Knowledge Fight - #155: January 7-9, 2009

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#155: January 7-9, 2009

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In Knowledge Fight’s #155, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ January 7–9, 2009 broadcasts, where he condemned police for the Oscar Grant shooting but later spiraled into racist attacks on Black mall-goers and abortion rights. Guests like Bob Chapman pushed gold sales, while Jones amplified fringe claims—from giants to Obama’s "white body in blackface"—without skepticism. His pro-Russian gas dispute narrative blamed Ukraine despite evidence, and eBay bullhorn auctions (e.g., Tyranny Crusher 1) reached absurdly high bids, fueling conspiracy theories. Early hints of extremism contrast sharply with his later persona, revealing a pattern of exploitation and ideological inconsistency. [Automatically generated summary]
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alex jones

infowars 17:40

dan friesen

01:01:14

jordan holmes

38:07

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bob chapman

00:52

ted anderson

gcn 00:56

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Speaker	Time	Text
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a first-time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bob Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, if you were trying to explain this show to one of our many utterly useless Democratic senators.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, geez.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The ones who are fucking awful, who are just murderously terrible in every possible fucking way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, how would you explain this show to these incompetent, moronic monsters that we have elected to lead us?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, first I would say a podcast is like a radio show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good start because they're all fucking old and stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That would be the first step.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good way to go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then past that, I would just describe it the way I describe it to anybody.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you right off the bat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on, that was your tone dip.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You did it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was trying to put a little jazz on you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I put a little English into the mix.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You did?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was great.
		That's show business.
		I would say that I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a perfect summation of the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we would do a better job at your stupid fucking gig, you idiots.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you dumb, dumb politician.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I hate them so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Very ineffectual.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you, Nancy Pelosi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're garbage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes you've got to let that steam vent go and get a little bit of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking awful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So useless.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, Jordan, today we're going to be going into the past.
		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are going to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The present is great, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are going to present.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know why we would talk about the present.
		Things are too good.
		It's boring.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So for those people who have been following our escapades in the recent presentation frame?
		Yeah, with going back to the past.
		We've gone back to June.
		We're going down to June.
		I'm going back to June 2009 before.
		That's what I have been doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I picked that arbitrarily, sort of, to some extent, because the episodes I was listening to in 2008 are not great.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they're unusable.
		But I realized that maybe we should go back.
		June might not be the best place to start.
		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Spoiler alert.
		Buddy told me, reminded me that something happened in January of 2009.
		It'd be very interesting to get Alex Jones' takeoff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The inauguration of Barack Obama?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that should be coming up, yes, but it's not that specifically.
		It's something that we're going to run into, and we're going to be – we'll deal with it as we go through this episode.
		Today's episode is January 7th through 9th of 2009.
		You're going to be going on a very interesting roller coaster today because there's a lot of stuff that I discovered looking into 2009 Alex that you aren't ready for.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But there are some familiar pieces.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And here's an out-of-context drop that's sort of familiar.
unidentified		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Those beautiful mammary glands.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, I think you may have forgotten some business to do up top.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I just wanted to get the out-of-context drop out of the way.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was just saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to give a flavor of the things to come.
		And then next, I would like to beautiful mammary glands.
		After that, he starts laughing.
		He's like, the guys in the booth like that one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeesh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no way he was guilty of the sexual assault lawsuit that he's doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The sea control harassment complaint.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no chance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So before we get into the show, very important that we give some shout-outs to donors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I want to say, just big picture, we recently crossed the 100-donor mark.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There were 100-plus policy wonks out there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is nuts.
		When we started this show, I didn't think there would be 10.
		I didn't think there would be five, quite frankly.
		And now we're at a point where we're over 100.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you had some people from your former show, and I kind of assumed we would have got rid of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We did lose a number of them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I assumed we would have lost all of them, and no one would have ever jumped back on board.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Very reasonably, we lost comedian Tommy McNamara's mom.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That donated to my dad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		We got to talk to Tommy Mac.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just so great.
		We're at a place where this show is going to be able to allow me to live much more stably.
		And we appreciate it so much.
		Everybody, it's life-changing levels of support.
		And I really, really, really appreciate it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Agreed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't have to buy you cigarettes anymore.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll see about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But please feel the love and appreciation in every time we play these drops because it's from the heart.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's pure, pure beauty.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, first, I'd like to give a shout-out to new policy wonk, Mark.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's going on out there, Mark?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Mark.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mark, how do they let you donate from jail?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who are you talking about?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He loves our shows about him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He just loves Mark Richards, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's Raptor Man Mark Richards.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He loves hearing about himself.
		That's what it's really all about.
		Thank you, Mark Richards.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are a murderer, but that is very kind of you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's very sweet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We do take donations from murderers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So if you have murdered, do not feel like, unlike voting, you are still able to donate to our show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This one is not something you can jazz on because I actually know who is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it the BTK killer?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, this one I know.
		I'm going to give a specific shout-out to.
		This dude's a great rapper, and he's on the road right now with our friend Far Out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think they're still on the road.
		I'm really bad at remembering dates, but they had a tour of the Northeast.
		Big shout-out.
		Thank you so much for supporting the show, I-9.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Really appreciate it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Got some great music out there.
		Everyone should go check out.
		Also, next.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, there are just no names to play off if your name is I-9.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no other.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's going to be tough.
		I'd like to give a shout-out to someone who's coming in as a globalist, bump their donation up as a globalist.
		Shout-out, and thank you so much, John.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified		Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
unidentified		Daddy Shark, bump, Yeah, thank you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, thank you very much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I believe this is John Wick, if I recall correctly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't like killing dogs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He does not like dogs getting killed in any form.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say John Arbuckle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		John Arbuckle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You always go real people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wait, you didn't this time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that was not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wait, you can't use John Wick.
		That's someone's alias who already has donated.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
		I thought this guy bumped his donation up.
		I thought this was the guy who earlier I referenced as being John Wick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If someone has an obvious gnome deplume, I'm going to just go ahead and use it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just don't want to put people's business on the streets if they use their own.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, that's right, because we did have a guy who donated as John Wick.
		That's what I was saying.
		Well, now I've messed it up.
		I apologize, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
		I quit.
		Finally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I give up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Finally, one more shout-out.
		This is a very special shout-out.
		This gentleman was in town last weekend, and we had a very nice time hanging out with him and his girlfriend.
		Oh, shit!
		It was a blast meeting him, and we were cool.
		Thank you so much.
		Jim, you are now a technocrat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified		Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
		Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
		Daddy Shark, bomb, bomb, bump, bump, bump.
		Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified		He's a loser, little kitty baby.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to hate black people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Jim.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Jim.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you and your significant other were absolutely fantastic to talk to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very, very brilliant people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Always a thrill when we get to meet folks.
		It's a treat for us, I believe.
		I believe that's fair to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we're super excited to meet a bunch of folks down in Austin when we're down there in June.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That'll be most of the thrill, I think.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The show will be secondary to just amazing folks who have sent me nice messages.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every time we meet people, there's a part of me that's like, I didn't think you were real.
		I kind of assumed this is more of an elaborate scam that you are perpetrating on me in order to get me to.
		Yeah, yeah.
		Like somehow I am like I have cancer or something, and you're just trying to make my last days as exciting as possible.
		You're like, look, our fan base is growing.
		There's nobody actually listening.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why does it have to be an either or?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand why it's got to be a dichotomy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a fair point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But no, I do not disagree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
		I'm emotionally overwhelmed, and the only thing you can do in situations like that is just keep on moving forward.
		So we're going to.
		We're going to keep on moving forward with the show.
		And let's get to it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Jordan, today we start on January 7th of 2009.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And let me say something to you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This first clip is going to blow your goddamn mind.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is what Alex starts out the show talking about, and he spends most of the show talking about this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You would never expect these kinds of things to come out of Alex Jones' mouth in 2018 or 2015 anywhere that we've looked into him.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And that brings me to San Francisco.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to get into this later in the broadcast once we go live at PrisonPlanet.tv because I want to show the clips.
		The witnesses were all saying that they took the black men off the train.
		There had been a report of people yelling and screaming at each other and arguing on the train.
		And that they then were putting them in handcuffs and that the man wasn't resisting and that they shot him in the back.
		And the police, and we have their first press conferences, said, no, that's not true.
		And then they use this weird lawyer speak to say there was an altercation, an argument, and then the officers, one of the officers shot him.
		Now, with Legal Ease Speak, he's talking about the argument on the train between the men that had the police respond.
		But psychologically, and they do this on the news, too, in the newscast later, they're sandwiching that in with, oh, he did something in an altercation with police.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It shouldn't be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But it is a huge deal to hear Alex Jones coming out against the shooting of black people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is, it should not be, it shouldn't even be a conversation.
		There should never have been a question of it.
		It should have just been like, we should all be like, hey, cops are murdering black people specifically.
		That is a bad thing.
		Now, Alex would be like, eh, they probably had it coming.
		But back then, that he's against it.
		Where did this Alex go?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When I turned this on and when I was listening to this episode and he said that, I gasped.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It shouldn't matter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I almost fainted.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It shouldn't be a generational thing.
		It shouldn't be every decade he decides which fucking group of people is fine for the cops to shoot.
		Dear Lord.
		Imagine if this had continued.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what he's referring to is there was a guy by the name of Oscar Grant who was out partying, I assume, because it was on New Year's Eve.
		It was about 2 a.m. on New Year's Day, 2009.
		And there were reports that there was some fighting on a BART train in San Francisco.
		And, you know, the details are murky in terms of the specifics of it, but who cares?
		The long and short of it are the cops tried to arrest this guy.
		They had him down on the ground with a knee to his back.
		Not a knee to his back, but they were trying to handcuff him.
		As I understand it, I've looked into this, and from what I understand, they were trying to handcuff him, but he was like, they couldn't get his hands right.
		So he wasn't in handcuffs when they shot him, which is a meaningless point to me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the cops shot him in the back, and then he died on the way to the station.
		And there was a bit of some obviously understandable protests afterwards.
		The cop did get in trouble, from what I recall.
		I believe he did end up getting he at least resigned.
		Let me see, because I think I have the details here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Somehow that was a better time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, at least he had some sort of punishment for it, I guess.
		I don't know.
		I don't know, man.
		That's all fucked up.
		Yeah.
		And I believe, what, was it today or yesterday that Alabama put up a monument to the victims of lynchings?
		Yeah.
		It's a good thing that's over.
		It's a good thing we don't have to worry about state-sponsored murders.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So apparently in July of 2010, a jury found the cop, Johannes Maersley, guilty of involuntary manslaughter and not guilty of charges of second-degree murder or voluntary manslaughter.
		So that's not great.
		They also found him guilty of gun enhancement charge that could have added 10 years to his sentence, made him ineligible for probation, and required him to serve 85% of his sentence.
		So that's not great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's taking super gun vitality.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's not great, but in terms of the end results we see of so many of these shootings with cops, at least there was something.
		Yeah.
		Which is not good enough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's all bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the weirdest part about this is that Alex is against the cops and in favor of the murder victim, Oscar Grant.
		Although he refuses to say his name.
		That is kind of weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, but if you're going to, you don't want to say his name.
		That humanizes him.
		What you're trying to do is...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm hearing from the chat room that the case was thrown out.
		I don't know if that's the case.
		I'm operating on incomplete information.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That might be the case.
		I'm operating on incomplete information about the end turnout of this.
		So I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, chat room.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, bumming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for bumming me out still further.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's more important, though, is that Alex is kind of clearly assessing the situation.
		He's dealing with it in a much more real way.
