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#167: February 4-5, 2009

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the February 4th and 5th, 2009 episodes of the Alex Jones Show. Alex tries to make a big deal out of an Al Gore clip he's stolen from Glenn Beck, he does some profoundly disturbing impressions, then manages to be embarrassed by no less than three guests he has invited on the show.

Participants
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a
alex jones
15:43
d
dan friesen
01:12:48
j
jordan holmes
40:49
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eugene volokh
02:15
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
Dan?
Dan.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
If you were a feckless guy...
dan friesen
You're so mad.
jordan holmes
I am so mad.
We had a pre-show conversation that infuriated me.
dan friesen
20 minute argument about whether or not Britney Spears music...
jordan holmes
It started with Britney Spears and then it ended with centrism, I think?
dan friesen
I believe the...
jordan holmes
It ended with, the ends don't justify the means, but if the means are getting everybody murdered, maybe change your fucking means.
dan friesen
Putting that aside, I would say that...
jordan holmes
Then what would you say if you were that guy?
Describing our show.
dan friesen
I would say...
jordan holmes
I.E. you.
dan friesen
I don't even know.
I'm too on my heels just from the jump.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
You're very angry at me.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
You're very angry at me.
jordan holmes
I was sleeping.
Before this.
Clearly.
You raised me up.
dan friesen
Clearly.
jordan holmes
You raised me from the dead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Much like Lazarus, I have raised you from the tomb.
jordan holmes
And if you were describing this show to Lazarus...
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
I would say, hey, Lazzy!
unidentified
What up?
dan friesen
I would say, I know a lot about Alex Jones and my buddy over here.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
He ain't no shit.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
And so, that's the show.
That's what we're all about.
jordan holmes
Very aggressive opening.
Sorry.
dan friesen
There's a need to...
Look.
We're not drunk.
We did sincerely argue about Britney Spears' music for about 15 minutes, and that led into an argument about whether or not it's okay to act like the other side.
Whether or not it's appropriate to adopt the tactics of your enemies when they are children.
jordan holmes
It's a good question.
dan friesen
It's not.
unidentified
It's a stupid question, and I reject it.
jordan holmes
And that's why we lose.
dan friesen
Anyway, something is not going to make us lose.
jordan holmes
Right.
Nice transition.
Nice transition.
dan friesen
I would like to give a shout out to a couple of new donors.
This first one joined up with the team.
I'm super excited about it.
Good buddy of mine.
The one, the only, Shane Smokey Copeland is now a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Shane!
Holy shit!
I haven't seen you in so long.
I love you, Shane.
dan friesen
He's out in California now doing stand-up.
jordan holmes
Oh, is he?
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
And he's a great dude.
jordan holmes
He's a great fucking dude.
dan friesen
Thank you, Shane.
Also, I'd like to give a shout-out to someone who I'd say all those positive things about, probably, but I don't actually know who they are.
They're not someone I did stand-up with and argued with frequently.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I do appreciate them all the same.
jordan holmes
And occasionally weirdly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I do appreciate all the same.
Thank you so much, Robert.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
We appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Robert Durst.
That was really great.
Burp.
The wait.
unidentified
Burp.
dan friesen
That's my Robert Durst impression.
jordan holmes
Not bad.
dan friesen
And the wait, guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we got an episode here.
jordan holmes
We're going to do one?
dan friesen
We're going to do an episode.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
unidentified
Yep.
And I think people really just want to hear the Britney Spears argument.
dan friesen
We should have recorded that.
I want to say...
This is going to be a long fucking episode, asshole.
We're already...
jordan holmes
Dude, I'm done with the month.
I got all kinds of fire and fury.
dan friesen
You're free, and now it's time to fucking fight.
jordan holmes
It's rough.
dan friesen
Not into this.
So I was trying to prepare an episode for today, and I was like, well, on Monday's episode we did the 2009 stuff.
And I was like, maybe we need a little bit of a shift up, a little change of pace.
And so what I decided to do is look into Project Camelot, and I found something I do want to talk about.
But it's way too big.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the disappointment in your voice says to me that we're not doing it.
dan friesen
We're not.
I found a subject that's way too big.
I don't want to go off half-cocked on it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think I found it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it'd be terrible if we went off half-cocked on Project Camelot.
dan friesen
I've got a hilarious story to tell you as soon as I can do the necessary research.
So that's on the back burner.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So then I was like, all right, modern day Alex it is.
I sit down.
We're recording this on Monday.
Oh, and Troyer's in studio.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck that.
dan friesen
Damn, I can't do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I looked on Sunday and like, this is no good either.
I'm not going to do this episode.
Then, what falls into my lap, but people posting Alex...
Tweeting out a video of him accosting Bernie Sanders at LAX.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
I saw that tweet.
I was tagged in that, and yeah, I can't watch it.
unidentified
You can't tag me in stuff that I want to see.
jordan holmes
I'm not allowed to.
dan friesen
I didn't tag you in shit.
jordan holmes
I know you didn't tag me in shit.
All right.
I'm way too fired up.
dan friesen
You could watch it if you wanted to.
We're not really going to talk about it much, except to say, like...
It's really a bummer.
It's really an indication of how depressing this shit is getting in the present day.
Because when we're talking about the Mike Rotondo stuff, the guy who wouldn't move out of his parents' house, him being on Alex Jones' show, it walks the line from like...
This is kind of funny and weird to, like, this is really sad.
This is becoming a very sad story.
jordan holmes
It's the difference between the American office and the British office.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
And then Alex, like, when he's trying to harass Bernie Sanders in the airport, it's like, this is not funny.
He's got his son along with him, and his son is yelling questions at Bernie.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
I don't think you'd know that unless you know his son's voice.
I can hear his voice yelling like, what about your home?
And stuff like that.
I'm like, oh god, this is a bummer.
Alex is grinding his jaw in a specifically like, that's a stimulant addict kind of way.
It really leads me, I don't have any evidence of it, but that kind of behavior I haven't seen outside of people who do like coke, meth.
I don't know if his supplements Create the same kind of effects, but it's like, he's sweaty, not from running, he's just sweaty and disheveled and grinding his jaw while him and his son bother an old senator at the airport.
And it's just like, this...
jordan holmes
America!
unidentified
Love it or leave it, Bernie Sanders!
dan friesen
It made me so sad.
And not because I love Bernie or anything like that.
It's just...
This is just a mess.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I decided let's stay in the past, and we are going to continue on with 2009 business.
We're going to be going over the February 4th and February 5th episodes of 2009.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And here is an out-of-context drop from that time period.
unidentified
We'll dine on man's flesh tonight!
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
This is where I want to start.
That is my jam right now, real hard.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Now we can see the kind of headspace.
jordan holmes
White dudes, I'm fine.
I'm fine with eating white dudes.
dan friesen
We dine on white meat.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we got starting here on February 4th, 2009.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And again.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
A week and a half.
Around about two weeks into Barack Obama's presidency.
jordan holmes
It still boggles my mind that we keep saying that because it's like in two weeks, not even just, he starts with Obama's going to kill us all.
On day one, Obama's already going to kill us all.
dan friesen
And the battle stations.
jordan holmes
And then it's somehow spiraled further out of control at the same time Obama is just like moving in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, he's just got people, like, Michelle is like, get rid of that fucking couch.
George W. Bush is a fucking asshole.
Like, that's it.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, Rom is over in the corner watching them move in, cracking his knuckles.
jordan holmes
Yeah, cracking his fucking knuckles.
dan friesen
Yeah, super aggressively.
I don't fucking know.
Anyway, here's where his head's at on February 4th.
alex jones
No doubt in my mind, they're planning to stage an inaugural bombing in the next six to seven months.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Just like 9-11.
I mean, you think the worship of Bush with a 92% approval rating after they staged 9-11 was high, Obama would probably be 98% or something, except people are now aware of government-sponsored terror.
dan friesen
Okay.
That's fairly contradictory within the same sentence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think Bush ever had a 92%, right?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
I don't think that's possible.
But also, let's like...
Alex, an inaugural...
The inauguration happened weeks ago.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He's not talking about a bombing at an inauguration.
He's talking about the bombing that signals that you have become president.
dan friesen
Just a pure adjective.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just like, this is our first bombing of the year.
It's like a debutante's ball, if you will.
It's a coming out party.
dan friesen
I'll go with you on that.
jordan holmes
And to be fair to Alex...
I'm just going by contact clues.
He might still believe that the inauguration hasn't happened yet.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's also possible.
jordan holmes
That's also possible.
dan friesen
Hey, I wasn't paying attention.
I was busy on RT.
jordan holmes
He was too busy staging a counter coup.
I forgot.
dan friesen
I was busy being on Russia Today on the day of the inauguration, so I don't remember it actually happening.
jordan holmes
Actually, Megyn Kelly used to host that.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So I give Alex a little bit of a pass and a little bit of leeway because his head is still in a really fucked up place because of the FEMA camp house resolution.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
dan friesen
That's right.
The Emergency Centers Act that died in committee.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, and I'm getting confirmation from the chatroom that he did hit 92 right after 9-11.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
America sucks.
dan friesen
It's pretty crazy.
It's pretty high.
jordan holmes
America sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you know.
jordan holmes
He'd already done some awful shit by then, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you know how it goes.
Fuck you, America.
alex jones
Then they announced they're building the FEMA camps, more of them.
dan friesen
Again, died in committee.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This bill never really went anywhere.
jordan holmes
Who announced it?
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
I mean, if he's saying that they announced it.
dan friesen
They did.
jordan holmes
But where?
dan friesen
They did.
jordan holmes
To whom?
dan friesen
In the white papers.
jordan holmes
But who did it?
dan friesen
Eh, who cares.
jordan holmes
Give me a name.
alex jones
And trying to pass laws to merge local police under them inside the military compounds.
It's all there.
Everything exactly as we told you would happen because we were reading their own documents.
And the documents were all compartmentalized, but you could lay each one of them side by side and see a completely clear picture.
You can differ with my interpretation of it, but now in hindsight, you can't!
dan friesen
What he's describing is basically like the back page of Mad Magazine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Where you have to fold it right and then there's a dinosaur.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I was thinking, what's that Jim Carrey movie?
Like the number 47?
Number 23. The number 23 where it's like you just overlay these bills on top of each other.
Or he's copying, he's cutting and pasting different magazine articles and sending it in a letter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like that kind of thing.
alex jones
Yeah.
Exactly right.
Precisely right.
Because I probably read 50, 60, 70 books about the Nazis, like Heinz Hobel, Order of the Death said, 900 pages.
dan friesen
That's the only book he ever brings up when he talks about reading books about Nazis.
unidentified
I mean, that's too many books about Nazis, though.
dan friesen
But hold on.
alex jones
All about how they ran it, all their own memos, all their own details, how they control dissidents, how they took over the society, how they federalized the police.
I've probably read 15, 20 books on Joseph Stalin, on Lenin, on the purges, on the takeovers from 1917 right through into the 50s.
I've read many books about communist China, including put out by the communist government itself, admitting they killed 80-plus million.
Our media says 60 million.
They say 80 million, and they're proud of it.
dan friesen
The only way to get up to those numbers is to include mismanagement and famine and stuff like that.
And I don't think they would be like, aha, we did that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But also, the other thing is, like, I went to college...
jordan holmes
You think we only killed 60 million?
You didn't even add all the people that we starved to death.
unidentified
Come on!
dan friesen
I went to college and I studied with some professors that were pretty accomplished.
Some pretty, like, seriously credible sources and, like...
jordan holmes
Yeah, they read...
dan friesen
Big-time players.
jordan holmes
They read, like, 70 or 80 books about Nazis.
dan friesen
See, that's what we're getting to.
Like, I legitimately studied with one of the foremost scholars in the world about oral tradition for a class I took on Homeric Greek.
I studied with another Greek professor who was nationally recognized in the world of Greek studies.
I took another class from a guy...
Who was probably in the top three scholars.
jordan holmes
Jesus, name dropper.
dan friesen
I'm not even naming them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's not the point.
dan friesen
One of the high-level scholars in the world of Alexander-era Mesopotamia, or that area of the world.
jordan holmes
So you'd say you have high-level sources.
dan friesen
I'm not.
I'm saying one thing I never heard from any of them is how many books they've read.
I'm saying that not once did Professor McGlue come over and say, like, hey, look, you should listen to what I think about Homer because I've read 75 books about Homer.
jordan holmes
Well, McGlue had those big Coke bottle glasses and he would always walk and it was a shock that he got anywhere.
unidentified
That's McGlue.
jordan holmes
That's McGlue?
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
He was a great man.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Met his wife once.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
In a coat rack.
Delightful coat rack.
Delightful.
jordan holmes
Amazing conversationalist.
dan friesen
So, I'm just saying that whenever I hear someone say, like, I've read this many books on this stuff, what I hear is you haven't actually read those books, because people who are actual scholars on stuff don't really say that.
They wouldn't need to.
jordan holmes
But why, like, so you pull out the number.
As a way to impress people.
That's the only reason that you would say 50 or 60 books is because the people that you are talking to are illiterate.
May never have read 50 books in their life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I don't understand why you think that's a good thing.
Because if you're reading 50 or 60 books about Nazis, really there's only maybe a few perspectives that you can have about Nazis.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
If you read two, you got it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Exactly.
Nazis?
Bad.
Genocide?
Super bad.
Holocaust?
Not a big fan.
It did happen.
Once you get past book number four, then you're getting into wild shit like it was actually aliens who did it.
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
If you read ten or more, you're either a scholar...
And you teach.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Or...
jordan holmes
And you teach about the shittiness of the six other books that you read.
dan friesen
Right.
Or you're looking for an argument.
You know, you're looking for something to back up your feelings.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And your feelings are that, hey, maybe the Nazis weren't so bad.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex is like, hey man, some people don't think this shit that I talk about is real.
But it is.
alex jones
A lot of people marvel.
They can't believe this show's for real.
They can't believe that I'm for real because they can't imagine someone in this prominent of a fashion would actually get up and fight these people if I actually believe they're as evil as I'm saying.
Yes, they're as evil as I'm saying.
But if you had logic, you would know, of course it's for real.
Look at the history.
Look at what we've been right about.
Look at all the facts.
Look at how it's all mainstream news now, but with their spin on it.
dan friesen
I'm looking.
alex jones
I know that I have no future and no chance of a future if these people aren't beaten.
I know they've done tens of thousands of declassified tests of chemicals, biologicals, radiologicals, killing U.S. citizens, other citizens around the world, and their own troops.
I know they've staged hundreds of admitted terror attacks.
I know they murdered hundreds of millions of people last century.
And frankly, I'm into humanity.
I know I live forever.
Just like my ancestors lived through me, as long as the species continues and these globalists don't wreck it and don't completely alter what we are, I live on through those that come.
I am steadfastly committed and tied in to my species, and I love you.
dan friesen
Okay, so the only reason that I kept that clip as long as I did, because it's kind of derivative, and we've heard him say all this stuff before, is that it's interesting that in 2009, there we have an example of him, like, that same shit, that, like, I'm immortal as long as my line is here and the past is living on through me.
So we know that ten years ago...
That's consistent.
That's an essential piece of his weird spirituality.
jordan holmes
That's something that made me uncomfortable to hear in 2009.
The genetic mysticism bullshit I can get if you're like 40 and you've got a few kids.
dan friesen
And you're taking these weird supplements.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You've spiraled into a weird paranoia.
I could see it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it existing back then is crazy.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Because that means it's existed since he was like nine.
dan friesen
He's like my age.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In 2009.
We're very close.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's crazy.
And very interesting to me that that's like a perpetual in the background.
Because that's not something I realized.
And then secondarily, I kept all that in because he doesn't really care even about the things he's saying.
It's all just an avenue for him to be like, yes, this is real.
And what does that mean?
That means I'm big boy.
I am a big boy.
People can't believe the show is real because if it's real, that means I'm super brave.
And that's kind of what he's trying to reinforce in his audience's mind.
jordan holmes
I kind of feel uncomfortable with anybody who's really into jeans.
unidentified
Like Levi 501s?
jordan holmes
Well, those are not as comfortable as you might imagine.
I don't like the denim they make those out of.
dan friesen
If you don't trust people who are into jeans, you're going to have some trouble with Paul Stanley.
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
So what were you saying?
No, I mean, even in a certain way of just that, like...
Ancestry.com bullshit.
Because the only reason that you are looking that stuff up is like this lottery idea of maybe my genes are special.
dan friesen
I disagree.
jordan holmes
That to me is kind of what I'm hearing.
When you start looking up, where is my genetic lineage from?
There's a part of you that thinks, I need to know this because maybe it's really special.
That bums me out.
dan friesen
I think that some people might be motivated by that, but also it's just as likely that some people are just like, hey, isn't this curious?
I'm kind of curious about the...
jordan holmes
I totally get that too.
I just get that vibe too much.
dan friesen
Also, there's some people that have arguments.
I don't know if there's any validity to this, but I know that some people believe that the appropriate diet that you should have is based on where your genetic...
History is, like where your ancestors are from.
I don't know if I fully believe that.
jordan holmes
I don't need to know about my ancestors to know chicken fingers and fries, Dad.
Appropriate diet for my white ancestors.
dan friesen
I don't know where that would be geographically, but I don't think you're right.
But in this next clip, Alex explains that the globalists, dem globalists, are super afraid of the patriots, and then he tries to scare his audience.
alex jones
They have called us out and they admit in their own councils that they are in danger and that they are not invincible.
They have analyzed the organic attack profile that we have launched against them, and they understand that if you move against them, they will fall.
dan friesen
So this clip is much longer than this, but I want to point out that if that is true in any way...
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Why haven't they fallen?
jordan holmes
It's really not that hard to make them fall.
dan friesen
It's been ten years.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex conceivably has been doing the exact same thing that he's been doing since then for that ten years.
So if the globalists, all you have to do is call them out and be like, hey, we're here.
They're already terrified of you standing up.
All you have to do is stand up.
It's been ten years.
jordan holmes
Furthermore...
dan friesen
It's been ten years and now we're in a crisis.
jordan holmes
Furthermore...
dan friesen
They're going to kill the president.
jordan holmes
His point is that...
If they don't defeat the globalists, he will not make it ten further years.
Right.
dan friesen
And neither will you.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
They'll kill your family.
jordan holmes
When he says the globalist councils, do you see robes and hoods?
dan friesen
Yeah, 100%.
jordan holmes
I think when he thinks globalist councils, he sees a big circular table, robes and hoods, nobody can see each other's faces.
dan friesen
It's the same thing with the Council on Foreign Relations.
I'm sure he thinks that, too, about them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's nuts.
alex jones
By the very nature of their attack against us, it is so huge.
It is so over the top.
It is so incredibly obvious and ridiculously evil.
jordan holmes
It's too obvious.
alex jones
Ridiculously.
Just incredible.
jordan holmes
It might be too ridiculous.
alex jones
Hundreds of newspapers openly announcing world government, saying the very banks that engineered the collapse, you'll pay carbon taxes to them and they'll control every financial institution, major corporations with carbon taxes, and bureaucrats that work for them, and open private brigades of tattletale squads and environmental squads under the president, and then governmental brigades, and then giant domestic military that the Pentagon now announced two days ago.
Confirming everything we warned you about.
It's here, man.
They're marching on us.
And they'll try to put out their propaganda that we're not marching against you.
This isn't an assault.
We're your friends.
Boulder Dash.
Poppycock.
dan friesen
Like it?
alex jones
This is a fraud.
jordan holmes
You've got to follow it up with something better.
alex jones
How could we not be fighting this?
How could we not be saying no to it?
All it has is that cloak of, it's our government.
It's our government.
It's corrupt, but it's still our government.
It is not your government.
It has been hijacked.
The state governments, the federal government, are fully under international treaty and agreement and have handed over all their authority.
dan friesen
So now, the reason that I kept that in so long is that we're just seeing some fear.
We're seeing some good fear there.
But also based on...
The globalists are afraid, too.
But you should be really afraid.
They're marching on us.
jordan holmes
Even though they're so afraid.
dan friesen
But then at the end there, we continue this thesis that I started to present in our last episode, which is that Alex hates the government.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He wants to destroy...
The government.
jordan holmes
Especially state and local governments.
dan friesen
Well, now here, that's the weird part at the end there.
I don't know about local governments because he doesn't reference local governments.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
He says that the federal government, which we know he hates, is controlled by treaties, but he also says that the state governments are, which is crazy.
jordan holmes
No, they're controlled by international treaties.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
What is he in favor of?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Because before, it was like, you just want states' rights.
I understand that argument.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But now if you're saying that the states are also controlled by these globalist international nonsense...
jordan holmes
You know who's not controlled?
Sheriffs.
dan friesen
Must be.
jordan holmes
Must be sheriffs.
dan friesen
But then, how do you have a...
How do you do that?
How do you have a city be the largest...
Or a county?
How do you have that be the...
jordan holmes
No counties.
dan friesen
But county governments could also be subject to foreign treaties.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
You know what my city is?
dan friesen
Your home?
jordan holmes
Me, Dave, couple guys.
dan friesen
Dave.
jordan holmes
We all have a little cul-de-sac that doesn't go anywhere or connect to anything.
dan friesen
I said Dave!
You are now the Secretary of State.
jordan holmes
I did hear something that was actually brilliant.
If you're him.
As a propaganda technique, saying that the carbon tax is paid to the banks at this time, that's fucking genius.
dan friesen
It's real good.
jordan holmes
That is genius.
Because, no, that's fucking stupid.
That would never happen, and that's insane.
But...
Everybody hates the banks because they destroyed the world at this time.
And then you put that together with the carbon tax and shit!
That's brilliant.
dan friesen
He does this all the time.
It's the same thing that he says about your taxes.
He says that all federal taxes that you pay...
Go directly to paying off the national debt.
The debt on the money that's owed to the Federal Reserve.
So all of your taxes are going straight to the Federal Reserve.
This is a complete lie about a quote.
I believe it was a Nixon quote.
That's just a complete misrepresentation of what he was talking about.
jordan holmes
Oh man, a president lying?
dan friesen
That's super not true at all.
And then because of this none dare call it conspiracy research that I'm doing, do you know who owns most of the federal debt?
Like the national debt?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because it ain't the Federal Reserve.
jordan holmes
Isn't it China?
dan friesen
No.
They own a bunch, but they own maybe...
It's less than you think.
jordan holmes
Isn't it kind of us?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Isn't it our bonds and such?
dan friesen
A lot of it is private investors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's mostly our guys, right?
dan friesen
A lot of it is private investment, whether it's foreign or domestic.
It's private investments, also bonds that come out of social security and shit like that.
jordan holmes
And it's a good investment.
dan friesen
So the idea that all this stuff is all just being paid to the banks, it's not really.
It's a much more complicated picture.
I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a certain sense, you could consider a hedge fund buying up a shit ton of bonds.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
A bank, I suppose.
Like, that's a good way of looking at it.
dan friesen
You could, but it's not.
jordan holmes
And at the same time, though, that is an investment in the continued existence of the United States.
Those bonds are meaningless if you are trying to overthrow the government.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They would then be worthless.
dan friesen
But unless you don't care about money.
All you're doing is a nefarious plan.
jordan holmes
I didn't consider not caring about money.
dan friesen
Right, which is very trademark bank behavior.
jordan holmes
Usually a huge thing hedge funds do is not care about money.
dan friesen
So that all is just some wild stuff.
But in this next clip...
I've got to try to keep moving this along because we've got a lot of clips.
And I've got to be honest, I feel like we're coming out of the gate a little bit slow.
A little bit of it is because of our fight at the top of the show.
And then another bit of it is that his clips are just kind of a little bit slow here at the beginning.
I promise you.
We're going to get into some of my favorite stuff I've ever heard on this show.
jordan holmes
We're going up the roller coaster.
We're hearing the...
dan friesen
There's a pattern...
jordan holmes
And we're about to go down.
dan friesen
There's a pattern that plays out over the course of these two days that just makes me laugh so fucking hard.
You're going to love it.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I don't know why I have to be like, hey, guys, stick around.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't understand.
dan friesen
Because I didn't like that last clip.
jordan holmes
I feel like we've been having fun.
dan friesen
I know, but I didn't like that last clip.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I'm getting self-conscious about that last clip.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
You need to go on more walks in the morning.
dan friesen
I didn't get to go out today.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
dan friesen
I slept in a little bit.
jordan holmes
That's what happens.
dan friesen
But this next one, buddy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Buddy?
unidentified
Buddy?
jordan holmes
Buddy.
Hey, buddy.
dan friesen
I've been doing a lot of finger guns at my cat lately.
jordan holmes
You've been doing a lot of finger guns?
dan friesen
At my cat.
jordan holmes
And then how are you not having a great day?
dan friesen
I'm having a blast.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex talks about the globalists.
Which I'd like to say, no shit he does.
jordan holmes
Thanks for pointing that out for me.
dan friesen
I was worried.
He talks about what it's like to be on the phone with a globalist.
jordan holmes
They have bad connections?
dan friesen
He's talking about this guy.
I believe it's Thomas Barnett is his name.
He's a globalist.
jordan holmes
Tommy Barnes.
dan friesen
He was going to do an interview.
We've heard him talk about this in the past.
He was going to do an interview with Alex, and then Alex was like, you're never going to stop us.
And then apparently he turned into a slithering lizard on the other end of the phone.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
dan friesen
So Alex does an extended impression.
jordan holmes
Are you sure he just didn't get in the way of Moses?
dan friesen
I don't know.
But Alex does an extended impression of what it's like to be on the phone.
alex jones
I mean, you get on the phones with these guys and say, we're going to defeat global government.
We're going to defend the republic.
And they're just, keep on dreaming.
unidentified
Keep on dreaming.
jordan holmes
We run this thing.
unidentified
We're in control.
To the public, it's all, oh, the children, the terrorists are going to attack with guns.
Just turn in the firearms.
Just let us have some reasonable gun control for the children so they're safe.
Let us ban whatever we want and register everyone.
alex jones
Then by fiat, ban anyone we want from owning a gun and ban any guns we want.
unidentified
Sign over to international bodies and UNIDAR at the UN to control us through treaty.
We just want to be our friends.
Friend, we're the government.
Just turn the guns in and everything will be fine and then you'll be safe.
You'll be safe.
We want to protect you.
We're the government.
We're the nice people.
alex jones
We're Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense.
jordan holmes
I don't like any of those.
unidentified
There you go.
Give me that gun.
There.
There now.
Now these nice men in black uniforms are going to take care of you.
alex jones
But wait, you said I'd be safe if I did this.
unidentified
You are safe.
Safe to be my slave if I choose to allow you to live.
alex jones
That is literally the spirit we're dealing with.
dan friesen
Literally.
jordan holmes
Literally.
unidentified
Fool.
Fool, weak-minded, now you will die!
dan friesen
Never since John Leguizamo's one-man show, the name of which escapes me, has one man so fully embodied multiple characters talking to each other.
Holy shit, that was so bad.
jordan holmes
You know what's terrible?
Even though he tried to use an evil voice?
He had some great ideas.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
That evil voice was really fucking killing it.
Also, maybe, Alex, it's on you if you start the phone call.
With, we're going to defeat you and destroy you.
dan friesen
Right.
It's aggressive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whatever answer you get in response to that, that's a little bit your fault.
dan friesen
You've got to own a little bit of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
You've got to be like, you know what?
I bet I could have had a civilized conversation with him if I hadn't threatened to destroy him.
jordan holmes
Could have just started with a high, maybe even ask how your family's doing.
dan friesen
You win some, you lose some.
And you know what?
Why would I ask how his family's doing?
He's trying to destroy the family.
unidentified
My family's doing great!
Ha ha!
dan friesen
So, if you thought that was the only impression he does on this show, you're fucking wrong.
Here's the next one.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun if he's been doing a Bernie for 15 years.
dan friesen
Most of this, like, legitimately, most of the first hour of this program, the February 4th, just gross voices.
unidentified
Soon you will taste the blood of Americans!
dan friesen
So, real quick.
jordan holmes
A little bit too similar to the previous voice.
dan friesen
This is actually an impression of, like, he's talking about the globalists that have...
See, here's my problem, Dan.
jordan holmes
I feel like you cut out the part of all of these clips where he goes, do you guys like impressions?
dan friesen
Wouldn't it be crazy if I just did two minutes of a weird voice?
unidentified
What if an actual lizard was the government?
jordan holmes
Here's what it would sound like.
dan friesen
Literally right before the clip that we're playing right now is the tonight we dine on man flesh.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So that's where we're at.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Soon you will dine on them.
Soon you will pull their children away from them as they beg and plead.
What say you throngs of vampires, of soulless cretins of Satan?
What say you to our great victory over the republic?
What say you?
And they cheer.
Yes!
Yes!
Soon we will stage the final terror attacks!
jordan holmes
Alright.
The final terror attacks?
dan friesen
I think Alex took some NyQuil and watched Braveheart the night before.
Or maybe Lord of the Rings.
jordan holmes
I would have accepted Lord of the Rings for sure.
dan friesen
Maybe both?
jordan holmes
This is the stand at Helm's Deep all the way, man.
unidentified
Soon we will...
Completely smash the Republicans.
Soon they will beg and plead, and you, your dark spirits, will be able to feed all the ancient spirits of evil that inhabit this throng, this horde, these legions of darkness, will be able to sop on the terror and pain of the American people, the ancient enemy of the New World Order.
dan friesen
The ancient enemy of the New World Order.
unidentified
I feel you.
And the mass murder of these enemies will be greater than our sopping.
dan friesen
Stop saying sup.
unidentified
We're feeding in Russia and China and Germany and Africa and Latin America.
Soon we will kill and want an abandon.
Soon we will revel in their blood!
jordan holmes
Aight.
dan friesen
I'm sup.
jordan holmes
Aight.
unidentified
Aight, cool.
Affiliate.
I see the enemy.
alex jones
I can stare right past the New World Order's veils.
I know their spirit.
And what you just saw was nothing more than a mirror.
unidentified
Into the heart of darkness.
dan friesen
Are we now in a Twilight Zone episode?
jordan holmes
I feel like that's what's going on here.
dan friesen
Hold on.
alex jones
Into what you face.
Your impoverishment is certain.
Your enslavement is near.
Your death, for many of you, is a guarantee.
unidentified
A guarantor.
alex jones
Unless you rise in every way known to you.
Unless you let the spirit of the living God inhabit you, and unless you say a prayer...
jordan holmes
He changed voices pretty quick.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's back to his normal self now, so we don't have to listen anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, is the voice saying that, or is he saying that to us?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, he's continuing the same...
dan friesen
I don't understand what the difference is.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
No, I mean, he's doing the voice, right?
And that's the character of the person who is an evil spirit or whatever, right?
And he doesn't end the sentence, and then he just keeps going into, unless you...
So, to me, it sounds like the voice is like, yeah!
I will kill you!
Unless you say a prayer to God.
dan friesen
What you're not doing is you're not seeing the cuts that are happening.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not.
dan friesen
What's happening is, like, so there's the we will dine on American flesh.
unidentified
We will crush the Republic.
Right.
dan friesen
There's that demon.
jordan holmes
Gonna do it.
dan friesen
There's that demon, and then there's a star wipe.
jordan holmes
Let's call him Ball.
I feel like Ball is a great demon.
dan friesen
There's a Ball over here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a Ball.
dan friesen
And then there's a star wipe, and it goes to Alex Jones, but like a dignified Alex Jones.
unidentified
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
Like, maybe where...
Wearing a bowler hat?
jordan holmes
No, he's not wearing a bowler hat.
Definitely a monocle, though.
dan friesen
Probably looks like Mr. Peanut.
jordan holmes
I would go with bow tie.
dan friesen
Sure, I'll allow it.
I'll allow a bow tie.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So he's sitting there like he's Peter Jennings on Masterpiece Theater.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Who's Peter Jennings, right?
jordan holmes
I don't think it was Peter Jennings.
I don't think so either.
I don't think so either.
dan friesen
Boy, I wish I remembered who hosted Masterpiece Theater.
jordan holmes
It was actually Caitlyn Jenner.
dan friesen
That's right.
Alex is sitting there, and he's like, what you have just seen is the true face of the New World Order.
And so that's the facsimile of real Alex.
And so when he slides into his normal voice from that voice, it's a much easier transition.
That's what you're seeing.
What you're seeing is a lunatic.
You're seeing a crazy person.
jordan holmes
Here's my big question, and I think this is one that really needs to be answered specifically.
How long do white supremacists think white people have been here?
dan friesen
Forever?
jordan holmes
Because if you start...
dan friesen
Spiritually forever?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, if you start saying that...
dan friesen
You're asking a stupid fucking question.
jordan holmes
If you start saying that we're the ancient enemy of the New World Order...
dan friesen
The Republic.
jordan holmes
You specifically mean white people.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
And we didn't live here.
And, I mean, I think only the Mormons think we've been here even before the Native Americans, right?
dan friesen
Well, the New World Order comes from the Bavarian Illuminati and the black nobility of Venice and shit like that.
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So all that, like, Alex can, like, talk about that as being, like, the ancient enemies.
jordan holmes
So they were Americans.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
Americans in the same way that Amerigo Vespucci sounds like America.
Anyway, oh, Jesus Christ.
That reminds me of another fucking six hours I spent researching for Nundere Colley Conspiracy about weather.
jordan holmes
You started going into Amerigo Vespucci?
dan friesen
He came up as a side character.
jordan holmes
People can't agree that his is the name.
dan friesen
Gary Allen lies about Christopher Columbus and what was going on around that period.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I had to do a bunch of research into it.
jordan holmes
What, gonorrhea?
I feel like gonorrhea was what was going around along that time period.
Just a lot of it.
dan friesen
Research Pete, I appreciate, has pulled up a list of all the hosts of Masterpiece Theatre.
jordan holmes
That is a hero.
dan friesen
I regret to say that none of those are the people I was thinking of.
I don't know why I thought it was Peter Jennings, because he's just a newsman.
jordan holmes
How about Turner Movie Classics?
Who was hosting that?
That's also a dignified voice.
dan friesen
It must have been Russell Baker, who was around when I was watching it as a kid, but that name does not ring a bell.
Anyway, the point is...
jordan holmes
You know who's hosting it now?
Russell Peters.
dan friesen
I hear it's David Tennant.
jordan holmes
That can't be real.
dan friesen
That was in 2009.
Probably just a fill-in or something.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That, what we just saw, those last two clips...
I can't help but feel like that felt like an audition monologue.
jordan holmes
Okay, I can see that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can definitely see that.
dan friesen
The pacing of it, the like, let me show you what I can do.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, he's trying to impress someone who's listening that's not the audience.
jordan holmes
He's all three witches in Macbeth right now.
dan friesen
Look how much range...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, that play, since we're in a...
dan friesen
The Scottish play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Look how much fucking range I have.
You know, that's what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's not a...
Look how much range I have as one voice.
That's not great.
dan friesen
Look how effective I am at getting people stirred up.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
I don't think that's necessarily...
I don't think I'm accurate.
I don't think I'm right.
But man, it felt like that.
Like when I was listening to it, I felt like this is a demonstration of skills.
This is almost like a nuclear test.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
We're demonstrating what we're capable of.
And when Alex is going into all these demon voices and like...
Like, wow.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
All right.
Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty strong demonstration of everything that's in your toolkit.
unidentified
You know, I kinda do wanna put him in a play.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, for real.
dan friesen
I want to put him in the Scottish play and then trick him with the same breath over and over again.
So a light falls on his head.
jordan holmes
I mean, is that maybe really just the way that we neutralize Alex?
Is we're like, Alex, you know what?
You might be a good actor.
Let's just start putting him in, like, off-Broadway plays.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And then maybe he goes away.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Maybe he gets a taste of the acting life.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Maybe he starts to really feel...
unidentified
Doing...
dan friesen
I hate to...
jordan holmes
Trying to remember plays now.
dan friesen
First of all...
jordan holmes
Used to know a lot about him.
dan friesen
First of all, Alex Jones is not going to work in live theater for a number of reasons.
One, he can't sing.
We know that.
jordan holmes
You can do...
Okay.
Live theater doesn't always...
dan friesen
I understand that.
But an entire segment of that possibility is out.
unidentified
I kind of thought for a second that you thought All Plays had singing.
dan friesen
I'm saying that he's not a very marketable commodity in that world because he can't sing.
Therefore, musicals, except for doing the comedy roles who don't have singing parts in the musicals, and we know he doesn't have good comedic timing.
So he can't play those roles.
Now, he also can't dance.
jordan holmes
I mean, anybody can learn to dance, Dan.
You just got to put your heart into it.
dan friesen
I'm hearing from the chat room that he should be in Cats.
I agree with that.
jordan holmes
That's a good call.
dan friesen
And that's where we'll drop off.
Now, we get to the first of something that will be a trend.
Alex has guests on that he has never met.
He has a bunch of guests over the course of these two episodes.
That's not a good thing for Alex.
He doesn't know at all.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
This first one is a gentleman by the name of Eugene Volick.
He is a UCLA law professor.
jordan holmes
That's really not good.
dan friesen
And a lawyer.
He's a legitimate lawyer.
And this is why Alex wants to talk to him.
He's going to set up what he needs to get out of this interview in this next clip.
alex jones
Eugene Volokh is our guest for the next 20 minutes or so.
He's a Gary T. Swartz professor of law at UCLA Law School.
And we've heard about Hillary Clinton being in the Senate, voting for a pay raise for the executive under the Constitution.
They're not supposed to be able to serve if in the term right before that you voted yourself a pay raise in the executive.
That's basically how it boils down.
dan friesen
So essentially what this is is an application of emoluments.
Right.
What you have here is Hillary Clinton was in the Senate, and she voted for a pay raise for the Secretary of State position.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then she becomes...
She became Secretary of State.
She is appointed Secretary of State.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But before she becomes appointed Secretary of State, because there's a conflict there in voting for raising the salary, they lower the salary back down to what it would have been before any of that happened.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And therefore, she is not actually...
Benefiting from having voted for a pay raise.
But this is unsatisfying for Alex.
He believes that there's still a conflict here in the emoluments argument.
jordan holmes
But that doesn't even apply to the not-president!
dan friesen
Which is crazy.
It does.
It does.
jordan holmes
No.
I mean, I understand that.
But even then, that's such a symbolic gesture as well.
Right.
Oh, we were going to give the Secretary of State a pay raise, but because you accidentally voted for it, you get $20,000 less?
dan friesen
Not accidentally voted for it.
It is just a workaround of, like, she didn't have any expectation that, oh, hey, next year I will be Secretary of State.
jordan holmes
Yeah, she couldn't possibly have known.
dan friesen
Voted in principle for...
jordan holmes
She was trying to become the president.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And that wouldn't have helped at all.
Maybe she could have given Obama the appointment as Secretary of State if things had gone wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe Obama was trolling a little bit on that one.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That would have been fun.
dan friesen
Look, the issue that we come away with is, like, the real fun is, like, in present day, the massive emoluments problems that we have with Trump.
jordan holmes
No, Trump should have been impeached before he actually took office.
dan friesen
Alex has never brought up any of that and says, that's fucking stupid, all this is nonsense, just butthurt liberals complaining about stuff.
And now we see in 2009...
Two weeks after Obama has become president, he is doing this weak shit about Hillary Clinton being made Secretary of State.
There's two things.
One, that's fun.
Two, Hillary Clinton's in play.
And that means Larry Nichols is probably around the corner.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I haven't heard him yet, but I'm very excited because Hillary's in play, and whenever Hillary comes around...
jordan holmes
Larry Nichols is not far behind.
dan friesen
Oh, yes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He's got to be.
So I'm very excited that we're going to see some 2009 Nichols.
jordan holmes
But again, once more, hypocrisy means nothing.
dan friesen
No, of course not.
But this show isn't about that.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
I'm just tired of it.
dan friesen
We're creating a documentary.
jordan holmes
How long did we watch The Daily Show with Jon Stewart putting side-by-side clips of people saying the exact opposite shit?
And it didn't do anything.
I'm just bored with it.
dan friesen
Right, but would you rather that not happen?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
At this point, I don't fucking know if there is a world.
I don't even know what my ideal world is anymore.
I don't even understand it.
dan friesen
Here's my ideal world.
jordan holmes
Great transition.
dan friesen
Alex trying to make this argument to a UCLA law professor and them not agreeing.
eugene volokh
I will say, if you do care about the spirit of the law, it's not clear to me that the spirit of the provision has been violated here either.
That it's not like Senator Clinton is getting any extra money in her pocket because of the rent.
In fact, the whole point of the diminution of the salary when she was about to be appointed is to make sure she doesn't get any extra money.
dan friesen
So they're like, we got it.
jordan holmes
We got it.
Cut his mic!
Cut his mic!
dan friesen
The lawyer has gone native.
He's gone rogue.
jordan holmes
Ah, globalist lawyers.
dan friesen
So then they go to break and they come back, and then Eugene Volokh says this.
eugene volokh
So there has been some dissent from this view from the Reagan administration, but otherwise both Republicans and Democrats have generally taken the view that so long as when the person enters the office, the salary is no more than what it was at the start of the senator's term, that's constitutionally permissible.
And I think that precedent should have some weight.
alex jones
Okay, but you say this changed in the last hundred years.
What was the previous precedent?
Because don't you want to go back to the closest precedent of the founding?
eugene volokh
Well, I think that's right, but I'm unaware of any real past precedent with regard to that.
It's not like somebody tried that in 1795 and everybody said, no, no, no, of course not.
dan friesen
So he's arguing, like, Alex is having such a bad go of it in terms of this argument being so weak that he's like, well, hold on.
jordan holmes
What about a hundred years ago when the world was a different place?
dan friesen
What about in 1870?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What, you know, what did they do?
jordan holmes
Hey, what, did they give you more slaves?
Huh?
What did they do back then?
unidentified
Huh?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What's the precedent there?
dan friesen
We want to get as close to the original intent of the founders of this country.
Who didn't want blacks to vote.
jordan holmes
Don't like those guys.
dan friesen
Didn't like ladies too much.
jordan holmes
Don't like those guys.
dan friesen
Yeah, so cool, cool.
So Alex is having a real tough time with Eugene Volokh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's like...
No, the spirit of the law.
jordan holmes
Because he's a lawyer who's professionally good at arguing with people.
dan friesen
He's like, well, the spirit of the law and the letter of the law aren't being violated by this.
It's not a emolument violation.
And historically, Republicans and Democrats have agreed that this is a way of resolving it the last 70 years.
With the exception of the Reagan administration, they didn't believe that they took issue with that.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
Well, and he lays out specifically what the situation was.
It was like, they wanted Bork.
To be in the Supreme Court.
They wanted Bork in there.
He got shot down, and their second place guy was like, ah, they deemed him on, he had a conflict of interest.
Whatever.
And so he lays it out, and Alex is just like, shit.
I'm not doing well here.
I gotta shift this.
So, as we've heard in 2009, one of his favorite things to complain about is this L.A. Times story where a lady was on a plane, and she spilled a Bloody Mary, and then she got arrested for terrorism.
Right.
Unfortunately, he's talking to a lawyer.
jordan holmes
Again, this was a bad...
Who booked this?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
Someone who wants to just cuck him out.
jordan holmes
And that's the thing.
dan friesen
That's what's great.
jordan holmes
This is Alex's issue, too.
dan friesen
That's why I love 2009.
He has so little control of what's going on that he gets exposed over and over again.
He's exposed on that argument about Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
It doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
You've got nothing here.
This is really weak.
jordan holmes
See, now he would pivot the argument to his world where it's imaginary.
dan friesen
Time out.
I just want to be super clear about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you can go and you can listen to this entire episode if you can find it.
I don't want to misrepresent what is actually happening.
The lawyer himself does say, like, you know, I understand that people might have a different view on this and they can make that argument, but I disagree.
So he's making his argument and being pretty polite to the idea that, like, Oh, yeah, like, people like Judicial Watch.
They disagree.
I don't know why.
I'd like to see their argument.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a law professor.
dan friesen
So he's not coming on and saying, hey, you're fucking stupid if you disagree.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's saying, like, historically, here's the reasons why X, Y, and Z. So I feel like, I just wanted to be clear, because I feel like I misspoke a little bit there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And, like, I'm painting it like he's dancing on Alex.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And that's not the case.
jordan holmes
Well, in a professor way, he is.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
In the, in the, look, if a professor...
dan friesen
In a very diplomatic way.
jordan holmes
If a professor says to you...
I would love to see your argument.
That means he knows your argument is fucking stupid.
unidentified
Or...
dan friesen
Yeah, you're right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So speaking of stupid arguments, they get into that LA Times article.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex brings it up before a commercial break, and that was a mistake.
Because that means this guy's got four minutes to read.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's not good.
dan friesen
He's a fucking lawyer.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
They read fast.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so here's what happens.
alex jones
I mean, you've got to know about that.
eugene volokh
I do know that there's been a lot of coverage, but thanks to the commercial break, I actually looked up the case, which I think you're referring to, the L.A. Times story, about Tamara Jo Freeman.
It turns out...
She was not prosecuted under Section 802 of the act.
She pled guilty to violating a pre-existing statute, 49 U.S.C.
Section 46504, which is interference with flight crew members in attendance, which sounds like exactly the sort of thing that was an issue.
It's not a terrorism statute.
It is true the Patriot Act.
Why did they hold her for three months without a lawyer?
alex jones
I guess the LA Times is wrong then.
eugene volokh
Yes.
In fact, actually, I was reading some comments by a lawyer whom I know who was evaluating that says that the LA Times got it quite badly wrong on that.
But certainly, if you want to, you can find the plea agreement in which she describes what's going on.
And what's described is that, as I said, it wasn't a Section 802 of the Patriot Act.
It wasn't a terrorism conviction.
It was an interference with a flight attendant.
alex jones
Well, you said that the Patriot Act touched it, but what about Section 802?
eugene volokh
Why not?
Why not?
dan friesen
So Alex is like, that's bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's so good.
God, it's been so long since we've had anybody dunk on him to his face.
dan friesen
This is like me being on there.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know!
I know!
dan friesen
It's me with a law degree.
jordan holmes
Legit started jerking off a little bit.
This guy just fucking...
The moment he said...
The moment the guy said...
dan friesen
This is Dean Adele all over again.
jordan holmes
The moment he said...
I actually had time to read this article.
Alex was like, fuck!
dan friesen
I've made a huge mistake.
jordan holmes
Huge mistake.
dan friesen
Why am I doing this?
jordan holmes
This is a terrible idea.
dan friesen
But see, that's why, and I think that this is really interesting, that if you take an external view...
From the entire situation, you disabuse yourself of caring about what's happening.
And you look at it, you're like, oh, this is why Alex does three, four, five minute demon impressions.
It's because he needs to do that in order to get enough people on his side that don't pay attention to the fact that this lawyer is just picking apart his narrative.
Well, no, that wasn't an 802, the Section 802 of the Patriot Act, that's what you're saying that this is about.
And it's really not.
It's an issue where she pleaded guilty to interfering with flight staff.
And the only way that that is touched at all by the Patriot Act is to expand the definition from actually interfering to including also conspiring and intending to do it.
And it's like, well, it still touched it!
jordan holmes
It still touched it!
Yeah, it's like, we finally figured...
It turned out that, yeah, murder is bad, but also attempted murder is bad.
100%.
Like, it counts.
It's bad.
dan friesen
Now, if the Patriot Act changed just murder to attempted murder is also, let's throw that in the law, let's make that illegal, too.
I don't think you have a really strong argument.
jordan holmes
If that was the only part of the Patriot Act, I'd have been like, okay, cool.
dan friesen
Right.
There's other things that are the issue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the other things.
dan friesen
It's weird that Alex complains about the stuff that's the softest and weakest.
And the part that even I, as a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, do not.
Like, I don't have a problem with that.
Like, the idea of changing it from...
Well, I mean, I guess you could...
jordan holmes
It's the obscurity of it.
dan friesen
You could jam someone up for intent and conspiracy and stuff like that.
unidentified
I suppose.
dan friesen
I would take that on a case-by-case basis.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But I do think that if you are attempting to and you fuck up to, like, kill a stewardess or something...
jordan holmes
Probably counts.
dan friesen
But I guess that would probably fall under murder.
Anyway, let's not get too bogged down in this because what happens is Alex really sits and reflects on it and then...
jordan holmes
How does it go?
dan friesen
He's like...
jordan holmes
He sits and reflects, so we know that Alex accepts that his argument is weak tea, and then he decides that, yes, this law professor has a point, and I have synthesized this information, and I shall apply it further on in my life.
dan friesen
No.
He finishes the argument and then sits around and is like, hey, that guy was an asshole.
alex jones
And if you get classical constitutional scholars on, they would have disagreed with that guy.
That's what a lawyer does.
He's...
It all sounds reasonable, it all sounds nice, but it's all 180 degrees away from the history of this country and the way those laws and the Bill of Rights of the Constitution were interpreted.
jordan holmes
Maritime law.
dan friesen
Admiralty.
unidentified
Sovereign citizen on the land.
jordan holmes
Classical constitutional scholar.
dan friesen
I love it.
I love it.
So damn much.
I love it.
jordan holmes
He's pouting.
He said he's taking his ball and going home.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what he's doing.
dan friesen
If you get a good lawyer in here...
jordan holmes
I'm not a professional lawyer because I'm too good a person.
I would never do that.
This guy is just a...
He's just there to law me.
dan friesen
If you get a lawyer that loves America, he'll say that I'm right.
unidentified
Yeah.
And why can't I own slaves?
dan friesen
So that guest sucked.
And in order to put some balm on that burn that he got from that dude, he's got to reflect on other guests that he does like.
jordan holmes
Wait, he's just remembering guests?
dan friesen
Well, such as this guy.
alex jones
Did Paul Watson or did our guys ever post the super high quality KSR1 to PrisonPlanet.tv?
Guys, call Aaron in here because I see it all over the web with hundreds of thousands of views.
And it's in low quality, because by the time people copy the medium quality, it looks low quality.
So we'll find out what happened with that, because I want that KSR1 out there in high quality.
That always happens.
Some super interview breaks in medium quality, and then it gets all over the web, and then there'll be high-quality versions folks don't even know about.
But yeah, we're going to have KSR1 back on.
He's invited me to be part of a speaking tour if I can.
I just don't have the time, really.
At least go to one of them.
And we've got Professor Griff coming on Thursday.
So that's going on.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, Professor Griff doesn't come on.
He does eventually, but not on Thursday.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, KSR1.
dan friesen
That clip, bro, 45 seconds long, he says KSR1 three times.
jordan holmes
Three times!
dan friesen
It's one of those things, like, I get it.
You want to have this person be, like...
You want whatever they can give you.
It would be like Patton coming on our show.
I don't know anything about comedy, and I'm like, I'm so thrilled to be sitting around with Patton Oswalt.
It's so great.
I love you.
jordan holmes
Patton Oswalt?
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, but that's even too close.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
dan friesen
Because he's confidently saying KSR1, which leads me to believe you don't know shit about who this guy is, you don't know anything about his career, you don't know anything about hip-hop, and that's fine.
You shouldn't.
You are a guy who gets drunk and listens to the Highwaymen.
There's nothing wrong with not knowing anything about hip-hop.
jordan holmes
You don't have to.
dan friesen
No, you don't have to.
You should.
jordan holmes
I think it's important.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I think you should.
I think you should have, at the very least, a cursory knowledge of all different types of things.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
I think...
Here's what I would say.
It's not wrong to not know things about other musical genres.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
But if those things do come into your periphery and you just reflexively reject them, that's bad.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or if you pretend you know tons about it and you don't.
Yeah, that's bad.
Because you don't know shit about Big and Rich.
jordan holmes
No, I don't.
dan friesen
You probably don't even know all that much about Willie Nelson or Waylon Jennings.
jordan holmes
I know.
When you start getting into Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings, we're in a very different world than Big and Rich, Dan.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
We're in a very different world than Big and fucking Rich.
So give me a little bit of credit for knowing about Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings.
dan friesen
Let's find the middle ground.
What do you know about George Strait?
jordan holmes
From Dire Straits?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, I'm just kidding.
dan friesen
What do you know about Dire Straits, by the way?
jordan holmes
No, nothing about George Straits.
dan friesen
What do you know about Dire Straits?
jordan holmes
I know...
dan friesen
Do you know that they're the Sultans of Swing?
jordan holmes
You know what?
I know the cursory knowledge of Dire Straits.
dan friesen
Do you know they have to move...
jordan holmes
I know Douglas Adams inexplicably loved Dire Straits.
dan friesen
Do you know that they have to move refrigerators?
They have to move these color TVs?
jordan holmes
I did know that.
dan friesen
Money for nothing.
Boy, that song is really fucked up.
They keep saying the F word and not fuck.
jordan holmes
We'll never, ever forget the music video for that.
The block animation will haunt me till I die.
dan friesen
I can't remember what the name of that song is.
Oh, The Walk of Life is another one.
unidentified
Good call.
dan friesen
Good call, chat room.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, you don't know shit about Dire Straits.
Not Dire Straits.
George Strait.
jordan holmes
Don't know anything about George Strait.
dan friesen
You don't have a responsibility.
jordan holmes
I will cop to it.
dan friesen
You don't have a responsibility to, but he's a huge name in the world of country.
jordan holmes
If we were to have him on the show, I would probably do a lot more research.
Right.
dan friesen
And if you listen to the best of George Strait and you didn't like, like, Amarillo by Morning.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or I Hate Everything.
Or, like, some of his big hits.
Then I would say...
jordan holmes
My favorite was the one where George Strait was like...
That's the sound of the police!
That one?
dan friesen
That was Beanie Man.
jordan holmes
That was Beanie Man.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright.
dan friesen
But you know what I'm saying?
If you just reject out of hand a musical genre you don't know much about, then you're kind of an asshole.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But Alex is not even doing that.
He's just saying KSR1.
jordan holmes
If you misrepresent it in a sycophantic way at the same time...
That's a little bit too much.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the only reason I brought up any of that stuff is just I wanted to shove in your face.
jordan holmes
I'm a star fucker that doesn't know how to fuck stars.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
The only reason I brought up any of that is I wanted to shove it in your face that you, like, get judgmental about people and then don't know anything about country.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
Fine.
dan friesen
Pretend you know shit about Waylon James.
jordan holmes
All right.
Fine.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
You want to start some shit?
You're just dipping back into the Britney Spears argument all over again.
dan friesen
Anyway, so that interview earlier with Eugene Follick did not go great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex has another interview with someone he has clearly never met on this episode, and we're not going to listen to any of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because it doesn't really matter.
It's very boring.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We know this guy.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is actually February 4th, 2009, is the first meeting of Alex Jones and Peter Schiff.
Oh!
Economist.
Austrian school economist Peter Schiff.
He's on because Ron Paul vouches for him.
jordan holmes
So this is when they meet cute.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is our synchronicity situation.
dan friesen
And I know that they've never spoken before because he keeps saying, Ron Paul vouched for you and stuff like that.
It's very clear that the two of them don't know each other.
There's no chemistry whatsoever.
And it's really bad.
But they do about an hour.
And it just leads to Alex then coming back and being like, Ted, sell some gold.
He has Ted Anderson on.
And so clearly he is even aware enough that like...
This guy is just going to say some scary shit about the economy, and then I'm going to get Ted to sell something.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
So this is more like failure to launch, as far as our rom-coms go.
dan friesen
I think it worked well for both of them.
I think they got what they needed out of it.
jordan holmes
But at the end of Fairy Litter launch, they did.
But it's the part where they don't like each other in the beginning.
dan friesen
I don't think they don't like each other.
I just think they have no chemistry yet.
Fair enough.
Because you watch them now, and they're setting each other up for stuff.
There's some volleyball moves.
Whereas in this, it's like Alex literally says to him, Hey, why don't you tell people what you've predicted?
And then Peter Schiff is like...
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He goes on to something else.
He just changes the subject.
Hard pass.
There's no synchronicity in terms of being on the same page.
And again, I think most of it is because Bob Chapman can't be on every day.
I think in 2009, Bob is the preferred guy to set up Ted Anderson's gold pitches.
But we're like, he can't be on every day.
We've got to get more people in that pitching rotation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Peter Schiff.
It's someone who Ron Paul has advised, like, this guy could do the job.
He could do the job for you.
He loves gold.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
We need a solid fourth starter.
dan friesen
Exactly.
We need a middle innings guy also.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So then, later, Alex has another guest on that he's never spoken to before.
This one is also probably a mistake.
This is a guy named Peter Wallison, who was a lawyer in the Reagan White House.
jordan holmes
Already a bad idea.
dan friesen
He is a guy who, he's been around, he's been around the block.
jordan holmes
It boggles my mind that he would have people who actually know stuff.
Like, even though he's a lawyer in the Reagan administration, he still fucking knows shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, why, Alex?
Like, the ego that it takes, the hubris that he has.
dan friesen
He pronounces it hubris.
jordan holmes
Oh.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
A three-headed dog that protects against your ego?
dan friesen
I think it's because he has enough guests on that he can bend the railroad a little bit.
I think he thinks...
It's going to be fine.
jordan holmes
He thinks he can gaslight fucking anybody.
dan friesen
Or, at very least, they'll pick up on, like, this is what the host wants to happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're not going to go against it, because how uncomfortable would that be?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think he thinks that on some level, but, man, it's not.
So this guy, Peter Wallace, and Alex wants to talk to him about FEMA camps.
And, boy, he doesn't agree with Alex.
alex jones
Now they're openly announcing things like this with...
Bills for FEMA camps to relocate Americans during collapse of society, continuity of government.
It appears the federal government thinks we're going to go into a depression and is gearing up for collapse.
unidentified
Well, I don't know anything about any of those things.
Maybe they are happening, but I haven't seen anything like that.
And it is actually...
dan friesen
By the way...
jordan holmes
Dude, this is such a...
I literally just wrote down, this is white voice shit all day.
All day.
unidentified
It's so possible that we could have a depression.
That's why the government is acting in such extraordinary ways, why the Federal Reserve is doing so much, why the Treasury Department is spending so much, trying to avoid the possibility of a recession.
Because in the 30s, the diagnosis has been that the reason we had this depression in the 30s was that the Federal Reserve did not act.
And the government does not act satisfactorily to keep the economy from declining and keeping deflation from occurring.
So I think what they're doing is necessary, and I'm a conservative.
dan friesen
So the only reason I told you to shut up is that's super important.
That flies counter to Alex's entire world.
The idea that the Federal Reserve is acting appropriately, and the reason that the 1929 stock market crash happened was because they did not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they were made to stop all these panics that were happening in the late 1800s, early 1900s up to 1907, and we'll have you.
And then when, because of so much frustration...
fear of them overstepping their bounds.
We had a terrible disaster in the Great Depression because they didn't act.
And in 2008, we got a really good example of them acting and stopping it from being way worse than it could have been.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
So this guy- Apparently, because of conservatives, it was way worse than it should have been.
jordan holmes
Perhaps.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we can't put that on Wallace.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I'm not putting it on Wallace.
dan friesen
So far, this guy is pretty right on.
jordan holmes
He's nailed it.
dan friesen
He's pretty right on.
And I do love the moment there where Alex is like, he starts by trying to talk about the FEMA camps.
He's like...
I don't know anything about that.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about that.
dan friesen
Boy, I tell you what, don't know anything about that.
jordan holmes
Could be happening.
dan friesen
Don't know about that.
unidentified
Wouldn't say no.
dan friesen
All right.
So in this next clip, we get more of Alex trying to...
Because in that last interview that he did with Eugene Follick, when it was like, I'm trying to talk about this emoluments thing, and he's like, no, you're wrong on this.
Then he pivoted to, well, let's talk about that spilled Bloody Mary bullshit.
So now he's like, Alex is like, well...
I gotta find something.
I gotta find something to talk about.
So he brings up another one of his narratives.
alex jones
Well, Mr. Wallace, in closing, you've certainly heard about how they're putting combat brigades inside the U.S. I mean, that's all over the news.
You haven't heard about that?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He has not heard about that.
jordan holmes
Delightful.
dan friesen
So there's that, and then Alex tries it.
jordan holmes
All about it.
All about it.
dan friesen
Alex tries again.
alex jones
Did you see Market Watch last week when they called for a North American union to get us out of this crisis?
unidentified
No.
alex jones
That Wall Street Journal online?
unidentified
No, I didn't see that.
dan friesen
Did not see that.
jordan holmes
Oh, give it to me.
dan friesen
That Market Watch article is the one that we talked about on the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'd already gotten that one.
dan friesen
Yeah, so all of this is just Alex trying to be like...
jordan holmes
Give me something.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Dude, give me something.
dan friesen
Well, it's like two people...
jordan holmes
You're supposed to be on my team, man.
dan friesen
Well, it's like maybe you're on a bad date.
You met on Tinder or some sort of...
You don't know much about each other and you're sitting there on the date and you're like, I actually don't like sex.
And the other person's like, you like oral?
You like oral?
jordan holmes
Not really.
dan friesen
What about mutual masturbation?
Does that work for you?
jordan holmes
Never heard of it.
dan friesen
Alright, I gotta go.
That's kind of what's happening.
It's like, the fucking would be the first thing.
Then the handjob.
Alex is bartering down.
jordan holmes
He's trying to get something.
dan friesen
He's negotiating down to that, like, well, did you see that article about the North American Union?
That's the handjob version of this interview.
And he's like, I have not heard about that.
That sounds crazy.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of the hard pass.
As a response to Alex, I want more people to just be like, I don't know.
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
Yeah, let's put the ball back in your court, baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I came on this show to be a lawyer or whatever the fuck it is you're doing.
dan friesen
I'll be clear about it.
Their interview goes much longer than this, but it doesn't really have much more substance to it.
It's more of like...
All right.
This isn't going well.
So the two interviews on this, well, there's three if you include Peter Schiff, but that one's just sort of like a push.
That's fine.
It is what it is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But you have this first interview with Eugene Volick, and then afterwards Alex is like, guy's an asshole.
If you had a real American lawyer in here, he'd agree with me.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And then here is what he says after this second one doesn't go well.
jordan holmes
You know what I feel like?
I feel like he's a loser little titty baby.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
That last guy is pure establishment.
We had him on to see if he'd slip up and say something about him.
unidentified
We need him.
We need him.
He's got the ear of many people.
dan friesen
This guy's a caller.
jordan holmes
Who is this guy?
dan friesen
This is a caller.
jordan holmes
Where did this voice come from?
dan friesen
This is a caller.
jordan holmes
Did you set this up while I wasn't paying attention?
dan friesen
No, this is a caller.
I didn't set that up.
unidentified
I should have.
jordan holmes
Because I halfway thought it was somebody in the booth.
Cutting in where he's like, I hate this fucking guy.
Alex, Alex, we need him.
We need him for the show.
So could you not be a bitch?
dan friesen
No, this is the caller.
I think it's an interesting angle to take that we had him on as a prank or whatever.
I think that's an interesting approach.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
I think it doesn't track with the interview that you had with him.
Not at all.
unidentified
In Washington, D.C., if we could get him listening to Infowars for a week, he'd be brought up to speed immediately.
alex jones
That guy was the chief counsel to the president, believe me.
That little comment about how he didn't know about Rex 84, give me a break.
dan friesen
Give me a break.
Anyway, we're now moving on to February 5th.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Two.
Real bad interviews on the 4th.
jordan holmes
Real bad.
dan friesen
And now we move on to the 5th.
And the 5th, Alex starts the show...
jordan holmes
Again, two weeks into Obama's presidency.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And now two weeks and a day.
That's not precise.
But Alex is now starting off the show here on the 5th by complaining about Al Gore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then saying some weird stuff.
There is all kinds of wishy-washy about the more popular version of himself.
alex jones
Al Gore got taped talking to a group of 12-year-old middle schoolers, 7th and 8th graders, 11 and 12 years old, saying how their parents are basically stupid and the state knows best.
And I want to go over this because Glenn Beck played a clip of it.
I want to play the clip today and give you some more intense background on all of this.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Glenn Beck had talked about this being like Nazi Germany.
He got criticized.
This is exactly what they did in Nazi Germany.
But, side issue, I've really gone after Glenn Beck in the past because he said, Ron Paul, people were dangerous.
He said the military should be used against us.
He made fun of the New World Order.
Now, suddenly, he's totally flipped, and it's like Alex Jones has a Fox News TV show.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Petty!
dan friesen
It seems like that.
jordan holmes
This is Pusha T and Drake all over again.
dan friesen
It seems like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then listen to where it goes.
alex jones
But I guarantee you...
In fact, I've already seen this.
He's still mixing in New World Order propaganda.
The establishment knows that anti-New World Order, anti-globalist sentiment is the majority.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
It's now a large portion.
It's the largest minority.
Sure.
You've got a minority of Obama idiots, an Obama of Rush Limbaugh, mainline conservatives.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
But the largest sector, the largest piece...
No doubt from all the statistics and numbers and data we have is people now know about world government.
They now know about the Illuminati, the New World Order.
And so Glenn Beck is going to get everybody trusting him and then he's going to betray.
dan friesen
Okay.
I'll agree with the last couple words he said there.
He's going to betray.
jordan holmes
He is going to betray.
unidentified
In the same way that Alex is going to betray.
dan friesen
No, I know.
That's what's fascinating.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's surprising in this...
Right at the rise of the Tea Party in February of 2009, it's really interesting to see that level of insight from Alex, because I think he's totally right about Glenn Beck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Not in terms of the New World Order existing or anything like that.
That stuff is a little bit fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the idea that he's saying a lot of stuff that is attractive to people who follow me, and he's trying to seduce you into that line because...
He's got these people behind him.
If you just replace the New World Order in that with the Kochs, you have exactly...
His assessment is right on.
jordan holmes
He's nailed it himself.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think that he hasn't made that jump just yet.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
I still think that he is...
This is pre-whatever change is going to happen.
Because he still hasn't...
I mean, you look up on the board.
He still hasn't abandoned a bunch of those things.
He hasn't changed his positions on these very foundational things.
And the other day, I don't have a clip of this because it just seemed redundant, but in a clip on one of these episodes, he's like, slavery just became going to prison.
jordan holmes
You nailed it!
dan friesen
Jesus.
jordan holmes
If you get paid a dollar an hour, that's pretty much slavery.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're right on.
But to hear this...
jordan holmes
This is back when Alex is what you would call crazy as opposed to craven.
Like, generally speaking...
No, I'm not saying that it's crazy to have...
dan friesen
I'm scratching my beard because I'm thinking about what you're saying.
I'm not rejecting what you're saying.
jordan holmes
It's not crazy to say that prison is just slavery, but currently, like, the use of the lizard voice...
dan friesen
Now, that's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Because the history of prison has always come out of slavery.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I agree with you on that point.
dan friesen
I thought that's what you were arguing.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I'm not arguing when he makes a good point.
I'm arguing that his ideology is built out of a sense of paranoia, lunacy, and occasionally he nails it.
Whereas now, it is built out of whatever makes me money.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
I disagree with you.
jordan holmes
So, in your case, what we're talking about with the board is when does he make that transition from the guy who spouts out nonsense to...
dan friesen
I understand what you're saying, and now I'm ready to...
jordan holmes
Now you disagree.
I'm ready to disagree with you.
dan friesen
And here's why.
jordan holmes
Because you listen to way more Alex Jones than I do and then you give me a prism to which...
dan friesen
No, but I think your insight is often very accurate and I think it's interesting.
jordan holmes
Except not this time.
dan friesen
No.
Not this time.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
What I think what we're seeing is that it's jealousy in the same way that like...
A couple episodes back when Ron Paul went on Glenn Beck's show, Alex responded with like, Hey, he doesn't even like him.
He doesn't even like Ron Paul.
I like Ron Paul.
We're buddies.
jordan holmes
I accept that analysis far more than my own.
You know, you're absolutely correct.
dan friesen
I think the reason that he's doing this, he's going to betray you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is accurate analysis, but I think it comes from, like, I'm pure, he's not.
And as we see the rise of the Tea Party, and we see Ron Paul consistently associated with it, I think that jealousy is going to grow even more and more, and it's going to be what ends up breaking Alex's back.
I think it's going to be what ends up leading him to the point where he's like, fuck it, I'm in.
Let me be the real mouthpiece.
This guy is no good.
jordan holmes
No, you're absolutely right.
dan friesen
Especially after the 9-12 shit doesn't work.
jordan holmes
God, the 9-12 shit.
dan friesen
And that becomes super embarrassing.
jordan holmes
That still bums me out.
dan friesen
And once the money behind it needs a new mouthpiece because Glenn Beck has been so sullied and cooked out in the mainstream, I think you're going to end up with Alex.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
No, I completely retract my argument and I accept yours.
dan friesen
Now please retract your argument about Britney Spears.
jordan holmes
You shall get a plus one and then an immediate minus one to Britney Spears.
dan friesen
So now, this is interesting.
On our last episode, we talked about Alex Jones' remarkable ability to break down advertising.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
His amazing insight into Super Bowl commercials.
Because we know, we know.
He took advertising.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Classes.
jordan holmes
Right.
He took advertising.
He didn't say...
No, no, no.
Hold on.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
He actually never said classes.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
He just said, I took advertising.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's psych warfare that there is a corn syrup commercial where the popsicle was sex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a red popsicle that was sex.
jordan holmes
Question.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Was Mad Men on at the time?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Was this like...
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
2009?
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was pre-Mad Men.
jordan holmes
When did Mad Men come on?
dan friesen
I think it was like 20...
jordan holmes
12. Could have been 2012?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah, but they had...
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
They had like six seasons.
You can't do six seasons in...
dan friesen
Six years?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, you can't do that.
dan friesen
Seven years?
I don't know.
2009 is...
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Mad Men is right around the corner.
dan friesen
2009 is shockingly close to when I moved to Chicago.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Because of advertising.
dan friesen
Which you took.
Because of Mad Men.
I watched one episode and I'm like, I'm going to Chicago.
jordan holmes
You took advertising.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
But I don't think Mad Men was on at this point.
But if it was on...
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with first season.
dan friesen
Dude, I will say, if it is on, the only episode that's aired is that one with the carousel.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
But that was the season finale!
dan friesen
I thought that was the first episode.
jordan holmes
It could be.
dan friesen
I could be entirely wrong.
jordan holmes
It could be entirely wrong.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
That show sucks.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit!
This is Britney Spears all over again.
dan friesen
Oh, premiere 2007.
jordan holmes
See?
This is what I'm saying!
dan friesen
Alright.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
I gotta not listen to the show.
You're lying to me.
Anyway, so the reason I brought up that corn syrup thing is because Alex, on this next clip, brings that sort of back up.
Not his analysis of the commercial, but corn syrup comes back in.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it also made me realize just how fucking miserable...
Like, I didn't realize that people lived next door to him.
jordan holmes
Wait, the studio or his house?
dan friesen
His house.
I never thought about that.
I never thought about, like, oh, Alex has neighbors.
And it turns out he has neighbors.
alex jones
I was talking to somebody on my front lawn this morning, and they were going, hey, have you seen these high fructose corn syrup ads, Alex?
Is that stuff bad for you?
Because if they're running ads saying it's good for you, it must be bad.
I was telling my neighbor, no, you're dead on target, and I just covered that.
My neighbor isn't into all this stuff, but they're somewhat familiar with what I do.
And, you know, when I first moved in where I lived, the neighbor was kind of giggling at me when they saw me.
Now, they're not giggling anymore.
And I see that as an important data test or microcosm of the wider world that's happening.
So I do go through those television ads, and I'm going to start doing that more and more.
dan friesen
Can't wait for that.
jordan holmes
Please don't.
dan friesen
When your neighbors stop giggling at you and talking to you, it's because they talk to you a couple times and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Not a big fan.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm going to mind my business!
jordan holmes
Where do you see him living at this time?
Like, do you see him living in, like...
dan friesen
I think I've seen the house.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is it, like, I immediately...
dan friesen
Because people found his addresses and stuff.
unidentified
Right, right, of course.
dan friesen
All that stuff was online.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've seen that house.
It's pretty nice.
He lives in nice houses for most of his life.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I get that.
dan friesen
He's well-to-do, even in 2009.
jordan holmes
I see the suburban lawn.
Everybody's house looks the same.
I see that settlement kind of feel to it.
Because if you say you're out on your lawn and people talk to you...
It has to have that feel of, like, you've got the driveway, you've got the garage, you've got the lawn that you have to mow every now and again.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what I see.
dan friesen
Or pay a neighborhood kid to mow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Punt.
No, I just feel like I would hate to be his neighbor.
unidentified
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Fuck that.
dan friesen
Like, the idea of, like, when you're growing up, I think, I don't know, I don't know if this was your experience, but when I was growing up, it was always, like, the archetype of the horrible neighbor was, like, hey, borrowed my hammer and won't give it back.
That was sort of, like, the punchline.
jordan holmes
The home improvement terrible neighbor.
dan friesen
Right, right.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
I had a nail gun and now it's gone.
To me, as a now 34-year-old man, the only thing I don't want is guy who yells about corn syrup.
That's the neighbor I don't want.
jordan holmes
I don't want the neighbor that asks me about corn syrup.
dan friesen
I have neighbors, I've talked to them a bunch of times, and I've never been like, I do a show about Alex Jones.
Because that's abusive as a neighbor.
unidentified
Now, I'm kind of more on Alex's side.
jordan holmes
If your neighbor is asking you, hey, have you seen these corn syrup ads?
unidentified
They didn't.
jordan holmes
I'm a...
Against it.
dan friesen
They didn't.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
That's a lie.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
That's a lie, bro.
dan friesen
You fucking know that.
jordan holmes
Actually, his neighbor was in a hot tub with three other globalists at the same time.
But that idea of a neighbor who's just like, hey, Alex, you see these corn syrup ads?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no way that conversation started there.
The conversation started with like, hey, your lawn's looking nice.
Yeah, well, corn syrup is killing you.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
Well, I'm going to go back inside, you fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
You got it!
jordan holmes
Hey, all right.
Okay.
dan friesen
Give him some finger guns like I do to my cat all the time.
So on this episode, we see less of...
On the last episode, we had Alex like, I'm going to have a new fucking crew of dudes.
And I got a lawyer.
I got a fucking White House lawyer.
jordan holmes
Duncan.
dan friesen
Economist who Ron Paul has advised me to talk to.
jordan holmes
Got murdered two out of three.
dan friesen
One out of three is great, fine.
The other two, holy shit, terrible.
jordan holmes
Murdered me.
dan friesen
So now he moves on to the next day and he goes back to like, I know what works, scaring people.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I have to scare people.
And so here's what he does.
And this is most of the beginning of the episode.
alex jones
We go live next hour at PrisonPlanet.TV and an expert on...
These super volcanoes, a volcanologist, as well as what's happening in Yellowstone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
He believes it may erupt.
Oh, of course.
And then they're talking about large rocks, stones being thrown as far away as Texas.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
As far as Minnesota and ash all around the planet.
dan friesen
Also really fun that the two places he comes up with are where he is and where Ted Anderson is.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
Weird.
alex jones
That will darken the planet.
jordan holmes
Climate change.
alex jones
And make the temperature drop as much as 10 degrees.
dan friesen
Probably kill people with that.
alex jones
But let's go ahead and go to Ted Anderson for the next four minutes.
Ted, look, I'm not going to belabor this with the listeners.
You're at the very end of the goal you had when it was at the 9.30, 9.40 level.
I know some of the offers have actually had to go up.
Gold is right back up at 9.20 today and racing up even higher.
dan friesen
Very exciting stuff.
jordan holmes
Super volcano.
I was looking at it.
It's going to explode.
It puts so much ash into the air.
It's going to drop everything by 10 degrees.
unidentified
Nuclear winter, basically.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
We're all done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Anyways, let me throw to Ted.
How has gold been doing?
unidentified
Buddy.
jordan holmes
How has gold been doing?
dan friesen
What are the sales?
jordan holmes
Will it heat me in the nuclear winter that is to come?
dan friesen
Oh, certainly.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Absolutely, yes.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, can you give it to me at a lower price than what it will be tomorrow?
dan friesen
I can't do an impression, but I wish I could do an impression of Chad Anderson just so I could say, like, gold makes great kindling.
jordan holmes
Could you make a limerick out of it?
dan friesen
Holy shit, that's embarrassing.
Like, that is next level.
We're going to have a volcanologist on who's going to tell you that it's about to blow.
It's going to be the craziest thing ever.
It's probably going to decrease the temperature of the entire world.
Shoot rocks to my house and Ted Anderson's house.
Also, here's Ted Anderson.
He's got some gold to sell you.
Also, that's a rock.
Hey, Ted.
jordan holmes
I had a fun period of time where I was really interested in reading about Super Volcanoes.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
And reading about the magnetic pole switching.
dan friesen
Right.
Was this around a little bit after 2005?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, no, no.
This was more like 2014.
dan friesen
That's pretty late.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, but see, that was when the History Channel decided, like, we're not doing great with the Nazi stuff for a bit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So we're going to switch moves.
And we're going to do the whole documentary on Super Volcano in Yellowstone.
It erupts every 500,000 years.
Guess how long it's been since it erupted?
About 500,000 years ago.
It could happen at any time.
We're all going to fucking die.
dan friesen
See, here's where you fucked up.
jordan holmes
Where did I fuck up?
dan friesen
I actually found out when Super Volcano came out.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
No, no, no.
I'm not talking about the movie.
dan friesen
It came out in 2005.
jordan holmes
I don't...
I never saw the movie.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
I didn't know about the movie.
I just read about that.
I just read...
No!
It's a...
No.
dan friesen
Because you just...
You just...
You just laid out the plot of the movie Super Volcano.
jordan holmes
No!
There's two different things there.
All right, fuck off.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
I never saw the movie.
dan friesen
It's pretty good.
unidentified
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Is it pretty good?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
All right, we're going to do an eight-hour...
dan friesen
We are.
We're going to do a riff track song.
Yep, yep.
So if you thought that that was pretty gross, in terms of salesmanship...
jordan holmes
It was.
It was pretty bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Here's the next quote.
jordan holmes
It's nice to know that he did get better at it, though.
Right?
Like, in a certain way, I am kind of like...
Alex did get better at one thing.
He improved his skills.
dan friesen
I think it's still as clunky now half the time.
jordan holmes
You think so?
unidentified
Yeah, because I play you some and you see it a mile away.
jordan holmes
I'm always seeing it from the prism of what you play me.
dan friesen
You see all of my transitions as being the best version of them.
When I say speaking of blank, in your head you think of the times it went well.
You forget about the times, you're like, nah, it didn't go great.
In the same way with Alex, when there's ad pivots, there's a bunch of times they do not work out at all.
And you just forget about that.
jordan holmes
Wait, hold on.
Did you just say, I think your transitions are always good?
dan friesen
I'm saying that you look at the platonic ideal of them.
You see it through the platonic ideal as opposed to like, hey, sometimes like I...
unidentified
This is an off-air conversation.
dan friesen
So this next clip, Alex wants to talk more about Yellowstone.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
How it's going to blow up.
jordan holmes
It's going to blow.
Any moment.
unidentified
Coming up, over 400 earthquakes in and around Yellowstone.
alex jones
A lot of top volcanologists are saying it may blow sky high.
Last time it blew up, it devastated large parts of North America.
It depends on which direction it explodes.
jordan holmes
About half a million years ago.
alex jones
It literally explodes straight up and out.
They blast one direction.
jordan holmes
And they weren't even a band yet.
alex jones
Millions of people if it does blow up.
Remember, they said Mount St. Helens wasn't going to blow.
Everything was fine.
That's a tiny volcano.
A little bitty baby compared to a super volcano.
jordan holmes
A loser little titty baby.
alex jones
So we're going to be talking to the volcanologist coming up later in the transmission today.
I want to go back to Ted Anderson while we're getting Dr. Stan Montefi on the horn.
unidentified
Come on, man.
alex jones
European Franks, Swiss, French, and others that are running out.
dan friesen
He did it again.
He done did it again.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He did the exact same thing.
He did it twice.
Did it back to back.
dan friesen
And he even made it clear why he's doing it.
jordan holmes
Coming out of break?
Coming into break?
Nah, that's a bummer.
dan friesen
He's like, we got Stan Monteith on the line, and clearly there was a problem with the phone communications.
So he's like, fuck, I gotta scare people some more, and then see if Ted can move a couple more of these bullions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
I've never heard Alex do that, which is the same thing twice in a row.
The same like...
All right, here's the narrative.
Yellowstone's going to blow up.
You're going to be fucked.
Hey, Ted.
jordan holmes
How you doing?
dan friesen
I scared him.
Sell that gold, baby.
See, I'm bummed about this.
jordan holmes
I'm bummed about this because I'm really kind of excited for the volcanologist.
I like volcanoes.
I have a whole thing.
dan friesen
So I would say that Alex has now set up that like...
Alright, we got this volcano guy coming up.
jordan holmes
We're all going to die.
dan friesen
It's very exciting.
jordan holmes
Invest in gold.
dan friesen
I'm terrified about this.
jordan holmes
Gotta do it.
dan friesen
You have to be terrified, too.
jordan holmes
The world is going to end.
dan friesen
I'm going to take a little bit of a side road into selling gold.
Right.
I'm going to do that.
jordan holmes
Because when the world ends, we're going to return to the gold standard.
dan friesen
Then we're going to get back to business, and that is going to be you being scared of this volcano.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
But I mentioned Monteith.
Stan Monteith is going to be on.
jordan holmes
Stan Monteith?
dan friesen
Well, he said that.
Stan Monteith.
unidentified
No, no, no.
I got that.
dan friesen
Do you know who Stan Monteith is?
jordan holmes
No idea.
unidentified
No one fucking knows who he is.
jordan holmes
I know he's got the greatest name in history.
dan friesen
It's not great.
I'd say it's in the...
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
90...
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
93rd percentile.
jordan holmes
But in Alex Jones's guest world, it's not even top 20. No, because there's like General Stubblebine.
So many General Stubblebine.
Don DeGran, bro!
Come on.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
So...
Stan Monteith is a guy who's a real big Christian reconstructionist kind of guy.
He wants to basically create a Christian code for white ethnostate in the United States.
jordan holmes
They always have those names.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
He also is a guy who has a show on the Genesis Communications Network.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
So he's part of the...
jordan holmes
Cross-promotion.
dan friesen
Right.
Also makes money when Ted Anderson sells gold.
jordan holmes
We all do.
dan friesen
Hey!
It's good times.
And so this is the only clip that I have of his interview, and it should just tell you everything you need to know.
First of all, he's going to tell people to look up the Trilateral Commission's logo.
jordan holmes
Already terrible.
dan friesen
If you're listening right now...
I'm going to give you a little bit of a head start.
Feel free to look it up.
You can go to trilateral.org or just Google Trilateral Commission.
You can find their logo and see if it matches up with his dumbass description.
unidentified
Any of your listeners can see it.
Go up to trilateral.org.
But their logo, well, if you look at it, they're three curved arrows, and you can almost imagine that they're sixes, like 666.
But there's no way you can miss in the very center of the logo is an upside-down broken cross.
Okay.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
I would take people's criticisms of anything.
Even the Trilateral Commission, if you want to talk about them having policies that you disagree with, I'll listen to you.
But when that's what you're coming out of the box with, I've got to be honest, I'm not listening to the rest of it, because you have indicated that you're kind of crazy.
jordan holmes
You could almost say.
It looks like a 666.
dan friesen
No.
Which is dumb.
There's three arrows and there's three sixes in 666.
That's the only connection.
jordan holmes
But you could almost say it.
dan friesen
Well, you could almost say it.
jordan holmes
You could almost say it.
dan friesen
And then if you look at it.
jordan holmes
So that means you can say it.
dan friesen
You want to Google on your phone real quick the logo?
Sure.
Just so you can see it.
Because it's really funny that he's saying there's an inverted broken cross.
Because when you think about the cross, the Christian cross.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
How many points are there on that cross?
jordan holmes
Well, there's the one at the top.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's the one at the bottom.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then about 75% of the way up, there's the one on the side and the one on the other side.
dan friesen
So it's pretty essential that there's four points on that cross.
jordan holmes
It's got to be four points.
dan friesen
I've never seen a Christian cross that doesn't have four points on it.
jordan holmes
You've got to have four points.
dan friesen
Because otherwise it's just kind of like a divining rod or something like that.
It's sort of like maybe a peace sign.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Like a hippie peace sign.
jordan holmes
All right.
So looking at this right now, Nah, dude.
dan friesen
That's not a cross at all.
There's only three points to it.
jordan holmes
No, there's nothing.
No, look.
I'm even looking at one that is...
dan friesen
Put it up to the camera for the people watching who don't want to Google it.
jordan holmes
I'm even looking at one that is supposed to be the evil version of it, and it looks nothing like that.
dan friesen
No, that's a...
jordan holmes
No, it's like a shitty tattoo.
It's like a barbed wire tattoo that somebody might get on their back.
dan friesen
There's absolutely no cross in there.
Stan Monteith is a lunatic.
Garbage.
Absolute lunatic.
jordan holmes
That's garbage.
That bums me out.
dan friesen
Well, it's just because they want to bait Christians into believing stupid shit to help them become enemies of their enemies.
jordan holmes
Hey, you know what?
It's not hard to do.
They already do that.
dan friesen
Good point, Reverend Hexar made the great point.
This is what I was trying to come up with.
It looks like a recycling logo.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly!
dan friesen
You nailed it!
I was thinking biohazard, but the reason I didn't say it is because it didn't match up.
jordan holmes
Recycling is the perfect one.
dan friesen
So they get to talking about the globalists, because of course they do.
jordan holmes
Anyways, you know that recycling is what Jesus hated the most.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
Upside-down recycling is exactly the way to hate him so much.
dan friesen
So they talk about the globalists a bit, and they talk about this being just the worst, most evil plan in the world.
And Alex is like, well, a lot of people don't believe this stuff, but here's why you should believe it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They always lie when they're setting it up, then they always create fear and blow the horn of fear like they did in 29 when they're ready to consolidate.
So they've set this trap for a long, long time.
But we have Daniel Estelin, who had sources inside Bilderberg and Jim Tucker, on tape in Endgame and in Endgame 1.5 Expanded Extras.
Have you ever talked about Endgame before?
dan friesen
We've talked about him in the game for like nine hours.
Oh, okay.
So he's like, hey, we got Daniel Estelin.
alex jones
We got him!
dan friesen
We got Jim Tucker.
jordan holmes
That's a huge get.
dan friesen
Boy, I'm like, if that's your go-to in terms of your evidence, that's not great.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something.
Jimmy Kimmel could never get Daniel Estelin.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Yes, he could.
jordan holmes
Too big a get.
Doesn't do it for less than 20 grand, Dan.
dan friesen
Also, just for fun, Daniel Estelin did come on Alex Jones' show in the lead-up to the 2016 election and told Alex that the Rothschilds are supporting Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the Rockefellers are supporting Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
And it's just a battle between these two factions of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Who won?
dan friesen
And Alex is like, I agree.
He's like, that sounds crazy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Sounds nuts.
jordan holmes
Toss it in there.
Throw it in the bag!
dan friesen
I don't believe any of that, but it's just funny that Alex didn't be like, absolutely not, he would never be in with him.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
Alex's beliefs are like the lottery ball machine where everything is just swirling around and then one suddenly pops out in the vacuum.
dan friesen
But it's just fun that Estelin has that, beyond the stuff we've already talked about him, he has that in his world.
jordan holmes
Yep, toss it in there.
dan friesen
This guy's the best.
jordan holmes
Throw it in the bag.
dan friesen
You might remember that earlier in this episode, Alex said that Al Gore got caught on tape by one of Glenn Beck's listeners.
And he's trying to get kids to turn against their parents.
jordan holmes
I think I remember this video.
dan friesen
Do you?
jordan holmes
I think I might.
This sounds absurdly familiar.
dan friesen
I'm going to take a sip of this wine.
You try and jog your memory whilst I look at you skeptically.
jordan holmes
Okay, so I remember him being in a gym.
It was a video that was like...
dan friesen
That very well could be right.
jordan holmes
It was like 30 degrees looking at him from a distance of probably like...
150 feet.
And you could see just a part of the...
It was almost like an assembly that I remember where people were sitting on their chairs.
dan friesen
I wasn't looking for you to describe the mise-en-scene.
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, but that's the problem.
I remember the image.
I can't remember the bullshit that they're trying to lie about.
Like, if I was going to encapsulate what I think about what he said.
It was probably something along the lines of...
If we are going to...
No, I can't fucking pull it.
I think I remember it, but I can't pull the words.
dan friesen
Let's see if this jogs your memory.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The Nazis, the Soviets, they always come and tell the children, you're the boss of your parents.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Report on them.
alex jones
All over the country, they have BATF grants to local police.
They have officers in the middle schools writing dossiers on their parents.
I covered my film.
Police stayed through the takeover.
I mean, this is happening.
And you read this article, sometimes Jennifer Ross feels she cannot make a move at home without inviting the scorn of her daughters, 10-year-old Grace and 7-year-old Alyssa.
And it shows the daughters bossing her on the photo, looking at her like this, and she's...
Yes, Master.
The Acura MDX she drives.
A flagrant polluter.
The bath at night to help her relax.
unidentified
The Acura!
alex jones
A wasteful indulgence.
The reusable shopping bag she forgot.
Again, tsk, tsk.
I am very, very, very environmentally conscious children.
More so than me, and I'm embarrassed to say, said Ms. Ross, a social worker in Dobbsbury, New York.
They are on my case about getting a hybrid car.
They want me to replace all the light bulbs in the house with energy-saving bulbs.
And then now it says they don't use the washer.
They've got clotheslines in the house.
unidentified
Oh, no.
alex jones
And her kids are the boss because the state says so.
So the state is the boss.
jordan holmes
State mandated clotheslines.
alex jones
Where, you know, the children are spies of the parents.
dan friesen
So this is the first sort of piece of his complaints about...
jordan holmes
You know what's weird?
What he actually described is Puritanism from the beginning of fucking America.
dan friesen
No, he actually...
jordan holmes
Like, that is word for word what Puritans used to say is a good idea.
dan friesen
No, but he's also describing what is, like, good best practices.
jordan holmes
Oh, you mean, like, using...
No, I was talking specifically about kids...
Calling bullshit on their parents and everybody policing each other in a negative way.
dan friesen
I'm just talking about the actual things.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, that's all great stuff.
dan friesen
Like, the idea that, like, if you weren't in a rush, hang your goddamn clothes instead of you wasting electricity and water.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
There's thick...
There are...
Like, I grew up in...
Like, we had a dryer.
But you know what?
We also had a basement.
We just hung clothes to dry.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the basement.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
My parents were pissed off about the idea of wasting resources.
jordan holmes
I can't do that.
My girlfriend and I are discovering mold all over the place, so no hanging.
dan friesen
Fine.
That's other consideration.
jordan holmes
So fuck you, Al Gore!
dan friesen
No, but that's another substantive consideration.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you don't have those considerations, you should hang up clothes.
jordan holmes
If we had a backyard, we would do it.
dan friesen
I would absolutely do that.
I would love it.
Also, every time I wash my clothes, it's like, I need them now.
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
I do not wash my clothes until I have no clothes to wear.
Which is like a week.
dan friesen
I grew up with never having a dishwasher.
Because you can just wash dishes by hand and use less water.
You can do that.
And so that was always the principle that I grew up with.
And it's not like...
Whatever is going on here that Alex is describing in this article is just old ideas.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just old ideas.
But he's taking issue with the idea that children are getting into them.
And that to me is weird.
That to me is strange because kids are being taught...
More or less, that like, hey guys, there's these resources.
We may not have them for long.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We might have fucked up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We might have fucked up and you might be the ones who are going to suffer.
jordan holmes
In fact, you will be the ones who are going to suffer.
dan friesen
Almost certainly.
jordan holmes
Whereas we will not.
We'll be dead.
dan friesen
We're sorry.
jordan holmes
By the time you suffer.
dan friesen
We're sorry about this.
jordan holmes
Maybe, in your own self-interest, ignore the dumb shit your parents are doing because they're going to die before they have to deal with the consequences.
By the way, all of the things they've done have led to you dying a lot faster than you should.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so it's weird to me, the idea that what Alex seems to be taking issue with in that clip that we just listened to is that he's mad that kids are asserting a voice.
I don't understand why that is a problem.
What do you mean?
Well, I don't understand because they're the ones who are going to have to shoulder the burdens.
jordan holmes
Don't understand.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
In Alex Jones' worldview, though, you are not capable of, unless you're Alex, Denying or defying your parents until you are already an adult.
dan friesen
And also, fuck them, they're just me.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
How can you disagree with them?
They are you!
dan friesen
So I guess there's that.
That's super weird.
But eventually, Alex finally gets around to playing the clip of Al Gore.
And here's where we're at.
alex jones
Now again, it isn't about the environment, folks.
It's about control.
It's about bringing in global taxes to be paid to the new global central bank.
jordan holmes
Because he's not going to say that.
alex jones
We told you for years.
Now public.
We're right.
Here it is.
jordan holmes
Before I say this, I need you to know that I am already right.
Because maybe what he says is going to disagree with me and what I say.
But you need to know...
That you should view this through the lens of me already being right.
dan friesen
Ain't always being right.
jordan holmes
Always being right.
dan friesen
You're totally right.
You picked up on the exact subtext of that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And what's fascinating to me is, like, I'm sorry to keep bringing up the fact that I'm going over all this none dare call it conspiracy stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I'm spending a lot of time in those trenches.
And one of the things that Gary Allen does, and all these dudes do in that world, one of the things they do so much is that preemptive groundwork.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That laying track.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Of like, I'm super right.
I need you to be on board before we get the information.
jordan holmes
Before you hear this.
You need to know that you need to view it through the lens of me already having told you what it is he's going to say.
Even when he says a thing that is not what I told you he's going to say, you need to know that he's actually saying the thing I told you he's going to say.
Now let's play the clip.
dan friesen
If I show you X...
With no context.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You might have some thoughts about it one way or the other.
Oh, you might even think it's Y. And I cannot fucking allow that to possibly happen.
jordan holmes
What if it's X?
dan friesen
So what I need you to do is accept my argument that it's X. It's already X. Before we even deal with X. It could be Y. Right.
It's exactly the same thing.
It's crazy.
But anyway, here's the actual clip.
unidentified
Yeah.
When I was your age and the civil rights revolution was...
jordan holmes
I'm following.
dan friesen
Real quick, it's really funny, because Alex is just playing a clip he stole from Glenn Beck's show, because you can hear Glenn Beck chiming in.
jordan holmes
No!
That's sad.
dan friesen
Well, just a second ago, you heard Glenn Beck say 12. Yeah, I did hear that.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I thought that was...
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I thought that was the person who was videotaping it, and this was at the time where people still use giant cameras, I assume?
dan friesen
Alex is stealing a clip from the Glenn Beck show.
jordan holmes
Dude, that's sad.
unidentified
Our parents and their generation explain to me again why it's okay for the law to officially discriminate against people because of their skin color.
Parents try to tell their kids the right thing, you know.
alex jones
Usually, I do.
unidentified
And when our parents' generation couldn't answer that question, Also, by the way, right there, you know why?
dan friesen
That was Glenn Beck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
alex jones
Yeah, let's go to the next part of the clip.
dan friesen
He has to do that because he's stealing clips from Glenn Beck.
He's not getting clips of his own.
He's just repackaging Glenn Beck news.
jordan holmes
How?
How?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
What kind of mental...
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
dan friesen
Wait till the end of this and then we'll get into it.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay, alright, alright.
unidentified
There are some things about our world that you know that older people don't know.
alex jones
And it goes on and on.
There's another clip we'll play later and I'm going to comment on this more, but...
dan friesen
He doesn't really comment on it that much.
So the essential argument that that's pretty much all the audio from the stolen Glenn Beck Al Gore commando footage that he found.
And I would posit that what Al Gore is saying is that certain things are entrenched in people's worldviews.
And you children, younger people...
Have an ability to not be entrenched by that and be able to see the bigger picture.
When we were younger, the example would be that civil rights stuff.
Parents couldn't see the forest for the trees because they had been brought up in that context, that milieu that did not allow them to see outside of that box.
For you, perhaps it is this climate stuff and your parents don't understand it and maybe you do.
He's speaking specifically to people who were involved in a climate organization.
unidentified
Apply it to gun control.
dan friesen
Let's not.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine any way you can hear that and misunderstand it.
I really can't.
It seems so clear.
dan friesen
There's an even more fun way to look at it?
jordan holmes
When I was growing up and...
70% of people thought Martin Luther King Jr. was doing the wrong thing because, again, you guys don't know this because people pretend that it wasn't true, but Martin Luther King Jr. was a really, really, really unpopular guy during his time.
And all of you, all of us kids, realized at the time our parents were fucking insane.
dan friesen
They're wrong.
jordan holmes
And you know that!
You can fucking see it!
How can you not look at that and think, oh, shit, I know exactly what he's saying.
I know exactly what he's fucking saying.
dan friesen
How?
jordan holmes
How is it possible that that is not a clear and perfect argument?
dan friesen
Oftentimes, whenever there's a crisis point, it only illuminates where the past...
Right.
And where the potentials for what the future we can make are.
And that's sort of spiritually what's going on in that clip with Al Gore.
He's talking about the consistent problem of the past and the consistent promise of the future.
And so, you know, it is what it is.
Alex doesn't agree with that.
And I would say that if you don't agree with that...
Then it behooves you to, one, argue on the merits against climate stuff.
Right.
Or two, accept that metaphorically you're saying that fighting against people who were anti-civil rights was the wrong thing to do.
You're pro-being against civil rights.
Because that's the only...
jordan holmes
There's so many things...
On the right, because of my family and the people I know, where at the very least, I can understand where you're coming from.
But if you can take what he said and turn it into something bad, you're insane.
Like, there is no way that you can listen to that and not process it correctly unless you are fucking gone.
There's just no way.
It's not possible.
If you look at that and you say there is something malicious in that behind the idea of you should never trust your parents, you're a fucking idiot.
You're a fucking idiot.
I'm done.
I'm done.
You know what?
I don't think that Glenn Beck guy is a really good guy.
dan friesen
Oh, certainly not.
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you that right now.
I think I fucking nailed it in 2009.
dan friesen
Well, I'm thrilled for you.
But I'm even more thrilled for you, because we're about to find out what happens.
jordan holmes
Because we've got 800 million more clips, don't we?
dan friesen
Seven.
100 million.
Yeah, alright.
So, look, dude, we're about to find out what happens when two, not strangers, friends, sit down with some audio clips.
jordan holmes
And stop being fake and start getting real?
dan friesen
Stop being polite.
And start listening to...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've never watched the real world.
I was trying to pull it and I couldn't do it.
dan friesen
Start listening to a volcanologist.
jordan holmes
You know it got destroyed in the reboot.
dan friesen
The volcanoes?
jordan holmes
No, Vulcan.
Planet Vulcan.
dan friesen
All right.
So, look, now I don't have taste for that.
So Alex finally gets around to having this volcanologist on.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's very exciting because this dude has no fucking time for Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He is just about the science.
And it's delightful.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So we've got a top volcanologist, Dr. Robert B. Trombley, on with us, Ph.D., to break down from his expert opinion and research exactly what is going on in studying the volcano himself physically.
Sir, it's great to have you here with us.
dan friesen
So real quick, from that introduction...
You gotta expect that Alex thinks that this guy's gonna be like...
jordan holmes
This guy's on his team.
dan friesen
It's gonna blow up any day.
jordan holmes
This guy's on his team.
dan friesen
That thing is gonna blow up tomorrow.
jordan holmes
So fast you should buy gold.
dan friesen
The only thing that happens really fast is Alex having his narrative busted.
unidentified
Well, thank you very much for having me on the show.
Delighted to be here with you.
Wow!
Let's see, you're talking about asteroids.
I was originally trained as an astronomer.
So I was very interested in that as well.
But at any rate, first of all, for starters, relative to Yellowstone, there should not be any panic or fear amongst the populace at the moment.
dan friesen
Ooh, that's pretty clear.
That's pretty blunt.
But in case you thought that was a little subtle, in case you thought that was a little subtle, no, hold on.
Robert Trumbly, he wants to clarify.
He wants to clarify a little bit.
unidentified
So it's only erupted three times in its entire history.
But there is no, as I said, there's no real cause for alarm at the moment.
In fact, the earthquake activity has subsided quite a bit of late.
But this is a common occurrence.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, that's pretty blunt.
jordan holmes
It's fairly cut and dry.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You know how when Alex, in his last two failed interviews from the day before, he kept trying to like...
jordan holmes
Here's what I want you to say.
dan friesen
We gotta get some juice.
jordan holmes
Could you please say what I want you to say about anything?
Look, you've already said no to this stuff.
Let me try and throw you into this narrative and maybe you'll say yes to that.
Come on, give me something.
dan friesen
The next five or six clips are Alex so desperately trying to be like, please make people scared.
Please!
And it doesn't work.
It's so gorgeous.
jordan holmes
Immediately, my first response to this clip, in the context of all of the other clips, is like, when did somebody else take over booking guests?
dan friesen
I think that this...
jordan holmes
Like, is Rob Dew...
Rob Dew has to still be in the mix, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
But somebody...
dan friesen
I think he's there.
jordan holmes
Somebody is booking guests.
And occasionally, it feels like they're like...
Alex Jones is fucking stupid, and I want to show the world.
dan friesen
Well, but I think that there is, like, I don't know, you know?
Because, like, the reason I'm laughing a little bit is, like, I just thought, like, about the idea of good faith, and it's like...
jordan holmes
Right.
Nah, goodbye.
dan friesen
No, but, like, good faith...
For us, is one thing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But good faith for an InfoWars booker would be a completely different thing.
It's like, on good faith, you booked him thinking he would go along with our bullshit.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
But that doesn't mean anything anywhere.
dan friesen
No, I know.
But the reason I'm having a difficult time continuing this conversation is because that tickled my brain to a very serious extent.
jordan holmes
That's who I want to talk to!
dan friesen
Rob Jacobson?
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Get rid of all of the fucking guys.
Who was booking these guests in 2009?
I want to know.
dan friesen
There are people who are like Rob Jacobson or...
Who's that?
I can't remember the guy's name.
There's another guy who...
There's people who have broken away from the cult.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, of course.
dan friesen
But Rob wouldn't talk to us because he's in the middle of his EEOC lawsuit.
Sure.
He wouldn't talk to us.
Maybe at some point he might.
But there are people who have left.
You know what sucks too?
There's a bunch of people who have left who have gone on to just be like, I'm going to make my own version.
And so they create YouTube channels where they're like, I'm going to be just...
Slightly smarter.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And act like I'm going over the actual documents, whereas Alex just screams about stuff.
Right.
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
They're the guys who know the scam, but don't know why the scam works.
They just don't get it.
dan friesen
This is just worse entertainment.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
Anyway.
I don't know.
Oh, why is this getting booked?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I just want to know.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I just want to know who it was.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Because it wasn't Rob Due.
Here's what I see.
What I see with these guests today is nobody was protecting Alex.
And at this point in time, when we live in 2018, everybody is protecting him.
He is this fragile, weak, That if he comes in contact with people that disagree with him, he's going to cry and scream.
But back here, he is going to just meekly talk shit about you after you're gone.
dan friesen
I think what you're not taking into account is that at this point, Alex is as he always has been.
On a warpath against the globalists.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But he even knows that he's just kind of making bullshit up.
He hasn't entered into, like, the pupa.
jordan holmes
He is still a caterpillar.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In some ways.
And has not grown into, like, ha-ha, here's what I'm doing.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And he hasn't been surrounded by, like, what you're talking about is, like...
He has people who are like, you don't want to talk to the person.
They're going to fuck you up.
jordan holmes
Just like Trump's lawyers are like, don't talk to the grand jury.
Don't talk to them because if you're under oath, you're going to lie and you're going to be fucking fucked.
dan friesen
But at the same time, he doesn't have also the cadre of people he can talk to.
jordan holmes
That's true.
He doesn't have the Avengers.
dan friesen
Larry Nichols isn't there.
Steve Pachanek, the two of them know each other, I believe, at that point.
He's not around.
Larry Nichols and him know each other, and he's not around.
He just met Peter Schiff.
A lot of these classical weirdos, and these people who have been a part of his...
I can always put my elbow on you and you lean on me, I'll lean on you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kind of shit.
They're not around.
He has to do something.
jordan holmes
I love...
unidentified
Jesse Ventura comes around, but not often.
jordan holmes
Far more than our 2015, I love 2009 because this is chaos.
dan friesen
It's the Wild West.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the Wild West also suffered from frequent volcano attacks.
And...
jordan holmes
That is your ideal transition.
That is the greatest one you've ever done.
dan friesen
You nailed it.
So Alex, he keeps trying to get this guy, Trombley, to be like, you should be scared.
But he keeps going like, no.
So here is Alex asking, is there any danger?
alex jones
Is there any danger of it erupting?
And if it did erupt, what would...
I've been looking at the last eruptions.
unidentified
Okay, first of all, no, there's no real danger of it erupting at the moment.
My normal take on this is it would not probably be erupting for several hundred or even thousands of years.
dan friesen
Okay, so that's not the serious concern.
jordan holmes
His normal take on it.
His normal take on it.
I want to hear his abnormal take on it.
dan friesen
He does not go on to invalidate that.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So then Alex asks, like, well, look, the world, it seems like we're entering an era where there's way more eruptions of volcanoes.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Is that true?
alex jones
Is it, though, you believe from the evidence, entering into the cycle of eruption?
unidentified
It could be, but there's no real indication of that at the moment.
I mean, it's not acting up in the normal.
alex jones
You had told me off-air, I believe, you were saying 61% with the computers, though, that it will erupt.
unidentified
No, no, that was readout.
alex jones
Readout, okay.
unidentified
That was readout in Alaska.
dan friesen
Totally different volcano.
jordan holmes
That was a completely different volcano?
dan friesen
And not a super volcano.
jordan holmes
It was a readout?
dan friesen
Readout is the name of volcano in Alaska.
Okay, so that's what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
Like I said, I got really into volcanoes for a while.
dan friesen
So then Alex asks, there's an uptick in volcanoes though, right?
There's a lot of volcanoes.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with a hard no.
alex jones
Is overall volcanic activity increasing right now?
Are we in an uptick in the cycle?
Just from watching the news, it seems like there's a lot more eruptions going on right now.
unidentified
No, that's somewhat of an illusion.
We normally have about 40 to 60 eruptions a year.
jordan holmes
Love it!
unidentified
The reason that it appears that way is because of the technology and the mass media we have now.
A lot of people didn't even know an eruption went off, except those of us in the business.
And sometimes we get that three, four weeks later, even longer.
Now it's almost, if an eruption goes off anywhere in the world, including in the oceans and so forth, like on islands, I mean, in the oceans and stuff like that, we know about it within minutes.
dan friesen
So that, no, that doesn't work.
jordan holmes
That's so good.
dan friesen
That question's wrong.
jordan holmes
That's so good.
This is my favorite volcanologist in history.
dan friesen
So now Alex asks, like, why do people, like, why are people freaking out?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Why are people panicking?
Why are some people moving out of the area?
Why are they having false alerts if this is just part of a normal cycle?
unidentified
Well, it could be.
I don't really know why.
alex jones
I know you don't really.
dan friesen
Sorry, like, I know you, like, I don't know why.
jordan holmes
I want you to speculate.
Please speculate and make people afraid.
Please.
Please!
dan friesen
No, but after that, like, his response being kind of like a giggle, it's like, the reason is because of you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
People like you, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's why, because...
jordan holmes
Why are people more afraid?
unidentified
Um, because you make them...
dan friesen
Do you remember an hour ago on your show how you were like, it's going to cause the world's temperature to go down?
jordan holmes
Remember when we had connection issues and I was listening to you and you said some crazy dumb shit?
dan friesen
So now, to take things to the craziest fucking level, because Alex is having such a bad time with this interview and just not getting his way at all, he's got to take this to like...
Perhaps the craziest level possible.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Just to get something.
jordan holmes
Just go.
Just go.
dan friesen
I need you to give me something.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
I know you don't really study hydrogen bombs, but there were some debates about if there was ever nuclear testing causing earthquakes and some evidence that it was triggering seismic activity around the world and kind of a domino effect.
I wonder what would happen if a hydrogen bomb went off over Yellowstone or right in the middle of the caldera.
Could that open up a fissure?
I mean, we know there's a bunch of tectonic plates floating around on molten magma.
I'm just curious because there's a lot of military bases based out there and things.
unidentified
I suppose it could.
dan friesen
Okay, sure.
That's great.
You got him.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
You got him, Alex.
jordan holmes
Love it.
You got him.
Love it.
Nailed to the wall.
God, I love these interviews!
dan friesen
What if we nuked Yellowstone?
jordan holmes
I want to stay in 2009 forever!
Are you shitting me?
This is so good!
dan friesen
This shit is not working out so hard that he's like, what if we nuke this volcano?
jordan holmes
What if banana shit happened?
dan friesen
If we were to nuke this volcano, would it justify my fear?
jordan holmes
That's great.
It would.
dan friesen
Maybe?
What an asshole.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I could not love this more.
unidentified
This is such great...
jordan holmes
This is the Alex Jones that captivated people, isn't it?
Isn't this the Alex Jones that was willing to be dumped on?
And yet still pull his narratives.
I don't know.
Like now, he would never accept this.
dan friesen
I'm fascinated.
jordan holmes
This would have been talked over.
This would have been yelled over.
There's no way that he would have even finished a fucking sentence.
But this 2009 Alex is willing to not just listen to this guy, but like say, mm-hmm, yep, no, mm-hmm, yep, no.
I get what you're saying, but...
dan friesen
I'm gonna fucking try.
Now, I'm gonna try.
jordan holmes
Have you ever gone to Narnia?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
If in Narnia, Aslan wasn't around at the time, would Yellowstone still erupt?
Like, it's fantastic.
I love this.
dan friesen
I don't know, man, because, I mean, we saw in the 2008, we saw him getting dunked on by Dean Adele.
jordan holmes
Yeah, great stuff.
dan friesen
Hard.
jordan holmes
Great stuff.
dan friesen
And we've seen this, like, the last two days, as we're, like, in this episode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Three out of four interviews are just like, dude.
unidentified
Dude.
dan friesen
Now, on the other two days, he was able to spin out of it and be like, that guy was an asshole.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We only had him on to set him up.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This one, he can't.
He can't get out of it.
And it's embarrassing.
It goes on an hour, and he keeps to being like, well, what about if we nuked it?
It goes to that extent.
He looks bad on air.
jordan holmes
It doesn't really matter, though, because honestly, I'm just a big fan of this guy especially being like, oh, also, I was trained as an astronomer, so I'm smarter than you in like a million different ways.
dan friesen
He's not even saying any of that shit.
jordan holmes
No, but it's so clear that the subtext is like, I'm going to explain to you.
Like I would a child.
Exactly what's going on.
dan friesen
You notice that this volcanologist is not like, I've read 60 books about volcanoes.
jordan holmes
He's so patient.
He's so kind.
dan friesen
He's a fucking scholar.
jordan holmes
He's just trying to make sure that Alex and Alex's listeners know that, in all honesty, it's not that big of a deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this has been most of what is fun.
About February 4th and 5th in 2009.
jordan holmes
Great.
So you're going to close with some bullshit.
dan friesen
Three clips that are bad and clean up.
Some of it really terrible.
Some of it fine.
Nothing good.
So on this February 5th, Alex has an interview with a guy named Aaron Zellman.
Who's the president of the Jews for gun preservation rights?
Gun rights preservation?
jordan holmes
All right.
Sure.
I didn't know there was a group.
dan friesen
It's an organization that Alex used to be super in favor of.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know if they exist anymore.
I have no idea.
unidentified
Why not?
dan friesen
It might just be Aaron Zellman.
I have no idea who this organization is.
jordan holmes
Entirely possible.
dan friesen
I would say that this interview does not go great because here's how it starts.
unidentified
Well, you are right about a dire situation.
We are faced with a war, a literally war, a war on gun owners waged by the government.
It's a mission that, I guess you could call it the United States government's final solution to the Second Amendment.
I'm not trying to be funny.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
You are kind of trying to be funny.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
Hey, Guy.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Hey, Guy.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
You're kind of trying to be funny.
jordan holmes
I'm not trying to be funny.
I'm just saying.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
It's the Holocaust.
But for guns.
So it's bad?
Is it bad?
unidentified
If we had a Holocaust for guns, is that bad?
dan friesen
Like, legitimately, I'm one of these dudes who doesn't really get mad about stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, I'm not...
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I know.
dan friesen
I'm pretty chill, generally, in terms of, like, unless you talk bad about Michelle Branch or...
jordan holmes
Britney Spears.
Don't bring us back to the Britney Spears debate.
dan friesen
But generally, I'm pretty chill.
jordan holmes
For me...
Which, again, a weird underpinning to this entire episode...
Or Mandy Moore.
...is our pre-episode argument about Britney Spears and every teen pop star at the time.
dan friesen
But, like, I'm pretty cool about stuff.
jordan holmes
Generally.
dan friesen
It really makes me pretty mad.
Like, I don't know...
I'm not Jewish.
I'm not.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
I have empathy for Jewish people.
I have anger the Israeli government.
I think those things can occupy the same bosom.
jordan holmes
Generally speaking.
dan friesen
But I'm furious when I hear someone be like, this is the final solution about guns.
I'm the guy who runs Jews for gun right preservation.
And then he's also like, I'm not trying to be funny.
First of all, as a comedian, a former comedian, I'm like, go fuck yourself.
Go fuck yourself.
You are trying to be funny.
Second, the only way you're gonna make that fucking awful joke...
Is if you really don't think the Holocaust happened, or you don't think it was that big a deal, for you to use the term final solution as a way to poke like, hey, here's these people trying to take our guns.
When they aren't trying to take your guns, you still have your guns now, ten years later, you dumbass.
The only way you can use that language is if either...
You don't think the Holocaust was that big a deal, and the final solution is not something that Jews should really be triggered by, or you kind of want to wink at the Nazis.
One of the two.
unidentified
I'm not entirely sure which, but man, it's fucked up.
jordan holmes
It's not okay.
That makes me really mad.
I just have to ask you the question.
I mean, ultimately, what is your final solution to this problem?
unidentified
That...
jordan holmes
I'm so sorry.
dan friesen
No, but that even works like...
jordan holmes
I'm so sorry.
dan friesen
Asking what is your final solution is not good.
jordan holmes
I don't like it.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
I wish I didn't have to do it, but I had to do it.
The joke was there.
dan friesen
But it's not good.
But that is better than saying this is the final solution.
jordan holmes
Well, because I was trying very specifically to be funny.
I'm so sorry, Dan.
I'm so sorry.
dan friesen
It's not you.
jordan holmes
I know it's not me.
I know it's not me, but I'm adding to it.
dan friesen
And Alex, man.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
dan friesen
But this also should indicate to you a little bit about, again, 2009 Alex versus present Alex.
Right.
Alex in present day, nor 2015 to present that we've listened to.
Doesn't bring up the Jews for the preservation of the Second Amendment.
Any of that stuff.
He doesn't talk about that organization being a piece of his worldview.
jordan holmes
Really tries to ignore it.
dan friesen
But them and Larry Pratt's gun owners of America were the people who he vouched for in 2009.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And hated the NRA.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Hated the NRA back then.
Loves them now.
Doesn't talk about the Jews for the preservation of gun ownership.
Anyway, it's weird.
unidentified
Odd.
dan friesen
Anyway, this next clip is gross.
That's all I'll say about it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's just fun to hear a nice gross clip.
jordan holmes
Is it?
alex jones
Well, right here, we'll put it on screen for you.
A state may compensate juvenile sentenced by judges.
And this goes on right here in Austin.
dan friesen
Very different story than what he's about to dive into.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
By the way, this is confirmed.
No judge, no jury.
It's not a real judge, not a real court, no due process.
They're so lazy when they kidnap small children, they don't even get the names right on the paperwork.
They'll be kidnapping a newborn baby and say, the three-year-old had cigarettes put out on his arm.
And it's a baby.
They'll have the name wrong on it.
I mean, I've been at cases covering it, and you can't believe it.
And the judges are like demon creatures.
And if they ever need to have a psychopath for a movie, Hollywood should go do central casting out of these family court judges.
I mean, they're always the same.
Just always just like...
I mean, they'll even make faces like that, and they call the families, and they're shaking.
The child's done nothing wrong, and they'll go, you sign this document and this decree agreement right now, or you'll never see your other children again.
And then the father will go, oh, oh, no, that shit, arrest him!
And the guy will start crying, please, I didn't know how they were.
unidentified
He goes, trust me, sign it.
alex jones
And the person will sign, and they'll go, ah!
And literally make a demon face.
I've seen it.
Actually, your heart kind of hits you.
I've just seen a demon.
I've just seen a demon.
And so I see this stuff every day.
Just pure, evil, sickening, degenerate criminals running everything.
dan friesen
So, I mean, that's just the same impression he did an hour and a half ago.
He's a fucking mentally lunatic.
jordan holmes
In the context of the current day...
unidentified
When we see so many immigrants.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
That's my version of you doing shh.
It's dismissive.
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
I know, but this can't be.
I just...
This is a real...
dan friesen
Oh, you're talking about the kids that are being kept at centers and shit?
jordan holmes
This nightmare scenario that in 2009 is pretend has become real.
dan friesen
Like, aren't we supposed to...
jordan holmes
Like, when you look at Alex's bullshit...
dan friesen
You're so stupid.
jordan holmes
When you look at his dystopian nightmare in 2009 where you laugh at it and you say, this could never happen, and then you look at the present day and it's fucking real.
dan friesen
And none of us really should have to be like, eh, we were wrong about this, because who knew?
Well, people who were listening probably should have known, and they did kind of know.
We didn't listen to his show.
He's been about the whites the whole time.
He's never really been all that concerned.
Even in 2009, when we're looking at this, like, when we...
It came back, and we were very surprised to see Alex being mad at the police about that black guy who got shot in the BART.
It was more about the fact that the cops killed him.
jordan holmes
It could happen to whites.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
And if it happens to anybody else, I don't really give a fuck.
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Tough.
jordan holmes
Fuck.
dan friesen
Anyway, we get one more clip.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We have one more clip.
jordan holmes
Let's do this last clip.
dan friesen
So Alex has been talking a little bit about how he has an announcement to make.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I thought it was going to be a huge thing.
jordan holmes
You would expect.
dan friesen
It turns out that Jason Burmis, the guy who directed Loose Change...
And does periodic shows for Alex.
He filled in for a couple shows recently.
Right.
He's an InfoWars adjacent guy.
And it's one of those things that's clear, like, you don't have a fucking team yet, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because, like, Jason Burmis does...
Later in 2009, he's doing like once a week shows or so.
There's no David Knight.
There's no crew.
He has Jason Burmus.
Right.
And so the announcement is that Jason Burmus is doing another show.
He's moving to Austin and he's doing a show.
So obviously there's some money that is coming in there.
Now, here's where I think that this...
I don't give a shit about that.
Jason Burma sucks.
But here's why this is interesting.
He says something in this clip that I think is so fucking damning.
I don't even think he understands it coming out of his mouth.
I don't think Alex, if he listened to this, I don't think he'd understand how crazy this is.
unidentified
We're doing what feels right, and that is expanding and going after not only the youth, but just an entirely new audience.
Because, you know, you look at Ted Anderson, and he's running ads on Rush Limbaugh and Hannity.
That's going to bring us an audience, folks.
We need to keep talking to our neighbors, our friends, and family members and bring them to this information so that we can save the republic, Alex.
alex jones
Absolutely, ladies and gentlemen.
We are putting on our afterburners right into the Depression.
dan friesen
So, like, you understand what happened there?
Jason Burmus is saying Ted Anderson is buying ads on Hannity, on Rush.
Do you know what ads?
jordan holmes
Specifically for the purpose.
dan friesen
You know what ads he's buying on those shows?
jordan holmes
What's he buying?
dan friesen
Gold.
He's buying Midas Resources ads.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
He's not buying Alex Jones Show ads on Hannity's show.
Why the fuck would Hannity accept an ad campaign from another conservative radio show that's on a competing network at the same time live as him?
He would never do that.
Ted Anderson is playing these guys.
Because Ted Anderson, oh get this, his whole business model...
Also involved putting ads on competing conspiracy theory blogs to sell his gold, the Midas Resources stuff.
Because it was two separate businesses, it never really seemed like all that much of a trouble.
So all of these shows had Midas Resources stuff going.
All of them.
jordan holmes
Anybody who makes anybody afraid.
dan friesen
Glenn Beck.
jordan holmes
Anybody who makes anybody afraid.
unidentified
Sean Hannity.
dan friesen
Rush Limbaugh.
Neil Bortz.
All of these guys, Mark Levin, all of them had ads from Midas Resources to sell gold.
But you know what he wasn't trying to do?
Build Alex's audience.
He was trying to sell gold to those other scared people.
Because that's what it's all about.
Alex did it!
Pretty well.
He did it the best because he was the most malleable.
He was the one who would be like, oh, I will become a cucked-out gold salesman.
I will change everything about myself in order to fit your mold.
But he never had the most audience.
And that's why he still sold fucking ads to people like Rush.
People like Sean Hannity.
jordan holmes
I just want random pants, Dan.
Why didn't Hannity ever sell me pants that I never knew would fit?
dan friesen
You don't know that he didn't.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
We don't know that Diamond Gusset has never advertised as Sean Hannity.
jordan holmes
I don't know that.
dan friesen
You don't know that for sure?
But that's the kind of thing where I'm like, hey, guys, this is embarrassing.
The idea that Jason Burmus is like, I'm going to move to Austin.
Because how exciting is it that Ted Anderson is buying ads on Rush's show?
jordan holmes
The idea is that that gives us, if Ted Anderson is a sponsor of our show, and at the same time is a sponsor of Hannity and of Glenn Beck, that gives us the legitimacy.
unidentified
That's the concept behind it.
dan friesen
I'm going to play this clip again for you.
I think you misheard it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
We're doing what feels right, and that is expanding and going after not only the youth, but just an entirely new audience.
Because, you know, you look at Ted Anderson, and he's running ads on Rush Limbaugh and Hannity.
That's going to bring us an audience.
dan friesen
He thinks that Ted Anderson is running ads on Hannity and Rush's show that's going to bring them an audience.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's not.
He's running gold sale commercials on those shows.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You should check out Jason Bermas' new show.
jordan holmes
No, I...
dan friesen
You should check out Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I got that.
But if you've got a guy who's sponsoring all of those shows...
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Then when you look up that guy...
dan friesen
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Bullshit.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Because in that, even in that, what we just replayed, Jason Bermas understands Dan Anderson is our sugar daddy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's our guy.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's our guy.
The fact that he's putting ads on these expensive places to put ads means that their audience will soon be our audience.
He's going to get them to come to us.
That's not like our sponsor is their sponsor and therefore there's an equivalence.
He thinks like, we're in, baby.
We're in.
That's what's behind what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
dan friesen
And it's crazy because Ted just wants to fucking sell gold and he's using you and Alex to sell gold.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's using all of you.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's just capitalism.
dan friesen
Anyway.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Boy, I'll tell you what.
jordan holmes
Ugh.
Dan, why did you have to end so miserably?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Mostly because this show generally does.
I'd like to thank everybody and if you like what we do, please go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
Also, we're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are.
Go to iTunes.
Leave a review.
I hear that matters.
Also, we have inexplicably been gaining listeners and everybody who has started listening for whatever reason.
Thank you so much.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
Thank you all.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
It's your turn.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is my turn?
Well, I think it's fucking obvious.
Go goddamn fuck yourself, ICE.
You fucking Nazi goddamn bullshit organization that is fucking destroying the lives of people that you have no fucking deal with.
I fucking can't handle that shit.
If you are an ICE agent, you are a fucking Nazi.
You are going to fucking Nuremberg trial yourself to goddamn death.
And I hope, I hope...
Eventually, you are prosecuted the same way that Nazis are fucking prosecuted whenever they're found in goddamn Brazil.
Don't fucking call this bullshit.
I was following orders.
Fuck you.
Fucking goddamn die.
Alrighty, go fuck yourself, Sice.
dan friesen
Just on the technicality, you have to choose somebody else.
They weren't on this show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The whole thing is someone who's on the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
I'm sorry.
But we briefly...
It was a correlation to the previous conversation that we had regarding that.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with you, but you've got to choose someone who's on the fucking show that we just talked about.
jordan holmes
Man, I think then it's going to have to be goddamn Schiff.
Schiff.
This was the beginning of the end for you, Schiff.
Peter Schiff.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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