Today, Dan tells Jordan all about how bored he is about Alex Jones in the modern day. In order to deal with Alex's stupid takes on the news of the day, the gents go off on a lot of sidetracks, a couple tangents, and a little talk about Scatman John.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| What up? | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Hey, welcome back. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| If you were a prospective Supreme Court justice nominee, and you're... | ||
| Talking about Andrew Napolitano? | ||
| I was thinking of him. | ||
| I was actually thinking of Judge Jeanine. | ||
| Judge Jeanine Pirro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wapner. | ||
| And everything that you thought ever was wrong. | ||
| Like, from the moment you were born to the present day, you are the dumbest motherfucking pile of garbage in the history of the world, right? | ||
| But... | ||
| You needed a podcast to bring you back to the correct form of thinking. | ||
| Dan, what podcast would you recommend? | ||
| And, follow-up question, how would you describe it? | ||
| I would say, perhaps, you should listen to Improv for Humans, starring Matt Besser. | ||
| It's not a bad one. | ||
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Kill some time with guys just fucking around. | |
| Very funny show with some good musical guests. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| Secondarily, maybe I would say listen to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| That's our show where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Glad to have you back. | ||
| I was listening back to the episode that I did with Marty DeRosa. | ||
| First of all, a big thank you to him. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Thanks for filling in, Marty. | ||
| You're a delight. | ||
| Nothing wrong with hanging out with him and having some fun talking about how... | ||
| Maybe dumb Rowdy Roddy Piper was. | ||
| I was going over it and there were a bunch of times that there were... | ||
| It's just because Marty doesn't know as much about this world, there are parts where there's something funny that you and I would have screamed about and just didn't get to scream. | ||
| Like when he had his caller who was like, I'm married into the They Live family. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| If we'd heard that clip, it would have been outrageous. | ||
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What? | |
| What? | ||
| But... | ||
| This is my long way of saying I'm glad you're back. | ||
| Marty's so much happier than either of us, so you've got to give him that. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I don't think there's a one-to-one there, but the correlation definitely suggests that there's something. | ||
| He doesn't see fit to subject himself to this bullshit so constantly to the point where you're inundated with it and now you've created a guard where things are funny. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Or infuriating or simultaneously both. | ||
| Dismal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So today, Jordan, what I wanted to do is I wanted to... | ||
| I didn't know what I wanted to do, to be honest, like in terms of an episode. | ||
| Sweary Carrie Cassidy hasn't put out any new work, so there's nothing really to talk about on the Project Camelot front. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I thought that it was too, you know... | ||
| I feel like we do have an obligation to talk about present-day stuff, and so I wanted to cover present-day stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I got sidetracked listening to Monday's episode. | ||
| I went down two roads that were useless. | ||
| On Sunday, Alex Jones put out a special report where he responded to Joe Rogan responding to him. | ||
| And I was just like, ugh. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| I'm glad that your reaction is exactly the same as mine. | ||
| Guys, just piss already. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Stop this. | ||
| What are you, feuding? | ||
| How old are you people? | ||
| I think Joe Rogan's trying to escape from the back and forth of it, but Alex doesn't want to, because he knows that Joe Rogan's much more popular than him. | ||
| Eh, he can go fuck himself. | ||
| They can both go fuck themselves. | ||
| I agree. | ||
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I agree. | |
| I think that this is an alien predator situation. | ||
| No matter who wins in this argument, we all lose. | ||
| Humanity loses. | ||
| And so I listened to that, and I was just like, I was overwhelmed by how little I cared. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I was like, we can't go over this. | ||
| This is useless. | ||
| And so then I was looking around. | ||
| I saw that Monday's episode he had a guest on called Yo Mama's Chest Hair. | ||
| That sounds promising. | ||
| It sounds amazing. | ||
| It sounds incredible. | ||
| And so I listened and I was like, oh, this is just like a Hispanic blogger who likes Trump. | ||
| This isn't good. | ||
| I thought it was going to be something crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's just taken her name from a line in Mean Girls, which I think might be an indication that she missed the point of that movie. | ||
| That's wrong. | ||
| That's just bad. | ||
| You're just bad at that. | ||
| I'm not even mad at the whole Trump thing. | ||
| Let's start with Mean Girls, lady. | ||
| We've got to get to the beginning of this. | ||
| I think, quite honestly, if you're naming yourself after a Mean Girls character... | ||
| Or something that's said in Mean Girls and you're a Trump supporter, you need to think about things a little bit. | ||
| You need to reconsider the messages that movies are trying to get through. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the Holocaust denialism of reviewing Mean Girls. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| That's rewriting the Civil War to make Mean Girls. | ||
| It was actually about female empowerment. | ||
| Mean Girls was about tariffs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I understand. | ||
| Too bad Lincoln had to die at the end. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's not much about Monday that's worth a damn. | ||
| Or worth us talking about. | ||
| You sound like Garfield. | ||
| Oh man, I hate Monday. | ||
| So, this would be Monday the 9th of July, and I just have two clips that I'm going to play from this episode, because these are fucking, like, these are really scary things. | ||
| So, Alex has a guest on named Stan Deo, who's a guy who I guess he has on a lot. | ||
| I've heard his name before. | ||
| He's supposed to be on to talk about the volcanoes in Hawaii, and how the Ring of Fire is about to explode. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think he's an actual volcanologist, because every time Alex has talked to a real one, they've told him, eh, calm down. | ||
| So, this guy seems more like a Christian fundamentalist. | ||
| They can be volcanologists too, Dan. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| They can be. | ||
| It's a tough combo. | ||
| It's the red dragon. | ||
| It's a tough combo. | ||
| The seventh seal will open and then Hawaii explodes. | ||
| That's just science. | ||
| He talks about how him and his family pray for Trump twice a day and stuff. | ||
| Okay, well then he's not a real volcanologist. | ||
| No, and then he says this, which leads me to believe that this guy is a grade A, number one piece of shit. | ||
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That's the Juan de Fuca plate, and it is like 55 years now overdue for a massive 9-point-plus earthquake, creating tidal waves and a lot of damage on the shore. | |
| So yes, it is overdue, and we need to be conscious of that. | ||
| I've got to tell you, California, their vote, I wouldn't mind losing their political votes at the moment. | ||
| If the earthquakes happen and break it up into islands, like they say, they'll be so busy surviving that they won't be able to. | ||
| It influenced the election so much the way they have been. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| It is funny, though, that it's the big anti-American state now, and it's the one even mainline geologists say might disappear. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| As well do movies, like Escape from L.A. That's what the fucking... | ||
| Do you realize we live in the plot of Escape from L.A. right now? | ||
| We live in like the... | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| It's so close. | ||
| If California breaks off, we will have a fundamentalist Christian lunatic running... | ||
| I mean, he doesn't believe it, but a collection of them running the fucking country. | ||
| They're going to turn it into a fucking nightmare. | ||
| You clearly... | ||
| I'm going to have to remove one of your eyes. | ||
| Because you're Snake Plissken all over the place. | ||
| Oh yeah, there's no doubt. | ||
| The hair, the beard. | ||
| You've got this covered, Dan. | ||
| We need you to get to LA. | ||
| And I don't mind you taking out one of my eyes because they're cross. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Take your pick. | ||
| Look, I would say that my bigger point is that Stan Deo is a pile of shit. | ||
| for wishing a nine-point earthquake to hit California in order to get them to stop voting'cause it'll be too busy surviving. | ||
| Too busy surviving. | ||
| Now you hear Alex come in right after that. | ||
| He doesn't rebuke that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Isn't that funny that the state that's the most our enemy is the one that they say might-Anti-American. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, you know what he's saying. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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A lot of minorities there. | |
| A very nice melting pot going on. | ||
| But, like, the thing that I really want to drive home, and this is the most important thing, is that this is on the same show that constantly talks about how shitty it is that Rob Reiner wants to punch Trump or something like that. | ||
| That's the worst. | ||
| He's talking about the media creating these images of violence against their enemies. | ||
| He's having a guy on who says that he wants a nine-point earthquake to hit California because he doesn't like how they vote. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's a huge scale version of Robert De Niro or Rob Reiner saying they don't like Trump or some shit like that. | ||
| Alex doesn't rebuke it, which is what he is responsible to do in this situation if he wants any intellectual credibility. | ||
| He's saying he wants a rock movie to happen to only his political enemies. | ||
| Oh man, you know the level of death. | ||
| That would happen if a nine-point earthquake hit in California. | ||
| It would be in the millions. | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| But high five figures, probably, I would say. | ||
| Probably in the five figures. | ||
| I don't know, a nine-point. | ||
| Also, that's another reason he is not a real volcanologist. | ||
| People do not use the Richter scale seriously anymore. | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| Not actual scientists. | ||
| I don't know any volcanologists. | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
| I can't help you with that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But, you know, 9.5 is the highest that's ever been rated. | ||
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Right. | |
| That was like in 1966, I think. | ||
| Here's how bad that is to me. | ||
| I advocate violence. | ||
| Which we've got to get you to stop. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I do. | ||
| But it's targeted at... | ||
| People who are causing the problem. | ||
| In the same way... | ||
| Stan Dayo believes that all these people who vote Democrat, they're all causing the problem. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, it's all of them. | ||
| It's just everybody. | ||
| You get rid of California's liberal leaning and then the whole country changes, baby. | ||
| That's such the way they fucking think, though. | ||
| It's such the way that they fucking... | ||
| You take the inhumanity out of it and it's accurate. | ||
| I think we would at least delay the vote. | ||
| If we were still trying to repair... | ||
| It's not like California would be left on its own to fix it. | ||
| The entire country... | ||
| Nah, it's on you. | ||
| ...would also, one, economically shut down. | ||
| It would be a disaster. | ||
| Our economy would go away. | ||
| A lot of ports. | ||
| Yeah, California... | ||
| A lot of ports. | ||
| California is, what, by itself the fifth largest economy in the world or something like that? | ||
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Something like that. | |
| I don't remember the number, but that's close. | ||
| If anything bad happens to California, Stan Deo, you don't get to eat. | ||
| So go fuck yourself. | ||
| Oh, yeah, there's a whole lot of... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that guy sucks a lot. | ||
| That guy sucks a lot. | ||
| He is a disaster, and Alex loves him. | ||
| And also, I forgot to mention this, he has just gone and found the Garden of Eden, which Alex is going to have him back on to discuss. | ||
| So he's a biblical literalist. | ||
| Is Swearie Carey going to be there as well? | ||
| If we're in Garden of Eden territory, we might as well fucking roll the dice on that. | ||
| So I've mentioned a couple times that I'm doing a very large-scale project that I can't really get into all the details of. | ||
| But I will tell you that it involves doing a lot of research on some of the individuals involved with Alex Jones and his world. | ||
| And I just recently did a deep dive on Dr. Group. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| And I found that he is a member of a group. | ||
| I don't like them using the word scientific. | ||
| Ooh, it's not. | ||
| There's a lot of Sasquatch. | ||
| There's a lot of UFOs. | ||
| If you're a fake doctor, you can't have scientific anywhere near your name. | ||
| He's a real doctor, but doctor of chiropractic. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But that's also a fake doctor, isn't it? | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| The reason I bring this up is they have a journal that they put out, the Scientific Exploration Society, right? | ||
| They have a journal, and I found their archives, and I've read a bunch of them. | ||
| Dear science, we hope to find you someday. | ||
| They're so amazing, because they're like these scholarly written articles that make crazy leaps of logic that are like... | ||
| This would not work in undergraduate classes. | ||
| It's written with the form of a scholarly peer-reviewed paper, like it has an abstract up top. | ||
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Great. | |
| You have the format down, everything. | ||
| But then you read it and you're like, hold on, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Because there's like telepathy, Sasquatch. | ||
| Okay, hold on. | ||
| Telekinesis. | ||
| I think it's really fun to read. | ||
| So it looks like there's a peer-reviewed paper about the magic in the Harry Potter universe being real. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I read an article recently about how you can use runes and five different poets' works to discern the identity of William Shakespeare. | ||
| Oh, I thought you could use them to enhance your sword in The Witcher 3. That is forthcoming in the channel. | ||
| So the reason I bring this up is it's another important parallel between Swery Carey, Project Camelot, and Alex Jones. | ||
| You know who's one of the associate editors of the Society of Scientific Exploration? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Remote viewer extraordinaire Courtney Brown. | ||
| So... | ||
| They're all con men! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Or insane. | ||
| These guys are insane. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think they are trying to con some shit, too. | ||
| Oh, also, that's another thing I found out, was that the Farsight Institute that Courtney Brown runs is simultaneously not-for-profit and for-profit. | ||
| He has a slightly different name for the incorporated for-profit organization. | ||
| Wait, you can't do that! | ||
| He clearly just funnels a bunch of stuff to the for-profit. | ||
| You can't do that! | ||
| Or hides it in the non-profit. | ||
| Isn't that illegal? | ||
| That has to be illegal! | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You can't have a business that's like, eh, you know, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Nonprofit. | ||
| I think you can to some extent. | ||
| Like, I think there are ways you can do that. | ||
| But when your whole thing is about, like, I'm going to trick people into thinking I was in Hitler's mind and I can tell you what he thought in his last moments, then I think you're probably up to some shit. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| The oversight is a... | ||
| For-profit business. | ||
| You're talking about Oversai, which is the non-for-profit. | ||
| Everybody knows the difference between that. | ||
| That's my bad. | ||
| That happens all the time. | ||
| So we have a concrete connection in Dr. Group being a member of the same organization that Courtney Brown is one of the associate editors of the Journal of, which is an interesting one-to-one parallel between them. | ||
| And then we have this Stan Dayo dickhole who also is making a documentary or writing a book about finding the Garden of Eden. | ||
| So we have enough. | ||
| That guy belongs on Project... | ||
| He needs a 9.5 earthquake up his ass. | ||
| Yeah, you said it. | ||
| Let's get him. | ||
| So then, on Monday, the only other clip, I think this is very scary, Alex Jones, he has this guy named Dan Lyman on, and before you say it... | ||
| I didn't say anything. | ||
| He is not... | ||
| I didn't say anything! | ||
| He is not a 7-Up... | ||
| No, Sprite? | ||
| Who was it? | ||
| Dan Lyman? | ||
| Their advertisements were the delicious taste of Lyman. | ||
| Oh! | ||
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Lime and Lime? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I think Ernest was in them. | ||
| Nikki Gifts, my old roommate, used to say the delicious taste of Lyman all the time. | ||
| Ernest P. Worrell? | ||
| That's the one. | ||
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All right. | |
| You'd always say, hey, Vern. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get some Lyman. | ||
| You know what I mean, Vern? | ||
| Know what I mean? | ||
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Yep. | |
| So Dan Lyman is the European editor of Infowars, the website. | ||
| So I don't know why. | ||
| They're allowed in Europe? | ||
| I don't know why it couldn't just be Paul Joseph Watson or his fake brother Steve, who are already over there. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I forgot about Steve P.J. Watson. | ||
| It could be him. | ||
| He's already in Europe. | ||
| Now you've got Dan Lyman, who's the European editor. | ||
| P.J. isn't in mainland Europe, though. | ||
| I assume this guy is in mainland. | ||
| He's on the Isle. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| Actually, I think he's in Scandinavia. | ||
| But be that as it may... | ||
| Still Europe. | ||
| I don't give a shit where he is or anything, because he seems like a little bit of a crazy dude. | ||
| And here is Alex saying some real fucked up stuff about what he thinks Western culture really... | ||
| And then Dan Lyman saying some other really scary shit about Europe. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I know why there's such a cultural, historic memory in Eastern Europe. | ||
| That's over 100 Islamic invasions took place. | ||
| And then after that, the Nazis came in and the Russians came in. | ||
| They've been through so many invasions there and the whole crossroads of the world that they know and they understand what's happened before. | ||
| And they understand that... | ||
| The whole ethos of their nations was defeating the Islamic invasions. | ||
| You know, when I was in college, they taught that we invaded in the Crusades, and Hollywood movies show that. | ||
| Ridley Scott, you know, makes these movies. | ||
| No, they invaded us for 300 years before we turned the tide when they almost took Germany and Poland and then had to do La Reconquista in Spain, everywhere. | ||
| We didn't invade the Muslims. | ||
| And so that's just the reality. | ||
| We land on Plymouth Rock. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And that's really the importance of getting these people in power, like Viktor Orban, Matteo Salvini. | ||
| They will invoke the true history once they have the platform and they have the support of the people. | ||
| And then at that point, I think it would be a lot harder to get them out for the EU folks. | ||
| And as we keep installing more and more of them in Austria now, we have a great government there in Austria. | ||
| They do have their work cut out for them. | ||
| But they're there. | ||
| So now they have the support of the people. | ||
| The movement continues to grow. | ||
| You have Salvini. | ||
| He wants to kind of be the figurehead of that. | ||
| It's going to create a huge problem for Brussels. | ||
| I think it's starting to basically fracture the entire political spectrum in Europe. | ||
| I unfortunately agree with that last sentence. | ||
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Yep. | |
| It is doing a real number on the political unity of Europe. | ||
| Also, I would question why anybody would want to make themselves the figurehead of a league of leagues of nationalist countries. | ||
| Well, you've got to be. | ||
| You want to have sovereignty? | ||
| Seems like internationalism sneaking its little head in. | ||
| You get sovereignty. | ||
| Also, a little bit, at another point, this Dan Lyman starts talking about how even in Sweden, the Sweden Democrats are starting to make some inroads. | ||
| And I'd just like to read you here this little piece. | ||
| The Sweden Democrats have, among all Swedish parliamentary parties, had the largest share of elected municipal representatives resign since the 2010 elections, 27.8%. | ||
| Many of these resignations were brought on by racist statements or actions by these representatives. | ||
| In November 2012, party spokesman Eric Almquist resigned after he'd been caught on tape making racist and sexist statements. | ||
| Another video later surfaced showing how Almquist, in addition to party spokesman, Ah! | ||
| I wonder why they didn't like him. | ||
| There are so many more examples of this, too. | ||
| In March 2013, 12 individuals were thrown out of the party for their involvement in neo-Nazi and other extremist movements. | ||
| It's just crazy. | ||
| The Sweden Democrats, from their beginning, the party has its roots in Swedish fascism and was part of the white supremacy neo-Nazi movement through the early 1990s. | ||
| You get the sense of what they're talking about. | ||
| Alex is saying in that clip, That the sort of foundation of Western identity in these European countries is the repulsion of Muslims. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's what gives them their cultural identity. | ||
| They've been invaded so many times. | ||
| That's a fucking scary thing to think. | ||
| No, here's what I think immediately upon listening to this is, when you look back at the history of the United States around, what, 1937 through 1941? | ||
| Where you see people actively saying, like, no, Hitler's gonna be great. | ||
| He's not gonna be great, but he's not gonna be that bad. | ||
| And a lot of people. | ||
| And you look back at that as a shameful part of American history. | ||
| I look at the other countries now not invading us as a shameful part of their history. | ||
| Like, in all honesty. | ||
| Because what else was that little rant but them saying that... | ||
| All of European history has been white people. | ||
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All of it. | |
| And they have been invaded by brown people. | ||
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You nailed it. | |
| And finally, for the first time, we're telling the true history, which is that white people... | ||
| Are all Europe. | ||
| And they're always the victim. | ||
| Everybody who is not white is invading. | ||
| They're aggressors. | ||
| Everybody who lives there now. | ||
| Because guess what? | ||
| How do you feel about the government in Austria right now, Dan? | ||
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Love it. | |
| I'll tell you. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| I'll tell you how you feel about it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| They want all white people. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| That's what they literally... | ||
| That's their stated goal. | ||
| Like, we're fighting literal Nazis. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Like, shouldn't we... | ||
| We know what they're doing. | ||
| We know what they're going to do. | ||
| We can skip to the end. | ||
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Yeah, can't we skip to the end where we have to kill them all? | |
| Like, can't we just skip to the... | ||
| I just want to skip past this part where everybody pretends it's not happening and everybody is acting like, no, something will save us. | ||
| Skip to the end. | ||
| We're already in a civil war. | ||
| Let's just fucking do it. | ||
| Let's get it over with. | ||
| Snap, snap. | ||
| Yeah, you're sounding like Alex. | ||
| We're already in a civil war. | ||
| We are! | ||
| They are! | ||
| We're the ones who are living in a civil existence. | ||
| They're the ones who are fighting a war. | ||
| And they've been winning for the past 15 years. | ||
| It's insane! | ||
| It's fucking insane! | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| It's insane! | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Can't we? | |
| I just don't want to be doing this anymore. | ||
| I just don't want to do this shit anymore. | ||
| It is a little insufferable, and that's kind of why I like the past more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I almost wanted to just do the Henry Rollins interview when he accidentally was on InfoWars. | ||
| That was a wild time. | ||
| We'll do that soon. | ||
| That would have been fun. | ||
| You know, we have a responsibility. | ||
| There's a lot going on in the world now, and I think we do have a responsibility to check in with the modern times. | ||
| We see on Monday Stan Deo being a wild piece of shit. | ||
| We see Dan Lyman and Alex commiserating and celebrating the idea of fascist movement. | ||
| Both of them wearing KKK hoods at the time. | ||
| They might as well. | ||
| Politically, they were. | ||
| Spiritually wearing hoods. | ||
| So now we're going to talk about Tuesday the 10th of July. | ||
| We'll talk to you about where I was like... | ||
| Can't do this anymore. | ||
| I can't do it anymore, but I was like, I don't want to do this. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| We can hit the main topics without like... | ||
| I think I probably turned it off like an hour in. | ||
| We're going to listen to clips and all that, but a lot of the stuff that I didn't cut out, I think I texted you about this. | ||
| So much of it is just like, we talked about this before. | ||
| Alex isn't saying anything. | ||
| It's just blustery nonsense about how great he is and all this. | ||
| I'm changing the world. | ||
| All this sort of narcissistic, weird talk. | ||
| And so we'll start as Alex starts his show on July 10th. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| That he would start by talking about the Supreme Court. | ||
| It seems like the obvious thing to talk about. | ||
| It seems like you talk about Brett Kavanaugh being nominated for the Supreme Court. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But... | ||
| Or maybe he would talk about the fact that he interrupted The Bachelorette and it really screwed up his DVR. | ||
| It screwed up his DVR. | ||
| He was watching The Bachelorette. | ||
| It turns out that because of that interruption, the last ten minutes were cut off of his recording, and there you go. | ||
| Now he doesn't even know who went home. | ||
| That's culture war, man. | ||
| He does know that that guy is a virgin. | ||
| That's culture war on the libs, because they all love that show. | ||
| On the libs. | ||
| He doesn't start with any of that stuff, but what he does... | ||
| There's almost no coverage of this, even though it came out an hour ago in the Chicago Tribune. | ||
| Trump pardons ranchers, the Hammonds, in case that inspired the 2016 occupation of National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Trump's also set to go to England, where the Islamicist Mayor Sadiq Khan has openly been calling for Trump to be blocked from the country. | ||
| Simply amazing. | ||
| So, that is how he starts. | ||
| Which, as I said, very in line with his principles. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| Glad you could find a rag there. | ||
| Jordan just opened a beer and it exploded all over my table. | ||
| It exploded all over your table. | ||
| Make sure you, you know, we might need paper towels. | ||
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Yeah, we're probably going to need to do that. | |
| Edit this part out! | ||
| So, the Hammonds have been pardoned. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know what's fun? | ||
| We always talk about how it is terrible to think of jailing your political enemies. | ||
| You know, like when everybody was screaming, lock her up. | ||
| It's usually unhealthy as an impulse. | ||
| Yeah, as a country, that seems like that's a road to fascism, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to go with, so is pardoning people convicted of crimes that they did? | ||
| Well, that's... | ||
| That's gobbledygook, and you are a dumb libertard. | ||
| But it's the same thing, it's just in the opposite direction. | ||
| You're so stupid. | ||
| No, but it's the same thing. | ||
| No, because then you just... | ||
| You need to stop your Maoist claptrap. | ||
| I don't understand how... | ||
| That's the opposite of Maoist! | ||
| This is creeping socialism, and you know it. | ||
| That doesn't make sense! | ||
| You shut your goddamn mouth. | ||
| I'm talking about him! | ||
| Alex is going to inform you about what the Hammonds did. | ||
| And what the reality of the situation is, and that you can shut the fuck up and say this was great, Trump is a hero. | ||
| He is just going to list off the crimes that they committed and then say that they shouldn't really have been crimes, right? | ||
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Meh. | |
| There's a thing called controlled burns. | ||
| And everybody does it. | ||
| Great start. | ||
| Upstate New York to Georgia to Florida to New Mexico to Texas to Illinois to Oros. | ||
| And the... | ||
| Forest Service under Obama started saying you've got to get permits for those, and then they wouldn't issue them. | ||
| Real quick, the Hammond's trouble with the law predates Obama. | ||
| Just for fun? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so these brothers did some controlled burns right on their property line. | ||
| Also just for fun? | ||
| They aren't brothers. | ||
| They aren't brothers. | ||
| As a fire break, because the Forest Service is famous for not clearing that out now, and then there's a fire at... | ||
| Builds up super heat and comes onto your land. | ||
| And a little bit of it, like a half acre or something, in the control burn, burns some forest bottom. | ||
| It wasn't a half acre. | ||
| It's just a little bit of it was a crash. | ||
| And they put them in prison for it and called it arson. | ||
| It was. | ||
| So, anybody that's lived in Texas, you know, every year after the summer's over, the Mexicans... | ||
| Burn their fields. | ||
| Put nitrogen back into it. | ||
| It's what every culture's done for thousands of years. | ||
| And there's a lot of smoke in the sky sometimes. | ||
| Sometimes it makes you cough. | ||
| Sometimes it makes the sunsets incredibly beautiful. | ||
| Are we going to arrest all the Mexicans for doing it? | ||
| I think we are. | ||
| Case. | ||
| I think we're pretty much on the way there. | ||
| Case fucking closed, man. | ||
| These Hammonds are great people. | ||
| They just burn a little bit accidentally. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| It's a controlled burn, my friend. | ||
| That is the greatest yada yada yada I've ever heard. | ||
| Look, man. | ||
| All right, so they committed a little bit of a crime, but it was like, what, Mexicans do it? | ||
| Everybody does this. | ||
| There's a difference. | ||
| And as you know, I approve of Mexican behavior and use it to justify my own behavior all the time. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I always side with the people who... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There is a... | ||
| I mean, like, people do burn their crops and stuff like that. | ||
| That is a pretty standard thing that a lot of people do, but that's different. | ||
| It's not on federal land, is it? | ||
| And they do it with licenses and stuff, but... | ||
| Oh, they get permission? | ||
| We'll get to... | ||
| How right Alex is. | ||
| I'm being opposite guy today. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| We'll get to the reality of the Hammonds. | ||
| You're your own Dan Lyman. | ||
| We'll get to the reality of the Hammonds situation here in a second. | ||
| But first, Alex says this stupid, stupid fucking thing. | ||
| And because a small amount of land burned, a little bit of grass and undercover foliage under the trees, they were sentenced to a long prison sentence, sparking the outrage and the standoff that then developed. | ||
| They weren't really all that thrilled with that. | ||
| I think it's a very, very good move. | ||
| You could argue that a pardon of the Bundys would only spark more people to have armed confrontations. | ||
| You could argue that, could you? | ||
| You could not argue that this was a very good pardon. | ||
| You can't argue that this was a very good pardon. | ||
| No, argue that this is a very good pardon. | ||
| These people are obviously political prisoners who have been imprisoned for their strongly held beliefs. | ||
| They were fighting against an entrenched power, and they were doing it in order to represent the oppressed. | ||
| And so for them to be jailed is just like when Martin Luther King Jr. spent time in jail in Alabama. | ||
| That is exactly what this is, Dan. | ||
| You could never convince me otherwise, no matter what you say next week. | ||
| Which I assume is going to be very well researched and thoughtful. | ||
| So when a person generally wants to do a controlled burn, they can do so. | ||
| It's something that people can absolutely do, but they need a permit. | ||
| Like Martin Luther King Jr. | ||
| And this is because setting fires is always dangerous, and the potential for widespread damage is always there. | ||
| Pretty consistently, as was definitely the case in the Hardy Hammond fire of 2001, way before Barack Obama was president. | ||
| Oh, the Hardy Hammond fire? | ||
| Because they fucking said it. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| The fires followed reports of the Hammonds illegally slaughtering wild game like deer. | ||
| So they would create these burns in order to cover up the evidence of them illegally killing animals. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| This has pretty consistently been the case. | ||
| Oh, my fucking God. | ||
| There have been witnesses who have attested to this. | ||
| We'll get to another specific witness here in a second. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Quote, this is from the government documents. | ||
| On or about August 22nd and 23rd, 2005, Stephen Hammond set fires to brush and other flammable material, causing fires to burn on public and private land. | ||
| As a result of the fires, approximately 1,342 acres of BLM-managed land were burned. | ||
| As a result of the Fir Creek area fires, the U.S. incurred suppression costs and resource damages to BLM land in the total of $188,020. | ||
| How many acres again? | ||
| 1,342 acres. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that was in 2005. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Also, before Barack Obama was in office. | ||
| I'm going to go with death penalty. | ||
| On or about August 22, 2006, Stephen Hammond set fire to brush and other flammable material, causing fires to burn on public and private land. | ||
| As a result of the fire, approximately 804 acres of BLM-managed land and 68 acres of private land were burned. | ||
| As a result of the Crumbo Butte fire, the U.S. incurred suppression costs in the amount of $15,677 and resource damages to the BLM in the amount of $30,400. | ||
| This fire also almost trapped and killed four BLM firefighters because they were unaware of the fires that had been set and were there trying to work on another fire. | ||
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| Great! | ||
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| Quote! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| On or about August 22nd to 23rd, 2006, Dwight Hammond and Stephen Hammond set fire to brush and other flammable material, causing fires to burn on public and private land. | ||
| As a result of the fire, approximately 46,523 acres of BLM-managed land and 12,344 acres of private land were burned. | ||
| As a result of the Granddad Fire, the U.S. incurred suppression costs in the amount of $479,809 in resource damages to the BLM land in the amount of 586,496. | ||
| The NYPD murdered a man for selling a cigarette! | ||
| And, incidentally, throughout all of this, Steve and Dwight kept threatening to kill and frame BLM employees. | ||
| Repeatedly. | ||
| Kill them! | ||
| I want them dead. | ||
| Now that they're out of jail, we can kill them! | ||
| Let's burn them! | ||
| Oh my god, we have to burn them alive! | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That's the rule! | ||
| Isn't that science? | ||
| See, this is where you come in with your extrapolation that is no good, man. | ||
| You've got to stop threatening to kill people. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not threatening to. | ||
| I'm saying that we get to. | ||
| You're not advocating. | ||
| I'm saying we get to. | ||
| I'm saying that this is a perfect Twilight Zone opportunity, right? | ||
| So they commit all of these terrible crimes through the use of arson. | ||
| Yeah, boy, they've done a lot of that. | ||
| Then they go to jail and they're like, oh, we're punished. | ||
| But, surprise twist, they get pardoned by a mental invalid. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And then they get burned alive. | ||
| That is Twilight Zone ironic twist all the way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is the guy's glasses getting broken. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| At the end. | ||
| They've finally got time now to make more controlled burns, and one of them gets burnt alive, and then the other one has to watch it, and then we burn him alive on purpose. | ||
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Right. | |
| So the bigger point here is, I think, I mean, whatever you're saying, I mean, that's fun as a TV show. | ||
| I don't like it in real life. | ||
| I do, though. | ||
| I like it in both. | ||
| Actually, I would say the TV version would be a little bit boring. | ||
| I don't think it's as interesting. | ||
| I'm more interested in the fact that what this pardon does is just specifically indicate that, like... | ||
| White terrorism is fine. | ||
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| There's no other real message behind it, because these dudes have a history of arson. | ||
| They've been up to shit for 20 fucking years, even more than that, perhaps. | ||
| Their history goes so far back in terms of just not playing by the rules, burning shit to cover up crimes and stuff like that. | ||
| I get it, you don't want there to be laws, but there are. | ||
| I understand that your argument, like Alex's argument hinges mostly on sort of... | ||
| You know, sovereign citizen, free man on the land beliefs that like, hey, no, this is, you know, anything goes. | ||
| And sorry, that isn't the case. | ||
| And it would be a hellscape if it was. | ||
| I'm surprised he didn't even make the argument that the problem is that it was illegal for them to hunt in that situation. | ||
| Because if it wasn't illegal, they wouldn't have lit those fires, right? | ||
| That opens up too much of a can of worms for Alex. | ||
| He can't admit that even the first step is true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Because then it becomes a conversation of, like, why were they trying to cover it up if it was legal? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what's fascinating? | ||
| What interests me about this and what's... | ||
| More insidious about it. | ||
| America has a long history of corrupt presidents pardoning people for political reasons. | ||
| I would even bet that some of the people Obama pardoned I might not be fine with. | ||
| I bet there's some people. | ||
| Absolutely agreed. | ||
| The thing that is insidious about this is how petty it is. | ||
| It's how small this is. | ||
| This is just random, small, dumb shit to signal. | ||
| Hey guys. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Open season. | ||
| It's all good now. | ||
| Open fucking season. | ||
| You militias, I'm going to ignore you. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| And if it's within my power, I'll probably get you off the hook. | ||
| But if Antifa shows up and they're wearing a mask, we gotta put them in jail forever. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Never gonna pardon any of those fuckers. | ||
| There's, I mean, we already talked about the Malhur conservation standoff and all the costs that were incurred from that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the non-monetary costs of, like, sacred sites that were desecrated and things like that. | ||
| You can't put a price tag on it. | ||
| Hey, you just shit on it. | ||
| Right, there's things like that, and that directly spawned out of the Bundys trying to stand up for the Hammonds, when the Hammonds had already cut a deal. | ||
| Like, they already had pled down all their arsons and shit. | ||
| Which they shouldn't have been allowed to do in the first one. | ||
| They were going to get, like, five years with time served, or whatever. | ||
| Like, it's not even a big deal, quite frankly, in terms of this. | ||
| But now, all that's expunged, and they're cool, man! | ||
| And it's expunged. | ||
| It's good to go. | ||
| That's the worst part about it. | ||
| Now it's not even their 45th strike. | ||
| It's back to number one. | ||
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They can commit the same fucking crime again. | |
| Yeah, and then it's double jeopardy. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| No, it's not double jeopardy. | ||
| You can't convict me for robbing that bank. | ||
| You already got me for robbing the other one. | ||
| Double Jeopardy! | ||
| But I mean, I'd like to just say that this fire that they set in 2006, the Granddad Fire, the cost of it was over a million dollars in terms of the U.S., the suppression costs and the damages. | ||
| And I'm sure they had to pay that back. | ||
| No, I don't think they did. | ||
| Well, what about the firemen they almost murdered? | ||
| Because that's really what it is, since it was arson. | ||
| I think that charge got pled down. | ||
| Oh, did it? | ||
| And now pardoned. | ||
| Oh, okay, great. | ||
| And commuted all the sentences. | ||
| Sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet. | ||
| But the issue that I have is even if you want to take away the, like, militia shit, you want to take away the really fucked up sovereign citizen beliefs that are being emboldened through this sort of thing. | ||
| I mean, you just got to deal with, like, the... | ||
| The hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage that they've caused by setting fires over and over again when they want to cover stuff up or it's more convenient to them and they don't believe in getting licenses and shit. | ||
| So, like, the fact that they just are this capricious and it ends up... | ||
| You know where that money comes from? | ||
| That comes from us. | ||
| Oh, does it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those suppression costs and the Bureau of Land Management resource damages, it comes out of tax money. | ||
| Oh, it does? | ||
| I'm really concerned about where my tax dollars go. | ||
| Right, but you understand these two dudes have specifically caused over a million dollars, or way more, of damage that we are paying for. | ||
| I cannot allow my tax dollars to go to something like Planned Parenthood that promotes... | ||
| And funds abortion and tells people to go get them even when they don't even need them, which I don't even know how you can do that. | ||
| But I want my tax money to go towards fixing the mistakes of two dumb fucks in the middle of goddamn nowhere. | ||
| That's where my tax money needs to go, Dan. | ||
| Who don't view it as a mistake. | ||
| That's where my tax money needs to go. | ||
| They don't view it as a mistake, they view it as a cover-up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, let's move on. | ||
| He's pretty thrilled about this part. | ||
| Even they view it as a crime! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| Even there, by covering it up, you're like, oh yeah, this is totally a crime. | ||
| And I know that we're not quite proving that point just yet. | ||
| Wait until a little bit later in the episode. | ||
| I'll make all this super clear. | ||
| But for now, Alex is very in support of these pardons, but he has something he wants to say to the haters. | ||
| All you Democrats, though, that hate Trump and hate America and hate InfoWars.com. | ||
| Me! | ||
| And hate NewsWars.com. | ||
| Me, too. | ||
| Nice plug. | ||
| You're just complete fools. | ||
| All we're trying to do is go back to what works and what's successful and what's honorable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For whites. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Go back to what works. | ||
| What do you guys... | ||
| What do you really need? | ||
| Any amendments past the tenth one? | ||
| Frankly, do you need really any amendments passed? | ||
| Second. | ||
| I would say maybe they would be fine with four, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Search and seizure. | ||
| Yeah, the search and seizure is the one. | ||
| They also don't want to quarter soldiers. | ||
| I think they do, though. | ||
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I think they want to become the soldiers that are quartered. | |
| Is there an amendment against play-acting being a soldier? | ||
| Because maybe there should be. | ||
| Let's call it the 48th Amendment, the no more reenactors. | ||
| I don't mind reenactors, because that has its proper context. | ||
| I'm worried about, like... | ||
| I mean, it just comes... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is stolen valor a crime? | ||
| I really am bothered by all this. | ||
| It kind of feels like it should be, right? | ||
| Yeah, because you hear all these stories of everyone who was at these standoffs. | ||
| They were all pretending to be soldiers and shit like that. | ||
| Nah, I wasn't actually in the shit. | ||
| I never actually enlisted. | ||
| It's the same thing as the people who show up on Project Camelot saying that there's former CIA. | ||
| It's the same bullshit. | ||
| Or Alex pretending that he has family who's been in the FBI and CIA. | ||
| You guys are just fucking LARPing. | ||
| Go LARP with magic like no... | ||
| Or Zach, who comes on Alex's show. | ||
| Or, ooh, today. | ||
| What? | ||
| Today, this guy, I can't remember his name, he held a press conference about the Seth Rich murder. | ||
| We're there? | ||
| We're still there? | ||
| I think it might be the anniversary or something. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But he held a press conference where he had a whistleblower that was going to call in. | ||
| And I was like, man. | ||
| Wait, he held a press conference for a whistleblower who was going to call in. | ||
| Well, I think that the... | ||
| It initially started with the promise that he was going to come. | ||
| Like the whistleblower was going to be there with a mask. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Like when the fox did the masked magician showing you how to do the tricks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then it turned out like, nah, he's just going to call in. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The reporting that I saw on it was like... | ||
| This guy was just, like, all over the place, not answering any, like, questions with definitive answers. | ||
| Like, this guy doesn't fucking know anything. | ||
| But the funniest part was he was asked if he was using a voice-altering thing on the phone. | ||
| And he was like, nah. | ||
| He was like, what does it matter if I am? | ||
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Should I be? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Ooh, that would have been smart. | ||
| Like, he really wanted to say, like, oh, fuck, I should have done that. | ||
| The reason that triggered in my head is he was another guy who was actually using one name. | ||
| I'm like, man, I wonder if it was Zach. | ||
| I wonder if it was Zach trying to get some extra work on the side. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| In the gig economy, it's tough even for the con men. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, there's a conspiracy Uber, I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Do you need an expert? | |
| There's an app for people to call in. | ||
| There's a QAnon app. | ||
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QAnon app. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| We've got to start that. | ||
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God damn it. | |
| Why can't we program stuff? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We should have studied different things. | ||
| We're idea men, Dad. | ||
| That's our problem. | ||
| So at this point, we're 40 minutes into this episode, and we have not yet heard anything about the Supreme Court. | ||
| But here we go. | ||
| Alex finally gets up to it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm usually right. | ||
| And a lot of insiders thought that Kavanaugh was out because of Rand Paul and because of the Bush connections. | ||
| But his voting record is actually pretty conservative. | ||
| And Trump likes him. | ||
| And Trump knows other people that know him. | ||
| Do you mean like Justice Anthony Kennedy? | ||
| For whom his son owed him a billion dollars? | ||
| The problem is, and I'm going to get into this right now, the Democrats have announced their plan. | ||
| It hasn't gotten a lot of traction yet, but they've announced their plan to try to block him. | ||
| And their argument is, we're going to block everybody because Trump is under investigation. | ||
| And so, therefore, it's a conflict of interest if he puts a Supreme Court justice in who might then sit over judgment of him. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Well, by that extension, he couldn't have the last guy either. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| You figured it out! | ||
| Alex, you accidentally just made a good argument. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Actually, that is good. | ||
| That is what a lot of people would say. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Now, what you were saying there over the clip, I don't know how much of that is, like, I don't know if I buy in too much to a lot of that stuff. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how concrete a lot of that is, and a lot of that seems like, eh, there could be some smoke here or something like that, but I'm not ready to jump on board and say that there were, like... | ||
| Backroom negotiations and stuff like that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I understand that there is a connection in terms of... | ||
| A billion dollars. | ||
| Anthony Kennedy's son worked at the bank where Trump owes a lot of money to him. | ||
| And personally loaned him... | ||
| Look, I... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Here's what I'm not confirming. | ||
| I'm not saying that it's 100% true. | ||
| But even if that is true, I see a benign path around the son part. | ||
| To me, that isn't evidence necessarily of this being a screwjob. | ||
| If you jump too far into that, I think that what you're doing is conspiracy theorizing. | ||
| I agree with you as if that was the only thing. | ||
| If it was just like, well, his son was part of the bank that loaned him all that money. | ||
| Because his son doesn't have sole approval. | ||
| The Kennedy son can't just... | ||
| Yeah, there's a whole thing, right? | ||
| However... | ||
| This is something that people have kind of known about for a while. | ||
| Like, the two of them have been in contact pretty regularly. | ||
| There is a very suspicious circumstance wherein he retires exactly when he retires. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Prior to an election. | ||
| There's a lot of suspicion. | ||
| The circumstantial evidence at this point outweighs my skepticism. | ||
| And even if it's not true, it doesn't change anything. | ||
| It doesn't fucking matter. | ||
| I would argue, too, that just because someone has business deals with me, that doesn't mean I can get my dad to do something. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| My dad is a completely separate person from me. | ||
| I would imagine it's the same with Anthony Kennedy and his son. | ||
| I understand there's a lot of stuff that smells bad. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff. | ||
| It's a lot of stuff. | ||
| But the details of it, I believe, need to be more concrete than they are now in order for me to be too compelled by it. | ||
| I would have loved this two years ago. | ||
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Two years ago, this sort of thing would have been like, oh, hell yeah. | |
| This is everything. | ||
| This explains it all. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not trying to... | ||
| We'll be living in such a world now where disparate details can be made to seem like explanations of much larger puzzles. | ||
| And I don't feel comfortable with that until... | ||
| That's another reason why I hate the present day stuff. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Watching this episode, even, there's so much stuff that I would love to be like... | ||
| Well, this isn't true. | ||
| But it's like, well, we'll have to wait a couple weeks to see what plays out here. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Or it's just like, hey, I don't want to spend my precious life debunking right-wing memes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He talks about how before even Kavanaugh was announced, the libs, the dumb libs, they printed out signs with all the possible names with stop blank. | ||
| Well, yeah, because the Federalist Society gave us a list of names that we need to stop. | ||
| Right, I understand that. | ||
| Of course they did! | ||
| I don't want to spend even two minutes of my life diving into that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| There's so much that just won't be like, we can talk about this a lot more competently in the future. | ||
| In the present, all we can really say, I think responsibly, is like, this looks bad. | ||
| I'm trusting that reporters will follow the threads that they can. | ||
| That we can't. | ||
| Here is why I'm totally on board with that. | ||
| I'm not going to say it is true. | ||
| Here is why I'm having fun with it. | ||
| I'm also not accusing you of that. | ||
| I'm only doing this because I feel very self-conscious about other people and people who listen to the show going off half-cocked and believing... | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| Here's why I'm having fun with it. | ||
| Because it doesn't matter either way. | ||
| It doesn't fucking matter. | ||
| Of course, regardless if it's corrupt in this way, it's corrupt in some way. | ||
| Everybody, there's no decision now coming out of this government that is not inherently tinged with corruption. | ||
| Regardless of whether or not it happened in this specific circumstance, this specific way, if you do start digging into it, you're going to find out something else is fucking corrupt. | ||
| He might as well have nominated Scott Pruitt at this fucking point. | ||
| It's all corruption. | ||
| Who also should be burned alive. | ||
| Well, he quit. | ||
| Ironically. | ||
| He quit. | ||
| Yeah, burn him alive now. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I really hope that people understand that you're being slightly satirical. | ||
| I kinda don't. | ||
| I'm gonna be honest. | ||
| I just... | ||
| No, you know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm not advocating violence. | ||
| I really am not. | ||
| That's not the way to go... | ||
| I hate that I keep pushing you on it, but it's just like... | ||
| It's a thing where... | ||
| I mean, like, I think that there's a lot of people who are like a Bill Maher or something like that who say stupid shit and then the left gets accused of... | ||
| X, Y, or Z because of him. | ||
| Don't care what the left gets accused of. | ||
| I know, but I care what we get accused of or what we could be accused of. | ||
| I kind of don't care about that either. | ||
| I mean, unless it's a crime. | ||
| Unless we're taken to jail. | ||
| Then let me tell you something, Dan. | ||
| This is all an act. | ||
| I am a character. | ||
| I think you saying that Scott Pruitt should be burned is like, it's maybe not a crime, but it's on the border of language that maybe isn't okay. | ||
| He should be, though. | ||
| Like, by any reasonable metric, just like from a purely scientific standpoint, of the people who are murdered... | ||
| Based on our legal system, that's not a possible consequence. | ||
| Okay, fine, fine. | ||
| Of the people who are murdered by the state through the death penalty, right? | ||
| Ooh, boy. | ||
| Imagine a... | ||
| Can't wait to see the end of this fucking sentence. | ||
| Like, are any of their crimes ever equal to Scott Pruitt's? | ||
| Like, because Scott Pruitt has made so many decisions that are going to result in the deaths of hundreds of people. | ||
| Hundreds. | ||
| Maybe not he's going to exacerbate climate change to the point where an extra million people die or whatever, but so many of his decisions do have concrete numbers behind them. | ||
| Say something like where he... | ||
| Then send him to The Hague. | ||
| I'm totally fine with that, too! | ||
| That's what I would say. | ||
| Instead of saying, let's burn this person alive. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I think that that's ugly language, and I think you could be accused of, like, reactionary-ism or something like that. | ||
| And maybe I'm being, like, I know that, hey, this is Dan play in the middle, or whatever. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| You're being correctly cautious. | ||
| You're a compassionate human being. | ||
| And more to the point, this is my fucking life. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Right. | |
| Doing this show. | ||
| Here's how I would put it to you. | ||
| Here's the best way I can describe the way that I treat my tendency towards advocating violence. | ||
| If that is what it can be called in a court of law, I think it can't. | ||
| I think you're in the clear there. | ||
| I think it is torture. | ||
| I think it is absolutely torture for anybody to be held in solitary confinement. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Paul Manafort was held in solitary confinement for 23 hours out of every day. | ||
| But some of that was for his own protection. | ||
| Yeah, it's still torture. | ||
| To be held in solitary confinement for that long is still torture. | ||
| I'm against it by principle, but I also understand that there are sometimes logistical situations. | ||
| Like, I would never want it to be done as a punitive thing, but... | ||
| You know, if you are a white supremacist and you get put into a prison where you're going to get killed, I think that solitary confinement for your own safety might be the only option. | ||
| Or a cordoned-off wing of... | ||
| But then you have just a thing of white supremacists. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which most prisons already have. | ||
| We should probably also just get rid of prisons. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you're going to... | ||
| And I don't think it is right for Paul Manafort to be in that solitary confinement. | ||
| You've multiple times called for his death. | ||
| However, I do think it is an appropriate punishment based on the punishments that we've existed in the past. | ||
| Like, for his crimes, he deserves far worse compared to the punishments that we dole out for crimes that are far less damaging. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| It's like a math argument. | ||
| Like, if you've got one column of all the people who died because of your decisions... | ||
| And the punishment that you received in the other column, most serial killers killed less people personally than Scott Pruitt did. | ||
| And they are killed. | ||
| Now, my only argument against that, I suppose, and then I want to move on because I'm sick of this. | ||
| We've been having this argument for how many months now? | ||
| The only thing I would say is that I really, really don't like... | ||
| I know that you're not advocating this, but I really don't like the idea of punishment and the justice system being involved in Hammurabi-esque eye for an eye. | ||
| You deserve this. | ||
| Again, totally stupid. | ||
| Because that is too much relishing the pain that you can cause someone who has caused other people pain. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I don't feel like that's a good thing for humans. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think that much more... | ||
| I think we should just send people to The Hague. | ||
| I think we should, too. | ||
| That sounds like... | ||
| I was actually looking into... | ||
| That should be your new yell. | ||
| Just yell, send them to the hay. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| I was actually looking into this specifically because I'm going through all the crimes that have been committed by the people that we have inexplicably given power to. | ||
| And I'm trying to figure out, could you actually prosecute them for this? | ||
| And so much of it is actually legal. | ||
| So then I was like, well, if I were going to be elected president... | ||
| Or something along those lines. | ||
| How would I circumvent the fact that what they did was not illegal here, but should be? | ||
| And is other places. | ||
| Well, lure them to a foreign country. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| I was looking up international courts. | ||
| I was looking up all of this stuff. | ||
| I was like, how do we do the new Nuremberg trials? | ||
| Like, that kind of stuff. | ||
| And there really isn't any recourse for it. | ||
| Well, the Nuremberg trials were very problematic to begin with in terms of jurisdiction and ex post facto. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Now, granted, you always want to see Nazis get punished. | ||
| I'm kind of on the side of, we, again, so many of our laws should have, like... | ||
| Except Nazis. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It should be written into every one of our laws. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| So, Alex is fine with Kavanaugh. | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| Who would have guessed that he would have tucked his tail between his legs and said that anybody that Trump chose was the best choice? | ||
| Also, he makes no point of being like, now I know that I said I had real deep sources that said that Andrew Napolitano was going to be the Supreme Court nominee. | ||
| He did start that last clip by saying, I'm usually right. | ||
| But the rest of it, he never brings up that like... | ||
| That he said something completely different? | ||
| I was completely wrong about Andrew Napolitano. | ||
| He's going to probably pretend he never said that. | ||
| Have you ever seen Kavanaugh and Napolitano in the same room? | ||
| That's a really good point. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| So I'm going to talk about Kavanaugh a little bit and reasons why Alex shouldn't be in favor of him and then should, I guess. | ||
| Here is a little thing about him. | ||
| Quote, Kavanaugh is also authored or signed on to a number of opinions deferring to presidential power in high-profile cases. | ||
| Hooray! | ||
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For instance, after the Supreme Court ruled that enemy combatants detained at Guantanamo Bay have the right to challenge their detentions in court, Kavanaugh was among the conservative judges on the D.C. Circuit who subsequently ruled in ways the critics have said actively subverted the high-profile. | |
| Hooray! | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| Originalist, Dan. | ||
| That's from a report on NPR. | ||
| It's important to care about precedent. | ||
| Right, well, I mean, but this one, that Alex should not be in favor of. | ||
| Oh, no, absolutely not. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| And it's not caring about precedent at all. | ||
| He was thrilled with the idea that this guy was super into, like, these people who were held at Guantanamo Bay and being tortured and all this. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just know they shouldn't be able to challenge their incarceration. | ||
| That's absolutely against Alex's principles. | ||
| Now, the reasons that he will and should be for him are that Kavanaugh is anti-contraception, he's anti-environmental regulations, he's anti-net neutrality, he's super pro-guns, and he was in favor of the South Carolina law that required people to have IDs to vote. | ||
| Which, of course, is a cornerstone of voter disenfranchisement. | ||
| Can we just call him pro-death? | ||
| Like, everything you just described, everything he's anti and everything he's pro, lead to people dying who don't need, who shouldn't die. | ||
| Who have no reason to die other than because of those positions. | ||
| I don't know, but I think you might be dramatizing net neutrality a tiny bit, but the other ones, yes. | ||
| Oh, net neutrality, yeah. | ||
| That one is, you're right on that one. | ||
| I agree with the rest of them kind of being life and death. | ||
| I let the net neutrality one slide. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I mean, it's still bad. | ||
| It's still pro-death. | ||
| He's on the wrong... | ||
| It's still pro-death. | ||
| I mean, there is to a certain extent. | ||
| I mean, it does limit people's ability to organize and congregate, which could lead to... | ||
| Deaths? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Perhaps. | ||
| So, I mean, Kavanaugh's a shithead. | ||
| I know he'll probably end up passing, and great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| There's only one way to stop him. | ||
| Stacking the court. | ||
| And that's shutting the... | ||
| I mean, at this point, the thing that I look at now with a knowledge of history, combined with where we're going, is... | ||
| People keep talking about how he's going to swing the court conservative for the next 30 or 40 years. | ||
| And I'm like, if he's approved, we're getting 15 max before either the world ends or... | ||
| There's a violent overthrow. | ||
| Well, I mean, I don't even know if it'll make it 15, because there's so many indications that, like, I don't know. | ||
| I'm going to stop myself before I get too doom and gloomy about this, but, you know, we have reordering of international priorities and things like that that have very, very drastic consequences. | ||
| The way that Trump is, like... | ||
| Making friends with and pretending that Kim Jong-un is on the level when he's clearly not. | ||
| There are reports coming out all over the place that they're still doing massive tests. | ||
| Hilariously not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hilariously not. | ||
| But he's banking on the optics of doing stuff like this and buddying up to a great extent with Putin and other authoritarian leaders around the world and being a dick to our allies and things like that. | ||
| It's almost exactly like the axis of evil pre-World War II. | ||
| You have this reordering of things and we are not in the side that you want to be on. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| This doesn't play out well looking down the road. | ||
| And I don't even know if it's 15 years off. | ||
| And this is where, like I was saying, I was trying to resist being doom and gloomy about it. | ||
| But there is a world I also see as being possible where a lot of these really bad decisions get made and cooler heads prevail and we are able to fix things before things go too far. | ||
| You hope that that can happen. | ||
| This stuff that is going on... | ||
| Has happened in America in the past. | ||
| The problem with comparing those two is that the stakes, so much lower. | ||
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In the past. | |
| So much lower in the past. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You were just fucking with people in America. | ||
| Now you're fucking with the world. | ||
| Well, and technological advancements that you have, weapons advancements, the ability to, like... | ||
| Before the advent of the internet, or the ubiquity of the internet, and the prevalence of social media, it was much, much harder to trick people the way that people like Alex are able to trick people now. | ||
| You had to do it on a local level. | ||
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Right. | |
| You couldn't get as many at the same time. | ||
| And, I mean, it's not all Alex, just because we talk about him all the time. | ||
| There's so many more malicious influences. | ||
| They're all con men. | ||
| But the stakes that are so much higher are, on one end, like... | ||
| Outright destruction is right around the corner. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| At any point, just a couple of bad decisions lead to, like, catastrophes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Our, what, our weakest nuclear bomb now is twice as, like, a thousand times as strong as the big boy and man, you know, like that whole thing? | ||
| But I think even more devastating is that, like, now people are so entrenched in their own opinions. | ||
| And maybe we're guilty of that, too, but... | ||
| At the same time, I'm willing to listen to anything and be like... | ||
| Clearly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fair. | ||
| I think one of the nice things about being a conservative is they just tune us out. | ||
| Like, they just choose what they want to be mad at, and they don't listen to anything. | ||
| No, and they watch QAnon videos. | ||
| Yeah, you can't talk to one of them. | ||
| They're not even people anymore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, no, they are people, but... | ||
| Functionally, they're not... | ||
| I do think that... | ||
| And this is Dan coming out of his larva or whatever, the pupil stage. | ||
| You're becoming a beautiful butterfly. | ||
| I think you and I have argued in the past about the value of people and that you shouldn't write people off. | ||
| I'm ready to write off just about... | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| A lot of people. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's pointless. | ||
| It's not like it doesn't matter anymore. | ||
| Frankly, I'm ready. | ||
| I thought there was a chance, and now there's not. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| There's probably a good, I don't know, 15% of the population in America that's just like, you guys just gotta shut up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're hurting yourself. | ||
| You're hurting yourself and hurting others more. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Like, the people who support Trump who are like, oh, I think everything he's doing is great and he's starting this trade war that is specifically going to bankrupt them. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like, personally. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They are people who have personal skin in the game and they're going to give all their money away and they're not even really going to understand why that it's their own fucking fault. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they just can't comprehend it because we're team sports run by con men. | ||
| Well, even beyond that, I mean, the con men part is the function of that ubiquity of the internet and the social media allows you to create things that look real and they're not and all this. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it's only going to get worse with the advancements of technology where, you know, you have these videos now where you can make it look like someone saying something they didn't say. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Once that sort of shit gets weaponized, you have no fucking idea. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, that's the sort of stuff that could, like, I mean, I know this is also me being doom and gloomy, like, that could cause a war. | ||
| Oh, no, that is going to cause a war. | ||
| You could very easily make a video of some, like, Kim Jong-un declaring war on America or something like that, and then... | ||
| I mean, all the times... | ||
| You could trick Trump with that so easily. | ||
| Fucking stuttering John tricked him with a prank call! | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Called him from Air Force One! | ||
| It's, like, when this pre-internet... | ||
| There was a fucking test that almost went wrong that caused the end of the human race because some dude, the only reason we're all still alive, literally the only reason all of the human race is still alive is because one dude was like, I don't think we need to press this button and send all these nukes. | ||
| Like, that's it. | ||
| Like, imagine a dumbass president who gets a video that Fox News plays, and then ten minutes later they issue a retraction, but it's too late. | ||
| He's already fucking dumb. | ||
| We're all dead. | ||
| Even if they play it and the chyron is, is this real? | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| It still doesn't matter. | ||
| He believes everything they say. | ||
| If any one of them decide to say, we need to start a war, he's going to do it! | ||
| We're fucked! | ||
| Hopefully not. | ||
| Well, I mean, Congress has given up war powers to the president anyway. | ||
| This is why we shouldn't cover modern episodes. | ||
| I know! | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about why he supports Trump. | ||
| What I'm saying about Trump is this. | ||
| The will of the people are behind him. | ||
| And so when he made the joke, I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and my supporters would still support me. | ||
| He gets the fact that he's going to deliver to us. | ||
| We're going to deliver to him, and that's why I'm so behind the president, because we're taking the country and the world back, and the globalists are crapping their pants, and things are turning around, so praise God's all I gotta say. | ||
| Doesn't mean things are perfect, but in my gut, I know Trump's good as well. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I'd like to take us all back to a mere couple months ago when Trump was shoving ISIS up his dirty asshole. | ||
| Or a few years ago when his gut said that he was a gangster. | ||
| Not his gut. | ||
| He had it from good authority. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| He did have it from good authority. | ||
| And the source is that he is mobbed up and a front man for the consortiums on the East Coast. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is all just so pathetic. | ||
| I don't even... | ||
| Like... | ||
| I don't know what... | ||
| Are you going to cry? | ||
| No. | ||
| I just had to sort of brace myself a tiny bit. | ||
| For what you're about to say? | ||
| I'm so bored with this guy. | ||
| Like, that's the real struggle. | ||
| No, this iteration right now, yeah, I agree. | ||
| This is the real struggle. | ||
| Like, to me, looking back at 2009, Alex, I know I probably say this all the fucking time, but at least there's some, like, there's intrigue there. | ||
| There's something that's like, what game are you playing exactly? | ||
| He could go a lot of different ways back then. | ||
| He had a lot of options. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| There's dynamics. | ||
| There's a push and pull. | ||
| Whereas now, I just listen to this and I'm like... | ||
| I know exactly what you're doing. | ||
| This is so fucking boring. | ||
| You're a bad character in a bad movie at this point. | ||
| When the movie of 2017, 2016 comes out eventually, he's not even going to be in it. | ||
| He was a bad character in that show, though. | ||
| X-Files? | ||
| No, no, no, not the X-Files. | ||
| The one... | ||
| Homeland? | ||
| Homeland. | ||
| He was in both of those. | ||
| He was in both of those. | ||
| He was a really bad character in Homeland, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was mad. | ||
| He was very furious about that depiction. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Although he did plug it a lot. | ||
| It was very weird. | ||
| Well... | ||
| More people Google that character. | ||
| More people realize it's about Alex Jones. | ||
| More people listen to Alex Jones. | ||
| Strange impulse to be like, these people are hatchet-jobbing me. | ||
| Go watch it. | ||
| It's on showtime. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| Any publicity is good publicity. | ||
| But to me, that version of him is even more interesting than now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, I can't stress enough. | ||
| The only thing that interests me about this episode was I learned a little bit more about how bad the Bundys were. | ||
| And then Stan Deo sucks, and it's funny that Alex doesn't bring up Andrew Napolitano anymore. | ||
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The basement got lower. | |
| That's it. | ||
| No, that's a great way of putting our experience listening to Alex Jones now. | ||
| Anytime we listen to him in the present, all that happens is we realize that the basement just got lower. | ||
| There's just no bottom. | ||
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How much cuck could a wood cuck cuck if a wood cuck could cuck cuck? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's just a... | ||
| It's sort of a, like... | ||
| How many different ways can you suck Trump's dick? | ||
| Like, how many different ways are there? | ||
| I'm gonna... | ||
| You put an ice cube in there? | ||
| I guess that would help. | ||
| Maybe try a breath mint. | ||
| Oh, you could use one of those strips, one of those things that you put on there, maybe put some LSD on there. | ||
| Everybody gets a contact high. | ||
| Now I'm just weird. | ||
| I'm not comfortable with where this is going. | ||
| Well, you took it there entirely. | ||
| I know! | ||
| It's entirely my fault! | ||
| I sat it out. | ||
| Most of my problems come from me, Dan. | ||
| The thing that I take, I don't like your characterization of it there because I don't think that like... | ||
| You know, like, sucking dick as a negative. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I know that's not what you meant. | ||
| That's not my intent. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But the reason that I would frame it differently is just, like, how much lower can someone bring themselves in service of something that doesn't really, like, it's not... | ||
| I want to say that it's not really what they're about, but what they're about is white supremacy, so it is what they're about. | ||
| But, like, it's, like, how contorted does someone have to get in order to rationalize stuff in a way that's not interesting? | ||
| You know, like, because if he was interesting about it, it would be different. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's not interesting. | ||
| To me, what I hear is, like, a bad salesman. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Because here's what's going on. | ||
| To the people he's talking to, they've already been sold. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To the people that he's not talking to, he's overselling. | ||
| Every word he says just pushes them further away. | ||
| So why are you still trying to sell it? | ||
| Why are you still trying to sell it in new and different ways? | ||
| You're selling a sold car. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're a door-to-door salesman. | ||
| I already have a vacuum or I've thrown a vacuum out the door. | ||
| Why are you bothering with this? | ||
| Go somewhere else. | ||
| Well, it's because... | ||
| Like, it's the dynamic that we've already talked about in terms of, like, he's abandoned the 80% in order to focus on the 20%. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But in order to keep the illusion for the 20% that he's still marketing to the 100, he has to keep doing that or else they would realize, like, there's not any... | ||
| No one's listening to this. | ||
| We're an isolated, weird group of people who are believing a liar. | ||
| Otherwise, the game kind of gets blown up. | ||
| What would be the way... | ||
| Like, let's workshop... | ||
| Like, how would you both... | ||
| Stay in your conservative everything Trump does is the best thing to do lane. | ||
| Right. | ||
| While still being interesting. | ||
| Because he's not doing the latter part. | ||
| I would say that the way Alex could do it is ignore a lot of the news. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I like that. | ||
| That's a good start. | ||
| He's not good at this anyway. | ||
| And most of the time when he covers the news, it's just reading a headline and then maybe angrily ranting about something that's not real. | ||
| So what I would do is I would say read the headline, dismiss it, which is mostly the function of what you're doing anyway, and then go back to what made you interesting. | ||
| Chimera stuff. | ||
| Go back to the well of your old personality that people kind of enjoyed, and then see what you can build off that. | ||
| Find other avenues that are like that, that are weird. | ||
| And have just enough truth that you can yell about them, but are also complete bullshit. | ||
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You know what I'm saying? | |
| That's what would be interesting. | ||
| Because he is not doing... | ||
| He's not weird anymore. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is mainstream. | ||
| It's very mainstream. | ||
| He's really just a mainstream talk show host now. | ||
| But here's the problem with it. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| The problem with it is that he was super successful in as much as Sean Hannity is now him. | ||
| Fox and Friends very closely mirrors him. | ||
| Oh, Fox and Friends is the lazy, like, before-coffee version of Alex Jones. | ||
| Now, I hated those sorts of entities. | ||
| Anything on Fox News before was always very shitty and full of garbage. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| But they were not nearly this InfoWars-y a couple years ago. | ||
| They were not out-and-out white supremacists. | ||
| They were hiding it. | ||
| And I don't even think Tucker Carlson was that much of a white supremacist before. | ||
| Dude, he has gone full hog! | ||
| Now, he might have at some point. | ||
| I mean, in private he was probably, but they had producers who were like, hey, we're going to edit out the part where you said the N-word 42 times in a row because, one, that's Jackie Robinson's number, and two, we can't be having that. | ||
| But no one will notice you're wearing a bow tie and you're an adult, so it'll be fine. | ||
| Let's be staring at that, expecting it to squirt on your guest. | ||
| The thing is, like, yeah, who knows what lies in the hearts of men, as they say. | ||
| You know, like, who knows if that was what those people like Bill O 'Reilly or any of them was about. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But the entity of Fox News, even as a, like, sort of state television for Bush, what have you, like, even as that entity, it was not nearly as crazy as Infowars. | ||
| And now it kinda is. | ||
| It's the black president. | ||
| It hurts Alex because... | ||
| Now they're both on the same page. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even though during Obama's time they were on the same page as being against Obama, they weren't on the same page. | ||
| He was weird. | ||
| He was screaming about Frank Marshall Davis being his daddy and all that stuff. | ||
| He needs to reclaim the weird. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's it. | ||
| That's it entirely. | ||
| The problem is everybody has gotten too weird, and now he doesn't know how to out-weird people. | ||
| Well, to quote Hunter S. Thompson, when the going gets weird... | ||
| The weird turned pro. | ||
| But he didn't do that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He kept doing the same things he did before or less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's actually even pulled back from the weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When was the last time you heard about him talking about fucking something that was really out there? | ||
| I mean, he still talks about chimeras from time to time. | ||
| Yeah, but chimeras aren't even that out there anymore. | ||
| Nah, chimeras got mainstream. | ||
| Yeah, I know! | ||
| Now, this might actually be the best way to kill Alex Jones in terms of his, like, career. | ||
| And stuff like that. | ||
| Make the world weirder? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think it might be an unfortunate byproduct of Trump. | ||
| And I think, inevitably, if I were Alex and I were a craven con man, like he is, I think that that would be what prompts me to leave the team. | ||
| I can no longer be as crazy as I need to be. | ||
| That's why he's fucking growing a beard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, this shit. | ||
| He's trying to juice it up somehow, and it's not working. | ||
| It's like your girlfriend of four years suddenly gets a haircut and colors her hair, and you're like, hmm. | ||
| You're edgy. | ||
| I don't think you are going to stick around for much longer. | ||
| Do you think his beard is an indication that it's time to break up? | ||
| No, I think his beard is actually an indication of deep, deep sadness. | ||
| I really, truly, because after I was alerted to that he had a beard, I was allowed to look at it, and it is the most disgusting thing I think I've ever seen in my entire life. | ||
| Anybody who can look at that in the mirror is a deeply depressed and unhappy man. | ||
| I would say that I hate... | ||
| The trope on TV shows of when someone gets a divorce or becomes an alcoholic, they grow a beard. | ||
| You know, like your characters on TV. | ||
| In the beginning of the second season of Heroes, Nathan Petrelli grew a beard. | ||
| It was an indication that he was a drunk. | ||
| He thought he was responsible for Peter's death. | ||
| His brother, Peter. | ||
| He looked like a sad clown. | ||
| Well, see, Peter, he had excellently absorbed a guy's power to be able to explode as a nuclear bomb. | ||
| This is as annoying to me as my violence is okay argument is annoying to you. | ||
| And in order to save the city of New York from exploding, because Peter couldn't control his powers, Nathan grabbed him and flew him above the city. | ||
| And then he thought that he was responsible for Peter's death, and so he grew a beard because he was drinking so much, but NBC couldn't show him drinking all the time. | ||
| You got mad at me for talking about Dune for too long. | ||
| Screw you. | ||
| That's probably 15 seconds. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Play the tape. | ||
| Anyway, my point is that I hate it in hacky fiction, but I think in reality, his beard is a cry for help. | ||
| Oh, it's a cry for help. | ||
| Alex needs, you gotta shave that shit. | ||
| It's a sad beard. | ||
| Got to shave that shit. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| The beard is a... | ||
| It's a definition of a cuck beard. | ||
| If there's one thing we can do, it is, first off, not block Kavanaugh, because that's never gonna win. | ||
| We're going to lose, and the world is over. | ||
| And still hold out hope and call senators and stuff like that. | ||
| Like, still don't fucking give up. | ||
| Oh, no, absolutely not. | ||
| Even if, like, the prospects aren't good, if you do nothing, nothing will happen. | ||
| If you all... | ||
| If everybody in America just calls Susan Collins once, And says, whatever it is that Mitch McConnell says to you, he is lying. | ||
| Because he has always lied to you. | ||
| And you are gullible. | ||
| Then maybe she'll get it, and maybe she won't vote for Kavanaugh. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because she's going to be told. | ||
| She's going to be told a million times. | ||
| No, don't worry about it. | ||
| Kavanaugh respects precedent, and so he won't gut Roe v. | ||
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Wade. | |
| Roe v. | ||
| Wade's established law. | ||
| He respects precedent. | ||
| He's definitely going to say any challenge that comes to Roe v. | ||
| Wade, the undue burden clause will definitely be worth it, and she's going to say yes, and then it's going to be gutted, and she's going to be like, Mo, I'm dumb again! | ||
| Well, who knows? | ||
| I thought we were going to get a deal. | ||
| Let's move this along. | ||
| In this next clip, Jordan, Alex acts like... | ||
| So you remember when he went down to Seattle? | ||
| When Alex went down to Seattle looking for a soul to steal? | ||
| And he was accosting people on the street, screaming at them. | ||
| Chasing people and then eventually got coffee thrown at him. | ||
| He's got a slightly different take on that now. | ||
| And they think... | ||
| Calling us names, lying about us, pouring coffee on us, yelling and screaming at us does something. | ||
| Yes, it does something. | ||
| It lets me know I'm right about how immature and stupid and thuggish and mob mentality you people are. | ||
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| And it means nothing to me. | ||
| Doesn't it? | ||
| What you do. | ||
| And what you say. | ||
| When I was in Seattle, they'd always run by and call me a Nazi or call me a name. | ||
| So I'd wave them over and say, tell me what you have to say. | ||
| Tell me your intellectual ideas. | ||
| I just want to debate. | ||
| And their answer would be to throw coffee on me. | ||
| Ooh, that's a good answer. | ||
| And run away. | ||
| What an idiot. | ||
| Pretty sure he just walked away. | ||
| And even when I offered the goblin, as we call him, $10,000 and first... | ||
| Class tickets to come here. | ||
| Because I wanted free press. | ||
| He wouldn't do it. | ||
| When we upped it to $20,000, it turns out he is an out-of-work, wannabe professional wrestler announcer. | ||
| Oh yeah, don't we know that guy? | ||
| Like tertiary? | ||
| It turns out that the Goblin cannot and will not debate. | ||
| Debate. | ||
| What I hear there is a rewriting of history, because I watched that video, and he was just fucking being a huge dick to everybody. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then what else I hear is that, like, alright. | ||
| I didn't think that was fake, necessarily. | ||
| I had some suspicions at the time. | ||
| But I wasn't ready to call it fake. | ||
| But that clip makes me think it was fake. | ||
| Because what I hear there is Alex being like, we did this scene on the streets where this guy threw something at me and I pretended it was hot coffee. | ||
| Because he didn't react at all like flinching. | ||
| Oh no, no, no. | ||
| That was not hot coffee. | ||
| So what he's saying is like, I had this set piece that we did and then like Mike Rotondo, I wanted to get him in studio because then I could make a real show out of it. | ||
| I offered him $10,000 to do it. | ||
| He said no, so I offered him $20,000. | ||
| He said, nah, I don't really want to do it. | ||
| I think I'm done with our interaction. | ||
| I think that was good. | ||
| I realized that maybe I shouldn't have even done that. | ||
| And then he walked off with his life peaceably. | ||
| Alex is now trying to reframe it as a thing where he's like, I just wanted this guy to debate me. | ||
| Oh, man, I think I would do it for $20,000. | ||
| I'm not going to lie to you. | ||
| I need $20,000. | ||
| Dude, I'd show up on InfoWars for $20,000, but I wouldn't say anything. | ||
| I just sit there and stare at him. | ||
| Like a serial killer. | ||
| Yeah, I'd just be like... | ||
| You just stare. | ||
| Well, because, you know, isn't that that Errol Morris, like, sort of philosophy of documentary interviewing? | ||
| Oh, yeah, you just let people talk. | ||
| You don't say anything and then they reveal everything. | ||
| That's what I would do. | ||
| I'd just sit there and be like... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, ah. | ||
| Let Alex fill the space. | ||
| You know, just... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I was just like, I don't give a shit. | ||
| People want to talk about themselves. | ||
| Globalists. | ||
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Oh, all right, all right. | |
| Aren't you global? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| No, I live in Chicago. | ||
| Okay, there you go. | ||
| although I am much like Pitbull, Mr. Worldwide. | ||
| I'm going to let you sit in that one for a while. | ||
| See, that's Errol Boras style. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex is still talking about the guy who threw coffee on him in Seattle. | ||
| And he's already called him a goblin, which is interesting, because that's a very interesting phrasing. | ||
| And then he does this thing that he always does that's very suspicious. | ||
| I'm not trying to be mean. | ||
| It's just, what is it about minions of this system that make them so horrific to look at? | ||
| Okay, I gotta stop. | ||
| I really want to play this Brexit report when we come back to the next segment. | ||
| Why is it always physical? | ||
| Why is there always a physical component of it? | ||
| Why is it always... | ||
| Why? | ||
| I think if I were... | ||
| This question answers itself. | ||
| If I were really going to dive into it, I wouldn't even... | ||
| Actually, I wouldn't even go with the just white on this one. | ||
| Because white supremacy is absolutely part of this. | ||
| But I think this goes even beyond that to the white supremacy eugenics kind of idea. | ||
| That only good ideas can come from beautiful-looking, genetically superior people. | ||
| Because that's so often part of it. | ||
| It's not just the Jewish thing or the white thing. | ||
| It's always like... | ||
| Although, he listens to what Mitch McConnell says, and that guy's a fucking troll. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| It's mostly an anti-Semitic thing, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| I have talked myself completely out of my argument. | ||
| Trump is a fucking monster. | ||
| No, I mean, like, generally, whenever Alex brings up people's physicalities and stuff like that, and is like, this is, look at this goblin. | ||
| Who is he talking to? | ||
| Who is he talking about? | ||
| He's talking about the guy who threw coffee on him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In the street. | ||
| Is he Jewish? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| This specific instance isn't as important as his tradition of people who have Semitic qualities visually being like, oh, look at that gross fucking... | ||
| And then using anti-Semitic canards in order to attack them. | ||
| Why is it that they always look like that with all of their... | ||
| I'm not going to say Jewish characteristics, but... | ||
| But at the same time, I love my wife's nose. | ||
| She's got a regal nose. | ||
| And I'm not saying that a nose is a Jewish characteristic at all. | ||
| That's not a stereotype. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| When you have to dance around it, that fucking means something. | ||
| Yes, it does. | ||
| When you have to burn it to cover up your crimes, it might have something to do with it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It means there's a crime to begin with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex announces a guest that we're not going to listen to. | ||
| We also have the gentleman. | ||
| He started the walk-away movement, who's liberal and gay and lives in New York, who got thrown out of an electronic shop. | ||
| They said, oh, you're alt-right, because you're on Tucker Carlson. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I won't sell you the microphone. | ||
| He's going to be joining us. | ||
| Liberal and gay appeared on Tucker Carlson, your alt-right get-out. | ||
| All of those things don't seem to fit together properly. | ||
| Well, this gentleman is a guy by the name of... | ||
| Boy, where's his fucking name? | ||
| I don't even care. | ||
| Brandon Stracca. | ||
| Where do these people come from? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's a guy who posted a video on YouTube. | ||
| I believe it was posted in May. | ||
| He posted a video where he was talking about how people need to walk away from the Democratic Party. | ||
| The Democratic Party uses people of color and LGBTQ people, but doesn't help them. | ||
| I agree 100%. | ||
| And started a hashtag walkaway movement. | ||
| It did not pick up any traction until fairly recently, which again, we're in July. | ||
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Yep. | |
| A bunch of bots started promoting it. | ||
| There have been forensic analyses of these accounts that really boosted the hashtag walkaway trend, and they are fake accounts. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| There's one that was very clearly pointed out here in an article on Daily Dot that got 16,000 retweets and 45,000 likes. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Yeah, and it's very clearly a fake account using a picture that was stolen from a Getty image. | ||
| Oh, okay, good. | ||
| These are all... | ||
| Dear news outlets, reverse Google image search is a good idea, Washington Post, quoting a clickhole article. | ||
| I'm not here to say, like, oh, this is a Russian front or anything like that, although there's probably some involvement. | ||
| But it's the same thing that you see over and over and over again. | ||
| It's less important that Russia is involved in it and more important that there are artificial forces that are boosting all of this. | ||
| There are these bot farms that do this in order to create... | ||
| It is by no means organic. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| And there's a reason to do it. | ||
| There's a fucking midterm election coming up. | ||
| This video got posted, what, three months ago, and now people are bringing it up in an astroturf-y way in order to push this. | ||
| So Alex has the guy on because he fucking loves it. | ||
| This is a really unfortunate development. | ||
| I really don't know... | ||
| Like, because here's the problem. | ||
| The Democratic Party is shit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so you get that old bullshit, you know, like, you supported Bernie Sanders and that ruined Hillary and you voted for... | ||
| I voted for Hillary and I think she's shit. | ||
| I don't fucking care. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's one of those, like, how do we successfully destroy the Democratic Party's leadership? | ||
| Without, at the same time, undermining our ability to destroy the Republican Party's leadership. | ||
| Maybe not destroy, but like... | ||
| Supplant? | ||
| Replace? | ||
| Perform a coup? | ||
| A counter-coup? | ||
| Improve? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Adjust? | ||
| Well, Dianne Feinstein needs to be gone. | ||
| Right, there's a lot of... | ||
| Much like the Mexicans that burn their fields. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We need to get a permit to get rid of these fucking Democratic bullshitters. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| Because what are they becoming? | ||
| Some well-meaning, and some... | ||
| Just ineffective and not good folk who have positions of power in the Democratic Party that are not representative of what should be the left party, the main left party. | ||
| No, I'm a ride-or-die Elizabeth Warren bitch, but... | ||
| But that doesn't mean... | ||
| Like, I don't think that that means that, like, hey, torpedo the entire party. | ||
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Right. | |
| I don't think you think that, but I think that some people do believe that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think there's a fine line to walk of... | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The problem is, I just don't know where that line is. | ||
| Because part of me wants to say, torpedo the fucking party. | ||
| And then at the same time, we have... | ||
| It's a seductive option. | ||
| We have Warren, we have Cortez, we have so many good people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, we have so many great people in the Democratic Party. | ||
| It seems like the Democratic Party is always split between people who just want to get power and people who give a shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the Republican Party is always... | ||
| Unified ideologically, regardless of whether or not they're con men. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You're being unfair to them. | ||
| There are some people who are just bad. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
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And then there are some people who are real bad. | |
| That's a good point. | ||
| I accept that. | ||
| There are... | ||
| Garden-variety mom-and-pop bad. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And then there's, like, Steve King. | ||
| You know, like, there's... | ||
| There are, you know, it's... | ||
| Your mom-and-pop store bad versus your Walmart bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And everyone's used to dealing with mom-and-pop bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's the game everyone thinks is being played. | ||
| And it's all, like, the rising tide is really bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That nascent... | ||
| It went through its birth pains eight, nine years ago, coming into the world. | ||
| That is what everyone's dealing with, and I don't think that the people who are in power on the Democratic Party side are ready to deal with that reality. | ||
| That's why they're ineffective and need to go. | ||
| At the same time, I think it's probably foolish to stake all hope on another party and being able to create it from the ground. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Ideally, what you would have is... | ||
| I mean, I'd love it if another party was able to do that, but I'm not sure that you are. | ||
| I hope you could, but I think it would be more effective in order to... | ||
| I think you would be able to... | ||
| The only thing that makes sense to me in regards to actually changing the Democratic Party leadership is to create a third party that is purely about progressive views, that only takes on Democrats, In situations where Democrats are overwhelmingly going to win anyways. | ||
| Like if Alexandria were to pull off a third party victory against the Democratic leadership, knowing full well that no matter what, the progressive side is going to win in that election. | ||
| All of a sudden, now we have a viable third party candidate that hasn't split the vote and destroyed the... | ||
| She was running as a third-party person she would lose in the general election. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| It's very likely. | ||
| Well, actually, no, it's 100% likely. | ||
| If she was not running as a Democrat, she wouldn't get that. | ||
| And this is why the reason that you need to have people like her, and I think this is one of the reasons why it's really important that Bernie did run as a Democrat, you have people who come into the party and try and push it left, as opposed to siphoning off votes and just... | ||
| Because if, like... | ||
| Now, let's create a perfect scenario. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You have the middle Democrats' imaginary entity. | ||
| You have the middle Republicans' imaginary entity as well. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Then you have the people on the left making their own party, and people on the right making their own patriot party. | ||
| And then it was a four-way election. | ||
| Then you would have... | ||
| Then we're in a different situation. | ||
| Well, you'd have votes being siphoned off from each candidate their own way, and you could see what happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That would be an interesting experiment, and I don't think it happened with Jill Stein and Gary Johnson existing in the 2016 election. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I think that you could have a much better... | ||
| I think each of those parties would still lose. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| New plan. | ||
| No. | ||
| Third party. | ||
| Only runs super progressive in areas where the Republicans are almost guaranteed to win. | ||
| So then you start asking yourself, is it... | ||
| Then you start really dealing with the strategy that Democrats have for red state Democrats. | ||
| Where they're like, maybe if we're just mostly Republican. | ||
| But a little bit not Republican. | ||
| Even Republicans and Democrats both will vote for us. | ||
| Then you have an option of, like, let's see how this policy applies there. | ||
| We've got nothing to lose. | ||
| It would be interesting as an experiment. | ||
| I'm in for it. | ||
| Knowing that you're going to lose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm in for it. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
|
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All right. | |
| Done. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Points to both of us. | ||
| Plus one for both. | ||
| So, Jordan, in this next clip. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Ha ha ha ha. | ||
| you Bye. | ||
| So, in this next clip, earlier I was chastising you a little bit, maybe unfairly, about violent rhetoric. | ||
| How dare you chastise me for the crimes that I might have committed? | ||
| I don't think they're crimes, but there's a reason, and that is because I don't like... | ||
| I just don't like any time that I feel like we're too close to Alex. | ||
| We're sounding like him, right? | ||
| I really don't like it, and here's... | ||
| I'll play this next clip, and you can see if you agree with me. | ||
| Word for word, what I say. | ||
| People are physically attacking people, running people out of stores, rioting, screaming, freaking out all over the country. | ||
| There's so many reports of it. | ||
| I can't even keep track of it. | ||
| A lot of it's up on Infowars.com. | ||
| Antifa's just beating up anybody that's got a bumper sticker that's Christian on their cars. | ||
| God, I wish. | ||
| I mean, there's so much of this pouring in. | ||
| We've got three new videos of them just beating up old women. | ||
| And let me tell you something, I see like 15 young punks beating up a 65, 70-year-old woman, and I'm going to be honest. | ||
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Ethel, Doris, and Myrna are fucked. | |
| I can't watch that stuff because it makes me angry at everybody around me. | ||
| I'm not trying to sound like a tough guy either, man. | ||
| How do you come up with grown men beating up old women? | ||
| I think he was saying that to himself. | ||
| How did I come up with that? | ||
| I'm pretty sure he jerks off to those videos of undocumented children screaming in ICE detention centers. | ||
| So how do you come up with old men or men beating up old women? | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| But in the middle of that, there is, like, when I see this, I just want to kill people. | ||
| You know, like, there is that. | ||
| And I think you're better than that. | ||
| I think you're better than... | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I think you're better than descending to the level of that, like, kind of rhetoric. | ||
| That's all. | ||
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Well... | |
| It's easy. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| No, and this may be a very weak tea argument. | ||
| My difference, I think, there is that... | ||
| I am not trying to blanket in terms of the... | ||
| Like, I disregard conservatives. | ||
| Like, they are something to be ignored. | ||
| They're nothing to me. | ||
| You know, like, none of your arguments make sense. | ||
| Nothing you say is anything but destructive, and you don't even know. | ||
| You're a patsy. | ||
| You know, you're the schlemiel. | ||
| The people who have it coming, though... | ||
| That's the difference, I feel like, between me and Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex is going to toss it out to anybody who disagrees with him. | ||
| I don't think if you disagree with me, that makes you evil. | ||
| But I know there are evil people. | ||
| There are people who are legitimately deserving. | ||
| Look, I mean, Dick Cheney should be in jail from... | ||
| 20 years ago until whenever he dies. | ||
| You and Alex agree on that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I don't understand why that is a... | ||
| Like, that is not on the table? | ||
| I don't understand that. | ||
| I don't understand why George W. is not in jail. | ||
| And so, if I say... | ||
| Well, I'm... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You functionally do. | ||
| From a functional standpoint, yes. | ||
| But if I am saying, like, those two fuckers need to be burned alive... | ||
| The reality of what I'm saying is they committed serious crimes and they are not being... | ||
| They're responsible for countless people literally burning alive. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, the people who have it coming... | ||
| And the problem with the rhetoric... | ||
| And I understand exactly where you're coming from. | ||
| Because the rhetoric makes it sound like I am saying that Alex... | ||
| I'm saying the same similar things that Alex is. | ||
| I don't want that to be what you think I'm accusing you of, because I'm not. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I'm just saying that the rhetoric has the same sound to it, of like, I want these people to die. | ||
| But what I really am trying to say is, like, there is no accountability to the people... | ||
| Who are actually causing all of this shit going down. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And Alex is not talking about accountability. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Alex is talking about punishment. | ||
| I am not talking about punishment. | ||
| And repression. | ||
| And repression, yeah. | ||
| He's not talking about punishing... | ||
| I mean, he does say lock her up and shit like that. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which is punishment. | ||
| He's talking about protesters. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| He's talking about just people who politically disagree with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| I don't want physically... | ||
| For Mitch McConnell to be murdered. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But at a certain point, exactly how do you hold Mitch McConnell accountable? | ||
| Send him to The Hague. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So I'm fine with that. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| The issue is that there's no emotional rhetoric behind, you need to go to court! | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| And you need to make an emotional appeal to people. | ||
| Otherwise, shit's not going to happen. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| And there's no part of me that wants to clip your emotional wings, as it were, and disallow you. | ||
| Baby, you can't. | ||
| I'm going to fly. | ||
| I have no interest in being a voice that says, like, hey, Jordan, calm down with your language or anything like that. | ||
| I just think from time to time, and maybe I'm just doing this because this episode's so boring, like Alex that we were talking about, there's a value, I think, from time to time to just addressing and being like, there's a difference. | ||
| When you scream, burn this person, there's not an actual desire to burn them. | ||
| There is an emotional truth behind they deserve being set on fire. | ||
| Like, emotionally. | ||
| Like, legitimately. | ||
| Emotionally. | ||
| I would not ever be able to watch a... | ||
| Like, if... | ||
| For real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If we burned Scott Pruitt alive. | ||
| You're a big climate change guy, so that would be one of your big villains. | ||
| That would be one of my huge ones, right? | ||
| I could never, ever watch it. | ||
| It would destroy me emotionally. | ||
| The simple idea of thinking about actually seeing it and knowing that the consequences of it are real would wreck me. | ||
| And the idea that I would have some part in bringing it about would wreck me forever. | ||
| However, Scott Pruitt... | ||
| Has killed people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has personally killed people. | ||
| With the things that he said, with the stroke of a pen, people have died because of him. | ||
| So how do you hold him accountable? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's what I really want. | ||
| I just want people who murdered to at least be called murderers. | ||
| He's a murderer! | ||
| Well, that part is well taken. | ||
| And that part's fine. | ||
| He should be in jail for the rest of his fucking life. | ||
| Sent to the Hague. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He should be quarantined from the rest of humanity because he's not allowed. | ||
| I think that's something I said a long time ago, and I stand by this. | ||
| And I have no... | ||
| I have no place in my heart that wishes to let people who are on the left, ostensibly, Democrats, be free of this sort of same standard. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| The only way that I really think that we can take the rot out of politics to a certain extent is, first of all, get money out of it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Immediately. | |
| We make moves to, I don't know, public financing for all campaigns. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Shorten the campaign season to like three months. | |
| You get back to the point where there are limits on campaign contributions. | ||
| Contributions, if any at all. | ||
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| You take all that out of it to get the purity of the turf back. | ||
| And then simultaneously you subject almost all politicians to international tribunals. | ||
| And who cares if other countries do it too? | ||
| But we have to... | ||
| If you want to say America is a city on a shining hill... | ||
| Then fucking be it. | ||
| The only way... | ||
| We talk about this all the time. | ||
| It's like, hey, George W. Bush committed war crimes. | ||
| Trump is committing war crimes. | ||
| And at the same time, we're very acknowledging that Obama is committing war crimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or has committed war crimes. | ||
| The whole thing is that we have this complacency in the United States of like... | ||
| In order to be president, because it's so difficult and challenging, and there's so many complicated issues, there's no way to do it without committing war crimes. | ||
| And that is part of the taint that needs to go away. | ||
| That's something that needs to go away, and the only way that's ever going to happen is if some people are held accountable. | ||
| Hopefully, all of them are held accountable. | ||
| Because there needs to be a thing where in the future, if you're the president and you kill thousands of civilians in a country... | ||
| Or you preside over that. | ||
| You're not the one in the plane. | ||
| You're not calling the drone strike individually, necessarily. | ||
| But you preside over that. | ||
| You're the one firing the gun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You are the ultimate responsibility. | ||
| And if you allow that to happen, I would say there is room in the conversation for rogue agents on a lower level, as long as they're punished. | ||
| the one responsible for X, Y, or Z going wrong, then maybe it doesn't go all the way up to the president. | ||
| But at some point, there needs to be sincere punishment for it. | ||
| And it doesn't mean... | ||
| Just because we say send them to the Hague, that makes it sound like they're going to end up killing them. | ||
| Maybe it's not. | ||
| Maybe it's not. | ||
| Maybe we take a little breath and say like, listen, these people committed war crimes. | ||
| We need to deal with it. | ||
| We can't Just kill them for as cathartic as that would be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But what we do is we say, alright, your estate is gone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We take away all of your ill-gotten gains. | ||
| We take away... | ||
| I'm fine with that! | ||
| Right. | ||
| We bring you down to a middle-class stature, which would be a delightful thing for something like me to have as I sell blood so I can pay rent. | ||
| Like, who the... | ||
| Which... | ||
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What was the last president that doesn't belong in jail? | |
| It's been a long time. | ||
| It's been a long fucking time. | ||
| It might be all of them. | ||
| It might be all of them. | ||
| But you understand. | ||
| I know you understand. | ||
| I hope people understand what I'm saying. | ||
| The only way that we're going to get better is if we deal with the excuses that we have for why we're not better. | ||
| And the little cheap things that we play, the little games that we play of like, well, Obama, he did kill a bunch of people. | ||
| You know, he blew up that hospital and that wedding with drone strikes, but he meant well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do agree that like, yes, there was probably good intent there. | ||
| That doesn't, that's not okay. | ||
| All of it is not okay. | ||
| If your good intent is like, instead of killing a thousand people, I want to kill 50. Is that, what good intent? | ||
| Like, I get. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, on a logical level, I get it. | ||
| And on an idealistic level, that's unacceptable. | ||
| The conversation I'm trying to have, I think, is taking this rage that you feel about these politicians and what they deserve, because they do, across the board. | ||
| Like, a lot of... | ||
| Granted. | ||
| More Republicans than Democrats, but Democrats are not shielded. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
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I think we've made that clear in our history. | |
| Yeah, but unfortunately, I think if you look at reality, the people who are the most guilty of the most heinous crimes always end up on the right. | ||
| Weird how conservatism leads towards crime. | ||
| But as the Democratic Party has shifted more and more to the right, oh, mysteriously, everybody commits more war crimes. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| But... | ||
| My point is that the way I think we deal with this, when you have out-of-control local things, local situations, like cops way out of control and stuff like that, I think one of the best ways that can be dealt with is with civilian review boards and things like that. | ||
| You have people who are not... | ||
| Not necessarily politicians who provide some oversight. | ||
| Just holding cops accountable. | ||
| That's a great start. | ||
| So now we take that to a macro level and you look at what... | ||
| And sure, I'm willing to have another conversation about international courts not being perfect. | ||
| How's Myanmar looking? | ||
| Not great. | ||
| But I think there are... | ||
| Which is not something to laugh at except in a gallows humor. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| But I think that... | ||
| I think big picture, if you pulled... | ||
| If there was a way to scientifically pull the entire world, which would be crazy, I would guess that there's about a 70% agreement in terms of what you can and can't do. | ||
| I would even argue that it's so much higher than that. | ||
| I went low conservative estimate. | ||
| Because I think that there's going to be... | ||
| 5% weird this way, 5% weird that way. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And who knows the other weird ways, you know? | ||
|
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YouTube. | |
| Sure. | ||
| 5% of us are there. | ||
| That's bullshit, because even the 5% nation would agree with what I'm saying. | ||
| I know! | ||
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Even they agree you can't kill people. | |
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, like, there are, like, a lot of fringe groups and stuff like that around the world that would still be on the same page in terms of, like, well, if you do this, there should be a consequence for it. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Even if we don't agree 100% culturally about women driving cars and what have you, that everyone likes to put wedges between us with. | ||
| I think we've gone very too far on this, but I still think the only way home is through accountability. | ||
| For everybody. | ||
| And that is going to require a lot of people taking some punches that they don't want to take. | ||
| On both sides. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you want to say to me, lock her up, about Hillary Clinton, in all honesty... | ||
| I bet you could find a reason. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Legitimately, if you just had somebody... | ||
| It's not the ones they say. | ||
| It's definitely not the ones they say, but if you start looking at anybody who is fucking rich, chances are you're going to find a crime. | ||
| Why is it that that... | ||
| Massive accumulation of wealth is not a natural thing. | ||
| It doesn't happen in a vacuum. | ||
| And it doesn't happen without committing some sort of atrocity at the end of the day. | ||
| Whether it's an atrocity, whether it's a conning, whether it's... | ||
| Someone like Elon Musk screwing his employees, whether it's Bezos screwing his employees. | ||
| Although our boy Hamdi Ulukaya seems like he's on the level, right? | ||
| But I don't think he's profoundly wealthy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I think that's the trick. | ||
| I know that he's very well off, but I don't think that he's a high-end billionaire or something like that. | ||
| I think that he's very rich, but also... | ||
| Or at the very least, he keeps it well under wraps. | ||
| From the things I've looked into about him, I think he's... | ||
| Probably pretty on the level about his money. | ||
| But even so, do more. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I mean, there's so much of it that just seems like acceptable loss. | ||
| Legitimately, this is what I want to say. | ||
| What do you want to say, Dan? | ||
| I survive off doing this podcast and the generous donations that people provide and selling my blood. | ||
| That's how I survive and pay my bills. | ||
| It is a tough, tight wire. | ||
| Tight wire? | ||
| Is that the word? | ||
| Hot wire? | ||
| High wire. | ||
| It's a high wire. | ||
| Hotwire.com. | ||
| It's a high wire act of me constantly just about to fall off this into the netting below. | ||
| And I'm not saying this to make myself sound great. | ||
| I still try to donate to causes that I care about. | ||
| Even though I'm at the point where I sometimes have to go to the store and I'm like, I can't afford cheese. | ||
| You know, like that sort of thing. | ||
| I still try to give a little bit of money here and there. | ||
| Let's extrapolate that to people like Hamdi Ulukaya, who is doing a lot, still could do more. | ||
| All these billionaires, you could fucking live on a million and give $900 million to the advancement of humanity. | ||
| And the fact that you don't is morally suspicious. | ||
| concept of living on a million dollars would boggle my mind. | ||
| And it's such a human social thing where it's like, well, once I live on a million dollars, I have to justify spending all this money. | ||
| Well, you have to justify two million. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Once you get there and feel the riches and the fun of it, you have an infinity pool. | ||
| And you're like, how do I have a bigger infinity pool that goes around the corner of my building? | ||
| It's a serious... | ||
| Question that I would, one, love to know the answer to, which is... | ||
| I can't imagine living beyond... | ||
| Like, if we were suddenly fucking TV personalities who made millions of dollars... | ||
| Which I'm not ready for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Even though you said I look like Snake Plissken. | ||
| You look like Snake Plissken. | ||
| I'm not ready for... | ||
| I'll remove your eye and then you'll be ready. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's just like a... | ||
| We should start doing the Escape from L.A. podcast. | ||
| Ooh, that would be a good podcast. | ||
| Of Snake. | ||
| Every day we watch... | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| Who am I? | ||
| I am the... | ||
| You can't come up with another character. | ||
| Oh no, what's his name? | ||
| The guy who rules LA. | ||
| I only remember Escape from New York. | ||
| He's a fucking insane person. | ||
| No, I can't imagine living any way other... | ||
| The only opulence, the only luxury that I want is to not have to be like, fuck, am I going to make it this month? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the only luxury that I really want. | ||
| I think that's the case for almost everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're a person who just keeps accelerating the luxuries that they want, you're probably committing a crime. | ||
| I would love for, and I know I've brought this up a couple times and I don't mean to keep banging on it, but I've been selling my plasma for money, which I don't find degrading at all and I kind of enjoy the process of it. | ||
| It's good to have some nice time to read. | ||
| See, again, your luxury is like... | ||
| Well, I like having time to read. | ||
| And I get paid to do it. | ||
| It's a bus trip over there, a bus trip back, and then you're an hour in the chair or whatever. | ||
| But at the same time, I get to read, I get to listen to some music. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We're bad at luxury. | ||
| It's not a bad time. | ||
| But what I would say is that I think that everybody who wants to bloviate about shit, go do that a couple times. | ||
| Go spend some time down at the Plasma Center. | ||
| Go down there and try and go talk to the people around there. | ||
| Go talk to and just experience the culture. | ||
| I'm not saying it's a bad culture at all, because I love it. | ||
| I think that the people down there are awesome. | ||
| But I would say it could open up some eyes of people who think that... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that a lot of people don't realize that there are so many people who rely on that sort of thing in order to make ends meet. | ||
| Because no one's going in and sitting down and having their blood drawn, then put back into them for $20, $30, $40 a session when they're doing well. | ||
| Everyone down there is doing bad. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| Well, if you want to even go into, like, if you want to talk about Bernie, Bernie has a few houses, you know? | ||
| Like, at what point do we legitimate, like... | ||
| Now you're into Alex rhetoric, baby. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The Mexican president, or president-elect, Amla, I believe, is his shortened acrostic name. | ||
| His promise of, like, I am going to turn the presidential house into a fucking museum. | ||
| I'm going to live the way that I lived last week. | ||
| I'm going to live the way that I lived a year ago. | ||
| I'm going to live at the Getty Museum. | ||
| Might. | ||
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And then underneath it, who knows what's fucking going on. | |
| But that kind of idea is like, yeah, duh. | ||
| Duh. | ||
| Why do you have so many people? | ||
| But also, that's the trick that populist leaders pull. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| That's the same thing that Trump does with, I'm going to donate my salary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he's already a fucking... | ||
| But when you're talking about Cortez versus... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Crowley? | ||
| I've already forgotten his name because he can go fuck himself. | ||
| When you're talking about that, one of her big points is just like, you don't fucking live here. | ||
| You don't live with any of these people. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| In a representative government, how can you represent people who live in a million percent different way than you do? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So maybe that's the third point of it, along with sending people to The Hague. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that we're seeing the blossoms of it, the beginnings of it, in terms of actual citizens going up for being representatives. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I think that's always healthier than career politicians. | ||
| And all of those actual people. | ||
| Or people who have... | ||
| Ruined themselves from high school through debate teams. | ||
| All of those women, the people of color, all of them for whom the Democratic Party has voiced so much non-support in the past year. | ||
| Hashtag walk away. | ||
| They try so hard to keep those people away from power. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| It's so much a one-step-forward, two-step-backs. | ||
| Well, I mean, sometimes survival means going through something really bad. | ||
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| And perhaps the survival of the Democratic Party will be getting their comeuppance and recognizing that, like you were saying, people of color, women, gay, LGBT folk, they're the people whose voices need to be heard the most. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| At risk with liberal platforms not surviving. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We have very little skin in the game, and if we were craven, manipulative weirdos, we should go to the right. | ||
| Oh man, we would fucking... | ||
| If we were... | ||
| If we just only cared about that, then that would be the smart thing to do. | ||
| See, that's our problem. | ||
| We are too smart to con people the correct way. | ||
| We would feel bad about it. | ||
| We could fucking... | ||
| If we just sat down... | ||
| I'd also say I'm not interested in it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It has nothing to do with that. | ||
| If we sat down and wrote a conservative playbook, we would fucking kill it. | ||
| Hit me up, Roger. | ||
| It would be so easy. | ||
| Roger, Roger, you're probably... | ||
| Roger. | ||
| Hit up your boy. | ||
| We could fucking wreck your world. | ||
| You don't even know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if we sat down... | ||
| You know, with a nice six-pack, I think we could probably figure out a way to mask liberal concerns in conservative talking points. | ||
| Oh yeah, we could nail it. | ||
| I think there's probably a way that all of these people seem to not be able to do, which thankfully they can't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They try. | ||
| They try, but they're so bad at it, because they just can't process that information. | ||
| This walk-away shit is an effort. | ||
| You see it over and over again with these astroturfed social media accounts. | ||
| Anyway, let's do it. | ||
| We have one more clip. | ||
| Let's close this down. | ||
| But before we do that, I thought I had another clip about the Hammonds, and I was going to try and bookend the show by... | ||
| I didn't tell you everything about the Hammonds. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| How is there more to know? | ||
| I thought that I had another clip of Alex talking about how great they are. | ||
| They're serial arsonists who were very close to committing manslaughter. | ||
| I have bad news. | ||
| Steve and Dwight Hammond are also most likely child abusers. | ||
| God! | ||
| So this is about their then 16-year-old nephew, Steve's 16-year-old nephew, Dusty? | ||
| No, I don't want to know. | ||
| This is from a police report. | ||
| Quote, Dusty told me in the past several months the discipline has gotten worse and worse. | ||
| Dusty told me that two or three months ago he and Steve had gotten into an argument about how Dusty was doing his chores. | ||
| Dusty stated that Steve became very upset and charged him. | ||
| Dusty stated that Steve hit him in the chest with a closed fist, knocking him to the ground. | ||
| Dusty stated that Steve then took Dusty's face and rubbed it into the gravel. | ||
| Dusty stated that this action hurt and made him fearful of Steve. | ||
| The report says that when Dusty was caught with alcohol, Steve had driven him at least 10 miles from the ranch and made Dusty walk back. | ||
| The report further states that when Dusty was caught with tobacco, Steve made him eat two cans of Skoll smokeless tobacco, then again drove him ten miles away from the ranch and made him walk back. | ||
| On one occasion in 2004, Dusty had carved initials into his chest with a little pin. | ||
| Nothing that was going to give him a scar or anything like that, but... | ||
| I don't know why people act out. | ||
| He was young. | ||
| Quote, then Dusty stated that Steve told him that he was not going to let Dusty deface the family by carving on himself. | ||
| Dusty stated that Steve then took him and began to sand the initials off his chest. | ||
| Steve sanded on each side of his chest for at least five minutes. | ||
| Steve used a very coarse sandpaper to sand off the initials. | ||
| The report goes on. | ||
| Quote, Dusty told me that the process... | ||
| For real, you should have said trigger warning before starting this. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He told me that the process was very painful. | ||
| Because this is not okay. | ||
| That he did not cry. | ||
| I'm really not doing great. | ||
| Because he knew that Steve would continue the process for a longer period of time. | ||
| Quote, Dusty told me that Steve told him that if the sanding did not remove the initials, he would fillet the initials off Dusty's chest. | ||
| Quote, Steve Hammond began by telling me that raising kids is like raising cows or dogs, the report says. | ||
| As recounted in the report, the Hammonds then suggested that Dusty himself was responsible for the severity of the wounds. | ||
| The Hammonds told me that after the sanding was completed, Dusty made the comment that he did not think the areas were sanded deep enough and thought that we should use steel wool to sand the areas some more. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Hey, so you remember all that stuff I said about how I would feel bad if I watched Mitch McConnell burn alive? | ||
| That's gone. | ||
| That's gone. | ||
| No, that's, I'm out. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| I can watch the worst things happen to that guy now. | ||
| I can legitimately watch the worst things happen to that guy. | ||
| By the way, the people who are doing this to this 16-year-old kid are the people who Trump just pardoned. | ||
| I could, oh my god. | ||
| So that was when he was 16. Fuck. | ||
| So years later, when he was 21, quote, when interviewed by federal agents, the 21-year-old Dusty Hammond said that he feared that when Steve Hammond learned he had talked to police, that Stephen would come to his front door and kill him. | ||
| The papers said. | ||
| Asked about their arsons, Dusty said, quote, Stephen started handing out boxes of Strike Anywhere matches and said, we're going to light up the whole country on fire, Dusty told the jury. | ||
| He said that Steve had pointed to a spot on the skyline and told him to head there. | ||
| Quote, he just said, start lighting them and walk in that direction until you run out, Dusty testified. | ||
| Quote, Dwight told me to keep my mouth shut that nobody needed to know about the fire. | ||
| These guys are serial killers. | ||
| That's what these guys are. | ||
| I mean, maybe not. | ||
| Like, you look at the same... | ||
| Oh, funny story. | ||
| Like, this is the hillside strangler behavior. | ||
| This is the same... | ||
| It's the hills have eyes. | ||
| All right, there you go. | ||
| It's the same shit. | ||
| These are psychopaths. | ||
| But in that same story, when he was told to just keep dropping matches until he ran out, he did that. | ||
| Dusty did that. | ||
| And then he realized that he was becoming surrounded by fire. | ||
| And almost died trying to escape the fire that he and his uncle had started. | ||
| Uncle and grandfather. | ||
| This is profound familial abuse. | ||
| This is disgusting. | ||
| To hear this sort of thing, it's like, all the arsons, yeah, that's bad. | ||
| You've caused a million dollars plus of damage to the United States. | ||
| But that's fucking money. | ||
| And it's covering up your illegal animal kills and what have you. | ||
| This is indicative of how you treat the people closest to you. | ||
| This is fucking unforgivable. | ||
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I don't know if you've ever read The Road Out of Hell. | |
| No. | ||
| It's a story about a... | ||
| I don't even want to get into it. | ||
| Maybe read it. | ||
| Absolutely don't. | ||
| But this is such that same story. | ||
| It's that same story of this fucking abusive, monstrous family purely by evil will fucking corrupting this... | ||
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Oh, fuck! | |
| This is brutal. | ||
| I know. | ||
| This is fucking brutal. | ||
| No, I'm past it. | ||
| I'm past it. | ||
| All of my previous, like, hey, maybe... | ||
| No. | ||
| Fucking burn these people alive. | ||
| I will watch this with... | ||
| Fucking joy. | ||
| Hey, Alex. | ||
| I will watch it. | ||
| If you burn fucking Sheriff Arpaio, or whatever that fuck needs to be lit on fire. | ||
| Why is it that everybody that Trump has pardoned, except for, what's her face? | ||
| Kim Kardashian? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She seemed great. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Why is it that everybody else needs to be burned alive? | ||
| Why? | ||
| And also, that's such a weird... | ||
| There's a strategy to all of it. | ||
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Yeah, there is a strategy to all of it. | |
| I got it. | ||
| The other thing that I want to bring into very, very, very, very sharp focus is the amount of play Alex gets off of fears about these globalist child-grabbing and abusing networks and what have you. | ||
| And when you really look at the reality of this sort of thing... | ||
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The only people he protects are the people who do it. | |
| But more importantly, that sort of thing does exist on some scale. | ||
| It's not as big as the abuse that's perpetrated by people who you know. | ||
| Every time he talks about kids in cages, we've talked about this, the only stories you're ever going to find are parents who keep their kids in cages. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| With the exception of our border policy now. | ||
| Well, Dan Savage has always brought up for the longest time how, like... | ||
| Conservatives are so angry about trans people using the bathroom that they identify with and who is the most likely to be assaulted or raped or sexually assaulted in those bathrooms? | ||
| Trans people. | ||
| Who is the most likely to sexually assault somebody? | ||
| It is your fucking youth pastor. | ||
| Like, these are the people who you are protecting so hard who are the ones that are the very fear you are bitching about. | ||
| It's people with access. | ||
| It's people with... | ||
| The positions of trust in people's lives are generally people who exploit that trust. | ||
| Child molesters are, what, like 90% of the time somebody that the family knows and trusts? | ||
| Or like uncle, in quotes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, like a friend of the family, that sort of thing. | ||
| And I don't want to give a lengthy treatise on this, but the reason that I think that this stuff is so important, and I rebuke your trigger warning, although perhaps I should have brought it up. | ||
| I didn't realize how offensive that might be. | ||
| Just talking about this real stuff that they did. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I get you. | ||
| The reason that I think this is very important is because, like, the reality of child abuse in America is a lot of it is done by familial people and by people who are trusted, like we said. | ||
| In the name of good parenting all too often. | ||
| Alex creates this boogeyman of this... | ||
| A macabre network of Satanists and demons and what have you in order to get mad at a problem that he refuses to deal with. | ||
| And like you said, I don't think that this is always the case, but it does seem to track pretty well that a lot of the times the people he supports are the people who have this in their history. | ||
| They're the people like what we have here. | ||
| People like, I mean, he always talks about that damn plane. | ||
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That fucking plane. | |
| Complaining about Clinton being friends with Jeffrey Epstein. | ||
| As we've gone over multiple, multiple times, Trump has been on that goddamn plane. | ||
| Trump is good friends with him. | ||
| Trump did an interview talking about how he likes his women young. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| To me, this is less interesting and more just like... | ||
| Just stop, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| Because I don't believe that Alex doesn't know this. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't believe for a second he hasn't heard about this. | ||
| And what he does is say, fake news. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I think people will bend over backwards often to make any kind of excuse for somebody that they like. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is something that's in the... | ||
| But we don't. | ||
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We don't. | |
| I like Obama and I want him to go to the Hague! | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Jordan, we got one more clip. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| The dismount has arrived! | ||
| And this clip, I would say, actually goes back to a conspiracy theory you were peddling earlier in the show. | ||
| Oh, was I peddling it earlier? | ||
| About backroom deals. | ||
| Am I peddling conspiracy theories now, dude? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| That's not fair to me. | ||
| So it's about that idea that Trump and Anthony Kennedy had a backroom deal going on about this. | ||
| Because they probably did. | ||
| Well, Alex has Roger Stone on. | ||
| So they definitely did. | ||
| The moment Roger Stone is involved with a take, anything that he says is like, oh no, that definitely happened. | ||
| Well, it comes up. | ||
| Roger Stone, we were talking, we only have a minute left for this Paul Watson report, about the fact that the White House doesn't deny a report Trump made secret deal with Kennedy over retirement replacement. | ||
| Well, that's think progress. | ||
| They just didn't respond to it. | ||
| But the whole point is, if Kennedy's leaving... | ||
| And they end up putting his old law clerk in there. | ||
| That would make sense. | ||
| It's not illegal. | ||
| Of how Trump makes deals to get things done. | ||
| ThinkProgress is the single least reliable fake news site anywhere on the internet. | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| I don't think he's totally wrong. | ||
| I'm not a huge fan of ThinkProgress. | ||
| But at the same time, if you're targeted by Roger Stone as being the least... | ||
| Trustable, most fake news site. | ||
| You're doing something right. | ||
| I would say they're not my go-to for information. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| So him getting mad at them, like, eh, all right. | ||
| Play the field, Roger. | ||
| Anything they write is false. | ||
| They cannot be taken seriously in any way. | ||
| My point earlier was one of simple speculation. | ||
| I don't know that that happened, but if it did, it would not be illegal. | ||
| If the president told Justice Kennedy that he would consider his former clerk, Brett Kavanaugh, who everyone agrees is qualified, that would not be in the slightest bit inappropriate. | ||
| So, they are now having this conversation where they're like, now, if they did that, that wouldn't be bad, which makes me think they fucking did that. | ||
| If Trump did collude with the Russians, it's not illegal. | ||
| If Trump did obstruct justice, it's not illegal! | ||
| If Trump pardoned people illegally, that's not illegal! | ||
| I told you earlier that I feel like there's no concrete footing for us to be on about this. | ||
| The backroom deal and what have you. | ||
| This one sounds concrete. | ||
| Well, not concrete, but boy does it make me more think like, yeah, that probably happened. | ||
| Oh yeah, that definitely happened. | ||
| When I hear Alex Jones and Roger Stone sit around talking about like, well, if he did it, it's totally cool. | ||
| That means like, oh no, there's something even more illegal going on. | ||
| That's the evolution of Rudy Giuliani's public defense of Trump. | ||
| Okay, so maybe he took meetings. | ||
| But we can't confirm that. | ||
| Okay, so yeah, we can confirm that he took meetings. | ||
| But even if he did, that's not illegal. | ||
| Okay, so maybe those meetings were illegal. | ||
| But illegal doesn't even mean anything. | ||
| So maybe legal doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Anyways, he should be able to run everything forever, forever. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| I'm Rudy Giuliani. | ||
| And after we go through all of that, then it's like... | ||
| Hey, I don't have any foreign clients anymore now that I'm in Trump's legal team. | ||
| Oh, I still have foreign clients. | ||
| They're mysteriously sort of connected to Trump-related things. | ||
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I mean, yeah. | |
| But I don't talk to Trump about my foreign clients. | ||
| It's not a big deal. | ||
| I mean, yeah, I do talk to him about my foreign clients. | ||
| I mean, yeah, they are his foreign clients. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| So, Jordan, this brings us to the end of this shit. | ||
| Right, with Roger Stone totally telling us the truth. | ||
| Or maybe not even truth he knows, but like preemptive damage control kind of truth. | ||
| See, I have come to the place where now I just instinctively believe that Roger A. knows everything and B. is lying about everything. | ||
| Somehow Roger Stone has taken the... | ||
| Like, I've called him a trickster god before. | ||
| I've called him Loki, but... | ||
| Fuck if it doesn't seem like he is everywhere always. | ||
| But I also think he's wrong all the time. | ||
| Because clearly he was the one telling Alex that Napolitano was going to be the Supreme Court choice. | ||
| Right, but then we can always just rely back on him fucking with Alex for the fun of it. | ||
| No, totally. | ||
| But it's very unclear trying to figure out where is... | ||
| Where is the line of fucking around? | ||
| Where is the line of, like, this is what I care about? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I was talking with Marty when he was in here about, like, what are Stone's motivations? | ||
| And, like, I don't fucking know. | ||
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I can't nail that down at all. | |
| No one does. | ||
| No one does. | ||
| He's a lunatic. | ||
| Full of chaos. | ||
| But it's interesting, though, too, that, like, the trend is very clear within his chaos of being, like, I'm going to offer a preemptive explanation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That'll allow for us to have a conversation when the truth comes out that you can still sell your iodine. | ||
| I'm gonna tell you something. | ||
| And I'm going to leave enough open space for me to then tell you anything. | ||
| And you might believe me. | ||
| Regardless. | ||
| Like, it doesn't matter. | ||
| His starting point is like an open question. | ||
| It's always... | ||
| He is such a psychic. | ||
| Like, he is such a palm reader, where he's doing a cold read, and then he's reacting based on what you're saying. | ||
| John Edwards. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not the former vice president. | ||
| Yeah, but also, oh boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, he's just doing that cold read, and then the react based on how you react to him. | ||
| And he's so good at it. | ||
| He is a sleight-of-hand master. | ||
| He's very good. | ||
| Yeah, he's very good. | ||
| That's what comes from decades of lying to people. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, he's got the years. | ||
| And, like, we could lie to people. | ||
| Right? | ||
| We could fucking lie to people. | ||
| I don't know if we could. | ||
| No, no, but I'm saying we could. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe we wouldn't be good at it at first, but we could lie. | ||
| Oh, if we put the work in. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| We could lie to people. | ||
| If we did the 10,000 hours, the Malcolm Gladwell towards lying. | ||
| Well, I mean, you just skipped to the end of what I was trying to say. | ||
| He has. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's put in that $10,000. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And it's high-stakes lying. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| I could lie to you. | ||
| I could lie to my roommates. | ||
| I could lie to my friends. | ||
| It wouldn't be as high-stakes as him lying to the president of Ukraine. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| People forget that Stone was a part of the Stone Manafort. | ||
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That's right. | |
| They did. | ||
| They did public relations shit for despots. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| They are no slouches in terms of fucking around in international politics. | ||
| I'm going to be honest, though. | ||
| I kind of think I would do way better at lying to the president of Ukraine than I would at lying to you. | ||
| We know it's personal. | ||
| Boy, I don't like that. | ||
| It's personal. | ||
| No, because I also think it would be much more terrifying to lie to a president, and so you would be on your toes. | ||
| I would fucking... | ||
| It would be the delight of my life. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| I want to lie to a president. | ||
| Before I die... | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| Before I die, I want to lie to a president. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I respect that, and I agree with you. | ||
| But I think that the stakes of it being so high, you bring your game face. | ||
| You would bring the full power. | ||
| It might emotionally hurt you later, but it would be easy. | ||
| You think it'd be easy? | ||
| I think it would. | ||
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I don't know if I've ever lied to you. | |
| I really don't. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| I would have to think really hard about it. | ||
| At best, the best possibility for me to have lied to you would be like, you were like, hey, do you want to do something tonight? | ||
| And I'd be like, I got a gig. | ||
| That would be the most, like, that's the way I lie to my family. | ||
| You're just admitting to lying about gigs. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| No, I would not lie to it. | ||
| I lie to my family about having a gig. | ||
| I would not lie to you about that. | ||
| I would tell you the truth. | ||
| I'd be like, nah, I'm not fucking... | ||
| I'm not in for tonight. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Tonight is I'm ordering a shit ton of pizza and eating it sadly. | ||
| I mean, maybe you and I are bad examples because, like, why the fuck would we lie to each other? | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| Again, the stakes are real low. | ||
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Well, and... | |
| The depths of... | ||
| What were you like? | ||
| What the fuck am I going to judge you for? | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| At a certain point, once you've gotten... | ||
| That's not even... | ||
| That shouldn't even factor into the conversation. | ||
| Yeah, once you've gotten rid of all the shit you normally lie about, what do you got to lose? | ||
| Why lie at this point? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know that I live my life the way I live it. | ||
| Yeah, you know I live my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Neither of it's great. | ||
| Move on. | ||
| But there are people that you might want to impress that you could lie to. | ||
| And I know I told you we were going to dismount. | ||
| And I don't know why we got down this track. | ||
| Again, sidetracked so hard. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| My point is that Roger Stone is a pro liar. | ||
| He's so good at it. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| It is such a... | ||
| But it's why... | ||
| I hate that he has become something of an anti... | ||
| He is fucking Walter White in Breaking Bad. | ||
| He has become something of an anti-hero to me. | ||
| He's Siler on heroes. | ||
| I want to see how far he can take it. | ||
| Like, I want to see, what is the comeuppance for his level of life? | ||
| He's like the political Smokey and the Bandit. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah, he's just always... | ||
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Is he gonna make it? | |
| He's just always going. | ||
| He is always one step... | ||
| He is Aladdin. | ||
| He's one step... | ||
| Ahead. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| No, I don't think so either. | ||
| But he really pulls it off. | ||
| He's lying to us about his ability to lie! | ||
| I think we're fantasy booking and imagining what he's actually doing. | ||
| I think he's much more of a shithead than we're wrestling with. | ||
| But it's more fun than anything else because the rest of it really is just like... | ||
| Alex pretending that he didn't say that Napolitano was going to be the Supreme Court justice and then being like, Kavanaugh's great, even though he was involved with Bush in the stuff that Alex complains about, big scale about Bush, in terms of indefinite detention, in terms of saying that U.S. citizens who are deemed enemy combatants don't have rights, that sort of stuff. | ||
| Kavanaugh was fucking involved with that stuff. | ||
| And then Alex not taking into account the reality of who the people that Trump are pardoning are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The fact that they are child abusers. | ||
| The fact that they are arsonists. | ||
| And not in some sort of an innocent backburn kind of way. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| But the reality is Alex doesn't give a shit. | ||
| And here's why. | ||
| The principles that would guide him to be against these things aren't real. | ||
| They're for show. | ||
| The things that matter are that, like, Trump pardoning the Hammonds is a tip of the cap to the militias. | ||
| It's a tip of the cap to the sovereign citizens and the Bundy types in the world. | ||
| And he gets it. | ||
| Message received. | ||
| Thank you so much, Daddy. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a great way of putting it. | ||
| Thank you so much, Daddy. | ||
| Kavanaugh coming in isn't Napolitano, who's a nut, Kavanaugh's a nut. | ||
| He's a nut. | ||
| But Alex really wrestles with it. | ||
| He's like, yeah, this will probably score points in terms of the things that I care about. | ||
| He's not into immigrants. | ||
| He hates women's right to choose, women's access to health care. | ||
| He loves guns. | ||
| So those are the things that are real. | ||
| The shit that's real is, I want fucking guns all over the place, and I don't like people who are different. | ||
| Yeah, the New York Times. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| The New York Times had a, some fuck, some fucking fuck write a liberal's case for Kavanaugh. | ||
| I saw that headline, I said hard pass. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, right? | ||
| I didn't want to know what it is. | ||
| Like, who fuck, shut the fuck up. | ||
| If you even pretend that that is a headline that is acceptable, Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Are you shitting me? | ||
| A liberal's case for Kavanaugh? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| A liberal's case for running into a lake and then lighting yourself on fire and then hanging yourself and then tying a rope to your fucking legs with a rock attached to it and then falling into that fucking lake and then somehow underwater... | ||
| Jerking off so hard you light yourself on fire again. | ||
| The only way I accept that is if that article is like 50-something pages long. | ||
| And it's an extensive treatise about how liberal doesn't mean caring about people. | ||
| If Thomas Paine wrote it? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if it's nailed to a door. | ||
| You know, like, that's the only way. | ||
| If it's treaties. | ||
| I don't want it on a message board. | ||
| I don't want it on the internet. | ||
| But if it's, like, you know what? | ||
| We're in a different time. | ||
| Maybe staple gun. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You know, like, that's the only way I give a shit about that. | ||
| That was my biggest quibble with Martin Luther. | ||
| No staple guns. | ||
| No. | ||
| That was the biggest issue I had with the whole Protestant Reformation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No staple guns. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| You know, like, this is something that's actually been fucking me up for a while. | ||
| Stable guns? | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What do we got? | ||
| Advertising comedy shows, I have a staple gun, so I'd put up signs on posts and stuff like that. | ||
| You have a staple gun? | ||
| Are you licensed to use that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Concealed carry? | ||
| Concealed carry staple gun. | ||
| But I would put up signs on posts and stuff like that. | ||
| And I've seen it a couple times. | ||
| Recently, people posting warnings about reactionary neo-Nazi signs that people put up, and then they hide razor blades behind them. | ||
| I've seen that, too! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You get your fucked up. | ||
| That terrifies me. | ||
| I don't know why, but on a visceral level, that has fucked me up for days. | ||
| I've not encountered it. | ||
| I don't really know if it's endemic, but just the idea of it... | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's so evil. | ||
| Here's the way I immediately react to that. | ||
| That, to me, sounds exactly like somebody's putting razor blades in your Halloween candy. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
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Right? | |
| It sounds exactly like that, and yet at the same time, the people who are doing it seem like they would totally do that. | ||
| And in fact, it bothers me that you said they might do that, because I think the people who would do that... | ||
| Are not smart enough to think of that idea. | ||
| And because you said that they might have done that idea, they're like, oh shit! | ||
| That's a great way to be more evil than we already are. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| That's the modern terror for me. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's how white we are. | ||
| The most terrifying thing that we are aware of is razor blades behind flyers. | ||
| No, I'm much more terrified about a lot of other things, but, like, on a visceral level. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because I've been cut by things and stuff like that. | ||
| I know that, like, ah! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I've felt that moment, and, like, I never want to feel it again. | ||
| Or, like, being surprised by something like, yeah, like, the momentum is all, like, the adrenaline is going in one direction, and then it immediately changes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's... | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| No thanks. | ||
| No. | ||
| Hard pass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just like the liberals' argument for why fuck-puck-buck-fuck is okay for the Supreme Court. | ||
| Wonderful summation. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I thought you were just going to do some scat. | ||
| You kind of did. | ||
| You just did a beep-bop-boop-boops. | ||
| Fuck-buck-buck-buck-fuck-fuck. | ||
| I didn't think you were going to land on Supreme Court. | ||
| You didn't think so? | ||
| No, come on. | ||
| I'm no Ella Fitzgerald. | ||
| No, but you are. | ||
| On par with Scatman John, rest in peace. | ||
| Scatman! | ||
| All right. | ||
| Man, Scatman John was a fucking liberal. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Rest in peace. | ||
| Was. | ||
| Man. | ||
| You ever hear that song, Scatman's World? | ||
| For somebody who is really interested in the dismount. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| No, I have not. | ||
| You are not going to play it right now. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Knowledge Fight listeners, Dan is plugging in his fucking phone. | ||
| We're not even going to wind up doing a solid who's gonna go fuck themselves. | ||
| We're gonna be too busy listening to this entire goddamn song while Rome burns, Dan. | ||
| Dan, Rome is burning as we speak. | ||
| Kavanaugh is going to be accepted as a Supreme Court justice. | ||
| We're going to wind up dealing with this fuck for at least another eight years before eventually somebody... | ||
| Burns this fucking country to the ground. | ||
| Could be us, could be them, could be whomever. | ||
| But this country is going to be burned to the fucking ground if Kavanaugh is accepted as a Supreme Court justice. | ||
| That's very important. | ||
| But more important is my point right now, that Scatman John is a goddamn liberal. | ||
| Was a goddamn liberal. | ||
| Rest in peace. | ||
| This song, Scatman's World, paints a picture that I believe should be all of our YouTube. | ||
| I'm going to go home now. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| You've got to finish that beer. | ||
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*laughs* | |
| Batman's world. | ||
| I like how when we have arguments that are off topic, you're like, Boo! | ||
| How dare we? | ||
| And then you just play this fucking song. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| If you are a regular Knowledge Fight listener, how bored is Dan by the present modern day Alex Jones? | ||
| He is so bored he's playing Scatman World or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| He's calling out from Scatland. | ||
| He's calling out from Scatman's World. | ||
| If you listen to him, you gotta learn to break free. | ||
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You gotta learn how to see in your fantasy. | |
| Now, there's a lot of window dressing in terms of the scatting. | ||
| In terms of that. | ||
| Can't scat. | ||
| And the weird synth beat and what have you. | ||
| But listen to what he's actually saying. | ||
| Listen to what he's saying. | ||
| I'm amazed you're still doing this bit. | ||
| Listen to what he's saying. | ||
| Listen to these lyrics. | ||
| I'm really shocked by this bit. | ||
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Everybody's talking something very shocking just to keep on blocking. | |
| But listen to me, brother. | ||
| Because you and me and sister ain't got nothing to hide. | ||
| Scat man, fat man. | ||
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Tell me about the color of your soul. | |
| Part of your solution. | ||
| This is a... | ||
| Then I don't want to hear your stories told. | ||
| I want to welcome you to Scatman's World. | ||
| This is how Knowledge Fight ends. | ||
| Not with a bang, but with the Scatman. | ||
| Did you not hear his lyric right there? | ||
| If part of your solution isn't ending the pollution, then I don't want to hear your stories told. | ||
| I want to welcome you to Scatman's World. | ||
| Dan, I think if you wanted to look us up and hear more about Scatman's World... | ||
| You can go to our Twitter account. | ||
| We're all calling out from Scatland. | ||
| Our website is knowledgefight.com. | ||
| It's a good website. | ||
| You can go to Twitter account at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are. | ||
| You can go home and tell your mother your brother. | ||
| Rest in peace, Scatman John. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And iTunes, leave a review. | ||
| Also, look up Scatman John. | ||
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Leave a review on his page as well as ours. | |
| He's pretty cool. | ||
| Except for that hat. | ||
| I didn't like that hat. | ||
| But, be that as it may, Jordan, I had to choose. | ||
| No, I didn't, but it's your turn. | ||
| Alright, fair enough. | ||
| A lot of shitty people here. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I don't think I heard the end of it. | ||
| Did you and Marty choose who to go fuck it? | ||
| We did. | ||
| I believe it was Vince Russo. | ||
| It was Vince Russo. | ||
| Vince Russo got told to fuck themselves. | ||
| I'm not going to re-up on that one. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's so many people who are terrible. | ||
| We got two Hammonds. | ||
| Two different Hammonds. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We got Alex. | ||
| We got Kavanaugh. | ||
| We got so many people who suck. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| But the reality of this is... | ||
| If you say Scatman, I'm going to dive over this table. | ||
| I'm not going to do that. | ||
| I wouldn't even dream of doing that. | ||
| You know that my anger is genuine. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I have to say... | ||
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Whoever... | |
| We also got Stan Deo. | ||
| He's in the mix. | ||
| Stan Deo's in the mix, but you don't know. | ||
| Well, you do. | ||
| I think whomever in the Hammond family who began that tradition of abuse that led to these psychopaths continuing this endless destruction of lives with no concern is... | ||
| Ultimately deserving of the biggest go fuck yourself, along with the Hammonds themselves, who, again, I will watch burn alive. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| That's incredibly vague, but I will join you on three. | ||
| One, two, three. | ||
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Go fuck yourself, Hammonds. | |
| We don't have to synchronize. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |