Today, Dan tells "Replacement Jordan" Marty DeRosa about the time that Rowdy Roddy Piper unfortunately appeared on the Alex Jones Show. It's real sad to wrestle with how dumb Piper is, given how cool he seems to have been, but reality is reality. Also, Dan and Marty get off-track about a hundred times, mostly about cop TV shows.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| Today, Jordan, he's had a nice weekend out at the Chicago Improv doing some stand-up comedy. | ||
| His schedule was too compact in order to get into the studio and record an episode where we would talk a bunch about Alex Jones and drinking novelty beverages. | ||
| And in his absence, I'm thrilled. | ||
| To welcome back into the studio someone who I know a few things about. | ||
| One of them. | ||
| He loves wrestling. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| Oh, you know more about me than that. | ||
| What else do you know about me? | ||
| Oh, you're from Indiana. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You had an obsession with tree houses as a child. | ||
| What? | ||
| Didn't you always want to break into people's treehouses or climb up other people's trees? | ||
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I was as an adult. | |
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| I was as an adult. | ||
| Let's see, what else do I know about you? | ||
| Former fleshlight owner. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Backyard wrestler. | ||
| Backyard wrestler. | ||
| That goes back into the loving wrestling thing. | ||
| And former... | ||
| Former one-time professional wrestler. | ||
| Hurricane Rana Achiever. | ||
| Hurricane Rana Achiever. | ||
| That's pretty huge. | ||
| I've seen three angles of that video now. | ||
| Each one better than the last. | ||
| Still gets better. | ||
| You were un-victorious, though, along with Cold Cabana down at Pancakes and Piledrivers. | ||
| What they say in the wrestling business, Dan, is you go in this business on your back and you leave on your back. | ||
| Sure, you had to put the guys over. | ||
| You gotta put luck. | ||
| They're gonna be here. | ||
| I'm gone. | ||
| Those kids. | ||
| I'm gonna put those kids over. | ||
| That's big of you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I respect that a whole bunch. | ||
| I'm on Alex Jones' Beard Watch. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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He... | |
| We joked right before we started recording that we might talk about his beard this entire time. | ||
| He, when he first started... | ||
| Right. | ||
| The victory beard, as he called it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He had one of those beards. | ||
| Sometimes, like, if I have a little, like, if I have to shave or whatever and I have, like, a five-day growth or something, I'm like, oh, this looks cool. | ||
| He has that face that it looks like if you did an old-timey, like, hobo. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Like, all he needs is like a little cigar. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, and a bandana with all his goods wrapped in it. | ||
| Like, he just looks like a train wreck. | ||
| It looks like a disaster. | ||
| And I think someone on our Facebook group, which is called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant, someone on there made a good comment that this is probably his way of trying to transition into being a bald guy with a goatee. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Like a cool, bald goatee man. | ||
| We've all been there. | ||
| At least I have. | ||
| I think I probably actually did do that in, like, high school. | ||
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Did you? | |
| Because I used to shave my head in high school. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a dick. | ||
| I think I had a good head for a buzz cut. | ||
| No, sir. | ||
| No, you do. | ||
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No, sir. | |
| You should see the back of it. | ||
| Because you got the peak. | ||
| I do have the widow's peak. | ||
| Good, man. | ||
| I have a widow's peak up front, but then I have the fat rolls on the back of the head. | ||
| So my head just looks like a horizontal butt. | ||
| There's some stuff in the back of my head that I'm like, you know what? | ||
| It don't matter. | ||
| We're just going to have to go with it. | ||
| Some Bam Bam Bigelow wrinkles? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Just a little weird, like, bump. | ||
| I got a little bump. | ||
| Just a single bump? | ||
| Just a single bump. | ||
| Was that from taking a bump? | ||
| No, it's like a bone. | ||
| In the backyard? | ||
| It's like a bone. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| But, you know, I don't have those Joe Rogan hair transplant scars. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| I saw him the other day, and he was like, Alex, I love you. | ||
| I saw that on the... | ||
| I love you. | ||
| You're my best friend. | ||
| Like, you love Alex? | ||
| On the Joey Diaz episode? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was pathetic. | ||
| Although it was very weird where it was like, I don't know what they were talking about before that. | ||
| If you could bring up the clip even, I don't want to put it on the spot. | ||
| I'm not going to do that. | ||
| I'm done playing Joe Rogan shit on here. | ||
| I don't know if they were talking about a movie or something. | ||
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He's like, yeah, then they kidnapped her and then everyone fucked her. | |
| Anyway, let's talk about Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm like, what were you talking about? | ||
| Might just be talking about QAnon stuff. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| But anyway, anybody who's like, Alex, you're my friend. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| You love Alex Jones. | ||
| Well, he loves him in the same way that I probably love a comic I met. | ||
| Joe Fernandez? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| No, like, I can't think of a specific example, and if I could, it would be shitty to name them, but, like, I've probably met comedians at festivals that I haven't seen in years, but I think of them and I'm like, I love that person. | ||
| We had such a good time at X, Y, or Z festivals. | ||
| Yet they have a show where they're racist and... | ||
| You're too busy to watch that show, though. | ||
| You're doing eight podcasts a week yourself. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I guess they seem cool to me. | ||
| That's my favorite. | ||
| I say comedy term, but it's probably in every branch of life. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They've always been cool to me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You like Alex Jones? | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's always been cool to me. | ||
| That's a coward's way out. | ||
| That's how we end up in the situation. | ||
| I hate that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
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So bad. | |
| Unless that person has been cool to me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Other people's experiences are secondhand. | ||
| There's some Degrassi kid who was like, I don't know, Drake was cool to me. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Rick was cool. | ||
| Rick was cool. | ||
| Rick was cool to somebody. | ||
| He was friends with Toby. | ||
| Anyway, Toby sucks. | ||
| Fuck Toby, always. | ||
| So, Marty. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's a thrill to have you back in the studio. | ||
| I'm going in blind. | ||
| I don't know what we're doing. | ||
| No one knows. | ||
| It's actually, you know, I found something that is almost not to be believed, quite frankly. | ||
| And we'll get into it here in a few, but I was actually, I was thinking a little bit. | ||
| I wanted to talk to you because I have been thinking about the art of healing. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Not like medicine. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Stones or anything like that? | ||
| Not like Reiki. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But like the nature of the heel in wrestling. | ||
| Oh, okay, okay. | ||
| And how it's the harder story to tell probably than the face. | ||
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Ah. | |
| There's a face. | ||
| Here's my theory. | ||
| You can correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So much of what a face does relies on sort of natural charisma. | ||
| Amplifying natural charisma to get people to like you, to get the crowd to want to see this person defeat the heel. | ||
| The heel has to sort of hit buttons, fairly specific buttons, that they wouldn't... | ||
| Probably want to make people feel. | ||
| Like, back in the day, there would be people who played racist angles in order to, like, and they may not be racist themselves, but they're doing that to try and trigger the audience to hate them. | ||
| And then also, the other aspect of it, they're playing against themselves to a certain extent. | ||
| And then also, I think it's a more compelling narrative thing, because it allows for redemption narratives. | ||
| Whereas with the hero, it can only be like, well, I don't like them as much as I used to. | ||
| Whereas coming out of the hole of being someone who the audience hates, coming up to, like, now we like you, I think it's much more interesting and much more difficult. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What are your thoughts? | ||
| I've never seen you take notes on this podcast before. | ||
| In this day and age, it's very hard. | ||
| To have defined roles as heels, the bad guys, babyfaces, the good guys. | ||
| Especially in WWE. | ||
| Female, good females, bad females, whatever. | ||
| So, back in the day, Hulk Hogan was the good guy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Sergeant Slaughter was the bad guy. | ||
| Or the sheik. | ||
| Or the sheik. | ||
| So, that was well defined. | ||
| But, somewhere along the lines of when we started getting into the late 90s, the attitude eras, they call it. | ||
| You had what was kind of called the cool heel. | ||
| Right, like DX? | ||
| Yeah, but now this happened back in the day because, like the Four Horsemen. | ||
| So if you'd watch old NWA, old school world championship wrestling, there would be guys wearing suits in the front row and they would all be throwing up the Four Horsemen symbol. | ||
| Dusty Rhodes started getting booed a lot. | ||
| Hogan would get booed sometimes. | ||
| So there was this thing where it was like, okay, okay. | ||
| One of the things that led to it was the good guy had to be kind of naive sometimes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Dopey a little. | ||
| Like, Sting would always be like, yeah, I'll be your partner, sure. | ||
| And then they would turn on him. | ||
| It's like, Sting, you're a dummy. | ||
| So if you watch for any extended period of time, you kind of get like, why am I cheering for this guy? | ||
| He's dumb. | ||
| He's an idiot. | ||
| You're going to team up with the guy. | ||
| That's a big problem in wrestling is continuity. | ||
| And obviously, it's like, yeah, they don't give a shit. | ||
| But with the cool heel, and then it's like the NWO, and then it's like, oh, shit, more people are wearing the bad guy's shirts. | ||
| And they... | ||
| Would come out and go, you're here to see WCW? | ||
| Like, oh, this hillbilly company. | ||
| Or the NWO. | ||
| And everybody would go crazy. | ||
| Also, the big thing in wrestling. | ||
| Let me, just real quick. | ||
| Do you think that that's a function of changing dynamics or just not having good faces for them to go against? | ||
| No, I think it was just kind of the changing dynamics because it was like... | ||
| The Sopranos were popular. | ||
| I was asking a sincere question because I have no idea. | ||
| Because you get a lot of the... | ||
| Anti-heroes. | ||
| That was the big thing. | ||
| All the bad... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Just look at any genre. | ||
| It's like people like Deadpool. | ||
| They don't like Superman that much anymore. | ||
| They're like, hey, he's a weenie. | ||
| Deadpool's cool. | ||
| He calls people, you know, dickheads and stuff. | ||
| Deadpool would punch a Nazi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then... | ||
| I mean, like Captain America. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| But like... | ||
| And then there's guys who... | ||
| And then now fans are a little more... | ||
| That's what we say in wrestling. | ||
| They're more smart. | ||
| So we know when it's like, you're pushing like Roman Reigns as a prime example. | ||
| If you don't know Roman Reigns, Vince McMahon always says this is like number one. | ||
| This is my number one face of the company guy. | ||
| It was Hulk Hogan. | ||
| Then I was the Ultimate Warrior. | ||
| Stone Cold, The Rock. | ||
| This is the guy who he's like, when you think of my company, this is the guy. | ||
| So who I want on like Good Morning America. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And for a ton of different... | ||
| It's been like the perfect storm of bad reasons, or bad happenstance for this guy. | ||
| It's kind of like Murphy's Law with this guy. | ||
| It's like any time they're like, here we go, fans are like, yeah, but this, so we don't like him even more now. | ||
| Roman Reigns has been the guy. | ||
| Won't stop wearing that damn vest. | ||
| Won't stop wearing the vest. | ||
| Kept the music of the shield. | ||
| The Daniel Bryan thing. | ||
| There's just so many things that everyone's like, ah, fuck Roman Reigns. | ||
| I think he's a great wrestler. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But they're just like, nope, he's the guy. | ||
| And the fans don't want to be told what to do. | ||
| I do like how he cocks his arm. | ||
| Whenever I watch at home, I always go, like he's cocking it. | ||
| I've actually told you some opinions that you have been violently opposed to that I have turned out to be correct on. | ||
| Which is? | ||
| One of them was that I really liked John Cena back when everyone was hating him. | ||
| And you were like, you shouldn't like him. | ||
| Well, but I appreciate him. | ||
| And then the other one was Elias when he first showed up. | ||
| I was like, this is awesome. | ||
| You called Elias, Dan. | ||
| There's some guys who just are made for the main roster, and Elias is one of them. | ||
| There was a third one, too, and I can't remember what it was. | ||
| But there's a third one that you were like, nope, this guy sucks. | ||
| And I'm like, no, you shut your mouth. | ||
| Look, I can be turned on my decisions. | ||
| I can be shown the right way. | ||
| He's got to get better in the ring. | ||
| But otherwise, he's a guy. | ||
| True heel. | ||
| But now people are starting to like him. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it's tough. | ||
| And to be a good heel, a lot of times, you eventually have to like... | ||
| Get your comeuppance. | ||
| That's why a lot of people don't like Stephanie McMahon. | ||
| She's a heel, but she never gets her comeuppance. | ||
| Except from Rowdy Ronda Rousey. | ||
| Yeah, but then she was on TV a couple weeks later. | ||
| The next night she didn't have a broken arm. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You know, it's all that stuff. | ||
| Need the window dressing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'm sorry. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Well, it's just one of those things where, like that old Batman saying, it's like, you're the hero long enough until you become the villain. | ||
| There are just, like, beloved Tanahashi in Japan, who's like the Hulk Hogan, the John Cena of Japan. | ||
| After a while, people kind of start booing him. | ||
| Okada was the champ for a while. | ||
| After a while, people started booing him. | ||
| It just happens. | ||
| Yeah, I can see that. | ||
| So that leads me to the question that I was trying to get to. | ||
| Sorry if that was long. | ||
| No, very interesting stuff. | ||
| I think a lot of people wish for life to be a lot like wrestling in terms of that. | ||
| The bad guy having a redemption. | ||
| I know a lot of people ask me about... | ||
| Do you think there was any point where it's possible for Alex to turn face? | ||
| It was, but he had that window. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No? | ||
| I think from what I've gleaned from studying 2009, I think he was a white supremacist from day one. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I don't think there's any... | ||
| I think there's a lot of things that people missed in his language, and he was on board. | ||
| Well, I can tell, too, when he brings up growing up and his relationship with black people growing up. | ||
| Clearly... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| There's been some things. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| And it was probably... | ||
| Like, I'm the victim of it when I was a kid. | ||
| I bet he got a couple... | ||
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I bet... | |
| I don't know if it... | ||
| Maybe it was just one... | ||
| I bet he yelled the N-word at a guy and he got his ass kicked. | ||
| I bet it was just one good ass kicking. | ||
| Yeah, and I bet... | ||
| I bet, like... | ||
| Here's what I bet. | ||
| One black guy beat up, like, Alex and three or two of his friends, and they ran away, and he got the brunt of it. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| No one would be able to tell now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he grew up in Rockwall, Texas, and I looked it up. | ||
| Because it's a big suburb of Dallas now. | ||
| But he grew up there in the 70s. | ||
| In the 1970 census, the population was 3,100 people. | ||
| Like, it was a small suburb that probably was, you know, formulaic houses, McMansion-type houses. | ||
| Because people didn't want to live in Dallas. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because the population was too high and too urban. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's my guess. | ||
| So all his stories about growing up are all stupid. | ||
| But the reason I bring this up, all of this... | ||
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We had a game we'd play where we'd punch the wall as hard as we could. | |
| After the Motley Crue concert. | ||
| It's a good game. | ||
| That's a good game. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| For everyone who hasn't listened to all of our episodes, that is a real thing he talks about. | ||
| That is a real thing Alex talks about, showing how tough they are by punching a steel door. | ||
| Not as a kid. | ||
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No. | |
| That was as an adult. | ||
| That was as an adult. | ||
| Sometimes you get a little rowdy. | ||
| I get it, Alex. | ||
| Sometimes me and my friends get rowdy and drunk, and we chop each other at bars. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So, Marty, this is what I want to get to. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Who are your top five heels of all time in the WWE, WCW era? | ||
| I was going to say Roger Stone, number one. | ||
| Roger Stone is the best heel in the game right now. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I always talk about this. | ||
| He's the Ric Flair of InfoWars. | ||
| He's a dirty player. | ||
| You know how Starbucks shut down for a day and they made everybody have those race relations things? | ||
| If I ran MSNBC, CNN, all those guys, I would sit them down. | ||
| They would shut down for one day. | ||
| We would watch that Roger Stone documentary, get Roger Stone, and we would just be like... | ||
| This is the playbook. | ||
| You guys are not playing by the playbook. | ||
| Some guys are. | ||
| Sam Cedar's dude? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Michael Brooks and Cedar. | ||
| That's the dude. | ||
| Of anybody, that's the dude. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But all these other people. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Top five heels. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, someone would say, if you're a great heel, you shouldn't get cheered. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You should be sincerely hated. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so right now. | ||
| Tommaso Ciampa. | ||
| One of the best. | ||
| Down in NXT. | ||
| Down in NXT. | ||
| He's got a championship match coming up against Aleister Black. | ||
| My boy. | ||
| So, he is awesome for so many reasons. | ||
| Unfollowed everybody on Twitter, which I understand. | ||
| He had unfollowed me, I understand. | ||
| Former Wrestling With Depression guest. | ||
| Very sad. | ||
| Very nice guy. | ||
| But, I don't know this version of Tommaso. | ||
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Okay? | |
| He did throw a chair at my head at a show one time, but he was nice about that. | ||
| Those things happen. | ||
| So, just a dick on Twitter. | ||
| He wears this t-shirt. | ||
| He goes, I bet you want this t-shirt. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| It ain't for sale. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Forgoing the t-shirt sales. | ||
| I saw that match with Johnny Gargano where he came out with no music and just everyone booing him. | ||
| No music. | ||
| Just boo. | ||
| Batista had a heel run. | ||
| No music. | ||
| He would sit in the room. | ||
| Oh, just so good. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Or Austin back in the day, when he was a bad guy, he became a chicken shit. | ||
| You can't be Stone Cold, I'll whip everybody's ass. | ||
| He was a chicken shit. | ||
| He would complain. | ||
| One of my favorite promos he ever cut, and my friend and I reference this all the time. | ||
| He just, after just a rough day. | ||
| He just got in the ring. | ||
| He was getting his ass kicked by everybody, and he just got in the ring. | ||
| And he's like, my name is Stone Cold Steve Austin. | ||
| I'm a former four-time WWF champion, and I don't deserve this. | ||
| And it was like the best, right? | ||
| So of all time, Flair, because Flair was another one of those guys where he would piss you off because he would do everything he could. | ||
| He would do everything he could to cheat, to win, and you'd be like, I paid money, which is, at the end of the day, in wrestling, what you want. | ||
| You want people to want to pay money to see you lose. | ||
| Or to see you win. | ||
| So, I paid multiple times thinking, this is Lex Luger's time. | ||
| This is Sting's time. | ||
| He's gonna get him in the rack. | ||
| This is, you know, Brian Pillman's, they're gonna win, and I cannot fucking wait. | ||
| So, Flair. | ||
| And, again, also just to make the Roger Stone comparison even further, both of them glamour pusses. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Fancy dressers. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And... | ||
| You don't have to put these in order. | ||
| No, no, no, yeah. | ||
| So, Flair, for sure, one of the... | ||
| And this is kind of modern day. | ||
| Or in the last 30 years. | ||
| Sort of our lifetime. | ||
| Yeah, Flair. | ||
| Another Four Horseman, Tully Blanchard. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Tully Blanchard was one of the Four Horsemen most known for being partners with Arne Anderson. | ||
| This was a guy who people fucking hated. | ||
| There's some guys in wrestling where, I forgot who, Lance Storm. | ||
| Lance Storm is a great wrestler, but a trainer also. | ||
| He's a little more known. | ||
| Known for being a great trainer. | ||
| And he was telling Dolph Ziggler there was a hip toss or something, which is a move that the good guys do more than the bad guys. | ||
| And he even told them, he goes, don't even worry about really nailing this move down because people are going to just always hate you. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Which is like, you just have one of those fucking faces people are going to hate. | ||
| Tully Blanchard, king. | ||
| No one ever was like, one day we want to really cheer him. | ||
| No redeeming qualities. | ||
| Just a total piece of garbage. | ||
| I think my only knowledge of him is from when you made me watch that, like, Heroes of Wrestling. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he was in there, too. | ||
| Which was a disaster. | ||
| He had a funny story where they, when Ted Turner bought WCW, they were like, guys, we're having a meeting. | ||
| Everyone's going to get interviewed. | ||
| Nobody will know your answers. | ||
| We just want to talk to you. | ||
| And they're like, Tully, what needs to be fixed about this company? | ||
| And he's like, get Dusty Rhodes the fuck out of booking. | ||
| This fucking guy, all he does is put himself over. | ||
| They're like, they told Dusty they fired him. | ||
| He got a raw deal there. | ||
| But Tully, Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard. | ||
| Then there's like... | ||
| The heels that are red hot because of, like, the political climate. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the Russians back in the day. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Any Russian, really. | ||
| Any. | ||
| But, like, Nikita Koloff back in the day, the Russian nightmare. | ||
| This guy came out of nowhere. | ||
| He was jacked. | ||
| He was as big as he could hang with the road warriors. | ||
| He was a monster. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He was awesome. | ||
| Oh, let's see. | ||
| Who else? | ||
| Let's go modern. | ||
| Right now? | ||
| It's tough now because everyone's so like... | ||
| Who cares about the last, let's say, ten years? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who cares about it? | ||
| Now it's more like a sport where it's just like... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like this. | ||
| I thought... | ||
| I'm trying to think. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| There's also where you have to talk about... | ||
| There's the heel heat, which is like, yeah, we want to see him beat. | ||
| And then there's the like... | ||
| Go away. | ||
| Well, we don't even want you here. | ||
| Jeff Jarrett back in the day when they were trying to build DNA or at the end of WCW when that guy would win. | ||
| There was a TNA pay-per-view. | ||
| Where you had to hang the belt. | ||
| It was such a fucking Russo. | ||
| This guy, Vince Russo, who would tell people what to do. | ||
| Here's my plan. | ||
| Famous for convoluted ways to win a match. | ||
| In wrestling, they have this fun match called the ladder match where they hang the title from a rope and you've got to climb a ladder and pull it down. | ||
| That's simple. | ||
| This one, you had to pin a guy to be able to put the title on the thing. | ||
| Jarrett won one time and everyone starts throwing garbage. | ||
| You just hear everyone just like, ugh. | ||
| Raven and ECW had a real moment where he was awesome. | ||
| Tommy Dreamer was the good guy. | ||
| He was the bad guy. | ||
| It was perfect. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| Nowadays, too, it's like you'll hear the old wrestlers be like, the wrestlers nowadays are afraid of heat. | ||
| They don't want that heat of like, we're going to cause a fucking riot here. | ||
| Because back in the day, when people didn't know it was real, or predetermined, whatever you want to call it, they thought it was real. | ||
| And somebody would do something, and it's just like, holy shit. | ||
| He goes, when you know you're being a real bad dude and you hear nothing, that's when they're running into the ring. | ||
| You've got to fight your way out and stuff. | ||
| I can see the gears turning in your head because you can tell that there's an answer I hope you say. | ||
| And you aren't coming up. | ||
| I can tell you've seen... | ||
| Well, Vince was one of the worst. | ||
| Well, sure, sure. | ||
| Or best heels. | ||
| Mr. McMahon. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, you haven't named who I was hoping you named. | ||
| But I will say... | ||
| Zeb Coulter? | ||
| I am now... | ||
| You're hoping I say Zeb Coulter to tie this into Alex? | ||
| I am now going to make Alex Jones the greatest heel to you and your fans. | ||
| And a lot of our listeners who love wrestling with this clip. | ||
| And all of this is going on. | ||
| You've got about, you know, a large portion of the audience that thinks it's real. | ||
| I've known adults that will call in and go, it's real. | ||
| No, no, it's real. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| And I'm like, really? | ||
| I've seen somebody body slammed who was in a coma. | ||
| I mean, this is not real. | ||
| Okay, I'll assure you, grown men who are 6 '8", pounding each other in the face one time, blood's going to be pouring everywhere. | ||
| But almost all these folks have never been in a real fight. | ||
| They're like little arrested development, toddling potbellies, you know, who are like, we're going to go to... | ||
| No matter why Hispanic Black, it's like, it's the same. | ||
| They look the same. | ||
| They act the same. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| Let's go watch the big guy fight. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| I mean, most of them got about 80 IQs. | ||
| They're borderline mentally retarded. | ||
| I mean, I'm very sad about this. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Add to the list of a black guy beating up Alex. | ||
| Alex was also beaten up by a wrestling fan. | ||
| A pro wrestler. | ||
| Probably a fan of the Von Erics back in the day. | ||
| He does, in this extended rant that he does, he does bring up watching the Von Erics when he was younger. | ||
| This was taken from an episode where he got really mad because Zeb Coulter and Jack Swagger got introduced as racist characters, and apparently a piece of their character was that they liked Alex Jones. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
|
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So he was furious. | |
| Doing the we the people game. | ||
| He was furious about that. | ||
| And he goes on to scream about Vince McMahon as an establishment Republican. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| His dumb wife running for Senate, now as a member of Trump's cabinet. | ||
| Now as a member of the cabinet. | ||
| So that was one piece. | ||
| But I will say, I wanted to talk about that, and I thought that that would be our episode today. | ||
| But I listened to it, and it really wasn't all that interesting. | ||
| We got to see the demon... | ||
| He's back in full force, teaming with Daniel Bryan. | ||
| Looking great, too. | ||
| Team Hell No. | ||
| I saw a little clip. | ||
| It's the mask, baby. | ||
| It's the mask. | ||
| But I mean his body. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The last time I saw him, I remember him looking pretty fat. | ||
| Well, he also has the singlet on now. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| He's hiding it a little bit. | ||
| But he's looking great. | ||
| And he's like 50-something. | ||
| I would love to say good luck in the mayoral race, but I know that you're a fucking stupid libertarian, so I hope you lose. | ||
| Oh, it's a slam dunk. | ||
| He's going to win. | ||
| Well, that's unfortunate. | ||
| Slam dunk. | ||
| Because his politics suck. | ||
|
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Can I talk to you about cryptocurrency or the main event picture in the WWE? | |
| His town is going to be all into Litecoin. | ||
| I'm very interested in cryptocurrency, yes. | ||
| It's going to be nonsense. | ||
| So I realized that that episode where he's complaining about Jack Swagger being sort of related to him somehow. | ||
| And he's like, I remember when that was going on in wrestling and like, Jack Swagger was not... | ||
| Like, the main event level. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| And Alex is presenting it as he's the big bad guy of the WWE. | ||
| No. | ||
| And he's also presenting it as most of his character is about liking Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah, he was upper mid-card. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He was top of the middle. | ||
| Oh, the other thing he keeps saying is every night he goes out and gets beat by a Mexican. | ||
| Well, Del Rio, and then they join them together, which made no sense. | ||
| So Zeb, the manager, Zeb Coulter. | ||
| Who is Dirty Dutch Mantell. | ||
| That's his old name. | ||
| That dude used to wrestle in Puerto Rico and was a bad guy in Puerto Rico. | ||
| That seems pretty scary. | ||
| I mean, he'd been stabbed. | ||
| That guy's got stories. | ||
| I remember that the WWE put out a video, or maybe it was just Swagger and Coulter put out a video where they're like, we are playing characters. | ||
| Oh, they had to do that. | ||
| That's when you know, too, and that's why it can't get... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because you could incite something these days. | ||
| The most recent guy who is out there today, he's in the independents, he wrestles for AEW where I do commentary for, he's in Impact Wrestling, he's all over. | ||
| Smooth plug there. | ||
| Sammy Callahan. | ||
| I know the name, I don't know his work. | ||
| He is a guy who is like, I'm going to be real old school on this. | ||
| So there was a match in Impact Wrestling. | ||
| Where he put a chair on Eddie Edwards, who was laying on the mat. | ||
| Put a chair on his chest. | ||
| Opened up the chair. | ||
| And he was supposed to hit the chair with an aluminum bat. | ||
| And it would make a great big noise. | ||
| It probably wouldn't hurt all that much. | ||
| And it would be like, woo. | ||
| For whatever reason, he didn't plan it out right. | ||
| And instead of hitting the chair, he just hit him in the face. | ||
| And he busted his orbital real bad. | ||
| And Sammy, instead of being like, oh man, I'm so sorry. | ||
| Just went on Twitter and he's like, it's wrestling. | ||
| Tough shit. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Like, I hit you, big deal. | ||
| What are you going to do about it? | ||
| And people were like, no! | ||
| That is not cool! | ||
| And he was like, I'm fucking leaning into this. | ||
| I'm going to be a bad guy. | ||
| I think that's probably a good thing for the act or for the art. | ||
| But then sometimes it goes too far, and then they have to be like, hey man, I'm playing a character. | ||
| Well, when you're inciting racial hatred, it kind of is. | ||
| The Daivari's recently... | ||
| Oh, yeah, when they were in the Greatest Royal Rumble. | ||
| They were in the Greatest Royal Rumble in Saudi Arabia, and they... | ||
| They came out and they cut these promos. | ||
| The Iran business. | ||
| And they were like, hey man, I'm just playing a character. | ||
| I mean, no harm. | ||
| So that's the deal. | ||
| Back in the day, it was like, yeah man. | ||
| There was a moment where Jesse Ventura apparently suggested... | ||
| Famously, multiple Infowars. | ||
| Let's light the flag on fire. | ||
| It's legal now. | ||
| Let's have Sergeant Slaughter light the flag on fire. | ||
| And they thought about it, and then they ended up lighting a Hulkamania shirt on fire instead. | ||
| I would have lit the flag. | ||
| I would have been fine with that if I were... | ||
| Yeah, there was a group called the Un-Americans post-9-11, and they were going to light a flag on fire. | ||
| That's bad timing. | ||
| There was a cool one back in the day with, again, Daivari. | ||
| Sean Daivari was the manager of Muhammad Hassan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And they... | ||
| It was after 9-11, and they were like... | ||
| They had an interesting... | ||
| See, it's like a bad guy in a movie. | ||
| It's like a heel should think he's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was like... | ||
| I didn't change. | ||
| You guys changed the way you looked at me. | ||
| This isn't on me. | ||
| His whole thing, if I recall, was that he was a bad guy because of everyone hating him because he's a Muslim. | ||
| He's like, I used to go to airports all the time, and there was no problem. | ||
| But now I go to airport, and you're all looking at me and pointing at me and stuff like that. | ||
| And he was kind of like, this is on you, not me. | ||
| But then there's the extreme thing where a big trope in wrestling would be foreign wrestler beats up American, takes their flag. | ||
| Puts it over them as the show goes off the air. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| As if it was a burial shroud. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And then what was the end of the Muhammad Hassan character was they had filmed... | ||
| Smackdown used to be taped on Tuesday and it would air on Friday when this happened. | ||
| So they had done an angle where Muhammad Hassan was feuding with The Undertaker. | ||
| And choked him out with these, like, terrorist guys that came in the ring. | ||
| They all had, like, all covered in head-to-toe. | ||
| Well, they were more, like, tactical. | ||
| Like, they had, like, black hoods on and stuff, like, black tactical ski masks and black, like, shield-like gear fully covered. | ||
| And then after they choked out the Undertaker, they carried his body like you would see, you know, what do they call it in the Middle East when, like, somebody, they, like, parade him through the streets, they have him held up, and it's like a... | ||
| Terrorist-y type of, like, tribute thing or something. | ||
| I don't know if that's a thing, and I don't know if it is a thing. | ||
| I don't know the name of it. | ||
| Have you ever seen that where they carry them through the streets? | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| I mean, it's just a funeral procession, I imagine. | ||
| Well, they... | ||
| And this was right after the London bombings. | ||
| Yeah, the 7-7. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Right after it happened, the USA Network's like, you gotta get rid of this guy. | ||
| Not repackage him. | ||
| Not make him a, you know, now I'm a rapper. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Hey guys, I was wrong! | ||
| It was like, you gotta get him out of here. | ||
| So that was it. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's some good, I mean, that's, you know, we've now had a good 25 minutes of heel talk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's all been leading up to what I think is one of the weirder things I've ever found in my diving into InfoWars. | ||
| And that is that one of the great heels of the wrestling past, Was a surprise guest on InfoWars, and I'll let you deal with this as it plays. | ||
| It's super exciting to have Rowdy Roddy Piper on with us today from Los Angeles there in Sean Stone's living room. | ||
| Both guys are with us, and it's great. | ||
| I've gotten to be good friends with Jesse Ventura, and I know these two guys are friends as well, or have been in the past, and so now I get to talk to both of them. | ||
| And Mr. Piper, formerly, of course, born Roderick George Toomes, it is great to have you on the worldwide broadcast, sir. | ||
| Thank you very much for having me. | ||
| Would you mind just introducing me every place I go? | ||
| Fantastic introduction. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Charmed him. | ||
| But also, I would say that that's probably Rowdy Roddy Piper's standard response, because that was a terrible introduction. | ||
| Star of documentary They Live. | ||
| That's going to factor heavily into this interview. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But all he says for an introduction there, not as, like, you know, one of the greats of world wrestling. | ||
| One of the greatest of all time. | ||
| Someone who is not only... | ||
| Oh, I forgot to mention Piper is one of the greatest heels of all time. | ||
| That's what I was trying to leave you to. | ||
| I am so dumb. | ||
| That's what I was... | ||
| God damn it, Dan. | ||
| But you just got caught up... | ||
| And all the other great heels. | ||
| Also, watch some of Rowdy's old stuff. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I was going to say tiptoe around racial stuff. | ||
| No, he was flat out racist. | ||
| And homophobic like crazy. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But some of the racial shit he did with Chavo Guerrero. | ||
| But that's because he's Scottish, right? | ||
| Well, he's just being bad. | ||
| Or they shaved a mohawk into the Haiti kid's head. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Maybe he needed a haircut. | ||
| The thing, though, I need to really nail this down. | ||
| That's a terrible introduction. | ||
| All he does is say his real name and then mention that he's friends with Jesse Ventura. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| You went on my Wikipedia page and everything, Mr. Stone. | ||
| I'm very happy to be here. | ||
|
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Mr. Stone, Mr. Well, no, because Sean Stone is there. | |
| Who's that, his son? | ||
| No, that is Oliver Stone's kid. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Oliver Stone's kid is a little nutty. | ||
| Has Oliver Stone been behaving himself lately? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know what he's up to. | ||
| But, you know, a lot of Oliver Stone's films are dubious in terms of their historical accuracy. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| And his son is worse. | ||
| I watched W. I watched the last probably 30 minutes of W at a hotel a couple weekends ago. | ||
| That's the one with Brolin? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is so weird. | ||
| It's like watching an SNL sketch with no comedy. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| Get him! | ||
| Get him! | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| The woman playing Condoleezza Rice is just like... | ||
| It's so over the top and so weird. | ||
| And I will say... | ||
| I watched Any Given Sunday a couple years ago. | ||
| That still held up. | ||
| This was just like, oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was so unbelievably bad. | ||
| I'm thrilled to say I've never watched that. | ||
| It never appealed to me much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen Any Given Sunday, and I would agree, having not seen it in a while. | ||
| I bet it does hold up. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| I could see that. | ||
| I wonder, too, though, there was that scene in there where W, which is kind of funny now that he's, like, lovable president. | ||
| He's just like a painter now. | ||
| Hides under the raincoat with Michelle Obama and stuff. | ||
| They've been trying to rehab his image, even though he's responsible for millions of deaths. | ||
| Well, Trump might reveal some news on W. You never know. | ||
| Do you see me doing a jack-off motion here? | ||
| Just like he's going to release all the JFK files. | ||
| Just like he's going to unleash all the secret technology and healing machines. | ||
| If anybody believes that stuff, I've got a bridge that I'd like to sell them. | ||
| Crazy, though. | ||
| Had he died on the pretzel, had he choked on the pretzel, could you imagine? | ||
| It would be like Selena. | ||
| But it would have been one of those things of just like... | ||
| So we would like Selena. | ||
| No. | ||
| I forgot whose joke it was. | ||
| Whose joke was it? | ||
| This is... | ||
| God, I wish I... | ||
| Maybe it was Greg Giraldo, where he was like, everyone's saying George W. Bush is the worst president of all time. | ||
| He goes, the worst? | ||
| He goes... | ||
| I think the president of Selena's fan club might be a little worse. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Great joke. | ||
| I think that's Geraldo. | ||
| Speaking of which, rest in peace to Rowdy Roddy Piper. | ||
| This is very sad that he was on InfoWars. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I remember him as kind of a boozer. | ||
| Maybe that was just more his character. | ||
| He partied. | ||
| I also remember him as kind of not a good guy. | ||
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When I went and looked into it, it seems like he was a good guy. | |
| He's a good guy. | ||
| He's a guy who... | ||
| That's what threw me for a huge loop. | ||
| Well, here's the thing with Roddy, is I think, and he's a wrestler, so he's gonna put himself out there for promotion. | ||
| He had his podcast, so he was probably pushing that. | ||
| This is in 2013. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know if he had a podcast in 2013. | ||
| I mean, he died in 2015. | ||
| Okay, then yes. | ||
| Then yeah. | ||
| Then he was trying to get his podcast off the ground. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So. | ||
| So maybe Sean Stone's helping him out with that. | ||
|
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Yep, yep. | |
| He's a guy who, and I know a lot of people who, like, there were comics in LA who, like, buddied up to him, and he was like, I'm open to it. | ||
| Like, if this gets the word out, let's do it. | ||
| He was. | ||
| You do some stand-up. | ||
| He would do some stand-up. | ||
| He would do shows. | ||
| He was into it. | ||
| I remember seeing that. | ||
| I knew a couple people who worked with him, I think. | ||
| And he was like, what are we going to do? | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| He was on Colt's podcast, couldn't have been cooler. | ||
| The Young Bucks talk about how, who are the most popular independent tag team or wrestlers on the planet right now, they talk about seeing him at a convention and being like, oh man, this dude would spend time with fans. | ||
| He wasn't just like, hi, let me sign this, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| He was like, he would spend time with fans, and that changed their approach. | ||
| Yeah, I think that that was one of the things I thought was really weird. | ||
| I always had an image of him as kind of like maybe being a shithead. | ||
| Maybe someone who was arrested a bunch of times. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it seems like he lived maybe a hard life, but a pretty good life. | ||
| He treated people pretty well. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| I mean, it's not super rare in wrestling terms, but you always get surprised by things. | ||
| I just learned recently that Kurt Angle had a bunch of DUIs. | ||
| Oh, a bunch. | ||
| It was deep into drugs for years. | ||
| I had no fucking idea. | ||
| You hear... | ||
| That's why he was... | ||
| Able to leave the first time. | ||
| They're like, you gotta go. | ||
| Because I had a friend who was working there at the time, and they're like, this was when Kurt Angle and Eddie Guerrero were feuding, and they're like, one or both of them are going to die. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| And they're like, they're both out of control. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, Eddie Guerrero. | ||
| I thought you said Rey Mysterio. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I would love to imagine Rey Mysterio having these matches where Eddie would get in a ball and be like, don't touch me. | ||
| And it was insane. | ||
| Just like psychosis or something? | ||
| Just like he was so hurt, his body was just done and all this stuff. | ||
| I thought you meant he was in a ball of feet. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| And then finally they're like, yo, Kurt Angle, you gotta go to rehab. | ||
| And he was like, no, I'm fine. | ||
| And they're like, we're gonna fire you then. | ||
| And he's like, fine, fire me. | ||
| Then he went to TNA and then got a bunch of trouble there. | ||
| And they were always like, well, you know, what are you gonna do? | ||
| And then finally he got clean, which is great. | ||
| And then Eddie Guerrero passed away. | ||
| That was very sad. | ||
| I don't know a lot of these people's personal lives, but the ones that you hear about generally are like Eddie Guerrero. | ||
| It's like a real tragedy. | ||
| Especially, too, when someone dies. | ||
| That's when you hear the good or bad about them or whatever. | ||
| But with Piper, around the board, everybody was on his side. | ||
| They said he was great. | ||
| Stood up for the wrestlers. | ||
| When you watch, there's like a... | ||
| Remember Wife Swap when that was? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He did one with Ric Flair and his now fiancé or whatever, Fifi from WCW. | ||
| And you could tell Piper and his wife, you know what I mean? | ||
| They probably cheated or whatever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Everybody likes to swing. | ||
| They all did back in the day. | ||
| Another Roger Stone parallel with Ric Flair. | ||
| Swingers. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, he seems like a family guy and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, that kind of bums me out that he was on InfoWars because, you know, you always kind of want to... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You always want to ascribe some sort of like, oh, that's why he's on InfoWars. | ||
| He's a secret shit. | ||
| I do think, though, that Alex and InfoWars has a weird thing where they can not trick or it looks legitimate enough. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| It looks legitimate enough. | ||
| It's big enough. | ||
| It's big enough. | ||
| You know, you... | ||
| Because what do people do? | ||
| How many followers does he go? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A couple million? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Oh, wow. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Play me. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I ain't a little crazy. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Piper probably. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Fucking everyone I know is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, Piper's crazy. | ||
| Jesse's been on it. | ||
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Oh, cool. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Jesse knows what he's talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how people like Henry Rollins ended up being guests on InfoWars. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What the fuck is Henry Rollins doing on here? | ||
| And I think there are people who do the whole like, you know, well, he's not wrong about everything. | ||
| Or there's people who are like, you need to talk to these people. | ||
| If you only go on the Stephanie Miller show, big deal. | ||
| You're not changing anybody's minds. | ||
| All of these theories are interesting, and I wish any of them were true. | ||
| It turns out that Roddy Piper is a lunatic. | ||
| And he loves Alex Jones. | ||
| And we'll get to that here in a few. | ||
| But, Alex, for most of this interview... | ||
| It's about an hour long or so. | ||
| Most of it is him gushing about They Live and talking about how much he loves They Live. | ||
| He's seen it a hundred times. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Alex thinks it's a documentary. | ||
| And so here is Roddy talking a little bit about the history of that film. | ||
| I think this is actually kind of interesting because it gives a perspective that Alex never gives. | ||
| Well, it's great to have you on. | ||
