Today, Dan tells "Fill In Jordan" Marty DeRosa about how in 2013, Alex Jones did an interview with WWE's own Kane (aka Glen Jacobs). The gents discuss how stupid libertarianism is at its core, how weird it is that "The Devil's Favorite Demon" was a guest on devil-fearing Alex's show, and how great the soundtrack of Josie And The Pussycats was.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Marty! | ||
| Yay! | ||
| Joining me today in this month of May, where Jordan is doing a whole lot of stand-up at the Zanies. | ||
| I'm going to try and fill these episodes with some of my favorite folks. | ||
| And today, joining me in the studio, one of the best, Marty DeRosa. | ||
| Hey, it's good to be back. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| I like that we got you on camera in this sleeveless show. | ||
| Oh, on my camera? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| Show all them guns. | ||
| I actually did a show with Jordan two nights ago, and I told him, at some point... | ||
| You do know a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| We've gotten this criticism from listeners a number of times. | ||
| This does come up. | ||
| I mean, it's not a criticism at all. | ||
| I think it's kind of fun. | ||
| We're kind of lying a little bit, but the relative knowledge is certainly a wide chasm. | ||
| But you know a little bit more, probably, than Jordan about Alex Jones. | ||
| I think he's... | ||
| At this point, he knows more. | ||
| He's taking a summer immersion course. | ||
| He also forgets a lot, though. | ||
| We've discussed that about how, like, and even for me, to a certain extent, like, it's kind of just like, we process this stuff, we react to it, and like... | ||
| I've had listeners ask me, like, what episode did X, Y, or Z have? | ||
| And I'm like, I have no idea. | ||
| Oh, yeah, like the origin. | ||
| Sometimes we'll do that with my podcast. | ||
| They're like, hey, when did that start? | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| Any of your buddies? | ||
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I do. | |
| I'm familiar with Alex. | ||
| Also, speaking of your podcast, congratulations. | ||
| You guys just put out episode 99. 99, baby. | ||
| Which is way more important to celebrate than 100, I think. | ||
| With Wrestling With Depression, it only took me five years to do 99 episodes. | ||
| This only took me the proper amount of time. | ||
| Yeah, that's what happens when you get down to business. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And you protect that business. | ||
| I try to protect the business as best as possible. | ||
| But yeah, I'm familiar with Alex. | ||
| I think that you're probably on the same page with me and you sort of helped put me on the right path. | ||
| I was very romanticized by conspiracy theories before... | ||
| You know, Trump took office and kind of just ruined, you know, much like the alt-right guys ruined the good name of cucks. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think also that, you know, the conspiracy theory videos have been, they're just not as fun anymore. | ||
| Nah, context is so important to stuff that you goof around with. | ||
| Yeah, and when you see stuff, when you're just like, oh man, that's so fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and then, you know, you listen to, like, the stuff that, you know, my favorite was a couple episodes back I was listening to and Alex was like, it's not my job to prove anything. | ||
| I'm like, sure. | ||
| It's 100% your job. | ||
| Yeah, or it is. | ||
| Whenever you make extraordinary claims, it's your goddamn job, I would say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to ask you this because you're an expert in other fields, such as the wrestling field. | ||
| That's really it. | ||
| Wrestling, porn, maybe. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't need to ask you any questions about that, though. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| In terms of wrestling, did you have a similar moment at all as the changing of conspiracy videos with this latest event in Saudi Arabia, the greatest Royal Rumble? | ||
| See, much how you're probably just completely... | ||
| Unfazed by anything Alex does. | ||
| I can't be shocked. | ||
| You can't be shocked. | ||
| I'm the same way with WWE. | ||
| I can't be shocked. | ||
| They're such hypocrites. | ||
| They talk out of both sides of their mouths. | ||
| They'll pat themselves on the back so much. | ||
| Wasn't even Stephanie McMahon's quote that philanthropy is the new marketing? | ||
| Even that sentence is two-sided. | ||
| There's just a whole lot of stuff like that where it's just like, oh man, and then you hear the women aren't allowed. | ||
| The Saudi, whoever was in charge, I don't know if it was the Saudi royal family or whoever was in charge, had to put out an apology because an ad for Backlash was played that showed women, and they were like, yeah, we are. | ||
| I saw something on the Reddit squared circle, and it was just like, it was like, apology made on Greatest World Rumble. | ||
| I'm like, oh, and I clicked on it. | ||
| Thinking they're going to be like, you know what? | ||
| Maybe next time we will bring women here. | ||
| You know, they wrestled in the... | ||
| We'll let Sami Zayn have an interesting conversation about him supporting the Syrian victims of Saudi Arabian weapons. | ||
| How dare they? | ||
| And then... | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, they were like, hey, sorry that there was a video that you saw a woman's arm. | ||
| Sorry you saw Carmella. | ||
| Yeah, you saw Carmella's stomach and super nice butt. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Man. | ||
| But yeah, and it's just, you know... | ||
| It's just, and they got, I'm hearing, like, hundreds of millions? | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| You hear the stat thrown around of, like, 25 million or 60 million about the single event. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But considering it's part of a 10-year deal, like, it's outrageous to imagine it's not in the hundreds of millions. | ||
| But, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I see two sides of it, kind of, with the, like, hey, maybe this will work. | ||
| To help make things better in the future. | ||
| But I also don't trust that when it's a company run by crazy Vince McMahon, and his wife is in the Trump administration, and they spend so much time doing basically Saudi propaganda on the actual show. | ||
| It was so creepy. | ||
| Also, though, and they keep talking about progress, but Dave Meltzer, who's... | ||
| You know, many will call the Dan Friesen of professional wrestling. | ||
| I'm going to change the name of the show to the Alex Jones Observer. | ||
| Yeah, it should be, yeah. | ||
| But in the newest Wrestling Observer newsletter, he says three years ago, Sami Zayn wrestled in the country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then now he's not allowed back in. | ||
| So it's like, how's that progress? | ||
| That's not. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Because he bought some ambulances for the people in Syria. | ||
| Circumstances have changed a bit, you know, in terms of the severity of the situation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I think it's kind of foolish to think of... | ||
| It being, like, a tool for progress, considering the anti-progressive people behind it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What did you think of those pictures of, like, The Undertaker and Kurt Angle and Brock and Vince sitting at the table? | ||
| It was very surreal. | ||
| I saw, like, a GIF of it. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| And it scrolled down the table. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Kind of one of those things where, like, I imagine, like, The Undertaker and, like, Kurt Angle are taking a piss, and he's just like... | ||
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What did we get ourselves into this time, Kurt, brother? | |
| I should have shown up as the American badass. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| I think it's weird. | ||
| I've had some people comment on it, because there's some wrestling fans in our audience, and some people have said that it's pretty wild, the idea that they allowed... | ||
| The Iranian flag to be flown. | ||
| Yeah, so I know the Daivaris. | ||
| I know Sean and Arya personally. | ||
| The brother, Sean, was he the one who played the terrorist years ago? | ||
| He was Muhammad Hassan's manager. | ||
| Oh, okay, he was the manager. | ||
| Yeah, and the mouthpiece. | ||
| So that introduces a whole other layer. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So he's been on TV pushing buttons for a long, long time. | ||
| But yeah, they went there and then Arya had to put out a tweet like, hey, I just play a role. | ||
| People threatened to kill him. | ||
| Yeah, so I mean... | ||
| There's still probably a part of every wrestler who's like, hell yeah, someone wanted to threaten my life. | ||
| I still think there's that part of wrestling who's like, fuck yeah, it's still real to me, damn it. | ||
| People still want to kill me. | ||
| I felt that way as a college columnist when I was writing shit. | ||
| When I did death threats, I'm like, yeah, I'm making waves. | ||
| But this isn't the kind of wave you want to make. | ||
| TNA did... | ||
| In India, ring-cut king a couple years ago. | ||
| It's Pakistanis come out? | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure they had that same whole thing of like, hey, we're from the country you don't like. | ||
| We're the bad guys. | ||
| It's the city... | ||
| They do that in America a lot with cities or... | ||
| Oh, the New Age outlaws. | ||
| We're famous for... | ||
| We're in Chicago. | ||
| Okay, we're coming out in Brett Favre jerseys back in the day. | ||
| But they're also going to call every cheesehead... | ||
| Like, I know I've brought this up, and I apologize for using that word, but I brought this up with you. | ||
| Going back and watching that stuff is shocking. | ||
| Just the signs alone. | ||
| I'll show Sarah some old stuff, and I'll be like, oh, you've got to watch the Rise of Stone Cold or this crazy match they had or whatever. | ||
| And as we're watching it, every once in a while, she'll be like, oh my god, what does that sign say? | ||
| And I'll pause it, and it'll be like, the worst sign ever. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's cringeworthy. | ||
| Yeah, it really is. | ||
| But using that same method of getting heat on somebody or whatever is pointless when it's a one-off super show, and second, when it's countries that are killing each other. | ||
| I think that's when it's like, yeah, you've gotten a little too far there. | ||
| Also... | ||
| It's not like there's a literal turf war between these two sports teams in America. | ||
| So what everybody's kind of trying to wrap their head around is... | ||
| You know, because there was that sumo guy, and they're like, what was that guy doing there? | ||
| And they're like, well, they wanted Yokozuna, but they're like, well, he's dead, so we'll book this sumo guy. | ||
| That makes that booking tough. | ||
| Now! | ||
| Wait, wait, you mean the Saudis wanted Yokozuna? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So, and it is kind of funny, like, I have a couple friends who are just like... | ||
| I thought you meant the bookers wanted him. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Like, and it is funny, too, because, like, I was talking to my buddy Mike O 'Keefe, who's a comedy comedian and wrestling fan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he was like, do you ever just think there's, like, some, like... | ||
| Little Saudi prince, you know, boy who's just like, and I want this match, and I want this match, and I want 50 men in the Royal Rumble, and just like, he's booking it on his own. | ||
| So I'm like, damn it, I can't remember the names of the kids from Willy Wonka. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Baruch Assault. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Let's call it that one. | ||
| Could, I'm surprised there wasn't a... | ||
| Beauregard. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm surprised there wasn't a title change there. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| But also, with those guys, they could have had anyone come out and been like, oh, you think you can cut it here? | ||
| You're from Saudi Arabia. | ||
| You're not going to cut it here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they could have done that. | ||
| But, I mean, when I saw that, I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| They could have gotten, like, the anti or the bad guy heat on a... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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And I still give... | |
| Like, Linda, a pass, because I still think she's a nice lady. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, she's Linda. | ||
| She's the most harmless one of all. | ||
| She's not like Betsy DeVos or something like that. | ||
| She's just Linda. | ||
| This is leftover sympathy from that time when Vince was drugging her. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Now, I will say, though, it is kind of funny that she is the secretary of small business. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they make all their wrestlers sign up as independent contractors and don't give them insurance. | ||
| Oh, that is ironic. | ||
| And they've put so many small businesses in the form of wrestling companies out of business. | ||
| And when they roll into town, they'll tell the cities, like, hey, don't let other places have any of these arenas or anything like that. | ||
| No compete stuff. | ||
| Just, you know, real small business-y stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But I haven't watched much of Alex in modern day for the last week or so. | ||
| Because I just came to a moment where I was like, everything is a distraction. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Everything is bullshit. | ||
| This is all nonsense. | ||
| And so, like, we have people asking and posting on our group on Facebook about, like, oh my god, he's getting in a fight with Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god, he's pretending he has Kanye West coming on the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I keep trying to express to people, and everyone has the right to enjoy whatever they want. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| But, like, this is nothing. | ||
| This is all a distraction. | ||
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Sure. | |
| There are real issues going on and there's no content on his show anymore. | ||
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No. | |
| As far as I can tell. | ||
| It feels real. | ||
| Like, let's just open up a couple webpages and see what's going on. | ||
| See what's on Drudge. | ||
| We'll talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, Drudge. | ||
| I've asked you this before. | ||
| What do you think Drudge thinks of Alex? | ||
| I think he thinks he's an idiot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because Alex makes it seem like they're boys. | ||
| Drudge came on Alex's show in 2015 and did a little appearance from The Shadows. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He refused to be on camera, but he had a mic and he was off camera somewhere. | ||
| And he was telling Alex... | ||
| He's a good friend. | ||
| He just doesn't want to be on camera today. | ||
| He's a very secretive man. | ||
| Even though there's pictures of him on the internet. | ||
| But he... | ||
| He was telling Alex all this unbelievable bullshit. | ||
| Like, one of the things he actually told Alex was that when the powers that be, the globalists, created ISIS... | ||
| I thought you meant Vince Russo at Ferrara and WCW. | ||
| No. | ||
| The other ones. | ||
| Again, wrestling and the globalists overlap a lot with the New World Order. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| The right to censor is certainly relevant now with YouTube. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| There are violations. | ||
| But he was telling Alex that when they created ISIS, they named it ISIS, because they were trying to demonize Daryl Issa, who's in Congress. | ||
| And was an enemy of the regime. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| And he couldn't even keep a straight face while he was telling Alex this, but he wasn't joking. | ||
| He was trying to get Alex to take the bait on the narrative. | ||
| And it's pretty clear that he looks at Alex as someone who he's got to patronize a little bit with throwing links and stuff like that. | ||
| Sure, like Roger Stone. | ||
| But he's super usable. | ||
| I think that's the relationship they have. | ||
| I think another thing, too, is after watching that Roger Stone documentary that really bummed me out about a lot of stuff, and I'm just like... | ||
| There's times where I'll, and we talked about this before, where I'm just like, man, these shows should have you on to just be in someone's ear when they're interviewing Alex. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Megyn Kelly was interviewing him. | ||
| You could have been just like, hey, tell him that's not true and ask him if that was the case. | ||
| Why did he say this? | ||
| And you think, wow. | ||
| I bet a lot of instances like that Megyn Kelly interview, I bet there are a number of instances of her saying... | ||
| The right questions. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then it led to nothing. | ||
| And then when they edit it, they have to make it look somewhat presentable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I just think... | ||
| I don't know why there isn't any media training for... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe there's... | ||
| Just study that Roger Stone documentary. | ||
| Be like, this is why they can trick you guys so much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why I enjoy watching... | ||
| There's no good faith. | ||
| They're all lying. | ||
| I feel so bad I always forget his name. | ||
| Who's the guy on... | ||
| Not Sam Seder, but his other guy. | ||
| Michael Brooks. | ||
| That guy knows how to handle those fucking people. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| Yeah, he's very, very smart. | ||
| And smart me enough. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| To where at first I'm like, I don't think I like this guy. | ||
| Then I'm like, I like this guy. | ||
| And the details of policy, like that him and Seder both are really good at, really ends up getting people trapped. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, especially, particularly libertarians, whenever they have conversations with them. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They always get stuck in some... | ||
| Pretty big problem with libertarian ideology. | ||
| Well, who's going to pay for the roads? | ||
| We don't need roads, baby! | ||
| Jetpacks! | ||
| Where we're going, we don't need roads. | ||
| Have you watched that entire libertarian debate? | ||
| No. | ||
| God, I recommend everybody watch it. | ||
| It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| It's too long, but man, it's hilarious. | ||
| You have to do a Patreon exclusive for it. | ||
| It's five lunatics. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Just out lunatic-ing each other. | ||
| Or even the rent's too damn high, guys. | ||
| Like, this is... | ||
| I can't. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| John McAfee trying to sound real relevant, smart. | ||
| Gary Johnson. | ||
| His name's so boring, I forget it. | ||
| He ran. | ||
| He did. | ||
| But he seems so reasonable standing with those other four ding-dongs. | ||
| Also, shout-out to Glenn Jacobs, who won the Republican nomination. | ||