		Oh, I read the message in the chat room wrong.
		Never mind.
		Sorry.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I'm back to happy again, I guess.
		Is that what was going on?
		I don't believe I was ever happy.
		I think that just changed my disappointment and sadness levels from about yay high to about yay low.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to stop responding to messages I don't fully understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Probably a good idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
		So, you know, Alex is against it.
		He's against the shooting.
		He's against the cops.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Good boy, Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He goes on to say this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's not even the issue that they murder this guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that is a big issue.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's that they make excuses now that the videos have come out and are saying, well, he thought it was his taser.
		It was taser confusion.
		May have been.
		The issue here, though, is that they lied.
		The police officials with the transit authority lied about it.
		And they need to go to jail.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, first of all, That is the end point is good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to deal with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I told you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't even understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand how that sentence can.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		I believe the issue isn't that they murdered the guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, that's kind of like the, it's not that you cheated on me, it's that you lied about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's that trope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's very weird.
		But then, like, that sentence, I think, is fairly philosophically consistent with what Alex pretends to be.
		You know what I mean?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, he's giving credit or leeway to some extent, but still being like, you need to go to prison.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You lied about shooting a guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But the issue there is that it almost seems like more his response, had they just been like, oh, yeah, we murdered that guy.
		He would have been like, well, see?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good for them.
		I don't think so.
		Like, if they had just told the job.
		Or what would he prefer the outcome be?
		That they apologize?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because then he would be, then if they took responsibility for it, then he would be mad if they didn't get the direct consequences of admitting, oh, we killed this guy.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think all this is really to illustrate, and this clip's not done, but all this is to illustrate is that Alex is fucking anti-cop in 2009.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's all over the place.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does not like cops.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But slightly pro-murder.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even so much focused on the police officer, clearly in a frenzy, who pulls his gun out, aims at the man's back, and kills him.
		Because you can see the police officer's response where he drops his hand with a gun and starts cussing, going, what the hell?
		What the hell just happened?
		I believe he probably did think it was his taser.
		And I'm trying to be fair here.
		I don't, because I, quote, hate cops, just then go, no, he clearly killed him in cold blood and meant to do it.
		That could be the case.
		We don't know.
		But the way he reacted after he killed the guy, after he shot the poor man who did nothing wrong, looks like he was shocked.
		Doesn't matter.
		You still need to go to jail for manslaughter.
		You need to spend a few years in prison.
		You killed somebody.
		Their life is over.
		They did nothing wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
		This is crazy from such a departure.
		This is nuts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've been doing this show for a long time now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Almost a year and a half now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is crazy.
		Very much.
		That's the first time I've been genuinely shocked in a good long while.
		I am legitimately.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because there's no part of it where he's trying to blame the globalists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no part of it where he's saying he's fake or the thing is fake.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he's not even asserting anything wildly.
		He's even leaving it open.
		He's like, we don't know the facts for sure.
		What we do know is that this man was killed illegally.
		This man should go to prison for it.
		Right, right.
		There's no like, I know he murdered that guy.
		There's no, I know he didn't murder that guy.
		There's no like, it's all a globalist plot to trick us into thinking he murdered that guy.
		And that guy isn't even actually murdered.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just him with a measured, reasonable response.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, it is like maybe giving too far of a berth, too wide of a berth to be like, you know, I believe that he might have thought it was the taser, but this is where he's operating from now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's still within what I would describe as the acceptable realm of conversation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I kind of agree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a kind of conversation that you can have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's wild.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then get this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The issue is studying police agencies, they lie more often than they tell the truth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes even when the truth suits them, they lie.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It is a culture of lying and deceit, and I'm tired of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm fucking hyper-ventilating, dude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cops are liars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a culture of lying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Right.
		What?
		Oh, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's wild.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, I am starting to believe in the globalists because now it is very clear that some shadowy organization murdered Alex Jones, who at this time perhaps was Bill Hicks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then replaced him with the monster that we see now as controlled opposition to make sure that his insanity is ignored.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's an interesting possibility.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'd say Occam's Razor would tell me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cops probably killed him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably.
		Occam's Razor would tell me that he just started taking a bunch of his own supplements and went crazy.
		Maybe not.
		I don't know.
		It's very difficult for me to figure out, like, because this is a huge curveball.
		And to see, like, how does this evolve into the guy we know now?
		Like, this is, like, again, I disagree with this.
		I disagree with this guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He screamed about Colin Kaepernick for months.
unidentified		Months.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For months.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And all he did was just needle on the field.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In protest of a thing that Alex in 2009 is super aware of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Super aware is an issue.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and is advocating for jail time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is bananas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is unprecedented.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you want to become even more sympathetic to him, listen to this next clip.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is all it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're just going to play the intro music.
unidentified		I'm waiting for the clip to do that.
		I'm going to chase the sky forever.
		With the woman and the stallion and the wind.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And the sun is going to burn into a cinder.
unidentified		The sun's going to burn into a cinder.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Before we ever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Still going, huh?
unidentified		Waiting again.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to ride.
		And we're going to ride.
		We're going to ride.
		We're going to ride.
		Ride like the one-eyed jack of diamonds.
		Ride like a one-eyed jack of diamond.
		And we're going to ride.
		Analyst predicts 40% unemployment, no recovery.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Weird transition.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are those the next lyrics on the song?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Willie Nelson doesn't come in with that verse?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Holy shit.
		That's like.
		That's unbelievable to me because, again, it just goes back to that.
		He fucking loves good country.
		He loves the highwaymen.
		I don't know, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that.
		I'm confused.
		I'm out of my game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That pivot is professional level.
		Singing along to We're going to ride to analysts predict 40% unemployment.
		I'm having a great time.
		Now I want to scare you.
		It's so weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm so confused.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like we've started all over again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I have to rewire all of my hatred for Alex Jones, knowing full well that in the past he was less of a piece of shit.
		He's still a piece of shit.
		We've done episodes in this time period before, but this is bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of stuff, and I don't have a lot of clips of these, but there's a lot of stuff that you can trace literal parallels from back then to now.
		Like there's catchphrases that he's using 11 or like nine years ago and still using now.
		Like the alternative media is coming up and the mainstream media's ratings are down.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has like a philosophy of like if someone's being attacked, that probably means they're right, which is consistent all throughout this time frame.
		So there's a lot of things that are really common.
		But yeah, I think what you're more going to have to wrestle with is like, you know, the future.
		Yeah, this isn't because you can't look at this guy without knowing what ends up happening.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've read the end of the day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is baby Hitler all over again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		To some extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever I went back in time and hung out with Baby Hitler for a while.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was very cute.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's it for January 7th.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we get on to January 8th.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nothing else happened?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, it did.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What else was it on?
		How does he just show up in that little spot, and that's all you have from January 7th?
		Was there any context to that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, most of it's really boring.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He talks a lot more about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's really boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just want like some kind of, how did this, now that this is a mystery all over again to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Have you watched Endgame with me?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He talks about the Trans Texas corridor, that road that they're really mad about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, they're pretending it's stopped, but it's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That sort of stuff.
		He has an interview with a guy named Eric Plumley.
		No relation to Tosh Plumley.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What about Mason Plumley?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope, not in there.
		He has an interview with him, and he wants it to be an interview about the government surveilling you and stuff like that.
		Is it?
		Well, no, but Eric Plumley is a surveillance lawyer, but it turns out his specialty is like you trying to bug your wife's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, he's a PI lawyer, isn't he?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So the interview doesn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't go really far because every time he tries to talk about bigger picture stuff, Eric Plumley is kind of like, ah, that's outside of my purview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has an interview with Ray McGovern, who used to be involved in the daily briefings for Reagan and stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's not really all that substantial.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just kind of endgame stuff.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, it does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just trying to get a fuller picture of this man who I have never met before in my entire life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of endgame stuff, and then this very weird position on this shooting of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How long did he talk about it for a long time?
		Or was it just like, I'm going to drop in, give you my thoughts, going to get right back into that road.
		I hate roads.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I would say it's a good half hour at least of the show, maybe even more dedicated to this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But again, there's less empathy for the victim than you want.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he doesn't have empathy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And more anger at the cops.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at least.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm happier with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a road in, at least, which is very, very strange and not like anything we've ever seen from Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it gets even weirder.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is such an alternate universe right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		January 8th gets even weirder.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Listen to this shit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And now I've seen more of this officer's body language up close, and he looks like he's completely out of his mind.
		He's resigned from the force, and now the police are saying, well, we're no longer involved in this because he's resigned, so now it's not our issue, and now Eternal Affairs isn't investigating.
		What does that mean?
		So if a cop murders somebody, either capital murder, premeditated, or whether it's manslaughter, whether it's accidental, and I think clearly it's pointing towards capital murder now.
		This guy's a lunatic.
		I mean, I could see him getting off on an insanity plea, maybe.
		Because you watch him.
		He pulls the gun out, he sights it, and you know the difference between a black, what looks like a Glock or Heckler and Coke, classic standard-issue handgun.
		Looks like 9mm, 40 cal, something along those lines.
		We don't know yet.
		They've kept that secret.
		And he cites it, holds the shot for about two seconds, and shoots the guy in the back.
		Now, I'd said maybe it was taser confusion, but now watching him from a closer video angle off somebody's cell phone camera, he looks like a vampiric demon or something.
		He looks like Bella Lugosi.
		He just, his eyes are completely crazed.
		He looks like a lunatic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's not great, but at least the point is right.
unidentified		You know, like you take this satanic demon stuff out of the way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now that reminds me of the Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		At the very least, he's not a human being.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a literal demon.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Which, again, it's a little cowardly in terms of not allowing humans to take responsibility for their actions and shit like that.
		But at least, like, the point is right, that he watched another video and you can see him citing it.
		And that means that he knew it wasn't a taser.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's the point behind what he's trying to say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, yeah, man.
unidentified		I don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pretty nuts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The idea of Alex Jones revising his theories based on new information is that alone is crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't get this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He didn't even double down on his.
		Yeah, he grew as well.
		He got crazier with it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He modified it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But he did.
		His narrative didn't become more concrete.
		It only got shaken, and his beliefs changed based upon that.
		I can't process this information.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex is not doubling down.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The only Alex I know and understand is the Alex who doubles down and the Alex who waffles like a little bitch.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those are the only two I know.
		The Alex who learns.
		Yeah, cries.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cries.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yell cries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Drunks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gets drunks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		So this position that he's taken on the shooting is really wild.
		And then in the aftermath of the shooting, obviously there were a bunch of protests.
		And people were rightly mad about the situation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now we get back to status quo, Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's definitely against these protests.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the present day, he'd be super against them.
unidentified		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Protest over Bark shooting turned violent.
		San Francisco Chronicle.
		I watched video of it when police started getting in people's faces and telling them to disperse that they were not an authorized permitted crowd.
		They began throwing soda bottles and things at the police car windows.
		They overturned police cars, burned police cars.
		The police began firing rubber bullets at the crowd.
		And you know why the people are doing this?
		They don't like seeing a fellow human being murdered execution style and then the system making excuses for it.
		If you want any respect from the public, you have to punish your officers when they murder people in cold blood.
		But no, you've been caught lying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck?
		You thought that entire time he was ramping up to talk shit about the protesters.
		He was defending them or justifying it.
		Yep.
		This is pretty nuts.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, I had a whole bunch of anger in the holster for today, and now it is gone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I texted you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is just fucking pure shock and confusion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I texted you before the show that I had something really confusing for you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm so confused.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't even, I don't even, what is this show if I think he's advocating for a violent response?
		He's not necessarily advocating, but he's justifying a violent response to police action that is, again, unlawful in and of itself.
		How is this a possible thing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's at very least coherently explaining why that happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Violence is the outlet of the people who can't be listened to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Rioting in the voice of the unheard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
		It's, to me, just incredibly bizarre.
		I don't know.
		It's weird.
		I'm confused.
		And again, I don't know what to do, Dan.
		I don't either.
		So at this point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do we invent time travel?
		Is there like a like if we're if we're going to indulge multiverse theory, which I think is probably true, if we get into a time machine, is there any way that we can talk to the Alex Jones from this time and then put him on a completely different path?
		Like, just butterfly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We don't have the money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just chaos theory, butterfly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We don't have the money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just throw a little rock at him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden he grows into an activist?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, what's going on here?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think it would be possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But, again, I'm not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we just eat his brains and take his strength at this time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not doing this intentionally to butter you up.
		I'm playing you the clips that are relevant in the order they come.
		This next clip made me smile.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing to me?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This next clip.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dan, this is one of the only.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are fucking with my head.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know that we've talked about whenever he listens to Highway Men, it's kind of like, that's a happy Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can hear a couple moments in this next clip where it's like, this is absurdly happy Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'll never forget when I was a teenager in Dallas, other than getting in a lot of fist fights, I was very clean.
		Again, didn't like drugs.
		I tried a few.
		Every time I hated them.
		I liked alcohol.
		We can get our hands on it.
		That was it.
		And they would just call kids in all day long to the office, not just myself, and say, we know you're a drug dealer.
		We know you're stealing stereos, and you're going to work for us now.
		And I said, no, and then they got very upset.
		But, I mean, this is just standard.
		I'll never forget the cops saying, well, if you didn't steal those stereos, I know you're doing something illegal.
		And I was self-righteous and said, yeah, I've stolen beer out of the golf carts.
		That's how teenagers got their beer in Rockwall, Texas, is there were golf courses all over the community in different neighborhoods.
		And before I even had a car or a motorcycle or a moped, we would walk sometimes a couple miles over to our buddies' houses.
		And I only stole beer a couple times, but I had money all the time.
		To the point of not leaving their ice chest in the back of their golf carts.
		And they'd all be in the different golf.
		I'm already digressing with this story.
		The point is, is that I said, yeah, I've stolen beer.
		We know you've done a lot more than that.
		And this was years after I'd stolen beer out of ice chest.
		Can you imagine being 13, 14 years old?
		And you run up, grab a six-pack bottle of wine out of the back of the ice chest, run off in the woods and drink it with your buddies and roll around in the leaves.
		That's about the extent of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and it wasn't convertible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's human.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're rolling around in the leaves?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're drunk like idiots when you're 13, rolling around at the park.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Rolling around in the leaves.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a little bit weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think that one's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it is delightful, but it turns him into a weird elf figure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This isn't over.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Convertible.
		We could go to one Easy Mart, but we had to walk about two miles because the other convenience stores on the main highway by our neighborhood wouldn't sell youth cigarettes, but the Easy Mart would.
		But I did one time that was a convertible open with a pack of Marlborough Reds laying on the dash.
		Let's just have a little confession hour here.
		And I grabbed that pack of cigarettes and I smoked them.
		Hell yeah.
		That's the extent of my great thievery.
		Meanwhile, we're criminals.
		The entire population are criminals, and we deserve it.
		We deserve to be shot in the back because assuredly we did something wrong in our lives, or we deserve to be framed for a murder because, assuredly, we did something wrong in our lives.
		Well, then the police just run around framing whoever they want, stealing houses, stealing homes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, I mean, he's talking about eminent domain there at the end, and we agree with him on that, too.
		But what's interesting to me about that clip is it's two minutes or so of him getting wistful and telling adorable, relatable, human stories about stealing booze as a kid, or like you see some cigarettes in an open car and you scamper off and you smoke them.
		Like, that's so relatable and human and cute.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is downright cute in this world in this world for sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is scampish, and it is, it could be in the movie American Graffiti, but it is cute as fuck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But did you notice there at the end, like, he keeps losing the point of why he's telling these stories?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's having too much fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's caught up in sentiment, and he forgets that he's trying to talk about these rock wall teachers trying to turn him into a snitch or something like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He forgets that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he's what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, he's 34, 33 at this time?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At this point, yeah, yeah, give or take.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Somewhere around there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or 45, we don't actually know his age.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On record, he's 34.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I mean, I'm fascinated by the losing yourself in sentiment, telling these stories, and then needing to get back on track.
		And so he jumps back onto the cops think we're all guilty.
		You know, like that, that's where his mind gets back onto the narrative.
		And it's just, to me, it's like your brain worked better.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This turns me, this turns the whole Alex Jones show now into a weird behind the music for me because this is turned into exactly that narrative.
		Like, he's growing up, he's having a carefree, happy lifestyle, getting into some scampish trouble, gets a radio show, gets a, you know, his daddy gives him all the money, starts to build a little following for himself, gets right around to this time period, really living his best life.
		He's a conspiracy theorist.
		He's spouting nonsense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He pretends he calls himself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's singing with the highwaymen.
		And then at a certain point, he starts to get obsessed with money.
		It's all about money to him.
		And he thinks it's going to make him happier, but it doesn't, Dan.
		The money only adds problems to what's going on.
		More money, more money.
		He cheats on his wife.
		Maybe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We don't know that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We don't know that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's cheating on his current wife right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We don't know that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, your theory is interesting and compelling, and I used to love that show.
		But I would say that you're forgetting that he made Endgame before this.
		That's a good point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was still having fun in Endgame, though.
unidentified		Somewhat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He had his bullhorn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he had a bullhorn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to learn a lot about that bullhorn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want to know the bullhorn's backstory.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to hear a bit of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to learn more about that bullhorn than you want.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to learn about that bullhorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So when I told you I was reminded of January in 2009, it's for a very specific reason.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why we went back to this date specifically to relaunch our 2009 investigation from this point forward.
		And that is because on January 7th, 2009, I will read to you from the Guardian article from that very day.
		Gazprom, the state-owned Russian gas group, today cut off all supplies to Europe traveling through the Ukrainian pipelines, intensifying the political and economic crisis that has arisen out of a payment dispute between the two countries.
		Amid evidence that people in Eastern Europe are being deprived of heating as the Arctic cold snap continues, Russia and Ukraine continue to blame each other for the deadlock.
		Gazprom accuses Ukraine of shutting down the fourth and last open pipeline crossing the country, while officials at NAFTAGAZ, Ukraine's state energy firm, simply said, quote, words fail us.
		Russia supplies a quarter of Europe's gas and 80% of this transits through Ukraine.
		As shortages hit Western Europe and intensify in the south and east, EU governments will meet on Friday to consider sharing supplies held in storage.
		So we'll get more into it after this clip, but suffice it to say, at this point, because of some contractual disputes, on January 7th,
		Russia cut off oil or gas that was most of the supplies for 18 countries that all ran through Ukraine because of disagreements with their financial in terms in terms of any argument public like this in like a large scale.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am immediately going to side with the person who has the least wordy response.
		If the Ukraine's response is like, dude, I don't even know what that guy's talking about.
		I'm immediately like, yeah, Ukraine is right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Words fail us is a strong response.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For real, guys, you can't believe this guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that was on January 7th, and the crisis had been sort of escalating for a few days prior because I believe it was on the 5th that Russia cut off most of the supply, and then on the 7th, cut off all of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What were they doing on the 6th?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was hanging out.
unidentified		Just chilling.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But on the 7th, Alex didn't even bring it up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And on the 8th, he says this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And now, Russia, because of Ukraine threatening to reneg on their lease of a naval port and moving weapon systems up against the border, Russia cut back on some of the basically free gas they've been giving them as a subsidy as part of that deal.
		And so what did Ukraine do?
		They just cut off gas to Europe.
		People could die there, folks.
		I mean, below zero in many of those countries.
		In fact, people are dying.
		The press is reporting.
		You know, I saw a blurb about this in email, and I didn't believe it.
		And I googled it, and it was our very own KVUE Austin TV.
		New law restricts resale of kids' products.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, that was a quick turnaround.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I kept that last part in just to illustrate how quickly he pivots off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was quick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he doesn't fucking talk about it ever again.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He drops that one line, and he's like, hey, and I heard that kids are not allowed to use toys anymore.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In as much as I've listened to, he does not bring it back up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, so he's just, Ukraine is making sure people die.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Kids, they're not allowed to buy toys anymore.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's important to note that he's putting the onus on Ukraine shutting it off.
unidentified		Oh, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, now this is the Alex.
		Now we're back in comfortable territory.
		We are.
		Alex joining with Russia on literally anything is where I am comfortable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But this is very, very strange.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it's so dismissive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's so like, here's a 10-second blurb about this, and then we're moving on to, hey, you can't resell cribs.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can't do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could get hurt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I read a report from the Oxford Institute of Energy Studies about the crisis because I wanted to get a good handle on what the situation was, like, whether it was reasonable in any way for Alex to think that Ukraine was behind the actual shutting off of the gas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because he's insinuating that Ukraine is killing Europeans.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is the worst crime you can commit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to read you some of the salient points from this 60-page report that the Oxford Energy Institute put out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Love their dictionary, by the way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, the night of the 5th of January and early hours of the 6th of January were possibly the key moments in the crisis as far as deliveries to Europe were concerned.
		On the 5th, a televised and rather obviously staged conversation between Prime Minister Putin and Gazprom CEO Miller rehearsed all the Russian grievances against Ukraine and culminated in Putin agreeing with Miller's proposal to reduce the gas flows and instructing him to inform Gazprom's European partners about the reasons for the action.
		At this point, on the 7th of January, the second and more serious stage of the dispute began.
		Gas was cut off completely to countries in southeastern Europe which are 100% dependent on Russian imports and partially to other countries for 13 days.
		The Russian and Ukrainian sides blamed each other, neither displayed great urgency about moving towards agreement.
		It is important to underline the unprecedented nature of this situation.
		Supplies to Europe had never been halted since the gas transit system was built in Soviet times.
		The two sides finally negotiated two new contracts covering supply and transit, which were signed on the 19th of January.
		Gas flows to Europe restarted on the morning of the 20th, and two days later were returning to normal levels.
		So that's sort of just a description of what happened.
		And then they get to their conclusions.
		A crisis in Russia-Ukraine bilateral gas relations is not in itself a surprise.
		Many, including ourselves, had seen it coming as long ago as the summer of 2008.
		The surprise, indeed, the shock, was that both sides allowed the dispute to escalate from disagreements about debts, prices, and transit tariffs to the point where supplies to Europe were completely shut off, and then allowed the situation to continue for two weeks in the middle of winter, with serious adverse humanitarian consequences for especially Southeast European countries.
		We do not believe the often cited desire of the Russian government to use energy as an economic or political weapon against European countries played any part in this crisis.
		Russia's relationship with Europe and the gas sphere is and will remain one of mutual dependence.
		While Europe depends heavily on Russian gas supplies, Russia, which here means both Gazprom and the Russian state, relies heavily heavily on revenues generated from European sales.
		By contrast, the critical Russian decision to cut back deliveries on the 5th of January, Russia did it, was an unnecessarily risky and commercially irrational action at this stage of the dispute.
		That decision may have reflected Prime Minister Putin's anger and frustration and been aimed at punishing Ukraine for its repeated threats to disrupt transit.
		Forty years of Russia's reputation as a secure gas supplier and Ukraine's reputation as a secure transit country have been damaged, probably irreparably.
		The Russian government almost certainly personalized to Prime Minister Putin, which took the decisions which eventually led on the 7th of January to the complete interruption of European supplies through the Ukrainian transit network, should have recognized these consequences and had the option of stepping back.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So if I understand correctly, what they said was Putin threw a tantrum.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like that's the most likely explanation that people who have studied the case on it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, now that you go back and you look at the way that they one of the one of the narratives that emerged with the Russian hacking into the American election and the DNC emails and all of that stuff was really just a very personal I hate Hillary kind of reaction.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So that now makes a lot more sense with that context of him just throwing a tantrum and ruining relations with the rest of the world for a while.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some of that is too easy, I think, a little bit.
		And I think that fits into a, I would say, an incompletely drawn psychological profile that we may want to work off of.
		I think that when you look at more of the details about it, and I don't want to read you guys a 60-page report or anything like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't want you to do that either.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Both sides had fault in this, but the shutting off of the gas was 100% Russia.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They did it in response to failed negotiations between Ukraine and Russia and some things that Russia said Ukraine was doing that do not appear to be true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They were saying that they were stealing gas that was coming through the pipelines, but it appears that most of the stuff that did they get a little hose and they siphoned it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The guy was breathing in real hard and put it in a gas can.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of it is really impossible to prove either way.
		Right.
		But the Ukraine's argument is that the gas that they're talking about is what's called operational gas, which they were using to power the pipelines and create the ability to use the transit flows.
		Right, right.
		So it's like it's the cost of doing business, essentially.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In order to move this gas, we have to use this gas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some of the gas is used in the transit of it.
		And so it's incredibly complicated.
		And I think from everything I can tell, if you look at the reality of it, both sides are 100% at fault for not resolving this when the stakes were so high for people in other countries.
		But also, Russia made the decision to shut off the gas, which Alex is putting the other direction on.
		He's saying that Ukraine shut it off.
		And that is not the case.
		No one would make that argument.
		Even on the 8th of January 2009, no one would make that argument.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Except who?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But see, I hate this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I hate this because obviously we know what the fucking answer is.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, but it still could just be someone who's hyper-sympathetic to the Russian narrative, Russia's worldview, has a boner for Putin to some extent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And what it means to me is that clip where he talked about going on RT and the Russian intelligence agents debriefing him, I think it had to have happened before 2009.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Seems like it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because this narrative would never come out of his mouth if he wasn't super sympathetic to Russia.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, absolutely not.
		It's fascinating to me, just on a pure, like, where would you get this shit kind of level?
		But like, there's no way to read.
		Yeah, exactly.
		The only way to get that narrative is through approved state-sponsored Russian sources.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some of his buddies who hang out with.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, what are we talking about?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		His buddies?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Paul Craig Roberts?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's at the bar in Austin, and they're like, hey, you know, this Ukraine character, they're going all buck wild on this.
unidentified		Possibly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is clearly a Russian narrative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where does he get it unless he is either absorbing and watching Russian television constantly, which is a suspicious thought in and of itself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or if he's got a direct relationship with people whose interests are aligned in that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I still don't think we have any kind of firm evidence that there's a direct relationship past the exploitation of flattery, that they have clearly if Alex's story about that RT debriefing is true, which I'm inclined to believe it is true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As we go further along, I'm leaning more and more towards that's a real narrative.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mostly believe it's true because he's not that creative.
		No.
		A lot of his brags are just, we have millions of listeners.
		The idea of concocting a setup that he fell for, I don't think would occur to him.
		So I don't know, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's next level line.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very tough.
		And this is the reason going back to this specific start point and to see immediately that narrative in the face of the reality is troubling.
		And what's more troubling is to see a completely different man than we know in the present still loving Russia.
		You know what I mean?
		Yeah.
		Like the guy who is mad that the cops killed a black guy who's innocent and didn't deserve to die and all this, and he's mad about it and the cops should go to jail.
		And he's still saying like, hey, Ukraine's fucking up here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why are they fucking with Russia?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Russia can't do wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It means, like, you know what I'm having?
		I'm having the exact same revelation that we did when we did the 2015 thing.
		Like, when we went back and Alex was like, some say Putin will save the world.
		Like, before he became on TV.
		Yeah, yeah.
		When I was surprised by that, it's the same thing.
		I'm super surprised.
		Yeah, I'm super surprised to hear that.
		Something I'm not as surprised about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he perhaps a Russian sleeper agent?
		Are you sure?
		When did his dad move to this country?
unidentified		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of David Jones's it's really tough to figure out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of them is David Bowie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When did he move to this country?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't know that either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you won't be surprised to learn that Alex at this point is still really wanting money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the flavor is so different.
		He hasn't started his pill companies yet.
		And so he's kind of, you know, he's selling DVDs, he's selling books, and he has some sponsors.
		You know, like we've seen some of these weirdos, misshapen jeans.
		We've seen those.
		But on this episode, on January 8th, he's got a fucking real interesting way he's trying to make money.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Another issue, and then we're going to Steve Quayle, is this.
		We moved to the new office completely about two and a half weeks ago, and I had this bullhorn that I use in the movie, A Scanner Darkly.
		I guess I've had it five, six years since the last one got broken.
		And it's the favorite model, this big radio shack model that I found is the loudest for the size.
		And it's been in just countless demonstrations.
		The last one was in Denver.
		We were bullhorning MSNBC for covering up at 9-11 was an inside job outside.
		And they came over, grabbed it, tried to rip it away.
		Then a guy comes up with a knife and cuts it.
		It's on video.
		And so if somebody wants to buy the bullhorn, we have an eBay auction going.
		They can fix that or they can keep it as a classic piece of Liberty memorabilia.
		And the disinfo trolls went into the article on Infowars.com that Kurt Nemo posted, Alex Jones, Tyranny Crusher 1 bullhorn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I watched that eBay!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And they yelled and screamed and said, How dare you be selling this?
		How dare you be profiting?
		How dare you be doing this when we've stated that we're selling the bullhorn to raise money to expand the studio?
		We've built the new radio studio.
		You've seen it.
		It looks great.
		If you're a PrisonPlanet.tv viewer.
		We're building the new studio, but in this economy, we don't have the funds to do this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So even now, you should be getting the sense that he's a man who's living.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He took a bath in the housing crisis.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's possible, but the way he's asking for money, working around money, that's how a human does it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want that bullhorn so bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Freedom Crusher, Tyranny Crusher 1?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's having a garage sale.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want that bullhorn so bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to like how much the bidding gets up to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet it's gone down a lot since then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Spoiler alert, we're going to hear a lot about this bullhorn for the rest of the episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, so his old bullhorn, for which he clearly had a sentimental attachment, was damaged.
		So then he researches bullhorns, finds the loudest model within the best size for him.
		All right.
		Buys that bullhorn.
		Then it gets damaged and he decides: no, I am going to turn this bullhorn into my company's future.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Okay.
		And it seems to work because I don't want to ruin things, but the bidding warns.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If we can track that bullhorn down, I will steal it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Would you believe this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I will steal it like a pack of Marlboro Reds on a convertible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The bidding for this bullhorn gets so intense that the government gets involved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's a spoiler.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is he fucking talking about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's a spoiler for later.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who is mad at him for you can't sell that bullhorn?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing selling that bullhorn?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is he talking about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is the heyday of eBay.
		Rhymes.
		We're going to learn a lot more about this bullhorn.
		But in the meantime, right now, we've got to take a quick break.
		We'll be back in about two minutes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're back.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this bullhorn is going to be right back into bullhorn talk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be a huge player in the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand how that's possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I want to talk to you about the guests a little bit that they have on.
		Look at my notes out here, and I just don't have the inventor of the bullhorn, of course.
		I don't have any clips of them, really, because they're just like the interviews are inconsequential.
		And a lot of it does come back to just like when you listen to 2009 Alex Jones, so much of it is endgame stuff.
		Yeah.
		It becomes very clear to me that Endgame was specifically like a best of documentary that he made.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it was just kind of like he talks about these same things all the fucking time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So just go and watch our Endgame stuff and you'll get most of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so when we did the Endgame documentary, what we wound up doing is ruining the Greatest Hits album.
		Yeah, so that's what's going on.
		But you can't go back and listen to any of the Eagles' regular albums.
		Because you shouldn't, and you shouldn't listen to their Greatest Hits album either.
		But if you're going to, you wind up listening to that one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why this investigation is going to be even greater because we're going to find those deep album cuts like him being mad at the cops for killing him on our man that most people don't get to know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to listen to the songs Fleetwood Mac wrote that weren't written by anybody who was any good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has Steve Quayle on, who we know has written multiple books about how giants used to walk the earth, among other very crack potty topics.
unidentified		He is a ironic for a man named after a very small bird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is a straight-up lunatic.
		He is on and he talks about how it's all just like the end is here kind of stuff.
		Like we're in a martial law state already.
		He has a good quote.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The Patriot Act was already signed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The globalists sacrifice live children.
		If they'll take your guns, they'll take your life.
		That sort of shit.
		Very strong.
		He also wanted to inform everyone that Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, was the successor of Aleister Crowley and was the head of the OTO, the Ordo Tempo Tempo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to get back to Bullhorn talk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has Paul Craig Roberts on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The founder of Reaganomics, as Alex would call him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, a gentleman who's, like, we've discussed, written for Sputnik for years and years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, if you are the founder of Reaganomics, you are an insane person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They mostly just talk about economic collapse and whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were right on time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A little late.
		And they talk about how it's going to get worse.
		And then he has an hour and a half.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Unless there is some sort of massive stimulus package that's passed through Congress that will.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They'd probably be against that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Then he has an hour and a half interview with David Icke.
		And the interview with David Icke is not good.
		Like, it's just boring.
		Like, as much as I want to play clips of David Icke for you, saying nonsense.
		I would love to, but it's just nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He should have been using a bullhorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just the two of them sort of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm starting to understand why he wants to talk about this bullhorn a lot because I'm liking saying the word bullhorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He got a lot of ul in there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The only thing that David Icke said that I thought was like, eee, I mean, he doesn't talk lizards when he's on Alex's show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He keeps that sort of talk close to the vest.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he does say that people like Barack Obama are white people in black bodies.
		And that made me a bit uncomfortable.
		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what that means.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he says he was quoting somebody else, but I couldn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't make out who he was saying.
		And so I just, I don't have the clip of it.
		I would have researched who he was quoting, but it just, he just, I don't know.
		It's a bad interview.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was actually Dennis Haster.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, yo, boy, Belding.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he gets done with David Ike, and then he gets back to the bullhorn.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What is the surprise today?
		Well, it's not Alex Jones, Tyranny Crusher 1.
		This was the first time we ever did an eBay item.
		And the reason we did it is because people are like, well, this megaphone's broken.
		We've bought a new one.
		You've had this one for all these years.
		It's in the movie, A Scanner Darkly that they rotoscope.
		That's really me and the bullhorn in there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We're going to play a clip of that in a moment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to play a clip just to prove that he was in the movie.
		We know you're in the movie, Alex.
		That's not.
		Who cares?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I like it.
		Movie memorabilia.
		Sell it to the hard rocks.
		This isn't the surprise.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Surprise coming up in a minute.
		Tyranny Crusher 1.
		Should we get it fixed?
		Like a $125 megaphone, or should we sell it?
		And obviously, it's a fundraiser.
		We're not saying the megaphone, just as a megaphone, is worth $3,500.
		I think it's the latest bid on there for it.
		We only have it at $1,500.
		There is Tyranny Crusher 1 on the prisonplanet.tv screen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's two important things going on here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's calling the bullhorn Tyranny Crusher 1.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He said that already.
		You didn't catch that?
		It's a great name.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I caught it, but I'm still struggling to wrap my head around that fact.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Trying to wrap your head around it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty good name for a bullhorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's great that he has to keep talking about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like living in a world where you can just say it's a pretty good name for a bullhorn, and everybody's like, yeah.
		And then we move on.
		That's an insane thing to say, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are you not concerned about what the surprise is?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I think the surprise is that this bullhorn is going to sell for a lot of money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When I was going back through my notes, here's the note that I have from this time stamp.
		Alex has a big surprise.
		Also, still trying to sell that bullhorn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, still trying to sell that bullhorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I was going back through, and I'm like, he didn't have a surprise.
		Because I couldn't remember what the surprise was.
		And then I remembered, oh, that's the surprise.
		Charlie Sheen gave him a jacket.
		That's his big surprise.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was in a nice jacket.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the jacket that he wore in Red Dawn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would like that jacket.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Allegedly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It may or may not be true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no way that's true.
		It could be.
		Which jacket?
		So Alex is also Wolverines.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex yells that a bunch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which, again, people did not understand the point of that movie at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex might not either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was an allegory.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But Alex is super excited to tell everyone that he has Charlie Sheen's jacket from Red Dawn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In the context of I'm silver this bullhorn, I will not sell you this jacket.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's what kind of a guy Charlie Sheen is.
		He's such a good man.
		He'll give you this jacket.
		That's what he does for his friends.
		All right.
		And so that ends up leading.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This bullhorn is Tyranny Crusher 1.
		This jacket is heroic death one.
		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that leads him to play some clips from Red Dawn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And now I'm in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It just starts talking.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love this show.
		He starts talking.
		Every time a listener is like, you know, I used to listen to Alex a long time ago because I thought he was funny.
		I'm like, because I never did.
		And I'm always like, this guy is a fucking insane racist monster.
		And now listening back to the 2009, I get it, man.
		This is pretty funny.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Keep in mind.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's playing clips of Red Dawn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But keep in mind that this is like a four-hour show, and I'm playing you 20 minutes of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's all I needed to listen to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		the repetitive commercials i'm not gonna i'm not gonna actually go back and listen to the show but come on a guy who's selling a bullhorn named and not selling a jacket Bragging about his jacket.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is just great radio.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he starts playing some clips from Red Dawn, and then he makes an announcement over them.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he tackles him in the jacket.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Tackle the Ruski.
unidentified		He's so happy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I'm on Russia today during election day.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		For a full hour.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Smooth.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Smooth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like silk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, he tackles him in the jacket.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I'm on Russia today.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For a full hour?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		During election coverage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God, that's so great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That makes me so happy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's so happy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look at how happy he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's pretty good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He is loving watching Red Dawn on the radio.
		This is a man who's getting paid to play clips from Red Dawn.
		That is a happy man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think if anything, Alex Jones, and I mean, we'll see what else we end up learning through this trip through 2009.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think he should live on in everyone's memory, not as a racist propagandist, because he is that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think more importantly to all of our hearts, he should serve as a cautionary tale.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like Icarus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't take Superman Vitality.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's that.
		But also, like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun.
		You know, like, he, whatever it is, it's probably a lust for money or whatever.
		He got money and he wanted more.
		He wanted more.
		He wanted more of the luxury of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He got flattered and he wanted more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He wanted his dad to love him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When the happiest he could possibly ever be is right around here.
		He's making enough money to live.
		He has a fan base.
		He's getting to do whatever the fuck he wants.
		Consequence-free.
		Just say a bunch of shit.
		No one's going to sue him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He owns his own home.
		But he wants a bigger one.
		I don't understand that.
		I don't think that's it.
		Like, for us, getting to the point where it's just like, we have enough donations so you can pay your rent is the happiest we're ever going to be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, we can.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everything from here is going to be garbage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, we could get happier, but like the idea of being rich doesn't charm me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it sucks.
		Clearly.
		Like, this is great for us.
		If we ever do become successful, immediately we're both going to be like, no, no, no, you can't turn into that guy.
		You guys can have Tyranny Crusher one through five.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, we don't need it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This might not be the best time to tell you this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm selling a broken megaphone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's the name?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't have a name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's fun to name megaphones, just bullhorns.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, what's the difference between a bullhorn and a megaphone?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A megaphone is just that tube that you put your mouth at the base of and it amplifies your voice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like a vuzela?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you're talking about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't blow into it.
		It's just like a cone, basically, that you yell at him.
		Whereas the megaphone has electric parts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The bullhorn, you mean?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Turns out I don't know the difference.
		Anyway, you know what I do know?
		Alex Jones is a fucking insane gold salesman in 2009.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The level.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can wear him as pants.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The level to which he is incorporating Vitas Resources without disclosing their relationship.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean that they own him entirely?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's crazy.
		Okay.
		Like, he ends almost every show with Ted Anderson coming in and telling him about what bouillon he's bought.
		Like, hey, I got a couple of francs that need to go.
		I got some buffalo coins.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Man, that is like the host of a major TV show on Fox News, bringing in a lawyer that he has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Never mind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just crazy on ethics.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No correlation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, and I want to stress, like, he had done a half-hour interview with Paul Craig Roberts just about the economy collapsing and stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so now towards the end of the show, at about the, like, you know, we're a good three and a half hours into the show now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He brings in Ted.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		In closing, again, we're trying to fund this operation.
		The reason we're able to expand or maintain, I'm kind of wondering if we can expand or just maintain with the economy the way it is.
		We need more funds.
		And I hope you won't get the books and videos and materials and also support our sponsors.
		And one of them is the place I buy precious metals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, he says that they're a sponsor, but that's not really accurate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've looked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've looked a little bit into the FTC's guidelines in terms of how you're supposed to represent sponsorships and stuff like that.
		And spiritually, I think this is a crime.
		I legitimately, I can't say for sure, and it's going to take a little more research on my part.
		But the fact that he's being syndicated by the guy's company and not disclosing that, that is an unfair representation of their relationship.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Sinclair Media.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who cares?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And Ted has still got gold at $60, $70, some of the pieces, $80 under the price it's selling for.
		Gold is fucking busy.
		By now, I write at $15 today from yesterday.
		And you heard Dr. Paul Craig Roberts say we will have a depression worse.
		He never talked like that, the father of Regonomics.
		So I wanted to bring Ted on.
		Ted Anderson here in about a week.
		Ted, you've got the super deal for people.
		Tell folks about it.
unidentified		I did.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		I was able to even back down a little bit on the British sovereigns and francs right now.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		I've got the French franc a 204 and the British sovereign a 252.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So where is that price in the market?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Like 760?
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, comparatively speaking, I did a little check on it and I was looking to see where I. That's really boring stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the point that I wanted to keep in the end there was that Alex is like talking price points.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's very aware of the business.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's very wait.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me that you're selling gold 35% of what it is that it would be on the market?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How can you get away with these prices, Dan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're in crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to put a clock on this.
		We're going to have to put a clock because we're going to sell out of gold.
		We're going to sell out of French francs.
		I don't know if those are gold, but that's fine.
		You got an hour.
		Call in now.
		We're going to sell out.
		This is not like we have a suite of samurai swords, which are made out of francophiles.
		Not even French francs, but people who like France.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This isn't close to acceptable broadcast behavior.
		It's whenever you like, if Alex is slightly unaware of the business and just letting Ted talk, having a TED talk, that would be slightly different.
		But he's doing it like a like, I mean, it's not funny, but it's like a vaudeville routine.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The two of them are going back for it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very weird.
		So that's the end of the eighth.
		And now we jump into the ninth.
		And Jordan, if you have been confused up till now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How is this going to get more confused?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is going to get so much worse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How much did the bullhorn cost?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get to it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It still hasn't finished?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bullhorn's still in play.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bullhorn's still in play.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at the beginning of this show, Alex Jones talks about a president who Donald Trump is a big fan of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex is a big fan of in present day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you're talking about Andrew Jackson.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hitler gave speeches about it, wrote about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was president.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He had his policies for death camps and rounding up populations, non-Aryan groups in Russia and all over Europe from the American Indian program here in the United States.
		And of course, that adopted a lot from those that invented it, the British, the concentration camp.
		It was Andrew Jackson who turned around and did some of the same stuff to Native Americans.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not a laughing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, the giggle's not great, but the awareness there is that Andrew Jackson is in league with Hitler.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's very weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So the problem here is that this suggests that he actually does know something about history at this point in time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like he, like, for all the times we talk about how he's read all of these sources and he just willfully lies about them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He probably heard before 2009.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's possible.
		But that's the thing, like, on the stupid/slash evil continuum that we often disagree upon, wherein we're talking about, you know, is his reading comprehension so low?
		Is that the real issue?
		And that's why he misunderstands all of these things.
		Now, if you get, if you can read the history of Andrew Jackson and get that he is a fucking monster and then report that like a reasonable human being, that suggests that later on you are willfully lying about Andrew Jackson and all of this shit.
		You are willfully lying about all of these primary sources that you say you understand because you can.
		It is within your capability to recognize that America is genociders.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I don't think it's that cut and dry because that's such a simple conclusion to come to.
		You know, like you could read a children's coloring book and find out that Andrew Jackson was a genocider.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We should publish a series of knowledge fight coloring books that talk about real American history.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, that would be brutal.
		It's very unmarketable.
		But, you know, like that, that to me that doesn't indicate too much in terms of what's that children's book?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Go the fuck to sleep?
		Yeah, yeah.
		I think America's version would be Go the Fuck to Hell, something along those lines.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Go the fuck to democracy.
		Exclamation point.
		So, Jordan, you're asking questions about that bullhorn.
		And I am thrilled to tell you that I have answers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Always asking questions about that bullhorn.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		By the way, the Alex Jones Tyranny Crusher 1 bullhorn got mentioned on eBay only a couple days into a seven-day bid is over $50,000 right now.
unidentified		Wow.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now somebody won for $5 million and then bragged that it was fake.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We just Googled their handle and found out that it was part of a government group.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Government-affiliated group.
		Laughing openly saying they wanted to screw it up, but we just canceled their bid, and it's a legitimate cancellation because we have their own handle, their own admission, where they're admitting that they are and even posting their bidding details on the web, posting the evidence of their felony.
		We went and looked it up.
		Memory told me it was a felony.
		Over $10,000 federal in Texas.
		It's above 6,000 for state felony, but I don't know what state this individual's in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		States can't have felonies, right?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You can always subpoena those, but it looks like we'll be able to handle those problems.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've talked to eBay now, and they did say that if these people did succeed, that there would be criminal charges.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they put a bid in on the bullhorn.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're not going to be successful in their criminal activities.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're admitted criminal activities, but they're doing important work, of course, for CENTCOM, so it's okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is CENTCOM?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Central Command.
unidentified		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He believes that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's less fun than I was hoping.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He believes that a government agency was trying to fuck with him by putting in a troll bid for $5 million for his broken bullhorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I prefer a government that does that, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I prefer a government that is willing to troll Alex Jones in that fashion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand that Cointel Pro is a thing and infiltration exists and that sort of stuff.
		I get that.
		Don't get me wrong.
		That is not lost on me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, yeah, but Edgar Hoover was like, hey, I'll buy your notes on the I Have a Dream speech for $5 million.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, this is like, you know, 2009 is where you're getting beginnings of people figuring out really good ways to fuck with people on the internet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And maybe Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was a happier time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And maybe Alex's world kind of coalesced a lot of those people for and against him.
		And someone was just fucking with him on eBay.
		I think that's the absolute most likely thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was not a government agency, but it was a 14-year-old.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that does not stop Alex from spiraling to a vicious rant about these people on the internet who are fucking with him.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and if you didn't know that you've got some CENTCOM and FBI guys in there with you, I know some of you are just fellow traveler lobotomy-type folks.
		Oh, those lobotomies.
		You're going to have heads.
		Your mothers didn't breastfeed you, and then you drank fluoride, so your brain's tiny and got rot holes in it.
		Oh, you didn't know that.
		Of course, you'll just laugh.
		You'll go, well, my mom didn't breastfeed me.
		That's true.
		But you won't Google and read the BBC and Associated Press about your brain being 15 to 30% smaller, depending on the study, people weren't breastfed.
		You'll just laugh and stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It does depend on the study, doesn't it?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But I guarantee you, mama puts you in a crib in dirty diapers and didn't take care of you.
		And that's your problem.
		And I'm sorry they savaged your mind so that you couldn't connect your intellect with your soul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And this is an is that like teleportation without a soul?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A little bit along those lines?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is another point that I need to bring up that I have discovered from watching this 2009 shit.
		Alex has been against Satan the whole time.
		There was a part of me that I used to listen to his show.
		Yeah.
		You know, like when I was younger, and it would be like, oh, these conspiracies are wild and kind of fun and everything.
		But like, I didn't understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did you put in that bid?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, did you put in that bid?
unidentified		No, no.
unidentified		Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I did not work for CENTCOM.
unidentified		Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I didn't understand that he was fucking against Satan from the jump.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I didn't realize that this is a decade ago.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course he's against Satan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't talk about it much, but he's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Satan is ostensibly a bad character.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, but I thought that that was a newer wrinkle in his world.
		Like his cosmology, the, oh, there's devil, the literal Christian devil behind all of this.
		It's there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, I assumed immediately, the moment you bring up the devil, you've always been bringing up the devil.
		At the end of the day.
		There's nobody who just suddenly starts bringing up the devil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You've always been against the devil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People who are born again at like 40 or something like that who get uh you know they change, yeah, but he clearly wasn't born again.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is shit that he's grown up with.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's probably true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet in early 2000s.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet he has a grandma who talked about the devil non-stop.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I bet in early 2000s he wasn't like overtly talking about Satan's behind all these people I don't like.
		He has an hour interview at the end of this show with a guy named Satan Alan Watt.
		Not Alan Watts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not the Alan Watts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, Alan Watts is the other guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alan Watt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The guy who Alex talks to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not the guy who's interested in Taoist philosophy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not the inspirational speaker that you find videos of giving flowing speeches about human potential on YouTube.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, Alan Watt is a guy who believes in the Illuminati.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And is probably similar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's probably behind a lot of Alex's endgame beliefs, honestly, because every time he comes on the show, it's just the plot of endgame.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And on this appearance here on the 9th, January 9th, 2009, he is literally talking about the Christian devil being behind all of the problems.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Lucifer.
		Yes.
		The fallen star.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And so, like, it's just, that blew my mind.
		And so when he's talking about your intellect not being connected to your soul, there's so much there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's surprising to me that all it takes to connect the intellect to the soul is breastfeeding.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Breast melted.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That seems suspicious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would like to see a peer-reviewed study on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends based on the study.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Depends.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got 15 to 30% more soul if you've been breastfed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the soul quotient depends on study.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's not done complaining about these people launched into this tirade by the troll bid on his EAR.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so now he talks about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's because of fluoride.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's about not breastfeeding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not breastfaking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then he gets into some groups of people he hates.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They pumped you full of yourself and told you you were the elite and got you all arrogant and slack-jawed and smiley-faced.
		You know, the spirit I'm talking about.
		The attitude.
		Devil.
		The cowardly attitude of these little metro sexual men out there today and all of these screening psycho-worldly women.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, those women.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Who have had more abortions than they've paid for?
		I don't know, bought cars in their lives.
		They get an abortion every two years and get a new car every two years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who gets a new car?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You didn't care about that baby?
		Well, the elite doesn't care about you either, honey.
		That baby wasn't a human being.
		Well, you're not either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, oh, a lot of that goodwill we were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're back in comfortable territory.
		Homophobic, misogynistic.
		I'm a kid.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		Oh, these women with their abortions.
		I've only paid for like 15 of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How many cars have you bought this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, something like that.
		Every two years.
		Every two years I pay for another abortion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's nuts, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a boat that's a little bit more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now we're right in there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now the storm has passed, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, remember when people used to complain about metrosexuals?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		That was more interesting.
		That was a fun time.
		That was a fun time.
		Oh, these men are acting like they're not from the 50s.
		Oh, with their genes.
		Dan, their genes fit.
		You should get random jeans.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Spell jeans.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I got it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
unidentified		All right, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Spell jeans.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're going to get a negative one point for that.
unidentified		Jordan, I don't know how to do this, do you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't know what to do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones' first guest on the 9th is a guy by the name of Russell Means.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does that name mean it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Spell Means.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		M-E-A-N-S.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is a Native American activist who's been doing sit-ins and occupations of like Alcatraz, other locations since the late 60s.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So far I'm on board.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is a gentleman who believes in like Lakota rights and original peoples.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Still good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He and I are getting along so far.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But here's the thing: he's on Alex's show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not a great sign.
unidentified		No, but it's weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not a great sign.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It goes back to him being mad at the cops.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But it's like when the reasonable scientist was on a show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember that one?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dean Adele.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, Dean Adele.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Man, never going to not think he's Dean Adele.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at least Dean Adele was like Dean Adele was at least he is a broadcaster.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he was utterly bewildered by Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have good news and bad news about Russell Means.
		Okay.
		I support him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that he has a lot of good ideas, and I support them in terms of Native American issues.
		Okay.
		First Peoples issues.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You are really trying to cover your bases here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but throughout the interview, he gets into like, it's the Rothschilds and something like, oh, no.
		All right, here we go.
		But at the same time, in 2009, Alex was willing to have someone who has made their entire life about trying to get rights for a minority group, which is, again, crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what do you view somebody like?
		If we have a massive speaker, like somebody who is tirelessly campaigning for equal pay for women, and they just will not fucking give it up, and they do so much good in their life.
		But then at a certain point, you find out it's like, and the reason that I've been campaigning for women is because everyone who doesn't campaign for women is controlled by the devil.
		And you're like, ooh, I support what you're doing, and I'm just going to look over.
		I'm going to look over this one part where you think it's the devil.
		Because at the end of the day, it could be the devil.
		It could be Paul Ryan.
		It doesn't matter.
		They're all evil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're looking at the wrong thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not concerned about where Russell's motivation comes from.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or whatever dumb ideas he's become beholden to late in life.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't think he was on that tip in the mid-late 60s when he was an activist.
		And throughout his life, he was an activist.
		I'm not going to take that away from him.
		I will say that I did not have time to do a massive deep dive into Russell Means' life, but from what I could gather, a lot of it was...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Russell Means' life sounds like a great name for...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His website was Russell Means Freedom.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, I like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's clever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I don't judge the Rothschild narrative becoming a piece of his thing.
		I'm not.
		I don't give a shit about that.
		I'm concerned with the idea that in 2009, Alex Jones had a Native American activist on the show, and he was like, yep, absolutely.
		He was like, he was on board.
		He wasn't talking about how it's a plan to separate us and balkanize us, divide and conquer these Native Americans who want rights.
		It's all the globalists just trying to make white people feel guilty.
		It wasn't anything like that.
		He was talking to him from a position of like, I agree with you.
		And that's nuts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is nuts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, this next clip is even more nuts.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But I want to shift gears in the time we have left with him on the parallels between what's happening with the Gazans because they're dead and dying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right now.
		Gaza children found with mothers' corpses.
		The New York Times.
		The International Committee of the Red Cross said Thursday it had discovered shocking scenes, including small children next to their mother's corpses.
		Well, at least it was wounded knee.
		They killed all the kids, too.
		When his representatives gained access for the first time to parts of Gaza battered by Israeli shelling, it accused Israel of failing to meet obligations to care for the wounded in the combat areas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that part where he's talking about at least they killed the children.
		That's dark bananas.
		That's dark human.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That one I'm just going to pass over.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you should.
		That's just him.
		That's just going to pass.
		I think you should.
		I got you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I got you now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It took me a second.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was getting defensive.
		All right.
		That's nuts.
		And I think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who is this man?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who is this man, Dad?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's so many other.
		There's a couple other instances that were too garbled and way out of context.
		We'd have to listen to much longer clips in order to get the sound bite to make sense.
		But there are a number of other points where he's fucking critical of Israel.
		And the thing I want to take away from this clip is a very strong message to all of the people out there who claim that Alex Jones refuses to talk about Israel.
		Go fuck yourself.
		He does.
		At least in 2009, I don't know how this changes over time or whatever, but like him saying they're killing the Gaza, the people in Gaza, like that's as far as you need to go for at least a first step.
		That's something that if he was, as his critics, his anti-Semitic critics, alleged that he works for Mossad, he would never fucking say something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, even more bananas, most, if not all people, no matter how liberal that they were or profess to be at that time, were still avoiding the talk of Israel's war crimes as much as humanly possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, it doesn't matter who you were back then.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's a 98% chance you were like, ooh, I'm not talking about Israel.
		The fact that Alex is at that, oh man, this is so weird.
		The fact that Alex Jones is literally coming out and saying that Israel is committing war crimes at a time period where Obama would not even talk about that shit.
		If you brought up Israel, Obama at that time would have been like, you know, and then moved on as fast as possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And what's even more fucked up is, like I said, there are more clips of him on that tip around this time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to deal with this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
		I don't either.
		And I think it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It almost feels like we need to do a spin-off show about Alex in 2009 that is not related to the Knowledge Fight show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because this is a completely different person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, that's what the show is from now on.
		I don't care about the present.
		Like, it's just, like we said in the last episode, it's all distractions.
		It's all this obfuscating and dumb.
		Like I would much rather figure out where does the breaking point come.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it has to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't Trump.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, we proved that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When we went back to 2015, he was a fucking monster.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Before Trump.
		He was saying that the day after the Charleston shooting, he said, well, this guy really wanted to be racist.
		He should have been an abortion doctor.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That guy was already there in 2015.
		So it had to have been something before that where it just everything went wrong.
		Because as much as much as this guy that we're listening to in 2009 does suck.
		He sucks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because you're seeing him shit on women who've had abortions when he secretly had 10 at this point and admit to it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So many.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's garbage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's yelling about how, like, oh, if you're a critic of mine, you just weren't breastfed.
		Right.
		He's a dick, and he's clearly a manipulative gold salesman/slash broken bullhorn salesman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the narrative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is a tough job to get.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is really hard to become a broken bullhorn salesman.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like a hard double major.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's super hard to get.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the narratives that we're seeing, you know, like with the cop shooting of Oscar Grant, with him talking about Israel bombing people in Gaza and its murder.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those sorts of things are things you could talk about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like nowadays, nothing he talks about, you can talk about.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a conversation.
		It's just like I've talked about so many times: like, if you are on the right, it's not like I hate conservatives or right-wing people so much as it is like they should just be ignored because if you can't have a conversation about what the best way to tackle climate change is, if you aren't willing to be like, well, here's how we should tackle it versus how you want to tackle it, that's a conversation.
		If you just say, nah, it doesn't exist, then fuck off, go away.
		Like, this is an Alex Jones where you're like, okay, well, how do we tackle this police brutality issue?
		How do we tackle the unchecked fucking power of these people, which is clearly based in a white supremacy that we're just not past?
		This is an Alex who you can actually have a conversation with about how to correct these issues because he notices what the issues are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can go to the side of the street.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand.
		Yeah, I don't understand how it is this guy goes from that.
		Is it really just team sports?
		Is that all it really is?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Like, is it just that people have turned...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From whatever advanced knowledge I have of the other episodes I've listened to in 2009, I don't know.
		Okay.
		I don't know.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is going to be wild.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the I'm going to have to recalibrate my entire belief system now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we've got to keep this fresh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Isn't this more funny?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is super weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I am scared.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So don't be scared.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this next clip, Alex Jones says something very insulting about Native Americans to this Native American activist.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, at least the glass bead wampum had some visual value, but was still a scam to sell New York.
		Now they just show you an empty box and say, look at how beautiful it is, and we sell our whole souls, sell our future.
		So people make fun of the Native Americans, you know, buying the pretty blue and red glass beads and nails and knives and hair combs.
		But, I mean, we've sold our souls for nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would argue that the people who you make fun of or you're pointing the finger at are the people who offered the beads.
		I think that's more the lesson of history: look at these shitty white dudes manipulating people.
		I don't know if Alex is getting the wrong lesson from very basic history, but it seems like he might be thinking that everyone's laughing at the Native Americans for accepting that as opposed to anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is I if you if you follow if you followed my feelings throughout this whole thing, it would be the EKG of a man having a heart attack.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'm going up and down so fucking!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you did hear Russell laugh.
		Yeah, he's he, there's good spirit behind it.
		It's not like he's saying this, and he's like, hey, fuck you, man.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a mess.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So a little later, Alex Jones has a visit from someone we know very well, a dear friend of ours.
unidentified		That's such a weird thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just the idea of a man who still who says wampum.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just that concept.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's not like a hack bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You hear wampum sometimes in jokes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, this is a man who's like wampum is a totally legitimate thing to say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think he was using it for effect.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I think he uses it conversationally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		We don't have enough context.
		I would argue, and I think that it's the same thing as him saying, hey, at least at Wounded Knee, they killed all the children.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's dark comedy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think it's that same sort of thing.
		I don't think he's saying it in any insulting way.
		I think he's saying it with a wink and a nod.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't go that far.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm giving out a leeway because of the other stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he's saying it with a wink and a nod.
		I think he's saying it in pure ignorance of like, well, there's nothing wrong with saying wampum.
		That's a normal thing that happened in 1940s Looney Tunes cartoon.
		So it's clearly fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		I don't know.
		Anyway, we get a visit on the show from a buddy of ours.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		An old friend.
unidentified		Jesus.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stevie Larry Nicks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Still haven't seen him in 2009 yet.
unidentified		Oh, when does he show up?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He should be creeping around somewhere.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When does he show up?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's in play.
		Steve Pieczenik is in play at some point soon.
		These guys are part of Alex's world.
		We haven't seen them.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're coming.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People like Paul Craig Roberts, people like Gerald Salenti are much more regular guests at this point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But those dudes have to show up at some point pretty soon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would think.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I eagerly await it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's the problem.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		With the first Pachenek appearance, that's going to be a banner day for us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With this stream that I'm getting all these episodes from.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why I'm on this show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're an asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nothing is labeled in terms of the episodes.
		It just has the dates and stuff like that.
		So I know nothing going in listening to these episodes.
		Thankfully, at this point in Alex Jones' broadcast career, he starts every show by being like, well, today we're going to be talking to X, Y, and Z.
		He starts, and so I can get a sense of classic radio.
		He never does that anymore.
unidentified		But that's the secret of 2017.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With modern episodes, you know, up to about 2013 or so, you can find them on YouTube.
		And I can just see who the guests are and be like, ooh, Hamamoto, let's do this thing.
		Whereas now, I'm like, I'm flying blind.
		To the chat room, Rappaport, I think, is not in play.
		I think he came around in like 2013 or so.
		I think.
		I'm not entirely sure.
		But, boy, if Rappaport shows up randomly, that'd be exciting as well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's turning into such a weird, like, origin story.
		This is like his blue period.
		Like, this is such a weird artist character arc throughout this whole thing.
		This is bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what it is?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is when Alex was into realism.
		This was when Alex was into postmodernism.
		This is when Alex was a pointalist.
		Like, this is bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's, it's, what's fascinating is I think that we have tapped into, to some extent, a villain's origin story.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because at this point, you do see the remnants, or not remnants, or they only are seeds.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're only remnants because we know the future.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're seeds.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You see the kernels of rationality.
		You see the kernels of, like, oh, all right, you're thinking.
		And then you see the kernels of delightfulness with the sing-along with the highwaymen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The talking about stealing beer out of carts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, and this whole.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is Jack Nicholson's Joker, is what this is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a great movie, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		And so as this goes along, I think what we're going to see is a man get worse and worse and worse.
		And I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's no other direction for this to go.
		Either that or for some reason, like somehow, let's say we continue this investigation, and it turns out in 2010, he peaks in this weird, like woke, in his words, classical liberal concept, and he's fucking crushing it, and then something bad happens to him.
		Like, he falls into a vat of acid.
		Something along those lines.
		Like, something horrific has to turn him into the monster that he is today.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he got hit by a meteor or, again, was murdered by the globalists and replaced with an Alex Jones chimera.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have called it right now, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's your prediction.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones, that we know today, was grown in a tank of a cow uterus or whatever it is he thinks they are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm very confused because I try and think about life events that have happened, and certainly the divorce was a big event that happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Didn't help.
		But I don't think when was that?
		Like 2015.
		2015?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's when it was formalized.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, it could have been falling apart for a while before that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they always do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that would actually be the least appealing narrative to me if we go back and it turns out that around when the marriage fell apart, that is when everybody's going to be able to do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He lost his mind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because then it's just like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would be such a bummer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is just a sad, huge story.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's such a bummer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you kind of want it to have more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's got to be some drama.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But who knows?
		We'll see.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, who's our friend?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who's our friend?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who's our friend?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who our friend is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're the one who runs this fucking show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you 20 questions to figure out who our friend is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he white?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		No shit.
		How dare you even ask that?
		It's like we're playing Guess Who all over the place.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I was just thinking the same thing.
		Is he a pseudoscientist?
		No.
		Is he a climate denier?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Debatable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's not essential to his character.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is he a player?
		Is he a player in the game?
		Is he like a secret agent type?
		He doesn't have any insider information.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he former law enforcement of any kind?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of, and not that matters.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like that doesn't come into the middle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he Hamamoto?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I haven't said his name yet in the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then now I don't even fucking know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let me just.
unidentified		Oh, wait.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not today.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, then fuck it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Keep going.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, you go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't have any more questions.
		Yes, you do.
		I have so many more questions.
		I just have too many questions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Get there.
unidentified		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can do this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe in you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he a member of a former Republican administration?
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Never been in politics.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Never been in politics.
unidentified		Not that I'm aware of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's been on our show exactly one time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, how the fuck am I supposed to know?
		I don't even remember it.
		We talked to Stevie Larry Nixon.
		I forget his name half the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very memorable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it Charlie Sheen?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is it.
		No, I got nothing.
unidentified		Come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just tell me.
		Just tell me.
		Don't draw this out.
		Don't draw this out.
		Don't make me feel stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the guy who said that he saw Reagan get butt-fucked.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, goddammit.
		I was actually going to make a reference to that earlier in the show.
		God damn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's Bob Chapman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bob Chapman.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The international forecaster.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bob Chapman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is a guy who runs a publication called The International Forecaster where they give a bunch of predictions about stuff.
		And hey, guess what we didn't realize from the times we've listened to him?
		He is just a fucking shill for gold sale.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No!
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		I think the only true place to be for safety is gold and silver-related assets.
		And if you are a wealthy person and you want to have 20 or 30 or 40 percent of your assets in another safe place or a relatively safe place, I have recommended Swiss fran treasuries.
		Other than that, I don't have anything to offer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it's get in gold or silver or Swiss bank account.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Reagan getting fucked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Swiss bank accounts.
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		Those are the safe places to put your money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Bob.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Bob.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you're coming on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that all he talked about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're coming on a conspiracy theorist show who is owned by a gold and silver sale operation and fraudulent, a notoriously fraudulent gold and silver sale operation.
		Someone who has lost his license about six years after this.
		It's been sued multiple times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It takes a long time for the government to actually screw with rich people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's been committing the crimes for a long time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so he comes on and says the only safe place for you to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Only safe place.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Only safe place.
		Swiss bank accounts.
		Right.
		Which agreed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that agreed?
		Yeah.
		Don't you Cayman Islands it now?
		Don't you do something like that?
		Don't you set up a shell corporation?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Megan, fuck with you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like the Miami Marlins have a Shell corporation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They have an office set up in fucking nowhere with nobody who does it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Too risky.
		So anyway, you know, you want to sell gold and silver.
		Bob's got a recommendation for you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's Bob's recommendation?
unidentified		How you doing, Bob?
		What I wanted to ask, Bob, pretty much, is it even worth us paying?
		I know it's pretty stupid, but I mean, just asking, since the money is pretty much going to amount to nothing, is it pretty much even worth paying most of these bills and credit card debts and all these sort of things that the American people are going to be having to deal with?
		I mean, if the money is pretty much going to be worth nothing at all?
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to understand that the people that you owe the money to are still going to be within the system.
		There is going to be some kind of a system.
		Maybe it'll break down from time to time, but you're still going to have to pay it off.
		And just because the value of the dollar goes down, it still means that you have to pay those bills.
		The way you protect yourself is to call Midas and purchase gold and silver coins.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Too overt.
unidentified		No!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Too overt.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was almost giving great financial advice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was really close to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, because that wasn't good advice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's just don't be an idiot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		That's what I'm saying.
		On Alex's show, that qualifies as the best advice anybody's ever given.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your debts don't disappear because of bad times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's a reality check.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I still pay my credit card bill.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the world is going to last another 10 years, but I don't want to get fucked over before then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a reality check in some, like, to people who are too far gone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the other thing is the answer is call Midas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's not great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's too fucking overt.
		That is too much.
		So this interview goes on a little while.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's some full-on Better Call Saul type shit right there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This interview goes on a little while.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which, by the way, they, speaking of which, they fucking confiscated like 16 burner phones from Michael Cohen.
		That is some for real better call saw type shit right there.
		You saw it in Breaking Bad whenever he opened the drawer with 16 burner phones.
		That's a guy who was the lawyer for the president.
		I find that hilarious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The limit on phones is three for me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For burner phones?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Humans.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Humans.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For humans.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For human phones?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Three phones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can have three phones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you have 16 phones, why do you have 16 phones?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Three phones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And one of them is in your house.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One of them's a house.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One's a landline.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe you got to call into radio shows or something like that.
		It's a better connection.
		You know, that sort of thing.
		I've heard people talk about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that from people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they don't want to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just get a solid VoIP.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But look, I'll accept that as one phone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's one phone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Personal cell.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wireless cell.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Business.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got three?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		That's it.
unidentified		More than that, you have committing crimes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		To quote Mr. Arnaz, you got some splaining to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It seems like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll go for so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll go for.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll go four with the fourth being a wild card that I can't explain, but someone has a good explanation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you're cheating on your wife.
		Something like that.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I have an affair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whoa, that's fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
		Yeah.
		That sounds fun.
		Yeah.
		Four makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Five, you're crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		16?
		That seems like more than enough circumstantial evidence for any jury to convict you of literally anything.
		It's like, this guy had 16 phones.
		They're like, oh, yeah, he probably did some illegal shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's one of those times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He had 16 phones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What kind of human being has 16 phones that isn't committing a crime?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's one of those times that I wish this argument would hold up in court.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly, right?
		Come on.
		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You put your elbow down on the juror box as a lawyer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got 16 phones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Guys.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Objection, Your Honor.
unidentified		Hey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sustained.
		Your Honor?
		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let's have a sidebar.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they take some more calls.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got 16 fucking phones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They take some more calls.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And as much as we've enjoyed Alex being mad at the cops about how they killed an unarmed black man, which we've enjoyed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Uncharacteristic reasonability.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It turns out that some of that might have more to do with hating the cops in 2009.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He got pulled over, didn't he?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He got some kind of ticky-tack bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I think it just, I'm not entirely sure that I can't explain it, but I do know that it's not that he cares about black people.
		Yeah, well, because listen to this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's some good news.
		Here's some good news.
		I went to the mall because the lady who cuts my hair is in the mall.
		I don't normally go to the mall.
		Don't really like that culture.
		But I'm in there, and I had three separate black guys, two of them working at Lil Kios, stop me and go, you know, I always liked you for years, but kind of got upset at first when you didn't like Obama.
		But I want to basically apologize.
		You were right about Obama, and I can see his betrayal, so give them some time.
		The people who won't wake up is just white yuppies because they're just so arrogant.
		They're so trusting in the system.
		Bob Chapman, you want to comment on that?
bob chapman ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's perfect.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Reagan got buckfucked.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's perfect.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the reason that I think that that is racist in character is because he says that he doesn't like the culture of malls and then immediately is like a bunch of black people come over and told me that they're sorry about criticizing me for liking Obama or not liking Obama.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not get that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The fact that his mind went so quickly to apologetic black people coming up to him in the mall after he said he didn't like the culture of the mall.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The culture of the mall thing did not bother me at all.
		I don't like the culture of the mall.
		Has nothing to do with race?
		I think the race issue comes up when he specifically says three black people in his traditional style of this is a made-up thing, and I have to specifically point out minorities in order to bolster my credibility as though I have any amongst minorities.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I also think from context clues, and even though we're so thrown by this man in 2009, I still think I understand his brain pretty well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, he's still a virulent racist.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And when he says, I don't like the culture of the mall, I think he's responding to black people being at the mall.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what he said.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he so quickly is saying, because he, okay, if you listen to that clip, he starts with, here's the good news.
		I don't like the culture of the mall, but I was at the mall because I had to get a haircut, and black people came up to me and apologized.
		Right.
		The track of that sentence leads a person, a reasonable, thinking person, to assume that the culture he doesn't like in the mall has something to do with the black people.
		The visible black people there to him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can see that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Generally, he doesn't like it when black people don't apologize to him at the mall when he's there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the good news is the last time he was there, three of them did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's how I parse the sentence.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I get that.
		I understand that.
		I'm going to be honest, though, my own personal biases.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I also don't like malls.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My own personal biases came out, and I was like, oh, he doesn't like the youths.
		Right.
		He watched mall rats in the 90s and he was like, oh, I hate malls.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're all going to try and put shit on my pretzels.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, what do you mean you don't like the culture of malls?
		You get your hair cut in a mall.
		You can get your hair cut anywhere.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There are so many places.
		There's salons down the street from your fucking Austin, you dad.
		Come on.
		What are you talking about?
		You can get your hair cut fucking anywhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's nonsense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's a lady that we should interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be better if Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want to know about the lady who cut Alex Jones' hair in 2009.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Probably took about 45 seconds.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Still did not have a whole lot of hair back then, says the guy with a ridiculous mane.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, hey, hey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't talk about receding hairlines, folks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I like having this hair, but man, I don't like how much it costs to get it cut.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I shan't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, my bill is going down as my hairline recedes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the good news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No black people have come up to me to tell me about how apologetic they are about my hair life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we got one more clip, and it's just further bringing home.
		Yeah.
		I've said this to you a couple times.
		I've said this to other friends.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To Jesus in your quiet moments.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I regret not naming this show They're All Con Men because I think that more than talking about Alex Jones, we talk a lot about Alex Jones.
		Yeah.
		But the through line is all these other people who come up on his show, all the people who are involved with Project Camelon.
		All these like Gavin McGinnis, Mike Cernovich, Jack Pisobic, Steve Pieczenik even, Hamamoto.
		They're all fucking con men.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everybody, they're all con men.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Milo.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Milo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Milo's a clunky con man.
		But all of these people are running elaborate cons.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you regret not naming our show something that is even harder to find than our Facebook group.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably.
		But the reason I bring this up is that, you know, you got Bob Chapman on here, and he said the only safe thing to do is buy gold and silver and fuck Reagan.
		And then he said to a caller, what you need to do is call Midas.
		And so here's how this show ends up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right, we are back live with Bob Chapman.
		I'm going to come back in the next whole segment, take a few more calls.
		But right now, briefly, I wanted Bob and Ted Anderson to have a chance to talk.
		Because I know Midas Resources also offers a trial copy of the International Forecaster.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Real business.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is some cross-promotion right there.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Bob Chapman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is corporate synergy, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bob Chapman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great business.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bob Chapman's publication is distributed, at least in part, by Midas Resources.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So when he tells people to call Midas, he is doing a quid pro quo in some way for help with distribution.
unidentified		And they're all doing it on this show in public.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking amazing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But Ted is doing gold is up again today, but Ted bought it a few weeks ago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it was down.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		$760 level.
		Whoa.
		Again, the price is close to, I guess, $90 under what it is right now.
		So he factors that into the savings.
		Ted told folks out there about today and throughout the weekend the gold offer.
		And then I don't know what Bob's going to say.
		I want to see what he's going to say because he's a great analyst on this about how good a deal he thinks it is.
		Bob Chapman and Ted Anderson, you guys talk.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, basically.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's code for I want to eat a sandwich.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what he's going to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's probably going to say it's a good deal, but I don't know what he's going to say about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I predict Bob Chapman's going to be suspicious of this deal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What would you give for Ted to go on and be like, today's not a good day.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Today's not a good day to buy gold.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait until tomorrow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		Basically, what I have right now, Alex, I mean, gold did edge up again today and seen a peak of $868.90, which means it is getting stronger.
		The unemployment figures came out way low.
		I mean, way higher than what it was.
		The economy here is melting down.
		What I did is I picked up some francs here just a short while ago at that price level that you're referring to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Love a frank.
unidentified		And they're currently at 204, where the brand service is at 252.
unidentified		Walking Liberty Halves are at 840 or $8.40 or $168 Parola 20.
ted anderson ▲ ● ▼		All that stuff is really a good buying range for the market.
		Obviously, with the economy melting down, I just can't think of a better time to be getting involved in the gold and silver.
		Plus, also having support of rising market prices, you know, just the whole thing.
		I mean, that gun issue that you're talking about earlier on is going to make people's blood boil.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So even Ted Anderson, as an energetic force on this show, is saying, in order to help sell my gold, I'm going to refer back to a gun issue that you were talking about.
		And spoiler alert, that was Alex earlier in the show talking about how everyone's going to get their guns taken.
		And he's like, I don't remember the name of the bill.
		I've been meaning to cover it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Make your guns out of gold.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They'll never be able to take them then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's like, I don't remember the name of the bill, but I'm going to get to it.
		I can't find it.
		And then it turns out it's a World Net Daily fucking article.
		Like, that's not a bill.
		It didn't fucking happen.
		Nope.
		And also, real fun.
		I mean, these people are fucking so overt.
		They're so fucking lunatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hilarious.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's only one clip that I wish I would have pulled, and that's where Bob Chapman is like, you better bury your guns and ammunition.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's read the book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where to hide your guns, my friend.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a man who hides his guns.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It might be even further synergy that we're unaware of, that Bob Chapman owns where to hideyourguns.com.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that still up?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it might be.
		Someone told me it might be.
		I don't remember.
		Anyway, we've got to wrap this up.
		We've gotten to the end of this exploration of three days in January 2009.
		Here's what I think are the important takeaways.
		One, Alex is already giving unacceptable and unexplainable pro-Russian narratives in 2009 for major world events.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But he's still, at this time, he's sneaking them in.
		Somewhat.
		He's not spending 25 minutes talking about it.
		He's just tossing in, like, hey, everything Russia does is great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're going to move on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can't buy toys.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't bring it back up on the ninth at all.
		No, it never brings it up.
		Of course not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why would it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't just selectively edit the camera.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As you said, the situation was resolved immediately.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It took two weeks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, it took two weeks?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and people were dying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I assume he brought it up again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		I mean, he might.
		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He didn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We might see that in the next episode.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You've already said he doesn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
		You do.
		I don't actually know all that much.
		Okay.
		Because actually, Alex goes on vacation.
		I should be clear about that.
		That's a little piece I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		There you go.
		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex then bounces.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex has a vacation, and he has a guy named Jason Burmese host, who I have no idea who that guy is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea who that guy is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm interested.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a character from these days and not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he better than Owen Schroyer?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would bet money he's come out since he quit and said that Alex is full of shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess, because most of his old employees have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the other thing that I think is important is that Alex is a racist, but not that racist.
		Which is interesting.
		Also, he's willing to talk negatively about Israel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's one of those reflexive racists at this point in time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's almost deep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's deep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		It's not so much that he is out and out voting for racism, which is what he is now.
		It's more like it's just he's a good old boy who was raised in Texas, so of course he's fucking racist.
		Yeah, like even when he's trying not to be racist, he's still going to throw in a wampum.
		Like he's just a monster.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But also at the same time, still willing to have an interview with a guy who is there for First People's Rights.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is pretty crazy compared to the press.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if he's ever even spoken to a non-white person in the past two years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Aside from the Nation of Islam.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Farrakhan?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's had Candace Owens on.
unidentified		Oh, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who Kanye really loves?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's not talk about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think that there's a lot of interesting threads here, and I hope that we're able to get to the bottom of a lot of them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is a whole new wrinkle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm so fascinated by this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How much does he sell the bullhorn for?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what we've got to find out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do we not know how much he winds up selling it for?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was a $50,000 bid.
unidentified		That's all we know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't be real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Might be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't want that bullhorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've got to wrap this up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you are deeply in the past, you're never going to find this bullhorn.
		You can first off follow us at knowledge underscore fight and knowledgefight.com.
		If you know where this bullhorn is, you better goddamn tweet it at knowledge underscore fight.
unidentified		For sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you that right there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or you can send us a message on Facebook.
unidentified		All bullhorn-related messages are over here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or you could leave a five-star bullhorn review on iTunes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could definitely do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you leave a review on iTunes and mention Terror Crusher 1, Tyranny Crusher, Tyrone Crusher 1.
		We will send you a shirt that we don't have.
		Who knows?
		All right, let's wrap this up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What else do we got?
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		No, if you want to support the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Go to knowledgefight.com, click support the show, and then mail us Tyranny Crusher One.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the best way to support this show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God damn it, if I get a broken bullhorn in the mail and it's not Tyranny Crusher One, just another broken bullhorn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just a regular broken bullhorn.
		Horrible.
		With Tyranny Crusher one spray painted on it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If that happens, I will know that it was SETCOM that you know what I'll do?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sell it for 50 grand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, it's your turn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's my turn.
		Oh, dude, you know exactly what it's like.
		The number of people.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's going to be related to this show that we just did?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This was fantastic, but you know who I want to go fuck themselves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All the Democrats in the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're goddamn fucking right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go fuck yourselves.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Love you.

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