Today, Dan tells Jordan about the inexplicable time that former member of the Weather Underground Bill Ayers decided to stop by the Alex Jones Show for an interview. The year was 2015, and the theme of the day was "Alex getting dunked on left and right." This is a very embarrassing moment in Alex's career.
| Speaker | Time | Text |
|---|---|---|
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| What up? | ||
| Dan? | ||
|
unidentified
|
What up? | |
| Have you ever asked yourself the question of what you would do in Nazi Germany? | ||
| I have. | ||
| I have thought about that. | ||
| You know what I would do? | ||
| I would start a podcast where I know a lot about Goebbels. | ||
| And I don't know anything about Goebbels. | ||
| A friend of mine knows nothing about them. | ||
| That's probably what I would do. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Maybe I did. | ||
| I think that's pretty much exactly what we just did. | ||
| I might have started a publication back then, like an underground zine, and then been reincarnated in present day because we needed to do it again. | ||
| Oh, you think so? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You think we're both, perhaps, the reincarnations of... | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| What? | ||
| Nonstop, endless freedom fighters defeating fascism wherever we go? | ||
| People who are created in the womb by their ancestors. | ||
| Okay, alright, alright. | ||
| Whatever creeping... | ||
| Propaganda is becoming too much of a problem. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| We are molded in our mother's wombs and are born forth in the lineage with race memory. | ||
| This is the creepiest conversation I think I've ever had. | ||
| I don't like any of this. | ||
| It'll make no sense to anybody who's new to the show. | ||
| Yeah, if you've just started listening to the podcast, boy, go back and begin at the beginning. | ||
| The real irony of that is you're asking for a way to sum up the show, and I made it more confusing. | ||
| Bottom line is I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| You don't know anything about him. | ||
| I do know a little bit about Goebbels, though. | ||
| Yeah, but that might come to bear. | ||
| I don't think it will today. | ||
| I think when we're talking about Alex, knowing a little bit about Goebbels is always a good idea. | ||
| It's always spiritually in the mix. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So today we've got an interesting episode. | ||
| I don't want to ruin too much about what we're going to be going over before we dive into it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm getting a little sorry. | ||
| But first, I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of new donors. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yay! | |
| I'd like to give a shout-out to a new wonk, new policy wonk out there. | ||
| What's up, Zach? | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Hey, Zach. | ||
| Welcome to the team club. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Team. | |
| We appreciate it. | ||
| What are we? | ||
| Team. | ||
| Are we a team? | ||
| I generally say team. | ||
| I think we're a team. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a team. | ||
| It's a crew. | ||
| It's a posse. | ||
| I wouldn't go posse. | ||
| I'd like to give a shout-out to another policy wonk. | ||
| New joining up. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you so much, Jesse. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thank you very much, Jesse, for joining up with the team. | |
| There we go. | ||
| Now we got it. | ||
| Now, also, we got another person who's joined up, but they've joined up as a globalist. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They joined up as a globalist? | ||
| Diving headlong into the pool. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| We appreciate it oh so much. | ||
| Thank you very much, Chris S. I'm a policy wonk. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark! | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thank you. | |
| Hey, thank you so much. | ||
| Also, I'm a big fan of hearing the globalists drop. | ||
| I'm a big fan of hearing the globalist drop. | ||
| It's too short now. | ||
| It does feel a little bit short, but also it doesn't really hit a lot of the evil parts. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Our raptor princess, man, that gets dark. | ||
| That gets dark. | ||
| Hitler's a stud. | ||
| If you'd like to become a policy wonk and support the show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking support the show. | ||
| And you'll be in business. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Thank you very much for everybody who has, everybody who will, and, well, I hope people will. | ||
| They will. | ||
| I hope there are people in the future. | ||
| There are people who are. | ||
| I hope in the future. | ||
| I pray. | ||
| Well, I'm hoping that children are born now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Who will eventually become policy wonks. | ||
| Policy wonk babies! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, if you want to make a donation. | |
| Then their babies become donations. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I hope that doesn't happen. | ||
| That's the way you become a raptor princess. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| Fuck a raptor. | ||
| Today, we're recording this on Thursday, the 7th of June, and that means this episode's coming out on the 8th, which is one week away from us being... | ||
| For real one week. | ||
| For one week. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| In Austin, Texas, at Beer Land, not Doors at 9. Show at ten. | ||
| We also have some stand-up comedians. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We also have some burlesque dancing. | ||
| It's gonna be a fucking party. | ||
| It's gonna be a mess. | ||
| It's gonna be ridiculous. | ||
| Also... | ||
| What? | ||
| I have found a fantastic episode to go over. | ||
| I knew you would. | ||
| And I will not give away anything about it but to tease. | ||
| Dan, do you know how I knew you would find a fantastic episode about it? | ||
| I put too much time into this. | ||
| It's because you have spent so much time being anxious about this. | ||
| I'm very nuts. | ||
| And then the next... | ||
| This week will be you rethinking it, rethinking it, rethinking it a million different times. | ||
| And then you will come to the conclusion, Dan, that you were correct all along. | ||
| Generally speaking, yes. | ||
| But to tease everyone, without giving away the big picture of why this episode is awesome, here is... | ||
| The sound of the Twin Towers falling. | ||
| No, we're not doing that. | ||
| Here's the first of two out-of-context drops from the episode we'll be going over. | ||
| June 15th at Beerland in Austin, Texas. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| It's all about... | ||
| I mean, it is... | ||
| I don't know if people know what that means. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You don't know if people know what that means? | ||
|
unidentified
|
We got you. | |
| As all along the watchtower plays behind him. | ||
| I think we know what you mean. | ||
| That's a boner, baby. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| Here's the second... | ||
| That's a Bob Dole is what I call him now. | ||
| Here's the second Out of Context drop. | ||
| Second hour coming up. | ||
| We'll pee standing up. | ||
| You can go to hell. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Alright. | |
| So, if you would like any of that to make sense. | ||
| Yeah, no, you're going to need to come to the show. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Show up. | |
| 10pm beer land in Austin, Texas. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And we're really hoping that we'll be able to release this as a podcast, but because we are going to show up there on the day, who knows what we'll be able to set up. | ||
| As we learned last time, because I have that Zoom recorder, we should be able to get something. | ||
| We'll get something out of it. | ||
| Whether or not it's as amateurish as the last live episode, it might be. | ||
| That one was a little bit weird. | ||
| It's listenable, but it's certainly not what I would like. | ||
| That last live episode we did, when you listened to that recording, you pee standing up. | ||
| Oh, go to hell. | ||
| Oh, go to hell. | ||
| So today what I wanted to do was spiritually... | ||
| I wanted to do an entire episode that would basically be a plug for our show. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You wanted to set it up. | ||
| I looked through a bunch of Austin... | ||
| Celebrities. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Uh-huh. | |
| I was going to choose my favorite one and do their birthday. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so I settled on Ethan Hawke because I love Ethan Hawke. | ||
| Ethan Hawke's great. | ||
| I'm not sure I actually love him. | ||
| I don't know anything about him as a person, but I love his work in Richard Linklater films. | ||
| He seems great. | ||
| He's in at least two, maybe three, if you count before midnight, of my favorite films. | ||
| He has both been before, after, and during every section of the day. | ||
| I love the first two of those. | ||
| I'm okay with the third. | ||
| Not positive I love it. | ||
| But they're great. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| What was the... | ||
| It was before sunrise. | ||
| Before sunset. | ||
| Before sunset. | ||
| Because he's got to catch a plane to go home. | ||
| And then after midnight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| After midnight's the song. | ||
| We're going to chug along. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, right, right. | |
| It's before midnight. | ||
| See, now I'm thinking about roundabout midnight. | ||
| You're thinking about after midnight, we're going to let it all hang out. | ||
| We are. | ||
| Especially if you go to the show. | ||
| So I decided that Ethan Hawke is my favorite. | ||
| His birthday is November 6th. | ||
| I went through some episodes and I was like, nothing sticking out here. | ||
| Nothing good, huh? | ||
| So I'm like, you know, who else is from Austin? | ||
| Richard Linklater. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So I was like, we're going to do this thing. | ||
| And then I looked through his birthday episodes and they weren't so great. | ||
| So then I was like, fuck, this isn't going to work out. | ||
| There's a lot of people from Austin, but I'm like, I'm not going through all of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So then I was like, what about people whose birthdays are June 15th? | ||
| Why don't we do that? | ||
| You just went through the whole list. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so I was like, fuck, this is... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| I found one person who lives in Austin whose birthday is June 15th. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No shit. | |
| I'll give you one clue who it is. | ||
| Show's canceled. | ||
| We will not be in Austin on June 15th. | ||
| Doors at 9, show at 10. We won't be there because Dan is playing this goddamn song. | ||
| There will not be some very good comedians there. | ||
| There will be no burlesque show. | ||
| Everything is over because of Dan. | ||
| That's Bailey's theme song, pro wrestler Bailey. | ||
| She is from, or at least she lives in Austin now, according to Wikipedia, and her birthday is June 15th. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I didn't do anything about it. | ||
| I just wanted to play that song. | ||
| Yeah, I noticed. | ||
| I noticed. | ||
| We don't have a June 15th episode. | ||
| I can kind of put that together. | ||
| That was my way of trolling our wrestling fan listeners who are like, oh shit, is Bayley on Infowars? | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| She is not. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That would be quite a heel turn. | ||
| That would be crazy. | ||
| So what I did instead was I accidentally found something else while I was looking through shit. | ||
| And it's completely crazy. | ||
| Do you want me to just tell you what's up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bill Ayers was on InfoWars. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Bill Ayers. | ||
| Weather Underground. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Weather Underground Bill Ayers was on InfoWars. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So today we're going to be listening... | ||
| Did he blow it up and actually Alex Jones is Bill Ayers now? | ||
| Is that what happened? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| That didn't happen, but... | ||
| Bill Ayers was on Infowars. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right, I'm in. | ||
| It's pretty great. | ||
| I'm so in. | ||
| So we're going to be listening to the time that Bill Ayers showed up and did a little dance on Alex's face. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And he's delightful. | ||
| He's a delightful man, Bill Ayers, for a terrorist. | ||
| He's pretty awesome. | ||
| He's a pretty good terrorist, though. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| He was my kind of terrorist. | ||
| So before we get into that, I want to... | ||
| I realize I shouldn't have jumped into trying to set up the episode before I got into something. | ||
| Some world news I wanted to talk about. | ||
| So there's this thing going on right now. | ||
| You know about this thing? | ||
| Which thing? | ||
| Operation Backyard Brawl. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I was the one who let you know about that thing. | ||
| And it was Aaron Sutherland who alerted me to that thing. | ||
| So give it up to Aaron. | ||
| Well, I kind of... | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| Because I already... | ||
| I knew... | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| You didn't know. | ||
| You texted me back. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| You texted me back. | ||
| I knew this sort of stuff was afoot. | ||
| I didn't know this specific instance of it. | ||
| Did your knowledge fight sense tingle? | ||
| Is that how that works? | ||
| No, but I see people... | ||
| I see this sort of stuff getting posted all the time. | ||
| Now, granted, this is much bigger and more focused than usual. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| For everybody who doesn't know what's going on, a bunch of weirdos found a homeless encampment, and they noticed that, like, why is there hair dye here? | ||
| Oh, my God, there's dolls. | ||
| Clearly pedophiles. | ||
| And then they brought in Craig Sawman Sawyer. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Who we know from Infowars. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And he runs an organization called Vets for Child Rescue, which Alex Jones has given at least $20,000 to. | ||
| So I was following this through the course of the day, which also made it much harder for me to get an episode together, because I'm like, I gotta figure out what's going on here, where's the evidence? | ||
| And so I started watching videos of these people's evidence. | ||
| Why did you ask that question? | ||
| Because the answer to that is, there isn't. | ||
| No, no, but I wanted to understand what the arguments were, because I don't like to dismiss these sorts of things out of hand. | ||
| Even when they're ludicrous, I still want to know what they're talking about. | ||
| Like, a couple years ago, they did, you know, the internet, Reddit, 4chan, they did this on a much... | ||
| Lesser scale. | ||
| Like, they didn't go as far with it. | ||
| With this Salt Lake City daycare center called Fun Time Kids, I think, with a Z. Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| It was, like, this green building and everybody went nuts on it. | ||
| And, like, people started showing up. | ||
| In their defense, if you end the word kid with a Z, you're probably trafficking children for sex. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| I mean, that just makes sense. | ||
| People started coming up with fake receipts for stuff and, like, trying to do background checks on people who were allegedly involved. | ||
| It was just complete madness. | ||
| In terms of the lengths people were going, just because this daycare center looked weird and someone posted about it on Reddit and said that they'd never seen anyone go in or out of it, which wasn't true. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| It was a daycare center. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So this turned into this weird week and a half, two weeks. | ||
| It might have been even longer than that, but this weird panic where people were coming up with fan fiction in real time, basically, about this daycare center. | ||
| I mean, it appears they're doing the same thing now with this. | ||
| It's crazy, because just before we started recording, I was checking up on it on the hashtag on Twitter, and apparently they found a body. | ||
| The Patriots. | ||
| What? | ||
| The Vets for Child Rescue and the Vets... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Did they put it there? | ||
| No, but here's the thing. | ||
| It's 30 miles away from where they were originally. | ||
| You found a body. | ||
| Right, and it's the wrong direction from Tucson. | ||
| It's a whole other city. | ||
| Yeah, but the mayor of Tucson is a Rothschild. | ||
| He knows to put it 30 miles going in the wrong direction. | ||
| Oh, by the way, not related to the Rothschild. | ||
| No, that's not important. | ||
| His last name is Rothschild. | ||
| There's only one Rothschild family in there. | ||
| Mystery of the universe. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| So this is all just like, this is incredibly- Also, if you are a member of the Rothschild family, come on, man. | ||
| Tucson, you're not going to Tucson. | ||
| Someone's going to get killed. | ||
| I mean, not around this, but the way these things are escalating from a couple years ago when I was watching it with that daycare center. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then Pizzagate. | ||
| Then now we have this, which is still evolving right now in terms of where people are going to take the fun fanfiction narrative, how much QAnon is involved, how much they can paint this as some sort of left-wing Jewish thing. | ||
| It's always the... | ||
| When you want to make a big deal out of an unrelated person's name being Rothschild, you're playing on archaic anti-Semitic fears. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to find a way to blame the Jews. | ||
| So, all this is to say... | ||
| I mean, I don't know what to say because if someone were listening to our show that does believe that, I can't convince you that it's stupid. | ||
| So I don't care to. | ||
| I don't care to. | ||
| All I have to say is strap it in because this is going to be happening a lot. | ||
| There's going to be a lot of this in the future. | ||
| Man. | ||
| It's going to be a mess. | ||
| Such a bummer. | ||
| Calmer heads must prevail, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, you would think. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Or... | |
| We've got to go Belayers on them. | ||
| Yeah, you know, here's... | ||
| Boy, this is something... | ||
| Bad transition on my part. | ||
| I know, that one is a bad transition, but it did just jog something that I've been thinking about all fucking day, because I read a... | ||
| Have you read this New York Times article? | ||
| About one of the children who was taken away from, it was a Honduran child who was taken away from his family at the border. | ||
| I did not. | ||
| And then just sent to a foster home in fucking Michigan or wherever. | ||
| And it's just the entire story of this kid. | ||
| And I thought about that all day today. | ||
| And the only thought I could have is, you know that thought process of like, what would I do in Nazi Germany if the Nazis came for the Jews next door? | ||
| And I was like, you know that now. | ||
| If you cooperate with an ICE agent, you would put a Jew in an oven. | ||
| Like, that's the reality of it. | ||
| Or at least you wouldn't hide him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know exactly what that is now. | ||
| You can answer that question for yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, don't pretend to be the hero. | ||
| ICE agents are Nazis. | ||
| And if you are cooperating with them, you know. | ||
| That's who you are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If that's who you are, that's who you are. | ||
| Right, dude. | ||
| And I hope that somebody goes Bill Ayers on you. | ||
| Right, dude. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| They found this, like, encampment, right, that had no definite evidence of child trafficking. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That the law enforcement did come and check and did have a cadaver dog going through. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And then 30 miles away, they found what appeared to be a child's skull. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And they don't put the pieces together and recognize that, oh, no, the reason that that, like... | ||
| It looked like there were underground tunnels when there weren't. | ||
| It was like, why is this so hard to find the place that these people are supposed to be in? | ||
| Why would it be so hard? | ||
| Maybe because there's ice agents looking for people. | ||
| Like, oh, why would there be a child's skull in the middle of the desert? | ||
| I don't know, maybe hiding? | ||
| Maybe there are a bunch of people and militias that go out and knock over bottles of water that are left out for immigrants that cross the border. | ||
| Maybe they die because of the way we treat people. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Could have something to do with that. | ||
| So anyway, think about all that. | ||
| Bunch of different reasons. | ||
| Think about all that and then go fuck yourself. | ||
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| Anybody who's peddling this backyard brawl nonsense. | ||
| No, fuck off. | ||
| But congratulations. | ||
| I mean, it's entertaining. | ||
| It did waste a good hour of my day. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I had a good laugh. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| I had a good laugh. | ||
| I did like that there's like, they're fucking, these people can't get their shit together because they're like turning on each other now. | ||
| There's like, some of these MAGA accounts are like, they're pissed off about how Jack Posobiec is covering it. | ||
| And they're like, this guy's a dick. | ||
| Others of them are like, you guys trust Craig Sawyer? | ||
| He's a hack. | ||
| I know! | ||
| It's like, all right, guys, enjoy. | ||
| It's like you created your monster and now deal with it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Enjoy. | |
| I don't want any part of it. | ||
| But what I do want a part of is listening to Alex. | ||
| See, there's your transition. | ||
| So, Alex Jones has Bill Ayers on. | ||
| This is in 2015, and I honestly have no idea why this happened. | ||
| This just has to be a dunk fest, right? | ||
| I've listened to this a couple times, and it's really confusing, because you walk away with a couple of conclusions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But one of them is Alex is terrible at his job, and the second is he doesn't know who Bill Ayers is. | ||
| Like, he thinks he does. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Really? | |
| He thinks he does. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He has a picture in his head. | ||
| Of, like, arch-leftist terrorist guy. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But he doesn't know who Bill Ayers is or what he stands for or any of his scholarship. | ||
| And that's going to be a problem for him. | ||
| He's thinking, like, he's a black IRA member. | ||
| Is that what he's thinking? | ||
| Like, is that his idea? | ||
| I don't know how to depict it other than I think he thinks he's, like... | ||
| A guy who's running around throwing bombs that have pictures of Lennon on them. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Now that's a fun supervillain. | ||
| If we're going to write our Knowledge Fight comic book, which probably will happen. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Then we've got to have... | ||
| See, there you go! | ||
| And then we have somebody who throws bombs with Alex's face on them and conveniently doesn't understand that bombs would then explode the picture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also doesn't understand that for that child... | ||
| That they found the skull of in Arizona. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To be related to that crime scene, the alleged crime scene on the other side of Tucson, you'd have to include the entirety of Tucson as part of the crime scene, which seems unlikely. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've been to Tucson. | ||
| It's a crime scene. | ||
| I have, too. | ||
| My buddy Matt McCrower used to live in Tucson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a nice time. | ||
| Went down to visit him a couple times. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| Got real drunk. | ||
| Went to Juarez. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| That's an interesting day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That might have been when I visited my friend in El Paso. | ||
| That might have been a dream. | ||
| I went to a lot of border towns when I was younger. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Anyway. | |
| That's such a weird thing. | ||
| I went to a lot of border towns when I was younger. | ||
| That's a fun sentence to say. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I don't know why it tickles me so, but it does, Dan. | ||
| Eh, you know, you gotta go... | ||
| Buy pills or something. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure! | |
| That's what I always thought we were going to do, and then it never happened. | ||
| Buy pills? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You just always thought we were going to buy pills? | ||
| Yeah, I always thought, like, hey, you know, you don't need a prescription in Mexico, so you go down to Mexico, you buy pills, bring it back, you're white, they're not going to check you when you cross the border. | ||
| But it never happened. | ||
| All of that checks out. | ||
| All we would do is go down there and get drunk with, like, friends of friends who lived, like, in Juarez. | ||
| And it was a great time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Mickey Gifts came along. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| That's a good time. | ||
| Anyway, let's get to this first clip. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| I forgot we were even doing an episode about Alex Johnson. | ||
| Yeah, geez, there were 20 minutes in. | ||
| We went long with the banter, Dan. | ||
| Boy, I tell you what. | ||
| Self-righteousness, there was some of that. | ||
| A little. | ||
| So, in this first clip, Alex is starting off. | ||
| He's getting to his introduction. | ||
| I say that because his introduction takes for fucking ever. | ||
| But one of the things that he does here is something that I think that we've started to... | ||
| Not started to notice, but started to discuss as like, this is a really shitty thing that Alex does, where he assumes the conclusion. | ||
| He starts off, before the interview even starts, he wants to make sure that you know how this is going to end. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that way, he pre-inoculates the audience from like, hey, if I do a shitty job here... | ||
| Know that the reason is because Bill Ayers sucks. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's that sort of thing. | ||
| Well, also, Memento had just come out fairly recently. | ||
| No, I know that's not true. | ||
| Wait, what year is this? | ||
| I don't hold that against you because your short-term memory is gone. | ||
| I actually don't know what year this is. | ||
| You never told me what year this was. | ||
| It's 2015. | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You did not tell me that. | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| Anyway. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| We're going to have to go to the tape. | ||
| Check the tape. | ||
| We're going to have to go to the tape. | ||
| All right, so here we go. | ||
| Starting off. | ||
| America has a normalcy bias. | ||
| We've been trained. | ||
| To basically accept anything and everything out of these tyrants. | ||
| But like putting paper on a hot stove, it'll brown, it'll crackle, it'll finally flash into flames. | ||
| We are now reaching the flashpoint event horizon. | ||
| I'll be quite frank. | ||
| I don't have butterflies. | ||
| I am physically ill. | ||
| Thinking about Bill Ayers coming on in the next segment. | ||
| I just know his whole MO. | ||
| I know the whole program. | ||
| And I know he'll just come on here and deny he works for the big mega wretch to screw everybody over. | ||
| So there is the first instance of it. | ||
| That is the first time. | ||
| So I'm going to ask him that. | ||
| And no matter what he says, it doesn't matter. | ||
| You already know. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Yeah, you already know I've made that conclusion. | ||
| If he says, yes, I am, then it'd be like, aha, I gotcha. | ||
| If he says no, then you know that he's lying. | ||
| Also, what kind of answer would be like... | ||
| You're working for the Mega Rich trying to destroy us all. | ||
| And Bill is like, yeah, totally. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You got me. | |
| Bingo! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Whoa! | |
| How did you know? | ||
| Also, cite your sources. | ||
| Also... | ||
| Who are the mega-rich? | ||
| What are you talking about, specifically? | ||
| Also, you can't have a Flashpoint event horizon. | ||
| Those are two things that can't happen concurrently. | ||
| Hey, listen up, dumb fuck. | ||
| You're listening to the brainiac consciousness of the universe. | ||
| All right, that's true! | ||
| Also, the T-Rex of political talk. | ||
| He can say whatever he damn well pleases, and that sentence was a masterpiece. | ||
| All right. | ||
| God almighty. | ||
| Like Obama and Obamacare meant to savage the hell out of poor people. | ||
| I'm just so sick of these people. | ||
| God almighty. | ||
| It'd be bad enough if they were just dumb communists, but they're not. | ||
| They know full well what they're doing. | ||
| They've decided to cheat humanity. | ||
| They've decided to screw everyone over. | ||
| Let's play a great American who just died last year. | ||
| Larry Grathwald, Vietnam veteran. | ||
| Green Beret. | ||
| 101st Airborne Division. | ||
| Former FBI Weather Underground informant who quoted Obama, confidant and former leader of the Weather Underground, is stating that those Americans who could not be reeducated in communist camps of the revolution will be eliminated in malcultural revolution style. | ||
| And he wrote the book, Bringing Down America, and he's dead. | ||
| Larry, 101st, Lockspot.com. | ||
| Let's go to a clip of a man speaking from the grave. | ||
| They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. | ||
| They felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the Southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. | ||
| I asked, well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate? | ||
| And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. | ||
| And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people. | ||
| That's from 1982, the documentary No Place to Hide. | ||
| So Larry Grathwal, he's an FBI informant and what have you. | ||
| One who quoted Obama, which... | ||
| No, no, no, he quoted Obama's advisor, and he's referring to Bill Ayers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He didn't quote Obama. | ||
| Alex was just speaking. | ||
| Because he just... | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| Because it sounded like he said he's a former FBI informant who quoted Obama. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| So just by... | ||
| He's a terrible speaker, this guy. | ||
| This guy, Alex. | ||
| Have we heard of this guy? | ||
| He's terrible. | ||
| I've never heard him to do that before. | ||
| It's important to keep in mind a couple of things. | ||
| One of them is that Larry Grathwal, his timeline and his characterization of things have been consistently challenged ever since he came out and wrote his book. | ||
| I believe it was in 1976, about infiltrating the weather underground. | ||
| People who were involved, i.e. | ||
| Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorn, have said, "This is bullshit." What? | ||
| An FBI informant lying? | ||
| No! | ||
| It's important to consider his background when you look at this. | ||
| And it's nothing to say that veterans are evil, but someone who is a Vietnam vet, who is super decorated, loves the army, His website is LarryGrathwall101 in honor of the 101st Airborne he's a part of. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| When he comes back stateside, the idea of him infiltrating... | ||
| A anti-Vietnam War group. | ||
| He's probably going to be like, I've got to make them look pretty bad. | ||
| He might have an agenda. | ||
| I've got to make them look as bad as possible. | ||
| Might have an agenda. | ||
| They are clearly the thing I am against. | ||
| They don't respect the work that I've done out in the field or whatever. | ||
| Which is killing people for no reason. | ||
| So I've looked into him a bit. | ||
| He's most furious because they were killing or not even doing that. | ||
| They were causing violence. | ||
| And chaos for a reason. | ||
| And he couldn't process the fact that all of the shit he did was for nothing. | ||
| I've looked into him a bit, and it's tough to find too much specifics about him in terms of, like, a lot of these con men, it's very easy to figure out what they were up to. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And shit like that. | ||
| He's a little bit more difficult because it was in the 70s, and there's not as good of a record, and he's dead. | ||
| Everybody was informing on everybody in the 70s. | ||
| But he's appeared on InfoWars, and his daughter has appeared on InfoWars. | ||
| His daughter has appeared on InfoWars? | ||
| I'm going to say I don't care. | ||
| I don't trust you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But Bill... | ||
| Well, then again, Bill Ayers appeared on Infowars, apparently, so I don't know if I can trust anything he's ever said. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wait till this shit gets cooking. | |
| So Alex still hasn't introduced him. | ||
| We should be clear. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex gets really... | ||
| In the first clip we heard, he's setting the table for failure. | ||
| He's setting the table to make it okay once he loses this argument. | ||
| In this next clip, he's setting the table for everyone to feel threatened. | ||
| Also, in that Larry Grathwald clip you heard, he said what they have to worry about, these folks, is the counter-revolution. | ||
| Alex clearly believes that he is the counter-revolution. | ||
| He's the counter-coup. | ||
| To the Marxist-Lenin-driven whatever nonsense. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So that is part of this clip that requires a little... | ||
| Which is why this becomes personal to him. | ||
| Oh, it's very personal. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Gotcha, gotcha. | |
| And boy, he's bad at this. | ||
| I have been in the room with high-level communists that I didn't know were communists that I got down here to interview famous people. | ||
| I'm not getting into it. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Rob New witnessed it once. | ||
| No. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Witnessed what? | |
| And the same crap started coming out of their mouth. | ||
| And that we better join them and stuff. | ||
| We better join them and stuff. | ||
| Eh, you gotta join them and stuff. | ||
| Too bad. | ||
| We got guns. | ||
| Second Amendment. | ||
| Doesn't matter how big a tyranny you bring in, no matter how many false flags. | ||
| Even if you get the Civil War kicked off with the police to wipe them out and wipe most of us out. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We're not stupid. | ||
| We've got your game. | ||
| Denying your program doesn't work anymore with us. | ||
| So just be advised. | ||
| Be advised big time. | ||
| Thanks for letting me know. | ||
| Bill Ayers is waiting on hold. | ||
| Yeah, he has to be listening to this, right? | ||
| Like, Bill isn't just walking down the middle of the street going like, oh, is it time? | ||
| And an assistant hands him a phone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That we know what's going on, and we're warning people. | ||
| High-level communists. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And we're going to continue to warn people, and we've got the jump on it. | ||
| It's like business-class Hispanics. | ||
| If we go through this, though, it's going to make some of the major wars. | ||
| I was going to go with 12th level paladin. | ||
| The Civil War looked like a shadow of what's coming in this country. | ||
| The entire Homeland Security apparatus is now focused on the counter-revolution. | ||
| Gun owners, veterans, conservatives, libertarians, patriots. | ||
| Hard-working people that make this country. | ||
| Nice dog whistle. | ||
| But what he's doing there is he's casting himself and all of his cadre of weirdos that support his worldview as being the people who are the counter-revolution. | ||
| When the entire government, everything, the Homeland Security apparatus, everything, all the boats at sea, all the men, the boys in blue, all of them, everything is now the revolution. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It is all communist. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Do you know what you do in that situation? | ||
| You call the A-team. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the A-team is Alex Jones. | ||
| He's face. | ||
| What else we got? | ||
| He's also Hannibal. | ||
| He is not B.A. Barakas. | ||
| That's Jakari Jackson. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is Jakari still working in 2015? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| He was around until right around the election in 2016. | ||
| He was, I think, I don't know if he made it. | ||
| He definitely wasn't there on election night. | ||
| I'll tell you that much. | ||
| But he was around pretty close to that. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I'd love to talk to him. | ||
| It's never going to happen. | ||
| Anyway, Alex, in this next clip, asserts that communists have taken over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They thought it couldn't happen in Germany or Russia or China or a hundred other countries. | ||
| Plus, we think we can't happen here. | ||
| Baby, it is happening. | ||
| Our borders are gone. | ||
| Our country is being bankrupted by design. | ||
| World planetary fascist government, with a bunch of communists under it, is taking hold. | ||
| Just as Gary Allen warned in 1972. | ||
| And none dare call it conspiracy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Just then. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I don't know if I've told you this, Jordan, but I'm doing a lot of research. | ||
| Have you been reading a lot about none dare call it conspiracy? | ||
| I have, man. | ||
| I have. | ||
| It's pretty crazy. | ||
| So what is a fascist world government with communists under it? | ||
| So is that like a hierarchy of... | ||
| Is that like Maslow's hierarchy? | ||
| Hierarchy of... | ||
| I don't know if something arrives with a need. | ||
| I mean, like, okay, so you got your fascist government, right? | ||
| You're talking about the food pyramid. | ||
| Oh, there we go. | ||
| The fascist government would be like oils and sugars up top. | ||
| You need the least of them. | ||
| You got the grains of the communists on the bottom. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also vegetables of communists in the middle. | ||
| Vegetables of communists in the middle. | ||
| I imagine, actually, the grains are the base. | ||
| That would probably be socialists. | ||
| I thought that would be capitalists. | ||
| No, no, because capitalists don't actually exist. | ||
| Okay, that's fair enough. | ||
| Well, capitalists are really just fascists at the end of the day. | ||
| They're socialists. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The worldview... | ||
| I think socialists are fruits. | ||
| In the food pyramid of ideologies... | ||
| Socialists are fruits. | ||
| When we're talking about this, like, the worldview that he's espousing is essentially, you can boil it down if you want to get really simplistic with it, is that, like, the powers that be encourage socialism as a means of acceptable lashing out at the system. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because they secretly want to create monopoly control of stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which capitalism definitely doesn't want to do. | ||
| And you have socialist, like... | ||
| Judas Goats, who are leading people, pretending that we're all like, hey, you're going to get something out of this. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You're going to get free college. | |
| Of course. | ||
| Like Bernie Sanders. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh! | |
| That Bernie! | ||
| He's leading you down this path with the promises of free health care and what have you. | ||
| And you walk down the road and, you know, just... | ||
| You take your eyes off the prize for a second and boom! | ||
| What do you know? | ||
| You're trapped in communism. | ||
| That sounds plausible. | ||
| And it all works to the... | ||
| Corporate monopolist's best interest. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because once communism is in place, they can oppress all of the people who thought socialism was coming. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Of course. | |
| And they could have monopolies over everything. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| You figured it out. | ||
| Put it on the board. | ||
| So Alex thinks that system is already in place, I guess. | ||
| And that the government and the power... | ||
| That Byzantine nonsensical fantasy. | ||
| And it's so needless. | ||
| Yeah, I know, right? | ||
| Capitalism works. | ||
| It seems really straightforward. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You just do all of that shit with capitalism. | |
| It's pretty crazy. | ||
| That's why he has to combine all of these bullshit systems, is because if you really take apart capitalism as it is, you get little chunks of each of these systems, and so you pretend that all of these things are completely separate from each other, when all it is you're really railing against is the capitalist system that you profess to love so much. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| The other thing that I think is fun is that because I have been spending a bit of time in this world, I can tell you definitively that Gary Allen is stupid. | ||
| What? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| The guy who wrote None Dare Call It Conspiracy is really dumb. | ||
| Like, legitimately, there is no reason to think that this guy... | ||
| Point to proof, Dan. | ||
| I will. | ||
| I will. | ||
| I'll give you a couple pieces of proof if you want. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What would you rather? | ||
| A piece of proof from history or a preacher? | ||
| Let's go with the preacher. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's an interesting choice that I've never had to ask myself before. | ||
| Well, this is an example that I'll use that's actually like he's manipulatively lying about stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that's not stupid. | ||
| It's smart to manipulatively lie about stuff. | ||
| Alright, fine. | ||
| You want to go with something stupid? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I want full-on, unmitigated stupidity. | ||
| I want him to have him walk underneath a bucket of water that... | ||
| Magic that just falls on top of his head. | ||
| Well, just for fun, because people might be curious. | ||
| I want him to be a schlemiel. | ||
| On page 10 of None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Gary Allen talks about a speech by a guy named Father Pedro Arrupe that was given in 1965. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he takes this completely out of context to indicate that this guy was talking about the communist conspiracy of the elites. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Uh-huh. | |
| And unfortunately, you can find that speech online, and I have, and you read the whole thing, and it's just about like... | ||
| Catholicism needs better marketing. | ||
| Atheism is too popular. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| That's not a bad speech. | ||
| But if you take it wildly out of context... | ||
| Which you could in 1972, and a 12-year-old Alex Jones would never be able to find the full speech of Father Pedro Arrupy. | ||
| You might accidentally... | ||
| He doesn't know that the internet exists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or the internet didn't exist in the same form as it did? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| So he, the first chapter of None Dare Call a Conspiracy, I should tell you, is called Don't Confuse Me with Facts. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was... | ||
| Call it a conspiracy! | ||
| And then the last chapter is, none will do that! | ||
| No, that's his coda. | ||
| That'd be like the Layla piano outro. | ||
| Eric Clapton is just, call it a conspiracy! | ||
| So this, it's called Don't Confuse Me With Facts, and here is him trying to make his argument for why people don't accept his view of the world. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| His view is crazy. | ||
| Psychological problems are also involved in inducing people to look at the evidence concerning the insiders, which is what he calls the globalists. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| People are usually comfortable with their old beliefs and conceptions. | ||
| When Columbus told people the world was a ball and not a pancake, they were highly upset. | ||
| Didn't do any of that. | ||
| They were being asked to reject their way of thinking of a lifetime and adopt a new outlook. | ||
| These, quote, intellectuals of the day scoffed at Columbus. | ||
| None of that was true. | ||
|
unidentified
|
People were afraid they would lose social prestige if they listened to him. | |
| Not even a little bit. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| That's not even close. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's embarrassing. | ||
| He's saying that the intellectuals of the time were like, whoa, Columbus, you're out of your mind! | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| Intellectuals! | ||
| You know, like, that's next level stupid. | ||
| Even the stupid people at the time were like, yeah, it's probably not flat. | ||
| That's fucking stupid. | ||
| It dates back to, like, the 6th to 3rd century BC. | ||
| People knowing that the world was round. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah! | |
| You know where... | ||
|
unidentified
|
You know what the simplest way to know how the world is round? | |
| If you look at the ship... | ||
| Just sailing over the ocean. | ||
| It doesn't just fall. | ||
| It slowly goes down. | ||
| And Columbus knew boats. | ||
| He had a couple of them. | ||
| He was pretty good at boats. | ||
| So the reason that he was butting heads with people at the time was that he had a conception of the world that it was much smaller than it actually was. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He was like, we're going to get to India on this back. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to take like a week. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So do you know where the idea that Gary Allen is working off of comes from? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| The idea that there was some sort of tension between Christopher Columbus and the intelligent... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why not call it Galileo? | ||
| No. | ||
| But that would also be a misunderstanding. | ||
| Because Galileo got in trouble with the religious people of the time, and it wasn't about the earth being flat. | ||
| Oh, no, no, it was because he was a dick to the... | ||
| Yeah, it was mainly because he was a dick. | ||
| But it was also about heliocentrism. | ||
| It was about whether or not the earth revolves around the sun or the sun around the earth. | ||
| See, now that wasn't as much a factor as people think it was. | ||
|
unidentified
|
But also the roundness or flatness of the earth is also not. | |
| He was confined to house arrest because he was a dick. | ||
| Like, his patron was in the Catholic Church. | ||
| And he wrote all of these letters, and then he just put it out in this book, like, you know, certain people are fucking stupid, and he was talking about this guy. | ||
| I was just trying to give an example of why that would be a possible way you could be confused about it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| It turns out that this idea, though, that Columbus was... | ||
| Besides, wasn't Copernicus the guy who did the heliocentricity? | ||
| No, it was Galileo. | ||
| But also, the... | ||
| I've looked... | ||
| I'm just fucking with you. | ||
| So... | ||
| The storyline of Christopher Columbus being at odds with the intellectuals of the time. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It comes directly from the fictitious plot of the 1828 book, The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was written by Washington Irving. | ||
| I was about to, if you say it was the same guy, I was going to lose my mind. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's a thousand years old. | ||
| Washington Irving, at that point, was most famous for having written Rip Van Winkle. | ||
| And The Legend of Sleepy Hollow. | ||
| Great books. | ||
| He wrote a fictitious History of Christopher Columbus and the time. | ||
| And Gary Allen, who wrote None Dare Call It Conspiracy, is using it as the centerpiece of his first chapter. | ||
| Doesn't get more factual than the guy who wrote about the Headless Horseman. | ||
| Because he goes on in this next passage, also about the same topic, right after the one I just read. | ||
| And the typical flat earthers had such a vested interest involved in their own egos that they heaped abuse on Columbus for challenging their view of the universe. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Who? | |
| Don't confuse us with facts. | ||
| Our minds are made up, they said. | ||
|
unidentified
|
What? | |
| So he took the name of his first chapter legitimately from him not knowing dick about history and taking it all from a Washington Irving fictional history of Christopher Columbus. | ||
| Gotcha, gotcha. | ||
| So that's the kind of book we're dealing with. | ||
| That Alex is being like, he predicted that socialism was going to take over through communism. | ||
| This is a guy who is writing a conspiracy. | ||
| book but believes that the man in the high castle is real. | ||
| He's writing now about our history. | ||
| See, the thing is, Time travel is possible, and there are multiple dimensions, and that's why the government won't allow you to cross the border, because the border is actually a dimensional border. | ||
| That's the trick, and they won't fucking tell you. | ||
| I don't want to put too fine a point on this, but I don't think there's time travel in Man in the High Castle. | ||
| Eh, fuck it. | ||
| Once you get into dimensions, eh, you're into time travel. | ||
| At any rate... | ||
| That's the kind of book we're dealing with when we talk about Gary Allen's None Dare Call It Conspiracy. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It's a book of fiction written on a book of fiction. | ||
| And that's not to even bring into... | ||
| You know how in Endgame, when we were going through it, there were all the quotes that were made up? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He does that too. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Of course. | |
| Gary Allen does that too. | ||
| He makes up quotes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's just so much shit. | ||
| It's crazy how bad this book is. | ||
| All right, so he is stupid. | ||
| You've proved that to me beyond a reasonable doubt. | ||
| It's super fun that Alex is bringing that up at the beginning of this intro. | ||
| And that's how we're going to get rid of Bill Ayers! | ||
| So now we're three and a half minutes into the intro of Bill Ayers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Still have not heard from him. | ||
| And we are 85 minutes into the intro of this podcast. | ||
| Jesus Christ, 43. But yeah, so... | ||
| I know now that this is really shitty of me to have named this clip. | ||
| Alex doesn't know how to do brief intros because it might be a pot kettle situation. | ||
| But anyway, here's that clip. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we are now into the second hour of this worldwide broadcast. | ||
| And I've got to hand it to him, joining us here on the 20th day of January 2015 on this Tuesday. | ||
| Bill Ayers, you can say what you want about him. | ||
| He is more than happy to go out and debate people that I guess he disagrees with. | ||
| And he's the former head of the Weather Underground Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois at Chicago. | ||
| I'm not going to go over all the things that he's been involved in. | ||
| Ayers has written extensively about social justice, democracy, and education. | ||
| The cultural context of schooling and teaching has an essential intellectual, ethical, and political enterprise. | ||
| He is a former vice president of the curriculum division of the American Educational Research Association, a member of the executive committee of AERA Council. | ||
| His articles have appeared in the Harvard Educational Review. | ||
| I'm not going to go over all of it. | ||
| BillAires.org. | ||
| And I think what I want to do today... | ||
| Is just let him have the floor the first three, four, or five minutes and say what he has to say because we were reached out to first by some of his people. | ||
| That's his way of saying, like, I didn't ask for this. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't know this was going to happen. | ||
| This is... | ||
| This is going to... | ||
| I'm preemptively letting you know, one, how I hope this ends. | ||
| Two, that whatever it is he says is a lie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because if I don't let you know that, you're going to watch me get my ass kicked all up and down the floor. | ||
| And all of his areas of scholarship and shit are kind of to be mocked. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Oh, dude, God. | ||
| He was reading that resume and you're like, Shit, that dude's got a resume. | ||
| And then you go back and look at other InfoWars guests and it's like, he is the captain of the Happy Fun Ship Boat Night at Bunkerland on Tuesdays. | ||
| He runs trivia at a local bar. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He runs anti-communist trivia. | ||
| We've got a guy who will sell you a postcard with all the words you need to never get arrested. | ||
| All you need to know is that Alex would have fucking Gary Allen on every day if he could. | ||
| So that should tell you. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Resume. | ||
| And I'm glad this discussion or debate is now finally happening. | ||
| They wanted to talk about Common Core, education, things like that. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I want to get into Obama and the legacy. | ||
| I mean, I know Ayers was his mentor. | ||
| I think Obama even lived with him for a while. | ||
| He can correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| And so, I mean, is Obama the messianic? | ||
| Socialist leader they thought would come, or will that be another? | ||
| Spoiler. | ||
| I mean, was Mao the Messiah? | ||
| Was it Lenin? | ||
| Was it Stalin? | ||
| I want to understand this. | ||
| So Bill Ayers joins us. | ||
| We'll also ask him about Larry Grathwald, the FBI informant, and that clip you just heard. | ||
| Does he say that's true, or is that not true? | ||
| So, Bill Ayers, thank you so much for coming on with us today. | ||
| Again, billayers.org. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That is Bill Ayers. | ||
| Boy, he's there. | ||
| He's there. | ||
| He's for real there. | ||
| This isn't a prank. | ||
| He just heard that intro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would leave. | ||
| That's a weird intro to hear and then still be like, well, let's fucking do this. | ||
| There's at least 20 points in this interview that I would have left. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, there's a bunch of points where... | ||
| Alex has his mic turned way down so he can talk over him. | ||
| There's points where his mic is clearly turned off where he's saying, like, that's not fair. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right, right, right, right. | |
| Like, you're making a point. | ||
| You're full of shit. | ||
| Right, that sort of thing. | ||
| There's a bunch of points where, like, his mic is off and he's just laughing. | ||
| Like, because clearly he's just like, what are we doing? | ||
| Bill Ayers does not know who Alex Jones is. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| That should be... | ||
| See, now that's what makes this fun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Neither of them really know what the fuck is going on right now. | ||
| One of them should. | ||
| One of them should. | ||
| One of them has a responsibility to know because it's his show. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| The other one. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| So in this first clip, Alex accuses, j 'accuse Bill of being a communist. | ||
| And this is his answer. | ||
| Then let me just start with communism itself. | ||
| Because most communists say they're socialists. | ||
| But then when you get around them in person, they start telling you about violent overthrows and the plan to take over. | ||
| Do you endorse the type of communism we saw in Russia, in China, or how would you really describe yourself? | ||
| Well, the answer to your question is no. | ||
| But, you know, I've been a person my whole life as an educator. | ||
| I've opposed the notion of labeling people in a simple-minded way. | ||
| But, yes, I am opposed to capitalism. | ||
| I think capitalism is a predatory system. | ||
| I think it's a system that leads to racism, exploitation, etc. | ||
| So, yes, I'm anti-capitalist. | ||
| And I am in favor of participatory democracy, which has been true my entire adult life. | ||
| And that includes global democracy and it includes economic democracy. | ||
| Right now, this clip isn't over, but right now, you can see in Alex's face, I've got to make sure I don't let him talk. | ||
| So yes, all of those things are true. | ||
| If you want to put a label on me, it's kind of complicated, because I would say on the First Amendment, I'm a fundamentalist. | ||
| I am fundamentally in favor of the First Amendment. | ||
| On the question of the economy, I tend towards socialism of a democratic nature. | ||
| In terms of the government, I'm more of an anarchist or a left libertarian than anything else. | ||
| So it's hard to put a single label and say, well, this is what you represent. | ||
| No, it's not true. | ||
| But I am definitely, I believe that we need more democracy. | ||
| In any democracy, the solution to our problems is more democracy, more participation. | ||
| So that's what I fight for. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thank you. | |
| Let's come at it from this angle then. | ||
| Have you changed or how have your views changed since you were one of the core people in the Weathered Underground? | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| That's tough to hear. | ||
| That is a tough way to present yourself when you're the host of a show. | ||
| You let this guy say a very cogent explanation for like, I know that you're calling me a communist, but realistically, a person's much more complicated than that. | ||
| I have a bunch of different facets to my philosophical beliefs. | ||
| I'm crying. | ||
| But then, long pause. | ||
| Have you changed? | ||
| Can we go somewhere else? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because Alex doesn't... | ||
| You're playing on your game. | ||
| I would prefer it if you played mine. | ||
| Well, one of the unfortunate things... | ||
| Well, it's not unfortunate, but it's unfortunate for Alex. | ||
| But one of the things is that, like, as this goes along, you're gonna see... | ||
| Bill Ayers saying a bunch of shit that Alex agrees with. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And Alex doesn't realize that going in. | ||
| No, he can't. | ||
| I hate this guy. | ||
| I have to set him up because he's Obama's mentor. | ||
| He was a terrorist who was trying to create re-education camps because Larry Grathwald lied about it. | ||
| But in principle and in terms of the real world, they're fairly similar. | ||
| What Alex just heard was an actual description. | ||
| Time out. | ||
|
unidentified
|
What? | |
| I accidentally said that they're fairly similar. | ||
| No, no, no, I wasn't. | ||
| What I meant by that just because they're, you know, I don't want the listeners to think I think that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A lot of the good principles that Alex pretends to believe in, Bill Ayers believes in and lives. | ||
| What Alex just heard was a definition of what you could call a classical liberal. | ||
| And so when he hears that, he has to be like, I can't allow that. | ||
| I'm not sure if that's true. | ||
| Jefferson wouldn't be into welfare. | ||
| I'm not saying that it's a perfect comparison. | ||
| I'm just saying that... | ||
| All of the stuff he described is stuff that Alex wants to co-opt and imagine that he is the description of those things. | ||
| That's a good way to put it. | ||
| And whenever he finds out that there is somebody who actually lives those things and he's a fucking fraud who actually is a conservative fascist asshole, he can't handle that. | ||
| But to be fair, at this point, he still hasn't joined Team Trump. | ||
| At this point in 2015. | ||
| He's still got a conservative fascist leaning to him. | ||
| Yeah, there's no doubt about that. | ||
| But they talk a little bit. | ||
| And I haven't cut out much from this because some of the exchanges that they have are not to be believed. | ||
| They're so bizarre. | ||
| But in this next chunk, we find the two men coming together in what Bill Ayers would call a point of unity. | ||
| Let's come at it from this angle, then. | ||
| Have you changed, or how have your views changed since you were one of the core people in the Weather Underground versus 2015? | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm now 70 years old, so of course I've changed. | ||
| I change every day, as you do, and all of us change. | ||
| But in terms of fundamental values, I am... | ||
| I'm deeply opposed to war. | ||
| I'm deeply opposed to imperialism. | ||
| I'm deeply opposed to white supremacy. | ||
| I've been an ally of and fighter for the Black Freedom Movement and for anti-colonial struggles. | ||
| So in that sense, I haven't changed. | ||
| I think the wars that we're involved in now are catastrophic, not just for the rest of the world, but for America itself. | ||
| And I think that we should... | ||
| In that sense, I don't know where you stand on any of these issues. | ||
| I've never talked to you. | ||
| I've never read anything you've written. | ||
| I've never heard your show. | ||
| But I'm wondering, are you closer to Rand Paul when it comes to militarism, or are you closer to John McCain? | ||
| Oh, I'd be Ron Paul. | ||
| So you've got Ron Paul over on the libertarian end. | ||
| You've got his son, unfortunately, moving towards the middle. | ||
| And you've got John McCain completely mentally ill and in shame. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| So in that sense, we have a point of unity. | ||
| Because I think we should close all foreign military bases, as Rand Paul does. | ||
| I think that we should downsize the Pentagon by about 90%. | ||
| I think we should stop the war industry. | ||
| I think we should stop arming the dictators and petty fascists all over the world. | ||
| I think we should become a nation among nations, not the Uber nation, not the controller of everything. | ||
| So in that sense, Alex, we've already found a point of unity. | ||
| What is your view of... | ||
| Barack Obama then. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I did not edit this. | |
| This is so fun. | ||
| I did not edit this. | ||
| This is so fun. | ||
| I didn't just splice it to be like, oh, here's him asking an out-of-context question because he can't answer that. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nope. | |
| He can't rebut that because of... | ||
| Shit. | ||
| All of those things, I'm like... | ||
| I am in favor of those things. | ||
| Or at least I am supposedly in favor. | ||
| I'm supposed to be in favor of all those things. | ||
| My persona is. | ||
| But also, I'm supposed to hate Bill Ayers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm supposed to hate this guy, and I kind of want to fuck him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If only you weren't black! | ||
| He's not black. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I'm just fucking kidding with you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, okay. | |
| Come on, man. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Are we doing a scene for Alex Jones? | |
| No, because he's Obama's mentor. | ||
| That's the idea behind that. | ||
| He's really screaming. | ||
| He's really lashing out at Obama through Bill Ayers. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| That's the idea behind him. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| That's what his entire concept of Bill Ayers is, is that Obama is this guy. | ||
| I'd be fascinated to know if he had any interest in Bill Ayers before the... | ||
| Zero. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Zero percent. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Zero percent. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How many people even... | ||
| Because Bill Ayers was a focus of fears about cultural Marxism and stuff like that. | ||
| There was a part of the John Birch Society fears that's the world that Alex and his dad sort of come from. | ||
| So I could see him being a name that Alex was aware of. | ||
| How many people were even aware of Bill Ayers, period, before Fox News went apeshit on him being associated with Obama? | ||
| You can't imagine that Alex has researched... | ||
| I think I was. | ||
| I knew who Bill Ayers was. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| One of my friends, not growing up, but in college was Kyle Ayers, comedian out of L.A. now. | ||
| Sure, so of course. | ||
| At a roast. | ||
| I accused him of being Bill Ayers. | ||
| Okay, there you go. | ||
| Something about him bombing all the time. | ||
| That sounds like a medium joke. | ||
| Which is good for a roast. | ||
| For a roast? | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| My first year of comedy? | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| I'll take a medium. | ||
| So we get there at the end of that clip. | ||
| We hear him ask out of left field, pivoting over to, what do you think of Obama? | ||
| Now let's find out. | ||
| What does Bill Ayers think about Obama? | ||
| Because Alex would assume that it's, I love the guy. | ||
| No, and this is at the end of Obama's tenure, so Bill Ayers has watched all of those things that he just described. | ||
| Well, what is your view of Barack Obama, then? | ||
| I've always had the same view of Barack Obama. | ||
| As long as I've known him, I've known him for a long, long time. | ||
| Barack Obama, as he said of himself in the 2008 campaign, and as he's defined himself all through his political life, he says of himself, I'm a moderate, middle-of-the-road, pragmatic, compromising politician. | ||
| That's who he said he is. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| The right wing looked at him and said, no, he's not that. | ||
| What he is instead is a secret Muslim who pals around with terrorists and has socialist ideas. | ||
| I have yet to see a socialist idea come out of Barack Obama. | ||
| Are you kidding? | ||
| You're talking about free community college and open borders? | ||
| Let me just say, the left wing looked at Obama and said, I think he's winking in my direction. | ||
| But it wasn't true. | ||
| Obama is a moderate, middle-of-the-road... | ||
| Pragmatic politician. | ||
| That's who he said he was. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| Now he has a record for seven years. | ||
| You can examine his record. | ||
| You don't have to... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Sure. | |
| Hey, Bill Ayers. | ||
| Bill Ayers is our guest. | ||
| Professor Ayers. | ||
| Look, very good tactics about getting a point of unity. | ||
| Why, if you were a Green Beret in a village with the village elders having a debate, you'd find that first point of unity, common ground, in a month you'd have them fighting for you. | ||
| And I understand that. | ||
| But you're not a Green Beret. | ||
| You fight for a different army. | ||
| Who funds you? | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| So now we've reached the point. | ||
| Maybe two minutes into them talking, Alex has heard Bill Ayers say a bunch of stuff that he ostensibly should agree with, and he realizes, I cannot let this man talk anymore. | ||
| I must attack him. | ||
| I have to attack aggressively, and from here on out, we are just going to hear two people have a bad time with each other. | ||
| Because Alex can't handle it, and he's gotta be a dick. | ||
| He's gotta be a fucking dick. | ||
| Alex, well... | ||
| This is a smart move on Alex's part. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is the best move. | ||
| Smart move, fake tech difficulties. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get him off the fucking line. | ||
| Put it on Rob Dew. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, that is a smarter move is to be like, ah, this guy, he blew up his own funk. | ||
| Like, that's a smart move. | ||
| Rob was eating a Caesar salad. | ||
| He was walking around accidentally, banged his head on the transmitter. | ||
| We lost the signal. | ||
| But if you're committed to doing this interview, what you have to do, what he does really well right there is say, um... | ||
| You're lying about everything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who is paying you? | ||
| Also, characterize the idea of us agreeing on something as being an evil attack. | ||
| It's a tactic that you're using. | ||
| Right, right, exactly. | ||
| No, that's a brilliant thing. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And in a certain... | ||
| Because then why try and find another point you agree on? | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| What's the point of even talking if you're like, well, we're never going to agree on anything? | ||
| Yeah, and then also just hope you can weaponize confusion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, hope you can do that, because that's... | ||
| That's going to be his game. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| He's like just trying to keep Bill Ayers confused and just praying it works for the best. | ||
| Well, he's really, as we've seen so many times, Bill Ayers is smart. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Alex, dumb. | ||
| Not so smart. | ||
| He thinks Gary Allen's smart. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| So he is using the powers of the dumb to fight against the smart, which is... | ||
| Yelling. | ||
| Saying... | ||
| Confusing. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Bye! | |
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And all we... | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| I was just going to talk about how that is now applying to Twitter and this whole backyard brawl. | ||
| All they're doing is yelling. | ||
| A whole bunch. | ||
| That's all you got to do. | ||
| So Alex wanted to ask in that last clip, who funds you? | ||
| And this is his way of following up on what he said before the interview, where he's going to come in and pretend that he doesn't get paid by all the mega-rich. | ||
| So here's where this goes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
This is nuts. | |
| Who funds you? | ||
| Because I've read you're connected to the Ford Foundation, Carnegie, and others. | ||
| Have you ever got any funding from those guys? | ||
| Never and I don't even know what that means. | ||
| Who funds me? | ||
| I'm a retired professor. | ||
| I live modestly like other retired professors. | ||
| I'm not sure what you mean. | ||
| You're saying there's not a CIA program back to the 50s to fund liberation theology that I know you're fully aware of at university campuses. | ||
| I hear your paranoia eking through, but I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Liberation theology has nothing to do with campuses. | ||
| It's a movement within the Catholic Church. | ||
| Is it a left-wing movement in the Catholic Church? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| Does it come out of Brazil? | ||
| It does. | ||
| Does Pope Francis, to some extent, is he some extent influenced by that? | ||
| Apparently he is. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That has to do with me. | ||
| Are you excited about Pope Francis and his liberation theology? | ||
| It's hard for me to get excited about a pope. | ||
| I know that for those of you who are Catholic, he's infallible, so I guess the Catholics must be excited about him. | ||
| I think that when he says, who am I to judge, and when he opens himself to the possibility of greater freedom for women, I think those are good things. | ||
| And, of course, carbon taxes for George Soros, though. | ||
| I'm not sure what that means, Alex. | ||
| I mean, I know you've got a big paranoid background that's somewhere bubbling up, but I don't understand. | ||
| I thought you don't know who I am. | ||
| Hold on a minute. | ||
| First of all, real easy to tell you have a big paranoid background based on the last couple things you said. | ||
| Also, Alex, revealing that you, like, what you just said whenever he says, I think you don't know who I am, is him being like... | ||
| I have a paranoid background. | ||
| I'm a paranoid asshole. | ||
| That's who I am. | ||
| Wait, you saw through me immediately? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| That is kind of an admission that like, oh, you'd only know that if you'd studied my work. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| What he didn't get was instantly, he's like, also, Alex was pissed off that he used the word eek because he doesn't understand that word. | ||
| Which is why he kind of giggled. | ||
| Ha ha! | ||
| Eek! | ||
| A big paranoid background. | ||
| Mao killed 84 million people, according to the Chinese government. | ||
| The CIA says 60 million. | ||
| Are you saying that I shouldn't be worried about communism? | ||
| I didn't say that at all. | ||
| You said something about George Soros. | ||
| I don't know anything about George Soros. | ||
| All right, let me ask you this. | ||
| I don't know what you're drawing on. | ||
| You know nothing about George Soros. | ||
| I said, when you say this is a George Soros connection to Pope Francis, I don't know what you're drawing on. | ||
| No, I wasn't saying that. | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
| Word for word. | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| It's about the Pope's liberation theology related to somehow getting carbon taxes that fund George Soros. | ||
| So there is a connection that he's implying between George Soros and the Pope. | ||
| So him saying, I didn't say that, absolutely not true. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| And I was about to get into asking you about George Soros, who is funding liberation theology. | ||
| Does George Soros support liberation theology? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know much about liberation theology, and I know nothing about George Soros except what I read occasionally in the newspapers. | ||
| Well, I mean, community organizing, stirring up groups, that's basically domestic liberation theology. | ||
| Reverend Wright was a liberal... | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| You're throwing out a lot of shit at the same time. | ||
| What the hell are you talking about? | ||
| So there's a lot in that clip. | ||
| I am a professor, and I am used to having arguments with professors, which center on ideas, wherein we communicate regarding those ideas. | ||
| We stay focused on the topic. | ||
| Using that topic, we then take angles towards it. | ||
| And we try and see where each other lands, and then we try and convince each other of our positions and whether or not they are superior or inferior or perhaps equal to each other. | ||
| You, however, have taken everything I've said, ignored it, and then gone into a completely different direction and pretended that that's the same thing. | ||
| And mischaracterized maybe everything. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| I had a... | ||
| When I was in college, I took a class on the Torah, and my professor was a guy named Yossi Feintook. | ||
| Oh, that actually stands for Liberation Theology in Yiddish. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| That's exactly what that is. | ||
| I don't remember a ton of what I learned about the Torah because, I mean, quite frankly, I knew the Old Testament stuff. | ||
| It wasn't that great. | ||
| You had a leg up. | ||
| It was a fun class to take, but the two things I really remembered about him... | ||
| We're more experiential in the class. | ||
| He loved talking. | ||
| Everybody, a lot of conversations, free-flowing conversations. | ||
| He's a good rabbi. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| A good rabbi is a loquacious man. | ||
| Yeah, and one of the things that he impressed upon us really early in the semester was... | ||
| The beginning of any kind of real conversation you can have with anybody is a definition of terms. | ||
| You have to be sure that you're talking about the same thing before you can get anywhere. | ||
| And I don't think they're doing that at all. | ||
| And I don't think that's Bill's fault. | ||
| I think that's Alex's fault. | ||
| No, I'm pretty sure Bill was trying. | ||
| He's trying to nail down what are we talking about. | ||
| If we are going to talk, let's talk about... | ||
| A thing first. | ||
| I'm ready to talk about liberation theology if you want to talk about that. | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| I don't know a lot about liberation theology. | ||
| But I can at least have that conversation if that's what we're talking about. | ||
| Now we've got to jump to George Soros. | ||
| I don't know anything about George Soros beyond what I read. | ||
| But I know something about the Pope, but I don't know a lot about the Pope either. | ||
| It's also hard for me to get excited about a Pope. | ||
| I'm also not saying I like this Pope. | ||
| I'm really not a Pope guy in all honesty. | ||
| Yeah, but you are. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then the second thing that I remember about Rabbi Feintook's class was that he had this thing that he would always tell us about. | ||
| There's a rash? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| No. | ||
| He had an idea that he liked to espouse. | ||
| I think he mentioned this a couple times throughout the class. | ||
| The idea that in life you need to go about your relationships by looking at them and assessing what they're bringing to your life. | ||
| And if they don't bring you something positive, You can walk away from them. | ||
| Which is an interesting idea and something nice to hear when you're 18, 19. Right. | ||
| An entry-level religious studies class. | ||
| If I were Bill Ayers, I would recommend you do that and end this interview early. | ||
| Alex, what is our relationship bringing to my life? | ||
| Not much. | ||
| Gotta go. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nah. | |
| Because he could have hung up at any point. | ||
| Any point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, but he's... | ||
| Like, what I hear right now is him going into full-on educator mode. | ||
| This is him not being able to... | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| This is the asshole in your class who is just trying to get you. | ||
| You've got... | ||
| You've got 50 people in a fucking room and everybody is like, I'm hungover and I just want to go to my next class or whatever the fuck it is we're doing. | ||
| And there's this one asshole who everybody turns and looks at and is like staring daggers at. | ||
| Like, we're going to be here another 25 minutes. | ||
| But the professor is like, my job is to educate you. | ||
| So I'm going to do my job to the best of my ability, and that's where you get into trouble with Alex. | ||
| Because there's no education for Alex. | ||
| There's something to that. | ||
| And in the last clip, we ended with trying to be like, why do you think that... | ||
| Alex was saying that community organizing is just liberation theology. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| And that's what prompted Bill to say, slow down. | ||
| Here's where we go with that. | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| That's liberation theology. | ||
| Community organizing is stirring up groups? | ||
| What's wrong with community organizing? | ||
| No, no, that's a name. | ||
| Radicalizing people has then been named community organizing and is funded by the big billionaires to destabilize. | ||
| Well, listen, I want you to have a counterpoint to that. | ||
| When we come back, Bill Ayers is our guest. | ||
| It is very interesting. | ||
| Billayers.org. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| Fake laugh. | ||
| Alex is laughing because he knows what he's doing. | ||
| I know what he's doing. | ||
| I've known what he's doing this entire time. | ||
| It's not hard to guess. | ||
| He is going to accidentally say what he's doing in a little bit. | ||
| No. | ||
| But before he does that... | ||
| Such the weakest link in the chain. | ||
| Before he does that, he explains after they come back from commercial, because he doesn't give him a chance to rebut. | ||
| Oh, he doesn't? | ||
| He wants him to come up with a rebuttal. | ||
| He just doesn't want him to say it. | ||
| He doesn't offer that time. | ||
| But he does explain some more of his feelings about none dare call it conspiracy. | ||
| And then he lies about China at the end of this clip. | ||
| All right, Bill Ayers is our guest. | ||
| This is a short six-minute segment, a long 18-minute segment coming up so we can really get into a serious discussion. | ||
| If he's up for it, we'll open the phones up so I guess supporters and detractors can call in. | ||
| Here's where I stand, Professor Ayers. | ||
| I don't know if you've read None Dare Call a Conspiracy by Gary Allen. | ||
| I read that book back when I was like 14 years old. | ||
| Since then, pretty much all of it has been proven to be accurate. | ||
| From my perspective, we're ultra-rich crony capitalists, fun socialist and communist movements, but also fascist movements, because they like to deal with command and control systems with domesticated populations. | ||
| And I think that history's shown that collectivism delivers hell on earth and forced work camps. | ||
| Now, that's why I disagree with you fundamentally. | ||
| And I guess you believe that we have a real form of capitalism and you disagree with that. | ||
| I don't believe we have capitalism. | ||
| I believe we have fascism sitting on top of a socialist management system. | ||
| We're back to the food pyramid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that the left-right paradigm that's taught is a fraud. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| I have no idea what you're talking about, but I think that I agree with you. | ||
| I'm against forced work camps. | ||
| I'm against slavery. | ||
| I'm against nuclear holocaust. | ||
| I'm against military bases abroad. | ||
| That I understand. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| I know finance capitalism is one of the great dangers in the world today, but I don't know what you mean about them funding socialists. | ||
| What socialists have they funded? | ||
| And if you say, well, they funded Barack Obama, I see no evidence that Barack Obama is a socialist in any sense at all. | ||
| It's been declassified that the CIA did indeed put Mao Zedong into power in 1949. | ||
| Where do you find that? | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| History Channel, but it was previously declassified. | ||
| You know, I've never heard of that, but that's fascinating, and Mao Zedong is no hero of mine, so there we are. | ||
| So there we are. | ||
|
unidentified
|
There we are. | |
| Oh man, if you're called... | ||
| Where'd you find that? | ||
| History Channel. | ||
| If you are Alex Jones and you are fucking called on in class to be like, where did you come up with that? | ||
| History Channel. | ||
| You know what else I've seen on the History Channel? | ||
| Ancient Aliens, bro. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I've seen a lot of shit on the History Channel. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| He can't come up with the real... | ||
| No. | ||
| I'll tell you what, spoiler alert. | ||
| The CIA didn't put Mao Zedong into power. | ||
| They didn't? | ||
| No, the CIA was formed in 1947. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh! | |
| Right? | ||
| Mao Zedong came into power in 1949. | ||
| That was their first act. | ||
| Officially. | ||
| That was their first act. | ||
| Officially. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| But he was already pretty much in power before that. | ||
| It was their job to make it official. | ||
| No, because... | ||
| The CIA was created to make... | ||
| Mao Zedong officially. | ||
| So there was a war going on for control of China. | ||
| Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Zedong had sort of differing opinions on things. | ||
| Oh, did they? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so what ended up happening was around 1946 or so that we decided we should be backing Chiang Kai-shek, but it's going to be a huge hassle. | ||
| A little bit behind on that one. | ||
| It's going to be too much. | ||
| It's a lot of work. | ||
| China's tough to govern if you're Chinese. | ||
| Yeah, and so we withdrew support because we knew that it would be an expenditure of lives and unbelievable amounts of resources. | ||
| And so to the extent that the United States government decided to not get involved on behalf of someone who was our ally, yeah, we did do that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We passively allowed Mao Zedong to come into power. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Perhaps because they knew that was what was going to happen. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| Even in 46, they knew that Mao was probably going to win that clash. | ||
| Well, I mean, immediately following... | ||
|
unidentified
|
You could hope. | |
| Immediately following the... | ||
| Because at this time, we're still dealing with the ramifications of the rape of Nanking. | ||
| And that's when you get into, like, if you have a foreign power... | ||
| Decimating your entire population. | ||
| You're going to wind up getting a nationalist leader who says he's going to protect you from the foreign powers. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of the game. | ||
| But that was in 46. CIA forms in 47. Mao is officially in power in 49. The timeline does not work in any way that like, oh yeah, within a year and a half of the CIA forming, they were able to... | ||
| Craft their ability to put into power a dictator in the biggest country in the world. | ||
| You're misunderstanding that the CIA was only officially put into place. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| We're talking about the secret CIA. | ||
| We're talking about the black CIA. | ||
| This is where Bill Ayers would do a jack-off motion. | ||
| That's kind of what he was doing when he was like, where did that come from? | ||
| History Channel? | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right, buddy. | |
| The History Channel, but it was declassified before. | ||
| Congratulations on that shit sentence. | ||
| That's real bad. | ||
| I am a big fan. | ||
| For some reason, I just love the idea of a completely reasonable person suddenly being confronted with the most unreasonable person. | ||
| A person... | ||
| The type of which this guy... | ||
| But also, the person who you're casting in the role of the most reasonable person set off bombs. | ||
| I know! | ||
| But in my world, that is the most reasonable person. | ||
| Seems like a reasonable thing to do. | ||
| To be honest, right now, that seems like the most reasonable option. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But just this, like, oh no, you exist. | ||
| Like, that's what I hear in this interview the whole time. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| I'm fucked, aren't I? | ||
| You're an insane person that represents a movement of insane people, and I am not going to reach you. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You might be projecting too much of the teacher spirit. | ||
| I'm projecting a ridiculous amount. | ||
| This goes on, and I don't think at any point Bill was mad. | ||
| I think he was... | ||
| At best, annoyed. | ||
| I'm not saying he's mad. | ||
| I'm saying he's more crestfallen. | ||
| I believe he's crestfallen. | ||
| I think he may be for a second, and then it passes quickly into intellectual superiority. | ||
| And just like, let's try to have some fun here. | ||
| I'll try and figure out what he's talking about. | ||
| We could talk about it if I can... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| If he will actually say what he's talking about. | ||
| So he starts turning Alex into a puzzle. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| Like, Bill Ayers stops having a conversation and starts playing Sudoku. | ||
| He's on for an hour. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| He's on for an hour? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| You can't, at that point... | ||
| Refuse. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So, that last clip, I think, went so poorly for Alex that, at this point, he's just gotta, like... | ||
| I think he was hoping to hold on to the bombings. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's his back pocket. | ||
| I think he was hoping that it would be a trump card for him, but he's like, I've got to get to it. | ||
| So he just gets petty about the bombings real early in the interview. | ||
| He throws this out. | ||
| You're speaking academia speech where you're this nice, mild-mannered guy, and you're there with your significant other, Bernadine Dorn. | ||
| I guess you guys were never involved in any bombings or anything, right? | ||
| No, that's not true. | ||
| We were involved in trying to stop the murder of 6,000 people a week by our government that dragged on for 10 years. | ||
| I was involved in nonviolent sit-ins. | ||
| I was involved in all kinds of tactics that were legal. | ||
| And eventually we did turn to what I would call extreme vandalism. | ||
| We destroyed property to raise a screaming opposition. | ||
| To the murder of 6,000 people. | ||
| You didn't bomb police officers or blind police officers? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Nothing like that ever happened. | ||
| I know it's part of the narrative of the right, but it's just not true. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So Weatherman bombs never wounded police? | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Weatherman bombs never wounded police? | ||
| Never. | ||
| Because you know what I'm going to do with all this. | ||
| We're going to take this live interview and then take clips of what you're saying and then show them throughout. | ||
| That's the whole point. | ||
| That's the whole point. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| So there's the part where Alex accidentally reveals... | ||
| You know what I'm going to do in this interview? | ||
| I'm going to take the things you say, I'm going to edit them to say what I want them to say, and then I'm going to overlay them with the things that you don't want me to say. | ||
| I'm using you as a prop, to some extent. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I... | |
| Alex! | ||
|
unidentified
|
Do you think you're the fucking first person to ask him about this? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think he has been a professor for how long? | ||
| How many job interviews do you think started with, are you going to bomb us? | ||
| Like, come on! | ||
| The FBI fucking grilled him about this. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No shit! | |
| Like, it's crazy. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I've made it through my entire life, but you know what? | ||
| Alex, you got me. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| I understand the impetus to perhaps paint things in a way. | ||
| What, ego? | ||
| Well, no, to say that you never hurt anybody with your bombs and what have you. | ||
| But the number of bombings that they have copped to leads me to think, like... | ||
| If they'd have bombed a building and they accidentally hurt somebody, they'd be like, yeah, we did that. | ||
| That was unfortunate. | ||
| Whoever did it, you take the blame for it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because the only instances I can find, really, of, like, weathermen-related people, like, they blew up a townhouse, and the only people who got hurt were the people who were making the bomb. | ||
| They fucked up, and there was that. | ||
| And they say that that was an instance of, like, from then on, we became very... | ||
| Right. | ||
| To make sure even our own people weren't hurt. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| There were a couple people who tried to rob a Brinks truck, like one of those safe trucks. | ||
| That sounds fun. | ||
| But that seems more like an instance of just like... | ||
| They were people who were involved with Weather Underground who were also trying to rob a Brinkstone. | ||
| Weather Underground doesn't sound like a rob kind of... | ||
| No, because there would be more... | ||
| I don't think I've... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| There would be more than one instance of it if that was sort of the thing that they were into. | ||
| That seems like a couple members of it. | ||
| That sounds more like the plot of Die Hard, doesn't it? | ||
| Or just a couple members went rogue. | ||
| They're supposed to be terrorists, but actually they're robbing shit. | ||
| That sounds like those guys. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's the plot of Die Hard. | ||
| If the plot of Die Hard went 10 years, you know, like if it was 10 years. | ||
| Dude, now that's a great movie. | ||
| Because The Weather Underground existed for a long time. | ||
| Technically speaking, the plot of Die Hard did go for at least 10 years. | ||
| I would go with like, what, 30 years now? | ||
| Oh, you count the sequels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm talking about one movie. | ||
| Ah, alright. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Not interested in this conversation, turns out. | ||
| Trying to jog my memory, I'm like, nope, don't care. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| So, um, oh, the other one was, uh, there was a bombing that, uh, police, like a policeman got injured at, uh, around the time that the weathermen were active. | ||
| Which was not necessarily a weatherman bombing. | ||
| They say they weren't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No one has proven that they were. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would be willing to believe either. | ||
| Like, I would be willing to believe, like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| No one's proved it to me. | ||
| If they wanted to hurt people, the way that they were able to operate as a terrorist organization for years... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Leads me to believe they could have killed a lot more people if they wanted to. | ||
| They could really have killed a lot of people. | ||
| And the fact that it was a lot of really smart people involved, like, you could have had some really good strategies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So to me, my gut tells me they wouldn't do all of this politically motivated, like, legitimate... | ||
| Extreme vandalism, as he calls it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right, right, right, right. | |
| And then jeopardize it with, ha ha, let's try and hurt a cop who doesn't even die. | ||
| The guy gets hurt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That seems like a waste of the entire principle that you stand for. | ||
| I can't imagine them... | ||
| One, I think part of the reason that they were successful for so long is that they didn't actually kill people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, that was kind of part of the big deal. | ||
| Keeps you a little bit lower on the priorities list. | ||
| Yeah, if you are just destroying property... | ||
| Well, then again, if you're destroying rich people's property, that's far more important to the legal system than killing a million poor people. | ||
| But what are you going to do? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They didn't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe they did. | ||
| There's no way for me to know. | ||
| I don't know this to be true, but I assume they're the motivation for Project Chaos in Polaniuk's Fight Club. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I assume so. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Inasmuch as they just destroyed an empty building that made like a... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I don't want to talk about Fight Club either. | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| Guy's gross. | ||
| And this is when we abandon our entire podcast to just do a pod... | ||
| Let's do a podcast about Chuck Palahni. | ||
| It's called Chuck Palahni, fuck yourself. | ||
| So... | ||
| I believe, sincerely, that the Weathermen didn't kill anybody, and if they hurt anybody, it was not intentional. | ||
| It was an unfortunate side effect of a bomb. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| Well, it's a bomb. | ||
| It's a fucking bomb! | ||
| That seems like a really shitty thing for me to say, and in terms of anybody who gets killed by a bomb, that's an unfortunate side effect of a bomb. | ||
| It was entirely their intention. | ||
| To not hurt somebody. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Their intention was to destroy property, to bring attention to the shit that was going on. | ||
| All the murder overseas. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And so, I believe they had a... | ||
| I guess all I can really say for certain is, from everything I know and hearing Bill and reading as much as I've read... | ||
| I believe that there was a principle involved. | ||
| I think there was a desire for a politically motivated act, which makes Alex's question that he asks... | ||
| I kind of think that's the only thing that can be confirmed. | ||
| But Alex's response and his question that he has about bombings is super weird. | ||
| Oh, it's also exactly what you'd expect. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about because... | ||
| We were involved. | ||
| I was underground for 11 years. | ||
| The weather underground was very active between 1970 and 75. Our government, people like John McCain, killed 6,000 people a week for 10 years, and we engaged in illegal, some would say ill-advised, crossing lines of legality and maybe common sense. | ||
| We were involved in extreme acts of vandalism to destroy property to raise a screaming alarm against courts. | ||
| They claim that Tim McVeigh was angry about Waco and blew up that building. | ||
| The evidence shows it's a false flag to blame the right. | ||
| But expanding on that... | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about about Waco. | ||
| I'm not sure what you... | ||
| I'm asking you, do you think it was okay what McVeigh did? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| He murdered people, innocent people, in the federal building. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| We never did that, and we never murdered anybody. | ||
| So that's what McVeigh did. | ||
| It was horrendous. | ||
| Was Larry Grasswald... | ||
| I heard he tried to debate you. | ||
| Have you ever debated him? | ||
| So that's another, like, shift of the question. | ||
| Switch! | ||
| Cut! | ||
| Cut! | ||
| He's just constantly trying to be like, move, move, move, move, move. | ||
| Keep moving. | ||
| I don't like your answer. | ||
| I don't like your answer. | ||
| Whatever your answer is... | ||
| I'm going to disagree with it. | ||
| I want to get... | ||
| What he wants is... | ||
| I already asserted that OKC was a false flag. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If we talk about it too much longer, you're going to realize I said that, and you're going to prove that wrong. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Let's keep moving. | ||
| Larry Grathwalt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's interesting because it's like an interview on 60 Minutes where there's a bunch of gotcha questions, but the answer is never played. | ||
| It's almost like a one-sided... | ||
| It's like you cut a gotcha interview with just questions and then you show a picture of the guy looking at you. | ||
| It's a non-interview. | ||
| It's like a gotcha interview where the guy didn't show up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is Clint Eastwood yelling at a fucking chair at the RNC. | ||
| It's not, though. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| No, because it's like if Obama was actually in that chair, and he was like, well, actually. | ||
| And then politely explained, like, well, you've got some things a bit wrong. | ||
| And then Clint Eastwood threw a smoke bomb down. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| And all Clint Eastwood saw was an empty chair. | ||
| But in reality... | ||
| That sounds very Clint Eastwood-y thing to do. | ||
| In reality, there was the person he was yelling at there who was like, I would beg to differ, Clint. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not a bad Obama. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| You don't do impressions, but that wasn't... | ||
| The voice isn't great, but the inflection? | ||
| You got the inflection. | ||
| It wasn't even an impression. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That wasn't a good impression. | ||
| It was an attempt. | ||
| So, at this point, at the end of that last clip, you heard Alex say, what about Larry Grathwold? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was the guy who we heard earlier, who was an FBI informant who had infiltrated the weather underground. | ||
| Had a bit of an agenda. | ||
| Now, this response that Larry gives... | ||
| Not Larry, I'm sorry. | ||
| This response that Bill comes up with is so logical, so exactly how you would respond if you weren't making something up. | ||
| And it is the biggest problem for Alex. | ||
| It's such a huge problem. | ||
| Was Larry Grathwald... | ||
| I heard he tried to debate you. | ||
| Have you ever debated him? | ||
| No, never. | ||
| And he's passed away now, but Larry Grathwald was a pathological liar, a paid informant of the FBI. | ||
| I don't know if you're a fan of the FBI, but Larry Grathwald was paid to lie, and none of what he said was true or has ever been proven to be true. | ||
| Well, I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff the FBI has done. | ||
| But it's pretty much a creature of whoever runs the Justice Department and the White House, but I'm certainly not a fan of communists. | ||
| So Larry Grathwell is a creature of the Justice Department, correct? | ||
| Of the Justice Department he was under, but he... | ||
| I think there's good people and bad people in there is what I'm saying. | ||
| Or do you not like that Justice Department? | ||
| I believe that when you guys recruited him and reportedly tried to get him to train you in military tactics, I mean, I think it was good to stop violence. | ||
| None of that is true. | ||
| Larry Grathwell hung around SPS. | ||
| Everybody thought he was a cop. | ||
| It turns out he wasn't a cop. | ||
| He was simply a paid informant, paid to lie, and that's what he did. | ||
| None of what he said ever resulted in anything. | ||
| So the fact that he tried to make a second career out of himself... | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| He was not a truthful person. | ||
| He never told the truth. | ||
| We gotta go to break. | ||
| Come back. | ||
| You can finish responding to that. | ||
| Give us your view on education. | ||
| That sounds edited. | ||
| That sounds edited. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's not just the levels, though. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| The levels make it sound like he said more, and the broadcast was like, no, no, no! | ||
| If he did, then they did it. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| No, no, I'm not saying you did it. | ||
| I'm saying they did it. | ||
| I'm taking this straight off the Alex Jones channel. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm saying that the levels make that sound like they cut off from there. | ||
| But you know what's crazy about that? | ||
| What? | ||
| Why didn't they edit the rest of this? | ||
| Or why didn't they not post this? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, they are still Infoward. | ||
| If they're trying to protect... | ||
| The business somewhere in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what they're protecting, because that looks terrible. | ||
| See, now that's what I'm interested in. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Even edited, even if that's edited, that's terrible. | |
| Because that sounds... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe Alex drops character for just a moment, and he's like... | ||
| Please stop. | ||
| Okay, I'm sorry. | ||
| No, no, not you. | ||
| I was being Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was being Alex. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Please, Bill, Bill, please stop. | ||
| I'm begging you. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| Human to human, please. | ||
| I'm just trying to do my job here, man. | ||
| You're trying to do a job. | ||
| I've got a job. | ||
| Can we just... | ||
| Bill, I'm not so stupid that I don't recognize that what you just made me do was agree with the Nixon Department of Justice. | ||
| You just made me accept that the Nixon Department of Justice was awesome if I'm going to retain my belief that Larry Grathwall is a good source. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Shit. | |
| Come on, man. | ||
| Fuck, logic is a tough game. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| So tough. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Here's what they cut out. | ||
| Here's what they cut out. | ||
| Alex going, you're mean. | ||
| You're... | ||
| You're making me feel bad. | ||
| Could have also just been him kicking into autopilot and selling iodine. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Or maybe just a long pause. | ||
| Maybe he has a stroke? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| He just reds out and then 20 minutes later he wakes up and he's like, oh my god, we're talking to Bill Ayers. | ||
| Could have also been a minute of just like nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's entirely possible. | ||
| I actually buy that more than anything else. | ||
| Because that clearly, you hear it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You hear it. | ||
| That's not the same audio. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| But it also is like, I could recreate that right now. | ||
| I don't want to do that because it would blow out the mics. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I could, like, without any editing, I could talk like this and then scream into the mic. | ||
| If I was, like, overly excited. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there's a chance that he would be so aggressively, like, let's go to commercial! | ||
| That's also possible. | ||
| That he would just be eating the mic and, like... | ||
| I put it... | ||
| I can't let him say any more. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| I can't let him say any more that he's made too good of a point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We'll go to commercial, you can get back to it. | ||
| You'll get back to it, asshole. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| Asshole. | ||
| Because, I mean, the obvious... | ||
| Because that's dammit. | ||
| Well, the obvious point is they're like, hey, you know how I'm still free? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I was lying because everyone's investigated this shit. | ||
| And you know how I'm not in jail? | ||
| And I've held down a job. | ||
| You know how I wasn't convicted of murders? | ||
| The only possibility otherwise is that every single president or other, like Department of Justice, which by the way has changed over and over and over again, even like... | ||
| Within precedent. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not arguing that Jeff Sessions probably isn't trying to convict Bel Airs as we speak. | ||
| Democrat, Republican, all of them. | ||
| Throughout the history. | ||
| From 1970 whatever down. | ||
| So what are we talking about? | ||
| We're talking about 48 years or so since 1970? | ||
| A few. | ||
| All that time. | ||
| Everybody has just been like, we're in on it. | ||
| Let this man slide. | ||
| Now let's... | ||
| It's just nonsense. | ||
| It's such bullshit. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Of course it is. | |
| It's such bullshit. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| That idea, though, of just... | ||
| Like, it's so simple. | ||
| What is? | ||
| You know how I'm not in jail right now, Alex? | ||
| I didn't do anything. | ||
| That's because that guy lied. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because if he was telling the truth, I had committed a capital punishment. | ||
|
unidentified
|
If that guy was telling the truth, I would have been... | |
| I would have been put to the death penalty. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| There's literally no other prescription for that crime. | ||
| And if the FBI cared enough to implant someone in the organization who was credible and came out with that information. | ||
| They would have gone hog wild on them. | ||
| Regardless of who was president later. | ||
| Because I got a spoiler alert for you. | ||
| Until the time that the Weather Underground stopped existing, it was all Republican administrations. | ||
| Now, granted, you'd get caught up in the end of Nixon getting impeached and what have you, but you still have Ford. | ||
| They were busy. | ||
| You still have Ford until 77, or, you know, 77 being when the Weather Underground stopped existing. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Or when they went inactive. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Someone would have prosecuted. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| At least a little bit. | ||
| I guess that's our point. | ||
| Now, here's my other point. | ||
| What's your other point? | ||
| At this point, Alex has still been sort of keeping his shit together a little bit. | ||
| This is when he loses it? | ||
| Yeah, in this next clip he loses his shit. | ||
| Which, again, points to my this is edited theory. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm going to lean into that's edited. | ||
| No, because that was leading to commercial. | ||
| Right, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| That goes out to commercial. | ||
| So then we come back from commercial, and that's where he kind of loses it. | ||
| All right, I had thought Bill Ayers was with us until the end of the hour. | ||
| He's got to go at 50 after now, or maybe he always did. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you, first of all. | ||
| First of all, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Oh, now he's got to leave earlier, or maybe I didn't know anything. | ||
| I don't know, one of the two. | ||
| Why even bring it up then, you piece of shit? | ||
| We'll have time to take a few phone calls at 800-259-9231. | ||
| I'd like to hear from some Bill Ayers supporters. | ||
| We don't screen your calls, just your name and where you're calling from and how you're listening. | ||
| What are the odds that Bill Ayers supporters are listening to Alex Jones' show on a random day? | ||
|
unidentified
|
You haven't heard of the Facebook group Info Weather Underground Wars? | |
| Dembillayersfans.org. | ||
| If you support this guy, I'd love to hear from you. | ||
| Or if you've got a serious question and don't support him, it's wide open, 800-259-9231. | ||
| Look, I don't want to waste our time here with a he said, she said. | ||
| I go to your website, billayers.org. | ||
| And there's a red star on a black background up there. | ||
| Looks pretty Maoist to me. | ||
| You say you didn't like Mao. | ||
| Was Larry Grathwald wrong that you guys followed a Maoist cultural revolution style system at the Weathermen? | ||
| Yeah, he was wrong and he was lying. | ||
| But the red star and the black background is also the signet for Heineken beer and Macy's. | ||
| So be careful what you worry about. | ||
| Oh, come on, man! | ||
| You're a famous commie! | ||
| Just admit it, you love linen! | ||
| First of all, I'm not famous. | ||
| Secondly, I don't know what you meant when you said... | ||
| Bill Ayers supporters call in. | ||
| We haven't had one substantive exchange, you and me. | ||
| So I don't know what one would think to be a supporter. | ||
| You mean if somebody has read one of my books and has something to say about it? | ||
| We haven't talked about anything substantive. | ||
| Okay, well, again, you're setting and defining things, like MSNBC saying, parents, your kids don't belong to you. | ||
| Let me ask you this question. | ||
| Do you support abortion? | ||
| Wait, when did I say that? | ||
| When did I say parents don't belong to their kids? | ||
| I said MSNBC. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| That is... | ||
| That's jarring. | ||
| I love this interview. | ||
| I love this interview. | ||
| I wish all interviews were like this. | ||
| I'm done with any kind of conversations that exist. | ||
| I am all about some random dude just saying random shit towards people who are befuddled. | ||
| I want befuddled everything. | ||
| You almost have to diagram that to a certain extent. | ||
| You have him being like, well, look. | ||
| You're a dick. | ||
| What's the diagram? | ||
| The diagram is a pachinko machine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's just falling. | ||
| It's just random-ass bullshit. | ||
| Who knows where it's going to land exactly, but it's going down. | ||
| It's going down hard. | ||
| But you start with, like, hey, fuck you. | ||
| You say you're not a Maoist, but look at your logo. | ||
| And it'd be like, well... | ||
| That's Macy's... | ||
| You know... | ||
| There's a lot of people who have logos that are similar. | ||
| He's not saying anything other than, like, well, there's a lot, you know, like, maybe I just like the color scheme. | ||
| I think that's kind of the bottom line of what he's saying, because so does Macy's. | ||
| And Alex, then he's like, you are a famous commie, you son of a bitch. | ||
| Well, I'm not famous. | ||
| Also, fuck you. | ||
| What are you doing with this show? | ||
| No one knows who I am who are listening. | ||
| Why would they be my fans? | ||
| What, they've read shit I've written? | ||
| What is going on here? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Why are you presenting things this way? | |
| It's so great. | ||
| Here's what I see. | ||
| Purely... | ||
| So then Alex gets into the... | ||
| Are you into abortion? | ||
| No, well, that's what I'm saying right now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alex is just trying to needle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Alex wants him to lose his shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| At some point, Alex just wants him to get mad. | ||
| One of us has got to, and it can't be me. | ||
| I just want you to get mad and yell at me about something so I can cut that into a clip. | ||
| That's all I want! | ||
| Just give me that! | ||
| Or I need you specifically lying about something hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's not going to get either of those things. | ||
| But he is going to get some really good audio of himself losing arguments. | ||
| And here's the first of them. | ||
| When did I say parents don't belong to their kids? | ||
| I said MSNBC said that. | ||
| No, they did not. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| They said we need to break through this view that kids belong to their parents and that they actually belong to the wider community. | ||
| You know, I'm so bewildered about what you're talking about. | ||
| Let's talk about the question of whether kids belong to their parents. | ||
| If a kid is being... | ||
| Let's talk about that. | ||
| In general, I think, yes, indeed, children and their parents and their families are sacred sacrosanct, absolutely. | ||
| But if a parent is raping the child, the community has an interest in stopping that. | ||
| Do you agree with that? | ||
| Yes, so you agree with Melissa Harris-Perry? | ||
| Or you disagree with her? | ||
| Wait a minute, about what? | ||
| Well, that's her statement about the kids. | ||
| The point is, we know all communist systems try to take over the kids. | ||
| The question, if a parent is raping a child, does the community have an interest in it? | ||
| The local community, but not the central communitarian. | ||
| Okay, that's fine. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| The local community has an interest. | ||
| So, I mean, I'm not sure what the big distinction is, but you and I then agree. | ||
| The child and the parent is sacrosanct unless something... | ||
| Unless we need a... | ||
| What do you think about Obama wanting a domestic security force just as big and just as strong as our military and having youth brigades chanting his name? | ||
| So good. | ||
| I didn't know he was doing that, but I'm opposed to all domestic security forces. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So good! | ||
| You know what just happened in that last... | ||
| So good! | ||
| You know what just happened in the last four seconds? | ||
| Alex had to and did admit I'm wrong. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| And then had to move along to, what do you think about Obama doing this security force thing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Had to come up with another point because otherwise, if he let that sit too long, he would have drawn attention to the fact that fucking Bill Ayers just made a point that was like, okay, there is a community interest in people's parents not being shitty to them. | ||
| Now, if that is the case, do you think there is an advantageous thing where the community does not benefit from allowing that abuse to continue? | ||
| Yep, sure. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You're wrong, then! | ||
| Move along, move along. | ||
| This is an argument. | ||
| Child armies. | ||
| This is why you can't actually argue with an unreasonable actor. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Of course! | |
| This is perhaps the most perfect distillation of it that I think I've ever seen. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Really astonishing. | ||
| You're gonna like where it ends. | ||
| Because Bill is crushing this. | ||
| Because so many people, it would take... | ||
| And imagine what he's saying when his mic is on mute, or whatever. | ||
| Oh yeah, no, I've had many of these conversations that, like with members of my own family, where it's like, it takes a while to lead them down this path, and they get angry the whole time. | ||
| They're like, I don't like where this is going! | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| Feeling good about this! | ||
| And then you get there, and they're like, we're done talking. | ||
| You know, like that kind of thing. | ||
| And he just did it in two sentences. | ||
| That's astonishing. | ||
| Props where props is due, man. | ||
| He fucking... | ||
| Master. | ||
| Also, why are you doing this, Bill? | ||
| Why are you doing this? | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| Why are you doing this? | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| You could not do this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it might have been like a niece or a nephew who was like, it would be so fun if you did this. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Do you mean like how an actor will do a kid's movie? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm not presuming that Bill Ayer's nephew or niece is a fan of Alex Jones. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But they're aware of them. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| My friends on Twitter are like, this guy's crazy. | ||
| It would be so awesome. | ||
| I will show them the clip the next day. | ||
| You would run circles around him. | ||
| It would be so easy. | ||
| You would be so confused, too. | ||
| It would be so funny. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| I can't think of, or maybe a bad assistant. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There are very few explanations that I can come up with Because, I mean, well, he is retired. | ||
| He is retired. | ||
| True. | ||
| What else you doing that day? | ||
| Bored. | ||
| Bored. | ||
| I gotta be clear, though. | ||
| Like, there is a moment, probably three minutes in to the beginning of the interview, where you can see in his face, like, oh boy. | ||
| Like, he knows, like, I'm kinda in... | ||
| I'm kind of in for it. | ||
| I'm in the shit. | ||
| Yeah, but at the same time, he sticks around for the whole hour. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| He's on Skype, right? | ||
| He's not on phone. | ||
| In this next clip, and you can see his facial gestures there. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I do recommend everyone watch this video. | ||
| After this, I am going to watch this. | ||
| So in this next clip, I would say this is the point where Bill starts to fight back a little bit. | ||
| And start to be a dick back to Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Which I think is delightful. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| Now we're getting into it. | ||
| Well, I'll say this. | ||
| We have a big video out today that's going viral where we expose American Sniper as a giant hoax. | ||
| So just so you know where I'm coming from, I attack everything I see as baloney. | ||
| So I agree. | ||
| There's right-wing tyranny. | ||
| There's left-wing tyranny. | ||
| I attack everything I see as baloney as well. | ||
| And right now, I'm feeling like you're the biggest baloney here. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Do I support Melissa Harris Perry? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I didn't even know what you're talking about. | ||
| Well, that's like the mouth of sore on MSNBC. | ||
| You're like a real celebrity over there, and so that's the kind of stuff they're saying. | ||
| You're absolutely mistaken. | ||
| I am not a celebrity anywhere, but certainly not on MSNBC. | ||
| That is pure bull. | ||
| You are almost like a Christ-like figure in the circles of hardcore commies. | ||
| Show me some evidence of that, Alex. | ||
| That's so fascinating. | ||
| I feel like I'm just sitting here in my home trying to write something this morning. | ||
| I'm suddenly having a conversation with you, and you're bringing up these gigantic categoricals. | ||
| I have no idea what you're referring to. | ||
| Sure, let me just play Melissa Harris-Perry for you in a promo. | ||
| They still air. | ||
| Real quick, Alex is going to play it, but you can hear that Bill is still talking. | ||
| This is my position. | ||
| Alex is talking over him because he needs to force this down the throat. | ||
| They've been hearing this for three years. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
|
unidentified
|
So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. | |
| Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the households, then we start making better investments. | ||
| So do you agree with that or disagree with the lean forward Marxist-Leninist statement? | ||
| I only got a little piece of that because I was talking, but... | ||
| I'll once again give you the example, and you tell me if you agree. | ||
| No, no, we've already been over that. | ||
| Let me ask you this key question. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, no, no, don't say it again. | |
| No, you already kicked my ass. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Don't use that counterexample again. | ||
| No, no, no, please. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Stop, stop, stop. | |
| Stop. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Stop. | |
| Look. | ||
| It hurts me. | ||
| You know my feelings are hurt. | ||
| Again, it's back to I beg you for mercy, Bill. | ||
| Oh, please. | ||
| Please, Bill. | ||
| There's no other explanation for that response. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, we've been over this. | ||
| We've been over this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have. | ||
| And you lost. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You lost that exchange hard. | ||
| Why you would play that clip again after you lost boggles the mind. | ||
| Which only makes it even more clear that that argument... | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love this part. | ||
| This is getting good. | ||
| So now Alex brings up eugenics. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Which Bill Ayers is notably into. | ||
| As you can... | ||
| Look at all of Bill Ayers' writings. | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| Where he talks about race memory and, you know, eugenics and how the white race is superior? | ||
| He has a deep history of interviews that he's done on television where he talks about being into gene stuff. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Talking about how, like, he has good German blood. | ||
| Oh, that's Trump. | ||
| No, that is Trump. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But, you know, Alex asks about eugenics, and I think that, honestly, I'm not, I regret on some level that I just really like Bill Ayers, because, like, I do on some level think, like, you know, I know you didn't mean to hurt anybody with those bombs, but I still think that's pretty extreme. | ||
| But it was an extreme time. | ||
| I have a difficult time with that. | ||
| I think his answer about eugenics is perfectly measured. | ||
| I think it's a really good answer. | ||
| My only thought so far listening to Bill Ayers, and I don't know a ton about him, is listening to him call it extreme acts of vandalism is kind of like, all right, dude, come on, just fucking say you bombed some shit. | ||
| Because I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| I don't think that's a negative! | ||
| No, but that sounds like... | ||
| I'm kind of fine with me. | ||
| I'm kind of fine with bombing shit if it doesn't... | ||
| Look, what else are you doing? | ||
| Extreme acts of... | ||
| What else are we gonna fucking do? | ||
| Extreme acts of vandalism sounds like that late 60s, early 70s, Abbie Hoffman kind of like a flamboyant language. | ||
| It's a euphemism. | ||
| Redefining terms. | ||
| I don't like euphemisms, period. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't like cheese and rice. | ||
| I don't like frick. | ||
| Hard rice? | ||
| My family says, oh, this is frickin' bullshit. | ||
| Fuck off! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Say fucking! | ||
| That's what it means. | ||
| Don't say extreme acts of vandalism. | ||
| You blew that shit up because they were doing an infinitely worse shit, so fucking own it! | ||
| Something that is no euphemism. | ||
| Also, Ivanka Trump is a feckless cunt, so there's that. | ||
| Gotta edit that out. | ||
| Something that is no euphemism is eugenics. | ||
| Are you aware that IBM and the eugenicist movement funded much of the modern left and Margaret Sanger, who got awards from Hitler, gave awards from Hitler, and the whole Great Society was a plan to take... | ||
| Got awards from Hitler. | ||
| Got awards? | ||
| Gave awards from Hitler. | ||
| ...take over black communities and exterminate them because they're, quote, weeds. | ||
| Well, I know that the eugenicist movement and Margaret Sanger and Hitler and a large part of the American society were eugenicists, and academics were eugenicists, and I think it's all part of a very heinous part of human history and the human condition. | ||
| Well, I agree with you, and from our research, the left represents the core vestigial movement, and at its base, it's eugenical. | ||
| Maybe you never got that high in the power structure, but that's what it is. | ||
| I had no idea, but this is news to me. | ||
| I have no idea what you're referring to. | ||
| I don't know that the left, I mean, to me, the Hitler and the right-wing notion of racial superiority and white supremacist has never been, you know, a core value of the left. | ||
| But, so again, I don't accept your premise. | ||
| I don't know what you're referring to. | ||
| There's a lot of that in this interview. | ||
| I don't accept your premise. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's the reasonable person's response to Alex Jones is, what the fuck are you talking about? | |
| It's tough because I think a lot of people don't know that that's an option. | ||
| A lot of people don't understand that you can be in a conversation with someone and they can say something like, no, I don't accept that. | ||
| No, that's... | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Nah, dude. | ||
| If you would like to assert that, you're welcome to, but until you can prove that that's a thing, I'm just going to say no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Nah. | |
| I'm going to sit it out. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And because Bill Ayers is a smart man... | ||
| I am welcome to you proving that statement. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| In which case, I will engage with it. | ||
| I will take it up. | ||
| Up until that point... | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Yeah, or not even go fuck yourself, but just like, I got nothing for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have nowhere to go with this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What conversation is there to have? | ||
| You're arguing something that's made up. | ||
| Well, it goes back to the definition of terms. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| You have introduced a term. | ||
| I say I disagree with that. | ||
| So there we go. | ||
| Let's come to the middle. | ||
| Let's walk away from this. | ||
| And more often than not, Alex is just like, let's walk away. | ||
| I can't prove this. | ||
| I can't prove shit. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| So now Alex brings up Carol Quigley. | ||
| Oh, Carol Quigley! | ||
| Tragedy and Hope. | ||
| The 1,300-page book that I read a couple hundred pages of. | ||
| And studying the passages that are taken out of context in the None Dare Call Conspiracy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Such a disaster, this reading. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But also, I will say, I think that this book, Tragedy and Hope, is amazing. | ||
| I would love to have maybe a three-month break from doing this show, where I could go to... | ||
| Carol Quigley's house. | ||
| No, the Bahamas. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Bahamas! | |
| I don't know, just the beach. | ||
| You wouldn't go to a beach. | ||
| I'd go to Greece. | ||
| You'd be terrible at going to a beach. | ||
| Take me to a Grecian beach. | ||
| Take you to Greece? | ||
| I can't afford to take you to Greece. | ||
| Grecian beach. | ||
| If you would like to donate to knowledge. | ||
| I think it would be fun to have a relaxing week or so where I do nothing else but get through Tragedy and Hope. | ||
| Because I've read a lot of it, and the sense that I get from it is like, this is really interesting, in-depth, alive. | ||
| A piece of historical narrative. | ||
| It tells a story really well. | ||
| The paragraphs flow into each other super well. | ||
| There's way too much information in it, but somehow you don't get bogged down in it. | ||
| There's a lot of explanation for why certain pieces of history flowed into other pieces. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| To this point, I'm going to trust you. | ||
| However... | ||
| You do believe that the passive voice is fine, so I'm gonna hold... | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I'm gonna hold judgment! | ||
| It's the same thing with John P. Holdren's Ecoscience textbook that Alex complains about all the time. | ||
| It's like, I started reading that, I'm like, holy shit, I didn't really understand water cycles. | ||
| Now I do. | ||
| Like, that sort of thing. | ||
| Give me Barbara Tuchman all day. | ||
| There's so much to be gained. | ||
| That's some good sentence structure. | ||
| There's so much to be gained by reading the things that Alex misrepresents, is what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with you. | ||
| I would love to read the other 700 pages that I haven't read of Carol Quigley's Tragedy and Hope, because I get the premise of it. | ||
| The tragedy in Tragedy and Hope is that... | ||
| Hope exists. | ||
| No, it's that humanity keeps fighting with each other, and we're just destined, it seems, to... | ||
| Do so forever. | ||
| Keep doing that. | ||
| Until we die. | ||
| And then hope is... | ||
| The hope part is the hope that we can end that at some point and come together and work to get past these vestigial, horrible impulses that we have. | ||
| Thus the tragedy leads way to hope and the hope leads way to tragedy. | ||
| And every single specific reference that I've found from Alex... | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
From... | |
| Gary Allen from Joel Skousen. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| I'm sorry, W. Cleon Skousen. | ||
| From any of these dudes who reference Carol Quigley. | ||
| Every single specific reference that I find from the text, I go and I read like 50 pages each direction, and they don't say at all what these dudes claim they say. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| They haven't read the whole book. | ||
| They haven't. | ||
| They take passages out of context. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And they do that specifically in order to attack their version of liberalism that exists in their mind. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's not important. | ||
| I only bring this up to say that Alex is stupid. | ||
| And in this next clip, he gets even stupider by bringing up Carol Quigley, who's Bill Clinton's favorite author, to a guy who doesn't give a fuck about Bill Clinton. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, like, why do people keep doing that? | ||
| Why do you bring up Bill Clinton to people who are fucking on, like, fuck Bill Clinton! | ||
| As Carol Quigley wrote, have you read Tragedy and Hope by Carol Quigley? | ||
| No, I have not. | ||
| That's Bill Clinton's top mentor in his words. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| He wrote an unofficial secret history for the State Department so their section chiefs could understand why they were funding fascists and communists. | ||
| That's not at all what the book is. | ||
| ...and totalitarians, and he admits in the 1100-page book how the whole game works. | ||
| It's not 1100 pages. | ||
| I mean, clearly, big corporations try to control the left and right, right? | ||
| I don't know much about Bill Clinton, but I've never been a supporter of Bill Clinton. | ||
| And so, again, you're trying to make some connection that I'm not following. | ||
| I haven't read the book. | ||
| I don't know he was Clinton's advisor. | ||
| I've never been an admirer of Bill Clinton. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm trying to get at the fact that there are robber barons funding socialist and communist movements from Arm& Hammer to people like... | ||
| George Soros, who just got caught spending $33 million trying to hype up the Ferguson protest. | ||
| Are you aware of that? | ||
| I am not. | ||
| I am not. | ||
| And George Soros, again, I know nothing about George Soros, but the idea that somehow big capitalists are funding movements that would want to overthrow them seems preposterous to me. | ||
| But again, you're... | ||
| Crashing through the lies, so maybe you know something I don't know, but I don't know it. | ||
| So asking me about it is if I'm an expert on it, I have no idea what you're referring to. | ||
| Well, here's the deal. | ||
| The system promotes communism or socialism as the only way to rebel against corrupt forms of capitalism, and I just think that's a total fraud, and I'm sick of it. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I don't think that's true, and I think that... | ||
| That, you know, most systems, and certainly the American government, hates dissent, despises dissent, and does everything it can do to ruin it, to wreck it, to reframe it. | ||
| And so, no, I don't accept the terms that are given to me. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Get him! | |
| Oh, God damn it! | ||
| Got his ass. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Boy, that's tough to get around. | ||
| That, uh... | ||
|
unidentified
|
I just... | |
| What I'm trying to get at is that the robber barons who fund me are better than the robber barons that I made up in my brain who don't fund me. | ||
| I'm sorry, I just don't understand what I have to do with this thing you're imagining. | ||
| No, the robber barons that don't exist are better or worse, maybe, than the ones that do exist. | ||
| I don't know anything about George Soros. | ||
| And he's a Nazi! | ||
| Blank. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I don't know why you're asking me about him. | ||
| Because you have been associated with the people that I associate with George Soros, even though I don't know who you are. | ||
| You mean the foundations? | ||
| No, that's not who I mean. | ||
| I mean the demons. | ||
| Oh, the demons. | ||
| The Bill Clinton. | ||
| The Bill Clinton demons. | ||
| Have you seen Hillary? | ||
| She's Billory. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Demons! | ||
| What you're really talking about is the foundations. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| I know what I'm talking about. | ||
| And I don't know what you're talking about is that you're talking about what I'm talking about. | ||
| I've slipped out of character from being... | ||
| I'm much more comfortable when I'm doing a character of being Alex. | ||
| I don't like being... | ||
| You don't like going the opposite direction? | ||
| Nah, I don't like it so much. | ||
| Let's try it the other way. | ||
| Are you going to start? | ||
| I don't know what the scene is. | ||
| You would never make it past level two in Second City. | ||
| Certainly not. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Might be an asset as a writer. | |
| Maybe on an offbeat show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Offbeat. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| At SNL, you got three characters, but you're going to be relegated to a writer. | ||
| I'm not going to lie to you. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| So I'd like to write you a story about this next clip. | ||
| Not as good a transition as you're used to doing. | ||
| I'm going to go with a minus one on that one. | ||
| Trying to get this show to land within a reasonable amount of time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| So Alex, like I said, he's losing points left and right on this show. | ||
| And this is what I was trying to set up in that character about the foundations. | ||
| They're talking about the Ford Foundation and what have you. | ||
| And Alex is making aggressive accusations about them. | ||
| And then he loses a point. | ||
| I'm not saying the foundations are right-wing or left-wing. | ||
| They push fake left-wing ideology as a form of domestication. | ||
| I don't think anything with left-wing ideology. | ||
| You take the Ford Foundation. | ||
| The Ford Foundation, you know, funds mostly horrible, controlling, racist kinds of things. | ||
| I don't have anything to do with it. | ||
| The Ford Foundation wants the open borders. | ||
| What do you think of Obama acting unilaterally more and more? | ||
| Not even executive orders, but just doing whatever. | ||
| Right there already, as you've lost a point. | ||
| You lost a point. | ||
| I can't breathe. | ||
| I can't breathe. | ||
| It's jarring. | ||
| I can't breathe. | ||
| That hurt my neck. | ||
| In debate. | ||
| That hurt my neck. | ||
| Do you know that the Pinto just got sued for that crash right there? | ||
| And that's not even... | ||
| I mean, this clip's not even done. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's great. | |
| The Ford Foundation, what do you think of Obama? | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| What? | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Well, it's like, that's Alex, like, just quickly realizing, like, I fucked up. | ||
| Gotta bounce, gotta bounce, gotta bounce. | ||
| Keep moving, keep moving. | ||
| What else we got? | ||
| Rope-a-dope. | ||
| Whatever he wants. | ||
| I don't know what, again, what are you referring to? | ||
| For example... | ||
| Open borders! | ||
| The power plant! | ||
| I don't think he's done anything about open borders. | ||
| I think the idea, for example... | ||
| In fact, deportations went up. | ||
| ...which he did unilaterally was a good thing. | ||
| I think it should have happened... | ||
| 50 years ago, I think the idea that somehow the United States has gained anything by trying to destroy Cuba also has hurt the Cuban people. | ||
| So that's a fair point. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah, Bill just making fair point. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Ugh. | |
| Just dancing. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Just like... | ||
| So far, so far, I'm on Bill's team all the way back from bombing shit to now. | ||
| Only problem I have with him is him calling it extreme acts of vandalism. | ||
| Up until that point, zero problems with Bill Ayers. | ||
| Alex, I will say, it seems like his kryptonite is someone saying, what do you mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's not used to it. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| He's used to flattery and then a change of subject. | ||
| There will be no chance that he shows up in Austin on June 15th when we're there next Friday at Beerland. | ||
| Nicely done. | ||
| Another plug for people who have kept around this long. | ||
| There's no way he'll show up, but if he does, I will just keep saying, what do you mean? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| All I want, the only dream I have is that David Knight shows up. | ||
| David Knight's in bed before time. | ||
| See, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I want David Knight to show up. | ||
| David Knight ain't coming. | ||
| Actually, I want to give David Knight a microphone. | ||
| Just so we can both be like... | ||
|
unidentified
|
You're so boring! | |
| I want to give David Knight... | ||
| You're so boring! | ||
| I want to give David Knight, like, six shots, and then after the show, we dance around to, like, Came Out of a Lady by Rubble Bucket. | ||
| That's not bad. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Me and David Knight making a two-man conga line. | |
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| I don't discount that as a possibility. | ||
| Look, I think this probably would be the greatest podcast of all time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You and I just spitballing. | |
| What kind of parties we would have with the InfoWars personalities. | ||
| But we've got to finish this fucking episode. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| Let's dismount. | ||
| Let's call it a night! | ||
| Alright, so Bill Ayers and Alex are talking. | ||
| And Alex, at this point, is still working under this assumption that he and Bill disagree about everything. | ||
| And so Alex is like, I love guns. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Bill. | ||
| Bill loves bombs. | ||
| He's not a gun guy. | ||
| You must hate guns. | ||
| I think there's a culture clash here because we're not in the controlled left or controlled right paradigm. | ||
| I mean, I am a feminist in that I want women to all be trained how to use firearms. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Let me guess, you don't want the citizens to have weapons, right? | ||
| No, that's not true, but I'm a feminist in the sense that I think women should be paid equally for equal work and have the right to control their bodies. | ||
| Sure, should women be able to own guns? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, good, so you're not for taking the guns, like Chicago's done. | ||
| Never have been. | ||
| I don't know what you're referring to. | ||
| Joe, you're an old-fashioned type commie. | ||
| You believe in raising that AK-47. | ||
| Either we should go one of two directions. | ||
| We should either disarm everybody starting... | ||
| With the most massive military establishment ever established on Earth, and that's the U.S. military. | ||
| We can disarm them, disarm the police, disarm everybody, or we should go the other direction and arm the homeless, which I think would be a great thing. | ||
| I think there are a lot of good people among the homeless. | ||
| So, real quick, this is Bill's way of having like, well... | ||
| Literally, everyone should be homeless. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Everyone should be armed or no one should be armed. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| His use of the homeless there as an example is... | ||
| Is a gotcha moment for Alex because he doesn't... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I think he's sincere. | ||
| I think he's sincere. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not saying that it's a gotcha moment specifically tailored to Alex. | ||
| I'm saying that it is a gotcha moment for an ideology that suggests everyone should be armed. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And yet is... | ||
| 100% against people being armed that they don't like. | ||
| Bill 100% is setting up Alex to say something that he never calls him out on. | ||
| And I actually respect the hell out of this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Bill, by saying that we should arm the homeless, is then precipitating Alex saying, well, they're crazy. | ||
| Which is actually... | ||
| That Alex's response is, some people shouldn't be allowed to have guns. | ||
| Alex is accidentally revealed on air, through his stupidity, and his just being lulled into some sort of comfort, that he believes that there are... | ||
|
unidentified
|
I think I made a priority. | |
| But not in the same way that I think you expected. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| But, there we go. | ||
| Why not have them all get a little study? | ||
| I'm okay with white genocide. | ||
| I'm sad for homeless. | ||
| I try to help them, but most of them are schizophrenic drug addicts. | ||
| Well, good Lord. | ||
| Ted, why aren't they getting help? | ||
| I bet you $10,000 you can come to Austin with me, and if 90% of the homeless aren't mentally ill people dumped out of facilities, who I feel sorry for, or aren't total drug addicts, I'll give you $10,000. | ||
| I mean, everybody knows they're mainly mentally ill. | ||
| When we count on you to be the diagnostician, I'd be a little suspicious. | ||
| No, we can bring like three random people with us. | ||
| I mean, if the person's muttering to themselves and talking to themselves, I mean, obviously they're completely out of their minds. | ||
| I mean, you know most of the homeless people. | ||
| Listen, you've been muttering to yourself for the last 45 minutes. | ||
| Good one. | ||
| But listen, Alec. | ||
| Should I be locked up like the Soviets would do? | ||
| Am I mentally ill? | ||
| If they are mentally ill on the streets of Austin, Shouldn't they get some help from the community? | ||
| Shouldn't we allow them to get treatment? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'm all for that. | ||
| But you notice the welfare system always gets sucked up by the corporations. | ||
| It's a different kind of welfare system. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| He just got... | ||
|
unidentified
|
But at least he had the dignity to at least like, Ha ha ha! | |
| Well done! | ||
| Here's why fighting games. | ||
| We'll always have a far greater truth to them, which is... | ||
| If somebody just pulls a street fighter combo on you like that, you fucking die. | ||
| And you have to play the next match. | ||
| Yeah, you're knocked out. | ||
| There's a whole cutscene. | ||
| Everybody knows you just got murdered. | ||
| But it would be more like that would be... | ||
| It wouldn't be a KO. | ||
| It would be like a nice try. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Well, nice try. | ||
| Fatality. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He just grabbed Alex's skull and pulled it out of his skin and then revealed that he had no skin and then burned it to the ground. | ||
| That was... | ||
| I mean, it starts with... | ||
| I have never been more sexually attracted to a man than... | ||
| This 73-year-old dude. | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| I would make love to him immediately. | ||
| Alex being like, hey, I think you don't want people to have guns. | ||
| I'm totally fine with people having guns. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| It's my perception of feminism is more about their ability to be existing in the equal space and economy. | ||
| Like, whatever. | ||
| Let's harm homeless people. | ||
| Alex being like, let's not, which also indicates that he thinks that some people shouldn't have... | ||
| Seems like the Second Amendment has limits, which is what Alex would argue against most of the time. | ||
| And then the idea of him using that as a secondary ping-pong to be like, also, you're crazy, Alex. | ||
| Look, as an ardent tennis fan, Bill just hit a winner. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| He just hit a cross-court forehand into the corner, Dan. | ||
| No, because that was a no stopping that. | ||
| That was two minutes, but it was also like three aces. | ||
| It is 15 love. | ||
| No, it's 45 love. | ||
| It's 40 love. | ||
| It's 40 love. | ||
| It was three aces in a row. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So good. | ||
| He's serving them up high. | ||
| He just got, oh God, Alex just got murdered. | ||
| And the best part? | ||
| Alex does not really understand how bad he just got murdered. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| I think he does. | ||
| He can process it on a certain level. | ||
| Like when he said, ha ha ha, you got me. | ||
| When he said that, you got that he realized he was beat. | ||
| He does not know how much he was beat by. | ||
| He can't process the extent to which he was just... | ||
| Beaten into the fucking ground. | ||
| Nor does he understand how deep he's already in on this episode. | ||
| This is brutal. | ||
| This is an ass-kicking of the highest order. | ||
| He's six underground, at least. | ||
| And so, this entire time, he's been trying to present the image that Bill Ayers is some sort of arch commie, which we know from his label, or his logo that is very similar to Macy's. | ||
| Stars. | ||
| Macy's, bars, etc. | ||
| That argument is hurt by Bill's later analysis on this episode of the Communist Manifesto. | ||
| The Communist Manifesto is not a plan for state communism. | ||
| It's not a plan to overthrow the government. | ||
| It's not a playbook for communist revolution. | ||
| What it is is mainly a praise song for capitalism. | ||
| It basically says in the historical sweep of... | ||
| The rise of capitalism is the most productive force that's ever been made, and it's going to exhaust itself. | ||
| I think that the communism of the 20th century was catastrophic for humanity. | ||
| I think the socialism of the 21st century, 20th century and 21st century in Europe is inadequate and in many ways feeds the corporate culture. | ||
| I think we need participatory democracy, and that includes participatory economic democracy, that is. | ||
| Socialism is a stagnant, rotten cesspit that lets special interests control big pools of money. | ||
| That's why big money always is backing limited socialism. | ||
| And I'm glad you just basically admitted that it's all nothing but a corporate welfare system that controls the population. | ||
| Gary, thank you. | ||
| In Europe, yes, Alex. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't think you should be surprised. | |
| If you've ever read anything I've written, I write about these kinds of things all the time. | ||
| Folks can read your website. | ||
| Let's rush us some more calls here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've been illiterate since I was nine. | ||
| That was Alex thinking he had a gotcha, and then Bill being like, if you'd read anything I've ever written, you'd know that that's exactly... | ||
| This is not a new point that you're bringing me to. | ||
| Which is then something that I want to... | ||
| Now I just want to have a conversation with Bill about... | ||
| They should try and get him on. | ||
| Like, oh shit, like the pitfalls of... | ||
| I bet I could get in touch with him. | ||
| I actually bet you could. | ||
| Hey, burrito, send him an email. | ||
| No, I bet you could three... | ||
| Look, if your dad is an academic... | ||
| These guys are retired academic. | ||
| That's not the point. | ||
| Yeah, I'll text my dad. | ||
| I think that would be great. | ||
| Because I would be interested in having a conversation about the pitfalls of a participatory democratic economic system as well. | ||
| Because that is not exactly an infallible system on its own. | ||
| Like, all I am... | ||
| Like, at the end of the day, I love watching Alex get dunked on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what I'm really interested in is talking to Bill about what's going on in his head. | ||
| Like, he is a fascinating dude with a great story. | ||
| He's a brilliant guy. | ||
| I want to know... | ||
| Oh, man, I'm in love with Bill. | ||
| I'm in love with Bill. | ||
| Well... | ||
| I'm in love with him, Dan. | ||
| Here's where you're going to learn about what he thinks about... | ||
| If you say he's a soft yes on white genocide, I think we just made a match. | ||
| No. | ||
| Tinder just crushed it! | ||
| Your girlfriend's position is safe for now because this next clip is more about whether or not Obama's lying about his daddy. | ||
| No! | ||
| And then Alex says something. | ||
| Well, now I'm bored again. | ||
| Alex gets a little racist. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I wanted to find out if he had ever seen a film by Joel Gilbert. | |
| This is a caller. | ||
| Joel Gilbert. | ||
| No, is this a caller? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, I got that one. | |
| And if so, what was his take on that film and how did he feel about it? | ||
| I've not seen it and I've never heard of it. | ||
| Frank Marshall Davis. | ||
| Did you know him? | ||
| I never knew Frank Marshall Davis. | ||
| I read about him in the New York Times. | ||
| New York Times! | ||
| So Barack never told you that was his pappy? | ||
| You know, I knew Barack Obama about as well as thousands and thousands of other people. | ||
| We weren't intimate friends. | ||
| We never shared a milkshake with two straws. | ||
| Never. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, nobody ever said you did that. | ||
| You'd have to be cuddling to be doing that. | ||
| You never dated Barack Obama. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I never dated him, right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
unidentified
|
All right. | |
| Also, Dan. | ||
| You never need to say... | ||
| Now, I haven't listened to every show that Alex has ever done. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| But any time you have ever said, this is a caller... | ||
| The accent gives it away every time. | ||
| Regardless of what the accent is, somehow every accent that a caller has is fucking bananas. | ||
| No, it's the Alex's caller accent. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It has no region. | ||
| It has no consistency. | ||
| It is just, oh yeah, no, you would call into Alex Jones' show. | ||
| I swear to God, I could hear 20 voices. | ||
| I could pick six out of them. | ||
| They're like, you would call Alex. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, right? | ||
| Yeah, and four of them had in the past and two were planning on it. | ||
| Yeah, and it's not like, oh, well, this is a Louisiana accent. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Oh, well, this is a Georgia accent. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| South Carolina? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| This is an Alex accent. | ||
| There's a distrust. | ||
| There's an uncertainty. | ||
| There's just a certain quality. | ||
| It's the same way you can hear, like, stimulant abuse in people's voice. | ||
| You can sort of hear that. | ||
| You can hear pothead in someone's voice. | ||
| There are various, like, attributes you can hear. | ||
| In people's voices. | ||
| It reminds me of Patton's joke about B-word fat. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You can tell when a person is fat by how they say, I bought the bracelets at Bergen's. | ||
| But that's a physical trait. | ||
| We're talking about emotional traits. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm not making one-to-one comparison. | |
| I understand that. | ||
| It's an analogy. | ||
| Trying to move the conversation forward. | ||
| It's an emotional trait. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| You got really fucking defensive. | ||
| What? | ||
| I can't get defensive every now and again? | ||
| Because I wasn't invalidating what you were talking about. | ||
| I was saying... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm sorry, Dan. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Love you, too. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So now... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you think... | ||
|
unidentified
|
The answer already I know is going to be wrong. | |
| I'll tell you what... | ||
| Whatever it is I think is not going to be what happens. | ||
| I'll tell you what Alex thinks. | ||
| What does Alex think? | ||
| Alex thinks that... | ||
| I am, first off, shocked this is still going on. | ||
| Bill is still here. | ||
| He's very patient. | ||
| How is... | ||
| He even made it through a caller? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A couple of them. | ||
| A couple of them? | ||
| One of them we're about to listen to is real bad for everyone involved except Bill Ayers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But Alex thinks that Bill is into Hillary. | ||
| Bill Clinton is into Hillary. | ||
| Bill Ayer's not so much into Hillary. | ||
| Bill Ayer's hate... | ||
| He's already made it clear that he doesn't like Bill Clinton. | ||
| Knowing only what I know about Bill Ayers right now, Bill Ayers is at best milquetoast on Obama. | ||
| He could not be for Hillary. | ||
| He seems like he's only into Obama because he met him when he was in college. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| It's very much like I disagree with a lot of what he's done, but he seems like... | ||
| He's been an apologist his whole life. | ||
| He's a kind guy. | ||
| I'm not going to lie to you. | ||
| He's a kind human being. | ||
| We were friends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hillary's a piece of shit. | ||
| I don't know if you know this or not, but if you're a left-wing person, guess what? | ||
| You think Hillary's a piece of shit. | ||
| So in that last clip, they were talking about getting milkshakes with Obama. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that metaphor comes back. | ||
| Well, who would you share a milkshake with? | ||
| Hillary Clinton or Rand Paul? | ||
| You know, I find Hillary Clinton. | ||
| I could never vote for Hillary Clinton. | ||
| She's in the pocket of Wall Street. | ||
| But also, Trump is not in the scene at this point. | ||
| Fuck, marry, kill. | ||
| Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Milkshake. | ||
| Rand Paul. | ||
| Milkshake. | ||
| I'm gonna marry that milkshake. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I got a lifelong time with that. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Fuck Hillary Clinton, and I'm gonna murder Rand Paul. | ||
| That's sexist. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Why? | |
| Wait, what if I... | ||
| The pause is what kills it for me. | ||
| The pause is what makes it for me. | ||
| What if I started with murdering Rand Paul? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Okay. | |
| She's a militaristic candidate, and those are the two things that matter most to me. | ||
| Rand Paul, I agree with him more around the question of militarism, but he also is a Wall Street favorite. | ||
| Neither one of them, really. | ||
| I'd like to share a milkshake with you in Austin. | ||
| Alright, if you come down here, we will share a milkshake. | ||
| So now, Alex has kind of realized we have three more clips, but one is substantive, and then the other two are Alex just desperately trying to save face. | ||
| He has now had this, like, this is an opening to Riff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're talking about milkshakes. | ||
| We're going to have a milkshake. | ||
| Let's skip all of this shit where you dunk on me. | ||
| Let's just have a good time. | ||
| Let's pretend the last... | ||
| I mean, we've been talking about this way too long. | ||
|
unidentified
|
We really have a hard time imagining this as an hour interview. | |
| Let's go ahead and take two more calls and we'll let you go. | ||
| I appreciate your time. | ||
| This is a ridiculous debate, folks. | ||
| We'll get him in person down here. | ||
| We'll waterboard him. | ||
| That's what patriots do. | ||
| We'll get the answers. | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| We just waterboard people? | ||
|
unidentified
|
What? | |
| It's a joke. | ||
| I don't support waterboarding. | ||
| Even though Dick Cheney... | ||
| You know, I'm a big fan of Dick Cheney, though. | ||
| I'm so shocked. | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| His riffing is so bad. | ||
| That's so bad. | ||
| Conservatives will never be funny. | ||
| It'll never happen. | ||
| You know, sometimes you go out to comedy shows and they have two hosts. | ||
| Like the Putterball sisters. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You watch a two-hour comedy hour here in Chicago. | ||
| You see Andy Fleming and J. Michael Osborne hosting together. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right, right, right. | |
| You see the two of them, and then one of them will say something. | ||
| The other one will get really mad. | ||
| It's a joke! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You see that kind of riffing in the wild. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| You ever see that two-man act? | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| It's nuts to me how often... | ||
| Alex will say something that he's presenting as a joke, and someone will be confused, and then he'll get mad. | ||
| They're like, it's a joke. | ||
| It's a joke! | ||
| But your joke was just, I'm into Chaney. | ||
| He has no reason to think you're not. | ||
| He's made it clear, and is clear. | ||
| He doesn't know who you are. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Except that you like Rand Paul, and he has already established, Bill Ayers has, that he also thinks of Rand Paul as a corporate candidate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's also a Wall Street guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You think he's on the outside. | ||
| He's not. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| He's a shithead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rand Paul? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Well, only because he was too racist for mainstream. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Only because he publicly... | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| I've been going... | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Now's not the time. | ||
| We're going to get there. | ||
| We're going to get there, Dan. | ||
| But I don't know when it'll ever come up again. | ||
| I don't know when it'll ever come up again. | ||
| Throw down. | ||
| I found a clip from an episode that I don't think I'll ever be able to play. | ||
| I wish I had it at the ready right now like I had a sound effect box. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's our big failing is we don't have a... | ||
| We don't have a... | ||
|
unidentified
|
We don't have a morning radio DJ. | |
| A Moog modulator. | ||
| Clips of Alex at the ready. | ||
| I found a clip of Alex Jones where he says... | ||
| I'll find this and I'll post it eventually just because I have to confirm everything I say. | ||
| He says... | ||
| That every time a newspaper, like the Los Angeles Times or the Washington Post, whenever they don't sign an editorial, that means that it's the sense and the position of the paper. | ||
| Now, if that's true, then Ron Paul put out a newsletter for years, and all of the things that were written in it were unsigned. | ||
| But they were all written in the first person, and a bunch of them were racist as fuck. | ||
| Admiralty law! | ||
| No, but if that argument stands... | ||
| Capital letters! | ||
| But if that argument stands for the LA Times, Washington Post, any other newsletter, then that means that everything that was written in the Ron Paul newsletter that didn't have a byline on it is the sense of the paper. | ||
| And the sense of that paper is one article, there's advice in terms of getting away with murder. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Jesus. | |
| You're right. | ||
| I shouldn't have gotten into that. | ||
| No, I'm fine with you getting into it. | ||
| So, I would say that the only caller that Alex has on the show that asks a meaningful question, because most of them are a little bit dickish. | ||
| They're kind of like... | ||
| They're Alex Jones callers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're sort of trained to be against Bill Ayers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One guy has a question about education. | ||
| And admittedly... | ||
| This guy is coming at Bill from an aggressive position. | ||
| Already. | ||
| Off the jump. | ||
| But at least his question is an invitation to something substantive. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Which is heretofore unheard of. | |
| Well, and Bill allows the... | ||
| Insults that this guy is clearly throwing at him. | ||
| Like he's never heard a question laced with insults before. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Water off a duck's back and just tries to deal... | |
| I'm literally a professor who's dealt with... | ||
| It's like a road comic who's been on the road for 30 years and it's like, oh, you think your heckle is fucking new? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| That's a road hack who bombed in the 70s. | ||
| Alright. | ||
|
unidentified
|
But I question that, because you look at the current state of our educational system, it's absolutely just blasphemously ignorant and disgusting. | |
| Is that something that you advocate as being appropriate, or do you find there's a better model than what this public system is doing to demolish the brains of these young children? | ||
| Well, I very much have been a person who's opposed the status quo in education, where I think we could start in a lot of different places. | ||
| We could start, but one of the things is public education very much serves the people who are privileged. | ||
| So you go to a city like Winnetka, north of Chicago, those kids get a great education. | ||
| Go to Chicago, those kids get a rotten education. | ||
| Why? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Because the education for the people who are pulling the strings is an education for initiative, courage, imagination, and entrepreneurship. | |
| The education the kids in Chicago get is about obedience and conformity. | ||
| Real quick, don't say a thing. | ||
| I just want to tell you, this exchange goes terribly for Alex. | ||
| Just ahead of time. | ||
| I didn't say anything. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I'm pausing here for... | ||
| I specifically... | ||
| I'm pausing... | ||
| And when I didn't say anything, you felt the need to continue saying anything. | ||
| I was trying to be quiet. | ||
| I'm pausing here to just enjoy that gorgeous sentiment that he gave. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then just to reinforce, this is going to go so bad for Alex. | ||
| Well, that's true, but shouldn't people in Chicago themselves change that? | ||
| To say some small, wealthy town shouldn't use its own money for its kids is just fundamentally theft. | ||
| Alex, you asked the question, and the answer I'll give you is yes. | ||
| Shouldn't the people in Chicago change it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So, I mean, I want people to do good. | ||
| And, I mean, certainly there's inequity, but there will always be any attempt to change it by just taking money creates a new evil. | ||
| Patrick? | ||
| You know, again, I never said anything about taking money. | ||
| Here's what I would say. | ||
| In a democracy... | ||
| Whatever the most privileged and wisest parents have for their children should be the baseline of what we want for all children. | ||
| But we're not a democracy. | ||
| We're a republic. | ||
| We can't have two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. | ||
| Well, the fact is that we want all kids, I want all kids to get a decent education. | ||
| And a decent education is not an education for obedience and control. | ||
| Do you like Common Core? | ||
| No, I do not like Common Core. | ||
| And the hugest thing that's... | ||
| Hideous about Common Core is it goes along with the corporate reform agenda of reducing education to a simple-minded score on a standardized test. | ||
| Well, I agree with you because... | ||
| More testing, more testing. | ||
| That is an anathema to education. | ||
| Well, yeah, the left defends it all day, but you're actually right. | ||
| Bill and Melinda Gates came up with it as a brainwashing system. | ||
| It is a corporatist thing, and the right wing can't square that, that their precious corporations want a bunch of dumb zombies. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| When you say the left supports it, who are you talking about? | ||
| I think you've got some magical mindset somewhere. | ||
| Am I the left? | ||
| I don't support it. | ||
| So who's the left that you're referring to that loves commentary? | ||
| The mainline Democrats that can't tie their shoelaces and think that Martin Luther King is an astronaut. | ||
| But I just said to you, I thought that leading Democrats are idiots, and they're like leading Republicans. | ||
| In fact, we have one political party in this country in charge. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's called the Repulsocrats. | |
| Nice. | ||
| The repulsor crats. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, I do... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's Alex falling in love with him the same way you've fallen in love with him. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hold on. | |
| Hold on. | ||
| Did we just put a poster of Bill Ayers dunking all over the American government? | ||
| Did we just put a poster of... | ||
| Is Nancy Pelosi have a basketball in her balls right now? | ||
| What just happened right there? | ||
| Look, look. | ||
| As far as the American government goes, fuck it. | ||
| And Bill Ayers is right. | ||
| And go fuck yourself. | ||
| No, totally. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| But more to... | ||
| Fucking nailed it. | ||
| But the dynamic that we're more interested in is Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, no, I apologize. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm just having a great time. | ||
| Look, how many... | ||
| Dan. | ||
| How many fucking times on this show has anybody ever come close to the way I feel about shit? | ||
| There's very few instances. | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| For the first time, there's a guest on Alex's show who is like, I'm 95% on Jordan's side. | ||
| But he's not yelling. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| He's not yelling. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's why I'm leaving the 5% out. | ||
| The 5% is loud. | ||
|
unidentified
|
The 5% is me. | |
| Calm down. | ||
| Just say your piece. | ||
| But yeah, no, it is interesting because if you had been around in the 70s, you probably would have been bombing shit. | ||
| Oh, I would have been bombing shit so hard. | ||
| I'm halfway towards bombing shit now. | ||
| I just can't. | ||
| You're the mad bomber who bombs at midnight. | ||
| I'm the mad pooper, actually. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Is that from The Tick? | |
| Yes, I believe so. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But like the cartoon version? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, like Chirapace Chippenvale. | |
| What's his face? | ||
| Patrick Warburton. | ||
| He was in both. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Also on news radio. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Do you want to talk about... | ||
| Yeah, he was on the fifth season of news radio. | ||
| Who cares about the fifth season? | ||
| He took over for Jimmy James. | ||
| He was Johnny Johnson, I believe. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right, Dan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Flying the bird. | ||
| Don't care about anything that happened past season three on NewsRadio. | ||
| I will accept season four. | ||
| Phil Hartman dies. | ||
| I am out. | ||
| Phil Hartman dies at the end of season four. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| At the beginning of season five. | ||
| I was off by one. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| But anyway. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Every year I watch NewsRadio and then cry once a year. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| So, at this point, Jordan, we've got to end this episode. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| We're on eight and a half hours. | ||
| But we will do it better, I guarantee, than Alex does. | ||
| Because I would say this, perhaps, it's not been good up until this point, but this is the world's worst dismount I've ever heard for an interview. | ||
| Which is fucking awesome, because like... | ||
| If there was a time for Alex to gracefully get out of an interview, it's when he has just shit the bed against his ostensible rival. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Who he has no business being rivaled against. | |
| Instead, he embarrasses himself so hard. | ||
| This is hilarious. | ||
| No, it's a caterpillar versus Zeus. | ||
| This is so hilarious. | ||
| I do appreciate you joining us. | ||
| I'm late, but thank you for talking to me, and I hope to talk to you in Austin someday. | ||
| If you come down to Austin, we'll host you in studio. | ||
| And even though it's evil and capitalist, we'd pay for your hotel room and the strawberry milkshakes. | ||
| I don't think there's any room with paying for the hotel room. | ||
| We'll talk again. | ||
| We'll put some vodka in the milkshake. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| We'll get you drunk, the truth serum. | ||
| What is that in Latin that wine makes you tell the truth? | ||
| In veto veritas. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| You want to have a drinking contest and sell tickets? | ||
| No, I don't drink. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| Vino Veritas. | ||
| Have a good one. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Well, that's the hardcore commie trying to charm us and, oh, I don't know this, oh, I don't know that. | ||
| Yeah, that was an edit for sure. | ||
| No, that was not, I don't know this, I don't know that. | ||
| No, that one was an edit for sure. | ||
| That was an edit for sure. | ||
| That's him trying to pretend like, well, that was the commie. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| At the end of it, he's like, hey, you want to have a drinking contest? | ||
| You want to go get fucked up? | ||
| You have a drinking contest for charity? | ||
| I don't drink. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Neither do I. By the way, Bill? | |
| If you want to come to the show on June 15th... | ||
| I don't think he lives in Austin. | ||
| We'll miss him. | ||
| We will miss him. | ||
| So, I gotta pee again, so let's wrap this up. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| This is embarrassing for Alex. | ||
| Super. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it so much. | ||
| I had such a good time. | ||
| The most important thing to notice is that... | ||
| Bill Ayers is not from Austin. | ||
| His birthday isn't June 15th. | ||
| But all of those things relate to our show in Austin. | ||
| June 15th. | ||
| Beerland, 10pm. | ||
| I think the most important thing is that I have never been so quiet because my point of view has been represented so perfectly. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Bullshit. | |
| You've been screaming your ass off this entire time. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Anyways, we're on iTunes. | ||
| I think you feel like you have. | ||
| Anyways, we're on iTunes. | ||
| We're also on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We're at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Facebook. | ||
| What? | ||
| Go home and tell your mother. | ||
| You're brilliant. | ||
| It's a good Facebook group. | ||
| If you enjoy our show, then you should join the group because I post way more on that than the Facebook page. | ||
| Yeah, and we don't do the Twitter that much at all. | ||
| Twitter's evil. | ||
| I'm against Twitter. | ||
| Both of them are con jobs. | ||
| They only have this thing where they show it to a certain amount of people who follow you unless you pay them, and it's bullshit. | ||
| I don't want to play that game. | ||
| In the group, much more people see it. | ||
| So therefore, please join the group. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Anyway, let's get out of here, but... | ||
| No, it's on you. | ||
| It's actually your turn. | ||
| Remember the last time you got mad at me? | ||
| Fine, it's very easy. | ||
| Guys, we appreciate everything. | ||
| Have a great time with your life, but before we get out of here, gotta say, Larry Grathwall, you dumb, dumb, piece of shit, FBI informant sack of garbage, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |