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April 24, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#154: April 23, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the April 23rd episode of The Alex Jones Show, and about how sick he is getting of how boring the show is in present day. The gents talk a little bit about Alex's newfound love of Kanye West, they find two instances of Alex admitting he often has no idea what he's talking about, and someone may do a spit-take.

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a
alex jones
10:13
d
dan friesen
44:37
j
jordan holmes
23:38
Appearances
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
Callers
andy in kansas
00:01
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, hello.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
jordan holmes
If, say, you had never seen this show before or heard this show before, and you were just walking down the street, suddenly you will cost...
You yourself, Dan.
dan friesen
Hey, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's your show about?
dan friesen
I would say that I know a lot about Alex Jones, and I have this friend who's a very nice man.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
dan friesen
He's cool, we have a good time together, but he knows nothing about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Is that a positive or a negative?
dan friesen
I think it's a positive.
And so I sit around and explain it to him, and that's the show.
jordan holmes
And therein we find...
unidentified
Fun?
Existentialism?
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
So, today, we're going to be going over the April 23rd, 2018 episode of the Alex Jones Show.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But more than that, we're going to be talking about how I'm sick of the bullshit.
And I'm frustrated with Alex Jones in the present.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And I don't want to do this anymore.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Not the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Not the show.
But we get to this point over and over and over.
jordan holmes
We got a cliffhanger right now, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
No, we're going to continue doing the show.
But I get to this point over and over and over again in the last year and a half we've been doing this where it's like I just hate him in the present.
And I can't deal with it anymore.
And we are right about there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think you're on about a three-month cycle.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think I'm bipolar in terms of Alex Jones' present.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
I still can enjoy him in the past, but the present, fuck, man, it's bad.
But something that's not bad is a couple of new donors I've got to give a shout-out to.
Silky Transition.
I've still got that game down, baby!
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
So first, I'd like to give a shout-out to new donor, George.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, George.
jordan holmes
George Stephanopoulos, we got some things to talk about.
dan friesen
He's a newsman.
jordan holmes
Your interview style is wanting.
dan friesen
We appreciate Stephanopoulos getting on board.
I'd also give a shout-out to new policy wonk, Robert.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Robert.
jordan holmes
Robert.
dan friesen
Durst from the Jinx.
jordan holmes
I was going to go with Blake.
Somehow we both picked murderers, so there's that.
dan friesen
One of the most common names.
unidentified
We both chose murderers.
jordan holmes
I don't think we're doing great at this life thing.
dan friesen
No, not at all.
jordan holmes
I think that says bad things about us.
dan friesen
I'd also like to give a shout out to a new globalist.
What's going on out there, Rebecca?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Rebecca Romijn.
Are you still a Stamos?
dan friesen
I do not think so.
jordan holmes
I don't think we're Stamos anymore?
No more hyphening?
dan friesen
I think she lost the Stamos.
She's like the Beach Boys of models.
jordan holmes
She lost the Stamos.
dan friesen
Kicked out.
I actually don't know if that's true, but I assume it is.
unidentified
I don't think so.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's true of either of them.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Stamos could still be an active member of the Beach Boys, for all I know.
jordan holmes
That's entirely possible.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's possible.
He might just be on the injured reserve, something like that.
jordan holmes
Is that a band thing that they have?
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
They put you on the 10-day DL?
dan friesen
When you twist your bongo hand.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
Your bongo hand.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
So we have one more.
jordan holmes
I can only play the bongos with one hand.
dan friesen
We got one more person to give a shout-out to, one more new donor, someone who took their donation.
Bumped it up to technocrat level, and we appreciate it also very much.
Thank you very much, Cody.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Cody.
Nothing makes me happier than here in the full clip.
What do we got?
What do we got for Cody?
dan friesen
That's your bit.
jordan holmes
I don't got nothing for Cody.
dan friesen
Cody Rhodes, the great wrestler and brother of gold dust.
jordan holmes
Why would I remember Cody Rhodes?
dan friesen
Cody Rhodes taking over the independent circuit after leaving the WWE because they made him be a character called Stardust.
It was not very interesting.
And a ripoff.
Of his brother's character.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
And son of the American Dream, Dusty Rhodes.
jordan holmes
So Cody Rhodes was Stardust and his brother was Gold Dust.
dan friesen
Yes.
Well, his brother was Gold Dust for like 20 years and then they made Cody's character Stardust and it was terrible.
That was much later down the road.
jordan holmes
That's a bad idea.
dan friesen
But his dad was the American Dream, Dusty Rhodes, who was one of the most quotable, very chubby wrestlers.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he's the best.
He's delightful.
I don't want to hear any stories about how he's a terrible man, because it's very, very possible.
jordan holmes
Please, no.
Chances are, he was a terrible man.
dan friesen
In that era, the idea of a pro wrestler who wasn't?
jordan holmes
That's why I have not heard any news about Chris Benoit since 1997.
Don't anybody tell me anything.
dan friesen
You don't want to hear any bad news?
jordan holmes
I don't want to hear any bad news!
dan friesen
I have some good news.
He cared about his dog.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I might be referencing something I don't even understand.
But be that isn't it.
Jordan, today we're going to get to this episode.
And I am, like I said, I am sick of the shit.
I am just tired of it.
I got no time for him blowing hard forever about his oppression.
jordan holmes
You're doing your second tour in NAMM.
That's what you're feeling right now.
dan friesen
I got stop lost.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's terrible.
dan friesen
I thought I was coming home when he fucking turned on Trump.
I thought I was going to get back to my wife stateside.
And then they said, no sir, get back on the C-130.
You're going back in country.
jordan holmes
No good.
dan friesen
And I just, oh, I'm just sick of it.
Because now he's doing, he's back to the exact same sycophantic, like, Trump is a great man.
Really?
jordan holmes
Already, it's been like a week.
That's sad.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a disgrace.
jordan holmes
That's disappointing.
dan friesen
It is.
But then beyond that.
jordan holmes
I think that's a big issue, is just the massive letdown.
Like, I think we would have been a lot.
It's like we.
We were at this level of just, like, nothing is going too far in either direction.
And then you throw that, like...
There's a tremor in there, and all of a sudden, for the high we had whenever he was gone, there must be an equal and opposite low where he jumps right back on the fucking train.
dan friesen
I think part of it, I have to wrestle with my own...
It's me.
It's my fault.
jordan holmes
No, it is.
dan friesen
Because my brain wants a narrative.
All of our brains are trained to hope for storylines.
The same reason we reference a hero's redemption or any of these Joseph Campbell-type things.
And I'm like, I want there to at least be a third act, you know?
And not just a repeat of the second act.
You know, there is a crisis that has come through.
There's a coming-to-Jesus moment where he's drunk on air telling us that Donald Trump puts ISIS up his dirty asshole.
And we think...
jordan holmes
Still so good.
dan friesen
We think that there's going to...
Now there's going to be...
Certainly no redemption is available for him.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
But you at least think it's going to change.
It fucking doesn't!
It drives me nuts.
jordan holmes
It's a very avant-garde play.
dan friesen
Well, and then the other thing is that half the goddamn show is him just complaining about getting sued.
I know that I complained about this and predicted it months ago when he was just going to go boring, angry Lenny Bruce mode.
And that's saying angry Lenny Bruce mode is...
Yeah.
And it's just, it is this, like...
jordan holmes
Late career Lenny Bruce angry.
dan friesen
It's just fucking nonsense.
It's so much, I'm oppressed.
These people who are suing me are going to undo the First Amendment.
It's just talking points over and over and over again.
And it's like, dude...
You don't understand these are the consequences of your actions.
Now, whether these suits are misguided or not, they do come from a place of, like, you do probably deserve to have some sort of a consequence for your behavior.
They might be...
jordan holmes
Legally, maybe you can get off at a technicality.
Spiritually, you deserve all the worst things that these could bring.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
And so I'm just...
It's like...
It's the stationary version of banging my head against a wall.
Because I'm just sitting here watching this shit, and I'm like, don't care.
I don't care.
And it's even tough for me to get it up for new stuff.
We're going to get into it here in a minute, but he talks about Kanye West.
jordan holmes
That should be fun!
dan friesen
I can't get excited about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So anyway, let's just jump into some of these clips.
jordan holmes
I'm so sorry, Dan.
dan friesen
This isn't to say that this show is going to suck or anything like that.
We have some fun things to talk about, but you might find me back in 2008.
2009 for a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's a smart idea.
dan friesen
You might not find me in the present.
jordan holmes
I think that's a smart idea.
I might have to take a little break.
Right now, you're mirroring his energy.
You're even bitching about how boring he is.
I'm sure he's feeling the same thing.
He's just going off.
On the same boring nonsense that he has.
This is a man who thrives in chaos, and instead he's pinned down against the wall, and he hates it.
dan friesen
And tomorrow's my birthday, and so my gift to myself is ignoring Alex Jones in the present.
jordan holmes
That is wonderful!
dan friesen
Or at least sort of trying to ignore him in the present.
I apologize to the chatroom.
I do not have an out-of-context drop from today's episode, but there is some fun stuff, so let's just do this.
Here is the first clip.
This is how Alex Jones decides to start off the show.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, the new counterculture is Renaissance.
The Renaissance that started more than 500 years ago with the Gutenberg press in Europe is now back.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Where'd it go?
alex jones
Jordan Klepper and the opposition, I'm told.
unidentified
They stole it!
alex jones
I talked to Paul Watson this morning.
Attack Paul for saying that conservatism is the new counterculture.
dan friesen
Well, probably because that's dumb.
alex jones
And they said that's ridiculous.
The Republicans control the House, the Senate, the executive, and the judicial.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a good point.
alex jones
But they don't control any of Hollywood, any of the mainstream media.
They don't control the colleges that almost to a college are globalist and socialist and anti-human, anti-family, anti-Christian.
They don't control a single of the giant tech companies.
dan friesen
Really?
unidentified
Peter Thiel?
alex jones
And money.
dan friesen
Elon Musk.
alex jones
And power on this planet is globalist.
jordan holmes
That Amazon fuck?
alex jones
It's authoritarian masquerading as.
I do not like that someone taught him the word neoliberal.
jordan holmes
I don't like somebody taught him the word incontrovertible.
alex jones
Here's an example, Newsweek.
Why hasn't Melania Trump been on the cover of any magazines?
Since becoming first lady, they asked last week.
jordan holmes
Because she's been dead for 12 years.
alex jones
It's because she hasn't been approached.
Because she's seen as a polarizing figure.
As if Michael Obama wasn't a polarizing figure.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I'm just joking.
So, there you go, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Do you like that?
Just joking.
jordan holmes
Just joking.
Why does everybody have to be mean to me?
dan friesen
He kicked into one of his old bits about Michelle being a man, and then he's like, I'm just joking.
I don't want to do another lawsuit.
I understand it's the season of the lawsuit, and I could probably, I don't know, I think that one might have more legs than a lot of these other ones.
That could at least be something.
I don't know.
Again, it's just lame.
jordan holmes
You're struggling.
dan friesen
It's just lame.
jordan holmes
This is so much like the comic who...
This is like Tim Allen going to an underground show now where he's like, why don't my old...
It's work!
dan friesen
So I've looked into a little bit of the reason why Melania isn't on a bunch of covers and why Michelle Obama was.
And here's a couple of the reasons.
jordan holmes
Because Michelle Obama radiates joy and elegance and is an amazing figure who is working hard to make the world a better place.
And Melania is a trapped woman held inside of an ivory tower waiting to be pushed over, and then she will fall and crumble before our very eyes?
dan friesen
That's an interesting theory.
I can't prove that one way or the other, but there's probably some spiritual truth there.
It turns out, like, you know, she used to be a model, and there's some talk that she might not have great relationships remaining with a lot of the people who are in the fashion industry.
Who are involved in dressing people for covers of magazines.
So it's entirely possible that there's some sort of inner workings of the fashion world.
jordan holmes
So she was a dick to fashion people?
dan friesen
I don't know if that's true, but I have seen that speculated.
jordan holmes
It sounds right.
dan friesen
Sure.
Then there's also the issue of right after the election, she was on the cover of Vanity Fair.
And the picture that they ended up using was of her with...
A string of diamonds in a spoon, and her treating it like it was spaghetti.
Yeah.
And I think that turned some people the fuck off.
jordan holmes
It might have a little...
That might be a bit of a let them eat cake moment.
dan friesen
Now, again, that might not be her fault.
She might not have created that cover, but whatever bad will that gained certainly still lingers.
Then, beyond that...
Michelle Obama was incredibly active with a bunch of causes that she was in these magazines to help promote.
So she's on the cover of, like, Women's Health and stuff like that because she is interested in talking about dietary issues and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
In order to make the world better!
dan friesen
And she is interested in that.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Meanwhile, Melania Trump has chosen cyberbullying and bullying as her main campaign.
jordan holmes
Did she?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's one of the things that she said that she's...
jordan holmes
Is she really doing anything, though?
Like, I feel like her only goal right now is to not spend any time with Trump at all.
dan friesen
No, true, but that's the issue that she has spoken of, like, this is an issue I want to work on.
It's like, you're doing nothing, and your husband is a big old cyber bully.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
That is projection on a level that I am buying.
Hey, you know what?
If you want to start with the big cause, start in your own home.
That's all I'm saying.
If you want to stop cyberbullying and bullying, you're getting cyberbullied and bullied by your husband.
Stop that shit.
Divorce him.
I want a divorce of a sitting president.
dan friesen
That'd be weird.
jordan holmes
That would be bananas.
I would love it.
dan friesen
But I think that a lot of the magazines...
jordan holmes
The president loses half of his shit in a no-fault divorce state.
Love it.
dan friesen
And because of that, all those documents become public.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
We learn that none of them have anything.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But, like, I think that a lot of the goodwill in the magazine covers that Michelle Obama was on does trace back to advocacy, and it does trace back to being involved in things that people wanted to talk about.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I don't really know if Melania's involved in all that much that people find that interesting.
jordan holmes
Well, and she's a very interesting person to talk to and be around.
Michelle is brilliant.
She's a brilliant woman.
dan friesen
And that's not to say that Melania isn't.
I don't know.
unidentified
It is!
dan friesen
You don't know that.
You don't know her.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
You don't know her.
She's probably a delight.
jordan holmes
She's not.
dan friesen
You don't know that.
jordan holmes
I know that.
dan friesen
You don't know that.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
You don't know that.
jordan holmes
What are the odds?
dan friesen
She is a blank canvas upon which all can paint their own perceptions.
jordan holmes
She married Trump for money.
dan friesen
That's what you paint on her with her blank canvas.
jordan holmes
No, that's called science.
dan friesen
Yeah, but who knows?
jordan holmes
That's math.
dan friesen
Anyway, in this next clip, we learn that Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
I may not have gotten a degree in one of the STEM fields, but my humanities training teaches me that she is married to him for, what would you call it?
Comfort.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Not affection.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
So, I'm guessing, since you're a gentleman who likes hip-hop...
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
...that you've been keeping up with the affairs in the world of one Kanye West.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
No.
Good God, no.
I don't want anything to do with Kanye West in real life.
I want his albums.
I want his good shit.
dan friesen
He's been tweeting a lot of sort of vague pseudo-spiritual self-help.
unidentified
I know.
jordan holmes
I have been trying to avoid it studiously.
dan friesen
A lot of it is very specifically sort of the...
If you spend any time in sort of like theosophist circles or like parapsychology type worlds or even like human potential type groups or anything like that, you'll recognize a lot of these sentences that don't mean anything but sound profound.
There's a lot of stuff like that.
And I question everything was one.
jordan holmes
In order to grab things, you need to let them go.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Dancing is only stepping while walking.
That's what that is.
dan friesen
The appearance of depth without doing any work to get there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that sort of shit.
And then he also tweeted at this young lady named...
Candace Owens.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
He loves how she thinks.
And she's a big old Trump supporter.
She's been on Infowars a number of times.
Great.
And I don't like how she thinks.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
Who gives a fuck?
Kanye is insane!
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's why he's a genius.
dan friesen
I've been saying this, I think everyone's been saying this, for years.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
He is a lunatic.
Why are we...
jordan holmes
Why are we doing this?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why would you take it?
I've read it.
I've read a couple of these articles that are like, uh-oh, Kanye is supporting that.
Who cares?
Who cares?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What his brain does is irrelevant.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Whenever he's talking, don't.
If you don't want to, you're just supporting him.
dan friesen
Even half of his music don't.
jordan holmes
Also, Beyonce absolutely should have won that.
Taylor Swift can go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
Best album of all time?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, here's Alex saying...
jordan holmes
So he's right on one thing.
And George Bush does not care about black people, so he's got two under his belt.
dan friesen
Alex might agree with that also.
He seems to have forgotten about that, though.
But here's him talking a little bit about his newfound feelings about Kanye on the 23rd.
alex jones
Kanye West.
jordan holmes
I don't like him saying those words.
alex jones
I don't really like the Kardashians and all that stuff, so I just said I didn't like him years ago because I didn't follow him.
Now that I've actually followed him the last few years, and what he does with Trump, and how he's standing up for different journalists and activists, embraces black Trump supporter, who we've had on the broadcast many times, and I want to try to get on today.
dan friesen
So he's just like, hey, now that I see him doing this, I'm into it.
But you'll notice in that specific clip, he said...
All I knew about was the Kardashians.
I didn't really know anything about him, so I just hated him.
I didn't really look into it.
I just thought he was a shithead.
jordan holmes
That's a cultural shorthand I think a lot of us indulge in from time to time.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think.
jordan holmes
A nice little, look, if it's to do with the Kardashians, I'm out.
Just a big out.
dan friesen
But it's also like, you're supposedly a guy who's like...
Deep into truth.
And you're admitting on air that you engaged in a game of guilt by association without knowing anything about the person.
jordan holmes
Also, I guarantee he would not like Yeezus.
dan friesen
No.
Also, he does say that, like, I've listened to his music.
It's great music.
jordan holmes
Ah, come on!
dan friesen
Kanye has a song called I Am A God.
jordan holmes
Man!
Blood on the leaves!
Come on!
He samples blood on the leaves, dude!
You can't be a white nationalist and even hear that song!
It just comes across like the parents in Rugrats or whatever.
Or no, Muppet Babies.
dan friesen
It's complete lunacy.
The idea that he is like, I listen to it, I love his music.
Go fuck yourself.
So anyway, just for fun, because I've seen a lot of people...
jordan holmes
What's your favorite album?
What do you think Alex Jones' favorite album would be?
dan friesen
I bet he maybe heard Jesus Walks.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Because it's like, oh, Jesus in the title, let's check this out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's on brand for me.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's on brand.
dan friesen
I would guess he probably hasn't.
jordan holmes
Now I think Alex only listens to music that's on brand to him.
dan friesen
Probably.
Just songs that have Jesus in the title or Old Fucking Country.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not...
You could do worse.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So...
A lot of people on Twitter have posted, and I've seen reposts of, like, there's an article that Alex did about Kanye being in the Illuminati a while back.
jordan holmes
Kanye was in the Illuminati for a time.
dan friesen
But that's something that he's pretty consistently said, and I don't think that's very interesting as a receipt on him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so here's a clip of Alex talking about Kanye West in June 2016.
alex jones
There's a special place in hell for these people, and I don't care if it's Jay-Z or Kanye West or...
Or Bono or any of them.
I'm sick of them.
dan friesen
So before we get into what he's actually going to say about Kanye West, it's really funny because right before this he was in a big rant about U2, about how their album got put on everybody's phones.
jordan holmes
That's right.
That's right.
I remember that.
Everybody loved that.
That was a very popular thing that they did.
dan friesen
He was pretending that everyone got charged for the album.
He's like, God damn, YouTube is robbing a million people!
jordan holmes
I don't even have $9.99 to give to these assholes!
dan friesen
Not that it was a free album that they put on everyone's phone, which in itself is weird, and I'm not for it.
unidentified
It was weird.
dan friesen
But they didn't charge everybody for that album.
Anyway, here's what he says about Kanye West.
jordan holmes
They didn't charge anybody for that album.
dan friesen
Also, special place in hell for these people.
alex jones
Right.
Look at Kanye West trick fans into subscribing to title lawsuit claims.
Well, of course they do.
I mean, it's all about shin me 25 million, I'm going broke when he wasn't going broke.
It's all about pimping his fans, getting it over on them.
That's what a man does.
No, a man builds civilization and technology and advances people and produces art and literature and culture and lifts everything up and is strong.
They don't sit there and feed on the weak, you stupid slave master.
He's just like the black Africans that sold their own people into slavery.
He's a slave master.
He's a pimp.
Selling him there at the dock.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
I didn't look into Kanye.
I was just watching.
I saw him with the Kardashians.
I just didn't like him.
Now, of course, I did think he was a slave master who was selling out fellow Africans to be owned by white people.
dan friesen
Just as bad.
jordan holmes
But that was just because he was close to Kim Kardashian.
That makes sense.
That tracks.
dan friesen
This guy is such a fucking idiot.
This is why it's so frustrating.
We could do this all day.
We could do this dance all day, but it comes back to all the time.
It doesn't matter.
No one cares.
No one remembers this.
And if Alex wants to even address the fact that he's, you know, I think the most important piece of it is him admitting I never looked into him, and then he's saying that kind of extreme thing against him, that means that you need to work harder.
And look into people before you talk shit about them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would think.
dan friesen
But the part about it, like he said negative things about Kanye in the past, but now he's saying good things.
He can easily get around that by being like, oh, he's no longer in the Illuminati because Trump helped him.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
He can play that game and then we're like, all right, fine.
Fine.
jordan holmes
It's just fun to see.
The thing about this and the thing about the way that everybody reacts to Kanye's bullshit is fascinating to me in terms of celebrity culture.
So many people just blow in the wind immediately.
Just like, oh, Kanye said something I didn't like, so he's an asshole now forever.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, he said something I do like, so he's the nicest guy in the world forever.
Right.
Fucking who gives a shit?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I just don't- I agree.
I don't- I don't care what he says.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Drop another Life of Pablo on me and I'm fine.
dan friesen
It's like Alex complains about people being involved in celebrity worship and celebrity culture all the time.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And now you just see him engaging in it because the guy said he likes Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or something.
Or it behaved in such a way as to make it appear that he likes Trump.
Sure.
And, again, I agree with you.
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Well, then, on the other hand, I don't necessarily want to support an artist who is a black-white supremacist.
You know, if you're supporting Trump, as I've previously stated at this point, chances are you're a 95% white-right supremacist.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So, now we have to see what the headline is.
dan friesen
Or sympathizer, at least.
I don't know, man.
jordan holmes
See, now, actually, he might be more like the 2016 version that Alex complained about.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This all makes sense.
dan friesen
So, a little bit later in the episode, Alex spends a large portion of his time doing what I predicted.
I think he might listen to the show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I don't think he does.
jordan holmes
Why doesn't he take any of our good ideas?
dan friesen
When we first saw him sort of tiptoeing back to Trump like a little scared boy, what we were like, I think my take on it was, just get back to shitting on Hillary.
That's what you do all the time.
You don't even need to talk about Trump.
Just go back to that.
And so he spends a large portion of the show going over a speech that Hillary gave at what he thought was Penn State.
That's going to be important later.
He spends most of his time talking about how Penn State is a hotbed of demon activity because of Jerry Sandusky.
alex jones
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Sure, there is a...
jordan holmes
I got it.
dan friesen
There's a huge mess there, for sure.
But that does not mean that there is a hotbed of demons.
It just means that there was an institutional problem where they did not address...
I believe it was actually because they were too liberal, Dan.
alex jones
Liberal.
jordan holmes
They were too liberal.
Too liberal.
That's what liberals do.
They control the speech of people who are trying to point out that you hired a child molester.
dan friesen
If by liberal you mean protecting financial interests in the form of the football team...
jordan holmes
The most liberal thing you can do.
dan friesen
Then I would say liberal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
For sure.
But Alex thinks there's demons there, and so he says this.
alex jones
They told me, the sources, multiple sources, they said, Alex, it's not just pedophilia, it's devil worship.
Penn State is heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy devil worship.
dan friesen
A lot of heavies.
alex jones
All the ties the Clinton family has to Penn State.
Big articles.
Go look it up.
And put it on screen for TV viewers.
dan friesen
So he spends so much time impugning Penn State.
And linking them to Clinton and Hillary Clinton because he's giving a speech there.
And here's the punchline to that, which comes about an hour later in the show.
alex jones
One correction here I need to make that I just noticed.
I was watching this Hillary video this morning on Infowars.com.
Steve watched an article about it.
And it had what looked like Independence Hall when they showed the side shot.
jordan holmes
Wasn't that, wasn't it?
alex jones
You can find that on the video for TV viewers.
There's a shot where it's a side shot.
unidentified
Oh, isn't that?
alex jones
I know I watched it this morning.
dan friesen
Interesting shot.
alex jones
Not the frontal shot in the video.
It's a side shot.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
It's like Independence Hall.
It looks like Independence Hall and it says Penn and all that.
And I know she was a big buddy with Penn State and speaks there a lot.
So I said, look at her speaking at Penn State.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
where they had all the big problems and the compromise and the president arrested for covering up the pedophilia and Sandusky and all of it.
And then I realized, I said, let me look into that where she was speaking.
It's pin America, not associated Still devil worship.
Still devil worship.
dan friesen
You stupid asshole.
Do that before you get on air and talk about it.
Like, I appreciate that at least there's a correction, because he never fucking does that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's weird.
dan friesen
That is at least, like...
But that might be, again, a function of he knows he's getting sued all over the place.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now he's coming correct.
dan friesen
So at least there's that.
That's very out of character.
But, man, just, like, don't assume things.
Like, when 15, 20 minutes of your content is going to be linking Hillary to the demons that you see at Penn State because she's giving a speech at Penn State, make sure she's fucking giving a speech at Penn State, not Penn America!
alex jones
Find out what you're talking about!
dan friesen
It's so sloppy!
I hate this!
I hate him!
It's just...
jordan holmes
I just always get lost in the hyperbole.
Whenever you say...
unidentified
They're into heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy devil worship.
dan friesen
I think you might have missed a heavy.
jordan holmes
I always want to be like, okay, how much is that, though?
What's like devil worship?
dan friesen
Where do you differentiate?
jordan holmes
Is that like a Christmas and Easter devil worship?
Is that what we're talking about?
dan friesen
That's where you go to the coven once or twice a year.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you do the major holidays.
dan friesen
You go to Samhain.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
They have a great pageant, though.
You got your kid in there.
It's wonderful.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
unidentified
But heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy devil worship.
jordan holmes
What is that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Probably drinking blood.
Adrenochrome.
jordan holmes
That seems like three heavies at most.
You're a man who's eating six Thai hot, my friend.
dan friesen
I hate to keep going back to Andy Daly references, but then you're Chip Gardner.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair enough.
dan friesen
You're trying to conjure Satan.
Here's the other thing.
Everything we're talking about is not real.
You know what I mean?
That's the other piece of this that gets really frustrating.
jordan holmes
I suppose that's an issue with our varying positions because I always want to make it real.
Like when we're talking about our girl Carrie Callahan, I am always in the place of like, nah, let's jump in.
I want to see what it would be like if this made any sense.
I want to get inside your mind and figure out how it is that you can put all these pieces together while at the same time ignoring the glare.
You're staring plot holes in your entire life.
With this, it's fascinating to me.
I don't have to listen to it all day, every day, though.
dan friesen
Look what we've gone over so far.
Melania Trump isn't on magazine covers, and that is proof that the patriots don't have any...
Everything in the media is globalist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's not real.
jordan holmes
That works.
dan friesen
Alex loves Kanye West now because he said something that indicates support of Trump.
That's not real.
That's a zero.
Alex, in the past, has said that Kanye West is a slave master.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's not real.
dan friesen
Alex, Penn State is super into devil worship.
That's not real.
jordan holmes
It's not even the place where you think of it.
dan friesen
Alex has to make a correction about Panamerica.
That's real.
But still, what he's talking about isn't real.
jordan holmes
And he could have jumped in there.
He could have been like, oh, I just got the name wrong.
Like, what else is Pan America doing?
dan friesen
Maybe in the future suing him.
jordan holmes
I would hope they were doing that.
I mean, before you sue Alex, you definitely want to get in a prayer to Satan.
I'll tell you that right now.
Light some incense at the Satan altar.
dan friesen
So, now that Alex is being sued about a lot of the stuff that he's been stupid about in the past, I think he might be starting to feel a little bit like I had to cover some of my bases.
Maybe.
And I've got to at least bring up my narratives about what I did in certain circumstances in the past.
And we know from covering it that he got a letter from James Elephantus, who owns Comet Ping Pong Pizza, which was the center of Pizzagate and that brouhaha.
And Alex was threatened with the lawsuit, and he made a very embarrassing on-air apology about it.
jordan holmes
Which had no effect.
dan friesen
Nope.
And so he brings that up.
He brings up Pizzagate here on this episode.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea!
dan friesen
I want to talk about that a little bit.
alex jones
The Guardian reported on it, and so what were they going to do?
What were they going to do when all of the Aleister Crowley stuff came out and all the devil worship and the WikiLeaks?
They just had the media focus in on D.C., focus in on a pizzeria where none of that was going on.
So that they could scapegoat all that and pull us all the way on to what was really going on.
dan friesen
That sentence doesn't even make sense.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
That doesn't track as a grammar.
But we've already gone over that John Bowne report that Alex did.
We've already gone over him saying, you've got to go check it out.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That stuff.
jordan holmes
Which I assume he still has the video up.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
No, he did.
dan friesen
You can find it on YouTube.
jordan holmes
You can find it.
dan friesen
But I wanted to go even further into this.
I found some more times that he was saying the Pizzagate is real.
So this is a clip from November 26, 2016.
alex jones
And so we're one of the first groups to cover it.
I just said, could this be code for drug dealing?
Could this be code for something else?
I don't know.
It's so horrible.
That I just said, what is this?
It's like photos of kids at parties with images of people bleeding to death with women in satanic outfits drinking blood.
dan friesen
Alright.
So, we have already, from this clip, him being weird.
The reason that he's responding this way is because in November of 2016...
He didn't have anything to fear really about being sued.
Right.
What he was afraid of is the internet being like, you didn't cover this.
You missed the boat on this.
Much like we're experiencing him do with QAnon and stuff.
jordan holmes
QAnon right now, yeah.
dan friesen
So he didn't want that perception to be out there, and so he's bragging, we were the first to cover it.
Now, I said, I said, is this drug stuff?
But even in the way he's saying that, he's saying, I then learned it is not.
It is about drinking blood and what have you.
So in this next clip from that...
jordan holmes
I like that.
Maybe it's about drugs.
Nah, dude.
Turns out it's blood drinking.
Which is worse?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, to be fair, Alex thinks that the drinking blood is part of a drug thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, there you go.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex very specifically links the FBI symbols for pedophile stuff to the logos of the pizza places, which is one of the big cornerstones of the online furor about Pizzagate that linked to Comet Ping Pong and Besta Pizza in Washington, D.C. I'm just like, I don't see how you see anything else watching this.
alex jones
For radio listeners, you'll hear it and say, okay, that sounds pretty bad.
But when you look at the logos from law enforcement manuals on how pedophiles traffic kids, the codes they use, and you see...
The very images on businesses connected to Podesta.
dan friesen
Well, there you go.
You know?
jordan holmes
I don't see how anybody can see it differently.
dan friesen
First of all, I don't see how anyone could get a different conclusion than I'm coming to when you see pedophile symbols mirrored in the logos for these businesses that I have arbitrarily connected to Podesta.
jordan holmes
It would be bananas.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, to be fair, John Podesta did have a fundraiser at Comic Ping Pong Pizza, so Alex isn't making up that there's a connection there or whatever, but he's making up all the rest of the stuff.
But again, this is very specifically talking about Pizzagate as being a part of these restaurants.
Now hold on, before you get to this, I have one more clip where Alex, he can't undo this.
He can't walk this back.
alex jones
I couldn't sleep last night and...
You know, people want me to look into it.
I may just have to take off a week and just only research this and actually go to where these places are and stuff.
In fact, I'm looking at it on a plane.
I just just like Bohemian Grove and stuff.
I can't just say something and not see it for myself.
They go to these pizza places.
There's like satanic art everywhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the wrong order.
alex jones
There's there's art of these people where they're shoving children into women's vaginas.
I can't even say this stuff on air.
I mean, you know, something's going and then they have rock bands that come play there.
dan friesen
You were talking over it a tiny bit, but you missed him saying, something's going on there and stopping himself.
But in that clip, he's saying, I'm going to go to Washington, D.C. to these pizza places and research it like it's Bohemian Grove.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which we already know, Bohemian Grove was him just doing a fucking bullshit publicity stunt.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Lying about everything he did.
jordan holmes
But, like, that is a kind of revelatory way of looking at that phrase, though, is if you say something, try and see something.
Like, it's going the wrong way.
dan friesen
Right.
Right.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
It's the Alex Jones School of Non-Journalism.
jordan holmes
Right.
I just can't handle why he thinks that he is doing a good job now.
In the present?
In the way that he said that, where he's like, the media was just trying to lead us on.
What you really said is, we are the easiest to lead on people in the history of ever.
dan friesen
Well, do you remember his...
jordan holmes
We are dumb!
dan friesen
But do you remember his version of what happened with Obama's birth certificate?
Do you remember what he was saying?
He was saying that they put out the version...
that said he was born in Kenya because they knew that we couldn't resist the idea of Invalidating the Americanness of a black president.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But in reality, that Kenyan birth certificate was just to cover up that his dad is Frank Marshall Davis, a communist pornographer.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes
See, again, but your argument there is we're dumb.
dan friesen
We get tricked a lot.
jordan holmes
We are so easy to trick because we want things to be real so bad.
dan friesen
Especially these racist ones.
Or in this case, I don't even know what this is.
Yeah!
I don't even know what to call this, but...
jordan holmes
It's just giving people a fucking blueprint for how to trick you.
It's not hard.
Here's something you want to be true.
If somebody says it's true, we will believe it immediately!
dan friesen
But this happened over and over and over and over again.
You can find constant examples of them just getting tricked and trolled and shit.
jordan holmes
Right, but you're not supposed to say we got tricked.
Because then you reveal you're easy to trick.
dan friesen
You know someone who got tricked real hard?
jordan holmes
Famously.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Was Paul Joseph Watson.
He got that DM from a guy who told him a bunch of bullshit about the private tapes of Trump from behind the scenes at The Apprentice.
jordan holmes
Right.
Got a few nudes, too.
dan friesen
And how it was going to come out imminently.
And Paul Joseph Watson, without vetting anything, rushed to print and told Alex.
And Alex did a special report about how, hey, look, Donald Trump, he likes to have a good time.
He likes to say jokes.
Sometimes he might say some dirty words.
Like, all this, responding to some stranger who DM'd him from a fake account, and then later told the press about it, like, I didn't realize that they were actually going to report on this.
I just made all that up.
Of course!
Screenshots and everything.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So Paul Joseph Watson gets tricked a lot.
jordan holmes
Easy to trick.
They're stupid people.
dan friesen
So there's an article that just came out in the Daily Beast.
About Paul Joseph Watson.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And the headline of it is, Paul Joseph Watson is going to steal Alex Jones' crackpot crown, or something along those lines.
jordan holmes
So I assume he's been murdered by Alex.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Well, here's the thing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex's perspective on it is, I think on one level, kind of right, maybe.
He's like, they're just trying to sow dissension in the ranks.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And possibly.
Possibly that's true.
jordan holmes
That's kind of giving away your hand there, Alex.
dan friesen
But that's possibly someone's motivation of trying to build up Paul Joseph Watson to make Alex jealous.
It's possible.
I don't know.
I don't think that's the editorial position of the Daily Beast.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's a very...
I didn't know that the Daily Beast was a Machiavellian-run organization.
dan friesen
Listen, I don't take anything for granted anymore.
jordan holmes
Fair enough, fair enough.
dan friesen
But so I read that article, and it's really interesting because they went to...
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense, though.
Daily Beast?
Who is called the Beast?
dan friesen
Satan.
jordan holmes
Aleister Crowley.
dan friesen
Oh, Crowley.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Crowley started the Daily Beast.
dan friesen
Crowley was a beast on the Daily.
There's no doubt.
So, I read the article.
jordan holmes
You get plus one points for that.
dan friesen
Thank you.
So, I went to the article, I read it, and most of it is very even-handed.
There's quotes from Alex's ex-wife talking about how Paul Joseph Watson got paid a ton early on.
And Alex is like, I don't know if I paid him a ton.
Do you think $5,000 a month is a ton?
I'm like, yeah.
Yeah.
For writing fake articles?
Yeah.
$60,000 a year?
Yeah, I think so.
That's a good gig.
That's not bad.
jordan holmes
That's a comfortable life lying.
dan friesen
He immediately was like, oh, wait, I said a number.
He got weird about it.
But the rest of the article is like this person went to Sheffield and went...
jordan holmes
I don't even know what that is in pounds.
dan friesen
This reporter went to Sheffield and was trying to talk to people who knew him.
And most of the actual interviews that they got from people were like...
Yeah, you know, he was a nice guy.
I don't know.
They were really boring statements.
And one of the only things that they were able to, like, really refute is that in an interview, Paul Joseph Watson said that he grew up on a council estate, which is like shared government housing.
And they found where he grew up, and that's absolutely not true.
So that's the only thing.
jordan holmes
Upper middle class, probably.
dan friesen
Yeah, you get that sense.
But the rest of it isn't, like, it's not a hit piece at all.
Except for the fact that it's like, he works with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's the only part of it that's negative.
jordan holmes
Well, that's interesting because that begs the question, when did he turn into what he is now?
If he was a nice guy when they were growing up.
dan friesen
Well, it was when he started watching David Icke videos.
Because he does say, he knew that the story was going to come out and that the reporter was asking people about him.
And so he took to Twitter and started revealing stuff that does not come out in the article, except from his Twitter.
And so, like, one of the things he said was, like, don't tell Alex, but David Icke was the one who actually woke me up.
And so he started watching David Icke videos and looking into his reptilian worldview, and that eventually led him to Alex.
And it's actually really fucked up, because he says that he watched a John Ronson documentary about Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that's what made him want to get in touch with Alex.
And they interviewed Ronson about it, and he's like, uh...
jordan holmes
My bad, guys!
dan friesen
No, he doesn't say that, because he's like, I don't understand how anybody could watch that documentary and then want to go talk to Alex.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
I think we present it very clearly that he's lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think he's like, I don't understand how someone would watch that and think, oh, that's the team I want to be on.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
But apparently, Paul Joseph Watson did.
jordan holmes
So, what?
Sociopaths flock together?
Is that what you want to say?
Like, if you watch that documentary and you're like, ooh, that guy lies real good.
Better get on that train.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I'm good at lying, too.
dan friesen
I can't understand the motivation.
jordan holmes
Also, he's probably not a reptile.
John Ronson, on the other hand, you've heard him talk.
dan friesen
Reptilian.
jordan holmes
That's a reptilian voice.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
There's no raptor.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Uh-uh.
That's a reptoid all the way.
dan friesen
So, the other thing that I think is really fun...
Is that Paul Joseph Watson, in anticipation of this article coming out, he got on Twitter and announced, hey, it's probably going to come out, but I got kicked out of school because I was drunk and high all the time.
I'm like, alright, PJ Dubs?
Alright.
Alright, buddy.
It did not come out in the article, except for from his own reportage.
So, it's like...
jordan holmes
I like it whenever the subject of an interview doesn't know what's going to happen, and clearly in the interview...
Like when Alex got interviewed by Megyn Kelly, where he's like...
I told her a lot of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I do not know what she's going to use.
dan friesen
There's just that weird, like, get ahead of the story motivation.
And then when the story is a zero, you're like, oh, I...
jordan holmes
I should not have told everybody I killed six people that other...
dan friesen
Yeah, so the thing is, the reason we're talking about this is because Alex is mad about this Daily Beast story.
For one thing, because Kelly talked to them.
His ex-wife Kelly talked to them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he does not like...
jordan holmes
She's the media now, though.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's true.
He does not like the idea that she was talking about the inner workings of Infowars back when she was involved.
And he's kind of mad about that.
jordan holmes
Is she still a part owner, though?
dan friesen
Not anymore, I don't believe.
And you know what?
The way the Shell companies work, it's hard to tell where the money is.
Because she was, as I recall the last time I was looking into the corporate structure, she was an owner of Free Speech Systems.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then there's branching off from that, like InfoWars, InfoWars Health, InfoWars Life.
So there's a bunch of different places, and it's entirely possible.
I don't know.
I'm not a business attorney.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
And they've been divorced for like three years.
jordan holmes
The only reason I bring that up is because it seems to me if you are part owner or were part owner, you didn't get hit with the same NDA contracts there.
So, Alex is infuriated because he literally can't control what it is she's saying.
She doesn't have the same NDA that so many of his former employees have.
dan friesen
But that might have been a part of the divorce.
We're spitballing wildly.
It's not really constructive for us to guess.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But it's possible that a condition of alimony or something like that was you don't reveal inside information about the business.
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's a bad contract.
Get a new divorce lawyer.
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Look, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know anything.
That's what I'm saying.
And I don't want to be like Alex talking about Kanye West in 2016.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
And just randomly make stuff up.
Right.
And so, anyway, Daily Beast article.
jordan holmes
Well, she is associated with the Kardashians now.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
The Daily Beast article, super pissed off about it for that reason.
jordan holmes
Crowley.
dan friesen
But then there's another reason.
alex jones
I'm looking for men better than me.
I'm looking for women better than me.
I'm looking for people to put in the field.
And if somebody comes along way better than I am at all the skills I've got, like finding Owen Schroyer, no credit in the little stupid articles.
To that.
No, Jones is this knuckle-dragging buffoon who can't even tie his own shoelaces.
That's why all these governments listen and intelligence agencies listen and all the rest of it.
My skill on air, my oratory repertoire is not one-tenth of my main intellect.
I'm not bragging, just a fact, but I don't enjoy watching the sycophantic manipulations they put out that I know has an effect on some weak minds.
dan friesen
He just started...
And then he went to an ad pivot after that, but it was really boring, so I didn't keep it in.
But yeah, man, his big problem seems to be that the article didn't compliment him enough.
This article about someone else didn't say great things about you.
jordan holmes
If you are going to do an article about Paul Joseph Watson eventually taking over Alex Jones' crown, you have to...
Spend the first, I would say three quarters of it, saying about how great Alex Jones was for discovering the man who would supplant him.
This is a King David situation if I ever did see one.
That's the story right here.
Story, a man after God's own heart discovers replacement, probably kills his wife and has sex with her.
I don't know.
dan friesen
This is tremendously petty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, this is next-level petty.
jordan holmes
Also, he wants credit for finding Owen Schroyer?
dan friesen
We know how he found Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
He wants credit for it, though.
dan friesen
Owen called into the show.
jordan holmes
He wants credit for it.
dan friesen
Owen found him.
And Owen's not great.
jordan holmes
And you should not want the credit for finding Owen Schroyer.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You did not find the next Edward R. Murrow in Owen Troyer.
dan friesen
Stupid, stupid fucking petty bullshit.
So there's another thing that's going on.
jordan holmes
You know what else?
alex jones
My car is bigger than his.
How about that?
jordan holmes
Huh?
alex jones
You didn't talk about that.
dan friesen
His car drives on the wrong side of the road.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is he even doing?
He's a feat.
You never talk about manly men, huh?
dan friesen
He always looks like he's going to cry.
Like he's a Rococo baby.
A little French painting baby.
jordan holmes
He smells too nice!
dan friesen
But at least he is sort of understanding his own impulses, and that is that, like...
So when I was saying, you rightly criticize that the Daily Beast is not a Machiavellian outfit.
Yeah.
But that's how Alex Jones' brain works.
unidentified
Of course!
dan friesen
So he's accusing them of trying to make that happen in recognition of...
That is what I would think.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
If there's a subordinate.
jordan holmes
I believe every negative thing is said about me is part of a larger scheme to take me down.
dan friesen
Or a positive about a subordinate is a negative against me.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
Which is, holy shit.
jordan holmes
Which is one of the, I mean, it's not a terrible plan.
Because clearly Alex only hires people who aren't capable or talented enough to shoot for the crown.
dan friesen
I don't think he has a choice.
jordan holmes
That's a fair point.
dan friesen
So speaking of incompetence.
jordan holmes
Eh, there have to be other lunatics like Alex.
dan friesen
Speaking of other lunatics.
There we go.
So a while back, we covered Zach, Alex's fake intelligence source, when he pretended that the FBI had picked him up and then he had to go to Morocco.
Right.
That was a long fourth wall break.
jordan holmes
He had to get on that flight.
He had to talk to the audience the whole time.
dan friesen
Alex was saying that he went to Morocco to get out of the States because it was too hot.
And then when he interviewed Zach from Morocco, he was like, no, I'm just visiting family.
unidentified
It's very weird.
dan friesen
And then Zach, since then, has said a bunch of crazy...
jordan holmes
Do you mean hiding out with family?
dan friesen
Zach said a bunch of crazy bullshit about how they were shooting from helicopters in Las Vegas.
He said that this is a war for Mars between the United States and America.
jordan holmes
Starring Ice Cube, I believe.
dan friesen
He didn't know who the Joint Chief of Staff was when Alex was talking about him.
jordan holmes
David Rockefeller.
dan friesen
He thought that H.R. McMaster was still involved in the administration, though he'd been fired at least a week or two previous.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a bunch of indications that this guy is not legit.
jordan holmes
I believe he's actually running a hardware store, McMaster& Sons.
dan friesen
Probably now, yeah.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
So, on this episode, on the 23rd...
They do it again.
I don't know how else to put it.
They just do it again.
jordan holmes
They just do it all over again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Zach, now...
jordan holmes
Can we play the audio side by side?
Is there some way to overlay the audio to see if they break at all?
dan friesen
No, because he's become too much of a character that Alex is playing it out in real time.
And so he's like, Zach, he's about to go fly to Abu Dhabi.
And he texted me and he's been taken in by Homeland Security at the San Francisco airport.
And they want his cell phone and they want his external hard drives.
We'll try and get him on the phone.
jordan holmes
Where does Zach live?
dan friesen
Alex says he's based out of Florida.
jordan holmes
He's based out of Florida.
dan friesen
But that doesn't make sense either.
None of it makes sense.
Nothing makes sense.
But I believe that Space Command is in Florida.
No, Space Command's in Colorado.
jordan holmes
I thought that was in Colorado.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's in Colorado Springs.
jordan holmes
See, I get the feel from Zach that he is in a very, very independent improv troupe.
And he's just trying to get by.
dan friesen
Well, the last time he was on that we listened to, he had to finish the interview.
He was like, I've got to get off my lunch break.
jordan holmes
I'm getting on stage here.
unidentified
I've got to go do a zip-zap-zop.
dan friesen
Sorry, Alex.
This has been good warm-up tricking your audience.
jordan holmes
He's doing vocal exercises on the show.
dan friesen
Might as well be.
jordan holmes
Red leather, yellow leather.
That's what the Mars is about.
Red leather, yellow leather.
dan friesen
So I'm not going to play any of him because at this point, if he'd said something really, really fun, we'd play it.
But it's so boring and so much like I'm very, very convinced that it's all not real.
And I don't care necessarily to play boring, not real things on the show.
So there's no actual clips of him, but the context of it all is really funny, and that's why I'm bringing it up to discuss.
Zach is allegedly being held at San Francisco Airport by Homeland Security, who have called in the FBI, who want to look through his phone, his external hard drives, and what have you.
Still able to text Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Well, you get one phone call.
dan friesen
One text.
jordan holmes
You get one text, you get one phone call.
dan friesen
So the premise was that he was supposed to be on in the third hour.
He was going to have an interview and call in in the third hour.
But now that he's been detained by Homeland Security and all this, he might not be able to make that interview.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
But then he gets out from Homeland Security.
jordan holmes
That was fast.
dan friesen
Impound, I guess, or whatever.
And he's somehow able to call Alex Jones, who...
Apparently, why they held him is because he keeps talking to Alex Jones, which also is stretching credulity.
jordan holmes
Immediately afterwards, though, he's got the First Amendment right to call Alex Jones.
dan friesen
He's on the phone, just in the airport, giving him the bird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so in the middle of the second hour, he is now on the phone with Alex Jones, and he's like, hey, look, I gotta go.
I gotta get on this flight.
It's like, you would have been on the flight during the third hour interview if you hadn't gotten...
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
He caught a red eye.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
No matter the time.
jordan holmes
There's always another play.
dan friesen
No matter what happened.
Whether he got, quote-unquote, stopped by Homeland Security or not, he would have been on the plane during the third hour when Alex was supposed to be interviewing him.
jordan holmes
It makes no sense.
If I understand his timeline correctly, he's flagged by Homeland Security.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Talking too much to Alex Jones, we've got your picture up.
Most wanted, early 1800s Wild West style.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Bring in.
We gotta take a look at your phone.
But you, sir, you are a government agent, so you know to lock your phone, and we can't get in there.
So we gotta bring the FBI in.
Notoriously, the FBI is only 15 minutes away.
Always.
So the FBI comes in, the G-men come in wearing 1950s suits with the fedoras.
They try and unlock the phone.
They can't.
All of this takes about two hours.
Surprisingly enough, good thing, he got to the airport three hours earlier.
dan friesen
It takes about an hour.
jordan holmes
It takes about an hour.
Well, good thing, got there three hours early, the FBI recognizes that he is a flagged individual and then says, you know what, we can't get it, get on in there.
Come on, you scamp, get on on that plane.
dan friesen
I don't know how the inner workings of intelligence agencies work.
jordan holmes
Generally not that.
dan friesen
But I would say if one were concerned that you were giving privileged information to a blowhard talk show host.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They probably wouldn't let you text said blowhard talk show host to tell him.
jordan holmes
In the midst of that.
dan friesen
To tell him, hey, I'm being detained by Homeland Security and the FBI.
It seems like that would only be something that occurs to, again, a shitty improv actor.
jordan holmes
Sir, sir, we're going to need to bring you, look.
We hate to do this.
We understand.
We're going to need to bring you in the back room.
We've got to call the FBI.
You're clearly above our pay grade.
And he's like, okay, cool.
Can I have my phone to text whomever I want with no oversight whatsoever?
Oh, sure.
Come on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This just seems like a fantasy novel.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit high level.
dan friesen
To quote Carrie Cassidy, this seems like a story being played out in real time.
jordan holmes
Have you ever seen the movie Red?
dan friesen
Alright.
So there's one more thing I want to bring up before we get to...
We have one more clip left.
But there's one more just sort of talky piece.
And that is that Alex is screaming about how the globalists can mind control everybody.
jordan holmes
Like the spiders.
dan friesen
From cell phone towers.
And he's like, I've been saying it for years.
It's now in Popular Mechanics.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so I looked that up.
jordan holmes
That would be a groundbreaking article for Popular Mechanics to have.
dan friesen
I mean, it's a real article from the 19th.
And there was a journalist...
Curtis Waltman is the name of the journalist.
He was doing a FOIA request about white supremacist groups and federal law enforcement.
Right.
jordan holmes
Stumbled upon mind control.
dan friesen
The response that he got accidentally contained a zip file that was called EM effects on the human body.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
How can you accidentally...
jordan holmes
Attach that to your email.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Are they using Gmail and he was just kind of dragging and pasting wherever like a fool?
Does he have like three drafts up at the same time?
What's happening here?
dan friesen
I have no idea.
You can find the images of this from the files.
It's supposedly depicting psycho-electronic weapons.
jordan holmes
I'm interested.
dan friesen
These are not convincing in terms of...
jordan holmes
Viability?
dan friesen
Viability, number one.
And then also, it seems like these are either ideas or they are files about someone else's ideas as a write-up of them or something like that.
And even this article in Popular Mechanics says, the federal government has absolutely experimented with mind control in a variety of methods.
But the documents here do not appear to be official.
So, even the citation that Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
Then who are you talking to?
dan friesen
Yeah, even the citation Alex is making is like, alright, it's probably just something that got put on there accidentally, or it could be something that they did on purpose in order to...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
...limited hangout.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
If you put it out on Popular Mechanics, nobody's gonna take it seriously.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
unidentified
And, of course, if you have mind control, you could just make them not take it seriously.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I feel like the moment you have mind control over cell towers, it's already over, man.
There's no resistance.
They can control your mind.
Everybody has a cell phone.
You're fucked.
dan friesen
Oh, I mean, we could go over.
jordan holmes
I mean, look at the Verizon coverage map!
What are we talking about?
Everybody's fucked if they have mind control over cell towers.
dan friesen
I mean, we could go over some of this stuff, like what the images claim that it will do to you.
It's literally everything.
jordan holmes
What do you got?
dan friesen
Forced orgasm.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
dan friesen
That'll hit you in the genitals.
A hard to reach itch site on your foot.
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
This is Comedy Bag Bag, isn't it?
This is, what's his name?
dan friesen
Reading and Broadcasting Thoughts.
This is not a Duca.
jordan holmes
This is Bob Duca.
dan friesen
This is Bob Duca.
Controlled Dreams.
jordan holmes
Rubber baby buggy bumper.
dan friesen
Artificial, not organic, tinnitus.
Artificial tinnitus.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That's just a high-pitched noise.
They're just playing a high-pitched noise.
dan friesen
Wildly racing heart rate without cause.
I would argue there is very specifically a cause.
unidentified
It is this microwave weapon.
jordan holmes
What do you mean without?
Yeah, I was going to say, what do you mean without cause?
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know what this means, and there's a weird star next to it, but it says microwave hearing.
I have no idea what that means.
unidentified
There's a star?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's a star?
unidentified
Microwave here?
dan friesen
Also, this one's in quotes.
jordan holmes
Does that mean you can hear microwaves?
dan friesen
Maybe.
This one's in quotes.
jordan holmes
So it's even ironic before it begins.
dan friesen
Could be.
I don't know.
Transparent Islands.
jordan holmes
Okay, no, no, no.
So if you're mind-controlling, that means you think your eyes are closed when you can see?
dan friesen
Forced caffeine field.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
I'm afraid of that one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes
Forced caffeine field.
dan friesen
I'm not super charmed by this.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
I want all of those to be real.
dan friesen
Transparent eyelids.
jordan holmes
I especially want a hard to...
dan friesen
Microwave hearing?
jordan holmes
A hard-to-reach itch.
That is the most terrifying power a government can have over me.
dan friesen
Yeah, we've all experienced difficult-to-reach itches.
So, I believe at the top of the show and throughout I've expressed that I'm sick of Alex's bullshit.
And most of it does have to do with the lack of story progression.
jordan holmes
And the hard-to-reach itch that you've had for the past couple of days.
dan friesen
Spiritual itch, yeah, for sure.
But in this last clip that we have, it's a little long, so we'll probably stop in the middle here and there.
But this last clip, Alex is discussing his blow-up against Trump.
That Friday, last Friday blow-up that he had.
There's a couple problems.
Timeline doesn't work out.
He seems to be calling booze food, and so that's interesting.
But it's just your standard Alex Jones cowering out and being a little baby about something because he knows, like, I can't follow through with turning on daddy.
alex jones
You know, I blew up a Trump about eight, nine days ago, not last Friday, but the Friday before last, because I've been real emotional about war with Russia and the whole thing in Syria and knowing that if Trump did that, we'd be on the wrong side of history.
And then I thought that he backed off when the Secretary of Defense said, no, there's no evidence that they did the chemical attack.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
alex jones
We were going to sit down and watch an old movie or something.
They'd never seen Old Yeller.
We were actually queuing.
dan friesen
Fuck you!
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Fuck you!
unidentified
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
So really what this is, is a reaction to the death scene in Old Yeller.
dan friesen
No.
Fuck you.
That is not what you were watching.
unidentified
That is not what you were watching.
dan friesen
You stupid folksy asshole.
He's like, oh, what's the most wholesome thing I can come up with?
Old Yeller.
jordan holmes
Old Yeller.
You could have gone with the Buttercream Gang.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
unidentified
Old Yeller.
alex jones
Old Yeller up at like 8.30 at night.
jordan holmes
Where's the dog?
alex jones
I don't usually let him stay up past 10, but I wasn't going to let him do that.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I'm a good dad.
alex jones
My son's older.
He didn't want to watch Old Yeller, but my daughter's.
jordan holmes
Drink.
Had a couple drinks.
alex jones
My daughters are sitting there in my lap and everything.
I go in the bathroom.
jordan holmes
Daddy, why are you drinking so much?
alex jones
And pull up my phone.
Well, my wife's making brownies and getting ice cream ready.
jordan holmes
What is this?
unidentified
Well, I'm sitting there taking a piss.
alex jones
Looking at the phone.
dan friesen
Already I got red flags.
jordan holmes
What?
What family is this?
Is this a commercial from the 1950s?
dan friesen
It's not Alex Jones' family.
unidentified
Is she wearing a fucking apron in fucking black and white?
dan friesen
This is ludicrous.
jordan holmes
Is this all pastels and there are flowers everywhere?
What is fucking happening?
dan friesen
The only similarity to Alex Jones' family in the 1950s is Daddy's Drunk.
That's the only...
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
First spit take!
Oh, goddammit, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
That was a solid move.
That was a solid move.
dan friesen
Goddamn wine all over me.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry you got me.
alex jones
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
It was going to happen sooner or later.
dan friesen
Oh, Jesus.
A year and a half in.
Wine spit take.
jordan holmes
There is not a lot of wine, by the way.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, yeah.
That's the only...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I don't know what happened.
That one hit me hard.
dan friesen
Well, Daddy was drunk.
And here's the other problem that I have with that clip, is that Alex is presenting it as, hey, I was in the bathroom taking a piss, and I looked at my phone.
You don't look at your phone while you're taking a piss.
jordan holmes
I do sometimes.
dan friesen
That's bullshit.
No one does that.
All right, I'm going to use one of these dirty socks to clean the wine off my keyboard.
You're going to be paying for the repairs to my laptop.
jordan holmes
If you would like to donate to Knowledge Fight so Dan can afford paper towels.
dan friesen
I've got paper towels just in the other room.
So, let's get back to the clip.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I lost it on that one.
alex jones
I see Trump striking area.
And I was just eating a bunch of food and I was tired.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
And I'm like, oh.
And then Rex wanted to go to my dad's house.
He goes, I just want to stay with my grandparents tonight.
Can I go with you?
They live by the studio.
dan friesen
That's his way of trying to get around.
jordan holmes
That's him trying to get to...
That's why it happened.
He wasn't going to the studio.
He didn't force Rex and all of these people to go to the studio.
It was on the way.
dan friesen
No, that's his way of trying to get around his ex-wife's criticism that he was drunk driving with his son in the car.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he was doing that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's his way of trying to get around that.
alex jones
Like a half mile.
unidentified
So even if I was drunk, it's not that bad.
alex jones
I just get in here, and then the crew does a great job.
And I don't just say a great job.
They do an amazing job.
And Rob Doe runs up here and everything from his family.
He teaches basketball and other sports, and he runs up here.
He's got three cameras because I wanted to go live on those cameras before I went live.
And then in here, I'm just telling you what happened.
And I say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're going to go live in here.
And we're going to go live in there.
And I was mumbling.
You know, you're tired, whatever.
All of a sudden, he's like thumbs up and I realize I'm on air while I'm venting, which I don't do a lot.
dan friesen
So there's that.
jordan holmes
You were aware of the Twitter stream, were you not?
dan friesen
It does mention it.
jordan holmes
Were you self-aware enough to say, don't put this out there, let's start again.
dan friesen
Yeah, start again implies that you knew you were starting.
jordan holmes
You knew there was a beginning and an end.
dan friesen
But, I mean, this also does sort of match with the awareness that he had when he said delete this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Like, this looks real bad.
Of the things I do that are bad, this looks pretty bad.
jordan holmes
I am just interested to know...
dan friesen
I am a drunk, furious man right now.
jordan holmes
I am fascinated by the idea of being on Rob Dew's basketball team.
dan friesen
Well, it's probably with kids, you know?
jordan holmes
Right, no, but that sounds like a 90s SNL sketch.
dan friesen
I don't think...
I don't know, man.
Maybe I'm biased.
I don't think Rob Dew is probably, like, as a person, that bad a dude.
Like, I bet he'd be a great basketball coach.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but we have speculated...
dan friesen
He seems like a dorky dude.
jordan holmes
We have speculated that he is perhaps the puppet master behind this whole thing.
dan friesen
Well, that's us getting conspiratorial and, like, that's our version of Illuminati talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's...
dan friesen
You know, that's probably not true.
He seems like he's just a family guy.
He's got a bunch of kids and just also happens to work for a vicious white nationalist propagandist.
jordan holmes
It happens!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Who amongst us?
alex jones
Maybe, like, every couple weeks.
Been a little of it today because I forgot to eat breakfast this morning and worked out hard.
By noon, I had a headache.
I was getting grumpy.
I went, oh, I forgot to eat.
Better eat something.
But I'm just explaining the psychology for listeners to understand that this isn't an act here on air.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
Okay, this is what we're really doing.
We really believe in this.
And I'm in control most of the time.
But the emotion got to me, and I was already going, man, I'm sick of Trump.
dan friesen
Emotion means booze.
alex jones
This is BS.
You better not be going sideways.
F this, F that.
And I'm saying F...
I meant to say Dumford, because I've heard he's somewhat pro-war.
And I can't say that, because it's all...
Very opaque.
But I'm saying F. Mattis.
Mattis is the one trying to stop it.
That's confirmed.
That's what I mean.
It was just kind of an incoherent train wreck.
dan friesen
If you're talking about your presentation and what you did being an incoherent train wreck.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Agreed.
That is not fake news.
jordan holmes
That is top level analysis of what that is.
dan friesen
That is a moment of insight.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So where are you at?
jordan holmes
Boy.
You know what?
This satisfies all of my curiosity.
dan friesen
You kind of got the full spectrum.
jordan holmes
Everything makes sense.
I accept this as the timeline of events that is not at all made up.
dan friesen
Two hours before the show, I was sitting around with my wife and my loving family trying to watch Old Yeller and enjoy a brownie with some ice cream because someone had said that Syria was a false flag and I agreed with it and it was great.
Then I mysteriously took a piss and looked at my phone and saw Trump is bombing and I had eaten a whole lot of food and was emotional.
And so I got on air and twice started screaming obscenities while Rob Dew videotaped me and I told him to delete it but he fucking didn't delete it.
And then I got on air for three hours, and man, I just kept eating because I kept getting more emotional.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I mean, the food just really...
jordan holmes
You know what?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I was hangry.
Have you seen those Snickers commercials?
That'll happen.
That'll happen.
dan friesen
I ate a meal that I was really full.
unidentified
Too full.
dan friesen
But then somehow I kept getting more full.
To the point where I ended up crying on air and saying that Trump shoves ISIS up his dirty asshole.
jordan holmes
That's food for you.
dan friesen
That's food.
unidentified
We've all been there.
jordan holmes
It's food for you.
dan friesen
We've all been there.
jordan holmes
You know, you have a pizza, all of a sudden you want breadsticks.
You have some breadsticks, all of a sudden you want a salad.
You have a salad, all of a sudden you want to tell people that ISIS has shoved up dirty assholes.
Like, that happens.
dan friesen
Also, wasn't the world supposed to end today?
Wasn't that one of those...
jordan holmes
Eh, it's always supposed to end.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Come on, it's always supposed to end.
dan friesen
Let's finish this clip up.
alex jones
And then dudes like doing thumbs up looking at me.
And I'm like...
jordan holmes
Secret mastermind.
alex jones
I'm looking for men better than me.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
I'm looking for men better than me.
unidentified
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
What'd you do?
alex jones
I'm looking...
dan friesen
The wine...
jordan holmes
My spit take has ruined the show.
dan friesen
The wine has affected my laptop.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
In a way that is no good.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
What happened?
Did I break this down?
dan friesen
Yeah, you did.
jordan holmes
Is this not recording anymore?
dan friesen
No, it's still recording, but my mouse doesn't work.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
Oh, no!
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So it's still recording, but now I don't know if I can stop it from recording.
Or if I can play the end of this clip.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
Because now the iTunes...
Oh, there we go.
I have control again.
Wow.
That was weird.
I didn't do anything and it fixed itself.
jordan holmes
If there's a layer of moisture on top of it, sometimes the signal won't connect correctly.
dan friesen
All right, so I'm going to jump back to this clip around about where we were.
jordan holmes
All right.
And I am not going to spit take again.
dan friesen
I appreciate it.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
That are LED, which are so good.
I mean, all these lights are not a pair of the others.
And we were up here until 6 or 7 putting the lights in.
And I get home, and Sunday morning, there's like a 30-second video where they just...
We had a live feed cameras in here.
Somebody took them down and then they did a live feed.
And I'm not mad about it.
It didn't show anything.
There was nothing to show.
It's them talking about fixing lights.
But then it creates the whole other story.
Is Jones faking this?
You know, would he really rant and say, wait a minute, that's live.
Turn that off.
That's what made me get even more pissed.
Because I wasn't ready to go live.
But it's my fault not being clear.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, go live there before here and then go live there.
Go live.
And then he sees me start ranting.
He thinks, well, he's going live.
He thought he messed up.
And then I'm like, I just screwed up.
So then I'm even more mad.
And then that fuels the explosion about Trump.
jordan holmes
And I was eating food.
alex jones
I was mad, but I didn't, it's not like I hate Trump now and he's evil and he's bad.
It's just that it hurt my feelings and upset me and I was on.
dan friesen
Fuck your feelings.
Let me quote the all right.
Let me quote the all right.
Fuck your feelings.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly...
dan friesen
Let me quote Stefan Molyneux.
Feelings aren't facts.
jordan holmes
His main issue with Trump striking Syria was that it hurt his feelings?
dan friesen
Well, you do notice that there's literally nothing about that in that entire four-minute clip.
unidentified
Not at all.
dan friesen
Nothing about the principle of it.
Nothing about, like, I'm still super against this.
jordan holmes
You know how when you're...
dan friesen
I ate too much and Rob Do pissed me off.
jordan holmes
You know how when you're lying, you don't add...
A million details that are not important to the story.
You know how that always works out?
When you're lying, you're always like, I'm going to stay quick and to the point and I'm going to get the story across.
That's what liars do.
They definitely don't talk and ramble for four minutes creating a false family.
dan friesen
No, the family is real, but the image of them is fake.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
That four minutes.
It's infuriating to me.
jordan holmes
It's the dumbest four minutes I've heard in a long time.
dan friesen
It's where I had to shut it off.
I had to shut off the show because I was like, I'm so sick of this bullshit.
Just own it that you are mad at Trump about this.
You still should be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You still should be.
jordan holmes
Even if you support him on all of his other positions, you should still have the balls to be like...
This guy's not perfect.
He fucked up.
dan friesen
I stand behind the things that I said because they came from a place of me being very anti-war and I don't want to trigger things and make things even worse.
That's all you have to say.
jordan holmes
You can still give a the good outweighs the bad argument.
dan friesen
You could.
And you could get around the embarrassing stuff.
The stuff where he's crying on air about I gave up everything for Trump.
And that sort of stuff.
You could get around that by doing the emotional I mean, I still don't buy the I ate a meal argument.
That's fucking stupid.
unidentified
What did he eat?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Fried chicken makes people a little wild.
dan friesen
We know that his excuse about his custody hearing was he had a big bowl of chili.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, so maybe.
jordan holmes
So it could be five alarm.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Could be five alarm chili.
That's what's going on.
dan friesen
I just, I mean, like you could get around, like I'm saying, you get around the embarrassing stuff with your stupid excuses.
You could do that.
But then you wouldn't have to, like, you don't, that three hour presentation was.
So stupid and so embarrassing.
But it doesn't have to be now for him.
He could still...
Like, this is the third act that could exist that we could still be, like, maybe engaged with where he brings nuance to his situation where he's like, I do still have those principles that I believe in.
I don't trust Trump implicitly.
I don't want to just scream, but he's a great man.
Kanye West indicating that he's coming this direction or whatever, that's not enough for me to go back on everything I've said about him over the years.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There is a version of it that could be interesting, and this is not interesting.
jordan holmes
I think if you say the word nuance in Alex's presence, he starts barking.
Like, he just...
dan friesen
I don't think he has the energy to bark.
unidentified
Unless he's just eaten.
dan friesen
All of his dogs that he's ever mentioned have been sickly, though.
So I don't know if he's ever seen a healthy dog.
jordan holmes
He has Munchausen's dog by proxy.
dan friesen
That's probably true.
So this brings us to the end of April 23rd, 2018.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
How do we do?
We make it through?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Are you going to be okay, Dan?
dan friesen
That spit take took a lot out of me.
unidentified
Took a lot out of me, too.
dan friesen
Literally.
I enjoy the ability to pull back these clips of him being like, Kanye's pretty cool, I like his music, and then be like, well, he made a song called I Am God, I Am A God, which you shouldn't like that.
You said he was a slave master in 2016.
I like being able to point out this Pizzagate stuff, but it's just...
It's not that that was all our show was.
I don't think that that would be an echo chamber, but it's not satisfying enough for me.
There needs to be more, and he's not giving us more in the present.
We were talking about this before we got on air, and this is mostly distractions.
He's mostly doing distraction shit right now.
As much as it's attention-grabbing and headline-grabbing with all the lawsuits and all the bullshit, it doesn't give him a dick hard.
And so...
jordan holmes
I would have very much appreciated a far more in-depth conversation about Yeezus, which is a very interesting album.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
And I think Alex would have...
dan friesen
Oh, I'd love his version of it.
jordan holmes
Oh, exactly!
dan friesen
I don't want to have that conversation, but I'd love to hear it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
I want to hear that so bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want him and Owen Schroyer to really get into Kanye's catalog.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would be a delight for me.
dan friesen
Halfway through that, they just put on that ludicrous move, bitch song.
alex jones
I like hip-hop.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
So, peace out.
You can find your boy in the past.
I'll be looking into 2009.
jordan holmes
Are you the guy in that old-timey picture who's holding a cell phone?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Is that you?
Yeah.
unidentified
You can find me in the past.
dan friesen
But this has been fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I've had fun.
unidentified
I liked it.
dan friesen
But if you want more of the show...
jordan holmes
You're so forlorn.
dan friesen
It's the eve of my birthday.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know?
I'm going to turn 34 in like three hours.
jordan holmes
Well, happy birthday.
dan friesen
Thanks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're welcome.
Alright.
How do you feel about 34?
unidentified
Jesus died at 34. Interesting.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
You got a little bit of the Catholic Jesus in you.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Looking a little Catholic Jesus-y right now.
dan friesen
If you want to find more about Catholic Yeezus, go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
There you go, right there.
I'll repost all of my Kanye-based articles from the past.
I've written a lot about Kanye.
dan friesen
I don't want you to repost those, please.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I've probably written at least 10 or 11,000 words about Kanye.
dan friesen
As the webmaster of knowledgefight.com, I'm going to ask you to not.
jordan holmes
I have a lot of important things to say.
dan friesen
I do not control your content.
You know, I'm not an authoritarian about this.
I let you say some horrible things in your blog.
unidentified
But please don't turn it into a Kanye West review.
I might.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
I'll do it.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Also, we're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
You can find us on iTunes.
dan friesen
Also on Facebook.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
June 15th.
dan friesen
We're in Austin.
jordan holmes
We're in Austin.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
We're gonna, if we do this every show, it's gonna be a lot between now and then.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, let's not plug it until, like, late May.
dan friesen
Eh, it's nice to keep reminding people.
jordan holmes
Eh, I don't think we should tell people until very close.
dan friesen
Oh, let's let them try and forget.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Alright, let's see if that works.
jordan holmes
We're bad at advertising.
dan friesen
Yeah, terrible.
Perhaps the worst.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I think it's on you.
I think it's on you tonight.
unidentified
Mmm.
jordan holmes
If you say Kanye West, I will murder you after this show.
dan friesen
No, because I don't care.
It's the same thing we've been talking about.
I don't care.
I mean...
This is what I'm talking about.
I can't get it up for any of this.
You know what I mean?
I hate to keep using boner metaphors, but who do we have in our periphery from this episode?
We got Kanye.
I don't care.
We got Alex.
That's gauche.
That's old hat to tell him to fuck himself.
We got Zach.
I don't give a fuck about Zach.
jordan holmes
Nah, Zach seems like an alright guy.
dan friesen
Seems like he's doing the best he can.
jordan holmes
Yeah, other than...
I mean, even then, I don't even think it's a bad thing to lie to Alex that brazenly.
I kind of appreciate it on some level.
alex jones
Ah.
dan friesen
I will say this.
Everybody in Sheffield who refused to say negative things about Paul Joseph Watson for that Daily Beast article can go fuck themselves.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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