| Funny you should bring that up. | ||
| We've been dancing around. | ||
| Talking about libertarians. | ||
| We've been dancing around libertarians. | ||
| We have. | ||
| Wrestling and Alex Jones. | ||
| And the intersection of those three things is an episode of Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| In 2013. | ||
| No. | ||
| Marty, I'm going to play this first clip for you. | ||
| Let's see what you think about this. | ||
| Glenn Jacobs has worked for the World Wrestling Entertainment for almost 20 years. | ||
| He is well-known around the world under his stage name Kane. | ||
| He's a libertarian or thought criminal who discovered and became a devout student of Austrian economics, as we are as well, with Lou Rockwell yesterday, the head of the Von Mies Institute a number of years ago. | ||
| He is the co-founder of the Tennessee Liberty Alliance, a free market educational organization. | ||
| Glenn tries to use his fame in pop culture to spread the message of liberty and sound economics. | ||
| He's written articles for the future of Freedom Foundation, LouRockwell.com, The Daily Caller, as well as appearing on various television programs. | ||
| And he joins us now, following on Twitter at JacobsReport, and he is with us today. | ||
| Wow, great to have you on. | ||
| I love the speech that I saw you give at Libertarian. | ||
| I would love to just give you the floor to talk about Obamacare and the attacks on free speech and the TSA now rolling on the streets of America. | ||
| Great to have you with us, sir. | ||
| Great to be here, Alex. | ||
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Thanks for having me. | |
| That'd be funny if he had the voice mod. | ||
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Thank you, Alex. | |
| It's good to be here. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| I don't need that. | ||
| My character did that years ago. | ||
| I like to joke around and have fun. | ||
| I like to have fun. | ||
| You might have seen me and Daniel Bryan do some very fun things. | ||
| We do some comedy from time to time. | ||
| I would also love it if he did this interview in kayfabe or he had the mask or anything, but no. | ||
| Bad news. | ||
| Kane appears on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| He's corporate Kane, right? | ||
| He is very corporate Kane. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What year is this? | ||
| This is 2013. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So actually, I was trying to figure out. | ||
| I didn't have enough time. | ||
| He's got the shaved head. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I didn't have enough time to look into exactly the storyline he would have been involved in in 2013. | ||
| Well, 2013, probably. | ||
| Would that be the Daniel Bryan years? | ||
| No. | ||
| That was like 2015, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I could be wrong. | ||
| But that was like, I think that was like around 20... | ||
| Actually, maybe we might be getting into that. | ||
| This might have been a... | ||
| I feel bad. | ||
| This might be anger management years? | ||
| Oh, it might be the Zack Ryder, John Cena. | ||
| Oh, the love triangle? | ||
| The love triangle type of years? | ||
| Yeah, possibly. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| Whatever it was, it was something stupid. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm going to predict. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Based on my knowledge of Kane's storylines from years past, I'm going to guess real dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So did you know that Kane had appeared on Alex Jones' show? | ||
| I did not, but I am not surprised. | ||
| I know he had been on other shows. | ||
| I think he's been on Hannity before. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So that might be the variety of shows he's talking about. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| Yeah, it might be. | ||
| Because whenever I heard him talking about a wrestler and saying he's appeared on a bunch of shows, I always thought like... | ||
| You could give that credit to John Bradshaw Lightfield. | ||
| He's been on Fox News a bunch. | ||
| A bunch. | ||
| And he had his own syndicated radio show where he talked about economics and stuff like that. | ||
| I would have felt like that would be more credible, but we got the demon. | ||
| The devil's favorite demon. | ||
| It's so fucking weird. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| So in that clip, you would have heard Alex say that Kane... | ||
| I'm not going to call him Glenn. | ||
| Okay, let's stick with Kayfabe, he's Kane. | ||
| Kane had an awakening due to the Austrian School of Economics and the Von Mies Institute, which, by the way, is just the Mies Institute. | ||
| Alex doesn't have the name right. | ||
| But I expected that you wouldn't know what that is. | ||
| It sounds, and I'm going to be a real xenophobic American, sounds like it might be evil. | ||
| It's not so much evil as it is, I think, stupid. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Good. | ||
| And maybe some of the effects of it end up being evil, but I'm going to give you a quick rundown of the Austrian school here. | ||
| So here's the too-long-didn't-read version of it up top. | ||
| These guys are a bunch of fucking dicks. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The roots of the Austrian school seems mostly to be based in a strong hatred of FDR and some of his social programs, and they basically are just against collectives larger than the state. | ||
| Which is right in line with libertarian thinking. | ||
| I always have real trouble trying to understand, like, why do you hate the federal government but like the state? | ||
| When what is the federal government but just an amalgamation of states? | ||
| Shouldn't you hate? | ||
| The city or the state and like the city? | ||
| And then what about the district and the city or the household? | ||
| That's what you really come down to is they want everyone to have their own laws, more or less. | ||
| Sure, that works. | ||
| So the Austrian School of Economics, they subscribe to the Austrian business cycle theory, which states that central banks control the business cycle through intentional booms and busts by manipulating interest rates. | ||
| When they make the interest rates low, it triggers banks to give out a lot of credit to people, which creates a bubble destined to burst, and that leads to a recession. | ||
| Central banks are the evil ones, but they fail to mention that there were tons of cycles before the Federal Reserve or central banks were ever introduced. | ||
| The solution that they generally offer, predictably, is to buy gold. | ||
| Peter Schiff, who is a frequent guest on Alex Jones' show, is a prominent Austrian-style economic commentator. | ||
| Not surprisingly, he has his own gold sale operation. | ||
| Also, he is a frequent guest on Alex' show, which is syndicated by a man who owns a gold and silver sale company for 20 years. | ||
| You know who another famous gold salesman is? | ||
| Kane? | ||
| Not close. | ||
| He's broken a lot of guitars in the wrestling business. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Are you talking about Double J? | ||
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I am talking about Double J. Slap nuts gold! | |
| Double J was starting Global Force Wrestling and it was gaining some momentum. | ||
| People were like, what's it going to be? | ||
| Jarrett's the king of like, he can just get shit done. | ||
| He is the guy to get shit done. | ||
| His wrestling career has just been amazing in the fact of like... | ||
| Outside of the WWE's bubble, he's made it work. | ||
| Everywhere he's gone, he's gotten TV deals. | ||
| He's back in the WWE. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But even within... | ||
| I remember you telling me that story a while back, because I was watching back through... | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I think it was a good housekeeping match. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And about how he extorted the WWE to pay him a bunch of money, because they forgot his contract. | ||
| They forgot his contract was ending. | ||
| He had the Intercontinental title. | ||
| He was in a feud with China, and they were going to have this good housekeeping match. | ||
| Which was... | ||
| Embarrassing. | ||
| Very embarrassing. | ||
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| And he was like, hey, if I'm going to lose to China. | ||
| Which is going to hit me with a mop or some shit. | ||
| I'm going to need a lot of money. | ||
| And he was kind of like, look, the way I see it, I basically made him pay him like a year's worth of, he's like, I need good fame. | ||
| And he was like, until the wife was like, yep, it's in the bank account. | ||
| He's like, all right, let's do it. | ||
| Wrestled, got in a car, in his gear all covered and all that stuff. | ||
| That's making your career work. | ||
| Yeah, but with Global Force Wrestling, there was going to be this big announcement. | ||
| And then with the big announcement, it was just like, hey, buy gold from Global Force Wrestling. | ||
| I vaguely remember that. | ||
| Everyone was like, oh no. | ||
| And I remember knowing people that worked there, and I'm like, guys, what? | ||
| And they're like, we didn't, what are you going to do? | ||
| It wasn't me. | ||
| I didn't do this. | ||
| Surprisingly, that didn't take off. | ||
| It's pretty crazy, but you start to notice this real trend of what they call gold buggery. | ||
| We're just selling gold. | ||
| Not to be confused with skullduggery. | ||
| No, but there are similarities in terms of being sort of nefarious actions. | ||
| All over this conspiracy and libertarian world, you'll just find people who are telling you to buy gold. | ||
| It's the only safe thing to do. | ||
| And then you scratch beneath the surface a little bit and you find a financial interest in gold companies. | ||
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| And it's like, I... | ||
| Huh. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| But we're going to talk a little bit more about that a little bit later. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I did some looking into it and I found the roots of that sort of behavior. | ||
| Will Alex slip in that he's a tough guy? | ||
| Wait, that Alex is a tough guy? | ||
| Is Alex going to slip in to Kane like, well, you know, I've been in my fair share of fights. | ||
| I'm going to take you on in an Inferno match. | ||
| Here's what I'm looking at. | ||
| If I'm doing my Alex bingo card, he's going to mention that, you know... | ||
| Do you want to make a bingo card? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's been in some fights. | ||
| He's going to mention the Von Eriks in Texas. | ||
| No, the Von Mises. | ||
| I think he's going to also mention the Von Eriks. | ||
| I'll put the Von Eriks up against the Von Mises. | ||
| I think he's going to mention the Rock and Stone Cold. | ||
| And he might ask where the Hulkster is. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You would not get bingo. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| Is he sticking to not wrestling stuff? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to give it away. | ||
| We've got a bit of territory left to cover. | ||
| Take it away. | ||
| So back to the Austrian school real quick. | ||
| What makes them different than other people, other schools of economics, like the Chicago school or any of these other schools of thought, is that they believe that individual choices and actions are the only relevant factors in economics. | ||
| And thus, they reject the importance of statistics and economic modeling. | ||
| I reject your statistics. | ||
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| It's crazy because they believe that society can't act because society isn't a person. | ||
| An only persons act. | ||
| Like, oh boy, okay, fine, whatever. | ||
| They generally reject empirical evidence, and some would argue that this is being willfully obtuse, but they do this because they think that statistics and empirical evidence are biased because people make decisions that cannot be captured by statistics and models. | ||
| In reality, they do this because this is not a school of economics. | ||
| It's a front to push severe and ridiculous libertarian politics out as an economic theory. | ||
| When you look into it a little bit, most of the players, such as Lou Rockwell and Murray Rothbard, those are two major players in the Austrian School of Economics. | ||
| They have mysterious ties to right-wing organizations like the Cato Institute and deeply troubling ties to the John Birch Society. | ||
| I'm going to read you a quote about Rothbard here. | ||
| Rothbard, Barry Rothbard, the late Rothbard, who described himself as a member of the old right faction since 1946. | ||
| His name is Barry Rothbard? | ||
| There's a comic named Barry Rothbard. | ||
| No, I think it's Rothbart. | ||
| Oh, Rothbart. | ||
| That's Barry Rothbard. | ||
| This is Murray Rothbard. | ||
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Oh, Murray. | |
| I might have misspoken. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| He describes himself as a member of the old-right faction since 1946. | ||
| He was a Jewish New Yorker who supported Strom Thurmond's States Rights Party in 1948. | ||
| Bemoaning the neoconservative's success in establishing themselves as the only right-wing alternative to the left, Rothbard called for a resurgence of the old-right to, quote, repeal the 20th century. | ||
| He later molded a paleo-alliance limited to what he considered good libertarians. | ||
| As described in the 1990 issue of the John Birch Society's New American... | ||
| And militantly anti-Christian atheists. | ||
| He's talking about Bill Maher. | ||
| If you don't know what antinomians are, they're people who believe in the New Testament of the Bible, specifically that Jesus' grace and sacrifice were a fulfillment of the law and freed people from Moses' Old Testament laws. | ||
| He wants to purge people from the party who don't subscribe to Old Testament law. | ||
| Well, that sounds very much like those libertarian values I've heard so much about. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Do what you want to do. | ||
| Don't eat shellfish. | ||
| Don't eat shellfish. | ||
| Don't get tattoos. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| In 1995, the Mies Institute held a conference to debate the viability of states seceding from the Union, which they are really into. | ||
| They are super into. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So the Mies Institute is based on a major player and one of the... | ||
| I would say intellectual grandfathers. | ||
| Major player sounds like a no-limit soldier. | ||
| So does Skullduggery. | ||
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Oh, wait. | |
| That actually was one. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Ludwig von Mies was a major player in the... | ||
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Just gave you a weird look. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| In the Austrian School of Economics. | ||
| And so the Mies Institute was named after him and is sort of one of the big think tanks, publishing houses for these weirdo libertarian ideas masquerading as a school of economic thought. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I want to... | ||
| I read a bunch of... | ||
| Like posts by the Mies Institute. | ||
| They're like sort of policy positions. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I want to read some of these to you, but if I read all of them, it's going to be too much. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just give me the greatest hits. | ||
| No, what I'm going to do is I'm going to read you one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then we're going to listen to some more. | ||
| A little bit later, I'll read you another one of their policies. | ||
| And so you can hear just how fucking stupid these people are. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I'm going to start with their take on A Christmas Carol. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You know that classic Christmas movie? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You got Scrooge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You got the ghosts. | ||
| You got Marley. | ||
| Yeah, it kind of shows you money and being alone isn't worth it, and it's better to give than to receive. | ||
| It's not the message they took away from it. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Satanic? | ||
| No, they're really into it being cool to be a miser and to store money. | ||
| Because they believe, basically, that if you save money, that's investment in future things, which is good, when in reality, they're just people gathering up billions of dollars that isn't being circulated and doesn't help anybody. | ||
| So they believe, actually, that Bob Cratchit, the employee, is the villain of A Christmas Carol. | ||
| He's separating Scrooge from his money. | ||
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| By saying, like, look at this poor kid. | ||
| He's making undue demands. | ||
| Just by virtue of his existence on Scrooge, who has every right to his money. | ||
| So here's a quote from their write-up about it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So let's look without preconceptions at Scrooge's allegedly underpaid clerk, Bob Cratchit. | ||
| The fact is, if Cratchit's skills were worth more to anyone than the 15 shillings Scrooge pays him weekly, there would be someone glad to offer it to him. | ||
| Since no one has, and since Cratchit's profit-maximizing boss is hardly a man to pay for nothing, Cratchit must be worth exactly his present wages. | ||
| No doubt Cratchit needs, i.e. | ||
| wants, more to support his family and care for Tiny Tim, but Scrooge did not force Cratchit to father children. | ||
| He is having difficulty supporting. | ||
| If Cratchit had children while suspecting he would be unable to afford them, he, not Scrooge, is responsible for their plight. | ||
| And if Cratchit didn't know how expensive, Why must Scrooge assume the burden of Cratchit's misjudgment? | ||
| As for that one lump of coal Scrooge allows him, it bears emphasis that Cratchit has not been chained to his chilly desk. | ||
| If he stays there, he shows by his behavior that he prefers his present wages plus comfort package to any other he has found or supposes himself likely to find. | ||
| Actions speak louder than grumbling, and the reader can hardly complain about what Cratchit evidently finds satisfactory. | ||
| This sounds like what a really nice Republican would say to people working at McDonald's. | ||
| Like, if you don't like it, go get a better job. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| No one's forcing you to work here. | ||
| The fact that you stay wherever you are while you're being exploited means you're totally cool with it, and so should we. | ||
| Also, stop having them dang kids. | ||
| Yeah, especially ones that come out crippled, like Tiny Tim. | ||
| They come out tiny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Charles Dickens wrote A Christmas Carol, and one thing that's really fun is to look at Charles Dickens' life. | ||
| He was born into a well-to-do family, but then his dad spent way too much money. | ||
| And so in 1824, his father, John, was committed to a debtor's prison in London because he owed too much money. | ||
| At that point, Dickens was 12 years old. | ||
| He was forced to pawn his collection of books, leave school, and go to work at a shoe-blacking factory, a dirty and rat-infested factory. | ||
| The change in Dickens' circumstances gave him what his biography Michael Slater described as a deep personal and social outrage, which influenced his works. | ||
| Because Charles Dickens lived the reality of these hypothetical bullshit things that these dumbasses at the Von Mies Institute are talking about. | ||
| He had a Trading Places scenario with himself. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Everything was fine up until 10 or so, and then, hey, 12, pawn those books and go black some shoes and say hi to the rats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Then he took a gamble on himself with that book. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And he was correct. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He was selling that book himself. | ||
| But he, you know... | ||
| But I understand what you're saying. | ||
| His work ended up having a really socially conscious bent to it because he experienced child labor. | ||
| He experienced debtor prisons and stuff like that. | ||
| It is kind of crazy how you can look at anything and be like... | ||
| This is my take on that, and everybody else isn't just like, come on. | ||
| Like, somebody shared a meme on... | ||
| Are you off Facebook now? | ||
| I'm on it, but only to really use our group. | ||
| I don't really... | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| I don't engage much. | ||
| Somebody posted a meme that clearly a lunatic... | ||
| It was the guy who stopped the shooting at the Waffle House. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he had his hand bandaged, and they're like, this is the guy who stopped the shooter at Waffle House, this black guy. | ||
| With his bare hands. | ||
| So next time a liberal says you shouldn't be intimidated by a black male, next time they tell a cop they shouldn't be intimidated by a black male, you think twice about that. | ||
| And it's like, whoa, that's the pivot. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That is a hot take. | ||
| Yikes! | ||
| Yeah, this is, I mean, this is... | ||
| Guy who acted heroically in the face of death. | ||
| Let's turn him into something to be scared of. | ||
| They're super, they have superpowers and they should be feared. | ||
| They're mutants. | ||
| But that's the world we live in now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But even back then, though, you had this, just like, that's one of those things, too, where it's just like, I'd never let my kid watch that. | ||
| And you're like, why? | ||
| And you're like, oh, because of this, this, and this. | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| Where did you get that? | ||
| Oh, you mean Christmas Carol? | ||
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| You're like, yeah, why are they oppressing Scrooge like this? | ||
| Why is he being harassed by these ghosts? | ||
| Yeah, and you're like, okay, there's some stuff that is kind of like over the top, and you're just like, wow, yeah, that is a little interesting. | ||
| This is just like... | ||
| I could see an argument against Christmas Carol in terms of like some of the materialism in it. | ||
| Like, why are we fattening up a goose? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm trying to riff some complaint. | ||
| I don't really have one. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't like Christmas much, so it's never been my favorite. | ||
| But yeah, this argument is fucking stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As is, it turns out, Glenn Jacobs, also known as Cain. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So Alex has introduced the interview, and here's what... | ||
| He's like, I want to open the floor to you, Cain. | ||
| What do you want to talk about? | ||
| So much to talk about. | ||
| What do you want to begin with? | ||
| We could spend three hours talking, couldn't we? | ||
| There's a lot of stuff. | ||
| Why don't we talk about Bitcoin, actually? | ||
| Because I find it rather fascinating, especially the debate that's going on within libertarian and Austrian economic circles right now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Give us your take on it. | ||
| Well, first of all, I think like everybody else, I like to see the development of something like Bitcoin. | ||
| I really like the idea of competing currencies. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That's really fun that you like competing currencies, Glenn Jacobs, also known as Cain. | ||
| I keep forgetting to call him Cain. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Everybody, I think libertarians love to talk about competing currencies and all this shit. | ||
| And they're like, oh, Bitcoin is an opportunity to have government-free currencies. | ||
| Bitcoin's like gold's little brother to them. | ||
| Yeah, it's like electro gold or something like that. | ||
| Spoiler alert, in the Austrian school and the Mies Institute and even... | ||
| Cain is going to say this later. | ||
| It's like, oh, Bitcoin's great, but gold, buy gold, that sort of thing. | ||
| So in terms of competing currencies, did you know that we've tried that before? | ||
| No. | ||
| We've tried this. | ||
| So early in our history, individual banks printed their own currencies. | ||
| Which were exchangeable for gold and silver. | ||
| Before the passage of the National Banking Act in 1863, up to 8,000 different entities issued their own money. | ||
| Just different banks. | ||
| They just had tons of banks. | ||
| You guys take Chase money here? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But it wouldn't be Chase. | ||
| It would be some smaller bank. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because there was a whole situation where like some states had state charters for banks and then you had states like New York and there's a couple others that just had free banking and so you could just make up your own bank or whatever. | ||
| And when you did that, you'd have to print out some sort of promissory note in order to like... | ||
| Have people have your currency. | ||
| That sounds very confusing, Dan. | ||
| It's chaos. | ||
| It was absolute chaos in terms of interstate commerce. | ||
| Because you'd have a situation where you're like, I've got a New York dollar here, and it's worth X in New York. | ||
| But if I go to Michigan, let's say, maybe they only accept it at a 70% rate. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Now your money is worth less in different places. | ||
| It's absolutely insane. | ||
| Also, who knows who honors what currency? | ||
| You might end up in a place where you got tons of bucks. | ||
| Like, I got tons of Tennessee bucks. | ||
| Are they going to be honored at every store in West Virginia? | ||
| Who fucking knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Oh, also, it was comically easy to counterfeit money. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Back then. | ||
| Because there's so many fucking currencies. | ||
| Look at a bouncer. | ||
| Indiana here in Illinois. | ||
| They look at it like, what is this? | ||
| Yeah, any fake is good out of state. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You can't possibly train people to be able to tell the, like, this is valid currency. | ||
| It's just complete madness. | ||
| So, of course, this... | ||
| The National Banking Act of 1863 happened in 1863, which was right in the middle of the Civil War. | ||
| So historical revisionists look back on the act as an attempt by Lincoln to centralize power and end states' rights, when in reality it was trying to save the entire country. | ||
| Trying to knock off some bullshit. | ||
| Interesting bit of trivia, though, Marty. | ||
| The Confederate states also printed money, and on their bills they weirdly featured pictures of slaves. | ||
| Which kind of hurts their argument that slavery was not an important piece of the secession. | ||
| Also, two U.S. presidents were featured on their money. | ||
| Two presidents who mysteriously the right wing and Alex Jones, it's their favorites, George Washington and Andrew Jackson, were on Confederate money. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Why did they put slaves on the money? | ||
| I think they, the pictures that I've seen made it look idyllic. | ||
| It made it look like slavery wasn't so bad. | ||
| Ah, okay. | ||
| Gave it sort of a Kanye West feel. | ||
| Yeah, Kanye West vibe. | ||
| Yeah, if you want to go that route. | ||
| Also, in terms of Bitcoin, Bitcoin has lost almost 50% of its value in the last five months. | ||
| Sell now, guys. | ||
| Also, that is after a 1,000% increase in value in the five months before that. | ||
| It's a completely inconsistent currency. | ||
| It is very dangerous. | ||
| And if you don't have money to lose, you should not be touching it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's all to say we've tried competing currencies before and it does not work. | ||
| There's even more evidence of this. | ||
| If you're Kane and Alex has you on his show and then he's just like, so, what do you want to talk about? | ||
| When you're going to be like, I don't know, man. | ||
| It's your show. | ||
| Why don't you fucking figure it out? | ||
| Why don't you give me some direction? | ||
| To be fair, Alex did give him seven topics and then just say, say something. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| But also, another thing with this monopoly of currency thing is the Federal Reserve system. | ||
| And, you know, the libertarians fucking hate that Federal Reserve shit. | ||
| But the thing that's interesting to think about is that the reason that the Federal Reserve exists is that between 1836 and 1913, we didn't have a central bank. | ||
| The second American bank's charter ended. | ||
| Until 1913, we didn't start up another one, which comes in the form of the Federal Reserve System, which isn't one bank. | ||
| It's 12 district banks that are run by a board. | ||
| Jewish bankers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's another fucking thing. | ||
| Not the Jewish part. | ||
| But all these Ron Paul types are like, we need to audit the Fed. | ||
| And they do audit them, just not as deeply as you might want. | ||
| It's not like they're not being audited at all. | ||
| Like, hey, there might be no money in there or something like that. | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| The reason that it started in 1913 is because we had major financial panics in 1873, which lasted a couple years, 1884, 1893, I think I juxtaposed a couple numbers there. | ||
| 1884, 1893, 1901, 1903, and there was a huge one in 1907. | ||
| Since 1913, we've only had truly three major financial panics in 100 years, as opposed to the six that we experienced in that 34-year span. | ||
| It has done incredibly well. | ||
| That's a good ratio. | ||
| In terms of stabilizing the effects that you have with, you know, hey, this money goes up, this money goes down. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| How are you going to protect people? | ||
| The Federal Reserve System has done a spectacular job. | ||
| Other complaints that you could make about it, some of them might be valid. | ||
| But in terms of protecting people and their assets, it's done a wonderful job. | ||
| That's like a Goldberg-esque winning percentage. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And now Alex is trying to come in with a cattle prod. | ||
| Anyway, so at this point, Cain is going to say a little bit more about Bitcoin. | ||
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| Nevertheless, I have some problems with Bitcoin myself that other people in the hard-minded camp have. | ||
| First of all, Money comes to the market and emerges on the market. | ||
| It isn't like someone just says, hey, this is money. | ||
| Let's start using it. | ||
| And I think that the reason that people are going into Bitcoin is exactly because of what it isn't. | ||
| It's not the dollar. | ||
| It's not the euro. | ||
| It's not the end. | ||
| Whereas if we look at something like precious metals, the gold and silver, yeah, we can argue they don't have intrinsic value from a theoretical economic perspective. | ||
| And that's true. | ||
| Nevertheless, they have a 6,000 year history of being money, of being desired for people, of being desired by people. | ||
| People want the precious metals because of what they are. | ||
| And I really feel that Bitcoin. | ||
| Like I said, that's great in the idea that it's a competing currency, but nevertheless, I don't think it's the competing currency that does have the ability to break this state's monopoly on the issuance of money. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Very well said. | ||
| Plus, they can use the unknown providence of this, they can use the takedown of Bitcoin to then demonize and taint the idea. | ||
| Of true, independent cryptocurrencies. | ||
| That's all I'm saying is, this may not have a happy ending, and I'm not in some cult just saying it's perfect, we've got to bow down to it. | ||
| We've got to have some concerns investing in anything, especially something brand new and speculative. | ||
| Other than gold. | ||
| Do we have any concerns about investing in anything other than gold? | ||
| Well, the gold rules. | ||
| Gold is pretty great. | ||
| We all know gold's great. | ||
| Sure, sure, Goldberg. | ||
| Again, we're back to that. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I think that they're trying to sort of dance around the issue that all cultures have valued precious metals, but not taking into account that a lot of them didn't have a monetary value for them. | ||
| They just valued them because they were shiny. | ||
| They were cool. | ||
| They looked good. | ||
| So you'd end up with cultures, I mean, even in fairly modern times, that would have gold that would just be like, it's a necklace. | ||
| I don't think this is valuable. | ||
| I just think it looks nice or whatever. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| You own gold? | ||
| No. | ||
| Tell me about your gold, bro. | ||
| I don't have any gold. | ||
| No gold? | ||
| No. | ||
| The way you look it off to the side makes me think you've got a lot. | ||
| You just don't want me to know. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| I've got some coins. | ||
| The idea of going back to the gold standard is really appealing to these people like Kane and Alex Jones, which is a weird grouping that I never thought we'd deal with. | ||
| Do you think there's some bit of a... | ||
| Doomsday prepper type of mentality roped in there? | ||
| No, they're victims of a... | ||
| Do they really think they could live in the society we live in and be like, how much is that? | ||
| Let me give you some gold. | ||
| They're victims of a centuries-long con, basically. | ||
| Some of it comes from the fact that in the early times, like in the late 1700s and early 1800s, the United States did print coin that was made out of actual gold. | ||
| And so there's sort of a belief, I think, on their parts that there would be some standardization of the gold being printed and made. | ||
| to coin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And that way it would be exchangeable in the same way that nickels and dimes were in the 1800s. | |
| I just assume gold bars. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, there are ways to integrate stuff. | ||
| You have Bitcoin ATMs around some places now, so that allows you to exchange your Bitcoin for cash, but you're still getting cash. | ||
| So it's still only a secondary way for you to get... | ||
| Do you have any Bitcoin? | ||
| No, fuck no. | ||
| Have you ever seen a Bitcoin? | ||
| I mean, they're not physical. | ||
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| Our friend Far Out, big shout out to Far Out, he has a little Bitcoin that someone gave him. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Someone gave it to him like a long time ago and now it's worth a bit. | ||
| So like that kind of thing is... | ||
| I mean, it's not... | ||
| He's not a millionaire. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| I'm kind of pissed off that I didn't buy when it was like 35 cents and just hold on to it and now... | ||
| Get out five months ago, and it was almost $20,000. | ||
| Yeah, there clearly were some people who made out great. | ||
| I think there were, yeah. | ||
| I was seeing a lot of... | ||
| I mean, based on the fact that it's dropped 50% since, I would have to assume there's a lot of people who cashed out. | ||
| This was when I was going to buy some WB stock when it was like $6 a share. | ||
| Now it's up to like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| Should I look into it? | ||
| Yeah, look it up. | ||
| Should I check on... | ||
| I wonder if it's gone up since... | ||
| It was like $30-something, but I think it might even be higher now. | ||
| Do you think the... | ||
| The Saudi Arabia show helped their stock? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| 40.87. | ||
| Okay, so yeah, it's up. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Over the last year. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Woo! | ||
| What? | ||
| It's doubled in about a year. | ||
| Well, they're announcing a new TV deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So everybody's very excited about that. | ||
| But that's still pretty nice. | ||
| A nice double on your investment over a year. | ||
| You think they're going to stay in USA? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| You think they're going to stay on USA? | ||
| I have no idea how to answer that question. | ||
| I understand what you're talking about, but I have no idea. | ||
| I have no insight into it. | ||
| I mean, what would they do? | ||
| Go to Fox? | ||
| They went that Fox is a possibility, ESPN is a possibility. | ||
| ESPN is not a possibility. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No way. | ||
| They're in play. | ||
| No way. | ||
| ESPN is in play. | ||
| ESPN is not in play. | ||
| They're in play. | ||
| I can't imagine that. | ||
| It would be ESPN like 4 or something like that. | ||
| I cannot believe... | ||
| The rumor is with Fox that Raw would go on... | ||
| Fox. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Not the cable channel. | ||
| Straight up Fox. | ||
| Straight up Fox. | ||
| So like your local Fox affiliate. | ||
| After Raw. | ||
| Coming up after Raw. | ||
| We've got the news. | ||
| Local news after Raw. | ||
| Local news after Raw. | ||
| You've got Michael Cole telling you to tune in for WGN's lineup. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So that's a possibility with SmackDown going to like FS1, which is like their sports channel that's never really taken off. | ||
| They left USA. | ||
| That would be pretty shitty to do to SmackDown. | ||
| You know, because you'd just be sort of leaving them in a lurch. | ||
| It's the B brand anyway. | ||
| They always treat them that way. | ||
| That's why they're just live now. | ||
| Years after it's been on for 20 years. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| But it wasn't the whole time, right? | ||
| Didn't it go away and come back? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's been on a long time. | ||
| But it's never been live. | ||
| The fact that I didn't know that means something. | ||
| But... | ||
| The fact that I thought it was just gone for maybe five, six years of that time. | ||
| They left for a little... | ||
| They were on Spike TV for a minute. | ||
| Well, they went to TNN. | ||
| Oh, the Nashville Network. | ||
| That became the National Network. | ||
| Then it became Spike TV. | ||
| Right, and then Spike Lee tried to get involved. | ||
| Spike Lee got very angry. | ||
| Stop using my name. | ||
| And the government was like, come on, Spike. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| But... | ||
| Copyright Spike. | ||
| When they decided to go back to the USA Network, they were having their last Raw. | ||
| This Raw was a shit show because they kept mentioning we'll be on USA and they kept... | ||
| So then Spike started beeping them out. | ||
| They're like, we're going to be on USA Network. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then they brought out Hacksaw Jim Duggan so everyone chanted USA. | ||
| That's great! | ||
| Yeah, they anticipated that. | ||
| They're like, how can we get a chance at USA a whole bunch? | ||
| Like, bring out Hacksaw. | ||
| That's strategic thinking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I respect the hell out of that. | ||
| So, and then they went back to the USA Network, and they've been there for a while. | ||
| They'll probably stay with USA, but who knows? | ||
| Seems like a long-standing relationship. | ||
| Well, they help each other, because they bring in big ratings, so USA can say they're the number one or one of the top cable channels. | ||
| That's what the... | ||
| A lot of USA content is not great. | ||
| Well, there's those shows that I assume... | ||
| I can't imagine people watch, but they do. | ||
| People are like, oh, Suits. | ||
| I love Suits. | ||
| Just because that lady married the prince doesn't mean the show is good. | ||
| Or Monk was a big hit back in the day. | ||
| Monk was huge. | ||
| Monk was huge. | ||
| Suits. | ||
| You just said Suits. | ||
| Oh, Suits. | ||
| I can't think of any other dumb shows. | ||
| Monk, Suits. | ||
| Mr. Robot. | ||
| Psyche? | ||
| Psyche. | ||
| Psyche was on USA, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Burn Notice. | ||
| Burn Notice. | ||
| That was a big... | ||
| Burn Notice was a big hit. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| I've never seen any of these. | ||
| I've seen A Couple Monks and A Couple Psyche. | ||
| That's exactly what I'm talking about. | ||
| I can name shows, but I have no fucking idea what they are. | ||
| That's what USA is full of. | ||
| USA, instead of Characters Welcome, which I don't think there's their slogan anymore. | ||
| What was that show where Breckenmeyer was a doctor? | ||
| Something like... | ||
| Not Doc Hollywood. | ||
| That was a Michael J. Fox movie. | ||
| But it was something like that, where he was like a Hollywood doctor. | ||
| Something like that, yeah. | ||
| Royal Pains. | ||
| Royal Pains. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| Probably wasn't it, but it might be another show. | ||
| I think it was the guy from Road Trip. | ||
| Paulo Costanzo. | ||
| What? | ||
|
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Is that who it is? | |
| He was the stoner from Road Trip. | ||
| He was the guy who equated everything to wrestling at the end when he helped explain. | ||
| To Breckenmire, what the Royal Rump, like... | ||
| Because he was really high all the time in wrestling. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| He was the guy who wasn't DJ Qualls and wasn't Tom Green. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Paulo Costanzo. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Also star of Josie and the Pussycats. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Star is really putting it strongly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fifth banana in... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Josie and the Pussycats. | ||
| Was that right up your alley? | ||
| God, I loved it so much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great soundtrack. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Who was the actual band? | ||
| I think we've talked about this before. | ||
| I think, as I recall, Biff Naked was involved. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| But I don't know if she did all of the music. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I don't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You watch that video for Three Small Words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the big single from the soundtrack. | ||
| And what you walk away with is, like, these... | ||
| Like, Tara Reid is not good at pretending to play drums. | ||
|
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No. | |
| There's no way they played their own instruments. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Was it Rachel? | ||
| Rachel Lee Cook. | ||
| Rachel Lee Cook. | ||
| Rosario Dawson. | ||
| I think Rachel Lee Cook is in some new big independent movies. | ||
| Thrilled for her. | ||
| She was always better than her career deserved back then. | ||
| Really, she was. | ||
| She got pigeonholed with that movie where she takes off her glasses and then she's hot. | ||
| She's all that. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| I think that Josie and the Pussycats is a great satire. | ||
| It's pretty funny. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| Did they have fun with the source material? | ||
| It's sharp. | ||
| Okay, I like that. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| It is interesting. | ||
| I felt like there were those kind of movies. | ||
| Oh, they're making of that movie. | ||
| I think this was a thing about the 90s, the late 90s. | ||
| This one might have been 2000. | ||
| Okay, that end of the 90s going into 2000. | ||
| It feels pre-911, though. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| I had a long road trip the other week, and I just was, you know, 9-11 just ruined everything. | ||
| I hate to sound old, but it was just a simpler time before 9-11. | ||
| Josie and the Pussycats came out. | ||
| They were talking about a sequel. | ||
| You got your Josie and the Pussycats, and there were those kind of movies, because this one they were doing, like, Scooby-Doo. | ||
| Yeah, that was a mess. | ||
| Josie and the Pussycats. | ||
| And every once in a while, they would take... | ||
| But even fucking ten years earlier, they did Mario. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Mario Brothers, and that was a disaster. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Johnny Legs. | ||
| But then every once in a while, they would do one of those, and they would make it real weird, and you're like, oh, this is just like... | ||
| It happens to be Josie and the Pussycats, but he made it look a real weird... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the whole plot of it was about creating a band, right? | ||
| And how pointless the people in the band and disposable they are, and how abusive the music industry is to the people inside it. | ||
| There's a lot of really subversive themes in it. | ||
| Whereas Mario Brothers, not a chance. | ||
| Scooby-Doo, not a chance. | ||
| No. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| We're a bit off track, and I don't remember where we were. | ||
| Cryptocurrency. | ||
| Maybe gold? | ||
| I think we were talking about gold a little. | ||
| Yeah, boy, I'd love to know how we got off on that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, we went to the USA Network somehow, and then we got into the shows. | ||
| Did we? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That can't possibly be. | ||
| Yeah, remember? | ||
| I was talking about how they were going to leave the USA Network or something. | ||
| The last thing I remember us talking about in terms of Alex's stuff is that they made... | ||
| Gold and silver coins. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I thought we were back on freezing point. | ||
| I've got to be honest, I forgot all about Alex Jones in that whole rundown. | ||
| This is one of those things, like, I know we've got to get through this episode, but it feels like work. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So... | ||
| In the 17 and 1800s. | ||
| I don't want to teach you a class. | ||
| I don't want to cut you off here. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I was wondering your thoughts on this. | ||
| You know how Kevin Smith had a heart attack and almost died, right? | ||
| Did you hear his story about that or anything? | ||
| No, but I saw a tweet about it and I felt sympathetic. | ||
| I lost track of Kevin Smith in the last, I would say, five years probably. | ||
| I used to listen to his podcast a bit. | ||
| But then I just kind of got... | ||
| I like Scott Mosher a lot and all, but I can't listen to them hypothetically talk about sucking dicks while they're really high. | ||
| I can't do it anymore. | ||
| I have to walk away. | ||
| And it's that hip slang of that, like, hey man, if you've got to suck a cat's dick, save the world. | ||
| You've got to suck a cat's dick. | ||
| In the parlance of our times, you've got to suck a dick. | ||
| But he's an interesting guy in the sense of his career fascinates me and how he sort of Figured it out or whatever. | ||
| But anyway, I listened to his podcast about his heart attack. | ||
| And when he was on the operating room table and he was kind of like going under, he was thinking of the Degrassi theme song. | ||
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Oh! | |
| I thought about you. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's kind of beautiful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He told the doctor, he goes, Doc, you have to save my life. | ||
| And the doctor just goes, I'll see what I can do. | ||
| And then put him under. | ||
| And then he's like, whatever it takes, I know I can make it. | ||
| I mean, it's a very inspirational song. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some people have lamented the end of the Degrassi breakdowns. | ||
| You know, what are you going to do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You get to a certain point. | ||
| You get to about 34 years of age and you're like, I can't talk about tween drama anymore. | ||
| This show is... | ||
| Is there a new current Degrassi going on? | ||
| There is. | ||
| I haven't watched any of that. | ||
| What channel? | ||
| Netflix. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's great. | ||
| Netflix original, I believe. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Yeah, I know some people who watched it, and they were sticking with the heavy issues. | ||
| I'm sure it's good. | ||
| I'm sure it's a positive thing for the youth of our day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I just... | ||
| I can only talk about it for about 200 hours or so, and then I gotta check out. | ||
| Do you think Paige is like, whatever happened to that guy? | ||
| I went on his podcast to talk about Degrassi. | ||
| I just saw that she got engaged recently. | ||
| Congratulations, Lauren Collins. | ||
| Good job, Lauren. | ||
| Still the weirdest thing that's happened in my life, probably, is getting to talk to Paige from Degrassi. | ||
| I don't know anybody who knows Alex to get him on the podcast. | ||
| No wrestlers? | ||
| I don't know any wrestlers or child actors from Canada. | ||
| But I've also been very public about this. | ||
| I don't want to talk to him. | ||
| No, I know, I know. | ||
| We're going to Austin in June. | ||
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I know. | |
| I'm dreading the idea of him showing up. | ||
| We say don't at the wrestlers on the tweets. | ||
| Like, if you're just like, hey, at so-and-so, they were talking about you on this and joked around about what it would be like if you dated this person. | ||
| It's like, don't do that. | ||
| We want that world completely separated. | ||
| And it's the same thing with Alex, where it's just like, what if you just meet him and he's like, hey, man, it's all just a fucking scam anyway. | ||
| He wouldn't tell me that for sure. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| Unless I get super famous and then he wants to impress me or something, then maybe. | ||
| Like, if we could find, maybe talk to like... | ||
| Billy Corgan or something. | ||
| He'd be like, I know, Alex. | ||
| He said it's all just a charade. | ||
| Man, I don't know. | ||
| Is Billy Corgan... | ||
| He seems like he loves Alex, you know? | ||
| He really does. | ||
| He's been on a lot. | ||
| Yeah, he really does. | ||
| And I think he can really just let his guard down with Alex. | ||
| And Alex is smart. | ||
| Alex is a very smart celebrity interviewer. | ||
| Shrewd. | ||
| Because he really pumps up the celebs. | ||
| And I think he makes Billy feel like it's, you know, 97. Oh, yeah. | ||
| He makes Billy feel like it's like, you're the king? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I'm so lucky to have you here. | ||
| Although, but that's what we call star fuckery. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's what we call being, like, manipulative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he does that with just about anybody. | ||
| And he dangles that carrot about being with a lizard person sexually, and they morphed in front of him, and Alex is like, oh, fuck yeah. | ||
| Wait, does he get into that? | ||
| He won't. | ||
| He says when he writes a book, he'll talk about it, because it's apparently a famous person. | ||
| Who's a lizard person who morphed in front of... | ||
| Yeah, during sex. | ||
| He told Rogan that also. | ||
| I have people... | ||
| I've got to watch this, Rogan. | ||
| The Rogan Billy Corgan. | ||
| I will say this, because I like to make fun of Billy Corgan on our podcast, so I like to do research. | ||
| He gets a lot of shit talk. | ||
| He gets a lot of play on our podcast. | ||
| But when he talks about the music industry... | ||
| It's very fascinating. | ||
| I think very spot on. | ||
| He's clearly a bit of a wounded... | ||
| He's got a wounded psyche, I think he feels... | ||
| I think he wanted to be the guy, and because of the time that he came out, he was never the guy. | ||
| Yeah, he was never the guy, because he just happened to be in the same class with a lot of... | ||
| Like Nirvana. | ||
| With very popular people. | ||
| He's the Pippin, but if Pippin was super bitter. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because you can't be Jordan. | ||
| Yeah, you can't. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| He still won't quite let go that, like, it's cool. | ||
| It was cool to be Pippin. | ||
| He still can't quite, you know, like, he still, like, there's ways where he claims or, like, he'll say, like, you know, we did, you know, we put out this double album. | ||
| Nobody else would have done this and all this stuff. | ||
| And it's just, like, it's interesting. | ||
| He clearly has, like... | ||
| When did Wu-Tang Forever come out? | ||
| Because that was a double album. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| It was in the 90s. | ||
| Yeah, but I think, like, I think there definitely is that, like... | ||
| In both cases. | ||
| Could have been a single album. | ||
| Could have trimmed some of that fat. | ||
| Could have been a real banger of a single album. | ||
| But, you know, there's that thing. | ||
| And I think Alex kind of brings him back to, like, being worshipped. | ||
| You were the king. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I mean... | ||
| But Billy has some very interesting thoughts about the music business and celebrity in general. | ||
| I think everybody has something to say. | ||
| Like, you could get a lunatic to talk to you. | ||
| And, like, if you talk to them long enough, they'd probably have some interesting insight into... | ||
| One thing. | ||
| Broken clocks right twice a day, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| I don't know how to jump back into this. | ||
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All right. | |
| We got to. | ||
| That's Kane. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| What's the next topic after the Bitcoin thing? | ||
| I mean, he was just talking about how it's like we should get more into gold. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And bringing back the gold standard is really popular among them. | ||
| I don't know if this is what we're talking about, but I'm just going to talk about it. | ||
| Oh, didn't we hear... | ||
| I think I know what we're doing. | ||
| We got into this because I said, do you think these guys are all like doomsday? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I don't think they are. | ||
| They've been conned. | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| Oh, and the Jeff Jarrett. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Jeff Jarrett sells gold. | ||
| We found it. | ||
| It was five years ago. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It was five years ago. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| That's the path it went down. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So the problem with making coins out of real precious metals is that the price and the value of those metals fluctuate wildly. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Last year's dime, it has X amount of silver in it. | ||
| When the value of silver goes up or down in the next year, you have to make dimes that adjust to the silver content. | ||
| You have to either make them with less silver or more silver in them in order to keep the price consistent or value of that dime, or you have to just assume that last year's dime is worth more than this year's dime and then just assume that the dime itself doesn't really have a value attached to it. | ||
| And then also, won't these kind of more hoarder-ish gold people be like, well, you're not taking my gold to make coins? | ||
| That wasn't so much of a problem back then, and I'll explain why here in a second. | ||
| That is going to come into it a little bit. | ||
| But before we get to that, a further problem. | ||
| Is exemplified by what happened in the late 1800s when huge silver veins were found in the western United States. | ||
| What happens in a situation like that is the supply of silver goes up massively and the price goes down drastically. | ||
| The only way to avert these sorts of events would be to artificially manipulate the public perception of the silver supply, which at its core is exactly what the Federal Reserve does with restricting or expanding the money supply in terms of dollars. | ||
| to justify and rationalize these things. | ||
| Otherwise, all of your money is going to become valueless if some random occurrence happens, especially with precious metals. | ||
| So to the hoarding question, one of the reasons that really rich people loved the system that was in place with the gold and silver standard that we had, we had the bimetallic standard for a long time, and then that gave way to the gold standard. | ||
| The reason they loved it was because things like the Bland-Allison Act, which was passed in 1878, required the government to buy between $2 and $4 million in silver at market prices It was basically, literally, a government subsidy of... | ||
| People who owned a lot of gold and silver. | ||
| So they had an automatic purchase every year in order to subsidize their businesses. | ||
| So for that, that is one of the biggest reasons that really rich people pushed for keeping those systems in place because they made a fucking ton of money off this scam on it. | ||
| And that continues to this day to some extent. | ||
| Or at least that mentality. | ||
| Not the, they need to buy all this to make coin anymore because we've got like nickel. | ||
| And useless metals in our coins and shit. | ||
| So FDR is largely credited and blamed for ending the gold standard, but in reality it was Richard Nixon who ended the convertibility of gold to cash in 1971. | ||
| Before that there was still not necessarily a strict tying of gold to dollars or anything like that. | ||
| It had been diffused by FDR, but if anyone wants to point a finger at anybody, About gold stuff. | ||
| Should probably point at Nixon. | ||
| Among other things to point at him. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot. | ||
| But it never seems to get blamed for much with these folks. | ||
| Anyway, that was some information. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I feel like any time... | ||
| I'm breaking this information out and it's... | ||
| It ruins our flow. | ||
| It ruins the fluidity of just rambling about other stuff. | ||
| Kevin Smith and Billy Corgan. | ||
| And Degrassi Themes and Josie and the Pussycats. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Well, let's jump back in, see about Cain. | ||
| He wants to talk more about Bitcoin. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That is the problem with Bitcoin from a more macro level. | ||
| If we're introducing the idea of competing currencies, and then one of these competing currencies ends up in a bubble... | ||
| Ends up with a lot of people putting a lot of money into it. | ||
| Like I heard recently that, you know, folks were saying that Bitcoin could go to $100,000 a coin or even a million dollars a coin. | ||
| People are going to start getting into this thing because, wow, it's starting to shoot up in value. | ||
| I need to get into it before the train leaves the station. | ||
| And then all of a sudden the thing crashes. | ||
| Then the statists are going to say, see, we told you, money is way too important for the market to handle. | ||
| Only the government should be handling money. | ||
| And it will, as you say, demonize the entire idea of competing currencies. | ||
| History demonizes the idea of competing currencies. | ||
| But I'm fascinated, because in that clip, Cain is totally right and totally wrong at the same time about what would happen with Bitcoin. | ||
| Because since 2013, you saw that, like... | ||
| Train leaving the station, maybe. | ||
| You saw that, and then it went up to $19,000 per coin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And at that point, people were like, holy shit, this massive... | ||
| Money for nothing. | ||
| Quick increase. | ||
| I gotta get rich. | ||
| Yeah, and so people got into it. | ||
| It got fairly speculative, and then, of course, the bottom fell out, and now we're at about $9,000 a coin. | ||
| It's exactly what happened, but it wasn't because people demonized it or there's some sort of nefarious conspiracy against it. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's an unstable... | ||
| With a guy like Cain, with his beliefs, what sort of rude awakenings do you think await him when he gets the keys to the office and he's in charge? | ||
| Oh, you're talking about him being the mayor? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or the governor? | ||
| Mayor? | ||
| No, not governor. | ||
| I think it's mayor. | ||
| Well, he only won by 17 votes, apparently. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But for the Republican nomination. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And the Democrat who won got 4,000. | ||
| He got like 37,000 votes and so did the other guy. | ||
| So he's going to crush. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, but maybe the Democratic primary wasn't all that interesting. | ||
| Maybe... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| You think it's a shoo-in once he's won the... | ||
| But he's still only won by 17. It's a squash match. | ||
| It's a squash match. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's a jobber. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Jobber Democrat. | ||
| But they got... | ||
| Way more votes. | ||
| But there's still a chance that the opponent in the GOP primary... | ||
| Well, Soros could get involved. | ||
| But 17 votes is such a slim margin. | ||
| There's got to be... | ||
| Not a recount, necessarily. | ||
| Well, they're talking about a recount. | ||
| They've got to look at it. | ||
| There's some number of votes that still haven't been counted or something. | ||
| There was one that had to be... | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| But I mean, it'd be interesting to see... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, I mean, Ventura talks about when he became... | ||
| Well, I mean, he was mayor first and then governor. | ||
| Just start rocking like Jesse for the people watching. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He talks about some of the rude awakenings that he had. | ||
| No pun intended, Vic Rude. | ||
| I think a lot of that does lead to rationality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because when Jesse Ventura comes on Alex's show, there's so many times that Alex wants to talk about real bizarre libertarian ideas. | ||
| Closing the border and stuff like that. | ||
| Jesse brings him down to earth. | ||
| You have to realize the reality of... | ||
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| Like when Alex talks about... | ||
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I see how the food is made in the kitchen, Alex. | |
| He talks about taxes and shit. | ||
| You understand, I was in there. | ||
| I did all that. | ||
| I think if Kane were to get in... | ||
| You mean he doesn't just have fake government employees giving Alex the scoop? | ||
| No, apparently not. | ||
| I don't know what responsibilities a mayor has, though, in terms of big picture stuff. | ||
| So he might not have a come-to-Jesus moment, but he might have a come-to-St. | ||
| Francis. | ||
| That's sort of how it is. | ||
| Oh, that's how it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He might have to realize how difficult it is to cooperate and stuff like that. | ||
| You can't have these hard-line, stupid libertarian beliefs. | ||
| That would have been a fun character on Parks and Rec, like the libertarian. | ||
| I mean, I know Ron Swanson was, but it would be kind of funny to have some guy who's just like a nutball who people are like, fuck yeah, let's give this a try. | ||
| And then he gets in and it's like, oh, I can't do any of this stuff I wanted to do. | ||
| So this is the reason why getting along wouldn't work. | ||
| I'm going to read to you another thing from the Von Meese Institute, which is actually called the Meese Institute. | ||
| Alex has the name wrong and it's going to make me have the name wrong a bunch. | ||
| This is about blackmail. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What exactly is blackmail? | ||
| Blackmail is the offer of trade. | ||
| It's the offer to trade something, usually silence, for some other good, usually money. | ||
| If the offer of the trade is accepted, the blackmailer maintains his silence, and the blackmailed pays the agreed upon price. | ||
| If the blackmail offer is rejected, the blackmailer may exercise his rights of free speech and publicize the secret. | ||
| There's nothing amiss here. | ||
| All that is happening is that an offer to maintain silence is being made. | ||
| If the offer is rejected, the blackmailer does no more than exercise his right of free speech. | ||
| They're fine with blackmail. | ||
| The mugger is offering a possibility to keep your life if you give them money. | ||
| Money you could make more of later down the road. | ||
| If you decide not to give the mugger money... | ||
| That's your choice, but you can also get murdered. | ||
| Well, see, here's the problem with that. | ||
| Libertarians believe that the worst thing you can possibly do to anybody is threaten violence. | ||
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| So, like, the mugging example wouldn't work. | ||
| But I would argue that this is also threatening violence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's emotional violence. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And also, hey, guess what, ding-dongs? | ||
| A bunch of blackmail is based on not true things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This makes me want to blackmail them. | ||
| It's based on, like, smears and stuff like that usually. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Or it's based on information that you... | ||
| You got through really fucked up means. | ||
| Maybe you hacked somebody. | ||
| There's pseudo-legal ways that you can get secret information about people and then use it to blackmail them. | ||
| Yeah, people who are blackmailers probably usually come across that information in some nefarious means. | ||
| We just heard Kevin Hart, someone was shopping on a sex tape and he just found out it was one of his close friends. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean... | ||
| He has the right to sell his silence. | ||
| Yes, and if he chooses to not do that, then that's just something he'll have to deal with. | ||
| See, this is what I want to get to, really, specifically, is that libertarians like to trot around, and Cain is even going to say as much, and just say, like, you know what? | ||
| How can anybody disagree with us? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| All we really want is the most freedom for everybody. | ||
| On paper, and I remember hearing about this in like a college course of like, what's a libertarian? | ||
| And it's just like, do whatever you want. | ||
| Just don't bother me, man. | ||
| As long as you're not hurting anybody. | ||
| I guess I'm a libertarian. | ||
| Yeah, it sounds hippy-dippy and kind of cool. | ||
| It sounds wonderful. | ||
| Yeah, it's great, except that the problem is when you really get down to what the beliefs are with a lot of the libertarian community, and again, I don't want to paint with a broad brush. | ||
| It's not a homogenous group or anything, but a large, large portion of the libertarian community is super fucked up. | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's very sexy to those people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like, oh, what? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not a Democrat or Republican. | ||
| I'm a libertarian. | ||
| And a lot of it comes down to, like, making bizarre rationalizations to retain your wealth and making bizarre arguments as to why you can be an asshole to people. | ||
| Like, hey, I'll give you an argument why you shouldn't blackmail people. | ||
| It's a fucking dick move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're treading on people. | ||
| So here, I'm going to read one more real quick just to really bring this fucking home. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here is one of their beliefs about parenting. | ||
| Quote, A parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children. | ||
| As such, obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. | ||
| The parent, therefore, may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so, but the parent should have the legal right not to feed the children, i.e., to allow it to die. | ||
| The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child to keep it alive. | ||
| This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as, should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die, e.g. | ||
| by not feeding it? | ||
| The answer, of course, is yes, following from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not, to die. | ||
| Though, as we shall see below, in a libertarian society, the existence of a free baby market will bring such neglect down to a minimum. | ||
| They believe you should just be able to fucking sell your kids. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You want to buy my kids? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| All right, why not? | ||
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Free market. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I have a baby. | ||
| I don't want it. | ||
| You want a baby. | ||
| You have money. | ||
| I want that. | ||
| What's the problem? | ||
| Why are you getting in the way of commerce? | ||
| I feel like libertarians are... | ||
| But also, no! | ||
| We're not even talking about the idea that they're saying it's burdening you with a responsibility that you have to feed and clothe your child. | ||
| I feel like libertarians are kind of like sociopaths who just want to get rich. | ||
| Or be comfortable at least. | ||
| They have no heart, so it's just like the... | ||
| Yeah, I don't think Scrooge was wrong at all. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I've got this kid. | ||
| I don't want to clothe it. | ||
| Do you want to buy my kid? | ||
| Yeah, you can have my kid. | ||
| I should not feel responsible for this thing. | ||
| I can't see these people being good partners in a relationship. | ||
| Jesus, I can't even imagine. | ||
| Could you imagine? | ||
| But the thing that it comes down to, I think so often, is that it is being a monstrous sociopath. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at the same time, what you constantly hear from these assholes... | ||
| Is that, like, even in the blackmailing example later in that article, it's like, is there a moral responsibility not to do this? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| They're bad. | ||
| They're not cool dudes. | ||
| And again, in the parenting one, that consideration is brought up, too. | ||
| It's a prime example. | ||
| Why would you recognize, in your defense of not feeding kids, that it's probably deeply immoral? | ||
| It's so weird, too, that, like, that... | ||
| Or the Scrooge example. | ||
| Or the blackmail example. | ||
| It's like, why are you taking those? | ||
| Why are those your examples? | ||
| Well, I think that libertarians also are contrarian by nature to a certain extent. | ||
| And so, like, a lot of the positions you'll see them take are just intentionally... | ||
| You know how Drew Michael does comedy? | ||
| Yeah, he reverse engineers stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's kind of the same thing with them, but with politics. | ||
| That's how I think of, like, an Anthony... | ||
| Also, also... | ||
| Libertarians like to say the N-word on stage. | ||
| Anthony Jeselnik will be like, I just write down all the offensive stuff and then I just write jokes for those or whatever. | ||
| And I think, too, I think it's a lot of stuff where, yeah, I think it's a little, the shock and the contrarian and the like, oh, you don't like that? | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| I'm going to show you why it is okay to blackmail people or sell your kids. | ||
| It's pretty remarkable in comedy. | ||
| Because all you're trying to do is make people laugh and think a little bit. | ||
| This is advocating policy. | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| They also think that drunk driving should be legal. | ||
| It should just be legal. | ||
| Because, hey, man. | ||
| Hold on, I'm listening. | ||
| No, I'm kidding. | ||
| We do live in Chicago. | ||
| Hold on, I'm listening. | ||
| No. | ||
| The argument is that being drunk isn't the crime. | ||
| The crime is that you killed someone. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, of course they say that. | ||
| So if you get home without hurting anybody, no harm, no foul. | ||
| Right, but that already works. | ||
| Even with it being illegal, you're never going to get pulled over unless your car isn't broken or you don't swerve. | ||
| Sure, that's one of those fun ways of people are like, I'm not paying taxes and here's why. | ||
| It's kind of the same, like I'm driving drunk and here's why. | ||
| Oh, those are the same people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Crazy cabbie from the Howard Stern show. | ||
| Yeah, he's probably a deep libertarian. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild, man. | ||
| I do respect on some level... | ||
| I respect the hustle in a way. | ||
| That's what I was going to say. | ||
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| I get it. | ||
| I think they have some great marketing going on. | ||
| When you really peel back the layers, though, and I think we're going to do a much longer... | ||
| Less Josie and the Pussycats involved episode about this, but when you peel back the layers, so much of it really boils down to trying to make rationalizations for states to secede from the Union. | ||
| It comes down to trying to break up the United States on some level. | ||
| All of these arguments. | ||
| What I want for a lot of these guys is like, okay, show me your utopia. | ||
| Take me through a day in the life of your perfect society. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't know what it would be like. | ||
| Well, a poor person slept on my property, and then when he woke up, he tried to ask for some bread, so I shot him, because that's my God-given right to defend my property. | ||
| He was inconveniencing me. | ||
| Then his family came over a little bit later in the day, and we were pissed off that I killed him and buried him in a shallow grave, and I said, hey, okay, well, what are you going to do about it? | ||
| What's the recourse? | ||
| So we went to the local court, which I have... | ||
| Deep alliances with, and they tried to sue me in that local court, and they found in my favor, and then they had their own court that they wanted me to go to, and I said, absolutely not, because my court is stronger than their court. | ||
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And, you know, I have a lot of money, and it's fine. | |
| I ended up giving them five Dan dollars and told them, be on your way. | ||
| Dan dollars, incidentally, not redeemable anywhere else. | ||
| Not redeemable anywhere else. | ||
| But if you give them to me, I will give you gold? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| That's just weird. | ||
| It's a very bizarre... | ||
| Also, I've got this son. | ||
| I'm not real fond of him. | ||
| If you want to buy him, you can. | ||
| I sold six kids already. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My wife is pissed. | ||
| Even the utopia version of this presumption that sounds good, like more freedom for everybody, that presumption, even taken to what their version of more freedom is, the way there sucks, and even when you get there, it sucks. | ||
| I feel like they just want to live alone. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| On a mountain. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| They don't want to be bothered. | ||
| It comes down to an idea largely called Christian Reconstruction, basically. | ||
| They want to recreate the United States as a Christian nation where they don't have to deal with gays. | ||
| They don't want to have to deal with black people. | ||
| Is there a gay libertarian party? | ||
| It's not a party. | ||
| It's a party I want to go to. | ||
| I'll tell you that much right now. | ||
| It's a party I will not RSVP to. | ||
| I don't think there's a strong gay libertarian faction, but I bet there are some. | ||
| What's the log cabin Lincolns? | ||
| The log cabin Republicans? | ||
| Republicans. | ||
| Yeah, there's the gay Republicans. | ||
| That's a great Nas song. | ||
| I'm a gay Republican. | ||
| But I mean, look at Kanye just the other day was talking about slavery as a choice. | ||
| Mine was a reference to Nas as black Republican. | ||
| You ever heard of NASA's Black Republican? | ||
| I have not, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just about how, like, man, I got all this money, I might as well be a Republican now. | ||
| If it wasn't on Illmatic, then I'm not listening. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| Also, he has a new album coming out with Kanye West, which might be part of... | ||
| Kanye West's media blitz. | ||
| Did you hear that new Kanye song? | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| Saw some tweets about it. | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| Someone played it at a show. | ||
| I'm like, that's just crazy. | ||
| I'm largely emotionally checked out of all of this stuff that's going on because I'm pretty convinced that Kanye is trolling everybody. | ||
| Yeah, it's pro wrestling. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| He's doing sort of a large-scale think piece in some ways. | ||
| But the unfortunate consequence of it is that... | ||
| The world we live in right now, it's way too dangerous to do stuff like that. | ||
| Like when Andy Kaufman was doing his elaborate stunts. | ||
| When Eminem wrote Stan, it was okay. | ||
| Now you can't write a Stan nowadays because you're going to create more Stans. | ||
| I would argue fine to write the song, not fine to... | ||
| Stir the pot like this. | ||
| And I'm not saying that that's what he's doing, because there's a decent chance that my assessment is wrong, and he's not just fucking with everybody. | ||
| But when you have militant, angry, white nationalist forces at play, and you, for effect, pretend to be on their side, A real problem. | ||
| There are ripples to it that you can't account for. | ||
| You can't predict the... | ||
| In the same way you put a little bit of silver in a dime today and who knows what it's worth tomorrow. | ||
| You retweet conservative propagandists and say like... | ||
| This is great stuff. | ||
| Who knows what that's going to be worth tomorrow? | ||
| The effects of it can be very fucked up. | ||
| I think there's an outside chance that he would go on InfoWars. | ||
| But I don't think he would understand. | ||
| If this is, like you said, an elaborate think piece, InfoWars is perfect. | ||
| But I don't think he understands what the ramifications of that would be. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| In the same way that I don't think that most people Who know about Alex, understand what he's really about. | ||
| There might be a lot of people who are like, what show did you just do? | ||
| Like, oh, I did this Alex Jones Infowar guy. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And then they tell, like, I bet there's a lot of, like, they don't get a lot of return business there at Infowars. | ||
| When it's like, wait, what did I do? | ||
| Like, you're just like, put me on every show. | ||
| I want to market my book or whatever. | ||
| And they're like, perfect, we got you on this Infowars. | ||
| Well, spoiler alert, I don't think Kane ever came back. | ||
| Cain didn't come around this time of year? | ||
| I think he might have gotten the message that you shouldn't have done that. | ||
| Vince was like, what? | ||
| I'm going to talk to you, pal. | ||
| This is bad for business. | ||
| This is not what's best for business. | ||
| So at this point in the show, we get into, of course, every libertarian, and Alex and Cain are no different. | ||
| Taxes! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Guns! | ||
| Guns! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And again, if you just joined us, Glenn Jacobs, known as Cain, one of the top wrestlers in the world, is here. | ||
| And he is talking about being free. | ||
| And it's so asinine to claim that government can keep us safe. | ||
| And we knew that they would start moving out of the airports, onto the roads, into the malls and the sports stadiums. | ||
| The idea that the feds have to be everywhere where a bad person might try to hurt you while they try to keep the individual from being armed to protect ourselves, that is obviously the real answer to terrorism or crime. | ||
| First of all, I would argue that you take the sports stadiums out of there and the Transportation Safety Administration has a reason to be on roads. | ||
| Yeah, they might. | ||
| It's transportation. | ||
| But then the other thing that he's saying there at the end there, Alex is saying, it's like when the reality is that we've got to have guns in everyone's hands in order to be safe. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Stanford law professor John Donahue studied decades worth of crime data and what he found was that states that enact right-to-carry laws show an increase of 13 to 15 percent in violent crime rates in the 10 years after the inaction of those laws. | ||
| To quote Donahue, quote, there is not even the slightest hint in the data that the right-to-carry laws reduce overall violent crime. | ||
| Also, in 2013, a study by the National Crime Victimization Survey found that 99.2% of violent attacks in the United States, no gun is used in self-defense or any defense, like another person. | ||
| 0.8% of violent attacks in any way involve a defensive gun. | ||
| Now you have a 13% to 15% increase in violent crime in places where people are allowed to carry guns. | ||
| With a right to carry laws. | ||
| You start to see a picture where, no, everyone having guns is more fucking dangerous. | ||
| John Donahue, the guy who wrote that study, he had a really good analogy that he made, and it's like, allowing everyone to have guns is sort of similar to you saying, I want to get a brain scan every week to make sure that my brain is healthy. | ||
| And it's like, well, yes, you will detect whatever tumor might be there, but you're going to get radiation poisoning. | ||
| From that. | ||
| So it's that same sort of thing. | ||
| It's like you're not taking into account all of the factors that are there. | ||
| So Alex, in his head, imagines a scenario where he gets mugged. | ||
| He pulls out a gun. | ||
| If you go on Alex's website, if you go on Infowars, scroll down a little bit, it's always going to be the story of the guy who was at the convenience store when it was getting robbed and he pulled out his gun and shot the guy. | ||
| They celebrate those stories. | ||
| They love those stories. | ||
| They're still celebrating the one that happened eight years ago. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's either the, hey, these refugees gang-raped this woman in front of her family, or it's the, hey, this hero was at a McDonald's that was bit and held up, and he took his gun out and took out the robber. | ||
| Suspiciously not talking at all about this guy from the Waffle House. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Because he didn't use a gun to help everybody. | ||
| No, I'm surprised they haven't called it a false flag or anything. | ||
| Also not talking about how he had that fundraiser and gave all the money to the victims. | ||
| Also not talking about how the guys who got arrested at Starbucks agreed to a $1 settlement from the city with a promise for money for small business owners, entrepreneurs. | ||
| It's complete bullshit. | ||
| All of the things that you seem to believe in are being better done by everybody else. | ||
| All you have is your bigotry. | ||
| All you have. | ||
| You showed a couple episodes back that he was for the... | ||
| People getting shot by cops. | ||
| He was in support of the victims. | ||
| And it was just like, oh, Alex, you used to be on somewhat of the right side of history. | ||
| Well, we were a little too fair, I think. | ||
| I've been listening to a bit more of 2009. | ||
| Yeah, well, just in that instance. | ||
| We were too nice. | ||
| Just in that instance. | ||
| So yeah, guns aren't great. | ||
| I'm going to skip around on these clips. | ||
| Is Kane a big gun guy? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, in as much as he agrees with Alex's statements, yeah. | ||
| He doesn't actually talk on his own accord about guns at all. | ||
| He seems to be more into money. | ||
| Kane's been in airports every week of his life multiple times. | ||
| Kane's been on more flights than any of us all listening together combined. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It would have been interesting to sort of get his point of view. | ||
| He doesn't like the TSA much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But where is that clip? | ||
| That would have been interesting. | ||
| The clip's got to be somewhere. | ||
| Do you realize how many flights Kane's been on in his life? | ||
| But, I mean, I bet he drives a bit, too. | ||
| Because sometimes the shows are pretty close to each other. | ||
| But they fly to those places, then drive to the shows. | ||
| That dude's on a flight every week. | ||
| He's on a plane every week. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's a lot of people who travel around. | ||
| Jet setters. | ||
| Not like Cain. | ||
| CEOs. | ||
| Not like Cain. | ||
| Over 20 years. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And as big as he is, sitting in those seats. | ||
| God, it'd be so uncomfortable. | ||
| Good Lord. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He talks about the... | ||
| I didn't include this clip because it's long and meandering, but all he really says is that the idea of the TSA at the airports is a violation of the Fourth Amendment and that it's unreasonable. | ||
| Like, hey, I'm just trying to get on a plane. | ||
| Why do I have to be searched? | ||
| And I agree to an extent, but I disagree with what they would think is what's reasonable. | ||
| Like, in terms of reasonable search. | ||
| I do think that the world that we live in now, and the fact that everyone's safety is contingent on each other, I do think that a business and the government does have a responsibility to make sure... | ||
| You're not bringing a fucking weapon onto a plane. | ||
| Everyone's a sitting duck. | ||
| Or just fruit from another place that'll get people sick here or something like that. | ||
| Sure, or could introduce a new virus into the ecosystem or something like that. | ||
| There are legitimate things that are... | ||
| That is a reasonable search. | ||
| That's not a violation of the Fourth Amendment. | ||
| But if you want to talk about it's weird that we have to take our shoes off, I'm in. | ||
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| I'm in on that level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I don't know. | ||
| They just want nothing. | ||
| They just want, like... | ||
| I know. | ||
| I should be able to smoke on planes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I should be able to... | ||
| I should be able to clean my gun on a plane. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Brandish it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't... | ||
| Just put it on the table. | ||
| And I'm not putting the table up when we land either. | ||
| I'm leaving it down. | ||
| And their argument would be, like, of course I would never do that. | ||
| It should just be allowed to do that. | ||
| Yeah, they're also assuming everyone's going to behave themselves. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that lots of people aren't fucking batshit crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and we know a lot of people that are batshit crazy. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| That's the thing, too. | ||
| It's like these people that live in these sort of, I don't know, like communities where it's just like them and their neighbor a mile down the road and stuff like that. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Man, ride a bus in a major city. | ||
| You really think everybody should have a gun and not need some type of background check? | ||
| Or you think mentally ill people should get guns? | ||
| I was on a bus the other day here in Chicago. | ||
| Maybe like a half hour trip. | ||
| The entire time, very normal looking. | ||
| I'd put him at 50-ish looking guy. | ||
| Was just muttering to himself about how he was going to kill some people. | ||
| Didn't faze me. | ||
| That's the kind of situation. | ||
| I was on the bus yesterday and this guy was just staring at every woman like he was going to murder them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And at that point you just go, well... | ||
| It's not my problem. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I hate to say it, and you're just kind of like, jeez, is this guy going to do anything? | ||
| I will step up if need be. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I'm ready to do something, but I'm also not ready to do something. | ||
| I can't protect you from looks, but this guy flexes, then we'll do something. | ||
| But otherwise, it's too much risk. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| Yeah, because he might have a gun on a bus. | ||
| You can. | ||
| You can. | ||
| It's very easy. | ||
| It's the same thing, too, with mega buses. | ||
| Greyhounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're reasonably more dangerous because there aren't those. | ||
| There aren't as real of security. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And that's why that guy got beheaded a couple years back on a Greyhound bus. | ||
| And, you know, people sell drugs on megabuses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They do big drug handoffs on megabuses. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What a great way to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that's sort of the Wild West. | ||
| So I'm going to just cut through a lot of bullshit. | ||
| Cain doesn't know anything. | ||
| There's a lot of discussion about, like, Alex wants him to say that we're at a tipping point because Obama's in office again. | ||
| He got re-elected. | ||
| They just ramble about the Federal Reserve and a bunch of nonsense, and it's to the point where they're not even saying anything. | ||
| They say, you know what, we're probably at a tipping point, but I thought 2007, 2008 was going to be a tipping point, and it's not. | ||
| Maybe we'll become the Weimar Republic in six months. | ||
| Maybe we never will. | ||
| You are not saying anything. | ||
| It's absolutely nuts. | ||
| What do you mean Obama didn't do all the stuff Alex claimed he was going to do? | ||
| Yeah, he didn't do all the stuff that you were programmed to be afraid he was going to do. | ||
| Do you think Trump wished he ran against Obama? | ||
| God, for the spectacle? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I like to think when he lit him up at that correspondence dinner that that was like... | ||
| What was that dinner where Obama lit up Trump? | ||
| That was the White House Correspondence Center. | ||
| Yeah, that I felt started it all. | ||
| That's what the narrative suggests. | ||
| I don't know if that's true or not, but man. | ||
| But I do wonder if, because I know that Roger still wanted him to run a bunch of times before. | ||
| It was like the 80s. | ||
| Yeah, but that would have been interesting if four years earlier... | ||
| Man, it would have, I think, real talk, root beer talk, I think that... | ||
| Could have started race riots. | ||
| I mean, the shit he would have said about his nicknames for Obama and stuff. | ||
| The unhinged way he speaks. | ||
| You got Obama bopping down the stairs of Air Force One and all those thinly veiled racist statements. | ||
| I don't think that in 2012... | ||
| I mean, the internet wasn't good, but it wasn't as bad as it is now. | ||
| So I don't know if you would have had the same... | ||
| I think a woman is a not safer punching bag than a black man. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| In the terms of Trump being a nut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I think it was easier for people to wear, you know, Trump that bitch. | ||
| Versus like, you know, Trump. | ||
| Misogyny is much more acceptable. | ||
| But that's a part of the progression of how bad the internet's gotten. | ||
| Because all these movements on the internet, whether we're talking about, like, gamertate, whether we're talking about men's rights activists, pickup artists. | ||
| I'm sure there were some of those guys who would have been like, oh, give me an Obama versus Trump. | ||
| If that's what we're talking about, oh, I could have done some really good work there. | ||
| I do agree with you that, like, hating a woman is somehow more okay than hating a black guy. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| You could have a man and a woman. | ||
| And it was funny because after the... | ||
| Like if you had a black guy and a black woman and you were targeting one of them, everyone would be so much more thrilled if you targeted the black woman. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But also what I was trying to say was... | ||
| Oh, I thought that's what you were getting at. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I saw everyone was kind of like... | ||
| When all the Republicans, after the correspondence dinner with Michelle Wolf, they were like, how dare you? | ||
| And they're like, oh, weren't you the guys who wore these shirts? | ||
| And they showed a man and a woman. | ||
| It's like, fuck your feelings, Trump 20. Shout out Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Yeah, and it's just like, so it's way more. | ||
| And then one guy had a Trump that bitch shirt and stuff like that. | ||
| And it was like, the man and woman were both wearing Hillary for prison. | ||
| That to me is just like, a white couple can go out. | ||
| And wear their Hillary for prison. | ||
| Remember we saw that guy that night? | ||
| In Indiana? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he had his Hillary for prison shirt. | ||
| InfoWars hat. | ||
| InfoWars hat. | ||
| We saw a unicorn. | ||
| It was so fucking crazy. | ||
| With a sad girlfriend. | ||
| But that girl, if he came out, she was like, Oh God, he's wearing his Hillary for prison shirt. | ||
| Well, whatever. | ||
| Let's go to Chili's. | ||
| But if he came out with an Obama for prison, it would have been like... | ||
| Dude, you gotta take that shirt off. | ||
| Because there might be more blowback also. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But I also think... | ||
| Here's what I think about that. | ||
| I think that how bad... | ||
| have to keep variables similar. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Let's imagine that Trump was running against Obama in 2016. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Like imagine that would have been Obama's second term. | |
| Okay. | ||
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If the two of them were running against each other in the climate that we are experiencing right now. | |
| For more years. | ||
| No, but like imagine that just by historical coincidence. | ||
| Let's say that George H.W. Bush got his second term, so it pushed everything forward four years. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So everything is the exact same, except, and you're going to have trouble with 9-11 as now on Bill Clinton's term. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| This is an alternate Earth we could write a whole comic book series about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The sake of everything, let's just assume everything is the same except Trump and Obama are running in 2016. | ||
| You wouldn't see Hillary for prison shirts. | ||
| You would see Obama as a monkey. | ||
| That's what you would see. | ||
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Oh, Jesus. | |
| But, but... | ||
| No, I know this because I've been to gun shows. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| I've seen them. | ||
| I've seen them all. | ||
| I've been to gas stations. | ||
| That's the sort of shit... | ||
| I've been to gas stations selling bumper stickers. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I know. | ||
| That's the sort of shit you would see about Obama. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| Unhinged racial shit. | ||
| What I'm saying is, even the most racist, sexist, homophobic shithead, it's easier for them to wear the Hillary for prison versus the Obama, you know, whatever shirt. | ||
| Because it's like, what's some woman going to do? | ||
| Yell at me? | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| And then it's like, oh, what am I going to do? | ||
| Wear this and a bunch of black dudes are going to be like... | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Let me see your shirt. | ||
| And then we're going to eat the shit out of you. | ||
| My argument to that is some people still wear swastikas out. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So that's why I'm saying that if those were the variables we had at play, what would happen is probably a legit... | ||
| Like, there would be way more racial violence. | ||
| And the night of that election, had Trump won or not won, there would have been trouble either way. | ||
| Yeah, we would have had some bad hombres on both sides. | ||
| Not on both sides. | ||
| Not on both sides. | ||
| Such bullshit. | ||
| Do you think, and I don't want to get off the Kane thing, although Kane's kind of boring me on this one. | ||
| I gotta be honest, can I be clear? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Kane is super boring. | ||
| No, right? | ||
| There was a part of me that was like, when I was cutting these clips, I was deeply concerned, because you're coming in, I know that Kane has been on Infowars, that's so exciting for me, but as I'm cutting the clips, I'm like... | ||
| There's not a lot of juice in this fruit. | ||
| He doesn't say anything crazy. | ||
| He's not really charismatic. | ||
| Let me play one clip for you where they talk about Cain the character, and then we'll get back to you. | ||
| Does he get an actor on the inside of the actor's studio? | ||
| Like, ah, the Cain character. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It's a touch of it. | ||
| When I see all over the country, Bill's introduced and moves to ban homeschooling. | ||
| And when I see the persecution of gun owners and the persecution of free speech, I just hope we can hold off a violent revolution so that we can just restore our republic somehow peacefully. | ||
| What does the Cain in you think about all this? | ||
| I guess Cain would be a fan of tyranny. | ||
| Yeah, he probably would. | ||
| Luckily I'm not. | ||
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A lot of laugh there from Alex. | |
| I would have hooked up... | ||
| Jumper cables to Shane McMahon's testicles and electrocuted him. | ||
| Which leads me to think that the character Kane probably wouldn't be a fan of tyranny. | ||
| No. | ||
| Kane would want society to have all these rules so then he could break them. | ||
| Yeah, because he's so big and strong and commands fire. | ||
| If we're all Kanes. | ||
| Then what's the point? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You want a world of John Cena's where then you could really be the cane. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that is also a thing about the Von Mies Institute view of libertarianism. | ||
| It's just the Mies Institute. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| They've made a number of arguments for, like, monarchy being good. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But it's got to be a democratic monarchy. | ||
| Right, and if everyone's cool. | ||
| Like, here's the thing. | ||
| If they're just like, hey, man. | ||
| What if I told you we can have this king? | ||
| He's going to be really cool. | ||
| He's not going to be bad at all. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Everything's going to be pretty great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Benevolent king. | ||
| Benevolent king. | ||
| He loves you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You cool with that? | ||
| I mean, you've seen some of these presidents you guys have had. | ||
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What do you think? | |
| You'd be like, well, I mean, if he's cool, let's just go for it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you think... | ||
| Now, granted, we can't get him out of power. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And he might kill people. | ||
| Oh, definitely killing people. | ||
| Do you think... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So Trump, let's say, he makes it to the end of this presidency. | ||
| I think he'll make it. | ||
| I don't think he's going to get booted out. | ||
| Well, whatever your question is, I would say my only real firm conviction is that if he does, he's going to get a second term. | ||
| If he runs again? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't believe that to be true also. | ||
| But what I wonder is, and I think also if he runs again, he will get another four years. | ||
| So then, when that's done, and do you think, will it ever kind of, not, it's like it's going to go back to like, you know, hey. | ||
| If we have eight years. | ||
| Are we just on this course and this is it? | ||
| There's no going back? | ||
| If we have eight years of Trump, we are, I don't like this negative, like, I've been reflecting on this a lot. | ||
| Like, I really dislike sort of doom and gloom kind of. | ||
| And I'm guilty of it, too. | ||
| I get into it a bit. | ||
| But I really dislike it to an extent. | ||
| So when I say, like, after eight years, if we have eight years of this, we're done. | ||
| I really do think we're done, but it just is, we have to transition. | ||
| Like, culture has to transition. | ||
| And one of the things that we have to recognize is that, like... | ||
| Politics isn't real anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so what will end up happening, I think, is we'll have another con man become president. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or a woman. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| We'll have a situation that comes into play where just everything comes out into the open a little bit more. | ||
| We'll be like stockholders. | ||
| In a business, and this will be the CEO? | ||
| Everything's a scam, and the only thing that you can really do is create local support networks and stuff like that. | ||
| And so ideally what you'd see is people trying to take care of each other. | ||
| I mean, that to me seems... | ||
| You form like co-ops. | ||
| There's like, because it was like you had the... | ||
| The hippies were like a reaction to everybody being so like straight lace and button up. | ||
| And then everyone's like, oh man, this is too heavy. | ||
| Let's just have disco or I'll just get fucked up. | ||
| I don't want to think about everything. | ||
| So it's like there have been these cultures that have come out of reactions to the previous cultures. | ||
| There's the ping pong theory sort of. | ||
| So it's like to me I just think like I can't imagine eight years of Trump and then some new But here's the problem with that historical theory as we're experiencing it right now. | ||
| And I think that we've discussed a couple of things already that are good examples of this. | ||
| So, like, with the Kanye situation, there's half of the world, and the world is the internet, but you have half of the internet that saw that and was like, wow, that's really fucked up what he said. | ||
| That's really, really stupid. | ||
| And the idea that he's equating in some way, and I know he never was saying that, like, hey, being enslaved is a choice. | ||
| He's saying it went 400 years. | ||
| At some point, why didn't you get out of it? | ||
| Not realizing any of the realities of what slaves' existence. | ||
| What's like in the brutal murders? | ||
| I mean, even just the displacement aspect of it originally goes so far into... | ||
| Anyway, there are much better scholars in terms of the reality of slavery. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| But there's those people who... | ||
| That's their response to it. | ||
| And then the other side... | ||
| The Trump people, their response to it is, oh my god, Kanye's waking people up, getting them off the Democratic plantation and stuff like that. | ||
| So you have two groups of people experiencing the same things in polar different ways. | ||
| And then last night, as we're recording this on Thursday, last night Rudy Giuliani was on Hannity's show and he said... | ||
| That Trump repaid Michael Cohen. | ||
| In payments, because he's fucking broke. | ||
| Well, no, in payments, because if he paid it all at once, it would be a violation. | ||
| It would have to be reported, which is what mobsters do. | ||
| How did he learn that trick, Dan? | ||
| Probably being in the mob. | ||
| This guy's a shill for the mob. | ||
| Probably what Alex told us in 2015. | ||
| New Jersey casinos, you do the math. | ||
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| A lot of the internet heard that interview and was like, holy shit. | ||
| He just said that Trump repaid Cohen for the hush money that he gave to a porn star in the middle of a campaign. | ||
| And they're like, this really is a damning indictment. | ||
| Oh yeah, I turned on MSNBC this morning and they were all high-fiving each other and they had wine out too, just like us. | ||
| But you look at the other side of the internet and they were like... | ||
| It wasn't campaign funds. | ||
| Rudy Giuliani just blew up the entire story. | ||
| And did you hear the rest of it? | ||
| He said Rod Rodenstein needs to be fired and that the Russia probe is bullshit. | ||
| There's some evangelical who's like, hey, we didn't hire a choir boy. | ||
| And he paid. | ||
| I saw that exact tweet. | ||
| Over and over again. | ||
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I hired him to be a president, not a pastor. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, so you have these two sides of the internet that are experiencing events in completely different ways. | ||
| And people are galvanized into whatever their camp is. | ||
| So the ping pong theory of, like, I'm reacting to X, so I work towards Y, or whatever. | ||
| You have two different groups that are going to ping pong in different directions. | ||
| They're going to react to whatever events are coming in completely different, radicalized ways. | ||
| So maybe, like, alt-right people are going to chill out a little bit, but then lefties are going to get more angry. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think that's possible. | ||
| I also think that... | ||
| I think the trend that we're experiencing leads towards anger on both sides. | ||
| I also think this is, like, sports for people now. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And their teams, and winning, and I think, you know... | ||
| That's why everyone keeps bringing up Hillary, but it's only the people on the right who are bringing up Hillary. | ||
| They're like, she lost, get over it. | ||
| It is funny watching Hillary. | ||
| No one I know ever is like, let's get her in. | ||
| Giuliani brought up the Clintons so much. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| And then Trump hired Bill Clinton as a lawyer. | ||
| I mean, it's so funny. | ||
| It's a farce that we're experiencing. | ||
| Yeah, it really is. | ||
| And I don't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know the reality. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what Trump did or didn't do. | ||
| But I know that... | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| But I do believe that the investigation that's going on isn't a witch hunt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think they know what they... | ||
| I think they know what they got. | ||
| I have a certain amount of faith that if it is a witch hunt, I think people will be able to see through it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if the end result of the investigation is lackluster or the evidence presented isn't compelling, then I think we can have another conversation at that point. | ||
| But for now, to me, I do know what is publicly available. | ||
| It looks bad. | ||
| But let's not jump to anything. | ||
| There's also a lot of... | ||
| Bad, dumb people involved in this, too. | ||
| Like, this cast of characters that you've sort of shined a light on. | ||
| And bad smart people. | ||
| And bad smart people, too. | ||
| Roger Stone is a genius. | ||
| He is a genius. | ||
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Incredibly smart. | |
| But I think that some of these guys just got roped in with the dumb... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, every business, you'll talk to people and they'll be like, Oh, God, that guy who's like the district manager is an idiot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| And he keeps failing his way up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's a lot of those guys. | ||
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| There's a lot of those guys involved in this. | ||
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| And dudes who are just like... | ||
| Fucking monsters. | ||
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| And these monsters like them. | ||
| Like a Rob Porter type. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Who are just like, hey man, I went to Turkey and fucking, you know, I was just like, hey man, you can kill whoever you gotta kill. | ||
| Like, let's make this deal. | ||
| And they're like, oh, I thought you were gonna say I couldn't kill people. | ||
| Like, no, kill whoever you need to kill. | ||
| Let's fucking get this deal made. | ||
| And they're like, don't even worry about it. | ||
| Like, people like that. | ||
| Yeah, miraculously, Eric Prince being fine now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Being cool. | ||
| So it's like all these types of people. | ||
| So you've got like these just bad people, dumb people, people who have just been, you know, Lucky to be around and all sorts of things. | ||
| And then it's just like, yeah, I think it'll be interesting. | ||
| But I think that... | ||
| If Trump can make it past this, though, I agree. | ||
| He'll get another four years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I would say it doesn't matter how he gets past it. | ||
| Like, even if he fires all the people who are in his way... | ||
| He just needs to not either say, I'm done or I'm impeached and I'm in jail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to just get a couple more facts in. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Then we've got to review Degrassi. | ||
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We will. | |
| We will. | ||
| We'll get right back to where we were a second ago, but I'm just going to run down the rest of this show. | ||
| Hey, we didn't thank any Patreon supporters this week. | ||
| We will in a second. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| We'll do it at the end. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I completely forgot because I got excited about talking about wrestling with you. | ||
| Okay, I understand. | ||
| Alex makes the argument that the American Revolution is the only good revolution that's ever happened, which I would argue is not the case for Indians, Native Americans, or black people. | ||
| Well, the libertarians say, hey, we won, so... | ||
| His argument is that it brings the most freedom, and that's not true for many groups who aren't white dudes for a very long time, a shockingly long time. | ||
| Even for pretty smart people in modern day, I don't think people realize, How long it took for basic rights to be applied. | ||
| Hey, Cain, maybe you should talk to Ernie Ladd. | ||
| I thought you were going to say Ernest the Cat Miller. | ||
| Or Ernest the Cat Miller. | ||
| Or any guy who's probably dealt with a lot of racism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So then Cain brings up the red pill. | ||
| I got really excited because I was going to make a pun about how he's the big red pill machine. | ||
| Oh, that would be great. | ||
| The clip is really boring, but it was worth it for the pun. | ||
| If Kane was a known pill popper back in the day, if he was Kevin Nash, that would have been great to call him the big red pill popping machine. | ||
| He admits, not admits, I mean he just talks about it, but he talks about writing for the Daily Caller, which is a publication that's owned by Tucker. | ||
| Tucker Carlson is full of shit. | ||
| He wrote an article about wealth inequality and how the government creates it. | ||
| And it's just a bunch of bullshit. | ||
| He doesn't actually cite any evidence. | ||
| He's just saying things. | ||
| Alex and him talk about how bad healthcare is around the world. | ||
| About how Alex has an employee who works in England. | ||
| I would like to know, how does Cain have insurance? | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| We're going to get to that in the last clip. | ||
| Well, he does. | ||
| He has to pay for it himself. | ||
| Yeah, interesting. | ||
| You'd think a guy who worked for a billion-dollar company for over 20 years would have health insurance provided by them. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So Alex talks about how he has an employee in Britain who is dealing with the terrible British health care system. | ||
| That's Paul Joseph Watson. | ||
| No, you think it's bad here. | ||
| You should go over there. | ||
| Canada ain't no better. | ||
| He's a goddamn propagandist, and so I don't care what he's saying. | ||
| And then Kane chimes in that he has a friend in Canada who needed an MRI, and so he had to wait a while based on the Canadian system. | ||
| So he went to Detroit and went and got it, and I would say, okay, well, your friend has $3,000 to spare. | ||
| Good on him. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Not everyone does. | ||
| Not everyone is. | ||
| I'm trying to think who it would be. | ||
| And also... | ||
| 2012. | ||
| Canadian. | ||
| Maybe Jericho. | ||
| Jericho needed an MRI? | ||
| Edge, maybe. | ||
| Certainly any of those people don't have insurance. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, Nick Foley the other day was doing a Kickstarter for some surgery. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| You did that a while back, right? | ||
| And again? | ||
| No, that was a couple, maybe a year ago. | ||
| Okay, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's the one I remember seeing. | ||
| Hip surgery or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, also, I'd like to say, I have a friend from Canada, too. | ||
| And he got drunk and jumped out of a window and accidentally broke both of his ankles. | ||
| And he got healthcare, got treated, got... | ||
| No one asked any questions. | ||
| Everything was taken care of. | ||
| Got a bunch of surgery. | ||
| So, hey, I got an example, too, dumbass. | ||
| I have a friend in Parts Unknown. | ||
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| Oh, boy. | ||
| Anyway, demon doctors. | ||
| I'm going to finish up all my rambling here by giving you a little bit more of the Von Mies Institute's ideas about stuff. | ||
| They believe in child labor. | ||
| They think the child labor laws are stupid. | ||
| Look what it did. | ||
| It made a great author out of Charles Dickens. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| He got forced into... | ||
| Pressure builds diamonds. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There's no other way to create them. | ||
| No other way. | ||
| Their argument hinges largely on stupid anecdotal ideas about like, hey, kids know more about computers than adults do. | ||
| Why can't they make money on it? | ||
| Why can't they build them? | ||
| Why can't they make more money on teaching people how to use... | ||
| And my response to that is, they fucking can! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| When I was a kid, I charged people to mow their lawns. | ||
| Any kid can do that with, I will help you with your computer. | ||
| That's not child labor. | ||
| The child labor laws that are in place are you can't have kids working at your fucking factory. | ||
| You can't have kids building the computers. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| That's the thin line. | ||
| That's the distinction. | ||
| If a kid wants to start up some sort of... | ||
| Look, if a kid doesn't want to go to school and they just want to get into that... | ||
| Warehouse and just start building computers for no money. | ||
| Let's let them do it. | ||
| Some kids are fucking passionate about warehouses. | ||
| Yeah, and they pretend that it's like, kids can't make money, but what if they're enterprising? | ||
| They fucking can't. | ||
| What if they need an MRI in Detroit? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Their parents need three grand. | ||
| That was a Home Alone proposal where this kid was in Canada and couldn't get an MRI, so he snuck over to the U.S. and got one. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
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| It was a Canadian version of Home Alone. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bad movie. | ||
| It's a bad joke. | ||
| It wasn't a great joke, but I was trying to play it out in my head as how that would work as a movie. | ||
| I'm like, I don't want to see this movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the last thing I'm going to say about the Von Mies Institute. | ||
| Mies Institute. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| I want to talk about their racism. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They're racist? | ||
| Very. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm going to read a couple quotes from Ludwig von Mies. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Ludwig von Mies is racist? | ||
| Quote, It is nonsensical to fight the racial hypothesis by negating obvious facts. | ||
| It is vain to deny that up till now certain races have contributed nothing or very little to the development of civilization and can, in this sense, be called inferior. | ||
| That's von Mies right there, baby. | ||
| Here's another quote. | ||
| Quote, Exploit the less able races. | ||
| What else are we going to do with them? | ||
| Jeez. | ||
| But you might be thinking to yourself, that's Ludwig von Mies. | ||
| That's probably a guy who existed in the Austro-Hungarian Habsburg Empire. | ||
| Yeah, he lived in a castle. | ||
| Yeah, he's not modern. | ||
| Here's Murray Rothbard. | ||
| He's on Twitter. | ||
| Turns out he's on Twitter. | ||
| Here's Murray Rothbard. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Quote, the officially oppressed of American society, which is code in this case for black people, women. | ||
| Gays, etc. | ||
| Non-white men. | ||
| They are a parasitic burden, forcing their hapless oppressors to provide an endless flow of benefits. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| You're making us all into Scrooges. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he also doesn't like women. | ||
| Murray Rothbard doesn't. | ||
| This is from the Southern Poverty Law Center. | ||
| They wrote this up about him. | ||
| Quote, the call of equality, he wrote, is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. | ||
| Rothbard blames much of what he dislikes on the meddling women. | ||
| In the mid-1800s, a legion of Yankee women, who were not fettered by the responsibilities of household work, imposed voting rights for women on the nation. | ||
| Later, Jewish women, after raising funds from, quote, top Jewish financiers, agitated for child labor laws. | ||
| Rothbard adds with evident disgust. | ||
| The, quote, dominant tradition of all these activist women, he suggests, is lesbianism. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| They all just want to kiss each other. | ||
| So the current head of the Mies Institute, I've corrected myself, and one of the stalwarts of libertarianism right now is a guy named Walter Block. | ||
| And he's responsible for a lot of the arguments that we read from the Mies Institute's website, defending blackmailers and stuff like that. | ||
| He's a real contrarian asshole. | ||
| And he had this to say about slavery. | ||
| Think about this in relation to Kanye West. | ||
| Quote, Free association is a very important aspect of liberty. | ||
| It's crucial. | ||
| Indeed, its lack was the major problem with slavery. | ||
| The slaves could not quit. | ||
| They were forced to associate with their masters when they would have vastly preferred not to do so. | ||
| Otherwise, slavery wasn't so bad. | ||
| The only real problem was that this relationship was compulsory. | ||
| It violated the law of free association and that of the slaves' private property rights in their own persons. | ||
| The Civil Rights Act of 1964 then, to a much smaller degree of course, made partial slaves of the owners of establishments like Woolworths. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It wasn't that bad? | ||
| First of all, there's that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, the problem with Sailor is you couldn't quit, not all the other stuff. | ||
| Enjoyed meals. | ||
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Sing songs. | |
| Sing songs. | ||
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Pick cotton. | |
| You got a job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can sing. | ||
| You know, hey, Dan, we both worked in places where we were not allowed to sing while we were working. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| What would have happened if back when you were at Starbucks, you would have just been singing the whole time? | ||
| Zippity-doo-dah! | ||
| Oh, why does my brain immediately go to the racist Song of the Self movie? | ||
| Wow, interesting. | ||
| Huh, maybe because that's exactly what he's fucking talking about. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Man, it's crazy. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| I mean, there's the really basic versions of this. | ||
| Like, most libertarians are against the Civil Rights Act because they're like, why should your business be required to serve black people if you don't want to? | ||
| When they talk about freedom of association, they're not talking about, like, if you're in the underprivileged class, you should be allowed to associate with people who are privileged. | ||
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Yes. | |
| They're talking about if you are white. | ||
| You shouldn't have to deal with other people. | ||
| You shouldn't be forced to associate with other people. | ||
| And then they bring it into labor laws and stuff like that in the absolutely most twisted ways. | ||
| All of this is bullshit. | ||
| It's fucking bullshit. | ||
| They're all racist con men. | ||
| Sounds like it. | ||
| Anyway, I have one more clip to close this out. | ||
| Alex asks Kane about the WWE. | ||
| He didn't ask about the NWO? | ||
| No, he does not. | ||
| All right, let's hear it. | ||
| He doesn't even ask about DX. | ||
| I mean, Kane was a part of DX. | ||
| Oh, brother. | ||
| He was an associate. | ||
| He was tag champs with Xbox. | ||
| He was an associate. | ||
| He was in. | ||
| He was in for my money. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He asks about the WWE in terms of libertarianism. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And this answer is super fucked up. | ||
| Oh, he's going to wave that flag. | ||
| Oh, it's the most libertarian place on the planet. | ||
| You're not far off, but the details of the answer are so weird. | ||
| Let's talk about world wrestling entertainment briefly. | ||
| What's the average political makeup there? | ||
| Are people waking up there? | ||
| Are more people going to speak out there? | ||
| Where do you think that's going? | ||
| Because you've used your fame to help promote liberty. | ||
| Are other folks going to be joining you? | ||
| And what are you doing running for political office? | ||
| I have no plans to run for political office now. | ||
| Maybe in the future I might do that. | ||
| As far as my colleagues, you know, Alex, the reason that most people don't pay attention to stuff is they're just trying to make a living, man. | ||
| They're trying to pay taxes. | ||
| They're trying to take care of their families. | ||
| They're trying to deal with all the stuff that life gives you in general. | ||
| And then on top of that, we have this enormous paradigm shift, which I believe is on the horizon. | ||
| But, you know, like most people, I think our guys, they do. | ||
| There's a libertarian streak in as far as, you know. | ||
| Don't really like taxes that much because we have to pay our own taxes. | ||
| We're independent contractors, which means that we have to write the check out to the IRS, and nothing will bring your religion faster than actually having to sit down and sign a big old check over to the... | ||
| Well said. | ||
| Hey, listen, you've got to promise to come back, and next time you're in Austin, come in studio. | ||
| All right, man, I will. | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| Thanks a lot. | ||
| Powerful interview. | ||
| You must have just been listening to Rogan. | ||
| Oh, brother. | ||
| How goddamn stupid do you have to be to... | ||
| Be so mad that you have to pay your taxes that it turns you libertarian as opposed to looking at the situation you're in and being like, huh! | ||
| Hey, wait a minute. | ||
| This business that has been exploiting my labor for 20 years and making millions off of me playing, first of all, a dentist character, and then fake diesel, and then this demon from hell where I get accidentally burned from time to time because of pyrotechnics. | ||
| The same business that's destroyed most of my coworkers' bodies to the point where they all need surgery. | ||
| And some of them kill their families. | ||
| Some of them have killed their families. | ||
| One of them has killed their families. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Just the normal thing. | ||
| And, hey, no healthcare. | ||
| She's going to hit you in the head with a fucking chair. | ||
| Go work somewhere else if you don't want to, you know. | ||
| The free market dictates that you must enjoy getting hit in the head with a chair and getting CTE. | ||
| His pal JBL, you know, hit a lot of people in the head real hard with chairs. | ||
| Yeah, backstage even. | ||
| And did a lot of other fun stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this is so crazy to me. | ||
| I don't want to be mad at Kane. | ||
| No. | ||
| Except for... | ||
| For his performance in the ring. | ||
| I feel like somebody indoctrinated him into libertarian ideas. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| A lot of time on the road. | ||
| You know, you're reading a lot of books. | ||
| You're listening to a lot of Rush Limbaugh on the road. | ||
| You know, he probably got indoctrinated and was like, yeah. | ||
| Versus somebody being like, this is fucking so dumb that we are independent contractors. | ||
| There's one clip where he mentions a guy named Kyle Bass. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Who he subscribes to. | ||
| Like, he subscribes to his beliefs. | ||
| He's a hedge fund manager. | ||
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| And I wish I still had this clip in because it turns out that Kyle Bass runs a hedge fund. | ||
| Guess what the name is? | ||
| Heyman! | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which is interesting, just for the parallels. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you. | ||
| Someone must have, like, touched his ear a little bit in some way. | ||
| Because you can't have a personal situation that is as exploitative as professional wrestlers have and then be like, oh, no, the problem is that the business should have even more power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, do you think Vince should give you guys insurance? | ||
| Heavens no. | ||
| We don't want to be a bigger burden on this man. | ||
| That would be an encouragement on his personal liberties. | ||
| And then what if he couldn't pay that and we had to all go out of business? | ||
| That would be so bad for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Also, he shouldn't have fed Shane. | |
| He could have sold Shane and Stephanie had he not wanted that burden of clothing. | ||
| He kind of did in some ways. | ||
| He kind of did. | ||
| So? | ||
| So that's the end of this Kane exploration. | ||
| I mean, it's fucked up. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| There's so many real issues that he could wrestle with. | ||
| Spoiler. | ||
| Pun. | ||
| But he didn't. | ||
| Doesn't. | ||
| And he's just, I think he's one of those, well, I made my fortune doing my own thing. | ||
| He probably was, you know how you hear those stories of like professional basketball players who squander all their money? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you hear a few who invest well and they're kind of dicks about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| About the system that's in place. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I get the sense that maybe Kane made a lot of money pretty early and was smart about it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And is now so secure. | ||
| Like, maybe he invested in some property and he rents it out to people. | ||
|
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| Has, like, some rental properties. | ||
|
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He flipped the house. | |
| I heard that recently. | ||
| He did? | ||
| Yeah, he flipped the house. | ||
| Okay, that's proof of my... | ||
| Made a little money. | ||
| Yeah, my idea. | ||
| He probably... | ||
| I believe he owned a gym. | ||
| That's a good way to get some coin coming in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there are these things. | ||
| Owning retail and, like, basic retail properties and, like, apartments. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Any kind of land you can own is... | ||
| Vince Russo opened a CD store when the... | ||
| Oh, Vince. | ||
| Right after MP3s were really taken over. | ||
| Like right after? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Swerve. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| Did not work out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's pathetic. | ||
| I think all of this is pathetic. | ||
| I think the Von Mies... | ||
| Mies Institute is pathetic. | ||
| I think the Austrian school is stupid. | ||
| There's a lot more complexity to it, too, and we're not dealing with it. | ||
| This just sounds like something that sounds great at a bar of like, yeah, man, this government's taking all our money and da-da-da-da, and you're just like, okay. | ||
| Only humans can act, man! | ||
| Society can't act! | ||
| And then you're like, okay, then you do a little more research and you're like, well, you know what, this is the answer. | ||
| Stats aren't real! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's that. | ||
| Marty, it's been fun. | ||
| Dan, thank you for having me on. | ||
| It's a pleasure. | ||
| It's always a pleasure. | ||
| People should check out your podcast, Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Every Thursday, new episode. | ||
| And next week, 100th. | ||
| 100th episode. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Celebrate the 99th now, forget about the 100th. | ||
| That's my advice to you. | ||
| Also... | ||
| We got to episode 150 or so of this show, and I didn't even notice. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| We never numbered our episodes. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| No, you're putting out some... | ||
| Too much. | ||
| You're doing God's work. | ||
| Too much. | ||
| You're on iTunes. | ||
| You're on MartyAndSarahLoveWrestling.com. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| Stand-up dates? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm around. | ||
| Yeah, you do comedy. | ||
| I do comedy. | ||
| I'm around. | ||
| That's the perfect plug. | ||
| I'm around. | ||
| I do comedy. | ||
| We're on knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That's our website. | ||
| We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Patreon. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I appreciate that very much, man. | ||
|
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No problem. | |
| I appreciate all of our policy wonks. | ||
| I'm going to give a shout out to a couple. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because I know you want to hear some sound effects. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We completely forgot at the beginning of the show talking too much wrestling. | ||
|
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What about a drop from Alex? | |
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Did you do it? | ||
| I don't have an Out of Context one. | ||
| I was going to cut just... | ||
| Kane is my guest. | ||
| Here, I'll play one. | ||
| I'm racist. | ||
|
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Okay, there you go. | |
| Oh, shit. | ||
| How did we miss that? | ||
| I'd like to give a shout-out to a new policy wonk, Destiny. | ||
| Thank you so much, Destiny. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much, Destiny. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| Also... | ||
| From the band Destiny's Child. | ||
|
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No, no. | |
| That's her child she's talking about. | ||
| No, it's the mother. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| The mother of Destiny's Child. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This one is big. | ||
| This is a buddy of ours. | ||
| He came to town to visit. | ||
| So we've actually met this gentleman. | ||
| He's a cool dude. | ||
| Is this the guy you went out with after we had our wonderful Thai lunch? | ||
| No. | ||
| Were you okay after that? | ||
| I shit my pants. | ||
| I didn't shit my pants, but man, did I make it home just in time. | ||
| I was fine. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Throwback to the Degrassi days. | ||
| Spice report. | ||
| You got the spice report sound bite? | ||
| No. | ||
| We had a spice report. | ||
| We had a spice report. | ||
| We went to get to the train. | ||
| And we were both like, that might not have been a great idea. | ||
| It was a photo finish to get to my bathroom. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| You were off to the art thing. | ||
| Oh, no, I went with Jordan and his girlfriend to go to the art screening. | ||
| Oh, and no, I had to shit. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I had to shit, but I was fine after that. | ||
| It was touch and go for a minute, but it was fine. | ||
| No, this gentleman came to town months ago, and we met up and got some nice drinks, and he lives in Austin, and we will be in Austin on June 15th to not Bullhorn, Alex Jones' studio, but we'll be there to do a live show at Beerland. | ||
| And I appreciate John bumping up his donation. | ||
| He is now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
|
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you, John. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| You can find our Patreon at knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Just click the support the show button. | ||
| Titty baby. | ||
| We're also on Facebook! | ||
| We have a group on Facebook called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're a Titty Baby. | ||
| Yeah, that should have been the name of it. | ||
| There's a lot of things that I wish I could rename. | ||
| I don't think the Facebook group I'd like to rename. | ||
| Are you happy with Knowledge Fight? | ||
| No. | ||
| I am, and I'm not. | ||
| I'm fine with it now, but I wish I would have called the show They're All Con Men. | ||
| Because that's more the point of all this. | ||
| Everyone is running a scam. | ||
| These are all people who generally have ties to gold sale operations. | ||
| They're all fucking with you. | ||
| And that's all the right wing is anymore. | ||
| Follow the money, baby. | ||
| Follow the money. | ||
| It's all scams. | ||
| But anyway, Marty, this has been a lot of fun. | ||
| Hey, it's been a whole lot of fun here, too. | ||
| Thanks for coming. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Until next time... | ||
|
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Oh, wait. | |
| What? | ||
| The end of the show. | ||
| Someone's got to be told to fuck themselves. | ||
|
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Ah, that's right. | |
| And since you're the guest, you get to choose. | ||
| Obviously, the easy answer is Glenn Jacobs. | ||
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It is. | |
| A.K.A. | ||
| Kane. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is the easy answer. | ||
| But I still like Kane. | ||
| So... | ||
| I'm going to tell... | ||
| I mean, Jeff Jarrett did come up. | ||
| Hey, I love Jeff Jarrett. | ||
| Shut up, slap nuts. | ||
| I love Jeff Jarrett. | ||
| He's a very cool dude. | ||
| He's A-OK in my book. | ||
| I'd say Vincent Mann can fuck off. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |