.
dan friesen
Nope.
Never really had a Game Boy to speak of.
I know this is now becoming the theme for the openings is video game talk.
jordan holmes
This is two times in a row.
It's not that bad.
dan friesen
But it's a trend.
Two times is a trend.
jordan holmes
Two times is not a trend!
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Coincidence.
jordan holmes
It's not even a pattern.
dan friesen
Coincidence or trend.
jordan holmes
It requires three to be a trend.
dan friesen
Never played Pokemon.
Wasn't super interested in it.
Thought it was for nerds.
I thought about getting into Pokemon Go for one second when it came out, and I said, nah, it's not for me.
jordan holmes
Dude.
dan friesen
I'd rather read on the bus or something like that.
jordan holmes
So for me.
It's so much for me.
I love Pokemon Go.
dan friesen
That's fine.
jordan holmes
I'm level 35, Dan.
I don't even know how many more I can be.
dan friesen
How many have you caught?
jordan holmes
Too many.
dan friesen
All of them?
jordan holmes
Too many.
dan friesen
Because you have to catch them all.
jordan holmes
I have not caught a Mewtwo.
dan friesen
Okay.
What about a Charmander?
jordan holmes
Oh, hell yeah.
I started with a Charmander, Dan.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Charmander's been my opening Pokemon since fucking Red in 1990.
dan friesen
I didn't mean to set you off.
I only know about three Pokemon.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
I know.
I'm just kidding.
dan friesen
What about a Bulbasaur?
That's the other one I know.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Anyway, guys, this is a podcast where Jordan knows a lot about Pokemon, and I don't know anything about Pokemon, except for Charizard and Bulbasaur.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
Also, I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That is correct.
Before we get into today's episode, which I teased to Jordan before we started, that it's...
Probably one of my favorite episodes of Alex's show that I've ever heard.
jordan holmes
It's a big ask to believe that after how many episodes have you listened to and then collectively we listened to?
dan friesen
I mean, we're over 200 episodes of our show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And some of those represent like four episodes of Alex's show.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
I would say I'm over a thousand episodes probably of listening to his show.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I believe you.
I would absolutely say that.
dan friesen
Because of all the ones I've listened to we haven't talked about.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Like, you've got to consider.
jordan holmes
All the times that you've listened to three episodes.
dan friesen
Maybe 7-800.
You think so?
That's a conservative safe estimate, probably.
And you've got to consider the ones that I listened to before we ever started this show.
jordan holmes
Well, that does count.
dan friesen
I didn't listen to them a lot before, but I listened to them plenty.
I was aware of him.
I just wasn't paying attention.
I was like, listen to this fucking bitch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, look at this fucking asshole.
dan friesen
Look at this guy.
Look at this guy yell.
jordan holmes
Hey!
He's a clown!
Hooray!
Dance!
Dance, white supremacist clown.
Even the KKK needs clowns, Dan.
dan friesen
That's true.
Send them in!
We will see if this lives up to the expectation that I have set.
I hope it does.
I think it will.
But no matter what, you know, it does live up to our expectations.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Great transitions?
dan friesen
And our listeners who have seen fit to donate to the show.
We appreciate it.
Oh, so very much.
Look, we're working towards things.
jordan holmes
I don't know who you are.
dan friesen
We're working towards things, you know?
And we really appreciate people helping support the content that they like being put out into the world and they enjoy.
That's the business model that we have.
No one is ever probably going to sponsor our show.
And we appreciate it.
And so today I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of new folks who have joined up with the team.
I'd like to say, first of all, thank you so much.
Kneelock, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
I'd also like to say thank you to someone else who's just joined up and decided to support the team.
We thank you so much, Crystal.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Crystal.
dan friesen
Also, finally, before we get down to business, I'd like to say thank you to someone who took their pledge, their existing pledge, and bumped it up a bit.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Mulan, for helping us get down to business.
dan friesen
We appreciate it.
Is this a Mulan reference?
I don't understand.
jordan holmes
Let's get down to business.
dan friesen
Oh, I'd much rather go with Barry Manilow.
Let's get on with it.
Let's get on with it.
jordan holmes
I'm just wondering when will my reflection show who I am inside.
dan friesen
That's copyrighted, man.
jordan holmes
What, quoting?
I didn't sing it.
We're not going to get sued.
dan friesen
You have perfect pitch.
jordan holmes
Did when I was nine.
dan friesen
Someone who I believe has perfect pitch, though I have not heard her sing, is someone who is now a globalist.
Thank you so much, Shannon.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, someone, Sotomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Shannon.
dan friesen
If you out there want to support the show, we would appreciate it very much.
If you feel the stirring in your loins, go for it.
I don't know.
alex jones
I don't know what that means at all.
dan friesen
There's a button on our website, knowledgefight.com, up at the top that says support the show.
Just click it.
Join up.
unidentified
We appreciate it.
jordan holmes
And if you have an advanced copy of the live-action Mulan, even if it's an unedited version, I will watch the shit out of that.
I'll do it.
dan friesen
I know you will.
unidentified
I absolutely will.
dan friesen
This is not an idle threat.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, it is Friday, and so, you know, what we do sometimes on Fridays is we check in what the fuck's going on with Alex in 2018.
Last we checked...
He'd been kicked off everything, pretty much.
Apple to app from the Black Eyed Peas have kicked him off.
alex jones
Oh boy.
dan friesen
This is what happens when I have a little coffee.
jordan holmes
Will, you aren't.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's off the iTunes store.
His app is gone.
He got kicked off of Twitter.
And, you know...
I think the last time we checked in was just after he went to Washington and acted like a dickhole to everybody.
jordan holmes
Right.
When he was a dickhole to everybody.
dan friesen
And so, you know, we kind of assumed this is just going to be a diminishing return situation for him.
He's going to paint himself as a Lenny Bruce-type free speech warrior and whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I felt...
jordan holmes
Slowly lose his mind as his quality declines.
You know, like Lenny Bruce.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
I felt like, you know, the week's ending.
We gotta check back in.
We gotta see what's going on in the world of Alex Jones.
And what I found is, bar none, the best proof that he is fucking done.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He is done.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, I know he's going to keep going, but, like, he is straight...
Horse-fucking himself.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
In the worst way possible.
I like that.
I'm teasing this a little bit too much.
jordan holmes
We're schadenfreiding today is what we're doing.
dan friesen
By the end of...
Well, only because what he's doing is massively unethical.
But like...
I don't mind.
jordan holmes
Only because what he's doing is massively...
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't mind taking pleasure in this level of awful because he's going to hurt other people by doing what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't want to spoil what this is, but by the end of this episode, you guys will understand fully what I'm talking about and you'll laugh too.
jordan holmes
No, this is a lot like if Scott Pruitt was lit on fire right next to me.
I'd be like, hooray, this is hilarious.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You might.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I might.
I don't know.
unidentified
Walk away.
jordan holmes
You'd walk away.
dan friesen
I'd be like, look at the time.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
Somebody should help this guy.
I'm going to get out of here, though.
dan friesen
Someone just tweeted at me.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
unidentified
I've got to download Pokemon Go.
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
There's a Charmander over there.
I'm going to see you later, dude.
dan friesen
I see what you did.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
So now let's see what Alex did in an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
My neck is freakishly large.
dan friesen
Okay.
I don't disagree.
You got a big old neck, baby.
jordan holmes
I like a guy who can look into the mirror and evaluate himself appropriately.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's good.
dan friesen
I will also say, unrelated to why this is one of my favorite episodes, there's a stretch of this show where Alex is trying to work out some body image issues.
And it is fucked up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we're going to start where Alex starts, which, hey, guys, guess what?
Now that Alex isn't having to worry about...
Most of the things he had to worry about before.
Turns out, he takes a real hard trip back into blood libel territory.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
alex jones
The stress level, you can cut with a knife right now.
I could almost not go on air today because of the magnitude and the stress and just how serious things are.
Not for me.
People keep asking how I can handle all these unprecedented attacks.
Only Trump's been attacked more than I. It's now official.
dan friesen
How's it official?
How's it official?
jordan holmes
NASA did a survey of all the attacks on people.
dan friesen
I mean, if Alex wants to use the social media stuff as his big case for it, then he's been attacked more than Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's been attacked almost as much as any woman on Twitter saying things.
dan friesen
He should up his claim here.
Like, I'm attacked more than Trump.
I'm banned.
From stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I mean, why not?
jordan holmes
Well, because Trump is his god king.
unidentified
He can't, you know, he can't over- That would be blasphemy for him.
Exactly.
dan friesen
He has to still put himself in a subservient position.
jordan holmes
Right.
Like a fucking coward.
dan friesen
We haven't gotten to the blood libel yet.
alex jones
Because the globalists are evil and they're taking our country and our world over, it's the only chance we've got.
And I've used this analogy many times.
There have been famous cases where people weren't even good swimmers, but a big ship had dumped over and they had to swim, you know, 50, 100 yards in total darkness to get out and people were able to do it.
Just like those, you know, kids that had never been scuba diving in the mine collapse that happened a few months ago.
They got a crash course in it and they made it out.
It's not courage.
I am desperately trying to not be a slave.
I would not be fighting tooth and nail at my own personal risk if we were just being taken over by some superior capital assistant.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
That's a spoiler for later, but hold on.
jordan holmes
Wait, what did he just say?
dan friesen
He would try and be a part of it.
jordan holmes
What I would do is I would give up on all of my principles and try and be part of the winning team.
dan friesen
I would sell out if we were being taken over by a superior capitalist system.
jordan holmes
It's almost like something happened in 2015 and I did exactly that.
dan friesen
Now he's going to do it again.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
At the end of this episode.
alex jones
I'm all about adopting things.
I'm all about things that are better.
Marrying them.
I mean, that's what you do.
I don't want to be at war with everybody, but the globalists are really nasty, devil-worshipping, blood-drinking pedophiles.
And you know, you see it all over the news.
Oh, children's blood goes for $18,000 a quart.
jordan holmes
You see that all in the news?
alex jones
That's mainstream news this week.
I told you that 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
It's in the medical literature.
I know rich people here in town that told me 10 years ago, I ought to go get children's blood.
jordan holmes
Well, I say that all the time.
alex jones
I know people that do it.
So don't tell me.
I know.
And that's why they hate me because the globalists tune in and they go, this guy has got our number.
dan friesen
Oh yeah.
alex jones
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
$18,000 a quart?
dan friesen
I don't know what the retail or wholesale price is on children's blood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's the MSRP?
dan friesen
I don't know.
But I will tell you what he's talking about is that there's sort of a fad among rich people of like blood transfusions from like youth, younger people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is something that is real.
But it's like people who would go to oxygen bars and shit like that.
It's just some sort of thing that rich people...
The idol rich needs something weird to sort of get the...
jordan holmes
It's just proof that there's no reason that these people are richer than us other than weird sociopathy and a confluence of luck and events.
These are all really stupid people.
dan friesen
Not all of them.
There's as wide a spectrum as there is in any other walk of life.
But if you watch a lot of celebrities with...
What would you call it?
Unshepherded speech.
You listen to some of them talk for long periods of time.
Unfiltered.
Uncurated.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You know, that sort of thing.
They reveal, like, oh, you don't know all that much.
unidentified
Unabridged.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So, like, yeah.
And, you know, when you're rich, some, like, really expensive thing comes along.
They're like, I'm going to fucking do that.
How many rich people do you think own $10,000?
crystals you know like it's got Pruitt it's the same sort of thing like when you're really rich you run out of things to spend your money on that you actually need and you start investigating right in youthful right and like a if you were like a human you might say well I'm never going to be able to spend all of this money I have right so why not instead of buy a dumb bullshit $10,000 I could just give it away.
Now, ironically, then you end up being a globalist in Alex's eyes, like Hamdi Ulukayo, Warren Buffett, the people who have signed the pledge to give away most of their money before they die.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
But then you become a demon, and you're drinking children's blood.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Which is where we get into the blood libel aspect.
That is very, literally, anti-Semitic canards from history.
jordan holmes
Pretty much.
dan friesen
That is an expression, Alex is directly using historical anti-Semitism.
To paint the globalists as demonic pedophiles who drink children's blood.
Which, we don't need to get into it again.
It just bears mentioning, that's overt.
There's no other way to describe that.
Because that's not what they're doing.
No one's drinking blood.
It's transfusions, and it's stupid novelty bullshit for rich people.
jordan holmes
Have you ever drank blood?
dan friesen
Only my own.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's like if you have a cut, you do that?
I don't want to imagine that it would be something that's easy to get through.
dan friesen
No.
No.
jordan holmes
Like, I wouldn't want to take just a glass out of it, you know?
dan friesen
I don't even fucking want tomato soup.
Probably less delicious than tomato soup.
That's my point.
jordan holmes
That's your point?
dan friesen
Yes.
I don't want Clamato.
jordan holmes
What other red liquids do you not want?
dan friesen
Clamato.
jordan holmes
Clamato?
dan friesen
I already said it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Beat you to it.
Cranberry is okay.
Cranberry is okay.
jordan holmes
Beet juice?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Have you ever had beet juice?
dan friesen
That might be the Pokemon of juices.
I may not have caught that one yet.
I don't think I've had beet juice.
jordan holmes
See, now we've got a real sponsorship right there.
unidentified
Beet juice.
jordan holmes
Anybody who sells beet juice.
Hook us up for your new slogan, Beet Juice, the Pokemon of juices.
dan friesen
And imagine the victory of them winning me over.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, just like, I never had Beet Juice.
Oh, my God, this is the best.
jordan holmes
We would never advertise a product that we don't believe in.
Dan, I'm guaranteeing if we get a Beet Juice purveyor, then we got it done.
dan friesen
Right.
So...
This is not Alex's main narrative.
This is just him rambling about bullshit.
But almost immediately after that clip, he does get into what would be his varsity narrative for this episode.
And boy, it's thin.
alex jones
So, the ultra-massiveness straight ahead.
I haven't even told you what it is yet.
jordan holmes
There's a hurricane.
alex jones
It's not getting attention to serves.
It's on Infowars.com.
And it is thousands of armed men in camouflage coming across the U.S. on horseback.
This is an invasion.
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
The British are coming!
They're finally coming, Dan!
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Okay, now, hold on.
Hold on, and I don't mean to poke a hole in this right away, because I'm sure there's more to it.
dan friesen
Are you saying are you going to poke him on a hole?
jordan holmes
All right, we're doing this.
dan friesen
Sorry, too much coffee.
alex jones
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying that maybe if you're riding on horseback...
The camouflage isn't that big of a deal.
dan friesen
Sure.
The horse would have to be camouflaged at that point, too.
jordan holmes
And also a silent horse.
It would have to be a stealth horse.
dan friesen
Or a silver stallion, like the highwaymen sing about.
It's not a mark upon its silky hide.
jordan holmes
If it was silver, you could see even better.
dan friesen
It doesn't have a mark on its silky hide.
jordan holmes
But it reflects moonlight, at least.
dan friesen
Eh, sure.
Look.
We're going to get into what he's talking about, and suffice it to say, just up top, this is a load of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Thousands of...
dan friesen
He's being rushed to break, and that's why he's got to describe it so, like, very dramatically and very shortly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Thousands of men across America with guns on horseback.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
And, look, here's the deal.
jordan holmes
There's no way to deal with a threat of this magnitude, Dan.
dan friesen
I'm laughing about this because it's so stupid, and we'll get into why.
But, like, legitimately, if that's what he's selling to his audience, the only solution is kill all those people.
Right?
I mean, like, because he says this is an invasion.
jordan holmes
If it's an invasion.
dan friesen
If the country is being invaded, all of his rhetoric would lead to the only conclusion being, find these people.
And kill them.
jordan holmes
Now, you don't need to kill them, because, as I imagine is the case...
dan friesen
Alex has screamed over and over again, we will give them no quarter.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean...
dan friesen
So that means kill them.
jordan holmes
But I mean, you don't need to.
It's pretty easy to capture a lot of dudes on horseback, what with the whole modern world we live in.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, I imagine if we had just one battalion go back in time, they could win every war.
Like, by themselves.
dan friesen
With guns, though.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but I mean, throw rocks at them.
dan friesen
It's basically Genghis Khan, but with guns.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Go back into the Old West and shoot at their horse's legs and make them dance.
And then they can't run so fast, and then you catch them.
dan friesen
Put out a strip of road spikes.
Pop the tires on those horses.
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Oh, it threw a shoe!
dan friesen
Can't compete with that.
jordan holmes
Also, are they using roads?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Like, these men on horseback, they're not using roads.
dan friesen
Where they're going, you don't need roads.
unidentified
There you go.
dan friesen
So, look, this is some nonsense.
jordan holmes
This is some bullshit.
dan friesen
I'll get into exactly what he's talking about, I believe, in a couple of clips.
But Alex has got to percolate on this.
He's got to really ruminate about how this is just like the movie The Road Warrior in Mexico.
Because he's talking about people coming across the border.
Spoiler alert.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Even in the movie The Road Warrior, they had cars, though.
It's kind of a big deal in the movie The Road Warrior that they did have cars.
dan friesen
But he's talking spiritually.
jordan holmes
Oh, he isn't describing them as literally coming over on horseback.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
That part is literal.
That part's literal.
jordan holmes
Why is that?
Part the literal part!
dan friesen
Look, okay, fuck it.
I'll get into it.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Let's just move on.
Go to the next clip.
dan friesen
I need to give an explanation of just the broad strokes.
The Daily Caller put out a video that Alex is reporting on that purports to show people crossing the border from Mexico, and there were a couple horses in the video.
That is why Alex is expressing it.
jordan holmes
Thousands are on horseback.
dan friesen
He didn't mention in that clip going out to break that it's people coming across the border.
He's just saying they're coming across America.
jordan holmes
They're coming across America in horseback.
dan friesen
So, I'll explain in greater detail why this is bullshit in a second, but that, I realize that it's only fair that I explain that much.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, back to the road warrior thing.
jordan holmes
Thousands of illegal immigrants are being born after being hid inside of horses and walking across the border.
That's the easiest way to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, like tauntauns.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's where we get to the road warrior metaphor, and it gets bad before it gets better.
alex jones
It is literally road warrior.
Type in cartels building their own war wagons and tanks.
And there is footage that comes out of Mexico.
YouTube takes it down, though, because they don't want you seeing it.
Not that it's even violent.
It is violent, but it's not as graphic as what's on TV.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And it's giant war wagons shooting at each other, attacking, blowing up, running over people.
And you'll see, like, 15 war wagons and 50-cal machine guns and stuff exploding.
And people just running.
jordan holmes
And Charlize Theron is there.
alex jones
Seven incredible narco tanks built by Mexican cartels.
Beyond Mad Max says Business Insider.
See?
jordan holmes
Beyond Mad Max?
alex jones
Exactly what I told you.
It is rogue warrior.
Except it's not a guy named Humongous going, just give us the gas.
We spell your lives.
No, he's not wearing a Jason mask.
It's not a bunch of gay punk rock dudes that are doing a killing.
You know, that's sci-fi fiction.
It is Mexicans with huge satanic tattoos that worship Satan and the Grim Reaper and MS-13 that tortures children to get demonic power.
Imagine a road warrior like that.
dan friesen
That's also pretty blood Bible adjacent, quite frankly, but he's talking about Mexicans.
Still bad.
jordan holmes
That's really bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's real bad.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much the most racist thing you can do.
dan friesen
Ooh, boy.
I mean, it's like he's saying.
It's like Road Warrior, but it's worse because it's Mexican.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And they're demonic Mexicans.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
They're not gay punk rockers.
No.
They're demonic.
Gay punk rockers.
dan friesen
Alex has really lost any kind of credibility when he calls people demonic, so it's just kind of like a fill-in insult epithet here you can use to misalign these Mexicans.
jordan holmes
They do listen to a lot of Morrissey, though.
dan friesen
Right.
Now, it gets worse in this next clip, because he gets back to the Road Warrior thing a little bit later, and he also combines it with another movie reference that is...
alex jones
I've never seen footage this powerful.
It's up on Infowars.com.
We can't tweet it out, but you can.
Heavily armed individuals caught on camera entering country illegally through Arizona Ranch.
And it goes on to say, shows thousands of illegal aliens marching into the United States uninterrupted because there is no border wall, no border patrol to stop them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And they have assault rifles.
And they have horses.
So, it's like Road Warrior meets Planet of the Apes.
Where you got people on horseback.
Wow.
This is insane.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Nice save.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Because they're on horses.
It's like Planet of the Apes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Ooh, Alex.
unidentified
Careful.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
It's like this subspecies of human that survived the apocalypse has been combined with this other subspecies of ape.
And it's not that I'm describing all Mexicans as a subspecies.
dan friesen
Boy, it's easy for me to do that.
jordan holmes
It sure seems like I am, but like multiple subspecies at the same time.
dan friesen
So I found this video.
It's a 25-minute video.
And actually, if you read the Daily Caller article, this is from like...
Clips that this guy has had hidden cameras up at his house since 2016.
So it's over the course of what could be two years and nine months now of footage.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
unidentified
So I watched it.
dan friesen
Alex is saying it's thousands of immigrants.
No, totally, totally.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Equal opportunity.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So I set out to watch this entire video and count literally every person that's in it.
Because I'm like, thousands?
I don't think so.
So I watched it.
I got to the ten minute mark before I saw literally repeated footage.
It's the same footage.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
And also, if you watch it, it's like, you see the same people from different cameras.
Like, it's the same group of people at different points.
Along the way.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
But even assuming that every single person that you see in all of these videos are a unique person, within 10 minutes, I counted 374 people.
So, extrapolate that out, multiply that by two and a half, you got what?
Maybe 800 people?
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably that.
dan friesen
And, like I'm saying, there's repeated people.
It's nonsense.
This is all bullshit.
And some of them do have guns, but the vast majority don't.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Most of them just have big packs on their back.
And like Alex is saying, that's all drugs.
But it's equally likely that it's rations.
It's equally likely that a lot of these people have supplies in order to get through this journey through Central America up to the United States.
There's nothing in these videos that really leads me to believe that, first of all, this is an invading army on horseback.
And second, like I said, there's only like maybe three or four horses in the entire thing.
And no one's riding them!
People are standing next to the horses.
jordan holmes
You can't ride them on your way to the fight.
You've got to fight while riding them so you want to keep them well rested.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
That's just good tactics, Dan.
I've studied Hannibal.
dan friesen
There's incredible exaggeration going on here.
There's incredible unclearness of what the video even is capturing.
It's very irresponsible, the way Alex is presenting this, because, like I said in that first clip, the only reasonable conclusion to come to that Alex is advocating for is, kill these people.
They're an invading army on horseback with heavy weapons.
So this is just white supremacist propaganda that's being put out.
Now, I mean, sure.
jordan holmes
Who edited the...
dan friesen
It's the Daily Caller, which is run by Tucker Carlson, or at least was started by Tucker Carlson.
jordan holmes
No, if I understand...
Sorry, I'm not sure if I caught the whole first part.
It's just some guy's house.
dan friesen
Some rancher.
jordan holmes
He has hidden cameras around.
dan friesen
He's named in the article, but I don't really care who he is.
jordan holmes
So he sends in the raw footage, and they edit it?
Or do you think he edited it himself?
dan friesen
Dude's 76 years old.
jordan holmes
Okay, he definitely did not edit it.
dan friesen
Maybe his son, something like that.
I would assume that Daily Caller did it.
jordan holmes
Right.
So that's why I was a little bit confused, because I was just imagining this dude who has a bunch of hidden cameras who is editing this footage, and that's just a guy who's...
Filled with so much hate that he can't even get past the fact that it's not a big deal.
And his own footage proves it.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he has a 50,000 square acre ranch, I believe.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I believe that was the total given.
Just huge.
jordan holmes
That's massive.
dan friesen
And so if he has cameras around that place, and what he's capturing over the course of almost three years is maybe 800 people assuming that they aren't the same people at different locations.
That's not impressive to me.
unidentified
That's nothing!
dan friesen
That's really weak.
jordan holmes
I'm surprised it's not more!
dan friesen
And some of them do have guns, yes.
But again...
jordan holmes
So does the fucking rancher!
dan friesen
Well, sure.
But like I'm saying, too, is that you don't have proof that these people are illegal undocumented immigrants coming in.
All you have is video of people walking around.
And so if they do have guns, you need to do better to prove...
What you're saying is the reality before I'm going to get mad about a couple of them having guns.
jordan holmes
I would have actually been like...
If he had just said, you know what, I think there might be some people hunting on my land, I'd be like, yeah, fuck yeah, you've got a thing there.
unidentified
But illegal immigrants carrying guns through the...
You've got a larger floor to jump there.
dan friesen
You want to file a complaint about trespassing on your side.
I'm with you.
People shouldn't be on your land.
And then to the other issue, most of them are wearing camouflage, but I don't give a shit about that either.
People who are coming across...
You know, trying to get up to America.
Of course they're going to wear camouflage.
That doesn't prove they're an army or something like that, like Alex is trying to present.
It's all just a load of bullshit.
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
Now, if they were wearing sniper suits and moving very, very slowly, like, if all of this hidden camera footage showed was, like, a whole bunch of hay bales, just slow, like, over the course of two and a half years, they go from one edge of the ranch to the other.
dan friesen
The longest con.
Now, that's perfect.
jordan holmes
I'm on your team.
That's an invading army, is what that is.
dan friesen
That's footage I can get behind and publicize.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I will help you with that.
So that's a load of bullshit, and that's his sort of varsity narrative throughout most of the show, which is disgraceful and really ugly.
But it leads to this next clip where Alex spins a conspiracy about what he thinks is going on with immigration.
And then at the end of this, he makes a very bold, very bold claim.
alex jones
Okay.
unidentified
And the U.N. now stages in Guatemala.
alex jones
and Nicaragua and El Salvador.
Three giant migrant centers for all over the world to give...
Them several thousand dollars apiece, a bag of food and other necessities, clothing, you name it, and then staging zones, and the Mexicans let them go up the railways.
They say don't go into Mexico.
And then they hit the U.S. with the Democratic groups waiting to snatch them up.
To be a client group they control for illegal voting, political activities, and now MS-13's been confirmed to be carrying out assassinations for the Democratic Party.
That's right, MS-13 is now a murder arm of the Democrats.
Bacon lovers, we ship free.
unidentified
A-ha-ha!
A-ha-ha-ha!
A-ha-ha-ha!
dan friesen
Completely forgot that I left in that clip of the commercial.
jordan holmes
The commercial is what makes it perfect.
dan friesen
Jarring juxtaposition.
jordan holmes
MS-13 is now a hired kill group for the Democrats.
alex jones
Bacon lovers unite!
dan friesen
We now ship free.
jordan holmes
First off, UN, I got a guy who can hook you up with some buckets.
You don't need bags no more.
dan friesen
Oh, that's true.
I know that guy, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Very reputable.
jordan holmes
We can get some buckets all over this place.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
Now, to the point of whether or not people are helping immigrants on their way up through Central America or anything like that, I would say that that's a right Christianly thing to do.
The idea that without some sort of...
jordan holmes
What Christianity are you talking about, Dan?
dan friesen
I mean, without some sort of...
It's the same thing.
You're not going to stop people from trying to seek refuge in America.
You're not going to do that.
jordan holmes
No, you're going to stop them.
It's Venezuela's job to make sure that immigrants don't get into America.
That's just true.
dan friesen
But as long as the world operates in the way that it does, you're never going to be able to stop people from trying to save their own lives by.
getting out of bad situations.
They're going to try and come to America.
And if you crack down and you're like, you're evil for giving them water along the way, all you're going to do is make sure that more of them die.
You aren't going to stop the impetus to come to America.
You're not going to solve the problem you want to solve.
You're just going to be cruel to the people who are desperate and fleeing a bad situation.
jordan holmes
That's never happened before.
Everybody knows that when you ban abortion, good things always happen, right?
No babies ever get aborted.
dan friesen
It's a perfect analog.
You get rid of legal abortion, all you do is kill women.
That's all you do.
jordan holmes
And just as Jesus said, the way you treat the least of these is fucking dope and keep on doing it, man.
You remember when Jesus said that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Remember when Jesus said, Bacon lovers.
Jesus ships bacon for free.
jordan holmes
See, now that was a really...
That's why he got crucified.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The Jews could not be having somebody shipping free bacon.
dan friesen
I'm into this conspiracy.
jordan holmes
That is just crazy.
dan friesen
It's better than Alex's version of this stupid...
They just want democratic voters.
But, I mean, that's just...
White nationalist rhetoric.
It's de rigueur for them to just be like, all the Democrats want is people to come vote, and they can't vote, but they still vote, and they vote in dead people's names.
Whites only.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Whites only.
Because for years, Alex has been...
I don't know.
I think that back in the day, maybe I might be a little bit wrong about this, but at my sense from listening to a lot of stuff in 2008-2009, Alex is pretty against racial profiling.
Because at least on some baseline level, he understands that group culpability is not a way to proceed with life.
jordan holmes
You would hope?
dan friesen
No, I believe that to be...
Now, I don't know if he is perfectly consistent in that back then, but I get a strong sense from him that, like, you don't commit a composition fallacy and assume the group is represented by bad examples of individuals.
Unfortunately, in 2018, he is really into racial profiling.
alex jones
Of course.
They haven't stopped one terror attack with all that TSA crud.
Problem solved!
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
Oh, they profile conservatives.
Facebook and all these systems discriminate against us.
You're part of a radical sect of Islam.
You're connected to these groups.
It goes to that database and flags your butt.
You're going to get pulled out and you're going to get questioned.
You're going to get extra screening.
That's what you do.
dan friesen
I don't...
I think that, first of all, I don't trust Alex's assessment of what constitutes a radical Islamic group, so I think that conversation could get awful murky awful quick.
jordan holmes
I think it's a very simple...
dan friesen
I think he'd say, all of them, anybody who appears to be at all of Middle Eastern descent.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
Just like if you were to, I don't know, say that everybody who looks like a member of a radical militant white supremacist group should be profiled, problem solved.
We don't have to deal with radical white...
Supremacist groups anymore, right?
dan friesen
Well, you're using his logic to prove that it's stupid.
jordan holmes
Ah, yes I am, Dan.
dan friesen
And this is stupid.
This is very disgraceful.
I mean, I'm going to use that word a lot today, but, like, that's so terrible.
Even for Alex.
jordan holmes
It's bad.
dan friesen
It's embarrassing for Alex, too, because, I mean, he's not, but there was a time he was better than that, I think.
And to hear him advocate for out and out...
Racial profiling because he's afraid of Muslims is just pathetic.
For someone who wants to act like he has principles and he's standing up for America and what it stands for and all this, to hear this kind of drivel come out of his mouth is just like, just go home, man.
You're done.
jordan holmes
Go to bed.
unidentified
Go to bed.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're out of the game, man.
You're like an old dude yelling about music today.
That's what you're doing.
You have outlived your usefulness even to your world.
And that's bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's rough.
dan friesen
That's bad, because people, these old assholes like Jerome Corsi are still useful.
You know what I'm saying?
It's nuts.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
For Mueller.
dan friesen
Yeah, certainly useful for that.
Anyway, look.
jordan holmes
I suppose he does have one point.
dan friesen
Careful.
jordan holmes
Which is that the easy way to keep immigrants from escaping their terrible situations to come to America...
It's to turn America into a shithole they don't want to come to.
And it seems like they're doing a pretty great job of that right now.
dan friesen
Sure, or just say none of them.
Just make it illegal to be different.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does seem like it.
dan friesen
Different in heavy quotes.
jordan holmes
That seems like that's their goal.
Nobody hates America more than people who call themselves patriots.
dan friesen
So I might be a little bit wrong in terms of...
Giving Alex this sort of pass or credibility for his past self of being against racial profiling.
But this next clip is absolutely anathema to what he would have ever believed in mere years ago.
alex jones
In fact, I'll say it.
Apprehensions of illegals are up 240%.
According to ICE, it isn't enough.
Trump is in dereliction of duty.
Two years in, he's not enough.
I want, and it's in the Constitution, Full military.
I want the Army.
I want the Marine Corps.
I want 200,000 troops on that border.
I want it shut down.
One million percent.
dan friesen
So, in the past, Alex has called for the National Guard being used to police the border.
Right.
And everyone called him a hypocrite.
And I said, no, he's not.
Because that is something that can be done under the direction of the governor of the state.
So if the governor of Texas wanted to call in the National Guard to do that, it would not be against Alex's principles.
Him saying that the federal fucking government should do it...
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Because then, federalized troops would be operating within the state.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
And maybe the governor wouldn't be okay with it.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
That is directly against everything that we've heard him talk about when we're looking at 2009.
All of these Tenth Amendment resolutions and shit like that.
All of them.
This is completely counter to it.
He doesn't even bring up the idea of a governor's support or anything like that.
This is him advocating for...
Federalization.
It's him arguing for tyranny.
jordan holmes
Don't you remember how much he loved Jade Helm?
dan friesen
Loved it.
jordan holmes
Don't you remember how many times the federal government has mobilized troops to do something very innocuous?
dan friesen
Some exercise.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Some training bullshit.
jordan holmes
He loved it.
He loved it.
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
Bring federal troops into my state, says Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Now, I don't know all the governorships along the Mexican border, but we just need to imagine a scenario wherein one of them is...
He has lost his way entirely.
This is where people should be calling him a hypocrite.
Like, before, there were articles in...
All the publications.
Right Wing Watch was putting out stuff about how Alex is calling for the National Guard to come in to stop that train of immigrants that were coming up, even though that train of immigrants is something that happens every year.
It's a symbolic sort of protest thing.
It's not even like some sort of threatening group of immigrants coming up from Central America.
But they wrote about how Alex was saying bring in the National Guard when if they understood what Alex stood for, they would know this isn't the problem for him.
This fucking is!
It bothers me.
No one's going to talk about it.
jordan holmes
Well, the only other way that it could make sense for his principles is if he wants the federal army on the other side of the border, which would be declaring war on Mexico.
dan friesen
I think his anti-interventionist stuff would be against that, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
Like his Ron Paul boner would be...
jordan holmes
Well...
dan friesen
Would be quelled by that idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could say that.
dan friesen
You don't want to get in foreign entanglements.
That would be so costly.
jordan holmes
It is fine, though, if you are on horseback.
dan friesen
That is true.
Or if anyone is near a horse in a video that's on the Daily Caller, and then it fucking is very reasonable to go to war.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So, we know from looking back at 2008, 2009, that Alex Jones did not know who George Soros was.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
His globalists that he would talk about were the Rockefellers, the Ford Foundation.
Those were the people who were...
jordan holmes
Rothschilds!
dan friesen
Absolutely, they were in play back then.
Those were the people that were his big enemies, and most recently, on the episodes that we've done, we've seen George Soros be brought up, but Alex is almost confused by it.
He's not someone who's in play.
So that makes me think that this next clip is bullshit.
alex jones
You let one of these third world countries collapse into you, you go bankrupt.
jordan holmes
Oh, I forgot.
Did you?
alex jones
What's George Soros want?
jordan holmes
Dogs.
alex jones
Before he spent tens of billions of dollars buying up the media in the U.S. and buying PR for himself.
When I was a young man, when I was a kid and when I was in high school, my mom always had PBS on cooking dinner.
Whenever I came home at football or whatever, she was always there at 5, 6 o 'clock for like an hour and a half cooking a huge, you know, six-dish meal.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Gourmet food.
What?
So I showed up for dinner a lot of times, bringing my girlfriend over.
And it was always on PBS and ABC and everywhere that George Soros is a criminal.
He overthrows countries.
All he wants to do is collapse things, and he's an insider trader.
Not anymore.
He's the sweet little Nazi collaborator.
We all must kiss his little wart-covered booty.
dan friesen
I don't believe anything about that.
First of all, Alex had no idea who Soros was or his importance in the world.
Until at least sometime in 2009.
And I don't believe that PBS spent all of their time in the 80s talking about how Soros was evil.
jordan holmes
It was a big deal in the 80s!
dan friesen
PBS, bro.
jordan holmes
You don't remember when PBS went on that Soros Jag?
dan friesen
I remember when he was subject of investigation on 3-2-1 Contact.
jordan holmes
Oh, PBS!
Where did you lose your way?
You were once the vanguard in the fight against Soros.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I don't believe this for a fucking hot second.
jordan holmes
That fight against Soros was supported by viewers like you.
dan friesen
And the letter L. I should have chose a different letter.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex is going on a bit of a rant about China and how they're evil and they like to kill gays.
unidentified
Yeah, that's way different from Republicans.
dan friesen
I only keep this clip in because I think Alex is relishing talking about this a little too much, and it's going to lead to him having a little bit of a breakdown later, so it's good for context.
alex jones
There was one photo of two lesbians, two 16-year-old girls, that got caught in their dorm area having sex.
And they took them out and they blew their brains all over the walls.
Want to see those photos?
unidentified
Type in.
alex jones
But Tim Cook's gay, so it's okay.
unidentified
It's so liberal to blow women's brains all over the wall.
alex jones
If you're liberal and you're gay, then it's good.
And the homophobe Alex Jones hates gay people because he doesn't blow their brains all over the wall.
unidentified
And he's not a Nazi collaborator like George Soros.
alex jones
Think how sick that is.
Think how evil that is.
dan friesen
So, I mean, look, all I want to say about that is that voice is disgusting.
And what he's expressing is disgusting because, as we've covered, ad nauseum, he's very much a homophobe.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Whether or not he thinks that, I'm cool.
I'm cool with that.
I'm a libertarian.
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
He's viscerally angry.
jordan holmes
Whatever you do in your own home is fine with me.
dan friesen
He's viscerally angry at the LGBT community and likens them to pedophiles.
All the time.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that's because they don't like him.
And there's no reason that they wouldn't like him other than if they were what he purports them to be.
Definitely not that he purports them to be such.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So when he's talking about that, like, shooting their brains on the wall, it's just you're getting too into it.
jordan holmes
That's gross.
dan friesen
And it leads to this.
alex jones
I just don't know how I get called homophobic and all this made-up crap.
When I say you should not have people sexualizing kids, period, and they have the LGBT group saying I'm a homophobe, when it's Apple working with China that literally murders gay people.
And I'm not saying that because our next guest is gay.
What about Russia?
unidentified
They murder gay people!
alex jones
It drives me crazy!
Sorry, we'll go to our guest here in a moment.
I'm getting mad.
dan friesen
Yeah, you should be.
Because you're caught.
You're caught in a little web of your own lack of ability to wiggle around this stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're screaming, what about Russia?
Yeah, absolutely.
Fucking talk about that then, Alex, you dumb twat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you hate it whenever governments and peoples find it acceptable to kill gay people, boy, you got a lot of options there, dude!
dan friesen
Or like you even sort of referenced earlier, the...
You know, if the right wing really does become ascendant and, you know, that sort of religious conservative wing comes in...
jordan holmes
They want it to happen!
dan friesen
Absolutely!
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
And the policies that they would try and put forth in terms of making LGBT youth feel more weird, conversion therapy becoming more recommended and that sort of thing, all it's going to do is lead to those people killing themselves and youth.
I mean, that's the end result.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Drastically homophobic.
jordan holmes
No, the right wing in this country has accepted that it's not okay to just murder gay people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, like with abortion, they will do everything possible to make sure they die.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's, hey, hey, we're not killing gay people.
We're just creating all of the circumstances necessary for gay people to die.
It's not like we're doing it.
dan friesen
We believe in self-determination.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But we want you to determine to fucking kill yourself.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Because we determine that you should.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Fucking horrific.
dan friesen
Deal with that, Alex.
But, look, so his next guest is gay.
Cool.
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
So, he has Skype problems, and they're not able to get a hold of him, and so Alex is trying to vamp.
jordan holmes
That's a metaphor.
dan friesen
This is so funny.
alex jones
Let me tell you something that's very important while we're getting our guest on, and it's this.
Just like our information here on air is world-changing.
jordan holmes
Words, words, words, words, words.
Words, words, words.
I'm saying words.
alex jones
Just like our information.
Is powerful.
jordan holmes
Stretch.
Stretch it out.
Stretch it.
We're having technical issues.
Stretch.
unidentified
Our products are the same.
jordan holmes
Good work!
alex jones
You know, I don't just sit here and tell you that...
jordan holmes
Keep going.
We've still got issues.
Come on.
alex jones
Keep it rolling.
me.
unidentified
A lot of stuff going on here behind the scenes.
Whew!
Now.
Ha ha ha.
alex jones
Just like our information is game-changing.
jordan holmes
Start over.
Stretch it a little bit longer.
alex jones
Our products are game-changing.
If you don't have oxygen, you die.
I know they'll say that's a conspiracy theory.
If you don't have water, you die in a week, generally.
jordan holmes
Water is three days.
alex jones
If you don't have iodine, you die.
dan friesen
You finally got there.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Wow!
dan friesen
He's clearly having someone talk in his ear about, like, we can't get this guy on the show.
jordan holmes
If there's an issue, come on, Stretch.
You gotta...
And we are...
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Products.
jordan holmes
Our products are...
What's that?
Hold on.
I'm hearing something about...
They're good!
They're good.
dan friesen
Also, it's, you know, fun.
Not fun.
For him to talk about, like, you need oxygen to live, you need water to live, considering his boy Trump just said that only 6 to 18 people died in Maria, in Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, when in reality a lot of people died because they ran out of oxygen, because there was no electricity, and a lot of people died because they didn't have water.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how just denying the death toll...
unidentified
It's weird.
jordan holmes
It's not enough to get you removed from office.
dan friesen
You should go to The Hague.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't that be?
That should be the biggest story.
A president denies Earth.
You should be removed then.
That's the 25th Amendment.
Look, that's all you need.
The 25th Amendment.
The president doesn't believe in reality.
We have to let him go.
dan friesen
We've got to let you go, man.
Trump, you're cool.
You gotta go.
jordan holmes
You gotta go!
dan friesen
It would be like TJ Lavin on that season of the Real World Road Rules Challenge.
jordan holmes
Sure, it'd be like that.
dan friesen
When CT punched Davis and passed out drunk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And TJ Lavin had to come in and wake up CT.
He's like, hey CT, sorry man, but you gotta go.
jordan holmes
You gotta go.
dan friesen
You gotta go.
jordan holmes
You know what?
The Real World Road Rules Challenge is my Pokemon.
dan friesen
He's drunkenly in a stupor in his bed.
He's like, what do I do?
He's like, you punched Davis, man.
You gotta go.
And he's like, who?
Who's that?
That gay kid?
It's like, oh, see, dude?
You gotta go.
Anyway, that's what Trump is like.
You gotta go.
jordan holmes
You gotta go.
You just gotta go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
How is he not gone?
I don't know.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It seems like there should be something going on.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
Power.
People want power.
jordan holmes
God!
God!
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
It's nuts.
Anyway, they finally get their tech difficulties worked out after Alex Vamps for what seems like a political season.
It seems like an entire four years coast to coast that he's doing there.
But he finally gets him on the phone.
And I don't want to listen to this guy too much.
I don't even remember what his name is.
But he's the guy who started that hashtag walkaway trend on Twitter.
The idea of it is that like...
He's a Democrat, and he's trying to get people to walk away from the Democratic Party because they don't represent him anymore.
jordan holmes
I mean, depending on his reasons, I'm willing to entertain that notion.
dan friesen
Not to say he has any nefarious intent or anything like that, but if you want to look into it, there's a great Salon article about how they did some research into the accounts that were promoting that hashtag after it was put out, and there is a very...
Very high incidence of Russian bots that were promoting that walk-away campaign.
jordan holmes
It's so strange how that tends to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's probably a coincidence.
jordan holmes
It's almost like somebody pays them to do it.
dan friesen
Nuts.
jordan holmes
Almost like they're not even a government arm and more like a for-hire service that if you have billions of dollars and want to spread an idea, you can just hire them and they'll give it a visibility.
dan friesen
Yep, seems that way.
But anyway, he put on Facebook.
That he was going to go on Alex Jones' show.
It was something to the effect of Patriots.
I'm going on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Alright, well then now I'm not...
If you say Patriots, I'm kind of out.
dan friesen
So after that, his Facebook got locked.
Good call.
He was understandably mad about it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he, you know, sent an email or whatever to the powers that be at Facebook.
And they looked at him like, oh, this was a mistake.
Here is your account back.
He got it unlocked.
This all happened before Thursday.
This is the Thursday, I didn't even mention this.
This is the Thursday, September 13th episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
By the morning of Thursday, he's had his account back open for...
Since the night before.
It was Tuesday night, or Wednesday night, whenever he got all of his access back.
jordan holmes
Oh, so it was really quickly resolved.
dan friesen
Yeah, because it was...
jordan holmes
That's actually a pretty solid customer service.
That's way better than Comcast?
dan friesen
Sure.
So he, unfortunately, is still going around everywhere and showing up on Alex's show on Thursday trying to pitch the idea that he just said InfoWars and he got banned for 30 days.
When in reality, by this point, he has his account back.
They apologized for the mistake that they made, and everything should be fine.
But, because Alex wants to try and pitch the idea that if you say Infowars, you're banned from everything, he's having him on and letting him spout his bullshit, which is really about him trying to raise money for a walk-away march that he's trying to run.
unidentified
If anybody would like to contribute, they can go to walkwaymarch.com and please click fundraising.
It'll take you to our GoFundMe.
Of course, we're always looking for any kind of sponsors or donations from people at a larger level if they're able to.
But I'm telling you, I was devastated yesterday, Alex.
I mean, I was ready to shut the march down entirely because I thought...
How are we going to pull this off if I can't communicate with my people?
Like I said, my team and I have kind of worked on a workaround.
We think it's going to be okay.
jordan holmes
But that's what they're trying to do.
unidentified
They're trying to get people like me who are trying to have a voice and make a difference to cower and say, you know what?
They're bigger than me.
They're stronger than me.
I might as well quit.
I might as well give up because how can I fight against them?
jordan holmes
I think you should.
dan friesen
You can fight against them by writing an email and getting your fucking account back, you dick.
jordan holmes
It's not hard.
dan friesen
This is such bullshit.
They're trying to present this image of like, oh, because I'm so enterprising, it's like David versus Goliath.
I found a workaround to get my account and be able to access and talk to people when it's like, no, Facebook recognized that they made a mistake.
Whatever it was, whether it's some capricious employee who put his account on a suspension, or if it was some sort of automated thing that it got caught somehow, they said, oh, sorry, fucked up here.
Here's your account.
Sorry, we unlocked it.
Our bad.
jordan holmes
Not hard to do.
dan friesen
And he's trying to present it as like, were these fucking oppressed people?
They're like, no, you're not.
Stop it.
unidentified
Stop it.
jordan holmes
I do like any time somebody uses workaround.
You're going to need to give me specifics on your quote-unquote workaround, because it makes it seem like, oh, we outsmarted them.
That's not what a workaround is.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's acting like he is a hacker.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we broke into their code, and we coded stuff.
Like in the movie Swordfish.
dan friesen
Nope.
Facebook said mea culpa, and acted appropriately.
So, I don't care about the rest of the shit he's talking about, because it's nonsense, and quite frankly...
We got a bit to get through of the best stuff ever.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But before we get there, Alex has a little prediction about what's going to happen to President Donald John Trump.
unidentified
Oh, I hope he gets killed.
alex jones
Let's hear a little bit from George Strait right now when we watch this video.
Now you'll buy that.
I got some oceanfront property.
unidentified
I got some oceanfront property.
alex jones
You know, I got a signal from high-level folks.
jordan holmes
You are going to have oceanfront property in Arizona shortly.
alex jones
They know what's going on, and not from Steve Pachanek.
It was from people at Fort Bragg, and they said...
dan friesen
Sounds like it's from Steve Pachanek.
alex jones
They said, Alex, we believe March is when they're going to try to kill the president.
jordan holmes
March!
alex jones
And they said, we're ready, and just, you need to be ready.
And I said, should I relay that info?
And they said, well, the enemy may change their operations.
But it's definitely being directed from China, and they plan to kill Trump in March.
I thought I would just let people know that Fort Bragg's preparing for that.
They think something's in March of next year.
But who knows?
The enemy could change their plan.
jordan holmes
I don't know when it's going to happen.
alex jones
Thousands of armed men on horseback with giant drug packages coming across one ranch.
All confirmed.
InfoWars.com, Daily Caller.
dan friesen
Whoopty shit.
jordan holmes
All confirmed.
dan friesen
All confirmed.
Also, do you see in there how he plays his games?
He's like saying that Fort...
It's not Steve Pachanek telling me this, which leads me to believe that first of all...
jordan holmes
It's totally Steve Pachanek telling me.
dan friesen
Either that or he recognizes that Steve Pachanek has been burned and been wrong way too many times on his show.
He knows that everyone's going to assume that Steve Pachanek's saying that.
Right.
Like, no, no, no, it wasn't him, it wasn't him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So then he comes in with this.
They think it's going to be in March.
They're going to kill Trump.
But everything can change.
They can change their plans.
All we know is that China's behind it, but when it doesn't happen, just know that I said things can change.
The globalists change their plans all the time.
So I'm saying this, but it doesn't really fucking mean anything.
Now, the other thing is, I think he is trying to evoke the Ides of March.
I think he is.
jordan holmes
I think that makes sense.
dan friesen
Because in the past, he has referred to Trump as our Caesar.
He has used Caesar as an analog for Trump.
jordan holmes
That's a really bad thing, you know?
dan friesen
And it's even worse than you think.
Because Alex's big book that he basically...
jordan holmes
Do you mean because he just said that the government should bring their fucking military across our goddamn nation and he described him as Caesar?
Do you think there might be some sort of, I don't know, reference there?
dan friesen
Yeah, but I don't care about that.
For me, what it goes to is that in None Dare Call It Conspiracy, the book that Alex Jones has based most of his career on, Caesar is used as an example.
Of what happens when a psychopath is born super rich.
unidentified
Huh.
dan friesen
In the book, Gary Allen is describing the idea of like, hey, there are these people who go out and murder, you know, because they're born crazy.
There's just these vicious psychopaths out there.
jordan holmes
Serial killers exist.
dan friesen
Exactly.
But they are only able to kill like one or two, three, four, five people because they were born into humble circumstances.
But what happens when a psychopath is born into the lap of luxury and power?
That's what happens with Caesar.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine.
dan friesen
Caesar is used as an example of that.
So when Alex compares Caesar to Trump...
jordan holmes
Well, it's a good thing.
dan friesen
He's indicating that either he hasn't read the book that he's basing his life on or he's completely lost track of anything.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing that this is purely hypothetical.
It's a good thing that we have no real-world concrete examples of psychopaths being born into wealth.
That's a laughable situation, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
How dare you even bring it up to me?
It is so beyond the realm of understanding.
dan friesen
I understand.
But Gary Allen's assessment is a little bit...
Baseline.
Real surface.
But at the same time, you know, yeah, sure.
Psychopaths are born into rich places.
Oftentimes, though, what you end up with is...
Well, no, they do the similar shit.
The poor psychopaths do.
But a lot of times they can sublimate it into, like...
You know, getting their jollies off of crushing competition and stuff like that, as opposed to actually murdering people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is something that isn't accessible to people who don't have power or riches.
jordan holmes
Or they can do both if you're William Randolph Hearst.
dan friesen
Sure.
And there are other examples, too.
But be that as it may, Alex is fucking stupid.
That is crazy nonsense.
Trump isn't going to be killed in March, but Alex already knows that, and he's laid track for it.
Plans can change.
jordan holmes
Now, March is also a good time to say now, because then you've got a long wait.
And people will forget that you even said it.
And anybody who did bring it up, then you've got the hedge.
dan friesen
You've got at least three months of pretending it's going to happen.
And then four months of time to get it out of people's memory.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And in that time, you can raise a bunch of money with the panic of what's coming.
The summer of rage.
jordan holmes
The summer of rage.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
The winter of our malcontent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex now wants to talk about the immigrants that are in Europe, as opposed to the immigrants that he hates here.
I don't think what he's saying here is true.
alex jones
And that's it.
That's why 80-plus percent of the Islamic, Middle Eastern, North African invaders who were brought in the last five years to Europe, now it's 12 million of them, 80-plus percent never get a job.
And you know who they deport?
Anyone that converts to Christianity.
This is in the news.
What one that gets a job?
So you're out of North Africa or the Middle East, you go, I want to be a Christian and I want a job and I like this.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
alex jones
Your ass is shipped out.
jordan holmes
I don't like that voice at all.
alex jones
You're like, you want to walk around in your nightgown all day and wipe your ass with your hand and do all the rest of it?
You are staying.
You are golden, baby.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
This is the most...
This is non-stop racism.
I've heard from our show.
We've covered a lot of non-stop racism, but man, this is like...
Heavy-hitting, like, haymakers left and right of racism.
dan friesen
And just the wide spectrum.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah!
dan friesen
He's going after Mexicans.
jordan holmes
Oh, Mexicans, get out of there!
North Africans, get out of there!
Oh, yeah!
dan friesen
And the LGBT community.
He's going after everybody.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah!
dan friesen
So, on some level, I do think that our prediction of, like, he's going to have no reason to hold back anymore, it seems like it's fairly accurate.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He can just call immigrants invaders.
I mean, he does that anyway.
That's not new.
But he seems to be relishing it a lot more.
jordan holmes
He does seem to enjoy his newfound lack of consequences.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
But look, he has a theory here in this next clip about what happens if you are against Infowars.
And as someone who's against Infowars and has been putting out two to three long podcasts about that...
Very thing every week for two years.
I will say that what he's about to say happens when you are against Infowars, not true.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
dan friesen
Not true.
jordan holmes
Well, I will withhold judgment because I am also against it, but I don't know what he's about to say.
So maybe he's right.
dan friesen
Sorry, two false starts there.
alex jones
Here we go.
If you lie about Infowars or Trump or anybody else, they push your video.
The big thing about QAnon...
unidentified
*laughter*
dan friesen
I mean, Alex would suggest that we're lying about him, and no one is pushing our shit.
jordan holmes
No one's pushing our shit, man.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, sir.
dan friesen
Now, so that's funny, but what he says next is even funnier.
alex jones
The big thing about QAnon to know is they never get demonetized.
dan friesen
They just got banned from Reddit.
alex jones
Oh, it gets infinitely pushed to front because it's literal delusional garbage.
I mean, I talk to folks.
Trump hates Sessions.
He hates Mueller.
You know, it's a real death battle.
It's not, oh, Mueller's good and Alex is bad and he'll sue me again.
No, Alex is actually the bad guy.
Hugh said, we all go down the rabbit hole, we all go together.
This cult talk, I'll get to that later, but this whole situation...
dan friesen
Alex says...
All the time, we hang together or we hang separate.
How is that in any way different than what he's saying QAnon is saying that's cult shit?
Now, beyond that, this is so fucking funny to me.
Because he's been vaguely anti-QAnon for the entire time it's been going on, but only because he wants Zack to be more important.
He wants his version of QAnon to be the one that goes viral, and it fucking didn't.
So he's been petty and jealous about that.
But, at the same time...
Jerome Corsi has been on his payroll, and Jerome Corsi was writing a goddamn book about decoding the truths of QAnon.
jordan holmes
Goddammit.
dan friesen
So this whole time he's been paying Jerome Corsi to write...
jordan holmes
Also, I'm not going to lie to you.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Very simple explanation, Alex.
Here's why QAnon is more popular.
It's a non, and your dude is named Zach.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
QAnon?
Fun to say!
dan friesen
Very.
jordan holmes
Exciting!
You don't know who that guy is!
Zach?
He was on Saved by the Bell, man!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody's gonna fourth wall break this bullshit.
dan friesen
And also, I think that one of the things that appealed to people about QAnon is the idea that you have to put the pieces together yourself.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
There is an element of, like...
jordan holmes
It's a nice little mystery.
dan friesen
I think you said it on a recent episode, like, make me feel like I'm smart for figuring this out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that QAnon appealed to people's desire to pretend they're detectives and, like, figure out, oh, what does this cryptic nonsense mean?
And Alex doesn't provide them with that because he's just like...
I'm talking about China trying to kill Trump, and these immigrants that are coming in with their battle system, and they're on horseback, and they have guns.
jordan holmes
Too specific!
Too specific!
Back off!
Back off!
dan friesen
And our products...
jordan holmes
Are...
unidentified
Game-changing.
So, it's like, you don't have any subtext.
dan friesen
There's nothing, there's no mystery to figure out here.
And that's why whenever we go back and listen to episodes to try and trace his path on stuff, it's not that hard.
It takes a long time because you have to listen to the episodes and you have to digest what he's saying.
But in terms of solving a mystery, he just tells you everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pretty much.
Which is comforting for the people who listen to him, I assume.
dan friesen
Maybe, but I don't think they're paying attention.
The only thing that you really have to do is be able to suss out when he's telling the truth and when he's lying and bragging and stuff like that.
Which I think if you listen to it enough, you can kind of get the tone in his voice.
There's tricks about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, at this point, I feel like even without any of your research, I would be able to just by ear be like, that part's bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
No, you know, it sounds like it might be plausible, but guess what?
I heard the lilt?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
That's a lie.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the plot of an early H.G. Wells book.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Alex, that is not true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Listen up, Morlock!
Fuck off!
dan friesen
So I'm going to skip this next clip because it's not really all that important.
It's just Alex saying that he thinks that the Border Patrol is nice now.
jordan holmes
Oh, they're nice!
Are they too nice now?
dan friesen
I don't think he said too nice, but he's saying, they're like, they're cool.
jordan holmes
Oh, are they?
dan friesen
Not sure about that.
jordan holmes
Are there more children in detention now than there were just a few short weeks ago whenever the government, whenever the justice system said that this shouldn't fucking be happening, period?
dan friesen
He denies that that's the case.
jordan holmes
That doesn't, that's not real!
dan friesen
The children who are being held, it's good that they are.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
And then also the ACLU is somehow to blame.
I don't care.
I don't want to get into it.
The ACLU set up the system.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Which is not what the ACLU does.
But I don't really give a shit.
I mean, I give a shit about the people who are being, you know, mistreated and stuff like that.
But I don't really care about Alex's version of it because it's not really that much of the episode.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It's just sort of in passing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's so much more important that at this point Owen Schroer joins the proceedings.
jordan holmes
Why is Owen Schroer there?
dan friesen
Because Alex is having some fucking issues about his masculinity and he needs to sit down with Owen Schroer and get to the bottom.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Jordan, this is a mic down clip.
jordan holmes
The rest of the episode is mic down for me, huh?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
This is only going to cover a little bit, and then we will have the coup de grace at the end.
But this clip, this made me laugh so fucking hard when I was listening to this.
unidentified
It's nothing like some good old country on the open road, huh?
alex jones
Absolutely.
You know, you ever see these guys that strut around, trying to act big and tough, and you look at them and it seems annoying, like they're trying to act like an alpha male?
But, you know, maybe I was the person that was cowed.
Because it's up to us that our alpha males actually care about society to not let the weird little twisted beta males who crave power dominate us.
And they know that we have a conscience, so they manipulate us.
So here's an example.
I've got, and I'm not bragging about it, it's actually freakish.
unidentified
Yes, you are!
alex jones
My neck is freakishly large, 20 inches, and it's not fat.
And my chest is freakishly large.
I mean, my chest is almost as big as Arnold Schwarzenegger's.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
alex jones
Okay, and then I've got a big belly, too.
But the whole point is, is that ever since high school...
Like, big, tough guys would say, oh, you're a punk.
You want to fight?
Well, you're walking around with your chest stuck out.
I was like, no, I'm just standing up straight.
My dad would say, stand up straight.
If I stand up straight, it looks ridiculous.
And so the point is, is that my...
So since I was a teenager, I kind of, like, act like I'm a little wizard.
And when I walk around, I kind of just do like this so people don't recognize me or mess with me.
Also, I cast spells.
But you know what?
Now that people attack me for the first time in my life, it's not an arrogance, it's a pride.
Now, I went walking into a grocery store this morning.
I actually walked like a man's supposed to walk.
And everybody was looking at me.
And they were like, damn, that guy looks like a badass.
And the whole point was, all of that now is the fact they're attacking me and I'm more proud than I've ever been.
And I don't say, like, I was ashamed of myself before.
I wasn't trying to stand out before because I was already confident.
But now that they want to come boo at me at tables and boo at me on the street and take that down and, like, you know, just be like 18, try to make me ashamed of myself, now because they're doing that...
Now I'm going to actually hold my head on.
So now, I walked into a hotel the other night to this interview, and I walked right in there, and I walked with my head up, chest out, everything else.
Every woman basically came running.
And again, it's not bragging about, oh, I'm this tough guy, I'm handsome.
It's not that.
It's confidence.
It's that America has the will, has the spirit, has the destiny, has the future.
But those of us that are strong, we are reserved because we're almost embarrassed by our power.
dan friesen
Okay.
By the way.
jordan holmes
Hey, Dan, hold on one second.
dan friesen
That whole time Owen Schroer is sitting there silently like daddy.
jordan holmes
Could you please play the first, I don't know, 30 seconds of that clip one more time?
dan friesen
Sure.
owen shroyer
Nothing like some good old country on the open road.
jordan holmes
That's all you need right now.
alex jones
You ever see these guys that strut around?
jordan holmes
There we go.
Keep going.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
See these guys that strut around.
alex jones
You look at them and it seems annoying.
jordan holmes
It seems annoying.
alex jones
Trying to act like an alpha male.
jordan holmes
Trying to act like an alpha male.
alex jones
Maybe I was the person that was cowed.
jordan holmes
Okay, now you can stop right there.
You ever see these guys, Dan?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who walk around.
dan friesen
Chest out.
Annoying.
jordan holmes
Chest out.
Looking annoying.
Trying to act like an alpha male.
dan friesen
Trying to flex.
jordan holmes
Have you ever heard the second fucking half of that clip where he describes exactly that goddamn behavior?
dan friesen
I got a big old neck.
I walk into the store with my posture.
jordan holmes
With my chest out!
dan friesen
And ladies come a-running.
alex jones
Yes!
unidentified
You!
dan friesen
You!
I'd like to remind you that, like, there's one of the...
jordan holmes
That's the most projecty projection I've ever heard projected!
dan friesen
Earlier in the episode, Alex said that there's an invading army coming from Mexico, and, by the way, the eastern seaboard is about to be hit by a giant hurricane that he never mentions once in his entire episode, but he does have to spend time talking about how big his chest is to Owen.
He has to impress Owen!
Because Owen represents youth.
It's what he's lost.
Owen represents...
jordan holmes
God!
What if he drinks Owen's blood?
dan friesen
He might.
jordan holmes
What if he spends $18,000?
Why would he know the exact price of a quart of a child's blood if he did not buy children's blood, Dan?
dan friesen
Seems like he might have an end to the market.
jordan holmes
I think he knows.
dan friesen
But, you know, Owen really...
I think I touched on something there.
He represents that thing that Alex cannot get back.
And I think the two of them have this weird paternal child relationship going on.
Owen really wants to impress Alex, and Alex really wants to impress Owen.
It's not an employee-employer relationship they've got going on.
jordan holmes
It's a weird dudes-or-gross relationship.
dan friesen
Well, there's a point, I don't have the clip of it, but there's a point where Owen is like, Alex, Alex, Alex, you are a badass.
jordan holmes
Calm down.
dan friesen
Calm down.
jordan holmes
Stop.
unidentified
He has to, like, reassure him that he's a badass.
jordan holmes
There's nothing less badass than somebody being like, hey, no, you are a badass.
You're such a badass.
dan friesen
Who's the big boy?
jordan holmes
Who's a badass?
That's you.
That's who you are.
dan friesen
So, ostensibly, the reason that Owen's supposed to be on is because that video that was in the Daily Caller came out, and Owen went to a, I guess, liberal meeting of some sort?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he asked the speaker about it, about the, like, What about all these armed men coming across the border?
And also, what about abortion?
And the speaker is like, ooh, looks like InfoWars is here.
unidentified
And they're like, anybody else got a question?
dan friesen
What's really funny is that after that, Owen is like, I've got a stack of news here.
He's literally using...
jordan holmes
He said he has a stack of news there?
dan friesen
In the video they play from him going to this meeting.
jordan holmes
Oh, I've never been prouder.
dan friesen
At the meeting, he has a stack of news.
jordan holmes
I've never been prouder.
dan friesen
You could almost see a gleam in Alex's eye.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
So proud of his little girl.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Using his own expressions when he goes and invades people.
Also, the other thing that I thought was really fucked up...
I don't have a clip of this, because again, we've got a lot to get through.
Owen says, if you kick us off Facebook...
We'll come into 3D reality where God is in charge, which leads me to believe that he thinks God isn't in charge on Facebook.
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
Somehow Facebook has usurped God.
jordan holmes
What is what?
dan friesen
Which is troubling.
jordan holmes
Man, now I really want to find out more about Owen Troyer's very clear daddy issues.
dan friesen
I would say that there's something going on.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But let's not drift on the wrong side of the Goldwater rule.
We don't know him.
I do know that he hero-worships Alex in a very unhealthy way.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex loves it.
jordan holmes
Man, it's going to be...
It's going to be...
Owen Troyer is cruising for, like, the worst decade of his life in, like, two years.
dan friesen
He's going to have a fucking...
At least five-year Info Wars hangover.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's going to do the Brad Pitt and...
Fuck, now I can't remember the name of the movie.
dan friesen
It's Fight Club.
jordan holmes
No, it's not Fight Club.
You're not supposed to talk about it.
It's the one where he goes on the ship.
dan friesen
Seven Years in Tibet.
jordan holmes
No, it was the other one.
He's on a ship.
He was smoking opium, and he grew his hair real long.
His wife was Native American for a while.
dan friesen
It was Fight Club.
jordan holmes
Okay, you're right.
That was Fight Club.
dan friesen
So we have another clip here from Owen and Alex just having a bull session.
This is like, they both...
Really need to talk to somebody about their bodies.
And unfortunately, they're doing it on air to each other.
jordan holmes
This is weird.
dan friesen
But it really is something that you should probably talk to a therapist about.
I think there's some dysmorphia going on here.
I don't want to judge them for it, but I do because it's on air on a show where you're saying that immigrants are invaders and shit like that.
So go fuck off.
You don't really get much sympathy from me.
alex jones
And it's kind of embarrassing, you know, to walk around like you're trying to be one of those big guys.
But I am a big guy, so I shouldn't be embarrassed of it.
And I'm just saying, I'm not going to hunch over and hide anymore.
But they've actually made me come out of my show.
owen shroyer
Actually, this is an interesting path to go down, Alex, because there's this whole trend right now happening about body shaming, right?
And so it's like, if you're overweight and obese, like, they want you to show off your body like, I mean, women are wearing, like, yoga pants now that, I mean, it should almost be illegal.
But, like, if you're actually in shape like a fit guy, like, sometimes, Alex, it's, like, weird.
Like, I feel bad, like, if I go out in a muscle shirt walking...
alex jones
Because you're in great shape.
owen shroyer
And there's, like, a bunch of...
alex jones
What are you, like, 3% body fat?
owen shroyer
Probably something like that.
Just fuck already!
unidentified
Christ!
owen shroyer
Depending on the day.
But it's, like...
If you walk around in a muscle shirt and you're a big tough guy or whatever, you're kind of like, oh yeah, thanks for rubbing it in.
You know what I'm saying?
But if you're someone overweight that just chooses to be overweight and then chooses to scoot around on the store on your scooter instead of walking and stuff like that.
alex jones
Oh, it's like going to the Antifa meetings.
These women go, I love Satan, I kill my babies and I stink.
dan friesen
Real quick, he's saying Antifa meetings, but that's the exact same thing he claimed about when he would protest abortion rallies.
He's just reusing material.
This is hacky.
jordan holmes
This is like if there was a sketch where Woody Allen wore an Arnold Schwarzenegger suit.
Like, this is exactly the kind of neuroses that would come out.
dan friesen
It's weird, man.
It's super weird.
unidentified
This is gross.
dan friesen
And then also the idea that Owen is like, if you're too hot, people hate you.
It's like, God, just fuck off.
What are you talking about?
We've heard this line before, and it's stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It was dumb then.
It's dumb now.
You're not getting any smarter.
Why are you coming to this like it's brand new?
dan friesen
Well, because that's what all of these people are.
The Ben Shapiros of the world.
The Jordan Petersons.
The Sam Harrises.
Stefan Molyneux, all of the intellectual dark web, all of their stock and trade is really just rephrasing conversations we've already had as a society and we've rejected out of hand.
Like, oh, that's stupid.
In the same way that that's what Owen's doing here.
jordan holmes
What if toxic masculinity...
Acted like it was smart.
dan friesen
What if women really are fucking stupid?
jordan holmes
Oh, ha ha ha!
What if Tim Allen was right all along?
dan friesen
What if there are actual qualitative differences between races?
jordan holmes
Hold on!
dan friesen
Now, that's an interesting conversation.
Now, what if, you know, like, really whoever one is judging is people who are too hot.
unidentified
Oh, aren't they the real victims here, Dan?
jordan holmes
Aren't they the real victims?
dan friesen
If we just don't call people fat and say that they're ugly and stupid and pretend that there's a morality base to people's physical appearance, the next thing you know, we're going to be in Harrison Bergeron.
And I'm going to have to wear glasses that make me blind because my vision's too good.
jordan holmes
Oh no, Dan!
Oh no!
dan friesen
Fucking baby.
jordan holmes
Oh, you know what?
unidentified
I feel so bad that we should outlaw...
jordan holmes
People that I find unattractive wearing tight clothes.
dan friesen
What a fucking baby.
jordan holmes
What a baby.
dan friesen
So, Owen has one more thing to say here that I think is really funny.
And actually, it changed some of my political beliefs.
unidentified
Did it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Not in the way Owen would hope.
owen shroyer
You know, Beto O 'Rourke, a fake name, they put Beto in his name to, you know, make him, you know...
I don't know.
These Democrats, they always manipulate anyway to get votes.
But Beto O 'Rourke plays a concert with Willie Nelson.
So Willie Nelson is now...
Promoting Beto O 'Rourke to defeat Ted Cruz, which is bad.
Ted Cruz is a great voting record.
Beto O 'Rourke is an anti-conservative, anti-Trump, liberal nutjob, phony Democrat.
So what am I going to do?
I can't compete with Willie Nelson.
Wait a second.
Maybe I can.
dan friesen
You can't.
jordan holmes
No, you can't.
dan friesen
So, hey, man.
jordan holmes
Excuse me, Owen.
I know you got an inflated view of yourself.
Still not going to touch Willie Nelson, my friend.
dan friesen
Now, I will say that absent any other information, saying that...
Is that her real name?
I don't know.
Is an expression of racism.
That is absolutely...
Because you're not...
You know what?
It's very easy to find out if something is someone's real name.
You can just look that up.
jordan holmes
Can you?
dan friesen
Yeah, you can.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Especially public figures and people who are sitting in office.
jordan holmes
Name one way.
dan friesen
Google it.
So you can do that.
I don't care.
I'm not even going to look into that person, Sylvia Garcia.
I don't give a shit.
I believe that's her name.
And unless Owen's going to present me with some sort of evidence that it's not...
I just see that as an expression of him questioning somebody's minority bona fides or something.
Now, Beto O 'Rourke is an interesting case because Beto is not his real name.
His birth name is Robert Francis O 'Rourke, but he started going by Beto in his primary school days because Beto is a Spanish nickname for Robert.
This probably had something to do with the fact that he grew up in El Paso, which, I'm not sure if you know this, is literally on the border of Mexico, and 80.7% of the population of El Paso has some sort of Hispanic heritage.
He went to Carlos Rivera Elementary School in El Paso High School.
That school, by the way, El Paso High School, is a school that the Klan tried to rename Sam Houston High School in 1922.
jordan holmes
Great.
Good work, guys.
You guys are doing it.
dan friesen
Beto is grown up surrounded by and immersed in Latinx heritage.
And the idea that most of his friends growing up were probably Hispanic makes a complete sense that he would end up with a Spanish-inspired nickname that stuck.
I think Beto's a fun name.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
Also, I was a bit wishy-washy about Beto until Alex and Owen made me look into him a little bit.
jordan holmes
No, he's pretty fucking great.
dan friesen
I'm all in.
jordan holmes
I know, he's great!
dan friesen
Though...
I would support a sack of potatoes on the ballot against Ted Cruz.
Beto pushed me over the line when I learned that he used to be the bassist in a band called Foss, which featured Cedric Bixler-Zavala from At The Drive-In.
jordan holmes
Oh, he did.
Oh, he was.
dan friesen
I had no idea.
jordan holmes
What do you mean you didn't know that?
That's the only thing to know about Beto O 'Rourke.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's progressive or whatever.
But he was in a band with the guy from At The Drive-In?
dan friesen
Cedric Bixler.
jordan holmes
Come on, dude!
dan friesen
That's nuts.
Yeah!
jordan holmes
And the Mars Volta?
This dude.
Fucking Beto.
President.
For life.
Actually, no.
Scratch that.
At the drive-in, as a concept, president for life.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
A lot of that doesn't hold up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
A lot of it does.
Anyway.
A lot of Mars Volta doesn't.
jordan holmes
A lot of Mars Volta doesn't.
dan friesen
A little bit indulgent there, Cedric.
jordan holmes
Hey, man.
Shit, what's the name of it?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Rats in the Sanitarium?
No.
Shit.
Comatorium?
Comatorium, yeah.
That one's a great album.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great album.
dan friesen
It's good.
jordan holmes
Later albums?
A little self-indulgent.
dan friesen
I will say, from the jump, a little self-indulgent.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
It worked better earlier, but who cares?
jordan holmes
Great, great drumming, though.
dan friesen
All still better than Sparta.
jordan holmes
Really great drummer.
dan friesen
Anyway.
Let's move along.
Can't get too bogged down in the world of old-timey yelling rock?
I don't know what to call it.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
And by the way, that's not my genre at all, but my friends were super into it at the drive-in, and I'm glad they were, because I enjoyed the hell out of them.
jordan holmes
Hey, man, I love a band that can put together three concept albums.
I'm always going to go with, look, whether they're good or not.
dan friesen
Must love Dan the Automator.
jordan holmes
I do love Dan the Automator.
dan friesen
Almost nothing with concept albums.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, Dan.
Have we come to it?
dan friesen
We've come to the point where...
jordan holmes
Your life became great.
dan friesen
No.
Not my life became great.
But we have definitely the strongest indication that Alex Jones' life is not great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which makes me giggle, because he's a pile of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck off.
dan friesen
This starts with what I would describe as an absolute indication that he listens to our show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then by the end of this clip, we see...
Where the future of Infowars lies.
And my friend, it ain't a good place.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha!
From the front lines of the information war, it's Alex Jones.
The boys tell how Bonjo fell and left his living in a cheap hotel.
down The desert's quiet.
alex jones
Cleveland's cold.
jordan holmes
Alex, if you want to donate and become a policy walker, there's a link.
Visit knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
God, we could duet this at karaoke.
What about the bridging of worlds?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm out.
unidentified
He only did what he had to do.
And now he's grown old.
alex jones
Hard to believe Merle Haggard died.
Was this year or last year?
jordan holmes
Last year.
alex jones
Conrad Padilla is here.
I'm really impressed with how smart he is.
And I find him here because we're doing a business venture together.
But he doesn't even want to get into that.
And that's fine.
He wants to get into the college conspiracy.
Just an example of this.
But I want to get into InfoWarsYes.com.
dan friesen
InfoWarsYes.com.
jordan holmes
InfoWarsYes.com?
dan friesen
Now, I'm not going to tell you what this is just yet.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But just know.
It's bad news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Also, I believe that Merle Haggard died.
jordan holmes
Does anybody know who owns Infowarsno.com?
dan friesen
I think someone did buy it.
I saw a tweet.
I think maybe his ex-wife bought it.
I think Kelly might have bought Infowarsno.
Which is...
jordan holmes
That's pretty funny.
dan friesen
It's crazy that Alex wouldn't buy that.
jordan holmes
That's pretty funny.
dan friesen
But to not, like, I mean, he didn't own Infowars.com when he started Infowars.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, someone else was sitting on that for a really long time.
So the idea that he wouldn't cover his bases and get Infowars, no, is like, yeah, that's Alex.
jordan holmes
I mean, if it was me and I was going to come up with knowledgefightyes.com, we would also own knowledgefight no, knowledgefight maybe, knowledgefight possibly, knowledgefight indetermined.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just good planning.
So, in this next clip, Alex explains that he's going to invade Europe, which is cool.
jordan holmes
By himself?
dan friesen
And then gets back to this idea of...
jordan holmes
How many horses does he have?
dan friesen
Many.
But then he gets back to this idea of the college conspiracy that Conrad Padilla wants to talk about.
Also, by the way, I had a really tough time with figuring out who Conrad Padilla is because there's also an MMA fighter named Conrad Padilla.
It's not him.
jordan holmes
It's not him?
dan friesen
Different cat.
jordan holmes
Different cat.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So I just want the listeners to know, obviously, this is something good to get in on the ground level of InfowarsYes.com.
Just like I told you, Trump was good to get into the beginning of it, and they're also not once to be sponsors to support us, so we like that.
But I've already heard about them for years, and then we're doing a lot of stuff in Europe.
That's where they're in the top three companies in England and Germany and places.
So that's perfect for our European invasion we're about to launch.
I mean, you'll never know we launched it.
I mean, the enemy listens to my phones.
They know what we're doing.
But let's just leave it at that.
The European invasion will begin.
Get the British invasion with the Beatles and stuff.
We'll get ready for the American invasion with the Info War.
And I'm just going to stop right there.
jordan holmes
We've got more people involved.
alex jones
Just enjoy it.
Give the listeners real breadcrumbs.
As one of us goes, we all go.
But Conrad Padilla, thank you for joining us.
You've got the floor for the rest of the hour.
Get into the college conspiracy.
dan friesen
So, he's gonna invade Europe.
There's world leaders involved.
You're just fucking talking about Nigel Farage, who gives a fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if you want to go with, like, the Beatles analogy, now's not the right time.
The big news about the Beatles is that John Lennon and Paul McCartney jacked off together.
So I imagine he's just saying that him and Nigel Farage did a little bit of mutual masturbation.
unidentified
You know...
dan friesen
That's what I'm guessing.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
If you're in the biggest band in the world...
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
jordan holmes
Right.
At the time.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And you've had sex with literally everybody there is to have sex with.
dan friesen
I don't...
jordan holmes
The only thing left for you is to jerk...
dan friesen
I don't find anything wrong with that.
I don't even think that's a fun story.
No!
jordan holmes
That's great!
dan friesen
All the puns that people are working out, like a billion people...
jordan holmes
I really didn't know that that was...
Is that real?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
That was a story that came out, yeah.
jordan holmes
But that sounds great!
That's like David Bowie and Mick Jagger!
dan friesen
How did you not see the billion people...
jordan holmes
Because I'm off Twitter, I'm off Facebook.
I'm off all of it, man.
dan friesen
A fucking billion people tweeted, come together.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Of course.
That's the simplest way to go.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
Anyway, he's...
jordan holmes
No, I'm happy for them.
Just like I'm happy for David Bowie and Mick Jagger when they fucked.
Good for you guys.
Have a great old time.
dan friesen
Or Richard Pryor and...
Who was that?
jordan holmes
Who was that?
Oh, shit.
Now I can't remember.
dan friesen
Ernest Hemingway.
jordan holmes
Was it Ernest Hemingway?
I don't think it was.
Why was that your poll?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Because it was Bogart.
Humphrey Bogart.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Was it?
dan friesen
No.
No.
No, it wasn't.
It was some actor.
jordan holmes
Wait, why would it be Humphrey Bogart?
dan friesen
I don't know if Humphrey Bogart...
Because I keep thinking Merle Haggard now.
And getting Merle Haggard out of my head, I somehow jumped to...
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Dan, I hate to break it to you, but Humphrey Bogart 2 is dead.
dan friesen
It was Marlon Brando.
That's who it was.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Quincy Jones was talking about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
On that fantastic interview that Quincy Jones gave.
That was such a fucking delight.
All these kids don't understand music.
Also, Humphrey Bogart used to fuck...
Richard Pryor.
I don't know.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Hey.
Much like rich people infusing young blood as a novelty, sometimes, you know, if you're not gay, you're rich, you're famous, you're going to go swing a little bit.
jordan holmes
You get high as fuck one night, you just figure, hey, what are we doing not doing this?
dan friesen
Nothing wrong with experimenting.
Anyway, the college conspiracy keeps coming up, and you might think that that has something to do with student loans being abusive.
You might think it has...
It has something to do with people not being necessarily prepared for the world outside by the educational system as it is.
And that second one is kind of close to what Padilla wants to talk about.
But I'll let him lay out his version of the college conspiracy.
alex jones
All right, here we go.
conrad padilla
Well, our whole system, Alex, teaches go to school, get your higher education.
And somehow you're going to go out there and get this job that's going to pay you a whole bunch of money.
Well, what's happening right now is you've got kids right now who have a master's degree that are working at Starbucks and they're working at a bunch of different places like that and they can't find...
dan friesen
By the way, Starbucks has great benefits.
conrad padilla
The jobs are out there because everybody's doing the same thing.
alex jones
And even the Huffington Post admission should be abolished.
At 90%, you never get your money back.
That's right.
conrad padilla
Well, the biggest problem we have right now is people don't realize the debt that's being achieved by our government.
jordan holmes
I think college should be abolished.
conrad padilla
The college debt that's happening right now that, in most cases, doesn't even have to be paid back.
Well, somebody's going to have to pay it back.
dan friesen
Why?
conrad padilla
So our system is teaching.
unidentified
Yeah, no, it's actually against the law not to pay it back.
jordan holmes
They made it a law.
conrad padilla
And then, by the way, you can't buy a house.
jordan holmes
You can't declare bankruptcy.
conrad padilla
And it's going to affect the way that you can actually, you know, respectively run in your life.
alex jones
So they're literally putting a ball and chain on them.
Yes!
conrad padilla
I think that's what the whole point is, is that our system's not teaching one of the most important things, which is entrepreneurship.
jordan holmes
Alright, no, that's not the problem.
conrad padilla
I look at entrepreneurship as, you know, some people have an issue with Trump being in the office.
Well, Trump's an entrepreneur.
jordan holmes
No, he's not!
He's the fucking beneficiary of nepotism on a grand scale and on top of that fucking white nationalism.
He is a product purely of white nationalism.
This is a man born, raised, and supported by a KKK member who was then elected to office purely based on how racist he was.
Trump is emblematic of white supremacy.
Trump is the dumbest, least fucking valuable human being on the goddamn planet, supported by this goddamn bullshit world that we live in.
That is fucking unsettling to describe him as an entrepreneur.
dan friesen
Jordan, look, I agree.
You said you wanted to get out of here before.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Just listening to that, listening to those words.
dan friesen
It's pretty bad.
The college conspiracy, as I hear him laying it out, is that they don't teach entrepreneurship.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is, you know, I mean, I don't think that that's necessarily the main problem.
jordan holmes
None dare graduate a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Right.
I would be willing to have that conversation with someone if they were to bring it up.
You know, like, that to me isn't like, how dare you, or anything like that.
I don't find that position to be that wild.
Don't they?
jordan holmes
Don't they have, like, specific degrees?
unidentified
Oh, there's business school.
jordan holmes
Aren't there specific schools specifically for entrepreneurship?
dan friesen
Sure, but also, I mean, I think you could make an argument that, you know, you gotta have a biology credit in most undergraduate degrees.
You gotta have a chemistry credit in most universities.
And I know from going to college, I didn't need to have a business class or anything like that.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I could see an argument being made that, like, in terms of preparing people for the life outside of prison.
unidentified
Outside of college.
jordan holmes
Floating and slip.
dan friesen
Outside of college, it would be beneficial for them to prepare and have some sort of an understanding of economics, business, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
I really feel like that's high school shit.
Freshman year, you should have a...
dan friesen
Fine, but then you're passing the book.
jordan holmes
Here's how fucking credit cards work.
dan friesen
But a lot of times, home economics and that sort of stuff, or civics classes in high school, are prerequisites, and they are required.
And they don't do a good job.
All you're doing is pushing the buck back further.
Wherever you do it, people should be prepared in some way.
Now, whether you want to make the argument it's in high school or it's in college, I'm listening both sides.
I'm fine, again, with that conversation.
Now, it's unfortunate.
unidentified
Here we go.
dan friesen
Because this is a self-serving argument.
jordan holmes
Oh, surprise!
dan friesen
Now...
jordan holmes
Would he perhaps have some sort of...
unidentified
Hold on.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Some, like, maybe he's putting together.
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
If he thinks that the colleges aren't doing it, are you saying that he might think that there's an opening for someone to step in and do it?
dan friesen
To teach entrepreneurship?
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
You might be way too lofty.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sorry.
Is he instead selling a VHS tape where he gives advice?
dan friesen
You're not far off.
jordan holmes
Of course.
There's a pamphlet you can buy for $25.
dan friesen
Conrad Padilla was like a traitor, like in stocks and what have you.
He was unhappy with his life.
And that is where, in this next clip, dude, this is a mic down.
Very seriously.
Because this is where everything is going to change for Alex.
Remember, he brought up InfoWars Yes.
We're going to find out a little bit about it.
jordan holmes
We're going to all say InfoWars Yes soon.
dan friesen
I'm going to say InfoWars Oh No.
conrad padilla
So what I started realizing was this is not what I want to do for the rest of my life.
So this profession came around, you know, network marketing, MLM.
As you know, sometimes people have a stigma of it, but the reality is most people don't really actually know that it's been around for over 100 years.
And what a lot of people don't actually realize is that this profession is so proven around the world that's helped millions of people out the world be able to go into entrepreneurship.
alex jones
Well, mainstream media demonizes it.
There's some good companies, some bad.
But it's a model built around good products.
That's why I've been offered hundreds of these deals.
I've only done two.
When it's a great product line, when it's already been successful, and then it just gives people a position to get other folks under them also outselling.
And with products like...
We should get rid of the products, because it also funds the show now, and it's a win-win.
I mean, these are some of the best products out there.
conrad padilla
Well, they are.
See, the reason that I was...
When I became an independent distributor for Jeunesse, the biggest thing that I liked about the company is that the owners of the company were successful business people before Jeunesse.
They were really successful people.
dan friesen
So, if you are not putting the pieces together...
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Has become a mid-level, multi-level marketing scam guy for Jeunesse.
dan friesen
You betcha.
jordan holmes
So he's not even running his own MLM anymore.
He is just an independent contractor for a multi-level marketing scheme.
dan friesen
And that's what InfoWarsYes is.
It's a funnel to get people to sign up to be distributors for DNS.
jordan holmes
That can't be real.
That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.
dan friesen
It's pretty remarkable.
jordan holmes
That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.
I'm genuinely sad.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty wild stuff.
I mean, at the bottom of InfoWarsYes page, like if you go to InfoWarsYes.com and you scroll all the way to the bottom, there's a...
Disclaimer.
Quote, this site is owned and operated by an independent Juness distributor.
In other words, Alex Jones is now a Juness distributor.
That's not all that's going on.
He's trying to recruit people to sell Juness products to their friends.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that's how the multi-level marketing works.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
What the shit?
You know what?
Twice in my life.
Twice in my life.
And these are two generative, formative experiences for me.
All right?
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
First, when I was like...
Nine?
My dad bought a timeshare.
And somehow, even then, when he was explaining it to me, I was like, this is a bad idea.
This is not valuable.
You are dumb.
And then again, when I was like 22, my dad started telling me about this.
Oh, so there's this thing.
Okay, so what you do.
It's not like they sell anything.
It's that they give you a membership, and through this membership, you get discounts.
And if you tell other people about this membership, and they get this membership, they have to pay a small fee.
You know, I have to pay a small fee.
But the more people you tell, the better discounts you get, and then actually you get a kickback for every person who signs up using your information.
dan friesen
I can't imagine how your dad ended up in a cult.
jordan holmes
I know, right?
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like a trend.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
It's weird how he doesn't understand when he's being conned.
dan friesen
When I was 18 years old, I went to a Cutco meeting.
You know Cutco?
jordan holmes
Oh, I've heard of, yeah, I remember Cutco.
dan friesen
So at the time I was working at a movie theater making $5.15 an hour at this movie theater, sweeping up popcorn, working the concession stand and what have you.
I would later go on to manage that theater as a hero of the 4M8 theater.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Selling knives all the way.
dan friesen
At that point, I walked out to my car and someone had put a flyer for Cutco in there.
It was on all the cars.
And I was like...
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe I'll go check out this seminar or whatever.
Now, at the same time, my then roommate was trying to make a reality show about my life because I was completely out of control and we had a handy cam.
We had a little digital video camera.
So we decided, wouldn't it be fun if I got really drunk and went to this Cutco meeting?
jordan holmes
Yes, it would be.
dan friesen
Because it's a cattle call.
It's just tons of people.
unidentified
Yeah, no, anybody.
dan friesen
We knew that was going to be the case.
So I got fucking wasted.
And then we went.
He drove.
We were safe.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
We brought the video camera.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we get to the door, and they're like, you cannot videotape.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
So he had to wait in the car, and I was just fucking wasted.
And now, like, there's not even going to be video of this.
jordan holmes
What am I doing here?
dan friesen
Why did I stay?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's just a sales pitch where they're, like, cutting pennies and stuff like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's very rah-rah, and there's always the guy who's like, now, you might say to yourself, there's no way.
This is too good to be true.
I'm going to bring up...
Mr. and Mrs. Derrickson.
And they are going to tell you exactly how it changed their lives.
They went from having some sort of regular real estate job where you sell real estate to making $38,000 per month.
Does everybody here want to make $38,000 per month?
dan friesen
There wasn't anyone like that, but the guy was running it.
That was his story.
It's me, myself.
I don't trust you.
But then there was obviously one person in the audience who was playing it.
And was just like, oh my god, that's amazing!
Stuff like that.
And so I'm drunk, and I can't make eye contact with the guy or anything.
I'm like...
I probably had like 13 beers before I went.
That's wasted.
jordan holmes
And this was a day job.
This was a day game.
dan friesen
This was in the evening of the meeting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but like, what?
Five?
Six?
dan friesen
It might have been around seven, eight, something like that.
jordan holmes
That's not terrible.
Thirteen beers before eight is fine.
dan friesen
I remember it being dark out, and I had the day off from the theater, and I was a champ at the time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You start drinking at noon if you're not at thirteen beers by eight.
I'm disappointed in you.
dan friesen
I am not buzzed.
I am...
Drunk.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I'm like slouching in my chair and like probably, I probably burped a bit or whatever.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And I'm just sitting there thinking like, I gotta, this has gotta end.
I gotta get out of here.
It went on for like an hour.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then after the hour, what he did was the guy who was running the seminar, who was clearly just like, he was the one who put the flyers around.
He's trying to recruit more people so he can make money off them.
So what he does is he brought everyone into his office, two at a time.
And he gave the speech that he obviously gave to every single group of two.
He was like, I wanted to bring you guys in here because you are, you know, I can tell you, you have it.
Or whatever.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, you transparent bullshitter.
dan friesen
I was in there with a girl who was like very chipper and like clearly kind of interested.
jordan holmes
She was a go-getter.
dan friesen
A little bit.
And I'm drunk.
And so he was like, he was pointing at her and he's like, you seem to have the go-getter spirit.
I think you have a good future in this.
And he looked over at me.
He was like, you?
You make great eye contact.
unidentified
I can't say for sure whether or not I laughed in his face.
dan friesen
But I'm like, how dare?
First of all, I'm drunk.
Second, I have a cross eye.
Like, what are you doing?
That's the one thing you thought of?
So he offered us both positions, and of course, it's a thing where it's like, you know, you have to pay a bunch of money to get your set of knives that you can then walk around.
jordan holmes
It's crazy how you have to buy the knives first, and then you, ugh.
dan friesen
It's that standard setup.
I went in there and...
jordan holmes
It's like you're a newsie in the 1910s.
dan friesen
Right, right.
So they tried to get me to, you know, they would constantly contact me after that, and were like, you know, want to set up this thing, get your package together.
jordan holmes
And this is before spam filter in your email.
dan friesen
Or even, like, calling me.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Gross.
dan friesen
And so I always ignored them and all that.
And then I had a buddy who, it was maybe a year later, I'd moved.
I was living with another guy.
A guy I knew from high school who was kind of, he was a little impressionable and all that.
So he got a Cutco meeting.
Oh, no.
He thought it was big stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, that poor kid.
dan friesen
The potential to make so much money was in front of him.
All it takes is me working hard.
jordan holmes
It's all about you.
dan friesen
And so I told him, I was like, man.
I went to one of those meetings and I told him the story that I just told.
And I'm like, they're con artists.
This is a scam.
He's like, no, but I know someone who did it and they made a ton of money.
I'm like, but also consider how alienated they are from everybody who used to be their friends.
Because I knew the guy too.
You know that's the path you're going to have to go down.
Piss off your family.
You might get some pity purchases.
And then you're going to get fucked with all of these expensive knives that you have to buy as showcase knives.
And he wouldn't listen to me.
He ended up sinking like $1,000, $2,000 and just getting screwed by this pyramid scheme.
So now this is what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Whoa, I don't like you saying pyramid scheme, Dan.
Pyramid scheme has a really negative connotation.
I prefer multi-level marketing scheme.
dan friesen
Fine.
So in the end of that last clip, Padilla is...
jordan holmes
None dare call it a scam.
dan friesen
None dare call it a pyramid.
So in that last clip, at the end there, what Padilla was saying is that what made me attracted to this company was that the founders of it came in with such success in business.
They were very successful people.
Now, Jordan, I'd like to tell you that Juness is a multi-level marketing scheme started by Wendy Lewis and Randy Ray.
Previous to starting this health supplement scam company, the two operated another multi-level marketing business.
Called Fuel Freedom International.
Where they sold a product called MPG caps, which allegedly helped your car.
jordan holmes
Oh, you gotta have an MPG cap.
dan friesen
It would help your car.
jordan holmes
I've got eight MPG caps.
dan friesen
See, that's great, because it helps your car use gas more efficiently.
jordan holmes
That's what I've always wanted!
dan friesen
Ultimately, this was shown to be complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
From Truth in Advertising.
Quote, In February 2009, Ray, as CEO and co-owner of this Fuel Freedom, signed an assurance of voluntary compliance with Florida's Office of Attorney General, and the company paid $100,000 and promised...
from making false claims in their business.
Since they could no longer legally make false claims of fuel freedom, they closed down shop and started June S because regulation of the supplement industry is nearly normal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's almost like you can just start selling bullshit and call it something that's got health benefits because there are...
Billion-dollar companies that have lobbied Congress to ensure that they're not covered by the FDA.
dan friesen
So these people, Wendy Lewis and Randy Ray, who started a multi-level marketing company that sold a fraudulent product which got them a $100,000 fine by the Attorney General of Florida, and they had to cease operations because the jig was up, they brought that kind of success into Juness when they started it.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I'm going to be honest.
That's a brilliant move on their part.
I'm going to give them credit for that.
If you get caught...
But here's the problem.
Nobody gets scammed quite like a scammer.
dan friesen
Totally.
That's what's happening to Alex.
jordan holmes
That's what's happening right now.
He is getting scammed so hard and he doesn't even know it.
It's beautiful to watch.
dan friesen
And it's so much worse than you can even imagine.
Like, right now, this show, InfoWars, at this point, on this episode...
It turns into a Juness infomercial.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
The point is, is that this is a great sponsor for us.
It's a great business for you.
jordan holmes
It's not a sponsor.
alex jones
I have my own supplements.
I have my own products that are excellent as well.
And I go out and find out whatever the best is.
Well, this is something that comes up to the InfoWars Live standard.
dan friesen
Real quick, all the products in the InfoWars store are now on harsh discounts.
And some of that is pretty normal.
The Easter sale might still be in effect.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The Easter sale from six years ago.
dan friesen
They're really marked down.
A lot of stuff is.
And Alex, earlier in this episode, got on air and said that the situation with his...
What is it?
The iodine X2.
The survival shield X2.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The crystal iodine.
The deep earth iodine.
jordan holmes
The deep earth iodine.
dan friesen
He has on the website, if you go, it says this is the last shipment of this.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
Now, I know we've heard him say that before.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
But based on the fact that he is now bringing in this Juness multi-level marketing scheme, he's saying this is going to fund the operation.
I think that he's not working with Dr. Group anymore.
I think that probably a lot of the old products...
jordan holmes
You think Dr. Group has bailed?
dan friesen
Well, I would.
If I were him, his...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, he would absolutely bail.
dan friesen
He's diminishing like crazy.
He's a toxic brand.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Dr. Group sells detoxes.
So he doesn't want to get involved with the toxic brand.
jordan holmes
Pass.
dan friesen
So Alex probably...
jordan holmes
Minus one.
dan friesen
Well, Alex has a situation here where Dr. Group was very happy to be in this arrangement with him where he would rename products and let Alex sell them and take his cut of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But now that Alex's reach is so gone, he's not able to promote his products on YouTube, he's not able to promote his products on Facebook and Twitter and all these other places, what good is it for him to private label all this stuff that Alex isn't going to be able to sell?
jordan holmes
When was the last time Dr. Group was on?
dan friesen
I have no idea.
I think it's been a while.
I think it's been a little while.
You think so?
jordan holmes
I wonder if Dr. Group ever comes back.
dan friesen
Let me say that this is just a theory of mine.
I have nothing to back this up.
But the fact that Alex is again doing the this is the last X2 thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's not doing that in some way, like, in the past we've heard him say that to scare people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not saying it like that on this episode.
He's saying that this is probably the last run of X2 and, you know, get it if you want it.
That sort of thing.
Like, eh, we got some in the warehouse.
We gotta move it because we gotta get that Jeunesse product.
It's taking up space.
So I'm...
jordan holmes
And he was already running a multi-layer...
unidentified
InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, InfoWars Life or InfoWars Team or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that was sort of the secondary aspect to his operation.
He would never really sell that all that hard.
Like, he would just mention that you could get discounts if you joined the team.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But he wouldn't sit there and be like, now it would be great if you did that.
He was more interested in getting people on auto-ship so they would forget to cancel and then make that money.
jordan holmes
Auto-ship is the good stuff.
dan friesen
That was his...
Now it's Juness, baby.
Anyway.
alex jones
And is a powerful ally for us to be another Hydra head.
As they attack us, we're growing another head.
And it's Juness.
jordan holmes
It's InfoWarsYes.com.
alex jones
Conrad Padilla, please take over.
conrad padilla
When you look at all the products, Alex, basically it's called the Youth Enhancement System.
And basically what it means is that Every product here has solutions.
jordan holmes
It's like drinking children's blood.
conrad padilla
If you look at PM right here, this product here, 70% of Americans have sleep issues.
unidentified
No.
conrad padilla
70%.
No, come on.
People who have sleep issues.
I will tell you, this is probably my favorite product, only because it's hard for me to unwind.
I'm one of those people that just goes, goes, goes, goes.
And then, of course, the AM, what it does is energy-focused clarity.
But one of the products that you had talked about even was what's called Mind.
In fact, a lot of the guys in here are using Mind.
I mean, we live in a society right now where who doesn't have a cell phone and who's not exposed to technology literally all day long?
I mean, when was the last time you were with somebody and they're looking at their phone all the time?
And we live in a society where attention deficit disorder is like all over the place, right?
The Mind product, what it really does is it really helps with focus and it helps with memory.
I don't know about you, Alex, but sometimes what happens to you is like, sometimes I forget things really easy.
jordan holmes
Take your money and go!
alex jones
Well, they've got studies.
They give you so many false choices that aren't real choices.
You can only make so many decisions in a day before you degrade.
Any executive knows that.
And so, just like Sean Parker of Facebook said, he goes, we give you all these fake choices that release all your dopamine that don't matter.
We're stealing your time when you should not be making all those decisions this quick.
So, there's too many decisions we're being given.
Something like this boosts the cognitive ability to make more decisions.
conrad padilla
Right.
And then if you look at reserve...
dan friesen
What a pile of shit.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
This is heartbreaking.
dan friesen
I mean, even for Alex, this is depressing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you should just go away.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is...
jordan holmes
Just let this one go!
Look, you lost!
dan friesen
This is the sort of thing that will, like, kill his legacy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's gonna fuck over all of his listeners.
unidentified
Absolutely!
dan friesen
If they go along with this, they are going to blame him for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, quit!
Just right off into the sunset!
dan friesen
This is not the action of somebody who intends to be around for very long.
jordan holmes
Prudently invest!
dan friesen
Because this will catch up with you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
This is the sort of thing where listeners will sign up and they will end up losing a bunch of money or making none and losing it because they've had to pay into the system.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And then they're going to blame Alex and they're going to be, why did you steer us this direction, you son of a bitch?
This is a really bad thing.
But Alex, you know, like...
One of the big reasons that I think he stopped working with Dr. Group, or intends to in the future, is that list of products, they're all duplicates of products he already sells.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're the same shit.
dan friesen
It's all the exact same solutions that Alex already offers with the Global Healing Center products that he sells.
So I don't see a reason that he should have duplicate products.
They're only going to cannibalize each other.
If you want to sell something that will help with sleep, you sell PM or Knockout.
Now, a little bit later in this infomercial, Alex talks about how PM is better than Knockout.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
That leads me to believe, for sure, he's jumping ship on his old supplements.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is probably a smart thing to do, because you don't need the R&D.
You don't need the production capabilities.
You can cut costs on that end of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whatever he was chipping in to Dr. Group to develop the products, and whatever he was paying him for branding and licensing and stuff like that, maybe some of that goes away.
I don't know.
I don't know what kind of deal he's worked out with Juness, but it's probably a sweetheart deal.
But also, Juness is the only kind of company that'll probably get in bed with Alex now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That speaks volumes about both companies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So all this is bad.
I mean, it looks real bad.
jordan holmes
It's bad on a lot of levels.
dan friesen
But Alex wants you to know that this is not a multi-level marketing thing.
There's great products.
But unfortunately, within a minute, this same clip...
He then explains that it is a multi-level marketing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He contradicts himself within the course of a minute trying to sell this business.
alex jones
Our listeners need to know you guys are already one of the top companies worldwide.
unidentified
Really?
alex jones
You're now doing your big push in the U.S. I think people need to get fundamentally involved in this.
You guys are so successful.
And I was reading in the different perspectives online in Wall Street.
jordan holmes
What perspective?
alex jones
That you're doing something, because you're not an MLM company.
You're a skin care product, energy company, supplement, lifestyle, highest quality, with medical doctors designing it.
But you use MLM as the model, so folks get word of mouth, the most powerful thing in the universe, especially in the censorship paradigm.
And so you guys are set to dominate in the United States.
I'm just telling listeners, I told you America was about to be great again.
I told you Trump was about to get novice.
I mean, that's why they hate us, folks.
We know what's going on, and people need to go to InfowarsYes.com to be part of this, get great products, a great business model.
You don't have to be a business person.
You don't have to be a distributor to get the products.
You can buy them straight up or get discounts and get them.
But you guys have some deals where If people show real interest and involvement, you're doing something no direct marketing company has ever done.
jordan holmes
Right off into the sunset!
alex jones
So we're talking about the products, but also the business model is really the big product.
Independence, freedom, everything.
dan friesen
So he's saying that the big product is the business, the business model.
unidentified
Now I want to talk to you a little bit about Juness and why this is a big trouble.
dan friesen
So we already talked about how the owners and the founders of Juness also got in trouble for running a fraudulent MLM company before this.
But also according to Truth in Advertising, quote, to date, close to 50 complaints have been filed with the Florida Attorney General's Office and the Federal Trade Commission regarding Juness.
The vast majority of complaints concern problems with obtaining refunds and claims that Juness is a pyramid and or Ponzi scheme.
Juness is or has been involved in at least 16 lawsuits since its inception, including two class action lawsuits that allege the company is operating a pyramid scheme and engaging in racketeering activities.
This, to my assessment, Flag!
strongest possible way to jumpstart their business by purchasing a product package, which ranges in price from about $200 to $1,800.
Not surprisingly, many distributors are encouraged to buy the most expensive $1,800 package.
As one of their very successful operators, Kim Hui, explains, it's a no-brainer.
jordan holmes
Flag!
dan friesen
Because it temporarily catapults newbies four levels up the compensation structure.
jordan holmes
Super flag!
dan friesen
To the rank of Sapphire.
jordan holmes
Post flag!
If there's ranks based on gems, then you're fucking flagged, unless it's Steven Universe.
dan friesen
In addition to this, there's a $19.95 fee that is charged annually to keep you on the roster.
jordan holmes
Flag.
dan friesen
As well as a minimum of $85 a month you have to buy in product in order to be eligible for commissions or distributor discounts.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, flag.
dan friesen
That's almost $1,000 a year, not including the introductory packages that you have to pay for the privilege of annoying your friends.
And here's the issue.
As is pretty much always the case with businesses that are set up as multi-level marketing operations.
Their products are very expensive, so buying them yourself doesn't really make sense, but it starts to look more appealing when you consider the discount you'd be making if you were a distributor.
Agreeing to sell the products to your friends and family makes the products that were once too expensive for you come within your price range.
This is a very intentional strategy because businesses like Juness are not looking for customers to buy their products.
They're looking for people to become distributors because whether they succeed Wait, did he even do?
unidentified
She.
jordan holmes
She.
I apologize.
She even used the word linear.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
So what she is then suggesting that somebody doing something is in a straight line.
However...
If you have somebody at the top with multiple lines going down, that is almost some sort of triangle.
Or if you were to take it into a three-dimensional form, what would you describe it as, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't know if I could legally.
Also, trading time for money is kind of the basis of labor.
Anyway.
But this business model is about building distribution and about creating wealth.
And then the third thing we do is teach people how to teach other people.
And so that's when true duplication happens.
jordan holmes
That's the problem with colleges.
They don't have entrepreneurship classes, Dan.
dan friesen
That's a quote from her.
Now, another quote of hers makes things even more clear.
Quote, you know we as distributors, we get product at wholesale, and then when people buy it, they buy at retail.
So we get it.
unidentified
So.
So...
*laughter*
dan friesen
So, we get a little retail commission.
Now, that will be the smallest pay you ever get, okay?
jordan holmes
Because when somebody else buys it at retail.
dan friesen
I forget about retail commissions for me.
I'm not in this to sell product.
I'm here to build a global distribution.
So, it's very clear what the business is about.
jordan holmes
Why are you interviewing somebody who's giving up the game like that?
dan friesen
Because I think that was from, those quotes I think are from her giving a Juness pep talk lecture.
Yeah, of course.
So, here's where it gets really dangerous.
In 2014, 19.6% of distributors had an income of $0.
66% earned under $1,000, an average of $213.92.
Only 1.1% of all distributors made more than $5,000 on the whole year.
And when you consider that $85 monthly minimum that you have to buy to keep on board, which is almost $1,000 a year, even that 66% who earned under $1,000 a year are basically breaking even or still losing money.
And the 19.6% of people who had an income of zero from there are actually...
jordan holmes
Are losing several thousand dollars.
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
You know what's sad?
That is maybe the exact income structure of stand-up comedy.
dan friesen
In 2017, they disclosed their commission information from Canada, but other information since 2014 isn't publicly available, which is not a good sign.
But from Canada in 2017, we find that 83% of distributors made under $1,000, with 36.45% making nothing.
And again, none of those figures take into account the money that people are spending to get the product.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
So also, distributors get paid bonuses depending on what they sell their recruits in their first purchase.
If the new recruit buys the $200 basic package, the distributor gets $25.
If they buy the $500 supreme package, they get $100.
If they buy the $1,150 ambassador package, you get $250.
And if you think about that for a second, you'll realize...
That you would always want to get your recruits to sign up for the bigger package.
jordan holmes
Makes the most sense.
dan friesen
And you probably try and sway them to do it, even possibly using manipulative, dishonest practices.
Because you have an agenda.
You have a benefit from them buying the package that's the highest.
You can make much more money.
Now, obviously, whoever recruited you into becoming a distributor had that exact same agenda.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
And now, Alex does too.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
Unreal.
You know, for the longest time, I used to...
dan friesen
Do you think that his fucking listeners are going to have a better chance than these people who...
jordan holmes
Oh, good God, no. 19.6% make nothing off this?
unidentified
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
And just get screwed?
Or, I mean, the other side of it is you don't become a distributor, and then a lot of these fucking products are over $140 for some sort of, like, skincare cream or something like that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You could get something as good for almost...
Nothing.
Comparatively, just go to fucking Walgreens.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Something like that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Or even go buy a boutique one for like 40 bucks.
Save 100.
Easy.
jordan holmes
Go to town.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is ridiculous.
It's very disgraceful.
And I'm...
Like, I hate Alex Jones.
I've spent two years of my life talking about how he's an asshole.
I feel bad.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
I feel bad for him now.
Like, not pity.
It's not pity.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
It's disgust.
Yeah!
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's definitely at least in the neighborhood of disgust.
Like, I know I've always been disgusted by his racial rhetoric and stuff like that, but in terms of the business stuff, I always were kind of charmed by it.
Like, he seems like a rapscallion in many ways.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
With his, like, all the ad pivots that we laugh at all the time.
Like, it's embarrassing, it's desperate, but there's kind of an art to it.
jordan holmes
The grift is an art.
The pyramid scheme is just...
It's just a bummer.
It's like debasing oneself.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And it's subservient in many ways.
jordan holmes
I'm willing to sell out all of my friends and family so that the guy who sold me on this makes more money.
And then the guy that sold him on that makes more money.
But at the end of the day, I am giving up everything for way less than I should.
dan friesen
For Alex, it's not your friends and family.
It's your audience.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's not selling this to his wife's Tupperware party friends or whatever.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Which, by the way, we are about to launch our new Knowledge Fight Tupperware line.
dan friesen
I was going to wait until the end of the episode.
jordan holmes
It's really great.
What you do is you open up one side of it, you burp it, and then it...
I don't know how Tupperware works.
Does it work well?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is Tupperware good?
dan friesen
I'm very distracted because half of one of my eyes is going blurry.
Not sure why that is.
Not sure if I should be afraid of this.
jordan holmes
Just talking about Tupperware will do that to a lot of people.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
jordan holmes
We also have a line of makeup.
You can drive around in a pink Corvette, sell makeup.
dan friesen
We're going to dismount on this here in a little bit, but before we do, we have two more clips that are just a bummer and disheartening.
Well, actually, the last one is.
This one isn't.
This one is, Alex, revealing a little bit too much and I think raises a bunch of very serious questions.
jordan holmes
My neck is actually 22 inches wide.
alex jones
Folks, I've been offered hundreds of millions of dollars just for more.
To support cryptocurrencies.
And I get they're real, and I get that they're just like the, you know, our government has a fiat currency.
I've never taken any sponsorship from it because I can't figure it out, and I can't guarantee there's not a pump and dump like you see cryptocurrencies down 80% this month.
So I could have financed everything off of cryptocurrencies and literally defeated Soros and the globalists, but I couldn't be sure.
You are going to get a good product.
These are highest rated.
These I know are good.
So bare minimum, you become a distributor.
You get discounts.
You sign up a few family members.
It pays for what you get each month.
Then you sign up 100 members and you make a million dollars a year.
The point is that I feel good at a gut level promoting Jeunesse at InfoWarsYes.com.
dan friesen
God damn it, that's sad.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, Dan, we can never do...
We can never do present day again.
He's a multi-level marketing scheme guy now.
Andy, that's crazy.
I don't know if I've ever heard of a pyramid scheme that had a radio...
You've never heard a radio host who's personally selling Avon.
dan friesen
I imagine it might have happened, but yeah, I can't think of an example.
jordan holmes
This is bananas.
dan friesen
It's pretty wild.
jordan holmes
This is a guy who's literally at the lowest he could possibly be.
Alex in 2009 was not making anywhere near as much.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And even that Alex would have been like, for real.
Pyramid scheme?
dan friesen
There's got to be a better way.
jordan holmes
You want me to jump into pyramid scheme?
I'm selling jeans that might be the right size.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
I'm fine with that.
Dan, if we sold jeans that could be the right size sometimes, that's better for me than if we were part of a pyramid scheme.
dan friesen
I think I would probably veto that.
jordan holmes
I know you would.
I'm talking comparatively.
dan friesen
This is weird.
This is actually now both of my eyes.
I'm very concerned about this.
jordan holmes
No, you've been dead for six weeks.
dan friesen
I might be going blind.
jordan holmes
No, you are.
dan friesen
I pray that I'm not, because I don't know how to read Braille.
jordan holmes
Well, maybe next time.
dan friesen
That would really slow down this podcast.
jordan holmes
That would really screw up our multi-level marketing scheme.
dan friesen
Definitely.
So I think that you're missing one of the big points in that clip, and that is that Alex has been offered hundreds of millions of dollars to promote cryptocurrencies, which I don't think is true.
I think he's exaggerating.
But also, who's offering you that money, Alex?
Who?
jordan holmes
Don't worry.
dan friesen
Who's offering you that money, Alex?
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
And he's even recognizing in there that a lot of these are pump and dump schemes.
Yes.
Yes, Alex.
Yes.
And you know who's running them based on who is trying to get you to promote them.
Because Alex Jones promoting it would be the pump part of the dump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The pump that leads to the dump.
jordan holmes
And if Alex were to promote those, he would be the one who would get dumped upon.
dan friesen
No, his listeners would.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
Because he would be let in on when to sell.
jordan holmes
Do you think he would?
I think that's why he's more susceptible to the pyramid scheme.
dan friesen
Maybe he thinks that those people would screw him over in the last minute or something.
jordan holmes
No, it's the weirdest part of this scam, the scam being scammed on the scammer, is that because he doesn't actually understand Bitcoin, cryptocurrency, he wasn't willing to jump in on the ground full of the scam.
But this scam...
Is supplements.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's like, this is my scam.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
You're just giving me a new way to scam my scam.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And he doesn't understand that he's the one who's part of the scam now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or he's the one who's being scammed in the scam.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I said scam a lot in a very short period of time.
dan friesen
Well, it's multi-level scam.
You know, people are getting it different degrees.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The Jeunesse folks must be, like, jerking off over the fact that they, look, we're...
dan friesen
This guy's got a warehouse.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So we have one more clip.
And in this clip, I agree with you.
I don't think we can talk about the present day much anymore.
I think this is going to be too much of a bummer.
And Alex is just a pathetic shell of a man.
Between his going back on federal troops at the border, that sort of shit, the just flagrant racism that's throughout this episode.
jordan holmes
This is brutal.
dan friesen
And then the end reveal of now we're doing multi-level marketing.
Please sign up, all this stuff.
I think this next clip really is the...
The evolution of him as a Pokemon, if you will, into his true form now.
jordan holmes
Into a Venusaur?
dan friesen
Which is, like, legitimately, this clip represents Alex Jones literally selling his audience to Juness.
alex jones
And the way you sell this is to other Trump supporters, people that want the economy to grow, people that are on the bandwagon of Renaissance.
You say, hey, Alex Jones is a patriot.
His info is great.
These are high-rated...
Cosmetics and high-rated supplements.
You should get this to support InfoWars and see how great they are and just buy it once.
And then they're going to be hooked because it's so good.
Now you're making money.
The show's making money.
We're defeating the globalists.
They're getting good products.
And then you go, oh, become a distributor under me.
conrad padilla
Well, think about it.
How many of us right now, you know, like there's a new Apple phone coming out, right?
There's a new Apple phone coming out.
jordan holmes
Is that what they call the Apple phone?
alex jones
It'll be $1,400.
conrad padilla
Yeah.
Okay, so people are going to go out and say, hey, look at my new phone.
How much are you getting paid?
alex jones
Tell folks about the New Deal.
conrad padilla
So, right now, what they have going right now is if you become a preferred customer, you can get up to 25% off the products.
unidentified
This is dumb.
conrad padilla
Right?
You get 25% off of the products if you become a preferred customer.
If you want to get up to 40% off, then you pay a one-time membership fee, which is $49.95 or something like that.
And you can get all the products for up to 40% off.
alex jones
And that's like Costco.
You save the money one time.
conrad padilla
That's right.
That's right.
But what's great about this is you pay it.
Costco, you've got to pay every year.
alex jones
This is one time.
conrad padilla
You pay this one time.
alex jones
Same thing with Sam's, right?
It's every year.
conrad padilla
Yeah, you pay it every year.
So most people that are out there, they want the most discount, which is 40% off of these products.
alex jones
And again, Walmart does that because they want your commitment.
They're going to give you the best deal.
They want you to put a ring on.
They want the commitment.
Well, I want your commitment.
I want to defeat Soros.
My God, these are great products.
They're the best out there.
Keep going.
conrad padilla
Yeah, so if you look at the products, for example, with all of them, every single product on average that you're going to be able to use here, some of them work right away.
Like, if you look at Instantly Ages for bags underneath the eyes, who in the world wants bags under the eyes, male or female?
I mean, this works within a couple of minutes, literally.
In fact, we're going to get Alex, I think, to do it.
alex jones
I've just been too busy.
No, here's the thing.
I know all this stuff works.
I've tried it.
I just need to do it.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Goodbye, Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Goodbye.
jordan holmes
This is heartbreaking.
dan friesen
That's curtains.
jordan holmes
This is really heartbreaking for me.
dan friesen
I mean, the way he's selling his audience up the river, basically, like what you have here, like I said already in the episode, his audience is going to fare exactly as well as the average Juness distributor does.
jordan holmes
They're going to fare way worse than that.
dan friesen
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say as well, because it's terrible average already.
Right?
Oh, man.
You don't have to assume they're going to do worse for it to be bad for them.
They're gonna blame Alex, and he deserves it, because he just sold them to Juness.
jordan holmes
Well, what he's gonna try and do is get them to blame the globalists for it.
dan friesen
All he did is transmute all of his audience's attention that he has left.
Whatever hasn't been chipped away, he just took that and said, Juness, will you buy this?
Will you buy the credibility that I have left with my audience?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
in order to get them to try and maybe sign up for your thing through a website that is called Infowars.
Yes, so they'll still think it has the Alex Jones credibility that they believe to it.
Yep.
I don't know how you can get it back once it goes bad for so many people, because it's going to.
I don't know what you can do.
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
I've resisted saying this is the end for Alex so many times, but I can see this going down a direction where he can't recover from that.
jordan holmes
See, now, but this is what I think is fascinating about the multi-level marketing scheme being applied to Alex, is that...
For the first time, again, I don't know a radio host or Tucker Carlson isn't fucking part of Avon or whatever it is.
I've never seen this before wherein the blame can be shifted so easily to the fucking globalists or whatever.
dan friesen
I don't see that.
jordan holmes
I don't see it being possible either, but his listeners are fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Generally, but I don't think once they start losing the...
Scant amounts of money that they put into this, I don't see a way that they can't think, hey, Alex, why did you...
And then they start researching, they start looking into other reviews of the company.
jordan holmes
If you're an Alex Jones listener, you're not researching a goddamn thing.
dan friesen
Generally not, but if some company...
You lose a bunch of money and you realize you got caught up in a basically exploitative business relationship.
I think you might look and see, did this happen to a bunch of other people?
And then when you see that, yes, it does.
And Alex has every reason to know the exact same percentages that I read to you that are real, that are from disclosures from Juness themselves.
Alex has to know that.
And the fact that he's still trying to get his customers, his listeners, who are customers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's still trying to get them on board with it means that he's fine with the idea that 80% of them are going to get fucked by this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I've never seen a pyramid scheme applied to a cause.
That's the fascinating thing about this.
dan friesen
I think there has been.
jordan holmes
No, I'm sure, but it's never like, if you don't buy these knives, then the globalists win.
Like, I've never heard that sales pitch for a pyramid scheme.
Like, this is kind of brilliant in a certain way.
dan friesen
It's not, because that sales pitch is going to work on Alex's audience, and it's not going to work the next step, which is the audience trying to sell it to other people.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, of course not.
Absolutely not.
No, it's going to be a disaster for them.
dan friesen
The audience can't get their friends and family to listen to Alex's show and believe that he's right.
There's no way they're going to be able to use Alex's rhetoric to sell them products they don't need.
It's going to be a disaster for them.
jordan holmes
But who gives a shit about them?
I mean, obviously...
dan friesen
Eventually it's going...
jordan holmes
Obviously human beings do, but Alex doesn't.
dan friesen
Eventually there's going to be blowback.
There's going to eventually be...
jordan holmes
But that's the insulation that Alex has that other pyramid schemes don't have, is that...
The blowback has to go towards someone else.
It doesn't go back to Infowars.
It goes back to the globalists.
It goes back to the liberals.
The liberals are the reason that you're not selling enough, Dan.
dan friesen
I think because of the economic consequences that are going to come to his listeners.
They're going to treat it differently than the obfuscating that Alex can do in general cases.
I don't think that he's going to be able to weasel out of this, but who knows?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
The Republicans consistently weasel out of a $2 trillion tax cut for the rich.
dan friesen
I understand that, and I don't know.
My predictions are generally off, so who fucking knows?
jordan holmes
Who fucking knows?
dan friesen
The point is, my eye is really starting to freak me out, so we've got to end this show.
Because I think I'm going blind.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website that other people can view, but Dan cannot right now.
dan friesen
Well, I can for now, but we'll see when I wake up tomorrow.
This is going on when I wake up tomorrow.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
jordan holmes
We got some trouble.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it probably won't be.
I'll probably sleep at all.
jordan holmes
You're going to be fine.
dan friesen
But it's fucking really weird right now.
jordan holmes
You've had a lot of caffeine and you just drank a kickstart and all that shit.
dan friesen
I 100% believe that's what's causing it.
But it's still fucking with my head.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We also have a Twitter account.
It's at knowledge underscore fake.
jordan holmes
You go to Facebook!
dan friesen
Yep, we have a group there called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
That's where you should go.
jordan holmes
It's really great.
I jump in and out of the group every now and again.
The most amazing thing to me is whenever somebody just shows up and is like...
I just found this show, and I'm part of the group now.
dan friesen
Or people are like, hey, everybody's so nice here.
It feels good to be a part of it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And for all of you, I just say that if you sign up for the high membership package, then you don't have to pay the normal fees that most people do to get into the group.
dan friesen
Or you can just subscribe on iTunes, check us out, leave a review if you like, that sort of thing.
jordan holmes
If you sign up 15 other subscribers.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Then you get a discount on your own podcast.
dan friesen
I think my eye is getting better.
It's starting to wear off.
jordan holmes
We're good.
dan friesen
Oh my god!
jordan holmes
I've been blind my entire fucking life.
I've been wearing contacts since I was six years old.
I've been goddamn blind.
Screw you for having a little bit of blurry vision.
If I take my contacts out, I can't walk down the street, Dan!
dan friesen
You don't know what this was.
It looked like a dragon in the corner of my eye.
jordan holmes
It was very terrifying.
dan friesen
I didn't want to talk about it while it was still there.
jordan holmes
That's some Eddie Page shit right there.
dan friesen
I didn't want to talk about it while it was still there.
unidentified
Oh, that red dragon is coming around.
jordan holmes
Wait, it's back?
Red Dragon?
dan friesen
No.
Sort of.
This is really troubling.
I shouldn't have brought it up.
jordan holmes
Dude, you just have floaters.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know, but it's more severe than generally.
And it was sort of getting worse.
That was really freaky.
I'm sorry.
We need to talk more about this.
But yeah, leave a review on iTunes.
Check us out on Facebook, on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, do it!
dan friesen
But, Alex...
jordan holmes
Is there something important we should know about this pyramid scheme loving motherfucker?
unidentified
I almost feel like this is worse.
dan friesen
But...
Something else that he's done that might not be as bad as selling out his audience is Alex probably killed a dude.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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