Knowledge Fight - #175: Giants And Bonus Potatoes

June 27, 2018 - Knowledge Fight

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#175: Giants And Bonus Potatoes

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Knowledge Fight dissects Jim Baker’s grift—from his $279,000 hush-money payout to Jessica Hahn in the 1980s and fraudulent luxury hotel sales to his unaccredited Morningside School of Media, charging $5,500/year for indoctrinated teens under Lori Baker’s cult-like control. Steve Quayle amplifies absurd claims, like Persia’s cyber threats (based on debunked 2014 USS Donald Cook propaganda) and biblical giants building pyramids, while Baker peddles survivalist products and end-times fearmongering. Their shared exploitation of conspiracy theories and religious literalism reveals a pattern: profit over truth, with Baker’s overt grift contrasting Jones’ more insidious audience manipulation. [Automatically generated summary]
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jordan holmes

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Speaker	Time	Text
unidentified		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
		Thanks for holding.
		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a first time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
		I love your work.
		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified		I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are a couple of dudes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we are, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not today.
		All right.
		Not today, Satan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not today.
		All right.
		What do we say to the God of Bits?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not today, Tottenham.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not today.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Today sucks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a shit day.
unidentified		It is a shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The world sucks, man.
		The world sucks.
		I don't want to talk about it.
		Everybody knows what we mean.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We aren't a political affairs show, and I feel like anytime we try and drift too deeply into those waters, we sound like idiots.
		So let's not do that.
		That's not what this show is about.
		This show is about how I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But I am still calling for a civil war.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure about a civil war, but boy, something, boy, something's got to happen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it's got to happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I saw your tweet from earlier about stacking the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be the only way we get rid of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Might be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Especially since Kennedy is probably going to retire now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You better not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Kennedy is an awful Supreme Court judge, but imagine replacing him with another official.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You just can't make it worse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, inevitably, any change now is not going to be positive change.
unidentified		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, we have to get rid of the, like, it's bananas.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So all such a mess.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what to say.
unidentified		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, we're fucked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because of that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I do know one thing I want to say, and that is thank you to our new donors.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nice!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is a tasteless transition on my part, but you've got to get out of it somehow.
		I'd like to thank Timothy.
		Thank you so much for joining up with the team.
unidentified		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We appreciate it very much, Timothy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Timothy, for joining up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And secondly, I'd like to thank another new donor.
unidentified		What's going on out there, Brett?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Brad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Brett, thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We do appreciate it.
		If you'd like to support the show and the things that we do, you may do so by going to knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show button.
		We would appreciate it very much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And every policy wonk will be a non-commissioned officer in the Second Civil War.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the rule, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Based on how bad all this stuff is and how just nonsensical the political landscape is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the world is nuts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I decided that maybe it's time for us to do something that I've been wanting to do for a long time.
		And actually, someone wrote me a message, I think it was on Facebook, and suggested that we do this.
		And I don't know if I had the heart to explain to him that I've been kicking it around for a while.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is this an audible?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we audibling away from both Alex Jones and Project Camelot?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
		Well, I know that you and I have had conversations, and I've said this privately to folks.
		I don't know if I've said it on the show or whatever, but I might have.
		The theme of this show is less Alex Jones and the more that everybody is running a con.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		These people are all running a con, and they're doing it the same way.
		Right.
		Stop.
		Like, don't.
		Not that our listeners need to be told don't listen to these people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's kind of interesting to look at how very, very similar all of these fucking con men are who are just ripping off old people by pushing white supremacy in such a way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a really successful blueprint.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		It's fascinating.
		And the damage that's being done to the body politic now, we're feeling it in the stuff that we're talking about right now at the beginning of this show.
		Right.
		It's the end result of these fucking huckster con men who have destroyed everything and allowed people with ill will, the people like the Stephen Millers of the world, to gain the seats of power that they are in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Without the huckster con men who really just want to take old people's money, but also probably are bigots themselves, probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, they are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're all monstrous people, but at the same time, they seem to be chiefly motivated by wanting to grift grannies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're like bigots on the local level.
		They don't want to be the arbiter or the causers of harm along the national scale.
		They're just taking advantage of people who do.
		And then you have the people who get whipped up into a frenzy.
		All I'm saying is don't trust people who want you to trust us because we're genuinely confused and kind of nervous that anybody's listening to us in the first place.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I apologize for not responding to a lot of emails.
		It overwhelms me emotionally, and I don't know if I can handle it.
		Exactly.
		Especially nice ones.
		That's the part that's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, we can't do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, please talk shit to us.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bad shit to us all the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bad ones make me feel very scared, but good ones make me feel invalid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are imposter syndrome writ large.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, speaking of imposters, today what we're going to be talking about, my friend is Jim Baker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Yes.
		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't want to.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to talk about Jim Baker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Because he's awesome.
		But what do you mean he's awesome?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's so fucking stupid.
		It's crazy.
		All right.
		He is like, I prepared this episode about Jim Baker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And all I want to do is watch more Jim Baker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're doing Jim Baker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'll be honest with you, towards the end of this, the spirit got good to me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, you're a fan now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not a fan, but I get it.
		I understand.
		You can see the tricks that he's doing to rev people up about Christ and what have you.
		Just to switch it on you to sell a survival radio or some shit.
		So for everyone who doesn't know, Jim Baker sucks.
		He's a televangelist who's done some time in prison.
		And also, we're going to get into why he's a worse person than just someone who's gone to prison.
		Various things that we'll learn.
		I don't have an out-of-context drop for this episode.
		What I was going to do is I was going to start with that song that made the rounds that went viral, that guy singing about end times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not hear that one.
unidentified		You didn't?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I try and avoid anything that's viral.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's the issue then now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to pull it up because I decided it was hacky to play it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, now this is why we're in agreement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is why I avoid things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was hacky.
		It's the one thing that most people have seen of Jim Baker.
		It went around.
		It was a meme that got sent around.
		I'll give you a little bit of setup here, and then I'll play it for the good people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, I have tried for the past year or two to avoid any at all social media, and I still fucking tweet every now and again because I'm an insane person.
		And I just, like, for me, I tweet once every couple of weeks just whenever I'm so angry and there's no one to yell at around me.
		Like, as long as we're doing the show, I don't need to tweet.
		But we hadn't talked for a couple of days, so I got to yell something about the Supreme Court.
		That's just my life, David.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's totally understandable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, the memes don't get to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is a guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a rather large gentleman in a Hawaiian shirt, and he's apparently...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm a fan of his.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know all the details.
		He's either a part of Jim Baker's praise band or he's someone else who's doing guest vocals.
		And he's going to sing a song.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure he's not the comedian's name?
		Fluffy?
		That guy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		This guy's white.
		But also, like, this guy's going to sing a song about Jim's various survival products.
		And I'm not sure if Jim Baker actually speaks in this clip, but he's standing behind the guy.
		Well, at a little desk.
		He has a little desk.
		But here we go.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, I love this song.
		I want to get his hand.
		What encouraged you to write this song?
		I keep it when you get inspired.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I came up with the idea with all the products in.
unidentified		I love the song, My Girl.
		Actually, I got to give a shout out to our bass player, Mark Broder, who also wrote Calvary Hill from Blueberry.
		Yeah, Mark actually helped me with the line line or two here.
		So, Mark and I put this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Mark.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mark's doing good.
unidentified		So, call right now and let's get some into your sister.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what he fucking looks like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're collecting on the shelf.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you got it at home, and this is set to my girl every day.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Every day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Come on, people, and get the junk.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		De-junk your house.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has a weird hat on.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		And get up and dance with it all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		I love summertime.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		I've got burgers made of beans.
unidentified		They're never fried.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
		Your face.
		I can't deal with this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We just have to get to the chorus so that we can cut bait.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God, the most racist people always want to steal black music.
unidentified		I guess you'd say, Jim and Lori, help me be prepared to do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, I'm going to go.
		I'm just going to go.
		I'm just going to say this.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I'm just going to say this.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is absolutely not biblical to prepare for the end times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is against the rules.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I didn't think that's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the Bible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't think that was the angle you were going to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are not allowed to know when it's coming, and you sure as fuck aren't allowed to prepare for it.
		Exactly.
		You're supposed to just shut the fuck up and be a not-shitty person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, now, I thought that your response was going to be, now that is the kind of bullshit we can get behind.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My response is, now that is what I call music, volume eight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
		Like, the version.
		The version of con man stuff that we're used to does not involve pageantry.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't involve showmanship.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Definitely doesn't involve Hawaiian shirts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And man, that was so bad.
		That is just so terrible.
		But that made the rounds, and everybody's clowning on Jim Baker for a bit, and that's always fun to see.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fuck that guy.
		But there's a part of me that, like, one of the other things that makes me very.
		I'm pretty sure that he didn't think that, like, I'm going to do this embarrassing my girl cover, and then everyone will give me free press.
		Like, the way Alex trolls.
		I think he was sincerely like, this will really be fun for the congregation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely agree with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we'll sell some of these bean burgers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boy, the burgers are made out of beans, huh?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Never fried.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Never fried.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What about refried?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can't have refried bean burgers?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to learn a bit about his foods here in a little bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But what I decided.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to learn about his foods.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a lot of foods.
		Plural.
		He sells foods.
		So many foods in buckets.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In buckets?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get real deep on a lot of stuff that Jim Baker sells.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He sells food in buckets.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There is nothing more Christ-like than putting food in buckets.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, Jesus loved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where were the bread and the fish?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Buckets.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Buckets.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You said it, my man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They had KFC written on them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I went through and I was like, I don't know.
		Jim Baker's been around for fucking ever.
		How am I going to find a starting point?
		And I was like, man, it would be really convenient if someone who's on Alex Jones' show a lot is also a guest on Jim Baker's show.
		Wouldn't that be so funny?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's totally true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's totally true.
		I found a guy, Michael Snyder, is a guest on there.
		He's actually going to be on in like a week or so in a new episode.
		But we haven't really talked about Michael Snyder all that much on this show.
		He shows up a bit, but he's usually fairly boring on Alex's show.
		So he hasn't, you know, he doesn't get as thorough a treatment from us.
		But then, guess who I found as a guest on Jim Baker's show multiple times?
		Steve Quayle.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The moment you said Steve, I was like, holy shit, Pieczenik is on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think Pieczenik's going there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Steve Quayle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who's Steve Quayle again?
		He actually was on recently.
		He was on Alex's show recently.
		It had been quite a while since the two of them had gotten together.
		He is a guy who's been around since a long time.
		He's a long-time Alex Jones guest.
		He's written a bunch of books about giants.
		Remember this guy?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The guy who wrote about giants.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've talked about Giants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I remember because we talked about I Kill Giants, which is my favorite.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Steve Quayle is a bit of a lunatic.
		Alex thinks he's a prophet.
		Right.
		Which should lead you to at least suspect on many levels that some of Alex's narratives come from Steve.
		And I think we're going to see some examples of that very clearly thanks to Jim Baker.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this actually.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Before we go any further, conspiracy theory.
unidentified		Interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jim actually died in jail.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was only in for like five years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tammy Faye just removed all of her makeup, and now she's taken over.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Possible.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Not possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the science on it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I say.
		Here is the first clip that we get.
		It's impossible to make a clip of the Jim Baker show without some sales being involved because he talks hard.
		He's selling all the time.
		And so this clip starts with him trying to sell Steve Quayle's book.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Genesis 6 Giants.
		This is a book you wrote.
		And then this one here, what's the difference in this one?
		This is true legends.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		True Legends deals with all the myths and legends around the world in addition to giants, but it talks about why this subject is covered up by the powers that be.
		That's a Smithsonian cover-up.
		And by the way, they just found it.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I just heard that on the show the other day.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		It's a Smithsonian cover-up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a ballroom.
unidentified		It's a Smithsonian cover-up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you know about this?
unidentified		Do you know what the Smithsonian does, you'll say?
unidentified		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's see if he says more.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		They create every skeleton that is of the giants, and they bought them up.
		They even had to buy museums just to get them.
		Absolutely.
		Why would they want to do that?
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Because they don't want to have the word of God substantiated in any way, shape, or form.
		What they're going to claim, ladies and gentlemen, is that the aliens created this.
		And by the way, more people have been one to the Lord by finally answering their questions.
		I'll give you a good example.
		When God said to the children of Israel, to Moses, go in and Joshua and Caleb going into the promised land and kill every man, woman, and child, people say, how could a holy God do that?
		How could a loving God do that?
		One that wanted to protect the genetic creation of Adam and Eve.
		It was about the promise in 315 Genesis being the Redeemer, Jesus, coming through the true lineage.
		And that's why Jesus is called the second Adam.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a lot of race stuff there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of true lineage stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was a lot to unpack.
		That was a lot to unpack.
		If I understand correctly, giants are real.
		The Smithsonian is covering them up in order to keep people from knowing that God is real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that Christianity is entirely accurate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		And when you ask, why would a Justin-loving God tell two guys to murder every man, woman, and child in a place?
		The answer is, because of course, dummies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he wanted to protect the lineage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll get more into that here in a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The lineage of Adam?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought you said the Justin-loving God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, God loves Justin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Justin.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		From Justin to Loving Kelly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what do you know about the Smithsonian cover-up, my dude?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Smithsonian is a museum.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They bought all the giants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it has a lot of interesting things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They have a great website.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Big fans of science and history.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pretty sure that's the end of the story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In December of 2014, the publication published an article titled, quote, The Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in the Early 1900s.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From this article, quote, a U.S. Supreme Court ruling has forced the Smithsonian Institution to release classified papers dating from the early 1900s that proves the organization was involved in major historical cover-up of evidence showing giants, giant human remains, this is poorly written, in the tens of thousands that had been uncovered all across America and were ordered to be destroyed by high-level administrators to protect the mainstream chronology of human evolution at the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tens of thousands of giant skeletons?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A lot of giant skeletons.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tons of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like you might just find them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And yet, it almost seems too low.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It almost also seems like any of the people who had those skeletons could have said no to the Smithsonian Institution.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or they could have been like, hey, I sold these bones to the Smithsonian.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How much does the giant skeleton run?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would think a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Especially if it's part of this cover-up shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
		You would extort the hell out of the government if you had a giant skeleton.
		You got two options.
		Who bucks?
		You go to the National Enquirer or you go to the Smithsonian.
		I've always said that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like the National Enquirer is a wasted shot, though, because they wouldn't pay you that much since they know that everyone's going to think it's bullshit.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, so they'll give you like 50 bucks.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Smithsonian's going to give you 75.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why they're the good ones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I thought they were...
		See, now, I assumed that they had destroyed all those bones in the 1900s because that was during the great...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The bone craze?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that was during the Great Piñata shortage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The bone broth shortage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the bone broth shortage.
unidentified		That was it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The giants' bones for the bone broth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Devastating.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the strong indications of this being complete bullshit as a story is that it repurposes old ports.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because there's giants.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It also.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That seems like it should be a quick one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It repurposes old pictures of the skulls of people like Eduard Beaupaire of Beaupre, who was born with gigantism and was a sideshow performer who died in 1904.
		The article lies about the context of the pictures, which makes believing the other stuff a little bit more difficult.
		Also, all Supreme Court decisions are a matter of public record.
		This one does not exist.
		That one's tough.
		That's tough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a hard workaround.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this came out on a site called World News Daily Report.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the most accurate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing you need to remember, and this is a great thing for us to be starting on with Steve Quayle.
		Steve Quayle is a religious zealot to the point of believing this because it fulfills his weird belief about Christianity and biblical literalism.
		Even though the website that he got this from, World News Daily Report, includes this as a disclaimer.
		Quote, World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways.
		All news articles contained within WorldNewsDailyReport.com are fiction and presumably fake news.
unidentified		Alrighty.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alrighty.
		So giants are second-rate the onion.
		That's essentially what we're dealing with.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's written a bunch of books about giants and stuff like that and believes it for like before this fake article.
		Right.
		But you do see that he's using it as proof of his bullshit worldview, which leads one to believe that maybe he's not on such solid footing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, if he had said that Willie Mays' bones were destroyed by the Smithsonian Institute, I would lose my shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would love it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'd need a Supreme Court ruling on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And it would be on public record.
		So we could find it.
		So towards the end of that clip, what we heard is him saying a lot of stuff about lineage and about them wanting to stop the lineage of the one true God and what have you.
		And here is where he gets real confused.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How's he going to sell us on the Adam being white?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is where conservative politics comes in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if he's ever going to actually touch on that part of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's implied.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The smugness.
		Here's the other thing, the silence.
		You see, I believe that the silence and the abortion, the world of abortion, led to the silence and the most horrific slaughter known since the Middle Ages.
		Even more so, the Holocaust didn't secret.
		We're getting it in HD every day.
		Somebody posts it on YouTube.
		There's no sorrow.
		There's no brokenness.
		And the last time I'm misreading the Bible, we're all members of one body.
		And see, that's the thing that crazy.
		But you know what?
		All that stuff is taking place.
		And I guarantee I can prove this.
		Because of the total contempt for life, every single one of those babies that's aborted, every single one of those brother or sister and women are being just brutalated.
		That's brutally mutilated, you know?
		New word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		New word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This guy's on cocaine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's on cocaine.
		This is awful.
		The way he's speaking is crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just jumping around from topic to topic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		New word.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Steve.
		I put him on an eight ball.
		He's both jumping around, and yet he's a bit laconic.
		He's a bit lethargic as well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		An eight ball is just a measurement of cocaine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a mix.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a speedball.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Speedball shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're a bad body.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or like a cheeseball.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eight speedball.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a new word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about like heroin and cocaine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
unidentified		Eight ball.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I apologize.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Eight ball is just a measurement of cobblestones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I apologize for eight balls or dairy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I meant speedball.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cold word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So if you're not, if you're not like understanding exactly what he's getting at with this stuff about the abortions, he's talking about this sort of fundamentalist Christian idea of every time that a baby is aborted, that might have been the new savior kind of shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's on that tip to the point where later on he will actually express that it's an effort on the part of people who are pro-abortion to make sure the next Jesus doesn't come.
		To which I would argue that's bad.
		It seems like your religion isn't in as much control of the universe as you think it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't seem like it's very effective.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like you should see that coming if you're God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what's weird about God?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Easily blindsided.
		He missed everything.
		Like the whole Noah thing.
		He should have seen that shit coming a long time ago.
		And then he had to fucking redo the whole thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Omniscience, friend.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He etches sketched the world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not a complete omniscience, I guess.
		I don't know.
		I don't fucking know.
		Anyway, that's troubling.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, that's unfair.
		How come he gets to tell people to go and kill every man, woman, and child in a place, but we can't abort our babies?
		That's just fair game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You could just say God told you to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everyone, every good turn deserves an aborted baby.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You could just say God told you to or something like that.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You'd sort of get the same credibility as he's trying to appeal to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Write it down on some golden tablets.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		People start believing that shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in this next clip, we get what I would call disgraceful misuse of native culture.
		Oh, no.
		In a really, it's kind of a funny way, actually, I'll say that.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Very few ministries will even address the subject, okay?
		I want to show the charts and the graphs, and this means this, this means that, okay?
		And everybody's worried about this seventh seal, seventh trumpet, you know?
		And I said, you know, the only thing you need to worry about, you better check with the Lord and make sure your name's written in the Lamb's Book of Life, you know?
		Because again, we're in a post-Christian culture.
		And because we got who knows the deliverers that were in the numbers slaughtered.
		Who knows?
		Who knows?
		And so, Jim, the true legend.
		Will you hold up that picture right there?
		It's hard for people to understand that that's one of the famous Native American legends of literally the giants being so big they could carry a buffalo or a bison under each arm.
unidentified		Wow.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		And listen, that's like having a meal on the run for these guys.
		And Tom came on.
		I don't know if he talked about it.
		And the Anasazi Indians, which lived in Mesa Birdie, they were the little ones.
		They literally got wiped out overnight.
		They were eaten by the giants, okay?
		So every Native American legend, and when you spend the time I've spent going through this stuff, that's why the bags are under my eyes because I don't sleep much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably from the eight ball.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Speedball.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Speedball.
		I would say if you spent a lot of time with this, one of the first things you should have come up with is that Anasazi is an offensive term.
		You're not supposed to use that term.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The appropriate term for that population is ancestral or ancient Puebloans.
		The reason for this is the term Anasazi is a word that comes from the Navajo language, meaning enemy ancestors.
		For obvious reasons, the modern-day Puebloans do not want to be primarily referred to as the descendants of enemies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, that's a solid, that's an airtight argument on their part.
		Yeah, it's because it's an airtight argument.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's because the first people who went through the, like, the first white folk who went through those areas were along with the Navajo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they were like, this is where they were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They had the translators.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You had a Navajo translator with you.
		You didn't have a Pueblo translator with you.
		So you got the biased version of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you should have figured that out with any time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cursory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cursory Google search.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or you could specify what legend you're talking about here with the giant who's picking up a fast food bison.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's another question: if there are current Pueblans, how is it that the ancient ones were all eaten up?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, because they weren't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of there was some dispersal from that population that went out.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, when the giant eats him, he throws the other one away.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's like wings.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you don't always finish him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One for me, one for you.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, when you want to appeal to legend in terms of factual stuff and being like, giants exist because Native American legends include them, I'd like to ask you, what about Huitzal, the Aztec water monster whose name translates to water possum?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, it looks something like a large stylized possum, only with a hand at the end of its tail, which it uses to drag people underwater, kill them, and eat their eyes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So is that real?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is that real?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm way on board with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Steve, is that real?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would rather that were real than giants any day of the week.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If the Smithsonian is hiding that shit, Supreme Court!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Bring it in!
		It'll be public record.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just a huge fan of the gullibility, the inherent gullibility that you can just hear perfectly whenever a dumb person on TV goes, wow.
		Right, right.
		That was it.
		That was all she needed.
		She heard that and she was done.
		She was like, wow, that must be true.
		He said it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's Jim's new wife, Lori, who is along for the ride and making a lot of money off these people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, I want to talk more about Native American legends.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought you might.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What about the Sioux people who viewed the coyote as a trickster figure?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are we going to assume that the government is covering up that coyotes love to do pranks?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's actually true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what about Rabbit Boy, the folk hero of Sioux mythology, which is clunkily named, was born from a clot of blood and raised by rabbits.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Rabbit figure, rabbit boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Rabbit boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What about the Chippewa and their Wendigo, the man-eating spirit into which you will transform when you die if you commit various sins on earth?
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Wendigo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fought against one of those in a Final Fantasy game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What about the Niwe, the, quote, giant man-eating skunk monster that killed people with its poisonous spray, who after its defeat became the origin of ordinary skunks?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that makes as much sense as anything else.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where do skunks really come from, Dan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you really.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Yiwe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I mean, like, where do they come from, though?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's only one explanation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		France.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what I'm getting at is, like, legend is full of stuff that doesn't really track with modern reality.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like you shouldn't put your faith in just old myths.
		Myths from a time before science.
		You shouldn't put your faith into things like a Wendigo or a Jesus.
		You shouldn't put your faith into those things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because it's dumb.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that Jesus is closer, though.
		Like, there's supernatural aspects to his story and stuff like that.
		But, like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, if the next Jesus can be aborted and the whole game is up, then fuck off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm closer to that than a Wendigo, though, or Rabbit Boy.
		But a rabbit boy, actually, I mean, besides the part about being born from a blood clot, the part about being raised by rabbits, that's just like a feral child.
		That's not really all that.
		Anyway, my point is that Steve Quayle's an idiot, and that will be reinforced as we go along.
		But the specific reasons he's being an idiot and some of the specific ways he tries to funnel that idiocy into the messages he puts out is incredibly important.
		And it's important to remember that he is someone who Alex Jones views as a prophet.
		Right.
		Basically, as a, like, this guy's a genius.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So before we go any further, we can say with confidence, Jim is conning people.
		He doesn't believe in fucking any of this shit.
		Well, he's Jim Baker.
		Well, he's already, he's played the game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, we'll get into more specifics about Jim Baker, but he's a vet.
		In case you need to reinforce that he's a con man, listen to this.
		This is the first of his commercial breaks.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back with more of the Jim Baker show right after this word.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		We're sitting outside of our general store here at Morningside.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, Morningside has a general store.
		Morningside is his absurd.
		It's in Pleasant Valley.
		It's an absurd end times religious community.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, I like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But they have a general store.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		At least they're all together.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They have a general store.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		There's probably more action here than any place at Morningside, I would guess, because it never closes.
unidentified		In the 24-hour store.
unidentified		I'm going to suggest at the general store.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to suggest there's not much action anywhere.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's not much action if the general store is the hopping place to be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're underselling Morningside.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And you can buy food and have healthy food.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		We do have a little of everything to eat.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		But you know, the thing that I've been saying over and over again, we need to be prepared for what's going to come on earth.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		So what we need to do is read the word, be prepared, so that we can be a part of this amazing time that's going to be soul winning time.
unidentified		Amen.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And so if you're not prepared, be prepared.
		Be prepared now while we have this special going on.
		Now, if you order a year of food, how much bonus food can they get today?
unidentified		Yes, today, whenever you order one year of food for a donation of $600 to the ministry, you're getting a bonus of a rice bucket and a bonus of sliced potatoes.
unidentified		And just with the bonus, that's an additional five and a half months of food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What measurement is a year of food?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that a lot?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that a little?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's in.
		If you go to his website, you can find the breakdowns of everything.
		It's just in servings.
		So you have like 500 servings of potatoes or whatever in this bucket.
		It's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So for $600, you get a year of food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		And there's some variety to it.
		There's like powdered food, like breads and like powdered eggs and shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Damn it, I am hating all of the doomsday preppers so much right now because I'm leaning towards them.
		Like really, realistically right now, I'm like, in 10 years, I think I might want some powdered bread.
		I don't understand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want powdered bread ever, but there was a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, since we've started this show, my standard position has been it's probably smart to have some water in the house.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like that sort of thing.
		And that's not changing now.
		No.
		But listen to this.
		I had to pause it to eating it a little bit out because this goes much further.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ow!
unidentified		So for a donation of $600, you get one year plus five and a half months of food.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Okay, for two years then, or it could be a year for two people or two years of food, you get a double bonus then, right?
unidentified		Yes, that's right.
		You're going to get two buckets of the rice and two buckets of the potatoes for a bonus of 11 months of food.
		You're getting nearly three years of food for a donation of $1,100 to the ministry.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And the bonuses is what I want to emphasize.
		The food is the best.
		And then we're adding to it extenders.
		We like to call them food extenders because you can take the rice and add it to almost any of the things.
		Here, let me have, this is kind of a recipe list of stuff we have.
		For instance, oatmeal.
unidentified		You could add, what could you do to oatmeal?
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		You could literally put the banana chips on top of that.
unidentified		That's right.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people have our berries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is happening right now?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It goes on so much longer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're giving you recipes for food that costs them, what, 45 cents?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A bucket of rice is very cheap.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is they're sending you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they can only send it by freight, by the way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just cost-effective.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because they're selling you tonnage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're sending you tonnage of rice.
		Exactly.
		Also, if I understand correctly, if you order a year's worth of food, you get a bonus of one bucket of rice and one bucket of potatoes.
		But if you order two years of food, you get a bonus of two buckets of rice and two buckets of potatoes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just standard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So it's the same bonus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's standard home shopping network kind of bullshit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why are you adding, why are you pretending that that is an extra bonus?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		But this goes on.
		I wanted to play the entire fucking commercial for you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it goes on like another couple minutes where he and these two people that he has, his two salespeople that he's sitting at this table with, they're like, oh, well, you could take the creamy chicken and rice, put some more rice in there.
		Now it's even more.
		Like, what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're doing the forest gum shrimp bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		More or less, yeah.
		And I love that he's like, you know, we like to call it extenders.
		You put this rice in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then he brings up the oatmeal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're like, there's no way you're putting rice in that oatmeal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why would you put rice in an oatmeal?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because he chose the exact wrong thing to then put the – because he's old.
		He's like 70-something years old.
		He's crazy.
unidentified		He's an old, crazy asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I'll tell you a little bit more about Jim Baker before we get back into the festivities.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I should tell you that a secretary of Another televangelist did accuse him back in the, I believe it was in the 80s, of luring her to a hotel and raping her.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He believed that everybody should serve him because he was serving God, she said of Baker.
		This is a lady named Jessica Hahn.
		Jim's version of what happened when he was called to answer for it is less than satisfying.
unidentified		Oh!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, I sorrowfully acknowledge that seven years ago, in an isolated incident, I was wickedly manipulated by treacherous former friends and then colleagues who victimized me with the aid of a female Confederate.
		They conspired to betray me into a sexual encounter at a time of great stress in my marital life.
		Vulnerable as I was at the time, I was set up as a part of a scheme to co-opt me and obtain some advantage for themselves in connection with their hope for position in the ministry.
		Which sounds like bullshit.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the guy who set them up, Han and Baker, did say he was a pimp?
		No, on record, he said that Jim had asked for him to get somebody to help make Tammy Faye jealous.
		So that was something that came out before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And man, you just look into the details of this, and it's pretty horrifying.
		It's pretty fucked up.
		Because Jessica's side of the story, which I believe far more, certainly in terms of I don't believe him at all, I believe her.
		She was under the impression that she was going to go to this convention and babysit his children.
		And then she showed up at a hotel room and he was nowhere to be found.
		And, you know, one of those things.
		Really fucked up.
		So then Jim paid Hahn $279,000 in hush money.
		Apparently, money coming from the funds of his then ministry, PTL Ministries.
		You know what that stands for?
		Praise the Lord.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		After the cover-up of this hush money came out, Baker was forced to step down from his ministry.
		Jerry Falwell would go on to call him, quote, the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Coming from the greatest scab on the face of ministries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's like Benny Hinn calling you a little over the Jesus.
		So in 1988, Baker was indicted on eight counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud, and one count of conspiracy.
		He served about five years of his time, and for part of it, his cellmate was a notorious right-wing fuckhead and frequent Alex Jones guest, Lyndon LaRouche, who Baker said was convinced that their cell was tapped.
		Quote, to say that Lyndon was slightly paranoid, Baker wrote in his autobiography, would be like saying the Titanic had a bit of a leak.
		Parenthetically, just a little note: LaRouche was in prison because, quote, on December 16th, 1988, Lyndon LaRouche was convicted of conspiracy to commit mail fraud involving more than $30 million in defaulted loans, 11 counts of actual mail fraud involving $294,000 in defaulted loans, and one count of conspiring to defraud the United States Internal Revenue Service.
		He had not filed a tax return in 10 years, and when asked about it, he claimed to have no income.
		Just a little bit of context.
		At the time, he lived on a 172-acre estate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like that argument.
		Ballsy.
		That is a bold first move.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Jim Baker was in trouble and ended up in prison because he'd sold tens of thousands of $1,000 lifetime memberships, which entitled people to a certain amount of stays at a luxury hotel he was building.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Basically, it was like a timeshare type of scam.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he never built that hotel?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he sold tens of thousands of these memberships, but he only ever did end up building one 500-room hotel, which represented massive overselling and was intentionally very clearly fraud.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, Baker sold exclusive partnerships which exceeded capacity, raising more than twice the amount of money needed to build the hotel.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Much of the money paid Heritage USA's operating expenses, and Baker kept $3.4 million.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's got overhead, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		$3.40.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's got overhead.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A lot of overhead.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now he runs this Jim Baker show with his new wife, Lori, and they just tell old people that the world is about to end.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He sells literally everything he can get his little hands on with the help of Laurie, who reminds me quite a bit of Tammy Faye.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw that, and I was not stoked about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he has this Pleasant Valley, and it includes the Morningside community, which it's fucking insane.
		If you go to JimBakershow.com, you can see all of the stuff that he sells.
		There's cozy cottages that you can rent a vacation stay in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would be weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would totally do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has condos that they sell.
		Yes.
		They sell or they rent out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some of these condos, I've watched other videos of him.
		He's gesticulating when he's giving the sermons.
		He's gesticulating around that the condos are in the same room as the open door.
		You walk out your front door, you're in the church.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Basically.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the worst thing I've ever heard.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It terrified the shit out of me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is ridiculous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So then on top of this, we have, of course, the general store where everything is rocking.
		There's a lot of action there.
		Right, right, right.
		We have an RV park that they have people can camp in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just smart.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't actually think that one's too bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that one's just smart.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The idea that he's selling property, though, is fucked up to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The idea that these prefab...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Especially if he's selling them literally in the church.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a boy, the Bible is really strong on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's like one of the few times Jesus was pissed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When he got aggro.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was one of the few times where Jesus was like, I am the Son of God, and I'm going to fuck shit up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So then also, Lori runs a place called Laurie's House, which is crazy.
		They showed a picture of it in one of the videos.
		I'm like, what the fuck is that?
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like a fucking four-story giant house.
		It's crazy huge.
		If you go to the website and you look it up, the exterior of it is pornographic in size.
		It's so big.
		You look through the pictures of it.
		There's like ornate staircases.
		It's insane.
		But then every picture of rooms, every picture of rooms that they have are claustrophobic.
		They feel so small.
unidentified		Weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like there's a chapel in it.
		It just looks like, man, if I was in there, it would be so tight.
		It reminded me of rooms where you'd have surprise meetings at work, like unplanned meetings.
		Oh, you just got to grab this room.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everybody just jump inside here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Lori's house is a place of hope and healing, providing a Christ-centered home and support to pregnant women during their pivotal time of need.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you want to follow after me, give up your worldly possessions, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And build a giant house.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you know, on the one level, you have the idea that maybe she is doing a service and helping some pregnant women who are in need.
unidentified		Doubt it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then the other side of it is you know that this is just a ploy to, like, be anti-abortion.
		I don't believe many people are staying there.
		I think that's Lori's literal house.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the hunch I get.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could be there's a floor with very large rooms.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could be there's a space where it's wide open and they keep the giant skeleton.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now it's interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we've gotten a little bit into Jim Baker's con history and what have you, and like any right-thinking person would be able to see through what he's doing now is like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is brutally sad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		pretty crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But one thing that is super important is to listen to him break down some headlines and see if we see any kind of...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He breaks down headlines?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he gets into a little bit of news.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if we feel like this is familiar at all.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is, is that we're seeing now the literal fulfillment of all the events, corruption.
		We see genetic corruption.
		You can read that.
		We see it in the news every day.
		You see it in Matt Drudge, okay?
		You see it in the, I would call it the Midas touch of the Illuminati.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real quick.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What he's saying there is you see these headlines on Matt Drudge.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's not saying that Matt Drudge has been genetically corrupted.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's non-white people, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But just to be clear, it's not.
		We're going to get to what it means.
		Okay.
		But just to be clear, he's just pimping Drudge shit here on Jim Baker's show.
		It's philosophically inlined entirely.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		They're releasing the information that will ultimately enslave us.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Here's a headline today.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		U.S. scientists creating human-animal hybrids by growing human organs inside sheep and pigs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's literally the exact same headline that Alex Jones brings up all the time.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And then can the creation of human GMOs cure genetic disease?
		These are headlines.
		Could the U.S. deploy cyborg troops?
unidentified		And you've got to understand, these are from sources like Fox News, like The Guardian, CNN.
unidentified		These are mainstream media sources.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That guy at the end kind of gives up the game a tiny bit inasmuch as he's saying, like, these aren't from our crazy stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're from the mainstream crazy shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anytime anybody says they're from the mainstream news, it betrays that they know that their position is kind of crazy.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I like that a little bit, but this is the exact same stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the same message that Alex Jones is putting out to the market.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's the same they have to tell you in order for their victory to be complete or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a part of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then also the misrepresentation of the chimera narrative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love the chimera narrative.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The chimera narrative is now being repackaged into a more specifically anti-Christian message to scare this particular audience.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can adapt it into fucking anything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can.
		It's like jazz.
		Just tweak it a little.
		So now we get...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that how jazz works?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tweak it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here comes more giants, baby.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		The hybrid situation is relative to the giants.
		Exactly.
		Let me ask you.
		No other conclusion to drop.
		I think a lot of people think, well, this is a whole lot to do about nothing.
		It's in the Bible.
		Okay.
		It's over and over in the Bible.
		It's many, many places in the Bible.
		Different words used for different giants.
		The giants are children of who?
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		The giants are the children of the fallen angels.
		In Genesis.
		Book of Genesis.
		The word Nephilim is translated giant in two places.
		Genesis 6, 4 and Numbers 13, 33.
		After that, every giant or land of the giants or whatever is referred to the land of the Rephaim, okay?
		Nephilim are fallen angels.
		Rephaim are giants.
		Demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants.
		The demons have appetite, okay?
		Fallen angels don't inhabit people.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		So where did these people, these giants and then their offspring, they had relationships with earth people.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, the fallen angels.
		Look, and people say, well, why would they misquote a scripture?
		They misunderstand us.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they misquote scripture all the time.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		They are neither given or taken in marriage.
		That's in heaven.
		These are fallen angels that came to corrupt the seed.
		And the whole thing was they were trying to prevent the birth of Jesus Christ.
		And now why it's so important, and that's the bottom line in everything.
		The reason it's important is because science wants to do away with the last vestige of Adam.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
		What?
		Why are you pointing at me?
unidentified		All right.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		That was a jump.
		That was a leap.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I also.
		That was a leap, Dan.
		I'm going to use my new catchphrase.
		I reject the premise.
		I don't even need to engage with this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I just mean the leap from like, obviously fallen angels don't possess people.
		They're fucking angels.
		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, don't be stupid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Demon are dead giants.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They have appetites.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They have appetites.
		And that means that science is trying to destroy the line of Adam.
		That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have two things to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One-to-one draw.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have two things to say.
		First is that anytime anybody is going through a laundry list of bullshit and then intersperses, okay, that means that they are wrong and they're an asshole.
		Then, second, I know we're clowning around, but can we take a second to give a round of applause for how great of an interviewer Jim Baker is?
		Like, chops.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He chops on this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He is asking leading questions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Stammering.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's letting the person talk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's doing great work.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's getting one word out at a time, rambling to what are the giants?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, if you say it's in the Bible twice, I don't trust you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And if you say it's in the Bible a bunch, I really don't trust you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And especially if you say it super defensively.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's in the Bible.
		It's in the Bible.
		Hey, what are you going to come at me?
		It's in the Bible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If someone says that to me, I say, I got to go.
		Thank you.
		It's been real, Jim Baker.
		It's been a delight.
		So this next clip starts with Steve starting out a question, and I say absolutely not to this question.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		And wouldn't you say to your kids, grandkids, and others coming after us in history that somebody wants you dead?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, I wouldn't say that.
		Don't scare the fucking kids.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what are we, black children?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How are you going to...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In America?
		Why would you...
		Well, nobody wants you.
unidentified		Ugh.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		You bummed me out.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		But not only do they want you dead, they want to annihilate you.
		So the word cyborg literally means in central command, the military wants to be able to plug into everybody's brains, you know, and run them.
		Literally, you won't be able to think, you know?
		General sick puppy, you know, that's the one that will probably running this program, is going to be sitting there on his keyboard or wiping his hand on the screen, and all the soldiers will respond to what he commands them to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is also further in line with Alex Jones' narrative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He should wash his hands before he wipes them on the screen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right now, we're getting the idea of these cyborg troops.
		Like Alex talks about vaccines with nanotechnology that soldiers are given and stuff like that.
		He's talked about the Chimera stuff.
		It's pretty clear Steve is responsible for a lot of Alex's beliefs.
unidentified		Is this a show about Jesus?
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Aren't we?
		Man, that's a great question.
		Are we doing the Bible?
unidentified		Is this evangelicalism or whatever?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Man, that's a great question.
		It's supposed to be.
		It's mostly about selling food.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And cyborgs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Giants.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And giants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Food, cyborgs, giants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's in the Bible, dummies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you might think that if you buy a giant, you get one bonus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They might be giants albums.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And a bucket of rice.
		You might think that America was named after Amerigo Vesbucci.
		You probably don't because you don't just think everything works in cognates like that.
		But Steve doesn't think that either, which is the one thing he's right about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		America's going to be real wrong.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Amaruka.
		And you know what it means?
		Land of the plume serpent.
		And interestingly, as we're land of the plume serpent, now the Arch Tech, Inka, and Maya, and they were the practitioners of human sacrifice.
		I mean, not only babies, everybody went on the sacrificial, but they knew that the giants who had come from the East had built their citadels.
		And it's pretty tough to get an Aztec and an Inca to build the great pyramids with basically shells and wood and stone.
		They didn't have metal or the technology.
		They didn't have metal.
		This is why it's important.
		Jesus said, you know, we're going to know the truth.
		The truth is going to set us free.
		This is the antidote, and this is a good word, for the poison that's coming out in the press to do away with humanity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this is the same trend that we see so often in Alex and in Project Camelot, this diminishing of ancient civilizations.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How could they build stuff with shells?
		They could never do that.
		Giants needed to be there to build the pyramids.
		Or they weren't pyramids.
		They were, what are they called?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean in Central America?
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The Mesoamerican pyramids, whatever it is they're called.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Most people just call them pyramids.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, but there's a different technical name for it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, I would say that, like, of the people that I've ever met in my life, met is a strong word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Of the people I'm aware of in my life, I bet Steve is probably the most likely to believe in like El Dorado.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The city of gold.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a metal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But giants built it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, giants must have built it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's actually made of their bones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why the Smithsonian Institute destroyed it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why we can't find it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Had to hide it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mystery solved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Supreme Court.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, I just, you know, that's just a classic sort of white supremacist worldview.
		You know, just the latently white supremacist.
		People who came before couldn't do shit.
		Everything else must be proof of aliens or giants in his case because these dumb people couldn't figure out.
		They had fucking metal.
		What are you talking about?
		Yeah.
		Anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's such like Marco Polo's description.
		Like all of it, like, you know, the old drawings that he had whenever he came back of people who didn't have heads or hands or feet, but they had faces in their chest.
		Like, it was all pretty much bullshit.
		He was making up most of it.
		And people bought it because it's like, I've never been there.
		He must be right.
		Like, this is all shit where the guy's like, you don't know anything about the native Aztecs, so I'm going to lie about him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think we would still be susceptible to that mentality even nowadays if one person went to Mars or something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like if one person legitimately we could prove they went to Mars and they were like, yeah, I met a bunch of weird aliens.
		Look, here's a picture of one.
		I drew it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They'd be like, well, he was there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was on Mars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it would be the same scrupulous thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you're telling the truth, but I've never been to Mars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, here, Steve says something that's really fun, and it actually is one of my – this was fun to look into.
unidentified		Okay.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		And you know who the biggest threat to the world at this point is?
		Persia.
		And Persia just announced Iran.
		Okay.
		They just announced that they have electronic warfare.
		Any military guy should know what this means.
		They can shut down everything the U.S. possesses.
		And the Russians did it the other day, again, to the Donald Cook, the most sophisticated billion-dollar warship.
		And they basically flipped the switch, and the sucker went dead in the water.
		Not the sucker.
		The ship went dead in the water.
		Probably sucker is really more accurate because if you've got a billion dollars, someone can throw the switch on you and your multiple weapons platform just goes dead in the water.
		I would guess you're a dead duck.
		Or in this case, a dead Donald Cook.
		That's the name of the ship.
		So it's critical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that a duck?
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		Michael the Archangel needed Gabriel to fight against the Prince of Persia.
		And it said the Prince of Persia.
		Persia, Iran now, said, There's nothing you have that will work against us.
		Nothing.
		That's not an idle boast.
		That's not an idle boast.
		So what do I do?
		I go, God, one more day for people to repent.
		One more day for people.
		Because we're talking about the end time harvest.
		And Jim, we're in that position now.
		And somebody was telling me that they've seen angels around this whole area, you know, meaning your perimeter and stuff.
		But God says, I'm going to send my angels, and I'm going to compel people to come in.
		I'm going to compel them.
		And those that are, quote, religious, self-righteous, and don't need Jesus, well, they've got their reward.
		They can eat each other.
		And I mean that figuratively, I hope not literally.
		That'll come later.
		But the point that I'm really trying to make is this: we are in, we're not entering in, we are in the last days.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, I don't think I'm going to need a year's worth of food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I will.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If we're already there, I think I can bang this out with six months.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Depends if you're post or pre-trib.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It depends.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you're posting, you don't need that food.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As we all know, pre-trib bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So the Archangel Michael fought against Jake Gyllenhal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, now, this is what I needed to fact-check.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't fact-check.
		I don't care about that.
		So the USS Donald Cook is a very interesting incident in American history.
		So the reality of that situation is that in 2014, what Steve Quayle is talking about, it did happen, sort of, but not at all the way he says it did.
		The USS Donald Cook was making an excursion into the Black Sea when it was buzzed overhead by multiple Russian SU-24s.
		They made a number of passes, which is absolutely not appropriate non-combat behavior.
		In hindsight, it's pretty clear this was an attempt to provoke the ship to shoot down the SU-24s and create a crisis point in the U.S.-European alliance that was standing at the time between Putin and a full-scale grab of the Ukraine.
		So that is what happened.
		This idea of the electronic shutdown of the ship is fascinating.
		This is so interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, tell me about this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So a group called the Digital Forensic Research Lab, checked them out, and they did a deep dive into.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are they legit?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as far as I can tell, they're fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They appear to be a great resource for, well, forensic examinations of where things come from.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they did some research into the claims about Donald Cook having its electronic systems disabled because this story was going around, but it also didn't happen.
		So where did the story come from?
		The DFRL found that a number of the almost identical posts on Facebook purporting to be in the form of a letter around the time in April of 2014.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think I can see where this is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the form of a letter sent by a sailor on the ship to his beloved named Mary.
		They're all clearly machine translated as they reflect very specific types of mistranslation of English and include suspicious details that lead you to a pretty decent guess as to who's writing them.
		Like, quote, we thrice cried hip-hop hurrah and prepared and prepared to show the Russians what awaits them if they raise their hand for the second half of Ukraine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we all screamed out, hip-hop hooray!
		Ho!
		Hey!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But did you catch that at the end there?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That it's like we screamed to threaten the Russians if they touched more of the Ukraine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Kind of get what's going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So all these posts link back to the entire letter, which was posted as a Russian-language opinion piece by a guy named Dmitry Sedov, which appears to have been written somewhat in the spirit of lampooning and satirizing the U.S. Navy.
		Yeah.
		Quote, Mary, you can't imagine how we were.
		We've never been so ashamed in our lives.
		Some of our boys bawled like babies.
		Other beat their heads against the equipment that wasn't working.
		The first officer drank down a whole bottle of whiskey in front of everyone and shouted, Those freaking Russians, those freaking Russian kibini, which is the technology of the EMP that's being discussed.
		And the captain was green with rage.
		In this condition, we were barely able to moor the Romanian shore.
		And right after mooring, three dozen of our guys wrote their resignation letters.
		They couldn't bear the thought that at a decisive moment our equipment could turn into crap, which they'd have to go to the bottom of the sea with.
		Right.
		So this story was picked up by the Russian state-controlled channel.
		I don't remember the name of the channel, but the show that was airing on it is called Vespi.
		And it aired the piece based, it aired a piece based on this report by Dmitry Serdov.
		They ran that in 2017.
		The piece was covered.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is three years after.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		The piece was covered by tons of foreign media, not realizing that they were either directly amplifying Russian propaganda or at least covering a satire article that no one realized was satire.
		But Steve was on Jim Baker's show in 2016, so he couldn't have learned of this version of the story from the Sun or The Times or any of the articles that came out in 2017.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he is learning this straight from the dick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has to have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to say for sure exactly where it came from, but Sputnik did put out an article on their German site claiming that they crippled the Donald Cook in April 2014.
		And this is from the DFRL.
		Quote, on April 30th, 2014, Russian state newspaper Rossiskaya Gazeta ran a long and gloating article claiming that the SU-24 had targeted the cook with the Kibini system, knocking the entire Aegis system out of action, and the ship had, quote, hurried to a Romanian port to restore its nerves.
		By November, InfoWars reported on it with the headline: Russians disable U.S.-guided missile destroyer.
		Incident skipped over by Pentagon-friendly corporate media.
		Of course, the article is pretty sympathetic to the Russian side.
		Quote, Russia has condemned the placement of NATO by NATO of a radar on the Czech Republic and 10 interceptors in Poland.
		Russia is also sending a message in the wake of the United States and NATO decision to confront it over its alleged role in the crisis in the Ukraine.
		So that was by November.
		It could have been that he got it from InfoWars, who's getting it from all of these Russian state sites.
		But the only way for that narrative to have existed before the Sun and the Times and then picked up on the story in 2017 is if he's actively trying to get news from these foreign propaganda sources.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So who's at the door?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm Steve Quayle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, Steve Quayle, you are a disgusting human being.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't say that to me or I'll sick my giant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you really?
		Oh, shit.
		Giants?
		Are they real?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I got a bunch of them waiting in the car.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, but tell me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a huge car.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's actually a very small car.
		What you didn't know.
		All giants are clowns.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're in the glove box.
		You bust it, Steve.
		Go fuck yourself, you stupid asshole.
		I loved learning that stuff, though.
		That was really interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's really interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating, the layers of it.
		And they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
		Oh, that wouldn't make sense if you read the Sun article and just didn't look into it and thought it was true.
		But then the timeline was like, oh, no, no, no, no, Steve.
		Oh, Steve.
		Oh, Steve.
		Because in 2014, they tried to push it.
		Like the propaganda outlets in Russia, like Sputnik and Rosiskaya Gazetta, they tried to push it, but no one picked up.
		No one took the bait.
		And so it didn't work.
		Then here in 2017, when they did it again, the same story when they tried to do it again, you can see the forensic fingerprints being exactly the same.
		Because The Sun and the Daily Mail, I can't remember the other ones, but other tabloid-y kind of publications picked it up.
		It snowballed from there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand why if you are doing this and if you know that it's propaganda, you don't mix up the letter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And just rewrite it in into like, for real, just turn it into a Civil War.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dearest Mary.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		We stood upon the deck of the John Cook.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, because most of these people are doing this, they don't speak English.
		So, like, a lot of it is just like, you don't have someone on that.
		You have to just automate a lot of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like you got to have somebody on that.
		You should have.
		Why are we still giving advice to propagandists?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, this just goes to show, though, realistically.
		I mean, of course, information warfare has been going on forever.
		Right.
		But this sort of like targeted approach from Russia and the figures, the people like Steve Quayle, who's a big influence on Alex Jones.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They are clearly on board with Russia already at this point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you can see from Alex's coverage of it, it's a very pro-Russian.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they're already beholden to or tricked by the manipulations that are being done.
		So it's like, I don't know.
		When everybody talks about the, like, what were they doing in 2016?
		It's like, they were already done.
		Yeah.
		They'd already done a lot.
		Yeah.
		So now let's get another commercial.
		Just get this out of our wash this out of our hair a little bit.
unidentified		All right.
		All right.
		Is that not incredible?
		That even comes with a box of heirloom seeds, which is a variety package of 20 different types of vegetables.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And you have a full garden.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whoa!
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And you can, and they replant because they're heirloom, and they just come back every year.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And it's a great double blessing.
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And then with all of the, if you get the seven years of food, then you have the seeds.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		You can just keep adding all this food and mixing together.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're growing your garden.
unidentified		You can go outside and pick from the garden, add that in, and add the rice and the multipliers in.
unidentified		And you have a major feast now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		As someone who eats mostly eggs and rice and vegetables, I would say that's not a feast.
		And if end times were coming and that was it, I would be like, great.
		Whoopty shit.
		I would not be excited about it.
		I'd be like, oh, God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Something about the way he says food makes me hate food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Food.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's like seven years of food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a.
		And.
		Hey, it's a double bonus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a double bonus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what that means.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a double blessing or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it just a regular blessing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The only reason I kept that in is because Alex Jones also sells heirloom seeds.
		Gotcha.
		Also, other things in common with Alex Jones.
		He also sells a silver solution.
		Like he's probably a colloidal silver of some kind.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, he at least shares one sponsor, literally, with Alex.
		The Alexa Pure Air Filters.
		Alex Jones, that was one of his sponsors that is a sponsor of Jim Baker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How are they doing?
unidentified		Who?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alexa Pure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're probably fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm interested to see what their business model is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm guessing there's not a lot of taint on them.
		Yes, because they probably just sell through them.
		They're just like wholesalers.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so they don't be like, I don't support them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We just, you know, we just mark down a little bit and let them take a cut.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What do we do?
		Right.
		We sell filters.
unidentified		Come on, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're not going to bite the hand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We haven't heard the Alexa Pure person come on Alex's show and do limericks yet.
		Right.
		So until then, we'll give them a pass.
		So here is another harsh similarity with Alex, the rhetoric coming out of this clip.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And all of these things are happening.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I was so shocked when Tom Horne told me that in every single state, they are experimenting with hybrid human beings.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't worry about who Tom Horne is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's just another Tom.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't worried about Tom Horne.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		With human societies.
		And yet, you can't put a Christmas tree in town square.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just not if it's government property.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		But nobody's stopping those who are doing experiments on humans.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		It's because the people that are making war on Christians want them absolutely destroyed.
		See, this is something that the Christians don't understand.
		We've been given power through the Holy Spirit.
		Nobody talks about that anymore.
		Very few, okay?
		There is no way to deal with this stuff in the natural.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about exorcisms?
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		You've got a left hand or right hand.
		Left hand, you've got to prep.
		You've got to have your power, your food, your water critical, okay?
		The ability to defend yourself.
		And by the way, I'm a guy that preaches on the radio.
		Every woman, that every woman should be armed.
		They should get a concealed weapons permit because I'm going to make sure that the last breath out of my mouth, no woman is brutalized by the people that are being brutalized, raped, murdered in Europe, okay?
		And no one says anything.
		A lot of those are our brethren.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was doing so good for me.
		No, he wasn't.
		He had the, I don't want women to be hurt.
		He was doing great.
		And then he said that in Europe, and you're like, oh, now I get what you're doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now we see that you're on that side.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now I get what you're doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're in that fear camp.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That propaganda.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Now you're showing your anti-Muslim colors.
		And you already kind of showed by talking about being afraid of Persia.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that one I got.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just the insistence on still calling it Persia is like, come on, don't be a dick, dude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The similarity to Alex always going on and on about how we need to arm women is also similar.
		And again, I'm like, I don't give a shit.
		Women want guns, let them have it.
		But I'm not going to jack off about it.
		You know what I'm saying?
		I'm going to let them have the choice to have guns.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine with women only having guns.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm pro-choice with women having guns.
		The other thing in there was the, like, you know, you need to have your right and your left hand.
		You know, you have your left hand, but you have your prepping and your.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You've got your years' worth of food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		By the way, double bonus this year.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also, I would say it's a fitting metaphor because generally you can only use one hand.
		You know, most people aren't ambidextrous.
		You've got one hand that's good, and the other hand is kind of a waste for the most part.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so, you know, all that prepping stuff is largely a waste.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I get it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Have your right hand do something else.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I see what you're doing now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's just my metaphor.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This shows your left-handed bias.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You hate left-handed people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sinister ass.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why did you do that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why did you force people when you were growing up?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, because that ends up right with their right hand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because in that case, like, I would argue then that your right hand is useless if you're a left-handed person.
		Everyone should have one hand.
		That's what I'm saying.
		I said it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's in the Bible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's in the Bible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I fucking said it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's in the Bible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to stand on this rock.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it should be attached to a tail as you scurry into the water.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And try and drag people down and eat their eyeballs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One hand is all you need.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Imagine whatever day of the week it is, the power goes down.
		All banking ceases.
		What if it's going to use their APM cards?
		They don't work.
		They go to pump gas.
		There's no gas.
		Because you can't pump it with no power.
		Then they say, well, and the emergency broadcast station comes on.
		Due to unforeseen circumstances, a cyber attack on our infrastructure, they're going to generate the problem that they will provide the solution for.
		It's called the Hegelian dialectic.
		And then we will be brought under the control.
		Remember this.
		It's all about control.
		It's all about control.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All the same messages being put out synchronized, essentially, throughout all of this world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why are they making me nostalgic for the horrible Christianity that I was raised in?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, oh, well, at least they fucking talked about the Bible or some shit whenever I was growing up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is about cyborgs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You remember when I figured out what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I would go the other direction.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think I might have the cyborgs more.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I feel like a piece of that is actually what kind of got me a little bit, what I was saying.
		You know, like about watching this.
		I'll explain exactly what happened, like, towards the end of it, because there's a clip that plays into it.
		But there is a piece of it that, yeah, it does make me harken back to my religious days.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, some things were easier, but that's because I was a kid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a wistfulness that watching this evoked in me that I'm very uncomfortable with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's so strange.
		I wildly prefer people believing weird shit and then holding snakes instead of them being like, you know, the government's making chimeras.
		Like, oh, all right, all right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, let me sell you potatoes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck off.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because you know why?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This guy believes people holding snakes seem sincere.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a part of it that's like, you're crazy, but I think you mean it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You mean it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's this, like, it's so see-through.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, Steve, I think, is not that smart.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, very much no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And couldn't cut it as a scholar and anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or a science fiction writer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And to be fair, I don't know if I could either, so I'm not like, I'm not criticizing him too harshly, but I probably couldn't make it as a scholar, neither could he.
		He decided to take a little bit of a shortcut, which is reading up on mythologies and stuff like that and trying to find ways to piece together things and pretend shit's real, put out a bunch of stupid-ass books, and then start screaming about government depression and what have you.
		Link yourself up with the right wing real hard and then start selling gold.
		Because he has a gold sale operation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course he does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he has a gold sales.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't he?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He sells gold.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just good diversifying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if Jim Baker does, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet he does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet he does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet he doesn't say he does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet that's the situation with him.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		So, hey, man, I know that you think chimeras don't belong in church, but a man who's dead now heard me on the radio years ago, and he said, I want you to know he verified who he was, and he said, I have seen human being, animal hybrids, in cages, crying out, help me, I'm a human.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For those listening, Jordan took his headphones off and had to back away from the table.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet you, Bob.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fuck these people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck these fucking people.
		Fuck these fucking fuck these fucking.
		Look, I was against the death penalty for a long time.
		I was against the death penalty for a long time.
		But there are a lot of people that need to die.
		That's fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure, Steve.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucked up.
		Why do they pull this shit?
		Because we have regular people in cages right now, and they're not treating them like human beings.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Why is this so fucked up, Dan?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What the goddamn ever-living fuck!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Neighbors.
unidentified		God!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to tell you, but.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
		Oh, fuck this fucking guy.
		Fuck this fucking fuck all these fucking people.
		Fuck all of these fucking people who are going to prey on your fucking fears of people being in cages and then watch people go into fucking cages.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		These aren't people in cages.
		These are chimeras in cages who are saying that they're human.
		Maybe they are or maybe they aren't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you can't trust them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You should trust them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, he's not going to make the argument that they're demons or anything.
unidentified		Wait, he's not?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's like, look at how terrible it is that they're doing this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's taking a sympathetic approach to the chimera.
		I'm sorry.
		I'm right on board with you, and I appreciate your passion.
		And I agree with your sentiment entirely as well, but you've got to compartmentalize this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about fucking people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about fish people with sad human looks on their face.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's very clearly expressing something that he claims someone told him that Alex now relates as a first-hand story on his show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very clear that Steve is the genesis of that story about fish-faced chimera beings in cages.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but somebody told Steve.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he confirmed who it was, though he won't tell you or confirm to you who it was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's dead now, so it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he's dead now, so you don't even need to worry about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Somebody told him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's very credible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, this is by no means considered hearsay in a court of law.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I could absolutely prove this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I actually do know that World News Daily Report had an article about how the Supreme Court actually said that they needed to reveal the fish people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Superior court decision.
		I don't know.
		I'm starting back at the beginning of this clip because you got so mad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I was mad.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		I heard me on the radio years ago, and he said, I want you to know.
		He verified who he was, and he said, I have seen human beings, animal hybrids, in cages, crying out, help me, I'm a human.
		And he said, look, and this guy made this statement.
		Okay, he made it to me, and I've talked about it on the radio.
		He said, I am an assassin.
		I did that.
		And by the way, he sent his son to Bible school, even though he was the most profane man I've ever met.
		But he said, even as hard as he was.
		He's talking about Alex when you see a human-animal hybrid that was once strictly human, and people say they can't do that.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		If you see it in the headline, Tom Horne says they're doing it in all states and all countries.
unidentified		They are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They don't get back to the rebuttal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can't do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tom Horne says they're doing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In every state.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In every state and in every country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pick a country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Angola.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Doing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Burkina Faso.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know where that is, but they're doing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sub-Saharan Africa, the capital of Wagadougou.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know we've had this discussion many times.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Madagascar.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Madagascar?
		Actually, they are doing it there, though.
		But that's because Madagascar is a whole great study on evolution and island nations and how you can see the flowering of certain species that would go instinct in otherwise places.
		And it's fantastic.
		Also, most of those species are half-human.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That Chris Rock David Schwimmer movie was actually a documentary.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All those animals in Madagascar were chimeras.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that makes sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why they were able to talk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
		This is all.
		Chris Rock has been in on it the whole time.
		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bigger and more chimera.
unidentified		Whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's one of those things.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On the show, there's another guy who's a guest.
		His name is David Lankford.
		He's a preacher, but he is mostly silent while Steve Quayle steamrolls over everybody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As God intended.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he gets to say a little bit here.
		And this is fucking so laughable.
		Put your mic down for this because it's a little subtle.
unidentified		He's telling you to get prepared, folks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about Jesus.
unidentified		God, folks.
		And as a former pastor, I've passed for 27 years.
		I am so tired of these pantywaist pastors who won't preach anything, say anything, who won't do anything, and they're only concerned about being politically correct.
		And all they want, all they want, is your money.
		And Brother Baker, I didn't know this until in prayer one day.
		The denominations, God's done with them.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
unidentified		He's done with them.
unidentified		He's brought us out of the harlot.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		They could kill you over that.
unidentified		That's okay.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Or I just want to warn you.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they just laugh a bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Man, I love a guy as a guest on Jim Baker's show saying all these PC preachers just want your money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		These preachers just want your money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But again, this reflects.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why you can't trust the mega churches, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All the mega churches.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not where you're going.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not where you can find God.
		You can't find God on the megachurches.
		You find it within InfoWars.
		That's where you find it.
		You can't trust those mega churches asking for your money.
		By the way, you can get a year's worth of food for only $600.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or when you talk about mega churches, you don't get more mega than this guy who has built a city around his commune in the Ozarks, like in the middle of Missouri.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has a P.O. box in Branson because his church is too far away.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's essentially an apocalyptic cult that's funny.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those prosperity gospel guys, though, they own multiple jets.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those guys are rich as well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying it's a matter of actual poundage of money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a matter of poundage of food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly.
		We're going to get to that here in a fucking second.
		But it's more about he's created a world.
		Like, whereas a lot of these mega church people, they get in and get out and then go about their lavish lifestyles and live in mansions and like God-fearing people.
		Right, and they have their jets and whatever.
		They have the extravagant lifestyle that their mega church affords them.
		But I don't, I think, from everything I can tell, Jim Baker seems to like have a commune.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if he lives there all the time, but it would be stupid if he didn't.
		Because, like I said, Lori's house is giant.
		This stuff that he's building there are giant, huge man.
		Like, it's crazy.
		Like, if you have the money to do this and live in a mansion somewhere else, I don't even want to consider it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, why would he live anywhere else?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He lives in the only place where he's worshipped regularly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And safe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If he went anywhere else, people would be like, ha ha ha, you're an asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or kick his ass.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people who probably are really mad at him for defrauding them.
		Ripping them off and stuff like that.
		And I imagine that he probably a situation where the Ozarks are where you can hide to some extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I told you we're going to get to poundage of food.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How much poundage of food are we going to do?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, real quick, I don't know if I fully fleshed this out, but that last clip where the guy is talking about these other PC preachers, they just want your money and that stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That again harkens back to another of Alex's main rhetorical tactics, which is accuse people of what you're doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good strategy in order to deflect criticism of yourself.
		When you're very obviously running a scam, accuse people of running a scam.
		Especially people who have nothing to do with what you're doing, just other preachers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's preemptively saying, I'm rubber in your glue.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's Niener Niener.
		Yeah.
		So now we get to the poundage.
		In this clip, Jim Baker sort of insinuates that if you don't buy his food, you'll be forced to take the mark of the beast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then the shit gets weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At the end of this clip, man, I gasped.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do we have any Yelp reviews for his food?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but I might be able to look them up during this clip.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		For instance, I've got a granddaughter who's three.
		I've got a grandson who's about three months.
		And I've got nieces and nephews here now.
		And if they're crying, and I keep saying this, but nobody wants to hear me.
		But I'm going to check you again.
		If I have no food and they're crying, what am I going to do?
		What am I going to do if little Olivia, who is the joy of my heart, you all say, well, I'm strong.
		I'm not going to turn.
		I'm not going to turn away from God.
		I won't take the mark of the beast.
		All right.
		I'll believe that when I see it.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Amen.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		But why?
		Sure.
		You know, my home is filled with food.
		I have enough food for years and years.
		And I have millions of meals here at Morningside.
		And don't even think about coming to steal my food.
unidentified		Weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's where I gasped.
unidentified		Weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I couldn't quite tell what the guy said, but it wasn't good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was something like, come on, man.
unidentified		I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What was that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's like, don't even try.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't even think about coming to steal my food.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why would I?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was the last thing on the stage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, why wouldn't I if I was hungry?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You seem weak as shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're old.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I could take your food so fast.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		Well, preach that again, Jim, please.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why I say don't come to the hills.
steve quayle ▲ ● ▼		No, believe me, everyone.
unidentified		No, but it's kind of hard and ready.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Laurie is like, everyone here has guns.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are.
		I mean, you thought Waco was bad.
		We'll burn everybody down.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, NPR, I found a review of the food article called Apocalypse Chow, where they tried.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, NPR.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, NPR.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's pull it back a bit.
		I'll just read to you from the article.
		This is blind.
		I don't know if this is going to be a good review or a bad one.
		Here at NPR, we tried the creamy potato soup, macaroni elbows, and cheese powder, and the chicken noodle soup.
		And of course, we had to test the chocolate pudding for dessert.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotta.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Save for the pudding, the dishes were extremely salty and had odd, lingering aftertastes.
		We couldn't agree on which was worse, the thick potato soup that felt like eating wet cement, the strong chemical overtones of the chocolate pudding, or the disturbing radioactive orange of the macaroni and cheese.
		Pro tip, do not make the mistake we made of adding more cheese than the recipe calls for.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like that's on NPR.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Once again, liberals ruined everything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A chef's review.
		Quote, it's awful.
		It's trash.
		Greg Lauro, a chef who lives and works in Brooklyn, New York, tells the salt.
		In a November video for Sployd, Lauro cooks and taste tests several dishes from Baker's survivalist bucket.
		Italian marinara, the potato soup, black bean burgers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Italian marinara is apocalypse food?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Black bean burgers, stroganoff, and chocolate pudding.
		They taste, he says, like, quote, paper-mâché, quote, a bathroom at a bar at the end of the night in a college town, and simply one of the worst things I've ever eaten in my life.
		Frank Davis is the founder of Food for Health International, one of the two companies that manufacture the food for the Jim Baker show.
		He takes issue with Lauro's brutal critique of survival.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		According to him, these dishes are actually quite tasty, especially when you consider that they could last up to 40 years when stored in ideal basement-like conditions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hunger is the best spice to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, it's not crucial not to use anything that could go rancid, like animal fats.
		Or it's crucial not to use anything like that.
		Even though animal fats make a cheaper and more flavorful base, there's no way that will work.
		We use a vegetarian base.
		But, as NPR notes, not all products are vegetarian.
		Many, like the Instant Potatoes, have rendered chicken fat.
		The creamy stroganoff ingredients list a vegetarian beef base.
		Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
		It's off.
		This is the chef again, Lauro.
		It's off-pudding that Baker is trying to sell this stuff on its taste when it doesn't look or taste anything like he advertises.
		So there's that.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you're buying a year's worth of food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or seven.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not going to taste good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just.
		That's just.
		I mean, if you're already predisposed to buying a year's worth of food, I don't think taste is big on your list of priorities.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like that's a little bit unfair.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because the point of this food is you haven't been able to eat, and you won't be able to eat anything else.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you're just looking for calorie mush, then go for it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this seems fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
		Agreed.
		I would say that he's not marketing food as food.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's using these tricks and this fear in order to sell the food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's actually, there's one interesting clip from one of his commercials on this episode that I found jarring, and it was because it's so indicative of every, I mean, it's just standard telemarket or televangelist shit, but it was just like, ugh.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		So do it today.
		Well, you know, we don't know what the future brings, but we can be ready for the future.
		So this is the day that I believe God's been speaking to you to call and to do it, and you haven't done it.
		But I believe that God is really speaking to someone to be prepared.
		And if you haven't even started, maybe today is the day you need to order that seven years of food.
		You'll not be disappointed if you prepare.
		We have to get back to our program right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you gotta get back to the program.
		I will say they have one commercial for a product that I was like, I mean, that's out of my price range, but that's pretty cool.
		They have a generator, like a fuel-less generator that they sell for like $3,000.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it looks really cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A fuel-less generator?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, because what you can do is you can hook it up to solar panels.
		So it comes with a couple solar panels you can hook up to the back.
		And it's apparently, allegedly, it charges in two hours with solar panels.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's other ways to power it.
		Like, if you can find an outlet, you can charge it and it remotes charge.
		But it has like USB ports.
		It has like, you know, for phones and stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's actually great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's got a bunch of places.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because that works.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want one of those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I'm looking at that not as a doomsday thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, that's good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's just useful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A smaller version of that would be amazing for like camping.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I'm just looking at that.
		I'm like, you know what?
		I'd forgotten that generators have probably come a long way since I've ever considered it.
		It wasn't even the product they're selling.
		It's like, damn, I might need a generator.
		Multiple outlets on it is pretty, that's a pretty cool thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Good old.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		USB ports?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now I really want a generator.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At this point, we get to some fear, and then we will power out of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We will wrap up with something terrifying.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		That in the last days, you will have to defend if the gangs are going to take in the city.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		You don't even want to live in the city.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I want to tell you something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sunnyside.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		I would buy a condo or a house or a cave or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cave.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		Morningside or a farm.
		I could buy a farm somewhere.
		I'd get away from the cities.
		I want to tell you, one minute after the cities go crazy, one minute after the power goes out, they're going to be burning the cities.
		And the gangs, you don't understand the gangs.
		I lived in prison with them.
		I want to tell you something.
		They're going to take what they want.
		And if Grandma is holding a roast turkey in her hand and they want it on it, they'll cut grandma's head off and take the turkey.
		They don't have mercy.
		When people are hungry and then they're not converted, they're going to take what they want.
		It will be hell on earth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jesus allows you to not feel hunger.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, I'm not, I mean, sure, certainly hypothetical gang members that are certainly using racist fear to depict.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was there in prison.
		Yes, I have a swastika tattooed on my ass, but I did that to survive.
		You don't understand the gangs move out to Sunnyside.
		I'm selling condos.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was in free Nazi tattoos for everyone.
		I was in a prison cell with Lyndon LaRouche.
		What kind of gangs were you dealing with when you were in a fucking prison cell?
		You two rich old con men in a minimum security prison.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What kind of fucking gangs were you in there?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're just trying to lend yourself some stupid credibility.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Worst gangs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, the idea that, I mean, he's just using classic racist fear, basically.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The marauding.
		Oh, yeah.
		The marauding minorities and gangs coming in seven days.
		Everyone will eat each other.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everyone will eat each other.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's the thing I want to say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's great if a gang wants to behead your grandma for a turkey or a chicken or whatever you're saying, a roast chicken.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think she's probably better tasting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I will say, actively, what Jim Baker does as a career is talking that old woman into giving away her turkey or chicken.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is just using a different tactic in order to get the exact same thing that the gangs do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He uses emotional manipulation, fear of religious shit that's all made up, and apparently giants in order to trick grandma into selling, sending what she can't afford to send.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		These gangs will use the threat of violence to take your grandmother's turkey, and I will only use the threat of the threat of violence to take your grandmother's turkey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am a good man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, the only way that actually makes sense is like, don't buy my food.
		Buy a home in my community where I have millions of meals.
		That's the only way this makes sense.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because then you're safe in his apparently everyone has guns, well-armed food den.
		I don't know.
		I hate this guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is so weird.
		I am feeling so many terrible.
		Like, legitimately, I am offended as the 10-year-old Christian boy that I was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even then, you would have been like, come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, right now, I believe that Christianity is the fucking worst.
		And organized religion is killing all of us.
		But for some reason, like, there's that, there's that, like, no matter how old you grow or how your opinions change, like, there's that 10-year-old part of you that was raised that you're never going to be able to scrub completely away.
		And 10-year-old me is like, this is a terrible interpretation of the Bible.
		You are spitting on Jesus' face, and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
		And when the time comes, you will burn in hell for eternity, Jim Baker.
		And the only reason that you would do this shit is if you knew 100% that God wasn't real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The way he behaves is so cynical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Even for us, it's brutal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand how you get to that moral place.
unidentified		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it sucks because a lot of the victims are probably well-meaning people who aren't that cynical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're all well-meaning.
		They can be cynical.
		Well, no, you're right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're right, right.
		Some of them are probably dumb.
		But there's a lot of people who, like, I know that my grandma buys a lot of stuff off like QVC or did.
		I'm not sure if she still does, but like, I would get these horrible, stupid Christian gifts that she would send.
		Like, two years in a row for Christmas or my birthday, I can't remember which.
		She sent me a book that was a tour guide to heaven.
		And it was just about like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Same book?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, both of them.
		Oh, boy.
		But it was written in the structure of as if it was a hotel that you were going to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so you open it up and it's like, are the streets really paved in gold?
		Yes.
		And I was like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So it didn't even bother to disabuse you of your bullshit notions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was like, all right, cool, cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I know that she had to have gotten that somewhere, and it's the same thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But she didn't meet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		She wasn't trying to con me into being really good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		She had the best intentions, although misguided, of like, I believe we're going to go to hell if you don't do these right things, and I don't want you to go to hell.
		And she, you know, acted out on it poorly.
		But the people on the next level, the people selling the books that are used as unfortunate gifts, are all conning the people below them.
		And I think that's actually the case with almost every church, quite frankly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would agree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think the lower down you get, the more sincere things probably are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The higher up people kind of realize that this is a business.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's fascinating to me because it is something that they themselves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're probably not Unitarians.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, they seem pretty chill.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know enough about it.
		I know the idea of like, hey, everybody's cool seems like it's tough to make money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, even in my small town, there was a church that had the that had in my small town growing up.
		I had two world-rocking events in the Christian community.
		One.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nugent came to town.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		First woman pastor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everybody talking about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is quite.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everybody talking about it.
		Five years later.
		Lesbian pastor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whole town went apes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, this is cultural Marxism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whole town went apes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the slippery slope of subjectivism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that's the thing.
		To me, Christianity exemplifies the worst thing, and that's the thing that they argue and that you bitch about all the time, which is the idea that it is the smart versus the dumb.
		Like, that's what Christians always fight against.
		Like, that's the idea.
		You can't go to college.
		You can't go to the colleges because they're fighting against you.
		It's the smart versus the dumbbell.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to change you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're trying to turn you into them.
		And they're using the fact that you're not capable, really, of looking past this because you're dumb.
		You're dumb.
		That's what it is.
		And that lesbian pastor, that exemplifies to me believing, like, actually believing.
		Because if you are a lesbian and you believe in Christianity, fuck, you got to believe it, man.
		You got to believe that shit's real.
		True, true.
		Otherwise, damn, you are aligning yourself with the entire organ that's trying to murder you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's, that's, that's, because that's what this is.
		It's the smart versus the dumb.
		It's Jim Baker knowing that you're too stupid to see through this shit.
		And if you had even the slightest modicum of critical thinking skills, you would look at this and go, wow, is that dumb?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's the same thing with Alex Jones, which is why he always says they think you're stupid.
unidentified		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the same thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He knows he's playing on those same insecurities and those same deep-seated feelings that people have of not wanting to be dumb.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And most people aren't as dumb as a lot of people think, I guess.
		I don't know.
		I have no idea how to make a broad generalization.
		But I do know that we're about to meet another employee of Jim Baker Industries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he going to sing a song?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I wish.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I did not find a song.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He didn't find any worse songs?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but this, we meet someone who, I got to say, looks like she's 14.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think she is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
		That's actually a really important question that I have.
		Before you continue.
		I'm so sorry to interrupt you again.
		I know you're trying to get into a clip and I'm doing that thing where I interrupt you right before you get into a clip.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because I just had a thought that came from your.
		I'm sorry.
		Is the music any good?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You know what?
		Here's the thing.
		The videos that they put out don't often have the band playing in it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Then what the fuck's the point?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, you just need to hear Steve talk about giants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck is the point?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that the music is exactly as good as that end time song.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have different perspectives on it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying the only reason that church is even redeemable is because the music is fucking intense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not true.
		When I was in my youth group, oh, no, that's a whole different story.
		They had a praise band.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's the worst thing that's ever happened.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With drums, guitar, bass, all that stuff.
		It was just sort of a vehicle for the, I guess he's probably like 20-something-year-old music leader to be the front man of a band.
		And so they did covers of like Meet Virginia.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I don't understand how this is a Christian song.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand what this is doing in church, but we loved it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You just described it.
		Every youth pastor in this entire fucking country.
		Except you didn't add in that he was guilty of sexually abusing children.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not the youth pastor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the youth music leader.
unidentified		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was the second in command to be the actual youth pastor.
		Oh, Shane.
		Shane was the youth pastor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Shane, name him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember his last name.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, fuck Shane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		But the other one they do is Jumper.
		Wish we would step back from that name.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did the same thing when I was in the youth group or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They did the same bullshit covers.
unidentified		Of course.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like there might have been some sort of a worldwide religious summit that got together and they're like, these are the songs that are okay to cover.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Time of Your Life?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everywhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Didn't have that one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everywhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We didn't do that.
		I think that my guy, I can't remember his name now, the music guy.
		But I think he probably thought the Green Day was too hard or something like that.
		He's like, I don't want to sing Time of Your Life or Good Riddance, as it were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, no, you can't sing Good Riddance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the same song.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a different song.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Same song.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Parentheses time of Grid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if you do that, then you run the risk of the kids finding more Green Day stuff, and then maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They'll find out what the word Dookie means.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		But then it's totally fine to have Train.
		I don't know.
		Third Eyebrow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Third Eye Bar.
		Train?
		Which song was Train?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Me Virginia.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, was that the one?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the one where it was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Drops of Jupiter?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Drops of Jupiter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was Train.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was another big hit.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Meet Virginia, I think, was their first hit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now we meet this employee.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		There's Giovanna.
		Giovanna's in the audio.
		Smile.
		You're Lori's favorite employee.
		I tell you what.
		Lori.
		You, girl.
unidentified		Yeah.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And she ain't going to see her.
		Would you take care of her?
		She doesn't have a microphone there, but she's audio.
		And would you say that you're an Alaskan or are you a hillbilly now?
unidentified		I'm definitely an Alaskan.
jim bakker ▲ ● ▼		And Alaska.
		So you know, if you were up there with your mom and dad, no matter what happened, you would survive, right?
		See, and nobody's going to say, oh, you stupid family.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, they wouldn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So then her parents.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, don't tell me her parents are there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Her parents are there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why are her parents there?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Very specific reason.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll get to a specialist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't tell me they live there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but we'll get to the very specific reason in a second.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just like her response, which might as well have been like, I'm not playing your game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is a job.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, She's nervous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, she looks like she's 14.
		She's not.
		I know that for another reason that I'll explain in a moment.
		Oh, okay, okay.
		But so the parents are there.
		And after this, Jim gets into like a living in Alaska.
		You'd probably kill a moose.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How many pounds of meat is that moose?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and this is going to turn into, guess what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not as many pounds as the potatoes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not really, but he's riffing around with this guy about killing moose and living in Alaska and how it's a subsistence kind of lifestyle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like that at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's just more like trying to reinforce in different non-directly sales ways the idea of needing to survive.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now the reason that she is there and they talk to her and she's Lori's favorite employee and her parents are there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is kind of rapey now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are because the show ends with a video package about her and her wait.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mike down.
unidentified		I think the exciting thing about my daughter being in this program is really the personalities.
		It's really the people that have connected with her, have invested into her, have really given the time and the effort and the experience and sewn into her those things that she's now using.
		That I knew if I stayed home or if I went anywhere else, I would be unsatisfied.
		And knowing that this, if I did anything else, I wouldn't be fulfilling the calling that that had for me.
		So she came here with some experience behind the camera, some desire and interest in that, and found out that really her niche is audio.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this goes on for a long time, and that music swells, and at the end, man, it is kicking in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is what really got me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That swelling music over the dad and the daughter talking about having a good time in life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, this is an ESPN 30 for 30 of a tennis player or whatever it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Man, it got to me.
		Do you understand what's going on here?
		Jim Baker is straight up charging people to indoctrinate their children, teach them how to use specific technology that his show uses, then turn them into employees under the guise of something he calls Morningside School of Media.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		He's running a scam college.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, buddy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The moment I heard her voice, you can look at my notes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The first thing I wrote was, this is fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very fucked up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You continued on, and now I am furious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's so funny.
		What?
		She looks like she's 14, 15, 16.
		It's tough for me to tell, but I do know that from the website, he doesn't allow anyone under 18 into the Morningside School of Media.
		So at Morningside, this is from their description.
		At Morningside School of Media, you'll receive hands-on training from some of the best and brightest minds in broadcasting.
		Exclamation point.
		As you work alongside them to produce a nationally syndicated television show, you'll be learning how to use high-definition cameras, state-of-the-art audio equipment, and professional editing software to create content that airs on the PTL television network and the Jim Baker show.
		This hands-on approach will, oh boy.
		This is a cut and paste here, and it says, will you a one-of-a-kind experience that cannot be found in any book?
		It can be found in a book.
		It can be found at real schools.
		Also, I find it not to be an education when it's just send your kids here, we'll give them a bed, and then you can watch, they can watch us create the show and then eventually become the people who create the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's actually less of a scam than a lot of regular college people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not accredited.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not saying it's accredited, but I spent my very first semester in college was in audio production.
		If it were that, it would be less of a scam than it was.
		It was a scam.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that you can't learn some skills from this, but you'll have no degree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, what you should do is just go to a audio production facility and just volunteer at a radio station and learn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But there's a lot of, like, look, it's very clear to me that what we have here is a Peter Pan situation where there's the lost children that come in, and they're the ones making the show.
		You will see, like, there's a cutaway that goes to the booth when he's talking to her as Lori's favorite employee.
		It just looks like there's kids working the booth.
		It looks like he just has a child army that's running the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could argue that's more of a Peter Piper situation than Peter Pan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Peter Payne because she looks 14 and is clearly 20.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't want to grow up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the Morningside School of Media costs $5,500 a year, and it's a two-year program.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's cheaper than what I spend.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That lets Jim a cool $11,000 per student that comes through his doors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The FAQ about the school specifically states that when the FAQ specifically says this when discussing why they don't offer grants or scholarships at all.
unidentified		Oh?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what is the FAQ's answer about this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, I am very curious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, almost every student who will come to Morningside School of Media will have a different story of how God provided for them financially.
		Many of the support stories truly are miracles.
		And for that reason, we agree with you in prayer that if God has called you, he will support the finances for the school year.
		Also, as a general rule, we do not offer payment plans and also tuition is not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We do take American Express.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Tuition is not tax deductible.
unidentified		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Non-refundable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, if you're looking for a fun college experience, don't come and knock in at Morningside.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can get kicked out for swearing, smoking, or using, quote, sexual innuendo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Non-refundable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pornography is completely forbidden.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Non-refundable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not allowed to have a job while you're there studying, in quotes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Non-refundable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They consider it to be a 24-7 commitment to be in this school of media.
		Also, cult.
		Also, also a big thing to consider.
		Unless you're on Verizon, you probably won't be able to contact the outside world because Sprint and ATT do not reach.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's on the fact?
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It says they have a Verizon tower nearby, so if you're on Verizon, you'll probably be okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if you're on the other ones, people have had problems with getting a signal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Side note, we do not allow Suprint or we do not allow Verizon customers to join this group.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a weird postscript.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a weird postscript, but for some reason, not being able to contact the outside world is a feature and not a bug.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is indoctrination.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, this is absolutely a cult.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was really, really scared of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is Scientology.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was really, really, really scared of it when I saw her because I thought she was a child.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And knowing that she went at 18 makes it a little different, but it's still super fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The other thing is that the boys and girls that come to the school have to stay separately.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's a given.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I already assumed that a long time ago.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But now we find out what Lori's house is actually for.
		It's for housing these kids that come.
		It's not really about abortions or pregnancies.
		I don't think she's helping anyone in crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a dorm.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Crisis pregnancy.
		She made a dorm.
		She made a dorm for these girls who come so they don't end up in co-ed situations where there's temptation.
unidentified		Oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, because if you fuck, you figure out that God's not real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or if you smoke or you drink.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or if you smoke.
		If you say fuck while fucking, that's double.
		That's a double blessing, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Double blessing.
		It's like an heirloom scene.
		So, Jordan, that brings us to the end of our investigation, our primary.
		Because we're going to go back to looking at the media.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're going to go to Jim Baker for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that brings us to the end of our dipping our toe into the waters of Jim Baker.
		And I'd like to ask you, what do you feel now that we've come to the end?
		Because I know why I did this.
		Yeah.
		But I'm wondering what you're coming away with it from it with.
		Is it the same as I intended, that sort of thing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am coming away with it with a newfound knowledge of my fucked up upbringing and how it still affects me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But most importantly, I am thinking about how If we were to talk about Alex in the present day, the thing that is getting to me is that there's only one reaction that you can have.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is turn it off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just like it's cancerous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's only one way to respond to that.
		We can no longer.
		I'm not saying that we can never do a present-day Alex episode again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me put it to you this way in a way that maybe you'll find to be not true or whatever, but it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not giving me many options up top, but continue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love spicy stuff.
		I love really spicy stuff.
		Okay.
		So, like, I've got these ghost pepper sauces, and I enjoy them.
		Well, most people don't.
		Most people do not enjoy them and they find them intolerable.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is Alex Jones before.
		I find it tolerable.
		Most people can't listen to it, but I think there's some value in experiencing it.
		I can do it, and I can tell you about what the sauce is like, and you can experience it on a second-hand level.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And together we can make it entertaining on a third-hand level.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or however.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But there are other things that are like, there are sauces that are gross, and they're too hot.
		Ones that are like five, six million Scoville minutes or whatever.
		The ones that are just like, what's the fucking point of this?
		Don't eat that.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Alex Jones is like jamming those spices into your fucking eyes and rubbing them around until you're blind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the present, he is like putting a scotch bonnet up your butthole.
		Yeah.
		There's no reason to engage with it at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing to engage with.
		No.
		There's really the only response at this point is like as, and thank God for the heroes who keep doing it, but the only response to these people now is get the fuck out.
		If Sarah Huckabee Sanders is in your restaurant, tell her to get the fuck out.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If Alex is anywhere near you, tell them to get the fuck out.
		Maybe we can talk later after all this shit is over.
		But for now, get the fuck out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Listening to this, though, now I'm back on the like, let's have fun talking about con men.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		These people are evil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But Jim Baker is dumb evil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jim Baker is dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb evil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's fairly dumb, but then there's also the like lust for money overpowers decorum.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So like he doesn't know how to not make it obvious he's trying to con you into buying potatoes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he doesn't need to.
		Most of the time, it's a calculus that people do, and I think Alex has done it with white nationalism to a certain extent.
		Like Jim Baker does it, I'm sure not him, but some employee does a little bit of math and they figure out, all right, 80% of the people who watch this are going to watch and be like, ha ha, look at this asshole.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then turn it off.
		But the 20% of people, maybe 5% of that 20%, are going to end up buying stuff.
		So who cares if you make it overt?
		If you make it overt, you're not going, even if you're subtle about it, you're not going to trick that 80% anyway.
		Who gives a shit?
		Let them go, focus on that 5% of the 20%, and to a certain extent, the 20% as a whole, and that's what it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which will then make money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The fact that the 20% exists as a community will only make the 5% more likely.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They'll feel guilt about the other 15%.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We need to keep this going for them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's a social pressure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's a whole thing.
unidentified		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think Alex has done that more with bigotry than his sales because I think his sales are on a fucking much lower level than Jim's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And somehow the Democratic Party has not figured out how to do that with progressives.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not easy to con people into doing the right thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
		Somehow they're trying, though, to con people into not doing the right thing.
		That's the weird thing about the Democratic Party right now.
		They're really trying hard.
		I'm actually, and now I'm interested to see how Ortez did in the special in the primary for the 14th District of New York.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll know once this episode is over and out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm interested to find out how that goes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad that this was fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This was fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jim Baker is a hoot.
		There are a lot of other people who are on my sort of radar, but there aren't as many people who have frequent content.
		You know, like Alex Jones puts shit out every day.
		He puts out a couple things a week.
		You know, these people are people who give.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got to give them that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got to give props where it's due.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's lots of content.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They produce content.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then there's people who are like, like Mike Cernovich does tons of stuff on Periscope, and I'm sure you can find those audio and video streams to go over.
		That doesn't seem as fun.
		But if anybody out there, if you have other ideas of people who we might have overlooked, certainly send an email, send a message to us.
		Hopefully, maybe we'll give it a look.
		But for now, I'm excited to expand and talk cons.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Because, man, with Jim Baker, it's just so fucking pathetic.
		It's just such money-grubbing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's nothing.
		That's what.
		Like, that's what really fascinates me about these prosperity gospel guys and these Jim Bakers of the world, where it's like, wow, you have nothing.
		You believe if you take religion and you take the ultimately kind-hearted belief that life is about being kind to others.
		Life is about serving a power that asks you to do what's best.
		And you turn that into, I'm a billionaire, man, you've got nothing going on in the heart space.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and if you do that and then you commit massive fraud and then go to prison for five years, write a book called I Was Wrong about specifically how you got a lust for money and that got you off track from the love of God and then go right back to it.
unidentified		You do the exact same thing to the scam again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On a bigger scale, it's like, geez.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you learned the lesson not to build hotels.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You just have cottages.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you built your own condos.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You have cottages and condominiums.
		Great.
		Proud of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's so ridiculous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Jordan, it's your turn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you want more of our show, you go to knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You can go to at knowledge underscore fight on Twitter.
		You can follow us there.
		We are on Facebook.
		You can go to iTunes, subscribe, leave a review, do all that stuff so people find us.
		However it is, the algorithms work.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do whatever they do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tell them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tell them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So who is going to fuck themselves today, sir?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's all Jim Baker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, my first thought is Dan Quel, but that's not right.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Steve?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Lyndon LaRouche?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a dark, dark master behind all of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are you...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't like where I think you're going with it.
unidentified		I think...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think you know exactly where I'm going.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does she look like Tammy Faye?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You better goddamn believe she does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't remember her name?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I know her name.
		I know her fucking name.
		She's the one who's behind all that.
		Jim is an old fucking man who doesn't know how to do anything else.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does seem to be daughtering a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is like a former baseball player, a former Major League Baseball player in the minors at like 55.
		He just doesn't know what else to do with his life.
		I will tell you who does know what's going on, and that's fucking Lori Baker.
		You can go fuck yourself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a First Tim Color.
		I'm a huge fan.

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