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April 23, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#153: More Mark Richards Fun

Today, Dan needs an "Alex Jones Break," so he decided to go back and see if there were any old Mark Richards interviews on Project Camelot that he hasn't told Jordan about yet. As luck would have it, he found a few, and Jordan finally gets to learn the truth about all of America's wars, whether or not AI have souls, and the mysterious "ant beings."

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dan friesen
29:06
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jordan holmes
20:56
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kerry cassidy
13:10
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alex jones
00:03
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
If you were to describe this podcast to, let's say, an alien.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But an alien that knew a suspicious amount.
What sort of alien are we talking about?
Of Greek history.
Let's call it Minerva.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What would you tell them about this podcast?
dan friesen
I would say, hello, sentient, intelligent spaceship Minerva.
jordan holmes
How you doing?
dan friesen
I know a lot about Alex Jones and this guy over here, he doesn't know anything about him.
That's what I would tell that spaceship.
jordan holmes
I wonder what she would say in response.
dan friesen
She would probably say, I assume that she's a bird.
unidentified
I've always pictured her as a bird in my head.
jordan holmes
An interstellar bird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
For those of you who have no idea what Jordan is making a reference to, you'll figure it out soon enough.
What?
Before we get into today's episode, I would like to give a shout-out to a couple of new donors.
What's going on out there, William?
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, William.
jordan holmes
William Wallace, please do not shout freedom.
dan friesen
Give me liberty or give me a donation.
jordan holmes
Let's start over.
dan friesen
Hey, spoiler alert, we had to start over the intro, and it's a good thing that we did because it turns out it wasn't recording.
jordan holmes
Ah, there we go!
dan friesen
Turns out we did terribly the first time trying to...
jordan holmes
It was a rocky road.
dan friesen
Indeed.
Also, I'd like to give a shout out to Chris.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Chris.
jordan holmes
Chris Hemsworth, you are a very attractive man.
Thank you for donating to the show.
dan friesen
Indeed, thank you so much.
Also, shout out to Stephen.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Stephen.
jordan holmes
Stephen Wright, what are you doing donating to this podcast?
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
You wouldn't like our lack of one-liners.
dan friesen
What an honor.
I'd also like to give a shout out to Lori.
jordan holmes
I'm running out.
I'm running out.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Laurie.
jordan holmes
Laurie Markainen, rookie basketball player for the Bulls this year.
You didn't do that bad.
dan friesen
That's right.
Get some of that NBA money coming our way.
jordan holmes
He's from Finland.
dan friesen
That's cool.
That is real cool.
I don't know.
We've got a lot of Finnish listeners.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Well, then now it is cool.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
And speaking of cool things.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
I'm sick and tired of...
I was not in the mood to talk about Alex Jones today.
You know, long weekend.
I don't want to talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Tell me about it.
dan friesen
And so I decided to go check in with Project Camelot.
jordan holmes
With our girl, Carrie Cassidy.
dan friesen
I did.
We've been long waiting with bated breath for the new Mark Richards interview that she did.
jordan holmes
Did we get some Mark Richards today?
dan friesen
We didn't.
But here's the deal.
I listened to the old ones.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I found a bunch of interviews that she did with him that we have not talked about.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we're going to learn a lot more about Mark Richards, a.k.a.
Space Command pilot, also known as guy who...
jordan holmes
The Pendragon.
dan friesen
The guy who orchestrated a murder and is doing life in prison.
For those of you who don't know what we're talking about, I think it's best you probably...
jordan holmes
The secret of 2017 is what we are talking about.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I think the best thing for you to do...
Is not get an explanation from us right now.
I think you should go just find those old episodes and start from the top.
jordan holmes
Or just enjoy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's our next thing.
That's our next investigation.
Let's start from the beginning of Mark Richards and then figure out where we go from there.
Because we had done the 7th and 8th interviews, right?
dan friesen
Right, and this is the 5th and 6th.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see?
Well, we've got to go all the way back to the beginning.
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
I want to know what the genesis of this was.
dan friesen
Well, I think the genesis, the first one was the one we did.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure.
jordan holmes
That was a delight.
Joanne is such a sweet woman, inexplicably married to a murderer.
dan friesen
So, here is an out-of-context drop from today's episode.
kerry cassidy
He said that Britain is under the...
Kind of control, to some degree, of the Black Dragon Queen.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
Very exciting.
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
I felt like we desperately needed something fun.
jordan holmes
The Black Dragon Queen?
dan friesen
The Black Dragon Queen, my friend.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
I'm in.
He also goes on to explain that when people are in the service of the Queen, that's the Queen they're talking about.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Not the Queen of England.
jordan holmes
The Black Dragon Queen.
All right.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
Mark.
jordan holmes
You're spinning some great bullshit.
dan friesen
He's absolutely the best.
So this report starts out...
jordan holmes
Are we talking Dungeons& Dragons style black dragon where the queen spits acid?
dan friesen
I have no idea.
You know what?
One of the things that's great about Mark Richards is he plays real fast and loose with details.
He just says something like that and then does not explain it.
You'll even have Carrie be like, he did not elaborate.
Not surprised.
jordan holmes
Doesn't need to.
dan friesen
Yeah, so every single time Carrie Cassidy goes to interview Mark Richards at Vacaville Prison, she comes back and she explains what he's told her.
Because she can't get a recording device into the prison.
jordan holmes
Right.
She has to write it all down with pencil.
dan friesen
And that is this first clue.
jordan holmes
And I believe her pencil privileges were taken away as well, right?
dan friesen
Not at this point.
She still had pencil privileges.
jordan holmes
She still got pencil privileges.
All right.
dan friesen
And she has to make a fucking point of it every single time that I had to use a pencil.
kerry cassidy
Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
unidentified
Hi, Carrie.
kerry cassidy
I'm here to talk about my recent interview with Captain Mark Richards of the Secret Space Program.
Or Captain Mark Richards of Space Command, in essence.
I was out to see him at Vacaville Prison with his wife, Joanne Richards, and that was Saturday, October 22, 2016.
So I'm going to go through a lot of notes that I've taken.
I only am allowed a small pencil.
dan friesen
Yeah, we know.
jordan holmes
Like a golf pencil?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Just in case they're like, well, we know this interview absolutely has an end.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Once the pencil has gone completely.
dan friesen
She does say she goes in for like four hours.
jordan holmes
That's bananas.
dan friesen
That would be...
I want to get him recorder privileges.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Because that four-hour audio has got to be chock full of things that she's just forgotten about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what could it possibly...
What could you...
Of course you could talk to him for four hours if you were just letting him spin his yarns.
That would be a delight.
But at a certain point, wouldn't you have diminishing returns and just be like, whoo, you are still going.
dan friesen
I would assume there's a lot of him going, hmm, whenever she asks a question or something like that.
Here's the thing.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Right?
It's raptors.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
They love chocolate.
jordan holmes
Do you think she ever leads him on with a question?
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And he just gives a boilerplate answer.
He's just like, oh, yeah, well, see, there are a lot of car accidents, and there's really no explanation other than human error.
And she's like, is there?
No, no, no.
My bad.
My bad.
It's spiders.
It's spiders.
No, no, no.
Spiders are why car crashes happen.
dan friesen
I would guarantee that almost every question is a leading question in this relationship between the two of them.
unidentified
Good point.
dan friesen
One of them is a researcher journalist who believes everything people tell her.
jordan holmes
Literally everything.
dan friesen
And the other is a lunatic murderer who's in prison for life.
But don't let that perception that I'm painting, don't let that fool you.
All right?
Which you need to know.
jordan holmes
He is Captain Mark Richards of Space Command.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
The son!
dan friesen
Of the...
unidentified
What's his name?
jordan holmes
I can't remember.
What do they call him?
Like the colonel or something?
dan friesen
Something like that.
The colonel.
jordan holmes
The commander, maybe?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's some honorific title.
But look, we can make jokes all day about how this guy is a murderer and he's tricking this poor woman.
jordan holmes
Yes, we can.
I don't believe we can't.
dan friesen
But what you should know is that in prison, he...
Has people working for him.
kerry cassidy
And I want to say that Mark has another officer who reports to him and has reported it to him, he says, for over 40 years.
Who's in prison with him at Vacaville.
And this prisoner was a...
Killed a child molester and is not sorry to have done so.
Sorry, not sorry.
Apparently is in prison with Mark and has been reporting to Mark for 40 years.
His name is Bach, and I think that's okay to release.
dan friesen
I guess so, because it's not true.
I guess it's okay to release that.
jordan holmes
His name is Bach.
dan friesen
He has a guy who he's friends with in prison, which is great.
I think that's great to have a social life within a prison.
jordan holmes
His name is Bach.
Johann Sebastian Bach.
dan friesen
Like, the balls on this guy.
I love it.
To be like...
Now, Carrie, I do have a guy who's reporting to me.
jordan holmes
Who has reported to me for 40 years at a certain point.
I mean, come on, man.
You gotta recommend him for a promotion or something.
dan friesen
Is he in the secret space program, too?
That's unclear.
jordan holmes
He's just a guy who reports to him.
dan friesen
What are the odds that there would be two murderers?
jordan holmes
He's more of a confidential informant.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what it really is.
dan friesen
He's a jailhouse snitch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So, at this point...
jordan holmes
He's reported to him for...
What is he, Jeeves?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Are you actually his butler?
dan friesen
He's his gentleman's gentleman.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
It's very bizarre, that idea.
But it does create a really flight of fancy kind of image in my head.
I'm picturing...
A lot of...
I mean, we've covered Mark Richards on a couple episodes, and it's like...
jordan holmes
Never enough.
dan friesen
It's like, this dude is crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, like, this introduces a new level of, like, kind of crazy.
He's got a bureaucracy in prison that he's imagining.
jordan holmes
Well, it's more of a military hierarchy, I believe.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
But we're clowning.
We're having some fun here.
But look...
I want you to know that on this report where Carrie Cassidy has gone to prison to talk to Mark Richards, it's not devoid of real journalism.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
At this point, Carrie stumbles into a story that I don't think anyone's ever told.
kerry cassidy
So Mark has, as I said, talked a little bit about the work he's doing in the prison, and he also talked about, very briefly, race relations in the prison because apparently...
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
kerry cassidy
Those are an issue.
Apparently, blacks, whites, and Latinos are, you know, separated by gangs, and he's not allowed to be, like, friends with a black prisoner, for example, because gang leaders don't allow it.
He can be acquaintances with them, but...
dan friesen
Here's a big scoop.
Mark Richards is a little white supremacist prison gang.
jordan holmes
Well, you gotta survive.
dan friesen
No, I understand.
jordan holmes
You gotta survive.
dan friesen
Like, I understand that, but still.
Still, man.
That's wild.
jordan holmes
I love that she's shocked by this.
She's like, apparently there is a racial issue in prison.
dan friesen
She's presenting herself as like a journalist who has like top secret intelligence sources and like the highest level of secret government and shit.
And yeah, she's surprised by the idea of like...
There's segregation in prison.
jordan holmes
Okay, have we considered this possibility?
Maybe she's never seen a movie.
dan friesen
Or any TV?
jordan holmes
Yeah, nothing.
She's never seen any televised or any kind of entertainment.
She's never read a book.
It's just...
All this.
So of course she believes everything.
She doesn't know people can lie.
dan friesen
It would be tough for her to make, first of all, all the movie references that she makes, if that were the case.
And then second, she's just basically rattling off the plot of movies that her inside sources tell her.
jordan holmes
But again, if she hasn't seen them, if she's just getting this information, she doesn't realize that people can use creativity in order to make up falsehoods.
dan friesen
People are just conning.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's possible.
It's possible.
I'm not entirely sure, but what I am sure about is something that has never been discussed in any of these other Mark Richards episodes that we've looked at, are the possibility.
I don't know if you've heard about this.
jordan holmes
I like possibilities.
When it comes to Captain Mark Richards, I like possibilities.
dan friesen
I don't know if you've heard this, Jordan, if you've ever heard this from any reputable source or disreputable source.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know if you've heard this, but there is a chance that there are secret underground android armies.
kerry cassidy
He said, regarding a possible army of underground androids belonging to the U.S. and China, he doesn't think that they exist because his reasoning is that had the battle reached ground level, we would already have lost.
Nobody fights an equal, he says.
You always fight when you have one step ahead in terms of an advantage technologically.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
kerry cassidy
He said if we can't defend the planet from a ground invasion, it's too late.
And that most of the battles in the secret space program, therefore, are fought in the skies.
Some of this seems to be a bit contradictory because we do know he's also saying that what's going on in the Middle East is a battle.
To destroy a lot of underground bases belonging to Reptoids.
dan friesen
Yeah, don't think about that too much.
kerry cassidy
That is a bombing campaign, basically.
So I think that I needed to talk more with him about that, but in the context of the two- or three-hour interview that I had, we had a slew of questions, and as we drill down, then more questions occur to me.
It's kind of like an ongoing story.
jordan holmes
Always the wrong question.
dan friesen
You missed that last bit that she said.
jordan holmes
It's kind of an ongoing story.
dan friesen
It's kind of like an ongoing story.
jordan holmes
It's kind of like he's making it up and telling it to me in these chunks over a long period of time.
It's almost like he's some sort of serialized entertainment that I get like a boy's adventure mag from the 1920s.
dan friesen
He doesn't want her to leave because otherwise he's just got Bach.
In prison, and that's a 40-year working relationship.
That's not your buddy.
jordan holmes
No, they still haven't become friends.
dan friesen
No, absolutely not.
unidentified
You've got to have a very professional relationship with Bob.
dan friesen
Terse and strict hierarchy between the two of them.
I think that moment...
jordan holmes
Officers can't fraternize with the enlisted men.
dan friesen
No, not a chance.
That moment where she's like, it's kind of like a story that's playing out.
It's the first of two times on this episode where Carrie just describes what lying is.
Oh no!
jordan holmes
It's kind of like he's making it up as he's going along.
And obviously he's not.
Because he has an answer for all of these questions.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Sure, sometimes his answers are contradictory.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But that's probably box false information.
That's a disinformation campaign that's purposefully being run on her.
Because you've got to have some sort of deniability.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, it makes perfect sense.
unidentified
What?
What?
jordan holmes
Oh, you got very excited.
dan friesen
She talks about that all the time.
I don't have any clips of it, but she talks about it all the time.
this idea of plausible deniability is why the Secret Space Program allows Mark Richards to say these things.
Because everyone already thinks he's a murderer.
Who cares if he says this crazy stuff that's all true?
unidentified
That doesn't work.
jordan holmes
He's the only person who can get the truth out there.
dan friesen
Right, right.
That sort of article leaves me cold.
I'm not charmed by that as an argument.
I think that's very stupid.
But hey.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
I think also it's fascinating because any of these moments where Carrie cuts through the clouds a little bit and is like, hey, that's a contradiction, is kind of fascinating.
I mean, that's a huge contradiction.
unidentified
Massive.
dan friesen
He's like, if we can't fight them in space, it's all over.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, of course we are.
We're fighting them on the ground.
dan friesen
There's portals everywhere that keep getting bombed.
jordan holmes
These goddamn portals.
dan friesen
That's your whole idea.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
So the United States and China have a joint underground android army, or they both have their own separate android armies?
dan friesen
That's a great question.
It's never answered.
I imagined they were separate, and they were going to do battle.
jordan holmes
No, that's the android army defense force against a ground invasion.
dan friesen
You're probably right.
jordan holmes
That's the first instance of really good international cooperation that I can point to in recent times.
dan friesen
Given context clues, I bet you're right, but it's never really specified, so I don't know.
Jordan, I got a question for you.
unidentified
What do they look like?
jordan holmes
Do they look more like android, like robot kind of things, or do they look more like cyborgs?
unidentified
Probably cyborgs.
dan friesen
Do they look like people?
Probably cyborgs.
jordan holmes
Probably, yeah.
dan friesen
Like that guy from Mortal Kombat.
jordan holmes
Jax?
dan friesen
Jax.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, you're a student of history.
Oh, yes.
You like to know things.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
What was World War II about?
I asked you that question.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I think I'm going to find out.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think everything you know is wrong.
jordan holmes
I think that might be the case.
kerry cassidy
He said that there are, again, World War II was fought between four ET races, the Nordics, the Reptoids, the Dracos, and the Grays.
And then the human beings.
dan friesen
That's five.
jordan holmes
The battle of five armies.
kerry cassidy
The Nordics from Aldebaran are the ones that help the Nazis, of course.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
kerry cassidy
He said the Greys are always available to the highest bidder.
dan friesen
Damn Greys.
kerry cassidy
And in this case, the Reps and Nordics take control over them, from what I understand.
dan friesen
Cool, cool.
The Reps.
jordan holmes
The Reps?
unidentified
She's even got a little shorthand for it.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
You get these Reps over here.
That's almost like racial slang.
I'm fine with it.
I don't know.
I think in World War II, that would be equivalent to calling them the Japs.
dan friesen
Yeah, but...
jordan holmes
See, that's an issue.
That's racist.
dan friesen
They don't exist.
jordan holmes
That's not the point!
I don't appreciate racism even within the false world.
dan friesen
Even hypothetical fantasy racism?
jordan holmes
Even hypothetical fantasy racism.
dan friesen
But you know, even if you take the real world piece of it, this is kind of Holocaust denial.
This is the lightest of Holocaust denial.
jordan holmes
No, the Nordics are the ones who are doing it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I think that accepts that white people are evil.
dan friesen
Sort of takes human agency away from it a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah, well, a little bit.
dan friesen
They were under the sway of the Aldabara.
jordan holmes
He's those goddamn greys.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Fucking mercenaries.
dan friesen
I mean, that could be what World War II is about.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Entirely possible.
dan friesen
I dropped out of high school before I finished AP history.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Wait.
Did she say that's what World War II was about, or just who was fighting it?
dan friesen
It was a power struggle betwixt the four alien races.
We're going to learn more about some of our wars a little bit later.
jordan holmes
We got a laundry list of wars to rewrite?
dan friesen
We do.
Pretty much all of them.
But before we get there...
jordan holmes
This is like it doing punch-up on history.
That's what's going on here.
dan friesen
It does make it a little more fun.
Before we get to any of that stuff, though, Jordan...
For all the fans of the Project Camelot Mark Richards series, they know that his best friends are the Raptors.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He loves the Raptor aliens.
jordan holmes
Which, again...
I feel like the Reptoids may actually be the good guys in this fight.
dan friesen
Because he is a murderer and a bad guy.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If he's friends with the Raptors, they must be bad.
jordan holmes
Kind of suggests that they are.
dan friesen
And we've learned that they will eat you for a chocolate bar.
They'll kill you for chocolate.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That's just, that's acceptable.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
That doesn't necessarily mean evil.
Instincts can take over any of us.
unidentified
And they might have been in Jurassic World.
That's right.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
And there's another update.
jordan holmes
Doing some background work.
dan friesen
There's another update.
I didn't get the clip of this, but it turns out there's like a T-Rex showcase that goes around and people see the animatronic T-Rex, what have you.
jordan holmes
Is it like six raptors inside of a T-Rex outfit?
dan friesen
No, no, no, but there are raptors animatronics along with it, too.
unidentified
Oh, well, of course.
dan friesen
And Mark Richards is reporting that some of the real raptors are there.
And Carrie is like, if you're kids, you know, if you guys want to go out and pet a real raptor.
Makes me so sad.
jordan holmes
I like that.
I like that a lot.
dan friesen
Makes me so bummed out.
jordan holmes
Maybe this is just underground buzz marketing.
Maybe Mark Richards still has a part ownership stake in how well they do.
dan friesen
I wouldn't be too surprised.
I mean, it is...
Listen, we've got to learn some more about raptors.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
kerry cassidy
He said that raptors prefer their food source to be hunted, so they like deer and elk, and also that they have...
What they basically did prior to the extinction of the dinosaurs is they took herds of dinosaurs off the planet to raise them as cattle on their own planet and to raise them as a food source.
And they regarded...
Humans as a kind of caviar.
unidentified
Cool.
kerry cassidy
At this time, as I've said in other interviews, they have decided to work with us.
In fact, they fought alongside us, I guess, in World War II, or started to, and saw that we were...
Very good fighters.
That helped to change their mind about us to some degree.
And they also, as I said, their queen decided that their best trajectory for their race in terms of its development into the future was to align itself with humans.
So that's what they are doing now.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Makes sense.
jordan holmes
That's just good long-term planning.
dan friesen
I would like to say that there's something that you probably didn't recognize that's implied by that.
Clip that I think just flies right under the radar.
unidentified
What's that?
dan friesen
That is that dinosaurs are not extinct.
They live in space now.
jordan holmes
Well, but they're hunting deer and elk, so perhaps they farmed their own dinosaurs to extinction.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's possible.
jordan holmes
That's definitely in the...
Which dinosaurs did they take?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
From which period?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Did they go with the Cretaceous period?
The Triassic?
What are we talking about?
dan friesen
Also, they're raptors.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but that's not the point.
unidentified
It is the point.
dan friesen
It is the point.
jordan holmes
Also, if they prefer their meals to be hunted, why would you raise anything as cattle?
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
That's a big problem.
But also, if you are a raptor, and you come from a planet where you're raptors, and you're super intelligent, and you can speak, and what have you.
jordan holmes
You've mastered interstellar travel.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Hundreds of millions of years ago, and yet your technology has not really advanced beyond that point.
dan friesen
Well, I'm not really concerned with that for the time being.
Yes.
I'm more concerned with the idea that, like...
Carrie seems to think that they came up on a planet with one species on it.
They had to come to Earth to get dinosaurs because there's no resources or other species on their fucking planet.
jordan holmes
I prefer to imagine they just stumbled upon the dinosaurs and were like, holy shit, look at you guys!
You're like us!
It's like we're looking in the mirror.
Come on back.
Come on!
dan friesen
So they told us that we were going to take them out and we're going to eat them.
We're going to farm them like cattle.
But in reality, they were like, we're going to make them smarter.
We're going to help them evolve on our planet safe from the meddling influence of meteors and humans.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, you got to do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's possible.
I don't know.
This is such bullshit.
This is high-level bullshit.
But humans are caviar.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do they put them on top of, like, a dinosaur pate?
Like, what are we talking about?
dan friesen
Cracker, you get a little pate, and then a human.
Yeah, I think so.
jordan holmes
A little dinosaur cracker?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think the raptors are much bigger than humans.
The idea that we're like caviar is absurd.
jordan holmes
I mean, do you put a whole...
Is a whole human caviar?
dan friesen
I can't imagine that's the case.
jordan holmes
Do they...
Like, what are we talking about?
dan friesen
Texturally, you don't want the head.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because that skull is a problem.
And I know this much about raptors.
Not very agile with their hands.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
They would not be good cooks.
jordan holmes
Well, you know.
Everybody makes do.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think if you have almost non-functioning hands, it's going to be tough to cook.
jordan holmes
And if you prefer your meals hunted, it seems like cooking is out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I also don't think that most predatory animals even care about delicacies.
Or like treats?
I don't think they do.
I think they like blood.
jordan holmes
That is specious, Dan.
dan friesen
That is true.
Specious and specious.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, thank God the raptor queen is cool with us now and everything is good.
They don't eat us except when they have chocolate.
When we have chocolate, they want.
jordan holmes
So if you have chocolate, then you are both caviar and chocolate at the same time.
dan friesen
Chocolate caviar, yeah.
Perfect.
It's a treat on a treat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's a hat on a hat.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Put a little gold leaf on there and you, my friend, are in business.
dan friesen
Jordan, do you believe in teleportation?
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Good.
jordan holmes
What kind of teleportation?
dan friesen
Well, you see, that's...
unidentified
There we go.
That's what's important.
dan friesen
You need to know that there's multiple ways to teleport.
jordan holmes
I do know that.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
There are multiple ways to teleport.
dan friesen
What do you think the multiple ways are?
Because I guarantee you that they're not the same as Mark Richards.
jordan holmes
Well, one of them, of course, is to be broken down at the atomic level and transported instantly, wherein you have to ask yourself the question, am I still me?
Or am I just another collection of particles?
That isn't necessarily myself.
The other, I think, is what?
Has to do with quantum tangling, maybe?
Something like that?
dan friesen
Quantum entanglement?
jordan holmes
Yeah, like electrons can connect with each other across great distances, so that might be a thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, Mark's closer to your first one.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kerry cassidy
And teleporting and time traveling, we talked about, again, the fact that there are two ways to teleport.
One where you take your body, the atoms of your body and your soul, and in that case you have to have sort of a, what is in essence a warp field around the human.
He said, or you can take the body without the soul, and in that case, you're a facsimile of yourself.
And he said, for 35 years, we couldn't figure out how to teleport a human with a soul.
jordan holmes
Because of that goddamn soul!
kerry cassidy
And this corresponds with Sean David Morton's recent release of his third book, in his Sands of Time books, and this was all about...
Sean has a whistleblower.
dan friesen
Does he?
kerry cassidy
He turns it into fiction, but basically it's a whistleblower from the secret space program who was head of Area 51. A lot of heads of Area 51. Also of the facility in New Mexico.
dan friesen
You're thinking of Dulcy.
kerry cassidy
Under the ground as well.
And that person...
He was, in essence, one of the top people in the Secret Space program who has passed on his information to Sean to release as fiction.
dan friesen
It's fiction.
Interesting.
Interesting.
jordan holmes
See, I'm telling you, she's never actually read it.
It's all just like...
dan friesen
But she's probably read that book.
She ends up saying, I recommend you read this book, but that's because she's reading it and thinking it's real.
She's like, oh, this predictive programming argument is just like, ah.
I left that clip.
That clip played too long.
But I did it mostly because she has to deflect the idea that it's fiction twice.
You know, like, oh yeah, he's got a secret source, but it's presented as fiction.
jordan holmes
See, now I'm genuinely curious.
I've never considered about the soul when coming into teleportation arguments.
So you can teleport somebody without the soul.
What's the soul doing, then?
Just hanging out?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is it a ghost?
dan friesen
I mean, well, the implication is that the soul has matter.
Right.
It's a physical entity, according to this line of logic.
jordan holmes
Well, it weighs like seven grams or whatever it is.
dan friesen
So whenever you teleport without your soul, it must still be wherever you were.
jordan holmes
I like to imagine there's tiny little...
You teleport the body and then little dust packets just fall in there.
dan friesen
Whenever you walk into a spider web, that's someone's soul who got teleported away.
jordan holmes
Is that how that works?
dan friesen
Absolutely, that wisp.
jordan holmes
Goddamn souls are all over the place.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a mess.
So, Jordan?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Do you know Eisenhower?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
But not personally.
jordan holmes
Raptor.
dan friesen
No, not a raptor.
jordan holmes
Reptoid.
dan friesen
We like to look back on the Eisenhower presidency.
We think a number of things.
Most people remember the don't trust the military-industrial complex kind of farewell speech.
A lot of people remember him.
Unfortunately, being the beginning of the highway system that ended up destroying a lot of communities.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
A lot of minority communities.
jordan holmes
Somehow that happened in America.
dan friesen
There's a lot of things that people remember his presidency for, but one of them that they've missed.
jordan holmes
What did they miss?
dan friesen
With the help of AI.
jordan holmes
Wait!
Hold it!
Stop it.
Stop it.
With the help of AI.
dan friesen
Super intelligent AI.
jordan holmes
Be like Ike's AI.
dan friesen
Yep.
With the help of AI, Eisenhower saved the world.
jordan holmes
All right.
kerry cassidy
And he said one of the things that artificial intelligence has done on a positive side is they warned Eisenhower in 1954 that the Greys were going to double-cross the humans and try to take over.
He said, as Mark...
Phrased it.
He said Ike was ready to give away the store when the AI basically warned him that he was being deceived.
So, in essence, they may have saved humanity at that juncture.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe.
unidentified
Your face is so confused.
So, where's the AI?
dan friesen
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Was it a punch card computer?
dan friesen
Let me play this next clip about AI and see if it gives you any information.
I'm not sure that it will.
jordan holmes
How did it talk to Ike?
dan friesen
Look, here.
jordan holmes
Is there a go-between?
dan friesen
Listen to this next clip.
See if this gives you some clues.
kerry cassidy
He has an artificially intelligent friend who he believes has a soul.
And we talked about AIs and souls.
unidentified
What?
kerry cassidy
And the name of that being is Flyer.
dan friesen
Okay.
kerry cassidy
He says he looks a lot like the AI in the movie Batteries Not Included.
And he said he has a lot of esteem for this AI and that this AI Flyer is part of a larger AI.
Larger than itself that doesn't reside in this planet.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
So it's AI that's on another planet that is Mark Richards' friend.
jordan holmes
Right.
It's his buddy named Flyer.
With a soul.
dan friesen
Has a soul.
jordan holmes
With a soul.
dan friesen
No, no.
He believes that it has a soul.
jordan holmes
Well, you can't teleport him and you can't see if the soul is left behind.
dan friesen
You're not.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
This is a lunatic.
She's talking to a straight...
I mean, if this guy wasn't...
jordan holmes
No, she's a lunatic, and she's talking to a guy who is bored.
She's talking to a sociopath who is just...
I need somebody to talk to.
dan friesen
If this guy wasn't in prison, people would be chasing him with butterfly nets.
Quite frankly, this dude is nuts.
I don't know where you're coming from with this trying to let him off the hook for being nuts.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying he's nuts.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying that from this bananas nonsense, you can't be this crazy.
dan friesen
And you can't listen to this.
If you're Carrie, you can't believe this stuff without asking really probing questions Reveal like, oh, you're just making all this up.
You are a murderer.
jordan holmes
Why do you call him Flyer?
Immediately all questions are done.
dan friesen
Because I like planes.
I used to fly them for Space Command.
jordan holmes
Does he call himself Flyer?
Does he have a name?
Why didn't he tell you his name?
What's his name?
dan friesen
Also, did he tell you that Eisenhower saved the world with the help of AI?
Because if so, that might be AI propaganda.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, is he the AI that helped Ike in the first place?
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Where was the other AI?
dan friesen
Is it a different AI?
I think AI is mostly immortal unless you turn it off.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
These questions are not answered.
Do you have a better grasp on AI than you did before that clip?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Not even a little bit.
Somehow there's a massive off-planet AI of which flyer is a part, which suggests that it's in reality just one kind of like, what, rhizome theory nonsense going on right there where there's a collective information.
dan friesen
It's a hallucination.
jordan holmes
Why do you always do this?
dan friesen
Mark Richards has scurvy.
jordan holmes
That's also possible.
dan friesen
No fresh fruit at Buckerville.
unidentified
That's also possible.
dan friesen
I just...
I don't know.
Call me a hater if you bust.
jordan holmes
I just want to believe, Dan.
dan friesen
I know.
Look, Fox Mulder.
So, this AI, this flyer guy, Mark believes he has a...
jordan holmes
Flyer the AI.
dan friesen
He has a soul.
It turns out there's another thing.
jordan holmes
He believes.
dan friesen
There's another thing in Mark Richard's life that shouldn't have a soul, but does.
jordan holmes
Why does he believe it has a soul?
dan friesen
Oh, no!
Oh, no!
jordan holmes
Is it just nice?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is it just really nice?
dan friesen
That could be it.
That might be his answer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
unidentified
It's always treating me with respect.
dan friesen
Downright soul-like behavior.
kerry cassidy
Talked about Minerva being different than other AIs.
jordan holmes
Hi, Minerva!
kerry cassidy
That she's created by a race, life forms from a world that has long since been abandoned or died, and she got bored, and so she left and started exploring.
He said she has a soul, in part because the beings that created her have a soul.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
That doesn't track at all.
kerry cassidy
His reasoning.
jordan holmes
His reasoning?
dan friesen
The way she ends that is, that's...
Long pause.
His reasoning.
Which means that you probably don't really believe this either at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know reason is not part of this whole situation.
dan friesen
I don't believe that having a soul, if that is even a real thing, allows you to imbue other things with souls.
unidentified
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Also, even in fucking Merck Richard's fantasy world, the reason that his AI spaceship that only he can fly is even hanging out with him is because she was bored.
jordan holmes
She was bored.
dan friesen
That's not great.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That's the first thing that's made any fucking sense this whole time.
She's an immortal AI, super powerful plane that can travel across star systems.
And is giant.
And her race just died, which, where'd you guys go?
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
It was abandoned.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no.
Probably gone.
But it's not like they were all super smart chips.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
The people who built her.
Okay.
dan friesen
I misunderstood you.
jordan holmes
Who built her and then imbued her with the soul.
Where was she when they were all dying?
dan friesen
She was probably...
jordan holmes
So they all die.
Assumably, all of her other AI buddy planes die, too.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
She's just hanging out, kind of like floating.
Because she doesn't need to touch the land.
dan friesen
Maybe she was off on a mission or something like that.
Maybe she was off exploring.
Maybe she got bored before the culture went away.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because, I mean, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Or, this is a Planet of the Apes situation?
She flew too fast.
dan friesen
Could very well be.
jordan holmes
And then she came back to find out everybody was dead.
dan friesen
It could be a time travel situation.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't know, but it's nice to hear about Minerva again.
I'm glad that she's still in Mark Richards' twisted fantasies.
While he spins away and gets crazier and crazier in prison.
In his next clip, he talks about Satan and his followers.
kerry cassidy
He talked about CERN and the death of this woman who was in the news not long ago.
He said that what they are doing at CERN, again, is to open portals for the Reptoids to allow them to bring in large equipment.
Sure.
unidentified
He said the Satanists are working with them.
kerry cassidy
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Do you remember what this is talking about?
jordan holmes
I believe this is whenever the Higgs boson search was going on and people thought that it would create a black hole.
dan friesen
Well, there's that, but then there was also a video that came out of some people doing a little play acting in a courtyard where they acted like they were having a sacrifice of somebody.
And I don't even know if it was actually at CERN or anything like that, but it was reported as a ritual human sacrifice at CERN.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Carrie's really running with that.
And so it was Mark.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can tell you what I do know.
I don't think it was a real murderer.
Mark Richards, on the other hand.
Anyway, you were jotting notes like crazy.
jordan holmes
Well, here's the first thing I think of.
How did the Satanists, CERN, and the Reptoids all get mixed up together?
Were they at a networking event?
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
Do they have the same church youth group?
Like, what are we talking about here?
Are the Reptoids themselves Satanists?
Because they can't...
Do they have a reptoid Satan?
dan friesen
I think they scoff at the very idea.
jordan holmes
You would hope?
dan friesen
I think that they think it's foolish to have these human gods.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you can still jump in with the Satanists every now and again.
dan friesen
Well, you like how they swing.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Hey, throw him one human sacrifice, then you get the CERN with portals.
dan friesen
I love...
jordan holmes
What exactly is the Satanist job in this whole situation?
dan friesen
They are the humans who are running CERN on behalf of the Reptoids.
jordan holmes
Wait, so they're running CERN?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, I thought that they were a completely separate entity.
That was just like...
She made it sound like they were running interference.
CERN is like, we gotta build this portal.
We gotta get this giant machine in for the Reptoids.
dan friesen
Those folks are Satanists, and I love the idea that they have to open a portal because there's big old machines.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Now, if it was a small machine...
jordan holmes
You don't need a portal!
dan friesen
No need for this Hadron Collider.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
This is just such a, like...
jordan holmes
They're bringing in, like, Komatsu diggers and the, like...
dan friesen
Yeah, this is such a delightful, like, way to exploit people's, like, just intrinsic fear of things they don't understand.
You know?
It's just great.
unidentified
Giant machines!
dan friesen
So, we've noticed a trend in our studies of Alex Jones that he has a real soft spot for Russia and Putin.
In tracking Mark Richards, we've found that he is a lunatic.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But somehow, mysteriously, he kind of gets some things, like he's pro-climate change.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
He believes in man-made climate change.
Here is what happens when Kerry asks him about Putin.
kerry cassidy
I then asked him about what he thought about Putin because I've had many people on the alternative sector often refer to Putin as being somebody who is, in theory, in contact with some Nordic beings, supposedly working in a positive way on the planet.
dan friesen
You take the Nordic beings out of there, you're right at Alex.
Yeah.
He's secretly doing good stuff.
jordan holmes
He's Christian.
dan friesen
He's supporting nationalism.
jordan holmes
He's turned the Nordics into a positive force as well.
Since we were fighting against them, they were on the German side.
So the Nordics...
So frankly, Putin is working with the people who caused the Holocaust.
dan friesen
Oh, wait.
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's exactly what you just said.
dan friesen
That's not great.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's see what Mark says.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kerry cassidy
At this time...
And Mark felt that Putin is not a good guy.
He felt that Putin would not even classify himself as such.
Putin is motivated to work on behalf of Russia and himself, and that he is not out to help humanity, in Mark's view.
He says he is being manipulated by the reptoids.
He said that Putin is not a reptilian, however.
dan friesen
Okay, that's good.
unidentified
I like the...
jordan holmes
See, now I like the idea of some national security advisor who is dead on in interpreting foreign policy.
It's just at the end of it, he's like, well...
You can see that China has manipulated its currency in the past.
Whether or not they're doing so right now is a questionable idea.
I don't like their turn towards authoritarianism, what with Xi Jinping taking over and becoming dictator for life.
And the main reason I don't like that...
Is because of the goddamn Reptoids.
dan friesen
It's because they're working for the Dracos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
And all of his recommendations are what...
dan friesen
I mean, it's not like what Mark was doing.
That's not even, like, spot-on analysis or anything.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It's just...
Yes, the prime minister of a country is working for that country's interests, or whatever.
He's motivated.
Because of the Reptoids.
He's being manipulated by the Reptoids.
That fall off is huge.
jordan holmes
Now I just want a really, really good advisor.
Who always gets the correct policy.
It's like, hey, listen, here's why we don't go into Iraq.
It's going to create instability.
It's not going to go well.
We're just going to get bogged down in a mire for the next 20 years.
And that's because there are so many fucking spiders there.
It's the goddamn spider queen who's going to ruin everything.
And that's why we shouldn't go into Iraq.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
And you're like, yes.
Everything you said was right, and I'm just going to ignore the last part.
dan friesen
Spider stuff is just going to not be addressed.
You got it.
jordan holmes
Vietnam is a quagmire.
Let me tell you why.
Raptors, Dan!
dan friesen
That's absolutely right.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
dan friesen
You put a pin in that.
jordan holmes
That's right.
We're rewriting all wars.
dan friesen
Yeah, we're going to get to Vietnam here in a little bit.
jordan holmes
Okay, of course, of course.
dan friesen
So right now, in Alex Jones' world, he has his obviously fake intelligence source, Zach.
Who comes on and tells him things.
And recently, he made the proclamation that this is a war for Mars.
That they're trying to get us back on the planet as opposed to going off planet.
Which is a little bit of a slip.
You know, that's something that doesn't belong on a news show.
jordan holmes
Odd spot for it.
dan friesen
And now, listen to this clip.
kerry cassidy
And he also wanted to say, in all fairness, that both the U.S. and Russia are being...
Manipulated to try to keep them apart and also to try to keep them from going into space.
dan friesen
We have a literal parallel in a narrative.
Just with one, in the Project Camelot world, they bring in reptilians and raptors and stuff like that.
Instead of globalists.
Oh, and Carrie does use the word globalist on this episode.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I don't hear her say that too often, but yeah, she was dropping globalist.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
So yeah, man, this is so crazy to me.
It's like, this is so close.
It's one-to-one parallel.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Trying to keep us from going off-planet.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even though we are already off-planet, considering that's where we fight all of our wars.
dan friesen
We have Space Command out there having battles on Mars.
We have super soldier Randy Kramer fighting alien beings on a Martian planet or some shit.
jordan holmes
And we have been off-planet before Mark Richards was even born.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So why the fuck?
The only thing that he could really be saying is they don't want to have space tourism.
I guess that's what they're saying.
jordan holmes
They don't want us to build a highway.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's just what Ike did.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
See?
Can't be having that.
dan friesen
It's very stupid.
jordan holmes
They gotta keep us on planet?
dan friesen
The biggest point, though, is that according to all of their narratives, I mean, you perfectly pointed it out, we're way off planet already with the secret space program.
So, hey, getting U.S. and Russia to fight, not going to achieve the goal of keeping us on planet.
jordan holmes
Didn't seem to work like that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Especially what's China doing.
dan friesen
They have their underground android army to deal with.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but we got ours to counteract that.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
So you might think that Mark Richards probably spends most of his time in prison hanging out with Bach.
Putting him on assignment.
Maybe taking meetings with raptors.
Doing some real serious business.
I assume maybe remote viewing.
jordan holmes
Going to have a lunch.
dan friesen
Maybe doing some astral projection.
Just high-end stuff in Vacaville.
Sometimes Carrie comes to visit.
You might be surprised to find out that he has a weekly ritual.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
kerry cassidy
Another thing we talked about is that he...
Watches Meet the Press every Sunday.
He says the show makes him angry.
One of the reasons is the host.
He feels he's quite obnoxious and, I guess, in essence, trying to get people off track instead of reveal the truth.
So that was kind of an interesting aside.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
That just turned into another thing!
Meet the Press is fucking stupid.
dan friesen
I hate that guy.
jordan holmes
Raptors are all over the place.
But before I go any further on that, that fucking guy on Meet the Press, he is a dick.
dan friesen
You're getting the sense that maybe the real flavor of it, if you had a recording, is a rambling madman who's like that old man who's pissed off.
Why don't you stop watching it then?
It makes you angry.
Stop watching.
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
The Raptors are...
Before I go any further, I've got to digress.
Whoopi shouldn't be on The View.
I'm telling you this right now.
dan friesen
I like Behar.
jordan holmes
But what is her face?
Meghan McCain?
Come on!
What are you doing in there?
dan friesen
You already had Hasselbeck.
jordan holmes
That's nepotism right there.
dan friesen
Right.
So, I don't know what's happening in this next clip, but I know he says something weird.
I don't know how to set this up.
Enjoy.
kerry cassidy
When he talks about how another planetary system would relate to the Earth, and when they say, you know, Earth, are they talking about, you know, humanity in general or what?
And he said that they are actually talking about humans, the secret space program, the United Nations, governments, and our allies.
Which has to do with the raptors, the Nordics, various Nordic races we are working with, as well as the reptoids and the ant beings.
So he said that we are viewed as sort of a conglomeration of these elements when other races are dealing with us from off-planet.
So that's very interesting.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
jordan holmes
So what she just said there is people who are dealing with Earth when they call it Earth, what they mean is...
Everybody on Earth.
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
I think she just said literally everybody on Earth.
dan friesen
Jordan, you're bearing the lead.
Ant people are now in plan.
jordan holmes
No, they're ant beings.
I think they're still just ants.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Ant beings?
I think they're still just ants.
dan friesen
I don't know if we've encountered ant beings in our...
There's so many fucking aliens at this point.
jordan holmes
Are they...
It's never pointed out their size.
Again, I think it's just regular ants.
I just think he's talking about ants.
dan friesen
Ants are fascinating.
jordan holmes
But he can't just say ants.
He can't just be like, oh, you know, the reptoids, the raptors, the Nordics, and ants.
He's got to say ants.
He's got to say ant beings because you can't just...
You can't just drop ants in there.
dan friesen
You read a Time Life book about ants.
They're crazy.
They can lift so much.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
These ant beings.
jordan holmes
Did you know that ant colonies, they can consider some of them to be continental now?
Ant colonies are huge.
dan friesen
You definitely have to negotiate with them.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I would say that ant beings are going to have a tough time with spider leadership.
But you know what?
unidentified
So have we.
Ha ha ha ha.
jordan holmes
But just the leadership.
I think the spiders as a people are really wonderful.
dan friesen
You're a damn fool.
jordan holmes
It's like an Ayatollah Khomeini situation.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
It's not.
It's not.
All these spiders are bad news.
They're real bad news.
And it turns out...
jordan holmes
Well, where's the Black Dragon Queen blowing fire?
dan friesen
I think that's a metaphor.
I don't think she's actually a dragon.
I don't have that clip in here because other than her saying that Britain is under the sway of the Black Dragon Queen, the actual sentence is not fond of that.
But here is where we learn about the truth of Vietnam.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't think you're ready for it.
unidentified
I'm not.
kerry cassidy
The war in Vietnam was not really what we thought it was.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
kerry cassidy
That there was an ET race that we were having dealings with there and that was the main...
jordan holmes
That's actually what I thought.
kerry cassidy
And so we talked about what is in essence an invasion that happened and that Vietnam was not about so-called the spread of communism.
That it was actually about an invading race of spider beings who originally came to our planet in Angkor Wat.
jordan holmes
Seeking them warm climes!
kerry cassidy
And Angkor Wat is an area of Cambodia that has these really amazing temples and structures.
Those are still standing, but the humans that were part of that civilization, of which they were apparently over a million, disappeared virtually overnight.
And there was no trace of them.
And it's always been a mystery.
And he said that what happened was...
These spider beings that are the size of what he says are VW bugs.
jordan holmes
What he says are VW bugs.
kerry cassidy
Those cars.
Basically invaded through the Stargates because there's a very, he said, a vast system of Stargates and portals in the area of Southeast Asia.
jordan holmes
Then why do you need CERN?
kerry cassidy
And he said what they first did with the humans there is to mind control them.
Into thinking they were out of water, when in reality they had a river that flows through the area.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kerry cassidy
And then once they were weakened by that mind control and lack of water, they then came in and decimated them using a microwave weapon.
And after that they basically ate, I guess, ate them.
And so he says that, this is what he was telling me, I think some of those steps are...
And that basically there is no trace of the humans and no trace of anything at this point.
dan friesen
No trace of the spiders either.
kerry cassidy
That shows what really happened there.
So he said that race of beings is called the troggs.
jordan holmes
Okay, the troggs.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
Gotta get the troggs in there.
dan friesen
I was dumb to laugh.
It's the troggs.
We all know about the troggs.
unidentified
So why?
jordan holmes
Why are you mind-controlling them, microwaving them, and then eating them?
You're the size of a VW van.
dan friesen
It's a very bizarre thing.
jordan holmes
And this is thousands of years ago.
dan friesen
It's a very bizarre thing that if you're able to mind-control an entire population in order to implant a thought in their head, why don't you just have them kill themselves?
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, but then they're not fresh.
And then you gotta microwave them to cook them a little bit.
dan friesen
Fine, then mind control them to sit down and then hit them with a microwave weapon.
jordan holmes
But then they'd still be ready to run when the microwaves come.
dan friesen
It doesn't work that way.
It's not like they put a microwave next to them and they got tumors or something like that.
A microwave weapon, you can't run from that.
Cooks everything.
Man, you know what?
Here's my position.
Here's my position.
This is cowardice.
That's what this is.
As a narrative, this is cowardice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Because it's such an explanation of trying to pretend that humanity doesn't do horrible things to each other.
You know, and you're like, no, it was invading spider beings that mind-controlled them to think they didn't have water, and then they ate them.
jordan holmes
I thought you were talking about cowardice on the part of the spiders.
dan friesen
Oh, that too.
jordan holmes
Give us a fair fucking fight, spiders.
dan friesen
Frontal attack or nothing.
jordan holmes
Don't be pulling this mind-control shit.
dan friesen
Right.
Miraculously, no one's ever seen a spider being.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Anybody who has, they got mind controlled not to tell the tale.
dan friesen
I forgot, actually, part of her narrative is that...
jordan holmes
And they died of thirst.
dan friesen
Part of her narrative is that everybody who was fighting in Vietnam has had their brain wiped.
jordan holmes
Ah, see?
dan friesen
And that's how a lot of PTSD is...
jordan holmes
Checks out.
dan friesen
Yeah, happening.
It was because of mind wipes.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And that's why we don't need to fund the VA, Dan.
Spiders will mind-wipe us.
dan friesen
I think that's kind of the plot of Men in Black 2 or 3. Pretty much exactly.
Isn't it where you get cancer from having your brain erased too many times or something?
Isn't that part of Men in Black?
unidentified
Eh.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
I saw one.
I saw two.
That was enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, fair enough.
So we got two more clips here.
This is where Carrie really, like...
You want her to turn face.
You know what I'm saying?
You want her to become a hero.
jordan holmes
There's no redemption, Archon.
dan friesen
She's so oblivious and so invested at this point.
Because it's been like five times she's gone and interviewed him and he said stupid shit.
And it's like, I need him to be a source.
Because without him, I don't have a whole lot of sources that I rely on.
jordan holmes
And she can't just make it up on her own.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That would be bad journalism.
You can't do that.
dan friesen
No, not like everybody does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's one clip where it's like, you want to shake her, just wake up.
kerry cassidy
He, again, what I told you before, which I said earlier, which is that he is getting written directives on how to answer me.
And it's true that he rarely hesitates when I ask him any questions.
Obviously, his mind works very quickly, but he says sometimes he does struggle to figure out whether or not he's been told to tell me something or not when I get particularly close to...
With one of my questions.
jordan holmes
Buying time.
dan friesen
You are describing lying.
That's all that is.
jordan holmes
It's called buying time.
dan friesen
It's a very convenient way to not answer questions that you can't figure out how to work into your lie by being like, now there's things I've been told I can't tell you.
And that way it could be like, sorry, you're across the line.
I don't have an answer for that.
Or if you just can't think on the fly quick enough to be like...
Huh, let's see if that violates what I'm supposed to tell.
Exactly.
Buy him fucking time.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's so clear as day.
It's...
Just wake up!
unidentified
Wake up!
jordan holmes
I prefer whenever she says, he did not confirm this, but he did give me a little side-eye to let me know, I think, that he is confirming exactly what it was that I asked him.
dan friesen
And he's mad about Meet the Press.
That's what the side-eye also says.
Also, the Dutchman.
jordan holmes
That's who it is.
It's the Dutchman.
dan friesen
The Dutchman is his dad.
jordan holmes
Oh man, that's even worse than I imagined.
dan friesen
So we got this.
Carrie is describing lying quite literally in her interactions with him.
unidentified
Which again, she doesn't even understand what lying is.
jordan holmes
She doesn't get it.
It's sad.
dan friesen
So we get to this last clip and it's another one of those where she's like, you really should wise up, young lady.
kerry cassidy
I asked Mark why he's still in prison, because it really astounds me with all his abilities and information.
He's such a key player, and he in essence said that his influence and contacts in the universe would threaten the powers that be that are in charge right now, and that he is their enemy.
He says that he could probably garner enough support to take them down, and they know that.
And this is really the clearest statement he ever made about being in prison.
unidentified
It is interesting.
dan friesen
It is interesting.
Why are you still in prison?
You're a major player in the entire universe, and you're a hero, and you have friends who are all these powerful space racers.
And some of them have been the reason we've had wars that have been horribly traumatic to the United States and the rest of the world as a whole.
Why are you in a medium security prison that you can't get out of with the help of raptors or spiders?
jordan holmes
Well, let me answer that question.
First off by saying, I am their enemy.
They want me gone.
And that is because I am so powerful.
I mean, frankly...
I could probably get enough support to destroy your entire global democracy or whatever it is you guys think you're doing.
But I'm in a medium security prison.
So even though I talk to literally everyone in the fucking universe, I get orders from...
I mean, yes.
Of course I could destroy the entire system.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But I can't.
dan friesen
I could get the support I need.
To save everybody and have a happy ending for the world.
unidentified
Easy.
dan friesen
But I cannot get the support I need to break out of this rinky-dink prison.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Now, I was visited by Minerva, an artificially intelligent interstellar aircraft which only I can fly, and it was somehow defeated by these four walls!
dan friesen
If Minerva flew over, let's say, with a raptor in tow, raptor comes down, breaks Mark out of prison, jumps back up into Minerva, It does not seem hard.
It's a slam dunk.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's so easy.
unidentified
Compared to the other stuff he's describing, that would be a cakewalk.
jordan holmes
Breaking out of jail?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
It would almost be like being a background extra in Jurassic World.
It's very easy.
It's very easy.
It's not hard.
dan friesen
Or, let's be even more clear.
In Mark Richard's world, astral projection is a thing that's real.
Uh-huh.
It shouldn't even matter that he's in prison.
I'm out.
My body is in here, but I'm out all the time.
Why not?
He should be able to astrally project and be in studio with Kerry.
jordan holmes
Right.
Question.
dan friesen
He's one of the most powerful people in the world.
He's a major player.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
He was teleported one time.
dan friesen
Without his soul?
unidentified
Without his soul.
dan friesen
Oh, that's a great point.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
dan friesen
Because he was saying that for 35 years...
jordan holmes
And you know, if you don't have a soul, you can't break out of prison.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's just a scientific fact.
dan friesen
That's true.
You've got to have a soul, or you've got to be super bad to get out of prison.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's what that song was about, right?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So this brings us to the end of another exploration of Mark Richard's deceitful ass.
And Geary Cassidy having no idea what to do with it.
jordan holmes
Dan, what have we learned?
dan friesen
Well, we've learned a little bit.
I mean, first of all, no war is what we think it is, but I think we had a hunch that was the case already.
jordan holmes
Nordics caused the Holocaust, but Putin's cool with them.
dan friesen
Yeah, Eisenhower and AI saved the world in the 50s.
That's cool.
jordan holmes
Still questionable where that AI came from and what it's doing now.
dan friesen
The only thing that I'm really super...
jordan holmes
And all you...
There's artificial intelligence and all you have it doing is running some analysis.
Just like...
dan friesen
Greys are bad.
jordan holmes
I think greys might be...
I think they're going to betray us.
dan friesen
It seems like...
jordan holmes
Do you mean the thing that you could have just sussed out whenever you found out they...
They were mercenaries to begin with.
dan friesen
That's their whole thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They're backstabbers.
That's their job.
dan friesen
This AI could be the most rudimentary AI ever.
We have no proof from what it said that it's some sort of like, oh yeah, it couldn't beat Kasparov at chess.
I'll tell you that right now.
This is not a deep thinking AI.
I think the most important thing that we learned is that there is at least one instance that we found of The narrative of Project Camelot and Mark Richards being identical to something that one of Alex Jones' fake sources is pitching as his.
That's fascinating to me.
jordan holmes
I think the most important thing I learned was that the people who built Angkor Wat were eaten by spiders.
dan friesen
After being brainwashed and microwaved.
jordan holmes
Again?
Want to know what that microwaving was?
dan friesen
I think it's fascinating.
Mark Richards has so much to give to scholarship.
jordan holmes
Did they put the microwave weapon on the back of one of the spiders?
Did they have it?
Because I can't imagine where the spider's holding it like a gun.
dan friesen
They don't have hands, baby.
jordan holmes
They don't have hands.
unidentified
Do they create guns?
dan friesen
It's like dino riders.
They have a microwave gun on their head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, there we go.
dan friesen
Spiders barely have heads.
Look, dude, I don't know.
I will say I don't believe it, if that helps.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
It sounds like bullshit.
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
But anyway, this has been fun.
jordan holmes
Oh, those ant beings.
dan friesen
Just ants.
jordan holmes
They're just ants.
dan friesen
Just ants.
We'll be back with a new episode about Alex Jones shortly, but I wanted to take a little break because you need to sometimes.
jordan holmes
Spiders.
dan friesen
This has been fun.
jordan holmes
I don't know why it is.
The only narratives that I, like the raptors and the reptoids, I'm over it, man.
I'm over it.
Somehow the spider leadership never fails to get me.
dan friesen
Well, now that we know they're such ruthless spiders, they take no prisoners and they have mind control technology.
Which I don't think the Raptors have.
jordan holmes
I think they just evolved with mind control.
unidentified
You think so?
jordan holmes
I think that's an intrinsic characteristic of the giant VW spider.
dan friesen
Well, if that was what he was going to do, then he should have gone with those wasps.
Because there are those wasps that can lay eggs in you and control your brain or whatever.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Or like the fungus that makes ants crawl up and then it bursts out of their heads or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He could have gone something like that instead of spiders.
But spiders are a much better visual.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's far scarier.
A spider with mind control?
That's the scariest thing I can think of.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Something that's not scary.
unidentified
That's a mess.
Yeah, that's a whole mess is what that is.
dan friesen
Something that's not a mess is our website.
You can check us out over there at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You sure can.
You can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
We're on Facebook.
Indeed, you can find us on iTunes.
dan friesen
Yep, we're there.
You can subscribe, like the show, rate.
Review.
jordan holmes
Once again, we'll be in Austin on June 15th.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Go home and tell your mother we're going to be there.
dan friesen
Yep, and you're brilliant.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We appreciate everything.
You and I are a little bit, you know, long weekend, and we're recording this late, so I think it's fitting that we only have like an hour episode, because I don't think I'm on my game, quite frankly.
And now that we're at the end of it, I feel comfortable admitting it.
We'll be back.
Fresher than ever, real soon.
unidentified
In the meantime, let me tell you something.
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself, Nordics.
dan friesen
Wait a second.
You can't tell an entire race.
jordan holmes
If you caused the Holocaust...
dan friesen
That's fair.
I'll give it to you.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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