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April 20, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#152: April 18, 2018

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ April 18, 2018, episode—where he pivoted to self-promotion after the Sandy Hook lawsuit—while exposing Sabo’s suspicious Franken billboard timing matching Roger Stone’s leaks. They debunk Millie Weaver’s edited MeToo protest footage as propaganda and mock Zach’s absurd 2020 election predictions. Jones’ shifting Sandy Hook claims reveal a pattern of lies for political gain, underscoring how his rhetoric thrives on manipulation rather than truth. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 13:14
d
dan friesen
01:02:06
j
jordan holmes
28:53
Appearances
m
millie weaver
02:34
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rob dew
infowars 00:38
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sabo
01:49
Clips
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zach
00:23
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jardin.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are, Dan.
Dan?
dan friesen
What up, player?
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
What a player.
unidentified
What a player.
jordan holmes
When did this happen?
dan friesen
How you doing?
jordan holmes
When did this happen?
dan friesen
How you doing, money?
jordan holmes
I'm somebody who lives in the present with my slang, and Dan is somebody who knows a lot about not talking right.
dan friesen
Oh, look, look, this podcast today, it's going to be off.
jordan holmes
It's going to be off the odd.
dan friesen
It's going to be on fleek.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's going to be cool beans.
jordan holmes
You're getting worse.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
Actually, I like cool beans.
dan friesen
So, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And that's pretty much what's going on.
We've got some business to take care of before we get to the show.
unidentified
What's that?
dan friesen
First of all, I think it is only right that we re-announce that we are going to be in Austin, Tejas.
jordan holmes
Hey!
dan friesen
At Beerland, doing a live episode on June 15th.
Do we know the time?
jordan holmes
Probably between 7 and 12.
dan friesen
I would assume somewhere around there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I never asked.
We could be going on at midnight.
I have no idea.
dan friesen
We will figure that out in Quebec.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
For now, TBD.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We will be there.
Tickets I don't think are available yet, but we will let you know as more details and all that stuff becomes available.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It's a bit early.
We're still in April, but we booked it.
We're going.
dan friesen
We look forward to meeting all of our Texas peeps living down there in Occupied Texas.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Also, boy, I can't thank everybody enough who's donated to the show.
And so we have to do a prolonged ceremony.
It's going long.
We got a number of policy wonks to give shouts out to, otherwise, this is going to get way too backed up.
jordan holmes
Is it shouts out or is it shout-out?
dan friesen
I think it's shouts out.
jordan holmes
I think you might be right.
dan friesen
Editors-in-chief that you got to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Attorneys General.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes, there you go.
dan friesen
So, first, I'd like to give a shout-out to a new policy wonk, someone who's been with the team for a long time.
Very excited to see them donating.
Very excited.
Thank you so much, Julia.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank you very much, Julia Styles.
We have loved you ever since the first born.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
I loved you in Save the Last Dance.
jordan holmes
That was great.
dan friesen
Loved you in the born supremacy?
No, identity.
jordan holmes
No, no, she was in the identity, and then she came back later in the supremacy.
dan friesen
Okay, I don't remember which movies were which.
jordan holmes
They're all the same.
They all kind of blend together.
dan friesen
Also, I'd like to give a shout-out and a thank you to Andy.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Andy.
jordan holmes
Andy, where do you live?
Andy, where are you from?
Andy, tell me right now.
dan friesen
In Kansas.
No!
Also, I'd like to give a shout-out to.
I apologize about this because it could be Nikki or Nishi.
I'm not entirely sure.
It's N-I-C-H-I, either way.
No matter how you pronounce it, we appreciate you.
You know how I pronounce your name?
Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy.
Boo!
Boo!
dan friesen
Don't boo over the policy.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I've got to redo it.
jordan holmes
You hurt.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is for you.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
We really appreciate it.
What's wrong with you?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
You said Polly.
It's terrible.
dan friesen
Some would argue that was smooth.
jordan holmes
I would not.
dan friesen
We have a couple other people to give a shout-out to, donated, and are now globalists.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
So I'd like to give another shout-out to you, and a thank you to you out there, Sam.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Sam Levine.
I love you.
dan friesen
Sam the ma'am.
jordan holmes
Sam the ma'am Levine.
Little Logan.
dan friesen
Very combative and angry, but at the same time, very generous.
And we appreciate you joining up with the team.
jordan holmes
Speaking of which, I found out that I'm working with Doug Benson on May 6th.
He's going to be in downtown Zane's, so that'll be fun.
dan friesen
Super fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll talk after the show.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
I'd like to give another shout out to one more globalist before we move along to the episode.
Thank you so much, Michelle.
alex jones
I'm apology wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
unidentified
Bomb, Anyway, thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Michelle Williams.
I love every single movie that you've ever been in.
She's amazing.
She's so good.
alex jones
What was that?
jordan holmes
So good.
unidentified
What was that one with?
dan friesen
Is she in that one with Julia Styles and Heath Ledger?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
That one?
Ten Things I Hate About You.
Is she in that one?
I don't know.
I don't remember.
jordan holmes
I feel like she's not.
dan friesen
I don't remember.
jordan holmes
She's like a really good actress.
dan friesen
She is great.
I don't know a lot of movies.
jordan holmes
She was in a dystopia film with Andrew Garfield where they are.
dan friesen
Spider-Man?
jordan holmes
No, that's pretty dystopian, though.
Actually, that's just our world being dystopian, where Spider-Man is rebooted every other week.
dan friesen
There's a grim, grim present.
jordan holmes
No, there are like organ farms.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So a bunch of clones and shit get birthed, and their entire lives, they're just there to give away their organs.
It's brutal.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's kind of a bad movie, but I loved it.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
It's very good.
dan friesen
I'm thrilled to hear it.
Tell Doug Benson about it.
I hear he loves you.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right, Dan.
I'm trying to relate to you on a human level.
dan friesen
This isn't the way.
jordan holmes
Well, you know what I'd name you.
Asshole.
dan friesen
Well, one of the ways to relate to me on a human level is if you'd like to donate to the show.
jordan holmes
Now, that was smooth.
dan friesen
You could do so by going to our website, KnowledgeFight.com, and clicking support the show.
We really appreciate it so much.
The chat room is saying that movie was called The Island.
jordan holmes
No, that's not that much.
Okay, Chat room's wrong.
It's like it's some long-ass fucking name.
dan friesen
Let's not deal with it.
jordan holmes
Not important.
dan friesen
I'm sorry I rebrought it up.
You can donate if you'd like to.
We really appreciate it.
And I can't thank everybody who's donated enough.
We're really making strides.
We're almost at the point where this is a viable life for me in terms of the 9 to 5 job.
And I'm starting to realize that I hate to do so much business up top before we get to the actual show.
But I realized that we just crossed our original goal that we set back when we started accepting donations, a goal that I thought we would never reach.
Yeah.
Because I thought no one was ever going to donate to this show.
I thought it was absurd.
Exactly.
But we set that goal, and the reward for reaching that goal was that we were going to do a breakdown of one of Alex's documentaries, which we've already done.
Right.
So we can't do that to reward people because we already did it.
jordan holmes
No, you could finish the fucking bracket.
dan friesen
Oh, boy, I could do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right, we'll work on that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But the other thing is, if we're very close to reaching another goal, or we're like, you know, maybe 75% of the way to another goal.
And the reward for that goal was we would do a live show in Chicago, which we've already done.
And now we're doing one in Austin also.
jordan holmes
We are really bad at rewarding people based on hard limits.
dan friesen
We just do the things that we say we're going to hold off on.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And don't tell you that it didn't.
Like, we did not tell you that we reached the goal.
dan friesen
No.
So we need to come up with some new things.
If you have any ideas, any suggestions of things you'd like to see as rewards for us reaching milestones and stuff like that, I'd be very open to input.
So please.
If you'd like to tweet those at us or reach out to us at our group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant on Facebook.
jordan holmes
If we reach another, what?
I would say another $2,000 in donations.
We will totally do a show in Sweden.
dan friesen
We're nowhere near that.
jordan holmes
We will totally do a show in Sweden.
dan friesen
We're nowhere near that.
jordan holmes
Nowhere near that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would go to Sweden.
unidentified
Sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for that kind of money, I'd go to Sweden tomorrow.
dan friesen
Or our Finland listeners.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
We'd go to Olive Lapland.
jordan holmes
But only there.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
We won't go to any of those other countries.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Let us know.
Anyway, on to today's show.
So, Jordan, we're recording this on Thursday, April 19th.
And today, Owen Schroyer hosted the show.
So nothing to do with that show.
Boo.
So we're going to be going over Thursday, or I'm sorry, Wednesday's show, April 18th.
And this is the day after the news breaks that Alex Jones has been sued by Sandy Hook families.
Of course.
So he's in a strange mood.
I don't want to talk too much about that, although it will come up at the end of the episode.
So don't think we're ignoring that.
He teases that he's going to give a statement on it, and he's going to talk about it.
He said he's going to give us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Does not say so.
jordan holmes
In classic Alex fashion, he will not say God, though.
Oh.
dan friesen
Note that.
jordan holmes
Well, he doesn't need God's help to give the truth, Dan.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
But he teases it real hard and only gets to it at the end of the episode.
So we'll deal with that along the way when we get there.
There's a lot of stuff going on in this episode that everyone just sort of glossed over because they wanted to do a little dance about the Sandy Hook stuff.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
There's some shocking revelations that have been missed, and we will be discussing a number of them.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
Shocking revelations were missed because people do not listen to the entire show, Dan.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
No one understands why you do, but thank God.
dan friesen
I don't even.
So in this first clip where we're going to start, Alex Jones has some choice words to say about James Comey.
jordan holmes
Almost?
dan friesen
No.
Former director of the FBI.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
James.
I keep trying to come up with a middle name.
I don't know what his middle name is.
jordan holmes
Captain of Battlestar Galactica.
dan friesen
Super thrilled to see those pictures of him hanging out with Method Man and Ghostface on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Weird.
And then I was very makes me uncomfortable in so many ways.
dan friesen
Very disappointed to find out who was backstage at a talk show.
Yeah.
I was hoping it was just the two.
jordan holmes
They just hang out?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like in coffee and cigarettes when Bill Murray just shows up and the Riza and the Jizzer hanging out?
dan friesen
100%.
That's what I was hoping for, and I was very, very hurt.
jordan holmes
This is Ghost Busting Bill Murray.
dan friesen
Well, the idea of if you went back to the early 90s and you were like, you know, the 36 chambers had just come out, and you're like, you know what?
In about 25, 27 years, you are going to be hanging out backstage at a talk show with the former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigations.
jordan holmes
And it's going to be cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For no reason.
dan friesen
They're going to be smiling.
jordan holmes
Truly, we are in the darkest timeline.
It's very weird.
Yeah, it's so weird.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex talks some shit about Jim Comey.
But there's something really interesting that you need to track in here.
And that is that he is aware that, like, boy, people keep suing me.
alex jones
I mean, he just radiates I'm a criminal.
He radiates I'm disingenuous.
He radiates I'm a pervert.
In my view, Comey looks like a child molester.
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Go ahead and sue me.
I didn't say you're a child molester.
I said you look like a child molester to me.
I wouldn't let you near my kids.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
Now, you say Trump, you don't know.
Maybe Trump gets pissed on Trump.
He's an appropriate.
You said maybe he does.
dan friesen
So now here's the difference between those two things, which I just think it's very important to point out.
jordan holmes
First of all, I love the being super self-aware about, now I am watching every single thing I say for whether or not I will be sued, but I'm going to pretend like I don't even care about it.
dan friesen
I have to be very clear that I said that I think you look like this thing.
Right, right, right.
I know the law.
But then the other thing, the reason that I paused here is that he's like, you come out and you say maybe Trump got pissed on, maybe he didn't, or whatever.
When Comey was being interviewed and talking about that, like the reason he said that is because he did an investigation.
It was inconclusive, and he was asked about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No one's like.
I mean, hey, I worked with Trump.
Totally could have happened.
He couldn't prove it, though.
dan friesen
If he's asked by a late-night talk show host or George Stephanopoulos about it, he can't say, of course he did.
He can't say, no.
He also probably can't do the, like, I can neither confirm or deny that sort of boilerplate language.
jordan holmes
That's bullshit, though.
Everybody would be disappointed and pissed off about that.
Right, exactly.
Look, I want him to go away, period.
He is the worst.
Fuck the head of the FBI.
Fuck the former head of the FBI.
Fuck the FBI, period.
dan friesen
Fine, but that's not the point here.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
The point is that he answered a question in the way that's appropriate for him to answer because he did an investigation into whether or not this tape was real.
And he's like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He doesn't know.
dan friesen
Alex has not done an investigation into whether James Comey does or does not look like a pedophile.
No one asked him his thoughts on the matter.
It's just a complete, it's a very bad equivalence that he's making.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
alex jones
So, Comey, maybe you have sex with little kids.
I'm not saying you do.
It's not defamation.
I'm saying maybe you do.
Maybe you're a Martian from Pluto.
You say this, you say what?
The media wants to take your gloves off.
Let's do it.
Let's get in the arena, Jack.
I'm here to ram heads with you.
I'm here to take you down.
unidentified
Liberty or death?
alex jones
Victory or death.
No surrender.
dan friesen
We all can remember back in April of last year when he was being sued by Hamdi Ulakaya of Chibani Yoko.
jordan holmes
I will fight this till my dying day.
dan friesen
On this, I will stand.
jordan holmes
This is the hill I shall die on.
I apologize, by the way.
unidentified
Two days later, legally, I apologize.
jordan holmes
100%.
It turns out they wanted a lot of money, and I'm totally going to apologize.
dan friesen
Oh, it turns out I forgot what I said.
jordan holmes
Oh, who knows?
dan friesen
Jesus, I committed defamation.
Also, I think you're pushing the envelope of what you should do when you're in Alex Jones in that last bit of it when he's like, maybe you have sex with children.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Who knows?
I mean, that is defensible insofar as maybe everybody does or does not have sex with children, but they don't.
Also, isn't Comey is like 6'6.
He's super tall.
His reach is too far for Alex.
dan friesen
There's no way.
jordan holmes
Alex is out of shape.
Comey probably exercises.
No chance.
dan friesen
I bet Method Man and Ghostface are trying to enlist him for a pickup basketball game.
jordan holmes
I do not think they were.
dan friesen
You need a big man in the center.
jordan holmes
He's huge.
No, you don't.
Basketball has changed.
Now it's all about wings, man.
It's all about 3 and D, guys.
You got to raise up your 3%.
dan friesen
I'm living back in the 90s.
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
Basketball has grown from there.
dan friesen
Now, right.
jordan holmes
It's all about analytics now, Dan.
dan friesen
I'm hearing from the chat room, he's 6'8, which is not that big for a basketball man.
jordan holmes
He's crazy tall.
dan friesen
It's not big for a basketball basketball.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, you know.
dan friesen
My premise is out the window.
unidentified
What's the best?
jordan holmes
I get it.
alex jones
You guys come from a bunch of cowardly scum.
I don't.
To me, it's not even courage.
It's my genetics.
Victory or death.
Victory or death.
You understand?
dan friesen
I get it.
alex jones
Victory or death.
So the left is all on their ramming speed right now.
jordan holmes
Ramming speed.
alex jones
They're going all out.
jordan holmes
Well, good.
alex jones
You're finally going to man up a little bit.
We've stood up to you finally.
Your reign of terror is coming to an end.
And you're finally going to have to get out in the open and lose some skin in the game.
I've already lost a lot of skin, Jack.
I'm mentally money.
I lost all my skin and all my treasure and the whole thing because my house in the middle of House Jones doesn't have a future if we don't beat you.
So my whole house is in.
dan friesen
You should ask your house.
alex jones
And your houses are in now, too, and you know it, don't you?
So we'll see whose houses, House Soros or House Jones, has victory at the end of this.
Because I know how history works.
jordan holmes
Do you?
alex jones
My destruction is the seeds of your sure destruction, fools.
dan friesen
Fools.
I think he's talking about.
Is he doing Star Wars?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I feel like he's doing Star Wars.
That's not history.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Afraid not.
dan friesen
You strike me down, I become a symbol.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you don't, Alex.
If you get struck down, everybody's like, one, everybody like us is like, nah, well, I guess we got to move on.
Or two, everybody's like, who?
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
dan friesen
But you know what?
I mean, if he does, like, let's say someone kills him or something like that, which I think would be terrible.
But if someone did it?
Yeah, I would.
It would.
It would always be bad.
But I think that if it did happen, I'd be like, boy, I kind of get why that happened.
I think it's a shame.
I certainly am not for it, but I would look at it and be like, these are kind of the consequences of this incredibly bigoted, violent rhetoric that he puts out into the world.
Absolutely.
You're going to end up getting people so activated in a certain way, in a negative way, that I see how that happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you want to go with the house metaphor, Alex, the House of Jones getting taken down is not the Red Wedding.
The House of Jones getting taken down is the Lannisters getting murdered.
dan friesen
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
Everybody's kind of cool with that.
dan friesen
It's interesting that you bring that up because in this episode, Alex Jones straight up steals the Game of Thrones theme song and uses it for a clip video.
unidentified
Okay.
Listen to this.
It is a big idea.
A new world order.
How is it that this organization is so well-funded, so organized?
Islamic state-linked militants have gained a stronger foothold in Libya.
dan friesen
So that goes on from another watch Game of Thrones.
I don't know.
I would do now.
That goes on like two and a half, three minutes.
It's the entire Game of Thrones theme song.
I don't think that falls under fair use.
I think that that probably is illegal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I'm probably going to go with that.
Do they secure the rights for that?
dan friesen
If any of our listeners want to tweet at the composer of that Game of Thrones theme and see if he is interested in.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's totally got a solid cease and desist order there.
dan friesen
Yeah, telling him to stop.
Go ahead and do that.
He seems like a cool guy.
He also worked on the Blade Trinity soundtrack with the Rizza.
jordan holmes
It's full circle, man.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It's all around me.
dan friesen
I forget that no one was listening to our pre-show conversations about Blade Trinity.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about how fucking.
jordan holmes
Also, if you are listening, just kind of imagine our pre-show conversations always being about Blade Trinity.
That's basically what we talked about.
dan friesen
There's a lot of ground to cover.
jordan holmes
There's a lot.
There's a lot going on.
dan friesen
Anyway, this next clip, Alex Jones.
First of all, he's a thrifty dude.
And second of all, he has integrity with money.
alex jones
We have record all-time highest traffic to Infowars.com and newswars.com right now.
And yes, it takes a lot to fight these lawsuits, but I'm not selling a wide-body $50 million jet like Glenn Beck is.
I fly a lot of the time in coach.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
A lot of the time?
alex jones
When it's some long trip or something, I'm not spending $6,000, $7,000 to fly first class to places like Europe.
I'm in coach, baby.
Now, sure, I could pay being first class, but then I wouldn't have the money to build this operation.
jordan holmes
I mean, I am in first class.
alex jones
I wouldn't have the money to fight the globalist attacks.
I am a war machine against the globalists.
I am here committed to go all the way to the end.
I want to make that clear.
Don't let them make you think I'm losing by all these attacks.
We're winning, and they know it, and they're pissed.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I really don't think so.
Also, wasn't the reign of terror almost over, and at the same time, he's never mind.
These guys are terrible.
He's not good at that.
dan friesen
When you think of War Machine, you think about that ultimate fighter who beat the shit out of his girlfriend because he thought he was cheating on her.
That porn actress.
Oh, left her just completely.
jordan holmes
I was thinking of the Avengers, but I guess yours is way worse.
dan friesen
Well, I think that's the most recent.
I don't think War Machine is relevant in the MCU.
Is he?
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
In Civil War, he got paralyzed for like 25 seconds, and then immediately he was saved by Stark Technology or whatever.
dan friesen
I don't watch nerd movies.
jordan holmes
They're very low stakes in the MCU.
dan friesen
Nerd.
Anyway, the other thing is, Alex, how many boats do you own?
How much of that money is coming from the operation?
How much could you save?
jordan holmes
Well, he flies with those boats and coach.
Come on, man.
He's not going to fly first class for his boats.
dan friesen
Can you imagine how bad that would be if you're just trying to take a flight?
Here comes Alex with one of his boats coming down the aisle.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
You don't even have the windows.
jordan holmes
Not fitting that in the overhead compartment.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine sitting right next to Alex Jones on like a United flight?
dan friesen
Yeah, I can.
jordan holmes
Especially.
Oh, no.
If you're on Southwest where everybody lines up, there's no way he's lining up at his right ticket number.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He's fucking going right ahead.
He's going to claim that he's a paraplegian.
dan friesen
If I was sitting next to him on a flight, I'd pretend I was a globalist.
I'd fuck with him.
Because we've seen how susceptible he is.
unidentified
You know, we're coming for you.
dan friesen
Alex, so glad you're here.
I've got to tell you something.
I'm half sheep.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
Alex, I was born in one of the proto-Cow Techs.
dan friesen
You know what, though?
I actually could fuck with him because I've talked about this before on the air.
jordan holmes
This isn't easy, Leigh.
dan friesen
Well, my...
Not Leigh.
Well, maybe, but not like that.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
My dad has an interesting parallel to Barack Obama throughout some of his education and early life.
jordan holmes
Insofar as he wasn't an American citizen when he got elected?
dan friesen
No, not that part.
Call Larry Nichols about that.
Okay.
My dad was at Harvard at the same time that Barack Obama was there.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
And then my dad was at the East West Center, which is a research organization that he went to right after he got his doctorate.
He went, it's in Honolulu, Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Which, by the way, pick a side.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, are you East or are you West?
dan friesen
Oh, no, it's about merging the East and West in terms of study and cultural study and stuff like that.
But anyway, Obama was associated with the East-West Center.
And Alex brings that up as a conspiracy.
I've been there many times in my early life.
I could just get on a plane and be like, look, my dad is deeply involved on this level.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could fucking crush it.
dan friesen
He knew Obama back in college.
Look at the records.
I could do something like that.
It would be fun.
It would be really fun.
If I was stuck on a plane, I could really fuck with his head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but if you were just a guy, fuck that.
He would suck to be on a plane with.
dan friesen
I gotta be, well, not if you know how to play the game.
jordan holmes
Right, but that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Half sheep or new conspiracies.
That's the only way you play it on that plane.
jordan holmes
Half sheep or new conspiracies.
A lot of people say that in a lot of different situations in life.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm getting tired of hearing that.
jordan holmes
That's evergreen.
dan friesen
If I had a dollar for every time.
jordan holmes
Oh, every time it's like half sheep or I don't even know anymore.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, we deal with some recent events that have made people a little bit mad and rightfully so.
jordan holmes
Oh, Hungary.
alex jones
In the West, in the U.S., and in Europe, they then get all the big corporate CEOs to a man and woman who almost pay no taxes, who are multinational, international, diplomatic community, to further try to create white guilt and exacerbate tensions.
And then, if it happens that you have, obviously, a black activist, leftist activist come in, they won't buy anything, they want to use the bathroom, they sit there in the restaurant.
You have a policy that you can't do that.
What restaurant wouldn't throw you out if you just came and said, I'm going to sit here.
No, I don't want to be seated.
I just want to sit here.
They said, What are you?
Should you have a flat tire or something?
Is somebody coming to get you?
No, I'm just going to sit here.
Well, sorry, Paul, so you can't.
You at least got to buy some coffee.
You got to do something to be in here.
Like, somebody walks in your tire shop and says, I'm just going to sit here and drink your coffee.
You're like, no, get out.
No loitering.
No loitering.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, Alex, earlier in the show, I did.
jordan holmes
The official position of InfoWars is bathrooms are for customers only, goddammit.
Buy a pack of gum.
dan friesen
There's a clip earlier in the show that I didn't cut because it was sort of, it got muddy and he started yelling a bunch about Charlton Heston being on the right side of civil rights.
Of course.
I was like, I don't want to deal with this.
jordan holmes
Never happened.
dan friesen
But he thinks that those two gentlemen who got arrested at Starbucks was a publicity stunt.
I'll read to you from this article.
Rashawn Nelson initially brushed it off when a Starbucks manager told him he couldn't use the restroom because he wasn't a paying customer.
He thought nothing of it when he and his childhood friend and business partner, Dante Robinson, were approached at their table and were asked if they needed help.
The 23-year-old entrepreneurs declined, explaining that they were just waiting for a business meeting.
A few minutes later, they started noticing, they hardly noticed when the police came into the coffee shop and tele officers started walking in their direction.
Quote, that's when we knew she called the police on us, Nelson told the Associated Press in their first interview by the two black men since video of their April 12th trespassing arrests touched off a fur in the United States over racial profiling or what has been dubbed retail racism or shopping well black.
Nelson and Robinson were led away in handcuffs from the shop in the city's well-to-do Rittenhouse Square neighborhood in an incident recorded on white customers' cell phones.
In the week since, the men have met with the Starbucks apologetic CEO and have started pushing for lasting change in the coffee shop chain, including new policies on discrimination and ejecting customers.
Quote, we do want to make sure it doesn't happen to anybody again, Robinson said.
What if it wasn't us sitting there?
What if it was a kid that didn't know somebody that knew somebody?
Do they make it to jail?
Do they die?
What happens?
On Thursday, they also got an apology from the Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross, a black man who at first staunchly defended his officers' handling of the encounter.
Quote, I should have said that the officers acted within the scope of the law and not that they didn't do anything wrong, Ross said.
Words are very important.
At a press conference, at the press conference, Assamba Ross said he, quote, failed miserably in addressing the arrests.
He said that the issue of race was not lost on him and he shouldn't be the person making things worse.
Shame on me if in any way I've done that, he said.
Now, what you got to realize is.
jordan holmes
I guess contrition is nice.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know, man.
dan friesen
But what you've got to understand is this isn't a publicity stunt.
These two dudes ended up spending about 12 hours in prison.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
They didn't get out until midnight.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
They were held in prison until midnight, and they only got out because the district attorney declined to prosecute them.
Like, this is a real, this is a really fucked up thing.
jordan holmes
We're doing great, America.
This work, guys.
dan friesen
They made them sit in a cell to the point where one of them specifically went on record and said, I don't think I'm going to make it out.
I don't think I'm going to survive this holding.
It's incredibly fucked up.
And the idea that Alex is just dismissing it is like, oh, these are just black activists, you know, and publicity stunt.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
I mean, fucking, come on.
If you were white, they would have said, hey, go away.
Even if the cops were called, the cops would have been like, okay, now you have left Starbucks, so go home.
Do something else.
dan friesen
I can't count the number of times that I've gone into Starbucks, used the bathroom, and left.
I can't count the number of times I've been to my therapist's office too early.
There's a Starbucks down the street.
I sit there for like 15 minutes.
No one bothers me.
I don't buy anything.
And I just sit on my phone.
jordan holmes
Use the Wi-Fi.
It doesn't fucking matter.
dan friesen
I also should tell you, I used to manage a Starbucks.
I know about their corporate policies.
So that comes into play a little bit into this next clip.
jordan holmes
Do you have a card or something that allows you to be part of any Starbucks you ever want to go to?
You've just flashed this little like.
I can always use the bathroom card.
dan friesen
No, I quit unceremoniously from getting that job.
If anything, they should be barring me.
They should call the police when I show up based on the can't come in to manage the store tomorrow.
Got a better job.
Got to go.
So one of the reasons Alex is talking about Starbucks is in response to this uproar about this incident that is legitimately fucked up.
jordan holmes
No, it's gigantic racism on a mass scale that is just in the public eye.
unidentified
Fucking.
jordan holmes
We're in 2018.
Imagine how long we've been going through this shit.
And it's all.
It's all of the time.
It's all of the time in America.
Two black men cannot do anything without being at a 60% risk of having the cops called them.
It's insane.
dan friesen
But we come down to, and Alex is manifesting it in that last clip, is this trend that dumb people have.
It's not dumb.
It's people with unexamined bigotry and bias in them.
jordan holmes
Otherwise known as bigotry and bias.
dan friesen
Well, but I think we all have some sort of bigotry that we try and work against.
The problem is when it's unexamined and when you just allow it to exist unchecked.
And that's what Alex is manifesting.
And what it does is it criminalizes black behavior that you would forgive and look the other way when white people do it.
And a lot of people, I would say, don't recognize that that is something they do.
It's very threatening to your identity to think that you do it.
And it's a mess.
It's a complete mess.
It's disgraceful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well.
dan friesen
No other comment.
jordan holmes
What is it?
60% of white people support Trump, so fuck off.
That's it.
No, I think it's actually closer to like 80%.
unidentified
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
I think it is.
dan friesen
It's not that high.
You're talking about that stat that just came out about evangelical Christians.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck them.
jordan holmes
Fuck every evangelical Christian alive now.
dan friesen
I think it was like mid-70s support for him in evangelical communities and like 30s for the general public.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's fucking unreal.
dan friesen
So that event happened at Starbucks and Starbucks announced that they were going to do some activity.
Which is good.
I don't know if it'll work, but God bless them for trying something.
jordan holmes
Are they going to then research some way to give those guys 12 hours of their life back?
dan friesen
I think from what I've seen, I'm very glad that it ended as decently as it could.
jordan holmes
As amicably as it did.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because it's entirely possible they could have been murdered by the cops.
That's a totally legitimate fear.
That's a totally legitimate fear.
I went to Starbucks to have a business meeting, and then I was murdered by the fucking cops.
There was a fucking 60-40 chance that that was going to happen.
dan friesen
60-40 seems high.
But it's a real possibility.
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a mess.
So it is good to address these issues.
I don't know if corporations are best answer is no.
No, of course not, because you've had jobs before, and they've had the videos you have to watch about harassment and stuff like that.
No one really takes it seriously, all that shit.
So, you know, I don't know if it's going to be effective, but be that as it may.
That happened.
There was an uproar about it, and then some guy made a video.
I think it's a funny thing.
unidentified
I don't like the some guy made a video comment coming from you.
dan friesen
I think it's actually kind of funny.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
There's this guy, and he made a video of him going into Starbucks.
And I haven't watched the rest of his videos.
He might be a total asshole.
I have no idea.
But it seems to me this guy, because I watched the video in question, and it's him, and he's like, I'm about to go into this Starbucks and get my reparations coffee.
I'm going to go get my free coffee.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
And so he goes in.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan.
dan friesen
So he goes in, and he's like, hey, I heard y'all are racists.
I want a free coffee.
And the person behind the counter is like, oh, I heard that story.
That is really fucked up.
Yeah, I'll give you a coffee.
So that is.
jordan holmes
All right, now I just, I, ugh.
dan friesen
That's the video.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Alex is going to set it up.
And then, again, as someone who has managed a Starbucks, I have some things to say on the other end of the video.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
alex jones
So this fella, it's up on Infowars.com.
It's Potep Jesus at Vibe High.
I'm going to get him on the show.
dan friesen
Natural ally of Alexander.
alex jones
He goes into the Starbucks.
Bobo was in response to the news that Starbucks is set to close 8,000 stores for an afternoon for race-based training.
And also, I have an article here that the type of race-based training they're doing, implicit association test.
The professors that developed it said it's a fraud and doesn't work.
So, again, it's all about creating white guilt.
And so he walks in and talks to this young woman working, going to college at the same time.
And she says, oh, I heard about that.
About the racism of Starbucks.
Yes, here's your free coffee.
So let's go ahead and roll that video.
unidentified
Give him my free coffee.
Y'all ready?
dan friesen
Y'all ready?
unidentified
Are y'all ready?
dan friesen
He's mugging to the camera and like having a great time.
Of course.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't you?
dan friesen
He goes in and he gets the coffee, and the two of them, like him and the person who's working there, have a really nice conversation.
And it ends up being like, yeah, you know, this is actually my last shift before I end up going back to school, got finals and stuff.
He's like, oh, I hope you have a good time with that.
Best of luck with that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're very nice.
Because the stunt didn't quite work.
Because I don't think that I honestly think that that guy was trying to make a comedy video, and the person behind the counter was super nice.
And he's like, I'm not going to beat her up.
jordan holmes
I think the plan was actually to make a whole mess of things and be like, I deserve that whole thing.
And then come back.
dan friesen
It's unclear exactly, but here's what I know based on being someone who manages Starbucks.
jordan holmes
If Starbucks had said, okay, change the game.
We're not closing 8,000 stores for race-biased training.
Every black person gets free coffee for a day.
That's a whole weirder situation.
I think I prefer that.
It's like when Taco Bell gives you a free taco for Taco Tuesday or whatever.
dan friesen
That's a little different.
jordan holmes
Taco Day.
I mean, it's a little bit different.
But I'd be fine with it.
dan friesen
Well, see, here's the thing.
Starbucks, they make their coffee, and then every about two hours, you've got to flip it.
And so they end up with tons of coffee that they don't end up selling.
The company is keenly aware of that and wants to nurture the image of being a friendly establishment.
So generally speaking, managers are trained to encourage their employees to give coffee to homeless people that come in because they know it's just going down the drain anyway.
And if you can create this sort of place where people feel safe, feel cared for, that sort of thing, you get much more mileage out of that than the coffee you're going to throw away because it's not fresh anymore.
You would always be giving coffee to people who come in, but that doesn't address this piece.
The other piece is they know they're throwing away the coffee and they know that these people are close to minimum wage, low-paid employees.
They don't want to fight.
So if anyone comes in and is like, I demand X, Y, or Z, you just give it to them.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Because that's how it works in the service industry, generally speaking, when there's no loss for the company, and, oh, what do you want?
Your employee to get into a fight with this guy who's clearly videotaping it or whatever.
It's absolutely protocol for you to just be like, here you go.
jordan holmes
Well, it's like how now if you shoplift employees are trained to be like, get on out of here.
dan friesen
Let them go.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
It's not worth it to argue.
It's not worth it to try and chase down somebody trying to steal something that's insured anyway or isn't a loss to the business.
Right.
jordan holmes
Unless you're Orlando Jones in the replacements.
dan friesen
Sure.
I don't remember that movie.
It's great.
jordan holmes
I watch it at least three times a year.
dan friesen
There's a few things that I can take away from this clip.
jordan holmes
Really anti-union movie, which is strange.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It isn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's super anti-union.
If you analyze what's going on inside that movie, it's purely anti-union and pro-ownership.
It's bananas.
It's like it's every argument that you've ever heard somebody make where it's like, oh, these baseball players are overpaid.
And you're like, if they didn't get the money, it's going more towards billionaires.
There's all that money.
Give them the money.
They're the ones who are making all the good stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyways, there's a I'm sorry, I don't want to.
jordan holmes
I could talk about the replacements for so long.
That's insane.
dan friesen
That will replace Blade Trinity for our next pre-show.
So the thing here, too, is that a little bit later, Alex does say something to the effect of, if black people aren't happy here, they should go to Africa.
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
And a lot of people have been.
jordan holmes
But the people that we know in Africa are like, white people should leave.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is a murky territory for him for the future.
jordan holmes
It's very strange.
dan friesen
A lot of people have been posting clips about that, and I've seen it posted.
I'm like, oh, this is super racist.
And like, Alex Jones says tons of racist things.
I think that this one is.
jordan holmes
I don't think we've ever documented any.
dan friesen
Hundreds of them.
But I think this one is actually slightly unfair because I think people are taking him a little bit out of context because he's not saying go back to Africa or anything like that.
What he's saying isn't okay, but what he means by it and what isn't being captured by the people who are critiquing it is what he's saying is you should look at what's going on over there and be like, oh, it's good over here.
It's still bad.
jordan holmes
Which is an even worse non-argument.
dan friesen
It's still bad.
It's not worse.
It's still bad, but it's not the same thing as like, you don't like it here, get out.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I think that's the way it's being pitched.
I think it might be worse.
How?
I think that argument is fucking insane because you can use it.
dan friesen
It is insane.
jordan holmes
You can use that for literally anything.
Like, oh, you care about human trafficking?
Look at human trafficking elsewhere.
Be happy with the status quo wherever you're at.
That is a really offensive argument to any human being.
dan friesen
It is offensive, and it only leans in towards complacency to a certain extent, but I don't think it's as bad as.
jordan holmes
It's like whenever people are like, oh, you think there's no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans?
The Democrats say that we should be incrementally better in some respects and then support the status quo in every other way.
And then capitulate on every other thing.
dan friesen
You may be right.
You may be right.
I don't know.
It's interesting, the outright white nationalism of you don't like it, get out, versus the stop your complaining is worse elsewhere.
jordan holmes
Stop your complaining is worse elsewhere.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's an interesting point.
I don't know how to unpack that, really.
They're both bad.
jordan holmes
I guess that's the land.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't say either of those things, dumbass.
dan friesen
They're not great.
Speaking of not great, we got a new guest in the house.
jordan holmes
Great transition.
dan friesen
We have a new guest.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This guy is a street artist.
Are you excited?
jordan holmes
Hotep Jesus?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He's a guy named Sabo.
Sabo!
jordan holmes
That's it?
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I like the one-word name.
dan friesen
Alex fancies him a conservative Banksy.
jordan holmes
That doesn't happen.
Make sense anything.
dan friesen
What you really have going on here is a guy who used to, and still does, post a bunch of pro-Trump street art.
And he, I went to his website and I checked it out.
jordan holmes
What does that even look like?
dan friesen
Just weird photoshopped things of Trump being awesome and giving the bird to people and weird like Hillary Clinton with a bunch of prism tats and saggy boobs.
jordan holmes
I really feel like that's more ironic than anything else.
That is only funnier when you realize that he means it.
dan friesen
It's straight up propaganda just in a different medium.
It's all just Trump propaganda.
jordan holmes
But it's a complete backfire.
Like if you saw Trump, if you saw a street art with Trump giving you the finger, you'd be like, yeah, fuck that guy.
You wouldn't be like, look at how great he is.
dan friesen
I'm not sure I'd be like that.
I wouldn't be like, fuck that guy.
I'd be like, this feels familiar.
jordan holmes
Did he put that up?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The thing that I think is really fucking funny is that this guy's sort of motto or ethos is conservatism is the new punk.
And he's very clear that what he means by conservatism is this new Trump know-nothing-y nativist.
jordan holmes
White nationalism.
dan friesen
Yes, it's that sort of version of conservatism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is this, the 80s again?
dan friesen
And it's all backing up Trump, right?
So I would say that conservatism being conservatism being punk would make sense if back in the late 70s, the Sex Pistols, all of their songs were just about the DuPont family.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And how awesome they were.
jordan holmes
Either that or like, why did we get rid of Nixon?
dan friesen
He was great.
We all remember all of those great classics by the Ramones about Howard Hughes, how he should be president.
jordan holmes
You know what was amazing about The Velvet Underground?
Love the war on Iraq.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Crazy.
So this guy is a mess.
But you should expect that.
Here in this first clip, we hear of him.
We find out some of the company he keeps.
sabo
Okay.
You know, I was recently in Austin with the Proud Boys, and Steve Bars asked us to leave.
They said, we don't want your type here.
And I couldn't help but wonder, what the hell, Top are you talking about?
alex jones
The left has gone into just a hysterical authoritarianism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You don't want the Proud Boys in your bar.
That's authoritarian.
jordan holmes
By the way, the corporate CEO thing that he mentioned earlier, what he was talking about was the tax repatriation, I assume.
Maybe.
That is entirely facilitated by Trump's tax plan.
That's his entire goal there.
To imagine that it's some sort of globalist plot is insane.
It's ridiculous.
It's out and out trying to change reality into something that fits within your narrative.
Now, I know this isn't unusual for Alex Jones.
I know this isn't unusual for what we're talking about here.
But within the context of this clip, it's even more egregious.
This is fucking stupid.
I think the Proud Boys should be banned from every fucking business that there's ever been.
There should be.
Look, if Starbucks closes 8,000 stores for racial bias training, they should also close 8,000 stores to teach people about the Proud Boys.
dan friesen
And how to throw them out of the world.
jordan holmes
And how to get rid of them.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just keep yelling cereal names at them.
They'll get really excited.
They'll be impressed that you can name serials.
jordan holmes
Well, everybody is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, from the chat room that the Dead Kennedys wrote California Uber Alice about Jerry Brown being eventually, what's this?
Being, who cares?
All right.
I shouldn't read the chat room.
unidentified
Good work.
dan friesen
I was going to try and pivot that into something about.
jordan holmes
Your transition skills failed you, Danny.
dan friesen
Yeah, I was going to try and work that into another punk band writing a song about Lee Iacoka just because his name came to me randomly.
All right.
But be that.
Nope.
Not saying be that as it may.
Not going to do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm pretty sure priests didn't write a song about how great Trump was.
dan friesen
There you go.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Sabo, throughout this entire thing, Alex is like, street art.
Love it.
Love street art.
jordan holmes
Sure, he does.
dan friesen
He's like, we've got to get an InfoWars art thing going.
You, Ben Garrison, let's do this.
And so he's trying to now make InfoWars.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to lie, I would go to an Infowars street gallery.
dan friesen
It's not going to happen.
This is going to go down much like the Patriot music record label Alex was going to start three years ago.
But Alex has to walk this.
He has to walk this weird line because vandalism is illegal.
You know, like doing these street art things that these installations that Sabo does, it's technically illegal.
Now, I'm no narc.
I don't give a shit what he does.
I'm fine with it.
I think he's stupid, but I don't care on the legal aspect.
But Alex is.
jordan holmes
And probably working at cross-purposes to what he's saying that he should be.
dan friesen
Possibly.
It might just remind people about how much they don't like Trump.
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
And it kind of makes Hillary look cool as fuck.
dan friesen
No, you should see that picture.
It doesn't look great.
But the thing is, Alex has to walk this really weird line where he can't encourage his audience to commit acts of vandalism because that's like he knows that it's illegal.
It's very weird.
So he has to sort of figure it out and do the best he can.
In this next clip, Sabo talks about the difference between his school of conservatives, these dumb-dumb liberals.
sabo
The thing is, Republicans, they just want to have barbecues and raise their kids and have a job.
Everyone on the left is politically active.
We need to learn to do the same.
I know it sucks.
Politics isn't sexy.
But unfortunately, if we don't do it, man, they're just going to run us over.
alex jones
Dondre, it's survival, and I want all the listeners to learn from you about street art.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's going to work.
jordan holmes
What would they learn?
dan friesen
I think Alex thinks that his Hail Mary is street art because he's talking to a street artist.
That's why that happens.
He's a chameleon.
jordan holmes
He's very susceptible to literally anything anyone says on his show.
dan friesen
Whatever you're talking about is the most important part of the InfoWars.
Absolutely.
So that thing that Sabo.
jordan holmes
Buy pants that you know might not fit.
dan friesen
No, that's ages.
That's old school information warfare.
Random pants.
What Sabo's saying, I think I kind of actually agree with for a different reason.
I think that these Republican conservatives that he's talking about, they do just want to have a barbecue.
And they want to ignore that the comfort that they're enjoying is built on the back of exploitation that's usually racist and sexist in nature.
Right.
jordan holmes
And to confront that is a nightmare to them.
dan friesen
Which is what the liberals that they're angry about.
Not all liberals, certainly.
But the liberals that they're particularly mad at are the people who have gotten to the point where they have realized, oh, shit, our comfort is based on basically a whipping boy, a metaphorical whipping boy in terms of underprivileged classes.
And for us to just sit back and enjoy a barbecue while we know that that's the case is the moral equivalent of actively supporting that system.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And therefore, they are very politically motivated.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So I agree.
jordan holmes
If you support policies that are essentially white supremacist in action, whether or not they are white supremacist in expression?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You are still a white nationalist.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Like, that is what you are doing.
You are condoning it by your inaction.
dan friesen
Reminds me of that old thought experiment.
You know, the ones who walk away from Amalius, I believe is how you pronounce that.
jordan holmes
Would you rather fight a duck-sized horse or a lot of horse-sized ducks?
dan friesen
No, that's a theoretical question.
That's a would you rather.
jordan holmes
Would you rather would you fight yourself or fuck yourself if there was a clone?
I believe that's the classic.
The classic thought experiment.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That was Plato, I believe.
dan friesen
I just remember this from an ethics class I took in college, just this idea of a society that's perfectly comfortable and utopian.
And at a certain point, everybody, when they get to a certain age, it's revealed to them that the reason that their society is so comfortable and utopian is that one kid is being beaten like a dog, like a dog that gets beaten.
It's a savage thing.
That kid lives a miserable existence.
But because of that, everyone else gets to be super happy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And the idea is...
jordan holmes
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
dan friesen
Right.
The idea is, would you walk away from that idyllic community and that society knowing that it's built on the back of brutal abuse of an innocent person?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex wouldn't.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And conservatism right now as a family.
jordan holmes
Is that a thought experiment or just like an elucidation of what it's like to be black in this country?
dan friesen
That might be what's behind it, but it's an old school thought experiment that I think every philosophy student ends up running into.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I remember it from an ethics class.
jordan holmes
That's basically the would you save five people by purposefully killing one, or would you, through inaction, wind up killing five people?
dan friesen
Somewhat.
It's not as cut and dry as those just like simple utilitarian arguments.
But who cares?
I have bigger things to talk about about Sabo.
Sabo accidentally slipped.
Sabo fucked up.
Okay.
In this next clip, he talks about a billboard that he defaced, which is fine.
I'm not a narc, like I told you.
I don't give a shit.
You want to deface billboards?
Have that.
jordan holmes
Well, so long as he doesn't deface Saba, the great Chicago rapper who put out a wonderful new album.
dan friesen
Saba versus Sabo.
Yeah.
We need him to go against Soba.
jordan holmes
The noodles?
dan friesen
Yes.
So what you've got here is he's talking about this billboard that he defaced.
And what he did is there was a woman on it, I believe a figure skater.
I can't remember the exact visual, but it's a picture.
jordan holmes
Kerrigan.
dan friesen
It's that picture of Al Franken, who looks like he's groping that lady.
Remember that whole thing?
Yeah.
It's Al Franken from that picture blown up and put on that billboard.
Now, here's where he fucks up.
He says that someone contacted him and told him to make that billboard.
Sabo is admitting that he had advance notice that this story was coming out, which is incredibly fucked up.
Listen to this clip.
sabo
I have people that call me up and say, hey, I have someone in the State Department that's going to go speak against who's the one groper guy?
Well, anyways.
alex jones
Well, most of them are gropers.
I'm at Weinstein.
sabo
No, the comedian, Al.
alex jones
Al Franken.
sabo
Al Franken.
Yeah, Al Franken.
I get phone calls saying, hey, man, I have someone in the State Department.
She's going to come out pretty soon.
So we coordinate.
I did the Al Franken billboard with them.
And it's like, and we affected some change.
How much change I had a part of, I have no idea.
I just know that that went viral.
It went national.
And that took a lot of balls, man.
I was laying in bed going, oh my God, someone's going to die tomorrow morning.
I told my crew, if you don't want to do this, tell me now.
And they said, nope, let's do this.
And we practiced this over and over and over again until it became a dance.
And we got that thing up there in like 15 minutes.
It was the most beautiful thing in the world.
dan friesen
He had very short notice.
jordan holmes
Like the Lombarda.
dan friesen
He had very short notice from somebody.
jordan holmes
In the State Department?
That seems a little bit self-aggrandizing.
dan friesen
But that might have just been...
jordan holmes
See, because there's nobody in the State Department because Tillerson didn't hire anybody.
dan friesen
But that might have been just someone bluffing or trying to make the thing seem more important than it was.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Here is a probable coincidence.
Quote from this CBS News article.
Hours before the allegations against Senator Al Franken became public Thursday, Trump ally Roger Stone seemed to know they were coming.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
A Twitter account linked to the former Trump advisor posted a quote from Stone in the early hours Thursday morning that suggested he expected allegations involving the Minnesota Democrat to go public.
Quote, Roger Stone says it's Al Franken's time in the barrel.
Franken next in a long list of Democrats to be accused of grabby behavior.
Later in the morning, that story came out.
Leanne Tweeden, who went on to accept Franken's apology and say an investigation doesn't need to happen.
It's all very suspicious stuff.
I have very little doubt that the person who contacted him and told him, hey, overnight, we need to get this billboard up was one Roger Stone.
And because Sabo is so, he's an acid casualty.
He's like a 50-year-old dude or so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, he does not sound like somebody on the cutting edge of street art.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, say what you want about his art.
I don't really, I can't critique art.
I don't have that skill set.
But what I can do is draw weird parallels between someone who is not media savvy accidentally saying on Alex Jones' show that someone contacted him and paid him to make this billboard on short notice.
Clearly, basically overnight, Roger Stone tweeted 12 hours before the allegations came out.
It seems like there's probably maybe Roger Stone everywhere.
It might be a coincidence.
jordan holmes
is he not it's probably why is it that we find roger stone behind so many different bullshit things It's probably a coincidence.
No, I don't think so.
You know what, though?
I think Roger Stone might actually control everything.
dan friesen
When he said someone in the State Department, it made me think of Steve Pieczenik.
But I don't think that Steve Pieczenik and Roger would have been collaborating on that.
I don't think that's the case.
I think it's Roger throwing around State Department references or whatever.
jordan holmes
He's Roger Stone.
Don't throw anything around.
dan friesen
This is a massive, massive slip on their part.
Like the idea that street artist Sabo knew about the Al Franken stuff before, and Roger Stone, InfoWars narrative specialist.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Trickster God.
dan friesen
Executive producer and dirty trickster knew about it in the same timeframe.
jordan holmes
Roger Loki Stone.
dan friesen
Roger propagandist Stone.
Yeah.
Getting a street artist to make propaganda for him about a story that he knows is going to come out.
It just seems too likely.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
Is there any way that we could turn Roger Stone's powers for good?
No.
unidentified
I feel like there's some sort of 30-year streak of this.
jordan holmes
There's some sort of 40-year streak.
There's some kind of Darth Vader narrative that we could pull Roger Stone into, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like he has to die in a tragically heroic way.
The redeeming of the anti-hero.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Now you're going Star Wars on him.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Anyway, we got one more clip of Sabo real quick before we got to take a break.
And here he advocates that everyone get into street art.
alex jones
They're coming after everybody.
We are fighting for our lives.
We must get out of cyberspace and get onto the street and then fire back from the third dimension into cyberspace.
I don't know who did that here in Austin, but it's terrible.
sabo
You know, it is.
And you know what?
All you have to do is get your butt up on one billboard and you'll realize what to do and what not to do.
The first one's always scary.
The second one's kind of scary.
But you're right.
Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, he wants nothing less than a civil war and he wants to destroy us.
He said that straight out, pretty much.
And you know what?
He's not going to destroy us.
Twitter is going to go the way of MySpace.
dan friesen
Probably not.
But I do like this idea of like, hey, all your listeners, just get up on billboards.
Your first one's going to be weird, but then I go better.
jordan holmes
You might fall.
dan friesen
Who knows?
So we've now had Sabo make a very startling admission.
What's up?
jordan holmes
Third dimension back into cyberspace.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Got to do it.
dan friesen
Alex is getting heady.
jordan holmes
Got to do it.
dan friesen
Right.
So we had to take a quick break because I had to use the restroom.
But let me tell you, when we get back, we have one of the lamest propaganda piece/slash special reports from Millie Weaver to discuss.
All right.
We generally don't talk about her all that much on this show.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of anytime Rainbow Snapchats up.
dan friesen
We need to discuss this one because it's next level stupid.
Okay.
And we will be dealing with that in just about two minutes.
We will be right back.
Thank you, folks.
All right, we're back.
jordan holmes
All righty, there we go.
dan friesen
Here we are.
So, Jordan, as I mentioned, it's time for us to take a look at a special report from Millie Weaver.
Now, what happened?
I guess, actually, I don't need to explain anything.
I think Alex will set it up perfectly in this next clip.
alex jones
Joining us is Millie Weaver, our intrepid reporter who loves to work on the road with her great cameraman and editor, Gavin Winch.
And last night, she called me very excited.
Video's now on Infowars.com.
MeToo Movement assaults conservative women for asking questions about the Clintons and their history of sexual assault.
dan friesen
Oh, my.
What a scoop.
What a scoop.
So what do you think about that so far?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think it's a valuable thing to ask about.
I think for too long they have been protected by so many influential powers that that is an issue that should be brought up and challenged.
Like the fact that it is a men thing.
It's a dudes thing, not a party thing, not an ideological thing.
It's something that men should be fucking regulated about.
So yes, I support this now.
I assume it's not going to go well.
dan friesen
Man.
Man.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's not going to go well.
dan friesen
This does not go well.
No boy.
So what ends up happening, I don't remember exactly how these clips go.
But I think in this first clip of Millie's actual report, we get to hear the question that she asks.
I'm not entirely sure.
This might, I don't know.
This might be just Alex talking.
I need to label clips better.
unidentified
Okay.
millie weaver
Basically, Tarana Burke got really upset when I asked about the possibility of the hashtag Me Too movement becoming too partisan and being used as a political weapon.
And if, you know, essentially that was going to take away from the mission, which is to help victims of sexual assault, which immediately then she turned nasty, was like, oh, well, I wonder who you voted for, and just suck her mob audience on me with this mob-like mentality that all started cheering her on and, you know, supporting her in trying to bully and intimidate me into silence.
dan friesen
So I would say a couple of important things.
The first I think is the most important.
And what she is accusing, because it's not a question, what she's accusing this hashtag me to meeting of being is too partisan or that it's being, you're turning it into a partisan thing.
That is what Millie is intending to do by going there and asking this question.
jordan holmes
Don't point that out.
dan friesen
She's literally doing the thing that she's accusing them.
jordan holmes
She has no concept of that.
dan friesen
It's bananas.
jordan holmes
Impossible for her to understand.
dan friesen
Philosophically, it is mind-blowing.
Because it's not inability to realize this.
jordan holmes
I disagree.
I think they are legitimately too dumb to examine their own actions.
dan friesen
No, no, no, because this is a setup.
We talk about good and bad faith all the time.
This is the definition of bad faith.
It shouldn't be evil.
Well, no, not even that, because I think those words are too loaded to even.
I think good and bad faith is much more relevant and important.
Because she didn't go there with a video camera to like, she doesn't live in fucking Akron.
She flew to Akron to go to this fucking speech.
And she did so specifically in order to hopefully antagonize a response that she can get on video that will feed into the narrative that she wants to push.
jordan holmes
Well, it's just like James O'Keefe.
All he wanted to do is find out the truth, Dan.
It wasn't about any kind of partisan agenda.
dan friesen
Timeout.
Can you imagine a scenario where she goes to Akron and she's like, here's my question.
And Tarana Burke is like, that's a very good point.
And I think there's a conversation that needs to be had.
And we are having it.
And I think that you might just be missing some pieces of it.
And it's actually just like, not great video.
And then she goes on Alex's show the next day and is like, hey, it's really amazing.
Actually, I went there and they were willing to have a dialogue.
jordan holmes
I got free coffee from Starbucks for being a conservative.
dan friesen
There's no way that that works.
That doesn't fly for Alex.
That doesn't fly for what she gets paid to do.
No.
She went there in bad faith in order to ask a question that was meant to antagonize and meant to accuse.
It was not meant to be like, hey, I care about Juanita Broderick.
I care about Kathleen Willie.
I care about these people that Bill Clinton has allegedly sexually assaulted.
I care about that.
It was, what the fuck's wrong with you?
Why don't you care about Democrat assaults and stuff like that?
And I think that's intellectually dishonest because I think, yeah, I think like.
jordan holmes
Not just that.
Not just that.
What it is, it is just like Alex whenever he pulls that bullshit, where immediately after some sort of tragedy happens, he has no concept of like, I feel empathy for the victims.
None of that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It is purely, I am going to aggressively make this worse.
That's my entire goal here, is to give, I could not give less of a shit about who he hurts.
All I want to do is hurt him.
It has nothing to do with, and it's not even retribution.
It's not even I want to hurt him in response to the damage that he's caused.
It's just I am irrationally driven by Larry Nichols' bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we'll hear a bit of her actual presentation of the question in a little bit, and we'll see what's what.
jordan holmes
I assume that it is very fair-minded, and she's willing to listen to opposing viewpoints.
dan friesen
If I know anything about Millie Weaver, it's that she is about sincerity.
She's about the new sincerity.
jordan holmes
Great wigs.
Hugely into great wigs.
dan friesen
She should have a podcast on maximum fun.
She's so into the new sincerity.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Sounds right.
dan friesen
She is all about just the truth and vulnerability and is not at all creating a complete bullshit version of things in order to serve her purposes.
So in this next clip, she talks more about what she had to endure at this place.
jordan holmes
Just so much.
In the name of journalism.
Tragedy.
millie weaver
And a mob of protesters came out.
I wasn't even sure what it was about because their banner said, take a look at it.
dan friesen
Real quick.
jordan holmes
I wasn't sure what it was about.
Go to the Facebook group.
dan friesen
What she's describing here, and it's going to come back and play out later.
What she's describing is she's setting up a narrative because she's edited her video.
And she wants to make it seem like she asked this question, got kicked out, and she walked out, and all of a sudden there was a protest going on that wasn't going on before.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's a mystery protest.
jordan holmes
Where did it come from?
dan friesen
Right.
millie weaver
So as I'm approaching it, I start getting flipped off and having women yelling at me.
And that's when I realized: wait a second, this is the hashtag Me Too movement.
And they were probably observing in a separate room because they were streaming the video to other rooms.
And that's when I realized, oh my gosh, you know, these women are irate.
They're very mad at me.
Essentially, Tyranna Burke gave them permission because they had all established rapport with her.
She did a really good job throughout the meeting, the speech, to make everyone establish rapport with her and seeming like she's just trying to help everyone.
And she's just this.
alex jones
Well, I mean, I can say this, Tyrene.
Tyranna's Burke.
Tyrannah Burke.
And these women, we haven't played the video yet.
Tyranny.
jordan holmes
They're just so vicious.
alex jones
They're so hateful.
And you're a woman.
I guess you went there without your camera person by yourself.
And then they've obviously been trained and ready for somebody to try to come in.
And this is how they act like vicious, entitled, arrogant piranhas.
The universities have turned into these anti-free speech bullying dens.
dan friesen
So that's sort of like they've built the narrative of what happened.
But we should really be like, we should not make bones about what this is about.
This is what this is about.
alex jones
If you support free speech, then you need to support InfoWars.
If you support Millie and our crew valiantly going into these den of wrestling authoritarian cult members and being assaulted and yelled at and hissed at our camera.
I guess steal.
jordan holmes
We can't afford to be able to get it.
alex jones
If you stand with us, then we need your financial support.
We've got products you need.
dan friesen
So he uses all of this bullshit that Millie is spinning out of this story.
jordan holmes
Do you know why the cameraman wasn't there?
Couldn't afford to pay a because you haven't bought a network.
dan friesen
Millie's weirdo husband, Gavin, couldn't come along.
jordan holmes
If you had signed up for auto ship, we would have gotten all of this good shit on video, but because you didn't, we're going to conjecture about it in a way that maybe supports exactly what we already wanted to say.
dan friesen
Maybe.
So I believe this is the clip of the actual question being asked.
Pay very close attention.
millie weaver
Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broderick all came out with sexual allegations against Bill Clinton decades ago.
They originated this idea of coming out against someone who's powerful, but they came out before these other women came out against Harvey Weinstein.
Now, why were they excluded from the hashtag Me Too movement?
dan friesen
So very quick import.
jordan holmes
Because they weren't fucking, yeah.
dan friesen
Her response was, who said they were excluded?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is a fair question.
Here's Millie's response.
millie weaver
They were not included in the Time Magazine article.
dan friesen
I would say ask Time Magazine about that.
That's an editorial issue.
jordan holmes
It seems like the Me Too movement wasn't in control of what the Time Magazine people are.
dan friesen
Editors of Time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is a misdirected question.
You're angry about something and you're clear.
Like, it's clear what you're doing.
This isn't about a sincere question.
millie weaver
Article.
None of the women were interviewed.
Are you worried at all that the hashtag Me Too movement may become too partisan and be used as a political weapon?
alex jones
Pause real quick.
Hang it up for a minute.
They're saying, who did you vote for?
So the whole point is, they're making it partisan.
The woman marches over, starts trying to take the microphone.
I want to point out, you went up, you asked the question, they gave you the microphone, you did this the proper way.
dan friesen
So this is where that, like, accusing your enemy of doing what you're doing is happening in real time.
And this is why it's so easy, is because it's so murky.
And it's really easy to bait someone into a situation like this.
It's very easy for this collection of people who are just having a meeting about sexual assault to be painted as liberal or pro-left-leaning by someone who is there specifically antagonizing for the right in order to push them in that direction.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's so partisan.
Are you worried that the Me Too movement is becoming too partisan, Dan?
What if the Me Too movement doesn't vote for the guy who is relaxing protections that women need even more?
Why would you think that they aren't as valuable in the Me Too movement?
Is there any reason why the Me Too movement might be against the guy who is making the Me Too movement his enemy?
Is there any possible reason?
It's partisanship, Dan.
It's clearly partisanship.
It's not part of the very stated fucking objective of the group to fight against assholes who commit sexual assault.
dan friesen
Well, she works for InfoWars, and she's coming in to ask a clearly partisan question in order to paint partisanship on the group.
And I mean, if I were to wargame this, I know the reason is because some of the most valid criticisms and very sincere issues about Trump are related to sexual assault stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Some of the most.
jordan holmes
Do you mean all the sexually assaulting that he did?
The fact that he raped his wife?
Yeah.
Might have something to do with that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The fact that our president is a fucking rapist.
dan friesen
No, but doing this is deflection of that.
It's in service of that.
They don't care about this for any other reason than that.
This is just a set piece in order to work towards that sort of defense.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Oh, this is out of control.
It's rampant liberalism run amok.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
He's university.
dan friesen
So Tarana Burke, when she's interacting with Millie, it goes on, and she's like, well, I mean, if you want to talk about even earlier stuff, we've got to talk about Anita Hill.
And the crowd claps.
And Alex in the studio is like, oh, what?
He just asked her out.
Yeah, great.
Great.
And then he's like, if you want to talk about this stuff, what about Roy Moore?
jordan holmes
He was a patriot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, what about the governor of Missouri?
Don't worry about that.
dan friesen
But so what Alex.
How Alex responds to that is like, all they can do is throw back Republican examples.
unidentified
I'm like, that's the fucking!
dan friesen
No, but who cares about that?
That is what your bit was.
Yeah.
Millie did.
jordan holmes
Pointing out examples where it was Democrats who did it.
dan friesen
When you came in, the accusation that you made was about people from a specific party.
And you can't be mad that that is the rebuttal.
jordan holmes
Why can't you put it fucking together that it has nothing to do with party?
And anytime you give a dude power, he's going to fucking abuse it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That is what's going.
Not everybody.
dan friesen
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
No, I don't even care.
dan friesen
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
If you give a dude power, there's a super huge chance he's going to abuse it directed towards women because he's going to get away with that shit.
dan friesen
I'm sure Louis C.K. was a very liberal dude.
He seemed to be pretty liberal.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sure he voted for every liberal position.
dan friesen
He called Donald Rumsfeld a lizard on the Opi and Anthony show.
jordan holmes
Well, Donald Rumsfeld actually is a lizard.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
That is a non-partisan issue.
That's an anti-lizer issue.
dan friesen
You know what I mean?
Politics has nothing to do with it.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And this is just disgraceful.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
It's an abuse of power.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
I'm talking about Millie's behavior.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, it's all disgraceful.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're not.
There's no winner here.
dan friesen
I'm talking about the propaganda.
unidentified
Yeah.
Also, Prop Dude tweeted or put in the chat room.
dan friesen
Mark Dice was skulking in the bushes with a petition.
First of all, that's super funny for the image, but then secondarily really funny because I haven't seen Mark Dice in a while.
unidentified
Oh, I do wonder what he's doing.
jordan holmes
What's the Mark Dice man up there?
dan friesen
Some real bad street man pieces.
jordan holmes
Too many.
Dice.
Dice.
We're going to have to let you go.
It turns out you're really bad at this job.
dan friesen
Anybody who has not listened to tons of episodes of this podcast, I must restate, go on YouTube and just type in Mark Dice bloopers.
It is not to be believed.
It's the craziest stuff you've ever seen in your life.
It's the least funny shit in the world.
So at this point, Millie brings it.
She's doing her.
We've heard her ask her question, and she gets thrown out.
And someone, it's unclear because the camera work is really bad.
She just has a phone doing it.
It's either someone grabs the phone or it's made to look like she's being pushed.
unidentified
She probably just shakes it really hard and like, get out of that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Because I've seen so many of those external views of Mike Cernovich acting like he's being assaulted and it's just three people standing behind him and being like, she was flopping like the Champions League.
jordan holmes
She was going to town.
dan friesen
She's like the rock taking a stunner.
She's just flopping all over the place.
jordan holmes
So here's where she was.
I think that's that is kind of a crystallization of my philosophy on how you should respond to these people is don't don't bother.
Like, there shouldn't have been a response to that.
There shouldn't have been like, well, what about Roy Moore?
There doesn't need to be a what about.
There needs to be a buy.
No.
dan friesen
That was a live.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But that's the in front of a live crowd kind of thing.
You know, you know that as a comedian.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
You don't want to show ass in front of a crowd.
unidentified
No, of course.
dan friesen
When someone's asking a question, sometimes your mind will go to just like, oh, this is a good point.
When do you think the best case thing?
jordan holmes
You're talking to like my philosophy with Heckler.
Like, I don't want a Jordan comedian that destroys Heckler.
I want like Jordan is like, come to a wonderful agreement with a heckler about how life should be, and then he moves on with the show.
Like, that's my situation there.
I'm not a headline in the video.
dan friesen
Jordan builds up Heckler.
Yeah.
Jordan helps Heckler actualize.
I would not get as many clicks.
jordan holmes
No, probably not.
dan friesen
So at this point, so I've cut out a bit of stuff, but there's a point where Millie is like, hey, sorry, the feed cut out because someone grabbed the phone.
jordan holmes
Oh, that feedback.
dan friesen
Which is a convenient way for her to edit.
And so here's where she runs into the protest.
millie weaver
They want to get really rude and nasty when I ask them questions about the women that came out against Bill Clinton for rape.
That's Swanny DeBroderick, Kathleen Willie, Paula Jones.
We've all heard the stories.
They don't want to hear about that.
They don't want to hear about how, you know, these women that came out against Bill Clinton were accosted and oppressed by Hillary Clinton.
What is this?
unidentified
I'm literally walking out here, guys, and all of a sudden there's a protest.
However, we threat, wherever we go, yes, means yes, there's no means no.
dan friesen
So here's what.
jordan holmes
Seems like you can't really disagree with that.
dan friesen
Here's what happened.
After the speech, there was a march.
She has edited it selectively to make it seem like she gets walked out.
And then what's this?
jordan holmes
What's this?
dan friesen
I guarantee there's like an hour of her sitting around waiting for the march to get going so she could create this.
jordan holmes
She's got a lawn chair waiting for the parade.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And so when the march comes.
jordan holmes
I bet that march threw candy out.
dan friesen
When the march comes by her, people start flipping her off, which is, I mean, that's the cost you play.
That's the cost to play the game.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And a couple people who are marching did fuck up because they engaged.
In the same way you're saying, like, just let's.
jordan holmes
She goes, eh, fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's what you should do.
But they came over and were telling her, like, why can't we just have a peaceful thing?
Right.
And the way that Millie plays it with the video is that the girl who's telling her, why can't we have a peaceful thing? is about the march, which would be crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the way she presents it is this march just happened out of nowhere, and all of a sudden they come up to her and are like, hey, we're defensive about our march when Millie hasn't said anything.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
When clearly it's referring to earlier, maybe an hour earlier, when all those people who were marching were inside at the speech and they saw her antagonistically ask a question that wasn't a question, it was an accusation.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then leave while people were like, what?
unidentified
Fuck.
What are you doing?
dan friesen
Why are you asking?
Come on.
jordan holmes
It's such a disappointment.
It's so disappointing.
dan friesen
It's not a disappointment.
It's a trust.
It's delightful for me because the propaganda is so fucking thin.
jordan holmes
It's weak.
dan friesen
It's so obvious to see through.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
People get tricked by this.
jordan holmes
But they can't see through it.
It's a foregone conclusion, which is the whole point that I make: to Millie Weaver, if you can't recognize that these people are trying to not make just their lives better, but your life better as well.
Why did 57% of white women vote for Trump?
Like that kind of bullshit.
Like, if you're doing this, if you can't recognize, if you're living in a right-to-work state and you're against unions, they're actively making your life better.
dan friesen
But those dudes, man, those dudes.
jordan holmes
Oh, those dudes.
Boo.
You know what the problem with union labor is they don't work hard.
Sure.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
Yeah.
Oh, speaking of which, really exciting.
That last episode of the dollop this week got into something we covered.
Oh, yeah?
I think this is one of the first times we've beat them to half a story.
Okay.
Because it got into the Chinese Exclusion Act.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
dan friesen
Talked about in the endgame cover.
jordan holmes
Yeah, suck it, Dave Anthony.
dan friesen
Oh, no, but the reason that I thought about that was because of the obviously union stuff.
I don't know.
Who cares?
Anyway, we beat them to the Chinese exclusion stand.
I don't know why I'm petty about that.
jordan holmes
I think there's a lot of reasons why you're petty about that.
dan friesen
No, I'm not.
Great show.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
Listen to every episode.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex implies that the protest that Millie Weaver walked into happened just because Millie was there.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, it's always the same tactics.
She's 20 feet away videotaping a protest coming by that was there in case there was a counter protest.
They call in the Praetorian Guard right on cue.
They start marching up.
You're going to see that they know Millie's there.
They've been activated to come out of the parking garage.
And then they come over and say, why can't we just be peaceful?
And then the assaults start.
Why can't you be peaceful?
Why don't you get out of here?
And that's what they are.
And then they'll link arms how to run you over.
They do the same training.
These are authoritarians.
Let's continue.
dan friesen
Let's.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that people have protests just in case there's a counter protest.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
The way he kept talking was troubling because he's like, they got activated from a garage.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So that's to say that all of these people were waiting in a garage, and because Millie Weaver was there, they're like, oh, fuck.
Millie got a flight to Ohio.
We thought that she could live in Austin.
jordan holmes
We have been preparing for Millie Weaver to come to Ohio for so long.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And the moment she does, we're ready for it.
dan friesen
They never saw it coming, but because they're so scared, they had them waiting in the garage.
Oh, every single time there is a speech anywhere around the country.
They're just waiting in that garage for Soros to get on the.
He's got a sidekick.
alex jones
He chirps them.
jordan holmes
He's got a sidekick.
dan friesen
He chirps them on the sidewalk.
jordan holmes
He chirps them.
Okay.
dan friesen
Hey, get out of the garage.
Get out of the garage.
We got a Millie Weaver siding.
jordan holmes
Naturally, he starts it with, what's up?
Because, of course.
dan friesen
Or he has code, like, just gets on the sidekick.
Then it's time to go.
Right?
Get out of the fucking garage.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
This is like, this is desperate.
This is so sad because it's very clear.
If you watch it, the whole video, you can.
It's there.
It's very.
I mean, you know what?
Here's something that I keep struggling with.
Like, I'm dismissive of this stuff because I did watch it.
And, like, I know that this is edited and very fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, I don't want us to get into the same position that we get into, or that Alex gets into, where it's like, hey, you can check it out yourself.
You know, like, I don't want to discourage people from actually checking.
jordan holmes
Right.
You can.
That's a good point.
I respect that.
dan friesen
It's a weird line to walk.
I will tell you, it's boring in the same way that reading a lot of these books that he references, it's boring.
Right.
You can read things.
I don't know.
It's a tough position for me to be in.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the hard part is we are coming from a place of, please, please go read this stuff because you should absolutely cross-check.
Like, we're going to be wrong eventually.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we have been wrong.
dan friesen
We've made apologies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course.
And it's very much like a situation of please, please cross-check us because we want to know when we're wrong.
That's something that's really important to us.
dan friesen
Also, thank you, Mary Jailer.
We appreciate it very much.
You gave a little cheer.
I don't know how this Twitch shit works in terms of like kids with your Twitching.
It seems very nice, and I appreciate it.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
We are old.
What are you?
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
You Snapchatting on the Twitch?
What's happening?
What's happening?
dan friesen
We should do this show on Snapchat.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's a thing.
dan friesen
Can you do that?
I don't have Snapchat.
Just seems like a place where people solicit nudes.
I really don't know what's going on there.
As much as I love nudes, I should know about it.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
That's a great sentence.
That's a great sentence.
As much as I love nudes, I should know about Snapchat.
dan friesen
But technology has left me behind.
jordan holmes
You poor bastard.
unidentified
Anyway.
jordan holmes
You'll never get those nudes.
dan friesen
In summation with the Millie stuff, we have a situation where it's very clear that you have an actor in the part of Millie.
I don't mean actor like she's a crisis actor or anything.
unidentified
An actor.
jordan holmes
One who acts.
Yeah, yeah.
She's hamming it up.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying she is the antagonist of this.
She is the one who is doing the acting in the action.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
She goes, and she has bad faith.
jordan holmes
She's the antagonist.
Yes.
dan friesen
She goes specifically in order to create some sort of response in this meeting that was existing totally fine without her being there.
Right.
And knows that what you need to do is you need to get some footage.
Alex needs to fucking buffer the show.
The Sandy Hook shit is going on.
He needs help.
He needs to fill time.
Doesn't want to talk about that for half an hour.
And so she does by accusing me of being too political by bringing politics into it and then staging this idea that there's a protest that materializes out of nowhere because she's there.
And to me, that's an invalidation.
jordan holmes
It's like in the movie Inception, whenever you start to threaten the dream, all of the dream people start to attack you.
dan friesen
But that's a rhetorical invalidation of the right to congregate and the right to protest.
jordan holmes
You don't have the right to protest if you disagree with conservative positions, Dan.
That's fucking autocracy.
That's authoritarian.
dan friesen
I'm looking over at the chat room and Sharks wants to know our view on the gays.
Big fan.
jordan holmes
What?
That's a weird way of putting that, Dan.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Big fans.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're great.
jordan holmes
All for it.
dan friesen
Everyone's great.
jordan holmes
my point about Millie I gotta not look at the chat anymore I gotta not look at the chat If we maintain so many liberal positions and yet somehow were against gay marriage, that would be bananas.
dan friesen
Or even like not even gay marriage.
jordan holmes
I think it's unnatural against God.
dan friesen
Ask me.
jordan holmes
Okay.
How do you feel about homosexuals?
dan friesen
I don't believe it exists.
jordan holmes
We're the most liberal Saudi Arabians there are.
Not a thing.
Look, socialism is correct.
I think trans people should have absolute protection and most hate crimes.
Oh, that bullshit about the bathroom build?
Also, no gays.
But that bullshit about the bathroom build, no gays.
But for real, you should be allowed to identify as whatever it is you want.
dan friesen
Also, skin color says something about your character.
That's a phrenology.
You know what?
jordan holmes
Phrenology?
Not debunking.
dan friesen
You know what?
We might have accidentally stumbled into a really good sketch bit that would never work because we can't write sketches.
Right.
Like, good characters.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Super progressive on the new stuff.
jordan holmes
Super progressive.
dan friesen
But way behind on the old stuff.
Like, all the stuff that has already, like, all those battles have already been fought.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Just like, nah, nah, I think racism is a real thing.
I think that stuff's real.
But at the same time, I think the trans rights thing.
jordan holmes
That's the inverse of that Drew Michael bit about conservatives going so far conservative with their hatred of Jews that they wind up advocating for progressive policies.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I fear that we've gone too far based on this Twitch comment.
I need to stop looking at the chair right now.
So Millie Weaver shit's done.
It's embarrassing.
It's bad.
jordan holmes
As is her want.
dan friesen
At this point, Alex gets a call from his boy, Zach, his fake intelligence source.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Space Command.
dan friesen
He very clearly has to say.
jordan holmes
You know what?
The MeToo movement is against space.
Space.
dan friesen
Hate it.
jordan holmes
Hate Mars.
dan friesen
So last we heard from Zach was on the Friday show where Alex turned on Trump.
And Zach was backing him up on that, saying it was fucked up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And also saying that this was a war for Mars.
They're trying to get us back onto the planet.
unidentified
They're not trying to let us go to the space.
dan friesen
Everyone's trying to fight for Mars and the moon and what have you.
jordan holmes
So I assume he's taking his principled stance and he's bringing it back another week later in order to make sure that Alex Jones is held accountable.
dan friesen
See, your bit is good, and I appreciate that, but you jumped the gun because I wanted to say other shitty things about Zach.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Also, the last time we saw him on that Friday, he did not know who the Joint Chief of Staff was.
jordan holmes
Not a good idea.
dan friesen
He thought that McMaster had not been fired.
jordan holmes
Still thought it was Rumsfeld.
dan friesen
He thought that possibly McMaster was the joint chief of staff when he was the national security advisor.
All of those things should be something that the high-level intelligence source should know.
It's kind of invalidating that he doesn't know those things.
jordan holmes
It kind of seems like it would be his literal job to know.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the other reason I know that Zach is fake as fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Besides all the stuff he says.
Alex ends the interview with Millie Weaver by saying, like, I'm going to get to Zach.
He's only got a couple minutes.
He's in a rush.
And then in the middle of Zach's interview, he goes to commercial.
He blows hard for about two minutes about things he's mad about while Zach's waiting on hold.
And then he does a read for a product while Zach is waiting on hold.
So the idea that your high-level intelligence source is coming in and he's got information that you've got to get to on a short time frame.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
You've done three things to kill time while he's waiting on gold.
It leads me to believe you don't take him all that seriously.
jordan holmes
He's got to jump on Mark Richard's plane.
dan friesen
We actually do find out where he's got to go.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
And Aldi?
Dude, it's so fucked up because it's like, I don't believe any of this.
He ends the call with like, I know you're on your lunch break.
jordan holmes
It's a lunch break.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, by federal law, you do have to give people a 30-minute lunch break.
dan friesen
But I feel like high-level intelligence people probably work on a little bit more of a swinging schedule than people who are like, if you're not back at your desk, it's 30-minute you're getting written up.
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
I would assume.
Maybe high-level intelligence people get a little bit of leeway.
Look, you put in late nights if you're in high-level intelligence.
dan friesen
Yeah, you got to.
But that's so fucking stupid.
That leads me to believe that, like, okay, so what?
All right.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Where are you going?
dan friesen
I was about to make a lost reference, and I didn't realize.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're a guy.
dan friesen
Okay.
Anyway.
All right.
In an early season, Locke is.
jordan holmes
I was about to do it.
And now I'm going to do it.
dan friesen
Locke role plays as a general.
Okay.
And there's a whole situation where he works at an office.
jordan holmes
Like a Dungeons and Dragons game.
dan friesen
He works at a low-level situation in an office.
Anyway, guys.
jordan holmes
You are so reluctant, and yet you still want to get it out.
dan friesen
Here's a great idea.
One of the new possible rewards is we'll just do a podcast about lost for a week.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
No, not for a week.
We do the whole series.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Once a week.
jordan holmes
There's already plenty of podcasts that do that.
dan friesen
But not done by us.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
I know a lot about lost.
jordan holmes
I don't want to know anything about lost.
dan friesen
There is the fun.
jordan holmes
Fair.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Chime in at our Facebook group.
Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant if you want us to do that.
Horrible idea.
jordan holmes
Go home and tell Locke you're brilliant.
dan friesen
Anyway, yeah.
I feel like what we have here is a situation where Zach works a day job of some sort, and he did need to get back to his desk.
And he had this time that he could make a call to Alex.
jordan holmes
And here we go.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the only thing that he wants to do is sort of reinforce Alex's narratives.
He's already doubled back in the same way that Alex has doubled back from the Trump is fucking us over into like, oh no, new narratives.
jordan holmes
Secret super patriot.
dan friesen
It's mysterious how this high-level intelligence guy seems to blow in the wind the exact same way that Alex does.
jordan holmes
It's a lovely coincidence for Alex.
dan friesen
Probably just because Alex is so in touch with things.
Anyway, here's what he wants to say.
zach
And the plan is, this is it, folks.
I don't know if anybody's looking into this, but this is definitely the plan.
Nikki Haley is looking to run in 2020 with Mike Pinch.
They're hoping that during this raid, and they have probable cause here, if they go after this wish hunt, to actually impeach Donald Trump, if they could pull it off.
And they're planning internally for Donald Trump to be impeached and Nikki Haley and Mike Pinch to run on that 2020 ticket.
You could guarantee that.
alex jones
And notice Saturday Night Live and all of them for months are acting like Pinch is perfect.
He's the guy.
And the guidelines are today that Haley and Pinch are trying to line it up behind the scenes.
Very, very wicked behavior.
If true.
unidentified
Absolutely true.
alex jones
If true.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
zach
And very dangerous behavior.
alex jones
I mean, listen.
Well, notice how the media always says Pinch is perfect and Pence could do a wrong and he navigated it perfectly.
jordan holmes
They're notoriously anti-gay.
alex jones
As soon as he slushes Trump, he better not be stupid.
jordan holmes
Notoriously pro-gay conversion therapy, Mike Pence.
The media gives him such a pass.
dan friesen
Alex, to your question of whether I've noticed the media saying that Pence can do no wrong, hard no.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hard no.
Yeah.
I have not experienced that.
jordan holmes
Also, I don't, well, one, we've never had a vice president for a sitting president campaign with a challenger in the primary for that president.
alex jones
That would be weird.
jordan holmes
That would be banana.
dan friesen
No, because the way they're presenting it is that Trump would get impeached.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So then Nikki Haley would become president?
dan friesen
Vice president, I guess, because Pence would become president.
It kind of seems like 2020.
jordan holmes
It would be Haley Pence.
dan friesen
Pence Haley.
Did he slop it?
jordan holmes
I think he kind of is implying that Haley is running for president with Pence as her vice president.
dan friesen
But he's also saying they're going to get Trump impeached, and that would mean that Pence would already be president.
There's no fucking way, regardless of what you think about any of these people, there's no fucking way that you end up with an impeached president so the vice president becomes president.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Then two years later, there's an election and the president, who has been the president for two years, because of the impeached president, is like, I got to go back to vice president.
I like it.
jordan holmes
I got to go.
Yeah.
Well, to be honest, I bet he would like it better.
dan friesen
Sure, but that doesn't play.
jordan holmes
Pence has such a cushy gig right now.
dan friesen
Right, but that doesn't play.
jordan holmes
No, it makes no sense.
It would be.
Look, in the chaotic, dark timeline that we live in, that would be the best.
That's the only logical outcome to our weird-ass world we live in.
dan friesen
I am currently the president, and I am campaigning for a lesser role.
jordan holmes
So it doesn't count as a term for me.
So I'm going to campaign with Nikki Haley as her vice president.
She's going to serve two terms.
Then I'm going to campaign with Paul Ryan as his vice president.
Okay, here's a good question.
How many terms can you be vice president?
dan friesen
I think, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is that a thing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's a really interesting question that I've never considered.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think it's a good question.
jordan holmes
Can you just be vice president forever?
dan friesen
I think everyone's kind of just like, man, who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
I'm super interested in that.
I want that now.
dan friesen
Look, vice president for life?
jordan holmes
But yeah, Grover Cleveland serving two non-consecutive terms.
That's fantastic.
But Mike Pence being vice president for life, I don't even know how to deal with that.
dan friesen
Now is the time that you get to do some research and take a seat.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So at this point.
jordan holmes
I know a lot about vice presidencies.
dan friesen
I don't know anything about it.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
So at this point, Zach leaves.
Because of course he does.
He's done with his lunch break, and he's got to get back to the data entry that he does for a living.
Right.
And so Alex finally is left without any more guests.
Millie Weaver is gone.
Doesn't have Sabo, the great street artist anymore.
And so he's finally got to get to Sandy Hook.
He's got to talk about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And so here is his position.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
I learned that they know I'm so truthful, and the globalists respect me so much.
And I'm not saying that as a power trip.
I've only learned this recently.
That they believe everything I say.
dan friesen
Sure, great.
alex jones
And I'm right most of the time.
I'm wrong sometimes.
jordan holmes
All the time.
alex jones
But the whole Sandy Hook secret is this.
jordan holmes
2017.
alex jones
And I'll go ahead and say it all on air.
The whole truth is nothing but the truth.
They thought because I backed off saying I didn't think all of Sandy Hook was real.
I never said they were all crisis actors.
I never said nobody, you know, died.
I said I could see how people believe that.
jordan holmes
70-30.
alex jones
Because people have been lied to so much, but they edited those tapes together.
But if I thought really it was all stage, nobody died, I'd say it.
dan friesen
You did.
jordan holmes
You did.
So we have you on tape a lot.
dan friesen
2015.
I can pull up the entire list here if you give me just a second.
So I was caught with my pants down a little unawares.
So all that's bullshit.
Everything he's saying is bullshit.
Everything he's saying is bullshit.
jordan holmes
I feel like he needs to have a disclaimer of like, now I'm going to tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
My lawyers strongly advised me not to do this.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Or they didn't because they love the billable hours.
dan friesen
So on January 13th, 2015, if you go to knowledgefight.com, we do have a link up to this.
You could find the entire episode of his show on video.
But again, we've played this clip a number of times, but it just bears repeating.
He got a call.
This is on January 13th, 2015.
This is what he said.
unidentified
But what I'm curious about is, do you think that there's a new level of sophistication with a lot of these false flags where they plant a couple of pieces of flimsy evidence that get everybody talking and steer them in the wrong direction?
alex jones
So like, to make it to make decipher cloak and dagger dirty tricks, it's pretty hard to do.
It's just that then you learn that they were funded by Western funding.
Then you learn that it was the same Amaralaki Connection underwear bomber.
Then those are big red flags that they were patchy provocateurs.
The classic MO has been followed.
And then, yeah, it kind of becomes a red herring, you know, to say the whole thing was staged because they have staged events before, but then you learn the school had been closed and reopened, and you got video of the kids going in circles in and out of the building, and they don't call the rescue choppers for two hours, and then they tear the building down and seal it, and they get caught using blue screens, and an email by Bloomberg comes out in the lawsuit where he's telling his people,
get ready in the next 24 hours to capitalize on a shooting.
Yeah, so Sandy Hook is a synthetic, completely fake with actors, in my view, manufactured.
I couldn't believe it at first.
I knew they had actors there, clearly, but I thought they killed some real kids.
And it just shows how bold they are that they clearly used actors.
dan friesen
So that's clear.
That is what you said.
jordan holmes
Excuse me.
dan friesen
And that was your position consistently for a very long time.
And I'm sorry about the audio being much higher on that.
jordan holmes
He still is, just refuses to say it as directly.
dan friesen
Right.
So when it first came out that he got sued by Sandy Hook families, I thought, well, this is tough because of the time frame of it.
He did most of his brutal work long ago.
And a lot of the stuff that he's done in the last year or two, which is within the statute of limitations for defamation claims, is much more insinuation-based.
And I've come to the position where I don't really understand the law.
So I don't know.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I don't know.
This could go either way.
But it is really sad the situation for everyone.
And it's real sad the narrative that he's spinning because it's all lies.
There, in that clip, he said he didn't say that there was actors.
If he believed that, he would say it.
He did say it consistently.
You said it over and over again.
And now in this next clip from the 18th and present day, he says this.
alex jones
So about a year after, I started saying, you know, I can see how you think nobody died, but you know what?
I think it happened.
And I'm not going to sit there and look at parents and say that it didn't.
dan friesen
So he's saying a year after the shooting.
Shooting happened in December of 2012.
So that would have been 2013.
That's at least a year and a couple months after, I'm sorry, before the clip that we just played.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
School shootings happen.
Are the Democrats seizing on it, blaming the Second Amendment?
You bet.
And everybody's heard me that's been listening since then.
A lot of you have been listening for five years, some of you 20 years, but most of you have been listening just for a year or so.
You've heard me, what, every week?
They got articles saying I say nobody died, and they've always got new ones.
Jones just said nobody died last week, and they'll show some edited three-year-old clip or four-year-old clip from 2017.
So I get what happened.
They saw me kind of entertain it.
jordan holmes
Didn't.
alex jones
It was viral all over the internet.
Hundreds of millions of views just on our videos discussing it.
unidentified
Nah.
alex jones
YouTube deleted them.
And then I started saying, you know, I think people died there because I was getting threatened by people that said nobody died and saying I was involved.
And I went, this is a little bit schizophrenic.
And so Paul, who I really trust, and who's just as smart as ever smarter, he said, you got to get away from this.
Don't even entertain it.
They're nuts.
Don't even have debates.
I went and told my crew.
I said, I don't tell you what to do most of the time, but I said, just stay away from the Sandy Hook.
This is like four years ago.
jordan holmes
My lawyers strongly advised.
alex jones
And the media saw that and they went, he's weak.
They think I'm like a sociopath like them that I tell the truth.
And so they went, oh, we got him.
Jones is saying it happened and stopped saying it didn't.
He backed off.
We got him.
He admits he's wrong.
dan friesen
So he's saying that four years ago, he went to his staff and told them to stop looking into Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
When was the last time Mr. Pieczenik said that it was like two weeks ago?
Yeah, I was going to say.
dan friesen
I know.
He's done that over and over again.
But like four years ago, we're looking at April 2018 now, so that would be April 2014.
This to me was a complete to me was an affront to honesty.
Yeah.
Because we did a long investigation of 2015 and we saw a bunch of stuff.
Like there was a school shooting at a college in Oregon.
And on the October 20th, 2015 show, Alex said this.
alex jones
Also, was Oregon a false flag like Newtown?
dan friesen
He's saying specifically that Newtown was a false flag in order to bolster his narrative about Oregon being a false flag.
Do you know what he's saying?
No, no, no, no.
Wait for this.
So he told his staff to not look into Newtown and not look into Sandy Hook four years ago, which makes it very difficult to understand how this happened.
alex jones
But now, your uncle, John Dew, Navy SEAL, retired FBI agent, works for a successful security company.
I had missed this episode of the nightly news back on June 4th.
And then again, last week when you did an update.
And then I heard you talking about it yesterday.
I knew that we'd sent our reporter Dan Badandi there for days to cover the city council hearings about it.
dan friesen
He had sent a reporter to Newtown in July of 2015 in order to cover hearings about it in order to juice up it being a false flag.
If he had told his staff not to cover it in 2014, why is he sending someone in 2015?
And at that event, or when Dan Badandi was out there, he ran into Rob Dew's uncle, which we covered back in the 2015 investigation.
And Rob Dew's uncle didn't say anything that was suspicious.
He just said, I've never seen anything like this.
This is weird.
That sort of thing.
But that doesn't stop Alex from trying to get Rob Dew to manufacture a quote about it.
rob dew
He wasn't saying a lot, but he's like, you know, Robert, this is strange.
I've never seen anything like it.
Never seen anything like it.
And he's been in court cases.
It's not like his first time.
alex jones
He also said it doesn't add up.
rob dew
Oh, yeah.
Well, yeah, nothing adds up.
It adds up.
alex jones
Oh, is this exact quote?
Because I want to put up an article.
rob dew
I would say take that from there.
alex jones
Sure, but let me explain something.
You're a reporter.
You're a news director.
This is your uncle.
It's incredible for you to quote somebody.
Go back to the memory.
What did he say?
rob dew
I'll think about the exact words, but from what I remember, because I was in the car driving while I was talking to him.
I had an earpiece.
Because I wanted to get something out of him before we did, because we did the show that night that day on the 4th, and I wanted to talk about it.
I said, hey, I've got this short interview with you, and you're saying it's strange it doesn't add up.
He's like, I've never been in a court proceeding like that ever, where people don't know anything.
dan friesen
That quote that he's given could very easily be rationalized as being like, I've never been in a court proceeding that was about 20 murdered elementary school kids.
This is, I mean, this is embarrassing.
Like, this level of lying about what you have done in the past as a journalist, in quotes, as a newsman, it indicates that you're covering something up.
jordan holmes
You know what's brutal?
rob dew
It's brutal as well.
jordan holmes
No, that wouldn't be admissible in court.
dan friesen
No, I mean, based on the defamation.
From what I understand.
But again, I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not entirely sure if they can't be used as background.
I'm not entirely sure.
But when you lie to this level, you're lying for a reason.
You're covering something up, and it's that you know you did this shit.
So anyway, we should be prepared for this emotionally already.
But you know what this is about.
This is how he closes it.
This is how he closes his discussion about his Sandy Hook position.
alex jones
So it's a whole thing by the Justice Department, by the Clintons, by the globalists, to kind of re-kick all this off.
dan friesen
Okay, this is in present day.
This is from the 2018 episode.
alex jones
And that's what this all is.
We can't call Alex racist.
That doesn't work.
Can't call him a Russian.
That thing's falling apart.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
We'll just say he's mean to the victims of a mass shooting.
jordan holmes
He is.
alex jones
And they said that.
You saw him a few months ago about what happened in Florida, and they tried to get me kicked off the air with that.
Didn't work because it wasn't true.
dan friesen
To be fair, you had Mike Adams on repeatedly, a guy who created a website specifically to bully a victim of that shooting because who disagreed with his politics.
Also, you lied a whole bunch about his timeline, pretended that you had evidence that he wasn't at the school because you were misrepresenting comments that he made about getting on his bike after school in the evening to go back to the school.
So fuck you.
You don't have any leg to stand on here.
unidentified
Fuck you.
alex jones
So they're back again, now recycling what I didn't really say from five years ago because they think you're stupid.
But AP got it right.
No, you think they.
That actually quoted me saying, you know, that Jones for years has says he did think it happened and that he'd love to have the parents on and discuss and have a real discussion about guns, blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
So blah, blah, blah.
AP got it right.
I'm going to go to this AP article right about now.
So this is an AP article, Sandy Hook parents family file suit against Alex Jones.
What he's referencing is Jones responded to the allegations in a YouTube video saying the families are being used by the Democratic Party and the news media, and he believes Sandy Hook quote really happened.
Jones invited parents who lost their children onto the show to have a real discussion about guns.
He said he believes the lawsuits will be thrown out.
That's not them saying that you actually are right.
They're just reporting what you said.
They didn't get it right.
They're just reporting on your response because it's a news organization.
alex jones
And then it goes into what AP said that the lawyers said I said, which isn't even in the suit, which isn't even what I did.
So that's what this is, just trying to try me in the court of public opinion.
Here's the deal.
I'm going to go on to the end, as Churchill said, whatever the cost may be.
And we've got record traffic.
We have got people buying a lot of product.
unidentified
So I'm going to say.
alex jones
And the way it squares up and looks, we're going to be able to beat these suits, get them thrown out.
We're just having to get a war room together, in-house counsel, so I don't have to worry about it.
And we just move on.
We've got to counter-sue all the people, obviously, for the anti-slapback provisions.
And we already filed one of those last week in D.C. I'm doing what I said I'd do because we've got to let people know when they do these, we've got to hit them back so that obviously we stop it.
And there's going to be more coming.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
And if they can get us, they're going to use it as the precedent.
All these other media cowards that want to stay out of this, you're going to destroy yourselves by staying out of it.
I want to thank everybody that has stood with us, and I appreciate the audience, Drudge Report, my family, the great crew we've got.
Thank you all.
Speaking of that, we've got some of the biggest sales.
unidentified
God damn.
jordan holmes
I didn't even see that one coming.
dan friesen
God damn it, Dan.
jordan holmes
I legitimately did not see that one coming.
unidentified
Fuck.
dan friesen
I even set it up that we should all be emotionally prepared.
I wasn't.
jordan holmes
I was emotionally prepared for him to lie.
I wasn't emotionally prepared for him to pivot into an ad.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
That's what it's all about, baby.
jordan holmes
Still gets me.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
Still fucking gets me.
dan friesen
It's pretty impressive.
jordan holmes
Fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, you're a liar.
You might not be able to be punished for it, but go fuck yourself.
So this brings us to the end of the episode.
I really think that the most important thing that we covered on this, which is not as glamorous or interesting as a lot of this other stuff, is that Sabo admitted on air that he had advance notice of the Al Franken situation, which matches up perfectly with the timeline that Roger Stone had, and they both have connections to InfoWars.
So anyway, I got a pee again, so we got to wrap this up.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
If you want to check out us, we are at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can follow us on Twitter at KnowledgeUnderscore Fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook, Dan.
You could follow us or find us or subscribe to us on the iTunes.
dan friesen
That's true.
You can do that.
Also, we have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant on Facebook where you can tell us what you think our next incentive should be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We appreciate any suggestions and all your donations.
You make this possible and we really appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Dan, I got the last one, and it was, according to you, very petty.
So I suppose that means that it is your turn today.
dan friesen
I shall say, Millie Weaver, go fuck yourself.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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