| I tell you, so much is happening in the world, but let's get into They Live. | ||
| You've been in a lot of movies, but what's your take on the 25th anniversary of They Live? | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| The movie they lived when it was made was more about Reaganomics at the time. | ||
| But as the music lulls you to sleep, conspiracies, one of the things that the movie has done is it's taken on a life of its own. | ||
| It never gets old as we see the world evolve. | ||
| I think that's fair. | ||
| I think that what he's saying is an interesting perspective. | ||
| I didn't necessarily ever put two and two together. | ||
| I haven't watched They Live since I was in college and stoned out of my mind and loved it. | ||
| But I never put the pieces together. | ||
| I always just thought it was kind of like... | ||
| A statement on consumerism, a statement on artificial messages through advertising and stuff like that. | ||
| I never really put the pieces together of a statement about Reaganomics. | ||
| But I think that's fascinating. | ||
| I think this is going to be another era, like the 80s, where a lot of stuff was about Reagan. | ||
| And there was that Reagan's America, and they're like, but the real deal is this. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And it was interesting. | ||
| Like, that movie. | ||
| There's a lot of movies kind of like that where I think we're going to watch them again now. | ||
| Because I was like, I'm watching a lot of these Star Wars videos. | ||
| I'm into this whole... | ||
| Do you mean movies or videos? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| YouTube videos about Star Wars. | ||
| Oh, about how we need to remake The Last Jedi? | ||
| Soilo and the fandom menace and all this stuff. | ||
| I'm into it. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| I'm watching from afar. | ||
| But one of the things, too, though, that I did hear a guy from the UK who was a movie critic, and he was saying, like... | ||
| Yeah, America. | ||
| He's like, man, your movies are really... | ||
| You guys are like... | ||
| You could tell these are all about Trump, but not just Star Wars, just a lot of stuff in general. | ||
| He's like, there's a lot of... | ||
| Our movies are real politicized right now, and I think it was the same thing, too, with the 80s. | ||
| Have you ever seen those... | ||
| I mean, there's a genre of videos that is just people reacting to things. | ||
| Someone in our fucking Facebook group, and I'm sounding angry only because of the time I've wasted, but someone posted a video of the... | ||
| There's a series about Irish people watching things. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And the thing that they posted was Irish people watching Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And I was fascinated by how quickly they saw through what is going on here. | ||
| It's pro wrestling. | ||
| This guy is an angry... | ||
| Bigot, and he's trying to sell things. | ||
| It was clear, and I watched a couple more of them, and it is fascinating how people outside of our primary culture are able to see, like, oh my god, this is clearly an allegory in a way that because of our inundation and familiarity with stuff, we don't recognize as easily. | ||
| I think you're totally right. | ||
| I think 10 years from now we'll look back and be like, wow! | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That subconscious thread is through a lot of this. | ||
| I think a movie can be about... | ||
| I think art can reflect what's going on in the society at that time. | ||
| There's been great books, there's been great movies that have done that. | ||
| But then it's when you beat people over the head with it, and people are like, eh, it's a little too on the nose. | ||
| That would be the case of like... | ||
| That Snoop Dogg video where he puts a gun to Trump's head and then the bang flag comes out. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Stuff like that. | ||
| It's like, come on, man. | ||
| Come on, Austin and Vince already did that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But yeah, there are those things where it's... | ||
| And then Pilman and Austin did it better. | ||
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| Well, that was big time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's a thing where it's like when it's too on the nose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, I like maybe reading later or watching later and you're like, actually, that character is supposed to be kind of based on this person. | ||
| And you're like, oh. | ||
| Or when it's just like, get it? | ||
| I'm Trump. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I know, I know. | ||
| Yeah, there's something to be said for subtlety. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I, you know, so far, so good, Piper. | ||
| Real quick, real quick, to sort of talk about that is that's like the first Planet of the Apes. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Which is about, you know, nuclear war and all this stuff. | ||
| And then in the second Planet of the Apes. | ||
| Yeah, I guess they don't really get to what happened until the second one. | ||
| The second Planet of the Apes is where they have the ape hippies getting rounded up, and it's like, now we're getting a little too... | ||
| The first one was so subtle and cool. | ||
| I think the second one's still really good. | ||
| Racism, there was racism, it was about racism and stuff like that, but then they hit you way over the head with it. | ||
| The third one, which is where they go back in time... | ||
| Zero and Cornelius go back in time. | ||
| And see the beginning of the monkeys. | ||
| And see the beginning of it all, where they were using them as slaves. | ||
| And then they had this big riot and everything. | ||
| And there was a documentary. | ||
| Did you recently just watch all five of them? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| There's a documentary about all the Planet of the Apes movies. | ||
| It was like the anniversary of the original. | ||
| I think A&E did it. | ||
| And it was so good. | ||
| And they were talking about how the third one at the end, Caesar is like the new leader. | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| Now, we claim this planet, and it is the planet of the apes. | ||
| They said when they tested it that they tested it in a black neighborhood, and black people were going crazy, and they were like, yeah! | ||
| And they were like, oh no, this is going to cause riots and stuff. | ||
| So they recut it, and of course they didn't have a lot of money, so they weren't going to do anything. | ||
| All they did was a close-up of Caesar's eyes, and they got the actor to come back, and he goes, we were planet of the apes. | ||
| But we can do this with humans also, together! | ||
| And we will share this planet and show them what it's right to be good, or something like that. | ||
| And then that falls apart. | ||
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Yeah, whatever. | |
| But, but, but, oh, I mean, fuck yeah. | ||
| But it's like, that thing of the difference of the first one, perfect. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Second one, it's like, I think it's still good. | ||
| Ape hippies, like, come on, man. | ||
| That's the... | ||
| That's the same thing as the droid and solo. | ||
| I still like all of them. | ||
| I do too. | ||
| I'll also say that the best one, Mark Wahlberg one. | ||
| Oh, get out of here. | ||
| I worked at a movie theater when that came out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And at the time, it was our tradition to... | ||
| Because most of the people who worked there were underage. | ||
| It was one of the only ways we'd really have... | ||
| Oh, you told me about this. | ||
| We'd have booze and stuff. | ||
| So you had to screen all of the movies. | ||
| To make sure it's okay. | ||
| On Thursday nights before they came out. | ||
| Oh, that's so cool. | ||
| So the movies would come in as the film, and then they'd get built. | ||
| And then once they were done getting built, if there was an open theater, anyone could sign up to watch it to make sure. | ||
| So the projectionist would put it through, and you'd watch it. | ||
| It would be a thing where all of us... | ||
| Like, some of our managers were over 21, and so they'd buy us booze. | ||
|
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Hell yeah. | |
| And we'd just have parties. | ||
|
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Hell yeah. | |
| Just getting drunk. | ||
| I want to work at a movie theater right now. | ||
| It was so much fun. | ||
| You made me want to work at a movie theater. | ||
| I was probably like 17, 18 at the time. | ||
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Fuck yeah. | |
| Just getting drunk, pre-screening these movies. | ||
| You probably saw some bad ones. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| The worst was definitely the Planet of the Apes one with Mark Wahlberg. | ||
| And then there was Collateral Damage. | ||
| With Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| We all almost left. | ||
| We were almost like, this is so bad. | ||
| But one of our managers, Rick, watched the Planet of the Apes one with us. | ||
| Because he loved the old Planet of the Apes. | ||
| He was a little older. | ||
| He was probably late 20s at that time. | ||
| But he appeared much older since I was a teen. | ||
| But we're all drinking, having a great time. | ||
| And then at the end... | ||
| When Mark Wahlberg comes back, and you see the Lincoln Monument, Memorial, as soon as- But it's an ape's head. | ||
| You only see the exterior of the building, and as soon as you see it, it's a good 30, 40 seconds until you get inside and you see that it is an ape. | ||
| The whole time, Rick is screaming, Ape Lincoln! | ||
| Ape Lincoln is coming! | ||
| Ape Lincoln, yeah. | ||
| He called it like- Yeah, I knew. | ||
| But it happened, everyone just started throwing stuff. | ||
| It was a fucking WCW show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everyone's just throwing trash at the screen. | ||
| Hogan just joined the NWO. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| Ape Lincoln! | ||
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Boo! | |
| You know, this trash in the ring represents these fans. | ||
| We already hated it, but that was a bridge too far. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, alright. | ||
| You know, the Apes made an appearance on Monday Night Raw to promote that. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
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No! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| In costume, the Apes came to Raw. | ||
|
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No. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Did they put someone over? | ||
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Did they go over? | |
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| I think they might have helped somebody get a victory or something. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I feel like there's no way that couldn't have been offensive somehow. | ||
| Whoever they choose to have the apes help. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Knowing Vince and Russo back in the day, they would have had them help the Nation of Domination or something. | ||
| Yeah, Mark Henry. | ||
| Go out there and help Mark Henry. | ||
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Why? | |
| Does he have a kinship with Mark Henry? | ||
| It's like, oh, God, guys, no. | ||
| Don't make this a storyline. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| I mean, to be fair, like, back then, everybody, like, the No Limit Soldiers were in the WCW, ICP was hanging around. | ||
| That was a fun thing where, again, in wrestling, sometimes the bad guys turn out to be the good guys, and they're like, well, this is what the fans wanted, so they brought in the No Limit Soldiers to WCW. | ||
| Well, because then they had, like, Rey Mysterio and Conan were with them, too, right? | ||
| The Filthy Animals. | ||
| Yeah, and they thought, this is going to be huge. | ||
| We've got the No Limit Soldiers, the Filthy Animals, Master P, who I thought he was kind of... | ||
| On the downward spiral. | ||
| I didn't think he was on top of the world or anything at the time. | ||
| I don't think he was either. | ||
| They signed some guys that were in his crew to some big money. | ||
| This one black dude, they gave him so much money. | ||
| Swole. | ||
| And they gave him a lot of money. | ||
| If that was a recording artist, that wasn't his name. | ||
| No, he was a bodyguard. | ||
| I think he was his bodyguard or something. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And then the opposition was this group called the... | ||
| The West Texas Rednecks. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| It's a great song if you want to find it. | ||
| It's called Rap is Crap. | ||
| Kurt Henning, Barry Windham, Kendall Windham, Bobby Duncombe Jr. | ||
| They had a song called I Hate Rap. | ||
| Because rap is crap. | ||
| And they made this song as a part of their feud with the No Limit Soldiers. | ||
| And it got over, and the crowd loved them, and it just completely... | ||
| Because WCW, it's like a southern territory. | ||
| Oh, so the rednecks ended up being much more popular than... | ||
| They got cheered like crazy. | ||
| Now, what are you going to do with Swole? | ||
| That's a disaster. | ||
| Let them hurt people or not wrestle and get paid a shitload of money. | ||
| Jeez. | ||
| So, all this is to say that... | ||
| Rowdy Roddy Piper. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So sorry. | ||
| This is, like, my favorite and my worst topics because then we just go on these tangents. | ||
| I think that's the nature of when you and I get together. | ||
| Also, I don't think I want to lose respect of the hot rod. | ||
| I think you can retain it because of, like, the world. | ||
| But I think, like we said, he probably got not tricked, but I think he was kind of like, hey, however I can get the word out. | ||
| I think you should save those judgments. | ||
| I think he's kind of stupid, but at the same time, like, because he's on Infowars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It kind of does highlight how, like, even if he is kind of stupid, he's not as bad as the world he's visiting. | ||
| Well, and he also claimed that when he painted half of his body black to wrestle Bad News Brown at WrestleMania, that it had nothing to do with race. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it was... | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| He was moonwalking and doing those... | ||
| It was like, you're dancing and stuff. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, at this point, he said that, you know, They Live is about Reaganomics, or was about it at the time, but it could be applied to anything. | ||
| And now he gets on to saying some other stuff that I think, based on that, is stupid. | ||
| You know, John Carpenter, when we shot this scene with the homeless people, he actually used the homeless people there. | ||
| John is a big activist, you know, and I give him all the respect in the world for that. | ||
| You know, turning out and showing what the world has become. | ||
| I don't know why America has homeless people. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| That's interesting, because you made a film about Reaganomics. | ||
| So, I'd like to talk a little bit about this. | ||
| Because, quite frankly, one of the reasons that homelessness is such a big issue and is so devastating and has been is because of Reagan. | ||
| His policies directly led to... | ||
| The situation that we have on our hands now. | ||
| And if John Carpenter and Rowdy Roddy Piper made a movie about Reaganomics, I think maybe he doesn't understand all that too well. | ||
| I thought it was interesting growing up, because I'm, what, about 10 years older than you? | ||
| Give or take. | ||
| So, when I grew up, Reagan was... | ||
| The man. | ||
| Where I grew up in Indiana. | ||
| I grew up in Indiana and it was just like Ronald Reagan, what a great leader and all this stuff. | ||
| He's funny and cool and he didn't wear a jacket. | ||
| He made Gorbachev look at an idiot because Gorbachev had this big jacket on and Reagan didn't and all this cool stuff and he would give these speeches and everything. | ||
| And then as you get older, you get into punk rock music and you see some documentaries and you hear some people in these movies and you're just like, was he not a good man? | ||
| You read a few things and you're like, oh no. | ||
| So Marty. | ||
| In 1981, on the heels of an economic downturn, unemployment was super high. | ||
| Rockford, Illinois had an unemployment rate of 25%. | ||
| Three states had unemployment rates over 14%. | ||
| At the depths of the 2008-2009 recession, the number was still just around 10% nationally, to give some sort of context. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| It was really bad. | ||
| People were out of work, having a bad time. | ||
| Noticing that there were tons of unemployed people becoming homeless, Reagan put forth a solution that was not a solution. | ||
| He didn't want the government to do anything, but instead suggested that, quote, every church and synagogue would take in 10 welfare families, and this would solve the problem. | ||
| Because he was stupid and thought that the entire idea of homeless people existing was a temporary notion and would go away when the economy got better. | ||
| This was a stupid plan for one reason, because churches and synagogues are not magical entities. | ||
| If each is required to take in 10 families, which could easily be 50 to 60 people, that's going to cause a pretty big bump to their overhead. | ||
| In times when homelessness rose, there would be churches getting bankrupted like crazy, just trying to provide the help that the government should be providing its citizens as a basic right. | ||
| Reagan's solution is not a solution. | ||
| It's a pathetic attempt to say we should. | ||
| To make matters worse... | ||
| Reagan would slash the budget for the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the department most likely to help house people without stable living conditions. | ||
| Reagan's entire platform seemed to boil down to just insisting that this isn't my job, cutting funding for programs that are desperately needed in order to lower taxes on the rich, because that was the primary motivation, and then the final step, blame the victims of his policies for the policy's effects. | ||
| He famously popularized the idea of a welfare queen based on a lie, a complete lie. | ||
| I recommend everyone go listen to the episode of The Dollop. | ||
| Oh, I didn't say watch Glow. | ||
| Sure, go watch Glow. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| The welfare queen. | ||
| Is that a character? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| The welfare queen idea on an episode of The Dollop they did live in Chicago that me and Jordan were actually at. | ||
| It was a great time. | ||
| They lay out the history of the idea of the welfare. | ||
| Fair Queen. | ||
| It's fucking, it's outrageous how much deceit was behind it. | ||
| It was fucked up. | ||
| So also he went on Good Morning America and said the people sleeping on grates in the street were doing it by choice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That sort of thing. | |
| He was completely. | ||
| How many, I remember. | ||
| He puts on those pants that smell like shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then he puts him in an airtight bag and puts him in his trunk of his Mercedes and then goes home and counts all your money. | ||
| If you worked at Captain D's Seafood, all your clothes smell like fish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think you want that? | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| It's a uniform for him with the shit clothes. | ||
| It's a quote. | ||
| Every park bench in America, everywhere a homeless person sleeps, should have Ronald Reagan's name on it, says Peter Dreyer, an urban policy analyst and the director of the Urban Environmental Policy Department at Occidental College in Los Angeles. | ||
| As some indication of how little Reagan gave a shit about this stuff, from an article in The Nation, quote, Early in his presidency, at a White House reception, Reagan greeted the only black member of his cabinet, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Samuel Pierce, saying, quote, How are you, Mr. Mayor? | ||
| I'm glad to meet you. | ||
| How are things in your city? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| There's my African-American right there. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| I mean, we have the same thing now with Ben Carson. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm sure Trump doesn't recognize him. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a funny... | ||
| Wrestling story. | ||
| About Ben Carson? | ||
| No, but it's very much how Vince and Trump are the same man. | ||
| They were having a meeting with all the WWE talent at one point. | ||
| I forgot what they were talking about. | ||
| There was going to be some new policy or changes were going to be going down or something like that. | ||
| And this black guy, Michael Tarver. | ||
| I know that name. | ||
| He was in the original Nexus. | ||
| And he raised his hand to ask a question. | ||
| People were like, whoa, this is bold. | ||
| This new guy is just asking a question out of nowhere. | ||
| This is kind of crazy. | ||
| But he raised his hand and asked a question, and Vince McMahon goes, excellent question, Shelton. | ||
| He thought he was Shelton Benjamin, a guy who was no longer with the company. | ||
| Also, the reason I thought I recognized that name is because of comedian Drew Tarver. | ||
| That's why I thought Tarver is not a common name. | ||
| Also, this is from San Francisco Weekly. | ||
| A UN declaration in 1966, the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights codified this. | ||
| The UN member nations, including the United States, a permanent member of the UN Security Council and the UN's host nation, signed an agreement that recognized the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including housing. | ||
| Though the U.S. signed the treaty, the Senate never ratified it, making America one of only two UN member states to fail to ratify, along with Thailand. | ||
| The U.S. has either failed to sign or failed to ratify at least six other international treaties in which housing was declared a human right. | ||
| And at this point, I should come out very clearly and make my advocacy clear. | ||
| I believe it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I believe that housing should be provided by the government. | ||
| Now we've done a cool, fun thing. | ||
| If anybody's been in Chicago and sat on a bus stop bench or anything. | ||
| That little pig. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| They've made them. | ||
| They lean forward. | ||
| They've got pegs everywhere. | ||
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Yep. | |
| There's a lot of places downtown where they have kind of like spiky things where you can't lay on them or the underpasses. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or the overpasses, rather. | ||
| They've got the concrete boards down where you can't lay on a bed or anything. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| A lot of cities do that. | ||
| It's weird to think that's someone's job. | ||
| It's crazy that it's someone's job to argue for that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, like some politician. | ||
| Like I'm some city planner guy and I'm like, dang, get in here. | ||
| You know those park benches, right? | ||
| Too comfortable. | ||
| People are sleeping on them. | ||
| Get to work. | ||
| Make him uncomfortable. | ||
| We need razor blades. | ||
| Make him uncomfortable. | ||
| You know what's crazy, too? | ||
| We went and did a show in Austin, and when we were down there, in the downtown area, there's a lot of homeless folk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I saw what I would describe as one of the most dystopian pictures I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| We were leaving the show and walking down the street. | ||
| And there was an area where it was clearly a place where people got food and stuff like that. | ||
| So there was a lot of people hanging around, and that wasn't that weird to me. | ||
| That was kind of like, this is very sad, and I feel bad about the fact that this exists. | ||
| We should be doing better. | ||
| But that was sort of like, I've seen stuff like that before, maybe. | ||
| But we walked a little bit further, and then there was a giant, I don't know, maybe a Chase building. | ||
| It was some huge company. | ||
| There's a giant... | ||
| Modern, ornate building. | ||
| Like, it was gorgeous. | ||
| And then, if you just looked right in front of you, on the planter, there was just someone passed out, you know, just almost naked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was just like, the juxtaposition of this giant, new, billion-dollar building, and someone... | ||
| Sleeping in their planter just made me so fucking depressed. | ||
| Made me so sad. | ||
| And with the knowledge that we can fix that. | ||
| We can do better. | ||
| Now maybe we can't fix everybody's problems, but the idea that people are sleeping on the street is something we absolutely can't fix. | ||
| We just adjust our priorities slightly. | ||
| This was a thing where Reagan... | ||
| It was weird too. | ||
| I remember going to D.C. back in the... | ||
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90s. | |
| And you think, like, oh, cool, I'm going to go see the White House. | ||
| And then, like, two blocks away, you're like, oh, this is a nightmare. | ||
| I mean, we talked about Skid Row on our Alyssa Lamb episode. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's places like that in almost every city. | ||
| A big city, at least. | ||
| So you see that, and you wonder with Reagan, too, where you hear about this, you hear about his lack of a response to HIV. | ||
| Not lack of a response. | ||
| Well, no response. | ||
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Cruel response. | |
| Cruel response and stuff like that. | ||
| And you wonder, like, how are you this cruel? | ||
| Or how was this pitched to you? | ||
| There's these things called welfare queens. | ||
| They're just taking money from the government. | ||
| How are they doing it now? | ||
| Growing up in Indiana, I heard a lot of all these black people who live in the projects. | ||
| They all have giant TVs. | ||
| They all have cable. | ||
| That got transferred into Obama phones. | ||
| Yeah, they all have phones. | ||
| None of them work. | ||
| They all get $500 a week. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's just like you hear all this and I'm just like, oh, okay. | ||
| I guess that's the deal. | ||
| And then you watch a documentary and you're like, oh. | ||
| Oh, that's a nightmare to live in Cabrini Green. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that that's the... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I haven't thought this out too much. | ||
| This thought might come out weirdly. | ||
| But I think that that's the comfortable illusion that people have to have in order to not... | ||
| Scream, we have to fix the problem. | ||
| Because if everybody was really aware of how people were living and stuff like that, people would be like, oh no, this isn't okay. | ||
| That's why Undercover Boss is such a great show, Dan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So the people who want to cut... | ||
| Taxes on corporations and the rich. | ||
| And people who want to strip Medicare, strip Medicaid, strip welfare programs. | ||
| They have to create the illusion that all these people are cheating. | ||
| Because then you feel fine fucking them. | ||
| Because you're not fucking them, you're righting the wrongs. | ||
| In the same way that right now we have the two versions of like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not a crime, really. | ||
| That's why a lot of our families came here. | ||
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Right. | |
| There's that, too. | ||
| And then the other version, which is the even crazier version, which is much closer to Alex Jones, is that they are actually human traffickers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you have to create these illusions, these false realities, in order to justify the cruelty that's going on, which is the cruelty, in both cases, is a function of white supremacy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's like, are they coming here to... | ||
| Suck on the welfare teat, or are they here to take our jobs? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's all these contradictions of like, they're coming here and taking our jobs. | ||
| They're coming here and not working. | ||
| It's like, which one is it? | ||
| It's gotta be one. | ||
| Yeah, or this whole thing of just, I mean, it's like, they're all just, like, you'll go on. | ||
| I've kind of, like I told you, I've taken a little bit of a media diet, and I'm not really watching a whole lot of stuff, but... | ||
| You know, you would watch those videos of like, hey, here's all these Republicans talking about Supreme Court judges. | ||
| Like, let's take a break. | ||
| Let's not, you know, and it's like, but now we got to do it. | ||
| We got to do it right now. | ||
| It's like, there's always that horse shit. | ||
| Well, that's what me and Jordan talk about all the time is the, like, the idea of telling a Republican or someone on the right that they're being hypocritical is pointless. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because the Roger Stone narrative is, just like you've been saying, like, keep punching. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| And you're wrong, and here's why. | ||
| It's like, no, no, no. | ||
| What about you being wrong? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Never show your ass. | ||
| If your ass is exposed, fart on somebody, basically. | ||
| My ass isn't exposed. | ||
| That's your ass. | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're lying about my ass being exposed. | ||
| Asses don't exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, that's the whole thing. | ||
| And I've talked to you about this, especially with Dick Cheney and stuff like that. | ||
| It's like, how much money is enough to where you're like, people are dying, but this Halliburton, baby, we're making some money. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| How much is enough money? | ||
| And you want to be like the king of or have all the money and then no one else does? | ||
| If I was one of these elites in the United States, I would be like, this country's falling apart. | ||
| Wouldn't you want, instead of me having four billion, maybe I only have two, but then a lot of the people around me are living well enough to where they're not like, let's go to that mansion and rip that fucking guy out of there. | ||
| The stage is far off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't watch The Dark Knight and go, oh no, or The Dark Knight Rises, and oh no, they might come to our penthouses and throw us in the streets. | ||
| You're making the same mistake Alex does in thinking fiction is reality. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| I think, too, that what we don't recognize, and I think Alex does a really clunky job of expressing this, but I think he expresses it a little bit. | ||
| And that is that we can't possibly understand the motivations of people on higher levels than us. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| For you and I... | ||
| Jack Nicholson, you don't know what it's like to have pressure making those decisions in A Few Good Men. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| When he's like, you can't handle the truth and all that stuff. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Of being like, I'm in a position where I have to make tough decisions. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I don't even mean it like that. | ||
| Although I do think there is something to that. | ||
| What I mean more is that you and I... | ||
| In terms of money, we just want to get by. | ||
| The level of the game we're playing We want to get by. | ||
| Now, let's assume you get married and have kids. | ||
| I'm saying you because that's not going to happen for me. | ||
| Hey, you never know that. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| You never know that. | ||
| But, like, assume you get married and have kids, then you enter sort of a next level, which is, like, I need to have a house. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| And now you're planning for these kids' futures. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Your financial concern becomes, like, can I help them through college or whatever version it is in your head. | ||
| And then there's another level above that, which is, like, business ownership, probably. | ||
| And then there's a level of... | ||
| Above that, which is dynasty building. | ||
| Yeah, baby. | ||
| You know, when you get into sick money, you're at the point where you're like, I want no one that ever comes from my loins to have to work. | ||
| I want Rockefeller money. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| I want an oil painting of me that'll last for generations. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People will go, great-great-grandfather Martin. | ||
| And some of that comes from money. | ||
| Some of it comes from great deeds or whatever. | ||
| And great, I don't mean good. | ||
| I mean big. | ||
| So I think that there's a decent chance that even with Dick Cheney, as much of a monster as he is, as much damage as he caused, I think that there's a possibility that somewhere deep within his dark... | ||
| Robotic heart. | ||
| Replaced heart, yeah. | ||
| I think that there's a possibility that he believed that by doing really, really terrible things, he could reach a positive outcome, which might be... | ||
| Like, I'm just breaking some eggs to make an omelet, baby. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't want to say that excuses anything, but there's a chance that he thought that, and then you come out the other side, you forgive all of the innocents that I've killed in order to have this Pax Romana. | ||
| I do wonder, like... | ||
| I was watching a... | ||
| Nazi documentary, as I want to do. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I thought you would have watched them all by now. | ||
| No, there's still new ones that come out. | ||
| Hitler's Bodyguards. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| But there's these, they're every once in a while, and you kind of wonder, you're just like, he was the architect. | ||
| Himmler or something like that. | ||
| And they're just like, this is one of the true architects of all of Hitler's plans and stuff. | ||
| And you wonder if they're all just sitting on a table, and one guy's like, I'm going to throw this out there. | ||
| This is going to sound crazy, but what if... | ||
| That was... | ||
| Do you want to hear a crazy story? | ||
| A crazy wrestling story? | ||
| Does this have to do with Hitler's generals? | ||
| No, but it's kind of one of those... | ||
| I'm going to throw this out there. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, I had a friend who used to write... | ||
| WWE Creative was one of the writers there. | ||
| And they were all sitting around a table. | ||
| Was it Freddie Prinze Jr.? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Just checking. | ||
| Who is a dear close friend of mine. | ||
| Freddie Prinze? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But... | ||
| They were all sitting on the table, and Vince McMahon's like, God damn it, I want some fucking ideas. | ||
| Somebody give me something. | ||
| And I won't say who the old wrestler, who was like an agent. | ||
| No need to put people's business on the streets. | ||
| And he's like, look. | ||
| It's Freddie Prinze. | ||
| I'm going to throw this out there. | ||
| No, he's a former wrestler. | ||
| Freddie Prinze. | ||
| Because I'm going to throw this out there, and I might sound crazy for this. | ||
| Hell, I might even get fired for this. | ||
| I'm going to just put it out there. | ||
| What if Mark Henry in a match gets hurt, gets hit in the head? | ||
| I just go to the hospital. | ||
| We find out later via x-rays. | ||
| Gorilla. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Like, what? | ||
| I think Vince was like, I appreciate your input, but now let's move on. | ||
| Now, I imagine Vince was like, that's great. | ||
| We can't do that. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I'm going to say this. | ||
| This might go over great. | ||
| This might get me fired. | ||
| But I'm going to say this. | ||
| And he threw that out there to the world. | ||
| Man, your delivery on that was strong. | ||
| And everybody just went, whoa! | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| That would have probably been fine at some point, though. | ||
| Oh, yeah, probably in the 80s. | ||
| Like, he impregnated that lady and they gave birth to a hand. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In 2098. | ||
| But I am getting back to what we were talking about. | ||
| I am... | ||
| And I think this is sort of... | ||
| We're way off track. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think there is sort of this thing of, like, the real powerful, the elites. | ||
| Are like, listen, like, I don't know, there has to be like, Dad, I hear a lot of, like, Ron Reagan Jr., you know? | ||
| He's, I keep seeing this commercial for him about atheism. | ||
| He's like, you sick of people talking about God? | ||
| He's part of this, like, new atheist thing or whatever. | ||
|
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Gross. | |
| And I know he's pretty, he's obviously liberal and things like that, and he's been outspoken about stuff, but it's especially, too, like, you gotta wonder if, like, you're growing up and you're just like, hey, man, turns out. | ||
| I think my dad might not have been the coolest dude on the planet. | ||
| Oh, turns out my dad sucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of people have to go through that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we're going through it in this next clip with Rowdy Roddy Piper. | ||
| Oh, God, please. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| No more sidetrack. | ||
| I think this clip is where I will... | ||
| Is this where you lost faith in the hot rod? | ||
| Well, yeah, and you probably will as well. | ||
| It's where I was like, up till this next clip, it was where I was like, maybe he doesn't know what show he's on. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Unfortunately, this clip happens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But, you know, one of my favorite lines is, because I feel like this all the time, trying to politically awaken people that they're being lied to, that there's an agenda. | ||
| It's not left or right. | ||
| It's, hey, there's mind control going on. | ||
| The signals broadcast 24 hours a day through all this media. | ||
| Just become aware of it. | ||
| And they'll say, there's nothing going on. | ||
| And I want to say, put on these glasses or start chewing concrete. | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| And by the way, I'm a big booster of you. | ||
| I've watched some of your taking care of America and watched you in a hotel room while the buzzing was going on. | ||
| And I think you do a terrific job. | ||
| That hurts. | ||
| While what was going on? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably he was going around to doing wrestling shows and stuff. | ||
| See, I blame... | ||
| Concussions? | ||
| Well, that also. | ||
| Rough life. | ||
| No, I blame people turning... | ||
| Roddy on to Alex. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| It's someone's fault. | ||
| You gotta see Alex Jones. | ||
| You don't know Alex Jones? | ||
| But I think, I mean, you and I are even examples of people without, like, a close examination of Alex where, like, this guy's wild. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, we didn't think he was as big of a problem as we... | ||
| And I think Roddy probably identifies or feels a bit of a kinship with him in the sense of, like, he's a showman just like me, you know? | ||
| And back in the 90s, Roddy Piper did extensive battles with the NWO. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He and Ric Flair got together. | ||
| He cowers over nobody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who was that when he had tried to get a family together? | ||
| Didn't Piper try and fight the NWO? | ||
| Yeah, he tried to start his own group. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then had to get Flair, right? | ||
| Wasn't that how that worked? | ||
| I have very vague memories of this. | ||
| There was a really bad Nitro where he tried to get his own. | ||
| Grouped together. | ||
| His own posse? | ||
| Yeah, and it was a disaster. | ||
| Got the No Limit Soldiers. | ||
| Yeah, there was a lot of faction warfare back in the day. | ||
| I think it should come back. | ||
| But I also think it's incredibly disappointing to hear I'm a big booster. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because like we said before we went to that clip, you kind of hope that it's an accident. | ||
| I was really bummed out when I heard that Joe Rogan being like, Alex, I love you. | ||
| You're a friend. | ||
| He's known Alex for like 20 years. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Why did Alex turn on Rogan? | ||
| Because Rogan, he said two things. | ||
| Oh, Soros. | ||
| He didn't believe Soros. | ||
| Well, that was one of them. | ||
| And then Joe also was like, it's really stupid what Alex is saying about Anthony Bourdain's suicide. | ||
| Pull the lid on a pedophile ring. | ||
| He was about to come out and say all this stuff, and Rogan was like, this is really fucking awful. | ||
| But the thing I think is so fucking cowardly is that Rogan is now being like, I love this guy, but you need to calm down. | ||
| It isn't calm down. | ||
| Your rhetoric is terrible. | ||
| Your rhetoric is irresponsible, and it's hurting lots of people. | ||
| What Rogan needs to do is he needs to come on his goddamn program and be like, I'm sorry. | ||
| I love this guy. | ||
| He's my friend. | ||
| I'm sorry that I had him on my show. | ||
| And Milo. | ||
| There's a bigger issue there. | ||
| I think there's that thing of like, I'll give anybody... | ||
| You had fucking Ted Nugent on the other day. | ||
| I know, it's like, I'll give anybody a platform to talk, and it's like... | ||
| We're going to have a conversation. | ||
| If Joe Rogan is having Ted Nugent on his goddamn show, he should also have Courtney Love on the fucking show so she can talk about how Ted Nugent made her blow him when she was 12. There you go. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, you can't... | ||
| And you should have all of the clips of Ted Nugent saying the fucking N-word all over the place. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Telling Barack Obama to suck on his guns on stage with actual guns on stage. | ||
| Oh, he never said anything like that. | ||
| This is crazy what they're saying about Trump now. | ||
| All the fucking videos of Ted Nugent being like, ah, s***. | ||
| I saw Nancy Pelosi. | ||
| I told her to suck on my machine gun. | ||
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Now we're going into stranglehold. | |
| There's this thing of being... | ||
| You can't do this. | ||
| You can't be like, I'm an observer. | ||
| I'm on the side. | ||
| I'm just talking to interesting people. | ||
| You are absolutely not. | ||
| You have a fucking responsibility. | ||
| Stick to Duncan Trussell. | ||
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If you want to get crazy... | |
| Trussell. | ||
| Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Joey Diaz. | ||
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You can let Eddie Bravo go, you know, I heard this guy say this. | |
| And you go, ah, come on, Eddie. | ||
| Don't listen to that shit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You keep your crazy in a box. | ||
| You don't allow these horrible, horrible people to be exposed. | ||
| And not like his audience doesn't know who Ted Nugent is. | ||
| But when you have a two-hour conversation with a person, it humanizes them and allows you to be... | ||
| The surrogate person there, where it's like, if I love Joe Rogan, and I don't know a whole lot about Ted Nugent, and I hear them talking amicably for two and a half, three hours, I'm gonna come away from it. | ||
| Here's an example of it. | ||
| When I used to listen to Loveline all the time, first of all, I thought Adam Carolla was cool. | ||
| That was a problem. | ||
| There was a time where he was the funniest man in America. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So let's not lie about that. | ||
| He changed. | ||
| But also, there'd be guests on there that I have no reason to like, but I liked. | ||
| John Mayer was a great guest. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And for some reason, I liked John Mayer because he was on Loveline and it was cool. | ||
| Made Andy Dick seem just like a lovable, wacky guy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| When he was... | ||
| But a monster. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is the effect you have when you are a charismatic, popular figure who interviews people for long periods of time. | ||
| Instead of just a short, super edited interview. | ||
| And it's dangerous. | ||
| It's really, really dangerous to not respect and understand your responsibility that you have. | ||
| And the fact that Joe Rogan was just like, I love Alex Jones, he's got to calm down. | ||
| I think he's not dealing with the idea that I am a part of this now. | ||
| I didn't have to be... | ||
| I've introduced... | ||
| Millions of people to Alex Jones. | ||
| Maybe not millions, but yeah, maybe. | ||
| Those people probably already knew who he was. | ||
| But he's doing that thing of silly old Alex over there. | ||
| But also at the same time, allowing Alex to... | ||
| We went over that episode and he allowed Alex to sound like he knew what he was talking about in a way that he shouldn't have. | ||
| He should have pushed back on all this to expose that Alex, you're lying to people. | ||
| And because he loves him, he doesn't want to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really, really fucking dangerous. | ||
| Now, unfortunately, Rowdy Roddy Piper also likes Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's a bummer. | ||
| Now, in the next clip we have here, Rowdy Roddy Piper says something that I think Alex misunderstands. | ||
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Okay. | |
| This is the kind of thing that needs to be exposed to America. | ||
| They need to know. | ||
| You know, they're trying to put us to sleep. | ||
| I'm a born rebel. | ||
| I can't help myself. | ||
| I think Sean might be, too. | ||
| Rowdy. | ||
| Rowdy. | ||
| Roddy Piper is a born rebel? | ||
| You gotta be kidding. | ||
| Best guess. | ||
| Best guess at it, bud. | ||
| So, Alex is smiling like the cat that just ate the canary. | ||
| Like, he is over the moon when he says that. | ||
| I think that what Rowdy Roddy Piper meant is he's rebellious by nature. | ||
| What Alex thinks he meant is that he thinks that the South was right in the Civil War. | ||
| Because that's what Alex thinks when he talks about being a rebel. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| The rebel flag. | ||
| All that sort of stuff. | ||
| That is what Alex thinks. | ||
| He's like, oh shit! | ||
| Rowdy Roddy Piper is a Civil War revisionist? | ||
| This is exciting! | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I don't think Rowdy Roddy Piper is saying that. | ||
| I think that's what Alex thinks. | ||
| I think Piper is saying, like I said, I'm a rebel. | ||
| Yeah, I'm rebellious. | ||
| I buck against the system. | ||
| And Alex hears, I'm a... | ||
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I believe in the South. | |
| That the South will rise again. | ||
| Meanwhile, fucking Piper is from Canada. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't think he has skin in the game. | ||
| No. | ||
| But that to me was like a moment where I'm like, oh no. | ||
| Oh no, Alex. | ||
| I think you should have asked a follow-up question there. | ||
| I think Alex, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if I... | ||
| You're more onto Alex than I am, so I don't know about that one. | ||
| But I do think Alex is a guy who... | ||
| No, I know this 100%. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But I think Alex is a guy who can fit whatever you say into his narrative. | ||
| Yeah, but his narrative in this case is that Piper believes that the South was right. | ||
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That's... | |
| Because otherwise, there would be no reason to be like, can you believe it? | ||
| He's a born rebel? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because of course he is. | ||
| Anybody who knows anything about Piper knows that he didn't walk the beaten path in life. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That he was an iconoclast in many ways. | ||
| The fact that he's surprised means that he thinks it means something other than that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I know 100%. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That in this case, it means he celebrates Old Dixie. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm certain of it. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| So that was a misunderstanding, I think, but this next one definitely isn't. | ||
| You know, every time we want to go to war, send your boy to war. | ||
| My boy's already been there. | ||
| And it becomes with the mind control, trying to dumb down the society, drugging society, putting stuff... | ||
| I mean, it's a major, major conspiracy for a new world order. | ||
| There's no doubt about it in my humble opinion. | ||
| There's no doubt about it that the world is trying to evolve into something. | ||
| Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy Piper, I'm sorry I interrupted. | ||
| What do you think you're trying to evolve it into? | ||
| So, a couple things, really quick. | ||
| The idea that Piper is saying that the world is trying to become something is important. | ||
| You need to hold on to that thought. | ||
| Because he comes back to it later. | ||
| But the most important thing here is Piper believes in the New World Order. | ||
| New, new, new World Order. | ||
| Second, that technique that Alex just displayed there is trademark Alex Jones. | ||
| Whenever his guest says what he needs them to say, he cuts them off. | ||
| Lest they say something that will... | ||
| That would be like, what I mean is... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He cuts them off and then reframes exactly the same question they were about to answer in order to cut off their thought and make it be like, oh, let's start a new thought. | ||
| He does this all the fucking time. | ||
| I agree with that for sure. | ||
| I've heard him do that all the time. | ||
| You're like, that's not... | ||
| I've listened to you guys do it. | ||
| You're like, wait, that's not what he said. | ||
| There's no reason for him to have cut him off there. | ||
| He was obvious... | ||
| Piper was... | ||
| He was about to finish his thought. | ||
| He wasn't going to break. | ||
| It's not like he has to be like, Rowdy! | ||
| Rowdy! | ||
| You know he didn't have anything to say. | ||
| He just had to cut him off. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Who are you, Larry King? | ||
| There's a... | ||
| One of those... | ||
| Some YouTube channel had wrestling conspiracy theories or whatever. | ||
| I was like, I'll watch this. | ||
| And one was that Ted Turner created the NWO as a distraction from the real NWO. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Also, Rowdy mentioned his son, Colton. | ||
| There's a couple kids. | ||
| Cabana one time, my comedy partner, Colton Cabana, or Colt, which is what Piper calls his son. | ||
| Piper texted Colt one time, like, I love you and I'm so proud of you. | ||
| And Colt's like, I wish he was saying that for real to me. | ||
| But he just wrote him back, like, I think you got the wrong Colt there, bud, but I hope you're doing fine. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Anybody who's named... | ||
| I can't think of a name that's really close to mom. | ||
| Oh, I was going to say your other comedy cohort, Don Friesen. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| No, I've only gotten prank messages about that. | ||
| Although I do hope Don Friesen's doing well. | ||
| I tell you what, I was on a website. | ||
| Putting in some information for a booking thing and they had his raid on there. | ||
| It looks like he's doing pretty good. | ||
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Oh yeah? | |
| He's doing okay. | ||
| It was really close to having him on the podcast. | ||
| It was this close. | ||
| He's doing alright. | ||
| Our friend Jeff Sheen worked with him a couple times. | ||
| He opened for him on some dates. | ||
| I was like, fucking tell him that... | ||
| There's another Friesen. | ||
| We've got to talk. | ||
| And he was like, I'll do it. | ||
| And I think Don Friesen might have emailed me. | ||
| No, he sent me a Facebook message. | ||
| Hey, there you go. | ||
| I have communicated with Don Friesen. | ||
| I completely forgot about that. | ||
| But you are 100% right. | ||
| The one I remember, too, is... | ||
| Man, what family member he had on the podcast one time. | ||
| Alex? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Buckley, his cousin? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It was a... | ||
| Who's one of the big families that he always rallies against? | ||
| Oh, the one with the Rothschilds? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he would be like, well, you know, yeah, we did that. | ||
| And he'd go, ah, yeah! | ||
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There you go. | |
| There you go. | ||
| It's a malicious interview tactic. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, it's not... | ||
| Get what you need and you move on. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Hope whenever you're cutting them off, you have a clean enough... | ||
| Rowdy, Rowdy Piper. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Battles the NWO. | ||
| So most people don't catch on to it, because if Alex was interviewing me and he did that, I would get... | ||
| Furious. | ||
| Well, you know, at WrestleMania V, Morton Downey Jr. kept interrupting Rowdy Roddy Piper. | ||
| And Rowdy had enough of it. | ||
| Didn't like that. | ||
| And he said, Don't blow no smoke in my face. | ||
| And then he got a fire extinguisher. | ||
| Piper does not do that to Alex Jones. | ||
| He instead ends up complimenting him. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| This, again, I respect you and what you're doing in Sean. | ||
| Your opinions are much... | ||
| No, no, but we want to know yours. | ||
| Don't be humble, sir. | ||
| No, but you're much more educated on this than I am, and I don't want to... | ||
| This is too serious. | ||
| I don't want to... | ||
| This is just my humble opinion. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The world has to go someplace. | ||
| So he keeps... | ||
| Roddy Piper's sort of theme seems to be that the world has to become something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I completely agree with. | ||
| I completely agree with it. | ||
| And he's saying that there is, like, sort of nefarious forces behind the scenes, and I would agree with that, too, but I would reframe it sort of in terms of, like, abusive capitalism, like, deregulation of business. | ||
| Like, those sorts of things are the crushing unions. | ||
| Like, something's boiling. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's something boiling. | ||
| the negative forces, I think we probably could have an argument about what they are. | ||
| But we could agree with the concept that yes, nothing is static. | ||
| The world is constantly changing. | ||
| And so here we get into sort of a picture I think that they want one governmental force to govern the world. | ||
| It's just that everybody's got their own agenda. | ||
| You can't get that done unless Gandhi's around. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| Not sure what that means. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I don't think Gandhi would have been able to create a one-world government. | ||
| Charismatic leader? | ||
| Perhaps, he thinks. | ||
| But, I mean, Gandhi was around. | ||
| That didn't happen. | ||
| We can't get everybody on the same page. | ||
| Another idea is, if we all spoke the same language, it would be kind of cool. | ||
| Because communication is gone. | ||
| And then we can't tell when they say obey. | ||
| You know, we were mad at Russia for how long? | ||
| But I've been there. | ||
| And they're pretty nice people. | ||
| Rowdy Roddy Piper loves Russia. | ||
| If you go back and look at it, Russia didn't want to start a nuclear war. | ||
| Pretty good people around the world. | ||
| And to Rowdy Roddy Piper's point, I agree. | ||
| The people are fine. | ||
| The people are fine. | ||
| The governments. | ||
| Papa who's in charge over there. | ||
| I would assume that he's talking about going to Russia since 1999, maybe. | ||
| He might have gone before, although I think that would be anachronistic for his career and life. | ||
| I would say that since then, Putin has been in power, and he's a bad dude. | ||
| I bet Putin watched some Hogan and Piper back in the day. | ||
| He had to have. | ||
| Loves a strong man. | ||
|
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Oh, yes. | |
| I loved it. | ||
| Here's an interesting question. | ||
| Do you think that people in foreign countries, like, do you think people in Bulgaria really love Rusev? | ||
| Do you think that the Russians back then actually liked Nikola Kozlov? | ||
| Nikita Kozlov? | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Nikita Kolov. | ||
| Kolov, whatever. | ||
| I don't fucking remember that guy. | ||
| Look, I don't like wrestling as much as you do. | ||
| I know a bit of stuff, but I don't know everything. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I bet they didn't. | ||
| I know the Von Eriks were very popular in Israel. | ||
| Wait, but aren't they from Texas? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have no idea why they were so popular in Israel. | ||
| See, we're not talking about that. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| I'm talking about the people. | ||
| Do they like the fake version? | ||
| Even if Rusev is ethnically Bulgarian, I'm not entirely sure what his story is. | ||
| Yeah, he's the Bulgarian brute. | ||
| Right, but do they like the fake version? | ||
| Like, do people in Mexico like Alberto Del Rio when he was in WWE? | ||
| He's from Mexico. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| Yeah, I see what you're saying. | ||
| Or if they hired me and they made me a Russian, would Russians be like, Fuck yeah, dude. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Because I think it's that thing about being like, finally, I see me. | ||
| I see me on that TV. | ||
|
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Even though it wasn't me or real. | |
| But the character is bad. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| So Irish people love Fit Finley? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's a legend in Ireland. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, some of them probably. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You don't think William Regal is well-loved in England? | ||
| See, that's the next one I was thinking of. | ||
| There's a thin line between caricature. | ||
| There's a line between caricature. | ||
| So I would want to know if Axel Rotten, who used to do a British character accent and everything. | ||
| That's more what I'm talking about. | ||
| If people over there were like, eh, we liked what you were doing over there. | ||
| Do countries hang their hat on someone who is maybe an offensive portrayal of them just to see representation? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's interesting because Russia almost never... | ||
| Well, let's ask somebody in the Middle East what they thought of Italian Mohamed Hassan. | ||
| He's Italian? | ||
| Yeah, I don't think he was actually Middle Eastern at all. | ||
| Mark Caponi? | ||
| That was his name? | ||
| I don't think anyone. | ||
| I would say I don't think anyone liked that. | ||
| Yeah, that's funny. | ||
| Somebody just being like, but you know... | ||
| Oh, like did people like when... | ||
| What was the guy who played the Indian guy in... | ||
| Oh, that 80s movie about the robot Johnny Five. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I know who you're talking about. | ||
| Not batteries, not included. | ||
| What's that fucking movie? | ||
| People hate this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Short Circuit 2. Fisher Stevens. | ||
| Fisher Stevens, yeah. | ||
| I was coming up with the character or the actor and you were coming up with the movie. | ||
| And you came up with both. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| So it's like, do people go like, well, at least we got an Indian guy, fake or not, on the screen? | ||
| No, do you think that black people enjoyed that soul man? | ||
| Blackface, yeah. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I would imagine that what we're getting to is... | ||
| No, I bet they don't. | ||
| Do you think white women appreciated white chicks? | ||
| Do you think babies enjoyed little men? | ||
| I watched a very serious film critique of white chicks the other day on YouTube. | ||
| And this guy was like, at no point... | ||
| He's a British guy. | ||
| He's like, at no point do they look anything like... | ||
| The white women they were portraying. | ||
| But that had to have been a guy doing a bit. | ||
| No, he was very serious. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He was so serious. | ||
| I don't know if I trust that. | ||
| He's like, this is garbage. | ||
| He's like, at least try to make them. | ||
| He goes, at least the white women that they're supposed to look like make the white women through makeup look more like these guys look. | ||
| That's an interesting idea for them to have done as a movie. | ||
| But I don't believe that a serious movie critic would do that kind of a review without... | ||
| Why am I doing this? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
|
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Why am I reviewing this movie? | |
| I don't know his name, but he's this British guy who has a lava lamp. | ||
| People are pranking me. | ||
| He's a British guy who has a lava lamp. | ||
| He's great at movie reviews. | ||
| You need to spend less time on YouTube. | ||
| George something. | ||
| I'm so into YouTube right now. | ||
| This is a mess, man. | ||
| I'm going to YouTube. | ||
| Do you subscribe to YouTube Red? | ||
| No. | ||
|
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You're not that deep. | |
| All right. | ||
| But I'm in, man. | ||
| Every night I go to bed to YouTube. | ||
| You're savable at this point, but... | ||
| Toy Galaxy is my favorite. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| I accidentally watched... | ||
| I knew the names Rhett and Link, but I accidentally watched one of their shows. | ||
| How are they... | ||
| I mean, I guess it's just because they put it out there. | ||
| How are they this popular? | ||
| I have no... | ||
| There's certain people... | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| You just nailed my review. | ||
| There are certain people, and it's not a jealous thing. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| I wish them all the best in the world. | ||
| But there's certain people who I'm just like, how are you? | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| I think John Mulaney is a great comic. | ||
| How is he selling out the Chicago theater like five nights in a row? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| That one I understand much more than Rhett and Link. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| There are some people on there. | ||
| I'll be on Twitter. | ||
| I'll go to the news and I'll see what's trending or whatever. | ||
| And they'll be like, YouTuber. | ||
| Tabitha Smith had to shut down a convention that she was doing because 50,000 people showed up and they only thought 10 were going to show up. | ||
| It's like, who are you? | ||
| That's the children. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I want to complain more about Rhett and Link really quick. | ||
| I get it that Mulaney's clean. | ||
| He wears a suit. | ||
| He looks very presentable. | ||
|
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And very funny. | |
| And he's very funny. | ||
| I just don't know. | ||
| I'm not saying he's not funny. | ||
| I'm just saying... | ||
| How is it like where... | ||
| More of your thought is like the Chicago theater is huge. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That's more of it. | ||
| Back to Rhett and Link. | ||
| I'd never seen any of their videos. | ||
| I watched a couple of them and I found their personalities to be distasteful. | ||
| Not like I hated them, but I was just like, I don't understand why anybody would watch these boring. | ||
| I watched one where they drank a bunch of different types of sodas or something. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| I get that format. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You do. | ||
| Novelty beverage, Dan. | ||
| Novelty beverage enthusiast, Dan Friesen. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Spice report, Dan. | ||
| But I also don't get how it has 8 million viewers. | ||
| That part, I mean, even make it 1 million, I don't understand. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Because their personalities are not anything other than bland. | ||
| Tableaus whereupon you can paint whatever you'd like to be there. | ||
| You can just imagine whatever character is there you want. | ||
| All that stuff is fine. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| What I don't understand is they have a fucking laugh track or the people who are making that show, the people behind the scenes, are literally standing around while they're recording it and there's a gas leak in that fucking studio. | ||
| Was it like a talk soup thing where people are laughing while they're doing the bit? | ||
| It's so uncomfortable. | ||
| I was watching one, and I'm like, what the fuck are these laughs? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Because people are saying things that aren't really that funny, and they'll be like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm convinced it's a laugh track. | ||
|
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Oh, I love this. | |
| It makes me so uncomfortable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's even like, I haven't watched sitcom sitcoms in a long time, and I love old shows. | ||
| There are a bunch of shows that I love. | ||
| You go back and watch them, and you're like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This feels weird. | ||
| Why is everyone laughing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very strange, and Rhett and Link suck. | ||
| That might hurt my possibilities of career advancement once. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| We're not on YouTube. | ||
| Who are they? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
|
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Very interesting. | |
| It's very weird. | ||
| So, in the last clip, before we got off on the tangent. | ||
| I wish Toy Galaxy all the best, and he deserves all the... | ||
| Followers in the world. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's fantastic. | ||
| I'm not saying there aren't good things on YouTube. | ||
| I'm just saying that the ones that are super popular seem to be terrible. | ||
| His three-part history of G.I. Joe review was fantastic. | ||
|
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Love it. | |
| We'll not be watching that, but I bet it's good. | ||
| In the last clip, Piper was complaining about there's going to be a one-world government. | ||
| One language, one currency, you bet. | ||
| He didn't even mention the currency part, but he's saying this in a pretty negative way, which runs counter to this next clip. | ||
| What do I believe is trying to happen? | ||
| Real quick, that is why I told you to hold on to the idea of the world is going to change into something. | ||
| And he's presenting that as a... | ||
| Bad thing, but now maybe a good thing? | ||
| No, but the way he's presenting it here is this is what's trying to happen. | ||
| The positive version of it. | ||
| Just what naturally the world is trying to change into. | ||
| What do I believe is trying to happen? | ||
| I believe that a lot of people with their own agendas are trying to come around and make one government to govern the entire world. | ||
| And there's some things they're going to have to do. | ||
| We've all got to speak the same language, and we've all got to be sincere about what's going on and not so greedy. | ||
| Absolutely, because you can have the Star Trek idea of a one-world government and everybody's nice. | ||
| The problem is the people running the global government are not nice people, and they want control. | ||
| What? | ||
| Alex is saying... | ||
| I agree, but here's why that can't happen. | ||
| Alex is saying, like, hey, it's cool if there is a one-world government in one version that's, like, what? | ||
| I feel like Alex is like, yeah, I totally think that would be cool, but, you know, then the people in charge might not be cool. | ||
| But no matter who was trying to make that sort of centralized power structure, he would be like, they're bad. | ||
| They're evil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that's a good way to make money. | ||
| So the idea that he's open to the idea of one-world government, just not this one-world government, is like, what? | ||
| That's so different than what he normally says. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's ludicrous. | ||
| Absolute power corrupts absolutely. | ||
| And then between those last two clips, we have Piper saying, you know, one-world government structure, universal language as a sort of negatively... | ||
| Contextualized thing in the first clip. | ||
| And then in the second clip he's saying that what needs to happen with the way the world is trying to grow, we need to have a one-world power structure. | ||
| He did the Planet of the Apes 3 ending. | ||
| Right! | ||
| But alas, maybe a one-world government is the way to go. | ||
| So what are these people even saying? | ||
| We just gotta be chill, baby. | ||
| What are they talking about? | ||
| We need to be sincere about everything and less greedy. | ||
| I agree with those things. | ||
| You're hearing a guy who's probably at 8 million concussions. | ||
| Who probably is just, like, so out of it. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| And I'm not judging him too harshly. | ||
| But I am judging Alex pretty harshly for having a celebrity on his show and then being like, oh, there's a good version of the One World Order. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Well, I mean, if it's the good one, sure, but we know that ain't gonna happen. | ||
| Hey, what's the good one, Alex? | ||
| Where, uh... | ||
| It's white. | ||
| I'm in charge. | ||
| It's white. | ||
| Where I'm a colonel. | ||
| Um, so, I mean, that's just like... | ||
| There's a lot of examples over the years that I've been able to find of him just completely invalidating his own principles. | ||
| Which I find delightful. | ||
| Do you think when... | ||
| This is so funny that all these guys keep getting fired or resigning or whatever. | ||
| Who was the Breitbart guy that was working for Trump? | ||
| Oh, Bannon? | ||
| Bannon. | ||
| Do you think when Bannon got fired, if it would have been a fun prank of somebody who sounds just like Trump to call Alex and be like, look, Bannon's out. | ||
| I need you to take that job over. | ||
| If Alex would have thought in his heart, this is legit, there's no way. | ||
| He would have done a special report immediately. | ||
| Like, there's no way. | ||
| Yeah, if you could get Anthony Atamanik to call in and do that, that would be amazing. | ||
| I mean, it would be so easy. | ||
|
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You're going to have to give me a little time to shut things down here, but I can be there, Mr. President. | |
| Listen, Owen Troyer is ready to take over. | ||
| He's doing great. | ||
| He's a good kid. | ||
| He's dumb as the day is long, but he's a good kid. | ||
| David Knight will keep him in order. | ||
| Yeah, I think you could. | ||
| I'll get him on Rogan's podcast. | ||
| Everyone will. | ||
| I think if you could, like, dummy the sending number, you know, like, make it look like it's coming from D.C. Washington, D.C. You don't have that Washington. | ||
| It could be Washington State. | ||
| Washington, Seattle. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You get a decent sound-alike. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you'd need someone to do, like, a Steve Pachanek impression, though, because you'd need some backup. | ||
| Yeah, before I put you on with the president, I'm just going to give you a little heads up. | ||
| I don't think Alex knows what Jared Kushner or Steve Miller sound like. | ||
| So you could have someone doing an impression of either of them. | ||
| It could sound like you or I. It wouldn't really matter. | ||
| Hey, it's Steve Buchanek. | ||
| No, you can't do it. | ||
| Because Alex and Steve are friends. | ||
| Hey, Alex, this is me, Jared Kushner. | ||
| I'm going to put you on with my father-in-law in a minute. | ||
| I don't want to spoil anything, but I think Bannon's job is yours for the taking. | ||
| Hopefully that's something you might want to do. | ||
| And I'm going to pitch over to... | ||
| It turns out my father-in-law really likes having chief strategists that are media propagandists. | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| Dad has always been impressed with you. | ||
| Dad's always been a fan of yours. | ||
| No, Daddy. | ||
| Daddy has always been a fan of yours. | ||
| Daddy's always thought you were one of the smartest guys out there. | ||
| And Alex is like, oh my god, this is happening. | ||
| He loves how you're trying to rehabilitate the career of Milo Yiannopoulos. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Loves that you love white people so much. | ||
| I mean, that would be really fun to see just what would happen, because InfoWars is super gullible. | ||
| They've fallen for so many things. | ||
| But are you willing to shave, though? | ||
| Oh, so we're doing this now. | ||
| Because he didn't have a beard back then. | ||
| No, back then it would have been funnier. | ||
| It would have been funnier even if you would have been like, are you willing to grow a beard? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I've been debating growing a beard for a while. | ||
| And honestly, that might be what's going on now. | ||
|
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One of those guys on Rhett and Link have a nice beard, and I'm into it. | |
| I only know that that's Rhett, because I... | ||
| Singularly hated Link. | ||
| I think he has zero personality, and I want to push him in a locker. | ||
| Very few people trigger, like, my beliefs. | ||
| I love how bad you are about these two ding-dongs. | ||
| I'm not really, but, like, I just... | ||
| I'm glad I know who they are, and I've also wondered how they're... | ||
| I think I, like, did research. | ||
| I, like, was, like, how... | ||
| I think I Googled, like, why are they so popular or whatever, and they just, like... | ||
| It's one of those, like, because we were in on the ground floor and did it every day. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, there's stuff like Hot Ones that I think is really great. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And they get, like, two million views on a lot of their videos. | ||
| And, like, I understand why people watch this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's other things, too, that, like, have a ton of views that are not for me that I don't enjoy, but I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People like Rhett and Link. | ||
| I'm just like... | ||
| There's also lots of boring people out there. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Who like boring shit. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, sometimes things are a little bit too out there for you. | ||
| Maybe you don't want to hear about lizard people. | ||
|
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Look, I'm not for everybody, but the people I am for, enjoy. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, in this next clip, man. | ||
| So, at this point, Piper has just been stupid in the sense that, like, he respects Alex. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Which is... | ||
| I will say this about Piper, and I remember one time I was so excited because either he was going to have Vince Russo on his podcast or Vince Russo was going to have him on, and Piper for a long time had been saying, You're a cancer in the wrestling business. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because of you, Owen Hart died. | ||
| All this stuff. | ||
| Like, just heavy-duty shit. | ||
| And Piper goes, you know what? | ||
|
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I thought about it. | |
| You're a daddy. | ||
| You're trying to provide for your... | ||
| She kept calling him a daddy. | ||
|
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You're just trying to provide for your children, and I got no beef with you. | |
| You gotta squash it. | ||
| And I was like, nah, that's it. | ||
| It was this big... | ||
| They built it up and everything, and then I was like... | ||
| You're a daddy. | ||
| I was like, goddammit. | ||
| At the same time, it's kind of adult. | ||
| Yeah, not what I'm looking for. | ||
| No. | ||
| Out of my wrestling podcast. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| By two hucksters. | ||
| So at this point, the only thing that's really stupid is that he respects Alex. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Unfortunately, in this next clip, he's going to say something that is much stupider. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| It all starts with the kids. | ||
| And as you get older and a little wiser, you're harder to fool. | ||
| But you put up another pop idol for the kids. | ||
| Put up another... | ||
| A piece of music that maybe isn't nothing but vulgarity for the kids. | ||
| You know, bang it into them. | ||
| You know, I can remember, I think you know the Brunswick Affair probably, Alan. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Yeah, and for those who don't know about the Brunswick Affair, very quickly, about, I think, early 60s, they had a TV called the Brunswick. | ||
| And the people that bought it... | ||
| Dad would go to work, Mom would be there, and Dad would come back home, and all of a sudden she bought 20 pounds of dog food. | ||
| But they don't have a dog. | ||
| And they found out that there was a little button in a TV called the Brunswick. | ||
| And when the commercials came on, they did something that shot out these waves and made you buy. | ||
| That's in the early 60s. | ||
| Can you imagine how sophisticated they are now? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| I think The Hot Rod is a bit of a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Do you know what The Brunswick Affair is? | ||
| I do not. | ||
| It's a television show that was... | ||
| It was like The Twilight Zone. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This episode, The Brunswick Affair... | ||
| I'm into it. | ||
| ...is... | ||
| A mockumentary-type style TV program that came out that talked about TV sets that were put out in the 60s. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| So he's talking about this mockumentary as if it were real? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's like a Twilight Zone episode being real or a Black Mirror nowadays. | ||
| Well, it's based on reality. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| I mean, it's interesting ideas, certainly. | ||
| And it's obviously mirroring something that people would... | ||
| I mean, there have been reports of subliminal messages and stuff. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| In the media. | ||
| Advertising is rife with inethical practices. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But specifically what he's talking about is something that is absolutely fake. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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And it's nonsense because the dates don't match up. | |
| In order to avoid getting sued, they change the name from the Brunswick radio and TV company to... | ||
| Oh, Roddy. | ||
| fake. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And Rowdy Roddy Piper is like, can you imagine what they can do now if they did that then? | ||
| They didn't have a Brunswick button. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| So what do you think now? | ||
| What was he saying about pop stars and stuff? | ||
| He's saying that that's how they distract the kids. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| These new pop stars come out and say dirty things. | ||
|
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Oh, I see. | |
| Which I'm like, hey dude, what did you do for a living? | ||
| For professional wrestling. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There's an element of it where it's like... | ||
| But I think Roddy is a guy who probably saw some pop star Illuminati videos. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| I think he's a guy who... | ||
| People with one eye covered. | ||
| Yeah, I'm surprised there wasn't that. | ||
| And it's funny too where... | ||
| Maybe he goes to VigilantCitizen.com. | ||
| Guys who were so wild back in the day are now like, you know, they've got these pop stars out there telling kids it's alright to have premarital sex. | ||
| It's like, oh yeah, like the thing you did forever? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, with minors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe not Rowdy Roddy Piper, but... | ||
| No, never. | ||
| Never the hot rod. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Hot rod always checked IDs. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex and Roddy talk about like... | ||
| They've gotten into a bit of a conversation where they're like... | ||
| But nothing's really been said yet. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| With this interview. | ||
|
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Well, yeah. | |
| They're both kind of not on the same page. | ||
| No, I've cut out almost all of Alex just being like, oh my god, they live is so amazing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like fanboying about... | ||
| Tell me all about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then there are some things that have been said. | ||
| We didn't know... | ||
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We didn't know that Rowdy Roddy Piper was a fucking info warrior. | |
| I didn't know that. | ||
| That's one thing that was said. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Because Roddy Piper's a big influence on Ronda Rousey. | ||
| What did she say that was a little off? | ||
| Well, she got some heat because she didn't want to fight that trans MMA fighter. | ||
| Cyborg. | ||
| Yeah, and she said that she wasn't... | ||
| I don't remember the exact quotes, and I don't want to get this wrong, but from my understanding, there was some denial of her identity. | ||
| The other thing is she's like an anti-vaxxer and maybe a Sandy Hook truther. | ||
| But besides that, she's a fantastic professional wrestler and she's really doing great. | ||
| I'm not sure if she walked some of that back, though. | ||
| I think that some of the Sandy Hook stuff she's walked back. | ||
| She seems like she's very dumb. | ||
| Like, unfortunately. | ||
| Because I think Enzo and Big Cass, both big Trumpers, have been shown the door. | ||
| Well, for other reasons. | ||
| For other reasons. | ||
| But they've been shown the door. | ||
| I mean, with Big Cass, it was the nipples. | ||
| That was the issue with him, right? | ||
| As I understand. | ||
| It was funny because I was looking at our previous text and I was like, why do I have this picture of Big Cass with these giant fake titties? | ||
| I love that. | ||
| For those of you out there who don't have access to our text chain, I texted Marty on his birthday to tell him that for his birthday I got Big Cass fired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I sent him a photo of Big Cass with this giant nipples. | ||
| This guy on Twitter would always do Big Cass with these gigantic nipples. | ||
| And plump breasts. | ||
| Very gross, which is why I didn't respond. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| I don't think necessarily... | ||
| I don't know all of Rousey's issues. | ||
| This is kind of like the new... | ||
| For me, this is kind of like when you hear an actor or musician you like as a Scientologist. | ||
| You're kind of like, aw, man. | ||
| Yeah, I had that with Jason Lee when I was like 19 or so. | ||
| He's out, baby! | ||
| He's out of the church? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, that's good to know. | ||
| He lives in Texas now. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| Lives on a farm. | ||
| They change his kid's name. | ||
| Does his thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What's his kid's name? | ||
| Pilot Inspector. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| I get the Scientology channel. | ||
| We get DirecTV. | ||
| There's a channel? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We get DirecTV. | ||
| You would think that they wouldn't want to allow that on the DirecTV. | ||
| They're in. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They probably pay him big money for it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Direct TV has a tremendous amount of infomercials. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| All the, like, brokered programming. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And it's like, get a slim waste in 30 days! | ||
| Well, because to a certain extent, probably because of how they work, they almost have infinite channels that they could broadcast on. | ||
| So why not fill it up with tons of... | ||
| And we get it for free. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we signed up for an internet or something? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's not going to be free later. | ||
| No. | ||
| Six months from now, you're going to get fleeced with a huge bill. | ||
| Well, it's the only way I can watch live PD. | ||
| The police department? | ||
| I watch live PD so much. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| There's a show on AME called Live PD. | ||
| Police Department? | ||
| 24. They're live on the scene. | ||
| It's cops, but live. | ||
| No. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| No. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| I've got to come over. | ||
| You've never heard of Live PD, Dan? | ||
|
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No. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That's like... | ||
|
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That is... | |
| Dan. | ||
| No. | ||
| Marty, that's the evolution of weirdos sitting around listening to police gamers. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I knew a bunch of those guys when I was... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| My first house that I lived in. | ||
| I had it. | ||
| I had it. | ||
| I didn't have one, but I remember what my friend did, a police scanner. | ||
| I remember listening and just being like, this is amazing. | ||
| My neighbor in my first house, Dean and Ed, these two old guys, one of them was a Vietnam vet and the other had stolen valor all day long. | ||
| Which I also watching on YouTube. | ||
| So I would go over to their house and Dean lost his arm. | ||
| He was a one-armed man. | ||
| Left it in Nam? | ||
| See, he made me think that for a really long time. | ||
| Turns out he left it at the factory. | ||
| Well, see, he would always talk about how bad it was in Nam, and I believe it absolutely was. | ||
| But he never told me how he lost his arm until like six months into us hanging out. | ||
| And it turns out it was after he got back stateside. | ||
| He had a DUI. | ||
| He crashed his car and lost his arm. | ||
| The whole time I thought he had lost it in Nam, but who cares? | ||
| So you got a purple heart? | ||
| That's what that one guy would say to him. | ||
| You got a purple heart, then you lost a limb. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| The other guy, the stolen valor. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| He couldn't talk, barely. | ||
| Ed was a disaster. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| So I would go over to their house, and it was a thing where, at the time, I was selling weed. | ||
|
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Yeah, hell yeah. | |
| My early days in college. | ||
|
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Hell yeah. | |
| And so I had tons of weed, and just like, a lot of the time, my friends were in school or at jobs, and I didn't have anyone to hang out with, and Dean and Ed... | ||
| We're over there hanging out. | ||
| And Dean would be like, hey, you want to... | ||
| If you bring over some weed... | ||
| All right, Dean. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| So I'd bring over weed. | ||
| He'd roll up some blunts. | ||
| And we'd sit around and smoke weed. | ||
| And he'd tell me about Nam. | ||
| And also, he always would be intently listening to the police scanner. | ||
| And I fucking enjoyed the shit out of it. | ||
| Although it was Columbia, Missouri, where there were no crimes happening. | ||
| So it was a boring-ass police scanner. | ||
| I'm trying to think if they're in Missouri. | ||
| They might be in Missouri. | ||
| They're all over the place. | ||
| But watching it live? | ||
| Oh yeah, they have eight police departments throughout the country and they check in. | ||
| Let's go back to that man who was pulled over. | ||
| It's all black people too. | ||
| Sometimes you feel bad. | ||
| Although, we were watching the other night. | ||
| That's systematic based on who the police departments are targeting. | ||
| We were watching the other night and we're like, they clearly are like, we gotta get some white people on here. | ||
| It was crazy white people night. | ||
| It was so fun. | ||
| Is it 24 hours? | ||
| No. | ||
| So what happened? | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| If it was... | ||
| If it was, I would get DirecTV right now. | ||
| First of all, we need to find you somebody who has a Sling membership. | ||
| SlingTV. | ||
| Oh, dude! | ||
| I actually auditioned for a voiceover at the commercial for SlingTV. | ||
| I was like, why do I know that name? | ||
| Oh, it's because I did a bunch of takes. | ||
| Here's what you need to do. | ||
| With DirecTV, I put LivePD on the DVR. | ||
| There's a LivePD Rewind. | ||
| And a live PD, another one. | ||
| A&E is going so in on this. | ||
| I honestly feel like this live PD has the potential to overcome baggage as the best thing on television. | ||
| Sarah and I watch it so much. | ||
| So Friday and Saturday night... | ||
| You know what needs to happen? | ||
| I need to come over and watch it with you guys. | ||
| Dude, for sure. | ||
| I would love you to come over and watch it. | ||
| I haven't seen your new place yet. | ||
| Now this is just turning us to hang out. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| Apparently... | ||
| People don't have their IDs on them. | ||
| They just don't have IDs. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| And they're always like, well, now I'm going to search you because you don't have your ID on you. | ||
| Well, that becomes probable cause. | ||
| Or they're like, well, who are you? | ||
| Let me get your name. | ||
| And a lot of times it's this one. | ||
| Like, pretend you're the cop and I'll be like the criminal guy. | ||
| Can I see your ID? | ||
| I don't have it. | ||
| Is it at your house? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Okay, what's your name? | ||
| That took you a while. | ||
| Marty. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| That took you a little bit too long. | ||
| A little suspicious. | ||
| I didn't hear you. | ||
| It's Marty. | ||
| What's your last name? | ||
| Why do you need my last name? | ||
| I don't understand why you need my last name. | ||
| Is Marty your Christian name? | ||
| Or the guy goes, when's your birthday? | ||
| This guy goes, when's your birthday? | ||
| And he's like, 9755. | ||
| And he's like, how old would that make you? | ||
| And the guy's like, shit. | ||
| And they always do the, hey man, you be honest with me, it goes a long way. | ||
| You got anything in the car? | ||
| And they're like, no. | ||
| That means something's in the car. | ||
| Grenade launcher, guns in the car. | ||
| See, it's interesting, because it's live, it's not live, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, some of it's pre-recorded, but a lot of it's live. | ||
| Live-ish. | ||
| It's live to tape or whatever, but it's not like the show is happening live. | ||
| It's live. | ||
| It can't be. | ||
| Dan, it's live. | ||
| Because it would have to be so boring for most of it. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| They know how to jump around and stuff. | ||
| And some of it is boring. | ||
| That's why you watch the Rewind. | ||
| That's when it really packs it in. | ||
| There was this guy who was evading the cops in a pickup truck. | ||
| This guy was such a good driver. | ||
| It was like Dukes of Hazzard. | ||
| Like, this fucking guy. | ||
| They have the cops mic'd up and they're like, look at him drive. | ||
| They had a canine cop and the dog was just like, roar! | ||
| The dog wanted, oh, these dogs too. | ||
| These dogs are the real stars of the show. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| This dog wanted to bite this guy so bad. | ||
| It's like the cop version of the puppy bowl. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And the guy, passengers got his hands out the window the whole time like, I'm not done with this. | ||
| I'm not done with this. | ||
| I just got in the wrong car. | ||
| I always told Sarah, I told Sarah, I go, if we're ever in this situation, just say that I forced you to... | ||
| Just put your hands out the car window. | ||
| Just add another charge to me. | ||
| Kidnapping. | ||
| And this guy was just like, dude, because the cops do that one bump move where they get you in the back bumper and you flip around. | ||
| The J-turn. | ||
| Couldn't do it. | ||
| They couldn't bump this guy. | ||
| And then they threw the tracks out. | ||
| Because he knew that was coming. | ||
| He was evading it. | ||
| They threw the tracks out and he just fucking turned on the wrong... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Goddammit, I really want to watch the show now. | ||
| If you guys are part of Live PD Nation, give me a hell yeah. | ||
| They call the fans Live PD Nation. | ||
| And I notice a lot of people on Twitter that I follow and follow me, everyone's tweeting about it. | ||
| See, this is this interesting thing that I'm experiencing now as someone who's just completely out of it. | ||
| There are shows like that that are like... | ||
| That is exactly what I want to watch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had no idea it existed until a minute ago. | ||
| It's waiting for you, baby. | ||
| There are times where I feel bad because it's all mostly poor and mostly minorities. | ||
| But I mean, it's the same thing as Cops ever was. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I will say that there's sort of a... | ||
| I think there's kind of a gross voyeurism that is being exploited by us by enjoying those shows. | ||
| And protected. | ||
| But I think it's the same way that almost all of those shows are, like My Strange Addiction or Hoarders. | ||
| Yeah, any of those shows you watch and it's like this train wreck of... | ||
| Sarah and I watched Hoarders for a little bit and we're like... | ||
| This is kind of wild to watch. | ||
| And then it just got sad. | ||
| We can't watch it anymore. | ||
| And then the other day I go, let's just watch it for a second and see if we see anything on here that's interesting. | ||
| And then they just lifted up a couch and pulled out a dead cat that was as hard as a book. | ||
| And they're like, hey, we got a dead cat! | ||
| And we're like, we're turning it off. | ||
| But the difference with those is the horror is this how do people live in this sort of world. | ||
| And then with the cop stuff, the horror is the... | ||
| Presumably the protagonists of the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, the cops are the characters of the show, and they're the bad ones. | ||
| So you're watching it, and you're like, oh my god, you're seeing all these people get arrested in really fucked up situations, and often... | ||
| Live PD is usually pretty good PR for cops. | ||
| It shines them in a pretty positive light. | ||
| Well, with editing... | ||
| But every once in a while... | ||
| You can make all the criminals... | ||
| Every once in a while, you're like, well, what? | ||
| This one, I'm still baffled. | ||
| But there's so many people who are, like... | ||
| They pull this guy over. | ||
| They pull this guy over. | ||
| They're in, like, a border town. | ||
| So, like, from, like, Indiana to Illinois or something like that. | ||
| Oh, not, like, a Mexican border. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| So, although they have that on there, too. | ||
| When you say border town, I think of, like, Juarez. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| So, because I grew up in Indiana, and in Indiana, you only had to have a back license plate. | ||
| Illinois, you got to have a front-hand back. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They pull this guy over, hypothetically, in Illinois. | ||
| And he had an Indiana plate. | ||
| And he's like, why'd you pull me over? | ||
| He goes, you don't have a front plate. | ||
| And he's like, I live in Indiana. | ||
| I don't have to have a front plate. | ||
| And he goes, in Illinois, you need a front plate. | ||
| And he searched them and found a bunch of drugs. | ||
| And I was like, wow, that didn't seem fair. | ||
| But I just saw in the news in Minnesota, they busted these guys with like hundreds of pounds of weed. | ||
| But the judge threw it out because they pulled them over under illegal circumstances. | ||
| I bet he didn't get the pot back. | ||
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No. | |
| That's what's bullshit about it. | ||
| You should still have that pot. | ||
| Listen, we're going to give back to you, and we're going to turn around. | ||
| You've got ten minutes to get out of here. | ||
| I think that's exactly what they should do. | ||
| We pulled you over under false pretenses. | ||
| Now we have to create exactly the scenario you were in before we stopped you. | ||
| I love a good, fun bust on Life PD, like when they bust a guy with a prostitute, and the guy's like, that's my wife, and they separate him. | ||
| How's that good? | ||
| And they go, because it's harmless. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| No one's getting harmed. | ||
| Everyone's getting harmed. | ||
| And he goes, what's her name? | ||
| And he goes, I don't know. | ||
| He goes, that's your wife. | ||
| I thought you said... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| Shotgun wedding. | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Maybe I was wrong. | ||
| I feel like there's a lot of harm there. | ||
| You're jamming up sex workers. | ||
|
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I mean, not no harm. | |
| Not no harm. | ||
| But you know what I mean. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's good, clean fun. | ||
| Good, clean fun. | ||
| Everyone's just having fun. | ||
| Yeah, live PD. | ||
| I'm so happy you're going to get on the live PD. | ||
| We're going to set a date. | ||
| I'm coming over to watch. | ||
| Because I haven't seen Sarah in a while. | ||
| Here's what you do. | ||
| Come over on a Saturday. | ||
| That way Friday is recorded. | ||
| We'll let Saturday get recorded. | ||
| We'll watch Friday's episode. | ||
| What are you doing next week? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| That's why I love it, because I always have the stuff recorded. | ||
| Cancel your gigs. | ||
| I'm coming over on Saturday. | ||
|
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You know what? | |
| Let's do it. | ||
| I'll deputize you. | ||
| I'll make you a member of LiveTDNation. | ||
| Alright, sounds good. | ||
| And then our next episode will just be a thorough review. | ||
| I thought you would be like, how could you watch this? | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| I hate the police and all that. | ||
| I think systematically they're a problem. | ||
| The idea of watching it live does trigger that. | ||
| Like I said, the same thing about listening to the police scanners when you're younger. | ||
| That sort of thing is very riveting. | ||
| But the only thing that I'm against is the excitement and fetishizing the cops doing things. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think entertainment value is fine in that, but the idea of, like, get them. | ||
| That sort of thing, that impulse, because I think some people have that. | ||
| I think some people watch cop shows and they're like, take them down. | ||
| And I think that is ugly. | ||
| That's gross. | ||
| I remember one time I was watching an old-ass cops. | ||
| This was one of the first, probably four or five years, cops was in its existence. | ||
| They didn't have the formula down for a while. | ||
| And one time they just parked a semi in a clearly black neighborhood. | ||
| A poor black neighborhood. | ||
| They parked a giant semi, and they left it unlocked, and the driver was like, oh, it's not working. | ||
| I'm going to walk away. | ||
| And then people would open the doors and be like, oh, shit. | ||
| There's VCRs and TVs. | ||
| And then they would grab them, and then the cops were in the back of the semi, and they would come out and arrest people. | ||
| I'm like, that's fucked up. | ||
| And those charges would never stick. | ||
| They're just doing that to humiliate people. | ||
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Yeah, that was fucked up. | |
| They would never fly in court. | ||
| But also, let me say this. | ||
| If I were in that neighborhood, I probably wouldn't steal a VCR, but if I saw a semi with the thing open, there's no fucking way I wouldn't look inside there. | ||
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I know, I know. | |
| There's no way! | ||
| I do like on Live PD where sometimes you realize stuff you can get away with and stuff that's not a good... | ||
| They're just like, look, if sometimes someone's walking down the street and they're just being real weird, there's no crime against being weird. | ||
| Or if they're in their house, one time they're just like, my husband's just real drunk, can you please just come by? | ||
| And they're like, Has he put his hands on you? | ||
| And they're like, no, he's just really drunk. | ||
| And this one guy was just like, what are you doing in my house? | ||
| And they're just like, look, man, you gotta just go to bed. | ||
| And it's like so fun of like, sometimes a cop's job is just to go to a house and be like, Dan, go to bed. | ||
| He goes, what time do you have to work tomorrow? | ||
| And the guy goes, 7.30 in the morning. | ||
| And he goes, you're never gonna make it. | ||
| And he goes, I guarantee I make it to work. | ||
| I guarantee it. | ||
| See, I'd love to watch that. | ||
| I know, and it's so fun. | ||
| But not because that guy who's drunk is a shithead, but because that scenario is hilarious. | ||
|
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It's adorable. | |
| It's adorable. | ||
| Or they're like, you've got to go to bed. | ||
| And he goes, I ain't going to bed. | ||
|
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You go to bed. | |
| Your job is to try and give good advice. | ||
| Or one lady had smoked meth, and she swore her boyfriend was under the floor. | ||
| Her ex who cheated on her was under the floor. | ||
| And the cops go, yeah, this happens a lot with these people who do meth. | ||
| They think people are in the floorboards or in the walls. | ||
| It's a very common delusion. | ||
| And then at one point an ambulance just showed up and she just goes, alright. | ||
| And she just got in the ambulance and they took off. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| They got saline drips in there. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Sounds good. | ||
| Now, the only thing I would say, and I think this is an important point to make, is that most of these people who are having these drunk, delightful experiences with the cops are white. | ||
| And the people who... | ||
| No, not always. | ||
| But I imagine a lot of the time... | ||
| A charismatic black guy can go a long way on Live PD. | ||
| A charismatic black guy, and they're just like, this guy's a treasure. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
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Well... | |
| I would say that the number of times black people get jammed up and killed by the police, that's not going to be on Live PD. | ||
| You do see a lot of... | ||
| See, here's the thing with Live PD, and I'm not defending cops shooting people who should not be shot for any reason, but you do sometimes from watching Live PD, you see some of the stress and the pressure of that job. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| Some people are doing some real shady shit, and they're just like, yo, man, what are you doing? | ||
|
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Right. | |
| I understand that, but there's no way you don't think that's what you're signing up for as a cop. | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| For sure. | ||
| I know. | ||
| If you can't handle that with aplomb, then don't fucking do it. | ||
| But I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm just saying there are times where you see people, and they'll say to them, they're like, look, man, if I was a different cop, you might have gotten shot here. | ||
| I know what I'm doing. | ||
| I've been doing this for 20 years. | ||
| What to do. | ||
| But shit, man. | ||
| Like, dude, I almost had to shoot you. | ||
| One guy just came running at them going, shoot me! | ||
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Shoot me! | |
| In that case, you probably should shoot him. | ||
| And they shot him with a taser, but they're like, dude, you can't do that! | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| I love the idea of a post-game after that, just sitting with him. | ||
| I love it! | ||
| Hey, man, look, I saw you running at me saying, shoot me. | ||
| I just want to tell you, you can't do that. | ||
| Someone will shoot you. | ||
| I love afterwards when they talk, and they're like, look, man. | ||
| That's like that moment with like on Dog Bounty Hunter all the time after he'd catch him and like sitting down with him talking like a new cigarette. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, hey, man, be cool. | ||
| Everything's all right. | ||
| We got you. | ||
| Everything's calm now. | ||
| There's some cops where I'll tell Sarah because after a while you start to recognize the cops because they follow the same ones over and over again. | ||
| And there's some I'm like, oh, this guy's so good at talking to people afterwards. | ||
| He's like, man, what were you doing? | ||
| There's this black guy who's like such a good cop. | ||
| He's like, what were you doing? | ||
| And like, I don't know. | ||
| And he's like. | ||
| Did you think you were going to get away? | ||
| And they're like, yeah, I thought I was going to get away. | ||
| He's like, once I hopped that fence, I thought I'd be out of here, but I didn't know you had a dog. | ||
| Those cops are the ones that are trying to transition into a secondary career. | ||
| Steve Welco or whatever the Jerry Springer guy was. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Trying to get their own show. | ||
| He goes, ah, man, I didn't know you had a dog. | ||
| I would have outran you guys, but the dog, fuck. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, so we're so far off. | ||
| Back to Roddy Roddy Piper. | ||
| So it's interesting, actually, that we've been talking about this cop show for as long as we have. | ||
|
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Live PD. | |
| Because, in this next clip, Alex, after, like I said, a long while back, Alex and Piper have been having a conversation about, like, why does everybody else not see through this stuff, but we do? | ||
| Why are we the only ones with glasses? | ||
| Not Rod. | ||
| Rowdy, Roddy Piper. | ||
| And Alex suggests that it's something that might show up on. | ||
| Live PD possibly. | ||
| mushrooms. | ||
|
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And I think you just answered my question there that I said at the beginning of the break and I was going to reintroduce. | |
| What makes those of us that are immune or resistant to the programming? | ||
| And I think it's that we grew up as individuals and we grew up and had a brush with the streets. | ||
| I grew up in a middle class area, but for whatever reason, there was a lot of fights, a lot of corrupt police, government drug dealing, a lot of police running hookers, you name it. | ||
| And I grew up You know, watching this going on in my neighborhood and then watching the same cops give speeches against drug use at school and I called them out and they threatened to kill me and stuff. | ||
| But I think that was kind of my wake up was I put the sunglasses on because I saw the other side and saw how naive everybody is and I think you said it best. | ||
| They want to get the youth, dumb them down, make it all a bunch of political correctness to where the kids don't even know how to make a sandwich. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Kids know how to make sandwiches. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| A cop busted Alex and his friends one time and emasculated Alex. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's even talked about the time that a Nazi cop pulled him over and let him go because he was white. | ||
| He talked about that. | ||
| He started a clip one time talking about, like, I've never seen white racism. | ||
| And then went into a story about how him and his buddies were underage with beer in the car, driving back from a party at the beach or something like that. | ||
|
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But that was Texas. | |
| It was a different time. | ||
| And then this cop pulls him over with a Nazi tattoo on his arm and sees that they're white and is like, you kids have a good night. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I'm like, Alex, you just described very clear white racism just because it didn't hurt a black person. | ||
| Is he anti-cop again? | ||
| No, he's anti-cop. | ||
| Back then. | ||
| So he's talking about this corruption that he experienced when he was a kid. | ||
| I called him out and they threatened to kill me. | ||
| I don't believe any of that stuff. | ||
| Again, Rockwall, Texas. | ||
| 3,100 people. | ||
| I don't think they had that kind of organized network. | ||
| Was his dad in the CIA or something? | ||
| No, that's all bullshit. | ||
| I did a bunch of research into his dad recently. | ||
| There's no evidence that his dad was ever involved in any... | ||
| CIA, FBI, anything like that. | ||
| He's been a dentist since 1980-something. | ||
| No, longer than that. | ||
| That's where they put the chips in. | ||
| He claims that he was a dentist to some CIA agents, and that's sort of the closest you can get to anything substantial. | ||
| Oh, Alex. | ||
| When the parents turn on these guys, that's when you know. | ||
| It's like, oh man. | ||
| His dad is his HR rep. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| His dad runs the Human Resources Department. | ||
| Oh, you did the research that his dad wasn't what he said he was. | ||
| No, his dad runs Human Resources at Infowars. | ||
| We know that because two employees have sued him for EEOC complaints, and his dad had to go on record as the person who runs the human resources department, and he said, hey, look, it's a locker room here. | ||
| It's a yeasty environment. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Locker room talk, baby. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Lock her up room talk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sometimes Rob Do says the N-word. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's just Rob being Rob, baby. | ||
| I just think I don't believe any of this. | ||
| And I don't believe any of the stuff about his dad being in the CIA. | ||
| That's just stuff that the internet keeps repeating because they want to create this narrative. | ||
| That Alex Jones works for Mossad or Israel or the government or something like that, when in reality it's much simpler. | ||
| He's a two-bit con man who's also a white supremacist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That explains his entire career. | ||
| You don't need the intelligence agency. | ||
| Who's being used by... | ||
| Well, now the president. | ||
| The president, but Russia also, probably. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| I think that connection is much looser. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| I think that they... | ||
| What does Roger Stone... | ||
| What do you think Roger Stone thinks of Alex? | ||
| I think he thinks he's very stupid. | ||
| He's like, this guy's doing alright for himself. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| I think that when they met... | ||
| They met in 2013. | ||
| I think they met at a... | ||
| Well, I know they met at a JFK convention. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| Roger Stone probably immediately recognized a very competent person in Alex. | ||
| He's very talented. | ||
| But also that he's stupid and compromisable. | ||
| And I think that as the days wore on and Roger left Trump's campaign in order to do propaganda outside of it, I think he realized Alex is a perfect tool for that and went to work on him and realized it would be very easy to compromise him. | ||
| And who knows if it was money or just being like, hey, Trump's a white nationalist too. | ||
| He will further the goals that you want. | ||
| It's very clear that's what you're about. | ||
| Do you think that Stone's a white nationalist? | ||
| I think that he doesn't have principles. | ||
| I think that he's... | ||
| I think he's an anarchist. | ||
| I think he's a chaos agent. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| To the very definition. | ||
| Nihilist. | ||
| He's a nihilist. | ||
| I think based on the people he buddies up with, I don't think that... | ||
| I think it would be impossible to do that without being sympathetic to white nationalism and white supremacy. | ||
| But I don't know from... | ||
| There's such a trend of like, it seems like he's fucking around. | ||
| I feel like he just, like... | ||
| And I'm certain he's cut a deal, too. | ||
| We've talked about this a bit. | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's cut a deal. | ||
| What's he been saying lately? | ||
| I haven't been listening. | ||
| Oh, he's just doing the same stuff. | ||
| Blustery nonsense. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| The way the walls are closing in, and the way that he has to keep admitting, like, well, yes, of course, I did talk to that guy. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like, that sort of stuff. | ||
| I never said I didn't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a feeling of invulnerability that he has. | ||
| That I don't get from a lot of other people. | ||
| I got a sense, especially from watching that documentary with him, where he's just like, well, the Republicans didn't want me and fucked the Democrats, so fuck everybody. | ||
| I'm going to fuck all this shit up. | ||
| That's what I get from him. | ||
| Chaos. | ||
| Chaos, baby. | ||
| He's an agent of chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think he has any hard and fast alliances to nationalism, to Russia, to anything. | ||
| I think he's got an allegiance to getting freaky. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And also, he's in the same boat as Alex. | ||
| He's very competent. | ||
| As much as it pains anyone... | ||
| No, he's awesome at what he does. | ||
| Anyone in our boat hates to admit that sort of thing, but Alex is an amazing broadcaster. | ||
| I keep saying they need to study this guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's really good at propaganda. | ||
| I'm sure when he finally goes full against Trump and... | ||
| What do you want to know? | ||
| He's going to be like the guy in Catch Me If You Can where they'll be like, now he teaches people how to find the people who are running all the scams. | ||
| Whoever was the first mafioso to flip or whatever, he's the guy who's like, this is what's really going on. | ||
| I don't think it'll ever come to that because I don't think you need that kind of information. | ||
| Do you think he's going to go to prison? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think he's got a deal. | ||
| I'm almost certain he's got a deal. | ||
| Part of the deal is probably that I can't... | ||
| I'm going to cut this deal, but part of the deal is no one can know I cut this deal. | ||
| I'm going to disappear to Argentina. | ||
| I'm going to be doing a podcast from... | ||
| Someone keeps pointing out, not just someone, it keeps getting pointed out that whenever shit gets really hot, Roger ends up showing up on Infowars, like in studio. | ||
|
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In Texas? | |
| It's like, might want to be close to the border. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Just slip away. | ||
| He seems like the kind of guy in a movie who's wearing a white suit with a white fedora and he just disappears into a crowd. | ||
| Into a crowd. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Like the end of that Silence of the Lambs sequel. | ||
| You can't be like... | ||
| He was known as a fucking shithead pot stirrer 30 years ago. | ||
| You can't survive this long without being like... | ||
| Having exit strategies without having an idea of what's going to happen. | ||
| He's never been this much of a marquee player in the things that are happening. | ||
| Politically. | ||
| And I don't think that he wouldn't have an exit strategy. | ||
| Or have enough dirt. | ||
| Or he's got enough dirt on people. | ||
| I'm sure he's like, hey man, looks like I'm going to go down for some of this stuff. | ||
| So, you politician. | ||
| We're probably going to have to put in a good word for me. | ||
| Otherwise, I'd hate to let people know that me and my wife fucked you and your wife or something. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| So, at this point, they go to calls. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We got Piper. | ||
| We got Alex Jones. | ||
| Roddy, big fan. | ||
| We got Sean Stone, who's been silent most of this time, just sitting there in the camera with Roddy Piper, just being like, hey, I'm friends with this guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so they take calls. | ||
| And this first call... | ||
| It's interesting because, like I said, I cut out most of the times that Alex is just geeking out about They Live, but they are talking in this call about they, the they of They Live. | ||
| And this caller kind of gets where Alex is coming from. | ||
| I want to take some phone calls. | ||
| Rowdy, you ready to take some calls? | ||
| You betcha. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's go to Will in Georgia. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Also, really quick, I want to just be clear, Alex keeps calling him Rowdy. | ||
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Rowdy. | |
| As if Rowdy is his first name. | ||
| Like, Rowdy, let's do this. | ||
| And it's very much like, come on, man. | ||
| With the legendary star of They Live. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Thanks, Alex. | |
| That's a great movie, Rowdy. | ||
| You did a good job. | ||
| It's a true ministry. | ||
| On the They Live, I actually married into the They part of They Live, the control of the New York, L.A., Sodom and Gomorrah axis, Hollywood, Babylon. | ||
| And they taught my kids every morning on Saturday during worship services that everybody wasn't part of their tribe, was subhuman animals, cattle, just like I said in the movie. | ||
| And they actually put that, I mean, the preacher, the rabbi, would tell them that your job growing up and from birth, they told them this, is to cheat, lie to, rob, enslave, and kill all the Gentiles. | ||
| All right, well, listen, do you have a specific question, sir? | ||
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Well, no, I mean, it's just... | |
| We're weak. | ||
| America is... | ||
| Our focus has to be on the creator, who's named the sovereign of the United States, the creator of the universe. | ||
| All right, well, listen, I appreciate your call. | ||
| We've got questions or comments for our guest. | ||
| We don't screen calls. | ||
| That is just a guy who's regurgitating the protocols of the elders of Zion and pretending that his children were taught that in some sort of synagogue or Sunday school because he's like, I married one of them and they are the Jews. | ||
| For Alex to pretend this isn't exactly what someone listening to my show would think, it's ludicrous. | ||
| Did you ever see that clip of Alex? | ||
| I think they played it on Sam Cedar's show. | ||
| Alex was at a bar. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| And that guy was like, I own InfoWars Records. | ||
| I want to make rap. | ||
| I want to do, like, rap. | ||
| And he goes, hey. | ||
| Cool, all right. | ||
| Alex fucking pounds the beer. | ||
| Let me buy your drink. | ||
| Alex pounds the beer. | ||
| I'm going to get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It's like, Alex, these are your fans. | ||
| These are the people who you've been helping create. | ||
| No, but also, I totally think that was the right thing to do. | ||
| Get out of there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, I get that, but, like, he knows that. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| He hates his fans. | ||
| You know these are your fans. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Listen, man, that's the thing with Trump when he's at those rallies. | ||
| He must be like, get me the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You have people who are just like, I have created a thing. | ||
| I will deny the consequences of it. | ||
| I will escape it at every possible turn. | ||
| I think that some of that is unavoidable to some extent. | ||
| I think that no matter what, if you have a fan base, there are going to be some people in it that are like... | ||
| But I think that it's probably 80% of Alex Jones' fan base is like... | ||
| Let's not talk to that guy. | ||
| Rarely, yeah, will he meet somebody who's like, oh my god, Alex, I'm such a huge fan of yours. | ||
| I'm crazy seeing you in this airport bar, you know, we're in the VIP club. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I mean, we've met a couple people who have, like, Keegan and John, or a couple listeners who have come to Chicago. | ||
| I've gone and got some drinks with them. | ||
| And then when we were down in Austin, both of them were there. | ||
| And other folks, I don't want to name everybody because I forget some, but Heather and Mike and Chris. | ||
| I met all these people and I didn't think anybody was a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Real monster or anything. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I've met a bunch of people, and I'm very happy to have drinks with them. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I don't think there's ever an instance where Alex... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I see what you're writing there. | ||
|
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Don't... | |
| Most of them are cool people. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex... | ||
|
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But that... | |
| When there was that video... | ||
| Marty was just writing on a piece of paper the code name of someone that... | ||
|
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We met a possible problematic. | |
| An apostle of Alex. | ||
| But I will say, watching that video was just like, yes, this is what you've created. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| This kid. | ||
| And you're unwilling to deal with it. | ||
| What's your point? | ||
| What's your question? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If someone were to come up to me like that... | ||
| And it were like an accurate representation. | ||
| What if a guy just went, Dan, thanks for opening my eyes to these Jews taking over the world. | ||
| I would talk to them for a bit and hope that I could correct some of those perceptions. | ||
| You listen to Alex, so I don't have to. | ||
| Thanks for cutting out and just getting me to know his message. | ||
| Well, I would sincerely try to see where the disconnect was and see what they weren't understanding. | ||
| And if it weren't possible, I would say, please reconsider a lot of this stuff. | ||
| There's nothing I can do. | ||
| Maybe you should stop listening to my show or something like that. | ||
| I don't think you're... | ||
| You might not get it. | ||
| But, I don't know. | ||
| But thank you for your Patreon donations. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| So this caller, this first one, clearly thinks it's the Jews. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But Rowdy Roddy Piper. | ||
| Zion, baby. | ||
| Piper has a slightly different take on it. | ||
|
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Alex, I was going to ask. | |
| Actually, I wanted to ask Rowdy that because, you know. | ||
| This is Sean Stone finally talking. | ||
| Trying to help things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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I'm really curious to know where that story came from, because Carpenter wrote it, and I mean, in your interaction with him, I'm sure you came across some interesting discussions as to what he thought, who they really are, and does he really believe that they are aliens? | |
| Yeah, who is they? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| At that time in 88, I think it came out in 88, they was the propaganda the world was shoving down our throats. | ||
| But John and I, we talked a lot before we made this movie. | ||
| I took it real serious. | ||
| John Carpenter's a cool dude. | ||
| I don't want to speak for John, but just the way I remember it is, again, I don't think that we're the only living source of energy in the universe by many means at all. | ||
| And there's big committees right now getting together and saying, talking about people, or excuse me, things from other planets, aliens, whatever you want to call them, tall whites, grays, reptiles. | ||
| And we weren't that detailed with it, but John and I both agreed that we don't think that we're alone in the universe. | ||
| And I think that, and I ran across a doctor friend of mine who didn't agree with me at all. | ||
| And I found that amazing. | ||
| An educated man like that would not see that far. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Maybe I'm the crazy one. | ||
| I don't know there. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So it's aliens. | ||
| It's literal aliens. | ||
| So yes, your hip replacement was successful. | ||
| Also, I don't believe aliens exist. | ||
| And I'm crazy? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Just go to check out. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| So one caller is like, it's the Jews. | ||
| It's clearly the Jews. | ||
| And then, you know... | ||
| Stone is trying to fix this a little bit. | ||
| Who are they? | ||
| Well, I believe it's literal aliens. | ||
|
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Well, you saw their blue faces. | |
| Why did you just draw a star there? | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| Bored. | ||
| Just doodling a little? | ||
| I'm a doodle. | ||
| My ADD. | ||
| I thought that was some trigger in your brain. | ||
| I also was on RoboCop. | ||
| That's another example of the first movie. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Second one, they're reaching a little bit. | ||
| Some of those commercials. | ||
| The remakes are terrible. | ||
| No, not the remake. | ||
| RoboCop 2. But I thought the remake was pretty bad, too. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Well, the first one was so... | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, Marty, we've come to the last clip. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The main event, if you will. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think the main event is the opening. | ||
| Just the revelation that Rowdy Piper was on InfoWars, which is such a bummer. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's such a bummer all around, but it happens over and over again. | ||
| Like, Gore Vidal was on InfoWars. | ||
| You know, like I said, Henry Rollins is on. | ||
| Not so much of a disappointment to any of us that Billy Corgan's been on a bunch of times. | ||
| Yeah, or a surprise. | ||
| And Jesse Ventura, not really a disappointment, because whenever he comes on, he argues with Alex and tells him he's stupid. | ||
| I like Jesse a lot. | ||
| Yeah, because he's always like, Alex, you make no sense. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| I like when Jesse's on and Alex will throw something at him and he'll just completely be like, nah, nah, that's not a thing. | ||
| Alex, here's why you're wrong. | ||
| I don't do great impressions. | ||
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No. | |
| But also, I've noticed, like, if you listen carefully to a lot of the, like, Piper, there's a number of, like, sounds that he makes that are very Ventura. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, the two of them have some similar vocal patterns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| They're all just dudes from Minnesota. | ||
| He's playing out even from Canada or via Scotland. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| He's probably all from Canada. | ||
| Is he really from Scotland, though? | ||
| No, he's from Canada. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So in this last clip, a caller calls in to ask about aliens. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And Roddy Roddy Piper has an interesting response. | ||
| Real fast callers, you've got quick questions. | ||
| Ryan in Missouri, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
|
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Hey, gentlemen. | |
| They had the underground tunnel system, underground base system. | ||
| My question is, some people think that Denver International is like some super secret base, spaceport, whatever you guys want to call it. | ||
| Well, there's giant underground bases everywhere, yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah, so I mean, I guess my question is, do you think it's, you know, like the movie, they say it's almost like aliens. | |
| I mean, I guess Rowdy already answered that, but does he think that, you know, does he put two and two together like that? | ||
| I know exactly what you're talking about in Denver, and that they had a huge portrait from, like, the Holocaust to chemical weapons, and then they took the picture down. | ||
| So I understand what you're saying. | ||
| Again, they, you need to stand up against they, and I, yes. | ||
| Yes, the answer. | ||
| Coming into that tunnel, it's like where the Illuminati have their meetings. | ||
| Oh, Rod. | ||
| Roddy. | ||
|
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He's hooked. | |
| He's me, 2012. | ||
|
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Roddy. | |
| Rod's me, 2012. | ||
| Oh, Roddy. | ||
| This is so disappointing. | ||
| He watches a lot of videos. | ||
| It seems like maybe a lot of YouTube information. | ||
|
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I just learned how to use the YouTube machines and I'm on there just getting all the information. | |
| I'm smoking my medicinal marijuana. | ||
|
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All these nice boys are sending me links to watch stuff. | |
| I'm very scared of that blue horse. | ||
| Taking it down. | ||
| So it's interesting that... | ||
| We're taking the blue horse down. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Oh, we're going to miss Blucifer. | ||
| I think it's like the time is up or it was supposed to be up. | ||
| Whatever the lease was. | ||
| Well, that's fine. | ||
| It was a faulty construction to begin with. | ||
| Murderous horse. | ||
| Killed its maker. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| As you and I know, because we did an episode about this. | ||
| We cracked the case. | ||
| We've looked deeply into the Denver airport and that mural is very specifically not Nazi in nature. | ||
| It's a part of a series of murals. | ||
| That lead from a horrible situation into a positive view for the future. | ||
| The children. | ||
| And the guy who made the murals has a whole backstory. | ||
| All of this you can find by donating to our podcast. | ||
| You can go to knowledgefight.com, click and support the show, and then you get a password to a secret section of knowledgefight.com. | ||
| A secret underground portal that you can go down there. | ||
| Right, where our conspiracy shows live. | ||
| A lot of locker room talk. | ||
| It's such bullshit, man. | ||
| It's really disappointing. | ||
| For someone who's not a monster, like Rowdy Roddy Piper... | ||
| You hope that they would be the sort of person who wouldn't offer these things up without being prompted. | ||
| If he's on the show and Alex brings it up and he's like, oh, that's weird. | ||
| That's kind of different. | ||
| But for him to be sitting there and then unprompted be like, there's Nazi things at the Denver airport. | ||
| Also, the Brunswick affair is real. | ||
| The New World Order is happening. | ||
| All this stuff, it's like, man, that sucks. | ||
| Come on, Rod. | ||
| I mean, he still was... | ||
| You know, presumably a very decent guy, and it's sad that he's passed. | ||
| A lot of wrestlers, actors, guys who have traveled the world, they're always... | ||
| I just think people have got hit a lot. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm talking about guys who have traveled the world. | ||
| These people have traveled the world. | ||
| They always have these stories about... | ||
| I was in an airport, and I talked to this weatherman from Dallas. | ||
| He told me... | ||
| We see UFOs all the time. | ||
| We have these weird people who talk to them, and they're like, and I thought the same thing. | ||
| I thought, this guy's crazy. | ||
| But the more I talked to him, the more I knew this guy knows what he's talking about. | ||
| Coming back from Austin, I sat next to a lady on the plane. | ||
| It was a sweet lady. | ||
| I can't remember her name. | ||
| I feel bad about that, because we had a very nice conversation through most of the flight. | ||
| Like, it was only, like, a 40-minute flight to Houston or whatever to catch the connecting flight. | ||
| But we had a really nice conversation about how her brother is into a bunch of conspiracy stuff and they have bonfires where he does some, like... | ||
| There's some sort of, like, you know, maybe a little druidic acting out and stuff like that. | ||
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Fools! | |
| But I could pivot that into some sort of a, like, I met someone who's going to a pagan ritual in Houston or something like that if I wanted to. | ||
| That's what all of these conversations that you hear are. | ||
| They are misrepresentations. | ||
| We've covered it repeatedly with Alex, like, he's in a hot tub with a globalist or something like that. | ||
| He's on a plane with a globalist. | ||
| And I don't know exactly what episode you're talking about where you're just like, God, I wish I was, like, sitting next to Alex on a plane. | ||
| I would just fuck with him so bad. | ||
| But it happens all the time. | ||
| He has all these. | ||
| But they all have those stories of like, I met a dude. | ||
| You know, that's like your fucking Stan Hope or whatever. | ||
| Like, no, no, no. | ||
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One time I met this dude and he told me. | |
| It's like, okay, dude, sure. | ||
| I don't believe you. | ||
| Not you. | ||
| You were doing cocaine with another person. | ||
| Of course, you guys were telling weird stories. | ||
| You were fucked up. | ||
| I don't believe that anybody who we might like, like a Stan Hope or something like that, is in an airport and not severely fucked up. | ||
| Sure, and also a magnet for other fucked up people, just like Alex was in that video with that weird kid coming up to him being like, hey, I own InfoWars Records. | ||
| It doesn't exist in a vacuum. | ||
| You attract your own kind to some extent. | ||
| And if you are someone who's maybe a little bit weird having a conversation with someone like Alex, maybe you want to impress him a little bit and you start to lie about your credentials. | ||
| There's so many possibilities. | ||
| Because then it's the whole, like, well, I heard from this guy. | ||
| Well, why don't I just say it's I know this instead of I heard from my dentist. | ||
| Who put this guy under, who was a CIA agent, and as he got a little loopy, he's like, you know, there's aliens everywhere, right? | ||
| I'll just say I knew. | ||
| I talked to this guy. | ||
| I'm going to cut the middleman out. | ||
| I'm going to not mention he was on the gas. | ||
| It gives me a little more glory in this story. | ||
| Well, I mean, we've 100% even traced this down. | ||
| Like, Alex talks about, like... | ||
| Having first-hand knowledge that there are fish people in tanks with sad human faces and stuff like that. | ||
| And he's getting it from this guy named Steve Quayle who heard it from somebody else. | ||
| So it's a third-hand story to Alex. | ||
| Even second-hand to Steve Quayle. | ||
| First-hand, who knows who that person is. | ||
| Someone who Steve Quayle ran into at an airport or whatever. | ||
| You don't think Alex gets a little fucked up sometimes? | ||
| He's like, I'll tell you what Billy told me when we got off the air. | ||
| I bet that happens all the time. | ||
| Billy fucked a lizard. | ||
| He's fucking... | ||
| Alex is a drunk. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| That happens all the time, I'm sure. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| And from what I've heard... | ||
| But hey, come on. | ||
| He's fucking Joe Rogan's lovable little friend. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| From what I've heard, too, from people who have spent time with him or run into him at bars and stuff, Alex is maybe less now, but historically has been someone who is really into people being approving of him. | ||
| And so he would tell... | ||
| A lot of fish stories at bars and stuff like that. | ||
| I've talked to a number of people who have been a party of fish stories. | ||
| Alex holds court? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But wow, everyone is like, we know. | ||
| Everyone's rolling their eyes and he's like, no, no, no. | ||
| Guys are having a good time here. | ||
| Marty, it's been so fun. | ||
| I'm sorry to ruin or slightly tweak your version of Rowdy Roddy Piper. | ||
| I have learned a long time ago, whether it's your Hulk Hogan's, your Ric Flair's, your Steve Austin's, there's stuff Stone Cold's done in the past that I'm not proud of. | ||
| He's hit ladies. | ||
| These are not people to be put on a pedestal. | ||
| They're regular people. | ||
| They're very talented at their job. | ||
| You're able to separate art from artists. | ||
| I can separate art from artists. | ||
| I can still watch. | ||
| Chris Benoit wrestle and go. | ||
| Man, that guy was a great wrestler, but he was a monster in real life. | ||
| You kind of have to, to some extent. | ||
| I don't know where the line is, necessarily, but there is a line. | ||
| There's a line. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Man. | ||
| I think if there's a line, Benoit's passed it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just recently, I watched something he was in. | ||
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You know what? | |
| If he'd murdered his family before he was so great, then you could never enjoy how great he was. | ||
| But because you already had watched it and you had all those feelings, you're never going to be able to get rid of those feelings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if that helps. | ||
| You bring your baggage to the table. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, the wrestling business is a business where, you know, it's a lot of trickery and fakery and let them know only what you want them to know and stuff like that. | ||
| So you watch a lot of it, and you're just like... | ||
| Or you hear a lot of these guys... | ||
| Like you were saying with Alex, well, if he says this, then that's going to contradict that. | ||
| You share these old wrestlers, and they're like, well, here's what happened with that. | ||
| And you're like, well, you've been saying this for 20 years. | ||
| That's the kayfabe. | ||
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Uh-huh, uh-huh. | |
| And it's like, well, you know, here's the real story. | ||
| And it's also a business where people are destroyed. | ||
| You know, like, just by virtue of doing the job. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Roddy Pepper the performer, love him. | ||
| Roddy Pepper the actor, in they live. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or the Jesse Ventura. | ||
| ABC Pilot tag team available on YouTube where they are pro wrestlers and undercover cops. | ||
| I think he did drop a reference to it at some point in this interview. | ||
| I didn't know that him and Jesse Ventura would have ever actually been a tag team. | ||
| In wrestling, but he does say he and I did tag team. | ||
| And I was like, does the timeline work with that? | ||
| I'm not sure it does. | ||
| He's talking about the TV show. | ||
| Also, Body Slam is a great movie. | ||
| He's done some great work. | ||
| Unfortunately, he's also kind of stupid. | ||
| And that sucks, but you can't expect everyone to be wonderful. | ||
| And it doesn't seem like he's a bigot. | ||
| For everything... | ||
| A couple hours ago when we were talking, I was like, he seems stupid, but in the world he's in, the Infowars pool that he's in, it makes him not seem as bad. | ||
| He doesn't seem like he hates people. | ||
| He doesn't seem like... | ||
| And that's a win! | ||
| If you come out of Infowars looking like you're not a monster, then... | ||
| Not an educated man. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He started wrestling at, like, what, 14, 15? | ||
| No high school, no college. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, prime for Alex to, you know, woo him with his knowledge of information. | ||
| White male of a certain age, not educated. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He's a four-banger. | ||
| Owner of InfoWars Records. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| He's the Spider-Man. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| You know that? | ||
| He's a 6th Street Spider-Man. | ||
| No, I didn't know that. | ||
| He mentions that at the bar with Alex. | ||
| He's like, I'm the Spider-Man on 6th Street. | ||
| There's a guy who dresses up like Spider-Man on 6th Street. | ||
| Has a Quiznos sign, flips it around. | ||
| Man, when we were down in Austin, I'd been to 6th Street before. | ||
| I'd partied with some college friends. | ||
| Sixth Street gets shut down at a certain point on the weekends, and there's just horse cops and food everywhere. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| But I hadn't been in years, and when we were down there, it was actually really depressing because we had our show that started at like... | ||
| I think we started at 10, maybe, or whatever. | ||
| Maybe 9. And so we went down there early. | ||
| We were on Sixth Street at like 7. Grabbing a bite, and there were people really drunk. | ||
| I was in New Orleans. | ||
| Sun is out. | ||
| I was in New Orleans for WrestleMania, so that Bourbon Street, I'm just like, wow, this is... | ||
| I think being day drunk is awesome. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'm not judging. | ||
| But when you're out on the party street and you're fucked up, sun's out, 5, 6, 7. I don't know how some of these people over WrestleMania weekend... | ||
| Or week, whatever. | ||
| Didn't die? | ||
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We're just like drinking all day, all night. | |
| No, we drank until late in the morning. | ||
| It's like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Just take a little, do a little cocaine. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Pick it back up. | ||
| Go see some guys throw some grabs. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| You make it back. | ||
| You know, you get excited. | ||
| The adrenaline comes in. | ||
| You get a little more cocaine. | ||
| Keep going with the cocaine. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You make it through the whole weekend. | ||
| That's probably how. | ||
| I guess that's probably why I got sleepy. | ||
| I didn't have enough cocaine. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You know. | ||
| It's a magic drug. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Basically what I want to get to at the end of this is cocaine is wonderful. | ||
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I guess. | |
| No, that's not what I want to get to. | ||
| I want to say again, Marty, thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| This has been a delight. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| People should check out your show, Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| At martyandsarahlovewrestling.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Also, all sorts of... | ||
| One of the things... | ||
| I want to give you two very sincere compliments. | ||
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Okay. | |
| One is that you guys are so good at social media stuff. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You're amazing. | ||
| Mostly Sarah? | ||
| I had a hunch. | ||
| Yeah, mostly Sarah. | ||
| But at the same time, you guys do a great job with that. | ||
| And then secondarily, the reason I wanted to give you that compliment is I'm the worst at it. | ||
| I want to get better. | ||
| It's just a disaster. | ||
| But the other thing is you guys do so many awesome things for your listeners who are in need. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You do so many, like help boost people's... | ||
| Kickstarters and stuff like that. | ||
| Go fund me for medical bills and stuff like that. | ||
| And I think that is so fucking cool. | ||
| I think you and Sarah are both hilarious, awesome performers and creative types. | ||
| But it's so cool that you make a priority to be such humans like that. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Maybe you don't get enough compliments for that. | ||
| That's very nice. | ||
| And I imagine that's also all Sarah. | ||
| No! | ||
| That's all me! | ||
| She goes, fuck these people and their problems. | ||
| No, Sarah, we've got to help these people. | ||
| That's so cool. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I think it's wonderful that when people have the ability to do that, they funnel energy into that. | ||
| Because a lot of people don't think of that. | ||
| And it's that... | ||
| You know, with the whole, like, oh, it's better to give than to receive. | ||
| They just be like, yeah, right. | ||
| No, it is actually nice to, like, do nice things for people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, what else? | ||
| Who do you stand up? | ||
| What else? | ||
| Nami.org if you need to talk to somebody if you're not feeling... | ||
| Is that a sponsor? | ||
| No, but I always like to put that out there right now because it's everything in the world being all weird. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Nami. | ||
| That's where you can get a therapist. | ||
| No one can spell that. | ||
| N-A-M-I.org. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Nami.org. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Live PD. | ||
| I thought it would be N-A-H. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nami. | ||
| N-A-H-M-E. | ||
| Nami.org. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Live PD if you want a fun TV show. | ||
| Toy Galaxy if you like stuff from the 80s. | ||
| I keep saying Toy Galaxy. | ||
| Rhett and Link if you like bad stuff. | ||
| Rhett and Link if you want to start your day shitty. | ||
| No. | ||
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Get them. | |
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Go see the Menzingers in November in Chicago. | ||
| AAW Wrestling. | ||
| AAW is my home promotion. | ||
| Do some commentary for that? | ||
| I'll be on the... | ||
| Chris Jericho Cruz. | ||
| That's right! | ||
| You and Colt and Sarah. | ||
| I thought you guys were doing a podcast on there. | ||
| Colt and I are doing professional wrestling. | ||
| Oh, we'll be at All In if you guys are going to All In. | ||
| Seriously? | ||
| You're All In? | ||
| I'm All In, baby. | ||
| We'll be at All In. | ||
| Did they post a picture of you two? | ||
| They certainly did. | ||
| We are All In. | ||
| We'll be there all weekend. | ||
| There was one show where Alex kept saying that he's All In against the globalists, but he kept saying, I'm All In! | ||
| It's someone on our Facebook group. | ||
| We've taken it over. | ||
| I'm all into. | ||
| They did Photoshop of Alex with his shirt off. | ||
| And let me say thank you for all the content that you and Jordan provided. | ||
| It's our delight. | ||
| Our pleasure. | ||
| As always. | ||
| So, if anyone wants more of our show, you can check out knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We're on Facebook! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Patreon, I am a patron. | ||
| I appreciate that very much. | ||
|
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Proud patron. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Proud patron. | ||
| Let me get you a button. | ||
|
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Hell yeah. | |
| If you'd like to support the show, you can go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show. | ||
| We'd appreciate it. | ||
| I feel very depressed because the donations have slowed to a halt. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| If anyone wants to make me feel better, please feel free to click that button. | ||
| But beyond that, more importantly, Marty, we've come to the end of this episode. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And as is tradition, someone needs to be told to go fuck themselves. | ||
| And the guest, when Jordan's not here, is the person who's gutted side. | ||
| And it's tough, because Alex Jones, if you say that, that's very hacky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at the same time, if you say Roddy Roddy Piper, that feels really shitty. | ||
| So you've got to choose someone else. | ||
| And I don't think you want to say Sean Stone, because you don't know anything about that guy. | ||
| I don't know Sean Stone's life. | ||
| How about the guy? | ||
| It's got to be someone else we've talked about, I guess. | ||
| Thankfully, we've gone on so many tangents. | ||
| We have gone on some tangents. | ||
| Someone we've talked about. | ||
| I'm going to say, let's see, who can go fuck themselves? | ||
| You almost said that guy. | ||
| You almost said that guy. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I mentioned Kevin Nash. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| I mentioned Kevin Ash being a cool heel. | ||
| I don't think you did. | ||
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I did. | |
| No, you just wrote it in your notes. | ||
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Shit. | |
| I never mentioned Kevin Ash because he can go fuck off. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, Vince Russo. | ||
| He can always go fuck himself. | ||
| You gotta say it as a complete sentence. | ||
| Vince Russo. | ||
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Fuck off. | |
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |